| 00:00.12 | Semlar-Laptop | as far as i know it's not possible |
| 00:00.56 | Semlar-Laptop | if you want to get onto the eu region you have to have an "eu" account |
| 00:01.26 | Semlar-Laptop | and battle tags are region specific |
| 00:01.32 | pompy | http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/23348043/study-chronic-lateness-may-actually-be-medical-condition?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9273922 |
| 00:01.34 | pompy | lol |
| 00:01.34 | Tuller | even with the free to play up to level 25 thing? |
| 00:01.44 | TC-Work | I thought you could just point the login server file to the EU ip |
| 00:01.52 | TC-Work | or does that not work anymore |
| 00:02.39 | Semlar-Laptop | you can connect to their login server but i mean you don't technically have an eu account |
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| 00:03.17 | Semlar-Laptop | you might be able to use the free to play account to get on but you can't communicate with them ^_^ |
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| 00:06.09 | Corv | Trying to F2P account approach, see if I can track someone down the hard way |
| 00:06.31 | Corv | FWIW, the Battle.net launcher makes it nice and easy, no fiddling with the realmlist |
| 00:06.48 | Semlar-Laptop | you can't send messages to anyone on an f2p account |
| 00:06.59 | Corv | I can /say |
| 00:07.02 | Semlar-Laptop | nope |
| 00:07.07 | Corv | Uh. |
| 00:07.10 | Semlar-Laptop | nobody can see it |
| 00:07.42 | Semlar-Laptop | you can only send messages to someone who puts you on their friends list or sends you a whisper |
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| 00:08.19 | Corv | "Players on Starter Edition game licences have the following restrictions: Chat communication limited to say, party, and whisper" |
| 00:08.20 | Corv | "Cannot send whispers unless the Starter Edition character is on the recipients friends list, or unless the Starter Edition character is replying to a whisper" |
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| 00:08.40 | Semlar-Laptop | unless they changed something nobody can see your "say"s |
| 00:08.47 | Corv | That's beyond stupid. |
| 00:08.49 | Semlar-Laptop | but you can try it |
| 00:09.15 | Semlar-Laptop | i played on an f2p account for a while and the closest thing you had to communication was emotes |
| 00:09.39 | iShirik | that's not beyond stupid |
| 00:09.53 | iShirik | the alternative is get spammed by people all day |
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| 00:10.49 | Semlar-Laptop | as it is you only get spammed from hacked accounts! |
| 00:10.53 | Neffi | "bluIRCCloudCow" |
| 00:11.00 | Neffi | clever names you come up with |
| 00:13.03 | Semlar-Laptop | you might be able to contact them through diablo if you have their battle tag |
| 00:13.30 | Semlar-Laptop | ..and diablo |
| 00:14.05 | Arrowmaster | hearthstone! |
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| 00:56.04 | airtonix | As an australian whose never left the country before, should I move to palto alto if i get an offer of work? |
| 00:56.25 | airtonix | ie: what are the downsides to living in palto alto? |
| 00:56.47 | TC-Work | SF is supposedly a nice place to live |
| 00:57.09 | kd3 | cost of living is one of the highest in the country |
| 00:57.15 | Neffi | Downsides it the cost of living |
| 00:57.21 | xyphoid | very expensive, transport sounds rough |
| 00:57.32 | Neffi | Upside is, the surrounding area is beautiful and awesome from what my father and brother tell me |
| 00:57.52 | airtonix | so need to deal with mouthbreathing ankle pant wearers? |
| 00:57.56 | TC-Work | Looks like 3rd highest. |
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| 00:58.12 | kd3 | if they're not offering something in the upper 5/lower 6-figures, you're going to be living in a cardboard box and eating ramen for all your meals |
| 00:58.24 | kd3 | >.> |
| 00:58.26 | xyphoid | i really anjoyed visiting SF but it was a hell of a shock compared to NZ |
| 00:58.41 | airtonix | in what way xyphoid |
| 00:58.56 | airtonix | kd3: 150k minimum? |
| 00:59.15 | airtonix | assuming i want to return home with money |
| 00:59.28 | xyphoid | the climate won't be such a shock coming from oz i bet |
| 00:59.36 | TC-Work | Depends where |
| 00:59.39 | airtonix | oh you mean weather |
| 00:59.47 | airtonix | i hate the heat |
| 00:59.55 | TC-Work | SF is wet and windy and cold |
| 00:59.59 | kd3 | you'll like sf. it's always gray and windy and cold |
| 01:00.04 | TC-Work | sounds like a great place |
| 01:00.05 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:00.07 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
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| 01:02.11 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: have you seen the pathfinder advanced class guide playtest yet? |
| 01:04.51 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: No, but then I tend to ignore the playtests |
| 01:05.06 | Arrowmaster | you need to see it |
| 01:05.13 | Arrowmaster | the bloodrager is lolz |
| 01:05.17 | airtonix | lol 600$ a week for a single bedroom apartment? wtf |
| 01:05.42 | Arrowmaster | barbarian with magus spells and gains sorcerer bloodline powers while raging |
| 01:05.52 | kd3 | well, someone underestimated the wind load... http://i.imgur.com/uz2NR8e.jpg |
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| 01:06.25 | Arrowmaster | kd3: thats a turbine right? |
| 01:06.30 | kd3 | ya |
| 01:07.12 | Semlar | WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY |
| 01:10.42 | airtonix | gets a bit windy |
| 01:10.50 | airtonix | should have farted in the other direction |
| 01:13.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.42 | Corv | How do I manually flag my addon as outdated on WoWInterface? |
| 01:13.45 | Neffi | damn windmills |
| 01:13.51 | Neffi | we should use safe energy like nuclear |
| 01:14.05 | kd3 | what's the link to your addon? |
| 01:14.13 | Corv | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info16409-ChillEffect.html |
| 01:14.19 | kd3 | Cairenn: ^ |
| 01:14.25 | Corv | Heh. |
| 01:15.14 | Neffi | The images of your addon look nice. Just dont want to update it anymore? |
| 01:15.30 | airtonix | what's the point of it? |
| 01:15.34 | Corv | Honestly, it's been outdated since Cataclysm. As far as I'm concerned, Blizz did it better. |
| 01:15.41 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: What for, you can't use int based skills or abilites while raging. |
| 01:15.41 | Neffi | "Chill Effect aims to improve the Blizzard UI by exposing more information in a more convenient format. |
| 01:15.51 | Corv | Back in Wrath, when you had dual dropdowns on the paperdollframe, it was more relevant. |
| 01:15.52 | airtonix | yeah so whats the point? |
| 01:15.54 | Neffi | Fair enough |
| 01:16.10 | Neffi | I'd contest that though. I still wanted to overhaul all the windows post-Cata. Never got around to it. |
| 01:16.12 | airtonix | oh it's the tooltips? |
| 01:16.33 | Corv | No, it's... one sec |
| 01:16.55 | airtonix | those tooltips come from another addon? |
| 01:16.57 | Cairenn | Moved to outdated |
| 01:17.26 | Corv | The tooltips, especially for resistances, are part of it |
| 01:17.30 | Corv | (thanks Cairenn!) |
| 01:17.39 | Cairenn | You're welcome :) |
| 01:17.41 | Corv | But it's from an era when the default ui looked like this: http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/gamespot/images/2007/035/reviews/777943-928901_20070205_002.jpg |
| 01:18.23 | Corv | There was just no way to see more than two groupings of data, and resists were just "none" "good" "Very good" |
| 01:18.34 | airtonix | oh it's the bottom two stat windows repeated with more infor |
| 01:18.49 | Corv | For the character sheet, yes. |
| 01:19.09 | airtonix | what was that addon that let you setup profiles of equip to quick swap? |
| 01:19.23 | Corv | Dressing Room I think was one? |
| 01:19.24 | Semlar | closet gnome |
| 01:19.29 | airtonix | nah none of those |
| 01:19.30 | Corv | ^ |
| 01:19.32 | kd3 | itemrack? |
| 01:19.36 | airtonix | getting close |
| 01:20.07 | airtonix | it also put indicators in the tooltips wether an item you were mousing over was better than the same slot item you had equipped |
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| 01:21.46 | airtonix | outfitter |
| 01:22.16 | airtonix | but the other thing i was talking about is pawn |
| 01:23.20 | Corv | Do vehicles still scale with equipped iLvl? |
| 01:23.35 | Semlar | yep |
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| 01:24.03 | Corv | Cool, time to go see if that addon still works as well. |
| 01:37.15 | Corv | Hmm. Well, mostly. Multiples of a unique-equipped item are a bit off. |
| 01:37.49 | Corv | 'course, then again, what scaling vehicles are around these days? |
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| 01:39.57 | kd3 | the oculus would probably be the easiest to get to if you don't want to wait for wintergrasp/tol barad |
| 01:40.28 | Torhal | bluIRCCloudCow: You did see The Night of The Doctor, aye? |
| 01:40.47 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 01:41.10 | bluIRCCloudCow | is that where he crash lands and meets his groupies ? |
| 01:41.14 | Torhal | bluIRCCloudCow: The Internet-only 50th Anniversary prequel? |
| 01:41.17 | Torhal | Yes. |
| 01:41.29 | bluspacecow | there are many IIRC |
| 01:41.37 | Gethe | Ulduar is also a good place for vehicles, lots of mobs to kill |
| 01:41.39 | bluspacecow | http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/videos/?sort=newest |
| 01:42.09 | Torhal | bluIRCCloudCow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo |
| 01:42.34 | Corv | Well yes, I know Oculus/Malygos/Ulduar. But is there anything that's actually current? |
| 01:42.42 | bluspacecow | that cas person |
| 01:42.46 | bluspacecow | so much haet |
| 01:42.48 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 01:45.42 | bluspacecow | iTunes store as a Dr Who The Last Day mini episode. |
| 01:47.15 | Torhal | bluIRCCloudCow: Can't trust iTunes for TV shows. Their Breaking Bad season pass was only good for the first half of the season FFS! |
| 01:47.27 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/10klcl/list_of_doctor_who_miniepisodes/ |
| 01:47.29 | bluspacecow | this one is free. |
| 01:47.45 | bluspacecow | why thank you arrow |
| 01:47.53 | Torhal | Clara and The TARDIS is funny. |
| 01:47.58 | bluspacecow | yeah |
| 01:48.06 | bluspacecow | TARDIS no rikey Clara |
| 01:48.07 | Arrowmaster | they keep that reddit post updated, bookmark it |
| 01:53.54 | bluspacecow | iTunes has a 720p version for free |
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| 01:59.48 | airtonix | bluspacecow: i'm sure the other two people in the world that use itunes will be excited to know that |
| 01:59.59 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 02:02.29 | airtonix | why are you so disgustingly cheerful bluspacecow? |
| 02:02.35 | airtonix | haha |
| 02:04.21 | bluspacecow | its my day off and i'm not working today |
| 02:04.53 | airtonix | so does that mean you're not required to be as cheerful as you normally are? |
| 02:05.58 | bluspacecow | laundry's done BRB |
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| 02:40.48 | jleclanche | any idea what google uses blogblog.com for? |
| 02:41.05 | jleclanche | i seem to find it pretty often in my request log when dealing with blogspot sites |
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| 03:12.56 | kd3 | o_O; http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-emergency-landing-oia-jetblue-20131120,0,2837429.story |
| 03:17.47 | Thunder_Child | I am very happy that nvidia's windows drivers have reached the point that you no longer have to restart to install them, however it would be nice if they did not mess up the position of all of my open windows when it updates. |
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| 04:14.19 | pompy | Any 3ds owners: http://nerdreactor.com/2013/11/20/register-3ds-get-super-mario-3d-land-free/ |
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| 04:44.38 | pompy | kd3: lol https://www.facebook.com/bleacherreport/posts/10151737784251006:0 coincidence |
| 04:44.50 | pompy | and i see randomly within the comments of that post https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151737784171006&set=a.10150274478951006.330140.7331091005&type=1&comment_id=12283029&offset=0&total_comments=35 |
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| 06:25.08 | Fisker | I hope cogwheel doesn't die today |
| 06:25.43 | bluspacecow | did you |
| 06:25.50 | bluspacecow | has grilled cheese today? |
| 06:26.25 | ShirikPro | I did not |
| 06:26.30 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 06:26.42 | bluspacecow | *slaps airtonix on the barby* |
| 06:26.49 | bluspacecow | *spreads cheese on him* |
| 06:26.56 | ShirikPro | I did however |
| 06:26.59 | ShirikPro | get my macbook pro |
| 06:27.00 | bluspacecow | be ready in a jiffy ShirikPro |
| 06:27.12 | Fisker | fail Shirik |
| 06:27.12 | bluspacecow | Can you grill cheese on it ? |
| 06:27.19 | ShirikPro | no |
| 06:27.20 | Fisker | surface pro it |
| 06:27.24 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 06:27.31 | bluspacecow | can you grill an Egg on it ? |
| 06:27.56 | ShirikPro | it is not very good at griling |
| 06:28.41 | Fisker | actually it is |
| 06:28.48 | Fisker | you're just in denial |
| 06:31.24 | Corv | Is there a practical way to measure which addons might be causing framerate issues at login? |
| 06:31.42 | Corv | Something like GetFramesRegisteredForEvent(EVENT)? |
| 06:32.07 | Semlar | there are some benchmarking addons |
| 06:32.36 | ShirikPro | it's far easier to do a binary search |
| 06:32.45 | Corv | Disable half addons, etc? |
| 06:32.48 | ShirikPro | yes |
| 06:32.53 | Corv | Blah, fair enough. |
| 06:33.34 | Neffi | Easier than installing a profiler and looking at what it's using? |
| 06:33.51 | Semlar | i rarely have an addon kill my frame rate if it isn't throwing errors |
| 06:34.54 | Semlar | it would have to be doing some intensive processing |
| 06:36.58 | Semlar | neffi why is it so annoying to hide the original nameplate |
| 06:37.08 | Neffi | because i said so |
| 06:37.50 | Neffi | lua> getmetatable''.__index=function(s,i) return s:sub(i,i) end; local s='abcdefg'; print(s[3]) |
| 06:37.50 | lua_bot | Neffi: nil |
| 06:37.53 | Semlar | i could reparent the regions but it would break every other nameplate addon |
| 06:38.21 | Semlar | thus eliminating any competition.. |
| 06:38.36 | Neffi | sounds good tbh |
| 06:39.14 | Neffi | lua> getmetatable('').__index=function(s,i) return s:sub(i,i) end; local s='abcdefg'; print(s[3]) |
| 06:39.14 | lua_bot | Neffi: nil |
| 06:39.20 | Neffi | why lua_bot |
| 06:41.06 | Semlar | because you broke teh metatable |
| 06:41.23 | Semlar | how is sub gonna work |
| 06:43.36 | Neffi | o rite |
| 06:43.57 | Neffi | no error? |
| 06:44.09 | Semlar | well, i imagine it should be throwing an error |
| 06:44.19 | Semlar | or an infinite loop |
| 06:44.38 | Semlar | wouldn't it just try to look up sub in its metatable and call this again |
| 06:45.12 | Neffi | o rite |
| 06:45.16 | Semlar | i'm no lua doctor |
| 06:45.19 | Neffi | I'm tirred |
| 06:45.25 | Semlar | get some slerp |
| 06:46.04 | Neffi | soon |
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| 07:43.29 | ShirikPro | so jnwhiteh, what I have learned in my first day of macbook ownership is that it's damn easy to use, especially if you know how to use unix, and that if I can't find something, it's probably because I forgot there's a menu bar at the top of the window |
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| 07:53.39 | Fisker | pls Shirik |
| 07:53.49 | Fisker | this is your first macbook? |
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| 08:03.08 | Fisker | poor Shirik |
| 08:03.12 | Fisker | I hope he's alright |
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| 09:23.20 | d[karl]b | he's not alright Fisker |
| 09:23.30 | d[karl]b | he bought a macbook! |
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| 09:23.40 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 10:03.19 | d[karl]b | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhjHAPw1q-M I love this episode |
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| 10:58.09 | karl_w_w | who here plays GTA V? |
| 10:58.48 | karl_w_w | I'm wondering if GTA map size has yet reached the point where it's quicker to drive to the airport and steal a plane to go somewhere than it is to just drive there |
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| 12:38.38 | zenzio | so, watching the chess game from Anand vs. Carlsen, in the world champsionship... Anand just took 40 minutes to consider one single move |
| 12:45.59 | karl_w_w | doesn't seem even slightly surprising |
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| 13:17.54 | zenzio | karl_w_w: they only have two hours total (each) |
| 13:19.38 | karl_w_w | now it seems surprising |
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| 13:57.55 | Alram | anyone going to DreamHack Winter 2013? |
| 14:01.59 | zenzio | would've been interesting, but I'll have to settle for the streams |
| 14:02.23 | Alram | need someone to go find out if the WoD build there is the same as the BC build |
| 14:03.19 | A-KO | does it matter?.... |
| 14:03.28 | A-KO | there's a strong chance of "probably not" |
| 14:03.45 | Alram | yep, it matters |
| 14:03.48 | A-KO | why? |
| 14:04.10 | Alram | its not exactly next door to irvine |
| 14:04.20 | Alram | so the build might be up somewhere |
| 14:04.36 | Alram | they've been silly with that kind of stuff before |
| 14:05.39 | A-KO | uh |
| 14:05.50 | A-KO | uhm.... |
| 14:05.54 | A-KO | I don't even know what to say to that |
| 14:05.55 | A-KO | lol |
| 14:06.07 | Alram | if it doesnt matter to you, then don't :P |
| 14:06.57 | A-KO | I just don't see what you're looking for. You're going to try to assume that they'll put it up publicly on the internet for download? |
| 14:07.07 | Alram | well yes |
| 14:07.12 | Alram | thats generally what blizzard does |
| 14:07.20 | Alram | how do you think RoS leaked out months back |
| 14:07.28 | Alram | or any of the F&F alphas |
| 14:07.39 | A-KO | F&F alphas leak because they're public |
| 14:07.44 | A-KO | WoD is not F&F alpha |
| 14:07.53 | Alram | RoS wasn't in F&F either yet at the time |
| 14:08.21 | Alram | and yet it was up on their servers |
| 14:08.30 | A-KO | I can assure you that any non-public leaks are tracked down intensely by their internal security team. |
| 14:08.37 | A-KO | so any of those avenues are likely cut off |
| 14:09.06 | Alram | the cdn is not as secure as you think it is |
| 14:09.42 | A-KO | I'm pretty sure for something like these cons they're not using CDN |
| 14:09.52 | Alram | probably not |
| 14:10.07 | Alram | but since RoS leaked, it's worth checking out |
| 14:10.20 | A-KO | not really |
| 14:10.20 | Alram | it went into F&F this week and was on the CDN mid september |
| 14:10.29 | Alram | i disagree |
| 14:10.40 | A-KO | They know when they upload it that it's going to be public at that point. They're not idiots. |
| 14:10.56 | A-KO | perhaps some people may be, but they have some extremely talented folks there. |
| 14:11.31 | Alram | they shipped the development map a while back in some MPQs |
| 14:11.37 | Alram | they knew that was public but it still happened |
| 14:11.54 | A-KO | It's likely because they didn't care about it to that degree. |
| 14:12.04 | Alram | its still a mistake |
| 14:12.14 | Alram | so it could happen, chances are just extremely slim |
| 14:12.36 | A-KO | You only assume it was a mistake and not "We just don't care. You can do very little to nothing with this content." |
| 14:12.45 | Alram | just like RoS? :P |
| 14:12.50 | A-KO | Kind of like the Karazhan updates being seen in the patch files right now. All it tells us is they're working on Karazhan. |
| 14:13.23 | nevcairiel | i think they sometimes try to troll the dataminers with some things :P |
| 14:13.28 | A-KO | You assume that F&F alpha 'started' when the F&F alpha did....it's likely they made the decision to post for F&F months before officially released, and started posting the builds, which is why you'd see it on CDN. |
| 14:13.36 | A-KO | nevcairiel: that, too. |
| 14:13.53 | A-KO | WoD is nowhere near F&F alpha atm |
| 14:14.32 | A-KO | nevcairiel: Like I said--they know what they're doing. I'm not going to say they execute 100% all of the time, but they're not idiots. |
| 14:14.40 | Alram | WoD is further ahead than any other expansion was when they announced it according to GC. |
| 14:14.41 | A-KO | occasionally....anyway |
| 14:15.35 | A-KO | Alram: that's nice. Doesn't mean F&F alpha is around the corner. Holidays are here. I wouldn't expect anything at all until well into January at the earliest. |
| 14:15.42 | Alram | I agree |
| 14:15.48 | Alram | But I still think it's worth looking into |
| 14:15.55 | A-KO | I don't. |
| 14:16.02 | Alram | thats fine then |
| 14:16.49 | A-KO | You aren't outsmarting the people that pretty much wrote Google's TOTP implementation.....before it was standardized.... |
| 14:17.37 | Alram | also your opinion |
| 14:18.34 | nevcairiel | how do you even know they arent testing F&F :p |
| 14:19.27 | A-KO | To be honest? I don't. But mostly because I haven't asked, really. |
| 14:19.41 | nevcairiel | personally i would even expect the beta to start in Q1 14 |
| 14:19.54 | A-KO | Q1-14 is likely if their aggressive timeframe is believed |
| 14:20.04 | Alram | yeah, and 1.5 months away from such a beta wouldn't classify as "nowhere near" |
| 14:20.14 | A-KO | I don't think they'll hit a Q2 release |
| 14:20.16 | nevcairiel | I was more thinking of end of february |
| 14:20.25 | A-KO | it's possible they don't even do F&F |
| 14:20.32 | Alram | they probably wont do F&F |
| 14:20.36 | nevcairiel | Q2 would be great, but i hope for July or around there |
| 14:20.38 | Alram | or atleast not as they used to in BC/WottLK |
| 14:20.41 | nevcairiel | so early Q3 |
| 14:20.46 | A-KO | nevcairiel: if they hit Q2 I would expect very late Q2, heh |
| 14:20.49 | Alram | and if they do it's non-NDA'd |
| 14:20.51 | A-KO | but Q3 is far more likely |
| 14:21.08 | A-KO | I mean, they did do the item squish at blizzcon so |
| 14:21.10 | A-KO | there's that |
| 14:21.33 | nevcairiel | such things must take so much rebalancing |
| 14:21.52 | A-KO | I suspect the item squish was probably one of the largest changes they've made to the game yet.... |
| 14:21.53 | foxlit | really? |
| 14:22.15 | A-KO | but who knows what math they use...it could have been as simple as change some numbers around....or as complex as completely rebuilding the math |
| 14:22.29 | A-KO | or "/ 1000" lol |
| 14:22.46 | nevcairiel | I dont think stuff scales linear enough for such a simple math |
| 14:22.46 | foxlit | It seems like it's relatively easy to change stats around at the start of an expansion cycle. |
| 14:22.56 | Alram | considering they said old content would still feel exactly the same, there's probably some hard math going on |
| 14:22.58 | A-KO | I don't think so either, nevcairiel. |
| 14:23.14 | A-KO | eh |
| 14:23.17 | nevcairiel | well sure foxlit, the problem is that it will hit with 6.0, a month or so before the expansion, and they prefer not to leave the game completely weird for that period |
| 14:23.28 | A-KO | "feel similar"......but it definitely seemed different... |
| 14:23.43 | A-KO | It felt different enough that I noticed the item squish before looking at numbers |
| 14:23.47 | foxlit | It doesn't need to be precise for any level except max. |
| 14:23.55 | A-KO | yes |
| 14:23.56 | nevcairiel | although admittedly when the 3.0 patch hit we all were quite overpowered as well |
| 14:24.00 | foxlit | So the 1-89 stuff seems like it could be realistically handled by a bot. |
| 14:25.06 | nevcairiel | well yeah it doesnt need to be exact, and they did say they rather focus on balancing max level then make sure playing 60 content at 60 feels authentic |
| 14:25.08 | Alram | if they're indeed further along than MoP when it was announced we should see beta in January/February |
| 14:25.23 | nevcairiel | still need to make sure the range fits, and then just roll with it |
| 14:25.27 | foxlit | And 90 is just, like, this one level -- overpower everyone in relation to the months-old content available at that point, and nobody will care. |
| 14:26.45 | Fisker | hey foxlit |
| 14:26.58 | foxlit | hey Fisker. |
| 14:26.59 | nevcairiel | why did they go back on the squish the last time? |
| 14:27.03 | nevcairiel | just not ready, too much QQ? |
| 14:27.31 | foxlit | it was just floated as an idea. |
| 14:27.39 | Arrowmaster | people are overpowered the patch right before every expansion |
| 14:27.42 | foxlit | I don't think there was every an implementation that they backed out of. |
| 14:27.49 | foxlit | s/every/ever/ |
| 14:30.10 | Fisker | Why do you live on bornholm foxlit? |
| 14:30.26 | foxlit | Didn't I say I lived on a moon made of cheese? |
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| 14:30.57 | Fisker | Nope |
| 14:31.01 | foxlit | Not sure how bornholm fits into that picture. |
| 14:32.30 | Fisker | do you live on bornholm though? |
| 14:33.43 | foxlit | I do not want to dignify these wild, unfounded accusations. |
| 14:35.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:52.45 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 14:52.48 | Fisker | :( |
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| 15:26.07 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:27.34 | Lopeppeppy | can't see a thing. Blind as a bat. What fish? |
| 15:27.55 | alestane | Did you misplace your contacts, Peppy? |
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| 15:42.21 | rid__ | hugs Fisker |
| 15:43.45 | Lopeppeppy | Eye doctor, those funky pupil-dialating drops. The world is soft and blurry. It's like wearing Peril Sensitive Sunglasses, but much brighter. |
| 15:44.09 | alestane | So you can't see anything that might alarm you, but you're squinting all the time? |
| 15:44.28 | rid_ | I read squirting :< |
| 15:45.19 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: a collegue of mine had those drops not too long ago... was funny as hell watching him fumbling around :) |
| 15:46.56 | Maldivia | until he had enough and went home instead, and took the day off :) |
| 15:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | NMK, rid. |
| 15:47.41 | kd3 | oh good grief. another jumbo landing at an airport that it can't lift off from? |
| 15:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Maldivia, I'm doing some filing and some other stuff, and some repetitive image upload stuff - not much fine-detail shite today. I get this every year, sometimes twice a year, I'm good at working around it by now. |
| 15:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | Last night I dreamed I was coding a snippet and I got halfway through a for-loop when I woke up. And I was pissed that I hadn't finished the project so I could see if it would actually work. |
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| 15:54.58 | Dagmar | kd3: This is what happens when they forget to put spoilers and pinstripes on planes |
| 15:55.09 | kd3 | lol |
| 15:55.36 | kd3 | heh, they're going to try to take off in an hourish, apparently... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI4241/history/20131121/1800Z/KAAO/KIAB |
| 15:55.47 | kd3 | oh, cst, 2 hours |
| 15:56.33 | Unkle | Jebus but that's a gorram big plane. |
| 16:03.20 | Unkle | ... http://blog.marry-plan.com/2013/11/Visit-2.html |
| 16:04.12 | kd3 | wow |
| 16:04.46 | Ackis | apparently drama with twitch.tv? |
| 16:05.07 | Dagmar | Holy shit nerds |
| 16:06.33 | Dagmar | I am ashamed for their papercraft skills |
| 16:08.14 | Dagmar | I kind of want to point at the picture of the tiny battlechest _with the warped lid_ and say "WHAT KIND OF ASIAN ARE YOU?" |
| 16:08.21 | Dagmar | The rest is pretty cool |
| 16:10.11 | kd3 | if you speak airplane, the atc radio chatter from the airport they were supposed to land at is interesting (start around 17:15 in) http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kiab/KIAB-Twr-Nov-21-2013-0300Z.mp3 |
| 16:10.13 | kd3 | Shirik: ^ |
| 16:10.34 | Ackis | http://www.gns3.net/ new version is doing a kickstarter type thingy |
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| 16:17.04 | Ackis | holy fuck http://www.mykiss951.com/pages/kevincampbell.html?article=11840997 |
| 16:17.07 | Ackis | NSFL |
| 16:17.34 | Ackis | "The young couple, Justin and Brittany Alston were sentenced to 60 years in prison after it was discovered that they had starved Riley because they were too lazy to take care of him." |
| 16:19.37 | mikma_ | i fukken love holistic <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRnew_6IAkg |
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| 16:21.40 | mikma_ | ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/rarefluid/65_Komplex_-_Cyboman_2_h264.mp4 oh man <3 |
| 16:27.36 | alestane | Ackis, at least I get the impression from the article that the baby was found in time to be saved. |
| 16:27.41 | Ackis | happy birthday cogwheellll |
| 16:27.54 | Ackis | alestane: one saving grace at least... still how the hell do you do that to a baby? |
| 16:28.38 | alestane | You have very little empathy, and no fucking clue to the extent that other people have to have extra clues to make up for it. |
| 16:29.51 | Ackis | people suck |
| 16:29.52 | alestane | It also suggests that they probably received very little parenting themselves. |
| 16:30.00 | alestane | There are definitely people who suck, yes. |
| 16:30.06 | Ackis | FFS I lost sleep last night because one of my fish is sick :( |
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| 16:36.34 | Fisker | performs laser surgery on Lopeppeppy |
| 16:36.47 | Unkle | Ackis: You're empathic. You have an imagination. You see consequences of actions. You're mostly well-adjusted. Trying to understand insanity will really only make you insane. |
| 16:37.08 | Ackis | you go too far Unkle... TOO FAR |
| 16:37.59 | Unkle | No sir, I have not yet gone FAR ENOUGH! |
| 16:38.12 | jleclanche | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5282 |
| 16:38.12 | jleclanche | woah |
| 16:38.14 | jleclanche | thats huge |
| 16:39.19 | Unkle | jleclanche: And it's fantastic! That announcement is so full of win. |
| 16:41.58 | TC-Work | ^ |
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| 16:44.39 | Dagmar | "Deeply inappropriate use of the Heaviside step function" |
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| 16:55.53 | jleclanche | http://paste2.org/Xx91Dz1f |
| 16:55.54 | jleclanche | ehehe. |
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| 17:14.43 | Silvanas | is it correct, that if i want to identify a specific player, then all i need are the last 7 charecters of its guid? |
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| 17:29.42 | Shirik | blinks at Shirik |
| 17:29.46 | Shirik | ShirikPro* |
| 17:29.55 | Unkle | http://m.imgur.com/a/gC2Hp |
| 17:30.20 | amro | I guess ShirikPro is the enterprise licensed version of Shirik |
| 17:30.37 | Unkle | He's the upgrade you get after you pay the shareware fee |
| 17:30.48 | Shirik | well it's my MBP |
| 17:30.49 | Shirik | but |
| 17:30.52 | Shirik | how did it log on |
| 17:30.55 | Shirik | it's supposed to be asleep |
| 17:31.22 | Neffi | the NSA has control of your mbp, Shirik |
| 17:31.41 | Shirik | lies |
| 17:31.42 | Shirik | it's a mac |
| 17:31.48 | Shirik | it has no security vulnerabilities |
| 17:32.02 | Neffi | Sorry. The only responsible thing to do is destroy it. |
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| 17:34.02 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:34.04 | Fisker | you're not pro |
| 17:34.19 | ShirikPro | apparently https://github.com/psychs/limechat/issues/120 |
| 17:36.41 | Torhal | http://middle-earth.thehobbit.com/ |
| 17:37.35 | Fisker | Can I C&D you Torhal? |
| 17:37.41 | Unkle | Heh... it's like Christmas up in here. I have new equipment arriving every other day until the end of the month. |
| 17:37.42 | Torhal | Shirik: http://www.codeux.com/textual/ |
| 17:37.59 | Torhal | wonders what Fisker is on about now. |
| 17:38.28 | Fisker | cease and desist |
| 17:38.55 | Torhal | Again: What are you on about now? |
| 17:39.27 | Fisker | nothin' |
| 17:40.24 | ShirikPro | Torhal: costs money :( |
| 17:40.52 | ShirikPro | I should just make my own IRC client |
| 17:41.04 | ShirikPro | it would be a good introduction |
| 17:41.09 | Torhal | ShirikPro: It's $5 and definitely worth it. |
| 17:41.13 | Unkle | Shirik: Colloquy has a free Mac OSX IRC client. |
| 17:41.31 | Torhal | Shirik: It's also free - they provide source code. |
| 17:41.52 | Torhal | ShirikPro: https://github.com/Codeux/Textual/ |
| 17:41.58 | Torhal | Shirik: ^ |
| 17:42.05 | Unkle | http://colloquy.info/ (just fyi) |
| 17:42.12 | Torhal | Textual > all |
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| 17:42.56 | mikma_ | Irssi 0.8.15 (20100403) - http://irssi.org/ <3 |
| 17:43.10 | mikma_ | and shut up, haste |
| 17:43.31 | Fisker | Quassel rules |
| 17:43.37 | rid_ | mikma_: outdated version |
| 17:43.43 | rid_ | nope Fisker |
| 17:43.59 | mikma_ | rid_: nope. it's the latest stable |
| 17:44.00 | Torhal | Fisker: Textual is much better, but Quassel is the best Windows IRC client I've found. |
| 17:44.14 | Torhal | hashtags rid_ into the Nether. |
| 17:44.20 | Fisker | yes rid_ |
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| 17:44.31 | rid_ | nope Torhal |
| 17:44.35 | Shirik2 | Telnet is obviously the best client |
| 17:44.39 | rid_ | yes |
| 17:44.44 | rid_ | most comfortable at least |
| 17:44.53 | rid_ | d:] |
| 17:45.16 | amro | I hate quassel and wish I didn't have to use it |
| 17:46.08 | mikma_ | i hate shirik2 and i with he'd go aw... oh, :) |
| 17:46.19 | mikma_ | wish* |
| 17:46.28 | rid_ | :< |
| 17:46.33 | Torhal | I hate all the hate in this channel. |
| 17:46.42 | mikma_ | torhals gonna torhal |
| 17:46.49 | rid_ | Torhal's mikma_ |
| 17:46.57 | mikma_ | no, not the torhal! |
| 17:46.58 | rid_ | take this! |
| 17:47.05 | mikma_ | oooooof |
| 17:47.37 | Torhal | rid_ the world of Stanzilla. |
| 17:47.39 | Lopeppeppy | smothers Torhal with lurve. And Hershey Kisses. |
| 17:48.08 | Torhal | You sure that was me, Lopeppeppy? Your eyes... |
| 17:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | The hair gives it away. |
| 17:48.47 | Torhal | Oh, fair point. |
| 17:49.05 | Fisker | Maybe you were hugging gandalf Lopeppeppy |
| 17:49.23 | Lopeppeppy | No pointy hat. |
| 17:49.44 | Fisker | He doesn't always have a hat on |
| 17:49.48 | Unkle | No staff, and no hobbits either. |
| 17:50.00 | Torhal | I am not Rincewind. |
| 17:50.09 | ShirikPro | hershey kisses are better than love |
| 17:50.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, a staff you say? |
| 17:50.30 | Fisker | Torhal has no staff? |
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| 17:50.51 | Torhal | I fired them days ago, Fisker. Do keep up. |
| 17:51.06 | Fisker | Not that kind of staff |
| 17:51.19 | Lopeppeppy | So good to get hard help these days. |
| 17:51.35 | Torhal | sees what she did there. |
| 17:52.17 | Fisker | dirty |
| 17:53.41 | Fisker | I wish I understood these game of thrones references |
| 17:54.15 | ShirikPro | is it a crime that I have not yet watched game of thrones? |
| 17:54.22 | Fisker | Nope |
| 17:54.30 | Fisker | You are kind of awesome ShirikPro |
| 17:54.33 | Fisker | despite your macbook pro |
| 17:54.43 | ShirikPro | I think you misspelled "because of" |
| 17:54.49 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:55.09 | Unkle | Read it instead. "A Song of Ice and Fire" is an engaging, compelling read. |
| 17:55.11 | Torhal | performs Command-Q on Fisker. |
| 17:55.23 | Fisker | Don't understand mac references either :'( |
| 17:55.32 | Torhal | Infidel! |
| 17:56.14 | Torhal | ShirikPro: Command-Space. Type a program name. Or do math. |
| 17:56.25 | ShirikPro | what? |
| 17:56.37 | Fisker | why command-space Torhal ? |
| 17:56.38 | Torhal | ShirikPro: You're new to OSX, so I was giving a tip. |
| 17:56.39 | zenzelezz | oh yeah, the "I don't know what I want to be"-dialog |
| 17:56.43 | ShirikPro | oh |
| 17:56.47 | Fisker | what does it do Torhal? |
| 17:56.48 | ShirikPro | I have discovered command space already :) |
| 17:56.52 | Torhal | Spotlight. |
| 17:57.00 | Fisker | what does it do Torhal? |
| 17:57.11 | Torhal | Stuff. And things. |
| 17:57.16 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:57.16 | ShirikPro | it's like the "computer" command in Star Trek |
| 17:57.24 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:57.36 | ShirikPro | they totally should add siri to OS X |
| 17:57.42 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:58.27 | Shirik | anyway |
| 17:58.31 | Shirik | tomorrow is going to be the real test |
| 17:58.40 | Shirik | it comes with me on a flight |
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| 17:58.52 | Shirik | no fu stop coming in here while you're asleep |
| 17:58.53 | Silvanas | done some test and 7 charecter guilds seems tobe just perfect ofcourse i got to prefix it with the proper amount of 0'and baatle group id |
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| 17:59.45 | Fisker | haha Shirik |
| 17:59.47 | Fisker | get real |
| 17:59.48 | Fisker | you flying? |
| 18:00.32 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik never flies! |
| 18:00.34 | Torhal | Fisker: The real reason he got a MacBook Pro is to see how fast it could flap. |
| 18:00.50 | Fisker | ah |
| 18:00.58 | Fisker | throwing it out of a plane |
| 18:01.00 | Fisker | I like that plan |
| 18:01.26 | Fisker | did you ever find your rum Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | I did, Fisker, it's in the cat supplies cupboard. |
| 18:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | Now I need to find the coke. |
| 18:02.04 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Check the wolves. |
| 18:02.06 | Fisker | I once got coke |
| 18:02.14 | Fisker | well almost |
| 18:02.18 | Fisker | Then the police came |
| 18:02.48 | Torhal | You chouldn't have been watching cop porn. |
| 18:02.51 | Torhal | shouldn't* |
| 18:03.00 | Fisker | I get that too |
| 18:03.12 | Fisker | What I meant is that the police arrived |
| 18:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | No really officer, my eyes are like this because I willingly took belladonna, not because of any illegal drug. |
| 18:03.46 | Fisker | I don't know what that is |
| 18:03.54 | Neffi | it's a poison, no? |
| 18:03.55 | Torhal | Poisonous plant. |
| 18:04.04 | Neffi | nightshade |
| 18:04.06 | Fisker | ooooooh |
| 18:04.17 | haste | mikma_: sad! |
| 18:04.21 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:05.04 | Neffi | Wikipedia says it causes hallucinations |
| 18:05.11 | Lopeppeppy | Medieval ladies used it to make their eyes "sparkle" by dilating their pupils. No idea what doctors actually use today. |
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| 18:05.35 | Neffi | And is apparently used by people who are really desperate to get high, because there's a fine line between tripping out and toxic |
| 18:06.32 | Fisker | How would you know what medieval ladies used to do Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:06.45 | Silvanas | are wow lua numbers 32 bit? |
| 18:06.50 | Neffi | Lopeppeppy is a vampire! |
| 18:07.01 | Neffi | Silvanas: On the 32-bit client they are |
| 18:07.16 | Neffi | I don't know if they are on the 64-bit client. They're probably 64-bit. |
| 18:08.13 | Silvanas | .. i run 64 bit but i still seem to loose precisiom when i convert a UnitGUID() tonumber(,16) |
| 18:08.14 | nevcairiel | wat |
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| 18:08.22 | nevcairiel | wow lua numbers are always double precision floating points |
| 18:08.36 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a succubus, Neffi. And a medievalist by hobby. :) |
| 18:08.39 | Neffi | 64-bit doesn't get extra precision? =( |
| 18:08.48 | nevcairiel | double is already 64-bit |
| 18:09.21 | Neffi | Lopeppeppy: Mostly the first part, yes? |
| 18:09.36 | Silvanas | then.. why does tonumber(UnitGUID("player")) loose pricision |
| 18:09.47 | nevcairiel | because a 64-bit double cannot store a 64-bit integer |
| 18:10.11 | nevcairiel | only what, 54 bits was it |
| 18:10.13 | nevcairiel | i forgot |
| 18:10.13 | Silvanas | ah good one :D, it needs rooms for the decimal part :D |
| 18:10.27 | nevcairiel | 52 bit |
| 18:10.29 | Neffi | Eh, not exactly how floats work, but close enough |
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| 18:10.54 | Silvanas | yeh iv read about float's before but i never understood it :D |
| 18:11.08 | nevcairiel | you can store 52 bit of decimal precision, anything more and you run out of bits |
| 18:11.11 | Neffi | The point floats :p |
| 18:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | I have to have a job, Neffi, however else would I survive? Unkle is too far away to be my pimp, and alestane has declined the opportunity to be my fence for stolen goods. |
| 18:11.32 | Neffi | hahaha |
| 18:12.06 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt want to fence your stolen office supplies either |
| 18:12.28 | Fisker | I would |
| 18:12.34 | Fisker | skidmore is a fucking hilarious name |
| 18:12.36 | Neffi | authentic stapler, pristine condition. totally legit. $5 |
| 18:12.47 | Fisker | novelty stolen goods |
| 18:13.23 | Neffi | It goes deeper. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/ |
| 18:13.26 | Neffi | wtf LG |
| 18:13.43 | Fisker | I go deeper |
| 18:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | I only steal the highest quality used socks and buckets of whey protein. |
| 18:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | From our campus safety reports last week, "Reporting person observed a five-pound bucket of whey protein filled with rocks and numerous BB shot holes." |
| 18:14.33 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:14.49 | Fisker | skidmore branding atleast Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:18.09 | Lopeppeppy | Reporting person did not elaborate, Fisker. I don't even know what frikkin' whey protein is, how does one recognize it in a bucket with a bunch of rocks mixed in? And bullet holes? |
| 18:18.20 | Fisker | I don't think protein is branded |
| 18:18.23 | Fisker | I meant the socks |
| 18:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | I own Skidmore socks! For when my feet get cold. And if you believe that I'll sell you a bridge. |
| 18:20.54 | Fisker | to get cozy under? |
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| 18:21.46 | Neffi | whey protein looks suspiciously like coke |
| 18:21.52 | Neffi | it's milk protein |
| 18:22.47 | Fisker | why not call it milk protein then? |
| 18:22.57 | Ackis | Fisker: do you know if I can set up wifi tethering on my droid phone to use WEP and not WPA? |
| 18:23.40 | Fisker | why would you do that Ackis ? |
| 18:23.52 | Dagmar | Ugh. It's possible with some other firmware, but I can't imagine why you'd want to do that |
| 18:23.58 | Ackis | pokemon heartgold/pearl don't have support for wpa |
| 18:24.04 | Dagmar | Ouch |
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| 18:24.36 | Fisker | then make it open Ackis |
| 18:24.39 | Dagmar | Still, it shoudln't be a problem for 1:1 tethering |
| 18:25.04 | Dagmar | I don't think anyone's likely to attempt to steal your pokemon because they were sent on an unencrypted wireless link. |
| 18:25.11 | Fisker | I would |
| 18:25.16 | Fisker | I have a sniffer on the standby |
| 18:25.24 | Ackis | pokemons r serious buzniss |
| 18:25.33 | Fisker | stealing pokemon from heartgold has been one of my lifelong goals |
| 18:25.37 | Dagmar | Hell, there's websites you can just *make* Pokemon for that version on now |
| 18:26.00 | Dagmar | Change DNS settings, set a friend code, recieve legendaries |
| 18:26.32 | Ackis | why do you think I'm doing this? :P |
| 18:26.33 | Ackis | :D |
| 18:26.41 | Dagmar | Ahahaa |
| 18:26.41 | Ackis | I want a surfing charizard |
| 18:27.52 | Dagmar | I'm still trying to decide if I want to start Y over so I can not be an idiot this time and actually capture Snorlax |
| 18:28.25 | Ackis | want me to send you one? |
| 18:28.28 | Dagmar | It was late, I was tired, saw my capture 'mon take a big hit and freaked out. Switched to my primary who was 20 levels higher and crushed him. |
| 18:28.52 | Dagmar | I don't play Y in bed late at night anymore |
| 18:29.35 | Dagmar | Ackis: Well, I may do the demo thing with the Pokemon Hoarding app, punt all my pokemon into it, and then start over |
| 18:29.56 | Dagmar | This time, the ex-gf will be told "No, you can't borrow the card" |
| 18:30.30 | Ackis | http://bit.ly/wowuipokemon |
| 18:30.35 | Dagmar | "Why? Because I intend to actually transfer these Pokemon into the next version." |
| 18:31.10 | Dagmar | She borrowed my Pearl... wiped them. |
| 18:31.18 | Dagmar | Borrowed my Black, wiped those too. |
| 18:31.32 | Dagmar | I wouldn't care so much if she'd actually _finish_ the damn things |
| 18:31.34 | Ackis | ouch |
| 18:32.17 | Silvanas | well i got my code to work to send a player guild over the addon channel using only 4/255 charecters |
| 18:35.42 | Silvanas | proud of myzelf |
| 18:35.59 | Silvanas | now the hard part, can i get a guid of a guild member? |
| 18:36.22 | Fisker | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:36.40 | Fisker | invalid cell content Ackis |
| 18:37.03 | Fisker | haha pompy is behind |
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| 18:44.48 | foxlit | safari's handling of incognito mode is annoying :( |
| 18:45.39 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 18:45.57 | foxlit | It seems to be global per browser session rather than per window |
| 18:46.20 | foxlit | I keep hitting Chrome's ⌘⇧N shortcut, but that ends up creating a new bookmark folder. |
| 18:46.41 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 18:46.43 | foxlit | (because obviously you need a keyboard binding to create a new empty bookmark folder while not interacting with bookmarks!) |
| 18:48.21 | Fisker | Use chrome foxlit |
| 18:48.23 | Fisker | like a man |
| 18:56.54 | Fisker | cogwheel hates us Ackis |
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| 19:01.11 | Fisker | Do you know why cogwheel hates us ShirikPro ? |
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| 19:03.26 | Ackis | Dagmar: add your friend code to that list btw :P also the pokeedit thing doesn't work well when you're doing it from 4 different IP addresses |
| 19:04.57 | Fisker | Can I add my friend code Ackis ? |
| 19:05.26 | Ackis | you don't have a freind code |
| 19:06.30 | Fisker | enemy code? |
| 19:06.33 | Fisker | frienemy code? |
| 19:07.30 | Fisker | :'( |
| 19:10.02 | jleclanche | teamspeak3 mutes mvp when i open it on pulse |
| 19:10.04 | Dagmar | Holy shit that LG mess is about to get so much worse |
| 19:10.04 | jleclanche | annoying as fuck. |
| 19:10.11 | jleclanche | Dagmar: what lg mess? |
| 19:10.29 | Dagmar | jleclance: You don't follow news.ycombinator.com I take it |
| 19:10.43 | Ressy | It went from a blog post yesterday, to ars & techdirt, to mainstream this morning |
| 19:10.57 | Dagmar | jleclanche: Someone noticed their new LG smart TV was phoning home and doing data collection, even when the feature was supposed to be disabled in the menu |
| 19:11.17 | Ressy | they refused to answer the person who found out about it.. |
| 19:11.21 | Dagmar | A little more digging, and today they post evidence the fucking thing is actually sniffing the local ethernet for filenames as well. |
| 19:11.25 | Ressy | about why it was doing it |
| 19:11.32 | Dagmar | That will get them into DEEP SHIT |
| 19:11.38 | nevcairiel | as if |
| 19:11.56 | nevcairiel | nothing will happen, and you know it |
| 19:12.09 | Dagmar | ...and I'm thinking there's just enough detail in those screenshots for me to start flooding their data collection channel with nonsense. |
| 19:12.11 | Ressy | Once mainstream got into reporting on it, now LG is responding that its a 'bug' and they'll disable the eternet snooping altogether via firmware update, and it'll also fix the flag so when its off, its off |
| 19:12.24 | Dagmar | That won't fly with the DoJ. |
| 19:12.55 | Dagmar | You can't just *accidentally* sniff filenames out of traffic not meant for you |
| 19:13.04 | Dagmar | ...and this isn't a matter of it being broadcast in the air. |
| 19:13.16 | nevcairiel | you cant really sniff ethernet traffic anyway |
| 19:13.21 | nevcairiel | noone uses hubs anymore |
| 19:13.31 | Ressy | grabs file names off USBs connected to the tv |
| 19:13.51 | Ressy | transmits all this info in plaintext to LG servers |
| 19:14.49 | Dagmar | I'll be going over these screenshots carefully tonight |
| 19:15.21 | Dagmar | Imma fill their servers with crap if this looks like they were actively scanning home networks for media files inappropriately |
| 19:15.54 | Dagmar | Step one: Write meany-meany code. Step two: Post to Reddit. Step Three: ???. Step Four: lulz |
| 19:15.57 | nevcairiel | two wrongs dont make a right, but idiot hackers dont get that |
| 19:16.28 | Dagmar | I don't really see polluting their data theft mechanism as a "wrong" |
| 19:16.54 | Dagmar | Any attempt to spew _massive_ amounts of data would be something they could filter out |
| 19:19.12 | Dagmar | The first thing LG told the guy was that he should contact the store that sold him the TV and complain to them. |
| 19:19.38 | Fisker | why do you hate me Ackis ? |
| 19:20.03 | nevcairiel | you know how such things work, the first guy was probably some poor low level support drone that had no idea what to do |
| 19:22.10 | Dagmar | It sucks that their inattention to proper business process is going to hurt them, then now doesn't it? |
| 19:23.57 | nevcairiel | they should just blame the NSA, i'm sure most would dismiss LGs fault then :p |
| 19:25.06 | Ressy | lawlz. |
| 19:25.23 | Ressy | Someone filed a PIPEDA complaint against LG for this |
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| 19:27.19 | Ackis | Ressy: good |
| 19:28.13 | Ressy | SOmeone else looked at this, and it is transmitting shared folder file names as well as file names on connected usbs |
| 19:28.22 | Ressy | it caches the names |
| 19:28.31 | Ressy | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/ |
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| 19:39.19 | jleclanche | btc at $730 |
| 19:39.27 | jleclanche | this seems like a sensible time to buy 100 of em. |
| 19:41.01 | Unkle | Buy High and Wait for the Crash? :P |
| 19:41.25 | jleclanche | yeah. |
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| 19:44.24 | haste | you should have bought when it was at 900 then jleclanche |
| 19:45.23 | jleclanche | damn. |
| 19:52.14 | Fisker | :'( |
| 19:52.16 | Fisker | haste |
| 19:52.21 | Fisker | Ackis doesn't want to be friends with me |
| 19:52.48 | haste | Fisker: break his phone |
| 19:52.56 | Fisker | nah |
| 19:53.03 | Fisker | I'll break his pokemon collection |
| 19:53.09 | Fisker | That'll make him be stuck with me forever |
| 19:53.13 | Fisker | He'll have to love me |
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| 20:13.53 | Silvanas | so there is no way to get a guid of a guild member right? |
| 20:16.28 | nevcairiel | does anyone know if there are any wow graphics cvars for the sky box? I've been seeing such an ugly slow repaint thing on it for a while, and i cant help but wonder if i always saw this, since i never noticed before |
| 20:18.08 | Ressy | I think there's skylod |
| 20:19.11 | Ressy | skycloudlod & skysunglare |
| 20:19.15 | nevcairiel | SkyCloudLOD is on max for me already |
| 20:20.55 | Semlar | Silvanas: get a guild of a guild member? |
| 20:21.54 | Semlar | oh guid |
| 20:22.05 | Semlar | i guess that makes more sense |
| 20:22.15 | Neffi | semlar |
| 20:22.20 | Semlar | neffi |
| 20:22.37 | Neffi | semlar |
| 20:22.55 | Semlar | no |
| 20:23.03 | Neffi | k |
| 20:24.10 | nevcairiel | oh boy, wtf is wrong with wowpedia today. I had a tab open for a while, and it appears it has redirect to itself quite a lot of times, so now my history is crazy and i cannot press the back button anymore to go back to the overview page |
| 20:24.14 | nevcairiel | its really not making me like it |
| 20:24.51 | Semlar | reminds me of the ol' ajax |
| 20:25.48 | nevcairiel | looking at it now, i can constantly see chromes little wheel spinning |
| 20:25.57 | nevcairiel | probably loading new ads |
| 20:26.00 | nevcairiel | screw this |
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| 20:46.53 | Unkle | Ask not for whom the face palms, it palms for thee - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10638243905 |
| 20:47.46 | Neffi | oj jeez |
| 20:47.52 | Semlar | #showtooltip Mutilate |
| 20:47.56 | Neffi | wtf is wrong with people |
| 20:48.09 | Semlar | neffiiiii |
| 20:48.14 | Neffi | semlaaaaar |
| 20:48.39 | Semlar | where did they even get this |
| 20:48.58 | Neffi | from you |
| 20:49.12 | Semlar | i am not communicable! |
| 20:49.22 | Neffi | yes you are |
| 20:49.26 | Semlar | what on earth does /castsequence reset=0.3 0,0,0,Mutilate do |
| 20:49.36 | Semlar | nothing? |
| 20:49.58 | Unkle | Generates a lot of errors that the server discards |
| 20:51.05 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you could pull this off with an addon |
| 20:53.23 | Semlar | your dps would suck though |
| 20:53.53 | Semlar | with all the procs and things they added they made it difficult to play with one button |
| 20:57.49 | zenzelezz | probably posted already, but anyway: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/21/travel/kansas-cargo-plane-wrong-airport/ |
| 21:01.04 | foxlit | nevcairiel: logging in would fix it. You're bound to have curse premium anyway. |
| 21:02.29 | nevcairiel | oh right, its all curse |
| 21:02.43 | foxlit | *shake fist* |
| 21:08.08 | Ackis | my fish died :( |
| 21:08.58 | foxlit | I guess that prevents you from cooking it? |
| 21:09.30 | Semlar | shouldn't think so |
| 21:11.12 | foxlit | grrr, even the minimized map is a UIPanel that takes over everything. whyyyyyy. |
| 21:11.39 | Semlar | because it must |
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| 21:15.06 | foxlit | also annoying safarism: typing wowpedia.org/Pet tamer in the URL bar gets you a google search |
| 21:15.54 | foxlit | [fixed by prefixing http://, but if you're editing a URL already shown in the bar, it's not going to do that for you.] |
| 21:16.29 | nevcairiel | i hate it when browsers arent smart like that |
| 21:17.37 | nevcairiel | with all the improvements MS did to IE for example, its still not smart about its input bar, for example it still absolutely requires you to put http:// in front if you use a non-standard port, instead of simply trying http like any other browser would <.< |
| 21:21.12 | bleeter | soon https://twitter.com/JohnBirmingham/status/403623452457713664 |
| 21:21.48 | Ermad | dont really like the unified address bars for those reasons. tend to create more problems than they solve |
| 21:22.03 | foxlit | chrome's seems to work right. |
| 21:22.05 | nevcairiel | chromes bar works just fine |
| 21:22.07 | Ermad | nothing comes close to the quality of the Reader feature in Safari, so I continue to use it anyway |
| 21:22.49 | Ermad | I always have issue in chrome in that I have custom hostnames for computers on my local network, that have no TLD. they always require putting http(s) before it |
| 21:22.51 | foxlit | I also miss the Network view of the web inspector |
| 21:23.23 | nevcairiel | Ermad: i can put simple windows host names in chrome, i do it all the time to access some local things |
| 21:24.07 | Unkle | Chorme lets me use UNC paths to computers on my local network |
| 21:24.23 | Unkle | IE does to. I haven't actually tried safari |
| 21:25.17 | bleeter | I keep forgetting Safari even exists >< |
| 21:25.30 | Primer | yeah, that's how I used to install back orifice onto co-worker's computers back in the day |
| 21:25.32 | Unkle | Well, I have an ipad... so ... |
| 21:25.36 | foxlit | the concept of sharing tabs across the devices is somewhat neat. |
| 21:25.41 | foxlit | and bookmarks. |
| 21:26.31 | nevcairiel | people can be paranoid all they want, but it is quite nice for my phone to know what i googled on my desktop earlier :d |
| 21:27.17 | Ermad | nevcairiel: never works for me. hostnames are actually dns entries from the dnsmasq on my router, might be why |
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| 21:28.56 | Unkle | Wow. "@martyn_williams: Exact award was $290,456,793 to Apple from Samsung. Lawyers now reviewing. Story to follow. #icourt" That's gotta sting |
| 21:29.45 | ShirikPro | o.o |
| 21:32.06 | Unkle | @martyn_williams: If there are no challenges or changes to today's ruling, Samsung currently owes around $900 million to Apple #icourt |
| 21:32.21 | Unkle | That's a lot of scratch |
| 21:33.16 | bleeter | lol @ bad font https://twitter.com/ScottFilmCritic/status/403531586089783296 |
| 21:34.04 | bleeter | what I wanna know is, why people get so wound up over amounts corps 'owe' Apple over 'patent violations' but not quite as much the other way |
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| 21:37.51 | Unkle | I think it's because this is the big kahuna story in the smartphone wars right now. |
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| 21:43.24 | Unkle | http://allthingsd.com/20131120/how-somebody-forced-the-worlds-internet-traffic-through-belarus-and-iceland/ |
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| 21:48.51 | kd3|hate`net | well that took entirely longer than I had expected... I left something at my hotel at blizzcon and they shipped it to me... got here today |
| 21:49.37 | Mr_Rabies | argh i wish i could accelerate discovery on my scribe :( |
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| 22:00.01 | nevcairiel | scribe discovery makes me mad |
| 22:00.53 | foxlit | maybe they should make it a spirit of harmony sink |
| 22:01.25 | Aeger73 | its anoying for me too, I dont play my scribe much and having to get world drops is anoying |
| 22:02.01 | foxlit | are pet battle dailies gated by the achievement or by the quest? |
| 22:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | they should make the commissioned painting quest act as a discovery one, though it's far too late for that now |
| 22:02.09 | Mr_Rabies | since no one does the commissioned painting daily anymore |
| 22:02.14 | foxlit | i.e. if I completed the Alliance Pandaria tamer quest, do horde characters unlock dailies? |
| 22:02.16 | Mr_Rabies | and scrolls of wisdom are all but worthless |
| 22:02.25 | Maldivia | +1 Google, for the Doctor Who doodle! |
| 22:02.31 | kd3 | I think by achievement |
| 22:03.13 | Aeger73 | he I wasnt paying attention and just making scrolls everyday. I have 96 of the damn things |
| 22:03.45 | Mr_Rabies | jewelcrafting discovery sucks too |
| 22:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they could all be like alchemy :( |
| 22:04.21 | nevcairiel | alchemy was quite relaxing |
| 22:04.25 | nevcairiel | just craft stuff and you get it |
| 22:04.37 | Aeger73 | Im still missing 2 Jewlery metas still, I completed every zone quest in Panderia wth him |
| 22:04.49 | fewyn | http://teamcoco.com/video/world-of-warcraft-blizzcon-remote this is hillarious |
| 22:05.39 | Aeger73 | I did Kilaxxi to exalted with him as well, only got 1 of 3 I was missing at the time |
| 22:05.48 | Aeger73 | thos damn things barley drop |
| 22:06.02 | Unkle | Run more LFD |
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| 22:31.00 | foxlit | lua> xpcall(function() error("Hai!") end, function() error("Whee!") end) print("Okay.") |
| 22:31.01 | lua_bot | foxlit: Okay. |
| 22:34.44 | pompy | woah what did facebook do to the news feed!? lol\ |
| 22:34.47 | pompy | new look |
| 22:35.55 | pompy | Fisker: what do you mean im behind? |
| 22:37.06 | Stanzilla | pompy: screenshot? |
| 22:37.14 | Stanzilla | I only got the new chat style today |
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| 22:39.15 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.15 | pompy | Stanzilla: ehh idk lol.. and in other news www.pcworld.com/article/2066080/facebook-goes-open-source-with-its-workhorse-embedded-data-store.html |
| 22:41.52 | Stanzilla | pompy: I want a screenshot of your news feed if it looks different :D |
| 22:42.41 | pompy | Stanzilla: hmm they may have reverted it? its back to looking the other way after a refresh |
| 22:42.52 | Stanzilla | ok |
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| 22:43.31 | Unkle | foxlit: example code for teaching? |
| 22:43.41 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/mmochampion/posts/701935559817343 getting mixed comments. |
| 22:43.58 | foxlit | Unkle: no, just a random event dispatch. |
| 22:58.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2013/nov/20/world-first-selfie-revolution-photography-portraits-art who gives a fuck? |
| 22:59.07 | karl_w_w | jesus christ |
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| 23:18.51 | foxlit | so, um, why does the client sometimes lose track of all quest completion and achievement progress? |
| 23:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | probably tainting issues, my dungeon journal randomly stops being interactive from time to time, too |
| 23:20.57 | Mr_Rabies | usually both are broken at the same time on my end |
| 23:21.39 | foxlit | this is the API returning blatantly wrong values. |
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| 23:40.15 | Semlar-Laptop | what are you using to track quest progress |
| 23:40.36 | foxlit | IsQuestFlaggedCompleted |
| 23:41.19 | Semlar-Laptop | i don't suppose you're checking against daily quests or something |
| 23:41.58 | foxlit | no. |
| 23:42.09 | Semlar-Laptop | you could try checking the giant table of completed quests and see if it matches |
| 23:42.43 | foxlit | it returns an empty table. |
| 23:43.47 | Semlar-Laptop | might have to do with when you're calling it |
| 23:43.50 | Unkle | From curiosity, does where you execute the query change the results? IE X-Realm, in an instance, etc. ? |
| 23:44.17 | foxlit | Pandaria faction capitals. |
| 23:44.31 | Unkle | Oh well, so much for that theory. |
| 23:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, using grail/loremaster it seems to lose my quest progress client-side from time to time |
| 23:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | and yells at me when it happens |
| 23:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | HEY YOU HAVE 0 QUESTS COMPLETE |
| 23:47.18 | Neffi | Ps4 wins http://imgur.com/gallery/cp3NH |
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| 23:49.37 | Semlar-Laptop | you might try building the tooltip for the quest, maybe it'll update the completion datas |
| 23:50.18 | Semlar-Laptop | just SetHyperlink('quest:'..questid) or so |
| 23:51.23 | foxlit | Semlar: that does not cause any return values to change. |
| 23:51.32 | Semlar-Laptop | oh well |
| 23:52.55 | Semlar-Laptop | i wonder what determines whether that information is available |
| 23:53.14 | foxlit | it's supposed to always be available. |
| 23:55.12 | Semlar-Laptop | well there used to be a QueryQuestsCompleted function but i thought they removed that |
| 23:55.38 | Semlar-Laptop | maybe they broke it |
| 23:56.55 | foxlit | well, something is quite obviously broken :) |
| 23:59.11 | Semlar-Laptop | i'll see if it returns anything for me later |
| 23:59.40 | foxlit | I'm not sure what that'll be useful for. |
