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| 00:17.56 | Primer | Anyone here have a Battlefield 3 origin CD key hanging around? |
| 00:19.11 | Primer | like, from the Origin humble bundle? |
| 00:19.20 | kd3 | anyone have any notable bugs in the ui that still need to get fixed for 5.4.2? |
| 00:19.30 | Ressy | yes. |
| 00:19.38 | Ressy | Open the Store, and theres a UI error |
| 00:20.28 | fewyn | Anyone interested in buying a goodie bag from BlizzCon? It includes the virtual item code and a set of figurines. |
| 00:21.12 | Ressy | kd3: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10572387176 |
| 00:21.40 | znf | so, yeah, I slept shitloads of time :D |
| 00:21.50 | znf | fewyn, $5 |
| 00:22.01 | fewyn | sorry it's got to go a bit more than that =p |
| 00:22.29 | Ressy | $5.50 |
| 00:22.31 | Ressy | Canadian. ;) |
| 00:22.35 | znf | fine, I'll double it |
| 00:22.36 | znf | $10 |
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| 00:27.28 | Amarande | ... three hours later ... "Okay, in order to send a money transfer of this amount, we need to fill out a Currency Transaction Report form. What is the purpose of this money transfer?" "I ... I bought some blizzcon swag from fewyn ..." |
| 00:32.21 | Neffi | Amarande: Swag? Denied on the basis that you're knowingly accepting stolen property. We've contacted your local authorities. |
| 00:32.38 | Amarande | Neffi: LOL |
| 00:32.45 | Amarande | you've obviously never been to a con :) |
| 00:32.51 | Neffi | nope |
| 00:33.01 | Amarande | the stuff you get at a con is frequently referred to by con goers as "con swag" or similar |
| 00:33.12 | Amarande | I've never been to BlizzCon, but I *have* been to DragonCon six times |
| 00:33.33 | Neffi | The shit teenagers at the local high school own is commonly referred to as `swag` |
| 00:33.39 | Neffi | I don't see the appeal |
| 00:33.48 | Amarande | eh that's a recent development |
| 00:33.54 | Amarande | blame popular culture for hijacking the term |
| 00:34.03 | Neffi | meh |
| 00:34.10 | Neffi | you must not be familiar with popular culture |
| 00:34.13 | Neffi | ..hacker |
| 00:34.18 | Amarande | kinda like YOLO ... the whole "you only live once" saying goes at least as far back as Mae West, and she was really quite the classy lady :) |
| 00:34.36 | Neffi | got my champagne on #yolo |
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| 00:39.44 | TC-Work | Aww, we are taking down a machine with 714 days of uptime. |
| 00:40.05 | Neffi | why? |
| 00:40.23 | kd3 | something started buzzing too loudly to ignore? |
| 00:40.26 | Amarande | kernel upgrade, I'm guessing? |
| 00:40.48 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.57 | znf | I don't feel like upgrading it :( |
| 00:41.02 | Neffi | TC-Work: casual http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/epic-uptime-achievement-can-you-beat-16-years/ |
| 00:43.29 | TC-Work | Yes, I remember that |
| 00:43.45 | Amarande | Neffi: of course, somehow, not only has YOLO been hijacked by modern culture but they seem to have completely discarded its right meaning :| |
| 00:43.58 | Amarande | the Mae West quote goes 'You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough' |
| 00:44.11 | Neffi | Makes me wonder if perhaps somewhere, there's a machine still humming away in an air-conditioned basement that everyone forgot about, going on 20+ years of uptime untouched |
| 00:44.26 | Amarande | Neffi: probably that bash.org guy's, eventually LOL |
| 00:44.32 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:44.42 | Amarande | http://bash.org/?5273 |
| 00:45.07 | Neffi | i remember that one |
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| 01:04.33 | Arrowmaster | i need a new pc so i can play this http://youtu.be/3JyxryysGP8 |
| 01:13.26 | Torhal | Finally, the Eighth Doctor in something other than the movie... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo |
| 01:13.41 | Torhal | Prequel to the 50th Anniversary special, only on the web. |
| 01:17.20 | Amarande | oh, yay, no queue tonight :) |
| 01:17.43 | Amarande | actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there's no queues for a while now. and probably less players on wow. |
| 01:18.00 | Amarande | Eighth Doctor ... I'm a bit fuzzy on anything before the ... Ninth I think. |
| 01:19.01 | Amarande | tomorrow the playstation 4 comes out |
| 01:19.21 | Amarande | and yes, these loading times are something out of hell. yeah, I think this hard drive is getting ready to go to the data centre in the sky :| |
| 01:20.18 | Neffi | .i would disconnect it for now |
| 01:21.02 | Amarande | ... error 132 |
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| 01:21.11 | Amarande | I have not had an error 132 in *years* |
| 01:21.13 | Amarande | yup, this isn't a good thing :( |
| 01:24.48 | Amarande | Neffi: to do that, I need to shut down and swap my old Linux drive in for the moment |
| 01:24.54 | Amarande | seeing that there's only one HD in this machine :| |
| 01:40.32 | Semlar | time to put that thing on ice |
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| 01:59.08 | Amarande | hmm, shall I stop by the nearby hardware store too and pick up a sledgehammer? :) |
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| 02:35.35 | Amarande | awwwww. you don't get the picture with the sad wow race guys when you cancel anymore :( |
| 02:41.07 | Amarande | WTF |
| 02:41.16 | Amarande | WoW just asked me to put a disk in drive D and then 132'd again |
| 02:41.53 | Ressy | sux2bu? |
| 02:41.55 | Amarande | D is like ... one of my card reader slots I think |
| 02:42.11 | Ressy | Default error is default |
| 02:42.22 | Amarande | heh, I'm just trying to get my characters that have mail to a mailbox so I can have it not rot |
| 02:43.10 | Amarande | okay, that hard drive buzz sounded a little more ominous |
| 02:43.25 | Amarande | not the same clicking from the dead WD drive sound clip, but more rhythmic than the previous sounds ... :| |
| 02:43.35 | Ressy | not a good sound |
| 02:43.42 | Amarande | yeah, I think I'm headed to best buy tomorrow |
| 02:44.37 | Amarande | aaaand I guess I can't roll to the mailbox either |
| 02:44.42 | Amarande | every time I try to use roll it 132's immediately |
| 02:45.13 | Amarande | I betcha this is why I had so much trouble when the SW:TOR installer glitch happened too. my hard disk must have already been biting the dust |
| 02:45.17 | Ressy | You could repair your installation, but if your drive's dying, its not gonna matter much. |
| 02:47.03 | Amarande | At least I finally got to experience post-Cata Hillsbrad and Southern Barrens this time |
| 02:47.30 | Amarande | hmm wonder how Southern Barrens is going to change with WoD |
| 02:47.38 | Neffi | they changed Hillsbrad post-Cata? |
| 02:47.40 | Amarande | since there's a few quests there that directly reference Garrosh |
| 02:48.03 | Amarande | whether they'll excise/change those or if it'll be like some other quests over the years where news just doesn't travel very fast in Azeroth apparently :) |
| 02:48.22 | Amarande | Neffi: yup. it's a 20-25 horde questing zone now, with no alliance bases at all |
| 02:48.26 | Neffi | The WoD FAQ said they're not going to go back and update all the old content for continuity's sake |
| 02:48.42 | Neffi | Each xpac's content will remain locked in its own state/time (at least for now) |
| 02:49.08 | Amarande | also Alterac Mountains was made officially part of Hillsbrad, and seems to have absolutely no purpose at all apart from killing monsters and gathering nodes |
| 02:49.39 | Amarande | there's a Horde flight path in Strahnbrad, but I'd finished the Hillsbrad Foothills Quests achievement plus a few more quests and there wasn't anything even sending me up into Alterac |
| 02:49.45 | Neffi | There used to be a few quests that took you into it, from Hillsbrad |
| 02:49.50 | Neffi | also, AV's queue was there |
| 02:49.56 | Amarande | yeah, the AV NPCs are still there |
| 02:50.26 | Amarande | heh, interesting little quest design bandaid they use to keep you from getting owned by the Alliance AV NPCs, too |
| 02:50.34 | Amarande | since you go across all four of the "fingers" towards the end |
| 02:51.02 | Amarande | when you're at the point in the quest where you're going to pass by the Alliance guys, you end up conveniently getting a disguise that makes you look human and friendly to the Alliance |
| 02:51.14 | Neffi | >_> |
| 02:51.18 | Amarande | ... in fact, you can even talk to the alliance AV quartermaster while you're on that quest |
| 02:51.21 | Neffi | it's shit like this |
| 02:51.31 | Neffi | I like having to dodge them |
| 02:51.32 | Amarande | though sadly, yes, the dev team thought of that, so no you can't buy alliance AV PvP items while you're there :( |
| 02:51.33 | Neffi | It adds depth |
| 02:51.44 | Amarande | he will buy your junk and repair your items though heh |
| 02:54.01 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/e7Z1B.png |
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| 03:07.54 | Thunder_Child | ugh, I have to go to a 3rd party product the change windows shortcut keys. |
| 03:08.04 | Thunder_Child | to change* |
| 03:08.33 | Amarande | T_C: that has long been my least favourite attribute of Windows |
| 03:08.55 | Amarande | features that you can take for granted on any sane Linux distro often require you to hunt (and sometimes pay registration) for some obscure util to do on Windows |
| 03:09.24 | Neffi | You can remap any key through the registry |
| 03:09.34 | Amarande | hm ... yeah, this drive is definitely, definitely toast |
| 03:09.45 | Neffi | It's just a bit of a bitch, so people write software to automate it |
| 03:09.52 | Amarande | I have a weird habit before wiping a hard drive of uninstalling my games and applications |
| 03:09.56 | Thunder_Child | Yes, I realize that |
| 03:10.04 | Neffi | Like handling some Linux config files that are less than sane |
| 03:10.10 | Amarande | and well ... stuff that should uninstall pretty quick is instead taking way longer than it seems it should, too |
| 03:10.37 | Neffi | Amarande: Why the hell are you continuining to stress the drive needlessly? |
| 03:10.56 | Neffi | Pull that shit out, throw it in the freezer, else you probably won't get your files off it when you get a replacement |
| 03:11.10 | Amarande | Neffi: actually, everything pretty much *is* backed up |
| 03:11.40 | Amarande | I was already getting ready to go to an SSD within a few months, it's more the bit of having to do it *now* |
| 03:11.54 | Amarande | (Especially since it means I have to go to Best Buy on PS4 launch day, heh) |
| 03:12.00 | Ressy | oh that'll be fun. |
| 03:12.08 | Neffi | los |
| 03:12.17 | Ressy | personally, I'd steer clear. |
| 03:12.33 | Amarande | heh, yeah, there'll probably be some employees looking at me like ... "wtf, he's not buying a ps4 ... HE'S GOING TO DEPRESS OUR SALES FIGURES FOR TEH DAY" LOL |
| 03:12.59 | Ressy | Hit up a computer parts store instead of best buy.. Less people. better deals. |
| 03:13.10 | Neffi | You'd.... steer clear? http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii75/366-08-christin/CIMG4301.jpg |
| 03:13.13 | Amarande | Ressy: I'd pretty much have to go down to NYC or so to do that, I think |
| 03:13.48 | Neffi | A lot of PC parts stores around here are gone the way of the dodo |
| 03:13.57 | Ressy | thats sad |
| 03:14.02 | Neffi | Killed by online shops and brick-and-mortor |
| 03:14.04 | Amarande | And if I order from the Egg, first I have to go the weekend at least before I get it |
| 03:14.09 | Neffi | I don't know of asingle one that's left |
| 03:14.19 | Neffi | 3 of the ones I used to go to are now cash-for-gold shops |
| 03:14.19 | Amarande | then I probably have to shell out extra for expedited shipping |
| 03:14.27 | Ressy | I've got one within a 20 minute bus ride. |
| 03:14.34 | znf | All the ones I know left are shitty, anyway |
| 03:14.36 | Amarande | because the big online shops tend to ship through the "mail-based courier" plans |
| 03:14.42 | Amarande | if you don't pay extra for the expedited |
| 03:14.43 | Ressy | Canada Computers is decent. |
| 03:14.54 | znf | Most products you have to order and come by the next day to get it |
| 03:15.00 | Amarande | and now that Christmas is right around the corner, anything like Smartpost/DHL Mail/UPS Mail Innovations is probably going to take forever to get here |
| 03:15.00 | znf | (ie: they don't really work with stocks) |
| 03:16.09 | Amarande | I can't believe this hard drive only lasted a little over a year |
| 03:16.19 | Amarande | maybe I was wrong about the warranties only reflecting a change in manufacturing habits :| |
| 03:16.55 | Amarande | like ... people have commented that hard drives used to have 3-5 year warranties most of the time and now many of them only have 1 year |
| 03:17.00 | Neffi | nice sample size you got there, buddy |
| 03:17.26 | Amarande | My usual thought on that has been that warranties are kept short now not because of drive lifespan, but because the manufacturers end-of-life models so much more often now |
| 03:17.30 | Ressy | I'm running 2 WD black 500g in raid 0.. Been running strong since Oct 08 |
| 03:17.39 | Amarande | So they don't want to get stuck giving people free upgrades due to warranty, so they keep the warranty short |
| 03:17.51 | Ressy | Don't pick shitty drives that'll fail early? |
| 03:18.13 | Amarande | well, this is a samsung/seagate drive |
| 03:18.18 | znf | Ressy, not like you have much of a choice lately. |
| 03:18.19 | Amarande | I always thought Seagate was still a reliable brand |
| 03:18.53 | znf | Ressy, last time I checked there's only Seagate and WD left on the market. |
| 03:19.18 | znf | oh, and Toshiba |
| 03:19.26 | znf | though I haven't seen a toshiba drive in years |
| 03:19.39 | Neffi | Hitachi's division lives on as HGST |
| 03:19.45 | Neffi | owned by WD though |
| 03:21.53 | Amarande | aright, time to go wipe this drive altogether in preparation for disposal |
| 03:22.08 | Neffi | njoy |
| 03:23.07 | Ressy | heh |
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| 03:34.07 | pompy1 | Can there be bogus petitions on that change.org site or are they all legit? |
| 03:35.05 | Arrowmaster | anybody can create one i think |
| 03:37.58 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 03:38.07 | Fisker | my ear fell off |
| 03:40.28 | Arrowmaster | cool story bro |
| 03:43.07 | Fisker | Thanks |
| 03:43.46 | Fisker | my cold level though |
| 03:43.54 | Fisker | it's so over 9000 |
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| 05:16.32 | pompy1 | Did anyone fly Southwest Airlines to Blizzcon? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/14/passenger-recounts-midair-nosedive-aboard-southwest-airlines-flight/ |
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| 05:18.30 | Shirik | fyi |
| 05:18.35 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-4-Launch-Edition/dp/B00BGA9WK2/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1384491867&sr=8-8&keywords=playstation+4 |
| 05:20.02 | Shirik | pompy1: "nosedive"? Really? |
| 05:20.18 | Shirik | I don't think the media understands just how difficult it is for a plane to nosedive |
| 05:20.24 | Shirik | descend suddenly, maybe |
| 05:20.26 | kd3 | it's fox... I kinda doubt those were the pilot's words |
| 05:20.53 | kd3 | wonders if flightaware has any info |
| 05:22.29 | kd3 | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA3426/history/20131112/2130Z/KTPA/KRDU |
| 05:24.30 | Shirik | FL400 to FL200 in about 3 minutes |
| 05:24.32 | Shirik | ouch |
| 05:30.13 | kd3 | the actual tracklog's scary... down 10k feet in a minute at 5:36 |
| 05:30.17 | kd3 | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA3426/history/20131112/2130Z/KTPA/KRDU/tracklog |
| 05:30.46 | Fisker | whats the blue line? |
| 05:30.55 | kd3 | speed |
| 05:31.16 | Fisker | why can't I just read? |
| 05:31.25 | kd3 | because that would be too easy |
| 05:31.28 | Fisker | :( |
| 05:35.41 | kd3 | haha; http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20131115/ |
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| 05:43.52 | jnwhiteh | Seerah: fixed, thanks for the report |
| 05:43.59 | jnwhiteh | I have no idea when the code that caused this showed up =) |
| 05:45.25 | jnwhiteh | Apparently I added it |
| 05:45.29 | jnwhiteh | and I have no idea when. |
| 05:45.34 | jnwhiteh | probably half a year ago |
| 05:46.23 | Seerah | I don't recall the when the last time I had used it was :) |
| 05:47.07 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: I would say any -y of 45 deg. or more could be considered a nosedive. |
| 05:47.09 | jnwhiteh | or... anyone.. used it |
| 05:47.10 | jnwhiteh | apparently |
| 05:47.17 | jnwhiteh | it would habve broken the in-editor syntax checking as well |
| 05:54.10 | Seerah | I do use it, though! :) |
| 05:59.42 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: going beyond like |
| 05:59.43 | Shirik | 10 degrees |
| 05:59.47 | Shirik | is extremely difficult |
| 05:59.56 | Shirik | planes don't fly that way |
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| 06:26.08 | Fisker | what if I told you hi Shirik ? |
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| 06:56.48 | Shirik | hi Fisker |
| 07:00.39 | Shirik | jnwhiteh you around? |
| 07:01.02 | Shirik | see here's the part that doesn't make sense kd3 |
| 07:01.08 | Shirik | you don't increase speed AND descend |
| 07:01.25 | Shirik | I really want to know what happened now |
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| 07:09.40 | Shirik | aha! |
| 07:09.48 | Shirik | so apparently it was a controlled, but rapid, descent |
| 07:09.50 | Shirik | that makes a lot more sense |
| 07:10.05 | Shirik | so the plane was never in any severe danger, but it needed to get out of that altitude |
| 07:10.18 | Shirik | they were failing to maintain cabin pressure |
| 07:30.17 | Semlar | bro you got to maintain |
| 07:36.15 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:36.19 | Fisker | you guys are creepy |
| 07:36.20 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/8No50W3.png |
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| 08:15.04 | haste | hey Fisker, yep. |
| 08:15.12 | haste | komplett has it automated tho' |
| 08:16.04 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ob-itheNbI |
| 08:30.00 | Sintacks | OKAY THEN |
| 08:30.01 | Sintacks | so |
| 08:30.09 | Sintacks | if anyone's been watching or whatever |
| 08:30.16 | Sintacks | i've beenhaving issues where i just randomly competely lock up |
| 08:30.21 | Sintacks | just happened with 0 addons |
| 08:30.24 | Sintacks | so now i nkow it's not an addon |
| 08:30.28 | Sintacks | SO WHAT THE FOUFOIJLSDFASOIJF |
| 08:30.37 | zenzio | is just WoW hanging, or your computer? |
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| 08:43.45 | Stanzilla | my wow sometimes hangs when people on my real id go on/off |
| 08:44.11 | znf | my rift has low fps, fix that :( |
| 08:44.27 | Stanzilla | stop playing on your gameboy |
| 08:44.40 | znf | but, I haz quad core :( |
| 08:45.08 | Stanzilla | 4 gameboys? |
| 08:45.30 | znf | you're so mean : |
| 08:45.31 | znf | :( |
| 08:46.46 | Bruners | Fisker: what did you order? |
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| 09:05.01 | Maldivia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FIvfx5J10 -- so apparently jean claude van damme still knows how to spread his legs :) |
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| 09:23.47 | Sintacks | zenzio, just WoW |
| 09:24.19 | Sintacks | no warning. or anything. just locks up. |
| 09:25.13 | Sintacks | so right now, i've got WoW installed on my SSD as my main thing. I have another install on my HDD for multiboxing, with symlinks to the SSD's \Data\ folder. |
| 09:25.22 | Sintacks | the multibox client hasn't locked up once in two days |
| 09:25.34 | Sintacks | so i wonder if there's osmething wrong with my SSD's exe . |
| 09:25.42 | Sintacks | if there were, i would assume the battle.net app would fix it |
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| 09:26.40 | Maldivia | right click the exe, select properties, select digital signature, select blizzard, click Details - if it says its OK, then the exe is fine :) |
| 09:27.09 | Sintacks | says it's okay |
| 09:27.32 | Sintacks | oh wait. i also symlink the exe for the multibox... |
| 09:27.33 | Sintacks | lol |
| 09:27.36 | Sintacks | so they are using the same exe |
| 09:27.43 | Sintacks | which makes it even weirder |
| 09:27.47 | Sintacks | that only one of them locks up |
| 09:28.02 | Sintacks | for a bit, i thought maybe it was some dick on my realid and there's another "LOL DC YOUR FRIENDS" bug out there |
| 09:28.43 | Sintacks | which could have made sense at the time. cuz around the time it started, i addded someone back on realID that had removed me a while back with the last bug for that, cuz he and a few others thought i was doing it to them |
| 09:30.15 | Sintacks | deleted both exes and restarted battle.net app to make it remake them |
| 09:30.50 | Sintacks | lol. it remade them all. BlizzardError, MovieProxy, World of Warcraft Launcher, Wow, Wow-64 |
| 09:40.05 | Maldivia | yeah, it just extracts the base mpq |
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| 10:18.49 | jleclanche | god i love my isp |
| 10:18.50 | jleclanche | https://clueless.aa.net.uk/blip.cgi |
| 10:23.41 | zenzio | what are we looking at/for? |
| 10:23.45 | zenzio | the spike at the start? |
| 10:35.15 | zenzio | "Smartphone wifi has about the same effective range as shouting in many circumstances" |
| 10:35.21 | zenzio | true story |
| 10:39.12 | nevcairiel | my wifi works fine o.o |
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| 10:41.15 | jleclanche | zenzio: i just found out that my isp has live data on logins & logouts |
| 10:50.17 | karl_w_w | all wifi has the same effective range as shouting... |
| 10:53.52 | zenzio | nevcairiel, karl_w_w: I have no stats; I just found it amusing (and seemingly true, though that can be blamed on bad routers). Picked it up from John Carmack's twitter |
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| 11:33.21 | Fisker | a new headset Bruners |
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| 12:18.09 | Arrowmaster | lol https://twitter.com/RinTheYordle/status/401041078398091264/photo/1/large |
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| 13:16.17 | karl_w_w | this x rebirth looks good |
| 13:16.56 | AcidWeb | karl_w_w: Do you have option to enable AF in graphic options? |
| 13:17.38 | karl_w_w | funny, I was playing FTL yesterday and it made me think back when I used to play this game way back when on my palm which was a space trader combat sort of thing and x rebirth seems to be like it |
| 13:18.24 | karl_w_w | I 2x don't know what you are talking about AcidWeb, what is AF and what graphics options? |
| 13:18.36 | karl_w_w | anti-freeze? |
| 13:18.58 | AcidWeb | Anisotropic Filtering |
| 13:19.19 | AcidWeb | Im talking about X: Rebirth |
| 13:19.52 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't know, I don't have it |
| 13:20.01 | AcidWeb | ah. |
| 13:20.27 | AcidWeb | I missunderstand yours "this x rebirth looks good" ;p |
| 13:22.25 | karl_w_w | ah |
| 13:22.53 | AcidWeb | Game is half-broken now anyway. |
| 13:22.57 | AcidWeb | We will see after next patch. |
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| 13:27.36 | zenzio | happy Friday, peppy! |
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| 13:50.21 | Lopeppeppy | Bonjour, bonjour! |
| 13:50.32 | Lopeppeppy | Happiest of felicitous Fridays to you. |
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| 14:14.11 | zenzio | Battlefield 4 simulator in HTML: http://zerror.com/zoo/bf4/bf4.htm |
| 14:16.03 | Maldivia | zenzio: hehe - nuce |
| 14:16.05 | Maldivia | nice* |
| 14:21.02 | karl_w_w | I heard cod ghosts is just a nintendogs rip-off |
| 14:30.41 | Neffi | lol ^ |
| 14:41.27 | Neffi | lol @ top comment: http://imgur.com/gallery/SdvNZgY |
| 14:46.11 | zenzio | I never understood why the "Half-Life 3 confirmed"-thing became a thing |
| 14:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | Because conspiracy theories are twice as addictive as crack, and rot your brain into mush. |
| 14:50.25 | foxlit | more like because it's funny. |
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| 15:01.01 | Stanzilla | foxlit: GameTooltipTextLeft1:SetText(_G["INLINE_" .. role .. "_ICON"] .. " " .. GetUnitName(u)) <- " attempt to concatenate a nil value" |
| 15:01.40 | foxlit | Fix getunitname :) |
| 15:03.07 | foxlit | Or quote me the second line of that function |
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| 15:04.32 | Lopeppeppy | GetUnitName breaks a lot of hearts, I hear. |
| 15:05.19 | foxlit | colourless green ideas sleep furiously, Lopeppeppy. |
| 15:05.32 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, that is damn sexy. |
| 15:05.44 | Neffi | wtf |
| 15:09.56 | Stanzilla | foxlit: here, have your paste :D http://pastebin.com/8nikkQef |
| 15:10.48 | foxlit | Stanzilla: http://pastebin.com/P2w28axN |
| 15:20.19 | Stanzilla | foxlit: does nothing now :D |
| 15:22.51 | foxlit | Which is to say it works? |
| 15:23.00 | Stanzilla | I guess I could just steal the code from the roleicons addon |
| 15:24.12 | Lopeppeppy | "Analyze", not "steal". Jeez. |
| 15:25.22 | foxlit | Some variation on that theme works for me, anyway |
| 15:25.30 | Neffi | How do you know Stanzilla isn't gonna break into the author's house and steal his hard drive to get at the code? |
| 15:25.52 | Ackis | how do you know he hasn't already/ |
| 15:26.02 | foxlit | You'll probably run into trouble if you have other mods that mess with the tooltip |
| 15:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to teach him to teach himself to fish! :P |
| 15:27.53 | Neffi | Most people don't want to learn to fish |
| 15:28.03 | Neffi | They'd rather to go the market and snag somebody else's fish |
| 15:28.34 | foxlit | Teaching people to fish leads to overfishing. Then, everyone dies of starvation. |
| 15:32.42 | Dagmar | Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. |
| 15:32.51 | Dagmar | Give a man to a fish and you'll have a very happy fish. |
| 15:35.29 | Neffi | what would a fish do with a man? |
| 15:35.34 | Dagmar | Digest. |
| 15:35.39 | Stanzilla | oh god that code |
| 15:35.52 | Neffi | lel |
| 15:38.36 | Lopeppeppy | Stanzilla, foxlit wants you to die of starvation. Go steal code! :) |
| 15:38.55 | Stanzilla | request denied |
| 15:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | I will mourn you anon. |
| 15:51.11 | Neffi | I thought they got rid of *update*.MPQ |
| 15:51.28 | Neffi | Isn't everything supposed to be written to the base/expansion.MPQ files now? |
| 15:51.35 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 15:51.54 | Neffi | Looks kinda funny when you're doing a fresh install and you've got a shitload of update files |
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| 15:56.26 | Neffi | http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_03 <- 2.2.3 |
| 15:56.27 | Neffi | it's POSIX |
| 15:56.36 | Neffi | wrong window =| |
| 16:04.00 | Dagmar | POSIX needs a gangsign |
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| 16:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | dances with Unkle. |
| 16:39.38 | Unkle | dances with Lopeppeppy. |
| 16:39.47 | TC-Work | casts grease |
| 16:39.54 | Unkle | Freenode is being particularly unwelcoming today. |
| 16:40.54 | Lopeppeppy | I think it is participating in the union battles we're having here on campus. Solidarity with the workers! |
| 16:41.19 | Unkle | Union battles? Do you have Confederates too? |
| 16:41.54 | TC-Work | Unkle: So I ended up just going with a new ac router since I didn't have the places to plug in an extender |
| 16:42.35 | Unkle | TC-Work: One with a better antenna? |
| 16:42.49 | TC-Work | Unkle: Since what I have is isp provided I suspect so. |
| 16:43.11 | TC-Work | supposedly it can it 300ft. indoors. |
| 16:43.12 | Unkle | TC-Work: Getting enough wifi in the other room now? |
| 16:43.20 | TC-Work | Dunno, doesnt arrive till tomorrow. |
| 16:43.34 | Unkle | Ah. |
| 16:44.32 | TC-Work | So I will be doing that and my new GTX 780. Although I would rather be playing games tbh. |
| 16:44.38 | Unkle | I'm considering running some of my spare Access Points out to different buildings and seeing if I can't get us some better coverage - sadly, most of our buildings act like pretty good shields for low-power radio. |
| 16:45.01 | TC-Work | Unkle: LoS via windows? |
| 16:45.15 | TC-Work | Line of sight, not loss of signal. |
| 16:45.21 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, are you seriously considering re-wiring your apartment complex? Or are you talking work? |
| 16:45.41 | Unkle | Concrete and rebar and buildings full of metal fermentation tanks. ( Lopeppeppy, it's work) |
| 16:46.19 | TC-Work | I once asked a marine radio operator which acronym they used, and he said all of them. |
| 16:46.37 | TC-Work | Yes, that's going to work well. |
| 16:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, big tanks of wine. |
| 16:48.27 | Unkle | Mmmm. |
| 16:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | Must consider a stop at my local store for something to take home for the weekend. I'm partial to muscatos. |
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| 16:58.54 | TC-Work | Huh, amazon is offering me free sunday delivery for my item. |
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| 17:05.37 | Unkle | Do you have Prime? |
| 17:06.07 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 17:06.49 | Unkle | Then you'll be getting something via the USPS if you opt for Sunday delivery. They've been trumpeting this new partnership a lot the last week. |
| 17:08.13 | TC-Work | I remember reading about that. |
| 17:08.26 | TC-Work | But usps doesnt deliver sunday iirc |
| 17:08.38 | TC-Work | normally |
| 17:08.39 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: i am now |
| 17:08.41 | jnwhiteh | that probably doesn't help you |
| 17:08.54 | Unkle | TC-Work: For their express mail services they do |
| 17:10.07 | g0urra | Hotline Miami x Team Fortress 2 https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/575765_492090150904703_1146506204_n.png |
| 17:11.17 | Mihau | Nice. :D |
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| 17:24.40 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: How about now? :) |
| 17:25.09 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yep |
| 17:25.24 | jnwhiteh | sup? |
| 17:25.38 | Shirik | I'm very close to buying a macbook pro. What are your thoughts on xcode? I'm so used to visual studio I'm trying to think about what I would be giving up. |
| 17:25.58 | jnwhiteh | I don't use XCode at all |
| 17:26.02 | jnwhiteh | I'd probably use IntelliJ |
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| 17:26.16 | jnwhiteh | but that's because I use PHPStorm and PyCharm all day long |
| 17:26.16 | Shirik | need C++ |
| 17:26.17 | jnwhiteh | so I'm used to it |
| 17:26.30 | jnwhiteh | I know lots of people that like XCode |
| 17:26.38 | jnwhiteh | its fairly easy to customize as an editor |
| 17:27.32 | Shirik | any major regrets with mac os? |
| 17:28.53 | Neffi | association with a bunch of clueless snobs? |
| 17:29.03 | Neffi | wait, you have that anywhere. nvm. |
| 17:29.34 | Unkle | Shirik: If you're comfortable with terminal windows, Mac OS feels a lot like *nix. |
| 17:29.50 | Shirik | that's what I've been thinking |
| 17:30.01 | Shirik | I actually am getting uncomfortable with windows command line |
| 17:30.05 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I have none |
| 17:30.07 | Shirik | I have to install *nix tools on windows :P |
| 17:30.19 | Neffi | I wouldn't imagine a *nix OS feels a lot like *nix >_> |
| 17:30.22 | jnwhiteh | the most important thing is the ubuntu/mac behaviour of switching from windows being different from switching applications |
| 17:30.25 | Unkle | Shirik: Then you'll feel fine on Mac OS X |
| 17:30.27 | jnwhiteh | that takes lots of getting used to |
| 17:30.27 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 17:30.31 | jnwhiteh | but yeah =) |
| 17:30.53 | Shirik | what do you mean by that |
| 17:30.58 | Neffi | If you want to work in *nix, why not go with Linux? |
| 17:31.18 | Shirik | Neffi: Because one of my reasons is to be able to develop for iOS devices |
| 17:31.26 | Neffi | I see |
| 17:31.53 | Neffi | Well I've seen people do cool stuff with OS X by treating it like the *nix it is |
| 17:36.16 | Semlar | world of logs doesn't think we killed immerseus >_> |
| 17:37.09 | Semlar | it think we wiped on him and then just continued on with the raid |
| 17:41.02 | karl_w_w | you guys don't give a shit about blizzard's ruwels, you're just carrying on with the raid! |
| 17:41.09 | TC-Work | http://www.hardwarepal.com/ddr4-memory-will-released-next-month/#_ |
| 17:43.47 | Shirik | I love how everyone always looks at speed |
| 17:46.05 | Semlar | gotta go fast |
| 17:46.17 | karl_w_w | or the bus blows |
| 17:48.34 | Mr_Rabies | lol can't believe that so many people really think reforging as currently implemented is a good thing |
| 17:49.06 | kd3 | the cheering at blizzcon far outweighed the booing |
| 17:49.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's a great idea, but in reality, it means you're gonna wait to put on gear or take 20 minutes to go to town to fix it |
| 17:49.26 | Mr_Rabies | and delay your raid in progress |
| 17:49.50 | Mr_Rabies | same applies to gems and enchants, honestly |
| 17:50.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think reforging could still exist as something you can just do without going to a vendor |
| 17:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | but even then, fine tuning everything usually requires reforging everything |
| 17:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | it mostly was a bandaid on the hit/exp cap problem, so it's way less of an issue now that those are going away |
| 17:51.33 | Mr_Rabies | and haste breakpoints are supposedly going away too |
| 17:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | so i guess it's just up to blizzard to make all the applicable secondary stats similarly viable for every spec, even if all it does is alter playstyle |
| 17:55.02 | adys | https://mediacru.sh/gpWt7Ag2pGXk.png |
| 17:55.33 | karl_w_w | I'll take not being able to use a piece of gear straight away over not being able to use a piece of gear at all even though it's a tier higher than what you have because the itemization is bad |
| 17:57.12 | karl_w_w | what kind of impatience is going on that you can't wait to equip a piece of gear? and how is reforging the barrier, when you can use a reforge mount and you have to go gem and chant it anyway? |
| 17:58.14 | Ermad | I don't like reforging because it contributes towards ilvl is more important than anything else, which makes gearing really boring imo |
| 17:58.18 | karl_w_w | people have had to wait to use new loot since BC, it hasn't been a problem until now |
| 17:58.51 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: I didn't follow the discussion but |
| 17:59.00 | jleclanche | are you seriously defending wow's shittyass loot system? WTF? |
| 17:59.18 | karl_w_w | er, no? |
| 17:59.21 | jleclanche | people PUT UP with it, they don't especially like it just because they don't say "it's baaaaaaaad" |
| 17:59.32 | Semlar | he's defending reforging |
| 17:59.47 | jleclanche | reforging is a "fix" to the shittyass loot system |
| 17:59.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just glad itemization has been normalized over the years |
| 18:00.01 | jleclanche | just like set tokens are a fix to the shitty ass loot system |
| 18:00.06 | jleclanche | just like bonus rolls are a fix to it |
| 18:00.08 | Semlar | i have no idea what you mean by loot system |
| 18:00.12 | Ermad | how exactly do you feel WoW's loot system is shittyass? |
| 18:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad stats are purely a product of item level now other than set bonuses |
| 18:00.31 | karl_w_w | a plan for making something better starts with fixing the problem jleclanche, not by removing the system that helps cope with the problem |
| 18:00.32 | jleclanche | Ermad: oh god. so many reasons |
| 18:00.56 | jleclanche | here's the thing |
| 18:00.59 | Ermad | mr_rabies: I am not, makes gearing boring as hell. just max ilvl and reforge according to priorities and you are done |
| 18:01.04 | Lopeppeppy | Any system that has had so many tweaks over such a long time is going to get out of whack. That's half the "fun" |
| 18:01.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's better than the alternative, Ermad |
| 18:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | where stuff is grossly under or over budget |
| 18:01.26 | Semlar | would you prefer higher level gear not be an upgrade? |
| 18:01.37 | karl_w_w | Ermad, boring is getting new gear and not being able to use it over the 6 month old piece you have |
| 18:01.47 | Ermad | I liked that, made you actually consider each piece of gear and not just see an ilvl foreach slot (besides trinkets) |
| 18:02.00 | karl_w_w | boring is having to grind 10 month old raids because they drop your best piece |
| 18:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | it is just an ilvl for each slot, though D: |
| 18:02.13 | jleclanche | every expansion has had various "fixes" to the loot system because of issues that rose up in various conditions. from 40 man raids where getting an item was super rare, to 25vs10 where there was stats imbalance, etc etc |
| 18:02.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's better to be standardized |
| 18:02.20 | jleclanche | when a system gets so many "fixes" |
| 18:02.23 | jleclanche | its inherently broken |
| 18:02.24 | jleclanche | period |
| 18:02.34 | Mr_Rabies | and know "well, if this has a higher ilvl, it's better for me most likely" |
| 18:02.52 | Mr_Rabies | that should be the case for everyone, ESPECIALLY now that reforging is gone |
| 18:03.02 | jleclanche | pandaria has normalized it all to hell and while id love a better solution, it's miles ahead of the broken hybrid mutant system we've had till now |
| 18:03.06 | jleclanche | yep Mr_Rabies |
| 18:03.17 | Semlar | i would be pissed if a higher level item weren't an upgrade |
| 18:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | i've had a few cases of that |
| 18:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | hell, i didn't upgrade anything but my weapon until level 90 |
| 18:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | because i had heroic cata gear |
| 18:03.44 | jleclanche | [18:01:47] <Ermad> I liked that, made you actually consider each piece of gear and not just see an ilvl foreach slot (besides trinkets) |
| 18:03.55 | Ermad | I would be pissed if a higher ilvl piece wasnt consistently better. but I think its find to have higher ilvl be better 80% of the time, around even 10% and wrose 10% |
| 18:04.01 | Ermad | rewards knowledge about your class |
| 18:04.04 | Ermad | and actually care about your gear |
| 18:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | the gem slots and set bonuses made the heroic gear way better than anything until the last 2 dungeons |
| 18:04.06 | Ermad | not just ilvl |
| 18:04.07 | jleclanche | heres the thing Ermad; that would be lovely and I like that concept too, but that just never existed in wow |
| 18:04.31 | jleclanche | the concept of crit being better than hit or haste or whatever have you new flotm stat |
| 18:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | why would they take the time to add gear and drops that were downgrades? |
| 18:04.34 | jleclanche | is retarded |
| 18:04.35 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't make any sense to me |
| 18:04.47 | Ermad | downgrades for your class doesnt mean downgrades for everyone |
| 18:05.02 | karl_w_w | so you're saying some classes should get stiffed at random? |
| 18:05.06 | jleclanche | Ermad: that leads to immediate whine |
| 18:05.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think haste, crit, and mastery should all equal out across a total raid, but have advantages for certain things |
| 18:05.10 | jleclanche | cf what karl_w_w said |
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| 18:05.39 | Mr_Rabies | haste would be good for fights with a lot of movement for casters, crit would be better for lots of bursty fights with aoe mobs, etc |
| 18:05.40 | Ermad | karl_w_w: they arent being stiffed, as long as they have another drop of same ilvl that is a goodupgrade |
| 18:05.59 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: that is a concept, but it just doesnt work in wow |
| 18:06.00 | Ermad | like I have 3 choices for each slot atm in SoO, its super boring if they are all equal |
| 18:06.13 | karl_w_w | they aren't all equal |
| 18:06.16 | jleclanche | because some classes have inherent preference for haste (eg HoT/DoT ticks), or crit (procs) |
| 18:06.20 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 18:06.20 | karl_w_w | there are still better ones |
| 18:06.26 | Mr_Rabies | that's part of the current design, jleclanche |
| 18:06.28 | jleclanche | yes |
| 18:06.30 | karl_w_w | guess what, it's already not just about ilvl |
| 18:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | they've already said they're getting rid of breakpoints for haste |
| 18:06.35 | jleclanche | but thats a stupid, un-fun design |
| 18:06.38 | Mr_Rabies | so that's out the window for that |
| 18:06.40 | jleclanche | it could be so much better but no |
| 18:06.42 | Ermad | its 90% about ilvl atm |
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| 18:06.52 | karl_w_w | as you just said it should be |
| 18:07.14 | Mr_Rabies | and crit really shouldn't contribute to procs either |
| 18:07.18 | karl_w_w | oh sorry you said 80% |
| 18:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | feral had pretty much equality with every secondary stat in cata |
| 18:07.29 | Mr_Rabies | and i think that's how it should be |
| 18:07.30 | Semlar | i can tell you none of the warforged gear off ordos is an upgrade over the normal gear i currently have |
| 18:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | just get more of the one that alters your playstyle in the way you want |
| 18:07.42 | Semlar | and half the trinkets are useless |
| 18:08.08 | Mr_Rabies | faster paced gameplay -> more haste, bigger numbers -> crit, more uniqueness from class abilities or whatever -> mastery |
| 18:08.28 | jleclanche | so what is happening RIGHT NOW is you have a pure spreadsheet of stats that blizz is doing its best to equalize so that "other classes" don't get stiffed, every drop is equal or near-equal, the ilvl is the main point of entry to any sort of comparison and the only real "personalisation" of your character is done through gems and reforge, which are dictated by an external tool that calculates this shit for you because, truly, there's only one way to |
| 18:08.28 | jleclanche | play in pve: not sucking. |
| 18:08.45 | jleclanche | this is a system that screams for what WoD is bringing |
| 18:09.19 | Ermad | WoD will all be stupid RNG and tons worse. cleave is such a good stat for some classes |
| 18:09.21 | A-KO^^ | http://i.imgur.com/hMceCqG.jpg < We got this e-mail today at work. |
| 18:09.28 | Mr_Rabies | stat personalization should be purely just for preference, imo |
| 18:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | cleave is a tertiary stat |
| 18:09.37 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: agreed, but its a huge if |
| 18:09.39 | Ermad | so why would you give up an item with tertiary cleave for a higher one without |
| 18:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | don't expect to see a lot of it |
| 18:09.51 | karl_w_w | "this is a system that screams for what WoD is bringing" <- assuming they manage to do what they have almost completely failed to do in the past, equalise secondaries |
| 18:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's mostly just a bonus deal |
| 18:09.54 | Ermad | thats my point, you will hold onto items with good tertiarys forever |
| 18:10.10 | Mr_Rabies | eh, it's gonna be like a weak set bonus at best i think |
| 18:10.20 | Mr_Rabies | just so you don't feel totally gimped without a set bonus |
| 18:10.24 | fewyn | http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/blog/11648055/post-blizzcon%C2%AE-online-store-sale-nov-15-nov-17-11-15-2013 |
| 18:10.26 | Mr_Rabies | which is current design, at least for me |
| 18:10.28 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: nah that doesnt really matter |
| 18:10.40 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: as long as they're roughly equal, its fine. and in MoP they're roughly equal |
| 18:10.43 | Mr_Rabies | set bonuses are nice that they're so powerful, but it DOES make non-set gear kinda suck |
| 18:10.47 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 18:10.56 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be interesting if only non-set gear could have tertiary stats |
| 18:10.56 | karl_w_w | maybe for your class they are roughly equal |
| 18:11.03 | Semlar | i would prefer set bonuses not be all that powerful |
| 18:11.11 | Mr_Rabies | so you have to juggle set bonuses and tertiary stats |
| 18:11.13 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: the keyword being roughly; roughly enough to make the ilvl the point of entry for a comparison, not the stats |
| 18:11.16 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's great, Semlar |
| 18:11.24 | Mr_Rabies | it means you play a bit differently with each patch, keeping things fresh |
| 18:11.29 | Mr_Rabies | since the set bonuses will change |
| 18:12.09 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: since the statpool is pretty well distributed over an entire raid's loot table and theres always minimum two secondary stats on an item, its fine |
| 18:12.19 | jleclanche | even if theres one stat that makes you a gimped out leper |
| 18:12.58 | Mr_Rabies | there really shouldn't be any stats that straight up suck in comparison to others other than those they can't benefit from like strength for casters, etc |
| 18:13.12 | karl_w_w | as a frost mage it has haste on it or it's crappy |
| 18:13.25 | karl_w_w | haste is far better than crit and mastery |
| 18:13.26 | jleclanche | not really |
| 18:13.29 | jleclanche | im a frost mage |
| 18:13.46 | jleclanche | but you give me an item with a 10-15 ilvl upgrade and it's systematically better |
| 18:13.54 | karl_w_w | thanks to reforge |
| 18:13.56 | jleclanche | yep |
| 18:14.09 | Mr_Rabies | i think blizzard has a spotty wiretap on me sometimes |
| 18:14.16 | jleclanche | granted that might change in WoD because of the lack of reforge AND the recalculation of stats |
| 18:14.18 | Mr_Rabies | because it seems each expansion is slowly moving towards my ideal of wow |
| 18:14.29 | Mr_Rabies | (other than the dailies in early MoP, eff dat ess) |
| 18:15.06 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: I'm gonna put that somewhere public and send a LOT of angry people your way, because wow is a seriously terrible game in many aspects. |
| 18:15.08 | karl_w_w | maybe one day they'll bring back the 5 second rule and I can play priest again :P |
| 18:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | lol jleclanche |
| 18:15.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think it gets better with every expansion |
| 18:15.38 | jleclanche | yeah some of it |
| 18:15.42 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: i get what you mean though, but lets be honest here |
| 18:15.50 | karl_w_w | some things get worsew |
| 18:15.52 | jleclanche | the whole stat rethinking in WoD, it was a long time coming |
| 18:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | what makes it _terrible_ and why do you still play if it's terrible? |
| 18:16.02 | jleclanche | i play for my guild |
| 18:16.03 | Ermad | yea... terible game that people have been paying $15/mo for 9 years for. nothing comes close to WoW's endgame |
| 18:16.17 | jleclanche | i said in many aspects |
| 18:16.19 | jleclanche | not in all aspects |
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| 18:16.34 | jleclanche | just because aspects of a game is terrible doesn't make it not worth playing |
| 18:17.30 | Dagmar | This is the internet. Of course it does. If there's anything flawed, you're supposed to post endlessly about how it makes the baby jesus cry and all the developers are noobs. |
| 18:18.04 | Dagmar | Otherwise, no one will ever be able to tell your parents are fully supportive of the "Internet As Babysitter" method of parenting. |
| 18:18.31 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: what makes it terrible: so many things. mostly though, I wager it has a lot to do with blizzard trying to please too many people because that's where the money is |
| 18:18.39 | mikma | tharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/ltI7ikt |
| 18:19.10 | jleclanche | wow could be an absolutely FANTASTIC game when it comes to high end raiding, but it's quite shite because it has to please casuals, PvPers, etc |
| 18:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think in most cases, if any aspect of a game is terrible the whole game is tainted |
| 18:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | terrible is a pretty strong adjective |
| 18:20.09 | jleclanche | as it stands, its a "pretty good" casual game, but it could be so much better |
| 18:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | but my only real gripe with this expansion as far as i play the game are the dailies in early MoP |
| 18:21.03 | Mr_Rabies | and they fix all my minor gripes on a patch-to-patch or expansion-to-expansion basis it seems |
| 18:21.07 | jleclanche | but any change to that core issue would make wow lose subscribers in the millions, because theres a huge amount of players as it is and blizz caters for the money |
| 18:21.11 | jleclanche | s/for/to/ |
| 18:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think you have different definitions of terrible if your "better" game would cause droves of people to quit |
| 18:22.12 | jleclanche | I'm saying the game could be better in several aspects if it accepted trading off that improvement for a disruption in other aspects of the game |
| 18:22.14 | Mr_Rabies | you can say you don't find certain aspects fun, but it can't exactly be "terrible" if around 7 million people play it |
| 18:22.19 | jleclanche | yes? |
| 18:22.35 | jleclanche | otherwise you're saying windows is the best thing ever because its on SO MANY DEVICES |
| 18:22.38 | Dagmar | How many Blackberry users are there? |
| 18:22.42 | jleclanche | haha |
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| 18:22.55 | jleclanche | Dagmar: I am wearing a blackberry shirt, does that count? |
| 18:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | windows is definitely the best operating system for 90% of people, jleclanche |
| 18:23.18 | Mr_Rabies | myself included |
| 18:23.23 | jleclanche | that is a moronic thing to say |
| 18:23.32 | jleclanche | the only reason it's the "best" is because it's out there |
| 18:23.50 | Semlar | out where |
| 18:24.35 | jleclanche | just because something has more users doesn't make it better than something that doesn't |
| 18:24.42 | jleclanche | that very concept would stifle innovation |
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| 18:24.59 | jleclanche | that very concept would have made svn better than git, cvs better than svn, and malaria better than both |
| 18:25.06 | Mr_Rabies | no, it's not the reason, but it can't really be "terrible" if millions of people use it |
| 18:25.12 | Mr_Rabies | of their own choice |
| 18:25.32 | Mr_Rabies | it can be mediocre, maybe |
| 18:25.51 | karl_w_w | windows is the best operating system for gamers |
| 18:25.54 | Mr_Rabies | but popularity is at least -somewhat- correlated to quality |
| 18:25.55 | karl_w_w | fulls top |
| 18:26.02 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: except, it's not |
| 18:26.10 | Mr_Rabies | windows is the best operating system for 90% of people out there, karl_w_w |
| 18:26.10 | jleclanche | linux has a much higher opengl performance |
| 18:26.18 | nevcairiel | except games dont use opengl |
| 18:26.20 | Semlar | it's too bad you can't actually play any games on it |
| 18:26.21 | Mr_Rabies | how's linux's directx performance? |
| 18:26.25 | Semlar | hahaha |
| 18:27.01 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: directx is a lot worse than opengl |
| 18:27.09 | jleclanche | im not even gonna get into all that |
| 18:27.21 | Semlar | one day it might be better, today is not that day |
| 18:27.24 | karl_w_w | if it's so much worse why do devs keep making dx games |
| 18:27.44 | Primer | $$$ |
| 18:27.49 | jleclanche | because microsoft is sabotaging opengl on windows |
| 18:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | opengl's available on more platforms, yet they continue to make directx games |
| 18:27.56 | jleclanche | how many fucking times |
| 18:27.59 | Semlar | DAMN YOU MICROSOFT!!!! |
| 18:28.05 | Semlar | always keeping the linux down! |
| 18:28.10 | jleclanche | jesus christ |
| 18:28.16 | jleclanche | are you guys fucking serious? |
| 18:28.18 | Semlar | yes |
| 18:28.20 | Semlar | go away |
| 18:28.25 | jleclanche | out of all channels i would except this shit to be understood in here |
| 18:28.41 | nevcairiel | your comments sound like the usual FUD to be honest :P |
| 18:28.45 | karl_w_w | you're letting theory get in the way of reality |
| 18:31.17 | Mr_Rabies | freenode isn't always a 100% Stallman circlejerk, unfortunately |
| 18:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | only most of the time |
| 18:36.39 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: I'm having a hard time picturing how so many people here have zero gamedev experience |
| 18:36.44 | nevcairiel | that is totally irrelevant |
| 18:36.44 | jleclanche | fuck, where was the video |
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| 18:36.59 | jleclanche | at the pc gaming conference a couple months ago, one of the Q&As had a "What are you looking forward to the most with gaming on Linux?" |
| 18:37.07 | nevcairiel | linux for desktop just sucks balls |
| 18:37.10 | jleclanche | and the immediate answer was "no longer working with directx" with a HUGE cheer |
| 18:37.14 | nevcairiel | they cant even get audio and video playback right |
| 18:37.14 | Primer | nevcairiel: except it doesn't |
| 18:37.14 | nevcairiel | yes it does |
| 18:37.14 | Dagmar | lol |
| 18:37.17 | nevcairiel | its multimedia subsystem is decades behind windows |
| 18:37.28 | jleclanche | you are WAY overestimating windows' multimedia subsystem |
| 18:37.40 | Primer | Then you need to be specific |
| 18:37.41 | jleclanche | pulseaudio has integration issues but it's a lot better than W7's winmm |
| 18:37.41 | Dagmar | pulseaudio is not to be involved in those estimations of fitness |
| 18:39.17 | nevcairiel | pulseaudio is crap |
| 18:39.17 | nevcairiel | also, its just software, not the system |
| 18:39.18 | Primer | because I've been using a Linux desktop at my past 4 jobs, which dates back to 1999 |
| 18:39.19 | jleclanche | heres the thing |
| 18:39.19 | Primer | and I like that I can make my desktop do what _I_ want |
| 18:39.20 | jleclanche | a bunch of people in here are claiming windows is better because it has more users, and windows has more users because it's better |
| 18:39.20 | Primer | not what someone else thinks is appropriate |
| 18:39.20 | jleclanche | this circular bs should be caught earlier on. |
| 18:39.20 | nevcairiel | I cant make a linux desktop do what i want to, because their multimedia support is just terrible |
| 18:39.21 | Primer | jleclanche: that's obviously bogus, and anyone here who says otherwise is trolling |
| 18:39.21 | karl_w_w | I don't think anyone claimed windows is better because it has more users |
| 18:39.21 | Dagmar | http://dagmar.evilgiggle.com/~dagmar/crap/IMG_20131115_122925.jpg <-- Yeah, my camera's face camera kinda sucks, but it should give you an idea how quickly facial hair makes me look disreputable as hell |
| 18:39.22 | Dagmar | fuckign wrong channel |
| 18:39.22 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: really? cause i dont even have to scroll up to find it |
| 18:39.23 | Primer | bwahahaha |
| 18:39.25 | Dagmar | I may just shave my everything dec 1st |
| 18:39.33 | karl_w_w | then your chat history must cross some kind of inter-universe barrier because I'm not seeing it |
| 18:39.33 | jleclanche | you know |
| 18:39.34 | jleclanche | it was even from you. |
| 18:39.34 | jleclanche | [18:27:23] <karl_w_w> if it's so much worse why do devs keep making dx games |
| 18:39.34 | Mr_Rabies | linux is better for some people, but going into a command prompt should never be required in a modern operating system for regular use |
| 18:39.34 | nevcairiel | my point was anyway, while linux desktops may work for nerds and folks, its just not at feature parity or user-friendlyness for the average joe desktop user or gamer |
| 18:39.35 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: going in the cmdline on linux is as needed as going in the registry on windows |
| 18:39.35 | Mr_Rabies | so not at all? |
| 18:39.36 | jleclanche | nearly non-existant |
| 18:39.37 | Mr_Rabies | not in my experience |
| 18:39.38 | jleclanche | nor in mine, because i like the command line |
| 18:39.38 | jleclanche | (which unlike the registry, is not a POS) |
| 18:39.38 | jleclanche | but once again this comes down to the amount of users, and the target users |
| 18:39.40 | jleclanche | linux caters to its own devs first; if it had more users, it would have more user-centric apps |
| 18:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | the only version of linux i'd at all recommend to anyone not in the IT industry would be like, ubuntu |
| 18:39.41 | jleclanche | more apps that dont require tweaks on the cmdline |
| 18:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | and even that's too far gone to really be usable 24/7/365 |
| 18:39.41 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: You make it sound like the command prompt is a bad thing |
| 18:39.42 | Mr_Rabies | it is |
| 18:39.42 | Primer | For file ops, I prefer nothing less |
| 18:39.42 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: but until it has more user friendly apps, its not going to get more users |
| 18:39.42 | karl_w_w | so you're saying linux would be the best OS for those people, if those people used it |
| 18:39.42 | Mr_Rabies | sure |
| 18:39.42 | jleclanche | Primer: lets not get into that |
| 18:39.42 | Mr_Rabies | it's good for preference |
| 18:39.42 | Mr_Rabies | if you like it, use it |
| 18:39.43 | kd3 | huh. that's twice I've had an amber alert go off on my phone today |
| 18:39.43 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: Linux is greater than the sum of its parts |
| 18:39.43 | Mr_Rabies | but it shouldn't be required when installing programs, running programs, tweaking basic settings, etc |
| 18:39.43 | Primer | jleclanche: Why not? |
| 18:39.44 | Dagmar | kd3: Cyanogenmod lets you turn those things off |
| 18:39.46 | Primer | I find graphical file manager clumsy |
| 18:39.46 | jleclanche | Primer: because some people prefer gui, some people prefer cli, and arguing over which is better is a waste of time |
| 18:39.46 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: users dont believe in ideology, only freetards do |
| 18:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | 99% of people out there prefer gui |
| 18:39.47 | Primer | jleclanche: well, we could do a test... |
| 18:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | the only people that don't write their own programs on a regular basis |
| 18:39.47 | Primer | jleclanche: say, who can do things more quickly? Surely that's objective |
| 18:39.47 | Dagmar | jleclanche: Mainly because the CLI people can just turn off the internets for the GUI people, and there won't be shit they can do about it |
| 18:39.48 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: this bullshit over the past 10 mins screams freetard, and not in the way you mean. |
| 18:39.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not afraid to go into a command prompt, terminal, or whatever |
| 18:39.49 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't know anyone outside of my friends at work that i could say the same about |
| 18:39.49 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: Im mainly angry and people who truly think that theres more dev on Windows because it's a better platform |
| 18:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | and 100% of those that are scared to go into a command prompt should be |
| 18:39.50 | jleclanche | how can you think that and even be able to use IRC, I dont understand. |
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| 18:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | windows is a better platform for regular people, jleclanche |
| 18:39.52 | nevcairiel | there is more dev on windows because there is more users on windows |
| 18:40.00 | Mr_Rabies | what operating system do your parents use? |
| 18:40.01 | kd3 | and there's #3. grr |
| 18:40.11 | nevcairiel | however, i still wouldnt subscribe to the general idea that linux is universally better at everything |
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| 18:40.25 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: my mom uses Linux, my dad uses OSX, they're both tech illiterate |
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| 18:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | what version of linux does your mom use? |
| 18:40.46 | jleclanche | and i never have to do tech support for either of them because all they both use is a fucking browser |
| 18:40.47 | jleclanche | Mint |
| 18:41.17 | jleclanche | heres the thing, these two lines show the problem pretty well |
| 18:41.19 | jleclanche | [18:39:38] <Mr_Rabies> windows is a better platform for regular people, jleclanche |
| 18:41.19 | jleclanche | [18:39:50] <nevcairiel> there is more dev on windows because there is more users on windows |
| 18:41.47 | karl_w_w | where's the problem? |
| 18:41.51 | jleclanche | both these statements are true, and im not disagreeing with them |
| 18:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | they don't ever want to transfer their itunes purchases or watch blu rays or install a printer from 2004? |
| 18:42.17 | jleclanche | but the fact there are more users on windows is the very reason windows is a "better platform for most" |
| 18:42.33 | Dagmar | By this logic, ghetto whores are the best choices for sex. |
| 18:42.34 | nevcairiel | of course, the dominant platform gets all the shiny things |
| 18:42.34 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: A printer from 2004 is more likely to work on Linux than windows |
| 18:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | because from my experience, those are pretty commonly asked of me at work, and the hoops required for most of them are too great |
| 18:42.42 | jleclanche | Primer: idd |
| 18:42.48 | Mr_Rabies | what, no, primar |
| 18:42.51 | Primer | yes |
| 18:42.54 | jleclanche | yeah hes absolutely right |
| 18:42.56 | jleclanche | seriously |
| 18:43.07 | Mr_Rabies | most printers from that era are literally plug and play |
| 18:43.12 | Mr_Rabies | in windows |
| 18:43.19 | Primer | ok, s/printer/camera/ |
| 18:43.19 | nevcairiel | while thats probably true, a brand new printer fresh out of the factory is more likely to work on windows instead :p |
| 18:43.22 | jleclanche | my mom has three printers in her house, because two of them don't work with windows and she had to buy more to satisfy the "needs" of one of her students' windows laptop |
| 18:43.25 | Mr_Rabies | like, plug it in, print within a minute |
| 18:43.41 | Dagmar | Stop buying shitty printers that don't support PCL6 or PostScript |
| 18:43.43 | Primer | While the diver that worked for XP could just as easily work for 7, or 7 to 8, guess what? |
| 18:43.50 | Mr_Rabies | lol, bullshit that they don't work in windows |
| 18:43.51 | Primer | THEY WANT YOU TO BUY A NEW CAMERA. |
| 18:44.16 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: wtf do you want me to do, get you her diary? |
| 18:44.17 | kd3 | I'd prefer to use printer drivers that don't eat up several hundred megs of space, you know? |
| 18:44.29 | Dagmar | I just want the fucking printer to make paper happen |
| 18:44.37 | nevcairiel | my father has a printer where the default driver makes windows 7 x64 fail, had to dig through the 'net for an hour to find another one |
| 18:44.41 | karl_w_w | cos those megs are in short supply |
| 18:44.47 | Mr_Rabies | agreed, 100%, kd3, but i do like SOME bundled print software |
| 18:44.51 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: all her printers have always worked out of the box on Linux because when i set up her computer, i set up printer drivers too |
| 18:44.52 | Mr_Rabies | so i guess not 100% :p |
| 18:44.59 | Seerah | Did I miss something that's causing all this rage? |
| 18:44.59 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: and guess what |
| 18:45.02 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: in that picture, I'm the OEM |
| 18:45.04 | kd3 | it's a holy war |
| 18:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | but some bundled print software is pretty neat and hard to find alternatives for |
| 18:45.08 | kd3 | what else is new? |
| 18:45.14 | jleclanche | DIE HEATHEN |
| 18:45.52 | Seerah | coke > pepsi |
| 18:45.56 | Seerah | cake > pie |
| 18:45.59 | Primer | The problem with trying things like getting your wife/mom/non-tech-savvy-relative to use Linux is the lack of software |
| 18:46.09 | nevcairiel | Seerah is sending mixed signals |
| 18:46.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm trying to get jleclanche to froth up and become a delicious omlette at any moment |
| 18:46.14 | Unkle | Seerah: Shirik asked about buying a Mac Book ... and ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE. |
| 18:46.20 | Primer | I tried to get my wife to use Linux |
| 18:46.23 | Seerah | Primer: hey - how come you were listing females? :p |
| 18:46.42 | karl_w_w | we have all concluded that windows is the best OS for the average person |
| 18:46.46 | Primer | but then she needed "turbo lister", something that lists ebay auctions |
| 18:46.47 | jleclanche | Seerah: you're the one assuming "non-tech-savvy-relative" is female |
| 18:46.51 | jleclanche | Seerah: look who's sexist now. |
| 18:46.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:47.02 | Primer | Seerah: because in my life, my wife is the non-tech-savvy person |
| 18:47.18 | karl_w_w | we should reverse time and get back to what we were talking about |
| 18:47.19 | Seerah | jleclanche: I was just poking him |
| 18:47.32 | jleclanche | Seerah: too late. you're a sexist! |
| 18:47.32 | Primer | My mom simply refuses to even try a computer |
| 18:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | SO HOW 'BOUT THOSE GARRISONS |
| 18:47.48 | Primer | I see no garrison... |
| 18:47.59 | nevcairiel | while we're engaging in the holy war, if i need to get a cheap way to build and debug some mac software, what do i buy? a mac mini? |
| 18:48.02 | Mr_Rabies | my dad's pretty much the same way, Primer, the first time he even attempted to use a computer was 2012 |
| 18:48.07 | Seerah | http://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/blog_header/HJSBQ14TU5E51383774635131.jpg |
| 18:48.09 | Primer | heads out to Sunsong Ranch |
| 18:48.26 | Mr_Rabies | mac mini seems like a pretty good solution, nevcairiel |
| 18:48.48 | Mr_Rabies | they're reasonably powerful and surprisingly affordable for apple hardware |
| 18:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | especially if you're buying used :p |
| 18:48.57 | Unkle | nevcairiel: If you can buy used, ebay a used mac book |
| 18:49.04 | nevcairiel | i suppose i could also try to VM the thing, but last time i tried that was incredibly slow |
| 18:49.14 | karl_w_w | remember, then Mr_Rabies said wow can't be that bad and jleclanche made some crazy hyperbolic comparison to windows? |
| 18:50.00 | jleclanche | i made a crazy hyperbolic comparison to malaria |
| 18:50.04 | jleclanche | i thought it was pretty fitting and on-point |
| 18:50.12 | jleclanche | but then you guys tried to make it pass as if windows is a half decent OS |
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| 18:50.25 | karl_w_w | malaria is the best thing ever because so many people have it? |
| 18:50.25 | Seerah | now... if malaria were running rampant, that would be worth raging over, imo ;) |
| 18:50.50 | karl_w_w | windows is simply better than any other OS, for most people |
| 18:50.52 | Unkle | We're all trying to make out like our OS of choice doesn't suck donkey balls considering how many decades have gone into them. |
| 18:50.57 | karl_w_w | hence why lots of people use it |
| 18:51.02 | karl_w_w | similar to wow |
| 18:51.04 | Primer | we can always turn this into an immunization rant |
| 18:51.12 | Primer | FUCKING JENNY MCCARTHY THAT BITCH! |
| 18:51.27 | Lopeppeppy | DAMN HER TO EVERLASTING HELL! |
| 18:51.28 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: that goes against what you yourself said. just because something has more users doesnt make it better, or doesnt mean it's better |
| 18:51.36 | jleclanche | it just means it's more widely known |
| 18:51.42 | jleclanche | usage leads to usage |
| 18:51.43 | Primer | SHE GAVE ME SMALLPOX! |
| 18:52.03 | karl_w_w | i didnt say more users = better |
| 18:52.09 | karl_w_w | i said more users because better |
| 18:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* I wanted the smallpox. |
| 18:52.36 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: you cannot in any reasonable universe pretend you know that |
| 18:52.45 | jleclanche | karl_w_w: there are so many factors at play it's not even funny |
| 18:52.45 | Seerah | more users = more support = more resources to learn it = more friends who know it = etc. |
| 18:52.53 | Seerah | which leads to more users |
| 18:52.55 | jleclanche | Seerah: which leads to more users |
| 18:53.03 | Mr_Rabies | which to me, means better in the end |
| 18:53.05 | Seerah | jinx |
| 18:53.06 | Primer | I was once a Linux zealot. I would run nothing else. But then, I also really liked video games... |
| 18:53.10 | Primer | and wine just doesn't cut it |
| 18:53.11 | Primer | There was a time when I did run all my games under wine. And those that I could not run under wine, I just didn't play |
| 18:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | theoretically better and actually better are two entirely different things |
| 18:53.13 | Primer | But there is a sizable performance penalty |
| 18:53.22 | Mr_Rabies | if as many people used linux as they did windows, perhaps it'd be better |
| 18:53.32 | Primer | But let's be honest here. The only reason why windows has more users is marketing. |
| 18:53.38 | jleclanche | here we are |
| 18:53.38 | Primer | bottom line |
| 18:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | but that's not happening anytime soon since so few distros give half a damn about grandma using it |
| 18:54.01 | Primer | that and a single consistent interface |
| 18:54.04 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: you're wrong |
| 18:54.10 | karl_w_w | those steps in between "more users =" and "which leads to more users" is what makes windows better |
| 18:54.17 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: people give a damn about grandma using it, they just dont have the resources |
| 18:54.26 | nevcairiel | Primer: maybe there was a point when that was true, but the marketing boat has sailed, these days linux just has catchup to do to win enough users |
| 18:54.38 | Primer | When you have gnome3 people STRIPPING features from Gtk because it doesn't fit their "brand", then you know something's wrong |
| 18:54.43 | jleclanche | theres plenty of projects out there that are significant improvements to linux, but they are not funded, so they are slow |
| 18:54.57 | Mr_Rabies | resources are pretty important when it comes to everything |
| 18:55.11 | Primer | nevcairiel: While I would love to agree with you, I just can't |
| 18:55.11 | Mr_Rabies | lack of resources is pretty much the #1 reason why any war has been lost |
| 18:55.17 | jleclanche | if you gave €600 000 to LXDE I could shit you an amazing OS within a year |
| 18:55.18 | karl_w_w | but we aren't talking about what could be better. most people don't choose their OS on what could be better |
| 18:55.21 | Primer | because Linux distros are still fragmented |
| 18:55.31 | Unkle | Microsoft had the advantage of being in on the ground floor and building up a big goddamned pile of money |
| 18:55.40 | Primer | And what works for one, doesn't work for another |
| 18:55.42 | nevcairiel | the whole linux distribution model is flawed if you ask me |
| 18:55.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad GabeN's working on making linux better, but it's still got a while to go |
| 18:55.47 | Primer | deb vs. rpm, gnome vs. kde, etc. |
| 18:55.55 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: it really doesn't |
| 18:55.57 | jleclanche | i mean |
| 18:56.05 | jleclanche | people dont understand how far linux has come |
| 18:56.06 | Mr_Rabies | Gabe's attempts are linux's only real chance at greatness for the coming future |
| 18:56.19 | Primer | nevcairiel: You make it sound like "linux distribution model" is actually a thing |
| 18:56.20 | jleclanche | as long as they don't see 96% market share on linux they yell "lol year of the linux desktop lol" |
| 18:56.30 | nevcairiel | I think its rather terrible that all applications are tied to some "release" of your OS, so if you want a newer version of some app, you have to update your whole system |
| 18:56.41 | nevcairiel | admittedly not all distributions are like that |
| 18:56.44 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: that is something being worked on |
| 18:56.46 | nevcairiel | but the user-friendly ones are |
| 18:56.48 | jleclanche | the tech is there |
| 18:56.55 | Ermad | how far has linux come? using it now doesn't feel substantially different than using it 8 years ago. |
| 18:57.05 | jleclanche | Ermad: it is incredibly different |
| 18:57.09 | Primer | nevcairiel: as opposed to having to maintain backward compatibility to the beginning of time? I'll take the former, thank you |
| 18:57.15 | Ermad | I am asking in what is it different |
| 18:57.19 | Ermad | it doesnt feel different to me |
| 18:57.25 | jleclanche | Ermad: i am asking you to read what i just wrote |
| 18:57.30 | Unkle | But it is significantly different than it was in 1997 - 2000 |
| 18:57.31 | kd3 | it is a lot better than it was 8 years ago. many more things Just Work now |
| 18:57.38 | jleclanche | kd3: not just that |
| 18:57.39 | kd3 | has been using linux since 2003 |
| 18:57.46 | Primer | since 1995 |
| 18:57.56 | Primer | yes, I remember kernel 1.2 |
| 18:58.04 | Primer | and patch my kernel to support vfat |
| 18:58.11 | Primer | and getting SMP |
| 18:58.12 | jleclanche | between docker/kdbus/intents/portals, we have a system which supports the android distribution model |
| 18:58.31 | Mr_Rabies | you need pretty significant market share for your product to really be viable |
| 18:58.37 | jleclanche | no |
| 18:58.43 | Primer | mind share |
| 18:58.45 | jleclanche | android had zero market share and it was viable from the start |
| 18:58.45 | Primer | not market |
| 18:58.48 | Mr_Rabies | OSX has okay marketshare and it's still not really viable |
| 18:58.53 | Ermad | mac doesnt havent that large of a market share, but it is extremely viable |
| 18:58.54 | Mr_Rabies | for most businesses |
| 18:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much has to be a closed OSX loop to really be viable |
| 18:59.26 | jleclanche | thats so different to the closed microsoft bs. you find everywhere |
| 18:59.44 | Mr_Rabies | ah, but closed microsoft loops are far more common and programs are way more likely to interconnect as a result |
| 18:59.52 | nevcairiel | OSX is only viable if you are in a certain industry where all the tools are OSX apps anyway |
| 18:59.53 | Mr_Rabies | due to their marketshare |
| 19:00.22 | nevcairiel | for business, anyway |
| 19:00.53 | Ermad | assumed we were talking about computers for personal use |
| 19:02.11 | nevcairiel | OSX is absolutely not viable for me for personal use, but the requirements are very specific for every person. The usual "i use the interwebs"-personal use you can do with any OS these days :p |
| 19:03.05 | jleclanche | thats really it though |
| 19:03.17 | jleclanche | you give a laptop to grandma shes gonna facebook with it and thats it |
| 19:03.25 | jleclanche | there is no issue giving her linux mint on it |
| 19:03.46 | jleclanche | seriously, how many times is she gonna open msoffice when google docs can do the job? |
| 19:04.04 | jleclanche | the whole "90% of users" bs figure is way off |
| 19:04.15 | Primer | jleclanche: that's chromebook right there |
| 19:04.33 | Mr_Rabies | my chromebook is kind of a mess, but i hear they're better now |
| 19:04.44 | jleclanche | a huge chunk of non-technical people are fine with a shitty laptop with linux on it, next to their android phone or tablet |
| 19:04.44 | Mr_Rabies | i got one of the cr-48s from google and it's barely functional |
| 19:04.59 | nevcairiel | was that the first gen? |
| 19:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | i certainly wouldn't pay for it |
| 19:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 19:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 19:05.08 | Mr_Rabies | pre-first gen, sorta |
| 19:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | the trial run |
| 19:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | before they were buyable |
| 19:05.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's nice and pretty solid feeling hardware wise |
| 19:05.33 | jleclanche | another less large chunk of people are using their PC for gaming, and gaming on linux is already starting to be big |
| 19:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | but i think chromeOS is an operating system in search of a market that doesn't exist |
| 19:05.48 | foxlit | ipad with thunderbolt output will clearly kill everything. |
| 19:05.53 | jleclanche | and the remainder are more or less technical people, the kind that would have no problem dropping to the command line even if they dont really know it well |
| 19:06.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm honestly really glad linux is gaining steam (lol) in the gaming department |
| 19:06.38 | jleclanche | the only blocker for "the year of the linux desktop" or however you like putting that strawberry is gaming |
| 19:06.40 | Mr_Rabies | gabe's got a real chance at giving it real viability |
| 19:06.42 | TC-Work | ~lart Mr_Rabies |
| 19:06.42 | purl | executes killall -KILL Mr_Rabies |
| 19:06.51 | jleclanche | and once you understand that, you understand how far linux has come |
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| 19:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | with ubiquity comes ubiquity, as a feedback loop |
| 19:07.00 | jleclanche | incidentally, linux has come that far thanks to Apple |
| 19:07.30 | jleclanche | gamers are a huge reason why there are PCs still in the house when you could just have a tablet |
| 19:07.41 | Mr_Rabies | what makes windows so much better, regardless of features in a vacuum, is that it's good because everyone uses it because it's good because everyone uses it because it's good because everyone uses it |
| 19:07.44 | Mr_Rabies | forever and ever |
| 19:07.59 | jleclanche | if gaming on linux becomes a thing, and it really looks like it will *soon* be a thing, thats a LOT of new users on Linux |
| 19:08.02 | Mr_Rabies | if the same were true of linux, it would be in the same boat |
| 19:08.06 | jleclanche | new users on Linux means more money |
| 19:08.08 | TC-Work | No, even if I did not game, I would have a PC as opposed to a tablet. |
| 19:08.09 | jleclanche | more money, more funding |
| 19:08.23 | jleclanche | more funding, better GUIs to all the AMAZING tech we have out there in the linux world |
| 19:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | i want linux to really be a viable competitor to windows |
| 19:08.39 | nevcairiel | how does me using linux bring money to linux? |
| 19:08.48 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you're a pair of eyeballs |
| 19:08.50 | Mr_Rabies | so that windows will stop doing weird shit like windows 8 (though 8.1 is a massive improvement) |
| 19:09.12 | Mr_Rabies | OSX will never be a true competitior because of the hardware bundle requirement |
| 19:09.33 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you have money which can go in a company's pocket, so the company will try to target you. the more of you there are, the higher the spending for that target can be in order to get good ROI |
| 19:09.38 | TC-Work | I'm not sure I would ever use linx at home instead of windows. I love linux at work in an IT role, but I dont use any of the same stuff at home. |
| 19:10.12 | nevcairiel | I use both at home, but my primary desktop is still windows, and i dont see that changing anytime soon |
| 19:10.36 | jleclanche | ok, serious moment |
| 19:10.37 | jleclanche | why not? |
| 19:10.41 | Unkle | I'm actually considering a linux box at home... to do server stuff like host my sites and SMTP. |
| 19:10.41 | jleclanche | what's so farfetched? |
| 19:10.46 | JTF195 | 8.1 has been a massive improvement in UI design, but there are a few small, but very irritating bugs, like the random mouse issues, and the RTC bug |
| 19:11.00 | nevcairiel | My job is developing windows software :P |
| 19:11.16 | nevcairiel | also, visual studio > anything linux has to offer |
| 19:11.23 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: so in the picture i just described, you're out of a job |
| 19:11.23 | jleclanche | nice |
| 19:11.29 | TC-Work | I guess it depends on the flavor of linux. The current linux os I use is GUI wise subpar to windows. |
| 19:12.11 | nevcairiel | we have a linux and a mac port under development, but that doesnt change that the primary version is still windows, and the IDE i use has no viable replacement on linux |
| 19:12.31 | jleclanche | of course it does |
| 19:12.43 | nevcairiel | not to mention that the video and audio systems in linux still are lacking, badly |
| 19:12.47 | nevcairiel | name one |
| 19:12.50 | jleclanche | kdevelop |
| 19:12.57 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 19:13.12 | jleclanche | nope, because.. ? |
| 19:13.16 | nevcairiel | it sucks |
| 19:13.20 | jleclanche | it sucks, because... ? |
| 19:13.33 | nevcairiel | have you used visual studio recently? |
| 19:13.39 | jleclanche | have you used kdevelop recently? |
| 19:13.44 | nevcairiel | yes, actually |
| 19:13.49 | TC-Work | How does intellij IDEA compare to VS? |
| 19:13.57 | jleclanche | you are giving me zero argumentation here. |
| 19:14.02 | nevcairiel | so are you |
| 19:14.08 | Semlar | so cathartic |
| 19:14.12 | jleclanche | I'm not the one who's trying to prove something |
| 19:14.17 | nevcairiel | yes you are |
| 19:14.19 | jleclanche | you're asserting VS > anything |
| 19:14.36 | nevcairiel | I dont have to prove that |
| 19:14.42 | jleclanche | all I'm asserting is you're going to be out of a job within five years and I've given really good reasons for that |
| 19:14.49 | nevcairiel | its my reason not to use linux, well one of them |
| 19:14.52 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 19:14.54 | Neffi | You're asserting that's an objective claim by saying he has to prove himself. It's not. |
| 19:15.12 | Neffi | If he's not happy with any *nix replacement to it, then for him, it's the best |
| 19:15.24 | nevcairiel | And your scenario will never happen |
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| 19:15.50 | jleclanche | Neffi: he doesn't have to prove himself, I'm giving him a chance to make me think that he has decent arguments that windows > linux other than "it's what I use" |
| 19:15.53 | Primer | Speaking of games, did anyone here buy the Origin humble bundle and is not planning on using their Battlefield 3 key? |
| 19:16.01 | jleclanche | Primer: yes, want it? |
| 19:16.09 | Neffi | He doesn't seem to be claiming otherwise |
| 19:16.15 | Primer | jleclanche: my son would be very grateful |
| 19:16.19 | Neffi | Other than that the audio/video systems suck, which they do |
| 19:16.21 | nevcairiel | I didnt say windows > linux, i said VS > kdevelop/eclipse/intellij/whathaveyou |
| 19:16.23 | jleclanche | on origin i take it? |
| 19:16.27 | Primer | aye |
| 19:16.31 | jleclanche | sec |
| 19:16.42 | Primer | he really wanted BF4, but he also wanted me to pay for it |
| 19:16.46 | Primer | I declined |
| 19:17.33 | jleclanche | but tell him he has to yell "FUCK ORIGIN!!1" in every chatroom he finds |
| 19:17.41 | Neffi | lol |
| 19:20.01 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: on another serious note, why don't you think any of those scenarios plausible? |
| 19:20.27 | nevcairiel | what you said, linux lacks the resources |
| 19:22.12 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: i offered an, i thought, convincing argument as to why linux is *getting* said resources soon |
| 19:22.37 | kd3 | mmm, popcorn |
| 19:24.14 | nevcairiel | what incentive do people really have to switch? just because games suddenly work on linux doesnt mean gamers will all convert |
| 19:25.07 | JTF195 | suppose valve suddenly says "ok, now that steamOS is out, we're dropping support for windows" |
| 19:25.13 | Semlar | lol |
| 19:25.22 | nevcairiel | as if |
| 19:25.23 | Neffi | SEMLAR |
| 19:25.26 | Semlar | i like that business model |
| 19:25.32 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: you dont need people to switch |
| 19:25.37 | jleclanche | you need the potential to be there |
| 19:26.01 | nevcairiel | potential is just that, potential. If its not used, its also not going to attract money |
| 19:26.11 | nevcairiel | there is many wasted potential in the world |
| 19:26.55 | Semlar | neffi |
| 19:27.06 | Neffi | hai |
| 19:27.17 | Semlar | how come nameplates are so dumb |
| 19:27.41 | Neffi | bcuz |
| 19:27.48 | Semlar | is it your fault |
| 19:27.48 | nevcairiel | linux marketshare will certainly grow a bit once the gaming market on it will expand, and GPU vendors will finally stop producing messy linux drivers, but it will not overtake windows so easily |
| 19:27.50 | Neffi | it is |
| 19:27.55 | Semlar | y u do dis |
| 19:27.56 | Neffi | i did it to slight you |
| 19:28.08 | JTF195 | if linux had the potential to disrupt the windows world, google would be dumping money into it |
| 19:28.19 | Primer | heh |
| 19:28.40 | nevcairiel | not sure google really cares that much what happens on your desktop pc, as long as you run chrome |
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| 19:28.47 | nevcairiel | not yet anyway |
| 19:28.49 | Primer | you forgot to put the word "desktop" in there |
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| 19:29.08 | Primer | because Linux already disrupted the windows server world |
| 19:29.27 | Primer | as well as the windows phone world |
| 19:29.38 | nevcairiel | was it really disrupt as such? I always felt they kinda coexisted from the get-go |
| 19:29.59 | JTF195 | in both cases, i think it's more a case of microsoft failing to disrupt the established *nix base |
| 19:30.31 | Primer | surely MS would love to own those 2 markets |
| 19:30.31 | Primer | I wouldn't use the word "co-exist" either |
| 19:30.37 | nevcairiel | windows phone existed long before we had linux on phones, but back then windows phone (or windows ce) just sucked :p |
| 19:30.56 | nevcairiel | stupid pdas |
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| 19:31.17 | nevcairiel | you didnt even call them phone back then! |
| 19:31.32 | JTF195 | i've had windows mobile 6.0 and 6.5 devices, and i've had windows phone 7.0, 7.8, and 8.0 devices |
| 19:31.48 | JTF195 | and i wouldn't even put them in the same category |
| 19:32.08 | nevcairiel | it was still some kind of phone with some kind of windows on it :D |
| 19:32.14 | nevcairiel | but yeah it changed drastically |
| 19:32.34 | Dagmar | "I'm sorry. You are mistaken. This phone runs Windows Mobile. It is categorically not a 'smart' phone." |
| 19:32.48 | JTF195 | hence the rebranding, and the strong desire to differentiate itself from its ancestors |
| 19:33.41 | JTF195 | Windows Phone 7.X and 8.0 are pretty fantastic compared to windows mobile 6.X |
| 19:35.25 | Lopeppeppy | la la la la la la la! |
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| 20:35.43 | kd3|hate`net | grr... mostly sub-ms pings to the router, then occasionally a 300ms spike |
| 20:36.41 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: I dont |
| 20:36.56 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ive always been on keyboards. i will eventually buy a good joystick for SC though |
| 20:37.17 | jleclanche | the dogfighting alpha will let me give it a shot |
| 20:37.21 | TC-Work | Depends on the game. Most are fine with K/M but some like X-3 really kinda needed one. |
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| 20:56.21 | Semlar | neffi there is a small problem with toggling the plates on and off to click through them |
| 20:56.37 | Neffi | I could've told you there would be |
| 20:56.42 | Semlar | it makes it basically impossible to track the guids |
| 20:56.49 | Neffi | aye |
| 20:57.10 | Semlar | all the plates get shuffled around every time |
| 20:58.11 | Semlar | also the tooltip is going to give me a seizure |
| 20:58.39 | Neffi | oh, right |
| 20:58.42 | Neffi | that's a problem isn't it |
| 20:58.57 | Semlar | it switches between the unit and what's behind it |
| 20:59.15 | Semlar | a lot |
| 20:59.59 | Neffi | I would give up on trying to make them click-through |
| 21:00.04 | Semlar | NO |
| 21:00.06 | Neffi | It's not gonna work as well as you want |
| 21:00.13 | Neffi | It's intentionally limited to NOT work |
| 21:00.14 | Torhal | clicks through Semlar. |
| 21:00.18 | TC-Work | http://kotaku.com/fable-re-rated-because-sex-is-a-reward-1464793921 Oh Ausies |
| 21:00.23 | Semlar | it's not very effective |
| 21:02.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.35 | Semlar | dis is so bad |
| 21:04.06 | Torhal | Semlar: Why are you even initializing PreviousWorldChildren? |
| 21:04.30 | Semlar | probably left over |
| 21:04.52 | Torhal | gets stabby. |
| 21:04.56 | Semlar | :l |
| 21:05.49 | Semlar | no it's to prevent it from checking for new nameplates if there aren't any |
| 21:06.40 | Neffi | You still iterate over every single worldframe child |
| 21:06.56 | Stanzilla | you have to? |
| 21:07.59 | Neffi | Use this to scan for and skin nameplates http://pastebin.com/ura4MsRW |
| 21:08.05 | Neffi | Stanzilla: See above |
| 21:08.12 | Neffi | It only ever iterates over NEW children |
| 21:08.56 | Neffi | timer_register(0,...) registers a timer with the lowest possible frequency allowed by my lib, which is IIRC 20 times per sec |
| 21:08.59 | Semlar | but.. you call select for every frame.. |
| 21:09.46 | Neffi | That's not a problem, since it barely ever fires |
| 21:09.53 | Neffi | It only fires when WorldFrame has a new child |
| 21:10.10 | JTF195 | speaking of nameplates. anyone have any idea why the blizzard default nameplate frames return nil for <blizzPlate>:GetDepth() and <blizzPlate>:GetEffectiveDepth() ? |
| 21:10.38 | jleclanche | Neffi: you shoulda pinged me :P |
| 21:10.42 | Neffi | Also Semlar, you're throwing away a table and making callouts to ipairs just as often |
| 21:10.54 | Semlar | it produces garbage but it's probably faster |
| 21:10.56 | Neffi | Mine is more efficient than yours, by a lot |
| 21:11.11 | Torhal | efficiently garbage-collects Stanzilla for Semlar. |
| 21:11.20 | Neffi | Because it stores the previous amount returned by WorldFrame:GetNumChildren, and then only iterates between THAT+1 and the new amount of children |
| 21:11.21 | Stanzilla | this emote madness lately Torhal |
| 21:11.22 | Stanzilla | INSANE |
| 21:11.31 | Neffi | jleclanche: I'll hop back on soonish |
| 21:11.40 | jleclanche | Neffi: ping me before; theres no spawn point |
| 21:11.48 | Semlar | neffi how would this work if worldframe lost children |
| 21:11.53 | Torhal | Why so mean, Stanzilla? |
| 21:12.18 | Neffi | Semlar: wow, you caught that bug that I couldn't figure out |
| 21:12.29 | Neffi | hmm |
| 21:12.47 | Semlar | you'll have to account for other people parenting things to worldframe |
| 21:13.20 | Neffi | If I get back into the game, I'll have to recode that |
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| 21:13.33 | Neffi | Which I'm contemplating doing |
| 21:14.52 | Unkle | Why no whiskey, Torhal? |
| 21:15.34 | Neffi | Since frames can't GC, I wonder if it wouldn't be more efficient to loop through EnumerateFrames from the last known position, on a timer |
| 21:15.45 | Torhal | Unkle: I'm at the office. |
| 21:15.51 | Neffi | That would be more efficient IF my addons didn't tends to create a large amount of frames often |
| 21:15.55 | Torhal | Though I did have two "high gravity" beers at lunch. |
| 21:15.58 | Neffi | Which most shouldn't |
| 21:16.20 | Stanzilla | Torhal: that was quite polite! |
| 21:16.30 | Torhal | Stanzilla: What was? |
| 21:16.50 | Unkle | Torhal: mmmmm... boozmahol for lunch |
| 21:17.04 | Stanzilla | Torhal: me, always. |
| 21:17.32 | Torhal | Heh |
| 21:23.56 | Kaelten | Torhal: I'm not in the office |
| 21:24.21 | Torhal | Kaelten: So I take it you're having a Tequila meditation session? |
| 21:25.01 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.11 | Kaelten | well I was doing metatable programming last night so it seemed requisite |
| 21:25.31 | Torhal | Kaelten: Madman. |
| 21:25.42 | Kaelten | too bad I'm not a madman with a box |
| 21:25.59 | Torhal | Kaelten: Speaking of which, did you see the prequel to the 50th Anniversary? |
| 21:26.07 | Neffi | Semlar: your torment is like candy to me |
| 21:27.02 | Unkle | http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/11/doctor-who-making-sense-of-the-night-of-the-doctor/ |
| 21:27.59 | Kaelten | Torhal: nope please link |
| 21:28.06 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 21:28.11 | Torhal | Kaelten: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U3jrS-uhuo |
| 21:28.23 | Torhal | 20 seconds in, I almost shit bricks. |
| 21:28.57 | Unkle | Not the one you were expecting? |
| 21:29.02 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 21:29.11 | Kaelten | That's awesome |
| 21:29.16 | Torhal | Yus, |
| 21:29.25 | Kaelten | I'm so glad they're addressing it even if it's a little briefly |
| 21:30.50 | Semlar | neffi think of a way to not have the tooltip spaz out |
| 21:31.33 | Semlar | frankly i'm surprised it does since it's not possible to click on the nameplate |
| 21:32.26 | Semlar | you can't click on it but it sure thinks you're mousing over it |
| 21:33.47 | Semlar | would it be a bad idea to hook the tooltip |
| 21:34.38 | Neffi | yes |
| 21:34.59 | Semlar | are you sure |
| 21:35.20 | Semlar | maybe two wrongs do make a right |
| 21:36.58 | Semlar | i have no idea if i can even prevent the tooltip from being populated, it might be C side |
| 21:37.00 | Kaelten | Torhal: that was pretty cool. |
| 21:37.15 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure it is C-side |
| 21:37.37 | Neffi | You could un-populate it, or set it back to its former state, before it's drawn |
| 21:38.16 | Semlar | i was thinking i could keep track of what it contained before and just fill it every time |
| 21:38.52 | Semlar | i'd need to keep track of its anchors and offsets and what not |
| 21:38.54 | Neffi | that's what I meant with the last thing I said |
| 21:39.50 | Neffi | you don't have to SELL your body to the night ! |
| 21:40.05 | Semlar | but how will i eat |
| 21:40.45 | Neffi | I know my mind is made up, so put away your make up |
| 21:40.55 | Semlar | no |
| 21:41.02 | Neffi | I WONT SHARE YOU WITH ANOTHER BOY |
| 21:41.36 | Semlar | the other issue is the frame levels are going to be really hard to keep track of |
| 21:42.20 | Neffi | I haven't had caffeine in like 48 hours. I can't really come up with any solution to anything right now |
| 21:43.01 | Semlar | it's not that i want to do this but i haven't come up with any other way to show nameplates and still be able to click what's behind them |
| 21:43.21 | Neffi | No tricks for resizing worked, right? |
| 21:43.35 | Semlar | they went back to their original size every time they were shown |
| 21:43.41 | Semlar | so i couldn't do it in combat |
| 21:43.46 | Semlar | it works out of combat though |
| 21:45.04 | Semlar | i only have to do the shuffling if i'm actually hovering over one of the nameplates, so it doesn't have to do this all the time |
| 21:46.21 | TC-Work | Neffi: Damn you for getting that song stuck in my head |
| 21:46.30 | Neffi | ;D |
| 21:46.47 | Neffi | Once it gets in my head, I have to spread the love. It's an obligation. |
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| 21:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | aw man what |
| 21:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | am i limited to 12 equipment sets? :( |
| 21:55.29 | Mr_Rabies | er 11 |
| 21:58.25 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/FeYn6Hf.jpg <- a new break in the story |
| 21:58.25 | kd3 | anyone know off hand whether math.random() calls secure random in 5.4.2? or just the random() alias? |
| 22:02.30 | Neffi | Canadians: http://i.imgur.com/QdBy2rV.png |
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| 22:13.46 | Arrowmaster | kd3: when i was talking to jacob he mentioned they were just going to replace math.random() since the entire math table is imported into the secure env |
| 22:13.58 | kd3 | kk |
| 22:14.04 | Arrowmaster | i cant verify |
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| 22:18.56 | jleclanche | Neffi: ya coming? |
| 22:19.08 | jleclanche | also Arrowmaster you should come too. i need more people on the minecraft server |
| 22:20.14 | Neffi | soon |
| 22:20.18 | Arrowmaster | wha? |
| 22:20.18 | Neffi | I'm looking through some stuff |
| 22:20.36 | Arrowmaster | i just got home |
| 22:20.56 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: i got an 1.7.2 surv norm friends-only minecraft server up and its lacking people =) |
| 22:21.25 | Arrowmaster | i dont even have minecraft installed |
| 22:21.37 | Amarande | I still need to install this SSD and set up windows again on it |
| 22:21.37 | Amarande | I just got home from best buy a short while ago and had to take the dog out for a walk |
| 22:21.41 | Amarande | oddly enough it wasn't crowded at all ... I guess the PS4 must have sold out early in the morning |
| 22:21.41 | Arrowmaster | i havent played it since alpha |
| 22:21.46 | Amarande | since I didn't even really see any PS4 stuff around either, which would be odd otherwise |
| 22:22.04 | jleclanche | Arrowmaster: seriously? |
| 22:22.11 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:22.12 | jleclanche | i was convinced you were on cograil a while back |
| 22:22.23 | Arrowmaster | back in alpha |
| 22:22.47 | jleclanche | you should install it again, it's gotten really good |
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| 22:23.46 | foxlit | "significantly slower", kd3? |
| 22:23.59 | Neffi | cograil's still going on |
| 22:24.09 | Neffi | I got my nice little base setup there |
| 22:24.09 | kd3 | that's my understanding of it from the ui dinner |
| 22:24.43 | foxlit | That's the kind of half-assed investigation that others will spout as divine truth in the future :) |
| 22:24.47 | jleclanche | Neffi: it is yes, but i had a solo game and people kept joining, so i just turned it into a serv |
| 22:24.57 | kd3 | lol |
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| 22:25.30 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:25.31 | Neffi | I was thinking of doing my own little server, but I don't think I'd get enough people to make it fun |
| 22:25.31 | Amarande | you mean minecraft is like diablo 2 and there's not much in the way of preventing people from joining your game uninvited? :) |
| 22:25.48 | Neffi | You have to give them the server address |
| 22:25.53 | Neffi | And you can blacklist or whitelist |
| 22:27.56 | Neffi | It'd really suck if random people could hop on servers |
| 22:30.59 | jleclanche | wow google |
| 22:31.03 | jleclanche | that is absolutely TERRIBLE |
| 22:31.06 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/i0qzfHg2Hgca |
| 22:31.45 | Neffi | do this: "grml" writable |
| 22:32.06 | jleclanche | ya i know |
| 22:32.09 | jleclanche | but thats still terrible |
| 22:32.27 | jleclanche | ill be fair, it does think its a typo |
| 22:32.33 | jleclanche | what with gr being next to ht |
| 22:32.34 | jleclanche | but still |
| 22:49.54 | Torhal | Kaelten: Aye, I definitely thought so. |
| 22:50.01 | Torhal | Answered a few things and gave closure. |
| 22:51.13 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lB-fyB87Y |
| 22:52.12 | Torhal | Ackis: Why is it that you regularly refuse to respond to direct conversation, but post evil shit like that? |
| 22:52.13 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:52.41 | Ackis | The last direct conversation I had from you involved tossing me on a peat fire which I chose not to acknowledge |
| 22:52.42 | Ackis | :P |
| 22:53.02 | Torhal | Ackis: I tossed you onto a peat fire because you refused to acknowledge all prior conversation. |
| 22:53.26 | Ackis | I had nothing insightful to say |
| 22:53.34 | Torhal | Bastitch! |
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| 22:56.12 | Amarande | heh |
| 22:56.40 | Amarande | Torhal, why do I find a picture of you in the dictionary under "acerbic"? :D |
| 22:56.52 | Ackis | hey Torhal I want you to be like my little toe. |
| 22:57.23 | Torhal | Amarande: Probably because I claimed the word. |
| 22:57.34 | Torhal | Ackis: You smash me, I revert back to 2009. |
| 22:57.35 | Torhal | :D |
| 22:58.07 | Ackis | Torhal: No, I just want to bang you on every piece of furniture in the house |
| 22:58.08 | Ackis | rawr |
| 22:58.20 | Torhal | Sorry, man; I don't swing that way. |
| 22:58.35 | Ackis | you keep saying that but you behaved so differently at blizzcon |
| 22:58.37 | kd3 | eh, someone else saw the 'best pickup lines' thread today |
| 22:58.45 | Torhal | Ackis: That was prencher. |
| 22:59.34 | Neffi | That pickup line only works if you're attractive, Ackis |
| 22:59.37 | Neffi | ;) |
| 22:59.38 | jleclanche | https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/f6qaxbqpcnzzdr/source/CONSTELLATION13hangaraft-Copy.jpg |
| 22:59.45 | jleclanche | i cant tell if this is rendered or drawn.. |
| 22:59.56 | Xuerian | It's sketched over |
| 23:00.21 | Arrowmaster | so yeah .... http://i.imgur.com/rJNl25a.jpg |
| 23:00.25 | fewyn | yeah they sketched over the model |
| 23:00.27 | Aeger73 | thats not in game |
| 23:00.34 | Aeger73 | i have that ship ion my hanger looks much better |
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| 23:00.36 | jleclanche | yeah ok |
| 23:00.37 | haste | nice screen you have Arrowmaster |
| 23:00.44 | Arrowmaster | not my screenshot |
| 23:00.45 | jleclanche | Aeger73: join #starcitizen |
| 23:00.49 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: SOP for Egosoft launches, they'll fix it up eventually, always do |
| 23:00.57 | jleclanche | also yeah this is a very old shot |
| 23:01.00 | jleclanche | but i couldnt tell |
| 23:01.07 | Arrowmaster | also this one http://i.imgur.com/T4CSmBg.jpg |
| 23:01.11 | Xuerian | I would assume it's a previs with detail sketch |
| 23:01.32 | Neffi | If you choose that option, it slowly degrades your retinas until you go blind |
| 23:02.12 | Aeger73 | thats cool you can click channel names in Quassel to join |
| 23:02.35 | Arrowmaster | every client does that |
| 23:02.38 | jleclanche | how would you call a shot like this? http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/starcitizen.gamepedia.com/9/92/CONSTELLATION13fightertopfront-Copy.jpg |
| 23:02.51 | jleclanche | its not a render, its not a screenshot, its not a concept art |
| 23:03.17 | kd3 | previs with the concept sketch overlayed on top? |
| 23:03.38 | Aeger73 | maybe its in there model viewer for development |
| 23:03.43 | kd3 | "overlayed on top". yes indeed |
| 23:03.50 | jleclanche | Aeger73: i call them renders |
| 23:03.58 | jleclanche | but thats.. not really a render, dunno |
| 23:04.11 | Xuerian | It is a render that somesone sketched over to indicate where detail would go |
| 23:04.17 | Xuerian | Or at least, that's what everyone but you thinks it is :p |
| 23:04.26 | jleclanche | im not saying i dont think its that |
| 23:04.37 | zenzelezz | illustration? |
| 23:04.41 | jleclanche | im saying I cant put it in [[Category: Renders that someone sketched over to indicate where detail would go]] |
| 23:04.53 | Aeger73 | im not a graphics guy... Me and photoshop have arguments sometimes |
| 23:05.35 | Xuerian | Concept art |
| 23:05.42 | Xuerian | There's your category |
| 23:05.44 | jleclanche | that is not concept art |
| 23:05.48 | kd3 | early renders? concept art? with a note in the category prose that this includes sketched-on renders to show where more detail should go? |
| 23:05.54 | Xuerian | Sure it is, it's art indicative of the concept of a final target |
| 23:06.03 | Xuerian | ... there's a better category, but you're saying there isn't one |
| 23:06.09 | Xuerian | Or at least it seems like |
| 23:06.09 | jleclanche | ill just put it in renders |
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| 23:09.16 | Aeger73 | have you seen the Conetellation in game yet? I thought it was cool when I opened the back door and there was a bathroomn isndioe with working shower door heh |
| 23:09.32 | Aeger73 | the turrets are cool too |
| 23:19.21 | Mr_Rabies | emptying my mailbox in preparation for server merging weeee |
| 23:20.33 | Amarande | which server? |
| 23:20.51 | Amarande | probably Quel'dorei I'm guessing since all the other ones on the merger list are super deader than dead? |
| 23:24.22 | Semlar-Laptop | merges with neffi |
| 23:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | Llane, Amarande, coming next week sometime most likely |
| 23:25.13 | Mr_Rabies | might as well prep now |
| 23:28.21 | Amarande | ah, your mailbox gets nuked when they do that? |
| 23:28.38 | Amarande | I emptied all my mailboxes but then I'm planning on going on hiatus from WoW for a while |
| 23:28.46 | Amarande | and don't want it to all rot in the meanwhile |
| 23:29.01 | Mr_Rabies | it might |
| 23:29.05 | Mr_Rabies | one realm's did, i forgot which |
| 23:29.07 | Amarande | it was kind of an adventure doing it too, since my hard drive's condition had progressed to the point where I got a 132 every single time I tried to roll on my monk |
| 23:29.13 | Aeger73 | ya I lost a BOA staff I was sending between 2 toons that way |
| 23:29.17 | Mr_Rabies | a LOT of stuff broke recently with one merge |
| 23:29.17 | Amarande | so eventually after several crashes I learned I had to just walk over to it LOL |
| 23:29.42 | Amarande | atm, I'm on IRC through a linux live CD, need to install this SSD later |
| 23:29.43 | Aeger73 | luckily they restored it I was suprised they did it |
| 23:29.45 | TC-Work | jleclanche: That is indeed concept art. Our concept artist works in 3d. |
| 23:30.07 | TC-Work | then uses PS to fill in the fiddly bits. |
| 23:32.58 | jleclanche | TC-Work: to give you an idea of what gets categorized as concept art: http://starcitizen.gamepedia.com/Category:Concept_art |
| 23:33.23 | Amarande | and, yeah, I'd tried to roll a lot on my monk to get to the mailbox |
| 23:33.45 | Amarande | since I was all the way out in Feralas and had to go to a fp just to get to a place with a mailbox (first horde camp in feralas doesn't seem to have one unless I missed it amid the super dark shade of feralas) |
| 23:33.48 | Neffi | Semlar-Laptop: shoo! |
| 23:34.14 | jleclanche | Neffi: where are you! |
| 23:34.16 | Semlar-Laptop | :( |
| 23:34.21 | Neffi | >_> |
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| 23:34.55 | Neffi | jleclanche: In my bed reading and waiting for dinner to get here so my stomach can stop telling my brain to shut down |
| 23:35.10 | jleclanche | tell your stomach to stop sucking |
| 23:36.00 | Amarande | thankfully, I'd left my alliance mage in the aldor bank in shattrath, so that mailbox was easy to hit |
| 23:36.03 | TC-Work | jleclanche: How is that picture really any different than http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/starcitizen.gamepedia.com/3/3e/Gladiator_Cockpit_Hobbins.png ? |
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| 23:37.09 | jleclanche | TC-Work: didnt say it was |
| 23:37.21 | jleclanche | its how they release it |
| 23:37.47 | jleclanche | i cant really categorize it as concept art unless they (or the artist themselves) specifically released it as such |
| 23:38.54 | TC-Work | jleclanche: If they did did not give a category then label it as the most similar thing |
| 23:39.08 | TC-Work | if they did categorize it, what is this discussion about? |
| 23:39.10 | Primer | That ship doesn't look very "ejection-friendly" |
| 23:39.25 | jleclanche | TC-Work: the discussion has been over for a while |
| 23:39.38 | TC-Work | pfft, 40 min |
| 23:40.55 | TC-Work | Also isn't this stuff supposed to be in space? |
| 23:42.11 | jleclanche | TC-Work: uh, yes? |
| 23:42.56 | TC-Work | Then maybe they should get out of a damn flight suit and into something spaceworthy. |
| 23:43.07 | TC-Work | And I will just ignore the intake engines |
| 23:43.11 | TC-Work | for now. |
| 23:43.25 | jleclanche | TC-Work: #StarCitizen |
| 23:43.26 | jleclanche | join it |
| 23:43.33 | TC-Work | I kicktstarted it |
| 23:43.39 | jleclanche | so join the chan |
| 23:43.50 | TC-Work | So what I can bitch in there instead? |
| 23:43.56 | jleclanche | yep! |
| 23:44.04 | jleclanche | Im off to bed. gnite |
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| 23:56.14 | Stanzilla | new wine release btw |
