| 00:03.45 | fewyn | so this mtn dew kickstart is an acquired taste i think but i kinda like it now |
| 00:06.01 | g0urra | it's not 'acquired taste', it's stockholm syndrome |
| 00:17.31 | Neffi | damn, 4770k for $60 off from Newegg right now |
| 00:25.40 | kd3 | holy crap at the end of the bama/auburn game |
| 00:27.02 | kd3 | the alabama kicker tried for a field goal with one second left, but was short. auburn had a defender in the end zone who caught it and ran it all the way back for a touchdown to win the game |
| 00:34.52 | Neffi | Haha, Corsair cloned 2 of Razer's most popular mice |
| 00:35.16 | Neffi | Raptor M30 -> DeathAdder; Raptor M3 -> CopperHead(?) |
| 00:54.38 | jleclanche | http://forums.androidcentral.com/sprint-galaxy-s-iii/233980-cyanogenmod-10-keyboard-didnt-work.html |
| 00:54.40 | jleclanche | this is a problem .. |
| 01:06.28 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/0KlNIEj |
| 01:14.38 | jleclanche | For the past 1 hour and 14 minutes Ive been trying to fix my phone to use NTP |
| 01:14.56 | jleclanche | it's now that I realize I reached the datetime setup at midnight on the 1st of december. |
| 01:15.05 | jleclanche | fml |
| 01:16.08 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:16.19 | Amarande | reminds me of when I hooked up the cable box again when I finally had my HDMI switch arriving |
| 01:16.28 | Amarande | I'm like hmm is it getting the time signal right |
| 01:16.32 | Amarande | ... and I realise I hooked it up at noon |
| 01:16.53 | Amarande | so of course it's SUPPOSED to be 12:00 LOL |
| 01:23.04 | jleclanche | "Was there some kind of poorly handled romance between the [game's] story writers and they became too embarassed to talk to each other?" |
| 01:25.19 | Amarande | ? |
| 01:27.35 | jleclanche | about xcom |
| 01:27.41 | jleclanche | but apply to whichever game you like really. |
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| 02:49.38 | Aeger73 | In AceConfig-3.0 Options Tables is there more documentation for the keybinding item type? or maybe an addon using it that I can look for examples? |
| 02:49.54 | Aeger73 | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-config-3-0-options-tables/ is pretty sparse in regards to that |
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| 03:43.14 | iShirik | irc servers are so mean |
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| 03:44.43 | karl_w_w | .:Neffi:. Haha, Corsair cloned 2 of Razer's most popular mice <- one overrated brand rips off another, yay? |
| 03:45.03 | Neffi | heh |
| 03:45.23 | Neffi | At least Corsair has the pride to put decent build quality into their products |
| 03:45.53 | Neffi | I'll be sticking with Roccat and Cooler Master for mice either way |
| 03:46.51 | karl_w_w | thermaltake do surprisingly good mice as well |
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| 03:47.50 | Neffi | I concur |
| 03:47.56 | karl_w_w | but then my primary measure of a good mouse is how long the wheel lasts |
| 03:48.11 | Neffi | Not a big fan of any of their mice though. I only like CM for their Storm Inferno, which I use now and I love for its button placement. |
| 03:48.22 | Neffi | (also the wheel on this is grand) |
| 03:48.59 | Neffi | Next I'm getting a Roccat Kone XTD, unless somebody manages to release a ridiculously good mouse before I do my next build |
| 03:50.46 | Neffi | Though I wish there was something like the Storm Inferno but with a few more buttons. I've become attached to have a button to either side of the standard left/right. |
| 03:54.36 | pompy | Wow, insane.. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paul-walker-dies-car-accident-660798 |
| 03:55.36 | Neffi | such tragedy |
| 03:55.46 | Neffi | much forshadow |
| 03:58.08 | A-KO | /r/toosoon is alive and well with Paul Walker stuff |
| 03:58.29 | Amarande | who? |
| 03:58.41 | A-KO | the white guy in the Fast and the Furious movies |
| 03:58.46 | Amarande | ah |
| 04:07.04 | pompy | only 40 yoa |
| 04:07.17 | A-KO | yep |
| 04:08.04 | Ressy | how the hell does a porshe explode after hitting a tree & lightpole. |
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| 04:10.48 | Amarande | gasoline leak + spark, most likely :S |
| 04:17.34 | Ressy | cars (and specifically gas tanks) are built to withstand impact so this doesn't happen. |
| 04:17.47 | Ressy | something must've failed badly. |
| 04:21.02 | Neffi | Nothing is perfect |
| 04:27.44 | Amarande | well yeah, they're built with some resilience to impact |
| 04:27.52 | Amarande | but they're not really designed to be wrapped around trees and utility poles |
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| 06:15.18 | Semlar | wraps neffi around a pole |
| 06:16.01 | Sintacks | slaps neffi around a bit with a large trout | 4,762 tributes to Monty Python |
| 06:16.03 | Sintacks | slaps Semlar around a bit with a large trout | 4,763 tributes to Monty Python |
| 06:16.15 | Sintacks | My mouse always moves too fast after a computer restart.... |
| 06:16.45 | karl_w_w | you need a cat |
| 06:17.14 | Sintacks | I have 3 cats |
| 06:17.16 | Sintacks | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large trout | 4,764 tributes to Monty Python |
| 06:19.10 | karl_w_w | then your cats need upgrades! |
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| 06:35.36 | Neffi | Semlar: wtf |
| 06:35.45 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:35.52 | Neffi | <_< |
| 06:36.32 | Neffi | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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| 07:37.20 | karl_w_w | waiting for s.youtube.com |
| 07:40.27 | Cairenn | nevcairiel, Funkeh`: re "(3:01:40 PM) nevcairiel: we researched a common taint problem, with suggested solutions even, hoping to forward to someone at Blizzard that cares enough to fix it; all the details are here: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=20880 " the other day , the response I got was: |
| 07:40.34 | Cairenn | "Thanks, it's a known issue and we're looking at making a deeper change to how raid profile settings are set in 6.0 in order to alleviate a number of taint issues including this one." |
| 07:42.46 | nevcairiel | we can only hope |
| 07:42.52 | nevcairiel | but thanks for being our relay :) |
| 07:43.01 | Cairenn | You're welcome :) |
| 07:44.04 | Funkeh` | I guess no 5.4.2 fix :( |
| 07:44.54 | Funkeh` | I was going to wait before implementing the workaround |
| 07:45.07 | karl_w_w | renames Cairenn to Clacks |
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| 08:07.54 | Stanzilla | sad |
| 08:10.55 | jleclanche | rewatching those pokemon rby bug-assisted programs is basically telling me one thing |
| 08:11.38 | karl_w_w | do we have to pay a fee to find out what it is? :P |
| 08:11.40 | jleclanche | if i ever release anything noncritical in the wild, Ill make damn sure to have at least one bug allowing arbitrary memory execution |
| 08:11.46 | jleclanche | now you do |
| 08:22.15 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3EvpRHL_vk ? |
| 08:26.04 | Grivvel | so im seeing posts on mmo-c with people concerned that addons will steal passwords now that they ask for your password in-game with the store. Has anyone looked to see whether they can scrape passwords like that? |
| 08:27.35 | nevcairiel | the only thing addons could even try to do is fake the password dialog, but with the special 3d effect blizzard invented, i dont think it can be rebuild 1:1, so you'll have to be stupid enough to fall for it |
| 08:29.39 | karl_w_w | lol nevcairiel |
| 08:29.53 | nevcairiel | wat |
| 08:29.56 | karl_w_w | the general population is stupid enough |
| 08:30.04 | karl_w_w | so wow players will easily fall for it |
| 08:30.21 | nevcairiel | wow players also install keyloggers on a daily basis |
| 08:30.28 | nevcairiel | so the situation doesnt change |
| 08:35.12 | karl_w_w | although |
| 08:35.34 | karl_w_w | if they steal the password there would have to be somebody online to secretly send it to |
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| 09:23.33 | karl_w_w | 311 person login queue... |
| 09:25.21 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzbESDA1oU&feature=youtu.be |
| 09:35.18 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 09:37.35 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 10:08.03 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker where are you |
| 10:08.13 | karl_w_w | I need you to tell me if cities in motion 2 is good |
| 10:08.14 | Fisker | In denmark karl_w_w |
| 10:08.23 | Fisker | Like I even play games |
| 10:11.05 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
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| 11:57.51 | Maldivia | hmm... so Paul Walker died (the actor from fast and furious)... in a car crash... |
| 11:58.49 | Maldivia | while sad, it's hard not to see the irony in it :( |
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| 12:06.04 | foxlit | Cairenn: [07:40:34] "Thanks, it's a known issue and we're looking at making a deeper change to how raid profile settings are set in 6.0 in order to alleviate a number of taint issues including this one." << what a non-answer. |
| 12:06.51 | foxlit | "hey there's something broken here" "we know, we're looking at making deeper changes to (something downstream) later" |
| 12:07.59 | nevcairiel | sadly many people only see the symptom instead of the underlying problem |
| 12:09.22 | nevcairiel | its a common problem among many developers, i gave up trying to correct them in many cases :p |
| 12:12.01 | foxlit | Tar and feathers, imo. |
| 12:17.52 | foxlit | Maybe you should write a patch anyway. There's always 5.4.3. |
| 12:20.21 | amro_ | can anyone recommend a gaming keyboard? |
| 12:29.19 | mikma | propably |
| 12:29.40 | mikma | i can recommend Logitech Wireless Gamepad F710 |
| 12:29.53 | mikma | combine that with steam = awesomesauce |
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| 12:35.32 | amro_ | mikma: while that looks awesome, it's not a keyboard. I'm looking for something with a decent typing experience that also has extra buttons |
| 12:36.54 | mikma | no it's not a keyboard, it's gamepad, and it's awesome. lolo |
| 12:37.52 | mikma | afaik there's 3 proper gaming keyboard, 2x razer and logitech |
| 12:41.10 | mikma | Logitech G13, and 3x razer http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads |
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| 12:43.06 | mikma | i've had my eyes on http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-tartarus for a while |
| 12:43.27 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/misuzulive/status/406274923716280320/photo/1 |
| 12:43.29 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 12:44.18 | amro_ | I was thinking more like http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/hardvara/174518-logitech_g510s_gaming_keyboard&atcl=search:result |
| 12:44.47 | amro_ | though, the one you linked would be awesome for flight sims |
| 12:45.27 | mikma | yeah, the thumb-pad could be quite useful for that |
| 12:46.13 | mikma | i don't like the whole idea of "gaming keyboards" because you spend hundreds of bucks for something that wears out superquick |
| 12:46.39 | mikma | to me it's better to stick with cheap flat keyboard, they usually last longer |
| 12:47.06 | amro_ | yeah I cant type on those anymore after using a das keyboard for a while |
| 12:47.30 | amro_ | I might just get another one of those, but Im wondering if theres something with similar quality and extra buttons |
| 12:48.02 | mikma | wife bought the razer lycosa keyboard and the WASD buttons wore out extremely fast |
| 12:48.19 | Stanzilla | razer hardware sucks |
| 12:48.57 | mikma | aaaaand that's what people are saying |
| 12:49.10 | mikma | you are not the first one to say that out loud |
| 12:49.28 | mikma | every time i lick those gaming pads someone usually says something about razer sucking |
| 12:49.45 | amro_ | how often do you lick gaming pads_ |
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| 12:49.59 | mikma | every now and then |
| 12:50.02 | mikma | i like it |
| 12:50.09 | mikma | link was the word i was after |
| 12:52.02 | mikma | so basicly, Logitech G13 |
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| 13:28.32 | zenzelezz | those times when you go to take the pizza out of the oven and wonder what all the pepperoni is doing outside of it |
| 13:29.33 | foxlit | sigh, setInterval(interval, func) is annoyingly complicated to implement |
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| 14:13.59 | Fisker | soothes foxlit |
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| 16:10.17 | Arrowmaster | so i sleeved all my CAH cards the other night and we played after family dinner last night, it was an absolutely Horrible game |
| 16:20.04 | Thunder_Child | It's because you sleeved them |
| 16:20.15 | Thunder_Child | I played friday night and it was quite amusing |
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| 16:41.42 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: i capitalized the H in Horrible to imply it was a horribly great game |
| 16:42.40 | Arrowmaster | because we are all truly horrible people |
| 16:54.22 | Fisker | hey blucannedcow |
| 16:54.26 | Fisker | do you know why Ackis hates me? |
| 16:54.34 | blucannedcow | nope |
| 16:54.52 | Fisker | ok |
| 16:54.54 | blucannedcow | did you piss in his cereal ? |
| 16:55.45 | Fisker | I would never do such a thing |
| 16:55.52 | blucannedcow | kk |
| 16:59.49 | karl_w_w | why does a dog lick its balls, Fisker? |
| 16:59.58 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: That is what quotation marks are for you degenerate. |
| 17:05.38 | Semlar | my addon appears to have managed to open a container i looted off a mob so fast that its contents went onto the mob instead of my inventory |
| 17:05.49 | Semlar | which opens some interesting possibilities |
| 17:07.02 | Semlar | i looted a Small Bag of Goods off a rare, my addon auto-looted the bag and then i had to loot the trillium and cloth from the corpse |
| 17:11.34 | Semlar | i think opening a container while you have a loot window open merges them |
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| 17:27.46 | Aeger73 | In AceConfig-3.0 Options Tables is there more documentation for the keybinding item type? or maybe an addon using it that I can look for examples? |
| 17:28.39 | Aeger73 | I got it to display the keybinding but I dont think I have the set right and it doesnt change when you select another key but seems to accept the new keybinding until a UI reload |
| 17:35.14 | Aeger73 | http://pastebin.com/6GTnMt8a its on line 109 |
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| 18:02.43 | zenzelezz | https://twitter.com/neuraum/status/407170222916120576/photo/1 |
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| 18:31.50 | karl_w_w | lol zenzelezz |
| 18:47.15 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/RyanWalkinshaw/status/407017099945459712/photo/1/large |
| 18:54.46 | Fisker | He just had better hardware |
| 18:55.08 | Fisker | Best I could do was activating AMT on a laptop next to me because I didn' |
| 18:55.21 | Fisker | didn't want to control it manually |
| 18:59.50 | amro | anyone running hearthstone on linux? |
| 19:00.03 | Fisker | haha running hearthstone |
| 19:00.07 | Fisker | and on linux of all places |
| 19:00.09 | Fisker | hahaha |
| 19:01.00 | blucannedcow | challenge accepted |
| 19:01.08 | blucannedcow | i will now try to run it on a tivio |
| 19:01.14 | blucannedcow | powered by a toaster oven. |
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| 19:45.17 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/little-battler/ << now with an awesome Forfeit button. |
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| 20:40.04 | kd3 | amro; after you apply the patch to get the battle.net app working for longer than 15 seconds, you won't have any further issues |
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| 20:42.06 | VIad | foxlit: nice svg background there |
| 20:51.20 | Sintacks | fucking mouse speed is inconsistant between wow and everything else.... |
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| 21:09.02 | m^rk | is there a current bug with sliders ignore valuestep or workaround? |
| 21:10.00 | nevcairiel | work-around: check the step yourself |
| 21:10.07 | nevcairiel | but yes, its a known bug |
| 21:10.26 | nevcairiel | known by us, maybe not by blizzard |
| 21:10.34 | nevcairiel | who knows what they know |
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| 21:16.24 | Dagmar | It's been there awhile. they're bound to know by now |
| 21:16.38 | nevcairiel | only since 5.4 i think |
| 21:17.22 | m^rk | not quite sure I follow on how to work around.. you saying I can get their bugged step and calcuate the real value from their bugged step value? |
| 21:19.07 | nevcairiel | value = floor((value - min_value) / step + 0.5) * step + min_value |
| 21:19.40 | nevcairiel | if the minimum of your slider is always 0, can greatly simplify as well |
| 21:19.51 | Sintacks | wtb us Worgen Rogue |
| 21:24.07 | Sintacks | 23:45|Pet Journal Is Locked by another user on this account |
| 21:24.09 | Sintacks | gaaaaai |
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| 21:33.26 | m^rk | nevcairiel: thanks, works well |
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| 21:38.09 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/MMQHkq7 |
| 21:40.56 | nevcairiel | to be honest, that thing calling itself "european" is mostly just french |
| 21:46.26 | Neffi | Asking an American to remember all your wall sockets is like asking a European to remember the names of all our states |
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| 21:47.07 | nevcairiel | wall sockets may look different, but we actually have one plug that fits in most countries in europe |
| 21:47.30 | nevcairiel | except italy, they are weird |
| 21:48.19 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.38 | Kaylin | best troll in years: http://imgur.com/gallery/HoBvraJ |
| 21:51.01 | Semlar | nibordoohe: for i = 1, BNGetNumFriends() do print(BNGetFriendInfo(i)) end |
| 21:51.21 | Semlar | i'll let you figure out how to determine if they're online |
| 21:52.15 | Semlar | i think it's the 8th return from BNGetFriendInfo |
| 21:52.45 | Semlar | and the second return from BNGetNumFriends is the number online |
| 21:54.12 | Neffi | nevcairiel: I actually thought the outside prongs on the Italian were spaced such that the same plug could also be used for it |
| 21:55.30 | nevcairiel | fun fact is that the metal thingys of the euro plugs are too thick to fit in the italian sockets <.< |
| 21:55.40 | nevcairiel | but we do have "flat" euro plugs, those fit |
| 21:55.42 | Neffi | haha, wow |
| 21:55.53 | Neffi | It's the same voltage+period, right? |
| 21:56.23 | nevcairiel | basically we have two, the big ones with a 3 contacts, and smaller ones with just 2 |
| 21:56.35 | nevcairiel | yeah, all europe is the same in that regards |
| 21:56.47 | Neffi | Well yeah, grounded and ungrounded, right? |
| 21:57.01 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 21:57.15 | nevcairiel | the small ones should fit like in all europe, except the UK |
| 21:57.17 | Sintacks | WTB Worgen Rogue. I'll give you a cookie. |
| 21:57.28 | nevcairiel | the big ones fail in some other countries as well, like italy |
| 21:57.31 | kd3 | the ptr's up? make one |
| 21:57.37 | Sintacks | on live |
| 21:57.38 | Semlar | he wants an ACHIEVEMENT |
| 21:57.38 | Sintacks | US |
| 21:57.40 | Sintacks | for cheesement |
| 21:57.49 | kd3 | oh, hah. good luck |
| 21:57.50 | Sintacks | i don't want to level a worgen rogue out of starting zone :( |
| 21:57.55 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: only the ungrounded ones are called "euro plugs" for that reason |
| 21:57.56 | Semlar | why don't you just find one in who |
| 21:58.03 | Neffi | Well at least it's electrically compatible |
| 21:58.04 | Sintacks | cuz i'm horde |
| 21:58.08 | Semlar | oic |
| 21:58.09 | Sintacks | though i could do that on an alliance toon... |
| 21:58.18 | Neffi | you could always splice real quick |
| 21:59.01 | Semlar | the thing about worgen is it takes them roughly ten years to get out of the starting area |
| 21:59.45 | Sintacks | not as bad as goblins i've heard |
| 21:59.48 | Sintacks | i haven't done a worgen |
| 21:59.52 | Sintacks | i've done goblin |
| 21:59.54 | Sintacks | 4 times |
| 21:59.57 | Sintacks | fuck goblin |
| 21:59.58 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: wonder if schuko means much to non-germans :p |
| 22:00.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: not the point, just saying you can't argue "these euro plugs don't fit in Italy" when they're not euro plugs ;p |
| 22:00.47 | nevcairiel | plugs from europe, hence, euro plugs |
| 22:00.50 | nevcairiel | not europlugs |
| 22:00.52 | nevcairiel | see the difference! |
| 22:01.12 | Gnarfoz | I don't have to quote back to you what you wrote, do I? :P |
| 22:01.13 | iShirik | german is confusing |
| 22:01.21 | Semlar | i made a worgen once to sell something on the alliance side |
| 22:01.39 | Semlar | i think i got it to level 11 before i gave up trying to leave the starting area |
| 22:01.58 | Gnarfoz | also, the original Schuko plugs aren't even in widespread use anymore, got replaced by these newer ones that also work in France ;p |
| 22:02.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the name of the small ones is "europlug", and "euro plug" is a description of plugs from europe :P |
| 22:02.31 | Gnarfoz | now you're just making stuff up |
| 22:02.57 | Gnarfoz | is Europlug trademarked? :D |
| 22:03.39 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_1363 crazy |
| 22:04.02 | nevcairiel | what do the british have to do with anything now :D |
| 22:04.23 | kd3 | eh, the worgen starting experience holds a special place for me... that was the first chain I treated as a cohesive "quest storyline" article on the wiki |
| 22:04.34 | Gnarfoz | countries using that are the only countries in Europe where Europlugs don't work |
| 22:04.39 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: its creepy i know what BS 1363 is without clicking or looking at the context :/ |
| 22:05.12 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: not really, I'd know what CEE 7/7 is, too ;] |
| 22:05.51 | Stanzilla | I know what BSE is |
| 22:07.30 | nevcairiel | interesting, apparently UK had round plugs a long time ago where the europlug even fit, but then they invented new ones, and it doesnt fit anymore |
| 22:08.16 | Fisker | probably went away from it after ww2 |
| 22:08.26 | Gnarfoz | except that the newer British ones are almost 20 years older than the Europlug |
| 22:09.06 | nevcairiel | technically you can also fit a schuko in those, since they dont go into the wall like a schucko socket does |
| 22:09.18 | nevcairiel | its just the pin form and distance |
| 22:09.44 | Gnarfoz | they probably had a time-traveller tell them "here's your chance to fuck over the europeans in 20 years" :D |
| 22:10.34 | nevcairiel | they are in the minory, so shrug |
| 22:10.40 | nevcairiel | minority* |
| 22:11.02 | iShirik | https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f2c9/?utm_content=buffer88638&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer |
| 22:11.07 | Gnarfoz | I think the craziest (out of those I've handled myself so far) are the US plugs where it's easily possible to come into contact with live parts oO |
| 22:12.05 | nevcairiel | personally I dont really trust any where it just sits on top of the socket, and isnt held in place by the socket itself, but only the pins |
| 22:12.16 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that |
| 22:12.54 | nevcairiel | Although its funny that so many countries have switches on the sockets, and here you see that barely anywhere |
| 22:12.58 | Aeger73 | anyone here used the keybinding item type in In AceConfig-3.0 Options Tables |
| 22:13.03 | nevcairiel | maybe its to fight this problem, turn off when unplugging |
| 22:14.28 | Aeger73 | http://pastebin.com/6GTnMt8a its on line 109 The keybinding doesnt update but seems to work until the UI is reloaded |
| 22:14.59 | nevcairiel | you need to call SaveBindings if you want them to be saved |
| 22:15.49 | Aeger73 | is there anyway to have the keybinding displayed in the options frame update to the new one as well? |
| 22:17.00 | nevcairiel | did you check if GetBindingKey("Toggle TopMenu") actually returns a useful value? |
| 22:17.15 | Aeger73 | yes it returns the correct value |
| 22:20.35 | nevcairiel | GetBindingKey("Toggle TopMenu") can return multiple values, and the widget will only show the first. So if you jsut keep setting new bindings, it would never clear the old one |
| 22:21.32 | Semlar | can you update key binds in combat |
| 22:21.53 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: That's the reasoning behind making the ground prong longer, but I agree that doesnt do shit to help. Our plugs are not good. |
| 22:21.56 | nevcairiel | what do you think Semlar |
| 22:22.01 | Semlar | :( |
| 22:22.17 | Aeger73 | hmm how do I tell it to use the 1st slot? |
| 22:22.27 | Aeger73 | i see now in keybindings i have 2 values there now |
| 22:22.29 | kd3 | neat: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/cor2a_anim.gif |
| 22:22.45 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: I read as much, but I didn't encounter a single grounded plug on my trips to the US, so far :O |
| 22:22.49 | Aeger73 | theoughthe save worked by adding SaveBindings(1) |
| 22:23.06 | Neffi | Generally it's only high-power electronics that use a ground plug |
| 22:23.20 | Semlar | grounds neffi |
| 22:23.21 | Neffi | Eg, computer cords have a grounded plug. But laptops often do not. |
| 22:23.41 | Semlar | my laptop cords all do |
| 22:23.47 | Neffi | wires Semlar up to the nearest three-phase transformer outlet. |
| 22:24.02 | kd3 | stuff light alarm clocks, desk lights, and cell phone chargers? probably not grounded. anything my computer uses? grounded |
| 22:24.09 | kd3 | s/light/like/ |
| 22:24.12 | nevcairiel | same thing in europe really, small devices get a europlug without ground, big devices get a CEE 7/7 schuko plug with ground |
| 22:25.55 | Neffi | at least with your plugs it's hard to touch the live part |
| 22:26.28 | Neffi | I got shocked a couple dozen times as a kid. It's not that uncommon. |
| 22:26.38 | Semlar | really? i only got shocked once |
| 22:26.50 | Neffi | I had the curiosity of a cat |
| 22:26.51 | Semlar | why did you keep touching it |
| 22:27.04 | Neffi | It's not like I wanted to get shocked |
| 22:27.09 | Semlar | i don't believe you |
| 22:27.17 | Neffi | A clumsy kid might do it accidentally |
| 22:28.52 | nevcairiel | at least you only have 110v |
| 22:28.56 | nevcairiel | try that with 230 |
| 22:29.09 | Neffi | Technically we have 110, 208 and 220 |
| 22:29.11 | nevcairiel | you can fly through half the room |
| 22:29.19 | Semlar | we have higher voltages for things like dryers |
| 22:29.48 | kd3 | anything higher than 110 at... 15 amps? gets a special plug |
| 22:29.48 | Neffi | Our transformers are three-phase. We get two mains into every household. Our standard outlets are split into 110, but we have 220v outlets to feed higher-power stuff like electric stoves, water heaters, etc |
| 22:31.38 | nevcairiel | we typically get 3 phases into our houses, which means 400V for stuff like stoves |
| 22:31.52 | nevcairiel | but those plugs are really secure |
| 22:32.05 | Neffi | Ours are and are not |
| 22:32.14 | nevcairiel | and usually not reachable anyhow |
| 22:32.25 | Semlar | well, they're usually behind a god damn stove |
| 22:32.33 | Neffi | I don't have a single 220v outlet in my house, because we wire the appliances directly into the line for that purpose. But 220v outlets are common in industrial places. |
| 22:32.51 | Neffi | You may also find them in households, just not in mine |
| 22:32.58 | nevcairiel | its kinda funny how our normal plugs are all 220v and industrial things use 400v :p |
| 22:33.06 | kd3 | hell, proper 3-phase is common. print shops require some heavy duty juice |
| 22:33.15 | Neffi | more efficient that way. |
| 22:33.21 | Semlar | i'm picturing you plugging things directly into a power line you cut open |
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| 22:33.37 | kd3 | just don't leave a live (unshielded) 3-phase wire hanging over a big entrance, then driving a truck into it and welding the wires to the truck |
| 22:33.44 | Neffi | Yeah, our households get at most 2-phase. I think it's probably against zoning regulations to feed a household with three-phase. |
| 22:33.46 | kd3 | (happened before my time) |
| 22:34.18 | Neffi | Semlar: why would I do that? |
| 22:34.41 | kd3 | mumbles something about the origin of the term 'power tap' |
| 22:34.48 | Neffi | Electrical in most houses looks rather like a network. There's lots of boxes where you can get access to the line with a few screws. |
| 22:35.11 | Neffi | It's done that way because a lot of electric stoves and appliances don't have plus. They're meant to be run into the line. |
| 22:35.40 | Neffi | kd3: that sounds horrifying |
| 22:36.42 | kd3 | early electrical systems often were |
| 22:36.43 | Neffi | I actually recall one of my science teachers in high school teaching us proper "OH SHIT ELECTRICITY" etiquette for that exact happenstance, kd3 |
| 22:37.02 | Neffi | That if a power line ever attaches to your car, you need to jump clear out of the car so you never make a ground |
| 22:37.11 | kd3 | yup |
| 22:37.30 | Semlar | my stove runs on gas |
| 22:37.30 | iShirik | or you could to teh smart thing |
| 22:37.33 | iShirik | and just stay inside |
| 22:37.37 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:37.47 | Semlar | so does my water heater |
| 22:37.49 | nevcairiel | and cry for help? :D |
| 22:37.56 | iShirik | well I have onstar |
| 22:37.59 | Neffi | I suppose. But a lot of people will panic. And if an electrical fire starts, you need to know how to get out. |
| 22:38.00 | iShirik | I push the emergency button |
| 22:38.09 | Semlar | use the door? |
| 22:38.09 | iShirik | why would an electrical fire start |
| 22:38.23 | nevcairiel | one would hope that if it actually shorts, the fuse would blow |
| 22:38.31 | Neffi | Semlar: Sure. Just casually open the door and put your foot on the ground. You'll make a circuit and fry. |
| 22:38.43 | kd3 | if a power line's in the road and has electrified the car, things are probably going to go poorly |
| 22:38.59 | iShirik | "electrifying the car" means nothing |
| 22:39.09 | Neffi | It's happened before. Wind knocks down theline and it falls atop your car. |
| 22:39.14 | iShirik | you've raised the voltage level of the car with respect to the ground. Big deal. |
| 22:39.21 | Semlar | if you're inside the car that isn't going to do anything |
| 22:39.31 | iShirik | Guess what else raises your voltage level by about 10k volts? Rubbing your feet on a carpet. |
| 22:39.36 | iShirik | It does nothing by itself |
| 22:39.39 | Semlar | unless you're touching some unshielded body panel |
| 22:39.43 | Neffi | It can if you make a conductor between the car and the ground with your body |
| 22:39.51 | Semlar | how |
| 22:39.56 | Neffi | The inside of door frames typically are bare metal, for one |
| 22:40.02 | Semlar | there is no way the easiest path to the ground is through you |
| 22:40.03 | iShirik | If you do absolutely nothing, you're not going to randomly have a fire start |
| 22:41.41 | Neffi | Semlar: As I understand it, a filled tire should be a fairly good insulator. So if you do make contact to bare metal and the ground, the voltage is gonna prefer going through you |
| 22:41.53 | Gnarfoz | what bare metal again? |
| 22:42.01 | Neffi | Inside the door frame |
| 22:42.07 | Gnarfoz | why would you touch that? |
| 22:42.07 | Neffi | sometimes it's not even painted |
| 22:42.20 | Semlar | you're supposed to stay in your car during a lightning storm because you aren't going to die if the car gets hit by lightning |
| 22:42.30 | Neffi | Most people think electricity is magic, so they dont really have a functioning mind when shit's going down |
| 22:42.55 | Gnarfoz | I hope I'll go with Shirik's line of though, should this ever happen to me, and stay in the damn car ;D |
| 22:42.55 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: adjust world perception to US level, you'll understand |
| 22:43.16 | Neffi | Oh I agree with Shirik. But maybe you're out of touch with the average American. |
| 22:43.20 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: right, if I wasn't fried, I could sue the power company! |
| 22:43.47 | Neffi | If I were to tell somebody who is inside the car that ti's safer to stay inside, it doesn't matter if I have a damn nobel prize for my work with electricity, they're gonna get out of that car |
| 22:44.08 | Gnarfoz | so tell them they should get out instead |
| 22:44.08 | Neffi | Assuming said person is your average American |
| 22:44.25 | Gnarfoz | (if the assumption is they're going to do the opposite of what you say :D) |
| 22:44.25 | iShirik | I wonder if it would be possible to install GFIs into power lines |
| 22:44.29 | Semlar | i thought this was common knowledge |
| 22:44.42 | iShirik | I don't see why it wouldn't |
| 22:45.30 | iShirik | I guess they might not have both directions of travel on a given power line |
| 22:45.45 | Semlar | also the distance between the bottom of the car and the ground isn't enough for the tires to matter |
| 22:46.19 | Semlar | at least for lightning |
| 22:47.03 | Neffi | iShirik: Maybe the limitation is that it can't be sensitive enough to prevent most issues, because false positives would mean constant power outages for everything on the line |
| 22:47.20 | Neffi | I also dont know if they even do have them on power lines |
| 22:48.23 | Gnarfoz | that was his question |
| 22:49.06 | Neffi | He asked if it would be possible. He didnt ask if they were already installed |
| 22:49.56 | iShirik | given the reaction to a power line hitting the ground |
| 22:50.00 | iShirik | I'm going to assume they're not installed |
| 22:50.20 | Neffi | I've seen it happen a few times, and what I usually see happen is a transformer appear to blow |
| 22:50.29 | Neffi | So I'm gonna assume they have regulation in the transformer, not the line |
| 22:50.30 | Gnarfoz | don't you think they would be installed if it was reasonably possible? |
| 22:50.31 | iShirik | I guess the problem is something closer to "a household could end up taking out an entire neighborhood's power" |
| 22:50.33 | iShirik | which is always bad |
| 22:50.54 | iShirik | I could easily miswire a house to trip a neighborhood-wide GFI |
| 22:50.59 | kd3 | transformer explosions are amazing (in the proper sense). especially the smoke ring that usually results |
| 22:51.18 | Neffi | I've seen a few, and I dont know if I'd call it an explosion |
| 22:51.37 | iShirik | my favorite is when the transformers try to protect themselves |
| 22:51.41 | Neffi | I think what's happening is the line trips up, and the heat produced causes the oil to smoke violently |
| 22:51.43 | iShirik | and then they come back online a few minutes later |
| 22:51.48 | iShirik | only to break again |
| 22:51.58 | iShirik | fireworks for hours |
| 22:58.51 | kd3 | heh. there's a thread about "people who donated $1000+ to a kickstarter project. why?" on reddit. the consensus is that star citizen people don't mess around |
| 22:59.04 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1ruaro/to_anyone_who_has_donated_1000_to_a_kickstarter/ |
| 23:01.58 | Arrowmaster | somebody chimed in at over $12,000 invensted in StarCitizen |
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| 23:10.55 | Dashkal | mmm, SC. That may be the only game I'll ever contribute $100 to up front. |
| 23:11.52 | xyphoid | i'm gonna buy it when it comes out |
| 23:12.51 | haste | someone explain me the SC fuzz |
| 23:12.58 | haste | I'm too lazy to look it up |
| 23:13.11 | xyphoid | it is a space game that will have EVERY FEATURE |
| 23:13.31 | Dashkal | It's an open universe space sim. Fight, trade, whatever. |
| 23:13.32 | haste | and a coworker has been mentioning it for close to a year now I think |
| 23:13.47 | haste | so eve online? |
| 23:13.59 | Dashkal | Nah, EvE is played in Excel. This one will be played in its own engine |
| 23:14.01 | xyphoid | you will be able to do damage control on capital ships in a FPS view during space battles |
| 23:18.33 | xyphoid | it is all of a MMO with persistent world and a moddable game engine and private servers and single-player and they're promising more features as people give them more money, which i'm pretty sure means it's doomed |
| 23:19.32 | Dagmar | CryEngine actually |
| 23:20.12 | Dagmar | It sort of looks like anyone else working on a space game for next year had better find a beneficiary and a high building |
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| 23:21.44 | xyphoid | i dunno i think you make good games by focusing on something |
| 23:21.54 | Dashkal | It kind of does. Still, despite backing it because I want it to succeed, I remain hopeful/skeptical |
| 23:22.10 | Dashkal | xyphoid: The point is to be a space sim. THe breadth /is/ the goal. |
| 23:22.13 | xyphoid | star citizen is everthing to everyone |
| 23:22.24 | Dashkal | If you're looking for depth in one space, this is not your game |
| 23:38.29 | bleeter | karl_w_w: this is our leader speaking https://twitter.com/Adrian_Dodd/status/407289167882641408 |
| 23:43.10 | Aeger73 | I finally figured out how to get the SetBinding() to work |
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| 23:43.34 | Aeger73 | I used a variable to clear the binding then set it |
| 23:44.32 | Aeger73 | I can post the code if anyone wants it.. I searched forever on Google and wowprogramming and there isnt much on it |
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| 23:49.12 | Arrowmaster | !api Setbinding |
| 23:49.12 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'Setbinding': SetBinding, SetBindingMacro, SetBindingItem, SetBindingSpell, SetBindingClick |
| 23:49.22 | Arrowmaster | !api SetBinding$ |
| 23:49.22 | lua_bot | SetBinding: Binds a key combination to a binding command (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetBinding) |
| 23:49.47 | Arrowmaster | Aeger73: what was the issue? |
| 23:50.20 | Aeger73 | i found the api I was having problems setting the keybind, it just kept adding a 2nd one and only ever returned key1 |
| 23:50.59 | Seerah | !api OverrideCurrentBinding |
| 23:50.59 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'OverrideCurrentBinding'. |
| 23:51.03 | Seerah | bah |
| 23:51.23 | Arrowmaster | override bindings are special and need a frame reference |
| 23:51.38 | foxlit | pebcak, really. |
| 23:52.20 | Aeger73 | http://pastebin.com/3Q06ffKS |
| 23:52.27 | Aeger73 | line 109 is how i got it working right |
| 23:52.45 | Aeger73 | opps 114 now |
| 23:53.48 | Seerah | When unbinding something, you should at least tell the user what you just unbound |
| 23:53.53 | Arrowmaster | looks normal |
| 23:54.37 | Seerah | unless I'm just confused on what you mean |
| 23:54.39 | Aeger73 | how do you do that in the options table? |
| 23:55.00 | Arrowmaster | what are key1 and value |
| 23:55.06 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBindingByKey |
| 23:55.26 | Arrowmaster | im not familiar with the aceconfig details |
| 23:55.52 | Aeger73 | it displays what is bound before its set |
| 23:56.09 | Aeger73 | is there something else to add? |
| 23:56.44 | Arrowmaster | you are leaking the key1 variable into the global namespace |
| 23:56.54 | Aeger73 | are you talking about like the default blizz keybindings when you unbind it has the message below? |
| 23:57.25 | Seerah | yes |
| 23:58.09 | Seerah | if you override the current binding, you don't need this message. But, imo, you should have it when removing a binding. |
| 23:58.15 | Aeger73 | just add local key1 inside the get and set func will fix that? |
| 23:58.52 | Seerah | local key1 = GetBindingKey("Toggle TopMenu") |
| 23:58.56 | Seerah | etc |
| 23:59.19 | Arrowmaster | do that in the get function, thats where your leak is |
| 23:59.49 | Aeger73 | done thanks |
| 23:59.52 | Seerah | actually....... unless you're doing anything else with the variable key1 in that function, you could just do--> return GetBindingKey("Toggle TopMenu") |
