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| 00:44.10 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/ZLAycT1.gif |
| 01:05.22 | Semlar | this is how i park |
| 01:09.47 | TC-Work | Like an ass jack? |
| 01:11.41 | Semlar | problem? |
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| 01:18.56 | Semlar | didn't think so |
| 01:18.58 | TC-Work | Well, many |
| 01:19.03 | TC-Work | but not with that |
| 01:19.39 | Semlar | neffi were you filming me |
| 01:20.13 | TC-Work | Yes, he was, but it had nothing to do with your driving skills.... |
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| 01:35.46 | Semlar | daw |
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| 04:25.59 | airtonix | Arrowmaster: what do you do? |
| 04:33.50 | Thunder_Child | airtonix: he works for a bank, but he does it on a contract basis. |
| 04:45.59 | airtonix | sounds thrilling |
| 04:50.25 | bleeter | karl_w_w, airtonix: lol telstra https://twitter.com/parisba/status/409902550058409985 |
| 04:52.36 | airtonix | meh |
| 04:53.35 | airtonix | i don't care for german/zionist/jewish sensationlism. it's such a boring subject. |
| 04:53.55 | airtonix | i feel sleepy just reading that |
| 04:54.07 | airtonix | yawns |
| 04:57.31 | bleeter | yeah I think you missed the point there and went straight to the zionist/jewish/nazi angle |
| 04:57.40 | bleeter | which I think says way more about you than telstra, actually... |
| 04:58.24 | airtonix | well why else would they focus on himmler? |
| 04:58.29 | airtonix | also the comments |
| 04:58.56 | airtonix | and disagreeing with sensationlism does not make me one of them |
| 04:59.10 | airtonix | isn't that a tactic of tyrants ? |
| 04:59.41 | airtonix | "oh you don't agree with popular opinion... you must be a terrorist/hate-crime/loon" |
| 05:00.33 | airtonix | but anyway, it's telstra. did we really have higher expectations? |
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| 05:40.58 | Neffi | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/2J2uUe3.jpg |
| 05:43.48 | Semlar | ok |
| 05:44.14 | Neffi | ^_^ |
| 06:07.44 | bluspacecow | http://viralcircus.com/30-naughtiest-dogs-youll-crack-up-when-you-find-out-what-they-did/ |
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| 06:19.15 | Neffi | "hey let's put a LOL SHARE THIS SHIT vertical column covering the fuckign content" |
| 06:19.31 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 06:19.33 | bluspacecow | u mad ? |
| 06:19.41 | Neffi | We ought to work to build a community blacklist of sites that force terrible design upon the viewer, and offer AdBlock filters |
| 06:19.52 | Neffi | Not to get rid of terrible design. To get rid of traffic to that site. |
| 06:20.25 | bluspacecow | yr mean |
| 06:20.34 | Semlar | adblock |
| 06:21.22 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure one of my adblock subscription is blocking all of that social stuff |
| 06:22.28 | Semlar | it's called.. antisocial |
| 06:23.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.20 | airtonix | Neffi: my favourite is this : 1. browsing somehwere, see a link "awesome article describing shit i can be bothered to detail" 2. click link. 3. arrive at site (stuff still loading) start reading the article. 4. modal pops up covering the ENTIRE FUCKING PAGE "LOOOOOLLLL LIKE US ON FACEBOOOKKKKKK" |
| 06:24.05 | airtonix | oh so you're goal wasn't to get people reading your article, but to satisfy some vapid desire |
| 06:24.25 | bluspacecow | @semlar http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2574 |
| 06:24.52 | Semlar | w..what |
| 06:25.05 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 06:25.05 | Semlar | neffi i need an adult |
| 06:25.16 | bluspacecow | YOU ARE AN ADULT |
| 06:25.21 | airtonix | orly? |
| 06:25.22 | Semlar | I NEED ANOTHER ADULT |
| 06:25.23 | bluspacecow | i think |
| 06:25.24 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 06:25.39 | airtonix | selfish bastard. taking all the adults |
| 06:26.10 | bluspacecow | *puts hand up |
| 06:28.42 | Neffi | Semlar: still leaves the container object around |
| 06:28.49 | Neffi | so instead you get a big white box |
| 06:28.58 | Neffi | Slightly less annoying, but insulting nonetheless |
| 06:29.12 | Semlar | i don't get anything when i go to that site |
| 06:29.24 | Semlar | adblock is completely blocking whatever he's getting |
| 06:29.35 | Neffi | The one bluspacecow linked gives me a white box |
| 06:29.40 | Neffi | The questionablecont one doesnt |
| 06:29.53 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 06:29.54 | Semlar | are you subscribed to what i linked to? |
| 06:30.04 | bluspacecow | the viral cirus link ? |
| 06:30.06 | Neffi | i believe so, lemme check |
| 06:30.10 | Neffi | yes, bluspacecow |
| 06:30.43 | Neffi | Ah, I was use just Fanboy's social blocker |
| 06:30.51 | Neffi | and EasyList/EasyPrivacy |
| 06:31.02 | bluspacecow | http://d397brh07d11ds.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/dogs-who-are-shamelessly-proud-of-what-they-just-did-1.jpg |
| 06:31.05 | Semlar | and malwaredomains |
| 06:31.11 | bluspacecow | then change -1 to -2 -3 -4 etc etc etc |
| 06:31.21 | Neffi | and that, yes |
| 06:31.28 | Neffi | Adversity fixed the white box |
| 06:31.34 | Neffi | But now I dont know which sites I should hate |
| 06:31.37 | bluspacecow | use a whats ma callit |
| 06:31.42 | bluspacecow | fiskerer ? |
| 06:31.43 | Semlar | just hate all of them |
| 06:31.50 | Neffi | >_> |
| 06:31.53 | Semlar | it's the only way to be sure |
| 06:31.57 | Neffi | k |
| 06:32.18 | bluspacecow | site that takes a URL then plots out a bunch of them based on incrementing a value in the URL |
| 06:32.21 | Neffi | I guess I hate semlar.com, eh? |
| 06:32.28 | Semlar | no you still like that one |
| 06:32.32 | Neffi | o ok |
| 06:32.41 | bluspacecow | http://d397brh07d11ds.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/dogs-who-are-shamelessly-proud-of-what-they-just-did-35.jpg |
| 06:32.41 | Neffi | ty for helping me figure out what i should hate ^_^ |
| 06:32.43 | bluspacecow | BUNNY POOP |
| 06:34.00 | Neffi | increments bluspacecow's value. |
| 06:34.12 | Neffi | ++moo; |
| 06:34.35 | bluspacecow | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 06:34.37 | bluspacecow | p |
| 06:34.47 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 06:34.50 | Semlar | moop? |
| 06:34.50 | bluspacecow | moo2 ? |
| 06:34.53 | bluspacecow | moo moo ? |
| 06:35.02 | Semlar | cows don't say "moop" |
| 06:35.05 | bluspacecow | @semlar error in my parser |
| 06:35.08 | bluspacecow | it's pascal. |
| 06:36.58 | airtonix | lolpascal |
| 06:37.42 | Semlar | pasclol? |
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| 07:32.27 | Cairenn | nice |
| 07:43.23 | bleeter | and the word was... BEARD! http://imgur.com/gallery/ufe6P3j |
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| 08:58.04 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/JSPlMs7.gif |
| 08:59.53 | bluspacecow | sneaky kitteh is sneaky |
| 09:01.08 | airtonix | this just in: german paratrooper boots better than doc martins. |
| 09:01.26 | airtonix | https://plus.google.com/102766862318438263839/posts/Mu6MdF3NP2W |
| 09:02.33 | karl_w_w | this just in: youtube is shit |
| 09:03.35 | Neffi | karl_w_w: you should run this: /nick slowpoke |
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| 09:11.57 | airtonix | karl_w_w: what version of youtube are you using? the one i'm using is awesomesauce. |
| 09:12.13 | airtonix | it's made by apple. |
| 09:12.18 | zenzio | sometimes I read changelog and end up thinking "... why?": "remove Ctrl+L (Clear Text) keybinding" |
| 09:15.22 | Neffi | mebe this be why, matey? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/304477 |
| 09:15.29 | bluspacecow | matey |
| 09:15.32 | bluspacecow | matey potatey |
| 09:15.38 | airtonix | yarrr |
| 09:15.39 | zenzio | I don't agree |
| 09:16.05 | airtonix | i dont understand zenzio |
| 09:16.10 | Neffi | Apparently the developers don't care if you agreee |
| 09:16.26 | zenzio | Neffi: I don't expect them to |
| 09:16.36 | zenzio | "I have hit Ctrl-L accidentally countless times both out of finger-fatigue and just carelessness" - I've never done with with L, W however... |
| 09:16.53 | Neffi | all keybindings suck |
| 09:16.59 | zenzio | either way, this application doesn't have any "location" feature |
| 09:17.00 | Neffi | just like all software |
| 09:17.51 | airtonix | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/304477/comments/9 |
| 09:17.55 | airtonix | anyway, just do that |
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| 09:20.46 | airtonix | Neffi: nah sublime text is much better than vi |
| 09:21.05 | airtonix | Neffi: lol using shift : then w to save a file? |
| 09:21.09 | airtonix | lolololololol |
| 09:21.15 | zenzio | "Just a moment, we're improving your Skype experience" - I doubt that |
| 09:21.22 | airtonix | what kind of stupidity is that |
| 09:22.30 | Neffi | A lot of developers would hang you for saying that, airtonix |
| 09:22.38 | Neffi | I'm glad I dont count myself among them |
| 09:22.52 | airtonix | i don't really care. in my opinion people just use vi as a macho statement |
| 09:23.01 | airtonix | "oh look i'm a leet hacker" |
| 09:23.15 | Neffi | or because they're so used to it, that it is actually the most efficient thng for them. and that's cool and all. |
| 09:23.23 | airtonix | "i can use overly complicated keyboard shortcuts that in themself a programming language" |
| 09:23.58 | Neffi | I'll take a good GUI editor anyday |
| 09:24.09 | airtonix | which is why i like sublimetext |
| 09:24.38 | Neffi | Never tried it, because I love Notepad++ enough. Sublimetext isn't compelling enough to pay for it, over all the good free stuff out there. |
| 09:24.44 | airtonix | oh you want to use ctrl + s instead of shift + : + w to save a file? |
| 09:25.00 | airtonix | Neffi: does notepad++ do python plugins? |
| 09:25.14 | Neffi | Never checked |
| 09:25.29 | nebula169 | there's a plugin for running python scripts, yes |
| 09:25.33 | zenzio | I find I rarely use plugins for editors |
| 09:26.37 | airtonix | nebula169: having a plugin to run python scripts isn't the same as having a plugin architecture built on python. gedit has a plugin to run python scripts too. |
| 09:27.48 | nebula169 | i'm not sure the difference, the python api gives full access to everything you can do in npp/scintilla/standard plugin api |
| 09:27.52 | Neffi | Like I said, not compelling enough |
| 09:28.01 | Neffi | If I want something scriptable I might use SciTE |
| 09:28.07 | airtonix | lol? |
| 09:28.13 | airtonix | scite is crap |
| 09:28.26 | Neffi | It's bad by default, but it's not really crap |
| 09:28.36 | nebula169 | its also the basis of npp? |
| 09:28.45 | Neffi | Scintilla is, not SciTE |
| 09:28.51 | nebula169 | yea |
| 09:29.06 | Neffi | SciTE is like the reference editor implementation for Scintilla |
| 09:29.26 | nevcairiel | i still wish they would finally fix support for huge files in np++ |
| 09:29.56 | Neffi | I wish NP++ was cross platform |
| 09:30.14 | nevcairiel | other editors like textpad dont even hicup when you open a several hundred mb file |
| 09:30.30 | nevcairiel | while np++ just breaks down |
| 09:30.46 | zenzio | that's not necessarily true |
| 09:30.46 | Neffi | Hmm, now it tells you that the file is too big |
| 09:31.09 | nebula169 | nevcairiel: i open ~1gb wow logs in npp to look through all the time |
| 09:31.09 | airtonix | why should it care how big a file is? |
| 09:31.12 | nevcairiel | well there is a range of files where it doesnt say that yet, but still is slow |
| 09:31.29 | nevcairiel | nebula169: everytime i do that, npp just hangs itself |
| 09:31.34 | airtonix | opens a 800mb webm file in sublimetext |
| 09:31.35 | nevcairiel | heck on 200mb or so already |
| 09:31.48 | Neffi | yeah it didnt handle install-amd64-minimal-20131010.iso too gracefully |
| 09:31.59 | zenzio | both Firefox and Chrome crashed when I tried to open a 179 MB XML file |
| 09:32.26 | nevcairiel | i specifically installed textpad because npp failed at opening some of the big log files |
| 09:32.57 | zenzio | Komodo Edit is generally smart about large files, going "whoa, I know this file is XML, but it's also way large, so fuck highlighting" |
| 09:33.25 | zenzio | also; Skype... I don't see how spending 10 minutes on "Signing in..." is improving my experience |
| 09:33.41 | nevcairiel | server down? |
| 09:33.43 | Neffi | It's improving your experience, because you're not using Skype |
| 09:34.00 | zenzio | nevcairiel: I would expect it to give an error if it was, but I can't guarantee anything |
| 09:36.01 | zenzio | do you guys tend to only have one file visible in your editors? I've come to always splitting the window vertically into two views, if the program allows |
| 09:36.52 | nevcairiel | i use that only when directly referencing a second file, or comparing |
| 09:37.22 | airtonix | nah always more than one |
| 09:37.31 | Neffi | I commonly have two side by side, yes |
| 09:37.33 | airtonix | split in two or three columns |
| 09:38.02 | nevcairiel | i have plenty files open in tabs, but not usually multiple columns like that |
| 09:38.02 | airtonix | regularly have two projects on different workspaces |
| 09:38.14 | nevcairiel | more likely spread into different windows on the other screens |
| 09:38.25 | Neffi | I sometimes have the same file open twice side by side. NP++ handles that very well. |
| 09:38.58 | airtonix | i tried notepad++ once, found the toolbar to be quaint. |
| 09:39.13 | Neffi | who keeps their toolbars enabled anymore? |
| 09:39.24 | airtonix | notepadd++ users? |
| 09:39.25 | nebula169 | they just take up vertical space! |
| 09:39.42 | Neffi | keybindings, or the menu for lesser used functions |
| 09:39.53 | Neffi | I dont see the point of triple redundancy. Toolbars just piss me off. |
| 09:39.58 | nevcairiel | its not like i ever use the toolbar, but somehow i also never turned it off |
| 09:40.04 | nevcairiel | but its only like 20 pixels |
| 09:40.11 | nevcairiel | and my screen is 30" |
| 09:40.13 | nevcairiel | so meh |
| 09:40.27 | airtonix | the other awesome thing i like about sublimetext is the command pallete. |
| 09:41.02 | airtonix | work just like search in gnome-shell overview |
| 09:41.27 | airtonix | or the new app menu in ubuntu unity |
| 09:43.35 | airtonix | so it ends up that I don't really use very many traditional keyboard shortcuts. I mostly "search type" the commands |
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| 10:27.15 | jleclanche | can you use `cut' on a string without echoing the string? (so as to avoid a second process spawned) |
| 10:28.39 | nevcairiel | pipe the string in from wherever it came from before? |
| 10:29.58 | jleclanche | i cant, its user-provided |
| 10:30.35 | nevcairiel | well it doesnt seem to be able to read a string from cmdline |
| 10:31.11 | nevcairiel | so either pipe it in, which would need an echo i guess |
| 10:31.19 | jleclanche | meh |
| 10:31.28 | nevcairiel | or use another tool for the job |
| 10:31.51 | nevcairiel | although reading input data on cmdline is rather uncommon |
| 10:50.55 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/FkyeUMA.jpg |
| 10:51.00 | Neffi | glorious |
| 10:54.31 | nevcairiel | old though |
| 10:54.38 | nevcairiel | i bet i even saw it here |
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| 10:58.08 | bleeter | these guys should've played blizzcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpRoVxH2jc |
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| 11:24.27 | karl_w_w | why, because they can cover overrated songs? |
| 11:59.04 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/FlzPp02.jpg |
| 12:00.06 | zenzio | lol |
| 12:00.56 | Neffi | I refuse to believe this man can feel guilt |
| 12:01.11 | zenzio | why? |
| 12:01.29 | Neffi | he redefined evil |
| 12:01.33 | zenzio | how? |
| 12:01.44 | Neffi | He got incredibly good at getting you to like a character, and then killing that character horribly |
| 12:01.46 | Neffi | That's just foul |
| 12:02.27 | zenzio | I think that's actually somewhat cool, as long as you have several other characters. Gets boring when nothing out of the ordinary happens |
| 12:02.36 | nevcairiel | tbh i kinda like the contrast to most other series where the popular characters are just untouchable and you always know from the start that they'll get out of their misery somehow |
| 12:02.48 | zenzio | ^this |
| 12:02.50 | Neffi | Oh I don't contest that he's one of the world's finest actors |
| 12:02.58 | Neffi | Certainly my favorite and I fucking love the books so far |
| 12:03.15 | Neffi | But it hurts when the character you really want to survive doesnt |
| 12:03.24 | zenzio | that said, I will never forgive him if the fouls up Arya |
| 12:03.31 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 12:03.43 | nevcairiel | seriously, arya is too sweet to just die |
| 12:03.43 | Neffi | I dont know if I can keep reading if he chooses to kill her |
| 12:03.55 | airtonix | til actors are the people who write stories |
| 12:04.10 | Neffi | queso? |
| 12:04.14 | karl_w_w | it's called an autobiography airtonix |
| 12:04.19 | zenzio | you typoed it earlier Neffi |
| 12:04.21 | karl_w_w | and no, they don't write them |
| 12:04.35 | Neffi | oh, i see |
| 12:04.36 | airtonix | neffi just called george r martin a brilliant actor |
| 12:04.44 | zenzio | well, maybe he is |
| 12:04.45 | Neffi | in my defense it's 7 AM and I havent slept in 24 hours |
| 12:04.53 | karl_w_w | til there's only one R |
| 12:05.28 | airtonix | george r de r r r martin |
| 12:05.32 | zenzio | J.R.R., G.R.R., I'm seeing a pattern |
| 12:05.54 | Neffi | you know they both actually had two middle names that started with R, right? |
| 12:06.10 | airtonix | half life 3 confimed |
| 12:06.16 | zenzio | anyhow, by the end of long-running TV shows, the actors do seem to get to somewhat write/direct episodes... usually not with good results |
| 12:06.30 | zenzio | Neffi: yes |
| 12:06.35 | karl_w_w | I like how I have to restart utorrent every time I want to add a new magnet link |
| 12:06.36 | nevcairiel | Neffi: of course they do, they dont usually invent initialis without names behind them :p |
| 12:06.48 | airtonix | looool utorrent |
| 12:07.00 | Neffi | Really? Lots of famous people ignore rules and all logic when choosing names |
| 12:07.00 | zenzio | karl_w_w: really? |
| 12:07.08 | karl_w_w | truly |
| 12:07.12 | karl_w_w | madly deeply |
| 12:08.02 | airtonix | i hear the riaa make good software karl_w_w |
| 12:08.13 | zenzio | "mad" is a word I don't quite like in English. Occasionally I have trouble deciding if someone means angry or crazy |
| 12:08.46 | Neffi | You mean English can sometimes be ambiguous? Yeah, right |
| 12:08.53 | nevcairiel | zenzio: how about both |
| 12:09.18 | zenzio | that's possible, never thought of that |
| 12:09.26 | karl_w_w | it's usually pretty obvious :P |
| 12:09.38 | zenzio | karl_w_w: hence "occasionally" |
| 12:09.42 | Neffi | As somebody that's mad, I like the word mad a lot more than crazy |
| 12:09.50 | karl_w_w | umad? |
| 12:10.08 | Neffi | yeah a bit |
| 12:13.13 | karl_w_w | it's because you don't lift |
| 12:14.59 | Neffi | you dont know me! |
| 12:15.07 | Neffi | lifts his drink. |
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| 12:45.10 | bleeter | rawr http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/dec/09/nsa-files-games-virtual-environments-paper-pdf |
| 12:47.31 | bleeter | 'GCHQ ... has produced exploitation modules for XboxLive World of Warcraft' |
| 12:47.41 | bleeter | bah bad paste... nyways |
| 12:53.58 | bleeter | "We are unaware of any surveillance taking place," said a spokesman for Blizzard Entertainment. "If it was, it would have been done without our knowledge or permission." |
| 12:54.10 | bleeter | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/nsa-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life |
| 12:55.17 | bleeter | props to blizz for giving the grauniad a quote, unlike the other vendors mentioned |
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| 16:31.02 | Fisker | hugtackles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:34.19 | bluipodcow | Goot moaning Lopeppeppy. How is your fish today? |
| 16:35.36 | Fisker | She didn't get any fish bluipodcow |
| 16:35.52 | bluipodcow | Well |
| 16:35.58 | bluipodcow | Hurry up then |
| 16:36.33 | Shirik | omfg this is the best ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfvPPPc_UTs#t=154 |
| 16:36.37 | Shirik | er |
| 16:36.40 | Shirik | take off the t=154 |
| 16:36.46 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfvPPPc_UTs |
| 16:38.36 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:38.41 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:38.43 | Fisker | sorry :( |
| 16:38.49 | Fisker | Social heritage demands it |
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| 16:44.41 | Fisker | They need a better cover story Shirik |
| 16:45.06 | pompy1 | http://ustream.tv/NASAJPL Curiosity Rover update in 15 minutes |
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| 16:56.33 | Shirik | Date of Birth: Please use the format xx/xx/xxxx |
| 16:56.39 | Shirik | Possibly most useless instructions ever |
| 16:58.13 | TC-Work | No. |
| 16:59.24 | Fisker | You know the year comes last Shirik |
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| 17:04.06 | Semlar | should be xx/xx/xx |
| 17:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, everypeople. I am hunting a functional ice scraper - my car is a solid sheet of frozen water-based DDOS. |
| 17:04.51 | Semlar | flamethrower? |
| 17:04.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy. |
| 17:05.09 | AcidWeb | Lopeppeppy: Try leaving a vehicle and enter once more. |
| 17:05.33 | Lopeppeppy | I can't reboot it if I can't get into it! *laugh* |
| 17:05.53 | Semlar | spatula? |
| 17:06.05 | Fisker | just use water Lopeppeppy |
| 17:06.21 | Lopeppeppy | Warm salt water, probably. I just wish it would stop with the freezing rain for a while. Winter is so wintery! |
| 17:06.31 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:06.33 | Fisker | sucks |
| 17:07.06 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: http://www.quirky.com/shop/72-Thor-Ice-Scraper |
| 17:11.04 | karl_w_w | http://tastykitchen.com/blog/2011/01/step-by-step-grandma-inezs-pineapple-pie/ fuckin amazing |
| 17:11.11 | Lopeppeppy | I have an ice plow that looks a bit like that, Fisker. I'm just waiting for the freezing rain to stop so that I'm scraping it all off, not just the top layer. |
| 17:11.32 | Fisker | :o? |
| 17:18.30 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Z6tv7cQmM |
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| 17:20.35 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Z6tv7cQmM |
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| 17:28.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh gods save me, the cats are arguing over who gets to help me by sitting on my paperwork. |
| 17:28.27 | Aeger73 | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/nsa-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life |
| 17:29.05 | Fisker | hisses at Lopeppeppy's cat |
| 17:32.41 | Maldivia | NSA must have had a field day back in vanilla, when evryone was bombing ironforge, or later that year, when everyone was doing bio warfare, by spreading corrupted blood plague everywhere... |
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| 17:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | I remember the corrupted blood plague! *laugh* |
| 17:51.01 | Fisker | Well of course, it's like a monthly recurrence for you |
| 17:51.20 | Fisker | approaches ludicrous speed |
| 17:53.13 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 17:53.37 | Fisker | Can't be caught now |
| 17:54.10 | Fisker | Though it dawned on me I probably shouldn't piss off a lot of people who might be going to Blizzcon in 2014 |
| 17:54.31 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG3W7jNA8Zg&hd=1 |
| 17:55.25 | Fisker | ok I lost it mikma |
| 18:00.29 | mikma | fisker: http://youtu.be/Q5okb9Vc8SY |
| 18:01.20 | Fisker | heh |
| 18:03.35 | Fisker | I think she was not amused bluipodcow :( |
| 18:03.55 | bluipodcow | Wat |
| 18:04.18 | bluipodcow | Fisker at blizzcons ? |
| 18:04.34 | Fisker | nah bluipodcow |
| 18:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | Because I'm gonna kill him first. |
| 18:06.46 | Fisker | roh roh |
| 18:07.15 | Fisker | Give a man a fish and you will feed him for a day |
| 18:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | Give him a rod and he'll help you beat him to death. |
| 18:07.32 | Fisker | Make fun of his reproductive system and you will get murdered |
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| 18:12.07 | mikma | http://youtu.be/TNSXFt74bqw |
| 18:12.11 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/ccF855h.jpg <-I am locutus of borg |
| 18:15.22 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 18:16.15 | Fisker | So how will you murder me Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | I will overcharge your lazers until you explode. |
| 18:17.01 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/iyyhdsH.gif |
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| 18:33.34 | Semlar | 5.4.2 got pushed fast |
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| 18:50.25 | Semlar | i don't suppose there's an online version of the ptr's framexml |
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| 19:03.31 | bleeter | has anyone got a hack so LFR and the Dungeon Journal can be opened at the same time? (presuming 5.4.2 has same behaviour as previous) because trying to work out look crap without being able to have both windows open is a bit annoying |
| 19:03.46 | bleeter | .s/look/loot/ |
| 19:04.54 | nevcairiel | the dungeon journal is a full size panel thing, it closes all other UI panels, thats just how the panel system works |
| 19:05.26 | bleeter | so that's a big fat no? bugger :-/ thx for response though nevcairiel, appreciated |
| 19:06.24 | nevcairiel | you could probably hack it not to do that |
| 19:06.26 | nevcairiel | but shrug |
| 19:07.11 | bleeter | might give it a go later, it's got to the point where forgetting to ask about it was becoming more annoying than the behaviour itself =) |
| 19:08.03 | Semlar | i just got on the ptr and started working on an addon to replace the raid browser |
| 19:08.11 | Semlar | lovin the changes they made |
| 19:08.15 | karl_w_w | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/17658 Semlar |
| 19:08.17 | Aeger73 | did PTR just go down? |
| 19:08.22 | Semlar | yeah |
| 19:09.23 | Semlar | would naming it NoQueue be in bad taste |
| 19:11.22 | Semlar | well, the korean server is up |
| 19:13.34 | Semlar | i like that the default ui is throwing lua errors with no addons loaded |
| 19:15.08 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/1gJ5VQZ LOL |
| 19:15.48 | Semlar | actually i'm intrigued that you can browse a huge number of raids that you can't list yourself for |
| 19:17.24 | Semlar | i wonder if you can get into them using the api |
| 19:18.16 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/oScU6b3.png |
| 19:19.00 | Semlar | what is this a sketch for cyanide and happiness |
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| 19:22.30 | Fisker | C&H is already basically a sketch :3 |
| 19:22.39 | Semlar | >_> |
| 19:22.55 | Semlar | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1580/ |
| 19:28.09 | Primer | Seriously though...why would terrorists use WoW for "secret communications"? There are far better and safer ways. |
| 19:28.20 | Semlar | NAME ONE |
| 19:28.28 | Fisker | chatroulette |
| 19:28.32 | Primer | gpg encrypted email? |
| 19:28.45 | Fisker | that's crazy talk Primer |
| 19:28.47 | Fisker | Look |
| 19:28.58 | Fisker | Their bosses walked in on them playing WoW all day |
| 19:28.58 | Fisker | what else could they do? |
| 19:29.05 | Primer | I wonder if a "secure chat" addon has ever been developed |
| 19:29.12 | Fisker | "Yes, we're doing this.... for terrorism" |
| 19:31.01 | Primer | Could it possibly be true that a terrorist might just like video games? |
| 19:31.51 | Primer | and trying to link "accounts, characters and guilds" to Islamic extremism and arms dealing efforts. |
| 19:31.57 | Primer | bwahahaa |
| 19:32.04 | Primer | I'm going to start a new guild named Arms Dealers |
| 19:32.13 | Primer | We'll only allow warriors |
| 19:32.29 | Primer | and if one of your specs isn't arms, you get gkicked |
| 19:37.32 | Semlar | both specs |
| 19:40.57 | Fisker | I'm a rebel |
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| 19:41.15 | Fisker | throws warm water on Lopeppeppy's car |
| 19:41.18 | Fisker | I'm an adult |
| 19:43.34 | Lopeppeppy | Can you be both, Fisker? |
| 19:43.41 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 19:43.53 | Fisker | One is a mental state the other is a legal one |
| 19:46.55 | TC-Work | I'm not sure 'rebel' is a mental state |
| 19:52.43 | Fisker | it can be |
| 19:52.46 | Fisker | so can adult |
| 19:52.52 | Fisker | But it wasn't in this sense of the word |
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| 20:05.09 | TC-Work | But it has to do with actions, not thought. |
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| 20:18.06 | phelps | is it possible to have your own custom flyout ? |
| 20:18.20 | ccox | Cairenn: http://lovemeow.com/2013/11/swiffer-cat/ |
| 20:18.39 | phelps | using ActionButtonTemplate and prefixally not using custom xml |
| 20:18.53 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 20:25.01 | ccox | also: http://lovemeow.com/2013/12/kitten-vs-newspaper/ |
| 20:27.49 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 20:28.07 | Cairenn | That's the type of help I'm going to get shortly as I begin to wrap Christmas presents |
| 20:38.52 | bleeter | So I just made a Suggestion for 6.0 - "I'm With Stupid" Tabard. Defeat every boss in random LFR groups with at least three stacks of Determination |
| 20:40.13 | Amarande | bleeter: you know, I've thought of things like that in the past |
| 20:40.27 | Amarande | another idea might be special rewards for cutting a boss as close to the berserk timer as possible |
| 20:40.36 | Amarande | (or even for defeating a boss after berserk) |
| 20:40.48 | Amarande | however, the usual response to such ideas seems to be on the lines of "but then you reward people for sucking" :| |
| 20:41.53 | nevcairiel | noo, people will wipe intentionally to get that |
| 20:41.56 | Amarande | (my thought meanwhile, of course, is that the special rewards are deserved because if you had to really work and coordinate to defeat the boss, you *should* have a higher reward than some overgeared rabble who can get away with more mindless zerg type tactics) |
| 20:42.14 | Amarande | nevcairiel: that may actually be a good thing :) |
| 20:42.25 | bleeter | for those paying attention, FreeBSD has decided to treat Intel's RNG as 'untrusted' |
| 20:42.28 | Amarande | nevcairiel: consider this, if people are goaded into wiping more often, that's more gold that goes away on repair bills, which slows down inflation |
| 20:43.11 | Amarande | and as the auction house shows these days ... WoW has been desperately lacking in sufficient means of getting people to spend their money in large quantities lately :| |
| 20:44.21 | Amarande | in fact, it's actually caused people to make *fewer* major investments in many ways (especially with say the expensive vanity mounts only needing to be obtained once ever per account) |
| 20:44.46 | Amarande | people wiping intentionally is probably an annoying thing, but increased repair investments would be welcome |
| 20:45.36 | Amarande | also in the same light, I would suggest 6.0 should ditch the revered and exalted price break tiers and go back to how it used to be where 10% was the best you got |
| 20:46.41 | Amarande | in any case, one thing they should be looking at in general for 6.0 is increased gold sinking |
| 20:48.27 | Amarande | basically most other MMOs have some means of keeping the ever expanding influx of coin in check, but not WoW, and it shows :| |
| 20:51.31 | Ermad | the BMAH was an attempt at that. I know a few people in my guild that have bough items on there for 1mil (or w/e that cap is). |
| 20:55.56 | Semlar | it has one, you can only hold a million gold |
| 20:56.44 | Amarande | Yeah, but that's like saying the 2 billion or so price cap in D3 'keeps prices in check' |
| 20:56.52 | Amarande | although D3 ... well, let's see how other games handle it besides WoW |
| 20:57.24 | Amarande | D2 had for a long time lower caps, and there's also the fact that in softcore most people tend to die a few times a day and lose loads of gold that way (or Gheed takes it, heh) |
| 20:57.36 | Semlar | i thought they were moving away from gold as a means for anything important to make buying it less appealing |
| 20:57.48 | Amarande | D3 just is pretty stingy about handing out gold (as anyone who tries to play without the aid of buying some money from RMAH knows pretty well ...) |
| 20:58.20 | Amarande | SW:TOR seems to have managed to actually leverage its F2P model as a means of keeping prices under some level of control, from what I've seen |
| 20:58.43 | Amarande | (since having an unlimited credits balance is a subscriber-only feature, so subs have to keep prices under control in order to be able to sell to the large F2P player market) |
| 20:58.52 | Semlar | if you create a bunch of gold dumps now you have people who need gold |
| 20:59.14 | Amarande | And LOTRO seems to do it mostly by creating a huge level of dependence on vendors for particular matters |
| 20:59.31 | nevcairiel | from the looks of it the garrison will also require gold for upgrades |
| 20:59.54 | nevcairiel | and they regularly add crafted mounts that cost tens of thousands in vendor mats |
| 21:00.12 | Amarande | nevcairiel: yeah, that's what I was noting earlier |
| 21:00.24 | Amarande | they do do that, but on the other hand, they sabotaged its best effectiveness by making every mount be a once-ever investment |
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| 21:01.36 | Amarande | hell I've basically started my career on Illidan probably something over 10k gold in the black, just counting the value of all the mounts I have access to from previous server play |
| 21:01.52 | Amarande | which I would have had to spend if there hadn't been account wide mounts :) |
| 21:02.34 | Ermad | think the lack of repair bills is one of the biggest factors. almost all guilds provide gbank repairs because of the perks added in cata. |
| 21:02.41 | Amarande | and the other reverberations of that system (e.g., every character you have with only 150% flight who's riding on a lovely prestige mount bought from your main, that's 4k gold you didn't have to spend to ride that) |
| 21:02.53 | bleeter | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/PUSDPY7.gif |
| 21:03.01 | Cairenn | awww |
| 21:03.09 | bleeter | TUMMY RUB TIEM! |
| 21:03.32 | Amarande | Ermad: yeah, the bonus guild bank money |
| 21:04.02 | Amarande | (it is a bonus, right? I remember at first they were proposing it be a tax where some of the money would be taken away from members and auto-donated to the gbank, but that quite naturally pissed off too many people) |
| 21:04.15 | Ermad | yea, its a bonus. |
| 21:04.26 | Amarande | yeah, that's what happens when a feature ends up in there half-baked |
| 21:04.47 | Amarande | suggestion, ditch that one altogether (they could have dumped that instead of something useful like the have guild will travel feature that everyone misses now) |
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| 21:05.02 | Ermad | now durability/repair is just an annoyance of getting someone to drop a Jeeves every 10 pulls. people dont care about it at all besides that |
| 21:05.19 | Semlar | good |
| 21:06.03 | Amarande | It probably would have actually been balanced if it were a tax, but yeah, that basically means players who join a guild can easily be worse off, depending on how the officers are with the guild bank :P |
| 21:06.32 | Amarande | "oh, yeah, by the way, we have the feature where 5% of your questing gold gets taken away from you, but NO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE GUILD BANK MONEY FOR OFFICERS ONLY hey thanks for the gold dude" |
| 21:07.04 | Amarande | I've been lucky enough never to land in one, but I'm quite aware there's some pretty bad guilds out there :) |
| 21:07.46 | Mr_Rabies | they don't take the gold away, bonus gold is created |
| 21:07.51 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I mean |
| 21:08.16 | Amarande | IIRC, it was meant to be a tax, they found that was too fraught with inherent drama issues, so they just made it add the money to the gbank without taking anything away from the player |
| 21:08.27 | Amarande | which is, as noted, a major contributor to the economic mess we're in now :) |
| 21:09.22 | Amarande | so what I would suggest would be to get rid of the guild income perk altogether |
| 21:09.58 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i think it's nice to be able to provide for repairs |
| 21:10.05 | Amarande | yeah, that's valid |
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| 21:10.17 | Amarande | perhaps consider giving the axe to the price break guild perk, as well |
| 21:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | the economic mess is just the symptom of and end-of expansion lifecycle |
| 21:10.27 | Mr_Rabies | an* |
| 21:10.58 | Mr_Rabies | when WoD comes out, gold will circulate, inflation will occur, and gold sinks will sink gold again |
| 21:11.06 | Amarande | actually if anything that price break guild perk has even more deleterious effect than just inflation |
| 21:11.13 | Amarande | it should be suggested for termination anyway |
| 21:11.42 | Amarande | it's probably one of the single greatest promoters of giant rowdy kitchen-sink recruit every stranger from /2 guilds :P |
| 21:11.43 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really see why, i like it |
| 21:11.56 | Amarande | and on the flip side, it actively discourages people from forming small, close-knit guilds with friends |
| 21:12.22 | Mr_Rabies | that's not an issue on my server, there's way too many small guilds |
| 21:12.27 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: because, especially when selling the aforementioned mounts that use super expensive vendor mats, it puts small guilds at an inherent competitive disadvantage |
| 21:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | that never get a chance to raid because no one ever wants to merge |
| 21:12.50 | Amarande | as the people in mega kitchen sink guilds that are almost always level 25 get to get their mats at reduced price |
| 21:13.29 | Amarande | and from what I've seen those mounts usually rapidly price drop to the point where you can barely make a good margin even if you have every imaginable vendor discount perk, it's practically impossible to make any money at all if you have to pay non-perk rates |
| 21:13.50 | Amarande | it's why people resorted to duping in cata for the vial mats :| |
| 21:14.02 | Mr_Rabies | that's a pretty minor issue imo |
| 21:14.19 | Mr_Rabies | gold sinks being goldsinkier for guilds that aren't 25 yet really isn't a big deal |
| 21:14.26 | Mr_Rabies | it takes no time at all to get to 25 |
| 21:15.20 | karl_w_w | .:Primer:. I'm going to start a new guild named Arms Dealers |
| 21:15.21 | karl_w_w | .:Primer:. We'll only allow warriors <- no room for assassination rogues? |
| 21:15.33 | Amarande | I was thinking more that it basically means being in a 24+ guild is a virtual prerequisite for being able to sell crafted mounts at all, though |
| 21:15.55 | Amarande | otherwise, the people who are get their mats at too much lower of a price for you to afford to compete with them |
| 21:16.14 | Amarande | so their mounts will always be the ones to sell and yours will always sit, until you sell at a loss |
| 21:17.20 | Amarande | karl_w_w: subtlety rogues would be more appropriate, if I remember the current DPS ladder correctly |
| 21:17.38 | Fisker | :'( |
| 21:17.42 | Amarande | assuming you're remarking based on arms warriors being rather .. er .. disadvantaged atm |
| 21:17.58 | Fisker | Good bye Lopeppeppy :( |
| 21:18.05 | Fisker | and good night |
| 21:18.25 | kd3|hate`net | heh, it's been a year: http://i.imgur.com/GTMh9Cd.jpg |
| 21:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | it really doesn't take much time to get to 25 anymore since they removed the cap |
| 21:19.10 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly think there should be fewer small guilds |
| 21:19.23 | Mr_Rabies | there are way too many as is |
| 21:19.26 | Amarande | eh |
| 21:19.44 | Amarande | one of WoW's (and also games with similar gameplay to WoW) good features has been the ability for small guilds to be viable |
| 21:19.51 | Mr_Rabies | they still are, just less so |
| 21:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with that |
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| 21:19.59 | Amarande | so people don't *have* to join giant anonymous kitchen sinks |
| 21:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's perfectly fine to reward larger social guilds and not reward guilds that choose to close themselves off for no good reason |
| 21:20.51 | Amarande | like on pre-WoW MMORPGs (EQ paradigm type) it was apparently practically the norm most of the time for a server to be dominated by one or two huge ... cartels is almost the proper term at that point more than guilds is :| |
| 21:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | especially since the reward is so minor, it's almost a non-issue |
| 21:21.30 | Amarande | I've heard the horror stories of EQ where basically guilds got to the size that access to certain rarer spawn materials etc. practically became an exclusive membership perk |
| 21:22.12 | Amarande | mind you it probably can't get that far in WoW (especially since the PvP model mostly prevents it), but that was a pretty sad case |
| 21:22.49 | Aeger73 | we did that when I played EQ, was tyop guild on our server, we cock blocked the Emperor and no one else was able to progress |
| 21:23.20 | Amarande | Aeger73: which really isn't good for the game as a whole, though :) |
| 21:23.32 | Mr_Rabies | you can't really do that in WoW though |
| 21:23.35 | Aeger73 | It was a heated rivalry with 2nd place guild |
| 21:23.40 | Mr_Rabies | everything important is instanced |
| 21:23.51 | Amarande | At least in WoW it's not nearly so possible to do that, in older MMOs it was much more of a problem because people trying to tread on the dominant guilds' 'turf' could actually be killed for it |
| 21:23.53 | Aeger73 | ohh the drama from back then lol |
| 21:24.08 | Amarande | but in WoW, you can't go that far because you can't intra-faction PvP most of the time |
| 21:24.15 | bleeter | airtonix: https://twitter.com/stilgherrian/status/410156884340260865 |
| 21:24.20 | Mr_Rabies | i think there should be more large guilds with multiple raid teams imo |
| 21:24.26 | bleeter | oh and karl_w_w: https://twitter.com/stilgherrian/status/410156884340260865 |
| 21:24.47 | Amarande | and there are reasons to keep a guild small |
| 21:24.56 | Amarande | actually I've been reading The Guild Leader's Handbook or whatever it's called lately |
| 21:24.57 | bleeter | an australian state government has started a 'Gaming leads to gambling' advertising campaign |
| 21:25.02 | Aeger73 | raiding was hard croe back then I was a recruit for 3 months before I got in my guild hehe |
| 21:25.04 | bleeter | notes he is not from that state |
| 21:25.12 | Aeger73 | *core |
| 21:25.25 | Amarande | bleeter: good gods, what has happened to Aus lately |
| 21:25.28 | Aeger73 | I dont miss 6 hours a night though |
| 21:25.40 | bleeter | Amarande: the trolls took over |
| 21:25.41 | Amarande | I keep hearing of various crazy things happening down your neck of the woods |
| 21:25.54 | Mr_Rabies | i'm tired of guilds every night recruiting tanks for their "new guild" |
| 21:26.00 | Amarande | and try to resist the 'baked brain' joke, of course (although I do know your summers are legendarily hot) |
| 21:26.10 | Mr_Rabies | when the server population can't even handle the number of guilds on the server as is |
| 21:26.12 | bleeter | nothing crazy about Tasmania happening, 'cept fining people for protesting far more $$ than what Putin does |
| 21:26.30 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: well on the flip side you get huge guilds that can't field a raid group |
| 21:26.59 | Amarande | the one I was in on Ysera (still am, but I don't play WoW at the moment) had something like 700+ characters (and a fairly low human:character ratio, I think roughly between 1:2 and 1:3) |
| 21:27.16 | Mr_Rabies | ours is pretty big and has some difficulty fielding a raid group, because every moron thinks he can make a raiding guild |
| 21:27.27 | Amarande | and well ... I left the game late last winter, they were starting to assemble the group but had not enough tanks and healers, mainly |
| 21:27.29 | Mr_Rabies | so raiders get tied up in unstable small guilds, never raid, and lose interest |
| 21:27.50 | Amarande | I came back for a couple months in autumn, they STILL didn't have tanks and healers for raiding :P |
| 21:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | instead we're keeping members around that are somewhat toxic because recruitment is impossible |
| 21:28.21 | Mr_Rabies | at least raid recruitment |
| 21:28.39 | karl_w_w | I got em good bleeter |
| 21:28.47 | Mr_Rabies | we've got 534 members and some nights we cancel raids because we can't get a 10th if one of our raiders doesn't show |
| 21:29.20 | Mr_Rabies | we lately will swap down to flex instead |
| 21:29.34 | Mr_Rabies | but no one really needs anything apart from tier from flex nowadays |
| 21:30.09 | Amarande | hm, don't mounts/minipets usually drop on flex? |
| 21:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | i wish more people would just raid :| |
| 21:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's not hard |
| 21:30.30 | Mr_Rabies | they're convincing themselves that it's too complex or something |
| 21:30.40 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: might be a matter of player attitude |
| 21:30.43 | bleeter | reminds self to get a copy of Mr_Rabies's 'EZ GUIDE TO DURID TANKING' ebook at some stage |
| 21:30.47 | Aeger73 | I havent raided at all in MoP |
| 21:30.47 | Mr_Rabies | but finding a good flex 4 run on openraid is next to impossible |
| 21:30.53 | Amarande | specific to WoW, pretty much. |
| 21:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'll give you a free copy, bleeter |
| 21:31.15 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: with autograph? :D |
| 21:31.17 | Amarande | I mean, you look at something like SW:TOR, and it's not all that difficult to get a hardmodes or raiding group with reasonable gear |
| 21:31.22 | alestane | Has anyone else noticed that Firefox has starting resolving hover styles as if the mouse were slightly off position? |
| 21:31.26 | Mr_Rabies | 1) mash every key on the keyboard, you have like 5 bear-specific abilities and all have cooldowns, so you can just mash them and win |
| 21:31.34 | Amarande | on the other hand, in WoW, so many groups practically demand maxed out gear and achievement just to raid in the first place :P |
| 21:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | not exactly, but pretty much |
| 21:31.58 | Mr_Rabies | savage defense and frenzied regen are really the only things that require any thought as a bear tank |
| 21:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | the rest all have cooldowns and you might as well just slap them, minimize maul if you're low on rage |
| 21:32.15 | Amarande | well, of course you should just be able to mash them and win. bear paws aren't exactly small and accurate-typing, now are they? :D |
| 21:32.30 | Aeger73 | My whole guild is gone im in my own lvl 25 guild by myself heh. Seems like I play world of Tillers farm craft lately and work on my UI |
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| 21:33.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'd transfer that to a bank alt and then get your main in something active, Aeger73 |
| 21:33.18 | Amarande | like, of course people are going to feel discouraged about raiding, when it's insanely hard to find a raid group more than a week or two after patch that isn't ridiculously demanding |
| 21:33.24 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: cheers, will start trying next week. Hopefully the 'gtfonubtanklol /kick' won't happen too much. |
| 21:33.36 | Mr_Rabies | it probably won't |
| 21:33.39 | Amarande | and then you have the feeble efforts of the scattered people who aren't gear-ist to try to get together and form a raid :S |
| 21:34.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm third tank on dark shamans in my dps gear, totally reforged for mastery |
| 21:34.07 | Mr_Rabies | and still have zero issues |
| 21:34.16 | Aeger73 | Maybe, ive been a little jaded about looking for a new guild. and too timid to go raid by myself. |
| 21:34.18 | karl_w_w | blizz needs to get cracking on titan cos wow isnt gonna last too much longer |
| 21:34.32 | karl_w_w | well it's last, but not as the powerhouse it is |
| 21:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | if you enjoy raiding, seek it out, Aeger73 |
| 21:34.46 | Mr_Rabies | there are tons of guilds recruiting |
| 21:34.51 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: oh probably not. Without an incentive for DPS/Heals to not be impatient and rude to new tanks, it won't change and LFG waiting on tanks won't either |
| 21:34.55 | Amarande | well, yeah, the point is you don't really NEED perfect gear to raid |
| 21:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | do your research, get into flex raids |
| 21:35.05 | Amarande | but you do need a GROUP to raid, and too many groups DEMAND perfect gear |
| 21:35.06 | bleeter | LFG/LFD |
| 21:35.12 | bleeter | LFR blah |
| 21:35.18 | Mr_Rabies | LFR and flex are a nice ilvl boost |
| 21:35.24 | Mr_Rabies | and timeless isle |
| 21:35.27 | Amarande | it's something that makes me especially glad that Ten Ton Hammer got their comeuppance |
| 21:35.40 | Amarande | never mind the addon theft incident, they had it coming ever since they permanently warped the character of WoW with GearScore :P |
| 21:35.46 | Mr_Rabies | i was like, 540 in the first week of 5.4 |
| 21:35.52 | Mr_Rabies | with no heroic gear prior |
| 21:36.00 | Mr_Rabies | and honestly pisspoor progression in the tier prior |
| 21:36.09 | Mr_Rabies | just from timeless gear and lfr and flex |
| 21:36.56 | Mr_Rabies | thing is, it does require better gear if the guild is further progressed, 540 would work in the first week or so because the guild's probably gonna work on the first 2-3 bosses at most |
| 21:37.01 | Amarande | they really need to get the squish on, and they really should have it apply to current gear |
| 21:37.22 | Amarande | as I understand it, they're mostly only doing the stat squish to present stuff and 90-100 will still be on a 'ye shall be as gods' basis like now |
| 21:37.29 | Mr_Rabies | that's not true at all |
| 21:37.43 | Mr_Rabies | the majority of the squish will be on 1-80 gear or so, actually |
| 21:37.48 | kd3 | the squish applies to all gear |
| 21:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | gear from wrath will be roughly equal to gear from vanilla raids, as i understand it |
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| 21:38.21 | Amarande | I keep thinking part of the raid gear attitude thing is because the delta between gear tiers is so massive nowadays |
| 21:38.24 | kd3 | what you're thinking of, amarande, is that current (that is, warlords-level) tiers will still have big jumps between them |
| 21:38.33 | bleeter | lol "I bet (the NSA) set up a taskforce (to search for) find Mankrik's Wife" |
| 21:38.40 | Mr_Rabies | the delta between gear tiers is a good thing, tbh |
| 21:38.48 | Mr_Rabies | it requires some readjusting from time to time |
| 21:38.52 | Mr_Rabies | but it's good to feel each upgrade |
| 21:38.56 | Amarande | well, I look back to the earlier expansions, and the delta was much less marked in absolute terms |
| 21:39.07 | Mr_Rabies | if you get a new piece of gear and you're doing like, .5% more dps than the previous piece |
| 21:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | that's not any fun |
| 21:39.10 | Amarande | (in relative terms, it's probably not changed quite as jarringly) |
| 21:39.13 | kd3 | oh? http://wowpedia.org/Item_squish |
| 21:39.44 | Mr_Rabies | not true at all, upgrades have always been pretty big except in cases where itemization sucked |
| 21:39.57 | Amarande | Well, in vanilla, the difference between entry level epics at 60 and the best of the best was only about 25 item levels |
| 21:40.08 | Amarande | You go through 25 ilvls in ONE TIER nowadays |
| 21:40.21 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but that was 25 of how many item levels? |
| 21:40.39 | Mr_Rabies | a flat number means nothing |
| 21:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | itemization in vanilla sucked so many classes wouldn't scale with good gear, but the proper design should have similar power scaling with gear for all classes, and any important upgrade should feel good |
| 21:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | 25 levels out of 580 or so is nothing compared to 25 out of ~90 ilvls |
| 21:44.00 | Mr_Rabies | it was just the tiers were so spaced out in vanilla because no one really knew what they were doing (including blizzard in many circumstances) and progression was slow |
| 21:44.17 | Mr_Rabies | no raid testing until aq40, etc |
| 21:44.56 | Mr_Rabies | i remember how many guilds chose not to really run ZG/AQ because the sidegrades/minor upgrades weren't really worth the time spent |
| 21:45.08 | Mr_Rabies | that's the issue you run into if the power scaling is too low with upgrades |
| 21:45.23 | Mr_Rabies | people just stop running raids earlier because their character is no longer growing |
| 21:49.08 | Amarande | yeah, perhaps it's a matter of the way players play WoW compared to some other MMOs |
| 21:49.22 | Amarande | perhaps a greater focus on progression and power as opposed to experiencing the content for its own fun |
| 21:50.22 | Amarande | (indeed, sometimes looking at the way some of the more elitist hardcore people approach WoW one can even get the impression that a lot of WoW players have simply forgotten altogether that fun is the whole *point* of gaming ... :|) |
| 21:52.08 | Amarande | after all, when you look at some other MMOs (SW:TOR comes to mind), there's no lack of interest in raids (or "ops" as they are called there), even though the power scaling is quite small with upgrades |
| 21:52.17 | Gnarfoz | why do you even bother |
| 21:52.46 | bleeter | hah "See you all thought that the anal trade chat spamming was trolls when it was actually terrorist code talk." |
| 21:53.00 | bleeter | General giving some rare gold today |
| 21:53.21 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: because the content is fun |
| 21:53.32 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: hell, as an extreme example |
| 21:53.34 | Kalroth | [Dirge] is a secret commie code |
| 21:53.39 | Amarande | look at all those bonus bosses in Japanese console RPGs |
| 21:54.02 | Amarande | they're usually orders of magnitude harder than anything else in the game, and if you're lucky, you get maybe a Megalixir when you beat them :) |
| 21:54.13 | Amarande | (and you usually tend to need a full party heal after fighting that kind of stuff, as it is LOL) |
| 21:54.48 | Amarande | and yet, oftentimes, a huge percentage of the talk on forums for such games is strategising to fight those bosses that you fight for ... pretty much nothing more than the ability to say "hey, I beat X" |
| 21:58.04 | Mr_Rabies | the content is fun, but part of the content to me is the power progression |
| 21:58.51 | Mr_Rabies | mastering the raid encounters is fun, but if that was the only reason i ran, i'd probably join a guild that cleared content quickly then unsub until the next tier |
| 21:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | one that was already heroic geared from last tier or whatever |
| 22:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | but actually going through the gearing process is fun for me |
| 22:00.34 | Mr_Rabies | less so since you have to spend so much time on gear before it's worth equipping nowadays |
| 22:00.55 | Mr_Rabies | but that's getting fixed Soon™ |
| 22:12.32 | Semlar | oh lord they protected the function to request a list from the raid browser |
| 22:12.38 | Semlar | well there goes my addon |
| 22:17.27 | foxlit | facilitating enjoyable grouping experiences? No, we absolute cannot have that. |
| 22:17.33 | foxlit | ^ly. |
| 22:18.38 | Semlar | i wanted to go through and list out everyone in the different queues but apparently "joining" one of the dungeons in the list so you can view it is protected |
| 22:19.32 | foxlit | It's regrettable, but not entirely unexpected. |
| 22:20.18 | Semlar | this was possible in the old old ooooooold dungeon version of the raid browser back in bc |
| 22:20.27 | Semlar | oh well |
| 22:21.19 | Semlar | actually i have a plan B but blizzard would definitely not approve |
| 22:22.06 | Semlar | just have everyone using the addon join for the celestials or something and use the comment system to let the addon communicate |
| 22:23.04 | foxlit | if someone cares, they'll just require a hardware action/secure execution path to set comments. |
| 22:23.25 | foxlit | You should do it anyway. Maybe pick a less popular queue so as not to annoy people that much. |
| 22:23.39 | Semlar | well it'll have to be something with a low ilevel requirement probably |
| 22:24.01 | Semlar | heart of fear would be perfect |
| 22:24.23 | Semlar | 25 man heart of fear? |
| 22:25.11 | Semlar | SearchLFGJoin is the function i don't appear to be able to call, i think it requires a hardware event |
| 22:25.46 | Semlar | and i'm assuming there's no trick to get around that |
| 22:25.59 | bleeter | Cairenn: CORGIF! http://http://twitpic.com/do5wm2 |
| 22:26.27 | Mr_Rabies | double http:// |
| 22:26.43 | Semlar | too many protocols! |
| 22:26.54 | bleeter | hopefully that'll stop soon when I switch to E18 |
| 22:27.00 | bleeter | slaps gnome |
| 22:27.01 | nevcairiel | how does that even happen to people |
| 22:27.18 | bleeter | nevcairiel: stuff trying to be too smart for it's own good |
| 22:28.15 | bleeter | 'oooh you're pasting a URL that doesn't start with http so let's bang it in and make sure it's http and not https'... pasting an https link. at least, I think that's what happening |
| 22:28.46 | bleeter | only happens with some of my GTK foo here so I've never really been inclined to properly track it down |
| 22:28.54 | nevcairiel | but its twice http, no https |
| 22:29.28 | Primer | its* |
| 22:29.52 | nevcairiel | way to fail being a smartass |
| 22:30.02 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 22:30.28 | Primer | I was referring to bleeter's use of "it's" |
| 22:30.42 | nevcairiel | i thought you wanted to fix mine and failed :p |
| 22:31.02 | Primer | it's* |
| 22:31.18 | Primer | there |
| 22:31.19 | nevcairiel | also, bleeters looks right |
| 22:31.29 | Primer | except it's not |
| 22:31.48 | Primer | it's == it is, and only it is |
| 22:31.50 | nevcairiel | make sure it is http |
| 22:31.56 | nevcairiel | not sure whats wrong there |
| 22:31.57 | Primer | <bleeter> nevcairiel: stuff trying to be too smart for it's own good |
| 22:32.03 | nevcairiel | oh there |
| 22:32.14 | nevcairiel | you are also much too slow |
| 22:32.24 | Primer | no, I'm in too many IRC channels |
| 22:32.29 | bleeter | nevcairiel: no, I'm saying the code sees the https, says it's not a URL. Plonks the http in front then converts the existing https to http. |
| 22:32.43 | nevcairiel | sounds like really smart code |
| 22:32.44 | Amarande | Semlar: hm, any particular rationale as to why they'd protect the list request function? |
| 22:33.14 | Semlar | well it's not exactly a request, you have to join? the particular dungeon to get a list of people in it, even though it isn't listing you in it |
| 22:33.14 | bleeter | nevcairiel: we're professionals, I'm sure we've all seen code of such quality. hence you can probably understand my (lack of) enthusiasm in tracking it down :P |
| 22:33.44 | Amarande | some of this stuff that gets protected, it seems like it lacks much reason :S |
| 22:33.55 | Amarande | or some reason that seems like it's so obscure that it shouldn't be pressing enough |
| 22:34.20 | Semlar | joining it does send a request to the server |
| 22:34.28 | Semlar | and it takes about half a second or so to get the list back |
| 22:35.23 | Semlar | JoinLFG and SearchLFGJoin appear to both require hardware events |
| 22:35.24 | Cairenn | bleeter: hehehe |
| 22:36.03 | Amarande | Hm, I wonder how badly black and blue Blizzard would beat us if we came up with some physical device to defeat hardware events LOL |
| 22:36.13 | Semlar | RefreshLFGList does not appear to be protected |
| 22:36.17 | Amarande | Like some sort of little Arduino gadget that you connect by USB |
| 22:36.32 | Semlar | so they've literally just protected the ability to switch which raid you're monitoring |
| 22:36.34 | Amarande | with a button in it, and a mechanism that upon receipt of certain data will mechanically press the button |
| 22:36.46 | Amarande | then you just have to manage to get the gadget to receive the signal, and it presses the button, and presto hardware event heh |
| 22:37.24 | Amarande | (although I suppose that would just result in whatever event was able to actually send a signal out over usb being broken, dangit) |
| 22:38.36 | Amarande | (also, eventually you'd probably just reach the point where basically what you're doing is building an actual robot to sit at the computer and play wow. :P) |
| 22:38.38 | Semlar | there is a TON of information about the player available to the api in the raid browser though |
| 22:38.58 | Semlar | their location, their average item level, pretty much all of their stats |
| 22:39.19 | Amarande | actually, in a few decades, that might become a surprisingly serious issue for MMOs, though |
| 22:39.31 | Amarande | when we actually get high-intelligence robots that can easily be built at a reasonable price |
| 22:39.41 | Amarande | and then the botters would be able to use a physical robot, rather than a program running on the computer |
| 22:40.33 | Amarande | (Where that eventually runs into insoluble land is when the robots become smart enough to invoke the "should robots have rights" debate) |
| 22:41.10 | xyphoid | this is peak amarande |
| 22:41.36 | Amarande | xyphoid: technological singularity is hardly a "conspiracy theory" |
| 22:41.53 | Amarande | and the idea that a robot would be able to game is a pretty small sliver of that idea |
| 22:42.07 | Semlar | foxlit: i think using something other than the world bosses might cause an issue if it doesn't let you stay in the queue with more than the max number of players |
| 22:42.52 | Semlar | i'd need like 11 people to test it |
| 22:43.12 | Amarande | but yeah, I'm surprised some hardcore hater of protected functions hasn't thought of the idea of creating some kind of physical gadget to send hardware events as needed |
| 22:43.20 | Amarande | mind you, I'm not entirely sure if it's actually feasible to implement one |
| 22:43.25 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure they have |
| 22:43.58 | Semlar | i saw someone create an ardiono type deal that read the color in the corner of the monitor and responded to it |
| 22:44.09 | Semlar | arduino? |
| 22:44.11 | Semlar | whatever |
| 22:44.13 | Amarande | arduino, yeah |
| 22:44.43 | Amarande | then it would be a simple matter to generate hardware events on demand via a gadget that's programmed "when you see this, depress internal button that delivers a key scan" |
| 22:44.45 | Semlar | basically it had some sort of light sensor and read part of the screen and responded based on the color |
| 22:45.08 | Amarande | I wonder how badly Blizzard would beat the maker of such a gadget black and blue |
| 22:45.21 | Amarande | wouldn't be surprised if it'd be the biggest accessory firestorm since Game Genie, heh |
| 22:45.29 | Semlar | meh |
| 22:45.44 | Semlar | it's against the ToS either way |
| 22:45.52 | Semlar | it's just practically impossible to detect |
| 22:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | fun fact: Hyperkin owns the rights to Game Genie |
| 22:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | and has a ps3 save editor using the name |
| 22:46.24 | Amarande | heh wow, speaking of the game genie |
| 22:46.33 | Amarande | apparently, it almost was basically an e-drug, complete with addiction dependency |
| 22:46.35 | Amarande | "The Game Genie attaches to the end of the NES cartridge, causing the cartridge to protrude from the console when fully inserted, making the depression impossible. Therefore, the Game Genie was designed in such a way that it did not need to be depressed in order to start the game. This design put even more stress on the ZIF socket than standard game insertion, bending pins and eventually causing units to be unplayable without t |
| 22:46.35 | Amarande | he Game Genie present" |
| 22:46.48 | Amarande | Eventually, if you cheated too long, you literally couldn't play anymore without the cheating device |
| 22:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, though |
| 22:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | even using NES games bends the ZIF slot |
| 22:47.27 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:47.32 | Amarande | kind of makes it not really ZIF, doesn't it |
| 22:47.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's a pisspoor design and i wish someone would design a 72 pin connector for the NES that didn't require depressing the cart |
| 22:48.00 | Amarande | since that kind of implies that you have to put force on the socket to insert properly :P |
| 22:48.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'd buy one for like $20 for my NES, no joke |
| 22:48.48 | Mr_Rabies | i've been tempted to build one but soldering 72 pins on two sides does not sound like fun |
| 22:49.33 | Semlar | i do not understand why they didn't at least make a button to open the raid browser on the dungeon finder window |
| 22:49.52 | Amarande | Semlar: if there was a button on every window that opens every relatedly useful window |
| 22:50.14 | Seerah | Semlar: you should make an addon *nod* |
| 22:50.23 | Amarande | http://www.perch-base.org/Glossary/Graphics/Nuke_Manuevering.jpg <-- this would be every window |
| 22:50.23 | Semlar | oh i'll make an addon |
| 22:51.05 | Semlar | i'll make the greatest addon that ever lived.. |
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| 22:52.47 | Amarande | Actually, said aforementioned cheating gadget might make some manufacturers of gaming gear really really happy, in the worst possible case LOL |
| 22:53.12 | Amarande | think about it ... in order to deliver its payload transparently, it needs to impersonate either a keyboard or a mouse |
| 22:53.31 | Amarande | at that point, you pretty much get to the point where game makers would have to whitelist keyboards and mice |
| 22:53.40 | Amarande | I'm sure Razer would probably be perfectly happy with that :P |
| 22:54.02 | Semlar | i still need to figure out if you can list yourself in a dungeon that isn't in the raid finder window |
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| 22:56.09 | Semlar | aaaaaaand yes you can |
| 22:56.12 | Semlar | ha |
| 22:56.30 | Semlar | now we're getting somewhere |
| 22:56.49 | Ackis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfPnCPGg4cU |
| 23:00.21 | Semlar | but.. it's dinner time so this will have to wait |
| 23:00.21 | Amarande | Semlar: maintenance is tomorrow, you know :) |
| 23:00.36 | Semlar | yes |
| 23:00.41 | Amarande | you'll probably have about twelve hours to play with that at most LOL |
| 23:00.51 | Semlar | i think i have all the information i need |
| 23:01.02 | Semlar | the lengthy bit would be making an interface |
| 23:01.16 | Amarande | and they'll probably break it tomorrow anyway |
| 23:01.31 | Amarande | hm, I wonder if that's one of the reasons maintenance is several hours long, come to think of it. |
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| 23:01.39 | Semlar | they need time to break it? |
| 23:01.57 | Amarande | if part of the purpose of that interval is to give time for the exploits team to look for unwanted uses of the addon UI and come up with an appropriate counter |
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| 23:03.10 | Amarande | pretty sure what you're doing is an 'unwanted use' |
| 23:03.26 | Amarande | and you wouldn't be the first lately, who was it who wrote purrmetheus? :) |
| 23:03.27 | Semlar | perhaps, but it's for the betterment of mekind |
| 23:04.11 | Semlar | hey my original idea was going to be completely within protocol for working with the raid browser except with a better interface |
| 23:04.12 | Amarande | heh, the sad thing is I'm coming to a very mixed impression of this sort of experiment lately |
| 23:04.18 | Amarande | on a technological level it's an interesting thing |
| 23:04.22 | Semlar | but they RUINED that by protecting this function |
| 23:04.32 | Amarande | on the practical level, it's probably ultimately part of the reason I don't play WoW much anymore :| |
| 23:04.52 | Amarande | and tend to instead play games like LOTRO and SW:TOR that don't have much UI plugin capability if any |
| 23:05.35 | Semlar | brb |
| 23:10.13 | rid_ | http://i.imgur.com/WfWfPmp.png |
| 23:14.10 | Amarande | rid_: ... and then we wonder why more women don't game :S |
| 23:14.49 | Amarande | it's probably because guys like that act like that :P |
| 23:15.15 | Amarande | (also am I guessing that's from reddit somewhere?) |
| 23:15.15 | rid_ | probably |
| 23:15.47 | rid_ | kindof, 4chan |
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| 23:16.13 | Semlar-Laptop | herro |
| 23:16.21 | Amarande | ahh, 4chan ... the Mos Eisley Cantina of the web |
| 23:16.35 | rid_ | lol |
| 23:17.06 | Amarande | wb |
| 23:17.11 | Amarande | anyways, see, the thing is ... at the end of the day ... I like to have fun when I play my MMOs. having to retool my UI frequently, is not really fun |
| 23:17.52 | Amarande | unfortunately ... the fact of the matter tends to be, while I can't really mod my UI in LOTRO or TOR, they tend to have reasonably usable ones out of the box (and TOR has pretty much built in MoveAnything, which is one of the major reasons I started using so many addons in WoW anyway, so I could position stuff more as I wanted) |
| 23:18.07 | Amarande | WoW, on the other hand, always feels horribly limited without a large array of addons |
| 23:18.26 | Amarande | (it could also be that in WoW one does certain things on a larger scale, for instance, I don't auction stuff enough in LOTRO or TOR to really miss Auctioneer there) |
| 23:18.35 | Semlar-Laptop | on the other hand you can make addons |
| 23:18.50 | Amarande | on the one hand, yeah, you can make addons, and yeah, it's nifty to see how much the addon API can actually do |
| 23:19.12 | Amarande | on the other hand, because someone's always poking into the far corners of what the addon API is supposed to do, Blizzard is regularly forced to take steps to break said things |
| 23:19.22 | pompy1 | http://store.steampowered.com/app/235800/' |
| 23:19.30 | Amarande | which usually has a reverberant effect on loads of *other* addons, and then one's stuck waiting for stuff to be updated or redoing one's UI to accommodate |
| 23:19.38 | Amarande | which ... isn't really fun, and it's something you don't have to do in the other games |
| 23:20.18 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really use any addons i couldn't raid without |
| 23:20.49 | Semlar-Laptop | except for the auction house which is practically unusable without an addon |
| 23:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be a pain to use dream of cenarius without clique, but i'd manage until it got updated |
| 23:21.07 | Mr_Rabies | well, i don't really need the auction house to raid :p |
| 23:21.26 | Amarande | heh, that's another thing that comes to mind, actually as an MMO musing in general |
| 23:21.42 | Amarande | I wonder how many useful abilities there are that all but really hardcore players tend not to use at all |
| 23:21.52 | Amarande | simply because the actual procedure of using them tends to be too inconvenient |
| 23:22.12 | Amarande | (and for that matter, how much DPS/tank threat/healing is lost in the average raid because of same) |
| 23:22.37 | Semlar-Laptop | SEPARATES THE MEN FROM THE BOYS |
| 23:23.18 | Amarande | I'd also likely suspect that it happens more in WoW than in most other MMOs, too, come to think of it heh |
| 23:24.25 | Amarande | primarily because the gear power curve in WoW tends to let people substitute for skill with gear much more than they can in most other games |
| 23:25.28 | Amarande | what's Dream of Cenarius do, btw? I've never leveled a druid past the late 30s or so |
| 23:27.12 | Mr_Rabies | when i cast a healing touch, i get 2 attacks that hit for 25% more damage |
| 23:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | as feral |
| 23:27.31 | Mr_Rabies | and when i attack, my next heal hits for 25% more |
| 23:27.35 | Mr_Rabies | or 50%? |
| 23:28.32 | Mr_Rabies | combined with predatory swiftness, i have a 20% chance per combo point to get a free, instant healing touch, battle res, root, etc when i use a finishing move |
| 23:28.43 | Mr_Rabies | so i'm weaving heals into my feral rotation to increase damage |
| 23:28.52 | Amarande | ah |
| 23:29.00 | Amarande | hybrid heal/dps mojo |
| 23:29.11 | Mr_Rabies | ah, the numbers are different than i stated |
| 23:29.12 | Mr_Rabies | Increases healing from Healing Touch by 20% and casting Healing Touch causes your next two melee abilities to deal 30% additional damage. |
| 23:29.36 | Amarande | That's actually one of the pretty new and interesting concepts in MoP (or was it in Cata, too?), I'm noticing. :) |
| 23:29.44 | Amarande | Like with Mistweaver monks. |
| 23:30.06 | Amarande | It used to be that you did one thing and stuck with it (apart from the fact that tanks do some DPS by definition), now they're blurring the role lines more |
| 23:30.56 | Amarande | would be interesting if they ever moved away from the trinity structure altogether at some point, though I don't know if WoW has enough life left in it to make such a transition this late |
