| 00:11.20 | airtonix | bleeter: karl_w_w breastfeeding is the gateway drug |
| 00:15.51 | airtonix | is any other of the quassel users here having problems deleting channels with large history from their client? |
| 00:21.09 | Amarande | I still need to try quassel sometime |
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| 00:21.55 | Amarande | maybe in the far distant future when I don't PC game anymore, or only play games that I can run with dosbox and/or SteamOS, heh |
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| 00:25.11 | airtonix | quassel runs on all operating systems |
| 00:25.46 | airtonix | the q is for qt |
| 00:30.14 | pompy1 | whats the uassel then?/ |
| 00:33.17 | Semlar | /tar neffi |
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| 00:52.04 | Primer | screen, irssi, then I connect whatever IRC client I want to it...done |
| 00:52.19 | Primer | and in a pinch, irssi itself is also an IRC client, running under screen on my VPS |
| 00:52.39 | airtonix | i was of course joking |
| 00:54.15 | Neffi_ | Semlar: you have a creepy knack for knowing when I wake up |
| 00:55.50 | Primer | You don't say |
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| 01:00.24 | Amarande | Hrm ... pop, pop, hiss, hiss, oh what a relief it is that I didn't get an S4, apparently. LOL |
| 01:02.27 | Semlar | neffiiiii |
| 01:02.55 | Neffi_ | hi |
| 01:02.59 | Semlar | herro |
| 01:03.11 | Neffi_ | i no feel gud |
| 01:03.26 | Semlar | why |
| 01:03.35 | Neffi_ | i has sinus infection |
| 01:03.46 | Neffi_ | and a job interview tomorrow morning =( |
| 01:04.06 | Semlar | can i come? |
| 01:04.33 | Neffi_ | sure |
| 01:04.40 | Neffi_ | bring cookies and painkillers |
| 01:04.59 | Semlar | i swear to god if they change how the raid browser works before tomorrow i'm going to cry |
| 01:05.18 | airtonix | Neffi_: i just had one over google hangouts |
| 01:05.20 | Semlar | i'm kind of relying on it being bugged |
| 01:05.34 | Neffi_ | Semlar: why? |
| 01:05.35 | Amarande | Semlar: you'll get it done just before maintenance and then it'll be broken afterwards, probably :) |
| 01:05.43 | Semlar | probably |
| 01:05.53 | Neffi_ | airtonix: Yeah I'm not applying for no high tech shit |
| 01:05.59 | Neffi_ | Gonna be selling business loans |
| 01:06.13 | airtonix | sounds riveting |
| 01:06.18 | Neffi_ | yup |
| 01:06.23 | Amarande | ah, the fun of getting to be a dream squasher? |
| 01:06.32 | airtonix | well no |
| 01:06.39 | Amarande | "sorry man, but I can tell your business will never be able to compete with (megacorp) and you'll probably never pay this loan back, denied" |
| 01:06.57 | Neffi_ | my brother's about 90% sure he's pulling in $10,000 by Christmas. Definitely upwards of $4,000 worst case. He started a month ago. |
| 01:07.00 | Neffi_ | I want this job |
| 01:07.02 | airtonix | reality distribution officer |
| 01:07.14 | Semlar | neffi do you have the ptr |
| 01:07.21 | Neffi_ | i dont have wow anymore |
| 01:07.26 | Semlar | why do you hate me |
| 01:07.36 | Neffi_ | bcuz u crush my dreams of love |
| 01:07.45 | Semlar | is that so wrong? |
| 01:08.06 | Neffi_ | yes! |
| 01:08.30 | Semlar | but it feels so right |
| 01:08.39 | Neffi_ | >_> |
| 01:10.52 | Amarande | Guys, Netherstorm on Moon Guard is that way ---> :) |
| 01:11.26 | Semlar | moonguard is unfortunately in my battlegroup |
| 01:11.38 | Amarande | heh, someday I am tempted to roll a character on moon guard just to see if it's really as bad as people claim it is |
| 01:11.44 | Amarande | hrmm |
| 01:11.45 | Semlar | much worse |
| 01:11.57 | Amarande | or maybe not, mostly because Moon Guard tends to be full a lot of the time, apparently |
| 01:12.23 | Semlar | granted my trade chat is probably just as bad |
| 01:12.34 | Amarande | speaking of that ... is it known exactly what the maximum number of people who can be logged onto a realm at once is? |
| 01:13.17 | Amarande | e.g., the wow population stats site says there's like 140,000 characters on illidan, but I'm assuming that's not all logged on at the same time |
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| 01:16.18 | Semlar | well, we crashed magtheridon trying to raid the alliance with 3 or 4 full 40 mans |
| 01:16.57 | Semlar | but that was back in BC |
| 01:18.42 | Amarande | and apparently, that many people in a small space tends to result in the server going supernova, anyway |
| 01:18.46 | Amarande | viz. AQ gates opening event :P |
| 01:19.05 | Amarande | it must have been epic to be there |
| 01:19.17 | Amarande | "c'mon, c'mon, epic event, epic ev... You have been disconnected from the server" |
| 01:19.19 | Semlar | epically laggy |
| 01:19.32 | Amarande | Reminds me of the Bonus Bonus in Rise of the Triad :) |
| 01:21.14 | TC-Work | It's a balmy 56 and people are acting like it is the end of the world. |
| 01:21.20 | TC-Work | Californians... |
| 01:23.36 | Neffi_ | so warm? |
| 01:26.35 | kd3 | cripes... this is knowing your job (and inertia) completely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08K_aEajzNA |
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| 01:31.19 | jleclanche | Firefox is really terrible at font rendering |
| 01:31.21 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/_3M3mHFLJ1O3.png |
| 01:31.39 | jleclanche | chrome/fx comparison with small fonts |
| 01:32.01 | Semlar | nope |
| 01:33.36 | Semlar | chrome has more issues with font rendering |
| 01:34.11 | Neffi_ | 4513251132143254 |
| 01:34.23 | jleclanche | Semlar: such as? |
| 01:34.29 | Stanzilla | depends on your OS |
| 01:34.30 | jleclanche | because i only see one immediate issue |
| 01:34.34 | jleclanche | linux obviously |
| 01:34.53 | Stanzilla | yeah it's fine on windows for example |
| 01:34.55 | Arrowmaster | i finally got a hearthstone beta key |
| 01:35.08 | Stanzilla | gz Arrowmaster |
| 01:35.22 | Arrowmaster | now ill have to get it working in wine/crossover |
| 01:36.39 | jleclanche | Semlar: i havent seen any issues with font rendering in chrome; and theres this shit in firefox |
| 01:36.52 | jleclanche | i couldnt put my finger on it until now but every website was ugly |
| 01:37.04 | jleclanche | and its non-obvious because its not like it's not aa'd |
| 01:37.10 | Stanzilla | I think you just mixed up your browsers, jleclanche |
| 01:37.14 | Stanzilla | or your statement changed |
| 01:37.16 | Stanzilla | or I'm tired |
| 01:37.19 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better i haven't had any issues in firefox and there are known issues with font rendering in chrome |
| 01:37.29 | jleclanche | Semlar: did you click that screenshot? |
| 01:37.42 | Neffi_ | Known issues? Chrome's font rendering looks quite good. |
| 01:38.25 | Stanzilla | "02:34:26 ∙ Stanzilla: depends on your OS" |
| 01:38.36 | jleclanche | [01:34:34] <jleclanche> linux obviously |
| 01:38.52 | Stanzilla | that wasn't for you, jerome |
| 01:38.56 | Neffi_ | Its font performance is admirable on Windows too |
| 01:39.23 | Neffi_ | Better than pre-Chromium Opera, and IME better than Firefox |
| 01:39.48 | Stanzilla | tried chrome with directwrite on windows, yet? |
| 01:40.06 | Neffi_ | i dont know? |
| 01:40.22 | Stanzilla | it's in dev |
| 01:40.52 | Neffi_ | I use stable because sanity > bleeding edge unfinished features |
| 01:41.43 | jleclanche | Stanzilla: so you're mentioning "known issues"... in dev? |
| 01:41.49 | jleclanche | in a feature not enabled on stable? |
| 01:41.51 | jleclanche | like, really? |
| 01:41.58 | Stanzilla | I'm not? |
| 01:42.03 | Neffi_ | Yeah, it's kind of unreasonable to complain about any flaws in a product that's not finished yet |
| 01:42.07 | jleclanche | Oh right that was Semlar |
| 01:42.14 | Semlar | um no |
| 01:42.19 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 01:42.21 | jleclanche | <Semlar> chrome has more issues with font rendering |
| 01:42.33 | jleclanche | im still waiting on a single one |
| 01:42.44 | Semlar | oh did you want me to get you some links |
| 01:42.47 | Neffi_ | Chrome probably does have known issues. It doesnt mean they present themselves in most use cases. |
| 01:43.00 | Stanzilla | https://db.tt/KKjgGeUd < chrome vs fx |
| 01:43.02 | Semlar | i'm not fucking google |
| 01:43.03 | Stanzilla | both with directwrite |
| 01:43.07 | Stanzilla | looks almost the same |
| 01:43.40 | Semlar | chrome had issues displaying (ironically) google web fonts, i have no idea if it's been fixed yet |
| 01:43.42 | jleclanche | Semlar: "chrome has known issues with font rendering" is about as useful as "there are known bugs" |
| 01:44.25 | Semlar | https://www.google.com/#q=issues+with+chrome+font+rendering |
| 01:44.39 | jleclanche | https://www.google.com/#q=issues+with+firefox+font+rendering |
| 01:44.42 | jleclanche | your point? |
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| 01:45.16 | jleclanche | ive presented a comparison shot of fx and chrome and complained about a live, existing issue which id like to figure out |
| 01:45.48 | Neffi_ | Looking at his demo in particular, Semlar, this issue has been fixed |
| 01:45.58 | Neffi_ | Because I'm using stable and my results don't agree with his. It looks fine. |
| 01:46.26 | jleclanche | i dont get it |
| 01:46.27 | jleclanche | https://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-notes.html |
| 01:46.36 | jleclanche | this page is serif on chrome, sans-serif on fx |
| 01:47.03 | kd3 | what's the default font in each browser? |
| 01:47.13 | jleclanche | they're identical |
| 01:47.22 | jleclanche | liberation sans for sans, liberation serif for serif |
| 01:47.32 | jleclanche | also, the header is sans-serif in chrome, its serif in fx |
| 01:47.35 | jleclanche | the hell |
| 01:48.01 | kd3 | the header's sans-serif here... |
| 01:48.04 | Semlar | headers are sans serif and text is serif'd in windoze firefox |
| 01:48.16 | jleclanche | yeah this is all wrong on my setup |
| 01:48.37 | Neffi_ | what Semlar said in Chrome/Windows too |
| 01:48.42 | Neffi_ | it's definitely your setupo |
| 01:48.45 | kd3 | in fact, it'd have to be... h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 { font-family: sans-serif; } |
| 01:49.06 | jleclanche | no i see it in the inspector.. css says serif, firefox uses sans serif |
| 01:49.10 | jleclanche | and the other way around for the header |
| 01:50.01 | kd3 | are you sure you've got your fonts set up properly? |
| 01:50.11 | jleclanche | Im quite sure I dont since this is an issue |
| 01:50.21 | airtonix | Stanzilla: can you provide a full resolution image of: https://db.tt/KKjgGeUd |
| 01:50.30 | airtonix | i can't even read the text |
| 01:50.41 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 01:50.44 | Stanzilla | pressed the wrong button |
| 01:51.14 | jleclanche | ok WTF |
| 01:51.21 | jleclanche | its using Nimbus Sans L Regular |
| 01:51.28 | jleclanche | Used as: "Nimbus Sans L" |
| 01:51.35 | airtonix | is it some kind of usability issue? or is it just some hipster i love apple shit? |
| 01:51.54 | airtonix | "apple didn't invent it, therefore it has issues" |
| 01:52.31 | Stanzilla | airtonix: F5 |
| 01:53.15 | airtonix | can you point out what i'm looking for ? |
| 01:53.34 | Stanzilla | you aren't looking for anything. it's just a comparison pic |
| 01:54.17 | airtonix | i'm sure where i see font rendering issues |
| 01:54.21 | airtonix | i'm not* |
| 01:55.01 | airtonix | or was that you're point... there are none |
| 01:55.53 | Stanzilla | i was just showcasing directwrite, not bugs |
| 01:58.11 | jleclanche | /usr/share/fonts/Type1/n019003l.pfb: Nimbus Sans L:style=Regular |
| 01:58.12 | jleclanche | fuck |
| 01:58.24 | jleclanche | I am so sick of these shitty-ass fonts I cant get rid of |
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| 01:59.21 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/O9OcCSLt9p94 firefox didnt like me uninstalling that |
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| 02:01.18 | jleclanche | Ahh this is so much better |
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| 02:09.39 | airtonix | "American Chopper": Synopsis. Father and son helicopter pilots run a business together. Some scripted drama occurs and they start rival companies. Also stars an alcoholic son who doesn't do anything. |
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| 02:21.08 | Primer | Except, no? |
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| 02:27.33 | airtonix | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnz9siBi2x1qizbpto1_500.gif |
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| 03:24.29 | Neffi_ | Semlar: u ratchet? |
| 03:26.51 | Neffi | wait, wtf |
| 03:27.09 | Neffi | Why am I banned on #archlinux? |
| 03:36.39 | Arrowmaster | kd3, jleclanche: bnet launcher installer is failing because i dont have a library installed, know which ones it needs? |
| 03:37.15 | Torhal | Neffi: You probably insulted someone over caffeine. |
| 03:37.25 | Neffi | haha |
| 03:37.42 | Neffi | Nah it was a net hiccup. I reconnected as Neffi_ and the channel bans non-registered users. |
| 03:37.58 | pompy | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1882856-frigid-weather-causes-gatorade-to-freeze-in-cowboys-bears-game insane lol |
| 03:38.02 | kd3 | arrow, base wine? |
| 03:39.05 | Arrowmaster | cxoffice --debug is telling me i dont have libcapi20.so.3 libgphoto2.so.2 libhal.so.1 liblber-2.4.so.2 liblcms2.so.2 libldap_r-2.4.so.2 libOSMesa.so.6 libsane.so.1 libv4l1.so.0 |
| 03:39.50 | Arrowmaster | yes im using crossover 13.0.1 instead of wine |
| 03:40.17 | kd3 | you don't need hal, sane or v4l, but the rest are probably important |
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| 03:42.03 | Arrowmaster | kd3: --debug gives a description of what they are used for too http://paste.debian.net/70077/ |
| 03:42.56 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/spike-vgx-2013-awkward-moments/ fail |
| 03:43.47 | kd3 | oh, in that list, the biggest thing I see is the crypto/ssl stuff |
| 03:44.16 | kd3 | the main reason why it crashes in base wine is crypto based |
| 03:44.39 | Arrowmaster | those are looking for multiple versions then it finds one |
| 03:45.08 | kd3 | then I dunno. cxo does stuff a bit differently than wine. they may not have picked up the patch in http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33947 yet |
| 03:45.58 | Arrowmaster | cxo has a 'crosstie' that does the install and dll override config automatically, comments say if it crashes you are missing a lib but not which one |
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| 03:48.39 | Arrowmaster | trying now with everything but sane and v4l |
| 03:48.46 | Arrowmaster | and it works |
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| 03:51.38 | Arrowmaster | kd3: and hearthstone is now installing |
| 03:51.55 | kd3 | yah. once you can get bnet working you shouldn't really have issues with hearthstone |
| 03:52.41 | Arrowmaster | damnit why do they have to be doing maintenance tomorrow, i actually have part of the morning off to goto a doctors appointment |
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| 05:01.27 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: from your experience so far, what's the difference between wine and cxo? |
| 05:02.38 | karl_w_w | Unleash the Hounds has been reworked and now reads: “(4) For each enemy minion, summon a 1/1 Hound with Charge”. <- hahah epic nerf time, love it |
| 05:04.13 | airtonix | lawl "wait i can show you" /zip "oomgg is that all for one person? wtf"... "wait your robot, why do you even need that?" |
| 05:04.24 | Amarande | karl: Magic? |
| 05:05.07 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: that's one advantage that LOTRO has over the other two MMOs I play, heh |
| 05:05.23 | karl_w_w | just like magic |
| 05:05.53 | Amarande | I tend to get Tuesdays off a lot ... WoW and SW:TOR both do maintenance on Tuesdays, but LOTRO does theirs on Mondays |
| 05:07.40 | karl_w_w | you play those things? n00b |
| 05:08.44 | airtonix | you noob those things? |
| 05:09.15 | karl_w_w | nah I noob other things |
| 05:10.01 | airtonix | like ya mum? |
| 05:10.03 | Amarande | what's wrong with lotro and sw:tor? |
| 05:10.12 | Amarande | besides the fact that LOTRO is almost too easy since Helm's Deep came out :S |
| 05:11.14 | Amarande | but then, I really haven't done all that much, mostly on a very low level character (where you expect things to be at least relatively easy) |
| 05:11.16 | karl_w_w | all 3 are crappy! |
| 05:11.37 | Amarande | and on a higher level character whose story progression is such that she's doing teal quests atm (which are basically the equivalent to green quests in WoW) |
| 05:12.48 | Amarande | SW:TOR on the other hand though ... is not really all that easy, they still have extensive world group content (and grouping IS important there btw, I've had grey group quests be painful to solo sometimes depending on class ...) and I don't think I've seen mobs in either other MMO that have anything quite as mean and nasty and painful as Terminate |
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| 05:13.37 | Amarande | (Terminate = ranged physical skill, knockdown stuns you AND at-level it takes off like freaking half your HP in one shot, and the only saving grace is that it's interruptible, if you happen to have an interrupt you can use at the range you're fighting at :P) |
| 05:14.24 | Arrowmaster | airtonix: cxo has great bottle management features |
| 05:14.27 | Amarande | the only shot type skill I remember in other games off the top of my head that's used by trash that's as painful is that slayer shot thing the hunters use in sunwell |
| 05:14.35 | Amarande | and at least those are raid trash, not solo enemies ... |
| 05:14.51 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: how so? |
| 05:15.02 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: bottles == wineprefixes? |
| 05:15.09 | Arrowmaster | wine defaults to running everything in a single prefix by default right? |
| 05:15.29 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: not when you use winetricks prefix=prefixname |
| 05:15.40 | kd3 | to a point. tools like winetricks try to put things in separate wineprefixes |
| 05:15.42 | Arrowmaster | and last time i used wine even when you ran an installer in a prefix the shortcuts it created didnt run it in that prefix |
| 05:15.49 | kd3 | that's been fixed |
| 05:15.54 | Arrowmaster | good |
| 05:15.58 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: https://gist.github.com/airtonix/6146333 |
| 05:16.00 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:16.05 | kd3 | (everything I run is in its own prefix) |
| 05:16.17 | Amarande | WINE: With Insanity, No Exceptions? :) |
| 05:16.32 | Arrowmaster | in cxo everything must run in a named prefix and it has an excellent replacement for winetricks |
| 05:16.34 | airtonix | Amarande: umadbro? |
| 05:17.01 | Amarande | airtonix: I'm remembering only too well the last time I used wine and found its care and feeding to be rather delicate, heh |
| 05:17.14 | Arrowmaster | good builtin editor letting you choose what start menu shortcuts end up in your menus too |
| 05:17.18 | airtonix | when was that? five years ago? |
| 05:17.22 | Amarande | probably didn't help that I was paranoid and tried to avoid a systemic install of wine, too |
| 05:17.35 | Arrowmaster | kd3: what about file associations and prefixes? is that fixed |
| 05:17.43 | airtonix | yes |
| 05:17.45 | kd3 | ^ |
| 05:17.59 | airtonix | there's also vineyard and vineyard-indicator |
| 05:18.01 | Amarande | (mostly because I get the impression that if you do a systemic install of wine, you practically have to buy a Windows AV to go with it :S) |
| 05:18.07 | airtonix | great wine prefix gui manager |
| 05:18.18 | Arrowmaster | didnt know about that one |
| 05:18.26 | Arrowmaster | only one i knew of was playonlinux |
| 05:18.28 | airtonix | Amarande: wine still only runs as the user |
| 05:18.34 | Amarande | and one thing I especially love about linux is the lack of *need* for an av |
| 05:18.48 | Amarande | actually, that may even be one of the reasons why I perceive Linux as such a superior performer to Windows |
| 05:19.13 | Arrowmaster | well only remotely decent one i should say, i knew others existed but they werent ready for prime time last time i used wine |
| 05:19.29 | Amarande | I'm not sure how much it actually is ... a lot may actually be the fact that on Windows, you usually lose time on every program execution (and a lot of file opens) because of the time for the AV to do its realtime heuristic vetting |
| 05:20.04 | Arrowmaster | also a reason i use cxo instead of wine is that im lazy so this way i dont have to compile wine, but if i end up having to wait on patches to be applied i could end up doing that |
| 05:20.20 | Dagmar | Linux has had a proactive approach to security for a very long time |
| 05:20.26 | airtonix | isn't that what play on linux is for Arrowmaster? |
| 05:20.29 | kd3 | meh, I've kept up with git for some time, so compiling my own doesn't bother me |
| 05:21.00 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that's pretty much what I mean, on Linux you don't need AV so when you run a program, you run a program and that's it :) |
| 05:21.14 | airtonix | Amarande: there are other things that make it faster |
| 05:21.23 | airtonix | lack of directx for one |
| 05:21.25 | Amarande | on Windows, you run a program? you also have the AV tagging along taking CPU time poking around every code-containing file that's being opened |
| 05:21.34 | Arrowmaster | i just dont want to setup the buildenv (i dont like filling my main system up with dev packages) so until i do that i try to avoid it |
| 05:21.36 | Amarande | and you skip out on the AV at your peril :p |
| 05:21.47 | Dagmar | I don't even fuck with scanning |
| 05:21.48 | Amarande | even though there IS that guy at Dragon Con who insists you shouldn't use an antivirus |
| 05:21.55 | Dagmar | I just use a whitelister |
| 05:22.01 | Amarande | (there's an actual panel at D*Con on a regular basis that is about exactly that) |
| 05:22.11 | Dagmar | If a binary *changes* or *changes behaviour*, it tells me |
| 05:22.21 | Dagmar | Kills the problem dead. |
| 05:22.31 | airtonix | what whitelister? |
| 05:22.32 | Amarande | Dagmar: only one problem with that, and we both know it well since we play them |
| 05:22.37 | Dagmar | Comodo has a whitelister |
| 05:23.05 | Amarande | namely, MMORPGs |
| 05:23.19 | Dagmar | YOu have essentially the same risk as with a normal scanner, 1% of the overhead |
| 05:23.29 | Arrowmaster | i think MSE completely stopped working on my dads XP desktop |
| 05:23.30 | Amarande | they change their binaries regularly, and due to the anti-cheat systems used in online games, a lot of them are also quite likely to scan false positive too :| |
| 05:23.43 | Arrowmaster | did they completely kill off MSE? |
| 05:23.46 | Amarande | actually at one point I was pretty glad for SW:TOR's repair feature |
| 05:23.47 | bleeter | so people, they ask me 'Just how good is your home city compared to the rest of Australia' http://www.news.com.au/travel/every-australian-city-is-boring-except-epic-hobart-heres-why/story-e6frfq7r-1226779843264 |
| 05:23.49 | Dagmar | Yeah well, I wouldn't be putting top secret shit on a machine in the same place I trust another oraganization to be able to update files |
| 05:24.11 | Amarande | either defender or malwarebytes managed to mangle the .exe thinking it was malware, presumably due to anti-cheat scanning features being seen as info-theft code |
| 05:24.22 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: it got rolled into Windows Defender in 8.x |
| 05:24.31 | Dagmar | ...but you can just *whitelist* things like punkbuster. It's down to who you trust there anyway |
| 05:24.54 | Arrowmaster | well this desktop is still on xp and is now announcing its running without av |
| 05:24.57 | Amarande | heh, punkbuster is the one anti-cheat system I tend to detest the most, and I try to avoid it entirely when possible |
| 05:25.02 | Amarande | (unless SW:TOR uses it but I don't think they do) |
| 05:25.29 | Amarande | mostly, because of the utterly cavalier, unapologetic attitude Ev(en/il) Balance has |
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| 05:26.00 | Amarande | basically, Evil Balance pretty much feels that gamers don't deserve security, you're all a bunch of punks who need to be monitored by the prison guards :P |
| 05:26.26 | Amarande | at least Blizzard and Valve are pretty civil with Warden and VAC respectively |
| 05:26.35 | Amarande | as long as you don't try to ask Valve to overturn a VAC ban anyway :P |
| 05:27.14 | Amarande | Even Balance? They pretty much feel like if you care about security, then you should care to spend another $500-$1,000 on a non-gaming box to do anything you care about security on :S |
| 05:28.20 | Amarande | I don't know if they actually take and save any more info than Valve or Blizzard do (especially Valve, since they're pretty damn tight lipped about what VAC looks at), but they certainly don't put forth a good service image |
| 05:29.11 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: oh dear. you realise in April your system is going to let the demons of hell in and the end of the world will all be your fault :D |
| 05:29.53 | Arrowmaster | i might just buy him a chromebook, that way he cant get it infected looking at porn |
| 05:30.11 | Amarande | heh, or just install linux onit |
| 05:30.28 | Amarande | since 99.999% of active malware is designed for Windows and won't run on Linux |
| 05:31.20 | Amarande | (and usually the tiny little bit of malware that does run on linux tends to be rootkitty type stuff that's planted by an active intruder, rather than the usual web browser infection vectors seen in Windows right?) |
| 05:31.21 | airtonix | why you gotta go an let that secret out? |
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| 05:32.02 | Amarande | btw, speaking of linux and wine and such |
| 05:32.17 | Amarande | is SteamOS going to include Wine, or is it only going to run the relatively small handful of Linux native games that Steam presently offers? |
| 05:33.36 | Dagmar | Not much reason it can't run wine |
| 05:34.32 | airtonix | it would be awesome if it absorbed playonlinux recipe approach |
| 05:35.15 | Arrowmaster | their plan seems to be to have streaming tech so you can run windows only games from a windows pc running steam and have it displayed on a steamos machine |
| 05:35.34 | Amarande | ... but you have to use the windows machine's keyboard and mouse, I presume |
| 05:36.27 | airtonix | i wonder what kind of advantage they will present to promote making linux games over windows games |
| 05:36.52 | A-KO | "steam box" |
| 05:36.56 | Amarande | so, why would you want to stream it over to another computer :S |
| 05:37.18 | Dagmar | It could be argued that they could just use WINE for a lot of this simply because the licence requirement is pretty easily solved by shipping the source out on the units themselves |
| 05:37.32 | Amarande | the only scenario I can even think of is if you're playing on a laptop in a room with a big screen TV |
| 05:37.42 | Amarande | otherwise, you probably already have a nice enough monitor and don't need to broadcast the game to another computer |
| 05:37.47 | airtonix | they want you to use a controller |
| 05:38.12 | Dagmar | The objective of any patches being to *get the games to run* there is very little way a competitor could really hurt them by replicating that... if Steam remains the easiest to deal with vendor |
| 05:38.42 | Dagmar | not much reason to try to evade the LGPL |
| 05:39.28 | Dagmar | The vast majority of the work is already being done by people other than Steam at no cost to them anyuway |
| 05:39.58 | Amarande | airtonix: but if you're streaming the game, you have to use the source computer's controlling devices |
| 05:40.12 | Amarande | the controller or whatnot on the target steamos box is irrelevant |
| 05:40.37 | Amarande | unless it's somehow also streaming controls from the steambox over to the windows computer, and I don't know how well games would support that anyway |
| 05:40.40 | airtonix | i don't know if you connect the steam controller to the computer or the box |
| 05:41.08 | Amarande | (probably that would cause all kinds of chaos because cheat detector klaxons would be going off left and right thinking you were botting the games) |
| 05:41.45 | Amarande | airtonix: it would have to be the computer |
| 05:41.51 | Dagmar | I think that only applies when you're trying to use it as a glorified remote display |
| 05:41.53 | Amarande | because you're playing the game ON the computer, the steambox is simply displaying it |
| 05:44.08 | Dagmar | The advantage here is that they are very gently throwing away problems caused by Little Timmy's off-brand protocype video card that he's cooling with a hand fan by just selling an acceptable and limited amount of hardware on which they _know_ Linux behaves on. |
| 05:45.57 | Dagmar | Vendors who want in will either ensure their shit runs stably with SteamOS, or they won't be selling many parts to Valve |
| 05:47.22 | Dagmar | ...but knowing Steam has a massive installation base and a lot of them are likely to just say "Okay, fuck it. That hardware works." and buy from Valve is a pretty powerful incentive to play ball |
| 05:48.35 | bleeter | the box will be a great boon for hotels, inhouse entertainment systems etc. |
| 05:48.45 | bleeter | box AND os, that is |
| 05:48.56 | Dagmar | ...and hardware is getting _fucking cheap_ |
| 05:48.59 | Amarande | heh, off-brand prototype video card |
| 05:49.10 | Amarande | too bad Little Timmy doesn't live in the Star Wars universe |
| 05:49.20 | airtonix | why |
| 05:49.26 | Dagmar | I'm over here playing 1080p video over wireless on a box the size of a pack of gum that runs off USB current |
| 05:49.30 | Dagmar | $40 |
| 05:49.36 | airtonix | is worshipping brands illegal there Amarande? |
| 05:49.47 | Amarande | airtonix: at least according to SW:TOR, 'prototype' items are *better* |
| 05:50.24 | Amarande | like the regular version of something is green, the "prototype" versions are blue (and sometimes purple though that's properly "artifact" grade), and appropriately rare or epic statted :) |
| 05:50.53 | Dagmar | Yeah but how many times do you run into shit where like, this specific model of ATI chipset sold by vendor X, or EVGA's first board release turns out to require "special attention" to stop the box from spontaneously rebooting under load |
| 05:51.07 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 05:51.23 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever been fortunate enough to actually obtain a new tier of GPU close to release :S |
| 05:51.31 | Dagmar | They're the minority case of problems, but the majority case of pain in the ass |
| 05:51.43 | Amarande | except perhaps the 7900 GT, and yeah, I can see your point there :P |
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| 05:52.01 | bleeter | My ancient UPS has decided it doesn't like my 'new' GTX760 video card particularly when it folds proteins :( |
| 05:52.33 | Dagmar | bleeter: I now budget for those 12v7v batteries |
| 05:52.37 | Amarande | The BFG Tech 7900 GT I got turned out to be about as stable as nitrogen-13 or so, and apparently because of an auxiliary chip overheating issue common to the early 7900 GT models |
| 05:52.44 | Amarande | bleeter: you need moar powar |
| 05:52.58 | airtonix | bleeter: or simulates the hadron collidor? |
| 05:53.02 | Fisker | tackles tharper |
| 05:53.05 | Amarande | btw, whatever happened to BFG Tech |
| 05:53.10 | tharper | miss meh? |
| 05:53.12 | Amarande | I don't think I've seen any graphics cards from them for a few generations now |
| 05:53.14 | Fisker | sure :3 |
| 05:53.21 | bleeter | tharper: who are you again? ;) :P |
| 05:53.22 | Dagmar | Proably got bought |
| 05:53.34 | Dagmar | ...or fucked up enough times they went under |
| 05:53.42 | Dagmar | ...or maybe they decided to stop selling to roundeyes |
| 05:53.49 | tharper | bleeter: no one of consequence when it comes to this channel :P' |
| 05:54.00 | Fisker | aww :( |
| 05:54.11 | tharper | Fisker: What? It's true :D |
| 05:54.42 | bleeter | tharper: probably the best way to be, cobber ;) |
| 05:54.43 | tharper | All of my purposes in this channel are offtopic, hehe |
| 05:54.44 | Fisker | Your abscence would trigger a new depression |
| 05:54.46 | Fisker | :P |
| 05:55.00 | Dagmar | Looks like they liquidated and sold off their lines of business |
| 05:55.09 | bleeter | I can only imagine what a PITA it'd be to be someone of consequence here. No offence, Cairenn, dolby, etc. etc. etc. |
| 05:55.13 | Amarande | ah, apparently BFG Tech went under in 2010 |
| 05:55.35 | tharper | can ask his fiancé |
| 05:55.41 | Dagmar | Well, kinda makes sense since they were betting heavily on overdriving hardware |
| 05:58.14 | Cairenn | None taken |
| 05:59.31 | airtonix | :> |
| 05:59.37 | Amarande | yeah, but they mostly dealt in GPUs, for which overclocking is almost a standard feature anyway if you want to be taken seriously as a manufacturer |
| 05:59.46 | Amarande | maybe they died of crappy power supplies :S |
| 05:59.59 | Dagmar | They got a lot of competition in that space |
| 06:00.15 | Fisker | What does it take to offend you then Cairenn? |
| 06:00.16 | Amarande | let's put it this way, how often do you ever see a video card that actually runs at nVidia or AMD stock clocks by default :) |
| 06:00.41 | Cairenn | You guys know, they've been triggered a few times. Luckily, though, only a few. :) |
| 06:01.03 | Fisker | :P |
| 06:01.49 | bleeter | tackle hugs Cairenn |
| 06:02.04 | Cairenn | hugs bleeter |
| 06:02.05 | Fisker | Redundant bleeter |
| 06:02.07 | Amarande | mind you, stock clocks are laughably conservative, anyways |
| 06:02.32 | Amarande | like this HD 7850, I'm running it at 940 MHz and I could probably max it out without hitting the TJ max |
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| 06:03.04 | Amarande | though I wouldn't be surprised if they're set that low precisely because of that |
| 06:03.26 | Amarande | as in, if they actually set the stock clock anywhere near what the GPUs are actually able to do, they'd probably have it backfire with "(GPU) sucks, you can barely OC it at all" :) |
| 06:04.01 | Dagmar | There's where it becomes a numbers game |
| 06:04.13 | Dagmar | Overclocking reduces hardware lifetime |
| 06:04.31 | Dagmar | You're basically betting you can guess at a profitable return rate better than the manufacturer |
| 06:04.57 | Dagmar | ...except, _they_ designed the hardware, so they're probably going to know it a bit better |
| 06:05.59 | Amarande | speaking of "sucks you can barely OC it" apparently that's becoming a problem with CPUs again now :| |
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| 06:07.16 | Amarande | apparently Haswell CPUs are terrible at OCing, and AMD APUs aren't that great either |
| 06:07.45 | bleeter | I like this crew getting around giving crap to bitcoin miners (tldr) 'in the time you mined (x) bitcoins, you could've folded (y) proteins and helped medical research instead of being a selfish prick' |
| 06:08.01 | Amarande | Hopefully AMD didn't shoot themselves in their last foot by moving to APUs only :| |
| 06:08.14 | bleeter | (sort of on the subject of GPU overclocking) |
| 06:08.48 | Amarande | bleeter: well, in their defence, GPU based bitcoin mining is apparently a fairly silly effort now |
| 06:09.07 | Amarande | although I wouldn't be surprised if it's a more profitable use of electricity than, say, buying a Mega Millions ticket nowadays |
| 06:09.22 | Amarande | *eff* Mega Millions. they made the chance of winning even *more* stupidly remote recently |
| 06:12.11 | Amarande | anyway AMD decided to end of life FX CPUs, pretty much the overclocker's best friend :( |
| 06:12.29 | Amarande | and the APUs don't OC nearly so well, and that's about half the point to *getting* AMD to begin with |
| 06:25.58 | bleeter | Amarande: yeah that's the tl;dr. fabbing custom kit for bitcoin mining over protein folding is even more cringeworthy |
| 06:26.43 | bleeter | I do like that recent quote from the former head of the Dutch Central Bank about bitcoin, iirc 'This is worse than tulip mania. At least then, you got a tulip' |
| 06:29.50 | bleeter | "For countries like Australia that use dates in format dd/mm/yy, on Wed morn the time will be 8:09:10 11/12/13" |
| 06:30.28 | Amarande | You mean for those amazing Wednesday mornings that fall on Tuesday? :) |
| 06:30.40 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 06:30.58 | Amarande | oh, wait, that one I got wrong |
| 06:30.59 | Dagmar | i've had some of those |
| 06:31.06 | Amarande | I forgot it's after midnight here and the date changed heh |
| 06:31.12 | Amarande | thinking the 10th was monday :P |
| 06:31.22 | Amarande | btw, happy 20th Anniversary, DOOM |
| 06:31.41 | bleeter | wait is that today? |
| 06:31.57 | Amarande | bleeter: yup, DOOM came out 10 December 1993 |
| 06:32.14 | Dagmar | It was magical |
| 06:32.39 | Iriel | that it was |
| 06:33.47 | Amarande | and it's probably the reason we can play games as we know it now, too |
| 06:34.59 | bleeter | nah |
| 06:35.06 | bleeter | something DOOM like was inevitable |
| 06:35.39 | bleeter | it's like messing with time streams, at least the theory. sure, you can go back in time and stop columbus from discovering the americas, but around that time... it would've happened anyway |
| 06:35.55 | bleeter | so you'd end up with Colombia having a diff name, diff people on US currency, but the big picture the same |
| 06:36.16 | bleeter | a game such as DOOM! was inevitable at the time. |
| 06:36.36 | bleeter | this is not in any way to detract from the author's achievements, mind you. just simple basic evolution crud |
| 06:37.04 | bleeter | and no, you can't play 'spot the person who'se been re-watching COSMOS before the new version is released! :P ) |
| 06:39.24 | bleeter | advertising fail! http://instagram.com/p/huxKJTLRCl |
| 06:39.26 | airtonix | sleepy hollow just dropped a "aint nobody go time for that" as a product placement for vine |
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| 06:46.52 | Mr_Rabies | nothing wrong with the occasional buttburger |
| 06:58.33 | bleeter | speak for yourself, weirdo! |
| 07:10.22 | bleeter | HAHAHAHA https://twitter.com/RupertMurdochPR/status/410303196611891200 MY SIDES |
| 07:12.05 | Fisker | tries to contain bleeter's sides |
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| 08:29.15 | airtonix | thanks tony |
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| 08:52.46 | airtonix | sean bean strikes again: https://plus.google.com/115085184426068393700/posts/j2QqYYju7St |
| 08:53.34 | airtonix | it feels it's influenced by cloud atlas |
| 08:53.46 | airtonix | apart from being the same producers |
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| 09:25.20 | karl_w_w | that was awesome bleeter |
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| 10:06.51 | airtonix | come on karl_w_w. |
| 10:07.06 | airtonix | entertain me |
| 10:07.53 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61une0e-hq4 ? |
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| 10:24.12 | airtonix | thanks |
| 10:26.17 | airtonix | lol 800ft powerslide |
| 10:34.51 | karl_w_w | what you can't do that irl? |
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| 11:26.11 | airtonix | beach i go miles |
| 11:26.11 | Maldivia | hmm, wow patch |
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| 12:00.17 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/1sie2e/encyclop%C3%A6dia_moronica_o_is_for_obvious_solutions/ |
| 12:00.19 | bluspacecow | LOL |
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| 12:27.05 | bluspacecow | http://llnw.blizzard.com/wow-pod-retail/NA/15890.direct/wow-17658-24824EC7C75FC793D2E702D8A94AE6D8.mfil |
| 12:31.51 | Sintacks | what about it |
| 12:32.44 | bluspacecow | patch files are up :P |
| 12:32.48 | bluspacecow | *noms sintacks* |
| 12:32.55 | bluspacecow | i have a dog |
| 12:32.58 | bluspacecow | hot dog |
| 12:33.01 | Sintacks | eats it |
| 12:33.03 | bluspacecow | you wanna eat my dog ? |
| 12:33.16 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 12:33.18 | bluspacecow | yay! |
| 12:34.37 | Sintacks | wait what |
| 12:34.46 | Sintacks | "players are now able to place raid markers in the world even while dead." |
| 12:34.50 | Sintacks | TOOK YOU FUCKING LONG ENOUGH |
| 12:35.10 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 12:35.23 | Sintacks | no. now i can still mark on malk if i die |
| 12:36.46 | zenzio | come on, be honest... you want to mark your corpse so they can easily find and rezz you |
| 12:37.26 | zenzio | I was sad that no-one ever picked up on me setting a raid marker on Supremus |
| 12:37.45 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:38.00 | Sintacks | dafuq is a supremus |
| 12:40.05 | zenzio | http://wowpedia.org/Supremus |
| 12:40.12 | zenzio | he was a little large |
| 12:43.05 | bluspacecow | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M7ernGoaa95lbP-E_PKmn0cG0Ma0sKaVfk36TizcmKM/edit |
| 12:43.41 | nevcairiel | the patch is so tiny, why even bother |
| 12:44.20 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 12:44.29 | bluspacecow | yr mum is tiny |
| 12:44.37 | Sintacks | just the way you like her |
| 12:44.46 | bluspacecow | she's so cute |
| 12:47.20 | Sintacks | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout | 4,782 tributes to Monty Python |
| 12:47.45 | bluspacecow | but she is :( |
| 12:47.50 | bluspacecow | all tiny and all |
| 12:47.54 | bluspacecow | like a little pot plant |
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| 13:15.24 | VIad1 | Skype promotes it being business friendly, but why not have the ability to have multiple identities? For example I wish to be on Skype but for some group of people appear as myself, but for another group of people I'd prefer to use my online profile. |
| 13:16.02 | VIad1 | I just think it's a bit old fashioned to have one profile for all your contacts now that private life, online life, business life all mesh up. |
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| 13:28.40 | nevcairiel | its pretty common for such companies to push for using real names on online profiles |
| 13:29.52 | nevcairiel | also, businesses dont want you doing private stuff at the same time as working .P |
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| 15:36.41 | Semlar | neffi is 32 characters enough to describe your group in the group finder |
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| 16:09.23 | Cairenn | station |
| 16:09.32 | Unkle | STATION! |
| 16:09.45 | TC-Work | Stay Tion! |
| 16:10.50 | Unkle | Some one please upload a patch for the plumbing in my dwelling. I need one that doesn't result in loss of flow or sudden bursts of 'garbage flow' please. |
| 16:14.34 | Semlar | in the pipe 5x5 |
| 16:16.13 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfPnCPGg4cU I didn't know that was a thing but it's amusing as hell |
| 16:18.00 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 16:21.39 | Ackis | I showed that to my wife and she wants a damn bird now! :( |
| 16:22.23 | Unkle | Ackis: Of course she does. They're cute. |
| 16:22.41 | Ackis | too many animals |
| 16:22.55 | Semlar | birds are horrible people |
| 16:26.52 | Unkle | The third one - the parakeet and the gray cat - the bird was grooming the cat. Very sweet. |
| 16:26.54 | alestane | Birds are weird. |
| 16:28.36 | Semlar | my cat wouldn't tolerate a bird occupying the same room let alone being within paw's reach |
| 16:28.41 | Unkle | What do you want from dinosaurs who've shrunk down to house pets? |
| 16:28.45 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/talking-to-private-line/33747 WTF? |
| 16:28.54 | g0urra | http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/225-hearthstone-beta-patch-4217-blizzcon-reward-card |
| 16:31.03 | Ackis | Unkle: who wouldn't want a mini-littlefoot? |
| 16:32.13 | Unkle | Ackis: Parrots are a big deal. they're expensive to have and care for, and they don't always deal well with other pets or even people. |
| 16:33.11 | Ackis | Unkle: I know, they're very pricey... there's a lady who brings her parrot into pet smart every now and then so I get to see her... don't htink it's a pet I would want however |
| 16:34.26 | Unkle | I knew a woman who had an African Gray, it got envious of the cat. It began to bully the cat, and when the cat got protected from the bullying, it pulled out all its feathers. So very, very, very strange. |
| 16:35.09 | bluipodcow | Awwwww Ackis |
| 16:35.25 | bluipodcow | Did the bad old ladies parrot bite you ? |
| 16:35.29 | Ackis | nope |
| 16:35.31 | bluipodcow | Many times ? |
| 16:35.37 | bluipodcow | With gusto ? |
| 16:38.06 | Lopeppeppy | I want... my BURD! |
| 16:39.04 | TC-Work | ~lart Lopeppeppy |
| 16:39.04 | purl | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats Lopeppeppy until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 16:40.06 | Lopeppeppy | Squirrels are eeeeevil. |
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| 16:41.52 | g0urra | "mayday, mayday. #NewYorkCity has been hit by a big snowball. Yikes! Everything is white." |
| 16:42.10 | alestane | African Grays and octopodes and cats and other creatures that have developed self-awareness have also become prey to the many quirks that in inflicts on humans, Unkle. |
| 16:42.18 | g0urra | http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9354618 |
| 16:42.50 | alestane | They can get bored, they can get self-obsessed, they can get recriminatory. |
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| 16:50.33 | pompy | g0urra: srs bsn here. |
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| 16:53.08 | pompy | ughh come on Steam serverssss. |
| 16:53.21 | Fisker | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:54.42 | pompy | "On game launch, if there is an update available but we haven't started downloading it yet, ask the user if they want to launch the existing bits or wait for the update." |
| 16:54.49 | pompy | "existing bits" |
| 17:00.01 | pompy | anyone having trouble connecting to steam? |
| 17:01.00 | Fisker | some are |
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| 17:01.12 | Semlar | arena, battleground, flex, normal, heroic, challenge mode, is there any other type of group someone might want to make |
| 17:02.00 | Semlar | LFR possibly |
| 17:02.10 | Semlar | can you join LFR as a raid? |
| 17:02.15 | Semlar | pretty sure you can |
| 17:03.39 | Semlar | can't imagine why you would want to create an LFR group manually though i think i'll leave that one out |
| 17:04.21 | Kultzi | random hc and hc scen? |
| 17:04.29 | Semlar | oh right scenarios |
| 17:05.18 | Semlar | i'll leave room for more categories if i want to add some later |
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| 17:11.22 | Shirik | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520753/Chinese-boyfriend-jumped-death-girlfriend-insisted-going-clothes-shop.html |
| 17:11.50 | Shirik | g0urra: NYC is lucky. They get to use salt. |
| 17:16.00 | pompy | kk im not alone http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35154301&postcount=15418 lol >< |
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| 17:21.46 | Unkle | pompy: Your comment "im not alone" makes me think there's probably a corollary to Fermi's Paradox for the Internet - Statistically speaking there ought to be intelligent life out there on the 'net, but, well, where IS it? |
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| 17:23.26 | pompy | Unkle: indeeeed |
| 17:24.04 | Lopeppeppy | Oh look, it's snowing. |
| 17:26.03 | pompy | "The in-game Blizzard Shop went live today, and nearly all Blizzard mounts and pets are 50% off on sale!" hmm. |
| 17:28.39 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:28.40 | pompy | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-9-2013/that-thing-they-said-they-re-not-doing--they-re-totally-doing---world-of-watchcraft?xrs=synd_facebook_121013_tds_31 ha |
| 17:28.43 | Fisker | No snow here |
| 17:28.53 | Fisker | So hot over here after the storm |
| 17:28.58 | Fisker | It's like summer |
| 17:29.18 | Fisker | I assume the new mount and pet isn't 50% off pompy |
| 17:31.11 | pompy | dunno! |
| 17:32.20 | Semlar | is resilience a thing any more |
| 17:33.07 | Semlar | on gear |
| 17:33.59 | Fisker | terrible pompy |
| 17:34.10 | Fisker | terrible like Lopeppeppy's clients and coworkers |
| 17:34.38 | nevcairiel | Semlar: its called PvP Resilience now, but it should still exist |
| 17:35.01 | Semlar | i'm on the ptr and none of the pvp gear from the vendor has anything but pvp power on it |
| 17:35.28 | pompy | Fisker: extremely terrible |
| 17:35.31 | Lopeppeppy | If they don't come in my office they're tolerable, Fisker. |
| 17:35.32 | Ressy | LMAO |
| 17:35.36 | Semlar | i think they might have removed resilience from gear |
| 17:35.38 | Ressy | That link Pompy.. Hilarious |
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| 17:35.43 | Fisker | yes pompy |
| 17:35.50 | Fisker | I hope noone does that Lopeppeppy |
| 17:36.24 | Ressy | "Sorry, but this video is unavailable from your location. In case you can't give up your free healthcare and move to america, you can watch The Daily Show with jon Stewart at thecomedynetwork.ca" |
| 17:36.28 | nevcairiel | Semlar: the only items i see it on are the ilvl 496 trinkets and blue gear |
| 17:36.30 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 17:36.30 | Fisker | looks for the highest of fives |
| 17:37.54 | Unkle | Ressy: At least they /tried/ to be funny about it. |
| 17:38.13 | pompy | Torhal: http://www.cultbox.co.uk/news/headlines/8681-doctor-who-series-8-wont-be-split-confirms-moffat rejoice? ;) |
| 17:38.55 | Semlar | in fact having pvp power on gear doesn't appear to add anything on the character sheet |
| 17:39.11 | Semlar | it just stays at 0% |
| 17:39.20 | Fisker | yay pompy |
| 17:40.15 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/bdeLA2H.jpg <-weird hobby |
| 17:40.19 | pompy | woohoo |
| 17:42.10 | Ackis | Ressy: lol |
| 17:42.38 | Ackis | also it's been a few days since I bitched about my job, so BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH |
| 17:43.09 | foxlit | #job-bitching |
| 17:43.22 | Fisker | I can bitch about my job all day Ackis |
| 17:43.34 | Ackis | do you have a job Fisker? |
| 17:43.37 | Fisker | Like deleting stuff you were told wasn't necessary |
| 17:43.45 | Fisker | then a few days later "We need that thing" |
| 17:43.46 | Fisker | :'( |
| 17:43.50 | Fisker | Yep Ackis |
| 17:43.55 | Fisker | For another 2 weeks |
| 17:43.57 | Ackis | I just never hear you talk about it |
| 17:44.12 | foxlit | you're subconsciously ignoring Fisker. |
| 17:44.20 | Fisker | Everyone is |
| 17:44.21 | Fisker | It's fine |
| 17:44.22 | foxlit | he's quite vocal about active directory and bosses and things. |
| 17:44.55 | Fisker | Active Directory isn't even my job man |
| 17:45.10 | foxlit | nowhere close to the "I'm the messiah and the rest of these sheep are superfluous" level of some other people, but anyhow. |
| 17:45.58 | Fisker | Well if I really get into it, that's mostly the case |
| 17:46.09 | Unkle | But, but .... I AM the Messiah. Or more specifically, the Anti-Christ. |
| 17:46.32 | Fisker | I really hate how people I work with actively try to sneak out of any kind of work |
| 17:46.42 | Fisker | A ticket had been left unhandled for like 3 weeks |
| 17:47.00 | Fisker | It took one guy 2 weeks to conclude he didn't know where the database was, so he was putting it back in the queue |
| 17:47.24 | Fisker | We do have multiple database servers, but like 99% of our databases is on one server |
| 17:47.27 | Fisker | which is where it was |
| 17:47.39 | Fisker | Took me 5 minutes to do it |
| 17:47.59 | Ackis | why put it back in the queue when you could learn something by asking a co-worker? |
| 17:48.53 | foxlit | Все мы геpои фильмов пpо войнy (или пpо пеpвый полёт на лyнy), Unkle. |
| 17:49.58 | Fisker | They don't want to learn anything Ackis |
| 17:50.07 | Fisker | atleast most people don't |
| 17:50.17 | Fisker | many other people forget after a few hours |
| 17:51.17 | Ackis | ohh I made a "controversial" reddit comment! http://www.reddit.com/r/MorbidReality/comments/1sjpu3/lynching_of_circus_workers_in_1920_duluth_mn/cdybh2f (picture is NSFW/NSFL) |
| 17:52.26 | Unkle | foxlit: I don't speak, Greek, Aramaic, or any of the Slavic languages. And Google Translate really mangled that. |
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| 17:54.35 | foxlit | wow, google mangles it even worse than my local text rendering. |
| 17:55.46 | Fisker | don't be a jerk Ackis |
| 17:56.25 | Ackis | ? |
| 17:57.43 | Fisker | Yeah |
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| 18:03.08 | Unkle | Cairenn: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25323216 - They at least mention there's an exception. |
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| 18:23.40 | karl_w_w | aspartame is proof that humans are naturally pessimistic |
| 18:24.19 | karl_w_w | because they're determined to find a downside |
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| 18:27.24 | zenzelezz | is aspartame a brand or the actual medicine thing? |
| 18:27.45 | Semlar | aspartame is a sugar substitute |
| 18:28.18 | Semlar | and it tastes like ass |
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| 18:32.11 | jleclanche | Can someone recommend me a good VPS host for a *very* tight budget? (max. ~$10/yr) |
| 18:32.35 | jleclanche | something like linode, but very low actual power/ram/space reqs |
| 18:32.50 | kd3 | heh; A quick update on hunting season in Ohio: it's Hunters, 1,254, Deer 3 [Interesting] |
| 18:32.55 | kd3 | http://www.nbc4i.com/story/24179502/3-ohio-deer-hunters-killed-during-gun-season |
| 18:34.53 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, there are always hunters killed during hunting season. Usually by each other, sadly. |
| 18:34.59 | Fisker | hetzner jleclanche? |
| 18:35.28 | Cairenn | Unkle: I call bullshit |
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| 18:35.47 | Fisker | https://www.digitalocean.com/ |
| 18:35.48 | Fisker | or maybe that |
| 18:36.31 | Fisker | Money talks Cairenn |
| 18:36.39 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 18:36.44 | jleclanche | digitalocean looks nice. does it have root access? |
| 18:36.46 | kd3 | huh the eula/tos changed in 5.4.2 |
| 18:37.00 | Fisker | idk jleclanche |
| 18:37.04 | Fisker | Not used them |
| 18:37.05 | jleclanche | i dont like when people advertise "cloud servers" |
| 18:37.11 | Fisker | Just heard someone recommend it a while back |
| 18:37.14 | jleclanche | i dont want an AWS/GAE clone |
| 18:37.26 | Fisker | why not kd3? |
| 18:37.33 | Semlar | there's http://nearlyfreespeech.net |
| 18:38.03 | Semlar | dunno what you need |
| 18:39.05 | jleclanche | i hate NFS |
| 18:39.08 | jleclanche | used to use them |
| 18:39.21 | kd3 | emails away (finally) |
| 18:39.39 | Fisker | lies |
| 18:39.41 | zenzelezz | for a moment I thought you meant the file system |
| 18:39.43 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, well, I can't have calcium, so they can take their "recommended daily allowances" of artificial things and shove them up their arses. They have an RDA for chemicals for CHILDREN? |
| 18:39.46 | Fisker | Oh I guess not |
| 18:40.05 | Fisker | you're 40% calcium Lopeppeppy |
| 18:40.15 | Semlar | RDA is a reference to how much you can safely ingest |
| 18:40.32 | TC-Work | Not really |
| 18:40.33 | Lopeppeppy | A bit higher, actually, Fisker. An excuse my wrongly-term, Semlar. ADI. |
| 18:40.46 | durcyn | artificial calcium you say |
| 18:41.14 | kd3 | eh, as long as you don't get close to the LD50, whatever |
| 18:43.44 | Lopeppeppy | laughs. LD50 is FUN. |
| 18:43.54 | Semlar | also what do you mean you can't have calcium |
| 18:44.06 | Semlar | it's an essential mineral |
| 18:44.08 | Lopeppeppy | I might actually have an LD50 of ibuprofen. I have to ponder that. |
| 18:44.36 | jleclanche | Fisker: I went ahead and recommended DigitalOcean. thanks! |
| 18:44.41 | Fisker | So you can't like drink milk and stuff Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | Semlar, my body processes it in harmful ways, so I have to really limit my intake, well below "RDA" for females of my age group. Very lots below. |
| 18:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | So I avoid the big ticket dairy items as much as I can, and antacids, and multivitamins, and stuff. |
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| 18:46.22 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:46.46 | Semlar | does this condition have a name |
| 18:46.50 | jleclanche | Lopeppeppy: well I know what to get you for christmas |
| 18:46.55 | Ressy | Lopeppeppy: Problems with your thyroid? |
| 18:46.57 | Fisker | fuck milkilia |
| 18:47.30 | TC-Work | jleclanche: I thought you said $10/year? |
| 18:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | Ressy, those too! *laugh* Caused by calcium deposits on my thyroid from my body just not knowing what to do with this strange mineral stuff! |
| 18:47.42 | jleclanche | TC-Work: i meant /mo |
| 18:47.47 | TC-Work | Ah |
| 18:47.55 | Ressy | My hubby's aunt has a thyroid surgery day after tomorrow to deal with that. |
| 18:48.13 | Ressy | They think her heart valve is failing from calcium deposits.. So they won't touch her heart til they deal with the thyroid. |
| 18:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | Semlar, it's a genetic thing, not a "disease" like people think of it. My genes, they are mutants and so here I stand, being weirdly. |
| 18:48.38 | Semlar | do you not get enough vitamin D or something |
| 18:48.55 | Semlar | some people have to get injections |
| 18:49.26 | kd3 | I doubt any of us get enough vitamin d... we're all inside getting bathed in the light of computer monitors instead of the sun... |
| 18:49.54 | Ressy | She's actually headed to Florida for the surgery (from Barrie, Ontario, Canada), because they Drs here don't have a surgery for the parathyroids which won't kill her. |
| 18:50.04 | Unkle | kd3: The sun, it burns us. |
| 18:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | I couldn't fix this with injections if I tried. It's more like "omg, what is this thing? I dunno, I'll store it over here in vital connective tissue, it can't do any harm over there!" Ostrich head in the sand. |
| 18:50.58 | Semlar | i mean not being able to absorb calcium is a huge problem |
| 18:51.03 | Semlar | you can't just avoid it |
| 18:51.19 | Semlar | your skeleton is going to develop problems |
| 18:51.57 | kd3 | ooh. I'm getting a lump of coal from CAH |
| 18:51.58 | kd3 | neat |
| 18:52.02 | Lopeppeppy | Don't I know it. :) I'm f'd six ways to Sunday. Here, have some datas. I have a meeting for the next half hour but I'll answer PM questions afterward if anyone is biologically curious. http://www.pxe.org/what-pxe |
| 18:52.50 | Fisker | so it 's not all bad |
| 18:54.24 | Semlar | interesting |
| 18:56.08 | Semlar | normally vitamin D and K contribute to calcium absorption |
| 18:56.36 | Semlar | but it doesn't sound like this has any treatment |
| 18:56.44 | Ackis | I hate when I buy an online game/program only to find out it's different from what they advertised *grumble* |
| 18:57.01 | Fisker | Why don't you hate buying an offline game/program doing that? |
| 19:00.11 | Kalroth | that'd be racist against programs |
| 19:01.19 | Fisker | it is already racist |
| 19:01.48 | Kalroth | no, online games aren't real games, they're more of .. online apps! |
| 19:01.54 | Kalroth | a true game is offline |
| 19:01.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@70.89.120.57-Busname-WA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 19:02.10 | Semlar | like warcraft |
| 19:02.44 | Unkle | http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-fat-patent-loss-endangers-its-android-revenue-7000024103/ |
| 19:10.38 | bleeter | haha well that was a great way to find out all the heirlooms I have are next to pointles lolscaling |
| 19:10.50 | bleeter | seriously, there are still heirlooms that stop working at lvl 85 |
| 19:10.58 | bleeter | it's like the rebase to cata never happened |
| 19:11.09 | nevcairiel | all heirlooms stop working at 85 |
| 19:11.17 | nevcairiel | well except the ones that only work at 90-100 |
| 19:11.36 | nevcairiel | no heirlooms for leveling in panda land |
| 19:11.37 | Semlar | yeah they don't want you getting a boost from 85-90 |
| 19:11.49 | bleeter | no, I got heirlooms that stop at 80 |
| 19:12.01 | Semlar | which can be upgraded to work until 85 |
| 19:12.02 | nevcairiel | you can upgrade those |
| 19:12.11 | bleeter | oh? |
| 19:12.20 | Semlar | it costs a bunch of justice or whatever |
| 19:12.37 | Semlar | actually i think they reduced the cost |
| 19:12.49 | Fisker | yes Unkle |
| 19:12.50 | Fisker | I like you |
| 19:12.54 | kd3 | lmao; https://twitter.com/NSA_PR/status/410099017435996161 |
| 19:12.58 | Unkle | Yeah - you turn in the old item and a bunch of justice points or darkmoon faire tickets and get an upgraded version back |
| 19:13.00 | bleeter | I don't understand why I should cost, rebased to cata... /shrug |
| 19:13.10 | bleeter | s/why I/why it/ |
| 19:13.12 | Fisker | also weird returning to Lopeppeppy's link 20 minutes after opening it |
| 19:13.18 | Fisker | thought I was reading about pxe booting :( |
| 19:13.29 | Semlar | looks like it's 870-1090 justice points depending on the item |
| 19:13.43 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 19:13.45 | bleeter | so what you're saying is... a buncha grind again to get 'rebased' to cata? yeah no pass |
| 19:13.48 | Unkle | kd3: Jon Stewart made the same joke last night. |
| 19:13.52 | Semlar | weapons are 1400 |
| 19:13.58 | Fisker | yeah was about to say that Unkle |
| 19:14.00 | nevcairiel | i think you put way too much emphasis on this "rebased" thing |
| 19:14.03 | nevcairiel | what does that even mean |
| 19:14.03 | Fisker | But wasn't the daily show later technically? |
| 19:14.10 | nevcairiel | just because everyone gets a free cata now? |
| 19:14.21 | Semlar | everything in wow is a grind so |
| 19:14.21 | nevcairiel | the game didnt change for it |
| 19:14.39 | Unkle | I guess so. *shrugs* My bad. |
| 19:15.03 | Fisker | good |
| 19:15.06 | Fisker | you should feel bad |
| 19:15.08 | Semlar | on the plus side you can mail heirlooms across servers now |
| 19:15.19 | nevcairiel | thats true |
| 19:15.21 | Ressy | I used my useless darkmoon faire tickets for an upgrade... Real easy/cheap |
| 19:15.28 | Fisker | I must say it was kinda silly how dated those wow references were though Unkle |
| 19:15.42 | Unkle | I skipped out after the virgins joke. |
| 19:16.38 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 19:16.49 | Fisker | Want a kick in the nuts? |
| 19:20.12 | bleeter | Ressy: yeah nice 'cept gotta wait a month for DMF to return. which is roughly how long it'd take to level these toons 'normally' =) |
| 19:21.35 | nevcairiel | or do a few hours of instances |
| 19:21.55 | nevcairiel | i got like 6k in justice points on some afternoon to buy heirlooms and upgrade them |
| 19:24.33 | Unkle | Since I have nearly every one of my characters at 85 except three I abandoned on other servers, I think I'll just wait until 6.0 when heirlooms are getting their own inventory page. |
| 19:25.02 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 19:27.25 | bleeter | Unkle: I got a buncha ~79 toons I'd like to raise to 85 minimum. Sure, I could spend time doing other stuff to 'fix' 'my' screw up. Think I'll just leave the subs to expire and see what 6.0 throws |
| 19:27.44 | Unkle | *nod* |
| 19:28.58 | bleeter | in between wanting to l2tank to help lfr, gathering mats for daily cooldown and crafting and looking after two people with dementia, I really ain't got inclination to change my plans for the coming month |
| 19:29.22 | TC-Work | anyone know how to disable slow keys via cli in kde? |
| 19:30.26 | Unkle | bleeter: Yeah, I pretty much just do a small set of dailies and generating crafting materials and working on my "main's" legendary cloak. |
| 19:30.45 | Unkle | I'm in "maintenance mode" until the next expansion. |
| 19:30.47 | bleeter | honestly, I just don't understand why their are still -80 heirlooms and -85 heirlooms. ain't heard one explanation yet that doesn't seem to boil down to 'because we're lazy, suck it up big huy' |
| 19:31.14 | bleeter | or 'because you're stupid and don't understand, suck it up... etc.' |
| 19:31.48 | Unkle | I think some of the designers want there to be a cost in getting the extra boost from 80 to 85, but *shrug* The could have just done an update query... |
| 19:33.15 | bleeter | Unkle: I wouldn't mind if the bonus started scaling down 5 levels before the items max out but... seriously. I'm already falling asleep doing content again for the 7th time, last thing I wanna stay awake for is paying attention to quest rewards for shitty gear ;) |
| 19:33.34 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 19:33.34 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 19:34.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Gragagrogog (~Gragagrog@ip-89-177-116-251.net.upcbroadband.cz) |
| 19:34.27 | Unkle | bleeter: *nod* While I still manage to find a bunch of fun in WoW, leveling a 16th and 17th toon isn't really appealing now. |
| 19:37.24 | Lopeppeppy | returns! Bwa ha ha. |
| 19:37.42 | Fisker | oh no |
| 19:37.50 | Fisker | calls for batman |
| 19:38.17 | jnwhiteh | Mr_Rabies: does clique need to be updated for something? |
| 19:38.35 | bleeter | Unkle: (rp) my toon 'just wants to be a tank for this #&$@$#$% dead realm and the other toons already feel guilty enough holding me back' suspect she'd go tree form and set herself on fire if I suggested DMF/Justice stuffs ;) |
| 19:38.37 | Mr_Rabies | haven't tried it yet |
| 19:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | if you were talking about what i was saying the other day, that was a hypothetical situation |
| 19:38.51 | TC-Work | Fisker: Batman works here at my work. |
| 19:39.04 | bleeter | TC-Work: pics or it didn't happen |
| 19:39.11 | Fisker | nice TC-Work |
| 19:39.22 | Fisker | Is he the coworker you deserve? |
| 19:39.37 | TC-Work | Fisker: No, it's the coworker we need. |
| 19:39.41 | bleeter | I thought batman lived off his investments |
| 19:39.41 | Unkle | bleeter: *chuckle* |
| 19:39.44 | jnwhiteh | Mr_Rabies: kk =) |
| 19:39.44 | Fisker | So not Batman really |
| 19:39.53 | jnwhiteh | i dont have much scrollback, just enough to see when my addons are mentioned |
| 19:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay |
| 19:39.59 | jnwhiteh | so I can *try* to stay on top of things |
| 19:40.01 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 19:40.02 | Fisker | quaaaaaaaaaassel |
| 19:40.07 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hihi |
| 19:40.12 | TC-Work | sends bleeter pics. |
| 19:40.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i was saying i don't really use addons that i couldn't do without if they broke for a week or two until they were fixed |
| 19:40.26 | Fisker | I have like 3 years of scroll back |
| 19:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | clique is super super useful, but i could at least raid without it as a dps |
| 19:40.36 | Mr_Rabies | as a healer i couldn't imagine it, though |
| 19:40.41 | Lopeppeppy | Clique rocked my world as a healer! |
| 19:40.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's like, the perfect addon for weaving in heals as a feral dps |
| 19:41.03 | Fisker | yeah Lopeppeppy |
| 19:41.05 | Fisker | clique + grid |
| 19:41.36 | Mr_Rabies | mouse5 for HT, shift + mouse5 for cenarion ward, middlemouse for brez |
| 19:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | best ever |
| 19:43.09 | Fisker | tackles in TC-Work's direction |
| 19:43.22 | Fisker | also Lopeppeppy you left 4 seconds early yesterday .( |
| 19:43.26 | jnwhiteh | it was nicer in 2.0 when I could still fix things myself |
| 19:43.34 | jnwhiteh | the templates have limited my ability to do all the things I wanted, but was necessary |
| 19:43.41 | TC-Work | counter tackles Fisker |
| 19:45.27 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I was working from home, my clock didn't care! :) |
| 19:45.40 | Fisker | It should :( |
| 19:45.52 | bleeter | I reckon jnwhiteh could raise a bit of cash for beer if he crowdsourced funds to update clique =) |
| 19:46.15 | Fisker | I don't think he has the time bleeter |
| 19:46.21 | Fisker | [22:17:34] <-- Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@cpe-67-248-130-4.nycap.res.rr.com) has quit (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the cookies.) |
| 19:46.21 | Fisker | [22:17:38] <Fisker> :'( |
| 19:46.24 | Fisker | See Lopeppeppy |
| 19:46.37 | Lopeppeppy | Awwwww. |
| 19:47.00 | bleeter | Fisker: I don't think any of us have the time we had any more |
| 19:47.17 | bleeter | Fisker: one of the major drawbacks of transition from kid to adult, sfa time |
| 19:47.35 | Fisker | :'( |
| 19:47.37 | bleeter | hugs jnwhiteh |
| 19:47.41 | bleeter | OLD MAN! |
| 19:47.43 | bleeter | flees |
| 19:47.49 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: write my thesis for me? |
| 19:47.49 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 19:48.19 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: we can probably crowdsource that for you and all, too =) |
| 19:48.31 | Primer | Wouldn't that be against ToS? |
| 19:48.41 | Fisker | no Primer |
| 19:48.52 | zenzelezz | the only thesis I can write is parenthesis |
| 19:49.04 | nevcairiel | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 19:49.04 | purl | judo chops zenzelezz |
| 19:50.00 | Primer | The same thing can be achieved from mouseover macros and a programmable mouse |
| 19:50.05 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: srsly tho, hadn't heard you were up to thesis stage. simultaneously thrilled and nervous for you. best of luck, bloke :) |
| 19:50.16 | Lopeppeppy | I wrote a master's thesis, but that's nowhere comparable. |
| 19:50.25 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: heh, its due in .. 43 days I think |
| 19:50.48 | Primer | Will we have to start calling you Dr. jnwhiteh soon? :) |
| 19:51.42 | jnwhiteh | Primer: probably 6-9 months off from that, but ideally. |
| 19:51.53 | Primer | excellent |
| 19:51.53 | Humbedooh | doctor and the doctor |
| 19:52.00 | bleeter | Primer: no matter how hard I try, whenever my friends or acquaintences approach getting that pre-nomial, I can't help but think of Muppets' Veteranarians Hospital =) |
| 19:52.22 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I'm attempting to adopt tharper btw! |
| 19:52.32 | bleeter | strangely enough, for some reason I imagine jnwhiteh could do a passable Rowlf impersonation |
| 19:52.44 | tharper | bleeter has such...notions |
| 19:52.51 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: does that involve moving? |
| 19:53.10 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: mebbe, I'm trying to get him DK citizenship through adoption! |
| 19:53.22 | Humbedooh | now that it's law and what not |
| 19:53.36 | jnwhiteh | works for me, as long as we don't need to move to DK |
| 19:53.46 | Humbedooh | you'd love it here! |
| 19:53.51 | jnwhiteh | Yeah, I actually would |
| 19:53.57 | Humbedooh | we have bacon |
| 19:54.10 | jnwhiteh | but I'd just be a svenskjävel |
| 19:54.33 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: heh, i'd happy keep updating clique with 0 funding |
| 19:54.35 | Primer | It's weird to think that some countries don't have bacon |
| 19:54.38 | jnwhiteh | if anyone has issues with it =) |
| 19:54.44 | bleeter | otoh, .dk has a tasmanian as it's next queen :P |
| 19:54.56 | Primer | its* |
| 19:55.22 | bleeter | Primer: not in enAU_TAS ;) |
| 19:55.39 | Primer | unlikely |
| 19:55.45 | bleeter | we're one of those di'alects who will pu't apos'tro'phe's every'where''' |
| 19:55.54 | Primer | it's == contraction of it and is, always |
| 19:55.56 | bleeter | strue |
| 19:56.03 | bleeter | I've seen it on shop sign's all over! |
| 19:56.22 | jnwhiteh | Happy birthday "Monkey" |
| 19:56.37 | Fisker | Not yet jnwhiteh |
| 19:56.39 | Fisker | Thanks though |
| 19:56.49 | jnwhiteh | What should I do for my birthday? |
| 19:57.01 | jnwhiteh | I'm working, so naturally I'll bring fika |
| 19:57.02 | Fisker | oh yeah yours is in a few days right? |
| 19:57.02 | TC-Work | Everything |
| 19:57.12 | jnwhiteh | but maybe I'll reward myself by not working on my thesis. |
| 19:57.14 | Fisker | best birthday month ever |
| 19:57.20 | Fisker | december master race |
| 19:57.23 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: day off from thesis, yes |
| 19:57.23 | Fisker | no offense tharper |
| 19:57.35 | bleeter | Fisker: DECEMBER MASTER RACE FTW |
| 19:57.41 | Fisker | yes bleeter |
| 19:57.50 | Primer | jnwhiteh: Might we know what your thesis is about? |
| 19:58.05 | Fisker | letters Primer |
| 19:58.07 | Fisker | and shit |
| 19:58.20 | jnwhiteh | Primer: bridging the gap between formal methods of concurrency and software engineering, more or less =) |
| 19:58.36 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: mad! |
| 19:59.03 | Primer | jnwhiteh: does gaming factor into that? |
| 20:02.59 | Fisker | only if you're procastinating |
| 20:03.17 | bleeter | I put of procrastinating until next week |
| 20:03.19 | bleeter | off |
| 20:08.20 | jnwhiteh | Primer: in what way? |
| 20:08.28 | Primer | One of the many gripes of gamers is the lack of support for CPU cores |
| 20:08.32 | Primer | in games |
| 20:08.49 | jnwhiteh | Heh, concurrency doesn't necessarily have anything to do with parallelism =) |
| 20:08.51 | Primer | Unless I misunderstood your thesis |
| 20:09.24 | jnwhiteh | and I don't really address anything about parallelism, just concurrency |
| 20:09.28 | Primer | Well, when I think of concurrency I think of threads |
| 20:09.42 | Primer | While I know you can run multiple threads on a single core, that seems rather...useless |
| 20:10.16 | jnwhiteh | think instead of a way of structuring software.. like functional programming or object oriented programming, or event-based programming. |
| 20:12.31 | Fisker | http://www.gamebreaker.tv/news/microsoft-raises-prices-on-xbox-one-digital-games/ |
| 20:12.32 | Fisker | heh |
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| 20:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | I am looking forward to winter break. I should start some kind of countdown ticker... |
| 20:16.45 | Primer | jnwhiteh: so what do you consider to be "formal methods of concurrency"? |
| 20:17.00 | jnwhiteh | Primer: process calculi and algebrae |
| 20:17.19 | jnwhiteh | CSP, Pi-Calculus |
| 20:19.43 | Primer | I think I'll stop here. I don't even know what that stuff is, with regards to programming, at least. |
| 20:20.05 | jnwhiteh | It's not normally used in any programming, that's one of the things that I'm trying to address. |
| 20:20.07 | Lopeppeppy | This is the first year that I have my own $winterholiday off. Wow. |
| 20:20.13 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:21.17 | Fisker | swinter? |
| 20:21.31 | zenzelezz | no it ain't |
| 20:23.50 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: you know what that means? Time to visit Australia! \o/ |
| 20:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | I actually have 15 days off in a row, I could do it! If I had a passport and money! |
| 20:24.23 | Fisker | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/149f/ |
| 20:25.17 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I can fix the money problem for you, just set up a site to collect beer money for jnwhiteh to fix clique. THEN EMBEZZLEEMBELEZZLE THE FUNDS \o/ |
| 20:25.48 | jnwhiteh | i wont do any work until 17 dec |
| 20:25.50 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 20:25.52 | jnwhiteh | 17 jan |
| 20:25.56 | jnwhiteh | unless something is legit broken =) |
| 20:26.00 | bleeter | I could probably sort the passport for you too =) |
| 20:27.07 | Lopeppeppy | Embezzle zenzelezz's passport, you say? How clever! The photo will no doubt be a striking resemblance to me. |
| 20:27.42 | zenzelezz | you never know |
| 20:28.10 | zenzelezz | is it tricky to get a passport in the US or something? |
| 20:28.14 | jnwhiteh | Fisker is like my twin |
| 20:28.15 | Fisker | You can borrow mine Lopeppeppy |
| 20:28.16 | jnwhiteh | true story |
| 20:28.19 | Fisker | we're both daywalkers |
| 20:29.01 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, it just takes some time, that's all. |
| 20:29.01 | Fisker | But you're like 6 years older than me jnwhiteh |
| 20:29.05 | Fisker | Do you know what this mean? |
| 20:29.06 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: one thing's for sure, at least we know now that it's less likely the NSA will give #wowuidev and associated folks less crap at the border =) |
| 20:29.17 | Fisker | also Lopeppeppy bad idea |
| 20:29.18 | bleeter | *folks crap... |
| 20:29.18 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: it means that my egg hatched before yours did |
| 20:29.22 | Fisker | I'm probably on the US no-fly list |
| 20:29.24 | jnwhiteh | and that we're brothers from a different mother! |
| 20:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | Less likely? We figure this how? We're scary programmers of doom. |
| 20:29.29 | Fisker | ah ok |
| 20:30.10 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: really? Here it can take "up to X days", but usually you get it the second-to-next day or so |
| 20:30.32 | Lopeppeppy | I would expect the process to take no less than 3-6 weeks, zenzelezz. |
| 20:30.34 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: well the NSA are probably less likely to pay for their agents bnet subs if the addons are all broken because they've got the authors banged up for 72 hours without access to a lawyer :P |
| 20:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | Who is banging what authors, and why wasn't I invited? |
| 20:31.00 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: ipso, the chances of a wow addon author getting picked up.... :P |
| 20:31.19 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: that's for the NSA to know anod not you, I guess :( |
| 20:31.19 | Fisker | hey you already have someone to bang Lopeppeppy |
| 20:31.23 | Lopeppeppy | eyes alestane and Unkle. Some 'splaining to do, guys. |
| 20:31.25 | Fisker | leave some for us others |
| 20:31.35 | Unkle | *cough* |
| 20:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I'm allowed to handle the merchandise with proper prior approval - Creative Commons licenses aren't just for addons, you know. |
| 20:32.06 | Unkle | I've been on watch lists for a long time. |
| 20:32.30 | Fisker | CC-By-SA Lopeppeppy? |
| 20:32.46 | Primer | sigh...there's no 64 bit wow launcher, is there? |
| 20:32.53 | Primer | I can't patch with my current wine... |
| 20:32.58 | Fisker | Why do you need it? |
| 20:32.58 | Fisker | oh |
| 20:33.13 | bleeter | I'm not on a watch list, but it's bloody infuriating someone hassles my family every time I leave the state (the only way they'd know I'm leaving is access to passenger manifests...) |
| 20:33.16 | Primer | oh, I still have the system-installed wine |
| 20:33.18 | Fisker | Doesn't wine support wow64? |
| 20:33.41 | Fisker | huh bleeter? :O |
| 20:33.45 | Fisker | sounds creepy |
| 20:33.50 | bleeter | Primer: I'm not exactly sure, I'm using QT4Wine to worry about all that crap. I just point it at the launcher |
| 20:34.14 | Primer | I have a git checkout of wine that I built as 64 bit only |
| 20:34.25 | bleeter | Fisker: It was creepy until they started ringing me up while I was away from home, asking where they could score drugs. and since then I've just been 'lol' because it's such fail |
| 20:34.26 | Fisker | silly |
| 20:34.35 | Fisker | O_o |
| 20:34.38 | Unkle | In the 90s, I was part of a company that was giving away a trip to the MIR space station. We got a lot of attention from various federal agencies because we were doing business with the only recently not soviet republics. |
| 20:34.44 | Fisker | Is your surname Heisenberg? |
| 20:35.49 | bleeter | no, but I've been thinking of changing it for trolling purposes =) |
| 20:36.46 | bleeter | bloke I know changed his full name to a singular name, iirc his D&D toon that everyone called him any way. has caused no end of fun watching him break systems that can't handle 'odd' legal names |
| 20:36.54 | bleeter | I'ma lookin' at you, G+ FB etc. |
| 20:36.57 | bleeter | what a buncha fail |
| 20:37.20 | bleeter | the gov't websites that won't let him use them, though, are probably the best |
| 20:37.43 | Fisker | There was some poor girl here named Zazha |
| 20:37.49 | Fisker | so unique |
| 20:42.55 | bleeter | what's 'advanced combat logging' under the Network-Advanced preference all about? Don't recall seeing that before |
| 20:44.21 | bleeter | Unkle: sounds like that tale I heard about a buncha people in the US hate NASA because NASA deal with North Korea because their enabling legislation says they have a mission for the whole world, instead of whole world except north korea =) |
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| 20:51.44 | Unkle | bleeter: It was ... an interesting time. |
| 20:53.22 | zenzelezz | for the republic |
| 20:54.13 | Unkle | The Emperor's Forces have harried the Rebel Alliance into hiding... |
| 20:54.29 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECUbuBrbP1g |
| 21:03.13 | Fisker | asdfg |
| 21:08.27 | bleeter | HAH https://twitter.com/AnitaBulan/status/410508267391946753 |
| 21:13.42 | jnwhiteh | I fully support the oxford comma |
| 21:13.49 | jnwhiteh | and generally the oxford zed |
| 21:13.51 | jnwhiteh | but.. not always |
| 21:14.05 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (~Kaydeethr@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 21:15.24 | Unkle | Long Live the Oxford Comma, tabs over spaces, and the string bikini. |
| 21:17.57 | zenzelezz | tabs over spaces? And all this time I thought you were a cool guy |
| 21:19.08 | Unkle | zenzelezz: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=15328&start=120#p1692987 |
| 21:20.18 | Fisker | lol |
| 21:20.29 | Fisker | I love you Unkle |
| 21:26.54 | Fisker | think I'll get some sleep now |
| 21:27.18 | zenzelezz | weak Fisker, weak |
| 21:27.25 | Fisker | ;( |
| 21:27.38 | Fisker | bye friendos and Lopeppeppy |
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| 21:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | Night night. |
| 21:34.59 | foxlit | it's somewhat ironic that I'm losing to Little Tommy because Lil' Oondasta misses key attacks. |
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| 21:37.32 | ScratchMonkey | Where can I find the current source for OpenMailSender? I'm working a bug in EasyMail where GetText for that object returns nil. Probably something to do with the new cross-realm email |
| 21:41.44 | Semlar | you mean the mail frame? |
| 21:43.52 | Semlar | OpenMailSender.Name is a font string |
| 21:44.08 | Semlar | OpenMailSender is currently a frame |
| 21:45.47 | Mr_Rabies | that effect when you go to buy from the ingame store is insane looking |
| 21:46.48 | Unkle | You might have to extract the source from the game client, 'cause I don't know if any one has already put it online. http://wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code |
| 21:47.22 | ScratchMonkey | thanks, just found that myself ;) |
| 21:47.51 | Unkle | I just saw your post in UI&M. lulz |
| 21:47.55 | ScratchMonkey | and that page has this link which seems current http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17658 |
| 21:48.19 | ScratchMonkey | looks like the source I want is here: BlizzardInterfaceCode\Interface\FrameXML\MailFrame.lua |
| 21:48.37 | Unkle | Yeah, that's Foxlit's page. I just didn't know if he'd put today's patch up yet. |
| 21:49.27 | Semlar | well it was on 5.4.2 from the ptr before it was pushed to live |
| 21:49.44 | Semlar | anyway WHY is this not displaying correctly http://i.imgur.com/NlsYnJQ.png |
| 21:50.02 | Semlar | i have two input boxes using the exact same code |
| 21:50.04 | ScratchMonkey | awesome, found the change here at line 467 http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17658/MailFrame.lua/diff |
| 21:50.29 | ScratchMonkey | Apparently the text was pushed down into a new Name sub-object instead of in the main frame |
| 21:51.08 | Unkle | Semlar: Because something doesn't like you. It has the death penalty in 12 systems. |
| 21:51.18 | Semlar | THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS |
| 21:51.48 | Semlar | i dismantled the entire addon trying to figure out why this input box isn't displaying right |
| 21:53.20 | Semlar | like, those are the only lines i have right now and it's still displaying incorrectly |
| 21:54.50 | Semlar | okay these appear to require a global name |
| 21:54.57 | Semlar | i have no idea why |
| 21:56.33 | Aeger73 | I blame Neffi, its his fault |
| 21:56.42 | Semlar | dammit neffi |
| 21:56.55 | foxlit | your imaginary code is stupid, Semlar. |
| 21:57.03 | Semlar | your imaginary code is stupid, shut up! |
| 21:57.06 | foxlit | I don't know why you'd call a variable fluffleklump. |
| 21:57.16 | foxlit | Also, what's with the rAnSOMcaPS? |
| 21:57.42 | Semlar | they aren't random? |
| 21:58.03 | Semlar | i don't capitalize locals |
| 21:58.12 | foxlit | :P It's not like I'm actually looking at your code. |
| 21:58.18 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 21:58.26 | foxlit | you hid it in an image link. |
| 21:58.35 | foxlit | way past my scrollback window! |
| 21:58.36 | Semlar | i didn't want to make two links |
| 21:59.05 | foxlit | Semlar: i have no idea why << because anchors. |
| 21:59.11 | Semlar | anyway i'm basically inheriting from InputBoxTemplate and apparently that means they need a global name for the background to work |
| 21:59.51 | nevcairiel | oh yeah plenty of these templates have that limitation |
| 21:59.57 | Semlar | that's what i get for using a template |
| 22:00.47 | foxlit | taran zhu is being an indescribable pain. |
| 22:00.50 | Semlar | ugh i really don't want to make a ui |
| 22:01.03 | Semlar | NEFFI |
| 22:01.20 | Semlar | COME DO THIS FOR ME |
| 22:02.05 | Semlar | i don't like the way the default ui elements look but if i style it differently it's going to look out of place |
| 22:02.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why they didn't open up scenarios for level 88 or 89+ :/ |
| 22:02.37 | Semlar | NO SCENARIOS FOR YOU |
| 22:03.11 | Mr_Rabies | waiting 20 minutes for a 5 man queue and getting no exp sucks, questing is totally boring now that i've done the content once and dailies killed any fun in repeating them |
| 22:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | pet battle exp is a joke, so instead i'm just farming worms on timeless isle after i do all my dungeon quests |
| 22:04.12 | Unkle | farming worms? |
| 22:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, there's these worms on timeless isle that are in groups |
| 22:04.48 | Mr_Rabies | about 10 per group, 40k exp per or so |
| 22:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | 78k hp each |
| 22:05.02 | Semlar | i'm kind of dreading writing a scrollframe for this |
| 22:05.13 | Mr_Rabies | if no one else is doing it and you have rest exp, you can get from 89-90 in about 45 mins |
| 22:05.24 | Mr_Rabies | double that of course if you don't have rest exp |
| 22:06.11 | kd3|hate`net | are the xp pots/lesser charms available in the us store? or are those just in asia still |
| 22:06.25 | ScratchMonkey | C++ coder here. I see in LUA that . is for referencing a static method and : for dereferencing an object. So I'm unclear why OpenMailSender:GetText() gets replaced with OpenMailSender.Name:GetText(). Why isn't that first dot a colon? Trying to get my head around the object model here. |
| 22:06.37 | foxlit | Semlar: steal from OPie. |
| 22:06.41 | foxlit | </madness> |
| 22:06.43 | Semlar | mmm pie |
| 22:06.54 | nevcairiel | ScratchMonkey: there are no such concepts in Lua |
| 22:06.54 | nevcairiel | its not a OO language |
| 22:07.14 | ScratchMonkey | If it's not OO, then why bother with dot and colon operators at all? |
| 22:07.21 | kd3 | syntactic sugar |
| 22:07.23 | nevcairiel | dot is just an index into a table |
| 22:07.27 | foxlit | Semlar: in particular, grep for ext.config.ui |
| 22:07.31 | nevcairiel | a map if you will |
| 22:07.36 | Semlar | i don't know, i basically consider tables to be objects |
| 22:07.45 | nevcairiel | colon is just syntax sugar |
| 22:07.47 | nevcairiel | basically |
| 22:07.54 | ScratchMonkey | right, C++ has vtables to implement objects |
| 22:07.56 | nevcairiel | foo:bar() == foo.bar(foo) |
| 22:08.28 | ScratchMonkey | yep, that's how C++ works, foo.bar() = bar(foo) where bar is in foo's class namespace |
| 22:08.39 | nevcairiel | stop thinking about c++ |
| 22:08.42 | nevcairiel | its not like that at all =P |
| 22:08.57 | ScratchMonkey | I think in assembler, C++ is just an example ;) |
| 22:09.22 | ScratchMonkey | when C++ breaks, I drop to assembly language and then file bug reports against the compiler :D |
| 22:09.24 | foxlit | meh, it's fine. |
| 22:09.27 | Semlar | i try not to think too much |
| 22:09.49 | ScratchMonkey | I find the best programmers are the ones who know what's really going on under the hood, they can "run the machine" in their head |
| 22:10.27 | ScratchMonkey | but I'm not getting what the dot syntax does in LUA |
| 22:10.59 | Primer | perhaps you should decompile it |
| 22:11.05 | Semlar | the dot and colon do the same thing except the colon passes self inherently |
| 22:11.21 | Semlar | it's just referencing an item in the table |
| 22:11.22 | nevcairiel | lua has a thing called a table, they are basically a hybrid out of a array and a dictionary. the dot syntax just goes into the dictionary and pulls something out |
| 22:11.46 | nevcairiel | a.b == a['b'] |
| 22:13.11 | foxlit | C has this thing called a struct |
| 22:13.51 | foxlit | in many ways, Lua's dot is similar to that dot. |
| 22:14.01 | nevcairiel | luas base syntax is extremely simple, it just has on top a few things we call syntax sugar, that make stuff easier to read :) |
| 22:14.23 | foxlit | also, it helps if you stop thinking of yourself as a "C++ programmer" and go read the reference manual of the language you're actually using. |
| 22:15.00 | ScratchMonkey | ah, ok, so OpenMailSender.Name is a map key. |
| 22:20.50 | ScratchMonkey | Yeah, I mention C++ only because it's my day job, but I've been coding in all kinds of languages for 30 years, just haven't done much with lua. So it looks like lua's table is what everyone else calls a map or a hash table. That's the thing about learning new languages. You gotta figure out what cute jargon they're using for all the old stuff. |
| 22:21.16 | Semlar | it's a combination of a dictionary and an array |
| 22:23.13 | Semlar | it will act as an array if you use sequential numerical indexes or table.insert/table.remove to pop and push items |
| 22:23.14 | foxlit | the words "hash table" should ring some serious bells. |
| 22:23.49 | foxlit | (oh hey, it has table in it <3 ) |
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| 22:24.11 | Semlar | but you can treat it as a dictionary and use practically anything as a key |
| 22:25.51 | ScratchMonkey | ah, so it's like Perl's arrays |
| 22:27.02 | ScratchMonkey | Trying to get my head around this: http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 22:27.04 | Primer | I tend to think of it more similar to javascript |
| 22:27.23 | ScratchMonkey | With a single level of object it's straightforward. It's the nesting that I'm having trouble with. |
| 22:28.04 | Semlar | just think of it as a dictionary |
| 22:29.04 | Semlar | associative arrays? |
| 22:29.58 | Semlar | table.key is the same as table['key'] |
| 22:30.46 | Semlar | table.key.subkey is the same as table['key']['subkey'] or table = { key = { subkey = {} } } |
| 22:31.09 | nevcairiel | how is that the same |
| 22:31.13 | Semlar | I DON'T KNOW |
| 22:31.16 | Semlar | you do this |
| 22:31.24 | Semlar | i have an addon to work on |
| 22:31.32 | nevcairiel | i have a bed to sleep in! |
| 22:32.25 | Semlar | lucky |
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| 23:01.24 | kd3 | ...the plague is back!? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25324011 |
| 23:01.25 | frankfort | BBC News - Madagascar village 'hit by bubonic plague' |
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| 23:03.21 | Kraps | anyone have a hearthstone key they can give |
| 23:04.33 | xyphoid | madagascar makes me sad - we visited just before the coup and it was feeling hopeful |
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| 23:11.31 | foxlit | "If you would like to share this [e-]book with another person, please purchase an additional copy for each recipient." |
| 23:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 23:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | one reason i don't buy ebooks right there |
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| 23:17.06 | karl_w_w | "If you would like to share this [e-]book with another person, please pirate an additional copy for each recipient." |
| 23:18.00 | karl_w_w | while I detest the misuse of the term piracy it did fit rather well there :P |
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| 23:26.07 | Mr_Rabies | tbh i'd rather buy a real book than pirate an ebook in most cases |
| 23:26.17 | Mr_Rabies | other than college textbooks of course |
| 23:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | if i need them in class or they require an online activation code then i usually rent them, but otherwise gotta subsidize those costs |
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| 23:55.02 | TC-Work | weeee, 3 30' monitors at work now. |
| 23:55.13 | TC-Work | Till my boss yells at me. |
| 23:56.35 | airtonix | sounds like a jerk |
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| 23:57.28 | airtonix | tbh everyone should be using 1080p occulus rifts with suns looking glass desktop environment |
| 23:57.41 | Gnarfoz | you first |
| 23:58.31 | airtonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQ4Nza34ak |
| 23:58.32 | frankfort | Looking Glass on Ubuntu - YouTube |
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