| 00:00.18 | foxlit | grr. |
| 00:00.23 | foxlit | 99/100 zombiefest zombies slain |
| 00:00.44 | foxlit | there wasn't a 100th zombie :/ |
| 00:01.09 | Neffi | you were the 100th zombie |
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| 00:19.30 | Semlar | oo |
| 00:21.48 | Neffi | semlar |
| 00:21.54 | Semlar | neffi |
| 00:22.06 | Neffi | semlar |
| 00:22.10 | Semlar | yes neffi |
| 00:22.29 | Semlar | why isn't garrosh dead |
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| 00:22.57 | Neffi | semlar http://i.imgur.com/Gx0Ls4y.gif |
| 00:23.14 | Semlar | i can't |
| 00:23.22 | Neffi | can't or won't? |
| 00:23.35 | Semlar | they're already off |
| 00:24.46 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/fJaQmQV.gif |
| 00:27.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.45 | Neffi | avi container? |
| 00:27.59 | Neffi | I have no son! |
| 00:28.14 | tlund | MKV. Y U NO USE IT? |
| 00:28.23 | Semlar | why |
| 00:28.36 | Neffi | because somebody on the internet is telling you it's better |
| 00:28.48 | Semlar | oh |
| 00:28.49 | tlund | high-fives Neffi. |
| 00:29.03 | Semlar | but i already compressed it.. |
| 00:29.11 | Neffi | it's k |
| 00:29.19 | Semlar | do you know how long it takes me to upload a 500mb file |
| 00:29.33 | tlund | avi and mkv are both just containers |
| 00:29.38 | tlund | no need to recompress anything |
| 00:29.43 | Neffi | I don't really know, no |
| 00:29.45 | tlund | there is just an MPEG stream inside |
| 00:29.57 | Semlar | stop using words at me! |
| 00:30.03 | tlund | Semlar: sorry :( |
| 00:30.21 | Semlar | i just do vdub and then the thing and then video comes out |
| 00:30.44 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:31.10 | Semlar | what's a container is that like tupperware |
| 00:31.17 | Neffi | pretty much |
| 00:31.31 | Semlar | and why does youtube insist on raping my video quality |
| 00:31.44 | Semlar | it's completely unethical |
| 00:31.54 | Neffi | something like ffmpeg or mkvmerge can pull the stream out of the avi and package it in an mkv without recompressing it |
| 00:32.03 | Neffi | because it's run by Google |
| 00:32.43 | Neffi | ok, i'm pretty sure I'm gonna need to see the hospital |
| 00:32.57 | Semlar | i don't even think it makes it any smaller it just recompresses it badly |
| 00:33.08 | Neffi | transcodes* |
| 00:33.09 | Semlar | thanks youtube |
| 00:33.19 | Neffi | I think I somehow cracked my collarbone in my sleep or some shit |
| 00:33.25 | Semlar | why |
| 00:33.34 | Neffi | Pretty intense pain in my collarbone |
| 00:33.43 | Semlar | have you been sleep-skiing |
| 00:33.50 | Neffi | I don't know |
| 00:33.59 | Neffi | how should I know what happens while I'm passed out? |
| 00:34.18 | Neffi | All I know is, if this pain were any worse, I'd be really concerned that something's totally wrong |
| 00:34.23 | Semlar | somnskiibulism |
| 00:34.29 | Neffi | and it's getting worse =( |
| 00:35.17 | Semlar | well according to my training we have to restrain the victim and prevent their head from moving |
| 00:35.36 | Semlar | so we'll need some duct tape and a board |
| 00:36.01 | Semlar | possibly a ball gag.. |
| 00:36.17 | Neffi | > |
| 00:36.24 | Neffi | nobody's ball gagging me |
| 00:36.32 | Semlar | suit yourself |
| 00:36.55 | Semlar | not my neck on the line |
| 00:37.29 | Semlar | REST ICE COMPRESSION ELEVATION |
| 00:39.41 | Neffi | wat |
| 00:39.48 | Semlar | rice, neffi |
| 00:39.51 | Semlar | you need rice |
| 00:40.10 | Neffi | elevation isn't happening |
| 00:40.14 | Neffi | i can't raise my arm |
| 00:40.22 | Neffi | nor compression |
| 00:40.24 | Semlar | are you having a heart attack |
| 00:40.37 | Neffi | no >_> |
| 00:41.02 | Neffi | It's been like this for 2 days. It got worse today somehow. |
| 00:41.22 | Semlar | you sure you didn't pull a muscle in your neck |
| 00:41.27 | Neffi | I don't know what the hell I did, but I wouldn't be surprised if a bone is broken. It hurts more than my ankle did when I broke that. |
| 00:41.34 | Neffi | I'm fairly sure |
| 00:41.43 | Semlar | how could you possibly have broken your collar bone without knowing how |
| 00:42.07 | Neffi | it's probably not broken, but there's enough pain that I wouldnt be surprised if an xray said it was |
| 00:42.09 | Semlar | go get a neck brace |
| 00:42.28 | Semlar | xrays don't lie neffi |
| 00:42.56 | airtonix_ | if you have a problem and you try to solve it with xrays you now have two problems |
| 00:43.02 | Neffi | I'm gonna wait it out a couple more days, and I really hope it does get better by then |
| 00:43.02 | Semlar | it's those radiologists you have to watch out for |
| 00:43.08 | airtonix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.15 | Semlar | if it doesn't can i have your stuff |
| 00:43.23 | Neffi | airtonix_: I dont trust the authenticity of that quote |
| 00:43.36 | airtonix_ | the white wizard doesn'y lie |
| 00:43.57 | Neffi | Semlar: no! all my inheretence goes to the stray cat I suspect (but have not yet confirmed) lives in my backyard |
| 00:44.11 | airtonix_ | Neffi: it was never yours to being with |
| 00:44.13 | Semlar | can i have your cat |
| 00:44.20 | Neffi | it's not my cat |
| 00:44.26 | airtonix_ | said cat merely appointed you caretaker |
| 00:44.28 | Semlar | so that's a yes? |
| 00:44.29 | Neffi | it's a freecat. no man may own him |
| 00:44.53 | Semlar | the stuff comes with the cat though, right |
| 00:45.16 | Neffi | if you can get the cat to sign over ownership, sure |
| 00:45.19 | Neffi | good luck |
| 00:45.24 | Semlar | i can |
| 00:45.34 | Neffi | he's stubborn |
| 00:45.44 | Semlar | i know his weakness |
| 00:45.53 | Neffi | (catnip) |
| 00:46.00 | Neffi | for the love of god don't tell him I told you |
| 00:46.04 | Neffi | (he beats me) |
| 00:46.16 | Semlar | and yet you're giving him your stuff |
| 00:46.25 | Neffi | if I don't, he'll beat me |
| 00:46.33 | Semlar | but you'll already be dead |
| 00:46.37 | Neffi | (I think it's him who fucked up my collarbone) |
| 00:46.48 | airtonix_ | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/MkFcypoEVYxdtHs9cIBjev5sVEfsW5fY_Y_XUXx0_Q0G=w400-h225 |
| 00:47.39 | Semlar | ..we've been replaced |
| 00:48.12 | airtonix_ | https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZykbXMX1rLw/Uof-RA-dBdI/AAAAAAAB7zU/gScTooL-J0o/w346-h339/omg+cat.png |
| 00:48.29 | Neffi | constructs a bomb shelter to escape from the eventual feline overlords. |
| 00:48.49 | Semlar | mid yawn |
| 00:49.20 | Semlar | whenever a cat isn't sleeping he's thinking about it |
| 00:51.34 | Neffi | omg http://i.imgur.com/9ffcqFg.gif |
| 01:04.22 | Dagmar | neffi: W. T. F. |
| 01:05.03 | Neffi | pretty much my reaction |
| 01:16.26 | kd3|hate`net | holy crap; http://i.imgur.com/tFqdaD9.jpg |
| 01:17.11 | Neffi | what is this? |
| 01:17.46 | kd3 | before and after from the gas explosion in poland on thursday |
| 01:17.54 | kd3 | http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/2-missing-10-injured-in-gas-pipeline-explosion-in-poland/2013/11/14/b7b3a94e-4d38-11e3-bf60-c1ca136ae14a_story.html |
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| 01:27.57 | kd3 | the size of the flames messes with my sense of scale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_5K3N-8qlY |
| 01:31.28 | foxlit | grumble, Corbel. o and 0 are so close. |
| 01:31.51 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/corbel.png |
| 01:34.13 | Dagmar | kd3: That they can hear the fire from there is pretty bad |
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| 03:29.20 | Neffi | So Aion sucked. Probably should've taken that advice instead of waiting for that ridiculous install process. |
| 03:30.11 | Neffi | Tera sucks. Rift sucks. Aion sucks. LOTRO has no real PvP. SWToR sucks. Is WoW the only good MMORPG? |
| 03:30.57 | Stanzilla | wow spoiled your standards |
| 03:30.58 | Iriel | I think you might be looking for something specific |
| 03:31.26 | Neffi | I don't think I am |
| 03:31.41 | Neffi | Just a good quality MMO with good PvP and gameplay |
| 03:33.28 | Iriel | but not wow |
| 03:33.36 | Iriel | How about GW2? |
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| 03:34.58 | Neffi | I shyed away from GW |
| 03:35.18 | Neffi | I'll look at it, but It'll have to be convincing to drop cash on |
| 03:36.12 | Stanzilla | wildstar! |
| 03:36.33 | Iriel | I think he wants something he can actually play |
| 03:36.54 | Neffi | ayup |
| 03:37.13 | Neffi | I'm looking to have fun until mid 2014. After that I'll probably be locked up in ESO. |
| 03:37.32 | Iriel | There's Neverwinter, but I dont know what if any PvP it has |
| 03:37.40 | Iriel | Actually I know it has some |
| 03:37.46 | Iriel | Just not what it's like |
| 03:41.31 | Neffi | Is GW2 instanced like GW was, or is it a true MMO? |
| 03:42.10 | Iriel | It's not instanced the same way |
| 03:42.14 | Iriel | It's more traditional |
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| 03:48.16 | Amarande | Neffi, you don't like SW:TOR? |
| 03:48.41 | Amarande | Hm. Haven't tried it yet myself either, but have you given FF14 a go yet? |
| 03:49.17 | Stanzilla | sw tor is pay 2 win madness |
| 03:49.36 | Amarande | Don't try FF11, OTOH. I'm glad I never really got into FF11, because apparently it's insane when it comes to grouping |
| 03:50.04 | Amarande | You know how WoW is with demanding horrendously perfect gear for routine PUGs lately? ("LFM flex, be 550+ and have leg cloak") |
| 03:50.14 | Amarande | apparently, that's EVERYTHING in FF11, even when leveling, LOL |
| 03:50.27 | Amarande | Stanzilla, what exactly in SW:TOR is pay to win? |
| 03:50.30 | Neffi | I hate SWToR |
| 03:50.32 | Stanzilla | everything |
| 03:50.40 | Stanzilla | even sprint is only available to subscribers |
| 03:50.40 | Amarande | apart from the fact that apparently you get better XP and vendors cut you better prices if you're a subscriber |
| 03:50.46 | Neffi | GW2 looks very polished. Some YouTube videos of it look pretty interesting. |
| 03:50.55 | Stanzilla | (in early levels) |
| 03:50.56 | Neffi | If it has good PvP, I'm thinking of giving this a go when I get the cash for it |
| 03:51.12 | Amarande | Stanzilla: that's more a case of "free to play mode is really a no-time-limit trial" than "pay to win" |
| 03:51.22 | Neffi | Anyone here play GW2? Thoughts? |
| 03:51.38 | Stanzilla | I played and liked it |
| 03:51.42 | Amarande | they've been pretty careful at not having the Cartel Market carry anything that gives egregious advantages, or really *any* real advantage over a subscriber |
| 03:51.43 | Stanzilla | just had noone to play with |
| 03:51.51 | Stanzilla | levelling is pretty cool in gw2, never got max level though |
| 03:52.16 | Amarande | okay, you can have +41 stat colour crystals at level 10 ... but eventually you're going to hit 50 where that's just the standard |
| 03:53.34 | Iriel | I enjoyed GW2 for a bit - only really stopped playing it because some folks I was playing with started doing something else |
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| 03:55.40 | Amarande | Say, does GW2 use a full set of files like other MMOs now or is it still that one huge SSD-unfriendly .dat file like GW1? |
| 03:57.02 | Stanzilla | one file |
| 03:57.07 | Amarande | blah |
| 03:57.12 | Amarande | at least, I presume that makes it an SSD murderer |
| 03:57.25 | Dagmar | It shouldn't |
| 03:57.35 | Dagmar | Sane coders know how to use seek() |
| 03:57.36 | Amarande | since I presume every single time any little eensy bit of data is changed, that's all them gigs of write that have to be used up |
| 03:57.36 | Iriel | Why would it? as long as they're doing block-based I/O within it |
| 03:57.58 | Amarande | Iriel: I presumed since it's single file based, it would have to rewrite the file dreadfully often |
| 03:58.03 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 03:58.03 | Iriel | No |
| 03:58.08 | Dagmar | In-place writes are normal |
| 03:58.30 | Dagmar | It would be _hella slow_ to update if it rewrote the entire file all the time |
| 03:58.48 | Amarande | I just made the switch to SSD this weekend |
| 03:58.58 | Amarande | also, I never want to see another effing Seagate make HDD as long as I live :| |
| 03:59.09 | Iriel | And if you think it'd be bad on an SSD, imagine how slow it'd be on an HDD if it had to re-write the whole file |
| 03:59.09 | Neffi | GW2 actually looks very good |
| 03:59.17 | Dagmar | It's actually pretty nice |
| 03:59.28 | Dagmar | I like that you don't really have to care what level you are. |
| 03:59.31 | Amarande | Iriel: Yeah, but HDD users typically aren't as concerned with the potentiality of repeatedly writing loads of gigs |
| 03:59.53 | Iriel | Amarande: sure they are |
| 04:00.10 | Dagmar | You can waste money fast-traveling, or you can just blaze a trail of destruction across the landscape. You get XP pretty much no matter what because it adjusts your level to the area (but doesn't like, take your skills away) |
| 04:00.11 | Iriel | Because to an HDD user, that's going to SLLLLOOOOWWWW things down |
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| 04:00.44 | Amarande | Well, skills in Guild Wars have never really been tied to a level requirement anyway. |
| 04:00.44 | Neffi | I'm kinda surprised they don't seem to offer a trial of any kind |
| 04:00.53 | Iriel | Neffi: it's pay once, play forever |
| 04:01.09 | Neffi | Yeah, which I appreciate. But I'd like to see how my GPU handles it first. |
| 04:01.10 | Iriel | They do (did) occasionally have trial weekends |
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| 04:01.20 | Iriel | Usually around in game events |
| 04:01.22 | Amarande | Neffi, what's your GPU? |
| 04:01.26 | Neffi | HD 3000 |
| 04:01.44 | Neffi | Internet suggests it'll play fine on low settings, but I still wanna try out the game if only for an hour or two |
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| 04:01.49 | Neffi | See what things like control scheme feel like |
| 04:01.51 | Amarande | Ah, yeah, I'm not sure how well the Ivy Bridge (or is that Sandy?) IGP handles MMOing |
| 04:01.57 | Neffi | Sandy |
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| 04:04.38 | Neffi | Surprisingly it's handled everything I mentioned before just fine. Handles WoW fine, including big city raids and the like. |
| 04:04.42 | Neffi | Just, at low settings |
| 04:04.58 | Neffi | In BGs, it can handle WoW at medium-high, depending on the BG |
| 04:07.50 | Stanzilla | guys |
| 04:07.53 | Stanzilla | this is important http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fykC8TRtknQ |
| 04:08.53 | Neffi | How's the community in GW2? Is there a meaningful population there, or is it dead? |
| 04:09.31 | Neffi | oh god Stanzilla |
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| 04:09.49 | Stanzilla | I want one |
| 04:09.52 | Neffi | why must you make me want things I can't have? |
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| 05:28.03 | karl_w_w | how can I make lots of golds? |
| 05:28.19 | Semlar | step 1. have golds |
| 05:28.39 | Semlar | step 2. leverage existing golds to make more golds |
| 05:29.05 | Semlar | do you have any professions? |
| 05:33.28 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 05:33.50 | karl_w_w | alchemy, enchanting, inscription, herbalism |
| 05:33.53 | Semlar | jewelcrafting, alchemy and inscription can be pretty good |
| 05:34.02 | karl_w_w | something else probably, I don't remember |
| 05:34.19 | Semlar | enchants can sell pretty well |
| 05:34.20 | karl_w_w | skinning |
| 05:34.31 | karl_w_w | not on my realm |
| 05:34.43 | karl_w_w | it's often cheaper to buy a chant than to make it myself |
| 05:34.46 | Semlar | okay everything depends completely on your local economy |
| 05:35.09 | karl_w_w | I'd like to just grind something |
| 05:35.17 | karl_w_w | but fuckin bots kill that possibility |
| 05:35.28 | Semlar | well, gathering is not typically something i would recommend unless you have no gold to start with |
| 05:36.06 | Semlar | once you can afford to purchase your supplies that you can convert into something else through a profession your time is better spent doing that |
| 05:36.27 | Mr_Rabies | depends on your server, of course |
| 05:36.34 | Semlar | unless this is like a "i need a relatively large amount of gold quickly" thing |
| 05:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | mine has practically no leveling mats, and limited supply on a lot of endgame mats |
| 05:36.52 | Semlar | then gathering it might be worth the process |
| 05:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | but it's still not really a good money maker |
| 05:37.09 | Mr_Rabies | even with no supply |
| 05:37.19 | Mr_Rabies | there's not a lot of demand either, unless it's stuff people need to raid |
| 05:38.09 | Semlar | if things sell for less than the sum of their parts on your server that is not a great sign |
| 05:38.40 | Semlar | but it usually means supplies were purchased when they were lower |
| 05:39.40 | Semlar | and prices fluctuate over the course of a day and days of the week so you might monitor when the best time to buy and sell is |
| 05:40.20 | Semlar | when more people are on generally prices will go down |
| 05:40.34 | Semlar | supply is higher |
| 05:40.57 | karl_w_w | ooh i wonder if i can still grind on the elemental plateau |
| 05:41.12 | karl_w_w | that worked last expac |
| 05:41.20 | Semlar | you're appealing to a relatively niche market |
| 05:41.27 | Neffi | i'd almost forgot about that place |
| 05:41.30 | Semlar | so it might take a long time to sell |
| 05:41.34 | Neffi | that damned place |
| 05:41.41 | Semlar | even if you can charge quite a lot for the items |
| 05:41.45 | Mr_Rabies | my realm has no bots left, karl_w_w |
| 05:41.49 | Mr_Rabies | i actually wish it did :( |
| 05:41.54 | Neffi | A more reliable market would be to grind low level herbs, ore or cloth |
| 05:41.57 | Mr_Rabies | because as a result there are no raw mats on the AH for a lot of things |
| 05:42.09 | Neffi | People are constantly leveling professions and characters. Low level mats sell fairly well. |
| 05:42.42 | Semlar | if you're going to do that, realize that you can screw players leveling a profession at very specific points |
| 05:42.59 | Neffi | i know, it's quite profitable |
| 05:43.00 | tz | nice, consistently crashing to desktop without addons |
| 05:43.01 | tz | ugh |
| 05:43.01 | Semlar | where they have no alternative but to buy from you or farm something annoying themselves |
| 05:43.21 | Neffi | i've found that just mining high level mats is more straightforward. good demand. you can sell in bulk. good profit for the time spent. |
| 05:43.55 | Neffi | it's STILL common for a few people to control 100% of the wool supply on the server |
| 05:43.57 | Semlar | you can definitely make gold to start with just by farming ore or herbs or whatever |
| 05:44.11 | Neffi | players start leveling first aid through linen, hit wool and BAM $50g a stack |
| 05:44.12 | Semlar | but at a certain point i would use that gold to start camping the auction house |
| 05:44.29 | Semlar | it's like a business |
| 05:44.48 | Neffi | Camping the AH is definitely worth it money wise. But it tends to suck you in and you spend a lot of time on it, and it's hit and miss. |
| 05:44.53 | Neffi | You get outplayed |
| 05:44.59 | Dagmar | I think that problem could be at least partially solved by doing like GW2 does. Add commodity trading. |
| 05:45.08 | Semlar | actually you tend to spend less time than gathering |
| 05:45.16 | Semlar | unless you pick a market that you have to babysit |
| 05:45.28 | Neffi | Maybe I always picked the wrong markets |
| 05:45.30 | Semlar | kind of depends on how much you intend to make |
| 05:45.47 | Semlar | if your end goal is like millions of gold then that's a different game |
| 05:45.51 | Neffi | Dagmar: That game looks incredibly good. I'm surprised I didn't give it a fair look when it came out. |
| 05:46.05 | Neffi | I'm definitely getting that shit soon |
| 05:46.15 | Dagmar | Well, the commodity trading in GW2 makes those bitch scalpers fight for it |
| 05:46.29 | karl_w_w | primal mights are 470g |
| 05:46.40 | Neffi | i've never seen primal mights sell |
| 05:46.50 | Neffi | i think people keep the cost high to fuck with databases tbh |
| 05:46.52 | karl_w_w | they always do for me |
| 05:47.03 | Neffi | hmm |
| 05:47.06 | karl_w_w | I've even had people ask me to craft them |
| 05:47.18 | Semlar | ah, let me tell you that you will make the most profit from smaller sales than you will from big flips |
| 05:47.22 | Neffi | I've tried to clear out a few gbanks of leftover primal mights. I could NEVER get them to sell. |
| 05:47.24 | Neffi | I've deleted a lot of them |
| 05:47.39 | Semlar | but it does feel good to sell big ticket items every once in a while |
| 05:48.21 | Neffi | I actually wonder. My old guild on my old server that got abandoned probably could rake in close too 100k if I sold all the mats now. |
| 05:48.23 | Semlar | the demand always has to be there |
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| 05:48.52 | Semlar | although there's usually a demand for almost anything if it's at the right price |
| 05:49.01 | Semlar | or you have enough patience |
| 05:49.36 | Semlar | buying ore directly from people, prospecting it and selling the cut or uncut gems can usually turn a profit |
| 05:49.53 | Semlar | since you mentioned you have jewelcrafting |
| 05:50.12 | Neffi | Not to mention there's always somebody selling ore in bulk |
| 05:50.15 | Semlar | alchemy can help jewelcrafting with transmutes or whatever |
| 05:50.45 | Semlar | ideally you will want to find a supplier willing to sell directly to you so you can get it cheaper than the auction house |
| 05:51.04 | Semlar | so either through trade or try and get into contact with the people selling it on the auction house itself |
| 05:52.01 | Semlar | flasks and potions can sell around raiding time |
| 05:52.23 | Semlar | flasks might not sell super well |
| 05:52.53 | Semlar | since most raiding guilds can also just provide themselves with what they need |
| 05:53.36 | Neffi | IME that's usually the case |
| 05:53.50 | Semlar | you can sell transmutes to people |
| 05:53.52 | Neffi | alchemy was disappointing the last 2 expansions in terms of profit turning |
| 05:53.57 | Neffi | That you can |
| 05:54.12 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can transmute for your own profit paired with jewelcrafting |
| 05:55.29 | Semlar | people have to buy 5 of the raw meta gems to make the legendary one |
| 05:56.11 | Semlar | the profit from alchemy is usually based on what specialization you pick and prices can reflect that |
| 05:56.32 | Semlar | where flasks and such can sell for basically the same or less than the materials |
| 05:57.01 | Semlar | because you can proc extra it can end up being profitable |
| 05:57.15 | Semlar | assuming you know what the proc rate is |
| 05:57.21 | karl_w_w | primal diamond mats: 400g, primal diamonds: 290g |
| 05:57.53 | Semlar | perhaps there are alternative methods of acquisition |
| 05:59.09 | Semlar | anyway, whatever you do is probably going to involve exploring your auction house over the course of a few days or a week and deciding what you want to profit from |
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| 05:59.23 | karl_w_w | river's heart mats: 54g, river's heart: 9g |
| 06:00.47 | karl_w_w | I could make tiger opals for a 9g profit each :P |
| 06:00.50 | karl_w_w | not worth the risk |
| 06:01.14 | Semlar | i am super lazy and rely completely on flipping expensive items that i bought for less |
| 06:01.31 | Semlar | but i have the gold to do that |
| 06:02.03 | Semlar | and haven't had much interest in the auction house in a long time |
| 06:03.19 | Neffi | Anyone else using Chrome noticing high GPU usage? |
| 06:03.28 | Semlar | i use firefoooooox |
| 06:03.29 | Neffi | 32+ with the Aura graphics stack |
| 06:03.54 | Neffi | It's occassionally spiking GPU usage unchecked, forcing my GPU to overheat and throttle |
| 06:04.51 | Stanzilla | aura is not very polished sadly |
| 06:04.57 | Stanzilla | the performance drawbacks are known though |
| 06:05.17 | Neffi | Aye. I've noticed a couple regressions in UI polish and performance. |
| 06:05.26 | Neffi | For the most part it's not bad though |
| 06:05.36 | Semlar | karl_w_w: you can also gouge transmog items or lower level greens if you can snipe them from the auction house |
| 06:06.12 | Semlar | you can set up some auction house addons to look for specific things you want |
| 06:09.00 | Semlar | (TSM, auctionator, auctioneer) |
| 06:10.27 | Semlar | i almost want to make my own auction house addon |
| 06:11.01 | Semlar | but then i remember how much i hate doing uis |
| 06:13.03 | karl_w_w | i think my realm is too busy to make gold off the AH easily |
| 06:14.21 | Semlar | trust me you can make gold on whatever server you're on, you just need to find your way |
| 06:15.10 | Semlar | if nothing else you can use your gathering professions and make a bit |
| 06:15.23 | karl_w_w | well that's not making gold off the AH :P |
| 06:15.58 | Semlar | the auction house is for those who can figure it out |
| 06:16.39 | Semlar | and.. you need capital |
| 06:18.24 | Semlar | oh and a love for economics |
| 06:19.26 | karl_w_w | and something you can make a margin on |
| 06:20.08 | Semlar | people don't sell at a loss unless they are just swimming in the stuff or are really stupid |
| 06:20.47 | Semlar | you need to figure out how people are selling things for less than they cost |
| 06:20.58 | Semlar | it probably means they spent less than you think they did |
| 06:22.01 | karl_w_w | usually it means they farmed the mats themselves |
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| 06:22.09 | karl_w_w | and are really stupid |
| 06:22.13 | karl_w_w | or impatient |
| 06:22.26 | Semlar | that would be something you call an opportunity cost |
| 06:22.43 | Semlar | farming the mats yourself does not suddenly make them valueless |
| 06:22.55 | Semlar | they are worth exactly what you would have sold them for |
| 06:23.15 | Semlar | although you also have to factor in the time you spent doing that instead of something else |
| 06:23.54 | Semlar | so if you used those mats to create something you're now selling for less than you could have gotten for the mats, you are a horrible businessman |
| 06:24.14 | karl_w_w | yep, and wow is full of horrible businessmen |
| 06:24.29 | Semlar | then you exploit those people |
| 06:24.42 | karl_w_w | apparently I have lw and tailoring at max level, but I don't know where |
| 06:24.45 | Semlar | and figure out how to profit off of them |
| 06:25.01 | karl_w_w | lol how do you profit off that? |
| 06:25.04 | Semlar | there is always a way to make a profit |
| 06:25.18 | karl_w_w | buy what they make and resell it? they will just make more and undercut you |
| 06:25.34 | Semlar | but the more people who are just discouraged at the outset the less competition i have |
| 06:26.09 | Semlar | no skin off my nose |
| 06:37.45 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/wBqnz.jpg |
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| 06:40.37 | Semlar | i'm hungry neffi |
| 06:40.57 | Stanzilla | I can't decide on a new keyboard |
| 06:41.23 | Stanzilla | mechanical or low profile T___T |
| 06:42.00 | Semlar | mechanical. there, now you don't have to decide! |
| 06:42.11 | Stanzilla | but I love low profile :< |
| 06:42.27 | Semlar | too late |
| 06:42.29 | Neffi | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/YZPaM0A.gif |
| 06:43.00 | Semlar | this is not 4gifs.com at all |
| 06:43.18 | Semlar | this watermark is a lie |
| 06:43.25 | Neffi | Semlar: also compelling http://i.imgur.com/tiNJbXk.gif |
| 06:44.45 | Semlar | those cats seem relatively unafraid of that raccoon |
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| 07:11.45 | Mr_Rabies | finally got muh mekgineer's chopper |
| 07:11.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeehaw |
| 07:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | also cleaned up my bank the other day: http://i.imgur.com/cNMOqpY.jpg |
| 07:27.26 | Semlar | archmage vargoth |
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| 08:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 08:16.22 | Mr_Rabies | how does everyone feel about my "transmog" set? http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/raybeez/advanced |
| 08:22.37 | Mr_Rabies | aw, the joke's gonna go away before anyone sees it since i'm about to relog again :( |
| 08:23.26 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/pGS8xJq.png |
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| 08:34.32 | Semlar | that is one hot sweater |
| 08:45.44 | Semlar | neffi calling GameTooltip:Hide() OnUpdate apparently isn't enough to prevent it from displaying with the nameplates |
| 08:46.15 | Semlar | i'm not sure how that's even possible |
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| 08:49.45 | Semlar | GameTooltip:HookScript('OnShow') did it |
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| 09:26.50 | pelf | what would prevent leading and trailing spaces from being displayed in a double tooltip line? GT:ADL(" "..left, right.." ") |
| 09:35.18 | Semlar | not sure, /run GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine(" test", "test ") GameTooltip:Show() works fine for me |
| 09:35.43 | zenzelezz | are you getting spaces and not wanting them, or the other way around? |
| 09:36.14 | Semlar | sounds like pelf wants some padding |
| 09:39.14 | pelf | not getting them and want them |
| 09:39.40 | pelf | i appear to be doing exactly the same as blizzard is doing in their code for the hit/expertise tooltips, but mine gets no padding :( |
| 09:40.25 | pelf | (i'm replacing the armor tooltip with one that has a level breakdown) |
| 09:42.12 | Semlar | you've tried adding more spaces? |
| 09:42.51 | Semlar | you don't have anything trimming the tooltip lines somehow |
| 09:43.12 | pelf | GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine(" "..attackerLevel, format("%0.2f%% ", dr), NFC.r, NFC.g, NFC.b, NFC.r, NFC.g, NFC.b) |
| 09:43.38 | Semlar | they have like ten spaces in their tooltip line |
| 09:43.40 | Semlar | at least |
| 09:43.44 | pelf | from the hit tooltip: |
| 09:43.44 | pelf | GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine(" "..level, missChance.." ", NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.r, NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.g, NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.b, NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.r, NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.g, NORMAL_FONT_COLOR.b); |
| 09:44.02 | Semlar | either that or it's a tab |
| 09:44.07 | pelf | mmmmmmmmm |
| 09:44.11 | Semlar | one space doesn't even make a dent in it |
| 09:44.19 | pelf | tab, checking |
| 09:44.59 | Semlar | it's easy to check, just hover over something with a tooltip and run /run GameTooltip:AddDoubleLine(" test", "test ") GameTooltip:Show() |
| 09:45.16 | pelf | oh... somehow pasting the blizzard function into DevPad removed the duplicate spaces |
| 09:45.20 | pelf | awesome :| |
| 09:45.30 | pelf | sighs |
| 09:46.37 | pelf | success! |
| 09:46.44 | Semlar | hurray! |
| 09:48.01 | pelf | http://i.imgur.com/bhJJS09.jpg |
| 09:48.45 | Semlar | i managed to get my tooltip to stop flipping out but man is this hacky |
| 09:49.03 | Semlar | i'm probably going to regret this |
| 09:49.49 | Semlar | but.. i really want to be able to click through friendly nameplates so i don't care |
| 09:51.43 | pelf | did you set the nameplate frames to click through? |
| 09:51.46 | pelf | what was the tooltip doing/ |
| 09:52.32 | Semlar | well, the problem is the nameplate frames themselves aren't mouse-enabled, when you click on a nameplate it's really the same as clicking on the world frame |
| 09:53.05 | Semlar | so the only way i've managed to make it so you can click what's under the nameplate is to turn them off |
| 09:53.17 | Semlar | but i still want to be able to see them |
| 09:53.37 | Semlar | so i'm basically turning them on and off very quickly to get their positions |
| 09:53.50 | Semlar | and that causes the tooltip to flip. out. |
| 09:55.45 | pelf | you're not doing that constantly are you? |
| 09:55.58 | Semlar | very much so |
| 09:57.20 | pelf | mm, wouldn't it be better to do what the nameplate addons do and maintain a registry of their bounds as they activate and deactivate? |
| 09:57.58 | pelf | well, i guess .. what would you do with that |
| 09:57.59 | pelf | mm |
| 09:59.02 | pelf | so they're "under" the world frame, but you can still interact with them in code |
| 09:59.51 | pelf | well, you could make a full-screen, transparent, click-through frame that gives you click coordinates for every mouse action, then determine if there's a friendly nameplate under it and only pass the click through after turning them off? |
| 09:59.56 | pelf | i don't even know if that's possible |
| 10:00.05 | Semlar | it's not |
| 10:00.34 | Semlar | also the click always needs to go through |
| 10:00.43 | Semlar | i want to be able to click under the nameplate |
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| 10:01.22 | pelf | ok, what about going part of the way to a nameplate replacement by making frames to "cover" the nameplates and doing the same position updating that nameplate replacement addons do |
| 10:01.36 | pelf | then you can deal with the clicks in your own code? |
| 10:02.29 | Semlar | i can't get the position of the nameplate unless it's visible |
| 10:02.47 | Semlar | if the nameplate is visible you can't click what's under it |
| 10:02.58 | Semlar | the clickable part of the nameplate is not a frame, it's literally the world frame |
| 10:03.04 | Semlar | it's part of the game world |
| 10:03.35 | Semlar | as long as nameplates are visible, clicking their area in the game selects the nameplate instead of what's under it |
| 10:04.29 | pelf | let me look at something; while i'm doing that: does screenshotQuality have any effect when screenshotFormat is "png"? |
| 10:04.54 | Semlar | can't imagine it would |
| 10:06.57 | Semlar | i guess you could test it |
| 10:07.09 | Semlar | PNGs aren't normally lossy |
| 10:07.22 | nevcairiel | normally? you cant make a lossy png :p |
| 10:07.29 | Semlar | according to wikipedia you can |
| 10:07.59 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics#Lossy_PNG_compression |
| 10:08.21 | nevcairiel | well duh, if you throw away data before compression |
| 10:08.34 | nevcairiel | can always try to smooth the image for example to increase compression |
| 10:08.51 | Semlar | there's no telling what modifying the image quality setting does for a png |
| 10:09.23 | nevcairiel | png as a format is always lossless, whatever an app does to the image before compressing it is out of its hands :p |
| 10:10.47 | Semlar | all i'm saying is the fact that it's a lossless format is no guarantee that changing the quality setting won't impact the way it looks |
| 10:10.50 | mikma | http://www.masswerk.at/googleBBS/ |
| 10:11.16 | nevcairiel | does wow evne support png universally yet, i thought that was only on mac |
| 10:13.28 | Semlar | i have no idea, there's a post by unkle from 2 years ago that says you can png as an option for screenshotFormat |
| 10:15.03 | pelf | well, i set it to png, value stuck, wrote a jpg.. restarting the client |
| 10:15.04 | Semlar | how do you get the current cursor texture? |
| 10:15.16 | pelf | Cursor:GetCurrentTexture() |
| 10:15.26 | Semlar | i think you're making that up |
| 10:18.51 | Semlar | i have no idea how to determine what icon the cursor is currently set to |
| 10:20.51 | Semlar | although it may not matter |
| 10:21.09 | Semlar | since you don't appear to be able to set it while it's over the world frame |
| 10:22.27 | pelf | i am :) |
| 10:22.43 | Semlar | ah that's actually not entirely true, you can set it it just gets set to something else immediately |
| 10:23.01 | Semlar | i might be able to counter that |
| 10:23.16 | pelf | frames are not mouse-interactive by default, right? |
| 10:23.31 | nevcairiel | right |
| 10:23.42 | Semlar | they can be if they inherit a template though |
| 10:23.47 | Fisker | tackles nevcairiel |
| 10:24.01 | Semlar | like a button |
| 10:24.13 | pelf | so i guess that's how the nameplate addons work, then |
| 10:24.14 | Semlar | in fact a button is probably just mouse enabled |
| 10:24.33 | Semlar | there are no nameplate addons that do what i'm trying to |
| 10:24.42 | pelf | while i was thinking about it i realized i hadn't thought about the hardware event that would be required for the targeting action, anyway |
| 10:25.05 | Semlar | you can block clicking on a nameplate but you can't allow the player to click what's under it |
| 10:25.09 | pelf | so yeah, i think you're right: the only way to prevent the targeting action is to have the nameplate not be there |
| 10:25.39 | Semlar | you can put a mouse enabled frame on top of it and that would stop the click but it's not what i want |
| 10:25.56 | pelf | yeah, je sais |
| 10:26.03 | Semlar | i just want friendly nameplates to be visible and not clickable |
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| 10:26.23 | nevcairiel | that seems impossible |
| 10:26.33 | Semlar | right now when someone drops a soulwell or something it's basically unclickable because of the stupid nameplatse |
| 10:26.45 | pelf | you show friendly nameplates all the time? |
| 10:26.48 | Semlar | so i have to turn them off every time |
| 10:26.57 | nevcairiel | there is a v for that |
| 10:27.13 | Semlar | the hotkey for nameplates is very poorly designed |
| 10:27.14 | pelf | i wouldn't be able to play with friendly nameplates turned on |
| 10:27.37 | Semlar | so you have to push it like 3 times to actually get what you want back |
| 10:27.56 | Semlar | well, my nameplates look significantly different from the default ones |
| 10:28.11 | pelf | hopefully much smaller |
| 10:28.14 | Semlar | and i need friendly nameplates on for when i'm recording and want people to be able to see who's who |
| 10:29.25 | pelf | so .. i just thought of something. how does TidyPlates implement the plate blacklist? |
| 10:29.42 | Semlar | i don't know what that does |
| 10:29.44 | pelf | does it just put a transparent frame that's mouse-interactive over it? |
| 10:29.54 | Semlar | if it prevents you from clicking on a nameplate, all it does is cover it up |
| 10:29.57 | pelf | you can blacklist certain nameplates from showing up |
| 10:31.35 | Semlar | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tidy-plates/tickets/136-request-click-through-friendly-frames/ |
| 10:31.43 | Semlar | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tidy-plates/forum/suggestions/32650-clickthough-option-on-friendly-nameplate-only/ |
| 10:32.40 | Semlar | ah i should add a caveat, you can do it out of combat |
| 10:32.58 | Semlar | but not in combat |
| 10:33.37 | Semlar | so really i could get it to work most of the time using a simpler method |
| 10:35.02 | karl_w_w | woop |
| 10:35.06 | karl_w_w | killed garrosh normal |
| 10:35.11 | karl_w_w | got my tier token |
| 10:35.14 | karl_w_w | from a bonus roll |
| 10:35.25 | Semlar | good |
| 10:35.30 | Semlar | now give it here |
| 10:36.02 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.16 | pelf | i figured they were going to be just text |
| 10:37.23 | Semlar | it's pretty much just their name |
| 10:37.36 | Semlar | but they still take up like 140x40 pixels |
| 10:37.44 | Semlar | which is a huuuuuge clickable area |
| 10:38.11 | Semlar | and it makes it very hard to click on things directly |
| 10:38.32 | nevcairiel | you have a computer voice tell you what to do? :p |
| 10:38.39 | Semlar | i don't listen to it |
| 10:38.49 | Semlar | wait, you can hear that too? |
| 10:38.57 | nevcairiel | its in the video |
| 10:39.01 | Semlar | i thought it was just me |
| 10:39.23 | pelf | "I have ONE job ... it's STUPID, but I'm going to do it, okay?" |
| 10:39.40 | karl_w_w | lol wow |
| 10:39.58 | karl_w_w | one of our tanks passed up auditioning for star wars for this garrosh kill |
| 10:40.32 | pelf | passing up something that shouldn't happen for something that should sounds reasonable |
| 10:40.57 | Semlar | maybe he didn't have much faith in landing the role |
| 10:41.07 | Semlar | or he has his priorities straight |
| 10:44.28 | Semlar | okay i managed to set the cursor now i just need to figure out how to actually get the cursor texture |
| 10:44.54 | Semlar | maybe i can infer what cursor it should be based on what you're mousing over |
| 10:45.40 | karl_w_w | he'll have another chance to audition |
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| 10:45.43 | karl_w_w | next week |
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| 10:48.52 | Sintacks | k |
| 10:49.07 | Sintacks | this locking up shit is getting fucking old |
| 10:49.15 | Sintacks | so i'm going to do a fresh install |
| 10:49.20 | Sintacks | even though it's not goin to do anything |
| 10:49.22 | Sintacks | just because |
| 10:51.09 | Sintacks | which means i have to first move shit off SSD |
| 10:55.08 | Sintacks | Downstream: 6252.47 KBytes/s Upstream: 95.6 KBytes/s |
| 10:55.49 | Sintacks | Downloading: 23.03 GB remaining @ 5.85 MB/s |
| 10:55.55 | Sintacks | and in the time i took to type that, it's down to 22.9 |
| 10:56.02 | Sintacks | it's also already playable o.O |
| 10:56.43 | nevcairiel | you can basically play just after a few hundred mb |
| 10:56.47 | nevcairiel | its really nifty |
| 10:57.16 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have high quality textures yet and you will see how stuff is loaded on the fly when its needed, but you can go in |
| 10:58.35 | Sintacks | yeah. i'm just supprised at how early it is actually playable |
| 10:58.41 | Sintacks | and i betit's histty that first time trying to login |
| 10:58.41 | pelf | now i'm curious about whether i can still target units with filtered nameplates |
| 11:01.23 | Semlar | i really can't figure out a way to get what type of cursor is currently being displayed |
| 11:01.37 | Semlar | is this just not possible |
| 11:02.29 | pelf | yep, you can :) |
| 11:02.32 | pelf | that's a little creepy |
| 11:03.35 | pelf | what are you trying to do? |
| 11:03.52 | Semlar | the cursor flips out so i need to set it to what it previously was |
| 11:04.23 | Semlar | there is a SetCursor function but as far as i can tell you can't actually figure out what the cursor texture is |
| 11:10.33 | Semlar | i should probably just give up on this |
| 11:10.54 | Semlar | it's more of an issue out of combat and i can solve that for the most part |
| 11:13.05 | Semlar | it's usually when i'm trying to click on an npc through other players or eating a feast or something |
| 11:13.46 | Semlar | alternatively if i could figure out a way to temporarily disable them while holding a key that would work |
| 11:18.28 | Sintacks | wat. |
| 11:18.40 | Sintacks | 14.8GB remaining @ 6.20MB/s |
| 11:18.50 | Sintacks | weeee |
| 11:19.15 | Sintacks | just did a dungeon on PTR with my near the end of T14 rogue... with no UI. lol |
| 11:19.23 | Sintacks | now i should copy my rogue and do it again |
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| 11:25.24 | Sintacks | agent.exe using 50% of CPU |
| 11:25.26 | Sintacks | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 11:27.07 | Sintacks | dat porky font |
| 11:30.19 | pelf | why not just use ResetCursor()? |
| 11:30.45 | pelf | from what i can see, it doesn't just set it to the glove, it sets it to whatever the game thinks it should be currently |
| 11:31.05 | pelf | (i guess it's more of a gauntlet) |
| 11:36.02 | karl_w_w | they should redo the default cursor |
| 11:37.31 | Sintacks | and make it what/ |
| 11:38.05 | Sintacks | I don't even see it that often |
| 11:38.11 | Sintacks | cuz right click is alway sdown |
| 11:38.22 | karl_w_w | just make it look nicer |
| 11:39.07 | karl_w_w | it's probably the worst looking of all the cursors |
| 11:40.22 | karl_w_w | the wc3 one was better |
| 11:50.33 | jleclanche | kd3: have you had issues with keepass' autotype in wow? |
| 11:50.45 | nevcairiel | so i joined some random leveling guild for the bonus things, and there is like 5 people at any time online that congratulate in guild chat on every extremely minor achievement, what spam |
| 11:51.58 | karl_w_w | I still can't read that and not see "keep ass" |
| 11:55.59 | jleclanche | hm |
| 11:56.00 | jleclanche | interesting |
| 11:56.12 | jleclanche | autotype can't type $ nor { in wine apps |
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| 12:05.33 | jleclanche | ok its any altgr char |
| 12:08.44 | airtonix | <nevcairiel types more than ten characters> GRATZ |
| 12:09.12 | nebula169_ | any achievement = automatic congrats |
| 12:09.32 | airtonix | gratz as a service |
| 12:17.10 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/r/funny/m3ApwnN |
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| 13:00.05 | Sintacks | well. so far no crash with no addons |
| 13:00.30 | Sintacks | sorry... lockup |
| 13:00.40 | karl_w_w | hahaha shit |
| 13:00.47 | karl_w_w | i lost a game of scrabble |
| 13:00.52 | karl_w_w | 334 points to 333 |
| 13:03.55 | jleclanche | average void crystal price: 10s each |
| 13:04.05 | jleclanche | average large prismatic shard price: 15g each |
| 13:04.11 | jleclanche | 1 VC = 2 LPS |
| 13:04.15 | jleclanche | nice. |
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| 13:04.41 | nevcairiel | old mats are always rather screwed up |
| 13:04.42 | jleclanche | real life would be a lot easier if it, too, had expansions. |
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| 13:12.57 | Sintacks | "I don't like this expansion. The healers went to shit and I don't feel good.' |
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| 13:20.01 | Clamsoda | Has anyone got some oUF knowledge? |
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| 13:35.43 | pompy | any Fallout fans.. http://imgur.com/gpCifT6 |
| 13:37.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3aNnKo_zc rofl |
| 13:38.03 | karl_w_w | wtf fallout 4 trademarked? half life 3 confirmed |
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| 13:44.43 | pompy | lol |
| 13:52.17 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/qBa1Hdw some of these are glorius |
| 13:52.23 | karl_w_w | I can't spell |
| 13:53.30 | airtonix | i love how when you goto http://codeschool.uservoice.com/forums/137101-content-suggestions?query=ruby |
| 13:53.40 | airtonix | it only has 355 votes |
| 13:53.49 | airtonix | but, http://codeschool.uservoice.com/forums/137101-content-suggestions?query=python |
| 13:53.55 | airtonix | has 1,462 votes |
| 13:53.59 | airtonix | and still no python courses. |
| 13:54.11 | airtonix | getting sick of these ruby hipsters |
| 14:03.40 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10587068848?page=1#6 somebody came up with a surprisingly obvious suggestion, race-specific cursors |
| 14:04.45 | Fisker | So obvious it predates the game |
| 14:05.26 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 14:07.05 | foxlit | what's a "higher quality version" of a 32x32 bitmap? |
| 14:08.03 | karl_w_w | I don't know |
| 14:08.17 | karl_w_w | something that looks like what it's supposed to be |
| 14:09.18 | nevcairiel | i dont mind the current cursor, its not like its really bad quality |
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| 14:18.22 | karl_w_w | resumed playing ME2 after a few months stopped |
| 14:18.33 | karl_w_w | no memory of the story line at this point |
| 14:19.22 | karl_w_w | and I have no idea who one of these squad members is |
| 14:19.49 | karl_w_w | oh yes I do, he's just wearing a weird mask or something |
| 14:22.45 | Dagmar | That's the funnest thing about RPGs right there |
| 14:22.52 | karl_w_w | but hey, it looks amazing with 24x edge-detect anti-aliasing |
| 14:23.13 | Dagmar | Step away from them for too long, and they take on a whole 'nother level of challenge |
| 14:23.55 | zenzelezz | I really wish games would start saving their settings in their own directories, not in the user profile crap |
| 14:24.07 | Kultzi | Tali ? -.o |
| 14:24.46 | zenzelezz | Tali'zora vas Normandy? |
| 14:24.57 | karl_w_w | sick burn! |
| 14:25.22 | Kultzi | how the hell you don't know her :D |
| 14:25.59 | karl_w_w | you aren't thinking it through right |
| 14:26.17 | karl_w_w | it was the mask that was throwing off my recognition |
| 14:26.28 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 14:26.34 | Dagmar | You only EVER see her with her mask on |
| 14:26.34 | karl_w_w | how would tali having a mask on make me not recognise her? |
| 14:26.39 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 14:26.47 | karl_w_w | plus, tali is a her |
| 14:26.55 | karl_w_w | not a he |
| 14:27.05 | Dagmar | Like, the big thing about the relationship arc there is that it's been rumored people *might* see her without her mask on |
| 14:27.05 | karl_w_w | it's thane btw |
| 14:27.18 | karl_w_w | his gas mask is just this black thing that covers his head |
| 14:27.27 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 14:27.42 | Dagmar | Odd. I thought his name was "meat shield" |
| 14:29.36 | Kultzi | Dagmar is there really a way to see tali without her mask ;o |
| 14:29.39 | zenzelezz | anyway, Garrus4life |
| 14:29.57 | Kultzi | EDI4life. |
| 14:30.03 | Dagmar | kulti: I dunno. I'm actually lookin' on YouTube now |
| 14:30.58 | Kultzi | they didn't even show her face when she died on me3 (well, if she dies) |
| 14:31.01 | Kultzi | spoilet alert btw |
| 14:31.02 | Kultzi | x) |
| 14:31.12 | zenzelezz | that's not quite how spoiler alerts work |
| 14:31.29 | Kultzi | they don't work in irc at all |
| 14:32.03 | Kultzi | tbh the game is already so old that im assuming everyone knows how the story guys, atleast most of it |
| 14:32.54 | zenzelezz | ME doesn't have stats like The Walking Dead has, does it? Where you can see how many percent of people chose option A or B in situations |
| 14:34.13 | Kultzi | i think only stats ME gathers is related to ME3 multiplayer |
| 14:35.20 | Dagmar | Kultzi: Having perused YT now, I can only say "maybe" |
| 14:35.27 | karl_w_w | i dont know the story, but then I don't really care :P |
| 14:35.33 | karl_w_w | I doubt I will ever play ME3 |
| 14:36.02 | Kultzi | imo you should, the gameplay is awesome |
| 14:36.27 | Kultzi | Dagmar http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FchfT-4dTi8#t=162 |
| 14:36.32 | Kultzi | thats supposed to be tali |
| 14:36.59 | Dagmar | Yeah but they're damn vague about it |
| 14:37.15 | Dagmar | The way it's posed they seem to be implying the picture is somewhat racy |
| 14:38.39 | airtonix | anyone here got experience with Gruntfiles ? |
| 14:39.16 | Kultzi | http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/85/85113.jpg |
| 14:39.29 | Kultzi | seems to be a stock photo x) |
| 14:39.45 | Dagmar | OMG |
| 14:40.06 | Dagmar | So... basically, she gave him a photo frame, and that's the picture that came with it. |
| 14:40.10 | Dagmar | lol |
| 14:40.39 | Dagmar | ...which means the present really was a kinky picture |
| 14:41.42 | Dagmar | God I want to troll the ME3 wiki so badly right now |
| 14:42.19 | airtonix | i'll get a kick starter rolling to fund fisker to help you |
| 14:43.22 | Dagmar | I could totally paint that as Tali was actually trying to give Shepard a naughty "hint" by giving him a suggestive photo of a woman's naked face as a present |
| 14:44.43 | Dagmar | ...like miss "I made you a video too. *NFCTAP* You probably shouldn't watch it on the plane." |
| 14:45.22 | zenzelezz | NFCTAP? |
| 14:45.31 | Dagmar | You haven't seen the commercial? |
| 14:45.47 | Dagmar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQYa-bUQhrA |
| 14:45.59 | zenzelezz | probably doesn't run in Norway |
| 14:46.31 | Dagmar | Considering it was a commercial for the Galaxy S3, I'm pretty sure it does |
| 14:46.50 | Dagmar | THe fun thing about that commercial is that NFC is *FUCKING RETARDEDLY SLOW* for large amounts of data |
| 14:47.07 | Dagmar | So she was probably putting her video up on a public redirector without realizing it |
| 14:48.35 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can watch it anywhere in the world. https://www.google.com/search?q=you+probably+shoudln't+watch+it+on+the+plane |
| 15:00.27 | airtonix | but it's not nfc that transfers the data right? |
| 15:00.53 | airtonix | doesn't nfc just arrange the transfer then passes it over to bluetooth? |
| 15:01.06 | airtonix | or wifi |
| 15:03.24 | airtonix | http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/nfc-ring-can-unlock-your-smartphone-or-front-door/ |
| 15:10.52 | Fisker | why do you want to be murdered haste ? |
| 15:11.07 | haste | do i? |
| 15:11.22 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:11.26 | Fisker | My package is still in norway |
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| 16:33.36 | Silvanas | hi good evening |
| 16:35.39 | karl_w_w | god damn I've got shephard stuck somehow |
| 16:42.14 | zenzelezz | did you sort of glide up the wall, out of geometry? |
| 16:42.17 | zenzelezz | that happend to me twice |
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| 16:59.21 | karl_w_w | yeah, I found a complex way to fix it |
| 16:59.52 | karl_w_w | download a tool with no instructions to enable console mode, then use the console to enter ghost mode which lets you walk through walls |
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| 17:33.15 | airtonix | karl_w_w: i have a better solution, it's technically superior and requires no effort. |
| 17:33.24 | airtonix | interested? |
| 17:35.49 | Silvanas | does anyonek now if there are any plans to actualy make RegisterAddonMessagePrefix reqired ? |
| 17:38.20 | Neffi_ | not likely |
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| 17:43.20 | Silvanas | i think it was a good idea but that was like 3 years ago i think :D |
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| 17:45.04 | Neffi_ | 4.0 |
| 17:48.15 | nevcairiel | hm i thought they did do that, i had some addon that didnt receive comms until i added it |
| 17:55.35 | Neffi_ | they did it in 4.0 then hotfixed it away |
| 17:56.40 | Neffi_ | why must I wake up to no bacon OR coffee in the house |
| 17:56.51 | Neffi_ | It should be a human right that everyone have access to coffee and bacon |
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| 18:02.13 | nevcairiel | you do have access, but they dont bring it to you =p |
| 18:02.36 | Neffi_ | this is not the murrica my forefathers fought for |
| 18:03.40 | airtonix | your ancestors fought for something? |
| 18:04.01 | airtonix | i think my ancestors merely survived stalin |
| 18:04.03 | Neffi_ | I don't know |
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| 18:12.39 | karl_w_w | my ancestors beat the romans, the vikings, the french, the spanish, and the french again, amongst others |
| 18:12.56 | karl_w_w | mad airtonix? |
| 18:13.53 | airtonix | you also brought us the dark ages |
| 18:14.06 | airtonix | so i think that brings you back to sqaure one |
| 18:14.34 | Aeger73 | I come from a long line of war losers. Got banished from Sweden and England and Confederates in Civil War. WW1 was first war we won hah |
| 18:18.52 | airtonix | download progress: files remaining: 225,659 |
| 18:19.15 | Neffi_ | dafuq are you downloading? |
| 18:20.11 | airtonix | guildwars2 |
| 18:20.28 | Neffi_ | >_> |
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| 18:29.57 | Neffi_ | stops Fisker. |
| 18:30.04 | Fisker | I am not stopped |
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| 20:05.32 | Silvanas | if i to send a large table over the hidden addon channel (then yes i am doing it wrong :D) but would it be best lower bandwidth to send it over entry by entry or to zonvert it all to a textual reprensation and zip that and send that over |
| 20:05.50 | Silvanas | converting it to text ofcourse adds overhead such as sepeators |
| 20:06.35 | nevcairiel | in any case you should use ChatThrottleLib so that you dont overflow the comms |
| 20:07.10 | kd3 | serialize the table into a string, hand it off to the CTL to not get throttled, deserialize on the other end |
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| 20:26.43 | Silvanas | yeh that was part of the plan :D |
| 20:32.06 | Primer | heh, my daughter keeps bugging me to "upgrade her minecraft server". I just read this: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/more-information-on-the-minecraft-1-7-2-update.195138/ which confirms what I suspected, that Bukkit is developed by decompiling the minecraft server |
| 20:32.37 | Primer | and I can't explain to her in terms she understands what decompiling means |
| 20:32.40 | kd3 | it always has been, even after the bukkit devs got hired by mojang |
| 20:33.13 | kd3 | black box? you don't know how the inside works, but if you poke it in special ways you get useful results back? |
| 20:33.25 | Primer | She's 11 |
| 20:34.00 | Primer | Ok, wait, the bukkit people were hired by mojang, and they still don't have access to the source? |
| 20:34.31 | kd3 | they do, but their tooling is based on the decompiled source, and it'd be too much effort to refactor to the clean source |
| 20:35.24 | Primer | Well, I read that part, and it makes sense...but only if they don't have access to the source |
| 20:35.36 | Primer | I'd say they need to bite the bullet and re-tool now that they have it |
| 20:36.26 | zenzelezz | well this is a well-structured poll... "not interested - interested - a little interested - very interested - not relevant" |
| 20:37.28 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I'll check it later today for you, bloke |
| 20:37.32 | bleeter | meanwhile |
| 20:37.47 | bleeter | why the fuck are blizzard bothering with WinXP support on their Battle.net application? |
| 20:37.54 | bleeter | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10585638593#1 |
| 20:38.07 | bleeter | Doesn't XP die in Feb or something next year? |
| 20:38.12 | kd3 | because a non-negligible amount of their install base is on it? |
| 20:38.12 | kd3 | april |
| 20:38.13 | Ressy | Thought it was April |
| 20:38.14 | Amarande | bleeter: actually seems like a lot of gaming stuff still supports XP |
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| 20:38.31 | Amarande | and yeah, a lot of gamers are still *on* XP, unfortunately. |
| 20:38.48 | bleeter | Right, April (Feb being 3 months before... 3 months planning blah blah my brain hurts) |
| 20:38.49 | Amarande | I blame a constellation of ill circumstances surrounding Windows for that one |
| 20:39.10 | bleeter | I blame the minor detail that XP is prob the most successful OS ever |
| 20:39.20 | Amarande | Vista was not well received, lots of people still hate the Eight |
| 20:39.34 | Ressy | We're still on XP at work. |
| 20:40.15 | Amarande | 7 is the only upgrade from XP that seems to have really been popular |
| 20:40.36 | Amarande | and I suppose a lot of people either aren't or don't think they're eligible for upgrade pricing and $200 is too much for them |
| 20:40.47 | Mr_Rabies | i use vista :v |
| 20:40.58 | bleeter | the old law about every second release is good, avoid releases that are 'odd' numbers |
| 20:41.09 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: oh you rebel you |
| 20:41.25 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: i bet that pulls all the girls |
| 20:41.31 | Amarande | bleeter: actually isn't it the evens that are usually the lemons with Windows? |
| 20:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | sp2 integrated installs really are fine if you know what you're doing, but if you don't, then it kinda sucks |
| 20:41.53 | bleeter | btw, if the person responsible for the 'LFR/Other Raids' UI is in this channel they better watch out. Can't believe I've wasted so much time with that crappy UI |
| 20:41.55 | Amarande | Let's see ... Win 2.0 I guess was probably okay but didn't really seem to be all that popular |
| 20:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | lots of tweaking to get it to run quickly, etc |
| 20:42.05 | Amarande | 3.x was revolutionary and quickly became a staple |
| 20:42.26 | Amarande | Then there was Win95, which was revolutionary as well but really wasn't so great in "real life" |
| 20:42.40 | Amarande | Then there was Win98, which is pretty much what Win95 ought to have been and became a staple for a while |
| 20:42.45 | Amarande | Then there was WinME, which is not for ME |
| 20:42.47 | Mr_Rabies | bleeter: that's where the new cross realm oqueue/openraidalike is going in WoD |
| 20:42.52 | bleeter | you're forgetting Win95 OSR2 |
| 20:43.02 | bleeter | second release of Win95 was pretty good ;) QED |
| 20:43.06 | airtonix | leaves a replicant conversation partner and edges out of the room |
| 20:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | win98 was pretty janky |
| 20:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | but 98SE was amazing |
| 20:43.19 | Amarande | bleeter: kind of a non-starter though, because they made it pretty much impossible to get legally unless you purchased a pre-built PC from a major company |
| 20:43.28 | Amarande | a *new* pre-built PC, at that |
| 20:43.56 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: what stunned me was how long it took me to realise that LFR is not actually LFR, LFR is under 'Other Raids' on the raid tab. LFR is actually 'LF Informal R' |
| 20:44.18 | airtonix | bleeter: isn't that obvious? |
| 20:44.21 | Amarande | And then we get to NT 5.x, aka, the XP era, which caught on like wildfire |
| 20:44.24 | airtonix | i thought it was obvious |
| 20:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, what we call LFR is called Raid Finder internally |
| 20:44.32 | airtonix | how can you not instantly understand that |
| 20:44.48 | Mr_Rabies | or officially |
| 20:44.53 | Amarande | Then there was Vista, which ... wasn't anywhere near as bad as it got billing for, but still got a poor reception (and actually DOES have some really nasty howlers if you look into it) |
| 20:44.55 | airtonix | internally? |
| 20:44.58 | bleeter | airtonix: was only obvious after I got sick and tired of wondering who the dickhead was leading the group, looked under raid tab and wondered what 'other raids' was all about haha |
| 20:44.59 | Amarande | Then there was 7, which is what Vista ought've been |
| 20:45.01 | nevcairiel | at least /lfr opens it, officially :p |
| 20:45.16 | Mr_Rabies | they're working on it, bleeter |
| 20:45.19 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: what do you mean by internally? |
| 20:45.19 | nevcairiel | people really still use the old raid browser? |
| 20:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | well, i meant officially, airtonix |
| 20:45.31 | nevcairiel | it never really was useful |
| 20:45.32 | airtonix | no you didn't |
| 20:45.40 | airtonix | you slipped |
| 20:45.45 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 20:45.48 | airtonix | you meant to say offically |
| 20:45.51 | airtonix | as a cover story |
| 20:45.56 | airtonix | but the truth came out |
| 20:45.57 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: that's great. 'coz the changes in WoD sound OK. Just kinda not only stunned me how buried it was, also how few raids I've ever seen in 'other raids' (ie, never) |
| 20:46.10 | airtonix | so bleeter, the person responsible for the UI is right there |
| 20:46.13 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 20:46.26 | nevcairiel | bleeter: noone ever uses that old raid browser |
| 20:46.29 | airtonix | you know the problem with lying |
| 20:46.35 | bleeter | also, the method for choosing multiple raids is a little sucky |
| 20:46.38 | airtonix | you have to remember the lie |
| 20:46.40 | Mr_Rabies | it was used for a short while before Raid Finder was added |
| 20:46.45 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 20:46.50 | kd3 | between 3.3 and 4.3 |
| 20:46.56 | bleeter | nevcairiel: because it's buried behind the 'beware of the tiger' sign on the locked door in the darkened room ;) |
| 20:47.03 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Raid_Browser |
| 20:47.05 | bleeter | hang on, was it a leopard |
| 20:47.09 | Amarande | bleeter: no, the opposite |
| 20:47.11 | bleeter | hell, gunna have to listen to that all again. |
| 20:47.16 | nevcairiel | bleeter: no, because it sucked even when it was more obvious in the UI |
| 20:47.20 | Amarande | it's more like ot the "MAINTENANCE CLOSET" |
| 20:47.26 | Amarande | *it's stuffed in the |
| 20:47.28 | nevcairiel | it just hid in the background when LFR was added |
| 20:47.37 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, it sucks now, hopefully they really knock it out of the park and send the oqueue guy crawling back to mediocrity |
| 20:47.43 | bleeter | I've listened to H2G2 so much on Shuffle, I can barely remember it's actual time line any more let alone quotes omg I am such fail |
| 20:47.48 | Amarande | if it was actually behind a Beware of Tiger sign on a locked door in a darkened room EVERYONE would be finding it :) |
| 20:48.12 | bleeter | having said that, though, h2g2 still makes a shocking amount of sense on Shuffle |
| 20:49.08 | bleeter | ah well, that's my moan for this morning. I'll leave the 3D nVidia vision moaning alone for another week 'coz that's probably harder ;) |
| 20:49.21 | Amarande | heh nvidia |
| 20:49.38 | Amarande | I might consider a GTX when they're actually more price competitive with Radeons :S |
| 20:50.38 | bleeter | I mean, seriously, I can't plug the USB dongle in after Launching WoW without (a) only having red/blue 3D (b) it gets very crash if I turn it off. Then there's the eyestrain from the mouse pointer not sitting in the 3D world |
| 20:50.44 | bleeter | gah, I said I wasn't going to moan |
| 20:50.50 | bleeter | ~lart bleeter |
| 20:50.50 | purl | cuts bleeter into thin stripes |
| 20:50.59 | bleeter | ouch |
| 20:52.36 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 20:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | i gotta get a better weapon on my dk |
| 20:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | he's rocking the spear of xuen at 90, loll |
| 20:53.50 | bleeter | lol, whatever works for the ilvl Mr_Rabies ;) |
| 20:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/ryoma/advanced |
| 20:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | they really did need to make weapons less of a weird disparity in comparison to everything else |
| 20:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | if i didn't have this from leveling i could have easily had a 450 ilvl weapon and all this 496+ gear |
| 20:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | i realize the weapon's the most powerful piece, but dang :| |
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| 20:58.01 | bleeter | heh, I had no idea that there were TImeless trinkets from drops |
| 20:58.07 | bleeter | needs to get out more |
| 20:58.44 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I wish they were proper heirlooms, not 'just' battl.net bound and min lvl (MAX-5) |
| 20:59.04 | Mr_Rabies | can't upgrade the timeless curios with a burden though, keep that in mind |
| 20:59.18 | Mr_Rabies | the only way to get a 535 one is 50000 coins |
| 21:00.04 | bleeter | I gotta get the rep. Which means I gotta kill shit. Which means I need a group. Which means I need to get off this RP realm which means I'm not transferring which means NO GROOPZ FOR JOO BLEETZ |
| 21:00.20 | bleeter | *this next to dead RP realm |
| 21:00.30 | airtonix | http://chocolatey.org/ |
| 21:00.42 | bleeter | I shudder to think the Blizz convos about coalescing RP realms |
| 21:01.43 | bleeter | airtonix: wut? haha |
| 21:02.37 | airtonix | windows is a royal pain in the ass |
| 21:03.01 | bleeter | but only because '*nix is a royal pita as well' |
| 21:03.06 | bleeter | ALL HAIL DAVE CUTLER! |
| 21:03.34 | airtonix | nah linux is awesome |
| 21:03.49 | airtonix | though macosx sucks dog balls too |
| 21:03.57 | bleeter | bollocks, it's a screaming heap of shit |
| 21:04.15 | bleeter | every OS sucks |
| 21:04.20 | airtonix | like your mum |
| 21:04.35 | airtonix | golfballs |
| 21:04.47 | airtonix | golfballOS |
| 21:04.48 | bleeter | Linux is so great, it can't properly handle the IO chip on a $50 ARM machine haha |
| 21:05.03 | airtonix | oh |
| 21:05.22 | airtonix | i would then try windows |
| 21:05.24 | Neffi_ | Your code doens't run on my toaster. It sucks. |
| 21:05.27 | bleeter | airtonix: I roll my own linux here for my internal network. I've callled it 'Bleeters System OS', aka 'BSOS' |
| 21:05.48 | Neffi_ | Pronounced "b-sauce"? |
| 21:05.58 | bleeter | BS-OS |
| 21:06.03 | Neffi_ | boring |
| 21:06.13 | bleeter | boring-sauce? hmmm |
| 21:06.56 | bleeter | I will grant linux one thing, it doesn't suck as much as what the distros suck |
| 21:07.06 | airtonix | lol? |
| 21:07.06 | bleeter | s/what/how/ |
| 21:07.20 | airtonix | still not making sense |
| 21:07.24 | bleeter | airtonix: see the thread on Debian Security about ssl certs etc. |
| 21:07.32 | Neffi_ | Does anyone here play GW2? |
| 21:07.38 | airtonix | no |
| 21:07.44 | bleeter | airtonix: same problem's been plaguing Redhad since... iirc the Bugzilla entry is 1998 or something |
| 21:07.57 | Neffi_ | That wasn't really a question I expected a no from |
| 21:08.01 | airtonix | tl;dr it for me bleeter |
| 21:08.15 | Neffi_ | Gonna get it in a few weeks and I wanna know what server to join |
| 21:08.18 | airtonix | Neffi_: i'm still downloading it. so im not playing it |
| 21:08.22 | Neffi_ | So I can harass #wowuidev'ers |
| 21:08.54 | airtonix | 8.6G or 16G |
| 21:08.57 | airtonix | of* |
| 21:09.05 | bleeter | airtonix: cannot trust any Debian install. Cannot trust Redhat and derived systems on a network install. Both have issues also with updating, depending on how one does it, to varying levels |
| 21:09.09 | Neffi_ | 16G is surprisingly small |
| 21:09.29 | airtonix | bleeter: time to use gentoo? |
| 21:09.44 | bleeter | airtonix: it boils down to how one gets the install keys for packages and how to verify that |
| 21:09.51 | Neffi_ | It's always time to use Gentoo, after you spend days compiling shit |
| 21:10.18 | airtonix | day 54: the natives still don't realise I'm not actually compiling. |
| 21:10.32 | bleeter | gentoo? you guys are so behind the times. Madness is the purview of Arch these days. |
| 21:10.59 | airtonix | yeah forgive me, i thought iPhones were hip. |
| 21:11.10 | Neffi_ | iPhones are too mainstream |
| 21:11.15 | airtonix | rectifies the knowledge gap |
| 21:11.21 | Neffi_ | Windows Mobile CE is where it's at |
| 21:14.06 | Dagmar | slips a Chinese iPhone battery into Neffi's pocket. |
| 21:14.29 | airtonix | anyway bleeter, getting back to reality. developing with sass python and django is horrible on windows compared to linux. |
| 21:14.34 | Neffi_ | explodes. |
| 21:14.47 | airtonix | same deal with nodejs |
| 21:14.58 | airtonix | and (shudder) php |
| 21:15.06 | Neffi_ | Use OpenRest |
| 21:15.09 | Neffi_ | OpenResty* |
| 21:15.36 | airtonix | in fact if it's not a language or technology created by microsoft... it's horrible to use on windows |
| 21:15.37 | Neffi_ | Or rather, Lapis |
| 21:17.04 | airtonix | Neffi_: doesn't openwrt use a lua app engine for it's web admin? |
| 21:17.52 | Neffi_ | Maybe |
| 21:18.03 | Neffi_ | I don't actually do web dev at all. Just thought I'd throw it out there. |
| 21:18.17 | Neffi_ | #lua loves Lapis/OpenResty and I thought it looked interesting when they recommended it |
| 21:18.36 | airtonix | also why does openresty patch nginx, why can't it just use the same technique that uwsgi uses |
| 21:19.07 | Neffi_ | No idea |
| 21:19.25 | bleeter | airtonix: fwiw, here's the start of the recent 'hey how ugly is this' round http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2013/10/msg00027.html |
| 21:20.01 | bleeter | there's another thread that started which I can't find right now, is about handling key recovation foo |
| 21:20.14 | airtonix | lol? no ssl wtf |
| 21:20.18 | bleeter | thus, nothing wrong with the kernel. it's distro suckage ;) |
| 21:20.29 | airtonix | i bet they use php too |
| 21:20.41 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.57 | bleeter | airtonix: remember, debian is the distro that lets packagers build locally and upload to get it distributed to people (afaik, not all, but some are handled this way...) |
| 21:22.06 | airtonix | system level packaging kinda sucks on all distros |
| 21:22.19 | Arrowmaster | i thought only a source package was uploaded and binaries were done on a buildbot |
| 21:22.28 | bleeter | 08:09 < bleeter> I will grant linux one thing, it doesn't suck as much as what the distros suck |
| 21:22.39 | airtonix | it's way harder than it needs to be compared to say creating a pypi package |
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| 21:41.37 | Silvanas | anyone remembered max length of a player name ? |
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| 21:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | 16 characters i think? |
| 21:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | i can quickly check |
| 21:46.28 | Mr_Rabies | actually, seems like 12 |
| 21:46.56 | Neffi_ | it is 12 |
| 21:47.13 | Neffi_ | I couldn't use Neffistopholes |
| 21:47.49 | Mr_Rabies | i just did 010203040506 lol |
| 21:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | before it ran out of space |
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| 21:59.06 | Silvanas | tnx :D |
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| 22:12.40 | Silvanas | are all lua string \0 terminated ? |
| 22:13.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:13.14 | Neffi_ | No Lua strings are \0 terminated |
| 22:13.41 | Neffi_ | The game engine terminates all displayed (or chat-transmitted) strings at \0 IIRC |
| 22:13.45 | Arrowmaster | for wow they basically are |
| 22:13.55 | Neffi_ | When displayed, yes |
| 22:13.58 | Neffi_ | But you can still store |
| 22:14.02 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 22:14.07 | Arrowmaster | also cant transmit them |
| 22:14.07 | Neffi_ | err, you can still store \0 mid-string |
| 22:14.46 | Arrowmaster | and yeah i was wrong |
| 22:14.55 | Silvanas | i noticed that wow programming specificly mentions it at the Prefix for SendAddonMessage, but its not noted at the actual message |
| 22:15.08 | Neffi_ | Lua has no such limitation on strings, Silvanas, so if you're storing something like binary data in your string, \0 is valid |
| 22:15.13 | nevcairiel | i think you can even send it over the addon comm channel |
| 22:15.17 | nevcairiel | just not usual chat |
| 22:15.22 | Neffi_ | You need to test that |
| 22:15.30 | Silvanas | trying to find out how much data i can send over in its smallest form :D so up to 254 different charecters per position |
| 22:15.31 | Neffi_ | In my experience the chat terminates anything after a |
| 22:15.33 | Neffi_ | \0 |
| 22:15.42 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: no \0 over addon comms |
| 22:15.58 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 22:16.22 | Semlar | there's a compression lib |
| 22:16.32 | Neffi_ | Silvanas: It SHOULD be \001 - \255, but test that to make sure |
| 22:17.12 | Silvanas | oke cool ill give it a test :D |
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| 22:54.23 | Silvanas | Tested it and indeed \0 willl truncate the string |
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| 23:11.08 | airtonix | who else hated enders game? |
| 23:11.21 | ccox | nobody, just you |
| 23:11.39 | ccox | Good book, decent adaptation, messed up author (but that's redundant) |
| 23:11.41 | airtonix | i didn't say i hated it |
| 23:14.06 | airtonix | wow ccox, such anger |
| 23:14.15 | Semlar-Laptop | i think you did |
| 23:14.19 | ccox | I didn't indicate any anger |
| 23:14.22 | airtonix | no actually i didn't |
| 23:14.24 | airtonix | (as he turns from the flames and pitchforks brandished by the angry villagers, he types: "who else hated enders game" ) |
| 23:15.14 | airtonix | i think i read once, that the english language plundered the best bits of latin, german, french and spanish |
| 23:16.11 | ccox | no, it took those into a back alley and mugged them for spare syntax |
| 23:16.18 | airtonix | yeah |
| 23:16.29 | airtonix | so english is to languages as apple is to computers |
| 23:16.59 | ccox | http://library.conlang.org/blog/?p=116 |
| 23:17.04 | Neffi_ | It has questionable ethics and uses slave labor? |
| 23:17.05 | ccox | and Microsoft |
| 23:18.00 | airtonix | ccox: that quote is awesome |
| 23:18.14 | airtonix | sounds like something terry pratchet would say |
| 23:18.18 | ccox | yep |
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