| 00:12.36 | Primer | re-compiles |
| 00:16.41 | Primer | doh, it's not making it past ./configure |
| 00:16.59 | Primer | makes distclean |
| 00:17.50 | Primer | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 00:17.52 | Primer | really? |
| 00:18.05 | Primer | oh, I forgot, 64 bit |
| 00:18.57 | Primer | time make -j5 |
| 00:26.29 | Primer | real 5m4.540s |
| 00:27.02 | Neffi | not too bad |
| 00:27.18 | Primer | quad core 1150 i5 |
| 00:27.22 | Primer | with 16g of ram |
| 00:27.33 | Neffi | damn |
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| 00:39.14 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: any idea why Blizz broke your Illegal Addon? ;) |
| 00:40.43 | Ressy | which illegal addon? |
| 00:42.34 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7355-IllegalAddon.html |
| 00:43.05 | bleeter | at least, it threw errors when I logged in with it last night. may have been interactions with other foo going on or similar. didn't really pay attention. |
| 00:43.37 | bleeter | oh hmm maybe old ACE foo? |
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| 01:01.10 | Neffi | it doesnt use Ace |
| 01:01.26 | Neffi | I think it included "Ace2 for speed!111!!!" as a joke. The code has no Ace. |
| 01:03.43 | zenzelezz | one does not simply Ace |
| 01:04.33 | Neffi | Aces zenzelezz. |
| 01:05.04 | kd3 | real 4m22.138s |
| 01:05.11 | kd3 | huh, that's a bit long for a wine recompile |
| 01:05.41 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:05.42 | Amarande | kd3: you kids are spoiled :) |
| 01:05.51 | Amarande | when I first used Linux, there were some compiles that took 10+ hours |
| 01:12.18 | sintAcks | welp. still locked up in WoW. so it wasn't the exe. |
| 01:12.23 | sintAcks | so i still have no fuckijng idea what is doing it. |
| 01:12.37 | Amarande | sintAcks: dying hard disk? buggy GPU drivers? bad RAM? |
| 01:12.39 | kd3 | run the repair tool in the launcher? |
| 01:12.46 | kd3 | memtest86+? |
| 01:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | when does it lock up? |
| 01:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | sintAcks: sorry if you mentioned it already, but do you have a rundown of how the lockup occurs? :O is it just wow or the whole system or what? :o |
| 01:40.50 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: hahaha |
| 01:41.10 | ScytheBlade1 | I had figured that it had been taken down due to inactivity by now... |
| 01:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | wait what @ the updated .toc: 'OptionalDeps: Ace2 |
| 01:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | IllegalAddon.lua |
| 01:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ' |
| 01:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I had forgotten that I added the Ace2 dep, haha |
| 01:44.57 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: can you confirm one way or the other that IllegalAddon functions under current WoW? I'll bump the ToC and re-upload if so |
| 01:45.43 | sintAcks | Amarande, kd3, i'm dualboxing right now. it's only happening on the main wow client. which is launched with the battle.net app |
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| 01:49.01 | Neffi | ScytheBlade1: You might need to change line 5 of your xml |
| 01:49.07 | Neffi | `this` -> `self` |
| 01:49.13 | Neffi | otherwise everything should work fine |
| 01:49.18 | Amarande | sintAcks: no other 3D graphics intensive games crash? |
| 01:52.49 | Amarande | (mostly wondering if it's possible that your graphics driver is buggy, which is often the case on Linux sadly) |
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| 02:22.30 | sintAcks | no, Amarande. just this wow install |
| 02:22.54 | sintAcks | hell. even the multibox's client is using a symlink of the first client's exe and data folder |
| 02:23.08 | sintAcks | but i started having these issues before i even started boxing again |
| 02:23.24 | sintAcks | at first i figured it was an addon. but couldn't figure out what addon |
| 02:23.32 | sintAcks | and then it happened when i didn't even have an addon installed |
| 02:25.24 | MiRai | Sintacks: Are you using any custom fonts in the /fonts folder? |
| 02:25.49 | Sintacks | interface\fonts ? |
| 02:25.50 | Sintacks | no |
| 02:26.27 | MiRai | Just asking since I had experienced weird lock-ups and the cause was a font |
| 02:26.38 | Sintacks | i have a couple fonts loaded with shared media |
| 02:26.46 | MiRai | Oddly enough the lock-ups never occured when I was multiboxing, only while playing solo |
| 02:26.55 | Sintacks | they happen when i'm solo too |
| 02:27.09 | Sintacks | i only mentioned dualboxing because the second client has not locked up once |
| 02:27.21 | Sintacks | and the main has locked up like. 12 times in two days |
| 02:27.26 | Sintacks | two times just now within 5 minutes |
| 02:27.30 | MiRai | You're using separate folders for two clients? |
| 02:30.02 | Sintacks | yes |
| 02:30.09 | Sintacks | main is on an SSD |
| 02:30.22 | Sintacks | slave is on an HDD, but has symlinks for the exe and data folder on the SSD |
| 02:30.28 | MiRai | Are you doing that to keep config.wtf or addons separate? |
| 02:30.29 | Sintacks | has it's own WTF on the HDD |
| 02:30.33 | Sintacks | yes |
| 02:30.43 | MiRai | Are you using any software to multibox? |
| 02:30.47 | Sintacks | keyclone |
| 02:30.57 | Sintacks | lockups started before i even installed keyclone again |
| 02:30.59 | Sintacks | like a month ago |
| 02:31.07 | Sintacks | lockups started a month or so ago |
| 02:31.12 | Sintacks | installed keyclone again two days ago |
| 02:33.57 | MiRai | Hmmm, well I can't say that I have an answer or even a good guess at this point, but if you're locking up while playing solo w/o any addons, then I guess I might try just playing solo from the HDD install. |
| 02:34.03 | MiRai | if you don't lock up there, then I'd blame the SSD perhaps |
| 02:34.25 | pompy | anyone have a file for a murloc ringtone to share? lol |
| 02:34.53 | kd3 | lol |
| 02:34.55 | kd3 | hold on |
| 02:36.25 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.03 | pompy | danke. |
| 02:46.20 | pompy | kd3: odd., i click 'add' in the ringtones box, and select dropbox and select teh murloc file, then theres a lil progress bar, it finishes but i dont see the file in the ringtones list |
| 02:46.52 | kd3 | I had to manually move it to /sdcard/Music before it'd show up for me |
| 02:48.45 | pompy | oh cool i can export it from the dropbox app into a folder on the sdcard |
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| 03:22.44 | Arrowmaster | pompy, kd3: proper location on android would be /sdcard/Notifications/ |
| 03:23.38 | pompy | notifications for "message alerts" and "ringtones" for ringtones! |
| 03:24.14 | Arrowmaster | on stock android you just drop files in those folders and they show up in the selector |
| 03:24.45 | Arrowmaster | there is no add button on the ringtone or notification sound menus |
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| 03:29.11 | pompy | theres an add button on the ringtone selector for me |
| 03:29.19 | pompy | not for the message alert tho |
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| 04:01.25 | Dagmar | The one problem with that theory is that the location in "stock" Android actually fucking _changes_ |
| 04:01.53 | Dagmar | It looks like they quit fucking around a bit in 4.2-land and made the damn thing /extSdCard as a symlink that points to the actual place. |
| 04:02.27 | Dagmar | On _many_ of the devices, /sdcard is actually just a goddamn partition of the internal flash memory, and the _actual_ physical sd card winds up being /sdcard/1 or similar |
| 04:04.09 | Dagmar | ...and if you think this is only a minor annoyance, spend some time bouncing between 3.2, 4.0, and 4.1 sometime, completely setting your phone up again each and every time. |
| 04:04.17 | Dagmar | It will REALLY PISS YOU OFF. |
| 04:04.50 | Dagmar | Like "Goddamnit I put my shit on the sdcard! WHY doesn't it fucking see it!" |
| 04:06.03 | Dagmar | _Many_ apps will store the actual path in the filesystem, rather than the abstracted path (which apparently didn't really exist properly until 4.x) which just makes things especially annoying |
| 04:11.28 | Arrowmaster | i only use nexus devices so its always been /sdcard/ for me |
| 04:11.37 | Dagmar | You're lucky. |
| 04:12.01 | Dagmar | Samsung appears to have decided to refactor it with every single release. Another reason I have not considered going back from Cyanogenmod |
| 04:12.21 | Dagmar | At some point they apparently said "fuck it. let's make an /extSdCard and call it a day" |
| 04:13.13 | Dagmar | Freakin' CallRecorder is one of those apps that stores the actual path, which makes it real fun when the damn thing starts putting recordings on the small 8Gb partition instead of the spacious/highspeed class 10 sd card you got |
| 04:13.32 | Arrowmaster | and /sdcard/ is now a symlink to /storage/emulated/legacy |
| 04:13.39 | Arrowmaster | as part of the multiuser change |
| 04:14.11 | Dagmar | Well, thank god it's a symlink so it'll probably keep pointing at whichever actual storage media it's pointed at now |
| 04:14.54 | Dagmar | I can understand some of the problem, since apparently one of the things about presenting itself to a PC as a thumbdrive means the connector requires _exclusive_ filesystem access |
| 04:15.16 | Arrowmaster | nexus devices did away with that too |
| 04:15.24 | Dagmar | Otherwise, double-mount and great lulz ensue |
| 04:15.39 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm a proponent of MTP now |
| 04:15.41 | kd3|hate`net | didn't the removal of usb mass storage mode happen in... 4.0? earlier? |
| 04:15.59 | Dagmar | No it's still present. They've just worked around that shit now |
| 04:16.11 | Arrowmaster | it happened on devices released with that, my nexus s stayed the same |
| 04:16.26 | Arrowmaster | mass storage mode is gone from all recent nexus devices |
| 04:16.34 | kd3 | meh. all I see is 'camera mode' and 'media mode' via mtp in my s4 |
| 04:16.36 | Dagmar | I can't say that's a bad thing |
| 04:17.00 | Dagmar | The few times I used mass storage mode I had a few apps freak the fuck out |
| 04:17.11 | Arrowmaster | instead of having a partition just for installing apps to and an internal sdcard partitioned in fat32, its not just one big /data partition in ext3/4 |
| 04:17.28 | Dagmar | I got a call while I was connected to the USB cable and CallRecorder promptly lost it's damn mind |
| 04:17.47 | Arrowmaster | so mass storage mode cant work since theres no fat32 partition anymore |
| 04:18.59 | Dagmar | Well, it's not that so much as it is there's no longer a separate partition, so it can't have exclusive filesystem access |
| 04:19.34 | Dagmar | ...and may fire rain down upon the people who would like to redo the whole fs as fat32 |
| 04:19.42 | Arrowmaster | fuck that |
| 04:20.22 | Arrowmaster | im wondering how well 4.4 even works on devices that still use fat32 since its enabled a bunch of selinux stuff |
| 04:20.37 | Dagmar | It's probably using disk_lol_t |
| 04:20.50 | kd3 | heh |
| 04:22.16 | Dagmar | I found a primer on selinux the other night that uses little cartoon guys to represent the contexts. |
| 04:22.37 | kd3 | o_O |
| 04:22.48 | Dagmar | Still waiting to hear back from the author, because I emailed him suggesting that most people's problem isn't the idea of labels, but that RHEL's implementation would best be drawn as a fucking Where's Waldo page |
| 04:22.59 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:23.18 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 04:23.50 | Dagmar | When I have to go to the source to figure out what the fuck label to apply to something, _that's a problem_ |
| 04:25.40 | Dagmar | I blew three hours last week trying to fix a flash server, only to realize that the actual problem was that the guy who set it up had given up and disabled selinux, and some tool had accidentally turned it back on. |
| 04:25.55 | Dagmar | I was like "No one noticed half the videos don't stream anymore?" |
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| 04:26.13 | Dagmar | ...and by "tool" I mean "contractor". |
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| 05:26.54 | Mr_Rabies | holy hell this is a hilarious bug |
| 05:27.02 | Mr_Rabies | sooooo in karazhan, i locked myself in aran's room somehow |
| 05:27.32 | Mr_Rabies | and i tried using engie charges on the door to no avail, so i try teleporting to GY using "character stuck" |
| 05:27.43 | Mr_Rabies | that works, i go back in, tell the guy to teleport me to the library |
| 05:27.45 | Mr_Rabies | he does |
| 05:27.49 | Mr_Rabies | INTO THE ROOM I WAS JUST STUCK IN |
| 05:28.30 | Dagmar | Hahahaha! |
| 05:29.21 | Mr_Rabies | also most doors have anti-lock measures in the form of torches you can pull/switches you can flip |
| 05:29.23 | Mr_Rabies | but not this one |
| 05:29.45 | Mr_Rabies | well most doors in vanilla, i thought tbc too |
| 05:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, door's totally locked up on both sides |
| 05:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
| 05:32.37 | Shirik | Iriel jnwhiteh: it is done |
| 05:32.45 | Iriel | Shirik: huzzah |
| 05:32.47 | Shirik | also |
| 05:32.52 | Shirik | amex blocked my first attempt to purchase it |
| 05:33.03 | Iriel | nice of them |
| 05:33.05 | Shirik | and I log into the anti-fraud page and there's a $15 purchase from the UK |
| 05:33.10 | Shirik | and I'm like "wtf" |
| 05:33.19 | Shirik | and then I remembered I had to buy something from MISRA recently >.> |
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| 05:33.44 | Shirik | scared me for a few minutes though |
| 05:34.25 | Iriel | So did you go to a store or order online? |
| 05:34.48 | Shirik | I ordered online |
| 05:34.55 | Shirik | I live in the middle of nowhere |
| 05:34.58 | Shirik | I don't have much of an option |
| 05:35.02 | bluspacecow | *noms Shirik* |
| 05:35.08 | Iriel | is spoiled |
| 05:35.19 | Shirik | even the nearest best buy is 60 miles away |
| 05:35.30 | Iriel | My nearest apple store is about 12 minutes away |
| 05:35.33 | Iriel | On foot. |
| 05:35.54 | Ressy | craziness in Montreal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZdrNOaOWE |
| 05:38.56 | Shirik | sounds about right |
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| 06:48.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.buzzle.com/articles/ways-to-get-rid-of-fruit-flies.html some of these are funny |
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| 07:01.49 | Semlar | what i do is actually just tent and fumigate the entire house |
| 07:02.10 | Semlar | it's pretty effective |
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| 08:34.20 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/bVOpA |
| 08:40.33 | jleclanche | anyone tried x-rebirth? does it work on linux? |
| 08:40.40 | jleclanche | or on wine |
| 08:48.12 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 08:48.32 | Mr_Rabies | has anyone tried implementing the proposed item squish shown at blizzcon as an addon yet? |
| 08:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | i realize numbers are pretty much 100% likely to change, but i'm curious if anyone's tried yet |
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| 09:00.05 | jleclanche | I think my text editor is trolling me |
| 09:01.00 | jleclanche | ship["manufacturer"] == "MISC‏" is false |
| 09:01.03 | jleclanche | ship["manufacturer"] == "MISC" is true |
| 09:02.52 | Iriel | jleclanche: preparing for next week's sale? |
| 09:03.23 | jleclanche | Iriel: nah just fixing my script |
| 09:03.24 | jleclanche | but |
| 09:03.24 | jleclanche | wtf |
| 09:03.29 | jleclanche | http://leclan.ch/public/out.diff.txt |
| 09:03.33 | jleclanche | explain this please |
| 09:03.53 | jleclanche | i bet theres a dead accent here |
| 09:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | quantum superposition |
| 09:04.41 | Iriel | print(4, ship["manufacturer"] == "MISC?M-^@M-^O", |
| 09:04.48 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 09:04.50 | jleclanche | fuck |
| 09:04.52 | Iriel | cat -e is your friend |
| 09:04.55 | Iriel | that's the line you removed |
| 09:05.08 | jleclanche | i didnt know about cat -e |
| 09:05.14 | jleclanche | i assumed cat would see it |
| 09:05.21 | Iriel | There's one after concern as well |
| 09:06.07 | Sintacks | keyclone's click clone is clunky and slow :| |
| 09:06.14 | jleclanche | juffed didnt see it |
| 09:06.14 | jleclanche | :/ |
| 09:06.22 | jleclanche | im never not using vim again |
| 09:09.12 | Hazal | Any of you who knows how GetBattlefieldTeamInfo() changed in 5.4 it seems to give me wierd info since the patch. |
| 09:20.42 | Shirik | karl_w_w: I actually have done the vinegar trick |
| 09:20.45 | Shirik | it works REALLY well |
| 09:20.59 | Shirik | there's actually a better way |
| 09:21.05 | Shirik | if you put soap in it too, they end up drowning |
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| 11:34.50 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/ZXhlrFOURA1Z |
| 11:34.58 | jleclanche | thats one of the worst props ive ever seen |
| 11:35.51 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 11:37.11 | Fisker | looks legit |
| 11:38.03 | Caleb| | "better take a close up, so people can see it is legit" |
| 11:49.11 | Fisker | This is pretty weird |
| 11:49.32 | Fisker | The official factory image for 4.4 on Nexus 4 has the filenames from 4.3 but the actual content is newer |
| 12:19.26 | Fisker | I want my package haste |
| 12:20.05 | haste | You can have it after you've gone to the store for me |
| 12:20.11 | haste | too lazy to put on pants |
| 12:20.32 | Fisker | go pantsless |
| 12:21.04 | haste | too cold |
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| 12:51.00 | jleclanche | Fisker: get on minecraft |
| 12:51.12 | Fisker | what why? |
| 12:51.24 | jleclanche | because everyone else's offline |
| 12:52.12 | Fisker | Pretty sure a lot of people is playing minecraft |
| 12:53.20 | nevcairiel | are playing |
| 12:53.35 | Fisker | fuck you nevcairiel |
| 12:53.40 | Fisker | I'm concentrating on something else |
| 12:57.14 | Fisker | I love you though nevcairiel |
| 12:57.35 | nevcairiel | why? |
| 12:57.58 | Fisker | Why not? |
| 13:02.29 | Fisker | :( |
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| 14:16.04 | Hazal | What would be one of the best way to check if a specific string is in a table? |
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| 14:16.28 | nevcairiel | i think you have to be more specific |
| 14:17.55 | Hazal | Which part of it is not specific enough? |
| 14:18.13 | nevcairiel | how your table looks |
| 14:18.30 | Hazal | Something along the lines of t = {"a", "b", "c"} |
| 14:18.40 | Hazal | And I want to see if "a" is in the table t |
| 14:19.04 | nevcairiel | not really any fancy options, just loop and check |
| 14:19.34 | nevcairiel | could restructure it to save them as the table keys, then you can do a hash lookup |
| 14:21.22 | Hazal | I think I figured it out. Thanks nev |
| 14:25.43 | Hazal | Ealier today I asked if any of you guys knew if GetBattlefieldTeamInfo() had changed in 5.4 because it does not appear to return the values it used to for me. Does anyone know in which way it changed? |
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| 14:32.25 | Neffi | test for yourself |
| 14:32.29 | Neffi | print(GetBattlefieldTeamInfo()) |
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| 15:07.06 | karl_w_w | keep pinning my recycle bin to start by mistake |
| 15:09.01 | Neffi | I only have it pinned to start |
| 15:09.05 | Neffi | It's an eyesore on the deskto |
| 15:10.33 | Arrowmaster | i never see my desktop |
| 15:11.14 | Neffi | Oh, Arrowmaster; blind jokes are not in good taste |
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| 15:20.27 | zenzelezz | I wish people in MMOs would learn what RNG really is; and how that's not the sole reason why they have bad luck |
| 15:25.10 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/8ZDgStl EA really pushing monopoly bingo |
| 15:31.47 | zenzelezz | damnit! It's 16:30 and I just remembered I forgot breakfast |
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| 15:33.28 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:34.01 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 15:34.33 | nevcairiel | hey Fisker |
| 15:42.21 | zenzelezz | I wonder if this G+ Youtube commenting will make people stop posting serial numbers in there |
| 15:47.49 | Fisker | serial numbers zenzelezz ? |
| 15:48.13 | zenzelezz | serials, if you prefer the short word |
| 15:48.52 | Fisker | you mean as in serial keys for programs? |
| 15:48.56 | zenzelezz | yes |
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| 16:02.39 | Arrowmaster | you can still post anonymously |
| 16:06.37 | Fisker | I can brr |
| 16:10.28 | zenzelezz | how? I only tried once to comment, but it gave a funky "sign in to comment!" bar |
| 16:10.47 | karl_w_w | oh god only 3 dats to planetside 2 |
| 16:10.51 | karl_w_w | days |
| 16:11.06 | zenzelezz | slow download? |
| 16:11.18 | karl_w_w | slow release date |
| 16:11.46 | zenzelezz | I'm confused |
| 16:11.51 | zenzelezz | it's been out for forever |
| 16:15.17 | karl_w_w | oh really |
| 16:15.23 | karl_w_w | so it has |
| 16:19.23 | zenzelezz | I should try it again. It was fun for a few weeks on release, but I hear they've made a lot of changes since then |
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| 16:25.18 | karl_w_w | the downside is I'm terrible at FPSes |
| 16:33.28 | Neffi | FPS games are inherently simple |
| 16:33.33 | zenzelezz | that's why I usually play support |
| 16:33.38 | Neffi | It doesn't take a lot to become good at it except straight practice |
| 16:34.12 | Neffi | I sucked at FPS games before I started playing with my friends. I got good a lot faster than I thought I would. |
| 16:38.49 | Neffi | they broke Newegg |
| 16:39.20 | Neffi | You can't filter motherboard by form factor, chipset, socket. Can't filter CPUs by socket, etc. |
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| 16:51.11 | zenzelezz | if you could, they would lose ad money because you only visited one page! |
| 16:51.45 | Neffi | >_> |
| 16:51.55 | Neffi | wait, I don't think Newegg has ads |
| 16:52.18 | nevcairiel | shops usually dont advertise, other for themself |
| 16:53.20 | nevcairiel | although they may have ad contracts themself which control which products are shown in particular prominent positions :p |
| 16:54.10 | Neffi | Seems common |
| 16:54.31 | Neffi | I doubt Newegg's promoted product banners are chosen randomly or accidentally |
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| 17:02.27 | VIad | http://ss.bool.no/capture_1384621324.jpeg |
| 17:03.14 | nevcairiel | so your software doesnt support this kind of printer, whats so funny now? |
| 17:03.40 | Neffi | nevcairiel Buzzkillington |
| 17:03.47 | VIad | :P |
| 17:03.48 | Neffi | has a certain ring to it |
| 17:04.50 | foxlit | quick, neffi, this warrants a cat gif. |
| 17:06.12 | Neffi | What do I look like? http://i.imgur.com/0ET5afi.jpg |
| 17:06.19 | Neffi | I'm good for more than just cat GIFs, you know |
| 17:06.24 | airtonix_ | <picture of a cat vomiting> |
| 17:06.27 | nevcairiel | thats not a gif |
| 17:06.38 | airtonix_ | http://i.imgur.com/0ET5afi.gif |
| 17:06.39 | Stanzilla | YOU HAD ONE JOB |
| 17:06.43 | Neffi | nobody appreciates me |
| 17:07.04 | foxlit | nah, it's just a saturated market. |
| 17:07.08 | Neffi | also my cache of cat GIFs to woefully small |
| 17:07.21 | airtonix_ | lucky you have access to the internet |
| 17:07.30 | nevcairiel | or does he |
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| 17:07.37 | Neffi | we may never know |
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| 17:12.05 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/Fhu1S9p.jpg |
| 17:14.10 | Neffi | oh god http://i.imgur.com/EORdTfi.gif |
| 17:15.01 | Stanzilla | wow |
| 17:15.05 | Stanzilla | Neffi found the internet |
| 17:15.13 | Neffi | lol |
| 17:18.13 | zenzelezz | so Youtube is showing me an ad for match.com... in French |
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| 17:23.02 | foxlit | So I still want your taint logs, but extracting them out of people has proved tricker than I hoped for. |
| 17:23.09 | foxlit | This probably requires bait. |
| 17:23.50 | foxlit | any suggestions? |
| 17:24.00 | Neffi | if I resub, I will fill your drive with taint, foxlit |
| 17:24.54 | Fisker | I will log you Neffi |
| 17:25.10 | Neffi | plz don't |
| 17:25.20 | foxlit | But he'll ban your access to Tor first. |
| 17:25.40 | Fisker | I love Tor |
| 17:25.42 | foxlit | I suspect that's part of the problem -- most of the people I'm advertising this to don't actually play wow. |
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| 17:26.01 | Neffi | yeah. why the hell would you advertise in #wowuidev? |
| 17:26.06 | Neffi | should advertise in #yolo |
| 17:26.09 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:26.11 | Fisker | I wish I played |
| 17:26.13 | Fisker | I pay though |
| 17:26.18 | Fisker | Can I do anything with that? |
| 17:26.45 | Neffi | nothing, sorry |
| 17:31.56 | zenzelezz | I'm curious, do you just want any random taint logs, or for some specific issue? |
| 17:34.39 | foxlit | Nothing specific, as long as it actually generates an error. |
| 17:34.45 | Fisker | hugtackles foxlit |
| 17:35.34 | foxlit | It's interesting to look at both what's failing to work correctly, and who's getting blamed for it. |
| 17:38.10 | Iriel | I suspect there's value in building some tooling around the new super verbose taint logs, but i've not got the time to devote to it at present 8-(. I suspect that there would be a way to emit far fewer events and make the actual problems more obvious.. I could be completely wrong. |
| 17:39.43 | foxlit | my impression is that the new stuff still is woefully inadequate to actually debug from. |
| 17:40.12 | foxlit | it's also, as far as I know, not enabled on release clients. |
| 17:40.22 | Iriel | foxlit: Because the data isn't there? or because the data isn't esaily obvious. |
| 17:40.27 | Iriel | AFAIK it is PTR only, yeah |
| 17:40.30 | foxlit | the data isn't there. |
| 17:47.45 | foxlit | which is basically why i'm only after level 1 logs. I have a hard time imagining how they could mess up the stack traces at the time of blocked actions. |
| 17:49.16 | Neffi | Is enough data there at any level, that an addon for profiling/debuging taint problems would be a good idea? |
| 17:49.35 | Iriel | You can't do it in-addon at present |
| 17:49.35 | Neffi | Oh wait, addons can't read the taint log :| |
| 17:49.55 | foxlit | no. |
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| 17:50.07 | Iriel | But my hope would be, if we could figure out a decent stream processing technique, to convince the powers that be to add the filter on their end |
| 17:50.23 | Iriel | One of those "if I had a couple of weeks of free time" things |
| 17:50.30 | foxlit | could you instead maybe convince the powers that be to stop casting keys for issecurevariable() to strings? |
| 17:50.35 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/K3AM3RU.jpg <-lol |
| 17:50.42 | Neffi | If a lot of the legwork on processing it was already done, I don't think it'd be that much to convince them to expose the log in-API |
| 17:51.06 | Neffi | Fisker: lol |
| 17:51.24 | Iriel | foxlit: I can report it - it's probably just the way slouken wrote it |
| 17:51.38 | Neffi | Slouken was still around post-taint? |
| 17:51.47 | Neffi | I thought the system was after his time |
| 17:52.04 | foxlit | should be a much easier change, and then you could at least do /dump issecurevariable(FLASHFRAMES, 1) and ponder why the talent ui is still broken. |
| 17:52.09 | Fisker | slouken was the taint |
| 17:52.22 | Iriel | slouken created the taint system |
| 17:52.31 | Fisker | why am I eating rice grains? |
| 17:52.38 | Neffi | why am I not? |
| 17:52.57 | Neffi | These philisophical debates are questions for wise men with skinny arms |
| 17:55.02 | Neffi | wow they really fucked up Newegg |
| 17:55.07 | Neffi | you can't even filter hard drives by capacity |
| 17:55.31 | Aeger73 | I quit using Newegg they pissed me off |
| 17:56.10 | Aeger73 | I spent almost 6K building my monster PC from them |
| 17:56.18 | Neffi | IMO it's still the best computer shop |
| 17:56.23 | Aeger73 | the MB was DOA |
| 17:56.41 | Neffi | I hope there's more to that story |
| 17:56.50 | Aeger73 | ya they screwed me wouldnt replace it |
| 17:57.01 | Aeger73 | there MB replacment policy ucks ass |
| 17:57.10 | Thunder_Child | I stopped using newegg as well. |
| 17:57.23 | Ressy | The MB I bought from newegg was doa.. Was cheaper & faster for me to rma it directly with nvidia |
| 17:57.41 | Neffi | you bought an nvidia motherboard? |
| 17:57.44 | Ressy | years ago |
| 17:57.47 | Neffi | what is this, 2004? |
| 17:57.50 | Aeger73 | I was mostly pissed because I spend a lot of money there and there service rep was an ass |
| 17:57.52 | Ressy | 2008 |
| 17:58.02 | Aeger73 | last year |
| 17:58.09 | Neffi | that sucks |
| 17:58.27 | Aeger73 | you spend 6 thousand dollars I expect a little service |
| 17:58.52 | Neffi | I wonder why the hell you dropped $6k on a computer |
| 17:58.57 | Neffi | that's pretty excessive |
| 17:59.09 | Neffi | I hope you got like a $1000+ monitor with that |
| 17:59.11 | Aeger73 | I wanted to make a stupid overpowered PC |
| 17:59.22 | zenzelezz | http://photoshopwilwheaton.tumblr.com/ - the net needed this |
| 17:59.23 | Aeger73 | 2k was just in video cards |
| 17:59.24 | Thunder_Child | No, you should get service no matter what. That being said, they have commercial clients so 6K is chump change. |
| 17:59.54 | Neffi | Honestly if I could afford a computer like that right now, I'd probably drop $2k at most on the computer+peripherals, and just spend the rest on professional monitors and a pair of Sennheiser HD 650s |
| 18:00.24 | Neffi | $6k is chump change for a pro workstation, but it's pretty insane for a desktop computer |
| 18:00.26 | Aeger73 | ya none of that was on monitors hehe |
| 18:00.27 | Fisker | the net has it zenzelezz |
| 18:01.06 | Fisker | http://photoshopwilwheaton.tumblr.com/image/67123285802 <-so meta zenzelezz |
| 18:01.07 | Neffi | I really want to do an ITX build. I'd be really happy with a 760+4770k |
| 18:01.19 | Aeger73 | Im building one for my daughter right now |
| 18:01.29 | Aeger73 | i just went with the I5 4570 |
| 18:01.40 | Neffi | I'd probably draw the line there, 'cause I could fit it in an FT03-mini which is a fucking beautiful case, and it's still got the horsepower to run everything I need at ultra |
| 18:03.28 | Aeger73 | oh and other thing I was pissed about was they filtered my bad review of the MB |
| 18:03.47 | Aeger73 | because I mentioned new eggs policiy on MB replacment |
| 18:04.10 | Neffi | You couldn't RMA through manufacturer? |
| 18:04.41 | Aeger73 | I did eventually after they made me spin my wheels for 2 weeks when I sent it back |
| 18:04.52 | Ressy | Was faster for me to bypass Newegg's RMA. I sent it to Nvidia Monday, got it back Friday |
| 18:05.18 | Aeger73 | I had all those nice parts sitting on my work bench waiting on Newegg for them to tell me no after 2 weeks |
| 18:05.19 | Neffi | I imagine there are practical limitations to what Newegg can RMA |
| 18:05.31 | Aeger73 | I was pissed |
| 18:05.51 | Neffi | IF it's a matter of them taking a DOA part and losing out on cash because the manufacturer won't replace it for THEM, then asking you to RMA through the manufacturer seems like the best choice |
| 18:06.46 | Iriel | I would imagine some of the problem is the manufacturer's policies, they probably wont arbitrarily credit newegg for "failed units" without them inspecting them first |
| 18:06.54 | Aeger73 | Evertime Ive had something DOA from Amazon they next day air me a replacment |
| 18:07.17 | Iriel | I've had some questionable customer service moments with newegg, but they've largely redeemed themselves. |
| 18:07.39 | Aeger73 | So I pretty much use Amazon all the time now |
| 18:07.53 | Iriel | That's certainly what Amazon want you to be doing 8-) |
| 18:08.17 | Aeger73 | The free 2 day shipping helps to |
| 18:08.34 | Neffi | Amazon can be hit and miss because most items are sold by independent retailers, not Amazon itself |
| 18:08.36 | Aeger73 | all those shipping costs can add up over a year im sure I used more than Amazon priome cost |
| 18:09.12 | Aeger73 | true but I stick to prime stuff and it works out for me |
| 18:09.17 | Neffi | Also Newegg has started to offer items through independent retailers to expand their selection, and you can't fault Newegg for those retailers being shit, anymore than you can fault Amazon |
| 18:09.39 | Thunder_Child | I use amazon for a huge amount, but the tax on costly items is annoying so I order from other places. |
| 18:09.51 | foxlit | tax evader you. |
| 18:09.51 | Neffi | Newegg still sells most stuff, but things like home audio and cables have gotten much wider selections with the extra retailers |
| 18:10.05 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: Hey, I report it... |
| 18:10.08 | Thunder_Child | To myself. |
| 18:10.30 | Aeger73 | I'll hit up Newegg reviews sometimes but Im still pissed at how I was treated and dont buy from them |
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| 18:12.04 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/lOPN1Lq.gif |
| 18:12.22 | Aeger73 | oh the other cool thing for me at least is I live so close to a Amazon ditribution center most of my 2 day shippinjg arives next day |
| 18:16.17 | Aeger73 | great just got an er-mail from vbulletin. there accounts got accessed |
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| 18:49.08 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/UjiSn8sc << it's cute that it logs the snippet, though. |
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| 18:53.06 | Fisker | what's about your taint stuff foxlit |
| 18:53.17 | Stanzilla | oh that reminds me |
| 18:53.19 | foxlit | missing a verb, fisker. |
| 18:53.23 | Stanzilla | I got some bartender taint for you, foxlit |
| 18:53.26 | foxlit | or maybe a noun. |
| 18:54.02 | Fisker | maybe foxlit |
| 18:54.05 | foxlit | or maybe some other part of speech. In any case, parse error, man, parse error. |
| 18:54.15 | Fisker | I got confused mid-sentence and just hit my keyboard in an attempt to finish |
| 18:54.18 | foxlit | Stanzilla: upload it? :) |
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| 18:54.23 | Stanzilla | done |
| 18:54.41 | Fisker | I mean why are you focusing on all this taint stuff? |
| 18:55.21 | Stanzilla | my question would be, why taintLog 1 and not 21 |
| 18:55.22 | Stanzilla | -1 |
| 18:55.24 | kd3 | beating blizz devs over the head with the logs sounds useful. maybe it'll get fixed? |
| 18:55.24 | Fisker | is it new taintlog functionality or something? |
| 18:55.33 | nevcairiel | Stanzilla: didnt he explain that on his page |
| 18:55.48 | Stanzilla | yeah just saw it |
| 18:56.30 | foxlit | I gave up on beating people over the head with anything. I'm mainly trying to map out which parts of framexml I should avoid like the plague. |
| 18:56.54 | Thunder_Child | It sounds like all of it |
| 18:57.05 | Stanzilla | I guess MultiBar taint is the most common |
| 18:57.23 | Fisker | I can fix taint |
| 18:57.32 | foxlit | there's nothing substantially new in terms of what tools are available, Fisker; it's just that there doesn't seem to be anyone willing to do anything about it. |
| 18:58.40 | foxlit | Stanzilla: but does that do anything except cause chat messages? :) |
| 18:58.42 | Stanzilla | it is also the easiest to replicate |
| 18:58.43 | Fisker | ah |
| 18:58.59 | Stanzilla | just get a class with stances or bar switching and switch like mad while casting shit |
| 18:59.04 | Stanzilla | ding ding bartender taint |
| 18:59.15 | nevcairiel | the multibar taint that happens to some people with bartender doesnt cause any issues |
| 18:59.45 | Fisker | I miss slouken |
| 19:00.15 | Fisker | only reason I visited the us ui forums |
| 19:01.20 | nevcairiel | and i play a druid, and still the multibar thing doesnt happen for me Stanzilla :P |
| 19:01.38 | Stanzilla | try harder! |
| 19:03.10 | karl_w_w | http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/experienced-reliable-driver-devastated-after-causing-m5-tunnel-disaster-that-triggered-traffic-chaos/story-fni0cx12-1226759529972 brilliant |
| 19:04.15 | Iriel | foxlit: Do you have a bunch of taintlogs somewhere browsable? |
| 19:04.32 | foxlit | no, mainly because I don't have a bunch of taintlogs. |
| 19:04.58 | Fisker | lolo |
| 19:05.16 | Iriel | Ah, I was hoping you had a bunch but wanted more |
| 19:05.18 | Stanzilla | how many do you have? 4? :D |
| 19:06.26 | foxlit | Stanzilla: you're off by the same number regardless of whether you think of it in terms of factors or absolute differences. |
| 19:07.32 | foxlit | [I suppose that puzzle isn't as puzzling giving the low numbers we're dealing with.] |
| 19:09.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: so you don't use bartender's extra action bar? |
| 19:09.11 | nevcairiel | i do |
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| 19:24.41 | Stanzilla | someone needs to ask why now |
| 19:26.33 | foxlit | why now who? |
| 19:28.05 | Stanzilla | :E |
| 19:28.22 | foxlit | why now what? |
| 19:28.27 | foxlit | why now why?? :P |
| 19:29.38 | Iriel | Anyone here use screen a lot (in particular scripts to launch and send commands to running screens)? |
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| 19:33.09 | Silvanas | helllo, how are you guys & girls tonite |
| 19:33.41 | kd3 | screen -X, iriel |
| 19:34.01 | Iriel | kd3: I know the command, i've got a particular screen that locks up, it's done it twice now |
| 19:34.22 | Iriel | Wondering if anyone has theories on what might cause a screen instance to just go into a CPU-eating spin |
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| 19:35.06 | Iriel | The first time I was willing to believe it was some kind of freak event, the second time, not so much |
| 19:36.48 | Iriel | I've got several screens though all mostly run by the same sorts of scripts, and it's just ONE program's screen that dies. |
| 19:40.05 | Silvanas | there is a flaw in DBM :/ it hooks the ItemRefTooltip.SetHyperlink the old and tainted way :/ now i cant add my own chat hyperlinks becase dbm throws and error on unsupported link type |
| 19:41.02 | Stanzilla | tell MysticalOS |
| 19:41.20 | foxlit | shouldn't you be hooking things upstream of ItemRefTooltip_SetHyperlink? |
| 19:42.16 | foxlit | s/ItemRefTooltip_SetHyperlink/SetItemRef/ |
| 19:42.20 | Silvanas | well i tryed hooking everything upstream, but it seems my securly hooked function never gets called becase the original execution apth runs into a hard error |
| 19:43.26 | Silvanas | currently i am hooking as upstream as possiable :D "chatFrame:HookScript("OnHyperlinkClick", test)" |
| 19:45.32 | foxlit | okay, that's even more depressingly amazing than I thought. |
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| 19:46.30 | foxlit | Does your hook actually work in the absence of DBM? |
| 19:46.46 | nevcairiel | isnt hooking SetItemRef the right thing? |
| 19:47.00 | foxlit | hooking SetItemRef is not the right thing. For the right thing, see the wowpedia page on SetItemRef. |
| 19:48.00 | nevcairiel | my mini-chat addon has been doing this for years, and never had any real issues |
| 19:48.12 | nevcairiel | i think |
| 19:48.41 | nevcairiel | actually i lied, i hook ItemRefTooltip.SetHyperlink |
| 19:49.33 | Silvanas | old style tained hooks on SetItemRef work fuine, but give tainting errors in other parts :D |
| 19:50.30 | foxlit | Silvanas: what you're proposing, though, should not ever work, other addons or not. |
| 19:51.02 | foxlit | the original setitemref path throws an error if you feed it links it does not recognize; your hooked handler never runs. |
| 19:51.17 | Silvanas | oke disabled DBM, it wasnt DBM's fault i see the issue now |
| 19:52.33 | Silvanas | creating your own links like |Hmyaddonlink:xxx|h work when you use normal hooks, but whne you use secure hooks the ItemRefTooltip:SetHyperlink(link); throw an error and your hooked code is never called |
| 19:52.59 | Silvanas | so its not possiable to use a secure hook to add custom hyperlinks it seems |
| 19:53.07 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 19:53.07 | foxlit | read the bloody wiki page. |
| 19:53.44 | nevcairiel | for the record, wowpedias google index is for shit |
| 19:54.04 | foxlit | it does not matter in this case, this is far enough back in time that you can also find the wowwiki page. |
| 19:54.12 | nevcairiel | wowwiki was again hit 1, wowpedia was like 10, and it brought me to the edit page of that page |
| 19:54.29 | Silvanas | oke, ill closely read the wiki :D, i did see the page but i stopped reading when i saw the code examples used old style hooks, i thoguh the page was like outdated |
| 19:54.44 | nevcairiel | whoever runs wowpedia these days needs to fix that |
| 19:54.48 | nevcairiel | its really annoying |
| 19:56.08 | foxlit | I'm surprised it showed up in the search index at all. |
| 19:56.41 | foxlit | There are really two issues: identical content does not rank well against older copies, so you'll probably not see old wowpedia pages in google's index. Life sucks for us. |
| 19:57.23 | Silvanas | well as a user wowwiki or wowpedia, its hard to see the difference :D |
| 19:57.27 | nevcairiel | i find identical content from other sites all the time o.o |
| 19:58.36 | foxlit | Getting a link to an "edit this article" page is just ridiculous, though. Unfortunately, everything technical is now run by the Curse gamepedia/wiki team. |
| 19:59.02 | nevcairiel | there is too many websites that index mailing lists of open-source projects, so everytime i search something that hits one of those, i get two pages of mailing lists archives from different websites |
| 19:59.10 | nevcairiel | google doesnt filter those out |
| 19:59.22 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 19:59.47 | foxlit | https://www.google.com/search?q=setitemref+site:wowpedia.org |
| 19:59.56 | foxlit | it's clearly indexed. Why the ranking is shit is anyone's guess. |
| 20:00.19 | Ressy | cuz google treats wowpedia as a copy.. that isn't as good. |
| 20:00.29 | Silvanas | intresting seems like wowpedia is telling me to insecurly hook ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow >.<, i dont see why that will noy taint the execution path, it doesnt seem tobe explisitly called without tainting |
| 20:00.34 | Ressy | wowwiki has existed for a lot longer |
| 20:00.36 | nevcairiel | when you just google for "setitemref wowpedia", you only get the edit page hit, ha |
| 20:01.31 | nevcairiel | maybe i should just give up and use wowwiki again |
| 20:01.46 | Ressy | ist not updated |
| 20:01.59 | nevcairiel | wowpedia is not in google |
| 20:02.03 | nevcairiel | so it doesnt help me for shit either |
| 20:02.11 | Ressy | it is..Wowpedia pops up at #1 if you block wowwiki results. |
| 20:02.18 | Ressy | or grab the wowpedia search bar. |
| 20:02.30 | nevcairiel | bars are evil, and you know it |
| 20:02.36 | foxlit | probably opensearch |
| 20:02.43 | nevcairiel | also, https://www.google.com/search?q=setitemref |
| 20:02.47 | Ressy | I have it integrated into the search section of firefox |
| 20:02.51 | foxlit | however, our search is also a cruel joke. |
| 20:02.52 | nevcairiel | not one wowpedia hit when wowwiki is blacklisted |
| 20:03.02 | nevcairiel | not one! |
| 20:03.06 | nevcairiel | on the first page |
| 20:03.08 | nevcairiel | that is :p |
| 20:03.15 | Ressy | http://wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=setitemref |
| 20:03.27 | Ressy | thats possibly why? |
| 20:04.00 | Ressy | click Everything & it pops up |
| 20:04.33 | nevcairiel | wowwiki is still #1 hit if its not blacklisted |
| 20:04.45 | nevcairiel | and i just type shit on chromes omnibar, if it doesnt find anything, i get annoyed |
| 20:05.23 | nevcairiel | it does find wowwiki, it does not find wowpedia, so clearly wowpedia needs to fix itself |
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| 20:06.28 | foxlit | I think we've established that it's in the index, but not ranked high enough? |
| 20:07.39 | foxlit | I'm not sure what more could be done to "fix" that. |
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| 20:07.59 | nevcairiel | i dont really care to analyze it really, i'm just ranting that if they want it to be used, it needs to be found by google, or heck, that page even has issues with wowpedias own search apparently |
| 20:08.17 | Ressy | its because it searches for an exact page name. |
| 20:08.23 | Ressy | With the page name being different |
| 20:08.31 | Ressy | click everything and it finds it properly |
| 20:08.54 | nevcairiel | wowwikis default search finds it :p |
| 20:09.07 | nevcairiel | exact searches as a default are just wrong :) |
| 20:09.43 | Ressy | That's something kd3 or Curse should be poked about. |
| 20:10.44 | Amarande | nevcairiel: amen |
| 20:10.52 | Amarande | my job has taught me that quite well |
| 20:11.08 | Amarande | yay antique level search robustness when looking up stuff in the trx history :p |
| 20:11.24 | foxlit | its not an exact search |
| 20:11.50 | Amarande | actually, heh, pretty much all the computers at work can be called antique at this point |
| 20:11.54 | Amarande | but that's a different matter :) |
| 20:11.54 | nevcairiel | whatever the search does, it should find the page without switching settings |
| 20:12.27 | Amarande | looks at the 1TB Samsung drive |
| 20:12.35 | Amarande | wishes I had stopped at Lowe's Hardware when I bought the SSD to replace it :( |
| 20:13.28 | nevcairiel | ideally google should find it, but what can you do |
| 20:13.38 | nevcairiel | wonder if those are related |
| 20:13.45 | nevcairiel | bad index because of some problems in the wiki config |
| 20:14.17 | foxlit | again, there is no indexing issue on google's side -- just a ranking one. |
| 20:14.29 | nevcairiel | s/index/rank/ |
| 20:16.07 | foxlit | which makes it a lot less plausible in mind mind -- ranking should be a function of presented text, which seems fine. |
| 20:16.39 | nevcairiel | googles ranking is more complex then th at, a whole industry evolved around that |
| 20:17.19 | Iriel | A fair amount of which is snake oil |
| 20:17.33 | nevcairiel | sure, but there is also some truth in there |
| 20:18.03 | Amarande | well, yeah. it's that industry that's why folks like you and I never win. :) |
| 20:18.21 | Amarande | standard page rank: 1) major commercial sites, 2) advertisement firms, 3) porn, 4) pocket lint, 5) your page |
| 20:18.50 | Amarande | If you're lucky, you might manage to edge out Pocket Lint. :| |
| 20:19.09 | Neffi | throws his pocket lint at Amarande. |
| 20:19.15 | Amarande | heh |
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| 20:19.40 | kd3 | wait, wha? just got back from a "hey, our horses are out. come help" call |
| 20:19.42 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 20:20.17 | nevcairiel | kd3: fix http://wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=setitemref |
| 20:20.32 | nevcairiel | also, fix https://www.google.com/search?q=setitemref |
| 20:20.33 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:26.36 | Amarande | and yeah, that was definitely the hard drive on its way to doorstopdom the other night. |
| 20:27.00 | Amarande | I did run a memtest86+ also to be sure, but 8 hours later and no errors so no it's not the memory at 1866 |
| 20:27.39 | Amarande | (no I wouldn't have minded getting the SSD anyway even if the memory had been bad also/instead, since I had planned to get one eventually anyhow) |
| 20:28.16 | Amarande | oddly, SMART still steadfastly refuses to acknowledge any problems with it beyond a write errors value of 3 (which doesn't seem to change the SMART value at all), and badblocks -w claims it's "okay" too |
| 20:29.42 | Iriel | Could it be the controller or cable and not the drive itself? |
| 20:32.07 | Amarande | hm, I would think that badblocks -w would have at least one error on a TB drive if there was a problem at that level :S |
| 20:43.42 | mikma | damn this lego marvel super heroes is funny |
| 20:56.57 | Silvanas | dahm this wow tainting stuff is prety epic. those developers for skills to implement such a thing :D |
| 20:58.01 | Fisker | bye cruel Saturday |
| 21:00.26 | Silvanas | still 2 hours left fisk |
| 21:01.48 | Neffi | dammit, I need an MMO to play |
| 21:02.02 | nevcairiel | play wow |
| 21:02.31 | Neffi | I don't think I wanna pay $15 to realize in a week or two that I stopped playing for a reason |
| 21:02.50 | Neffi | Happend last time, and the time before. WoW isn't fun anymore. |
| 21:03.23 | nevcairiel | what i realized, the other mmos arent that different :p |
| 21:03.58 | nevcairiel | or if they are, usually terrible |
| 21:04.07 | Neffi | There's gotta be one good MMO I'd enjoy |
| 21:04.24 | Neffi | I love MMO games. I love the community. I love the competition. I just don't love WoW anymore. |
| 21:05.03 | zenzelezz | so are you talking about an MMORPG, or any kind of MMO? |
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| 21:05.26 | Neffi | MMORPG |
| 21:22.00 | mikma | play lego marvel super heroes |
| 21:22.02 | mikma | it's superfun |
| 21:22.13 | mikma | single player / local co-op |
| 21:23.55 | Neffi | that sounds like a blast >_> |
| 21:24.23 | mikma | i have 11 hours played this day... |
| 21:25.06 | mikma | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195583766 |
| 21:25.42 | mikma | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=195408768 |
| 21:25.51 | mikma | and here we have hulk slapping abomination silly |
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| 21:26.13 | Neffi | That's not exactly my cup of tea |
| 21:26.31 | mikma | that's because you are dullfuck |
| 21:27.47 | Neffi | If I wanna play with legos, Minecraft is where it's at |
| 21:29.13 | Neffi | anyone played Aion? thoughts? |
| 21:32.38 | nevcairiel | sucks |
| 21:32.52 | Neffi | that's just vague enough |
| 21:32.55 | nevcairiel | its an asian mmo, big focus on grinding |
| 21:33.06 | nevcairiel | played it for a while to test |
| 21:33.23 | Neffi | A review says that it's come a long way since its grindy beginnings and it's much different than that now |
| 21:33.30 | nevcairiel | imho you can judge an mmos quality based on how long it takes to go f2p |
| 21:33.42 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 21:33.42 | nevcairiel | and that didnt take long |
| 21:33.47 | zenzelezz | not entirely untrur |
| 21:33.49 | zenzelezz | untrue |
| 21:40.44 | Neffi | bah. Guess I'm gonna give TERA another try. |
| 21:44.33 | Aeger73 | tried Defiance or Neverwinter? |
| 21:45.01 | Neffi | There was a reason I didnt try Neverwinter. I cant remember what that is |
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| 21:45.36 | Neffi | I'm not averse to shooter games, but I'm not looking to play one right now, so Defiance is out |
| 21:45.42 | Mr_Rabies | sexymap's hud feature is pretty amazing when combined with routes and gathermate for mindlessly mining |
| 21:46.05 | nevcairiel | imho thats the only thing that its useful for though |
| 21:46.32 | Aeger73 | if you wait a month Shroud of the Avatar initial alphastuff is starting |
| 21:47.00 | Neffi | Newer games probably won't run so hot on my integrated GPU (HD 3000) |
| 21:47.13 | Mr_Rabies | that one feature's enough to justify its existence, nevcairiel :p |
| 21:47.18 | Neffi | Stil hoping I can do a fresh build before ESO comes out |
| 21:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | i love it |
| 21:47.27 | Aeger73 | love ESO |
| 21:47.30 | Mr_Rabies | that's like 90% of the reason i use sexymap rather than something else now |
| 21:47.34 | Neffi | It's looking incredible |
| 21:47.45 | Aeger73 | i did 5 of the betas |
| 21:47.55 | Neffi | Elder Scrolls Online? |
| 21:48.00 | Aeger73 | yes |
| 21:48.09 | Neffi | is jealous. |
| 21:48.19 | Neffi | I'm gonna play the shit out of that game when it comes out |
| 21:48.33 | Mr_Rabies | elder scrolls games never really did it for me |
| 21:48.42 | Aeger73 | its sweet, it feels like Skyrim with other people but better |
| 21:49.08 | Neffi | I get th eimpreesion that the world building is much better, on the level of WoW. Combat is much more smooth and engaging. |
| 21:49.11 | Neffi | It looks great |
| 21:49.28 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, the actual gameplay in Elder Scrolls games feels so detached |
| 21:49.37 | Neffi | a bit |
| 21:49.40 | Aeger73 | yep I love the first starter area too they really tied the story in well without smothering you in it |
| 21:49.47 | Neffi | Doesn't look that way at all in ESO |
| 21:49.51 | nevcairiel | its graphics has the fake-realism problem which just prevents me from really getting immersed |
| 21:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i definitely prefer stylization over trying for realism |
| 21:50.14 | Neffi | Story's always been TES's strong point |
| 21:50.35 | Aeger73 | highest ive been is lvl 12 |
| 21:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | gameplay should always be a game's strong point imo |
| 21:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise why even make it a game versus any other non-interactive medium |
| 21:50.51 | Neffi | I find the gameplay fun |
| 21:51.04 | Mr_Rabies | or semi-interactive medium like VN |
| 21:51.14 | Aeger73 | they are doing it right I can tell you that |
| 21:51.47 | Neffi | I really can't wait for that one |
| 21:52.00 | Neffi | It's such a tease seeing all the awesome stuff every week |
| 21:52.27 | Aeger73 | i did some awsome puzzles in the world too |
| 21:52.29 | Neffi | The PvP looks like it's gonna be great |
| 21:53.18 | Aeger73 | it was part of the chain I was on these lights shooting up to sky and one of the staues was broken so you couldnt see the whole answer in the stons |
| 21:53.27 | Aeger73 | *stones |
| 21:53.40 | Aeger73 | the tie the environment into the story and it changes |
| 21:53.54 | Aeger73 | even the towns change to whats going on |
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| 22:43.04 | jleclanche | anyone up for some minecraft? |
| 22:45.12 | Neffi | mayhaps, after I finish watching this |
| 22:47.56 | Iriel | jleclanche: I added an escape route from the bovine deathtrap |
| 22:48.50 | jleclanche | Iriel: too bad, i wanted to give it a cute nickname |
| 22:48.57 | jleclanche | The Pit of Cow Return |
| 22:49.22 | Iriel | Since you're the second person i've had to rescue from it in the last week, I figured something needed to be done |
| 22:49.24 | jleclanche | where the movie "Once you go Beef, you never go back" was filmed. |
| 22:49.50 | Iriel | Leather-ending Story? The Great eSteak? |
| 22:49.50 | Neffi | bovine deathtrap? |
| 22:49.51 | jleclanche | I'm out of cow-related puns. |
| 22:50.11 | Neffi | Whose server is this deathtrap on? |
| 22:50.21 | Iriel | Neffi: the pit of cows on the cograil server, in the spawn |
| 22:50.36 | Neffi | Ah. I got caught in there once. |
| 22:50.39 | jleclanche | i found a bunch of sweet spots on my seed |
| 22:50.40 | Iriel | If you fall in and the steps aren't raised, you couldn't get out if you weren't an op |
| 22:51.08 | Neffi | I found myself a beautiful seed, but I realized Minecraft's not fun single player |
| 22:51.10 | jleclanche | including an AMAZING valley at the bottom of three giant mountains surrounding it, with a NPC village in there |
| 22:51.22 | jleclanche | Neffi: thats why i opened the server up |
| 22:51.36 | jleclanche | it was just a singleplayer game for me to tunnel and then people started joining up |
| 22:51.40 | Neffi | I'm holding onto the seed though. It's really, really nice. |
| 22:51.54 | jleclanche | Cairenn: topic please ^ |
| 22:52.09 | Neffi | >_> |
| 22:52.12 | kd3|hate`net | *snrk* |
| 22:52.27 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:52.33 | jleclanche | pr18fo61 |
| 22:52.48 | kd3 | quick, log in to all the things |
| 22:52.51 | jleclanche | ah one more password gone |
| 22:53.34 | jleclanche | kd3: you'll find you'll be able to log into one thing only and you'll need an authenticator for it :P |
| 22:58.18 | jleclanche | i swear to god |
| 22:58.29 | jleclanche | pieces of shit that mess with onpaste |
| 22:59.22 | jleclanche | nice to know blizzard's password system is still retarded |
| 22:59.37 | jleclanche | 16 chars, case insensitive, no pasting |
| 23:01.22 | jleclanche | not that Curse and its 12 char limit is any better. or was it 10? |
| 23:01.51 | kd3 | my curse password's got... 20? |
| 23:02.10 | jleclanche | ah, curse is 16 chars as well |
| 23:02.45 | jleclanche | wtf keepass has an autotype sequence? |
| 23:02.56 | kd3 | ctrl+v |
| 23:02.59 | jleclanche | !p |
| 23:03.01 | jleclanche | no |
| 23:03.07 | jleclanche | keepass has an autotype sequence |
| 23:04.15 | jleclanche | Im trying to figure out how to trigger it |
| 23:04.41 | kd3 | focus the login form wherever, tab to keepass, highlight the right entry, hit ctrl+v |
| 23:04.52 | kd3 | s/wherever// |
| 23:05.33 | jleclanche | testusername |
| 23:05.34 | jleclanche | kc+sOhGl 9S2]o"a5Lo$zh%aQVpW`__h[!5K=5JLQPjot3F-v?|}KlusGlH [ApZ:>PGv{H.N%h |
| 23:05.37 | jleclanche | neat |
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| 23:06.42 | zenzelezz | now that's a password I wouldn't want to type manually |
| 23:07.32 | jleclanche | zenzelezz: i had to type one similar to this on a phone keyboard. |
| 23:08.05 | jleclanche | to log into facebook because i had to fix some stuff from there |
| 23:08.21 | jleclanche | it wouldve taken me less time to get a job at the NSA and get the fb master password |
| 23:08.56 | jleclanche | kd3: how does keypass determine the target window if you dont tell it which one it is? |
| 23:09.16 | kd3 | whatever turns up when it does the equivalent of alt+shift+tab |
| 23:10.03 | jleclanche | neat |
| 23:11.21 | jleclanche | kd3: reminds me, i had x11 trouble this afternoon; took me half an hour to fix. in that half hour, i took <2 minutes to install, run and test weston |
| 23:11.25 | jleclanche | it worked WONDERFULLY |
| 23:11.40 | jleclanche | i cannot wait for a decent display server |
| 23:11.48 | Neffi | Weston = Wayland? |
| 23:11.58 | jleclanche | weston is the reference wayland compositor |
| 23:12.05 | Neffi | so yes |
| 23:12.15 | jleclanche | no |
| 23:12.23 | jleclanche | its a wayland compositor :p |
| 23:12.32 | Neffi | So a reference implementation of Wayland |
| 23:12.47 | jleclanche | a reference implementation of a compositor on wayland |
| 23:13.06 | Neffi | On Wayland, isn't the compositor the display server? |
| 23:13.12 | jleclanche | essentially |
| 23:13.23 | Neffi | So you've got Weston, and .. libwayland is it called? |
| 23:13.40 | Neffi | libwayland being the library to talk to the compositor, eg Weston |
| 23:13.43 | jleclanche | kinda like that yeah |
| 23:13.46 | Neffi | So Weston IS the Wayland implementation |
| 23:14.04 | zenzelezz | sounds more like Weston is (part of) KDE/etc. |
| 23:14.08 | jleclanche | thats akin to saying gnome is an X11 implementation |
| 23:14.14 | zenzelezz | I'm trying to think of the name of an actual compositor, but it eludes me |
| 23:14.30 | jleclanche | hawaii is another wayland DE/compositor |
| 23:14.40 | Neffi | Okay fair enough, Wayland is the protocol. Weston is the majority of its implementation, the rest being a glue library to implement communication to it. |
| 23:14.43 | jleclanche | at least i think they have a compositor.. |
| 23:15.09 | Neffi | Anyway, are there still any major hurdles to overcome with Wayland/Weston before it's ready for general use? |
| 23:15.21 | Neffi | Because AFAIK every major toolkit can now target it instead of X11 natively |
| 23:15.30 | jleclanche | yes, app compatibility |
| 23:15.37 | jleclanche | major toolkits have been ported but not the apps |
| 23:15.43 | Neffi | Well we need things like window managers for it |
| 23:15.45 | jleclanche | theres a plethora of qt4.x-only apps |
| 23:15.58 | zenzelezz | wonder how long it'll take Enlightenment to get on Wayland |
| 23:16.02 | jleclanche | they are |
| 23:16.10 | jleclanche | they were one of the first |
| 23:16.12 | Neffi | But things that work entirely on the abstraction of their toolkit and don't touch raw X11 should work once the toolkit is fully ported, no problem |
| 23:16.14 | zenzelezz | don't ruin my joke |
| 23:16.25 | jleclanche | i didnt ruin your joke Enlightenment did |
| 23:16.29 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:16.35 | zenzelezz | :( |
| 23:16.38 | zenzelezz | true |
| 23:17.05 | Neffi | So we're waiting on code maturity, and the last bits of toolkit compatibility, and good DE/WMs to target it, before distros don't really need to ship X11, correct? |
| 23:17.33 | jleclanche | toolkit compatibility at this point is mature |
| 23:17.43 | jleclanche | wayland itself is very much mature |
| 23:17.45 | Neffi | You implied Qt4 doesn't support it |
| 23:18.02 | jleclanche | qt4 will not get further releases |
| 23:18.09 | jleclanche | qt5 has full wayland compatibility |
| 23:18.53 | Neffi | It also seems that Gnome and KDE support or will support it soon in their window manager |
| 23:19.09 | jleclanche | they support it, but KDE will have to release KF5 before we see it |
| 23:19.18 | jleclanche | which means mid-2014 |
| 23:19.20 | Neffi | So the only hurdle is the amount of apps still on legacy QT/GTK versions that don't/won't support it? |
| 23:19.25 | Neffi | Oh, and I guess drivers |
| 23:19.35 | jleclanche | drivers support it |
| 23:19.41 | Neffi | not NVidia |
| 23:19.46 | jleclanche | nvidia, iirc is the only one that doesnt, but |
| 23:19.51 | jleclanche | valve wants wayland |
| 23:19.55 | jleclanche | so nvidia will do it |
| 23:20.05 | Neffi | eventually, but that's gonna stall adoption a little bit |
| 23:20.19 | Neffi | A lot of people don't want to use open source drivers |
| 23:20.26 | Neffi | I don't want to use open source NV drivers |
| 23:20.45 | jleclanche | no i doubt it, we'll have driver support long before wayland support will be commonplace in apps |
| 23:20.57 | Neffi | So GTK2 and Qt4 apps are the only actual hurdle then if you run Intel or AMD chips |
| 23:21.18 | jleclanche | and wine |
| 23:21.21 | Neffi | Oh, and pure X11 apps and some exotic toolkits that I dont care about |
| 23:21.38 | jleclanche | yeah if wayland means the death of Tk ill be happy |
| 23:22.02 | Neffi | I stay away from software I don't like. Let it live or die. Doesn't hurt me. |
| 23:22.07 | jleclanche | fuck that shit, just because it's included in most python distribution channels means every python guy wants to use it |
| 23:22.08 | jleclanche | what the fuck |
| 23:22.19 | Neffi | I like Wayland in principle, so I'd like to see it sooner than later |
| 23:22.41 | jleclanche | i bet its those same guys rubbing their shaft real hard when using requests |
| 23:22.58 | jleclanche | Neffi: we'll see wayland before the end of 2014 id say |
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| 23:23.05 | Neffi | Glad to know |
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| 23:23.14 | Neffi | But I hope other window managers pick up adoption quickly |
| 23:23.25 | jleclanche | Compiz wont |
| 23:23.29 | Neffi | good |
| 23:23.31 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:23.33 | jleclanche | compiz is discontinued and wayland will mean its death |
| 23:23.35 | Neffi | I wonder if awesome will |
| 23:23.39 | zenzelezz | I'm glad it's Wayland, not Weylan |
| 23:23.48 | zenzelezz | *Weyland |
| 23:23.55 | Neffi | How about Whey Land? |
| 23:23.59 | Neffi | bulk up bro |
| 23:24.06 | zenzelezz | that'd be fine |
| 23:24.09 | jleclanche | awesome shouldnt have much trouble porting to wayland |
| 23:24.15 | jleclanche | they use cairo for anything gfx related |
| 23:24.20 | jleclanche | so they have it easy |
| 23:24.42 | Neffi | Cinnamon's the only DE that grabs my interest right now, so if that's supported, good shit |
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| 23:25.09 | zenzelezz | Enlightenment with Bluesteel theme <3 |
| 23:25.11 | jleclanche | cinnamon wants to port to qt |
| 23:25.14 | Neffi | I'm not clear on how much of Gnome Cinnamon uses, so I don't know what they need to port |
| 23:25.20 | Neffi | jleclanche: sauce? |
| 23:25.39 | Neffi | Lately I hear a lot of love for Qt and a lot of hate for GTK/Gnome |
| 23:25.44 | jleclanche | yes |
| 23:25.48 | Neffi | Never programmed on either, so I'm impartial |
| 23:25.54 | Neffi | for now... |
| 23:25.56 | jleclanche | that mostly stems from the fact that any blockers to Qt's adoption are gone |
| 23:26.10 | Neffi | I've heard many people say Qt's a joy to use |
| 23:26.19 | jleclanche | it is :) |
| 23:26.21 | Neffi | Never really heard that about GTK, but I know some prefer it |
| 23:26.40 | jleclanche | Qt has a wonderful api, has had two major releases worth of cleanups (4.x and 5.x), licensing is fully open source, the project is managed in the open under the qt-project umbrella and Digia is sponsoring it |
| 23:26.46 | jleclanche | any nokia ties have been cut |
| 23:26.48 | Neffi | Based on other's opinions, I'm inclined to try using Qt before GTK |
| 23:26.52 | jleclanche | NOBODY prefers GTK |
| 23:26.59 | jleclanche | only people who only ever used GTK say that |
| 23:27.09 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:27.18 | jleclanche | and thats because they don't know that in order to prefer something, you need to know what anything else is |
| 23:27.22 | Neffi | Who said Cinnamon is moving to Qt? |
| 23:27.26 | Neffi | How serious is this? |
| 23:27.34 | jleclanche | not very |
| 23:27.48 | Neffi | And what, woudl they port every application they ship over to Qt, or replace it with a Qt alternative? |
| 23:27.54 | jleclanche | when we were merging Razor and LXDE-Qt, we had the occasion to discuss with other DEs |
| 23:28.16 | jleclanche | and there is a huge movement towards Qt that we sort of started |
| 23:28.17 | Neffi | Also I'm not happy with the non-GTK browser selection |
| 23:28.18 | Neffi | It's shite |
| 23:28.27 | Neffi | But Chrome will forsake toolkits entirely soon |
| 23:28.44 | Neffi | version 32 I believe |
| 23:28.48 | jleclanche | Mozilla will "eventually" move to Qt |
| 23:28.57 | Neffi | wow |
| 23:28.57 | jleclanche | this is also far down the line |
| 23:29.08 | jleclanche | they have zero blockers for it, they use XUL everywhere |
| 23:29.08 | Neffi | That they even said that probably bodes badly for GTK |
| 23:29.17 | Neffi | FF is a pretty major open source project |
| 23:29.37 | jleclanche | mozilla had a qt port at some point |
| 23:29.39 | jleclanche | it was abandoned |
| 23:29.43 | jleclanche | but that was in the 3.x days |
| 23:30.07 | jleclanche | give them a reason to port to Qt and they'll do it, and the reason is coming |
| 23:30.12 | Neffi | You seem familiar with Qt. Does 5 bring to the table enough that people should feel compelled to port from Qt4? |
| 23:30.18 | jleclanche | absolutely |
| 23:30.24 | jleclanche | huge amount of modularity in Qt5 |
| 23:30.44 | jleclanche | the main complaint with qt is that it's "bloated"; qt5 has split its libraries much better |
| 23:31.21 | Neffi | well you've still got a lot of shit that uses Qt also pulling in KDE, so you can't give Qt all the blame for bloat |
| 23:31.27 | jleclanche | theres also a lot of general niceties both for phone dev and for desktop dev |
| 23:31.39 | jleclanche | qt 5.2 has NFC for example |
| 23:31.47 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 23:31.51 | jleclanche | and qt 5.1 (or 5.0?) has mimetypes |
| 23:31.58 | jleclanche | proper desktop mimetypes, xdg ones |
| 23:32.35 | jleclanche | Neffi: the KDE bloat is also disappearing |
| 23:32.36 | zenzelezz | my only "gripe" with Qt is that it has the preprocessing before compiling (for the signals/slots/whatever the event/callback system is called) |
| 23:32.47 | Neffi | Well I'm probably not gonna do a full DE, but I'm gonna mess around making a few desktop applications using Lua |
| 23:33.04 | jleclanche | with KF5, KDE is doing something similar to Qt, they're splitting their libs much better |
| 23:33.08 | Neffi | Lua+Qt most likely |
| 23:33.33 | jleclanche | the Qt devs are very close to the KDE devs and a large part is shared so for all of them its a good occasion to upstream the good stuff |
| 23:33.36 | Neffi | There are still areas on the Linux desktop where I'm not happy with any available application |
| 23:34.09 | jleclanche | such as? |
| 23:34.27 | jleclanche | (i believe you, i just want to know) |
| 23:34.29 | Neffi | Bah, I can't think off the top of my head |
| 23:34.37 | Neffi | But for one I'm going to write my own music player |
| 23:34.58 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing it's the frontend part you're unhappy with? |
| 23:35.04 | zenzelezz | the music libraries seem good enough |
| 23:35.08 | Neffi | Text editor, image viewer w/ a focus on high-quality, mayhaps a torrent client, maybe a file manager |
| 23:35.19 | Neffi | Oh yes, I'm talking about the GUI applications |
| 23:35.26 | jleclanche | please dont write a file manager |
| 23:35.28 | jleclanche | contribute to one |
| 23:36.08 | Neffi | There are actually a few very nice GUI file managers, so I probably wouldn't write one |
| 23:36.47 | Neffi | But things like music players, I don't particularly like ANY available GUI program, and I don't feel any of them follow in the direction I think a music player ought to go -- nothing worth contributing to at all |
| 23:37.10 | jleclanche | what about something simplistic like mplayer? |
| 23:37.24 | jleclanche | and using something separate to manage your music |
| 23:37.27 | Neffi | Simplistic is a very, very subjective term |
| 23:37.42 | Neffi | Somebody might consider mplayer simplistic just because it lacks a real GUI |
| 23:37.51 | Neffi | I like my easy to use GUI applications |
| 23:38.04 | Neffi | I like avoiding the CLI when it comes to basic day-to-day tasks |
| 23:38.27 | Neffi | I'm going to write a video player once mpv has its protocol straigtened out so I could use that as a backend |
| 23:38.38 | Neffi | mpv = mplayer(2) fork |
| 23:38.49 | jleclanche | yeah i use mpv |
| 23:39.02 | Neffi | What I consider simplistic is, MPC-HC |
| 23:39.14 | jleclanche | ive been meaning to write a FUSE for my music |
| 23:39.17 | Neffi | It's a wonderful program. Not complicated, but still powerful and thoroughly configurable through the GUI options. |
| 23:39.29 | jleclanche | so that i can mount a folder full of unsorted mp3's |
| 23:39.30 | Neffi | I want a video player like that, only with a prettier GUI, on Linux |
| 23:39.40 | Neffi | And a music player that rivals foobar |
| 23:39.56 | jleclanche | and it automatically gives me /Artists/<artist>/<name>.mp3, /Genres/<genre>/<name>.mp3 |
| 23:39.56 | jleclanche | etc |
| 23:40.30 | Neffi | I want to write these in Lua, so I'm at a bit of a strange point |
| 23:41.10 | Neffi | I've never used Qt. But there are no sufficient bindings available for doing Qt5 in Lua, so I would have to create them, coming from zero background with Qt. |
| 23:41.31 | jleclanche | there is one promising project for Qt on lua |
| 23:41.38 | Neffi | which is? |
| 23:41.43 | jleclanche | but it doesnt have qt5 support |
| 23:41.45 | jleclanche | lemme find the name |
| 23:41.54 | Neffi | I rpobably saw it |
| 23:41.55 | jleclanche | lqt i think |
| 23:42.06 | Neffi | Unless Qt5 is in the works, I'm not gonna bother |
| 23:42.18 | jleclanche | woah |
| 23:42.24 | jleclanche | QtLua has come so far |
| 23:42.27 | jleclanche | QtLua 2.0 has been tested with Lua versions 5.0, 5.1 and 5.2 and with Qt versions 4.8 and 5.0. |
| 23:42.35 | jleclanche | thats incredible |
| 23:42.42 | jleclanche | i didnt know any of them had qt5 support |
| 23:42.44 | airtonix_ | Neffi: write a music player, linux needs another music player |
| 23:42.46 | Neffi | QtLua is specifically for embedding Lua in a larger Qt application, no? |
| 23:42.50 | airtonix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.01 | jleclanche | oh. |
| 23:43.06 | Neffi | airtonix_: There may be a lot of them out there, but that doesn't mean they all don't suck |
| 23:43.16 | Neffi | If you don't want to use my music player, don't |
| 23:43.31 | airtonix_ | rhythmbox only sucks because it sometimes crashes |
| 23:43.35 | jleclanche | yeah its the one that makes qt apps scriptable |
| 23:44.06 | jleclanche | airtonix_: theres many reasons why rhythmbox sucks |
| 23:44.09 | jleclanche | one is it's in gtk3 |
| 23:44.15 | Neffi | Don't assume I can't design a much better GUI |
| 23:44.25 | Neffi | Because if I couldn't, I would just settle for the crap already out there |
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