| 00:02.49 | Amarande | yeah, the only things Curse Premium really gives you are no-ads and the ability to be less patient when downloading several addons at once :P |
| 00:03.13 | Amarande | well there is that backup feature, I guess |
| 00:03.38 | Amarande | but in reality, it's not really much of a perk of Premium because all you really need to do anyhow is just back up your addons and wtf folders regularly |
| 00:03.51 | Amarande | since curse client recognises addons that are installed even if they weren't installed through it :S |
| 00:03.55 | Arrowmaster | someday im actually going to use the features of curse premium |
| 00:04.04 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: which features are those? |
| 00:04.07 | Arrowmaster | any |
| 00:04.17 | Arrowmaster | ive had it since it came out and never used a single feature of it |
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| 00:17.41 | Primer | I use it every day |
| 00:18.04 | Primer | I love that I've developed a mediocre addon and get premium for free too! |
| 00:19.42 | Arrowmaster | i havent done shit in years and still get it for free |
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| 00:23.52 | Amarande | heh, maybe that's why premium has such lousy features |
| 00:24.07 | Amarande | because all you have to do is write an addon and get it free for life, it sounds like? |
| 00:26.08 | Arrowmaster | not life but it seems we still earn enough points every month for it |
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| 00:28.39 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:28.40 | Shirik | google |
| 00:28.41 | Shirik | you scary |
| 00:28.54 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/7ff8f810f653ba78301ffda7e3a3abd0 |
| 00:29.00 | Shirik | "This site may be hacked" |
| 00:29.52 | Arrowmaster | seen scarier stuff from google |
| 00:30.33 | Arrowmaster | as soon as i landed in LAX google now was giving me traffic time to disneyland and the convention center |
| 00:30.46 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 00:31.13 | Arrowmaster | and the account i use for google now doesnt get the emails for blizzcon stuff |
| 00:31.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:32.33 | Alram | its perforce |
| 00:32.36 | Alram | ofcourse it got hacked |
| 00:34.51 | Amarande | Shirik: probably because of the ads |
| 00:35.05 | Amarande | I'd actually say about 99.9% of sites that Google pegs as malware are inherently innocent |
| 00:35.11 | Amarande | and are marked for one of two reasons |
| 00:35.20 | Amarande | a) shared hosting and someone else on the same host had an infection/hacking |
| 00:35.37 | Amarande | b) ad-supported and some asshat bought a poisoned ad that happened to get featured when google checked the site |
| 00:39.08 | Esamynn|work | I feel like someone should be adding a conspiracy theory type option C... :P |
| 00:39.12 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: i really need to remove the gnome stuff from my system, why does the new gnome-disk-utility now require libpwquality1 |
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| 00:49.19 | Amarande | Esamynn: given that the general reaction I've seen most of the time when people get the "this site may harm your computer" warning is "WTF" ... |
| 00:49.23 | kd3 | arrow; disk encryption passphrase quality checker? |
| 00:49.33 | kd3 | only thing I can think of |
| 00:51.59 | Dagmar | Basically yeah |
| 00:52.21 | Dagmar | It comes in because of the password entry widget |
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| 00:53.21 | Arrowmaster | holy shit i obviously havent been doing any development on this laptop, i just tried to use git and it wasnt installed |
| 00:53.39 | A-KO | man this Who was FANTASTIC |
| 00:53.41 | A-KO | nerding out |
| 00:54.00 | Arrowmaster | just now watching it? |
| 00:54.06 | A-KO | nah, last night watched it. |
| 00:54.09 | A-KO | I DL'd it now though |
| 00:54.16 | A-KO | still totally nerding out over it |
| 00:54.17 | A-KO | lol |
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| 00:55.03 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn hasnt changed the topic so i think this is still a spoiler free zone |
| 00:55.05 | Neffi | holy god I think I just crafted the best burger to ever grace this world |
| 00:55.57 | Neffi | Medium-raw seasoned heavily with cayanne, garlic, and a tad of pepper and salt. A roasted red pepper sauteed in the drippings and put on top. Top with colby and cheddar and put on English muffin. |
| 00:55.58 | Cairenn | I had a request to keep it spoiler free until it's been released in Fisker-land |
| 00:56.38 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 00:57.11 | xyphoid | for a change our TV channels realised that actually playing things like that in a timely fashion is a good idea |
| 00:57.18 | Esamynn|work | huzzah for the Big Red Button! |
| 00:58.28 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: so thepiratebay doesnt count as Fisker-land? |
| 00:59.16 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 00:59.35 | Arrowmaster | or are there others from Fisker-land besides Fisker in here |
| 00:59.50 | Esamynn|work | that's a scary thought Arrowmaster |
| 00:59.55 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 01:00.19 | Esamynn|work | Cairenn: spoiler free huh, so I'm not allow to tell people that yes, there was a big red button? ;) |
| 01:00.28 | Esamynn|work | s/allow/allowed/ |
| 01:00.34 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:01.39 | Esamynn|work | I was geeking out so much after I watched it on Saturday that I spread that particular "spoiler" to everyone I knew who would care :) |
| 01:07.17 | Tuller | waffles |
| 01:07.20 | Kraps | omg a gear overhaul |
| 01:10.13 | Shirik | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr03/26/7/enhanced-buzz-wide-25647-1385467498-9.jpg |
| 01:10.16 | Shirik | "further south dakota" |
| 01:10.18 | Esamynn|work | from the sounds of it, it's something like what Feral Druids have been dreaming of for years ;) |
| 01:10.34 | Esamynn|work | just based on spec, rather than form |
| 01:11.02 | Esamynn|work | "Big Scotland"... wtf |
| 01:11.11 | kd3 | a dev's been posting info on stats changes too... http://wowpedia.org/Attributes#Warlords_stats_changes |
| 01:12.03 | Shirik | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2013-11/enhanced/webdr05/26/7/enhanced-buzz-wide-1114-1385467528-17.jpg |
| 01:12.06 | Shirik | silicon valley is now a state |
| 01:13.35 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:13.59 | Esamynn|work | and Las Vegas is 2 :P |
| 01:14.40 | Esamynn|work | obviously there are too many states :P |
| 01:15.52 | Shirik | http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/its-thanksgiving-so-we-asked-some-brits-to-label-the-us-stat |
| 01:18.39 | Esamynn|work | I'm surprised at how many have mistaken Oregon for Washinton |
| 01:19.15 | kd3 | holy crap. a nasa photo from yesterday from space of the storm: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/gsfc/11071559623/in/photostream/ |
| 01:20.09 | Amarande | Esamynn: based on my travels to Oregon, I understand OR and WA are very close buddies, as in it wouldn't seem too out of place if they *were* one state |
| 01:20.15 | Semlar | i couldn't label an entire map of the united states |
| 01:20.29 | Semlar | i just don't care where the other states are |
| 01:20.48 | Tuller | sounds like someone needs a map of the united states in the bathroom |
| 01:20.54 | Arrowmaster | i like the "Flordia (aka disneyland)" |
| 01:21.01 | Semlar | DISNEYLAND IS IN CALIFORNIA |
| 01:22.03 | Arrowmaster | "I have been here (unless thats not where New York is)" its not |
| 01:23.22 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i could label the edges of the map and then nothing along the northern border or the middle |
| 01:23.36 | Neffi | labels Semlar. |
| 01:23.38 | Semlar | aka the badlands and canada |
| 01:23.46 | Neffi | The label says "caution", btw |
| 01:23.53 | Semlar | "do not touch" |
| 01:23.59 | Seerah | I liked that one of them said "not canada" for one of the northern states |
| 01:24.07 | Esamynn|work | all I'm saying, I can label a map of Canada... no problem =D |
| 01:24.16 | Semlar | "CANADA" |
| 01:24.23 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Semlar |
| 01:24.23 | purl | declares Semlar a moron |
| 01:24.33 | Semlar | canada has like 4 states how hard could it be |
| 01:24.51 | Seerah | *provinces* |
| 01:25.02 | Semlar | sure, sure |
| 01:25.09 | Neffi | How fitting, purl |
| 01:25.16 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 01:25.19 | Esamynn|work | 10, actually, and yes, Provinces |
| 01:25.27 | Torhal | Provinces, States, who cares? Louisiana said "Fuck Counties. We have Parishes!" |
| 01:25.31 | Esamynn|work | and 3 territories |
| 01:25.44 | Semlar | what's the difference |
| 01:25.50 | Torhal | Essentially? None. |
| 01:26.11 | Semlar | why can't we all just get along |
| 01:26.18 | Neffi | because |
| 01:26.23 | Torhal | Because you hog the POIs Semlar. |
| 01:26.29 | Neffi | Canada calls ham "bacon", and that's not OK |
| 01:26.41 | A-KO | that's totally not true |
| 01:26.44 | Arrowmaster | i think ive labeled all the states correctly before, i cant guarantee i could do it again and i live here |
| 01:26.51 | Semlar | there are no POIs in canada |
| 01:26.53 | Semlar | hahaha |
| 01:27.04 | A-KO | Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Edmonton..... |
| 01:27.11 | Torhal | Oh, SNAP. |
| 01:28.09 | A-KO | Montreal and Toronto are fantastic cities |
| 01:28.19 | Neffi | *cough* |
| 01:28.20 | A-KO | and if you want some of that European city feel, Quebec City is where it's at |
| 01:28.21 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:28.23 | Neffi | *cough* |
| 01:28.25 | Neffi | crack |
| 01:30.15 | Esamynn|work | for the record, teh difference between a province and a territory, these days, is effectively nada, but Provincial gov powers are specified in the constitution, territories are at the mercy of the federal government |
| 01:31.03 | Torhal | read "territories" as "terrorists" at first. |
| 01:31.35 | Torhal | I was thinking "Well, I'd certainly HOPE they'd be at the mercy of the federal government..." |
| 01:31.36 | Neffi | Terrorizing the world with free healthcare! |
| 01:31.37 | Esamynn|work | well, didn't you know, that's ACTUALLY where the terrorists come from |
| 01:31.46 | Esamynn|work | it's a well kept secret |
| 01:31.49 | Esamynn|work | oshit... |
| 01:32.27 | Esamynn|work | ahh hell, it's out now, you do realise we're planning an invasion and take-over, right? |
| 01:32.43 | Neffi | Of US? |
| 01:32.46 | Semlar | let me know when it's over |
| 01:33.08 | Neffi | ayup |
| 01:33.10 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: just the parts we want... you can keep Texas for instance |
| 01:33.11 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: Wait - I thought you were just going to invade Kaelten's house. |
| 01:33.15 | Esamynn|work | at least, I think that's the current plan |
| 01:33.19 | Neffi | You can HAVE Texas |
| 01:33.26 | Neffi | Except NASA, they'll move to Cali |
| 01:33.33 | Esamynn|work | we have our own version |
| 01:33.36 | Esamynn|work | we call it Alberta |
| 01:33.48 | Neffi | Anyway, good luck. I bet we wont even feel a draft. |
| 01:34.18 | Esamynn|work | that's probably what you though in 1812 until we burned down the White House :P |
| 01:34.41 | Neffi | You WHAT?! |
| 01:34.43 | Neffi | ;p |
| 01:34.48 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:35.04 | TC-Work | You can have that as well |
| 01:35.20 | Semlar | most of these people have horrible handwriting |
| 01:35.35 | Esamynn|work | the plan is on hold, at the moment, anyways.... we have a Bush jr. wannabe running the country atm :( |
| 01:36.00 | Neffi | You mean Rob isn't your only problem? |
| 01:36.44 | Esamynn|work | that's... Toronto... they're... different |
| 01:37.10 | Neffi | You mean there's more to Canada than maple syrup, fake ham, hockey and crack? |
| 01:37.27 | Amarande | curling, Neffi |
| 01:37.30 | Amarande | how could you forget curling |
| 01:37.34 | Amarande | CURLING IS WIN AND AWESOME |
| 01:37.42 | Esamynn|work | and skiing, at least here in the west |
| 01:37.45 | Neffi | No, we call that sweeping. I assume most of the world likes to keep their floors clean. |
| 01:37.51 | Neffi | Making it a sport doesn't make it noteworthy |
| 01:38.04 | TC-Work | Careful with your words gentlemen, I am east coast Canadian. |
| 01:38.14 | TC-Work | As is Cairenn, but meh. |
| 01:38.20 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: oh... you're one of THOSE |
| 01:38.26 | Esamynn|work | waves from Vancouver |
| 01:38.44 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: It's a short wave down the coast since I am in Cali |
| 01:38.46 | Amarande | they should show more curling on TV here in the states |
| 01:38.48 | TC-Work | But I am from there. |
| 01:39.00 | Amarande | they can replace one of the usual winter-seasonal sports with it |
| 01:39.05 | Amarande | like maybe basketball or handegg |
| 01:39.05 | Esamynn|work | and, shockingly... you left :P |
| 01:39.22 | TC-Work | Not by choice. |
| 01:39.25 | Neffi | You expect them to get rid of handegg on Murrican TV? |
| 01:39.36 | Amarande | Handegg is getting kind of meh of late |
| 01:39.36 | Neffi | Nukes would be sent out |
| 01:40.26 | TC-Work | I need to get to Vancouver one of these days. |
| 01:40.37 | TC-Work | It's only a short 20 Hour drive. |
| 01:40.40 | Esamynn|work | as for curling... it's amazing what people will do for entertainment when their only options are ice related... although curling is actually interesting, once you figure out what the basic rules are (as I discovered in 2010) |
| 01:41.03 | Cairenn | confirms TC-Work's comment about where she's from |
| 01:41.25 | Esamynn|work | and you also left... I rest my case *weg* |
| 01:41.34 | TC-Work | No? |
| 01:41.40 | TC-Work | Or did Cairenn move? |
| 01:42.19 | Esamynn|work | like you, she's from there, but does not live there anymore |
| 01:42.19 | Cairenn | And there's a reason why NS curlers tend to be among the best in the world. We get lots and lots of practice, just curling our trash cans/bags down to the end of the driveway for pickup. :p |
| 01:42.24 | TC-Work | I thought she was out in Nova Scotia |
| 01:42.25 | Cairenn | Not by choice |
| 01:43.29 | Esamynn|work | where as people from Ontario seem to come out west by choice |
| 01:44.12 | jleclanche | wtf |
| 01:44.22 | Amarande | well, Toronto is that place with the batshit crazy mayor, right? or am I thinking of another city |
| 01:44.24 | jleclanche | how is it so much time has past and firefox on linux still doesnt obey xdg? |
| 01:44.27 | Esamynn|work | no, you have that one right |
| 01:44.54 | Esamynn|work | Toronto is our largest city... I think it's gone to their heads |
| 01:45.36 | Ressy | o.O |
| 01:45.39 | Ressy | Thanks. |
| 01:46.07 | Ressy | I can honestly say, despite the fact I helped vote that nutso in, I want him gone now. |
| 01:46.22 | Esamynn|work | who, Ford? |
| 01:46.26 | Esamynn|work | or Harper? |
| 01:46.29 | Ressy | Ford |
| 01:46.32 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:46.34 | TC-Work | So many choices |
| 01:46.35 | Ressy | I'd never vote for Harper. ever |
| 01:46.44 | Esamynn|work | slimy bastard |
| 01:46.50 | Esamynn|work | (Harper) |
| 01:46.56 | Cairenn | (both :p) (and I didn't vote for him {Harper} either) |
| 01:47.18 | Ressy | Harper's gotta go.. seriously.. These scandals with him just keep getting worse |
| 01:47.22 | Esamynn|work | well, technically, none of us could... his riding is in Alberta, is it not? :P |
| 01:48.04 | Cairenn | and Esamynn, I'd give a great deal to be able to move (back) to the Maritimes, or BC. I miss the ocean so very much. |
| 01:48.14 | Esamynn|work | yes, I know :/ |
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| 01:48.41 | Cairenn | And I didn't get a chance to go to it this BC, 'cause no Slouken :( |
| 01:48.46 | Esamynn|work | big lake, is still just that, a lake |
| 01:48.52 | Cairenn | Yep |
| 01:48.59 | Cairenn | The air never smells right |
| 01:51.04 | Esamynn|work | Ressy: as for Ford... at least he's come clean (we hope) about his bad habits... Vancouver has a hippie pothead for a mayor (downtown core anyways, we're not one big municipality like Toronto) |
| 01:51.44 | Ressy | I highly doubt that he's fully come clean. |
| 01:51.50 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 01:51.51 | Ressy | There's still those domestic assault calls. |
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| 01:52.34 | Esamynn|work | haven't heard much about those, don't really read the national news much |
| 01:53.01 | Ressy | During the drugs investigation, cops got a call about a domestic assault. |
| 01:53.09 | Ressy | from Ford's home. Was his wife. |
| 01:53.22 | Esamynn|work | but yah, he's looking more and more like bad news instead of just definitely not a "normal" politician |
| 01:53.28 | Ressy | Ended up not pressing charges, but every cop in the city was looking for him for a bit. |
| 01:53.35 | Ressy | he spent the next 3 days at a motel. |
| 01:53.37 | Esamynn|work | O_O |
| 01:53.49 | Esamynn|work | well, he is an alcoholic |
| 01:54.02 | Esamynn|work | and you knew that when you elected him, didn't you? |
| 01:54.08 | Ressy | nope. |
| 01:54.19 | Ressy | if he had've just confessed, and gone into rehab & got help, people would've been fine.. But its spiralled now. |
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| 01:54.48 | Cairenn | I said it before and I'll say it again. He needs to just stfu and gtfo. |
| 01:54.51 | Esamynn|work | he talked about taking the city council to court over them stripping his budget, etc... I just shook my head |
| 01:55.06 | Ressy | I found that ironic.. |
| 01:55.08 | Esamynn|work | yah, but he won't |
| 01:55.23 | Ressy | city's already hired an outside lawyer just in case. |
| 01:55.39 | Cairenn | All he had to do was go "Yeah, I have a problem, yes, I'm going to go get help." and people would have given him a lot more leeway. |
| 01:55.42 | Esamynn|work | he's not bright enough to bow out gracefully, even if he were sober |
| 01:55.44 | Ressy | she was at the meeting before they stripped his powers & budget |
| 01:55.51 | Ressy | nope |
| 01:56.25 | Amarande | Deposed and stilled? :) |
| 01:56.34 | Amarande | oh, wrong world. :) |
| 01:56.43 | Cairenn | He's just making it worse and worse for himself (and making the rest of Canada look stupid too). |
| 01:57.17 | Shirik | oh come on |
| 01:57.21 | Shirik | your politicians can't be as bad as hours |
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| 01:57.23 | Shirik | ours |
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| 01:57.40 | Ressy | The pathetic thing is.. They don't have anything they can charge him with. |
| 01:57.51 | Esamynn|work | it's been kind of amusing to watch your provincial government comment every so often... it's like they know they need to just stay the hell away from the entire shit storm, but they can't help but comment |
| 01:58.16 | Ressy | well, people wanted Wrynne to do something |
| 01:58.21 | kd3 | yay for a definitive answer: https://twitter.com/Celestalon/status/405515696114655232 |
| 01:58.42 | Esamynn|work | but what? |
| 01:58.46 | Shirik | excuse me kd3 |
| 01:58.53 | Shirik | I don't think that is a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] |
| 01:58.56 | Esamynn|work | really, what could the province really do to help the situation? |
| 01:59.09 | Ressy | Amend something under the provincial act. |
| 01:59.16 | kd3 | thankfully we're not enwiki |
| 01:59.20 | Shirik | :P |
| 01:59.25 | Esamynn|work | right, they coudl pass the "get rid of Rob Ford" act :P |
| 01:59.37 | Ressy | Which is why she got approval from both ndp & conservatives before saying anything |
| 01:59.44 | Esamynn|work | but that would mean a by-election... great |
| 01:59.51 | Ressy | Actually.. |
| 01:59.54 | Esamynn|work | more wasted money |
| 01:59.59 | Ressy | Did you hear what Ford suggested? |
| 02:00.11 | Esamynn|work | a completely new election |
| 02:00.13 | Esamynn|work | yah, heard that |
| 02:00.31 | Esamynn|work | my first response of, yah, you can have an election any time... you could resign |
| 02:00.33 | Ressy | for city council.. Then when council had a kitten, said just mayor, and oh, no election for mayor in Oct. |
| 02:01.04 | Shirik | omg google |
| 02:01.06 | Shirik | you are so evil |
| 02:01.11 | Shirik | I just got offered google glass |
| 02:01.31 | kd3 | not like you could wear it at work, right? |
| 02:02.14 | Esamynn|work | Ressy: here's hoping you can just ignore him now and you won't be stupid enough to re-elect him next time around |
| 02:03.57 | Esamynn|work | anyways, enough politics |
| 02:04.02 | Esamynn|work | heads home |
| 02:09.21 | Cairenn | is jealous of Shirik! |
| 02:17.41 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/ReQ35 |
| 02:20.10 | jleclanche | Grrrr |
| 02:20.20 | jleclanche | Im gonna have to buy more hard drives. |
| 02:20.59 | Primer | For your minecraft server? :) |
| 02:20.59 | jleclanche | coming up to 93% of 12.5 terabytes :/ |
| 02:21.03 | kd3 | eesh |
| 02:21.06 | jleclanche | not even sort of |
| 02:21.15 | jleclanche | the mc server is about 400 meg |
| 02:21.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: offered or offered the ability to buy |
| 02:21.37 | Primer | jleclanche: My daughter asked me to setup a minecraft server for her so it can be popular and she can run it. |
| 02:21.47 | Primer | jleclanche: translation: I end up doing all the work. |
| 02:22.03 | Primer | I wonder what the hardware specs are for a server that can support, say, 100 connections. |
| 02:22.09 | jleclanche | high |
| 02:22.20 | Amarande | jleclanche, dude, what are you doing with 12.5 TB? |
| 02:22.24 | jleclanche | like, really fucking high |
| 02:22.29 | jleclanche | Amarande: archival |
| 02:22.33 | Amarande | generating 7-man chess tablebases or something? :) |
| 02:22.33 | Amarande | ah |
| 02:22.44 | Primer | Rainbow tables! |
| 02:22.48 | Amarande | actually the 7-man TBs will take way more than that |
| 02:22.50 | Primer | For the adobe file. |
| 02:22.56 | Primer | runs |
| 02:22.58 | Amarande | I think even the six-man TBs take a terabyte |
| 02:23.03 | jleclanche | rainbow tables compress really well |
| 02:23.28 | Arrowmaster | i want to build a file server but i dont think i have room for it |
| 02:23.30 | kd3 | I was feeling bad about hitting 92% on my ~4.3TB. not any more |
| 02:23.32 | Neffi | Archival of what, Wikipedia? |
| 02:23.33 | Primer | but become order of magnitude larger when you add an extra bit |
| 02:23.36 | jleclanche | Amarande: a few terabytes of blizzard patches, a few terabytes of movies, a few terabytes of series, a few terabytes of .. uh.. kittens |
| 02:23.57 | Amarande | I have a "measly" 240 GB on this machine at the moment |
| 02:23.58 | Neffi | lol @ kittens |
| 02:23.58 | Arrowmaster | ive got a 4.5TB almost full and a 3TB almost full |
| 02:24.02 | Neffi | Why archive the patches? |
| 02:24.25 | jleclanche | Neffi: mostly because im just about the only guy left with an archive this size |
| 02:24.34 | Arrowmaster | somebody has to do it |
| 02:24.38 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 02:24.43 | jleclanche | i need to be paid for this shit. |
| 02:24.44 | Neffi | Store them well. In 1000 years, man will study your collection. |
| 02:24.52 | Neffi | "wtf is that panda talking?" |
| 02:24.53 | Arrowmaster | at some point it might be worth it to just store it on amazon |
| 02:25.15 | jleclanche | not with my upload speed .. |
| 02:25.21 | jleclanche | also i need them locally |
| 02:25.35 | jleclanche | i actually operate on them; have some libraries parsing them and shit |
| 02:25.58 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: I am extremely concerned though |
| 02:26.07 | jleclanche | my bittorrent client is freezing my computer |
| 02:26.18 | jleclanche | and its not an issue with the client itself, i tried its command line version |
| 02:26.22 | Neffi | too many seeding things? |
| 02:26.28 | kd3 | change to something else? |
| 02:26.35 | jleclanche | ill try qbittorrent in a mo |
| 02:26.45 | Arrowmaster | what do you normally use? |
| 02:26.50 | jleclanche | transmission-qt |
| 02:26.53 | jleclanche | but I'd like to figure out whats going on. I've never seen something so severe |
| 02:27.02 | Neffi | Somebody said rtorrent was good on resources with a lot of downloads/seeds going |
| 02:27.14 | jleclanche | the entire computer hangs; doesnt reboot. no input of any kind, no output update, no raw mode for keyboard, nothing |
| 02:27.15 | Arrowmaster | rtorrent is commandline |
| 02:27.21 | Neffi | It has frontends |
| 02:27.30 | Arrowmaster | web based ones |
| 02:27.30 | jleclanche | the monitors are frozen on whatever was left |
| 02:27.32 | jleclanche | NOTHING in dmesg |
| 02:27.39 | kd3 | kernel panic? |
| 02:27.41 | Neffi | Do you need anything more sophisticated than a web frontend? |
| 02:27.48 | jleclanche | kernel panic would actually throw me into the kernel |
| 02:27.50 | jleclanche | this is worse |
| 02:27.59 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: ive had that happen when i run out of ram |
| 02:28.22 | Arrowmaster | typically from trying to play a game on this very cheap laptop |
| 02:28.29 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: complete freeze? or just slows down to a crawl? |
| 02:28.47 | Arrowmaster | complete freeze like that where i have to cold reboot |
| 02:28.49 | jleclanche | because this is complete freeze; it happened to me while i was in toulouse and the comp stayed like that for over 24 hours until i rebooted it |
| 02:28.53 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 02:28.56 | jleclanche | ill keep an eye on the ram |
| 02:29.03 | jleclanche | but i have 16 gig |
| 02:29.11 | Arrowmaster | i only have 4 |
| 02:29.19 | Arrowmaster | so its always full |
| 02:30.23 | jleclanche | it seems odd though |
| 02:30.44 | Amarande | I have 8GB, but on an SSD-only system it's apparently wise to disable the swap file altogether |
| 02:30.50 | Amarande | so I keep thinking about the idea of going to 16GB |
| 02:30.52 | jleclanche | my torrent client does write to one of my external hard drives. if its not the ram ill try moving it to the other one |
| 02:31.00 | Amarande | 2x8 kits are painfully expensive atm though :( |
| 02:31.14 | jleclanche | but i *really* want to find out what is causing this. something this severe can only be at the kernel or hardware level |
| 02:31.24 | Amarande | I do have 4 spare 4 GB DIMMs, but that would be going from 1866 to 1333, which is a downgrade |
| 02:32.00 | Amarande | complete freeze can occur from kernel panic, where the kernel crashes in a way that doesn't let it the ability to report the failure |
| 02:32.37 | jleclanche | hell of a bug though |
| 02:33.02 | Arrowmaster | what kinda external drive? usb? |
| 02:33.05 | jleclanche | i suppose it could be caused by a recent kernel update |
| 02:33.22 | jleclanche | yeah, three external hard drives connected through usb/microusb or usb/miniusb |
| 02:33.49 | Arrowmaster | i would start with that, have it only use internal drives for a while |
| 02:33.51 | kd3 | I've had usb stuff completely lock up my system before just from plugging it in |
| 02:34.00 | kd3 | though only on certain ports |
| 02:34.10 | Amarande | kd3: OS-independent? |
| 02:34.12 | Amarande | or buggy driver? |
| 02:34.36 | kd3 | something in the linux stack. I don't have windows installed on bare hardware on this box |
| 02:34.39 | Arrowmaster | yeah ive had an issue with an external usb drive that would just stop working once it went into a sleep state until i unloaded some kernel modules and reloaded them |
| 02:35.00 | jleclanche | kd3: I've had a bad usb cable destroy my mobo's entire builtin usb array |
| 02:35.00 | Arrowmaster | same drive works fine now |
| 02:35.14 | Amarande | only trouble I've ever seen myself with USB drives and Linux is of the "where the fuck does this distro mount this" sort heh |
| 02:35.14 | jleclanche | kd3: but it was just the usb ones. this is a lot worse |
| 02:35.31 | jleclanche | Amarande: /media or /mnt |
| 02:35.36 | jleclanche | havent seen any distro do something else |
| 02:36.10 | Arrowmaster | mine just started putting everything into /media/USERNAME/DRIVELABEL |
| 02:36.38 | Arrowmaster | instead of just /media/DRIVELABEL |
| 02:36.53 | jleclanche | makes sense |
| 02:37.03 | Arrowmaster | now to get them to make /tmp use /tmp/USERNAME by default |
| 02:37.17 | jleclanche | you dont need to |
| 02:37.21 | jleclanche | with systemd anyway |
| 02:37.33 | jleclanche | /tmp is a user-specific virtual fs |
| 02:37.43 | Arrowmaster | interesting |
| 02:38.02 | Arrowmaster | i need to catchup on the recent init system debate in debian |
| 02:38.28 | kd3 | and it's not even fs-backed. /tmp is riding on /dev/shm here in f19 |
| 02:38.54 | jleclanche | systemd is awesome |
| 02:39.06 | jleclanche | people just assumed it'd be bad because "pulse is bad oooh" |
| 02:39.24 | Arrowmaster | pulse is bad |
| 02:39.44 | Arrowmaster | but yeah systemd has a bigger team behind it right |
| 02:39.58 | kd3 | it's not just lennart |
| 02:40.06 | jleclanche | neither are just lennart |
| 02:40.14 | jleclanche | in fact i dont think lennart worked on pulse in a while |
| 02:40.19 | Arrowmaster | seriously why do i have a /.pulse dir |
| 02:40.24 | Arrowmaster | fucking pulse |
| 02:40.35 | jleclanche | i dont have a .pulse dir |
| 02:40.39 | kd3 | ...I don't? |
| 02:40.44 | jleclanche | fuckin' debian. |
| 02:40.54 | Arrowmaster | i have /.pulse dir and /.pulse-cookie file, both owned by root |
| 02:41.19 | jleclanche | .pulse-cookie would be gone if you set one of the XDG variables which nobody bothers to |
| 02:41.33 | jleclanche | $XDG_RUNTIME_HOME iirc |
| 02:42.09 | jleclanche | alright, wine finished building. lets keep an eye on the ram |
| 02:42.38 | Arrowmaster | so when hearthstone goes into open beta will i need a patched wine? |
| 02:42.47 | Arrowmaster | or can i just use crossover 13 |
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| 02:43.47 | kd3 | you still need a patch for the bnet app, I'm not having any issues with hs after that |
| 02:44.08 | Arrowmaster | and bnet app is required for hs? |
| 02:44.16 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:44.49 | Arrowmaster | damn, maybe i can install it in crossover then run it with wine |
| 02:45.03 | Arrowmaster | have i mentioned how much i love crossovers bottle manager |
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| 02:56.05 | adys | Arrowmaster: nothing abnormal. 14% ram usage, 1.6MB/s download speed, few dozen gigs free space on the drive, normal cpu usage |
| 02:56.20 | jleclanche | nothing in dmesg, transmission log |
| 02:57.03 | jleclanche | building qbittorrent see if it happens with it. but it was also happening with transmission-gtk and transmission-cli so .. |
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| 02:59.23 | Amarande | yay overclock crash! |
| 03:00.56 | jleclanche | what? |
| 03:00.59 | jleclanche | oh |
| 03:01.57 | Neffi | stress test your overclocks before general use |
| 03:02.22 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I'm doing atm. :) |
| 03:02.33 | Amarande | 4.1 was stable, tried to hit 4.4 and got some sort of CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT BSOD |
| 03:02.37 | Amarande | 4.3 seems to be stable so far, though |
| 03:03.00 | Neffi | IMO find a good stress and keep it going until the temperature stops deviating |
| 03:03.07 | Neffi | Test your temps and stability at the same time |
| 03:03.10 | Amarande | yeah, temp is stable |
| 03:03.20 | Amarande | 37 according to coretemp (which means more like 55 or so since it's AMD) |
| 03:03.24 | Amarande | tj max is 90, so that's fine |
| 03:09.53 | Amarande | hah I just turned on my cable box for some music ... last channel I left it on was the 80s station |
| 03:09.57 | Amarande | and .... "Never Gonna Give You Up" |
| 03:09.58 | Amarande | LOL |
| 03:10.53 | jleclanche | qbittorrent doesnt seem to be exhibiting the same issue for some reason .... weird |
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| 03:32.19 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: well.. only transmission is doing it |
| 03:32.22 | jleclanche | this makes no sense |
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| 03:33.05 | Arrowmaster | i would still try transmission without the external drive |
| 03:33.31 | Arrowmaster | it could be something in transmissions handling of a fault being different than the other clients |
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| 03:38.54 | Dagmar | Could be that transmission is getting obsessive enough about one thread to kick in magical single-core overclock powers |
| 03:52.19 | jleclanche | Dagmar: i would have seen it in htop |
| 03:52.49 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: i might. at this point im sick of this issue, and my bandwidth is limited |
| 03:53.00 | jleclanche | also qbittorrent is nice |
| 03:55.33 | Amarande | ah, that silly little thing called turbo |
| 03:55.37 | Amarande | which is now useless to me on this rig heh |
| 03:55.40 | Sintacks | is there a simple if not something then ? |
| 03:55.43 | Amarande | since I'm already OCing beyond the Turbo speed |
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| 03:56.03 | Sintacks | laik. mSL I can do if (!server) echo LOL NOT CONNECTED |
| 03:58.12 | Shirik | so I took my temperature today |
| 03:58.31 | Shirik | came back 98.7 so I thought "oh well, I guess I'm not as sick as I thought" |
| 03:58.48 | Shirik | just realized acetaminophen reduces fever and it's worn off now |
| 03:58.52 | Shirik | took it again, 100.1 |
| 03:58.59 | Shirik | tylenol trolling ._. |
| 04:00.47 | Neffi | At least it's only .6 degrees out of normal |
| 04:01.03 | Neffi | I hope your mild fever goes away and you feel better |
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| 04:02.32 | Shirik | yeah i don't feel TOO bad |
| 04:02.36 | Shirik | but it's definitely a confirmation that I caught something |
| 04:04.07 | Amarande | triple digit temperatures are pretty ouch, yeah |
| 04:04.23 | Amarande | especially if I ever experience them ... given that my normal temperature seems to hover around 97.2 |
| 04:06.44 | Torhal | http://blackfridaydeathcount.com/ |
| 04:07.07 | kd3|hate`net | *so* glad I'm not on the retail employee side of the fence for the first time in years... |
| 04:07.54 | Torhal | Definitely. |
| 04:08.20 | Iriel | Which is worse, the sefishness or the sense of entitlement? |
| 04:08.27 | Iriel | [From black friday customers] |
| 04:08.44 | Amarande | I actually have both Thanksgiving and Black Friday off, apparently in part because of ObamaCare. *sigh* |
| 04:09.12 | Torhal | Iriel: I thought they were inextricably linked. |
| 04:09.14 | Amarande | ah well, it'll be nice to enjoy the holiday at home for the first time in years |
| 04:09.26 | Iriel | Torhal: I suspect there's some interdependence, yeah. |
| 04:09.31 | Amarande | not that Black Friday was ever really all that busy in my line of work. I work in a grocery store so BF is actually pretty dead |
| 04:09.50 | Iriel | Is WednesdayBeforeThanksgiving nuts? |
| 04:09.58 | kd3 | managed a starbucks in a target |
| 04:10.02 | Amarande | as for how ObamaCare fits in, that'd be because of them getting way more stringent on hour caps for part-time employees in particular |
| 04:10.20 | kd3 | last year, when we opened at 8 pm thursday night, our line started at 8:30 or so and didn't let up until about 8 am |
| 04:10.23 | Amarande | and, more to the point, apparently the bonus hours for holidays have to be counted as actual worked hours towards the cap now :| |
| 04:10.31 | Amarande | no more getting to work your full slate and get the bonus hours too :( |
| 04:10.53 | Amarande | gotta have your hours cut for holiday weeks to accommodate the bonus |
| 04:11.30 | Amarande | kd3: it took that long for the doorbusters to be sold out? :) |
| 04:11.35 | Arrowmaster | i have thanksgiving off and only have blackfriday off because i rearranged appointments to have it off |
| 04:11.50 | kd3 | we had "doorbusters" hit the floor every 3 hours |
| 04:11.59 | Amarande | ah, you used the newegg shell shocker model |
| 04:12.29 | Arrowmaster | i was going to get one of walmarts doorbuster laptops last year that was supposed to go on sale at 8pm or so |
| 04:12.42 | Arrowmaster | they gave out all the tickets for it around 4 or 5 pm |
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| 04:13.21 | Amarande | I actually wonder if Black Friday will be noticeably lighter in business this year than normal |
| 04:13.28 | Amarande | for two reasons in particular |
| 04:13.57 | Amarande | a) the big gotta have it things this holiday season really were pretty much the PS4 and Xbox, which came out the weeks before and I doubt stock will recover in time for BF |
| 04:14.26 | kd3 | you'd be surprised, then |
| 04:14.36 | Amarande | b) it's part of Hanukkah, and I'm a bit foggy on the rules for that particular holiday, but not sure it's considered proper for Jewish customers to go out shopping during holiday nights |
| 04:15.05 | Amarande | (plus presumably they bought their gifts far ahead of more typical years' holiday schedules, too) |
| 04:15.07 | kd3 | which affects what proportion of the population in most of the country? |
| 04:18.16 | Amarande | yeah, that's true, demographics aren't really something I keep up to date on |
| 04:18.48 | Amarande | but yeah, I wonder how many otherwise Black Friday sales already happened because of the XBone and PS4 launches |
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| 04:19.39 | kd3 | launch day was the die-hard gamers. my old store's got a bit more on hand for thursday/friday than they did on launch day from what I heard |
| 04:19.48 | kd3 | thurs/friday is for *everyone* |
| 04:20.02 | Amarande | yeah, Best Buy was actually surprisingly un-busy on PS4 launch day |
| 04:20.29 | Amarande | I went that day to buy my SSD, thought it would be a mob scene ... though it was also mid afternoon when I went there so maybe they were all sold out by then |
| 04:24.54 | Dagmar | I can only hope the asshole in a tent outside the local Best Buy _right now_ is there for a PS4 |
| 04:25.12 | Dagmar | That's the only thing I can possibly see as maybe being worth that kind of insane-o effort |
| 04:25.23 | Dagmar | ...and I hope they toss his ass out if he tries to buy like five of them. |
| 04:25.30 | Thunder_Child | I can't think of anything worth it. |
| 04:27.02 | Amarande | Heh, exactly, I can just sit in the comfort of my home and order stuff from the Egg or Amazon instead. :P |
| 04:27.24 | Dagmar | The lack of availabiltiy of the PS4's is the only thing that comes close to warranting that effort |
| 04:27.39 | Dagmar | ...but it's pretty much going to be below freezing for the next 36 hours. |
| 04:28.42 | Amarande | hm let's see ... tonight's low 28, tomorrow's high 31, low 20, thanksgiving high 34, low 22 |
| 04:28.46 | Amarande | Dagmar, are you local? *blink* |
| 04:28.59 | Dagmar | Nope, I'm in Nashville. |
| 04:29.07 | kd3 | so glad I live far enough south... we almost hit freezing last night/this morning. we're probably going to hit it tonight |
| 04:29.28 | Dagmar | ...and personally, I'm not sitting around in the cold for 36 hours unless the damn thing comes with a personal blowjob adapter. |
| 04:29.55 | Dagmar | I know the Japanese have made some kinky perhipherals for the thing, but they've just not gotten to that point yet. |
| 04:30.49 | kd3 | jesus christ... watching someone play KSP. 900 parts, 25 stages, trying to get to moho |
| 04:30.59 | Amarande | KSP? |
| 04:31.06 | kd3 | kerbal space program |
| 04:31.08 | Dagmar | Kerbal Space Progrem. |
| 04:31.24 | Dagmar | I suspect some of these designs are probably actually space-worthy |
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| 04:33.04 | karl_w_w | it's pretty easy to make something space worthy |
| 04:34.04 | Amarande | ahh, the wonders of space travel |
| 04:34.04 | Amarande | "I can't describe what it feels like to look directly down at a world, falling continuously as you circle it, with barely fifteen centimeters of armor plate protecting you." |
| 04:38.01 | Arrowmaster | kd3: well moho does take the most deltaV to get to |
| 04:38.25 | kd3 | yah, yah, but he's not being efficient about it. it's hilarious to watch, though |
| 04:38.36 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 04:38.49 | Arrowmaster | is he at least using KER or something similar |
| 04:38.56 | kd3 | nope. playing vanilla |
| 04:39.00 | Arrowmaster | ouch |
| 04:40.33 | Arrowmaster | i should cleanup what mods i have installed and play again |
| 04:43.54 | Sintacks | fucking battle.net app using 400MB of ram |
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| 04:53.29 | Amarande | Sintacks, remember when that was actually a lot? :) |
| 04:54.04 | Neffi | To hell with that. That's a shitload for what it does. |
| 04:54.14 | Neffi | It should get by on a tenth of that |
| 05:05.51 | bluIRCCloudCow | @Sintacks mines using 70 MB idle |
| 05:09.44 | Seerah | Mine's using 31 |
| 05:10.08 | bluIRCCloudCow | ! |
| 05:10.13 | bluIRCCloudCow | *noms Seerah* |
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| 05:22.15 | pompy | gg https://www.facebook.com/Malwarebytes/posts/10152076922746639 |
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| 05:26.09 | Shirik | "Igor Majer i wish i could afford to buy your software the legit way anyway it's one off the best out there. I'm also in need of a job. If u need someone to test software for you remotly, i could help. Contact me at igor_majer@t-2.net. Thank you. Much love." |
| 05:26.17 | Shirik | I headdesked |
| 05:27.34 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 05:27.56 | Dagmar | They charge for MBAM now? |
| 05:28.16 | airtonix | Dagmar: i give bams for free |
| 05:28.20 | airtonix | bam! |
| 05:28.34 | Dagmar | I don't think I'd bother hiring someone so dumb as to pirate the "pro" version of something needlessly. |
| 05:28.43 | airtonix | and pointless |
| 05:28.50 | Dagmar | Then again... his piracy inclinations are probably why he needs the protection in the first place. |
| 05:30.10 | airtonix | "Hi igor, we'd love to have you working in our basement as a destructive testing environment. Does 25cents an hour sound good? (it'll help start the repayment plan of the lawsuit we'll be bringing against you." |
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| 05:33.37 | Amarande | pompy: ouch. pretty sure my swtor guild uses teamspeak :( |
| 05:33.49 | Amarande | btw, why did people mass switch back from vent to TS anyway? |
| 05:34.52 | Dagmar | Mumble, damnit. |
| 05:35.24 | airtonix | noobs imo |
| 05:35.52 | airtonix | has anyone tested google hangouts with 25 people audio only? |
| 05:37.28 | Dagmar | I've done about 12. |
| 05:37.49 | Dagmar | Good luck getting people to understand that they need to quiet their environment and adjust their lighting before they start |
| 05:38.06 | jnwhiteh | mumble. |
| 05:38.12 | airtonix | speak up lad |
| 05:38.46 | Dagmar | My absolute favorite are people who hook up external speakers to their tablet and don't realize that this generally keeps the echo cancellation from doing a fucking thing. |
| 05:38.53 | airtonix | <insert monty python joke about hungarians disrupting the english translation book market> |
| 05:39.26 | Dagmar | ...although with the lighting in my place, it looks like I'm in some kind of witness protection program. |
| 05:41.43 | Amarande | speaking of google hangouts, how much bandwidth does it actually use? |
| 05:44.24 | Dagmar | not a terrible amount actually. |
| 05:44.40 | Dagmar | Everyone who is *not* talking basically stays a low frame rate thumbnail |
| 05:51.49 | jnwhiteh | animated gif |
| 05:51.49 | jnwhiteh | go |
| 05:59.48 | Fisker | animates jnwhiteh |
| 05:59.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 05:59.56 | jnwhiteh | good morning! |
| 06:00.25 | Fisker | morning |
| 06:06.13 | Fisker | oh well get ready for work |
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| 07:12.28 | zenzio | "That's despite the fact that the strongest user-based case for its use - that accountability will prevent trolls from troling - has been killed, drowned in a sea of ASCII penises." |
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| 07:21.25 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/nDakQty.png :| |
| 07:21.35 | Neffi | I've thought this thought before |
| 07:23.49 | zenzio | ... when your phone auto-corrects "thermal" to "thermo-nuclear"... (not mine; from a tweet) |
| 07:28.57 | bleeter | hey Portal2 for Linux is out! |
| 07:31.36 | airtonix | hasn't that been out for quite a while now? |
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| 08:34.57 | Sintacks | Tue 26th |11:53:12 pm| #wowuidev [Amarande] Sintacks, remember when that was actually a lot? :) |
| 08:34.58 | Sintacks | Wed 27th |12:05:35 am| #wowuidev +[bluIRCCloudCow] @Sintacks mines using 70 MB idle |
| 08:35.04 | Sintacks | it is a lot when I'm trying to run two WoWs |
| 08:35.11 | Sintacks | bluIRCCloudCow, how you do dis. |
| 08:35.26 | Sintacks | |11:53:48 pm| [Neffi] To hell with that. That's a shitload for what it does. |
| 08:35.26 | Sintacks | |11:53:58 pm| [Neffi] It should get by on a tenth of that |
| 08:35.28 | Sintacks | exactly |
| 08:35.41 | Sintacks | but that's not as bad as what curse client keeps doing |
| 08:35.46 | Sintacks | when it uses 1.8GB+ |
| 08:36.01 | sintAcks | i go sleep |
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| 09:54.58 | karl_w_w | 122 person login queue |
| 09:55.27 | karl_w_w | I can only assume the next quarterly report will have good news in it |
| 09:56.04 | Trela | Hmm? |
| 09:57.26 | karl_w_w | one of those "hmm?"s that it's impossible to know what to do with |
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| 10:09.34 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope people decentralize a bit with time |
| 10:09.58 | Mr_Rabies | i hope the queues become enough of a niusance that people transfer away from megadense realms |
| 10:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | instead going to connected realms, maybe even their own realm |
| 10:10.41 | Mr_Rabies | er, old realm |
| 10:18.14 | zenzio | would be nice, but for most people there's a "why would I play on an empty server?" issue |
| 10:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | well that's what i'm saying |
| 10:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully connected realms bring things to a level so that it's actually way better to be on a moderately populated realm versus one with a massive queue |
| 10:32.02 | Amarande | though I suspect it's not just the density, but the gathering of skilled raiders as well |
| 10:32.21 | Amarande | comparing say Ysera Alliance and Illidan Horde ... |
| 10:32.46 | Amarande | Ysera is really not lacking for players per se, it's always been at least solid Medium and was actually "High" pop for a while |
| 10:32.59 | Amarande | however, it seems pretty lacking when it comes to people with a real drive to raid |
| 10:33.25 | Amarande | I'm in probably one of Ysera's largest guilds, we have hundreds of people in guild and yet we still couldn't get a 10 man group together |
| 10:34.04 | Amarande | I presume the reason a lot of people play on Illidan is because you can actually find raids there |
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| 10:35.03 | Amarande | not that I ever got high enough level to raid this expansion there, but let's say that for instance, what chokes off conversation in /2 there isn't Anal spam or even (although it occurs) gold seller spam, but the sheer number of LFM announcements for raids |
| 10:35.07 | Silvanas | hello |
| 10:35.42 | zenzio | I'm puzzled by capitalization in AC4 subtitles. Sometimes words seem to randomly be capitalized. "You and your Friend should get Away from here" (not a literal example, as I don't have the game on this computer) |
| 10:36.11 | bleeter | zenzio: it's artistic licence you silly :P |
| 10:36.11 | Silvanas | in the good old day we had the channel LookingForGroup until blizzard decided to make it an automatic channel that only activates whne you are in a LFR queue |
| 10:36.19 | Silvanas | now noone uses it":/ |
| 10:36.28 | zenzio | bleeter: distractring is what it is |
| 10:36.45 | bleeter | zenzio: heathen, philistine! :p |
| 10:36.53 | zenzio | and distracting |
| 10:36.53 | Amarande | Silvanas: the point is that Illidan is constantly lively and active in terms of actually running content |
| 10:36.54 | bleeter | *LUDDITE* |
| 10:37.02 | bleeter | ~luddite zenzio |
| 10:37.08 | Amarande | I was noting why people choose servers that are so densely populated as to produce queues |
| 10:37.16 | bleeter | ~fail purl |
| 10:37.16 | purl | purl, you Fail! |
| 10:37.43 | Silvanas | i am on a verry populated server with login queue every evening :D |
| 10:38.08 | Amarande | though these days I've resubbed to LOTRO for the time being and let my WoW sub lapse again |
| 10:38.25 | bleeter | go RP, there's never a queue |
| 10:38.34 | bleeter | no other players, either... |
| 10:38.43 | Silvanas | unless you come to goldshire |
| 10:38.47 | bleeter | except for the weirdos |
| 10:38.48 | Amarande | and in LOTRO there is much less of a high pop vs. low pop divide |
| 10:38.48 | bleeter | ... |
| 10:38.55 | bleeter | except for those even more weird than me |
| 10:39.03 | Amarande | (smallest servers have about 5% of the playerbase, largest has about 14%) |
| 10:39.27 | Amarande | bleeter: I'm pretty sure Moon Guard is queued :) |
| 10:39.44 | bleeter | Amarande: 21:41 < bleeter> except for those even more weird than me |
| 10:40.07 | bleeter | moonguard falls in to the 'too weird for this universe' set ;) |
| 10:40.21 | Amarande | mind you if I was going RP I'd possibly pick Ravenholdt |
| 10:40.30 | Amarande | for the old school no-CRZ feel |
| 10:40.40 | Amarande | at least I'm pretty sure it's still not CRZ'd, based on the rules for CRZ |
| 10:41.15 | Silvanas | if id go roleplay id go night elf priestitude |
| 10:43.09 | Amarande | you know, speaking of CRZ and connected realms |
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| 10:43.41 | Amarande | how long do you think before the US servers are cut down to about, oh, 20-25 or so only? :) |
| 10:44.31 | Silvanas | probely 2015 when the drop in popularity start to have its toll on the payments |
| 10:45.08 | Amarande | Silvanas: I was thinking more the cumulative effect of the mergers and CRZing |
| 10:45.15 | Amarande | which is that there are four data centres and four realm types |
| 10:45.35 | Amarande | and it seems like it's moving ever closer to there being basically one realm (effectively at least) of each sort on each data centre |
| 10:45.45 | Amarande | (well, except for the mega servers like Tich, KT, and Illidan) |
| 10:46.22 | zenzio | one issue with fewer, larger servers is names |
| 10:46.27 | Amarande | though they'll probably resist that for a while, too |
| 10:46.34 | zenzio | you can only do Legolasssssss for so long |
| 10:47.00 | Amarande | yeah, due to names (which is a constant issue with SW:TOR, actually, as they've merged servers to foster a good level of density after the initial population rush wore off) |
| 10:47.05 | Amarande | also due to money, in two ways |
| 10:47.27 | Amarande | a) because if they cut back on the servers too much it makes investors and executives (like "I pride myself on being a non gamer" Kotick :P) think the game is failing |
| 10:48.25 | Amarande | b) because it's widely believed that Blizzard hates to do any real server mergers because they'd rather let it naturally so that they garner the transfer fees |
| 10:48.44 | karl_w_w | so this pie says to put it in the oven inside it's plastic wrapper |
| 10:48.49 | karl_w_w | I'm not sure about this |
| 10:49.03 | karl_w_w | its* |
| 10:49.04 | zenzio | what temperature is it said to use? |
| 10:49.09 | karl_w_w | 180 |
| 10:49.09 | Amarande | karl: sometimes it works like that, some TV dinners have you not remove the film cover or even vent, too |
| 10:50.07 | karl_w_w | not sure how that's relevant :P |
| 10:50.19 | Amarande | and yeah, as for me taking jabs at Kotick ... seriously. it's one thing to be a typical game megacorp exec who doesn't game oneself, but ... I'm really not sure how having an inherent disconnect with one's products is something to PRIDE oneself on :P |
| 10:50.25 | zenzio | I do believe they've tested the plastic thoroughly |
| 10:50.27 | karl_w_w | a microwave can't make plastic hotter than 100 |
| 10:50.34 | Amarande | that'd be like the CEO of Chevrolet or Ford priding themselves on not driving a car. :| |
| 10:50.58 | Amarande | or if the CEO of Nabisco never ate cookies and prided themselves on that fact |
| 10:52.26 | Amarande | zenzio: don't forget the 47 million accented variants on Arthas |
| 10:52.39 | Amarande | at least that's what I saw on my server throughout much of Wrath :P |
| 10:52.49 | zenzio | yup |
| 10:53.11 | zenzio | not that it makes things much better, but in Anarchy Online you can at least use digits at the end of your nick |
| 10:53.16 | zenzio | Amarande1337 |
| 10:53.19 | nevcairiel | 100F or C? :P |
| 10:53.25 | Amarande | heh, like using battletags as your character name? |
| 10:53.33 | nevcairiel | with all the US weirdos in here, just gotta ask |
| 10:53.54 | Amarande | nev: given that 100F is smack dab in the danger range for food, I doubt anyone would instruct you to cook food to that temp |
| 10:54.03 | zenzio | I'm guessing C. 180 doesn't sound very warm for dinner in F |
| 10:54.58 | Amarande | basically anything 41F-140F (9C-60C) or so is "danger zone" |
| 10:55.01 | nevcairiel | 82C |
| 10:55.13 | Amarande | as a grocery store worker I know this well heh |
| 10:56.08 | karl_w_w | yes, C :P |
| 10:56.42 | karl_w_w | do ovens even go as low as 180 F? |
| 10:56.53 | Amarande | karl: some do as a "warm" setting |
| 10:57.02 | Amarande | our old oven with a dial went down to 150 |
| 10:57.11 | karl_w_w | yeah mine does actually :P |
| 10:57.16 | karl_w_w | it goes down to 60 C |
| 10:57.19 | Amarande | I'm not sure what this one goes down to, it's digital and defaults to 350F when you turn it on |
| 10:57.24 | karl_w_w | which is 140 |
| 10:57.47 | Amarande | and there's no digital entry button and you have to change it by fives, so meh |
| 10:58.21 | karl_w_w | you should get a modern oven |
| 10:58.31 | karl_w_w | they recently invented this thing called a "knob" |
| 10:58.33 | Amarande | karl, not sure how many celsius ovens there are in this country :P |
| 10:58.46 | Amarande | also digital is usually considered more modern :S |
| 10:58.57 | Amarande | sadly sometimes, because buggy firmware can lead to fun things like incinerated food :( |
| 10:59.00 | karl_w_w | I think they named the knob after the penis cos they are funny people |
| 10:59.13 | Amarande | like the time the damn thing activated the door lock and wouldn't let us override it :| |
| 10:59.30 | karl_w_w | you consider this modern? :P |
| 10:59.37 | karl_w_w | my oven you turn on and it works |
| 10:59.46 | karl_w_w | and doesn't try to lock your food away from you |
| 10:59.49 | Amarande | I guess they're more concerned about possible lawsuits when someone's three year old gets blasted with 800 degree oven cleaning air than about anything else there :P |
| 11:00.51 | Amarande | "oh, hi there Injury & Injury, we'd like to put in a suit, you see Jr just defeated the flimsy lock on our oven and pretty much ended up in a small pile of ash like Crash Bandicoot does when he runs into fire ..." |
| 11:01.20 | karl_w_w | my oven has a natural defrosting mode which defrosts food in ~half the time without heating it |
| 11:01.37 | karl_w_w | which is marketing speak for "you can turn the fan on without turning the oven on" |
| 11:01.58 | Silvanas | lol |
| 11:02.00 | Amarande | karl: how does it do that without the food being put in danger temperature for an unacceptable length of time? |
| 11:02.12 | karl_w_w | it doesn't heat the food |
| 11:02.25 | Amarande | that sounds about as safe as when people buy their frozen turkey on the day before the holiday and use warm water baths to thaw it |
| 11:02.36 | Amarande | karl: by the time the inside of anything substantial thaws, the outside is going to be well above 9 C |
| 11:02.56 | Amarande | or wait, more like 4 C |
| 11:03.40 | Amarande | 40F is the cutoff, that's ... hmm ... yeah more like 5C or so |
| 11:04.25 | karl_w_w | 4 and 4 ninths |
| 11:05.16 | Amarande | I guess it must really only be useful if you're thawing relatively small things then |
| 11:06.42 | karl_w_w | segue: I don't understand people's facisnation with turkey |
| 11:06.49 | karl_w_w | ham is so much better |
| 11:09.15 | Amarande | eh, they're both good |
| 11:09.20 | Amarande | but ham is usually convenient enough to have anytime |
| 11:09.31 | Amarande | whereas fresh-cooked turkey is enough of a pain in the ass to make mostly a special occasion thing |
| 11:09.53 | Amarande | for starters, most of the time you can't get a fresh turkey or it's stupidly expensive per pound, so you tend to need to buy it frozen and thaw it in the fridge |
| 11:10.13 | Amarande | and how often do you have enough fridge space for a frozen turkey without going to great efforts to make said space :P |
| 11:10.59 | Amarande | turkey breasts are less painful in the cost terms (especially since the breast is what most of us like to eat anyway here) but there's still the space and thaw time matter |
| 11:11.03 | karl_w_w | if that's not also the case for ham you're doing it wrong :P |
| 11:11.06 | Amarande | whereas grab-and-go ham exists in almost any size :) |
| 11:11.34 | Amarande | the point is ham is a lot easier to have whenever, while turkey is way more work |
| 11:11.52 | karl_w_w | I don't see why |
| 11:12.06 | karl_w_w | how often can you roast a whole ham |
| 11:12.14 | Amarande | karl: like I said, pricing and space |
| 11:12.48 | karl_w_w | pricing doesn't make something better, and hams aren't small either :P |
| 11:12.52 | Amarande | around here, frozen turkey tends to be around 1-1.50 USD per pound, often getting cheaper on sale (which is always offered around TG) |
| 11:13.09 | Amarande | fresh turkeys tend to soar to more like 2 USD per pound |
| 11:13.55 | Amarande | karl: you don't typically have to reserve a huge piece of fridge space for a week in advance with ham, either |
| 11:14.06 | Amarande | that frozen turkey takes 3-5 days or so to thaw out |
| 11:14.32 | Amarande | generally you don't worry about in-the-bird stuffing for ham, either :) |
| 11:14.43 | Amarande | or disintegrating hams on the way out of the roaster pan |
| 11:14.45 | karl_w_w | god |
| 11:15.01 | karl_w_w | why would you ever put stuffing inside poultry |
| 11:15.09 | karl_w_w | waste of stuffing! |
| 11:15.10 | Amarande | karl: it's traditional, especially in this region |
| 11:15.25 | karl_w_w | it's traditional here too, doesn't make it right :P |
| 11:15.27 | Amarande | pretty sure New England still has a bit of a grudge against Nabisco regarding it too :P |
| 11:16.13 | zenzio | so I'm looking at the API for a payment service, and it all looks reasonably nice... until I come across a FAQ entry saying "all input should be sent in ISO-8859-1 or purchases may not be processed" |
| 11:16.16 | karl_w_w | I guess people must just get some kind of insane pleasure out of turkey that I'm just not seeing |
| 11:16.23 | karl_w_w | to make it worth all that effort |
| 11:16.43 | Amarande | karl: there's also the hackturkey sandwiches for days afterwards :) |
| 11:17.15 | Amarande | and hackturkey actually is a pretty special thing :) |
| 11:17.16 | karl_w_w | or ham sandwiches for days afterwards |
| 11:17.39 | Amarande | yeah but those kind of ham sandwiches don't seem in my experience all that much different from regular deli ham sandwiches |
| 11:17.43 | Amarande | apart from the thicker slices |
| 11:18.04 | karl_w_w | the difference between ham and turkey is you can get turkey in more convenient form which is almost as good as roasting your own whole, but roasting your own ham is completely different to convenience ham |
| 11:18.05 | Amarande | turkey that was roasted in an oven, otoh, is generally *way* different in sandwiches from turkey that you buy from the deli slicer |
| 11:18.24 | Amarande | the deli slicer turkey is too damn damp and usually manages to include cartilage in almost every slice |
| 11:18.27 | Amarande | ew, cartilage |
| 11:18.41 | karl_w_w | must be a regional thing |
| 11:18.52 | karl_w_w | or you're cooking your ham wrong :P |
| 11:19.05 | Amarande | karl: actually I haven't really tried fresh roasted ham, either |
| 11:19.18 | Silvanas | intresting i just read there is a secure random lol :D |
| 11:19.18 | Amarande | I'm making the comparison based on cooked ham that comes from the meat department vs. the deli sliced stuff |
| 11:19.57 | Amarande | not oscar mayer stuff mind you, but the kind that's sold in the actual meat case, just fully cooked |
| 11:20.04 | karl_w_w | you should try roasting a ham some time then, it's godlike :P |
| 11:20.07 | Amarande | thick sliced, like a regular spiral sliced ham |
| 11:21.18 | karl_w_w | turkey has the market cornered on thanksgiving, give christmas to ham! |
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| 11:27.37 | Amarande | here Christmas is usually about rib roast |
| 11:28.08 | Amarande | and again pricing justifies it pretty well. actually even more so than for turkey at Thanksgiving |
| 11:28.25 | Amarande | because beef rib roast is EFFING expensive, so you really do want it to be a special occasion thing heh |
| 11:28.45 | Amarande | regular price for beef rib roast around here is usually close to 10 USD a pound |
| 11:29.29 | Amarande | if not more, since it's usually priced the same as beef ribeye steak and that tends to range from about 10-13 USD/lb |
| 11:30.21 | Amarande | hah how'd cracked put it, the first thing you need to do after christmas is start saving for next christmas? LOL |
| 11:33.09 | Amarande | *cues some rock music* We built this country! We built this country on DEBT and BILLS! :) |
| 11:42.22 | bleeter | if your christmas doesn't involve beer, barbie and beach then you're doing it wrong |
| 11:42.52 | bleeter | oh and crippling pain from sunburn |
| 11:43.15 | bleeter | and maybe a near death experience with a native animal if your lucky |
| 11:45.41 | Amarande | bleeter: actually my liquor of choice this holiday is tequila |
| 11:46.04 | Amarande | mostly since I haven't had tequila in a while and had a craving for Don Julio |
| 11:46.17 | Amarande | which is otherwise far too expensive to justify buying :P |
| 11:47.36 | Gnarfoz | zenzio: they can't get very many international payments then :D |
| 11:48.01 | Amarande | I suppose I could fire up the BBQ this holiday season too |
| 11:48.05 | zenzio | Gnarfoz: nope, but they're pretty much just for Scandinavian countries |
| 11:48.06 | Amarande | well, not today, it's raining :p |
| 11:48.21 | Amarande | beach, it's a little cold for, I'm not really a polar bear club type LOL |
| 11:48.31 | Gnarfoz | for which 8859-1 is not enough, either |
| 11:48.34 | Amarande | bleeter, I'm guessing you're from Aus or NZ |
| 11:48.48 | zenzio | Gnarfoz: why wouldn't it be? |
| 11:49.52 | Gnarfoz | isn't russian relevant in some parts of Finland? I dunno :D |
| 11:50.02 | Gnarfoz | just guessing since 8859-1 is so limited |
| 11:50.06 | zenzio | don't think so... but no idea |
| 11:50.19 | zenzio | not an issue for us anyway, we're just dealing with Norway |
| 12:14.23 | karl_w_w | watching breaking bad, think: "omg what a fuckin idiot, why would you just leave that lying around" |
| 12:18.04 | Amarande | anyway, speaking of it being raining and a little cold and this country being built on debt and bills |
| 12:18.06 | Amarande | time to go to work, heh |
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| 12:23.19 | karl_w_w | wow fuck hearthstone |
| 12:23.29 | karl_w_w | deals me a mind control |
| 12:23.44 | karl_w_w | i mulligan it and 1 other thing, it gives me 2 mind controls |
| 12:35.49 | zenzio | mulligan? |
| 12:37.19 | karl_w_w | carey mulligan, obviously |
| 12:38.01 | karl_w_w | or more likely, when you get to replace cards at the start |
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| 13:38.21 | iShirik | ~ping |
| 13:38.21 | purl | ~pong |
| 13:38.54 | zenzio | iShirik, ShirikPro... could you be a little more subtle about your sponsor? |
| 13:39.15 | iShirik | crappy airport wireless :( |
| 13:40.28 | iShirik | I can barely get to the googles right now :( |
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| 13:46.33 | zenzio | hey there peppity |
| 13:51.08 | foxlit | we're not in trouble until it's MagiciShirikPro |
| 13:51.25 | iShirik | ? |
| 13:51.45 | foxlit | "zenzio: iShirik, ShirikPro... could you be a little more subtle about your sponsor?" |
| 13:53.41 | iShirik | still confused |
| 13:53.48 | iShirik | but ok |
| 13:53.58 | zenzio | of course you are ;)I |
| 13:54.00 | zenzio | -I |
| 13:55.09 | Semlar | could you be a little more subtle about your confusion? |
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| 13:57.32 | iShirik | boarding time bai |
| 14:11.08 | karl_w_w | http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/473-argent-squire is that meant to be a human or what? |
| 14:11.19 | karl_w_w | it looks more like a maghar orc to me |
| 14:13.17 | zenzio | what, Maghar orcs can't be alliance squires? |
| 14:13.24 | zenzio | though yeah, it doesn't look very human |
| 14:14.26 | karl_w_w | implying argent = alliance? |
| 14:17.28 | Maldivia | argent dawn, argent crusade, etc aren't alliance only |
| 14:18.50 | zenzio | karl_w_w: more implying that I clearly should not be coding more today since I'm confusing words :-| |
| 14:18.55 | zenzio | thankfully only 40 minutes left |
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| 14:21.47 | tlund | noob here. http://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/473-argent-squire what is the difference between to two cards? one looks .. more expensive, but they have the same stats? |
| 14:22.38 | nevcairiel | golden cards |
| 14:22.44 | tlund | (the one on the right is a "golden card" i guess, but what does it mean?) |
| 14:23.20 | nevcairiel | during play, the cards are the same |
| 14:23.31 | nevcairiel | its a collection aspect |
| 14:23.39 | tlund | ah. thank you nevcairiel. |
| 14:23.50 | nevcairiel | golden cards can have unique animations and of course the golden "foil" thing |
| 14:24.16 | tlund | ah, so when you play the golden card, it does some animation, or plays a sound? |
| 14:24.29 | tlund | (saw that in the blizzcon videos i think) |
| 14:24.37 | karl_w_w | no different to a regular card |
| 14:24.50 | karl_w_w | they all have sounds |
| 14:24.59 | nevcairiel | the cards themself have a bit of animation on them |
| 14:25.05 | nevcairiel | so they just look prettier in your deck |
| 14:25.21 | tlund | Ah |
| 14:25.48 | karl_w_w | and they have a gold frame on the board |
| 14:25.55 | karl_w_w | and the animation |
| 14:25.59 | karl_w_w | on the card art |
| 14:26.23 | karl_w_w | the golden taunt frame looks nice |
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| 15:00.45 | zenzio | "class ZombieFetus", "class FaceOfAVirus"... I'm guessing this guy's making a game of some sort |
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| 15:01.28 | Fisker | test tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:02.20 | Fisker | I didn't know you were selling yourself Shirik |
| 15:03.21 | foxlit | gr, there's still no 5.4.2. Slowpokes. |
| 15:03.23 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik is too expensive for everyday wear, Fisker. I suggest blue jeans instead. |
| 15:03.37 | Fisker | Yeah I already use blue jeans |
| 15:04.55 | jleclanche | haha the star system votes |
| 15:05.09 | jleclanche | "Argh! So many options! Can't decide! BLACK HOLE!" |
| 15:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | Turkey isn't food. Discuss this statement in terms of Thanksgiving blasphemy. :) |
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| 15:19.41 | Semlar | turkey is food there's nothing to discuss |
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| 15:24.15 | amro | what I don't get is why americans cook whole turkey only at thanksgiving, and at any other time the only turkey you can find is the deli kind |
| 15:24.51 | Semlar | because cooking a whole turkey is impractical as hell |
| 15:24.56 | foxlit | So I have a fun question: /run function t(...) return (select(2, issecurevariable(...))) end |
| 15:25.19 | foxlit | /dump t(hash_SecureCmdList, "/OPIE"), t(hash_SecureCmdList, "/SPADE") --> "OPie", "Spade" |
| 15:25.22 | foxlit | "How?" |
| 15:25.32 | amro | Semlar: I mean there's only one or the other, but not say chunks of turkey breast |
| 15:25.39 | amro | or turkey tenders |
| 15:25.53 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.14 | Semlar | i think thanksgiving puts people off turkey for the entire year |
| 15:26.31 | Semlar | you'll have to settle for chicken |
| 15:27.10 | amro | I'm not in the states anymore, but the lack of good turkey annoyed me to no end when I was there |
| 15:27.14 | Semlar | it's probably not actually very lucrative to sell turkey outside of the holiday season |
| 15:27.39 | amro | they sell the deli 'not even sure what's in this thing' kind of turkey |
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| 15:40.49 | kwyjibo | is it possible to bind a key that will behave differently on a flying mount than when standing on the ground? ie: the down arrow key descends in flight but moves backward when unmounted? |
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| 15:44.03 | Semlar | i think you could probably pull that off |
| 15:44.40 | Semlar | not sure if you could do it in combat |
| 15:45.18 | kwyjibo | oh |
| 15:53.28 | alestane | You might be able to do that with a secure action button. |
| 15:55.06 | alestane | At one point it was suggested that secure buttons could execute key bindings. I don't recall if it ever got implemented. |
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| 15:56.13 | kwyjibo | i see |
| 15:57.47 | alestane | It doesn't look like it was. I think there might have been concern that people would use it to control movement. |
| 15:58.39 | kwyjibo | maybe there's an addon already that does this |
| 15:58.50 | nevcairiel | I'm sure foxlit would |
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| 16:03.21 | foxlit | alestane: At one point it was suggested that secure buttons could execute key bindings. I don't recall if it ever got implemented. << it didn't. |
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| 16:03.53 | alestane | If you read my next entry, yes, I'm aware. |
| 16:04.39 | foxlit | meh, reading. |
| 16:05.38 | foxlit | But to backtrack further to the original question, you could probably do what you want anyway. |
| 16:06.20 | kwyjibo | which addon, again? |
| 16:07.10 | foxlit | Actually, yeah, you can do that. |
| 16:08.28 | foxlit | kwyjibo: I don't think there's an addon that does it at the moment, but I'm not actually familiar with every addon out there. |
| 16:08.50 | kwyjibo | oh. just thought someone meant one of yours could do it |
| 16:10.19 | foxlit | I read an implicit [know] into nev's line, but I think [would control movement] might've been intended. Silly me? |
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| 16:11.15 | kwyjibo | is so out of his element |
| 16:12.29 | TC-Work | That's ok, so is foxlit. What you are asking for doesn't break wow. |
| 16:16.37 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 16:16.40 | kwyjibo | :) |
| 16:16.41 | Fisker | know how long the sale is for? |
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| 16:21.34 | foxlit | kwyjibo: something like http://pastebin.com/LGUqv6j8 should work, but actually fails in a somewhat amusing way. |
| 16:22.28 | nevcairiel | amusing? |
| 16:23.28 | foxlit | have a guess. |
| 16:23.36 | nevcairiel | i would rather go try |
| 16:25.09 | kwyjibo | falling to death? |
| 16:25.16 | nevcairiel | hm i cant fly up anymore :D |
| 16:25.25 | nevcairiel | hm now i fixed it |
| 16:25.27 | nevcairiel | weird |
| 16:25.33 | foxlit | actually relatively straightforward |
| 16:25.46 | nevcairiel | now i was stuck in a backwards motion |
| 16:26.16 | foxlit | if you transition between the two states while holding the binding, the original handler never sees the release event |
| 16:26.25 | nevcairiel | that makes sense |
| 16:26.27 | foxlit | so you keep descending or walking backwards. |
| 16:26.56 | nevcairiel | can probably be fixed with some secure voodoo to delay the change to the release |
| 16:27.31 | foxlit | there's no such thing. |
| 16:28.10 | nevcairiel | what thing |
| 16:28.23 | foxlit | "some secure voodoo [which would] delay the change to the release" |
| 16:29.43 | nevcairiel | i suppose that would require being able to actually delegate to keybinds |
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| 16:31.06 | foxlit | which I think brings us back to alestane and controlling movement. |
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| 16:32.47 | foxlit | [It's disappointing how much functionality is denied because of fear of monsters under your bed, while the actual monsters in your cupboard go unaddressed.] |
| 16:37.26 | Dagmar | Easy problem to solve. Put a motion-activated light under the bed. |
| 16:37.39 | Dagmar | That way if there's a monster under there, the light will come on. |
| 16:37.54 | Dagmar | Of course, you only need to tell the kid it's a motion-activated light. |
| 16:38.08 | Dagmar | What it should really be is a _remotely controlled light_ |
| 16:38.09 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 16:39.09 | kwyjibo | wahaha |
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| 16:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | prepares to staple Unkle to her desk. |
| 16:46.04 | bluIRCCloudCow | kinky |
| 16:46.17 | bluIRCCloudCow | soooooo |
| 16:46.27 | bluIRCCloudCow | what port does the Curse Client use ? |
| 16:46.52 | nevcairiel | ..for? |
| 16:47.20 | bluIRCCloudCow | network stuffs! |
| 16:47.25 | bluIRCCloudCow | displaying info |
| 16:47.30 | foxlit | [in unrelated thoughts, it would be cool to have an addon-updating client based on DHT, without centralized servers.] |
| 16:47.34 | nevcairiel | i would guess it just pulls it over http |
| 16:47.34 | bluIRCCloudCow | retrieving info from the curse site |
| 16:47.39 | bluIRCCloudCow | updating addons |
| 16:48.14 | nevcairiel | foxlit: that might be interesting, no need to upload releases, they just spread themself! |
| 16:48.36 | nevcairiel | although u sers are no fan of p2p |
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| 16:48.43 | nevcairiel | unless they get porn out of it |
| 16:48.43 | bluIRCCloudCow | in mother russia addon update you! |
| 16:48.59 | nevcairiel | its soviet russia |
| 16:49.02 | nevcairiel | not mother |
| 16:49.04 | bluIRCCloudCow | :| |
| 16:50.48 | Fisker | staples Lopeppeppy to the desk together with unkl |
| 16:50.50 | Fisker | dmanit |
| 16:50.51 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:50.54 | Fisker | damnit as well |
| 16:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Could be fun. |
| 16:51.02 | nevcairiel | fisker is failing today |
| 16:51.02 | foxlit | nevcairiel: free addon updates might be reasonable bait. |
| 16:51.08 | Fisker | yes nevcairiel |
| 16:51.48 | nevcairiel | foxlit: but then, i make money with people using curse client, so shooo |
| 16:52.48 | foxlit | nevcairiel: imagine the takedown letters! |
| 16:53.16 | foxlit | "zomg you guys stop filesharing my intellectual properties!" |
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| 16:55.53 | Fisker | do you hate me nevcairiel? |
| 16:56.11 | nevcairiel | i am no hater |
| 16:58.24 | Fisker | good |
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| 17:35.29 | Dagmar | I like Fisker's mask |
| 17:36.44 | Fisker | thanks Dagmar |
| 17:37.22 | Dagmar | You're welcome. :) |
| 17:58.52 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple Unkle |
| 17:58.52 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Unkle quite well, and hands Unkle to lopeppeppy |
| 17:59.27 | Unkle | Seriously... |
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| 18:02.26 | Unkle | Pidgin refuses to connect to google today. |
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| 18:22.27 | fewyn | does anyone else have an issue where you have to click the find group button on the raid finder a couple times to make it queue or is it just me? |
| 18:22.39 | fewyn | happens mainly when i am queueing for seperate wings all at once |
| 18:24.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.46 | Ressy | holy shit. |
| 18:26.50 | Ressy | Ghostcrawler's leaving Blizzar |
| 18:26.59 | kd3 | ! |
| 18:27.04 | Unkle | say whaaaaa ?! |
| 18:27.09 | Ressy | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3597-Ghostcrawler-to-leave-Blizzard-Entertainment |
| 18:27.54 | Unkle | Wow. |
| 18:29.09 | Dagmar | runs in circles |
| 18:29.25 | Unkle | the sky is falling? |
| 18:30.00 | Dagmar | I guess his options vested. |
| 18:30.57 | kd3 | the taint thing seems straightforward enough, foxlit |
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| 18:37.23 | nevcairiel | i forgot, does taint 1 actually tell you when the execution path was tainted leading up to the blocked function? |
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| 18:39.23 | foxlit | nevcairiel: see the examples; it kind-of-but-not-really does. |
| 18:39.52 | nevcairiel | in short, the taintlog is useless? |
| 18:40.09 | foxlit | in short, the taintlog is kind of useless. |
| 18:40.50 | foxlit | (my contention is that there's /some/ value in knowing what was blocked, but it can't actually be used to accurately debug most issues) |
| 18:40.54 | nevcairiel | i wonder if an addon would make sense that would store all kinds of "what is tainted" information, gathering the info when a block occured |
| 18:42.14 | foxlit | an addon's access to the "what is tainted" information is severely limited to begin with. |
| 18:43.53 | nevcairiel | so basically, always write your addons as defensively as possible, and we are kind of screwed? |
| 18:44.45 | nevcairiel | somehow i feel like the taint log was more useful when it was new, and it eventually lost a bit of the info what caused the current taint |
| 18:44.51 | nevcairiel | but maybe i remember wrong |
| 18:47.05 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I think you might be thinking of level 2, which is kind of like that, as long as you don't think too much about it. |
| 18:48.11 | foxlit | It does have the "execution tainted here because it accessed a tainted global" events, which is okay, |
| 18:49.02 | foxlit | but a tainted global isn't the only way to taint the execution, so it's not helpful in every case. |
| 19:06.43 | bleeter | how dare GC contemplate a life away from Blizz |
| 19:06.48 | bleeter | the nerve of some people |
| 19:07.21 | bleeter | was bad enough when Slouken decided he could have a life, this is going too far |
| 19:07.31 | bleeter | crap, I missed some chars there |
| 19:07.35 | bleeter | !11!1!!!1!!111!!!1!!!! |
| 19:07.37 | bleeter | fix't |
| 19:09.28 | Fisker | RIP Slouken |
| 19:09.30 | Fisker | not so RIP GC |
| 19:09.58 | Sajaki | i was thinking.. is there any other game with a web API as rich as that of wow ? i think not http://blizzard.github.io/api-wow-docs/ |
| 19:10.24 | foxlit | gw2 does magical things. |
| 19:10.27 | Fisker | WoW doesn't have a web api |
| 19:12.21 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Fisker |
| 19:12.21 | purl | beats Fisker into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 19:12.29 | Fisker | hey Esamynn|work |
| 19:12.32 | Fisker | why do you hurt me? |
| 19:12.46 | Esamynn|work | because you're being specifically obtuse :P |
| 19:12.50 | Esamynn|work | as per usual |
| 19:12.52 | foxlit | Sajaki: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/API have fun. |
| 19:13.42 | Sajaki | doesnt come close. no character api |
| 19:14.21 | TC-Work | Crap, steam sale |
| 19:14.28 | TC-Work | There goes my monies |
| 19:14.39 | foxlit | Sajaki: and wow doesn't publish a list of known items :P |
| 19:15.30 | Fisker | nah Esamynn|work |
| 19:15.47 | foxlit | in any case, I'm probably underestimating the usefulness of looking at someone's character data. Active world events seem far more interesting. |
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| 19:17.05 | Esamynn|work | threatens Fisker with Dr Who spoilers |
| 19:17.39 | bleeter | Susan is actually Dr Who's grandmother |
| 19:17.50 | TC-Work | I am super amused at the bottom of the steam sale |
| 19:17.58 | Fisker | go ahead Esamynn|work |
| 19:18.02 | Fisker | But stil nah |
| 19:18.19 | Esamynn|work | nah... what? |
| 19:19.15 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: that is pretty good, but really, their spring is almost over, officially |
| 19:19.44 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: What? who is 'their'? |
| 19:20.05 | Esamynn|work | the upside down ppls |
| 19:20.28 | bleeter | good on Steam for acknowledging us |
| 19:20.36 | Esamynn|work | heheh |
| 19:20.42 | bleeter | it's not like Blizz or Google do that much |
| 19:20.56 | bleeter | I still want a surfing and bbq annual world event in WoW |
| 19:21.08 | bleeter | and don't get me started about GSoC |
| 19:23.02 | TC-Work | http://store.steampowered.com/app/257650/ That's kinda nifty. |
| 19:23.19 | TC-Work | Good for people with one largeish monitor |
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| 19:39.14 | Ackis | I just realized I'm eating a banana and holding it like a joint as I eat it... food4thought |
| 19:39.54 | zenzelezz | well, you could've been holding it like something else... |
| 19:44.49 | TC-Work | Which is how most people hold it. |
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| 19:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | Hoppy turkeys, everyone. I'll talk to you on Monday! |
| 19:57.20 | Neffi | envisions turkeys hopping around. |
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| 20:07.40 | Ackis | hahah one of my cats is an idiot... he's paw has been sore for a few days and he hasn't let us look at it... today we got the towel out, wrapped him up and took a look. The dumb fuck managed to declaw himself (two claws) |
| 20:10.23 | zenzelezz | I don't really find that very funny |
| 20:12.10 | Ackis | this cat is dumb as fuck he's always doing stupid shit, and no this won't kill him, it's like ripping out a nail for us :P |
| 20:17.34 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10715261517 |
| 20:17.43 | zenzelezz | Ackis: yeah, and that's not very fun either |
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| 20:29.00 | Dagmar | Ackis: Sometimes a banana is only a banana |
| 20:31.20 | Kaylin | sometimes a gem is just a gem. |
| 20:32.02 | Maldivia | and sometimes the banana and the gem come together to make magic |
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| 20:38.58 | Fisker | :( |
| 20:40.07 | Ackis | Dagmar: I was just reading a reddit thread about bananas |
| 20:40.32 | zenzelezz | I'm sure you were |
| 20:40.48 | zenzelezz | "reddit" and "bananas" |
| 20:41.03 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/1rkij9/my_girlfriend_works_at_an_animal_shelterso_when/ |
| 20:41.12 | Ackis | A banana is apparently a unit of measurement |
| 20:41.42 | Dagmar | They do seem a bit obsessed with bananas there of late. |
| 20:42.16 | zenzelezz | maybe they hit puberty |
| 20:43.01 | Dagmar | Well, they're finding mention of bananas in positively bizarre places now that they're looking for them. |
| 20:43.11 | kd3 | it started in a thread where a guy "found" a secret room in his house. in one of the images of the gallery, he used a banana for scale |
| 20:43.39 | Dagmar | Like, a picture of some boat dock showed up the other day. For no discernible reason next to the usual "You could drown here" warnings was a sign that said "No bananas past this point", with a picture of a banana. |
| 20:44.41 | Neffi | Banana for scale is an imgur thing |
| 20:44.45 | Neffi | imgur's been leaking lately |
| 20:54.03 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/youtube-tries-to-stem-the-flow-of-a-new-kind-of-terrible-comments/ - like the picture on there? (Second picture) |
| 20:54.59 | Dagmar | lol |
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| 21:05.51 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/2QTQfjq.jpg very intersting |
| 21:07.02 | Unkle | Euros like the cold. |
| 21:08.04 | Mr_Rabies | when did ghostcrawler start at blizzard? |
| 21:08.20 | Unkle | He says 6 years. So 2007? |
| 21:08.22 | nevcairiel | we just have the gulf stream that heats europe even if its more to the north then the americas |
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| 21:09.41 | Neffi | I think you missed the point of the chart, Unkle |
| 21:09.42 | nevcairiel | many people dont realize that paris is about on the same latitude as the US-Canadian border |
| 21:10.07 | Unkle | Neffi: No, I just made a cheap, throw-away joke. |
| 21:10.16 | Neffi | i c |
| 21:10.30 | Mr_Rabies | looks like he did design on halo wars which released in 2009, so probably left when ensemble started to have issues |
| 21:11.17 | Unkle | Going to toddle off to do some errands. |
| 21:11.21 | Unkle | ciao |
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| 21:24.01 | Mr_Rabies | i was really hoping ghostcrawler would have stuck around for warcraft 4, but i guess he could always return for that |
| 21:24.42 | nevcairiel | they did say all their RTS focus is on starcraft for the time being |
| 21:24.50 | nevcairiel | so doubtful its going to happen anytime soon |
| 21:26.43 | Fisker | night friendos and nevcairiel |
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| 21:58.37 | jleclanche | fewyn: "P.P.S. I play a Holy Priest. " |
| 21:58.52 | jleclanche | blizzard is so fucked |
| 21:59.15 | Semlar | there's a fan update to mobinfo on wowi? |
| 21:59.26 | Semlar | isn't it being maintained on curse |
| 21:59.46 | Semlar | maybe it's broken |
| 21:59.49 | TC-Work | Holy crap Illustrator is so much more difficult than Photoshop. |
| 22:00.08 | Semlar | i wouldn't say that |
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| 22:01.01 | Semlar | it has a pretty similar toolset |
| 22:01.37 | TC-Work | It's interaction with objects is more complicated |
| 22:01.45 | TC-Work | Its* |
| 22:02.11 | Semlar | it's more focused on text and creating illustrations |
| 22:02.42 | Semlar | but photoshop has a pretty damn high learning curve too if you want to get into everything |
| 22:03.28 | Semlar | i mean you can do actual 3D work in photoshop now |
| 22:03.49 | TC-Work | Import a floor plan into AI from a PDF, it's amazing, but there are so many fiddily bits. |
| 22:03.53 | Maldivia | hmm, wowhead has a bit of a screwup with its strings it seems, or well on the heartstone page anyway :) |
| 22:04.51 | Neffi | should report in #wowhead |
| 22:05.33 | Maldivia | it's funny - mana cost is "Please enter your new password." :P |
| 22:07.22 | TC-Work | Sounds legit |
| 22:08.58 | Cairenn | fewyn: ^^ |
| 22:09.12 | fewyn | what |
| 22:09.14 | fewyn | link Maldivia |
| 22:09.16 | fewyn | please |
| 22:09.23 | Maldivia | any deck |
| 22:09.59 | Maldivia | statistics has mana cost listed as "new password", sorting in comment is "this comment is deleted ..." |
| 22:10.18 | Maldivia | export deck has "You may learn Mastery from your trainer at level 80" as an option |
| 22:10.55 | Maldivia | and "No matches found" is a sort option for sorting cards in a deck |
| 22:11.09 | kd3 | eh, they just pushed the warcraft movie back a quarter. I wonder how many more of those are going to happen |
| 22:11.17 | fewyn | http://www.hearthhead.com/deck=550/basic-druid i'm not seeing it anywhere? |
| 22:11.22 | fewyn | what browser are you using |
| 22:11.28 | Maldivia | chrome |
| 22:11.39 | fewyn | stable dev bleeding edge? |
| 22:12.09 | Maldivia | dev |
| 22:13.30 | Maldivia | fewyn: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwuwcg5x5cbeyhx/Screenshot%202013-11-28%2000.12.42.png |
| 22:13.32 | Semlar | looks fine in firefox |
| 22:14.04 | fewyn | can you clear your cache? |
| 22:14.48 | kd3 | oh, that reminds me... the front page -"Check out our deckbuilder and card database" link to wowhead, which then bounce back |
| 22:16.53 | Maldivia | fewyn: cleared the cache, still shows those strings -- shows correctly in other browsers on this computer though, so could be chrome-dev issue? |
| 22:17.04 | fewyn | probably chrome dev issue |
| 22:17.28 | Semlar | how does that even happen |
| 22:17.33 | Maldivia | hilarious none the less :) |
| 22:17.47 | Semlar | aren't these static values |
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| 22:18.38 | iShirik | so here's a scary thought |
| 22:18.46 | iShirik | I'm currently on a secured wireless network; my aunt's |
| 22:18.56 | iShirik | I never entered the password to it, but somehow it was able to connect |
| 22:19.09 | iShirik | I didn't own this laptop until a week ago, so I've definitely never connected to it on this before |
| 22:19.12 | iShirik | wtf |
| 22:19.13 | kd3 | does she have any apple devices? |
| 22:19.27 | Semlar | does it have the exact same ssid and password as another network |
| 22:19.34 | iShirik | lol no |
| 22:19.38 | iShirik | kd3: not sure, probably |
| 22:19.43 | Neffi | Are you sure it's secure? |
| 22:19.48 | iShirik | yes |
| 22:19.50 | Semlar | clearly not |
| 22:19.50 | Neffi | Maybe it's unsecure+encrypted |
| 22:19.52 | iShirik | I've had to type in the password before |
| 22:19.59 | iShirik | I also know what the password is |
| 22:20.05 | Neffi | On another machine? |
| 22:20.08 | iShirik | yes |
| 22:20.09 | fewyn | maybe it has a blank password? |
| 22:20.12 | kd3 | if you've used an apple device on that network before, your apple account knows the password |
| 22:20.16 | fewyn | voodo magic maybe? |
| 22:20.17 | iShirik | orly |
| 22:20.21 | Neffi | Does Apple store that data in the cloud, perhaps? |
| 22:20.24 | iShirik | I've probably used my iphone here before |
| 22:20.28 | kd3 | it'll "helpfully" fill that in on any other hardware you own |
| 22:20.29 | Semlar | apple knows all your passwords! |
| 22:20.32 | Semlar | AND WHERE YOU LIVE |
| 22:20.35 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:20.41 | Semlar | OH GODS |
| 22:20.58 | Neffi | I'd be for storing my wifi passwords in the cloud. I hate having to enter them on every device ,and again after resetting a device |
| 22:21.15 | Semlar | have you tried being poor |
| 22:21.20 | Semlar | then you only have one device |
| 22:21.22 | Neffi | Most of my life, yes |
| 22:21.37 | iShirik | lies |
| 22:21.42 | iShirik | not having money is not an excuse to not buy things |
| 22:21.43 | Neffi | Right now I only do have one device :| |
| 22:21.45 | iShirik | just use credit |
| 22:21.49 | iShirik | that's how our economy works |
| 22:21.54 | iShirik | buy all the things you don't need with money you don't have |
| 22:21.55 | Neffi | the world doesnt work like that iShirik |
| 22:21.56 | Neffi | =( |
| 22:22.10 | Neffi | At least not for poor people |
| 22:22.18 | kd3 | it works until the first card in the house of cards falls over |
| 22:22.44 | TC-Work | That's how people become poor. |
| 22:23.02 | Semlar | on the other hand that's how corporations just continue operating as if nothing happened |
| 22:23.12 | Neffi | A lot of people become poor because their parents made mistakes, not they |
| 22:23.26 | Neffi | And it's hard to dig your way out of that when your parents cannot help you |
| 22:24.10 | Semlar | then explain batman |
| 22:24.23 | Neffi | His parents were rich as fuck |
| 22:24.32 | Neffi | He was born with a silver utensil in his mouth |
| 22:24.36 | Semlar | yeah but they were DEAD |
| 22:24.44 | Neffi | But they helped him nonetheless |
| 22:24.56 | Semlar | helped him realize his dream of becoming a bat |
| 22:25.09 | Neffi | o shit http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/once-great-ssd-manufacturer-ocz-filing-for-bankruptcy/ |
| 22:25.17 | iShirik | wat |
| 22:25.19 | TC-Work | Actually them being dead helped him financially |
| 22:28.02 | Ackis | hrmmm job interview Have I |
| 22:28.13 | Neffi | congo rats & good luck |
| 22:31.41 | foxlit | quick poll: what do you do with the battle pet daily reward bags? Open them immediately, or? |
| 22:33.01 | Semlar | are you expecting their contents to change |
| 22:34.07 | foxlit | no, I'm expecting people to be weird about stacking them up and opening them all at once or something. |
| 22:34.15 | Semlar | oh |
| 22:34.44 | Arrowmaster | iShirik: WPS |
| 22:34.46 | Semlar | well, at some point i added the ability to immediately open every container i looted to my autoaccept addon and never looked back |
| 22:34.58 | iShirik | WPS? |
| 22:35.51 | Arrowmaster | the push the button instead of having to enter the password wifi feature, its also extremely broken |
| 22:36.30 | iShirik | o |
| 22:36.33 | iShirik | do people actually use that? |
| 22:36.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont know but its enabled by default on a ton of home wifi routers |
| 22:36.57 | Semlar | i don't think i've ever gotten it to work |
| 22:37.35 | Arrowmaster | and a lot of them have it enabled constantly instead of making you push a button on the router to enable it for a short time period |
| 22:37.57 | Arrowmaster | that basically makes the encryption as good as a 4 digit pincode |
| 22:40.54 | TC-Work | At least they started making them secure by default. |
| 22:41.01 | TC-Work | That was not always the case. |
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| 23:04.34 | karl_w_w | finally, the guy who stole my mage wards and eyes of the beast and the 5 second rule is gone! :P |
| 23:06.06 | karl_w_w | and almost all my totems! |
| 23:06.08 | Neffi | karl_w_w: what? |
| 23:06.23 | TC-Work | No one knows |
| 23:07.22 | karl_w_w | Neffi: ghostcrawler is leaving blizzard |
| 23:11.51 | TC-Work | He stole your 5-second rule? |
| 23:12.20 | karl_w_w | if you like |
| 23:12.24 | Neffi | eyes of the beast is gone? |
| 23:12.34 | karl_w_w | he stole everyone's, to be more accurate |
| 23:12.37 | Neffi | Wrong direction |
| 23:13.11 | Neffi | Non-arena PvP should be brought back to larger games, where tactics are thought out |
| 23:13.27 | Neffi | Misc abilities like this have interesting potential |
| 23:13.46 | Neffi | i cant be the only one that things 10-minute rush games are boring |
| 23:14.25 | TC-Work | As opposed to AV's where it took 3 days to get in? |
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| 23:21.10 | Esamynn|work | karl_w_w: my understanding is that the removal of eyes of the beast was not a design decision |
| 23:21.14 | Esamynn|work | but a technical one |
| 23:24.56 | Semlar-Laptop | it technically worked before |
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| 23:26.48 | Esamynn|work | I recall hearing something about some other change ended up with it broken, or it was now causing another bug for some reason and it was either spend a *lot* of time fixing it or strip it out |
| 23:29.09 | Semlar-Laptop | the only thing it was good for was tricking people into flagging themselves |
| 23:30.04 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 23:32.25 | Semlar-Laptop | i could count on one hand the number of times i cast eyes of the beast |
| 23:32.46 | Esamynn|work | I guess that's why they decided to not fix it |
| 23:32.58 | Semlar-Laptop | it just didn't have very much.. practical value |
| 23:34.24 | Esamynn|work | I just cannot understand how could _possibly_ feel that way :P |
| 23:34.33 | Semlar-Laptop | you could use it to gank people in gadgetzan by casting it out of range of the guards and running your pet into town |
| 23:35.21 | Semlar-Laptop | and there was some glyph or maybe it was just built into the ability where the pet gained a substantial amount of damage while you were controlling it |
| 23:35.28 | Semlar-Laptop | this might have been before glyphs |
| 23:35.37 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 23:35.40 | Esamynn|work | I wouldn't know |
| 23:35.45 | Gnarfoz | beast mastery talent |
| 23:36.07 | Semlar-Laptop | i mean it's not like you could loot anything your pet killed |
| 23:36.17 | Semlar-Laptop | as far as i could tell it was for killing players |
| 23:37.18 | Semlar-Laptop | you hid somewhere they couldn't find you and mauled their face in with your pet |
| 23:37.41 | Semlar-Laptop | this was back when people had like no health and no resilience or anything |
| 23:37.52 | Amarande | hm, wonder if it might have been useful for soloing elites? |
| 23:38.04 | Amarande | as in, to get some extra damage in before the attrition that comes with fighting an elite starts to set in |
| 23:38.05 | Semlar-Laptop | well you couldn't heal your pet while you were controlling it |
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| 23:39.56 | Neffi | I used Eyes of the Beast a shitload in vanilla |
| 23:39.58 | Neffi | All the time |
| 23:40.04 | Semlar-Laptop | what could you possibly have used it for |
| 23:40.06 | Neffi | Recon in world PvP and long-lasting BGs |
| 23:40.18 | Neffi | Distractions/diversions |
| 23:40.46 | Neffi | Being able to hide out and scout inside a building or something with my pet; pull the dumb enemy to follow my pet |
| 23:40.52 | Neffi | all sorts of tricks |
| 23:43.20 | xyphoid | it just sounded to me like they removed support code for eyes of the beast at some point due to some other work, some programmer would have said 'uh well we have to merge it back in and we'll have to do a bunch of knockon testing for that', and they just did the cost-benefit back of the envelope |
| 23:47.45 | Semlar-Laptop | i hope they make a competitive petless spec for hunters |
| 23:48.00 | Semlar-Laptop | i can't believe how many people were complaining about them making it possible to play without a pet |
| 23:49.49 | Semlar-Laptop | their attitude was basically they didn't want to be forced into a petless spec if it turned out it was the best damage so they didn't want it at all |
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| 23:58.18 | karl_w_w | Esamynn|Away, the removal was deliberate, the mistake was when they were tidying up code after that and gc said remove it. apparently it's quite complicated, so adding it back now that they realise they shouldn't have removed it is not a trivial exercise. |
