| 00:02.36 | Stanzilla | I ask kd3 then |
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| 00:21.07 | Stanzilla | Alram: no success |
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| 00:37.22 | kd3 | mm, food |
| 00:40.40 | Neffi_ | food is always good |
| 00:40.45 | Neffi_ | except when it's not, then it's bad |
| 00:40.58 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.11 | kd3 | Stanzilla ^ |
| 00:41.35 | Stanzilla | thanks! |
| 00:41.40 | kd3 | yay for brute force |
| 00:42.32 | Stanzilla | so who in here uses firefox? |
| 00:42.46 | Primer | MEEEEEEEE |
| 00:42.57 | Primer | I currently working on a firefox addon |
| 00:43.04 | Primer | which is why I'm "using" firefox :) |
| 00:43.07 | Stanzilla | which channel? |
| 00:43.20 | Primer | You lost me |
| 00:43.26 | Tuller | i use beta/release at work for development purposes |
| 00:43.32 | kd3 | (assume the answer is 'release') |
| 00:44.00 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 00:44.13 | Stanzilla | was trying to find someone on linux with nightly so I can see how the new UI looks there |
| 00:44.49 | Stanzilla | already seen some cool results like win classic http://i.imgur.com/PvTBie4.jpg |
| 00:44.57 | Stanzilla | and win xp https://www.evernote.com/shard/s251/sh/37fd60de-f827-446e-ac49-8d2d2dfda72f/fdb394b9d50288102ea707b0150ff409 |
| 00:47.01 | TC-Work | That looks a lot like chrome. Even down to the horizontal lines for the menu. |
| 00:47.26 | Tuller | that ui element has become more standard across many things, though |
| 00:47.49 | Tuller | ex, bootstrap |
| 00:48.46 | Stanzilla | yeah the hamburger menu |
| 00:50.38 | Neffi_ | bow that's an ugly UI |
| 00:51.30 | Neffi_ | They could improve it a lot by thinning it out. Too much "bezel". |
| 00:51.31 | Stanzilla | it looks really really good on OS X |
| 00:51.38 | Stanzilla | okay ish on Win 8 |
| 00:51.49 | Stanzilla | other stuff is meh |
| 00:51.49 | Neffi_ | Rounded edges can look good, but I think they botched them (tabs) |
| 00:53.03 | Stanzilla | https://hostr.co/file/nhFARwyZ8roT/Screen-Shot-2013-11-18-at-20.46.09.png |
| 00:53.05 | Stanzilla | os x ^ |
| 00:53.15 | Neffi_ | I think having a thinner bar would give a surprisingly strong sense of the UI being "sleeker". People are easily fooled one way or the other by this shit |
| 00:53.27 | Neffi_ | Having too much meat on elements like this can give some impression of a bloated design |
| 00:53.53 | TC-Work | I agree with Neffi_, the tabs could be slimmer from top to bottom |
| 00:53.53 | Neffi_ | looks much better on OS X |
| 00:54.01 | Neffi_ | the rounded theme is kept better |
| 00:54.03 | Stanzilla | I think it looks awesome there, just needs a small bottom border there |
| 00:54.13 | Stanzilla | below the adress bar |
| 00:54.16 | Stanzilla | +d |
| 00:54.53 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/n9cDkij.png < win8 |
| 00:55.40 | Neffi_ | too much dead space |
| 00:56.08 | Stanzilla | really? I think it's fine in that regard |
| 00:56.25 | Neffi_ | it's better than XP or classic, but I'd still trim it a little bit |
| 00:56.27 | Neffi_ | same with OS X |
| 00:56.28 | Tuller | its not too far off of chrome |
| 00:56.39 | Neffi_ | It could be improved a lot by shaving off pixels here and there |
| 00:56.50 | Neffi_ | anyway, I gotta run out |
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| 01:11.10 | Neffi_ | How sought after are UX/UI designers? |
| 01:11.30 | Neffi_ | That's one of the things I love doing as a coder |
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| 01:27.06 | Amarande | *blink* |
| 01:27.17 | Amarande | I thought I was level 71, why is it saying I'm level 69 ... |
| 01:28.49 | Mr_Rabies | where are you for it to say that? |
| 01:29.30 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: just got LOTRO reinstalled, was pretty sure I was level 71 when I left off |
| 01:29.41 | Amarande | either I've shed two levels somehow, or my memory has failed |
| 01:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | oh, lol |
| 01:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | is there exp loss on death? |
| 01:29.54 | Amarande | no |
| 01:30.04 | Amarande | actually LOTRO even lightened their death penalty recently, from what I'm reading |
| 01:30.29 | Amarande | now apparently the only penalties for dying at all are the repair bill and having to walk back from the respawn point |
| 01:30.43 | Mr_Rabies | what were they before? |
| 01:30.48 | Amarande | the same, plus some Dread |
| 01:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | what's Dread? :o |
| 01:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | too much and you spend some time in the isocubes? |
| 01:31.20 | Mr_Rabies | oh, sorry, that's Dredd |
| 01:31.57 | Amarande | Dread is a LOTRO specific mechanic. It buffs or debuffs stats according to your total value |
| 01:32.32 | Amarande | It's a sliding scale from +15 Hope (which basically means "the gods personally embrace you in their wing") to -15 Dread (which basically means Justin Bieber is in your party) |
| 01:33.29 | Amarande | Hope gives a small bonus to HP and damage dealt, up to 5% on each at 5 or more hope, Dread steadily reduces your HP, damage dealt, and eventually skill levels, and increases your damage taken as it increases |
| 01:33.30 | Mr_Rabies | i like my idea more, they should move to that |
| 01:33.55 | Mr_Rabies | +15 Dredd and you hear I AM THE LAW followed by months of real time spent in the isocubes |
| 01:34.22 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:34.36 | Amarande | +15 Dread and you have like single or double digit HP and take 200% damage from everything, or something like that |
| 01:34.48 | Amarande | not to mention cowering |
| 01:35.04 | Amarande | at five or more Dread, you randomly cower, which basically means your actions are subject to being randomly interrupted by a short stun |
| 01:35.12 | Mr_Rabies | how do you get dread to drop off? |
| 01:35.19 | Amarande | depends on where you get it from |
| 01:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | that seems needlessly punitive to the wrong people, if you're getting it from death |
| 01:35.35 | Amarande | there used to be three main sources of dread, now there's two |
| 01:35.38 | Mr_Rabies | then you're more likely to die next time, and get more dread |
| 01:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | in a downward spiral |
| 01:36.04 | Amarande | some locations induce dread just by being in them, and some enemies (especially dungeon and raid bosses) induce it when you're in the vicinity |
| 01:36.33 | Amarande | each of those goes away over the course of a few seconds when you leave the appropriate area |
| 01:36.53 | Amarande | you also used to get between 1 and 4 dread when you died (I was never quite sure how that was determined) |
| 01:36.59 | Mr_Rabies | so people in raids can be expected to have +15 dredd at all times? |
| 01:37.01 | Amarande | no, dread from multiple defeats doesn't stack |
| 01:37.08 | Mr_Rabies | dread |
| 01:37.09 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:37.12 | Mr_Rabies | i typed dredd again |
| 01:37.13 | Mr_Rabies | damnit |
| 01:37.24 | Amarande | boss dread and location dread stacked, and back when there was defeat dread, it stacked with that, too |
| 01:37.58 | Amarande | defeat dread was more dropped because of the fact that it basically forced people to just sit around for ten minutes every wipe |
| 01:38.22 | Amarande | (because at higher levels it was usually 4, and the bosses would always induce at least some too, and to try to fight bosses in cower is generally a bad idea) |
| 01:39.10 | Mr_Rabies | not really a mechanic that i'd like to see in a game i'd ever play |
| 01:39.43 | Amarande | to counter dread, there are hope tokens (which give a buff of up to +5 hope), and certain abilities like one of the Minstrel songs |
| 01:40.07 | Amarande | it also used to be used as a gear gating mechanism, but that was done away with long ago |
| 01:40.41 | Amarande | it used to be that gear had a stat called Radiance on it, where a certain amount of radiance (10 I think) would increase your hope (or decrease dread) by 1 |
| 01:40.48 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/FlzPp02.jpg |
| 01:41.04 | Amarande | and they'd give the later bosses at the time a MASSIVE dread aura, thus forcing you to follow "correct progression" in order to have a reasonable chance against them |
| 01:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | Neffi_: i saw so many GRRM costumes at dragoncon this year, i swear at least two of them were him |
| 01:41.52 | Neffi_ | maybe 2 of them WERE him |
| 01:41.56 | Neffi_ | the warlocks taught him tricks |
| 01:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | p. sure he's a wizard |
| 01:42.37 | Neffi_ | I've heard that GRRM does attend a lot of cons |
| 01:43.09 | Neffi_ | I get the feeling that he'd go in his normal outfit, and people would mistake him for somebody that looks like him, or somebody that's dressing like him |
| 01:43.52 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of celebrities that hit up cons for more than ego/wallet boosts cosplay, apparently |
| 01:44.02 | Mr_Rabies | like, adam savage cosplayed as adam savage at comic con, i believe |
| 01:45.39 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: actually, despite its flaws, the radiance mechanic DID serve a pretty nice purpose |
| 01:46.03 | Amarande | (and that was also when they used the dread mechanic the most) |
| 01:47.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah? |
| 01:48.09 | Amarande | Well, for one, it meant not having to make characters grow as rapidly more powerful across raids |
| 01:48.13 | Amarande | unlike *cough* WoW |
| 01:48.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's the intent of wow raids, though |
| 01:49.01 | Mr_Rabies | it's not an accident, that's a purposeful decision |
| 01:49.11 | Mr_Rabies | so that loot upgrades feel good |
| 01:49.34 | Neffi_ | Bigger numbers and more rapid inflation feels better in people's tummies |
| 01:49.36 | Amarande | Yeah, it's nice to get at least a little bit of extra power when you raid |
| 01:49.49 | Amarande | But sometimes it gets a little out of hand (*cough* Mists) |
| 01:49.52 | Neffi_ | god-dammit I found a dead pixel |
| 01:50.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's just exponential growth, Amarande, that's how it works |
| 01:50.11 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure there was a steady power increase among players during the Moria raiding progression |
| 01:50.30 | Amarande | it just didn't have to be quite as strong as WoW because there was a specialised stat enforcing progression at the time |
| 01:50.34 | Mr_Rabies | exponential growth feels the best, but after 9 years of it it gets a bit out of hand, so you have to flatten it out a bit |
| 01:51.03 | Neffi_ | Not everyone agrees exponential growth feels the best |
| 01:51.19 | Neffi_ | The paradigm is built around the numbers. That's why it feels the best. |
| 01:51.29 | Mr_Rabies | of course not, but i'd say they know what they're doing |
| 01:51.35 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the really special thing about ops upgrades in SWTOR is, on the other hand. |
| 01:51.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's a reason why wow's way more popular than any other MMO :p |
| 01:51.52 | Amarande | You do get an upgrade, but it seems to be fairly small (as the only things you HAVE TO do ops for are 72 tier gear and 75 gear of any sort) |
| 01:51.56 | Neffi_ | RPGs that take the holistic route and obscure statistics from the player in favor of more immersive generalized descriptions feel just as good on their own |
| 01:52.04 | Mr_Rabies | its mechanics are generally pretty popular and well-designed and fun, despite what you see on the forums |
| 01:52.24 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: still, it'd probably be a smoother ride if things were less exponential |
| 01:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | i think RPGs can fully work without using stats at all, Neffi_, but probably not MMORPGs |
| 01:52.42 | Neffi_ | I agree WoW has good design. But I don't think it's right to say it's the best. |
| 01:52.43 | kd3 | which is why they're flattening the curve |
| 01:52.50 | Amarande | In particular, Mists has highlighted class scaling differences to a pretty extreme degree |
| 01:52.58 | Neffi_ | You can't ignore things like accessibility as helping out the population of the game |
| 01:53.01 | Amarande | as anyone who's tried to play a shadow priest lately knows pretty well LOL |
| 01:53.39 | Amarande | And the reason for that is because of how many gear levels it's going through, it's basically like going from high level adventurer to SSJ4 by the end of the expansion LOL |
| 01:53.54 | Neffi_ | WoW's popularity is the sum total of its parts. None of them are really perfect. But they're all good to very good, and that's what's important. Because almost every other game is really good in one area and really bad in others. |
| 01:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think an MMORPG without a power gain system like WoWs has much of a chance at success |
| 01:54.31 | Mr_Rabies | it just feels too good to constantly be improving your character |
| 01:54.34 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: LOTRO and SWTOR do pretty well |
| 01:54.47 | Neffi_ | That's not something you can easily qualify |
| 01:54.53 | Amarande | (some insist they're "failed" or "not successful", but it's more that WoW is the outlier and LOTRO/SWTOR are probably more the norm) |
| 01:55.16 | Neffi_ | And to be honest there just aren't enough MMOs on the budget and design scale of WoW *in existence* to support the claim one way or the other |
| 01:55.29 | xyphoid | wow's expansion cycle has a pretty strong effect too |
| 01:55.40 | Neffi_ | There isn't the critical sample size there to say what's the right design choice in an MMORPG, and what's the wrong one |
| 01:55.56 | Mr_Rabies | LOTRO and SWTOR had to pretty quickly change their monetization, though, so i wouldn't really look at either as a pinnacle of success |
| 01:56.09 | Amarande | xyphoid: that's also hard to quantify, as it can be a two-edged sword |
| 01:56.10 | Neffi_ | There are a lot of MMORPGs, but not enough that have the backing, quality and polish of WoW |
| 01:56.15 | Mr_Rabies | the right design choice is the one that i like most, neffi :p |
| 01:56.23 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 01:56.26 | Amarande | new expansions help bring new people back in because it's a level playing field again |
| 01:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | there's no objective value as to what's "best" |
| 01:56.35 | Neffi_ | I agree |
| 01:56.36 | Semlar | i'm best |
| 01:56.41 | Semlar | i think we can all agree |
| 01:56.44 | Neffi_ | There are an infinite amount of ways to design something |
| 01:56.46 | Amarande | but on the other hand, it's like "aw, man, why are we bothering wiping here when the xpac comes out in (time) and it's all going to reset" |
| 01:56.49 | Neffi_ | ~whalenuke Semlar |
| 01:56.50 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Semlar with his mind powers. |
| 01:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | there's an objective value as to "what's popular enough that they haven't changed it" |
| 01:56.56 | Semlar | why so underscore neffi_ |
| 01:57.11 | Neffi | what underscore? |
| 01:57.15 | Mr_Rabies | and exponential growth of characters is one, though they're having to flatten it out due to integer constraints now :p |
| 01:57.24 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah, it's probably the case that you need an abnormal outlier count of subs (i.e. WoW) to sustain off subscriptions alone |
| 01:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | garrosh has more health than npcs are allowed to have, as i understand it, it's past some 32-bit limit |
| 01:57.37 | Neffi | To be honest I don't think it's integer constraints |
| 01:57.44 | Amarande | I actually do think the hybrid cash shop/subscription model is ideal |
| 01:57.47 | Mr_Rabies | but they use shenanigans to have him heal up and stuff to surpass that |
| 01:57.51 | Neffi | Having numbers in the hundreds of thousands feels cheesy and shitty |
| 01:57.59 | Neffi | If they inflate it much more, it just LOOKS bad |
| 01:58.02 | Semlar | i noticed garrosh's boss frame is completely broken in the last recording i made |
| 01:58.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i agree, it takes too much screen space, neffi |
| 01:58.18 | Mr_Rabies | something had to be done |
| 01:58.24 | Amarande | as long as the cash shop does not give too much of an advantage, but neither LOTRO nor SWTOR have really had issue with that |
| 01:58.27 | Semlar | his boss frame has him at like 70% when he's got 20% health left |
| 01:58.38 | xyphoid | there are what, two pre-2005 MMOs still successful? |
| 01:58.44 | Amarande | SWTOR's cash shop can give some nice boosts while you are leveling, but nothing that really lingers at cap |
| 01:58.45 | xyphoid | i mean sure everquest is still around |
| 01:58.48 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really like free-to-play mechanics in general |
| 01:58.51 | Mr_Rabies | or cash shops |
| 01:59.01 | Neffi | thank you |
| 01:59.07 | Amarande | LOTRO has a couple of controversial items in the Store, but it's still pretty mild |
| 01:59.12 | Neffi | I hate that people are criticizing upcoming MMOs for not going free to play |
| 01:59.18 | Mr_Rabies | i think the one cash shop to do things right is D3's auction house, to be honest |
| 01:59.23 | Amarande | especially since, again, the advantage of the cash shop items DECREASES over time |
| 01:59.30 | Neffi | Going free to play is admitting that you're not good enough to rival the kings of the genre and produce a high-budget, high-quality MMO |
| 01:59.43 | Amarande | e.g., the starlit crystals (one of the most debated items from the store) give the *least* benefit when used with top tier gear |
| 01:59.46 | Mr_Rabies | because it's not the company selling items, it's random items dropping that may or may not be worth something, and the company getting a cut of it |
| 02:00.22 | xyphoid | i don't see the subscription model as a mark of success really |
| 02:00.31 | Neffi | I see the GAME as a mark of success |
| 02:00.43 | Mr_Rabies | i think the microtransaction/postrelease transaction bubble will burst soon |
| 02:00.46 | Neffi | And something like WoW takes budget. |
| 02:00.55 | Amarande | also f2p hybrid models mean you can still pop in and see your friends when you're not active enough to justify a sub |
| 02:01.05 | Neffi | Not just in sheer amount of content, but total quality of it. They must pay their developers well. |
| 02:01.10 | Amarande | which helps retain community, which surely keeps revenue up |
| 02:01.23 | xyphoid | a subscription model means you need a game that people will continue to play all the time to maintain their sub |
| 02:01.29 | Mr_Rabies | the last free to play game i dropped any money on was tribes: ascend |
| 02:01.38 | xyphoid | but that leads to gameplay decisions like dailies |
| 02:01.40 | Neffi | If you're not making a game good enough, then why make a game at all? |
| 02:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | and that was only because the deal was really, really good, and for $30, i could pretty much buy a whole retail game's worth of weapons, etc |
| 02:02.05 | xyphoid | <3 eve's progression model |
| 02:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | and still use my EXP to unlock more weapons |
| 02:02.19 | Neffi | Maybe I'm an outlier in thinking that every F2P MMO I've tried is absolute shit |
| 02:02.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think cookie clicker's got the best progression model |
| 02:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | most are, neffi |
| 02:02.32 | Mr_Rabies | if not all |
| 02:02.35 | xyphoid | how many non-f2p mmos have you played |
| 02:02.36 | Mr_Rabies | at least the vast majority are |
| 02:02.38 | Amarande | Neffi: you've tried the wrong ones |
| 02:02.44 | Amarande | SW:TOR and LOTRO are good models of the model |
| 02:02.44 | Neffi | "this has awesome combat" yeah its combat mechanics are sort of cool but its content design is really shitty, its story is hollow, and its balance is crap |
| 02:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | does SWTOR have an endgame yet? |
| 02:02.58 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: "ops" |
| 02:03.05 | Amarande | Ops are SWTOR's version of raids |
| 02:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't SWTOR charge for like |
| 02:03.24 | Mr_Rabies | ability slots, and the ability to sprint? |
| 02:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | or move faster than walk speed at all? |
| 02:03.38 | Primer | I think you have to subscribe to do ops |
| 02:03.40 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: only if you're not a subscriber (and sprint is simply delayed to a later level) |
| 02:03.45 | Amarande | Primer: yes and no |
| 02:03.56 | xyphoid | i am actually all for paying for unlocks like that |
| 02:04.05 | Amarande | pretty sure you can do ops without subscribing but it's a limited number per week (unless you buy a cartel market item to remove the cap for a week) |
| 02:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not! |
| 02:04.07 | Primer | I bought SW:TOR when it came out, and was really excited and hoped that it'd do well |
| 02:04.14 | xyphoid | because they're permanent |
| 02:04.18 | Primer | but unfortunately they made a bad WoW clone |
| 02:04.21 | Primer | which light sabers |
| 02:04.24 | Mr_Rabies | charge for the game or don't, don't say it's free and then require a purchase to actually do anything |
| 02:04.26 | Amarande | and, moreover, the main gating is that you need good enough gear to do ops |
| 02:04.28 | Primer | s/which/with/ |
| 02:04.47 | Amarande | which means you need to either be a subscriber, or purchase "Artifact Equipment Authorisation" for your character (otherwise you're limited to blue 66, which isn't really good enough) |
| 02:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think WoW's "free to play" options would be vastly improved if they could turn on some of the social features for trial characters |
| 02:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | but gold spammers make that hard :( |
| 02:05.19 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah that might even make people MORE pissed off in the end |
| 02:05.22 | xyphoid | just about every f2p game has some caps for free players but hell they have to get money somehow |
| 02:05.25 | Amarande | like in SW:TOR, if you haven't paid money into the game |
| 02:05.33 | Amarande | you can only talk in public chat channels once per minute |
| 02:05.43 | Mr_Rabies | though, i honestly haven't seen a gold spammer on my realm in months |
| 02:05.47 | xyphoid | drop $15 a month on your average f2p game and you have way more than everything you need |
| 02:05.51 | Amarande | heh, Illidan is full of gold spam |
| 02:05.58 | Amarande | some of it even for Susan Express, dear gods |
| 02:06.05 | Amarande | I would have thought they would have been shut down a long time ago |
| 02:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing like everyone else, the gold spammers all migrate to the popular realms |
| 02:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | god, i can't wait for connected realms to be a thing |
| 02:06.15 | Amarande | susanexpress spammed when I first started playing WoW, back in BC LOL |
| 02:06.16 | Primer | I recall my guild had cleared all the hardcore ops and then the first 2 bosses of the new ops in 1.2 when I said "fuck this" |
| 02:06.24 | Semlar | thankfully badboy blocks pretty much all of it |
| 02:06.31 | Primer | the game was still rather buggy |
| 02:06.34 | Amarande | Primer: it's a lot better now |
| 02:06.35 | Mr_Rabies | i actually WANT gold spam now |
| 02:06.40 | Semlar | no you don't |
| 02:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | because that means my realm's worth enough to spam on |
| 02:06.45 | Primer | and the tiny bit they did to make the UI better was just not enough |
| 02:06.48 | xyphoid | anyway i love f2p games because i get bored with mmos regularly, and being able to play for a month then quit for six months without fucking around with subscriptions is great |
| 02:06.54 | Mr_Rabies | instead it's totally dead and not even gold spammers care about it :( |
| 02:07.06 | Amarande | xyphoid: yeah I tend to switch MMOs pretty often myself |
| 02:07.18 | Amarande | usually cycling between WoW, LOTRO, and SW:TOR, at this point |
| 02:07.19 | xyphoid | $5 into SWTOR and $5 into rift got all the quality of life stuff i wanted |
| 02:07.30 | Amarande | I might pick up FF14 eventually, maybe GW2 |
| 02:07.35 | Amarande | might even reinstall GW1. :) |
| 02:07.42 | Mr_Rabies | i've yet to find an mmo that draws me in anywhere near wow's level |
| 02:07.50 | Mr_Rabies | they're all lacking significantly in some way |
| 02:07.57 | Primer | same |
| 02:08.03 | Semlar | it's the gnomes |
| 02:08.04 | Mr_Rabies | everyone wants to make a wow clone, but they can't |
| 02:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | they need to stop trying |
| 02:08.17 | xyphoid | play eeeeeve |
| 02:08.18 | Mr_Rabies | they need to make a new, fun game to compete at all |
| 02:08.26 | Mr_Rabies | eve's barely a game, though |
| 02:08.27 | Semlar | eve is nothing like wow |
| 02:08.35 | Primer | eve is work |
| 02:08.41 | Primer | (not that wow is not) |
| 02:08.44 | Semlar | oh i guess it is a little bit then |
| 02:08.46 | Primer | it's...more work |
| 02:08.50 | Neffi | Amarande: Should let me know when/if you pick up Gw2 |
| 02:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's a game by some measures, but not any that i tend to care about |
| 02:08.58 | Neffi | Amarande: I'm gonna pick it up in thenext couple weeks |
| 02:09.02 | TGiFallen | does anyone know of an addon that I can use to track certain menial things in WoW, sucha s which toons i got my extra roll coins on |
| 02:09.06 | Primer | I'm hopeful for Star Citizen |
| 02:09.11 | TGiFallen | even if i have to manually enter the notes, anything really |
| 02:09.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for an MMO with a dark-souls style combat system |
| 02:09.14 | Primer | but I'm not holding my breath |
| 02:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | TGiFallen: savedinstances |
| 02:09.40 | Primer | I highly recommend SavedInstances |
| 02:09.44 | Dagmar | Primer: I wouldn't worry too much. They've gotten enough money to hire EA to do it at this point |
| 02:09.48 | Primer | track everything that I could ever want and more |
| 02:09.54 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: I think a lot of the limitations on that is latency. And I think that's getting better, as high quality internet connections get more penetration. |
| 02:09.55 | Mr_Rabies | tracks across multiple chars for things like dailies, weeklies, warns you at login if you don't have warforged seals for the week, etc |
| 02:09.59 | TGiFallen | ohh thank you, not hugely important, but does it allow me to write notes aswell |
| 02:10.04 | Primer | Dagmar: Let's hope they don't stoop that low |
| 02:10.14 | Primer | TGiFallen: no |
| 02:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think so, but what are you trying to note? |
| 02:10.16 | Dagmar | Yeah that would be kinda shitty |
| 02:10.17 | Neffi | It's hard to do realtime action on bad latency. As seen in FPS games. |
| 02:10.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (~drool@host86-134-63-203.range86-134.btcentralplus.com) |
| 02:10.21 | xyphoid | i am assuming star citizen will be a spectacular disaster |
| 02:10.27 | xyphoid | hopefully i'll be pleasantly surprised |
| 02:10.42 | Primer | xyphoid: I've not been too impressed with what I've seen so far |
| 02:10.48 | Primer | seems they're concentrating a lot on bling |
| 02:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | here's dark souls' dread mechanic, Amarande: http://i.imgur.com/7kVgnSu.gif |
| 02:11.13 | Primer | I could care less about what ship model they've finished |
| 02:11.32 | Primer | I can wait til the final product for that |
| 02:11.33 | TGiFallen | Mr_Rabies: small things like "sold x to y for z" , "X is paying me Y for Z stacks of A" |
| 02:11.36 | TGiFallen | things like that |
| 02:11.45 | Mr_Rabies | ah, hmm |
| 02:11.53 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: "Oh shit, run away!" ? |
| 02:12.10 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if altoholic has anything like that, i'm sur there's something for taking notes that are shared cross-character |
| 02:12.16 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much, primer |
| 02:12.27 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: not much of a combat system |
| 02:12.30 | TGiFallen | you know, i've looked trhough alto holic |
| 02:12.34 | TGiFallen | i even use altoholic |
| 02:12.43 | TGiFallen | but it lacks that feature |
| 02:12.48 | Amarande | before I play FF14 in particular though I'll be wanting to buy a new video card or overclock mine again |
| 02:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | i love how in dark souls, stuff that is dangerous LOOKS DANGEROUS |
| 02:12.56 | Amarande | and I probably can't OC my video card atm :( |
| 02:13.00 | Mr_Rabies | and vice-versa |
| 02:13.11 | Amarande | which is sad because it really gave a nice improvement when I was running at 940MHz before |
| 02:13.13 | Primer | I want to get a latest gen nvidia |
| 02:13.17 | Mr_Rabies | they don't make you scared of enemies just for ~environment~ |
| 02:13.18 | Amarande | (default is 870MHz) |
| 02:13.24 | Mr_Rabies | you're scared because you're in real danger |
| 02:13.25 | Primer | but my wife frowns when I want to spend $600 on a video card |
| 02:13.43 | Neffi | One of the things I hate about being a PC gamer |
| 02:13.48 | Amarande | well for me, in furmark I was getting 70C temps with the GPU OC'd even with the side intake fan blowing right onto the GPU |
| 02:13.55 | Neffi | Seems like my hardware is never good enough, and new hardware is expensive |
| 02:14.00 | Amarande | unfortunately, I had to toss my side intake fan |
| 02:14.12 | Neffi | 70C is fairly cool for an OC'd GPU |
| 02:14.16 | Amarande | something must have got in the motor, it's intolerably loud |
| 02:14.20 | Neffi | Keep it under 90C full load and you're good |
| 02:15.34 | Mr_Rabies | according to speedfan, my gpu is running at 49C under idle |
| 02:15.40 | Amarande | hm, let's see if I can remember how to play my classes in LOTRO after so long |
| 02:15.45 | TGiFallen | submerge your comp (minus the hdd's) in filtered mineral oil |
| 02:15.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think i need to replace some fans |
| 02:15.59 | Neffi | TGiFallen: That's more of a bitch than it comes off as |
| 02:16.06 | Amarande | heh, I can't seem to use speedfan on this box |
| 02:16.13 | Mr_Rabies | i really need to replace my PSU, it's so loud |
| 02:16.13 | Amarande | I installed it, tried to run it, it hung |
| 02:16.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's normal for mine to make so much noise |
| 02:16.20 | TGiFallen | setting it up is a bitch, once its running w/o leaks its smooth sailing |
| 02:16.21 | Mr_Rabies | but it's annoying |
| 02:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | when i go to certain areas in wow it literally screams |
| 02:16.38 | Neffi | Not only is replacing parts a PITA, but certain things can't tolerate mineral oil. It can wear down certain types of capacitors and fuck up interfaces. You need to do a lot of caulking or otherwise insulating particular hard-to-reach parts. |
| 02:16.50 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, is there a threat text option in SUF |
| 02:17.00 | Mr_Rabies | because apparently this PSU doesn't have the piles of goop keeping it from rattling that most do nowadays |
| 02:17.08 | Neffi | Also if your thermal load is high, you want a radiator on there to stop the mineral oil from getting too hot, since it'll pretty much soak up and retain all the heat |
| 02:17.12 | TGiFallen | i've never encountered mineral oil eating anything important away |
| 02:17.19 | TGiFallen | except silver thermal paste for some reason |
| 02:17.52 | kd3 | emails away |
| 02:17.56 | Neffi | And of course you need good convection in the oil, so you best have some fans that can handle the viscosity of oil, like Yate Loons, Deltas or otherwise powerful fans |
| 02:17.56 | TGiFallen | only other stuff it dissolves is the glue that glues stickers on to your components, |
| 02:18.22 | TGiFallen | any fan that was meant to blow air being submerged in oil is a bad idea |
| 02:18.34 | TGiFallen | you want a proper impeller, with circuitry to handle the load |
| 02:18.56 | Neffi | It's a lot more pain that it's worth honestly. Why bother? The limiting factor in overclocking is more often the chips themselves, not the thermal envelope. If you need better heat dissipation, make a water loop. |
| 02:19.12 | Mr_Rabies | i soak mine in a 50/50 crude oil, nitroglycerine solution |
| 02:19.15 | TGiFallen | water is more of a PITA and a lot more dangerous than oil |
| 02:19.44 | Neffi | Probably more dangerous, yeah |
| 02:19.51 | Mr_Rabies | i think any kind of crazy cooling is wholly unnecessary nowdays |
| 02:19.57 | Neffi | Riding a bike is more dangerous than walking, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't do it |
| 02:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm using my stock i7 cooler that i got 5 years ago |
| 02:20.10 | Neffi | Manage your risks and do things properly |
| 02:20.29 | TGiFallen | that's a poor analogy Neffi, because there is nothing to compare biking to the same way water and oil cooling are compared |
| 02:20.34 | Mr_Rabies | and just lots and lots of 120mm+ case fans |
| 02:20.40 | Neffi | Modern CPUs really don't benefit from crazy cooling potential over a really good closed-loop and good airflow |
| 02:21.09 | TGiFallen | it'd be more like why drive a car when you can take a bus (where walking is air cooled and bus is oil and car is water) |
| 02:21.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, closed loop liquid cooling is pretty great, i kind of want one |
| 02:21.29 | Neffi | A Haswell chip is likely to hit its limitation well before heat becomes a problem on like an H100i being fed with relatively cool ambient air |
| 02:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | there's not really much of a reason to use anything other than air cooling and a closed-loop water cooling system at most for 99% of people out there |
| 02:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | other than just to say you've done it |
| 02:22.18 | Neffi | A few places have tested a selection of chips, showing the bell curve of how high they can overclock at all is in the mid 4.x GHz range |
| 02:22.31 | Neffi | Giving it better cooling isn't helping that the chips just arne't breaking 5 GHz |
| 02:22.40 | Primer | What if you use liquid nitrogen? |
| 02:22.51 | Primer | Isn't that what Crays used to do? |
| 02:23.10 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 02:23.13 | Neffi | People that use liquid nitrogen spend shitloads of money seeking out binned chips that are in the top 1 percentile in overclocking potential |
| 02:23.14 | TGiFallen | i remember that video, iirc some guys overlocked an i7 to 8 ghz and cooled it with liquid nitrogen |
| 02:23.16 | Mr_Rabies | i miss The Screen Savers |
| 02:23.17 | TGiFallen | 9 ghz* |
| 02:23.19 | kd3 | people running a cray system could afford frequent LN |
| 02:23.30 | Mr_Rabies | they made a liquid nitrogen bowl for cooling |
| 02:23.33 | Neffi | You're not hitting 5 GHz with liquid nitrogen by just buying an off-the-shelf Core i7 |
| 02:23.37 | Mr_Rabies | and literally just poured it in there |
| 02:23.46 | Neffi | People buy dozens of CPUs and test them all so they can select the best overclocker to hit the world record |
| 02:24.27 | Neffi | Also you can't actually run LN2 24/7. It requires very careful management to keep it within operating temperatures. It can't get too cold. |
| 02:24.43 | TGiFallen | why's that |
| 02:24.52 | Neffi | CPUs cease to function if their temp drops too low |
| 02:24.56 | Neffi | Google "cold bug" |
| 02:24.57 | TGiFallen | well i suppose there is the issue of superconduction |
| 02:25.09 | kd3 | wonders if amazon sells LN |
| 02:25.13 | Neffi | Watch the overclocking videos with LN |
| 02:25.23 | Neffi | Some people use blowtorches so they can manage the temp |
| 02:25.27 | Neffi | No joke |
| 02:25.28 | TGiFallen | http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/04/intel-haswell-core-i7-overclocked-asus/ |
| 02:25.43 | TGiFallen | 6.88 ghz with haswell i7 |
| 02:26.01 | Neffi | I bet they bought over 2 dozen CPUs to find the one that was capable of that number |
| 02:26.09 | Neffi | At the very least |
| 02:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | maybe that's why the new nvidia GPUs were designed, neffi |
| 02:26.22 | Mr_Rabies | to replace the need of a blowtorch |
| 02:26.22 | TGiFallen | so it's just a dice roll |
| 02:26.27 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: lol |
| 02:26.34 | Neffi | It largely is a diceroll, yes |
| 02:26.39 | Neffi | Chips have imperfections |
| 02:26.41 | TGiFallen | but really, with manufacturing techniques today is there really that much margin of error in a CPU? |
| 02:26.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's weird how organic chip production is |
| 02:26.56 | Neffi | The average Haswell CPU will hit no more than 4.4-4.8 GHz, depending on how lucky you are |
| 02:27.05 | Neffi | Whether you got the cooling or not |
| 02:27.17 | TGiFallen | what do you mean organic rabies |
| 02:27.32 | Mr_Rabies | the imperfections are so minute but there's tons of them |
| 02:27.33 | Neffi | TGiFallen: It's not about margin of error. It's about yield. Why would they sacrifice yields to ensure that all chips can run at 5 GHz? |
| 02:27.35 | TGiFallen | i thought intel was using some weird chemical etching technique, I'm probably wrong |
| 02:27.48 | Neffi | If they up the standards of their chips so that they HAVE to hit 5 GHz, their yields will hit the floor |
| 02:27.52 | Neffi | Chips would cost thousands |
| 02:28.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's why the different tiers of chips exist |
| 02:28.13 | Neffi | They already have to do binning, so the most well-tested chips are sold as K variants, and others as locked variants |
| 02:28.23 | TGiFallen | but that is margin of error Neffi, the corolary of what you just said means, that if they ALL have to reach 5gghz, then the ones that don't have manufacturing errors |
| 02:28.27 | Neffi | They can only ensure such good standards without having to throw out most of their CPUs |
| 02:28.36 | Mr_Rabies | different levels of imperfection tend to be what establishes the different tiers of cpu |
| 02:28.43 | TGiFallen | manufacturing errors |
| 02:28.55 | TGiFallen | to neffi, not you rabies |
| 02:29.05 | Mr_Rabies | they clock them down until they're stable and then sell them as that model |
| 02:29.12 | Neffi | It's not a manufacturing error. It's a fact of that you're working on scales at nanometers. Imperfections always exist, even in the best chips. |
| 02:29.35 | TGiFallen | those imperfections are manufacturing errors, they are one and the same |
| 02:29.36 | Mr_Rabies | as long as they meet the specs for that model, of course |
| 02:29.51 | Mr_Rabies | if they don't, they move down the list, eventually becoming pentiums and celerons and stuff |
| 02:29.54 | TGiFallen | manufacturing errors exist any and everywhere in the world, it's part of the downfall of being physical beings on a physical plane |
| 02:29.57 | Neffi | If your P/N boundary on one transistor is a bit too thin, then overclocking it too far will cause that transistor to malfunction. |
| 02:30.07 | Mr_Rabies | well, that's the thing about cpu manufacturing, TGiFallen |
| 02:30.12 | Shirik | wait |
| 02:30.14 | Neffi | It's not about "is it right or wrong?" |
| 02:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | the components are so small the errors are just part of the process |
| 02:30.22 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:30.24 | Shirik | not airplanes |
| 02:30.27 | Neffi | It's about getting it to within tolerances |
| 02:30.28 | kd3 | ~wiki product binning |
| 02:30.33 | TGiFallen | I never brought it down to a "right or wrong" thing, i'm not that simple |
| 02:30.47 | Shirik | also, +1 @ kd3 |
| 02:31.02 | Shirik | literally the difference between the Radeon 7970 and 7950 is fallout from product binning |
| 02:31.10 | Mr_Rabies | they basically aim the manufacturing process to a certain spec |
| 02:31.18 | Mr_Rabies | if it doesn't meet it, it goes down in tiers until it meets that spec |
| 02:31.20 | Shirik | they take lower grade chips, run them at a level they can handle, and put them in a 7950 |
| 02:31.20 | Neffi | You seem to be arguing that if the average chip only hits 4.4-4.8 GHz, then that's a lack of quality control on their part |
| 02:31.46 | Neffi | A lot of things use binning. Almost everything. |
| 02:32.10 | TGiFallen | yeah taht was cool kd3, but anyways those imperfections and tolerances you are explaining are also called manufacturing errors. I understand that the imperfections are inherent and (now) what product binning is |
| 02:32.12 | Neffi | They might disable cores in CPUs because only 1-2 cores are up to par, and then bin that as the dual-core variant |
| 02:32.20 | Shirik | they are not called manufacturing errors |
| 02:32.23 | Shirik | they're called tolerances |
| 02:32.28 | Neffi | precisely |
| 02:32.41 | TGiFallen | ok then, getting into semantics.... |
| 02:32.45 | Shirik | no I am not |
| 02:32.49 | Neffi | They already ensure that tolerances are higher than what's advertised. That's why everything you buy overclocks. |
| 02:32.52 | Shirik | you don't design something saying it's going to be 3 meters |
| 02:32.52 | Dagmar | Also called "the blue dickpunch of sadness"" |
| 02:32.59 | Shirik | you design something saying it's going to be 3 meters +/- some amount |
| 02:33.05 | Shirik | everything that falls outside that amount is an error |
| 02:33.29 | Neffi | TGiFallen: Read up on how transistors work according to p-type and n-type semiconductor doping |
| 02:33.31 | TGiFallen | and then everything that's inside that amount is a tolerance |
| 02:33.37 | kd3 | the tolerances could be, say, micrometers, but it's all a matter of tolerances |
| 02:33.45 | Neffi | The science behind it is rather prone to measuring by tolerance |
| 02:33.50 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean http://blogs.systweak.com/wp-content/themes/Blue-screen-Crash-Windows-8.jpg ? :) |
| 02:34.00 | TGiFallen | well i wasn't arguing about that the cpus were faulty, i was asking why some OC'd better than others of the same model |
| 02:34.08 | Neffi | Your boundary layer between the P-side of the transistor and N-side isn't always the same size |
| 02:34.09 | kd3 | nope, it's the ps4 fail term |
| 02:34.12 | Dagmar | Amarande: No I mean the infant mortality on PS4s |
| 02:34.17 | TGiFallen | in reply to your earlier question/statement neffi |
| 02:34.23 | Neffi | And that has a huge effect, especially as node sizes shrink, because electrons don't behave |
| 02:34.27 | Shirik | overclocking is NOT part of its spec |
| 02:34.33 | Shirik | by definition it is exceeding its spec |
| 02:34.51 | Shirik | its specification is a design that it is guaranteed to meet given the engineered tolerances |
| 02:34.54 | Amarande | Neffi: Yeah, Broadwell is apparently going to be the last "sane" silicon based CPU |
| 02:34.55 | Shirik | it might exceed that |
| 02:34.57 | Shirik | it might not |
| 02:35.06 | Amarande | er, wait, Skymont will be too, since it's still 14nm |
| 02:35.12 | Neffi | Why some OC better is, feature sizes are measured in qhat's essentially the size of a few molecules |
| 02:35.13 | Amarande | but once they go past 14nm, it becomes a huge morass of QM |
| 02:35.33 | Shirik | kd3 what have you done |
| 02:35.38 | Shirik | enwiki replag at 1 hour :( |
| 02:35.46 | kd3 | oof |
| 02:35.49 | Neffi | Something, somewhere is gonna be smaller or larger than projected. It turns out EVERYTHING is, to some degree. If you're unlucky, than the tolerances aren't in your favor on the crucial parts where overclocking stresses the electro-mechanics of the chip |
| 02:36.08 | Dagmar | If you're OCD, nothing is ever the exact right size |
| 02:36.12 | Amarande | And even then, I can't see them getting more than two or three extra nodes past 14nm even with different materials |
| 02:36.17 | Amarande | We're hitting atomic scale before long |
| 02:36.27 | Aeger73 | some of the problems using Graphene for chips has been solved small scale |
| 02:36.32 | Neffi | It's simply not possible to ensure that your P-side of the transistor is exactly 2 nm wide (eg) |
| 02:36.44 | Amarande | Aeger73, still only a few more nodes possible |
| 02:36.46 | Shirik | it's arguable that 2nm doesn't actually exist |
| 02:36.47 | Amarande | you can't go smaller than atoms :) |
| 02:36.58 | Neffi | Aeger73: Graphene isn't gonna be some be-all-end-all solution. Tolerances still matter to a huge extent. |
| 02:37.04 | Shirik | is 2nm divisible by the planck length? |
| 02:37.16 | kd3 | at some level of approximation |
| 02:37.18 | Neffi | Largely, it's not the substrate (silicon, graphene) that decides the performance and tolerances. It's the doping. |
| 02:37.25 | Aeger73 | its still going to keep us up with Mores for awhile |
| 02:37.44 | Amarande | I've sometimes predicted that this will be when the desktop gains another huge resurgence and *mobile* devices start to tank |
| 02:37.45 | Neffi | Silicon still has a ways to go. And we've got 3D chips to look forward to. |
| 02:38.04 | Neffi | People have been blowing this whole "end of Moore's Law" so out of proportion it's fucking insane |
| 02:38.10 | Amarande | because, eventually, mobile devices are going to hit a brick wall based on transistor size nodes |
| 02:38.23 | Amarande | Desktop? You can just make the chip bigger (2D or 3D) and live with the bigger cooler |
| 02:38.33 | Amarande | Mobile? There's only so far it'll be able to go before they just can't make a chip do any more |
| 02:38.41 | Neffi | Intel is already R&Ding promising techniques to push silicon down to 4 nm. 2 years ago they said Moore's Law was gonna end at 22 nm. Don't trust public opinion at all. |
| 02:39.00 | Amarande | Neffi: the prevailing thought 2 years ago seems rather to be that silicon won't work below 14nm or so |
| 02:39.00 | Aeger73 | Read this today thought it was interesting http://www.itechpost.com/articles/11786/20131117/accidental-discovery-dramatically-improves-electrical-conductivity.htm |
| 02:39.09 | Amarande | i.e., graphene or something else has to be used for 10nm and smaller |
| 02:39.29 | Amarande | In any case, 4 nm probably really IS about as far as Moore's Law will go |
| 02:39.36 | Neffi | Amarande: I was throwing 22nm out there as an example. 14nm was the popular opinion 2 years ago. 22nm was the opinion a few years before that. |
| 02:39.37 | Funkeh` | Shadowed, found it |
| 02:39.45 | Neffi | Moral of the story: the public knows nothing |
| 02:39.54 | Amarande | You can't go much smaller, atoms don't really COME any smaller, especially when you consider covalent bond lengths between them |
| 02:39.55 | Neffi | Science/tech pundits also know nothing |
| 02:40.04 | Neffi | Stop listening to people, and let the experts solve the problems |
| 02:40.16 | Amarande | 3D chips are also more problematic than it sounds, keep in mind how much cooling it takes just for ONE layer of transistors. |
| 02:40.45 | Amarande | Cores already need a direct thermal dissipation path. How are you going to stack other cores under them? |
| 02:40.46 | Aeger73 | One day desktops will be gone entirely and you will just use some super server accorss a network |
| 02:40.59 | Neffi | Amarande: Boron-doped diamond transistors have really good thermal properties, such that heat wouldn't be a problem for a while |
| 02:41.16 | Neffi | So 3D chips, while probably far off, aren't as problematic as they seem at first |
| 02:42.26 | Amarande | Of course, if mobile mostly died out in a decade or two it probably wouldn't really matter much at the rate things are going |
| 02:42.39 | Neffi | Also as far as how small atoms come. we're still inherently working with groups of molecules. Our design process doesn't even account for the possibility of individual molecule designs. |
| 02:43.00 | Neffi | So if we could push nano-manufacturing to the point where we COULD work with individual molecules, it'd be pretty profound |
| 02:43.01 | Amarande | mostly because the days of the mobile lifestyle that pushes those devices are likely numbered |
| 02:43.27 | Amarande | eventually, fuel is going to become too rare and precious for people to be on the go too much and being at home at a desktop will again not seem like a handicap |
| 02:43.41 | Neffi | Not for a long time yet |
| 02:43.52 | Neffi | We still have Thorium nuclear energy to look forward to, and fusion after that |
| 02:44.04 | Dagmar | ...and laser sharks. |
| 02:44.05 | Amarande | Fuel for vehicles, on the other hand ... |
| 02:44.15 | Neffi | Our energy needs could be sufficiently met by technologies that are either on the horizon, or not far off |
| 02:44.25 | Amarande | Unless we finally manage to get them to make cars with RTGs |
| 02:44.41 | Neffi | Thorium alone is abundant enough, and already being successfully used, that we could expand out energy needs quite a bit |
| 02:44.48 | kd3 | wow... 2 minutes left in the first half and the patriots have yet to score |
| 02:44.53 | Aeger73 | Shame the military nipped Thorium nuclear at its inception and went with Uranium just for its military applications |
| 02:44.57 | Amarande | kd3: good, I hate the Patriots :p |
| 02:45.09 | Neffi | Aeger73: They really didn't nip it at all |
| 02:45.28 | Neffi | Thorium will eventually be used, because it's the best option and our current infrastructure is hitting its limits |
| 02:45.30 | Aeger73 | they sure didnt fund it |
| 02:45.33 | Amarande | hm. I thought the main purpose for thorium in nuclear energy was to make U-233, anyway |
| 02:45.40 | Neffi | What mistakes they made in the past don't matter |
| 02:45.44 | Neffi | We will see thorium used |
| 02:45.50 | Neffi | Because we don't have much other choice |
| 02:46.16 | Amarande | The other form of nuclear energy generator, the RTG, mainly uses post-reactor waste, as I understand it. |
| 02:46.19 | Neffi | Amarande: Thorium actually is fairly energy dense, efficient and a good path. |
| 02:46.23 | Amarande | Its problem is more a matter of safety. |
| 02:46.36 | Neffi | It might've once been considered for just that, but right now it's being considered for real use |
| 02:46.55 | Amarande | (The sucky thing is that the isotopes that work best in RTGs are also among those that are the worst pain in the ass if they get out into the ecosystem :|) |
| 02:47.01 | Neffi | Good thing thorium is much safer |
| 02:47.05 | Aeger73 | it was emonstarted along time ago. They went the other direction to maek bombs |
| 02:47.11 | Neffi | Actually I'm saying that wrong |
| 02:47.18 | Neffi | Good thing modern reactor design is much safer |
| 02:47.27 | Amarande | like strontium-90, you don't want that getting out into the wild. |
| 02:48.12 | Neffi | Aeger73: Because there wasn't sufficient demand for high-yield clean energy at the time |
| 02:48.21 | Amarande | Remember kids, cancer is not a super power. |
| 02:48.50 | Aeger73 | Im sure it was atruistic :) |
| 02:49.07 | Neffi | I'm sure you're being sarcastic ;) |
| 02:49.14 | Aeger73 | damnit I cant type for shit today |
| 02:50.32 | Aeger73 | I'm trying to find an article I read yesterday. You know how they say in Quantum Physics it doesnt have a state until measured |
| 02:50.53 | Aeger73 | it was something about a way they can measure something without altering its state |
| 02:51.15 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/counting-photons-without-destroying-them/ |
| 02:51.15 | Aeger73 | seems apt from the earlier conversatiion about stuff aty the atomic level |
| 02:51.23 | Neffi | Not what you think |
| 02:51.34 | Neffi | Just that they can make multiple measurements on the same photons |
| 02:51.46 | Neffi | Not that they can measure without destroying the quantum state |
| 02:52.04 | Aeger73 | oh definatly not what I thought then |
| 02:52.28 | Neffi | It's very purpose-oriented. This isn't gonna allow them to measure any given quantum state. It's specifically gonna allow them to measure a single photon twice as long as they have the photon under just the right conditions |
| 02:52.41 | Amarande | You know what's interesting |
| 02:52.47 | Neffi | chesus |
| 02:52.49 | Amarande | if we ever create a time machine that can go back in time an arbitrary period |
| 02:52.57 | Amarande | we can actually get all the nuclear fuel we will ever need, effortlessly |
| 02:53.18 | Neffi | The energy required would not allow it |
| 02:53.30 | Amarande | I read the B2FH paper a while back, and one of the findings is apparently that when uranium is first created, it's actually majority U-235 |
| 02:53.37 | Neffi | Which doesn't much matter, because there's enough thorium on the earth to feed our power needs until we're extinct anyway |
| 02:53.44 | Amarande | i.e., the further back you go in time, the more the uranium is enriched |
| 02:53.47 | Neffi | And if we somehow use all that up, we'll have successful fusion by then anyway |
| 02:54.17 | Amarande | It has apparently something to do with the properties of spontaneous fission in super-heavy nuclides |
| 02:54.35 | Neffi | meh |
| 02:54.46 | Neffi | "if only" is used too often by science idealists |
| 02:54.56 | Neffi | ;) |
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| 03:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | man, i'm so glad i went back to gogomount |
| 03:54.11 | Mr_Rabies | GupPet was nice, but it's so outdated now it's a bit broken |
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| 03:57.25 | Amarande | huh, this article made me do a bit of a double take |
| 03:57.37 | Amarande | testing an HDD, SSHD, and SSD on a PS4 |
| 03:57.43 | Amarande | mostly the SSHD part, actually |
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| 03:59.54 | Mr_Rabies | what's a SSHD? a hybrid drive? |
| 04:00.23 | Mr_Rabies | ah, yeah, i hadn't heard that acronym |
| 04:00.24 | Amarande | Yeah |
| 04:00.35 | Amarande | Mostly I didn't think any of them would actually be small enough to fit in a PS3/PS4 |
| 04:00.41 | Mr_Rabies | didn't realize there were any 2.5" SSHDs |
| 04:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 04:00.53 | Amarande | apparently seagate makes them though |
| 04:01.02 | Mr_Rabies | guess you could just get some cables and use a 3.5 and have it be ghetto as all hell |
| 04:01.04 | Amarande | ... not that I ever want to touch another effing seagate drive as long as I live :P |
| 04:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | there's no real winner when it comes to HDDs nowadays :( |
| 04:01.33 | MysticalOS | ah i was looking for code changes to fix the parental control thing. but i think they actually fixed it another way, errors still seem gone on ptr. i bet the function is no longer protected |
| 04:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | their warranties are all crap, they all have way higher failure rates, etc |
| 04:02.13 | Amarande | I've mostly used WD over the years, at least till I switched to an SSD (I think Intel will stay my go-to brand for those) |
| 04:02.39 | Amarande | I bought ONE Seagate (well, Samsung-branded, but a Barracuda in reality anyway) drive last year |
| 04:02.58 | Amarande | And it's been a year of agony that went away only when I finally decided to trash it and make the jump to SSD |
| 04:03.24 | Amarande | The WD's? They've never given me trouble. The one time one seemed it did? Turned out to be bad RAM. |
| 04:04.06 | Amarande | This Samsung/Seagate thing, on the other hand? It'd pass every test happily, and yet still corrupt data on a regular basis |
| 04:04.25 | Amarande | (Which also meant I couldn't RMA the bloody thing, because Seagate only takes RMAs if the drive actually shows a failure on their actual tests :|) |
| 04:06.23 | Amarande | but yeah, if I get a spinny drive to run alongside my SSD at any point, it's going to be a WD again |
| 04:17.45 | kd3 | ooh boy, carolina got a touchdown with a minute to go in the 4th. they're up by 3 before the PAT |
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| 04:21.40 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 04:39.59 | pompy | ah already hit the news http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/youtube-website-goes-down/?_r=0 |
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| 04:49.58 | frostic | guys can anyone make me a very small addon? all i need it to do is if a priest has me targeted and is casting vampiric touch it will play a sound, is this able to be done? if so can anyone point me to an addon that does it or a tutorial to make an addon that can do this? |
| 04:56.55 | Seerah | frostic: this is more in-depth than you think, involves polling through targets (and target-targets, etc) of all your group members, and may not even be accurate (if no one has said priest targeted or the priest is using mouseover macros or click-casting) |
| 04:58.04 | karl_w_w | woo woo, first time ever twinkies |
| 04:59.19 | Neffi | Seerah: No it's not. I'm almost done writing it |
| 04:59.38 | Neffi | All you have to do is listen to CLEU, wait for SPELL_CAST_START, check if you're the dest and the src is an enemy player |
| 04:59.42 | Seerah | "nd may not even be accurate (if no one has said priest targeted or the priest is using mouseover macros or click-casting)" |
| 05:00.15 | Neffi | you don't always need to poll |
| 05:00.19 | Seerah | eh, maybe I'm thinking of something else someone wanted where teh dest wasn't given |
| 05:05.42 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 05:05.42 | purl | rumour has it, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 05:07.25 | frostic | wow neffi u sound like u know alot about all this stuff lol |
| 05:07.35 | Shirik | hey nevcairiel |
| 05:07.38 | Shirik | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck |
| 05:10.34 | Neffi | frostic: http://pastebin.com/dapQdUiC |
| 05:10.43 | frostic | i meant it for in duels because i allways slip up and dispell vt and i die so its like very annoying getting stomped all the time lol if i knew when vt is being cast on me i would know to counter it and not dispell lol. |
| 05:10.50 | Neffi | frostic: Download this: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19403-_DevPad.html |
| 05:11.03 | Neffi | Put it in a new page, and enable the arrow icon next to it |
| 05:11.06 | frostic | ok :) |
| 05:11.09 | Neffi | that makes it auto-execute when you log in |
| 05:11.13 | Neffi | essentially makes it an addon |
| 05:11.21 | frostic | nice |
| 05:11.39 | Neffi | be sure to replace SOUNDNAME |
| 05:11.43 | Neffi | see the comment I left in the script |
| 05:11.53 | frostic | ok |
| 05:11.57 | airtonix | Neffi: devpad is pretty good |
| 05:12.03 | airtonix | been around a long time |
| 05:12.03 | Gethe | i have the UI textures at https://github.com/Gethe/wow-ui-textures |
| 05:12.06 | Neffi | yeah, I love DevPad |
| 05:12.07 | frostic | wow that was so fast ur amazing lol |
| 05:12.30 | airtonix | my name isn't ur |
| 05:12.39 | airtonix | sorry to disapoint |
| 05:13.31 | Mr_Rabies | Gethe: any clue where the frames for the built in "power/weakauras" thing are? |
| 05:13.39 | Neffi | lemme know if it works |
| 05:13.44 | Neffi | might be a typo or some shit in there |
| 05:13.51 | Neffi | i can't test it. i don't have wow installed |
| 05:15.17 | Neffi | frostic: sorry, use this one http://pastebin.com/qHBwLj4p |
| 05:15.30 | Neffi | the last one didn't check if the spell was vampiric touch, so it would go off on every spell |
| 05:18.27 | frostic | do i put this devpad into my wow addond folder then run wow and load it? |
| 05:18.48 | Neffi | yes |
| 05:18.52 | Neffi | DevPad is an addon |
| 05:18.59 | frostic | ok sorry im a nob |
| 05:19.02 | Neffi | It lets you run scripts from it |
| 05:19.07 | Semlar | puts neffi in his addons folder |
| 05:19.07 | frostic | nice |
| 05:19.09 | Neffi | It's also a very handy in-game notepad |
| 05:19.30 | Neffi | If you enable the arrow next to a script's name, it will automatically run when you log on |
| 05:19.41 | Neffi | ~lart Semlar |
| 05:19.41 | purl | gives Semlar a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 05:19.58 | Semlar | no! |
| 05:20.03 | airtonix | nice |
| 05:20.04 | Neffi | mwahahahahaha |
| 05:20.09 | airtonix | that was nice |
| 05:20.10 | Semlar | wait, double nothing? |
| 05:20.39 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlY7Sc-FKyk |
| 05:20.49 | Neffi | purl is not very good at math |
| 05:21.24 | Semlar | i can live with that |
| 05:27.30 | Neffi | Shirik: I don't know if it's intentionally ridiculous, because I don't understand the German, but enable the translated captions on that video |
| 05:27.59 | Neffi | it's pretty out there |
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| 05:39.51 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:39.57 | Shirik | it says both Warren Buffet and Zuckerberg |
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| 05:59.40 | Fisker | kisses Shirik good night |
| 05:59.47 | Shirik | pets Fisker |
| 06:01.16 | Fisker | why? |
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| 06:13.12 | frostic | omg i log in to mass guild drama oi ill test this in a sec lol] |
| 06:18.12 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 06:18.16 | frostic | im guessing i must type it in? i cant paste it lol |
| 06:18.23 | airtonix | no lol rofl |
| 06:18.31 | airtonix | lmao |
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| 06:24.22 | frostic | when i click creat new script nothing happens? |
| 06:30.29 | Sintacks | woot. |
| 06:34.20 | Sintacks | i made a batchfile in Send To that makes a symlink in my Lite UI folder, to the FUll UI folder's addon file... so that I can send to addon folder, and then make a symlink to the lite ui folder when i install an addon from WoWI and not curse. but i'd still need to go make the symlink if i do it with curse bleh. |
| 06:34.27 | Sintacks | or download it and instally it manually |
| 06:35.10 | airtonix | you can't make symlinks with .bat files only junctions |
| 06:36.24 | Sintacks | you can make symlinks |
| 06:36.49 | airtonix | oh so windows has : ln -s source target now ? |
| 06:36.54 | airtonix | nice |
| 06:37.32 | Fisker | has had for years |
| 06:37.42 | airtonix | except they're called junctions? |
| 06:37.51 | Fisker | no |
| 06:38.04 | Fisker | junctions are hardlinks |
| 06:38.24 | Fisker | which they have had for decades |
| 06:41.47 | Sintacks | cd C:\Games\World of Warcraft\ |
| 06:41.47 | Sintacks | rmdir WTF\Account\ |
| 06:41.47 | Sintacks | rmdir Interface\Addons\ |
| 06:41.47 | Sintacks | mklink /D WTF\Account "D:\Games\World of Warcraft Link Folder\Account.Full" |
| 06:41.47 | Sintacks | mklink /D Interface\AddOns "C:\Games\World of Warcraft\Interface\AddOns.Full" |
| 06:41.55 | Sintacks | that's one of my batchfiles to switch UIs |
| 06:46.57 | frostic | anyway to run this script without devpad? i cant seem to get devpad to work. seems like i might have a conflicting plugin or something. it dont work for some odd reason |
| 06:48.23 | Gethe | I use Git to switch between UI. One branch for each. |
| 06:48.58 | Gethe | its alot easier to manage than links i think |
| 06:56.54 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/mTJE5F9K |
| 07:02.51 | airtonix | Gethe: sshh logic has no place at redmond |
| 07:03.03 | airtonix | begone you foul heretic |
| 07:05.44 | Gethe | <3 logic |
| 07:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | the male countdown voice in dbm totally sounds like kevin conroy/batman |
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| 07:11.11 | Gethe | it's Koltrane from the Convert to Raid podcast |
| 07:16.39 | Mr_Rabies | whoa |
| 07:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | he seriously sounds like kevin conroy |
| 07:16.49 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI9SPtGazrI on this too |
| 07:17.12 | Mr_Rabies | like, batman: TAS kevin conroy, not quite the gruffness of the later batman voice |
| 07:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | (didn't actually watch the video past the intro) |
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| 07:22.32 | airtonix | read title, not article |
| 07:34.47 | Shirik | noooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 07:34.54 | Shirik | "Shipper tendered the shipment to UPS after the latest pickup time for the requested service. A day delay is likely." |
| 07:34.58 | Shirik | fu best buy |
| 07:38.56 | airtonix | you can go a day without your juiceblender4000 |
| 07:40.25 | Fisker | yes Shirik |
| 07:40.26 | Fisker | YES |
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| 08:33.51 | bleeter | and another thing that's shittying me about LFR. There's no Whoopee Cushion object to use when the group is on 3+ stacks of Determination and half the raid is still qq the only thing that'll save them are fart noises you know I'm right |
| 08:34.46 | bleeter | Shirik: SOONH |
| 08:34.51 | bleeter | d/H/ |
| 08:36.16 | bleeter | but seriously, nice work with the Quest items foo, Blizz lurkers. I know I've got quest crap in my bank still from Vanilla because I'm all 'maybe on day it'll come in useful' (yes, I'm a bit of a hoarder IRC and so thanks from us hoarders :)( |
| 08:37.07 | bleeter | and +1 on the heirlooms thing. It'll actually make the 9th anniversary gift useful! ;) |
| 08:38.55 | bleeter | hopefully there'll be some way to get 'back' certain quest rewards that folks may have deleted for space that can be confirmed as receivable (eg, Dartol's Rod) |
| 08:39.35 | bleeter | all in all, a most wonderful set of announcements there. I give it a 4/5. Well donfolks *tacklehugs* |
| 08:42.07 | bleeter | Fisker: |
| 08:42.34 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 08:43.06 | bleeter | how's you, mate? |
| 08:43.16 | Fisker | good |
| 08:47.25 | bleeter | :( |
| 08:47.31 | Fisker | :(? |
| 08:47.39 | karl_w_w | wow twinkies are so disappointing |
| 08:48.22 | bleeter | karl_w_w: if you want disapponting US sweet stuff, compare Oreo to Tim-Tam ;) |
| 08:48.35 | karl_w_w | they are too different to compare |
| 08:49.06 | bleeter | one can still try to slam both and compare results! |
| 08:52.19 | karl_w_w | i wonder if I can get my local chippy to deep fry one |
| 08:54.32 | Mr_Rabies | twinkies are more of an experience than a foodstuff |
| 08:54.50 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 08:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | once a year to remember |
| 08:54.55 | Shirik | they're pretty good for stuffing your food hole |
| 08:55.08 | amro | so is snow |
| 08:55.18 | amro | except snow tastes better |
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| 08:57.42 | karl_w_w | yeah twinkies taste like a nice cake which have been treated with a nice misting of whatever that liquid is they use in things like magic 8 balls |
| 09:00.03 | bleeter | in other news, I've noticed twice now in 24 hours that Blizz still ain't fixed the problem with dead lootable bodies stuck halfway down a cliff/wall face |
| 09:02.48 | bleeter | s/fixed/solved/ |
| 09:11.53 | karl_w_w | ok guys without making epic spoilers, if my tali died in mass effect 2 (nobody else), is that gonna be a problem if I import that save? |
| 09:12.06 | karl_w_w | or is it worth me doing the suicide mission again |
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| 09:39.41 | bleeter | karl_w_w: has been so long, I have nfi sorry |
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| 11:10.58 | Sintacks | foxlit, what's the point of this Forward addon ... |
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| 11:47.31 | Sintacks | just saw an addon that gave me an idea for an addon that i would never be able to make |
| 11:47.35 | Sintacks | or would never actually finish |
| 11:48.18 | Semlar | such is life |
| 11:48.25 | Sintacks | for an enchanter: if someone opens trade and puts a piece of gear in the will not be traded, show buttons to enchant the piece of gear for a predefined list of enchants. |
| 11:49.07 | Sintacks | so if it's a weapon, you'll see dancing steel, jade spirit, river's song, colossus, windsong, and elemental force |
| 11:49.25 | Sintacks | chest would see stats stam spirit, maybe resil |
| 11:49.53 | Sintacks | and clicking the spell would either give you the glowing hand, or put it on the item, if it can be done like that |
| 11:50.24 | Semlar | i'm sure it could be applied |
| 11:50.52 | Semlar | i would make it just a context menu for the item in the slot |
| 11:51.06 | Sintacks | i have an addon that does the same concept for lockboxs, (but it just brings up a button for Unlock that casts the spell.. nothing more or any detection, so it always shows) |
| 11:51.15 | Sintacks | that would be cool too |
| 11:52.14 | Sintacks | k. i got D3 and BF3 back on the SSD properly and deleted the old WoW install |
| 11:52.21 | Sintacks | and i somehow have more free space than i started with |
| 11:52.35 | Sintacks | even after keeping \interface\ on my SSD (which is 450MB) and used to be on my HDD |
| 12:12.20 | karl_w_w | the easiest thing to do would just be open the enchanting list with the filter on for that kind of gear |
| 12:17.31 | Semlar | i'm not actually sure you can |
| 12:17.46 | Semlar | the only way to open the stupid enchanting window is to cast a spell |
| 12:18.03 | Semlar | and i think that requires a hardware event |
| 12:19.08 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 12:19.29 | Semlar | in fact i don't think you can even scan over what enchants the player has without having opened that window |
| 12:20.02 | Semlar | it's an impressively bad system |
| 12:20.49 | Semlar | i think you could probably add a button to the trade window that would open the enchant window for you |
| 12:32.07 | Sintacks | if you cn do that, you could make it go to that armor type |
| 12:51.47 | Sintacks | so with bagnon, trying to open the bankframe (via keybind) while in combat makes bags break... completely. requiring a reload |
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| 13:20.12 | karl_w_w | no bag addon works in combat I think Sintacks |
| 13:20.22 | karl_w_w | for the initial bag open |
| 13:20.29 | nevcairiel | i never had any issues |
| 13:20.32 | Semlar | why you startin fights in the bank anyway |
| 13:20.32 | nevcairiel | but maybe i never did it |
| 13:20.56 | karl_w_w | if you open ark inventory bags for the first time in combat it doesnt work |
| 13:21.08 | karl_w_w | it recovers when you're out of combat though |
| 13:21.15 | nevcairiel | i use combuctor and i'm quite sure this case would've come up before |
| 13:21.22 | karl_w_w | doesn't the bag consist of a bunch of action buttons? |
| 13:21.40 | Semlar | pretty much |
| 13:21.58 | nevcairiel | dont think you need secure buttons to use the bags |
| 13:22.01 | karl_w_w | my guess is it generates on login nevcairiel |
| 13:22.10 | nevcairiel | or combuctor recycles the blizz bags |
| 13:22.20 | Semlar | i think sorting would be your biggest issue in combat |
| 13:22.33 | Semlar | otherwise it wouldn't be a problem |
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| 13:24.47 | karl_w_w | can you choose where to install on origin |
| 13:24.52 | karl_w_w | or is it like old steam |
| 13:29.58 | foxlit | Sintacks: I thought the addon description made that relatively clear -- the point is to toggle autorun from an actionbar. Maybe you hate bindings. |
| 13:34.04 | Sintacks | so a way for clickers to just keep clicking... |
| 13:35.07 | Sintacks | karl_w_w/nevcairiel: bags had been opened already (and were open when I tried to open bank) but were broken after being closed. |
| 13:36.06 | Sintacks | and yes, you can choose where to install with origin. but you have to do that, by setting your install location. which you can chagne later. but it's meh. |
| 13:36.16 | Sintacks | it's not like current steam where you can have options and you pick one hwne you install |
| 13:36.45 | Sintacks | unrelated to current topics: i wish you could download an addon to look at code without adding to the download count |
| 13:37.17 | karl_w_w | tough! |
| 13:37.19 | karl_w_w | also, why? |
| 13:37.41 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:37.49 | Sintacks | cuz it's an addon i think is stupid but i want to see how it's even doing it |
| 13:38.05 | Semlar | still counts |
| 13:38.23 | Sintacks | (it being, WoWNotifier, that you can have an app on your computer send you a push notifacation when a queue pops.. which is weird and i wanted to know how the hell it would work) |
| 13:38.26 | karl_w_w | the download counter is there to count downloads |
| 13:38.30 | Sintacks | it takes a screenshot when a queue pops |
| 13:38.59 | foxlit | amateurs. |
| 13:39.08 | foxlit | Clearly you should turn on the taint log and go on a rampage when the queue pops. |
| 13:39.17 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:39.21 | Semlar | why would you even need this |
| 13:39.21 | Fisker | I'll go on a rampage without |
| 13:39.29 | foxlit | rampagepartiet, Fisker? |
| 13:39.32 | Sintacks | print("WoWNotifier detected a LFG/LFR/Scenario pop. Sending notification...") |
| 13:39.32 | Sintacks | TakeScreenshot(); |
| 13:39.34 | Semlar | you can enable sound in the background |
| 13:39.35 | Fisker | sure foxlit |
| 13:39.52 | Sintacks | so that means you have some app running on your computer looking at all your screenshots... |
| 13:39.53 | Fisker | I'll I was thinking about drawing a pretty picture though |
| 13:39.57 | Fisker | But rampagepartiet works |
| 13:39.59 | karl_w_w | if you enjoy music that doesn't always work Semlar |
| 13:40.00 | Sintacks | And, the iOS/Droid app costs money |
| 13:40.58 | karl_w_w | i wish wow had an official app for things like that |
| 13:41.03 | Semlar | it would not be difficult to make the notification louder than your music |
| 13:41.23 | karl_w_w | along with everything else |
| 13:41.28 | foxlit | you're not thinking big enough, Semlar. |
| 13:41.37 | karl_w_w | maybe you don't even have your headphones on at the time |
| 13:41.42 | foxlit | The problem isn't that you're not paying attention to wow. The problem is that you're literally in China when the queue pops. |
| 13:41.50 | Semlar | if you're willing to download an app for this you can make an addon that ONLY played the notifications you were interested in |
| 13:42.15 | karl_w_w | maybe you're not even at your PC! |
| 13:42.20 | foxlit | but with a timely notification to your cell phone, you can still make it back to Japan before the LFR kick cooldown expires. |
| 13:42.33 | Semlar | i don't even |
| 13:43.10 | Sintacks | i'm just glad the protected accepting a queue |
| 13:43.14 | Sintacks | so you don't have afk fucks when you get in |
| 13:43.46 | karl_w_w | maybe you're hanging out washing when the queue pops |
| 13:43.48 | karl_w_w | what then? |
| 13:43.54 | Semlar | i had made an addon automatically enter dungeons for you the same day they added that |
| 13:44.03 | Semlar | that was way back in wrath |
| 13:44.51 | Semlar | it took them a while to change that |
| 13:45.36 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:45.50 | Sintacks | there's still ways to get around it tha tpeople use |
| 13:45.52 | Sintacks | ;| |
| 13:46.00 | Semlar | oh yeah? |
| 13:46.23 | mitch0 | auto-fire joystick! |
| 13:46.34 | Sintacks | could do it with shit like that |
| 13:46.50 | Semlar | well, you could literally just call the api function directly back then |
| 13:47.06 | Sintacks | since it's just a hardware event. make a razer macro (or whatever you have) that hits a button every 35 seconds (cuz there'd be no way to miss a queue with that small amount of time) |
| 13:47.06 | foxlit | the drinking bird is clearly an exploit. |
| 13:47.16 | Sintacks | you can still call the function, but it has to be hardware |
| 13:47.40 | Sintacks | so a macro pressing a button, that does a macro in the game to do it... would do it |
| 13:47.44 | Sintacks | i could haave said that better |
| 13:47.47 | Sintacks | but idgaf |
| 13:48.05 | Semlar | macros for your macros!? |
| 13:48.09 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:48.23 | foxlit | but that's basically an external attack, which is boring. |
| 13:48.31 | Semlar | yes |
| 13:48.34 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:48.43 | foxlit | You could get a program to play wow for you; accepting a queue is hardly impressive. |
| 13:48.44 | Semlar | you have to be able to do it with an addon |
| 13:48.59 | foxlit | </hipster-addon-expoilters> |
| 13:49.02 | Sintacks | :| i've missed dungeon queues while sitting at the computer before... |
| 13:49.12 | Semlar | that's a pretty slow reaction time |
| 13:49.28 | foxlit | or some really engaging... content. |
| 13:49.33 | Semlar | oo |
| 13:49.34 | Sintacks | dat fapfapfap |
| 13:49.38 | Sintacks | was too importants |
| 13:50.54 | Semlar | i don't know, those queues can be pretty long |
| 13:51.01 | foxlit | psst, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIlELJ0YsVM |
| 13:52.53 | foxlit | For five internet points, guess why the video is interesting. |
| 13:53.17 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure i've seen this before |
| 13:53.30 | Semlar | but i don't remember if it was an addon or a macro |
| 13:55.19 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/wowqr |
| 13:55.19 | Sintacks | lol wat |
| 13:56.06 | Semlar | wouldn't it be easier to just use your other monitor |
| 13:56.41 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:56.44 | Sintacks | foxlit, wtf is that |
| 13:57.42 | Sintacks | o. i see description now |
| 13:57.44 | foxlit | GW2 has an option to cast AoE spells at the cursor's present location. |
| 13:57.53 | Sintacks | that would be cool i guess |
| 13:57.58 | foxlit | I'm suggesting wow should copy that. |
| 13:57.59 | Sintacks | what's it do if you are activly mouse turning? |
| 13:58.18 | Semlar | cast at the cursor? |
| 13:58.54 | foxlit | it seems that the oh-so-clever subtext remains a mystery. |
| 13:59.16 | Semlar | what subtext |
| 13:59.35 | foxlit | precisely my point. It may be too oh-so-clever for its own good. |
| 13:59.47 | Semlar | or nobody cares |
| 13:59.51 | foxlit | I presume GW2 would still cast the spell at the (invisible) cursor's location. |
| 14:00.51 | Sintacks | would make sense |
| 14:00.53 | Sintacks | just wondered |
| 14:00.59 | foxlit | could be that, too. I like the other interpretation better. |
| 14:01.25 | Semlar | here, come up with a way to make nameplates you can click through in combat without making the cursor and tooltip go crazy |
| 14:01.43 | Semlar | this is going to give me a seizure |
| 14:01.56 | Sintacks | so you want to see nameplates, but not be able to click them? |
| 14:02.08 | Semlar | i want to be able to click what's under them |
| 14:02.12 | Sintacks | that actually sounds interesting |
| 14:02.28 | karl_w_w | fuck it this is too much |
| 14:02.51 | Semlar | which i can do, it just makes the cursor and tooltip switch repeatedly |
| 14:02.57 | karl_w_w | I was gonna buy mass effect 3 but EA obviously doesn't want me to |
| 14:03.03 | Semlar | because i'm toggling the nameplates on an off |
| 14:03.08 | karl_w_w | pirate bay it is |
| 14:03.34 | foxlit | why don't you just invert the polarity, Semlar? |
| 14:03.44 | Semlar | because it's not a magnet |
| 14:03.56 | foxlit | there's bound to be a magnet in there somewhere. |
| 14:04.02 | foxlit | all magic is powered by magnets, you know. |
| 14:04.10 | Semlar | plus i don't even know how they work |
| 14:05.20 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.36 | Semlar | which is not really ideal |
| 14:05.56 | foxlit | I don't do nameplates, really. |
| 14:06.09 | foxlit | Too much "here, enumerate some random unnamed children of the world frame" |
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| 14:07.02 | Semlar | i can sort of counter it by copying what was in the tooltip and refilling it every other frame but i don't know if it's possible to figure out what the cursor icon was set to |
| 14:07.11 | Semlar | and either way that's a pretty horrible solution |
| 14:07.31 | Fisker | so who did you vote for foxlit ? |
| 14:08.09 | foxlit | did the pirates run? |
| 14:08.19 | Semlar | pirates never run |
| 14:08.31 | Semlar | or maybe it was always.. |
| 14:09.02 | Semlar | i guess they do spend most of their time running |
| 14:10.20 | Semlar | should i add a key to disable this if you want to click on friendly nameplates for some reason |
| 14:10.36 | Semlar | maybe holding shift |
| 14:12.07 | Sintacks | i wish nameplates didn't restrick addons shaking the screen |
| 14:12.34 | Sintacks | hmm. what happens if your screen is being shaken, when you enter combatlockdown... |
| 14:12.38 | Sintacks | does it get stuck off center... |
| 14:12.52 | Semlar | how do you shake the screen |
| 14:12.57 | Sintacks | move the viewport |
| 14:12.58 | Sintacks | (i think) |
| 14:13.35 | Sintacks | omen, bigwigs, dbm (at the least) have options for it, but can't do it if you have nameplates (or have had them on at all) |
| 14:13.39 | Semlar | i don't think you can resize or move the worldframe in combat |
| 14:14.13 | Funkeh` | nothing can shake the screen, it's secure at login since 5.2 |
| 14:14.24 | Sintacks | then how does omen do it ... |
| 14:14.39 | Funkeh` | I don't use Omen so I don't know |
| 14:14.43 | Semlar | i would have to see it |
| 14:14.52 | zenzio | oh, nice... PHP supports <> in addition to !=, because why not |
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| 14:15.04 | Sintacks | also: holy shit @ Garrosh trash in LFR where everyone is AoE'ing.. ther eare 50+ mobs here... so that's 50+ combatlog lines for every attack some people are doing ...... |
| 14:15.12 | Semlar | why would you even want it shaking your screen |
| 14:15.31 | Sintacks | it's another method of notifacation |
| 14:15.32 | Sintacks | fuck typing |
| 14:16.25 | zenzio | I remember being so impressed when I started WoW and noticed that the screen shook a little if you were near kodos when they walked |
| 14:16.37 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:16.54 | Funkeh` | you can /dump WorldFrame:IsProtected() at login |
| 14:16.57 | Funkeh` | it's always 1 now |
| 14:17.08 | Semlar | can't you rotate the camera |
| 14:17.23 | Semlar | not sure if it lets you do it in combat |
| 14:17.33 | Semlar | i know there's an addon that rotates your camera while you're afk |
| 14:17.38 | Sintacks | io have one |
| 14:17.44 | Sintacks | there are three that i know of |
| 14:17.54 | Funkeh` | then maybe that's how it "shakes" it |
| 14:17.55 | Semlar | if you can move the camera you could just shake it back and forth |
| 14:18.01 | Funkeh` | I removed it from BW since it wasn't possible anymore |
| 14:18.23 | Sintacks | omen can still shake (without nameplates) so idk |
| 14:18.38 | Funkeh` | you've said that already and I responded to it above |
| 14:18.49 | Sintacks | MoveViewRightStart(0.05) |
| 14:18.53 | Sintacks | is how afkspinner works |
| 14:19.24 | Semlar | i can't think of a single reason why nameplates would have any impact on shaking the screen |
| 14:19.40 | Sintacks | something about making the worldframe secure |
| 14:19.47 | Sintacks | is what i was told a year or two or something ago |
| 14:19.53 | Semlar | the nameplates MAKE the worldframe secure? |
| 14:19.58 | Semlar | it should just be secure |
| 14:20.05 | Sintacks | idk. |
| 14:20.09 | Sintacks | that might be how it used to be |
| 14:20.17 | foxlit | you mean "protected", not "secure". |
| 14:20.23 | Semlar | stop that |
| 14:20.30 | Sintacks | maybe |
| 14:20.30 | Sintacks | idk |
| 14:20.50 | foxlit | and nameplates indeed make no difference, since WorldFrame is already explicitly protected as Funkeh` pointed out. |
| 14:21.32 | Funkeh` | they used to |
| 14:21.35 | Funkeh` | pre 5.2 |
| 14:21.44 | Funkeh` | now it's flat out at login |
| 14:21.51 | Funkeh` | that's what he's remembering |
| 14:22.00 | Sintacks | would make sense |
| 14:22.19 | Funkeh` | we used to tell people not to enable them if they wanted shake alerts |
| 14:22.26 | Semlar | that seems like something that would have been protected long before 5.2 |
| 14:22.45 | foxlit | heh, it's cheating. |
| 14:22.49 | Sintacks | if WorldFrame:IsProtected() and InCombatLockdown() then |
| 14:22.57 | Sintacks | first major if in omen |
| 14:23.32 | Funkeh` | so it's moving them out of combat? |
| 14:23.39 | Sintacks | yes |
| 14:23.39 | Funkeh` | s/them/it |
| 14:23.46 | Funkeh` | that's why :) |
| 14:24.22 | Funkeh` | I'm not sure how you have a threat situation out of combat though |
| 14:24.41 | Semlar | >_> |
| 14:24.46 | Sintacks | turning off nameplates and disabling tidyplates |
| 14:25.42 | foxlit | and nameplates are also cheating. |
| 14:26.02 | Semlar | cheating at what |
| 14:26.31 | foxlit | hit detection. |
| 14:26.39 | Sintacks | wat |
| 14:26.42 | Funkeh` | ..? |
| 14:26.43 | Semlar | i would love for nameplates to not be clickable |
| 14:26.58 | Semlar | they're in the way more than they help anything |
| 14:27.12 | Sintacks | i just wish clicking on them was accurate |
| 14:27.22 | Sintacks | if i click on a nameplate, i expect to target the god damn thing |
| 14:27.35 | Funkeh` | works fine for the blizz ones :P |
| 14:27.46 | Semlar | they're only helpful for targeting things behind a wall or something |
| 14:28.03 | Sintacks | i've even had issues with blizzard plates |
| 14:28.41 | Sintacks | k. even with nameplates never on, can't shake. sadface |
| 14:28.45 | Semlar | that particular issue wouldn't change between the blizzard nameplates or addons |
| 14:28.55 | Sintacks | makes ticket on omen to completely remove that big of hte addon cuz it's useless |
| 14:29.03 | Semlar | there are no nameplate addons that affect nameplate clickability |
| 14:29.14 | foxlit | they seem about as real as opie rings; it seems like it's actually worldframe that handles the click/mouseover logic. |
| 14:30.04 | Semlar | the worldframe handles nameplate clicks |
| 14:30.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~resa1983@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 14:30.27 | Semlar | you're literally just clicking on the worldframe |
| 14:30.51 | Sintacks | since tehy made it so you can't shake the worldframe... they should add something that actually does it that's secure |
| 14:30.52 | foxlit | see, it'd make more sense if they were actually <button>s |
| 14:30.58 | Semlar | yes, yes it would |
| 14:31.53 | Semlar | although it made sense that they did it this way i just can't remember my reasoning behind that |
| 14:32.20 | Semlar | something about the layering or something |
| 14:32.34 | Semlar | i don't know, it's too early for thinking |
| 14:33.37 | foxlit | or even if worldframe just respected hit rectangle insets. |
| 14:33.44 | foxlit | You should write that as a bug report |
| 14:33.49 | Semlar | i mean the part that didn't make sense was making the visible portion a frame in the first place |
| 14:35.09 | Semlar | their names are part of the game world |
| 14:35.28 | Semlar | damage numbers and such are completely separate from the ui |
| 14:35.37 | foxlit | so their renderer can draw text. |
| 14:35.46 | Semlar | i don't know why they made nameplates part of it |
| 14:35.56 | Semlar | i'm not saying it's a bad thing |
| 14:36.04 | Semlar | i just don't know their reasoning behind it |
| 14:36.04 | foxlit | making it do fancy progress bars and animations seems kind of redundant when the UI renderer is right there. |
| 14:37.41 | Semlar | also summoning a companion should really not trigger a gcd |
| 14:37.50 | Sintacks | i'm still supprised they added casting bars to nameplates as part of the default |
| 14:38.02 | foxlit | why? Those are nice. |
| 14:39.15 | Sintacks | i know |
| 14:39.20 | Sintacks | i like it |
| 14:39.23 | Sintacks | it just supprised me |
| 14:44.01 | Semlar | nameplate castbars have the minor inconvenience of not knowing whether they're filling up or emptying without tracking its progress across multiple frames |
| 14:44.39 | foxlit | not a human problem, that. |
| 14:44.54 | Semlar | well, i added "time left" to mine and it has to figure that out first |
| 14:45.01 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/tHzLKap |
| 14:46.24 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:46.28 | Sintacks | i saw the first one (with apple) |
| 14:46.36 | Sintacks | hadn't seen the doctor part |
| 14:46.54 | mikma | but it's quite accurate |
| 14:47.09 | Semlar | is it |
| 14:47.31 | Semlar | i didn't realize dr who fans were religiously fanatical about it |
| 14:47.46 | Sintacks | i really should cleanup my downloads folder... |
| 14:49.48 | zenzio | yeah, every so often you need to categorize your porn |
| 14:50.01 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/tbRu7Mw |
| 14:51.11 | Semlar | why do people care what other people eat |
| 14:51.39 | Sintacks | same reason people care about what other people * |
| 14:51.53 | Semlar | why can't we all just get along |
| 14:51.56 | mikma | let's not eat other people |
| 14:52.48 | zenzio | depends what kind |
| 14:53.22 | Semlar | babies? |
| 14:53.23 | mikma | the delicious kind |
| 14:54.15 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/realmchecker |
| 14:54.16 | Sintacks | lol wat |
| 14:55.05 | Semlar | i tried this do this once, it didn't work very well |
| 14:55.16 | Semlar | at all |
| 14:55.16 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/questplates |
| 14:55.20 | Sintacks | that actaully seems cool |
| 14:55.21 | Semlar | hey |
| 14:55.23 | Semlar | stop that |
| 14:55.34 | Sintacks | i'm-a totally going to use that |
| 14:55.41 | Semlar | get away from my questplates! |
| 14:55.45 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:55.49 | Sintacks | i hadn't even noticed it was yours |
| 14:55.55 | Semlar | >_> |
| 14:55.55 | Sintacks | until you said that and i looked lol |
| 14:56.12 | Semlar | i mean yeah that guy's a genius |
| 14:56.48 | jleclanche | who was the silverdragon dev hanging out here? |
| 14:57.04 | mikma | is skyrim any good |
| 14:57.30 | Semlar | i think it started with a k |
| 14:57.54 | Sintacks | god damnit. someone tell me to get off curse and wowi before i have 300+ addons again |
| 14:58.11 | Semlar | don't tell me what to tell you! |
| 14:59.00 | Semlar | questplates really didn't get as much attention as i thought it would |
| 14:59.05 | Semlar | oh well |
| 14:59.43 | Semlar | it sure made questing easier for me |
| 14:59.54 | Sintacks | i guess no one saw it |
| 14:59.56 | Sintacks | cuz tis ounds awesome |
| 15:00.01 | zenzio | jleclanche: Kemayo, if I am to trust my logs |
| 15:00.03 | Sintacks | now i need to find a quest |
| 15:00.30 | Semlar | you have to either hover over the mob or see it in the combat log though |
| 15:00.39 | Sintacks | oh hey. you're the one that made crack cd... |
| 15:00.43 | Sintacks | which i helped debug once |
| 15:00.44 | Semlar | in my version i made the database permanent |
| 15:00.49 | Sintacks | cuz there was somethin weird with stealth CD |
| 15:00.52 | Sintacks | on a PTR build |
| 15:01.20 | Sintacks | in your personal version? |
| 15:01.23 | Sintacks | how big is the db? |
| 15:01.40 | Semlar | well, it keeps track of every mob you've ever encountered so |
| 15:02.12 | Semlar | it actually isn't as bad as it sounds |
| 15:02.38 | Semlar | but in the live version it doesn't keep a persistent database |
| 15:02.51 | Sintacks | y not |
| 15:03.50 | Semlar | it just makes it so when you reload it doesn't require you to hover over a mob to start tracking it for quest information again |
| 15:04.05 | Semlar | which didn't seem like enough of a reason to keep a giant database |
| 15:04.29 | Semlar | especially since a lot of stuff you would never even see again |
| 15:04.37 | Sintacks | did they fix prental controls in 5.4.2 yet? |
| 15:05.11 | Semlar | it only really makes much of a difference for daily quests and such |
| 15:05.39 | Sintacks | herpderp. helps when you actually restart when you install a new addon... |
| 15:05.53 | Semlar | it was the biggest pain in the ass trying to write this in a way that would support all the different kinds of nameplate addons |
| 15:06.52 | Sintacks | could have made a bunch of LoD dbs that load when you have certain quests.llolol |
| 15:07.16 | Sintacks | that 11 is in a weird ass spot with tidyplates... lol |
| 15:07.25 | Semlar | you can move it |
| 15:07.54 | Sintacks | Message: ..\AddOns\TidyPlates\TidyPlatesCore.lua line 251: |
| 15:07.55 | Semlar | by typing /qp move |
| 15:07.55 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.59 | Sintacks | D: |
| 15:08.03 | Semlar | wat |
| 15:08.12 | Sintacks | that came up when i did /qp move |
| 15:08.13 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:08.30 | Semlar | maybe my fake nameplate is missing something |
| 15:08.53 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/014JTXhi |
| 15:08.57 | Sintacks | full error, if you care to look |
| 15:08.59 | Semlar | probably a lot of things, i'm pretty sure i didn't duplicate the entire nameplate |
| 15:09.30 | Sintacks | and there isn'te vena fake tidyplate plate visable to see where the number/progress will be on a nameplate |
| 15:09.39 | Semlar | it's only supposed to trick your nameplate addon into styling it |
| 15:09.53 | Sintacks | ah. well it broke complete and isn't showing one :( |
| 15:09.59 | Semlar | great |
| 15:10.07 | Semlar | it worked when i wrote it |
| 15:10.43 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/ZFcGMTt.png |
| 15:10.47 | Semlar | i wonder if it's because they added castbars |
| 15:11.06 | Semlar | yeah that's supposed to look like your nameplates |
| 15:11.16 | Semlar | not be invisible |
| 15:11.33 | Semlar | frankly it's impressive that it's invisible since it means tidyplates hid it |
| 15:11.55 | Neffi | it ain't easy bein' cheesy |
| 15:12.31 | Semlar | i'll have to look into it at some point i guess |
| 15:12.39 | Sintacks | i had to go find a mob to move it. =p |
| 15:12.48 | Semlar | ah well |
| 15:12.54 | Semlar | good enough |
| 15:13.02 | Sintacks | progress isn't showing.. or it's not supposed to. or something. al i'm getting is a number |
| 15:13.18 | Semlar | the text part is hidden by default |
| 15:13.24 | Sintacks | ohh |
| 15:13.26 | Sintacks | how i show |
| 15:13.28 | Semlar | i wasn't even going to leave it in |
| 15:13.35 | Sintacks | i should read the thing tha it prints |
| 15:13.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.52 | Sintacks | hehe. it's so cute |
| 15:14.04 | Semlar | originally that was all it displayed but when i added the little icon i hid the text |
| 15:14.26 | Semlar | i created the icon because the text could get out of hand |
| 15:14.52 | Semlar | like when the nameplates got stacked up or there was a ton of text or something |
| 15:15.00 | Sintacks | hmm. isn't showing on these mobs at all |
| 15:15.13 | Sintacks | ohhh |
| 15:15.15 | Sintacks | it is... but it's tiny |
| 15:15.15 | Semlar | are they mini? |
| 15:15.26 | Sintacks | interesting |
| 15:15.30 | Semlar | it's designed to work with the default nameplatse |
| 15:15.42 | Semlar | so it scales with them |
| 15:15.42 | Sintacks | yea. they were the smaller plates |
| 15:16.09 | Semlar | the only way around that would be to not scale with them and work with the addons that ignore the nameplate scale |
| 15:16.15 | Semlar | and then not work with the default nameplates |
| 15:17.36 | Semlar | i am not about to go back and write it in a way that detects which popular nameplate addon you're running and figure out how it should behave |
| 15:17.52 | Semlar | that was a nightmare |
| 15:19.01 | Sintacks | haha |
| 15:19.13 | Sintacks | and then you would have random requests for some unknown nameplate addon support |
| 15:19.44 | Semlar | this was the best compromise i could come up with and it WORKED until you broke it |
| 15:19.53 | Semlar | i hope you're happy |
| 15:20.09 | Sintacks | gotta delete it now that i broke it |
| 15:20.33 | Semlar | everything was just fine until you came along and pointed out there were bugs |
| 15:20.55 | Sintacks | so i finally figured out a way to make a send to batchfile for make a symlink. |
| 15:21.06 | Sintacks | when testing it, i had the wrong durs for the whole thing |
| 15:21.11 | Sintacks | and couldn't figure out why it wasn't working |
| 15:21.12 | Sintacks | :| |
| 15:21.14 | Sintacks | for 15 minutes |
| 15:21.35 | Sintacks | and it took two days to find a way to get the folder name of %1 without the fullpath.. |
| 15:21.49 | Semlar | i'm willing to bet more people who would download this addon run tidyplates than the default nameplates |
| 15:22.00 | Sintacks | prob |
| 15:23.07 | Semlar | how did you even run into this i haven't updated it in forever |
| 15:23.31 | Sintacks | Can you make it not purple? I F*#@ing hate purple. |
| 15:23.33 | Sintacks | lol'd |
| 15:23.50 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow?filter-project-sort=4&page=14 |
| 15:24.11 | Sintacks | i do the same on wowi sometimes |
| 15:24.14 | Sintacks | it's a bad habbit |
| 15:24.24 | Sintacks | and why i have a ton of addons that either do very little, or nothing important |
| 15:25.08 | Semlar | my addons don't usually need to be updated |
| 15:25.44 | Semlar | until blizzard breaks them |
| 15:25.56 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/pacemaker |
| 15:25.58 | Sintacks | lol'd |
| 15:26.15 | Semlar | that one changed a lot since its inception |
| 15:27.24 | Semlar | i hardly ever upload my addons |
| 15:27.24 | Sintacks | 9 min 'til servers go down. that means sleep time in an hour or two after procrastobation |
| 15:27.40 | Sintacks | i figure you are one of those guys that makes a lot of tiny addons that doesn't upload them |
| 15:27.45 | Semlar | people are always like do this, do that, why does this break my interface |
| 15:27.45 | Sintacks | cuz most poeple wouldn't have a use for them |
| 15:27.51 | Sintacks | lol |
| 15:27.53 | Sintacks | and that |
| 15:28.04 | Sintacks | have you heard of QuickTalents? |
| 15:28.08 | Semlar | why did this shard all my gear |
| 15:28.21 | Semlar | always with the complaining |
| 15:28.52 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/quick-talents |
| 15:28.54 | Sintacks | I loved the concept |
| 15:28.54 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 15:28.55 | Sintacks | but i didn't use it |
| 15:29.00 | Sintacks | because itw as always shown |
| 15:29.08 | Sintacks | and then someone else made a ldb for it |
| 15:29.32 | Semlar | although it seems like something i would make |
| 15:29.57 | Sintacks | as much as i switch talents this tier, i think i'll like having it |
| 15:29.59 | Semlar | down to the fact that you can't hide it |
| 15:30.03 | Sintacks | so much clicking required to change talents and glyphs |
| 15:30.52 | Semlar | there's also an addon that automatically changes your spec based on what zone you're in |
| 15:31.15 | Sintacks | does it start changing specs the second you zone in or something/ |
| 15:31.19 | Sintacks | cuz wouldn't it not work ifyou were moving |
| 15:31.53 | Semlar | i don't see why movement would matter |
| 15:32.04 | Sintacks | cuz changing specs is a cast |
| 15:32.06 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 15:32.10 | Sintacks | or do you mean loot spec |
| 15:32.11 | Semlar | no, talents |
| 15:32.14 | Sintacks | oo |
| 15:32.54 | Semlar | it's so you don't have to keep swapping things around for different bosses |
| 15:33.22 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 15:33.43 | Sintacks | I wonder how many "sell junk" addons there actually are |
| 15:34.51 | Semlar | i have one addon that automates a bunch of stuff for me that i just throw all that stuff into |
| 15:35.21 | Sintacks | like? |
| 15:36.31 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/grease-goblin |
| 15:36.35 | Sintacks | haha. |
| 15:36.48 | Sintacks | i use kgpanels scripting ability for that kind of stuff... |
| 15:37.03 | Sintacks | instead of making a twoline addon.. put it in a panels onload |
| 15:38.15 | Semlar | accepting and turning in quests |
| 15:38.21 | Semlar | vendoring and repairing |
| 15:38.42 | Semlar | automatically filling DELETE into those stupid popup boxes |
| 15:39.04 | Semlar | not asking me if i'm sure every time i convert justice points to honor |
| 15:39.05 | Fisker | I voted for you foxlit |
| 15:39.31 | foxlit | excellent. Today, Bornholm; Tomorrow, Skåne! |
| 15:40.09 | Sintacks | I use Turn In for quests and stuff like vendor with Jeeves (hold shift if i need my bank), Vendorizer for selling junk and repairs and restocking certain mats. i don't have anything for filling in the delete, but that sounds cool. so it doesn't bypass it? it just has it ready to click? |
| 15:40.29 | Fisker | I don't live in Bornholm foxlit |
| 15:40.29 | karl_w_w | .:Sintacks:. I wonder how many "sell junk" addons there actually are <- it doesn't matter, after sell-o-matic they are all redundant |
| 15:40.30 | Semlar | it just puts DELETE into the box for me |
| 15:40.33 | Fisker | do you? |
| 15:40.40 | Sintacks | lol karl_w_w |
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| 15:41.28 | foxlit | Fisker: certainly. Or maybe on a moon that's made of cheese. I forget. |
| 15:41.58 | Semlar | Sintacks: http://pastebin.com/8RU8tyw5 |
| 15:42.23 | Semlar | those are the relevant bits for that |
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| 16:58.14 | Fisker | why do you sneak Lopeppeppy ? |
| 16:58.24 | Lopeppeppy | Because that's what rogues do, Fisker. |
| 16:59.00 | Fisker | I usually just killed key members of parties doing world stuff and stealing their kill |
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| 17:06.33 | Silvanas | those lua guys should make lua 6.0, its such an awsome language i am sure there lots of request they could add : |
| 17:08.45 | Fisker | http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/01005/allan-stemmer_p__1005428m.jpg <-I wish I were this clever foxlit |
| 17:11.06 | TC-Work | You have lovely fingernails Fisker. |
| 17:11.20 | Fisker | thanks TC-Work |
| 17:11.23 | Fisker | how do you know though? |
| 17:11.30 | TC-Work | I was peeking |
| 17:15.44 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/ToPXa4J.jpg <-you so nasty TC-Work (nsfw) |
| 17:16.25 | TC-Work | heh |
| 17:17.21 | Stanzilla | wrong link Fisker |
| 17:17.30 | Fisker | nope |
| 17:17.32 | Fisker | or yes |
| 17:17.41 | Fisker | I fail :( |
| 17:17.48 | TC-Work | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/196qokcqa88kajpg/original.jpg |
| 17:18.01 | Fisker | commits seppuku |
| 17:18.12 | Fisker | picture related |
| 17:18.13 | TC-Work | you mean baconu |
| 17:18.15 | Fisker | almost |
| 17:20.25 | Neffi | did somebody say bacon? |
| 17:20.35 | TC-Work | Actually no. |
| 17:20.39 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/iHld1el.gif <-that is what I meant to link btw TC-Work |
| 17:20.43 | Fisker | also confirmed Stanzilla |
| 17:20.51 | Neffi | <Silvanas> those lua guys should make lua 6.0, its such an awsome language i am sure there lots of request they could add : |
| 17:21.00 | Neffi | that mentality is counter-Lua |
| 17:21.03 | Fisker | They should Neffi |
| 17:21.08 | Fisker | We're at like c++ 14.0 |
| 17:21.19 | Neffi | Lua is kept small and simplistic for a lot of reasons. It's awesome because of that. |
| 17:21.24 | Fisker | Lets make a new language with releases every month |
| 17:21.28 | Stanzilla | Fisker: my bug has been merged into another as a dupe and that other one has people working on it so I guess we're good |
| 17:21.38 | Neffi | Feature creep should be avoided. There are better languages if you want batteries-included, feature-rich |
| 17:21.40 | Neffi | Like Python |
| 17:22.29 | Neffi | now where's my god-damned bacon? |
| 17:22.38 | Fisker | now if nvidia could fix their damn installer |
| 17:24.45 | Neffi | Semlar: where's my bacon? |
| 17:25.06 | TC-Work | They have a large plate of bacon here at work. |
| 17:25.21 | Neffi | are you guys hiring? |
| 17:25.49 | TC-Work | Not for the VirProd dept. which is the department that has all of the bacon. |
| 17:26.08 | Neffi | drats |
| 17:26.33 | Neffi | I'm a simple man. Like Tyrion. All I want in the morning is bread, well-done bacon and dark ale. |
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| 17:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | Tyrion wants just a weee bit more than that. |
| 17:47.20 | Fisker | who is tyrion? |
| 17:48.01 | airtonix | someone beyond your paygrade |
| 17:49.27 | Neffi | Lopeppeppy: pun intentional? |
| 17:50.14 | Lopeppeppy | Well, not really... :) |
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| 17:51.11 | Neffi | Fisker: http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.12348982.0393/pp,375x360.u1.jpg |
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| 18:21.10 | Fisker | I get it Neffi |
| 18:21.15 | Fisker | silly shows |
| 18:22.57 | Neffi | you silly fisker |
| 18:23.28 | Fisker | I don't watch game of thrones pls |
| 18:23.59 | Neffi | is it nice under that rock? |
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| 18:26.24 | amro | silly Neffi, Fisker lives under a bridge |
| 18:26.59 | Neffi | my mistake |
| 18:27.29 | Fisker | Neither amro |
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| 19:31.21 | Stanzilla | Neffi: mozilla seems to disagree with you https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873626 |
| 19:34.34 | Neffi | then fuck their designers |
| 19:39.53 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/5nfca5U.gif |
| 19:40.50 | Fisker | Just what I was about to do |
| 19:41.55 | Neffi | hacks the Gibson. |
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| 20:09.18 | Neffi | wtf man. wtf. http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cpg/4201182312.html |
| 20:10.05 | Fisker | that guy comes quick Neffi |
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| 20:25.27 | Neffi | http://www.scei.co.jp/ps4-license/ |
| 20:25.39 | Neffi | PS4 runs FreeBSD |
| 20:25.44 | nevcairiel | old news |
| 20:26.06 | Neffi | new news to me |
| 20:26.26 | Neffi | It's kinda cool and I hope we can get root access somehow |
| 20:27.28 | Mr_Rabies | oh thank god their browser uses webkit |
| 20:27.50 | Mr_Rabies | maybe this one won't be a total nightmare |
| 20:28.53 | Neffi | I hope this means some of the effort somebody must've put into the Radeon drivers for this end up on real FreeBSD |
| 20:39.49 | Fisker | ps3 ran freebsd too |
| 20:40.05 | Fisker | so don't get your hopes up |
| 20:40.28 | Fisker | looks like they hired engineers this time and not lawyers |
| 20:42.27 | Neffi | FreeBSD could be installed on the PS3, but its stock OS was FreeBSD-based |
| 20:42.41 | Neffi | s/but its/but I don't think its/ |
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| 20:46.28 | Arrowmaster | i never realized hhgttg was so short, i started the audiobook yesterday and just finished it |
| 20:47.05 | nevcairiel | yes it is |
| 20:47.24 | Arrowmaster | it took me close to a month for each book of asoiaf |
| 20:48.06 | nevcairiel | i'm not certain how my audio books are cut from the asoiaf books, might be multiple per real book, but its usually pretty fast through |
| 20:48.22 | Neffi | ASoIaF ranges from 900-1200 pages |
| 20:48.29 | Neffi | HGTTG is like 300 |
| 20:48.37 | nevcairiel | might be multiple audio books for one real book then :p |
| 20:48.45 | Arrowmaster | asoiaf averages around 45 minutes per chapter i would say |
| 20:48.54 | Neffi | I think Hitchhiker's might actually be under 300 pages. It's very short. |
| 20:48.57 | Arrowmaster | and 60ish chapters |
| 20:49.47 | Neffi | i got the first book in front of me. that's the shortest one, and it's 807 pages. |
| 20:50.10 | Neffi | plus the appendix of house info |
| 20:50.17 | Arrowmaster | my estimates on the audiobooks would put an asoiaf book at 10x longer than hhgttg |
| 20:50.26 | Neffi | seems about right |
| 20:50.40 | Neffi | i wouldn't be surprised if they're under 200 pages |
| 20:50.54 | Neffi | I gave my hhgttg books away to my brother when he visited, so I can't check |
| 20:51.15 | Arrowmaster | well ive got the next 4 books to listen to then on to something else |
| 20:51.20 | nevcairiel | checked my audio book, its split in 3 per each real book of asoiaf, makes for a more manageable size |
| 20:51.41 | Arrowmaster | german audio book? |
| 20:51.54 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:52.25 | Neffi | I always wonder what kind of translation errors crop into stuff |
| 20:52.40 | Neffi | It comes to mind every time I watch/read something that's translated to English |
| 20:53.01 | nevcairiel | books are usually pretty good |
| 20:53.22 | Arrowmaster | my little fuze+ will remember where in the chapter i was but when i hit play it starts from the beginning so i have to fast forward though it, its annoying for how long asoiaf chapters are |
| 20:53.25 | Neffi | How do they handle invented words? |
| 20:53.39 | nevcairiel | nothing weird like translating names of places, like the tv show does sometimes |
| 20:53.53 | Neffi | Like somebody wasn't immediately sure how Reamde was spelled in English. How did they even translate that? |
| 20:54.03 | nevcairiel | was still reamde |
| 20:54.08 | Neffi | ah |
| 20:54.11 | nevcairiel | although the book has a completely different name |
| 20:54.19 | Arrowmaster | Reamde? |
| 20:54.21 | nevcairiel | but it of course occurs in the story |
| 20:54.21 | Neffi | that's kind of weird |
| 20:54.29 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: by Neil Stephenson. It's not bad. |
| 20:54.34 | nevcairiel | i liked it |
| 20:54.59 | Neffi | Anathem was much better IMO |
| 20:55.10 | nevcairiel | the german book is called "Error" |
| 20:55.12 | nevcairiel | dont ask me why |
| 20:55.16 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.28 | Neffi | now that's a mistranslation lol |
| 20:55.52 | nevcairiel | its only the title, reamde is still used in the story |
| 20:55.54 | Arrowmaster | im trying to make up for the deficiencies in my reading history first by going though the more common stuff everybody else has read |
| 20:55.54 | nevcairiel | so no idea |
| 20:56.09 | Neffi | Read Anathem |
| 20:56.19 | nevcairiel | also, i totally felt like playing that game they built <.< |
| 20:56.26 | Neffi | hehe |
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| 20:56.49 | Silvanas | lua> test |
| 20:56.49 | lua_bot | Silvanas: nil |
| 20:56.55 | Silvanas | ah it still works :D |
| 20:56.55 | Neffi | My collection is smaller than I even thought it was, but I can recommend you a couple things |
| 20:57.06 | Neffi | No doubt things you've probably been recommended though |
| 20:57.21 | Silvanas | lua> math.modf(0.3) |
| 20:57.22 | lua_bot | Silvanas: 0, 0.3 |
| 20:57.35 | Neffi | I've got everything by Tolkien. Children of Hurin is great if you can tolerate his style being taken even further. |
| 20:57.56 | Neffi | Chuck's good if you liked Fight Club. Invisibile Monsters was good. |
| 20:58.53 | Neffi | And even though I was a little bored with it, I'd recommend Reamde |
| 21:00.50 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/z4MPTZb.png |
| 21:05.08 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/smart-tv-from-lg-phones-home-with-users-viewing-habits-usb-file-names/ |
| 21:05.16 | Neffi | Nice response from LG there |
| 21:05.26 | Neffi | "The advice we have been given is that unfortunately as you accepted the Terms and Conditions on your TV, your concerns would be best directed to the retailer," |
| 21:09.05 | Arrowmaster | some day soon all these terms and conditions are going to be ruled void when they keep changing them after you have purchased a product and wont give you a 100% full refund if you refuse to accept the new ones |
| 21:09.32 | Arrowmaster | and if that doesnt happen some explosions at corporate offices should help it along |
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| 21:10.05 | Neffi | retreats to his bunker and starts assembling his CODE RAINBOW bombs. |
| 21:10.10 | Neffi | let's do this shit |
| 21:12.10 | airtonix | lol midget porn |
| 21:14.20 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: did you hear about Piranhado |
| 21:14.33 | kd3 | oh gods, another one? |
| 21:15.00 | Arrowmaster | Diablo3 witch doctor |
| 21:15.01 | Arrowmaster | DiabloWiki.com - PiranhasPiranhas |
| 21:15.01 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.12 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 21:15.13 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: Sharknado just hit Netflix, so I have that to watch first. |
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| 21:21.28 | Fisker | night people and airtonix |
| 21:21.45 | Torhal | NO Fisker! |
| 21:21.50 | Torhal | Sleep is for Danes! |
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| 21:23.16 | airtonix | oh ok |
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| 22:03.51 | Silvanas | yay got my converter from interger to base254 :D |
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| 22:17.15 | Neffi | not base255? |
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| 22:35.25 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/smart-tv-from-lg-phones-home-with-users-viewing-habits-usb-file-names/ - at this point, shouldn't we just assume all our devices are spying on us? |
| 22:35.43 | Neffi | they want your midget porn, Unkle |
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| 22:36.10 | Unkle | All UR Midget Pr0n R belong to US. |
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| 22:57.08 | airtonix | next time don't lie to chow |
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| 23:44.57 | Aeger73 | ESO! |
| 23:45.16 | Aeger73 | Check your mail beta invites going out |
| 23:49.13 | Neffi | oh shit nigga |
| 23:49.23 | airtonix | oh |
| 23:49.37 | Neffi | airtonix: you forgot "ok" |
| 23:49.44 | airtonix | i feel the need to be offended in a politically correct way |
| 23:49.45 | Semlar-Laptop | neffi |
| 23:49.55 | Neffi | semlar! |
| 23:49.56 | Semlar-Laptop | why are you being offensive |
| 23:50.08 | airtonix | because a good defense.. |
| 23:50.10 | Neffi | it's ok, I have a black friend |
| 23:50.18 | airtonix | oh that's ok then |
| 23:50.43 | airtonix | phew. for a second there, i thought you were being racist |
| 23:50.54 | Semlar-Laptop | it's okay, i live in the deep south |
| 23:50.54 | Neffi | never that |
| 23:51.36 | airtonix | i can relate. i sometimes catch the bus with pirates. |
| 23:51.47 | Semlar-Laptop | yarr |
| 23:52.19 | airtonix | at first it was distressing. but i can control the overwhelming desire to bust out a "yarhharrr!" |
| 23:53.09 | Neffi | argh |
| 23:55.47 | Primer | So my low-pop realm was just connected |
| 23:56.25 | Primer | to another 2 realms...that were 10:1 horde:alliance, where ours is like 10:1 alliance:horde |
| 23:56.46 | Primer | So the net change is negligible |
| 23:56.59 | Primer | I guess we can expect more ganking |
| 23:57.10 | Semlar-Laptop | always expect more ganking |
| 23:57.36 | Neffi | ganks Semlar-Laptop. |
| 23:57.54 | Semlar-Laptop | i saw that coming |
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| 23:59.40 | airtonix | said noone ever |
