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| 00:23.31 | Mr_Rabies | i wish you could ginvite alts of guildies while they were offline :( |
| 00:23.52 | Mr_Rabies | i understand why it's not a thing normally since the ginvite interface isn't really an interface |
| 00:24.18 | Mr_Rabies | but i think inviting alts of guildies would be harder to grief people with |
| 00:25.27 | Neffi | at least inviting your own alts would be nice |
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| 00:31.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 00:31.34 | Mr_Rabies | transferring a bank guild from one alt to another is risky business |
| 00:32.20 | xyphoid | can you use trial accounts for that now? |
| 00:32.28 | Neffi | no |
| 00:32.32 | xyphoid | can't remember if they can join guilds |
| 00:32.39 | Neffi | nope |
| 00:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | there really should be a trial+ option for accounts |
| 00:33.10 | Neffi | I think you might be able to make somebody g-master if they're offline now |
| 00:33.19 | Mr_Rabies | like, still level cap as trial, but social features are active |
| 00:33.45 | Mr_Rabies | though a purchase from the blizzard store or something, i dunno :| |
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| 00:36.42 | Amarande | you mean like "premium" in LOTRO or SWTOR? |
| 00:37.34 | Mr_Rabies | sorta, i guess |
| 00:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be nice to upgrade my trial account i use for things that need a second account for more stuff but not pay a second subscription for it :| |
| 00:38.18 | VIad | I asked a GM to help me swap gmaster with one of my alts in one of my guilds, he logged my main while I logged my alt and made my alt the gmaster. Both characters were on the same account. :) |
| 00:38.32 | Mr_Rabies | also would be really nice for addon developers, i'd think |
| 00:38.44 | VIad | My character had the GM tag while he was on my main. |
| 00:39.47 | VIad | we were talking about gmaster stuffs right |
| 00:40.11 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 00:40.35 | Mr_Rabies | but also just in general getting alts into a guild is a pain unless you've got friends with invite privledges |
| 00:40.54 | VIad | indeed |
| 00:41.08 | VIad | ginvite should leave a timed invite requests that pops up or something |
| 00:41.22 | VIad | shrug, anything that allows you to invite someone invite would be neat |
| 00:41.40 | Mr_Rabies | or just make it a mail system thing or something |
| 00:41.51 | Mr_Rabies | for alts of guildies and yourself, maybe |
| 00:42.23 | VIad | they are reworking a lot of the game |
| 00:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | for example: send them a letter of invitation to the guild, costs whatever gold |
| 00:42.32 | VIad | the next xpac will probably no longer have realms right? |
| 00:42.40 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they'll be totally gone |
| 00:42.42 | VIad | they merge realms at the moment, so I read |
| 00:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | for a while, at least |
| 00:42.45 | Arrowmaster | The username is case sensitive. Choose a username that is 6-74 characters long and must contain a lowercase or capital letter, a number, or one of these symbols _.@/- |
| 00:42.48 | Arrowmaster | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 00:42.51 | kd3 | they're not going to merge all the realms |
| 00:43.13 | VIad | I wouldn't be surprised if they did and made it like how GW works. |
| 00:43.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think there's way too much in the way to keep a total merger from happening |
| 00:43.44 | VIad | front end it could work really well |
| 00:43.52 | xyphoid | i just wish you a: picked a character and b: picked a realm to log into |
| 00:43.54 | VIad | the clients dont need to know what realm you jump from and to |
| 00:43.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think they're pretty happy with how the connected realms feature is working |
| 00:44.15 | VIad | the old way of thinking is realm = server |
| 00:44.34 | VIad | but that's old now, the modern system makes several servers involved into a group of realms |
| 00:44.45 | VIad | soon you just have the game and all the servers are pure backend |
| 00:44.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it's awkward still |
| 00:44.57 | VIad | realm might be a loose term just to group people up |
| 00:45.07 | Mr_Rabies | you may see people you like questing with but aren't guildies |
| 00:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | but then the dynamic balancing feature makes it so you don't see them in-world anymore since you're internally on a different realm |
| 00:45.39 | Arrowmaster | the healthcare.gov account creation is some of the stupidist shit i have ever seen |
| 00:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much Arrowmaster |
| 00:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's so broken it's kind of insane |
| 00:46.18 | Arrowmaster | no i just mean stupidness on the part of whoever designed these username/password rules |
| 00:47.20 | Arrowmaster | so @ and . are valid in a username and i can put example@example.c but example@example.com is blocked |
| 00:47.44 | Arrowmaster | it seems anything with more than one letter after a period is blocked |
| 00:49.19 | Arrowmaster | why is @ even a valid character |
| 00:50.42 | MiRai | Tuller: Thanks, a lot! Where exactly am I pasting that test code, though? |
| 00:59.23 | Tuller | you'd need to create an addon for it |
| 00:59.51 | Tuller | or just append it to a random .lua file that's already in an addon |
| 01:00.57 | VIad | OR http://bool.addon.no/ |
| 01:01.13 | Neffi | or Devpad |
| 01:01.14 | VIad | * http://addon.bool.no/ |
| 01:03.20 | MiRai | Alright, thanks. Let's see if I can make some magic happen. |
| 01:08.50 | Arrowmaster | oh thats cool, i try to login with my new account and the login button does absolutely fucking nothing on my PC but on my tablet it at least goes to an error screen |
| 01:09.16 | Arrowmaster | also what fuck tard makes a sites login screen not respond to pressing enter after entering the password |
| 01:09.45 | Neffi | The US federal government |
| 01:09.58 | Neffi | The most ass-backwards establishment in existence |
| 01:10.24 | VIad | all governments can be called shit to some extent |
| 01:10.36 | VIad | the US one is just easy to pick on, that's it |
| 01:10.40 | Arrowmaster | they didnt make it, the non IT company that won the bid made it |
| 01:13.00 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: I would do it for any site that has a lockout counter. |
| 01:16.40 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/Zb3erER |
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| 01:26.10 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/D6u9szm |
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| 01:37.54 | VIad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqJTKdznaM /signing out - good night! |
| 01:57.33 | Neffi | heh http://i.imgur.com/W8knZYU.jpg |
| 02:09.18 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: this is yet another problem with government contracts in the US these days |
| 02:09.42 | Amarande | you can't rely on anything going to anyone competent anymore because of all the people watching for corruption like hawks |
| 02:10.28 | Amarande | basically you have to be willing to offer it to that eight year old kid who's going in their cheery voice "HEY I CAN MAKE WITH MY LEGO FOR NICKEL?", if you try to pick out someone who you know will actually Do It Right, the media goes "OH NOES CORRUPTION NO BID CONTRACT CORRUPTION" |
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| 02:31.19 | Semlar | no player named 'unknown' is currently playing |
| 02:32.03 | Semlar | or so i've heard |
| 02:47.35 | Amarande | blah. what is with the amount of haters in games these days |
| 02:47.47 | Amarande | Helm's Deep is out. I'm reading scads and scads of posts from haters saying the game is too easy now |
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| 02:50.49 | Amarande | (myself, I'm still trying to wrap around the new talen... er, trait tree structure, and yeah what I've tried so far has been pretty easy, but atm I'm still chalking that up to the fact that I'm doing teal quests, which are basically like green in WoW) |
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| 02:58.22 | Neffi | They should set a target price goal, let bidders make their offer, and then choose one of them within the set range by community peer review |
| 03:02.24 | kd3 | Final report on Sandy Hook shooting issued. Unsurprisingly, the shooter was obsessed with mass shootings and video games; one video game in particular that he would spend 10 hours or more a day on. Guess which one [Followup] |
| 03:02.27 | jleclanche | Libsass – C implementation of a Sass compiler (github.com) |
| 03:02.28 | jleclanche | OH THANK GOD |
| 03:02.29 | kd3 | ...I guessed wrong, horribly |
| 03:03.00 | kd3 | http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/25/justice/sandy-hook-shooting-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 |
| 03:03.11 | nebula169 | hello kitty adventures? |
| 03:03.52 | Neffi | DDR is violent man |
| 03:04.14 | Neffi | This image should see more exposure, because pundits love to hate on video games http://i.imgur.com/k7hsD.jpg |
| 03:04.29 | kd3 | I hurt myself more than once playing. |
| 03:05.48 | nebula169 | Neffi: you've never seen a ddr fight break out at the arcade! that shit is srs bsns |
| 03:06.00 | Neffi | i bet |
| 03:06.35 | Neffi | If there's a causal link between video game behavior and real-world behavior, we're all gay and our mothers enjoy many men |
| 03:09.16 | Dagmar | dafuq kinda games do you play, man? |
| 03:09.36 | kd3 | anything involving hearing voice chat from the other party? |
| 03:09.56 | Dagmar | You should try GTAV |
| 03:10.15 | Neffi | Does it have online? |
| 03:10.28 | Dagmar | Until Rockstar figures out that possibly $1,000 is too much to pay per death, you can really lay down some behavioural correction |
| 03:10.36 | Neffi | If it does, it's only a matter of time until I'm accused of liking cock and being borne of a whore |
| 03:10.38 | Dagmar | I murder children every weekend |
| 03:11.15 | Dagmar | No that's the genius part of it |
| 03:11.24 | Dagmar | They say stupid things, you kill them. Over and over. |
| 03:11.33 | Neffi | That sounds fun |
| 03:11.41 | Dagmar | They don't own homes so they'll either respawn within two blocks of you, or they have to logoff. |
| 03:11.52 | Neffi | I like GTA in theory. It's a well made game. I like playing it ocassionally. But it's not a game I can get into seriously. |
| 03:11.55 | Neffi | For no lack of trying |
| 03:12.16 | Dagmar | Well, now it's more like a fucking odd job simulator |
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| 03:12.32 | kd3 | ...now? |
| 03:12.38 | Neffi | I like my fantasy/adventure games. Other genres don't do it for me. |
| 03:12.38 | kd3 | "hey, wanna go bowling?" |
| 03:12.41 | Dagmar | "Go steal this car." "Where is it?" "Oh, it's on THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN ENTIRELY." |
| 03:13.20 | Dagmar | So you get in your car and you drive for fifteen to twenty goddamn minutes through entirely random traffic, pick up the car, and drive back. |
| 03:14.43 | Dagmar | This last weekend I almost got a kid a beating |
| 03:19.34 | kd3 | welp, the rain's about to get here. hopefully it'll stay liquid |
| 03:20.16 | Amarande | hm |
| 03:20.24 | Amarande | I need to visit Office Depot's headquarters and borrow their TARDIS :) |
| 03:20.43 | Amarande | my toner cartridge was just shipped out. it's supposed to arrive on November 1, 2013 |
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| 03:35.34 | SuicidalKatt | greetings all |
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| 04:00.13 | airtonix | Dagmar: lets hope the first quest in everquest next will be: |
| 04:00.19 | airtonix | collect 16 wolf pelts |
| 04:00.48 | Thunder_Child | Not 'Kill 10 rats'? |
| 04:00.59 | airtonix | have you seen the presentation Thunder_Child? |
| 04:01.04 | Thunder_Child | Nope |
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| 04:01.28 | airtonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4nswWwgLEw |
| 04:02.18 | Thunder_Child | I have to admit that in current MMO's I play with all sound off. However when I played EQ I did not, and the sounds have massive nostalgia |
| 04:02.42 | airtonix | i really like the idea of the voxels |
| 04:03.06 | airtonix | and that the world changes across time permantly like minecraft and guildwars2 |
| 04:04.50 | Iriel | I'll believe they've pulled that off "properly |
| 04:04.52 | Iriel | when I see it |
| 04:05.03 | airtonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4nswWwgLEw#t=1588 |
| 04:05.05 | Iriel | Because "look, persistent world changes" is easy to SAY |
| 04:05.10 | airtonix | good stuff starts there |
| 04:05.51 | Thunder_Child | Things can be destroyed? Roving bands of assholes will do it. |
| 04:07.46 | Iriel | Or it's stull for which the impact is so trivial nobody really cares |
| 04:08.00 | kd3 | I almost want to filter out the framexml bits involving the store ui since we can't touch it anyway |
| 04:08.39 | kd3 | emails away |
| 04:10.38 | airtonix | and part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDq2a3zy_6M |
| 04:11.53 | kd3 | I kinda doubt "Only an authentic information request from Blizzard will create the blue screen effect with white outlines!" |
| 04:12.21 | kd3 | it's not like windows where nothing's allowed to intercept ctrl+alt+del... |
| 04:15.27 | Amarande | Store UI? I play LOTRO and SW:TOR, I'm used to the store being a core part of the UI |
| 04:15.40 | Amarande | I'm still a little puzzled on why LOTRO introduced Mithril Coins though |
| 04:15.51 | kd3 | we went over this a few builds ago. it's not yet that way in wow |
| 04:15.52 | Amarande | like ... why not just have the stuff cost Turbine Points? :S |
| 04:15.58 | pompy | Karazhan Restoration - Renamed to Medivh's Big Birthday Bash. |
| 04:16.21 | kd3 | it's like they're deliberately trolling the dataminers |
| 04:17.03 | pompy | lol |
| 04:17.31 | Torhal | I haven't thought of LOTRO in years. It's been a constant topic the past two weeks or so. |
| 04:17.33 | Torhal | :/ |
| 04:17.48 | Amarande | Torhal: you sound like you didn't like LOTRO and want to forget about it. :) |
| 04:18.08 | Torhal | I'm just confused as to why you keep talking about it. |
| 04:18.15 | Torhal | Nobody else is! |
| 04:18.18 | Torhal | :D |
| 04:18.35 | Amarande | Well, the present topic seems to have strayed to MMOs in general. |
| 04:20.05 | nebula169 | or you, know, you force random shit you've played into any topic ever |
| 04:20.43 | nebula169 | s/ you,/, you/ |
| 04:22.35 | Amarande | kd3: maybe they'll legendary stat up the ashbringer and leave it in the data for miners to find :) |
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| 05:50.09 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 05:50.09 | purl | framexml is, like, Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 06:12.17 | Neffi | Any Wowpedia admins around? |
| 06:13.05 | Neffi | I've got two problems |
| 06:13.25 | Neffi | The following pages need a small fix and it's saying my edit is marked as harmful |
| 06:13.35 | Neffi | http://wowpedia.org/API_setprinthandler http://wowpedia.org/API_print http://wowpedia.org/API_getprinthandler |
| 06:13.51 | Neffi | The functions are defined in RestrictedInfrastructure.lua, not RestrictedEnvironment.lua |
| 06:14.01 | Neffi | Also, clicking on that link doesn't redirect to the proper file |
| 06:14.42 | Shirik | what should it redirect to |
| 06:14.42 | Neffi | It's redirecting to http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FILE.lua when it should point to http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/FILE.lua |
| 06:14.53 | Neffi | Note the addition of FrameXML/ at the end |
| 06:16.19 | Shirik | well that part's easy |
| 06:16.32 | Shirik | you don't need an admin for that |
| 06:16.33 | Neffi | Both parts are easy. But it won't let me make the change. |
| 06:16.40 | Neffi | Probably because I've never made a change there before |
| 06:16.49 | Neffi | It's saying my change is considered harmful, and to contact an admin |
| 06:17.23 | Neffi | I'm user Nefftd |
| 06:17.29 | Shirik | {{done}} |
| 06:17.40 | Neffi | awesome, thanks |
| 06:17.43 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:17.45 | Shirik | the other part |
| 06:17.50 | Shirik | RestrictedInfrastructure.lua? |
| 06:17.57 | Neffi | yeah |
| 06:18.07 | Neffi | all three functions are there as of the latest live |
| 06:18.34 | Shirik | kd3|hate`net: I'm blaming you for this shitty template |
| 06:19.12 | Shirik | all {{done}} |
| 06:19.34 | Neffi | nice |
| 06:19.46 | Shirik | next question |
| 06:19.48 | Shirik | wtf did you do |
| 06:19.57 | Neffi | me? |
| 06:20.19 | Shirik | you didn't trip the abuse filter |
| 06:20.22 | Shirik | so how did it block you |
| 06:20.34 | Neffi | I literally just changed the line {{framexmlfunc|RestrictedEnvironment.lua}} to point to the different file name |
| 06:20.41 | Shirik | oh I take it back |
| 06:20.47 | Shirik | the GD abuse filter log is not public |
| 06:20.50 | Shirik | wtf wowpedia |
| 06:22.08 | Shirik | well you probably tripped an edit filter Neffi |
| 06:22.15 | Shirik | but in their infinite wisdom they don't let you see that |
| 06:22.25 | Shirik | so nobody except an admin can help you figure that part out |
| 06:35.07 | Semlar | trips neffi |
| 06:39.54 | Fisker | so cold Shirik |
| 06:40.21 | Neffi | grabs Semlar and pulls him down as well. |
| 06:40.26 | Neffi | If I go down, you come with me |
| 06:40.50 | Semlar | i see where this is going |
| 06:40.50 | Fisker | hot |
| 06:40.58 | Neffi | >_> |
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| 06:54.06 | iShirik | "New Warning: Morning-After Pill Doesn't Work for Women Over 176 Pounds" |
| 06:54.12 | iShirik | well that's a new one |
| 06:55.01 | Dagmar | I want to troll that, but I know better. |
| 06:56.14 | iShirik | "An FDA spokeswoman tells Mother Jones the agency is evaluating whether to require US emergency contraceptive pill makers to change their labels." |
| 06:56.24 | iShirik | why is this (1) not just something the company does, and (2) something the FDA has to "evaluate" |
| 06:57.02 | Neffi | "Doesn't work" seems a bit off |
| 06:57.36 | Dagmar | Because if they address it, they'll be touching on the thorny situation of why the dosage targets a specific weight |
| 06:57.58 | Dagmar | ...and the risk of what happens when that rate is off. |
| 06:59.15 | Iriel | It's not like it's going to be a binary thing at an exact threshold |
| 06:59.31 | Dagmar | If a 176 lb person drinks eight shots, and a 96 lb person drinks eight shots, which one is left standing ten minutes later... |
| 06:59.47 | Neffi | the bartender |
| 07:00.09 | Dagmar | Iriel: Yes, but would you like to put on your product "If you're petite, the risk of overdose is high" |
| 07:00.16 | Dagmar | s/high/higher/ |
| 07:00.37 | Neffi | I feel like that should be common sense |
| 07:00.40 | Iriel | I suspect the risk of overdose is low otherwise it wouldn't be OTC |
| 07:00.46 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 07:01.14 | Dagmar | ...but now they're being asked to address what happens to people outside the standard deviation |
| 07:01.19 | Neffi | But common sense doesnt mean much in the US's legal system |
| 07:01.37 | Iriel | Specifically it's what happens to its effectiness for people ABOVE a certain point, isn't it? |
| 07:01.37 | Neffi | If it's not spelled out precisely in simple English, then it's a problem |
| 07:01.38 | Dagmar | ...nor does it mean much when people are reading a list of potential side-effects |
| 07:01.51 | Iriel | None of the (admittedly crap) articles I saw today expressed any concern about folks below average |
| 07:02.39 | Iriel | Anyway, I must sleep |
| 07:02.44 | Neffi | gnite |
| 07:02.59 | Dagmar | Yes, but on the side of your box there isn't text that can be paraphrased as "Hey girls, let's talk about your weight problem a moment" |
| 07:04.13 | Neffi | It shouldnt be a touchy matter to categorize the dosage chart by body mass |
| 07:04.36 | Neffi | If it is, it's their responsibility as a company to bite the bullet and do it anyway |
| 07:04.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, but it's no longer a one-size-fits-all thing. |
| 07:05.06 | Dagmar | This will produce anxiety in some individuals |
| 07:05.31 | Dagmar | How many unit sales will that cost them? |
| 07:05.45 | Dagmar | Marketing people care very deeply about that sort of thing |
| 07:05.49 | Neffi | I think if the whole world was less concerned with instilling anxiety in the over-sensitive, there would be less over-sensitive people |
| 07:06.19 | Dagmar | Hey I think we could take the warning labels off a lot of things, personally. |
| 07:06.35 | Neffi | And that's probably why it's beneficial to have the FDA weigh in with a mandate. Because no company has to be afraid of being the only one to instill that anxiety. |
| 07:06.48 | Dagmar | If you're unaware that interrupting a metabollic process that has preserved the existance of the species for millions of years... |
| 07:07.02 | Dagmar | ...just *might* have some risk involved, perhaps Darwin had people like you in mind. |
| 07:07.09 | Neffi | Also, IME with a female friend, the day-after pill is not something that's taken without anxiety. Their weight probably isn't what's on their mind when they run to CVS at 5 AM to buy it. |
| 07:08.37 | Dagmar | LIke, anestheticians tend to get very picky and very specific about certain genetic factors in their patients |
| 07:09.08 | Dagmar | ...because *some* people who have a specific gene, apparently sort of have a thermal meltdown when they've been put under with a certain, _very commonly used_ anaesthetic |
| 07:09.40 | Neffi | It seems reasonable to err on the side of caution |
| 07:09.45 | Dagmar | Because it doesn't really matter how small that risk is, people go bugfuck over it because it's not readily quantifiable |
| 07:10.16 | Dagmar | I have that gene, but not the side effect. I'm a mutant anyway. |
| 07:10.16 | zenzio | this is why you get A2-size papers with warnings inside every medicine packaging |
| 07:10.23 | Neffi | It may be a small risk, but part of their job description is worrying about the fact that it's a risk at all |
| 07:10.43 | zenzio | if you want to be really picky, we're all mutants |
| 07:10.57 | Dagmar | Yeah well, you don't run at 96.2f buddy |
| 07:11.08 | Neffi | heh |
| 07:11.45 | Neffi | There's something "wrong" with all of us. Most of it's just not quantifiable. |
| 07:11.52 | Dagmar | So I've had knee surgery twice now, opted to be out both times (the second time because they told me I might be disoriented. I get "punchy" now when that happens, so "out" is "safer")... |
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| 07:12.03 | Neffi | But in any case, if the risk is present, even if small, and it's a major risk, it should absolutely be included IMO |
| 07:12.15 | Dagmar | BOth times I've had an anesthetician come to me with a very serious matter they want to discuss. |
| 07:12.28 | Neffi | If somebody takes some sort of drug or similar with no indication that it may kill them, and it does, that's sad |
| 07:13.08 | Dagmar | Neffi: Yeah but on the flipside of that is tha people tend to view the fact that it's being mentioned as an indicator that it *might* not be as trivial as all that |
| 07:13.48 | Dagmar | One greedy shit of a lawyer finding a 2% deviation somewhere later... class action lawsuit time. |
| 07:13.50 | Neffi | The upside to that side is that it forces them to trust doctors more and their own Wikipedia skills less |
| 07:14.19 | Dagmar | Next is the news item "Morning after pill manufacturer involved in class-action lawsuit". |
| 07:14.33 | Neffi | Dagmar: Is there a name to that mutation? I'm curious about it now |
| 07:14.40 | Dagmar | Sales will drop so fast the spreadsheets will make an eerie whistling sound |
| 07:14.48 | Dagmar | Neffi: Damned if I can remember |
| 07:15.05 | Dagmar | I had an aunt nearly snuff it, and an uncle who _probably_ did |
| 07:15.16 | Dagmar | So, I got some tests run in advance |
| 07:16.02 | Dagmar | Cuz you know, should you wind up in a car accident or something, perhaps a little metal bracelet saying "No zombinol for this guy" might be a good idea. |
| 07:16.47 | Dagmar | I dont' mean to be cavalier about it, but in this case, it's something I'm not going to die from. And well... there's lots of things that fall into that category. |
| 07:16.54 | Dagmar | They're not the ones I'm really concerned about |
| 07:18.25 | Dagmar | Neffi: Here we go http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/malignant-hyperthermia |
| 07:19.15 | Neffi | intersting |
| 07:19.34 | Neffi | That also gives me an idea Dagmar |
| 07:20.07 | airtonix | i'm really starting to think nodejs is the most retarded hipsterish thing ever |
| 07:20.11 | Neffi | That'd be a cool use of NFC -- to offer a chip embedded into a necklace, jewelry, or something else that contains medical info |
| 07:20.37 | airtonix | i want to like nodejs, but it keeps trying to invent problems to solve |
| 07:22.06 | ccox | airtonix: it took you that long to realize this? |
| 07:22.37 | airtonix | ccox: omg why would we follow best practices? we don't need your tyranny!!!! |
| 07:23.49 | airtonix | i mean frameworks like Django and Rails have already spent a large amount of time exploring and fleshing out good ideas.... why do nodejs frameworks have to try and act like no one has ever done what they are doing. |
| 07:24.08 | Neffi | bcuz javascript man |
| 07:24.18 | Neffi | bcuz 4 the first time u write client n server in same lang |
| 07:24.24 | Neffi | innovation! |
| 07:24.29 | airtonix | sigh |
| 07:24.31 | ccox | Look, I just whipped up another node.js library while waiting for the barista. Oh, wait, no, that was just a sneeze - but we can push it to the server tonight! |
| 07:25.29 | airtonix | and when i make a ticket or a forum post about why X framework doesn't have the most basic of helpful tools... i'm met with "troll!!!", "Facista!!!" |
| 07:25.36 | airtonix | right |
| 07:25.41 | ccox | yep |
| 07:26.04 | airtonix | i want to work for the companies those guys work for, so i can waste their time too |
| 07:26.13 | ccox | all they need is vi and more caffeine… who needs tools, or debugging? |
| 07:26.23 | airtonix | or maybe they are just burning up investors captial |
| 07:27.12 | ccox | airtonix: remember, they don't have basic tools, so just ask them to write something that requires basic tools and watch their brains melt |
| 07:27.33 | airtonix | ccox: the thing is, i love npm, grunt, yoeman |
| 07:27.59 | airtonix | but it just seems like the nodejs community has only ever built a beta signup page |
| 07:28.07 | ccox | yeah, pretty much |
| 07:28.11 | airtonix | or a simple one model api for an app |
| 07:28.30 | ccox | but aren't all apps just a signin page and HTML ? |
| 07:29.04 | airtonix | lol |
| 07:29.45 | airtonix | i probably don't posess the skills and patience to explain why the top three nodejs mvc frameworks need the tools and features they lack |
| 07:30.06 | airtonix | because all they seem to be able to answer with is "nodejs is all about adding what you need" |
| 07:30.16 | airtonix | "that's why we don't add it" |
| 07:30.20 | ccox | And by HTML I mean whatever chrome latest supports, because nobody serious (under 25) would use anything else, right? |
| 07:31.12 | airtonix | yeah |
| 07:31.27 | airtonix | i'm still a bit edgey about using angularjs |
| 07:32.05 | airtonix | but the thing that attracted me to nodejs was that i could run a phantomjs middleware and serve the angularjs to searchbots in the same app instance |
| 07:32.42 | airtonix | perhaps I should look for or create a Django app that does the same |
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| 07:34.01 | airtonix | the other thing that bugs me about nodejs is that I still actually need a tool like nave or nvm... |
| 07:56.59 | airtonix | sigh: load average: 5.57 |
| 07:57.39 | airtonix | good job minecraft... good job |
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| 10:12.21 | karl_w_w | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1081571316/rhino-shield-the-impact-resistant-screen-protector?ref=live seems too good to be true? |
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| 10:16.16 | airtonix | yeah because it's for iphones |
| 10:16.39 | airtonix | even though a comes before i, they seem to think otherwise |
| 10:24.25 | bleeter | lol http://kotaku.com/twitch-couples-strip-show-could-mean-bad-news-for-play-1470396644 |
| 10:29.50 | airtonix | i think this also happened back when printing first became available to the general public |
| 10:30.04 | airtonix | some guy in france started writing erotica for the masses |
| 10:30.13 | airtonix | we'll get over it |
| 10:30.57 | airtonix | vis: today fifty grey shade raids |
| 10:31.15 | airtonix | i mean fifty shades of grey |
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| 11:03.31 | karl_w_w | I don't see why this is surprising |
| 11:03.51 | karl_w_w | omg the kiddies could see porn on the playstation! |
| 11:04.05 | karl_w_w | omg the kiddies can already see porn on the PC and the tablet! |
| 11:04.43 | karl_w_w | and it's not like they couldn't see porn using the built-in web browser before |
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| 14:00.07 | Xandr | Does anyone have exception rules for adblock for wowinterface.com? I can't get adblock to ignore wowinterface.com without disabling it completely :( |
| 14:01.21 | Maldivia | you can't just click the icon and selcet "don't run on this site"? |
| 14:02.05 | rid_ | ^ |
| 14:02.17 | rid_ | or just rightlick somewhere on the website |
| 14:04.07 | Xandr | The button… I removed that from the toolbar I think. Good idea though :) |
| 14:04.34 | zenzio | my least favourite sentence at work is "You know what would be cool?" |
| 14:04.50 | rid_ | hey zenzio |
| 14:04.53 | rid_ | You know what would be cool? |
| 14:05.00 | zenzio | no, do tell |
| 14:05.11 | rid_ | Fisker hugging me right now! |
| 14:05.17 | zenzio | that would be pretty cool |
| 14:05.20 | zenzio | and unique |
| 14:05.23 | rid_ | yes it would |
| 14:05.45 | Xandr | And that works… interesting. I would have though "@@||*wowinterface.com/*" would do the same as "@@||www.wowinterface.com/$document" but apparently only the later works. |
| 14:08.11 | Fisker | hugs rid_ |
| 14:09.06 | rid_ | hugs Fisker |
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| 14:57.18 | Arrow|phone | I made a comment on reddit and its already at -15 in just under an hour |
| 14:57.37 | haste | stop being an asshole Arrow|phone |
| 14:57.44 | Arrow|phone | http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1rhdi6/what_is_the_maximum_amount_of_data_that_can_be_stored_on_different_types_of_dvds_what_differences_makes_these_amounts_the_maximum/cdndcqs |
| 14:57.54 | Arrow|phone | Oh wow that's long |
| 15:00.12 | Arrow|phone | Oh it is ask science, maybe should have posted that there |
| 15:00.20 | Arrow|phone | Shouldn't |
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| 15:03.23 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/Y2IWkXhOQ9xc |
| 15:03.26 | jleclanche | this is so satisfying |
| 15:04.31 | zenzio | maybe I'm being slow again, but what about it? The number of IPv6 addresses ; the scores..? |
| 15:04.37 | mitch0 | jleclanche: ? |
| 15:05.00 | jleclanche | zenzio: Seeing google support ipv6 on all its domains |
| 15:05.12 | zenzio | aha. That is good |
| 15:05.32 | zenzio | my ISP offers opt-in IPv6 testing supposedly, I should see if I can do that |
| 15:06.50 | jleclanche | you should |
| 15:14.25 | jleclanche | https://robertsspaceindustries.com/store/354-banu-merchantman-lti |
| 15:14.27 | jleclanche | https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/d8ktckex1ucmrr/source/Banu3.jpg |
| 15:14.30 | jleclanche | Hello eve |
| 15:19.27 | Arrow|phone | Wish time warner even has ipv6 in testing |
| 15:19.45 | Arrow|phone | I'd need to upgrade my router though |
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| 16:18.38 | Ackis | somehow I managed to lose permissions for "My Documents" so I can't read any of the files (I can see them, create new folders, create new files (0 bytes in size))... le sigh |
| 16:19.21 | haste | so fix it?? |
| 16:19.44 | Ackis | can't, corporate network, have to go through channels |
| 16:21.04 | haste | lovely |
| 16:21.11 | haste | hopefully your company hasn't outsourced IT as well |
| 16:21.34 | Unkle | Ackis: Permissions tend to get mangled on redirected/network stored folders pretty often in Windows. It's /usually/ an easy fix for a domain admin, but sometimes, it's pretty nasty to repair. :/ |
| 16:23.44 | TC-Work | We don't have that issue here, and we have combined redirected folders and roaming profiles. |
| 16:23.56 | Ackis | haste: our IT is outsourced to multiple companies |
| 16:24.15 | nevcairiel | then open a ticket and go home |
| 16:24.30 | Ackis | can't go home, have a couple meetings |
| 16:24.36 | Unkle | TC-Work: I had to deal with it often at the university, not so much here though. |
| 16:25.36 | TC-Work | Yea, we are mostly linux so that helps. |
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| 16:36.15 | TC-Work | Shirik: Really should be J Pop Star Ahri |
| 16:37.15 | Shirik | It should be her original name |
| 16:37.18 | Shirik | Girls' Generation Ahri |
| 16:37.31 | TC-Work | They are hardly the only jpop band |
| 16:37.38 | Shirik | yeah but that's who she's based off |
| 16:37.43 | Shirik | even the dance is from one of their videos |
| 16:38.34 | karl_w_w | Why do programmers always mix up Halloween and Christmas? Because Oct 31 equals Dec 25. |
| 16:38.49 | nevcairiel | ohoho |
| 16:38.57 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: do the world a favor and go die in a fire. |
| 16:39.29 | karl_w_w | did somebody kill your cat? |
| 16:39.30 | nevcairiel | jokes that only work in writing are uusally bad |
| 16:39.37 | TC-Work | I don't have a cat |
| 16:40.09 | Shirik | TC-Work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWz84APw6zw |
| 16:41.42 | TC-Work | Shirik: Well, I can see why they did not call her that |
| 16:44.46 | haste | TC-Work: but its kpop! |
| 16:45.26 | Shirik | it is kpop :) |
| 16:45.28 | TC-Work | Fine just call it apop and be done with it |
| 16:45.35 | haste | :P |
| 16:45.40 | Shirik | also, her other dance TC-Work |
| 16:45.54 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krNyEn1CKGY |
| 16:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | lap dance, what? |
| 16:53.24 | Unkle | Well, poop - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/jury-newegg-infringes-spangenberg-patent-must-pay-2-3-million/ |
| 16:54.02 | Ressy | Its Texas... Its not a surprise. |
| 16:54.10 | Ressy | It'll get tossed on appeal |
| 16:56.37 | Unkle | I doubt it will get tossed on appeal. Or, at the very least, not easily. |
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| 16:57.28 | Unkle | I was just hoping for a blow to the whole non-practicing patent holder litigation scam. |
| 16:58.03 | Ressy | Its coming. |
| 16:58.14 | Ressy | Unkle: Newegg's gotten 2 judgements against them tossed on appeal. |
| 17:01.04 | TC-Work | Shirik: I find that interesting since Genie came out before run devil run. |
| 17:01.24 | Ressy | "All Newegg cases are budgeted for appeal from the start, Cheng said. Appellate lawyer Ed Reines, who represented Newegg in its other two patent appeal wins, had been present in the courtroom for much of the TQP trial." |
| 17:02.06 | Unkle | Ressy: I can hope. We'll see I guess. |
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| 17:05.25 | Fisker | dances a lap for Lopeppeppy |
| 17:05.47 | Fisker | oh shit Unkle :( |
| 17:05.53 | Fisker | never settle :( |
| 17:06.07 | Ressy | Apparently lawyers for google were watching the entire trial. |
| 17:06.22 | Ressy | google refused to pay them off with 50k as well. |
| 17:07.00 | Lopeppeppy | Woo hoo, Fisker, way to keep a snowy day warm. |
| 17:07.03 | Ressy | They were taking notes.. And their court date is in 2014. So, Google may get it invalidated before the appeal's heard |
| 17:07.20 | Fisker | no snow here |
| 17:07.21 | Fisker | just cold |
| 17:08.32 | Fisker | and the bus was 20 minutes late :( |
| 17:09.13 | foxlit | them busses be sneaky like that. |
| 17:09.34 | Unkle | Ressy: Again, one hopes. I don't object to inventors getting paid (or patents and copyrights in general). But holding the entire world for ransom on a shaky patent seems... bad to me. |
| 17:09.40 | foxlit | ... and now I have to look up where that "them x be" came from. |
| 17:10.12 | TC-Work | Stop taking the bus Fisker? |
| 17:10.19 | Fisker | why? |
| 17:10.27 | TC-Work | So you don't have to stand in the cold |
| 17:10.39 | Ressy | This patent never should've been issued. |
| 17:10.55 | TC-Work | They have these personal transportation devices called 'cars' |
| 17:11.01 | TC-Work | It's a very nifty invention |
| 17:11.08 | nevcairiel | half of the patents are probably invalid, the US patent office is just pretty bad at their job is all |
| 17:11.23 | Ressy | Yup. |
| 17:11.26 | haste | patents patenting. |
| 17:11.29 | Unkle | Doesn't he live in a nation were public transit is a) usually pretty good, b) taxes petrol so much it hurts, c) doesn't like cars all that much, d) would rather make him ride a bicycle? |
| 17:11.31 | haste | suddenly prior art |
| 17:11.52 | Ressy | The only good thing they've done lately, is opening up the patent process, so members of the public can submit 'prior art' and get the patent knocked out before its approved. |
| 17:13.21 | TC-Work | Unkle: Tax doesnt matter, only the final price does. |
| 17:13.23 | Unkle | In *this* particular case, the things claimed in the patent seem to be covered by prior art. But I probably would have been removed from the jury pool based on familiarity with the tech in question. |
| 17:14.20 | foxlit | TC-Work: 8.2$ / gallon, whee. |
| 17:15.12 | TC-Work | foxlit: in what currency? |
| 17:15.21 | foxlit | usd. |
| 17:15.31 | TC-Work | Ouch |
| 17:16.22 | nevcairiel | only $7.2 here |
| 17:16.34 | Unkle | TC-Work: Aside from some small African nations where gasoline is subsidized, the US of A enjoys relatively cheap gas. Other nations complain about it at climate talks. |
| 17:17.13 | nevcairiel | the real problem is that in the US anything that can drive, is allowed to drive, no matter if its the worst car in the world :P |
| 17:17.16 | foxlit | though I suppose the real units should be $ / average commute day. |
| 17:18.18 | nevcairiel | americans would probably all go on a killingspree if they had to pay our gas prices |
| 17:18.19 | Unkle | I commute 30-ish miles round trip daily. |
| 17:18.39 | Unkle | nevcairiel: We'd ouster the government at the very least. |
| 17:19.07 | nevcairiel | we should try that, can only get better |
| 17:19.10 | nevcairiel | raises gas prices |
| 17:19.47 | foxlit | but that's okay, we tax cars too. |
| 17:20.25 | Unkle | nevcairiel: Gas prices drove a lot of the election cycle that elected our current president. |
| 17:20.51 | nevcairiel | the other candidate was worse, so not sure if thats good or bad now? :p |
| 17:21.14 | Unkle | I mean for his first term. :P |
| 17:21.20 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 17:22.41 | foxlit | hey Fisker, are we still banned from recruit-a-friend/scroll of resurrection down here? |
| 17:22.50 | Fisker | kinda yes |
| 17:23.01 | nevcairiel | why would you be banned |
| 17:23.03 | Fisker | Not sure if they fixed it but I did get my reward a few days ago |
| 17:23.06 | Fisker | because it's illegal nevcairiel |
| 17:24.25 | Fisker | So not sure if it works anymore |
| 17:24.40 | foxlit | honestly, that battle.net log in form is still not clearly using https. |
| 17:25.11 | nevcairiel | clearly? |
| 17:25.22 | foxlit | it's an https iframe on an otherwise insecure page. |
| 17:25.34 | nevcairiel | its a fugly iframe too, has a scrollbar in chrome |
| 17:25.41 | foxlit | I could be mitm'ing you, and your browser wouldn't even tell you. |
| 17:26.00 | nevcairiel | if you somehow manage to show something else in the iframe, yea |
| 17:26.16 | nevcairiel | all it does is provide encrypted transfer of your details |
| 17:26.20 | nevcairiel | no mitm protection |
| 17:26.34 | foxlit | with no indication that it's actually doing that, which keeps bugging me. |
| 17:27.10 | nevcairiel | cant even force https on their domain |
| 17:27.12 | nevcairiel | it switches back |
| 17:28.13 | foxlit | ah, so we have SoR but not RaF. |
| 17:28.20 | Fisker | we have neither |
| 17:28.36 | nevcairiel | anyhow foxlit, if you're really worried just click on account instead of log in, it gives you a full https login page |
| 17:28.58 | foxlit | https://eu.battle.net/account/management/wow/services/sor-instructions.html << but it's like right there? |
| 17:29.10 | Fisker | yeah |
| 17:29.11 | Fisker | It works |
| 17:29.14 | Fisker | for most people |
| 17:29.18 | Fisker | some people claim it doesn't work though |
| 17:29.24 | Fisker | officially it's not allowed |
| 17:29.27 | Fisker | just like RAF |
| 17:29.44 | foxlit | nevcairiel: yes. |
| 17:29.57 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H1gRQ6S7gg |
| 17:30.02 | Shirik | this is insane |
| 17:30.11 | Fisker | nope Shirik |
| 17:31.24 | Fisker | heh |
| 17:31.34 | Fisker | my secondary account was locked due to suspicious activity :( |
| 17:32.34 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that guy talks kinda weird |
| 17:32.54 | Fisker | I can still add the raf account |
| 17:32.56 | Fisker | so might just work foxlit |
| 17:32.59 | Fisker | just like SoR |
| 17:33.05 | Fisker | But won't throw 40€ at it to test :P |
| 17:33.08 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I think he talks at lightning speed |
| 17:33.27 | foxlit | Fisker: it's 5 EUR for wow atm. |
| 17:33.44 | Fisker | hmm |
| 17:34.00 | Fisker | Don't tempt me |
| 17:34.00 | nevcairiel | Shirik: but it looks incredibly real |
| 17:34.10 | Fisker | even though I will basically not play the game |
| 17:34.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:35.29 | Fisker | will test it then foxlit |
| 17:36.15 | foxlit | but still like 15eur/month, so maybe your original number is fine. |
| 17:36.44 | Fisker | well you get one month free |
| 17:36.46 | Fisker | so it's only 20€ |
| 17:37.06 | foxlit | but does that count for raf? |
| 17:37.09 | nevcairiel | you need to buy 2 month of gametime for the mount reward on raf, the free month isnt counted |
| 17:37.33 | nevcairiel | at least thats how i understood it |
| 17:37.34 | foxlit | I wish there was a way to look up whether a particular store pet key is used or not. |
| 17:37.36 | Fisker | I know nevcairiel |
| 17:37.46 | Fisker | you get a free month of gametime as the recruiter though |
| 17:37.51 | nevcairiel | ah yeah |
| 17:40.05 | Fisker | now we wait |
| 17:40.37 | Fisker | want an update when it processes in a few billion years foxlit ? |
| 17:42.06 | foxlit | by telegraph? |
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| 17:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | Coconut telegraph or it didn't happen. |
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| 17:48.32 | Sintacks | I haven't had my favorite flavor of ramen in months 'cause I can't find it anymore :( |
| 17:48.46 | TC-Work | Is the flavour salt? |
| 17:48.48 | Unkle | Coconuts only get 110bps. |
| 17:48.56 | Sintacks | mmm. sodium. |
| 17:49.02 | Sintacks | srsly though, Chicken Mushroom |
| 17:49.09 | Lopeppeppy | Shrimp Ramen!!! |
| 17:49.26 | TC-Work | Sintacks: Amazon has it |
| 17:49.29 | Sintacks | shrimp is good. but chicken mushroom is the best |
| 17:49.49 | Sintacks | i couldn't findi t for like, 5 years. and then found it at a local chain. and now they don't have it anymore :( |
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| 17:50.36 | Lopeppeppy | The Boyfriend buys ramen just to put his homemade peanut sesame sauce on, he doesn't care what flavor, so he buys beef. I ask you. |
| 17:50.41 | karl_w_w | you crazy ramen people |
| 17:50.43 | Fisker | I was thinking irc Lopeppeppy |
| 17:50.49 | Fisker | eww shrimp Lopeppeppy |
| 17:50.53 | Sintacks | wait. Lopeppeppy is a girl? |
| 17:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | Coconut IRC or it didn't happen, Fisker. |
| 17:50.56 | Fisker | I was thinking irc foxlit * |
| 17:50.59 | Fisker | damnit |
| 17:51.02 | Fisker | my brain |
| 17:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Sintacks, I am a female. Confirmed in person by many Lounge Lizards. |
| 17:51.14 | Fisker | I have been up for like 18 hours now |
| 17:51.15 | karl_w_w | http://www.amazon.com/Indomie-Goreng-Fried-Noodles-Case/dp/B000VQBIPY or bust |
| 17:51.17 | Sintacks | ohai |
| 17:51.27 | Sintacks | wanna see my van |
| 17:51.33 | Fisker | subtle Sintacks |
| 17:51.33 | Sintacks | http://www.amazon.com/Maruchan-Chicken-Mushroom-3-Ounce-Packages/dp/B003OB4DR8/ref=sr_1_46?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1385488225&sr=1-46 |
| 17:51.37 | Sintacks | 24 for $20 |
| 17:51.41 | Sintacks | holy shit that's expensive |
| 17:51.42 | Lopeppeppy | But having a boyfriend doesn't make me female. Reference others here in the Lounge for that answer. |
| 17:52.12 | Sintacks | true, Lopeppeppy. but mhe |
| 17:52.13 | Sintacks | meh* |
| 17:52.17 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Score one for social consciousness. |
| 17:52.25 | Sintacks | 88 cents per pack is way too expensive for ramen |
| 17:53.19 | Unkle | In matters of gender, orientation, or sexuality, never assume. Better to let the other person tell you if and when it is appropriate. |
| 17:53.36 | Sintacks | Unkle, are you a boy or a girl? |
| 17:53.36 | karl_w_w | yes Sintacks, it's too expensive considering the low low quality :P |
| 17:53.46 | Fisker | I sneezed |
| 17:53.49 | Sintacks | fuck you. maruchan chicken mushroom is the best |
| 17:53.52 | Fisker | and again |
| 17:54.15 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle is neither, actually. Being self-aware and other-aware, I make him manly. |
| 17:54.21 | karl_w_w | or bust Sintacks |
| 17:54.23 | Fisker | what makes you female Lopeppeppy is the amount of weird p's in your nickname |
| 17:54.23 | karl_w_w | or bust |
| 17:54.54 | Unkle | Sintacks: I'm a heteronormative white, middle-aged male. I'm probably your social oppressor. |
| 17:56.53 | karl_w_w | look how anemic those noodles look |
| 17:57.08 | karl_w_w | that's the picture on the packet! |
| 17:57.45 | Sintacks | wat |
| 17:58.00 | Fisker | I need to write documentation foxlit |
| 17:58.17 | Sintacks | I wonder how much salt 4 packs of ramen has in it |
| 17:58.39 | haste | deadly doses |
| 17:59.03 | Sintacks | 1 pack is two servings. so that's 8 servings at 33% of your daily sodium intac. so that's 264% of your daily sodium intake. |
| 17:59.05 | Sintacks | wee |
| 17:59.07 | Sintacks | brb. deat. |
| 17:59.09 | Sintacks | death* |
| 17:59.14 | Unkle | Not to mention palm oil. |
| 17:59.32 | karl_w_w | why wonder when you can just check? oh right, you live in a country where it's legal to sell something without showing the nutrition info |
| 17:59.39 | Unkle | Which is tasty, but not really very healthy. |
| 18:00.40 | TC-Work | Sintacks: It was a lot more confusing before Unkle changed his name. |
| 18:00.58 | TC-Work | I still perfer Lunessa though |
| 18:01.10 | TC-Work | It flummoxed people and I was amused. |
| 18:01.42 | Unkle | Well, when I joined the channel there were two factors a) My nick was in use by someone else on Freenode, b) I decided to use the name of the toon I posted on UI/Macros with at the time. |
| 18:01.59 | Lopeppeppy | c) he liked to confuse people |
| 18:02.31 | Unkle | Well, yeah, but shhh |
| 18:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | Shhh, be vewwy vewwy qwiet. |
| 18:05.18 | Sintacks | wait. Unkle is Lunessa? |
| 18:05.20 | Sintacks | i know that name |
| 18:05.37 | Sintacks | i shouldn't have drank the saltwater |
| 18:05.41 | Unkle | Yes, Unkle is Lunessa - a toon which got renamed. |
| 18:05.46 | Sintacks | i started coughing for two minutes after |
| 18:06.10 | Fisker | omg Unkle |
| 18:06.12 | Sintacks | I've either seen that name in game, or on the forums. not sure which. |
| 18:06.14 | Fisker | omg omg |
| 18:06.31 | kd3|hate`net | blah. the added_links filter doesn't correctly handle links that were already on the page |
| 18:06.34 | Fisker | Why didn't you tell me Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:06.51 | Unkle | Sintacks: Forums, almost certainly. |
| 18:07.28 | Lopeppeppy | I keep seekrits well, Fisker. |
| 18:09.09 | Fisker | damn |
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| 18:14.56 | Sintacks | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | Coconut snuggles! |
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| 18:19.06 | Fisker | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:21.05 | kd3 | wow. they're removing spirit from armor pieces |
| 18:22.17 | kd3 | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8783538990#1 |
| 18:22.59 | Unkle | Ghostcrawler said something about that on Twitter a week or so ago. |
| 18:25.01 | Unkle | " As we discussed at BlizzCon, we’re accomplishing this by making it so primary stats for a given piece of gear will change based on your current spec, ..." That's a pretty amazing change right there. |
| 18:26.16 | Unkle | That completely obviates the need for multiple sets of gear for occasional off-spec use. |
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| 18:33.00 | Unkle | That article makes me think a lot of gearing in DIII |
| 18:33.42 | Semlar | you mean tons and tons of completely useless gear that you vendor so you can but something you can use off the auction house? |
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| 18:34.06 | Unkle | No, I mean focusing on specific secondary effects of your gear. |
| 18:34.15 | Semlar | ah |
| 18:34.33 | Semlar | s/but/buy |
| 18:35.14 | Neffi | trips Semlar. |
| 18:35.18 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 18:35.19 | Neffi | payback motherfucker |
| 18:36.17 | Amarande | heh |
| 18:36.20 | Shirik | http://www.tickld.com/t/429339 |
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| 18:38.43 | Amarande | blah curse you Office Depot |
| 18:39.26 | Fisker | I want tosleep Shirik |
| 18:39.30 | Amarande | hrm. you guys wouldn't happen to be able to tell off the top of your head which carrier a 12 digit tracking number that's digits-only is for, would you? :| |
| 18:39.59 | Amarande | It's certainly not UPS, those generally start with 1Z |
| 18:39.59 | Shirik | well then have a nap |
| 18:40.02 | Shirik | THEN FIRE ZE MISSILES |
| 18:40.16 | kd3 | plug it in to google. it'll tell you |
| 18:40.28 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy, Unkle: I only assume meat popsicle status. |
| 18:40.34 | Amarande | ah, fedex |
| 18:40.35 | Shirik | Amarande: Probably fedex |
| 18:40.35 | Amarande | and thank you google |
| 18:40.37 | foxlit | snow! snow in storm peaks! |
| 18:40.45 | kd3 | gasps |
| 18:40.49 | Fisker | nope Shirik |
| 18:40.50 | Fisker | I can't |
| 18:40.50 | Amarande | Apparently, Office Depot likes to give you tracking numbers without telling you what carrier they're for. :p |
| 18:41.09 | Shirik | that's what the googles are for |
| 18:41.10 | Semlar | google knows all |
| 18:41.36 | Unkle | Torhal: That's... that's a nice hat. |
| 18:41.53 | Torhal | Bwahahahaha |
| 18:43.13 | fewyn | yeah just type the id into google |
| 18:43.16 | fewyn | it'll figure it out |
| 18:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | "Dear Peppy. Please download these videos from SomeoneElse's YouTube account. Before 2pm meeting. ktxbai." |
| 18:44.21 | Neffi | that's some sound advice |
| 18:44.37 | Neffi | and when you want to buy something and dont know where, just put your credit card into google. it'll figure it out. |
| 18:45.05 | foxlit | UPDATE_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED, _, "player", "LOGINEFFECT", _, 0, 836 |
| 18:45.43 | foxlit | and I'm not even logging in :/ |
| 18:47.09 | Neffi | Wowhead says in 5.0.1 it took for a time 18% of base mana |
| 18:47.18 | Neffi | So if you were out of mana, could you not log in? |
| 18:47.45 | Fisker | copyright infringement Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:47.47 | foxlit | I suspect it's the sparkling animation. |
| 18:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's a video we paid to have produced. Why it can't be put on Dropbox or box.com for us to download I have no idea.... |
| 18:48.15 | Neffi | Wowhead comments suspect that too. It's also tagged as a "spawn" effect. |
| 18:48.30 | Neffi | It could be some initialization |
| 18:49.10 | Fisker | why can't it Lopeppeppy? :( |
| 18:49.36 | Semlar | why does wowhead not have a model viewer for spells |
| 18:50.57 | Lopeppeppy | Because the video company didn't know we needed a hard copy, not just a viewing copy, I would guess. |
| 18:51.49 | foxlit | there's a rather incredible amount of stuttering during a CRZ transition. |
| 18:51.59 | Fisker | well pirate it Lopeppeppy |
| 18:52.34 | Shirik | Featured: "Why astronomers are looking up" Shreveport Times |
| 18:52.42 | Shirik | Probably because it's a lot harder to see things while looking at the ground |
| 18:52.47 | Shirik | I mean I'm not an astronomer, but that's my take on it |
| 18:52.59 | Lopeppeppy | Totally did, Fisker. CNET has all sorts of freeware. |
| 18:53.10 | Fisker | oh nos not cnet |
| 18:56.34 | foxlit | AchievementMicroButton:UnregisterEvent("RECEIVED_ACHIEVEMENT_LIST") |
| 18:58.28 | Fisker | still no raf foxlit :( |
| 19:08.46 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/ApqJKC6 |
| 19:08.49 | Neffi | that's kinda cool |
| 19:09.09 | Neffi | I like when professors get creative with their teaching method |
| 19:11.04 | foxlit | munchkin time! |
| 19:11.44 | foxlit | so if you just dump 15*x pages of randomly generate nonsense, you can have as much xp as you want. |
| 19:12.03 | foxlit | literally killing the rainforest here. |
| 19:12.19 | haste | I though exactly the same thing foxlit |
| 19:13.06 | haste | http://www.somethingofthatilk.com/index.php?id=135 also came to mind :P |
| 19:16.11 | Sintacks | :| |
| 19:16.25 | Sintacks | i found somewhere else I can get chicken mushroom, but its still 76cents per after shipping |
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| 19:19.24 | surgat | Hey guys, looking for a list/reference on all calls and what they return, does something like this exist? if so, can you link, ty |
| 19:19.39 | kd3 | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:19.39 | purl | wowprogramming is, like, World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:19.41 | nevcairiel | wowprogramming.com |
| 19:19.44 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/API |
| 19:19.57 | nevcairiel | although slightly out of date, it has most of the details |
| 19:20.12 | surgat | ty, I've seen wowprogramming, but some of the references are out of date I'm sure. |
| 19:20.15 | VIad | I enjoy the java joke |
| 19:20.24 | VIad | oh forgot "re: haste" |
| 19:20.34 | surgat | I'll check out wowpedia thanks kd3 |
| 19:20.50 | nevcairiel | surgat: there is nothing up to date, since its a community effort to document it, and the community is lazy |
| 19:21.09 | haste | VIad: I enjoyed them all :D |
| 19:21.30 | surgat | really? well ok thanks for that. I thought Blizzard might have released official documentation or supports dev's!? |
| 19:21.30 | VIad | nevcairiel: sometimes the wowpedia has more info on some things than wowprogramming though, and vice versa. depends, but I think if the community is not being lazy today they usually edit the wowpedia as that's more known I guess? |
| 19:21.40 | kd3 | blizz doesn't do documentation |
| 19:21.46 | kd3 | if we break the ui, we get both pieces |
| 19:22.28 | VIad | kd3: you think they got documentation for internal use? like api descriptions and such |
| 19:22.29 | nevcairiel | usually you can figure out the stuff you need from either looking at the uses in framexml, or simply calling the function and checking return values |
| 19:22.37 | nevcairiel | admittedly, its not as good as a list, but it works |
| 19:22.41 | surgat | Well things are starting to make sense on why i havn't found any "official" stuff yet then |
| 19:22.47 | nevcairiel | VIad: doubtful anything complete |
| 19:23.28 | Unkle | I like the look TSquared gives when you ask if for official docs. |
| 19:24.17 | VIad | "Welcome to Blizz HQ UI developer! Here make yourself acquainted with wowpedia.org" |
| 19:24.27 | surgat | one more question if i may, how can i "figure" out how stuff works then, is there something like say 'fiddler' (web dev tool) for wow, where i can just capture, and look at stuff? |
| 19:24.38 | Unkle | They have stuff for internal use - it's not available for external use. |
| 19:25.04 | VIad | we need a good leak :p |
| 19:25.48 | Shirik | there's devtools |
| 19:26.04 | Shirik | which is now a built in thing |
| 19:26.10 | nevcairiel | i am still disappointed that they made such a bad job at importing the event tracer into the game |
| 19:26.15 | nevcairiel | half its usefulness vanished |
| 19:26.19 | Shirik | you can always run devtools :) |
| 19:26.24 | nevcairiel | i do |
| 19:26.24 | Shirik | the real devtools |
| 19:26.24 | surgat | i have some like bugsack and bugswater |
| 19:26.25 | nevcairiel | its still stupid |
| 19:26.34 | Shirik | no there's an addon called devtools, surgat |
| 19:26.38 | VIad | surgat: ah you are new to the addon coding scene? welcome! if you want to make something just look at the API and events list on wowpedia or wowprogramming, then cry a little when you realize what you want to do isn't that easy because of protected calls, then when the water dries around your eyes and you can see again, you'll start looking up secure template and reading up on some examples how they work, don't worry, the documentation is commun |
| 19:26.42 | Shirik | though most don't use it because most of the functionality is built-in now |
| 19:27.09 | surgat | ha, ty |
| 19:27.25 | VIad | not sure if you got my whole message as I can write longer than what I sent - silly pidgin |
| 19:27.41 | surgat | i got the joke yeah |
| 19:28.19 | nevcairiel | there is also other addons like Spew which is pretty good at dumping frame details, or simple ingame editors for testing code like WowLua |
| 19:28.43 | surgat | thank i'll keep on trucking with it |
| 19:29.06 | surgat | was just hoping for alot more good documentation seen as wow is so popular and old. |
| 19:29.23 | nevcairiel | the problem with old is that documentation is also old |
| 19:29.24 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:29.49 | nevcairiel | the entire wow api was once documented for wowprogramming, but it has changed since then, so its out of date a bit |
| 19:30.08 | Torhal | Desperate Microsoft is desperate: http://9to5google.com/2013/11/26/scroogled-chromebook-edition-microsofts-attack-ads-are-somehow-getting-worse/ |
| 19:30.23 | nevcairiel | wowpedia is up to date on some things, but lacks entire sections of other things |
| 19:32.15 | nevcairiel | Torhal: wondering why they dont get sued over that yet |
| 19:32.58 | surgat | i kind of got that, i was calling IsInInstance() to get bg info, but that doesn't seem to be the right one. |
| 19:33.01 | Torhal | Seems pretty damn libelous. |
| 19:33.38 | nevcairiel | microsoft even steals scroogled merchandise in their web store |
| 19:33.42 | nevcairiel | eh, sells |
| 19:33.43 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:33.45 | Torhal | nevcairiel: They even registered http://scroogled.com |
| 19:34.22 | nevcairiel | why do they even care about chromebook, its not like anyone has these things |
| 19:34.29 | Torhal | Surface. |
| 19:34.49 | Torhal | Their marketing folks have just gone insane apparently. |
| 19:34.51 | nevcairiel | they try to sell you actual laptops on scroogled.com |
| 19:34.57 | nevcairiel | not surfaces |
| 19:34.58 | Torhal | I mean, those ads for IE? Ouch. |
| 19:35.06 | nevcairiel | i enjoyed the anime ad |
| 19:35.25 | Unkle | The marketing guy they hired for this stuff - he used to to political attack ads. |
| 19:41.17 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:41.22 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 19:41.24 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 19:41.27 | Fisker | Scroogled is old |
| 19:41.29 | Fisker | so old |
| 19:41.44 | Fisker | the merchandise was awesome though |
| 19:41.45 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 19:41.46 | Fisker | Wanted some of that |
| 19:42.17 | Torhal | ages Fisker. |
| 19:42.22 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:42.37 | Fisker | hey |
| 19:42.45 | Fisker | the surface rt is not a real laptop and a brick |
| 19:42.52 | Fisker | because it doesn't have itunes |
| 19:42.53 | Fisker | dumb microsoft fucks |
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| 19:50.04 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:50.08 | Shirik | I bet you wish you had a macbook pro |
| 19:52.18 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:52.19 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:54.34 | Primer | Anyone here ever setup multiple APs in their home? I was at a conference once where there were multiple APs, and talked to the dude that set it up, and he said the trick was to simply use the same SSID but different channels, and that devices would bounce to the one with the stronger signal automagically...but that's not been my experience |
| 19:55.08 | Primer | Right now I have two APs and am getting a third, as the signal is really weak in the master bedroom |
| 19:55.26 | Primer | One's in the living room, and the second is in the garage. |
| 19:56.22 | Primer | I'm wondering if the channel bouncing isn't happening because, despite the signal being low, the AP is still in range. |
| 19:56.54 | TC-Work | We have multiple APs at work but they are of the pro variety and are damn flawless. |
| 19:57.01 | nevcairiel | there are special wifi boosters that make this really easy |
| 19:57.23 | nevcairiel | they have auto-config modes thatj ust work |
| 19:57.45 | zenzelezz | I used to wish I had a Macbook Pro; but then I realised they're not heavy enough to use as a doorstop |
| 19:57.52 | Shirik | Primer, is this 802.11n? |
| 19:57.53 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/nFUxx7I.jpg |
| 19:57.54 | Shirik | or ac? |
| 19:58.10 | Primer | Shirik: a/g so far |
| 19:58.12 | Shirik | If not, then channel hopping is not a standard thing to do; it's actually a lot closer to "wrong" |
| 19:58.16 | Primer | the new one arriving today is n |
| 19:58.19 | Kaylin | (11:57:42 AM) zenzelezz: I used to wish I had a Macbook Pro; but then I realised they're not heavy enough to use as a doorstop |
| 19:58.23 | Shirik | that will likely work better |
| 19:58.26 | Kaylin | That's why you get a stack of them. |
| 19:58.31 | kd3 | ...a? how old is your kit? |
| 19:58.39 | Dagmar | Find out which of your neighbors are using cordless phones, and then cut their power. |
| 19:58.45 | nevcairiel | if its only a/g, its pretty old :p |
| 19:59.00 | Kaylin | has a rotary dial corded phone. come at me bro. |
| 19:59.09 | Shirik | wtf is a cord? |
| 19:59.22 | kd3 | that thing that gives your phone go-juice |
| 19:59.36 | Primer | Well, the one in the garage is a linksys (read: NOT cisco) WRT45 |
| 19:59.39 | Dagmar | Also, if your device has an atheros wireless chipset, the solution will probably be to take it out and set it on fire |
| 20:00.16 | Dagmar | You were also misinformed by "the guy" |
| 20:00.24 | Fisker | does that upset you Shirik ? |
| 20:00.31 | Dagmar | If you want to seamlessly bounce between APs, they have to be configured to work as a team |
| 20:00.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:00.44 | Shirik | @Dagmar and Fisker |
| 20:00.50 | Dagmar | ...otherwise you're not going to be casually hopping between them. Each change will requre a new lease request. |
| 20:00.57 | Fisker | good |
| 20:01.15 | Dagmar | ...unless you plug them in backwards. |
| 20:01.19 | Dagmar | Don't ask. |
| 20:01.24 | Shirik | what |
| 20:01.26 | haste | wat |
| 20:01.27 | TC-Work | Shirik: it's the one that works when there is no power. |
| 20:01.29 | haste | are you on drugs? |
| 20:01.46 | Dagmar | Shirk: So, do you remember when we could find APs that were basically media converters? |
| 20:01.55 | Dagmar | YEARS ago. Like in 2000? |
| 20:02.03 | Shirik | when there is no power, I usually start planning for the end of the world, TC-Work |
| 20:02.06 | Kaylin | check this out: top non-sticky thread in d2gdf http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=12011&sid=3000 |
| 20:02.06 | Kaylin | top non-sticky thread in tech support: http://forums.battle.net/board.html?forumId=12014&sid=3000 |
| 20:02.06 | Kaylin | nobody checks support forum for their issues -.- |
| 20:02.15 | Primer | I'm not actually sure of the Verizon-provided wireless router. I suspect it's g though. |
| 20:02.18 | Shirik | Dagmar: So I was in like middle school around then :P |
| 20:02.25 | Dagmar | Ah okay, well then... |
| 20:02.26 | TC-Work | Shirik: Uh...that should be done _before_ the power is out. |
| 20:02.27 | Shirik | to elemetary school |
| 20:02.43 | Kaylin | @ views |
| 20:02.47 | Dagmar | Have you tried to use an AP recently but have some *other* device (like a service firewall) handlin all the DHCP leases? |
| 20:02.50 | Primer | I really wish Verizon would provide me a bridge, but they apparently don't understand that some people might want to run their own NAT. |
| 20:03.25 | Primer | DHCP is handled by my Pi, which has been relegated to being the authoritative DHCP and DNS for my home network. |
| 20:03.52 | Primer | But also serves its primary function, which is a client for my security camera setup. |
| 20:04.09 | Dagmar | _Some_ APs can be configured to act as a DHCP relay agent, but you're usually looking at having to flash OpenWRT or something on most of them for that |
| 20:04.15 | Shirik | you also have a really weird problem at the MAC layer |
| 20:04.27 | Shirik | because now you're talking about suddenly changing where you're sending a stream |
| 20:04.30 | Shirik | it's allowable by TCP |
| 20:04.33 | Primer | It just didn't work out as well as I had hoped it would. Meaning, there's like a 5 second delay between what happens on the cameras and what appears on the TV. |
| 20:04.42 | Shirik | but your computer needs to know wtf is going on |
| 20:04.54 | Primer | Layer 2 should just figure that out. |
| 20:04.57 | Dagmar | As dumb as this sounds, _most_ APs actually flip into bridging mode if you just plug the fucking things in backwards. |
| 20:04.58 | Shirik | it does |
| 20:05.06 | Shirik | if your card knows what's going on |
| 20:05.12 | Dagmar | i.e., leave the uplink port empty, and connect one of the typical four switch ports to your home LAN. |
| 20:05.24 | Amarande | Dagmar, don't most APs/routers have a "disable" option for the built-in DHCP server? |
| 20:05.41 | Primer | Dagmar: this is why I ordered an "access point". Not a router. |
| 20:05.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nope. ...and even if they don't they won't normally bridge the DHCP traffic anyway |
| 20:05.56 | Dagmar | er even if they do |
| 20:06.00 | Primer | But yes, I've run "routers" as bridges before, exactly as you've described. |
| 20:06.25 | Amarande | And I'm not sure I ever really want to touch OpenWRT again |
| 20:06.30 | Dagmar | Must to my great irritation after a friend of mine showed me, basically plugging the fuckers in backwards makes them act like a media converter |
| 20:06.34 | Primer | I have DHCP disabled on anything that can be a DHCP. Both my Verizon router and my WRT (which runs openwrt) have it disabled. |
| 20:06.57 | Primer | Dagmar: so many terms...it's really just a bridge. |
| 20:07.06 | Primer | AP == media converter == bridge. |
| 20:07.15 | nevcairiel | Primer: he feels special using his funky words, dont take that from him |
| 20:07.30 | Dagmar | In THAT configuration, you could walk back and forth and your device might need to be told it's allowed to talk to both APs (because of MAC address differences) but at least you won't have to hop DHCP scopes |
| 20:07.35 | Primer | A layer 2 bridge between the air and the copper. |
| 20:07.35 | Amarande | huh, I've never had a router where "enable DHCP server [x]" wasn't an option |
| 20:07.44 | Neffi | I feel like "media converter" is so misleading. |
| 20:07.49 | Amarande | what kind of routers/APs are sold these days where the DHCP server is locked on? :| |
| 20:07.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: So you turn it off. Then what |
| 20:07.56 | Neffi | To the guys that don't know shit about networking, it sounds like you're talking about ffmpeg |
| 20:08.03 | Dagmar | Amarande: You get to configure everything statically, in most cases. |
| 20:08.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: then presumably the DHCP request gets broadcast to whatever server on the network actually IS your DHCP server? |
| 20:08.09 | Dagmar | NMope |
| 20:08.41 | Amarande | As for why I don't want to touch OpenWRT again anytime soon, that would be because of some of the truly GENIUS decisions that go into some of the releases |
| 20:08.51 | Dagmar | Acting in a router capacity, the damn thing won't relay the DHCP traffic across the network boundary |
| 20:09.05 | Primer | DHCP is supposed to be broadacst...duh... |
| 20:09.08 | Amarande | like "okay, let's release an openwrt firmware for (model) that DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A DRIVER FOR (model)'S RADIO" |
| 20:09.21 | Amarande | that's how my old WRT54G finally met its end |
| 20:09.23 | Dagmar | Primer: Broadcast, but only within the scope of that _broadcast domain_ |
| 20:09.36 | Amarande | ah well, at least it finally gave me the excuse to upgrade to an N router with gigabit |
| 20:10.17 | Primer | Dagmar: You lost me. You expect broadcast packets to be "routed"? Isn't that a contradiction in terms? |
| 20:10.29 | Amarande | after flashing openwrt on the WRT54G, I only then find out that "oh, by the way, the openwrt firmware is bugged and doesn't support the wireless radio" *facepalm* |
| 20:10.37 | Amarande | on top of that, it apparently had specific issues with Charter |
| 20:10.47 | nevcairiel | sounds like you should all just buy better hardware then the $10 AP from walmart |
| 20:11.01 | Dagmar | Primer: No, I don't. This is why they don't start crossing the AP's interfaces just because someone turns the built-in DHCP server off, as someone suggested |
| 20:11.03 | Amarande | nevcairiel: I run a D-Link DIR-825 now, runs wonderfully |
| 20:11.13 | Amarande | picked it up from Tiger when it was only $90 (reg. $150) |
| 20:11.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: So you flashed a v7? |
| 20:11.52 | Primer | I didn't think the v7 had enough flash area to run openwrt any more. |
| 20:11.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: the WRT54G? It was actually a v2.0 or 2.2, one of the old ones that supposedly took open source firmware especially well |
| 20:12.16 | Dagmar | dafuq is wrong with those people publishing such a regression then |
| 20:12.20 | Primer | Mine is a v2, IIRC. So it's probably a G. |
| 20:12.52 | Torhal | http://imgur.com/GB6oPOq |
| 20:13.10 | Primer | I wonder if I should just disable my other APs now with this new n one, and just find a more central location for it |
| 20:13.10 | Dagmar | I've got an ancient wrt54g, a wrt54gl which is almost as ancient, some belkin thing, and a netgear that does alphabet soup, and then some squirrely belkin thing I never use |
| 20:13.25 | Dagmar | I do not have a very high opinion of Belkin anything. |
| 20:13.27 | Amarande | The wired LAN interface worked, and I could get onto the configuration interface without incident, but I couldn't activate the wireless radio, and for some reason it couldn't connect to the Internet (apparently, OpenWRT does some strangeness that Charter doesn't like, or some such :S) |
| 20:13.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: hah, me neither |
| 20:13.40 | nevcairiel | i gave my ancient wrt54g to my parents, who needs an ancient abg AP |
| 20:13.42 | Amarande | well, Belkin's cables are decent |
| 20:13.59 | Amarande | but their routers? I bought one of their routers once, and returned it to Radio Shack later that week |
| 20:14.02 | Primer | Amarande: Did you try Mac cloning? That's usually what most ISPs enforce. |
| 20:14.15 | Primer | Presuming you're getting ethernet on that end. |
| 20:14.36 | Dagmar | Well, generally if you have to clone the MAC, you can also just hard-reboot the cablemodem or DSL unit and it'll flush the stored MAC |
| 20:15.00 | Amarande | Yeah it wasn't the MAC, it was apparently some weird voodoo like this setting having to be on and not this other setting |
| 20:15.01 | Dagmar | The next thing it gives a DHCP lease to is it's new mommey |
| 20:15.06 | Amarande | and if you get it wrong (and it's wrong by default) |
| 20:15.12 | Primer | That was the only thing I liked about Time Warner. They gave you an ethernet bridge which used standard DHCP. Their service, OTOH, sucks nowadays. |
| 20:15.19 | jnwhiteh | solid snippet: http://wowprogramming.com/snippets/Hello_Azeroth_36 |
| 20:15.22 | jnwhiteh | I've had to do this before |
| 20:15.27 | Amarande | then OpenWRT tends to put out DHCP requests too frequently for Charter's taste, so the router locks itself out for Light only knows how long |
| 20:15.39 | Dagmar | ...and if you're very lucky, your ISP is as dumb as the one here and the sort of restricted network you're on until that point isn't all that restricted. ;) |
| 20:15.48 | Amarande | I've heard days, in some cases (it seems like it might even be sliding scale increasing with every attempt, like Diablo 2 temp bans heh) |
| 20:15.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: dafuq |
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| 20:16.16 | Amarande | Dagmar: some kind of super aggressive anti-DHCP-flooding protection apparently |
| 20:16.41 | Dagmar | Sounds more like incredible levels of stupidity. |
| 20:16.44 | Dagmar | What if you reboot often? |
| 20:16.57 | Dagmar | I kinda doubt OpenWRT is just spamming out request after reuqest |
| 20:17.12 | Primer | Agreed. |
| 20:17.27 | Amarande | But yeah, upon some additional research as to why the WAN wouldn't connect I learned about Charter and lockouts |
| 20:17.59 | Amarande | and that it seems that if you don't have the router settings just so for Charter before you first connect it to the cable modem, you are very likely to get the router locked out for ages |
| 20:18.21 | Dagmar | Sounds like some stupid shit the CS people were making up |
| 20:18.27 | Amarande | (appears to be a MAC-based lockout, since if I unplugged the crippled router and connected the computer directly to the CM, it was fine) |
| 20:19.19 | Amarande | Of course, even if I HAD gotten the router back online, there was still the little matter of no more wifi. :| |
| 20:19.29 | Dagmar | What I'm reading here is a half-witted description of an anti-P2P measure |
| 20:19.31 | Amarande | So yeah, I just decided then eff it and ordered the D-Link |
| 20:20.04 | Amarande | It was silly to stick to wireless G and 100BaseT, anyway |
| 20:20.11 | Amarande | and time to get modern. :) |
| 20:20.13 | Dagmar | They were apparently told "five connections in thirty seconds" which is fucking stupid |
| 20:20.32 | Dagmar | Good luck surfing any website and staying below that |
| 20:20.54 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, that's like the olden days of IRC |
| 20:21.04 | Amarande | where you couldn't even do a /list without getting slapped with "max sendq exceeded" |
| 20:23.14 | Primer | Amarande: another thing I've seen some ISP do is check the DHCP hostname that's being provided. |
| 20:23.24 | Primer | And if it's unknown, they won't assign an IP. |
| 20:23.56 | Dagmar | Yeah, Comcast here used to do that stupid shit |
| 20:24.22 | Dagmar | Another round of a tech trying to tell me "You can't name your machine just anything you want to. You have to use the name we give you." |
| 20:25.21 | Amarande | Dagmar: Charlene. Your machine's name is Charlene. :) |
| 20:26.59 | Dagmar | Actually, to convince this girl she was dealing with someone with more knowledge than everyone in her office, I started flirting with her over DHCP requests. |
| 20:27.44 | Dagmar | She told me she could see a log on her screen of what my cablemodem was seeing |
| 20:30.14 | Dagmar | If she'd sounded officious about it, I wouldn't have been flirting. |
| 20:30.17 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:33.20 | Fisker | I can almost sleep foxlit |
| 20:42.26 | Neffi | "I started flirting with her over DHCP requests" <- nerd level 52 unlocked |
| 20:42.43 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 20:42.52 | Dagmar | I can't really argue with that |
| 20:43.02 | Neffi | that's kinda cool though, in an almost cheesy way |
| 20:43.18 | Neffi | If the girl was nerdy herself, that could end well |
| 20:43.24 | Dagmar | It was either flirt or say really disturbing things. |
| 20:43.44 | Stanzilla | i wanna touch your ports |
| 20:44.06 | Dagmar | Yeah strangely I'm averse to saying things that might involve a later visit from the police |
| 20:44.17 | Neffi | at least you didnt take the low road and ask her to turn your floppy disk into a hard drive |
| 20:44.48 | Neffi | It baffles me that some guys think being that forward and perverse actually makes them sound cool/smooth |
| 20:46.40 | Neffi | speaking of, http://imgur.com/account/favorites/ThD0R |
| 20:46.47 | Neffi | as cheesy as some of these are, i love them |
| 20:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Cheese, Grommit! |
| 20:48.03 | Neffi | that link might be bad if you aren't logged in. here it is http://imgur.com/gallery/ThD0R |
| 20:50.17 | Amarande | yeah, this is what happens when Dagmar tries to be a lady's knight in shining armour |
| 20:50.17 | Amarande | http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Arrested-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-591714_800_441.jpg |
| 20:50.47 | Dagmar | Smething like that yeah |
| 20:51.03 | Neffi | haha |
| 20:58.32 | Dagmar | So... Someone sent you paper, in the mail... |
| 20:58.39 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 20:59.34 | Fisker | thanks Lopeppeppy |
| 21:03.54 | Lopeppeppy | You're welcome, Fisker. Fer what? |
| 21:04.13 | Fisker | crashing irc :( |
| 21:04.54 | Fisker | I almost made it 24 hours without sleeping |
| 21:04.59 | Fisker | woo |
| 21:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | I broke the internet, woot. |
| 21:07.06 | Fisker | yep |
| 21:16.25 | Shirik | "Cow FLATULENCE, gas emissions MUCH WORSE than thought - new study" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/26/potent_greenhouse_gas_emissions_much_higher_than_thought/ |
| 21:17.08 | Unkle | And all because Brits and Americans *love* them some beef. |
| 21:17.20 | Shirik | aren't you a texan |
| 21:17.29 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22633-NoTaintUIPanelTemplates.html << this is mildly amusing |
| 21:17.31 | Shirik | like your only exports are oil and beef |
| 21:17.57 | foxlit | "Library checked more than a year inside of Addon without causing cancer." |
| 21:18.04 | Unkle | I *love* me some beef, but you're not right. We also export football and Southern Baptists. |
| 21:18.14 | foxlit | >> "NoCancer UIPanelTemplates" |
| 21:18.22 | Shirik | oh how could I forget those |
| 21:18.38 | Unkle | And I'm a Californian now. |
| 21:18.48 | Shirik | wat |
| 21:18.49 | Shirik | since when |
| 21:19.00 | Unkle | Like for more than a year now. |
| 21:20.03 | Torhal | Shirik: He usurped cogwheel. |
| 21:20.03 | Dagmar | They'll probably find a cure any day now |
| 21:20.34 | Unkle | No, more like I filled the Cogwheelian vacuum. |
| 21:21.04 | Fisker | night |
| 21:22.53 | TC-Work | ~fail Shirik |
| 21:22.53 | purl | Shirik, you Fail! |
| 21:23.59 | Unkle | foxlit: That's something. |
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| 21:48.05 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/little-battler/ << now with all the tamers. |
| 21:48.20 | foxlit | (and slightly better hatting.) |
| 21:59.58 | Semlar | hatters gonna hat |
| 22:01.01 | Kaylin | hatters gonna get mercury poisoning. |
| 22:10.48 | Unkle | foxlit: Neat. |
| 22:11.56 | foxlit | Unkle: hurray! |
| 22:12.54 | foxlit | The plan is to do something with pet selection next. |
| 22:13.06 | foxlit | It's a bit awkward at the moment since you can't have the gossip frame and the pet journal visible at the same tiem. |
| 22:14.39 | Neffi | Can't you play with :SetAttribute on the managed frame positions system to allow them to be shown simultaneously. |
| 22:16.45 | foxlit | maybe, but that's ultimately not interesting. the Pet Journal is a sucky UI for managing battle pet teams. |
| 22:18.11 | foxlit | At the moment, I have my level 25 pets favorited, along with pets that I'd like to level. |
| 22:19.05 | Semlar | couldn't you just sort by level |
| 22:19.52 | foxlit | I do, but the level 25 favorites sort on top of everything. |
| 22:20.11 | foxlit | so maybe only the currently levelling pets should be favorite, but meh. |
| 22:20.46 | Semlar | i was going to do some quests in tol barad but it turns out the place is locked at least 15 minutes before the battle even starts |
| 22:20.59 | Semlar | what is this nonsense |
| 22:21.38 | Unkle | It's to prevent people from pre-placing forces. |
| 22:21.50 | Semlar | but it teleports you out if you aren't part of the battle.. |
| 22:21.59 | alestane | Anyone know if there's a way to tell grep "the line with this pattern, and the two lines after it"? |
| 22:22.58 | foxlit | alestane: yes, the man page. Maybe -B. |
| 22:23.14 | zenzelezz | -A |
| 22:23.15 | foxlit | in fact, -A. |
| 22:23.18 | zenzelezz | for after, -B for bfeore |
| 22:23.25 | alestane | As long as it's possible, I'll be happy to dig through the docs for the details. |
| 22:23.37 | zenzelezz | really simple, -A 2 for what you want |
| 22:24.20 | alestane | And this is why I don't start with the man page...in twenty seconds, I have an answer that a typical man page would have made me wade for several minutes. |
| 22:24.22 | alestane | Thanks. |
| 22:25.08 | foxlit | to be fair, man grep /after would've given you the answer in two seconds. |
| 22:25.35 | alestane | Not a man power user, but I'll try to remember that for the future. |
| 22:26.21 | Neffi | cool http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/nasa-outlines-ingenious-plan-to-resurrect-the-kepler-planet-hunter/ |
| 22:26.46 | Neffi | "hey lets balance a multi-ton telescope on a plane created by the symmetry of photons" |
| 22:27.48 | foxlit | Anubisath Idol is so deliciously OP on some of the pandarian tamers. |
| 22:27.59 | Semlar | i have a team of 3 of them |
| 22:28.21 | Semlar | just for the hell of it |
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| 22:31.00 | foxlit | it can probably solo Aki. |
| 22:31.01 | Amarande | foxlit: yay for getting the minipet on my very first solo ron of AQ40, too. :D |
| 22:31.27 | Semlar | can you believe its dodge move used to be able to reflect |
| 22:31.31 | Amarande | one of the things worth wading through the TDML nature of that place LOL |
| 22:37.39 | Unkle | Has anyone leveled up the BlizzCon murloc yet? |
| 22:38.39 | foxlit | it seemed rather lame |
| 22:40.56 | Unkle | I got him to 10, but ... he seems kind of weak. |
| 22:43.25 | foxlit | I don't like stuns against NPCs. |
| 22:45.01 | Ackis | jpeg or png? discuss |
| 22:45.15 | zenzelezz | PNG |
| 22:45.24 | foxlit | jpeg at twice the resolution you'll actually be using. |
| 22:46.05 | zenzelezz | if you tell us more about what you want from them it might help give a real answer Ackis |
| 22:46.17 | Ackis | zenzelezz: I just wanted to start a dicussion |
| 22:46.54 | foxlit | better idea: http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-taipan << is that any good? |
| 22:49.11 | Neffi | The discussion is kind of moot. The benefits of each are known. |
| 22:49.46 | Neffi | PNG achieves great compression on sources with large amounts of flat colors/patterns (eg screencaps of a website or anime). |
| 22:49.48 | Semlar | all i ever hear about nagas is that they don't last very long |
| 22:50.09 | Neffi | But PNG doesn't achieve very reasonable compression with images |
| 22:50.32 | Neffi | foxlit: I'll back that up. Razer mice don't last very long. They're not very well built. |
| 22:50.41 | Semlar | right i mean razer |
| 22:50.44 | Neffi | Their drivers are OK, but not stellar. |
| 22:50.51 | Neffi | Really, I think they're a tremendous waste |
| 22:50.59 | Semlar | i usually go with logitech |
| 22:51.03 | Neffi | Go Roccat, Mionix, Cooler Master, Corsair, Logitech |
| 22:51.22 | Neffi | Roccat is my favorite. Corsair offers a mouse with the phone-pad like side buttons if you want that. |
| 22:51.24 | Semlar | i had a g9x for like 5 years |
| 22:51.44 | Dagmar | neffi: That's like saying "AAC doesn't compress very well" |
| 22:51.47 | Neffi | Not all of CM's offerings are good, but I like my Cooler Master Storm Inferno very much. |
| 22:52.06 | Neffi | Dagmar: How so? |
| 22:52.19 | Dagmar | PNG compresses as well as it can without fucking up the image |
| 22:52.21 | Neffi | What you choose is mostly a matter of perceived quality vs bandwidth/space. |
| 22:52.57 | Dagmar | JPG will merrily turn your image into a cubist masterpiece which fits on a 5-1/4" flopp |
| 22:53.13 | Neffi | That all depends on how harshly you compress it |
| 22:53.49 | Neffi | Nobody complains about H.264 compressing horribly with unreasonably low bitrates. |
| 22:54.26 | Neffi | If you're publishing to the web, compression is something you probably want |
| 22:54.42 | Neffi | lossy compression* |
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| 23:00.34 | karl_w_w | all things depend |
| 23:00.42 | karl_w_w | is the sky blue? depends |
| 23:00.45 | Amarande | Semlar: heh, so the real reason they force you to sign up with cloud-based Synapse is so people don't complain when their mouse dies young and they have to redo the settings? :D |
| 23:01.49 | Neffi | That's a reason to offer Synapse. Not a reason to force you to use it. |
| 23:02.02 | Neffi | They force you to use it because they're fucking terrible at what they do |
| 23:02.17 | Neffi | Razer is the new Bose |
| 23:02.34 | Neffi | Moderate quality at lavish prices, with tons of marketing bullshytt to convince you it's superior |
| 23:02.50 | karl_w_w | not forgetting that bose is still bose |
| 23:03.10 | Neffi | Unfortunately there's room enough in the marker for two Boses |
| 23:03.15 | Amarande | Neffi: sadly, the average user is typically not competent enough to activate something optional but highly useful, but perfectly competent at bad-mouthing the vendor when something happens to inconvenience them that would have been entirely avoided by activating said thing :| |
| 23:03.15 | Neffi | Or so Razer's sales suggest |
| 23:03.15 | karl_w_w | also, "moderate quality" is being kind to both |
| 23:03.33 | Amarande | What was that suggestion I noted in an Ars discussion about Apple screws ... |
| 23:03.54 | Neffi | I'm not unfair. Razer mice are not outright terrible. They're not good, but it's not the worst thing you can buy, if you ignore the price. |
| 23:04.03 | Neffi | I'd rather have a Razer than a generic $10 mouse. |
| 23:04.07 | Amarande | That devices that offer warranties, for instance, should be carefully designed to restrict the user so as to give them as little ability to break them as possible through voluntary acts of ignorance |
| 23:04.15 | Neffi | But if I'm spending any more than $30, I'm not going anywhere near a Razer |
| 23:04.40 | kd3 | is still using his mx-revolution |
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| 23:04.55 | Amarande | heh. I use a cheap Logitech wireless mouse/keyboard combo from Radio Shack |
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| 23:05.28 | Neffi | Yeah. I'd rather have like a Razer DeathAdder than that kind of mouse Amarande, if I could get it at the same price. |
| 23:05.42 | karl_w_w | I think almost all mice on the market are pretty crappy tbh |
| 23:05.50 | Neffi | They're terrible *for what you spend*, by a good margin |
| 23:06.05 | Neffi | See the companies I mentioned above |
| 23:06.24 | foxlit | what do people use for headphones? |
| 23:06.44 | Neffi | Mionix gets respect for its build quality and impeccable sensors. That's why a lot of pro gamers use them. Roccat is up there in quality and sensor too, with the added frill of the extra buttons and programmable shit. |
| 23:06.55 | Neffi | foxlit: Now that's an industry that's fucked |
| 23:07.17 | karl_w_w | sennheiser are the logitech equivalent |
| 23:07.27 | Neffi | You can buy "gamer" headsets if you want something with a decent mic (and optionally wireless) but for what you pay on them, it's a travesty |
| 23:07.32 | karl_w_w | ie. the only one of the big names that's worth a damn |
| 23:07.35 | Neffi | You're better off going with decent cans for the price |
| 23:07.42 | foxlit | thinking mainly of listening to music from a phone, not a gaming set. |
| 23:07.53 | Neffi | Sennheiser is good |
| 23:08.24 | Neffi | If you want IEMs, you should see this guide: .... |
| 23:08.31 | Neffi | http://www.head-fi.org/t/478568/multi-iem-review-302-iems-compared-1964ears-v6-stage-added-11-12-13-p-806 |
| 23:08.58 | karl_w_w | I've had dozens of earphones, and my current cx 150s are the only ones that actually stay in my ears at all times |
| 23:09.22 | Neffi | As for cans, Sennheiser, AKG, Audio-Technica, and a bunch of others I can never remember the names of |
| 23:09.43 | Neffi | IEMs are not earphones. They're monitors. They create a seal in your ear for proper sound. |
| 23:09.51 | Neffi | So most of them stay in just fine |
| 23:10.14 | Ackis | ohh cool I got an achievement just for logging in! |
| 23:10.25 | karl_w_w | beyerdynamic, koss |
| 23:10.36 | Neffi | I'm incredibly happy with my Thinksound IEMs. Incredible sound quality. Really, really brilliant product. |
| 23:10.44 | Neffi | Model ts02 to be particular |
| 23:11.10 | karl_w_w | shure |
| 23:11.18 | Neffi | The sound quality blows away my stepfather's home theater system that he put together with primarily high-end Yamaha speakers and a really good Pioneer receiver |
| 23:11.29 | karl_w_w | there are lots of good headphones if you know what to look for |
| 23:11.39 | karl_w_w | they're in a better place than mice |
| 23:11.48 | Neffi | (At least with a good source like the Clip+. But they're noticeably worse with poor or high-impedance sources like an iPod) |
| 23:12.37 | Amarande | heh, Koss always makes me think of GUild Wars |
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| 23:13.18 | Neffi | I remember an old pair of $15 Koss IEMs my stepfather bought. The quality was very good for the price. I'm not overly a fan of Koss, but for what you pay you get a good product. |
| 23:13.34 | Neffi | It's the first IEM I used, and it really marked the difference between earphones and IEMs |
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| 23:29.44 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/1rgtzy/what_happened_to_caellian/ |
| 23:29.52 | Ackis | and with that post I goes homes |
| 23:38.36 | Shirik | awkward |
| 23:38.44 | Shirik | I couldn't remember my password, so I did the battle.net reset |
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| 23:38.59 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/e14a94a4e44ea2e95b4280112e1003e2 |
| 23:41.19 | Neffi | you should stop using Gyazo |
| 23:42.08 | Amarande | I don't even really know what Gyazo is. |
| 23:42.22 | Neffi | Hover over the image, then click on it |
| 23:42.39 | Neffi | The tooltip is unprofessional, but that can be excused. Starting an .exe download when the image is clicked cannot. |
| 23:43.01 | Neffi | It's harmful behavior to let anyone think that's good practice by promoting the site |
| 23:43.35 | Amarande | Neffi: you mean like how some projects are abandoning Sourceforge because of the Download Now ad scams? |
| 23:44.04 | Neffi | I wouldn't know, because that's a large part of why I use AdBlock |
| 23:44.33 | Neffi | If it weren't for bright, flashy ads; ads with sound; and fake download buttons galore I might tolerate ads |
| 23:45.16 | Amarande | yeah, that's where sourceforge is losing popularity |
| 23:45.27 | Amarande | apparently there's a spate of advertisers using fake download button ads on the ... download page |
| 23:45.40 | Neffi | To be honest, Github is nicer |
| 23:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, filehippo's a minefield without adblock |
| 23:45.50 | Neffi | Page layout is much more intuitive. It's nicer for the end user. |
| 23:45.52 | Amarande | and projects aren't happy when their users catch malware because they fail to manage to successfully guess which damn button is the REAL download |
| 23:45.58 | Mr_Rabies | i love filehippo but i can't suggest it to our customers because it's easier to get a virus there than legit downloads |
| 23:46.16 | Amarande | [ADWARE] [TROJAN] [PLEASE ENCRYPT ALL MY DOCUMENTS] [PROPER DOWNLOAD BUTTON] [PORN TOOLBAR] |
| 23:47.06 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.filehippo.com/download_7zip_32/ |
| 23:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | for example, view that with adblock off |
| 23:47.24 | Mr_Rabies | the ads themselves are just image ads afaik, so they're okay, but the links might not be |
| 23:47.29 | Neffi | Jesus christ |
| 23:47.50 | Neffi | FileHippo isn't the only one though. A LOT of freeware hosts do that. In fact I don't know of a single one that doesn't. |
| 23:48.31 | Neffi | As much as I sympathize with people who want AdBlock abolished because of the impact on ad revenue, it's become such a necessary evil for the safety of people who aren't tech-literate |
| 23:49.03 | foxlit | These ads are ridiculous |
| 23:49.12 | Amarande | Neffi: and don't forget there's apparently been versions of CryptoLocker distributed as drive bys via zero day browser exploits. *joy* :| |
| 23:49.30 | Neffi | bah |
| 23:49.39 | Amarande | gah cryptolocker, may I never encounter that bastard |
| 23:49.58 | Amarande | that one actually has teeth. oh, sure, you could try to undo the damage, but ... well ... it ends up kinda like this |
| 23:50.01 | foxlit | Frankly, I don't understand why anyone who isn't an asshole puts them in their ad rotations |
| 23:50.04 | Amarande | *10^15+ years later* |
| 23:50.14 | Arrowmaster | im waiting for it to hit my work |
| 23:50.43 | Amarande | "Hey, I finally undid cryptolocker from 2013! Thank my lucky stars I learned cryptanalysis ... by the way, where ARE my lucky stars anyway? Or ANY stars for that matter ..." |
| 23:50.46 | Arrowmaster | people have entire servers mapped to drive letters instead of just the directory their team uses |
| 23:50.49 | foxlit | And that includes you, Curse. |
| 23:50.52 | Mr_Rabies | i just run adblock globally |
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| 23:51.08 | Neffi | Some group should promote the use of banners that indicate a given site only uses safe, unobtrusive and non-misleading ads |
| 23:51.15 | Mr_Rabies | i wish the curse account was a bit more affordable, i think the total revenue would be higher if it was |
| 23:51.19 | Neffi | A nice indication of when it's safe to whitelist from AdBlock |
| 23:51.29 | Mr_Rabies | or a bit more valuable, if at the same price |
| 23:51.41 | Mr_Rabies | right now it's not really a great deal |
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| 23:53.21 | Mr_Rabies | $5 a month is cheap enough, i guess, but you barely get anything valuable out of that, and it's nearing online video subscription pricing |
| 23:54.28 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/wp.jpg *shakes fist* |
| 23:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | play now do it do it |
| 23:55.40 | Mr_Rabies | so you can play world of warmans on your phone |
| 23:56.20 | Shirik | wtf is TELIA |
| 23:56.22 | foxlit | It leads to somewhere that wants your emails. Scum. |
| 23:56.59 | Shirik | it kinda sounds like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD2S5f5aC78 |
