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| 00:07.43 | Arrow|phone | Anybody in line? |
| 00:07.54 | Primer | no |
| 00:09.22 | Arrow|phone | G0rrua gave up and just went hunting for streetpasses |
| 00:12.20 | Amarande | I've got to guess the Blizzcon badge line has to be better than the Dragon Con one at least |
| 00:12.27 | Amarande | mainly since Blizzcon has a strictly limited number of tickets :S |
| 00:20.24 | Arrow|phone | http://www.imgur.com/ANL8EKa.jpeg |
| 00:20.27 | Arrow|phone | http://www.imgur.com/ZpDosGH.jpeg |
| 00:20.43 | Arrow|phone | I can't make albums from mobile |
| 00:21.28 | Amarande | ... wow, I guess I guessed wrong |
| 00:21.40 | Amarande | I figured D*Con would have a worse line since D*Con never caps attendance |
| 00:21.56 | Amarande | there's limits to how many people can be in a given track room, but none to how many D*Con memberships can be sold for a year |
| 00:22.25 | Amarande | the only practical limit pretty much is "can you find a hotel room anywhere in downtownish atlanta" |
| 00:23.27 | Amarande | (now the hosting hotels, on the other hand, those sell out almost as fast as blizzcon tickets. probably would be as fast as blizzcon tickets, if the hotel servers weren't so shitty that I estimate about 60-90% of attempts to book a room end in server timeouts) |
| 00:31.13 | Amarande | although I guess also with blizzcon everyone's pretty much picking up their badges all at once since it's a much shorter event |
| 00:31.57 | Amarande | D*Con is over twice as long, so not everyone feels the need to rush to get their badge Thursday night, plus not everyone even goes to the entire event |
| 00:35.16 | TC-Work | Is there a non root way of getting the same information as lsof | grep pcm? |
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| 00:42.16 | Dagmar | Nope. |
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| 00:42.53 | Dagmar | If you absolutely *have* to, you can wrapper that with sudo fairly quickly. |
| 00:42.56 | TC-Work | Dagmar: So there is no easy way of finding out what pita has control of your non miltiplexable audio? |
| 00:43.17 | Dagmar | Unfortunately no, not without root privs |
| 00:43.34 | TC-Work | Bah, thanks |
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| 00:46.16 | Dagmar | %audio ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lsof /dev/pcm |
| 00:47.27 | TC-Work | Hmm...I'll see if the linux lady will allow it |
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| 01:04.07 | Dagmar | A more reasonable solution would really be to remove world-writable on that device and require people use the muxed output through ALSA |
| 01:04.37 | Dagmar | ...but there's issues around allowing just anyone to access hardware at the local machine anyway, just because of the possibility of a mic being involved |
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| 01:09.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, and manage to murmur in just the exact right rhythm to record binary data that can be used as a system exploit? :) |
| 01:09.27 | Amarande | that'd be a bit of a feat |
| 01:10.38 | Amarande | I suppose there's the possibility of doctoring a mic so they can record arbitrary data as an audio file, but I don't know how likely that is either |
| 01:10.54 | Amarande | and if they're that savvy, well, you're probably seven shades of screwed anyway |
| 01:12.12 | Amarande | speaking of ALSA, are they ever going to fix the multiple sound devices voodoo in a reasonable way, or was I right to accept that it was time not to attempt to use such configurations with it? |
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| 01:24.15 | Arrow|phone | Hi cog |
| 01:24.25 | TC-Work | http://adobe.cynic.al/ |
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| 01:27.43 | bleeter | probably old by now, but GOLD http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/11/07/mayor_rob_ford_caught_in_video_rant.html |
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| 01:45.08 | Ressy | lol.. Gnarfone_ found me on facebook. |
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| 01:46.19 | TC-Work | Not creepy or anything |
| 02:03.28 | Gnarfone_ | Nah |
| 02:04.03 | Gnarfone_ | I just created an account while talking with some of the UI dev guys |
| 02:04.26 | Gnarfone_ | And added like half of their contacts |
| 02:05.13 | Stanzilla | indeed |
| 02:05.14 | Gnarfone_ | End of IRC for now, though, eats too much battery |
| 02:06.15 | Gnarfone_ | Going to the ZAM / wowinsider party now |
| 02:07.09 | Gnarfone_ | Stanzilla: I think it suggested your brother to me |
| 02:07.19 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 02:07.27 | Stanzilla | I have two though |
| 02:13.52 | Gnarfone_ | Tim, I think |
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| 03:22.36 | A-KO | sup |
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| 03:59.34 | A-KO | yo |
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| 05:06.14 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 05:06.16 | Fisker | my mad face |
| 05:06.44 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 05:07.15 | Fisker | a nuke is headed for germany |
| 05:07.16 | Fisker | sorry |
| 05:27.45 | Fisker | I hope you don't get caught in the blast Stanzilla :( |
| 05:28.01 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 05:30.39 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/K2SiBAK.gif |
| 05:42.39 | Mr_Rabies | are there any addons to help save macros/store the character specific ones to transfer to alts easily? |
| 05:42.52 | Mr_Rabies | i know i can go into the macro file in the wow folder, but :effort: |
| 05:59.48 | Fisker | any chance I can get you to call them and ask wtf is going on Stanzilla? :O |
| 06:00.58 | Amarande | for that matter I'd like to see a utility to one-step copy all of a character's addon/UI settings over to another character |
| 06:01.16 | Amarande | profiles help, but generally you still have to go one addon at a time for every toon |
| 06:03.30 | Stanzilla | Fisker: can only initiate checks after 10 days |
| 06:04.03 | Fisker | ok |
| 06:04.05 | Fisker | fuck them then |
| 06:04.10 | Fisker | they probably stole it |
| 06:04.41 | Stanzilla | I can call them in an hour |
| 06:05.45 | Fisker | ok cool |
| 06:06.03 | Fisker | Anyway I gotta get going for work |
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| 07:33.31 | Maldivia | Ok, google.com doodle is really cool today -- Rorschach :) |
| 07:34.05 | Maldivia | Ohh - and to anyone attending blizzcon -- have fun! |
| 07:34.30 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 07:34.36 | Fisker | I'll just be miserable then |
| 07:34.39 | Fisker | thanks Maldivia |
| 07:37.05 | Maldivia | Fisker: ok ok, you can enjoy your weekend as well, but only because it's you... |
| 07:37.12 | Fisker | wee |
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| 07:56.47 | Shirik | http://gizmodo.com/scientists-found-the-wolverine-healing-gene-1460379380?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow |
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| 07:58.11 | Fisker | please Shirik |
| 07:58.16 | Fisker | they just aped the movie |
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| 08:11.09 | Neffi | I made a friend who was a biochemist grad in college. He would laugh at articles like that Shirik. |
| 08:11.21 | Shirik | I should show it to my dad |
| 08:11.24 | Shirik | he was a biochemist |
| 08:11.25 | Neffi | Because they would blow things so out of proportion, and make dubious claims |
| 08:11.32 | Shirik | well that's what the media does with everything |
| 08:11.43 | Neffi | true |
| 08:12.13 | Neffi | I'm no biochemist myself, but I can't see this translating into anything useful for humans in my lifetime |
| 08:12.26 | Neffi | --if at all |
| 08:13.40 | Semlar | not with that attitude! |
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| 08:18.19 | Neffi | >_> |
| 08:20.53 | A-KO | I'm so sleepy |
| 08:21.00 | A-KO | time to pass out |
| 08:21.01 | A-KO | yay :D |
| 08:21.04 | A-KO | see y'all tomorrow |
| 08:57.54 | karl_w_w | everyone excited about tomorrow? |
| 08:57.59 | karl_w_w | I just can't wait |
| 08:58.16 | karl_w_w | all those threads complaining about how lame the new expac sounds, it's gonna be awesome! |
| 09:12.41 | Neffi | Oh, it's being announced tomorrow? Is this for sure, karl_w_w? |
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| 09:13.46 | nevcairiel | its blizzcon |
| 09:13.48 | Neffi | Also, are you talking about "tomorrow" the 8th, or "tomorrow" the 9th? It's the middle of the nigth here, so that can go either way |
| 09:13.49 | nevcairiel | of course it will be |
| 09:13.56 | nevcairiel | tomorrow the 8th |
| 09:14.00 | Neffi | cool |
| 09:14.01 | nevcairiel | well, later today for me |
| 09:14.15 | nevcairiel | there is a whole load of WoW panels labeld "Whats next" |
| 09:14.29 | Neffi | I love when I have news to look forward to |
| 09:14.48 | stuf | karl_w_w: isn't it like that, every time? on every piece of news there's number N people saying "lel stopped playing x years ago whatevs" |
| 09:15.08 | Neffi | wll yeah |
| 09:15.45 | Neffi | But their subscriber base has actually been dipping the last couple xpacs, so this could be an expansion where they turn that around, or an expasnion just like the last 2 |
| 09:16.08 | Neffi | What I see tomorrow will probably decide if I resub again |
| 09:16.24 | nevcairiel | the game is extremely old, its normal to lose some subscribers, but its still an extremely high number |
| 09:16.48 | Neffi | I don't disagree with that sentiment, but I don't think it's the whole story |
| 09:17.06 | nevcairiel | I had mixed feelings about MoP |
| 09:17.09 | Neffi | There are many facets to WoW's gameplay, and its no secret that they have favored some over others. |
| 09:17.10 | nevcairiel | i liked cata more, tbh |
| 09:17.54 | Neffi | As some things evolve, and other facets are ignored (like quality questing, epic single-player storylines, etc) subscribers become disinterested because it's not the game it used to be for them |
| 09:18.38 | Neffi | It's one thing to get bored over time, but WoW sees an evolutionary change every xpac. Some of those changes are undoubtedly to blame for people no longer liking the game |
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| 09:24.27 | karl_w_w | that's why I said it stuf :P |
| 09:24.45 | stuf | yeah |
| 09:25.21 | karl_w_w | how much of mop did you play nevcairiel? |
| 09:28.28 | Neffi | all of it, karl_w_w http://i.imgur.com/rc1u0eo.jpg |
| 09:37.49 | karl_w_w | I don't know what to do with this information |
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| 09:38.53 | nevcairiel | I didnt raid much short of LFR, but played much of the non-group content |
| 09:39.23 | Neffi | i thought the non-group content was quite good |
| 09:39.23 | nevcairiel | although I didnt really get into the spirit of the dailys, always felt really like a chore instead of fun |
| 09:39.33 | nevcairiel | wasnt that way in previous expansions for me |
| 09:40.04 | Maldivia | tooo many dailies this time around |
| 09:40.43 | nevcairiel | I also didnt like the golden lotus thing |
| 09:40.51 | nevcairiel | locking me out of the factions i might prefer doing |
| 09:40.54 | karl_w_w | people with that complaint almost all didn't play much beyond 5.0 |
| 09:41.27 | nevcairiel | it was mostly annoying on alts, and eventhough this rep bonus thing they added made it better, was still annoying |
| 09:41.31 | stuf | my biggest complaint has been how crappy pvp servers have become with CRZ |
| 09:41.47 | karl_w_w | there was no reason to level reps on alts |
| 09:42.05 | Neffi | PvP servers ain't as bad as they used to before before CRZ was necessary |
| 09:42.10 | nevcairiel | what else are you going to do in the game? :p |
| 09:42.40 | nevcairiel | I havent played my "main" for a while now, could call my latest alt my new main, its all a bit grey |
| 09:43.00 | stuf | Neffi: mainly because now at least where i'm playing, we're in a situation where 90's fly around just whacking <60's because why not |
| 09:43.20 | Neffi | It's always been the way |
| 09:43.22 | stuf | since i have a number of chars, transfer isn't an option, and just stopped questing and ran lfg instead |
| 09:43.27 | karl_w_w | raid, pet battles, pvp, scenarios, archaeology, things on the isles |
| 09:43.34 | Neffi | The only thing that changed was the world gradually went from an MMO world, to a single-player world |
| 09:43.35 | karl_w_w | I can think of more if you like |
| 09:43.41 | karl_w_w | proving grounds for example |
| 09:43.48 | Neffi | You're only surprised because in one patch, it suddenly went back to what it was designed to be |
| 09:44.08 | stuf | that's true |
| 09:44.16 | nevcairiel | half of the things you listed are even more boring then leveling reps :D |
| 09:44.28 | Neffi | Ganking was FAR FAR worse in vanilla and BC, and anybody who says otherwise didn't play back then, or is letting their bias cloud their judgment |
| 09:44.43 | nevcairiel | although i wanted to do the fight club thing, my main back then wasnt really capable of that, so my hunter now should do well |
| 09:44.49 | stuf | i did play back in vanilla and it was pretty shitty back then |
| 09:44.51 | nevcairiel | maybe i'll do that on the weekend |
| 09:45.14 | stuf | and griefing sucks dongs no matter where |
| 09:45.22 | karl_w_w | you don't have to do all of them nevcairiel |
| 09:45.26 | Neffi | I do agree that letting the world become single-player in the first place was one of the worst design decisions |
| 09:45.38 | stuf | yeah |
| 09:45.47 | Neffi | I'm glad they reversed it, but damage has been done in the psyche of the players |
| 09:46.12 | stuf | shame that world pvp is kinda dead |
| 09:46.15 | Neffi | The game will never have the feeling or community it used to have back when you had to play it like an MMO, no matter how hard they try to bring it back |
| 09:46.17 | stuf | as well |
| 09:46.37 | stuf | really liked how daily hc's were done by actually _asking_ people |
| 09:46.45 | Neffi | yeah |
| 09:46.46 | stuf | and a shame that it doesn't happen that much nowadays |
| 09:46.54 | stuf | apart from 'link achi and ilvl huaehu' |
| 09:47.17 | Neffi | People nowadays think it's such a travesty that you used to have to search for a group, and couldn't sit in queue all day, and couldn't knock out heroics back to back with mere minutes of downtime |
| 09:47.26 | stuf | yeah |
| 09:47.32 | Neffi | But they didn't play back then, when having a goal in mind actually gave purpose to it |
| 09:47.41 | stuf | but again, i've found a couple of awesome people through LFG. but, that was in the 15-80 range |
| 09:47.51 | Neffi | It didn't matter if the grind was just as bad, because when you were grinding you actually felt like you were playing agame |
| 09:47.55 | stuf | it's almost when you hit 80 and do lfg, it's like people's brains jump away |
| 09:47.57 | Neffi | These things are important for immersion |
| 09:48.09 | stuf | yeah, true |
| 09:48.41 | Neffi | Vanilla may have lacked polish and balance, but it had a wonderful vision, and it executed it will |
| 09:48.42 | Neffi | well* |
| 09:48.50 | Neffi | Things felt like an MMORPG |
| 09:49.23 | Neffi | I needa go find a cig. >_> |
| 09:49.34 | stuf | also, the old WC |
| 09:49.43 | stuf | "fuck this maze" |
| 09:50.34 | stuf | but yeah, personally, i'm mostly frustrated of the amount of griefing happening |
| 09:50.53 | stuf | sometimes getting that STV vibe back again |
| 09:53.11 | jleclanche | Weeee |
| 09:53.14 | jleclanche | I got my EFF shirt |
| 09:53.15 | jleclanche | \o/ |
| 09:54.07 | Fisker | you lost your right arm? |
| 09:54.28 | Fisker | and got it reattached to the left side? |
| 09:56.20 | karl_w_w | .:stuf:. shame that world pvp is kinda dead <- it's been dead since they introduce BGs |
| 10:09.29 | Neffi | Nobody liked griefing, but I'd gladly accept it back if it meant having the old world PvP too |
| 10:09.59 | Neffi | I loved leveling on PvP servers. The danger that you'd never know if there was an enemy around your level, or a bit higher, nearby ready to strike |
| 10:10.22 | Neffi | And being so damned proud when an enemy 10 levels higher than you thought he could get the better of you |
| 10:11.11 | Neffi | I still remember getting chased down while playing a BM hunter, by somebody who was probably 1 level higher than being a skull to me, hitting the water, and having him disregard my pet, only to die to my pet |
| 10:12.02 | Neffi | And when you hit the level cap, if you wanted to have some fun, but didn't feel like hopping in a BG, there were always towns you can visit where you knew griefing was happening, and you could set things right by killing the level 60s |
| 10:12.48 | Mr_Rabies | what's so different about current world pvp vs old world pvp, other than flying mounts, which aren't going away |
| 10:13.04 | Neffi | Did you play back then? |
| 10:13.11 | Mr_Rabies | a bit |
| 10:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 10:13.15 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | i played |
| 10:13.23 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't do /much/ world pvp |
| 10:13.27 | Neffi | Ongoing battles that never really ceased was one thing |
| 10:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | other than TM/SS |
| 10:13.52 | Mr_Rabies | which ended more as a result of bgs than actually being removed altogether |
| 10:13.52 | Neffi | There was a time when blue gear was considered good, and that was probably the high point of world PvP, because skill > gear |
| 10:14.10 | Neffi | And flying mounts really did taint the world PvP landscape |
| 10:14.24 | Neffi | The thrill of being in a battle and not having a dumb-easy escape to rely on |
| 10:14.25 | Mr_Rabies | i could have done without flying mounts altogether, honestly |
| 10:14.29 | Neffi | Me too |
| 10:14.31 | Mr_Rabies | they're convenient but they shrink the world |
| 10:14.37 | Mr_Rabies | can't remove them now though |
| 10:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be upset if they removed them now |
| 10:14.57 | Neffi | I always thought it was an inevitable feature anyway, and laughed at people who hated them, until I realized they were right: it actually did help to kill a lot of the fun I had |
| 10:15.17 | Mr_Rabies | i've always felt this way regarding them |
| 10:15.23 | Neffi | And there's something about having to travel on foot, to have to see the beautiful world as you move around it |
| 10:15.36 | Mr_Rabies | i was happy to see them when they came out, but i realized they shrunk the world considerably |
| 10:15.50 | Neffi | WoW's world design has always been top-notch in the industry, and there are time when I honestly wish I had no choice but to explore it on horseback again |
| 10:15.52 | Mr_Rabies | that being said, at this point you really should be able to fly at 85 in pandaria on alts :| |
| 10:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | flying mounts aren't going away, a boa flight book should have been added around 5.2 or so |
| 10:17.01 | Neffi | It's easy to say that people who are nostalgic of old WoW are just remembering the good times, looking for excuses to dislike modern WoW |
| 10:17.12 | Mr_Rabies | most people are |
| 10:17.17 | Neffi | And that's true to some extent. But that doesn't mean some of their creative decisions were not for the worse. |
| 10:17.24 | Mr_Rabies | there were some good experiences, but many were simply a product of circumstance |
| 10:17.41 | Neffi | There were elements and themes present in vanilla WoW that I think should never have disappeared -- traveling the world on horseback being just one of them |
| 10:17.41 | Mr_Rabies | and even designing the game with those in mind at this point wouldn't emulate the experience at all |
| 10:17.58 | Neffi | No, it wouldn't, not today |
| 10:18.18 | Neffi | But I think if they had stuck with certain design decisions in favor of covenience, we'd have a better game today |
| 10:18.20 | Mr_Rabies | i think sometimes blizzard considers convenience above other elements, which isn't really something to dislike them for |
| 10:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | they want people to feel their game is less hassle to play than other MMOs in general |
| 10:18.49 | Neffi | Nobody misses the shit balance, or the fact that a lot of the content was inaccessible, but it's perfectly valid to miss the days when WoW wasn't about idling in a city waiting for queue times |
| 10:19.03 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 10:19.05 | Mr_Rabies | to be honest |
| 10:19.16 | Neffi | It doesn't play like an MMO anymore. It plays more like a regular multiplayer. Join a match and wait for it to start. |
| 10:19.28 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't really waited in a city for queue times for pretty much any of MoP |
| 10:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | wotlk and cata, sure |
| 10:20.05 | Neffi | But it's still a prominent element of the gameplay, that the world is less significant than it ought to be |
| 10:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | but i feel the world is a lot more fun to play around in while queued than going to the cities |
| 10:20.23 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly think relinking general chat worldwide would get more people out of the cities |
| 10:20.30 | Mr_Rabies | people go to the cities because that's where conversation happens |
| 10:20.37 | Neffi | I like games that are immersive. An RPG ought to feel like you're role-playing a brave character. It doesn't do that anymore. |
| 10:21.21 | Mr_Rabies | i think immersiveness is entirely subjective and frankly near impossible to pull off in an online game |
| 10:21.39 | Mr_Rabies | how immersive is it when your raid's druid is literally hopping for a whole raid (like me) |
| 10:21.41 | Neffi | I'm inclined to argue with that |
| 10:22.09 | Neffi | But I'll be fair: it's not EASY to pull off, and I can't think of another game that did it besides vanilla WoW -- but that's because I havent played too many MMOs |
| 10:22.19 | Neffi | I'm hopeful that ESO will manage it |
| 10:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | i was never really immersed in vanilla wow |
| 10:22.29 | Mr_Rabies | i was impressed for the world's liveliness |
| 10:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | still am |
| 10:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's still the most "alive" open world game i've ever played |
| 10:22.44 | Mr_Rabies | and i've yet to play any that come even remotely close |
| 10:22.49 | Neffi | I agree |
| 10:22.53 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 10:22.56 | Neffi | For its faults, WoW is still a gem of the industry |
| 10:23.07 | Mr_Rabies | skyrim feels awkward and clumsy as a world |
| 10:23.19 | Neffi | It's not helping that most of the industry is trying to copy it because it's a god-damned cash cow |
| 10:23.29 | nevcairiel | WoW vanilla was my first MMO, which gave it a truely magical feeling |
| 10:23.43 | Neffi | I disagree about Skyrim. Some of it feels awkward and clusmy, but I don't fault it for that |
| 10:23.48 | Mr_Rabies | i do |
| 10:23.52 | Neffi | the imperfections can be charming |
| 10:23.55 | Mr_Rabies | there's practically no gameplay |
| 10:23.57 | Neffi | I think Skyrim did the world well |
| 10:24.04 | Mr_Rabies | the world feels lazily copied and pasted |
| 10:24.06 | Mr_Rabies | end to end |
| 10:24.12 | Neffi | Some of it, yes |
| 10:24.20 | Mr_Rabies | i think skyrim would feel a lot better if it was about 50% smaller |
| 10:24.27 | Mr_Rabies | and they had time to actually build the world |
| 10:24.40 | Mr_Rabies | instead of just plop in prefabbed stuff everywhere |
| 10:24.44 | Neffi | But I maintain that Skyrim makes up for its faults by giving us insanely good storytelling, incentive and freedom to explore |
| 10:24.53 | karl_w_w | I once built a world |
| 10:25.03 | Mr_Rabies | to me, a game is about gameplay first |
| 10:25.04 | karl_w_w | was tiring though, on the 7th day I had to rest |
| 10:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | storytelling is nice, but if that's all it's got |
| 10:25.13 | Mr_Rabies | why not just make a tv show or movie? |
| 10:25.21 | Mr_Rabies | (or book) |
| 10:25.24 | Neffi | And I like that TES's story is subtle in ways. You don't get an impresion of how good it is by just playing the main questline and rushing it |
| 10:25.31 | karl_w_w | if only wow had storytelling |
| 10:25.47 | Mr_Rabies | wow has way better storytelling than the bethesda games, imo |
| 10:26.00 | Neffi | It's in the exploring that you realize how well the story comes together. In the fact that the NPCs are not all-knowing entities that are gonna reveal all the details of the plot, but that you have to piece together the puzzle for yourself |
| 10:26.09 | nevcairiel | pandaria had some short sections with story telling, especially those that embeded you in the story, but its was only rare occurances really |
| 10:26.16 | karl_w_w | but still way worse than a heap of other games |
| 10:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i like so much about dark souls, neffi |
| 10:26.23 | Mr_Rabies | not only do the npcs not know everything |
| 10:26.30 | Mr_Rabies | they practically know NOTHING |
| 10:26.36 | Neffi | WoW's quirkiness works to get you into the storyline, but I never felt Warcraft's lore had much depth to it |
| 10:26.47 | Neffi | TES's lore has more depth than the games reveal, and that makes it feel more authentic |
| 10:26.52 | Mr_Rabies | you have to piece together the story from items you find in the world (which feels amazing and is perfectly sized) |
| 10:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think dark souls has the perfect world size for an open world game considering all the various gameplay elements connected to it |
| 10:27.33 | Neffi | The god-damned jars with bugs in them have inscriptions under the cap, and if you were one of the crazy people who collected them all, and then did the reading through the books to decipher what it meant, you see an epic storyline told through two dozen obscure glyphs |
| 10:27.36 | Neffi | That's fucking cool |
| 10:27.53 | Mr_Rabies | my only real gripe with dark souls is the tomb of the giants part |
| 10:28.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think that section could have been cut by like, half and been a better experience |
| 10:28.17 | Neffi | "they practically know NOTHING" <- that's one of the best decisions they made |
| 10:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | it was still amazing to finally get to gravelord nito after all that time, though |
| 10:28.29 | Neffi | The NPCs are simple folks who go about their day feeding chickens and making armor |
| 10:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | well, in dark souls |
| 10:28.37 | Neffi | Historians are few and far between, and that's realistic |
| 10:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | they're simple intelligent zombies that have no clue how the world got to where it is |
| 10:28.53 | Neffi | And even the historians don't know much, they know what they have pieced together |
| 10:28.57 | Mr_Rabies | or even what they are |
| 10:29.12 | Mr_Rabies | or how people keep phasing in and out from different realities, times, places, etc |
| 10:29.38 | Neffi | That's another thing |
| 10:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | they live in a world that's been post-apocalyptic so long, there's hardly any real life left |
| 10:29.52 | Neffi | The magical elements of a lot of RPGs border on cheesy, and even lazy from a writing standpoint |
| 10:29.57 | Mr_Rabies | almost the entire world has been consumed by demons, zombies, etc |
| 10:29.59 | Neffi | I feel like TES did a lot of that tastefully |
| 10:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | and the zombies have some relics of a civilation left |
| 10:30.32 | Neffi | This is why I'm hopeful for ESO |
| 10:30.39 | Mr_Rabies | but by the time you're done with dark souls you're honestly not even sure how much of lordran there is outside of what you've seen |
| 10:30.57 | Mr_Rabies | you feel like you've seen the end of the earth after the hell you've been through |
| 10:31.08 | Mr_Rabies | but you're never quite sure |
| 10:31.21 | Neffi | Beta testers and people who get regular peaks at its progression paint a picture of a world that feels like a TES game, and even gameplay that feels like a TES game, but world-building that has the kind of hand-crafted, love-imbued feel that makes WoW so good |
| 10:31.24 | Mr_Rabies | well "the earth" being a term we earthpeople use |
| 10:31.56 | Neffi | I still want to play Dark Souls, because it gets a lot of hype. It wont run on my machine tho. |
| 10:32.04 | Mr_Rabies | do you have any consoles? |
| 10:32.09 | Neffi | Not now |
| 10:32.30 | Neffi | I was gonna pick it up for PS3 when I moved in with a friend of mine, but that didn't last |
| 10:32.38 | Mr_Rabies | get a ps3 for cheapish once the ps4 comes out maybe, grab demon's souls and dark souls |
| 10:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | i have Dark souls for 360, but if you want both, they're both on ps3 |
| 10:33.04 | Neffi | Well I either get a job or I don't. I can't afford a PS3 right now, no matter how cheap it comes |
| 10:33.09 | Mr_Rabies | i have demon's for ps3 |
| 10:33.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i feel you |
| 10:33.15 | Neffi | And if I get a job, there's no way I'm not building a very good computer |
| 10:33.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'm in the same boat more or less |
| 10:33.36 | Mr_Rabies | i hope they move dark souls off of games for windows live, but i guess dark souls 2 is coming soon |
| 10:33.38 | Neffi | I've wnated to do a build for too long. It'll be one of the first things I do with my paychecks. |
| 10:33.40 | Mr_Rabies | and it'll be steamworks |
| 10:34.06 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls 1 was GFWL mostly because the pc version was very much something they did due to demand |
| 10:34.29 | nevcairiel | Most problems i have with many of such games is their graphics style, if they try to mimic real humans too closely its usually terrible, since the graphic is just not up to snuff to pull it off. I always liked WoW for staying away from that |
| 10:34.30 | Neffi | Bad port? |
| 10:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't part of the regular development process to make the pc version, and From Software wasn't really familiar with modern pc gaming |
| 10:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really a bad port, per se |
| 10:34.44 | Neffi | nevcairiel: I agree wholeheartedly |
| 10:34.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's really easy to fix up with some small directx mods |
| 10:35.04 | Neffi | I remember seeing LOTRO and GW and thinking "I see how you think the graphics are good, but I think they're terrible" |
| 10:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | and they needed to port the netcode from the 360 version so GFWL was the simplest method |
| 10:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i agree neffi |
| 10:35.21 | Neffi | Uncanny valley is a lot more powerful than having good graphics at your disposal |
| 10:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | i think wildstar is the first MMO in FOREVER that stands up to WoW's graphic design |
| 10:35.36 | Neffi | It takes impeccable artistic direction to make use of what you've got, and not just throw the best models out you can |
| 10:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard still has the best texture artists in the industry, though |
| 10:35.45 | nevcairiel | they also didnt bother with real humans, didnt they |
| 10:35.57 | Neffi | That's one thing WoW pulls off better than probably any game in existence -- making perfect use of limited technology, from a visual standpoint |
| 10:36.10 | nevcairiel | hm right, widlstar had this anime looking characters |
| 10:36.18 | Mr_Rabies | sorta anime-comic-esque |
| 10:36.24 | nevcairiel | that works for me |
| 10:36.27 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:36.41 | Neffi | I don't like the overemphasized anime/comic style, to be honest |
| 10:36.42 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly think wow looks better than say, TERA |
| 10:36.53 | Neffi | You can say WoW has that style to an extent, but WoW's a rare gem in its regard |
| 10:37.07 | Mr_Rabies | good design will always trump technical detail, to me |
| 10:37.15 | Neffi | I thought TERA had potential from videos I saw, but it's hard for me to get over the over-the-type stylings |
| 10:37.25 | Neffi | It's totally immersion-breaking for me |
| 10:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | i love over the top styling, to be honest |
| 10:37.48 | Neffi | I think there's a lot to be had in subtlety, and the media industry has forgotten that lately |
| 10:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | but TERA doesn't really have any good design in it |
| 10:37.59 | Neffi | I agree |
| 10:38.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's all "let's combine uncanny valley with anime and see what sticks" |
| 10:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | the answer: nothing |
| 10:38.16 | Neffi | Over-the-topness aside, it doesn't feel like it has good artists |
| 10:38.44 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i'm a fan of really eclectic, highly stylized art over realistic design in almost every case |
| 10:38.56 | Mr_Rabies | i think dark souls pulls off fairly realistic well, but they did some hella research |
| 10:39.06 | Neffi | That's highly subjective. It depends totally on how precisely it's done. |
| 10:39.10 | Mr_Rabies | most of the armor and weaponry is based on real stuff from history |
| 10:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | even really precise realistic art, neffi |
| 10:39.28 | Mr_Rabies | i just...think it's boring |
| 10:39.31 | Mr_Rabies | there's no imagination to it |
| 10:39.41 | Neffi | what I meant is "how exactly it's done" |
| 10:39.55 | Neffi | Art can take the subtle approach and botch it; it can take the stylistic approach and botch it |
| 10:40.01 | Neffi | It's hard to take ANY approach and do it right |
| 10:40.03 | Mr_Rabies | certainly |
| 10:40.18 | Mr_Rabies | say, rob liefeld art versus francis manapul |
| 10:40.26 | Neffi | that's what separates an artist from somebody who simply learned how to make art |
| 10:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | both superhero comic artists that stylize their work |
| 10:40.51 | Mr_Rabies | liefeld is terrible, manapul is amazing, but both are stylized to the same level in totally different ways |
| 10:40.55 | Neffi | I don't fault anyone for being too subtle, being too over the top, taking their style too far |
| 10:41.04 | Neffi | I fault them for not doing it well |
| 10:41.41 | Neffi | It just so happens that when something is heavily stylized, the faults in it are all the more apparent |
| 10:41.47 | Neffi | And that's why I dislike high stylization |
| 10:42.26 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's the other way around |
| 10:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | if it's heavily realistic, its faults are way more apparent |
| 10:42.45 | Neffi | Weirdly I think that's the problem with taking the subtle approach too: you get individual areas where too much stylization has come through, when the overall direction obviously intended to avoid that |
| 10:42.51 | Mr_Rabies | heavily stylized art can be written off as a quirk of stylization |
| 10:43.09 | Neffi | Can be written off as that, yes |
| 10:43.13 | Neffi | but not by me ;) |
| 10:43.47 | Mr_Rabies | for example re: my superhero art stuff |
| 10:44.00 | Mr_Rabies | here's some francis manapul art: http://houseofflyingscalpels.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/04-05.jpg |
| 10:44.16 | Neffi | The extent of my superhero knowledge comes from movies, and from my friend whose a god-damned superhero scholar constantly correcting me |
| 10:45.43 | Neffi | I Googled liefield, and I tend to agree with you |
| 10:46.15 | Neffi | Manapul seems much, much better |
| 10:46.28 | Mr_Rabies | and he's some liefeld art from around the same time: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pfuWBjlFM5E/ThT6SI-fuhI/AAAAAAAAAbY/AoVqOs85B7I/s1600/infinite.jpg |
| 10:46.40 | Neffi | I like this one http://ifanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/kon_el_by_francis_manapul__04__super.png |
| 10:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | to be fair, manapul's is a splash page, but the art is representative of both |
| 10:46.54 | Neffi | Manapul's quite good |
| 10:47.03 | Neffi | I can appreciate comic styling when it's done that well |
| 10:47.22 | Mr_Rabies | how do you feel about the stylization in the pearl of pandaria comic versus the regular wow comic? |
| 10:47.36 | Neffi | I never saw the WoW comics |
| 10:47.39 | Mr_Rabies | here's pearl of pandaria: http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/dccomics/201207/dccomics/WOW_Pearl-of-Pandaria-interior.jpg |
| 10:47.58 | Neffi | Blizzard's literary art has always been hit and miss to me |
| 10:48.36 | Mr_Rabies | and here's the comic art, though it does go between different artists with varying levels of quality/style http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/10/16/wow101704ux3T88l4e5.jpg |
| 10:49.05 | Mr_Rabies | also, sometimes this: http://wiki.eternal-wow.com/images/8/87/Tumblr_kxsug9Zxp51qb2bg7o1_400.jpg |
| 10:49.30 | Neffi | That one wouldn't load for me, but the one near the bottom of this page, I like http://wow.gamona.de/mists-of-pandaria/ |
| 10:49.30 | Mr_Rabies | that last one looks like total garbage to me, but i think pearl of pandaria really pulls off wow's look the best |
| 10:49.59 | Neffi | The character design, I don't feel strongly one way or the other, but the panel where they're in the room with the green carpet andlight pouring in, I love that one |
| 10:50.11 | Mr_Rabies | yah, that's from pearl of pandaria i think |
| 10:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see again |
| 10:50.18 | Mr_Rabies | that site loaded poorly |
| 10:50.45 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's from pearl of pandaria |
| 10:51.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's from Sean "Cheeks" Galloway, whose style is more cartoony and fits wow really well, i think |
| 10:51.02 | Neffi | http://images.mmosite.com/photo/2007/10/16/wow101704ux3T88l4e5.jpg <- this one, the only thing that I really like is the middle part, with the oversaturated light on the landscape |
| 10:51.12 | Neffi | The rest doesn't stand out as good or bad |
| 10:51.35 | Neffi | The other one you linked, with the guy and girl, I'm not fond of |
| 10:51.49 | Mr_Rabies | that's tiffin and varian, i believe |
| 10:52.13 | Mr_Rabies | pre-varian getting kidnapped and turning into LO'GOSH |
| 10:52.41 | Neffi | Actually as I look at it, I like this qutie a bit: http://wow.gamona.de/wp-content/gallery/mists-of-pandaria/dc_comics_pearl_of_pandaria_01.jpg |
| 10:53.03 | Neffi | The over-exaggerated facial expressions, they're charming |
| 10:53.09 | nevcairiel | that looks a lot like how i would a animated cartoon tv show expect to look :p |
| 10:53.10 | Neffi | The backgrounds are done very well |
| 10:53.25 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, galloway works in animation sometimes |
| 10:53.29 | Neffi | I can get into that style |
| 10:53.32 | Mr_Rabies | and i love comics that employ an animation-like style |
| 10:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | i do like really technical stuff, too, if pulled off well |
| 10:53.48 | Mr_Rabies | for example: orc stain by james stokoe |
| 10:54.00 | Mr_Rabies | everything is simultaneously gross and beautiful at the same time |
| 10:54.01 | Neffi | I tend to like things that people never really hold as shining examples |
| 10:54.08 | Neffi | Ever see the first Avatar Airbender series? |
| 10:54.14 | Neffi | I loved the artistic direction of it |
| 10:54.19 | Neffi | I thought it was brilliant |
| 10:54.28 | Neffi | I've never met anybody who shares that sentiment |
| 10:55.14 | Mr_Rabies | i love it |
| 10:55.23 | Mr_Rabies | and korra, even more |
| 10:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | i think they really refined the art design and took advantage of the larger budget |
| 10:55.49 | Neffi | I like Korra because of the awesome use of depth-of-field, stark contract between character and background, and other things |
| 10:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | the lighting and shadows and whatnot are particularly impressive in legend of korra |
| 10:55.59 | Neffi | I think Korra's art is very good. But I prefer the first series. |
| 10:56.01 | Mr_Rabies | compared to A:TLA |
| 10:56.11 | Mr_Rabies | so far i like korra just as much |
| 10:56.21 | Mr_Rabies | i love how intense the combat is and how quickly the scales went up |
| 10:56.32 | Neffi | Korra is definitely a refinement of the style, but I found a certain charm in the original series, and the mistakes they made add to it |
| 10:56.35 | Neffi | At least for me |
| 10:56.52 | Mr_Rabies | korra wound up in situations Aang would never have to deal with considering he's a kid like almost from the get-go |
| 10:56.54 | Neffi | I think the first series' writing was a few steps above Korra |
| 10:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | i love hot-headed protagonists with short tempers, too |
| 10:57.16 | Mr_Rabies | they make for interesting tv |
| 10:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | she's a lot more flawed than aang and i like that |
| 10:57.32 | Neffi | It lent more to both the macro-plot that spanned the whole series, as well as the micro-plots that spanned just episodes. A lot more into the character depth, clever forshadowing, etc |
| 10:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | that scene where she first meets amon was insane |
| 10:57.43 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 10:57.48 | Neffi | I think The Last Airbender (show, not movie) stands out as one of my favorite shows of all time |
| 10:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | it felt way more dangerous than anything that happened in TLA simply because it was adults dealing with a really intense situation that couldn't really happen to aang |
| 10:58.26 | Neffi | How each character unraveled, especially Zuko and.. Iro? (how do you spell that?) |
| 10:58.41 | Neffi | And even how Aang's story wasn't as simple as you might think at first |
| 10:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | it was like "well shit, he could simply kill her right here and roll credits" |
| 10:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | and i never really felt that in TLA |
| 10:58.51 | Mr_Rabies | Iroh |
| 10:58.58 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i love the original series, don't get me wrong |
| 10:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | i just love how korra's different |
| 10:59.03 | Neffi | In a way, yes |
| 10:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's intentionally not just remaking the same show |
| 10:59.16 | Neffi | But I feel like Aang was a lot more clever |
| 10:59.20 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah |
| 10:59.32 | Neffi | The situations he found himself in, and how he handled them, were done exceptionally well |
| 10:59.42 | Neffi | Korra is just straight "shit's going down, and she's the Avatar!" |
| 10:59.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i love how they're different, though |
| 11:00.03 | Neffi | I wouldn't have it any other way |
| 11:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad they don't approach things in the same way |
| 11:00.11 | Neffi | If Korra was nothing but another Aang, why bother? |
| 11:00.23 | Mr_Rabies | aang could call from the other avatars pretty easily by the end of book one |
| 11:00.41 | Neffi | It also made sense ... economically, is that the word -- that the children who grew up on TLA were now teenagers, and wanted a new Avatar that fit their menality, not another kid's show |
| 11:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | but korra doesn't have that crutch. she's a young adult dealing with domestic terrorism and her own life at the same time |
| 11:01.03 | Mr_Rabies | with no help, really |
| 11:01.13 | Mr_Rabies | other than her circle of friends and training with tenzin |
| 11:01.16 | Neffi | True enough, but that suggests a certain distate for the convencience Aang had |
| 11:01.33 | Neffi | I just watched TLA through again a couple weeks ago, and I feel like even that element was done tastefully |
| 11:01.47 | Mr_Rabies | i think it just leads to different situations than aang could deal with |
| 11:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | i think they've done it really smartly |
| 11:02.03 | Neffi | Towards the end when he calls upon the 3 previous Avatars for wisdom on facing the Fire Lord, none of them give him the advice he wants |
| 11:02.08 | Neffi | Simply that he must do what he needs |
| 11:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | there's so much different between them that they can't really rehash ANYTHING |
| 11:02.21 | Neffi | He faces a great struggle between his philosophy and what the past Avatars would have done |
| 11:02.27 | Mr_Rabies | other than various references, like fire captain iroh, etc |
| 11:02.32 | Neffi | And the ending it culminates in was so incredibly good |
| 11:02.38 | Neffi | The ending was nothing short of perfect |
| 11:02.40 | karl_w_w | http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/george-rr-martin-hands-off-my-characters-20131108-2x6fb.html lol |
| 11:02.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for an in between series sometime |
| 11:03.07 | Neffi | I'd love for another series after Korra |
| 11:03.15 | Neffi | At least 4 in all, one for each element |
| 11:03.34 | Neffi | I'd also love to see one of them go into the past, and deal with Roku or Kioshi |
| 11:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | seeing adult aang, toph, sokka, and katara work to build republic city and deal with issues |
| 11:04.15 | Neffi | Oh, I would love that |
| 11:04.22 | Mr_Rabies | seeing adult toph in flashbacks was pretty rad, i think she was my favorite character in TLA |
| 11:04.26 | Neffi | But I'm wary of seeing the show go that far |
| 11:04.28 | Mr_Rabies | i like them all |
| 11:04.39 | Neffi | I don't want it to become the kind of franchise that loses touch with how it started |
| 11:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | and "...that's rough, buddy" from zuko pretty much made me a huge zuko fan |
| 11:04.56 | Neffi | Iroh and Zuko were my favorite |
| 11:05.01 | Neffi | And of course Aang |
| 11:05.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, iroh owns |
| 11:05.14 | Neffi | I think Iroh might have been the most well thought out character |
| 11:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | too bad Mako (the voice actor) died :( |
| 11:05.26 | Neffi | Really? That's very sad |
| 11:05.29 | Neffi | He was very talented |
| 11:05.31 | Neffi | VERY talented |
| 11:05.33 | Neffi | He nailed it |
| 11:05.35 | Mr_Rabies | that's what that tribute episode in TLA was for |
| 11:05.46 | Mr_Rabies | he died during production, and they had a stand in for most of the final season |
| 11:05.50 | Neffi | I don't recall what episode that was |
| 11:06.07 | Neffi | And I'm really shocked I didn't notice a voice change |
| 11:06.10 | Mr_Rabies | he was aku in samurai jack, etc |
| 11:06.12 | Neffi | I watched the whole back to back over just a few days |
| 11:06.17 | Mr_Rabies | he was an awesome voice actor |
| 11:06.36 | Mr_Rabies | it was the one episode that was the short stories, neffi |
| 11:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | one of the stories was dedicated to Mako |
| 11:06.46 | Neffi | Ah yes |
| 11:06.47 | Mr_Rabies | and had the poem in it |
| 11:06.54 | Neffi | Oh god, the feels |
| 11:06.57 | Mr_Rabies | that's why mako in korra is called mako |
| 11:07.02 | Neffi | that was so fucking sad |
| 11:07.08 | Neffi | SO fucking sad |
| 11:07.11 | Mr_Rabies | because he was so great |
| 11:07.14 | Mr_Rabies | he made that show |
| 11:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | everyone made that show, but |
| 11:07.29 | Neffi | He was a shining star, yeah |
| 11:07.32 | Mr_Rabies | iroh's writing was so backed up by his voice acting |
| 11:07.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really impressed that the kids were so good at acting, too |
| 11:07.47 | Mr_Rabies | their voice director is really good |
| 11:07.53 | Neffi | They used kids? |
| 11:07.56 | Mr_Rabies | andrea romano, she did like, all the dc animated stuff |
| 11:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | yup, toph's VA was like... |
| 11:08.05 | Mr_Rabies | 10? when it started? |
| 11:08.08 | Neffi | no fuckin way |
| 11:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 11:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | maybe 11 |
| 11:08.22 | Neffi | That's incredibly. Toph was done incredibly well too. |
| 11:08.26 | Mr_Rabies | katara was an adult if i recall |
| 11:08.31 | Neffi | I think Toph's voice actor was better than Aang's |
| 11:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | as was sokka |
| 11:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | aang's was a kid, too |
| 11:08.41 | Mr_Rabies | like, 13-14 |
| 11:08.41 | Neffi | heh |
| 11:08.55 | Neffi | I think both of them were better than Sokka |
| 11:09.19 | Neffi | I never really had much attachment to Sokka. He had his depth as a character, but it never pulled in my interest. |
| 11:09.34 | Neffi | Katara as well. She was awesome, but she's nothing next to Aang, Toph, Zuko or Iroh |
| 11:09.41 | Mr_Rabies | aang's va was born in 1993, show started in 2005 |
| 11:09.44 | Mr_Rabies | so like 12ish |
| 11:10.09 | Mr_Rabies | toph's was born in 1994 |
| 11:10.37 | Neffi | I'm also reserving my judgment of Korra right now |
| 11:10.39 | Mr_Rabies | zuko's VA is rufio in the live action peter pan movie |
| 11:10.47 | Neffi | I liked the first season, but this season is up in the air |
| 11:11.05 | Neffi | Depending on how it plays out in the end, it can either be better than season 1, or a clunky mess |
| 11:11.06 | Mr_Rabies | korra gets massive bonus points for doing something i never thought a kid's show could do with the ending of season 1 |
| 11:11.13 | Mr_Rabies | hoooooooly shit |
| 11:11.16 | Mr_Rabies | don't wanna spoil it |
| 11:11.20 | Mr_Rabies | but hooooooooly shit |
| 11:11.36 | Neffi | Don't. Not for my sake. I just watched season 1 again, after watching TLA |
| 11:11.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 11:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | it's mostly for random bystanders |
| 11:11.51 | Neffi | My tired brain can't remember what's happening. I'm about to put it back on and skim through. |
| 11:12.06 | Mr_Rabies | so they don't get spoiled |
| 11:12.25 | Neffi | It's really one of those shows that I'd fucking hate to have spoiled |
| 11:12.32 | Mr_Rabies | i love shows with two types of protagonists mostly |
| 11:12.46 | Neffi | I don't even care that much when somebody drops a GoT spoiler, even though it pisses me off |
| 11:12.51 | Mr_Rabies | incompetant protagonists that are stubborn and hilarious because everyone else has to develop around them |
| 11:12.57 | Neffi | But if somebody had spoiled the ending of TLA for me, I'd be out for blood |
| 11:13.05 | Mr_Rabies | and protagonists that are super hot blooded and quick to rush into a situation |
| 11:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | one of my favorite anime shows is generally disliked because the progatonist doesn't develop |
| 11:13.52 | Neffi | Oh yes, yes |
| 11:14.00 | Mr_Rabies | he literally just develops everyone else to accept his viewpoint over the course of like 40-50 episodes |
| 11:14.00 | Neffi | I know precisely what part you're talking about in Korra S1 |
| 11:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | macross 7 |
| 11:14.22 | Neffi | I was practically giddy when I first saw it, because the writers really DID DO THAT |
| 11:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's about a dude with a super-powerful giant robot with no weaponry that he pilots with a guitar |
| 11:14.43 | Mr_Rabies | and blasts music in the middle of battles, disrupting EVERYTHING |
| 11:14.51 | Mr_Rabies | both sides go home when he shows up |
| 11:14.55 | Mr_Rabies | because he's just that annoying |
| 11:14.59 | Neffi | lol |
| 11:15.03 | Mr_Rabies | instead of having missiles, he has speaker pods |
| 11:15.09 | Mr_Rabies | he launches them onto everyone's ships in space |
| 11:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | and blasts music |
| 11:15.38 | Mr_Rabies | overloads their comm circuit with his music he's playing LIVE in the middle of battle |
| 11:15.41 | Neffi | We need to start a petition that TLA should be re-produced in HD |
| 11:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | while dodging missiles and lasers, and everything |
| 11:15.49 | Neffi | Because Korra looks so fucking beautiful in HD |
| 11:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | digital reproduction is hella expensive |
| 11:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | we can only hope it was mastered in hd originally and just hasn't had a BD yet |
| 11:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | if not, they'd have to redraw EVERYTHING |
| 11:16.39 | Neffi | Yup |
| 11:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | because in 2005, not much was stored in vector |
| 11:16.54 | Neffi | I'd save up to buy those blurays |
| 11:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | even today it only rarely is |
| 11:17.06 | Mr_Rabies | mostly as rasters because after it's done with raw animation |
| 11:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | it goes into post to add lighting effects, etc |
| 11:17.18 | Neffi | It doesn't look like it was vector |
| 11:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | so we can only hope they at least saved the files as 1080p |
| 11:17.32 | Neffi | The backgrounds definitely were not. I believe the ywere hand-painted. |
| 11:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, digital compositing and stuff isn't THAT hard |
| 11:18.19 | Mr_Rabies | but redrawing everything probably isn't happening |
| 11:18.36 | Mr_Rabies | there's a digital ghetto from about 1998-2005 where almost everything produced then will look like garbage for all time |
| 11:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | longer, for live action tv |
| 11:18.50 | Mr_Rabies | since it was ALL mastered to video, pretty much |
| 11:18.50 | Neffi | sadly true |
| 11:19.03 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, 1995-2008 |
| 11:19.10 | Neffi | It's a grey area |
| 11:19.17 | Mr_Rabies | and live action probably 1980ish onwards |
| 11:19.17 | Neffi | It depends heavily on the studio, and individual piece |
| 11:19.36 | Neffi | There are early-2000s material that looks great on its Bluray release |
| 11:19.43 | Neffi | But it's the exception |
| 11:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | and even some stuff that was done on cels has issues |
| 11:19.50 | Mr_Rabies | because it was digitally scanned and then had post done |
| 11:19.55 | Mr_Rabies | like, cowboy bebop, for example |
| 11:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | the scenes that have digital effects look awful in the HD version, if i recall |
| 11:20.34 | Neffi | I was trying to explain this to my father recently, because he has no concept of why certain material looks so good, and other looks so bad, despite it all being released in HD |
| 11:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | garbage in, garbage out |
| 11:20.45 | Neffi | aye |
| 11:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | some people don't really get that concept |
| 11:20.52 | Mr_Rabies | they think in terms of film |
| 11:21.02 | Neffi | It's understandable |
| 11:21.17 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 11:21.41 | Neffi | Unless you study or work in certain feels that teach you the sentiment of garbage-in-garbage-out, everything is just too abstracted from the average person to understand how or why any of it works |
| 11:21.51 | Mr_Rabies | many people think you can just "blow it up" like a photo when you have the negative |
| 11:22.05 | Mr_Rabies | which is true, if you have a film master, to an extent |
| 11:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | that's why a lot of 70s-80s anime looks good on BD |
| 11:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | it was mastered to cinema-level film |
| 11:22.36 | Mr_Rabies | until the mid 90s, really |
| 11:22.44 | Neffi | It's similar with music, and that's how I explained it to him, since he's a musician |
| 11:23.00 | Neffi | It's sort of like The Who's My Generation vs Who Are You |
| 11:23.13 | Neffi | HUGe difference in the original production quality of both, and it shows in the remasters |
| 11:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 11:23.51 | Neffi | Who Are You sounds fantastic from his own CD copy that was remastered a few years back. But I havent found any copy of My Generation that even sounds bearable. |
| 11:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | for example: here's an anime OVA called giant robo from the early 90s: http://acacallis.com/giant_robo/giant_robo_BD_05.png |
| 11:24.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's the blu ray |
| 11:25.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://acacallis.com/giant_robo/giant_robo_R1DVD_05.png |
| 11:25.07 | Mr_Rabies | there's the same frame on the dvd |
| 11:25.10 | Neffi | looks disappointing |
| 11:25.11 | Neffi | (the first one) |
| 11:25.27 | Neffi | I mean, it's a step up |
| 11:25.34 | Mr_Rabies | nah, GR has a great master to blu-ray |
| 11:25.45 | Mr_Rabies | look at the detail on the paint for the logo |
| 11:25.48 | Neffi | They cleaned up the DVD a lot |
| 11:25.56 | Neffi | I'm look at the worst bits, really |
| 11:25.59 | Neffi | The blurry lines |
| 11:26.19 | Neffi | They obviously applied some filters to clean up the original source |
| 11:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | film has a different look to it than digital, for sure |
| 11:26.33 | Neffi | Yeah, the logo looks alright |
| 11:26.51 | Mr_Rabies | there's some grain removal |
| 11:26.54 | Mr_Rabies | but it's not too bad |
| 11:26.57 | Neffi | I'm so used to digital animation now that I don't have an eye for film animation |
| 11:27.04 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly would rather not have any grain removal |
| 11:27.12 | jleclanche | wow |
| 11:27.16 | Neffi | I mean, I'm looking at it on a monitor close up. I always watched film animation on a shitty TV |
| 11:27.48 | Neffi | I agree. I like the grain. |
| 11:27.50 | jleclanche | googling "nsa logo", top image search is EFF's modified NSA logo: https://www.eff.org/pages/eff-nsa-graphics |
| 11:28.10 | zenzio | aha |
| 11:28.45 | Neffi | Dammit, now I have to listen to The Who |
| 11:28.48 | Neffi | Won't leave my head |
| 11:29.44 | karl_w_w | will windows ever make file and printer sharing work properly? |
| 11:30.25 | Neffi | replace "file and printer sharing" with a wildcard |
| 11:30.27 | zenzio | Kaelten: no |
| 11:30.31 | zenzio | ... |
| 11:30.33 | zenzio | karl_w_w: ^ |
| 11:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | the ideon movie kept a lot of its film grain, it seems, neffi: http://i.easel.blolol.com/62fa590b.png |
| 11:31.58 | Mr_Rabies | for comparison to that above |
| 11:32.23 | Mr_Rabies | it has a denser grain, probably higher quality film |
| 11:39.04 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah, forgot to link this earlier, but this is that orc stain comic i mentioned: http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Orc-Stain-1-Page-4.jpg [possibly not work safe, there's a lot going on here and almost every page of orc stain has something potentially nsfw on it] :p |
| 11:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | well, other than the phallic buildings |
| 11:42.20 | Mr_Rabies | he also did a godzilla comic featuring easily 100% fewer genitals: http://walktwistedroad.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/godzilla34.jpg |
| 11:46.06 | karl_w_w | oh oh I thought of the best joke ever! |
| 11:46.18 | karl_w_w | you know you're addicted to wow when you're harrison jonesing |
| 11:47.14 | zenzio | I get the feeling there's some kind of word play at work there, but I don't get it... slang? |
| 11:50.17 | Neffi | Minecraft's gonna consume my damned life |
| 11:51.38 | karl_w_w | jonesing = craving drugs, harrison jones = wow archaeology character named after harrison ford/indiana jones, wow archaeology = very boring thing you'd only do if addicted to wow |
| 11:52.07 | zenzio | aha |
| 11:52.15 | Mr_Rabies | jonesing may have meant craving drugs at some point but nowadays it's shifted to just craving anything |
| 11:52.22 | nevcairiel | at least the harrison jones quests where always great |
| 11:52.31 | Mr_Rabies | "i'm jonesin' for a burger right now" |
| 11:52.33 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 11:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | wonder where that comes from |
| 11:52.49 | karl_w_w | most people I know recognise the root of it though |
| 11:53.05 | stuf | karl_w_w: well, archaeology is at least more exciting than fishing! |
| 11:53.08 | foxlit | nevcairiel: nothing but hate for those quests. |
| 11:53.12 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 11:53.20 | nevcairiel | i love the line in uldum |
| 11:53.25 | karl_w_w | that's doubtful |
| 11:53.26 | Mr_Rabies | seems like "jones" was slang for heroin at some point |
| 11:53.36 | karl_w_w | archaeology in mists is really bad |
| 11:53.36 | foxlit | take a few steps, unskippable cutscene. Take a few more steps, more unskippable cutscenes. |
| 11:53.38 | nevcairiel | totally ripped off indy story, but still fun |
| 11:53.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's not so much that it's bad, karl_w_w |
| 11:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's that it barely exists |
| 11:54.08 | foxlit | I basically avoid Uldum now. |
| 11:54.08 | karl_w_w | there's no cool rewards |
| 11:54.13 | karl_w_w | so no real carrot |
| 11:54.13 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i think the secondary professions need an overhaul more than anything else |
| 11:54.25 | Mr_Rabies | almost all of them are heavily flawed |
| 11:54.25 | karl_w_w | at least with fishing you get some nice golds, maybe a pet |
| 11:54.33 | Mr_Rabies | they really shouldn't even be professions anymore |
| 11:54.33 | nevcairiel | I did archaelogy mostly for those lvl 85 ilvl 470 weapons for leveling alts |
| 11:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | they should be converted into something like sunsong ranch |
| 11:54.54 | Mr_Rabies | where it's a thing you can do, but it's not like professions in the traditional sense |
| 11:55.01 | foxlit | gathering professions give you a reason to be out in the world. |
| 11:55.04 | Mr_Rabies | that'd open them up for more unique gameplay mechanics, too |
| 11:55.13 | nevcairiel | secondary professions dont block any slots, so the different is really just cosmetical |
| 11:55.20 | karl_w_w | -al |
| 11:55.24 | Mr_Rabies | i mean the secondary ones, foxlit |
| 11:55.28 | stuf | cooking was nice that they did upgrade it a bit in MOP, so that you could level it altogether in pandaria but... yeah. |
| 11:55.29 | foxlit | so first aid and cooking? |
| 11:55.33 | stuf | secondaries could use an overhaul. |
| 11:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | the primary ones need an overhaul too, but less so |
| 11:55.41 | Mr_Rabies | cooking is a total mess in MoP |
| 11:55.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's nice that you can get to MoP level easily |
| 11:55.56 | stuf | but the different mop "specialization" cookings... |
| 11:55.57 | stuf | ergh. |
| 11:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | but from there on out it's a total mess |
| 11:56.12 | nevcairiel | i leveld base cooking skill in mop, but didnt really do the spec things |
| 11:56.14 | foxlit | no, from there on it's a nice, gradual, approachable climb to the top |
| 11:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | and then the noodle carts make it even worse |
| 11:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | first aid, cooking, fishing, archaeology could all use some pretty decent overhauls |
| 11:57.17 | Mr_Rabies | moreso than the primary professions that need them as well |
| 11:57.23 | karl_w_w | I disagree |
| 11:57.40 | karl_w_w | the secondary ones are pretty bad, but they are secondary |
| 11:57.48 | karl_w_w | get the primary ones decent |
| 11:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | i think re: primary professions, the gathering ones should be removed and just given as baseline to everyone |
| 11:58.17 | foxlit | [I too approve of stealing GW2's gathering system.] |
| 11:58.17 | Mr_Rabies | including disenchanting |
| 11:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | does GW2 have that? |
| 11:58.25 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 11:58.34 | karl_w_w | enchanting is already the worst primary |
| 11:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | i noticed tera had it and that was one of a handful of features i liked in it |
| 11:58.39 | karl_w_w | you want to make it worse? |
| 11:58.39 | foxlit | [While we're there, nab their profession re-learning trick as well!] |
| 11:58.42 | Mr_Rabies | no karl_w_w |
| 11:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really the worst anymore |
| 11:58.54 | Mr_Rabies | since mats are so readily available it's cheap enough to level |
| 11:59.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say the worst is inscription after about a month of a new expansion release |
| 11:59.17 | Mr_Rabies | mats are easy, sure |
| 11:59.22 | karl_w_w | cheap-ish to level, no way to get gold out of it |
| 11:59.25 | Mr_Rabies | but the final product is nigh worthless |
| 11:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | eh, it's not too bad |
| 11:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | i made about 20k profit off of enchants the other weekend |
| 11:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | but my server's economy isn't really healthy |
| 11:59.57 | Mr_Rabies | so that might be different |
| 12:00.11 | Mr_Rabies | enchants are kind of labyrinthian at this point, which makes selling them awkward |
| 12:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | and the mats:power increase ratio is all over the place |
| 12:00.37 | karl_w_w | i guess your opinion of primaries depends on your server and your primaries |
| 12:00.44 | karl_w_w | from my pov, primaries are useless |
| 12:00.50 | Mr_Rabies | they are mostly useless, yeah |
| 12:00.59 | Mr_Rabies | some have more use than others though |
| 12:01.06 | Mr_Rabies | say, alchemy stays useful for most of an expansion |
| 12:01.10 | Mr_Rabies | until surplus really kicks in |
| 12:01.56 | Mr_Rabies | alchemy has transmutes which stay relevant for quite some time AND flasks which are made to last exactly 1 hour for most people, and then are consumed |
| 12:02.10 | Mr_Rabies | once you're at an end-expansion surplus, almost everything is worthless |
| 12:02.19 | Mr_Rabies | (other than playing the market, which is where the real gold's at anyway) |
| 12:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | only the plebs toil the fields while the fat cats like myself make it rich on their backs |
| 12:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | (this is partially a joke because i personally am way too lazy to really play the AH, but i do have a pretty fat stack o' spacebux) |
| 12:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | and the real money is in exploiting the workforce's labor |
| 12:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | which is drying up as blizzard wins more lawsuits and my server's population dwindles |
| 12:04.10 | Mr_Rabies | which is kind of bittersweet |
| 12:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | haven't really seen any bots since cata when they were roaming the fields of uldum under the ground at a billion yards per second |
| 12:05.24 | Mr_Rabies | i miss going to tyr's hand and fearbombing the gold farmers' mobs :( |
| 12:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | that was one of my favorite activities in vanilla, but those were mostly manually played, it seems |
| 12:06.20 | Mr_Rabies | considering all the yelling they did in broken english :X |
| 12:07.08 | Mr_Rabies | i do feel kinda bad now because those guys were getting paid next to nothing to act as slaves, but at the time they were a public nuisance and i hadn't considered it :( |
| 12:07.14 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro1 (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 12:07.16 | Mr_Rabies | okay it's 7am and i'm talking to myself yeehaw |
| 12:07.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's usually a sign that i should have been asleep hours ago |
| 12:12.02 | karl_w_w | you're not really, I'm just to scared of missing leafmender to participate :P |
| 12:13.02 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotten lazy on the isle |
| 12:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | though it is a great resource to level alts |
| 12:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | once i get mine to 90 i might share my secret :p |
| 12:13.44 | karl_w_w | really? how'sat? |
| 12:13.54 | karl_w_w | meanie |
| 12:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | it's about 10-15 mil exp per hour depending on class/spec |
| 12:14.37 | Mr_Rabies | well, rested |
| 12:14.40 | karl_w_w | tagging the celestials or something? |
| 12:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | nah, there's some mobs you can aoe down pretty easily as long as you have enough hp to survive their attack |
| 12:15.29 | Mr_Rabies | turns out the "trivial" mobs with the smaller hp bars on default unit frames give as much exp as equal-level normal mobs |
| 12:15.43 | karl_w_w | the maggot things? |
| 12:15.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah yeah okay :p |
| 12:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | the silkworms |
| 12:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | they're in groups of 10, have about 80k hp each, and give about 35k rested exp |
| 12:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | per |
| 12:16.34 | Mr_Rabies | in tightly packed groups |
| 12:17.15 | Mr_Rabies | my unholy dk could solo them at about level 87 |
| 12:17.22 | karl_w_w | sounds too much like hard work |
| 12:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | but bringing an ungrouped friend is easier |
| 12:17.39 | karl_w_w | and probably slower than monkey runs |
| 12:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | we got our healer's alt from 89-90 in about 45 minutes |
| 12:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | and she was just casting hurricane |
| 12:18.44 | Mr_Rabies | what are monkey runs anyway? i thought they nerfed them, if it's the first part of stormstout brewery |
| 12:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | unless i totally misunderstood what they are |
| 12:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | and are they really more than 10-15 million exp per hour? D: |
| 12:19.54 | karl_w_w | so new feature, if you close the loot window on a rare without looting something, it uses the lfr loot system to give them all to you |
| 12:20.05 | karl_w_w | so what's the point in the loot window at all |
| 12:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of inconsistent |
| 12:20.28 | Mr_Rabies | the boat randomly vomits part of its loot at me sometimes |
| 12:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | as does evermaw |
| 12:20.38 | Mr_Rabies | but sometimes it's only some of it |
| 12:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | and it'll be when i haven't even gotten close enough to loot it sometimes |
| 12:21.16 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is it's supposed to only automatically give you currency |
| 12:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | but it's awkward and even misses that sometimes |
| 12:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | and that leads to weirdness where you might have loot on the mob still that you thought you got |
| 12:22.52 | karl_w_w | it's changed now |
| 12:23.19 | karl_w_w | it would do that partial vomiting thing before, now it's every time I close the loot window |
| 12:23.32 | Mr_Rabies | hm |
| 12:23.40 | Mr_Rabies | must have been fixed since i left the isle |
| 12:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | i think i've been watching too much Arrow |
| 12:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | i kind of marathonned the first season a few weeks ago |
| 12:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | and have been following the latest episodes as they hit the cw website |
| 12:24.49 | Mr_Rabies | and now i'm saying things like "since i left the isle" |
| 12:25.21 | foxlit | karl_w_w: I think it's both. |
| 12:25.37 | foxlit | It sometimes still throws loot at you without the window. It now also throws loot at you if you close the window without looting stuff. |
| 12:26.41 | foxlit | maybe they're trying to work around whichever madness is preventing normal looting of shared-tap mobs -- the "Object is Busy" errors are painful. |
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| 13:07.51 | karl_w_w | clearly the undead racial is not overpowered at all |
| 13:08.17 | karl_w_w | that's why you don't see all these triple undead teams which have no synergy |
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| 13:20.07 | Ironi | any ideas how i could hide the 15/30/45/60/75/90 numbers from talent tree? |
| 13:23.38 | karl_w_w | find out how it's made in framexml, and undo that |
| 13:38.09 | Ironi | im kinda new to xml, but i think i found it |
| 13:38.56 | Ironi | since the fontstrings name is "$parentLevel" and parent frame name is "PlayerTalentRowTemplate", should the frame name be PlayerTalentRowTemplateLevel ? |
| 13:49.33 | Ironi | nvm it seems that xml doesn't work like that at all, but found it anyways |
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| 14:07.42 | nevcairiel | why cant there be a useful schedule for the blizzcon panels. The official one doesnt translate times, and the MMO one lacks a convenient time-slot layout |
| 14:07.50 | nevcairiel | MMO-C one* |
| 14:08.42 | foxlit | because there are no competent fan sites? :) |
| 14:09.16 | nevcairiel | basically all i need is blizzard to implement time translation :p |
| 14:09.25 | foxlit | let's hack it and do so. |
| 14:09.32 | nevcairiel | or try to remember the pst offset |
| 14:09.34 | foxlit | I mean, they're already running jQuery; you're only a bookmarklet away |
| 14:10.05 | foxlit | nevcairiel: what time do you actually want? |
| 14:10.12 | nevcairiel | cet |
| 14:10.21 | foxlit | http://eu.battle.net/blizzcon/en/event-info/schedule/friday-schedule |
| 14:10.46 | nevcairiel | hm ok, i was just given the damn US link :p |
| 14:11.05 | nevcairiel | although it wouldnt be the first time that blizz included PST times on their EU pages |
| 14:13.12 | NuSuey | damn.. less than 4 hours till blizzcon ..WWOOOOOO |
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| 14:21.50 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 14:22.03 | Fisker | you useless german people finally got my Nexus 5 over the border |
| 14:22.16 | nevcairiel | yeah i couldnt stop them any longer |
| 14:22.16 | Fisker | Too bad I probably won't see it before monday/tuesday though |
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| 14:28.00 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.41 | karl_w_w | indeed it is, nobody would ever want to put power into a data port or vice versa ;) |
| 14:47.10 | nevcairiel | i'm sure he mant sata power port :p |
| 14:47.23 | nevcairiel | still seems rather useless |
| 14:48.12 | karl_w_w | woo 4 hours to blizzcon. not woo 4 hours to 3am |
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| 14:55.15 | Fisker | obviously so you can run it from a daisy chain of fans nevcairiel |
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| 15:11.51 | karl_w_w | Fisker knows! |
| 15:12.01 | karl_w_w | I still don't, but Fisker appears to |
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| 15:21.35 | g0urra | hello |
| 15:22.42 | Ressy | Morning g0urra.. Heard you had some problems with your hotel |
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| 15:22.59 | g0urra | yep. their wifi has been fucked up for 3 months |
| 15:23.03 | Ressy | lovely |
| 15:23.08 | g0urra | and they hadn't notified me at any time prior to my arrival |
| 15:23.35 | g0urra | so now I'm in the lobby at a nearby hotel, for complimentary wifi |
| 15:23.49 | Fisker | hello g0urra |
| 15:23.51 | g0urra | hopefully they'll move me to this hotel later |
| 15:24.16 | Fisker | Maybe you should've known beforehand that their wifi was fucked |
| 15:24.20 | Fisker | or offered to fix it |
| 15:24.49 | g0urra | ha. ha. no |
| 15:24.50 | g0urra | fu Fisker |
| 15:25.13 | karl_w_w | partial refund time |
| 15:25.21 | Fisker | my Nexus 5 won't be here until monday at the earliest |
| 15:25.29 | Fisker | give me more pictures of you being mean to me |
| 15:25.33 | karl_w_w | how does it take 3 fucking months to fix wifi |
| 15:25.46 | g0urra | nearby construction |
| 15:25.49 | Ressy | cuz nobody cares? |
| 15:26.04 | g0urra | which, by the looks of it, should not have taken 3 months at this stage |
| 15:26.18 | Fisker | How does nearby construction ruin their wifi? |
| 15:26.29 | Fisker | do they even know what wifi is? |
| 15:26.30 | Ressy | unless that construction took out a fiber line, it shouldn't be causing problems.. |
| 15:26.35 | g0urra | karl_w_w: I asked the receptionist to be moved to this hotel for no extra charge, he'd check with the manager when he gets in at 9 |
| 15:26.38 | Fisker | fiber isn't wifi Ressy |
| 15:26.40 | Ressy | even then, the fiber line should've been patched same-day. |
| 15:26.51 | Ressy | Fisker, if their entire internet is down, could be from fiber cut. |
| 15:26.57 | Fisker | yes I know |
| 15:27.10 | Fisker | Then the appropriate response is "Our wifi is fine, retards cut our line" |
| 15:27.10 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:27.17 | g0urra | well the strange thing is that I could partially use the hotel's wifi |
| 15:27.22 | g0urra | for skype and google hangout |
| 15:27.34 | g0urra | but for everything else it's completely unusable |
| 15:27.37 | Fisker | they forgot to reboot the radius server |
| 15:27.38 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:27.40 | Ressy | yes well.. Receptionists aren't that bright. To them "Wifi is down" could really be "We have no internet." |
| 15:27.45 | karl_w_w | the nearby construction work is on the world's largest electromagnet |
| 15:27.56 | g0urra | lol |
| 15:27.59 | Fisker | oh yeah true Ressy |
| 15:28.15 | Fisker | but maybe the reception got told by someone with a brain what the problem was |
| 15:28.36 | haste | doesn't mean that they can relay it Fisker |
| 15:28.42 | Fisker | Though I must admit I've seen my fair share of "The internet doesn't work" only to find a dropped laptop with a cracked screen |
| 15:28.55 | Fisker | or blown power supply |
| 15:29.14 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 15:29.17 | Fisker | you and me |
| 15:29.19 | Fisker | we're gonna finish this |
| 15:29.31 | haste | until the end of the world? |
| 15:31.23 | Fisker | maybe |
| 15:33.44 | Fisker | so g0urra |
| 15:33.48 | Fisker | seen thundgot there? |
| 15:33.55 | g0urra | uh no |
| 15:34.01 | Fisker | uh ok |
| 15:34.44 | g0urra | I barely know who it is |
| 15:35.39 | karl_w_w | it's me you bastard, I'm looking right at you! |
| 15:35.50 | g0urra | uh huh.. :P |
| 15:36.09 | g0urra | what shirt am I wearing? |
| 15:36.19 | karl_w_w | you aren't wearing a shirt |
| 15:36.34 | g0urra | right |
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| 16:18.38 | Lopeppeppy | la la la la la la la la lunchtiiiiime! |
| 16:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | Where the FK did the morning go, Fisker? |
| 16:19.03 | Fisker | I don't even know Lopeppeppy |
| 16:19.11 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: On vacation |
| 16:19.14 | amro | out for lunch, probably |
| 16:19.16 | Fisker | Did you sleep it away? |
| 16:20.39 | Fisker | Did you have a fun time yesterday? |
| 16:33.21 | TC-Work | No phone yet Fisker? |
| 16:33.49 | Fisker | nope TC-Work |
| 16:34.05 | TC-Work | Tell them to swim faster |
| 16:34.13 | Fisker | they don't need to swim |
| 16:34.20 | Neffi_ | you'll get it someday, Fisker |
| 16:34.25 | Fisker | Indeed |
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| 16:35.44 | Neffi | lol http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/youtube-cofounder-breaks-8-year-absence-on-site-to-gripe-about-comment-policy/ |
| 16:35.48 | Neffi | my sentiments exactly |
| 16:36.01 | TC-Work | You joined to post that didnt you? |
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| 16:38.58 | Fisker | that's dumb Neffi |
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| 16:57.38 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, Hello Dolly was awesome! But I totally have a "I stayed out too late" hangover. |
| 16:57.46 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:00.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSLOnR1s74o fuck blizzcon, time to feel christmassy! |
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| 17:03.50 | Fisker | Atleast my Nexus 5 is in the country'ish Lopeppeppy :) |
| 17:07.28 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/1288/ <-yeah I figure there's already an extension that does this already? |
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| 17:08.37 | TC-Work | Agreed Fisker |
| 17:09.04 | foxlit | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/xkcd-substitutions/jkgogmboalmaijfgfhfepckdgjeopfhk?hl=en&gl=001 |
| 17:09.34 | Fisker | of course |
| 17:12.47 | karl_w_w | genius way of passing the time to the opening ceremony: watch kick ass 2 |
| 17:14.30 | nicoli_s | i enjoyed kick ass 2 |
| 17:14.47 | Fisker | I didn't |
| 17:18.18 | nicoli_s | of course not you are a monster |
| 17:19.10 | Fisker | Nope |
| 17:19.57 | Fisker | Why did you enjoy it so much nicoli_s? |
| 17:20.11 | TC-Work | I didn't either |
| 17:20.29 | Fisker | you are a monster TC-Work |
| 17:20.55 | TC-Work | I know |
| 17:22.35 | nicoli_s | thought jim carrey was pretty funny, decent action |
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| 17:25.18 | Lopeppeppy | hijack's Fisker's phone off the truck. Ha! |
| 17:25.20 | Fisker | I don't think it held up anywhere near the original |
| 17:25.26 | Fisker | mean Lopeppeppy |
| 17:25.39 | Fisker | Guess I'll have to take out my ginger detector |
| 17:26.39 | Fisker | It wasn't particularily bad, but it was kinda meh nicoli_s |
| 17:27.38 | Fisker | infact |
| 17:27.44 | Fisker | lets Lopeppeppy escape |
| 17:27.51 | Fisker | You're not using Android |
| 17:27.55 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 17:27.57 | Fisker | now* |
| 17:30.48 | nicoli_s | fisker: that i can agree on |
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| 17:30.57 | nicoli_s | it wasnt the best but i didnt pay for it so i cant complain too much |
| 17:31.54 | Semlar | does anyone know how the tradeskill window works |
| 17:31.56 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:32.03 | Fisker | it's a list Semlar |
| 17:32.11 | Semlar | how does it select the tradeskill to display? |
| 17:32.24 | Semlar | i'm just trying to get a list of what recipes you have |
| 17:32.30 | Lopeppeppy | Damn. Foiled again. |
| 17:32.51 | Semlar | the functions appear to require you to select a tradeskill first but i can't figure out what does that |
| 17:33.04 | Ackis | whistles innocently. |
| 17:33.16 | Fisker | Yeah Lopeppeppy |
| 17:33.25 | Fisker | But atleast you don't get motion sickness now |
| 17:34.30 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:34.32 | Fisker | at blizzcon? |
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| 17:35.26 | Primer | Semlar: One addon I use that does stuff with the tradeskill window is Ackis Recipe List |
| 17:35.41 | Primer | Perhaps someone here know about that addon... |
| 17:35.48 | Semlar | surely not |
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| 17:41.17 | Ackis | Fisker: nope |
| 17:41.20 | Fisker | sucks |
| 17:41.22 | Ackis | Fisker: I broke 1k games on steam |
| 17:41.31 | Fisker | loser |
| 17:41.34 | Ackis | aye |
| 17:41.40 | Ackis | but I got a new badge for 1k games |
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| 17:41.57 | Ackis | Semlar: what are you trying to do again? coles notes please |
| 17:41.59 | Semlar | ackis how do you select what tradeskill is displayed in the window |
| 17:42.02 | Fisker | pretty god damn terrible to be so obsessed with badges and games Ackis |
| 17:42.23 | Ackis | Fisker: I know eh? |
| 17:42.30 | Fisker | I wouldn't know |
| 17:42.33 | Semlar | since all the functions appear to rely on you having selected an active tradeskill |
| 17:42.37 | Ackis | Semlar: as in you want to magically load up the tradeskill or determine what is being shown? |
| 17:42.46 | Fisker | for another 20ish games |
| 17:42.47 | Ackis | e.g. are you going for a quick launch type dealy? |
| 17:42.47 | Semlar | well, i need a list of your recipes |
| 17:42.56 | Semlar | i don't actually want to display anything |
| 17:43.35 | Ackis | that isn't as easy, iirc you have to have the tradeskill window open in order to do a scan |
| 17:43.48 | Semlar | o.O |
| 17:44.23 | Ackis | it's the reason why on Ackis Recipe List the scan button is on the tradeskill versus having a "What da fuq amimissing?" button |
| 17:45.17 | Semlar | do you know what function actually sets the tradeskill window to a tradeskill? |
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| 17:45.45 | Ackis | e.g. you're viewing alchemy and you want to magically change it to engineering? |
| 17:46.06 | Semlar | like clicking one of the profession buttons in the spellbook |
| 17:46.26 | Semlar | i'm digging through the spellbook code but it's kind of evasive |
| 17:47.15 | Ackis | my original implementation (a couple years ago) was CastSpellByName I believe, let me look if Torhal did anything major to it, you could also look at his addon ARL_QuickScan I believe it's called |
| 17:47.59 | Semlar | so.. you actually have to cast something to open the profession window? |
| 17:48.06 | Semlar | what! |
| 17:48.25 | Ackis | it's a spell |
| 17:48.45 | Semlar | alright |
| 17:48.56 | Semlar | i can work with that |
| 17:48.58 | Ackis | e.g. GetSpellInfo(20219) is engineering |
| 17:49.11 | Semlar | my tooltip says 110403 |
| 17:49.24 | foxlit | doesn't matter. |
| 17:49.25 | Ackis | there's multiple versions, one for each level |
| 17:49.27 | foxlit | Until Germans happen. |
| 17:49.37 | Ackis | french are worse than germans IMO |
| 17:49.49 | foxlit | Because they once localized different ranks of trade skills to different names. |
| 17:50.04 | Semlar | sounds like something they'd do |
| 17:50.20 | Semlar | you can CastSpellByID can't you? |
| 17:50.57 | Semlar | like /run CastSpellByID(110403) |
| 17:51.05 | Semlar | seems to work |
| 17:51.43 | foxlit | that's even worse, isn't it? |
| 17:51.58 | foxlit | What happens if I don't have that specific rank of the profession? |
| 17:52.01 | Semlar | well, you can get the id of the spell from their spellbook |
| 17:52.03 | Shirik | so |
| 17:52.08 | Shirik | IE, Inori edition, has been released |
| 17:52.15 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/f13d25e2b8e547dafff441ae89db16eb |
| 17:52.18 | Ackis | wicked http://alberta.ca/release.cfm?xID=35339350A7DF6-C96D-A3E3-26C501404F7F83AE |
| 17:52.25 | Ackis | I'll donate my organ to you Shirik |
| 17:52.34 | Shirik | why |
| 17:52.48 | Ackis | foxlit: I don't think it matters (rank wise), haven't tried it but with ARL we just used the lowest rank |
| 17:52.57 | Ackis | Shirik: sexual innuendo |
| 17:53.18 | Shirik | why |
| 17:53.29 | foxlit | Ackis: if you're ask by name, the client saves you by remapping it to the spell you know. |
| 17:53.48 | Semlar | but but the localization! |
| 17:54.26 | Fisker | It is time Shirik |
| 17:54.35 | Fisker | gets out the cuffs |
| 17:54.38 | Fisker | plays a sad song |
| 17:54.51 | Fisker | cuffs himself to the bed |
| 17:55.57 | Ackis | Shirik: why aren't you at blizzcon? |
| 17:56.11 | Ackis | Semlar: GetSpellInfo(xxxx) == localized name |
| 17:56.17 | Ackis | or one of the return values is |
| 17:56.21 | Shirik | don't have ticket, too expensive to go down just for the weekend |
| 17:56.46 | Semlar | yeah but it just seems like an extra step |
| 18:04.50 | Semlar | i'm assuming you can't get the reagent cost if you don't know the spell or scan over the guild for it |
| 18:05.55 | foxlit | I think you should hardcode everything. |
| 18:07.18 | Semlar | it might be simpler |
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| 18:19.14 | Fisker | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:21.08 | Lopeppeppy | I'm drowning in stupid "Fix it Friday" crap. Argh. |
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| 18:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | I hate fridays for just this reason. |
| 18:37.02 | Fisker | yeah me too |
| 18:37.12 | Fisker | The good thing about is that my friday is only 5 hours :D |
| 18:37.43 | Fisker | But todays friday was filled with "fix this, fix that, fix this thing in particular" |
| 18:37.57 | Fisker | time to start working on what I actually get paid for, aaaaand the days gone |
| 18:38.11 | Fisker | Well I guess that's almost every day for me now :( |
| 18:53.09 | karl_w_w | plan successfully executed |
| 18:54.45 | Lopeppeppy | Who are we executing? |
| 18:55.00 | karl_w_w | the plan |
| 18:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | I have a plan! It involves the umbrellas and little swords from the drinks that people are going to bring back for me, from Blizzcon. |
| 18:57.56 | Ressy | whoa |
| 18:58.06 | Ressy | WoW Expansion is on the computers there |
| 18:59.58 | karl_w_w | so how exactly do I access the virtual ticket streams? |
| 19:00.18 | nevcairiel | buy a ticket, go to blizzcon.com and click on the button |
| 19:00.43 | karl_w_w | ah, http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/live-stream/ |
| 19:00.47 | karl_w_w | there is no button |
| 19:01.04 | karl_w_w | it's not working properly for a bunch of people |
| 19:01.06 | nevcairiel | blizzcon.com -> click "virtual ticket" button in the menu? :p |
| 19:01.20 | Ressy | opening is free tho.. |
| 19:01.25 | nevcairiel | its slightly lagging for me |
| 19:01.43 | nevcairiel | they should get rid of the free shit |
| 19:01.46 | nevcairiel | overloads the servers |
| 19:01.55 | karl_w_w | doing that just leads you to the ad nevcairiel |
| 19:02.00 | karl_w_w | as if you haven't bought it |
| 19:02.02 | nevcairiel | not if you are logged in |
| 19:02.34 | nevcairiel | if you're logged in it goes to the link you linked |
| 19:02.53 | karl_w_w | right I'm not logged in, I'm that fucking stupid |
| 19:02.56 | karl_w_w | ^sarcasm |
| 19:03.04 | nevcairiel | apparently you are :P |
| 19:03.57 | nevcairiel | still lags sometimes |
| 19:04.02 | nevcairiel | silly cdn isnt up to snuff |
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| 19:06.27 | karl_w_w | mike's just thinking "fuck man why did we have do get so big, I don't wanna do all these speeches all the time!" |
| 19:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | he's definitely less nervous than gabe newell up there |
| 19:08.35 | Mr_Rabies | gabe gets visibly nervous and by the end of his speeches looks like spaghetti is gonna blast out of his pockets at any point |
| 19:10.31 | karl_w_w | I wish I played SC2 so I could understand it enough to watch it :P |
| 19:13.47 | TC-Work | I don't get it, the 'live' stream is caching.... |
| 19:15.28 | Ressy | it shows over an hour in the future as 'live' |
| 19:17.05 | Mr_Rabies | is this announcer clancy brown? |
| 19:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | because it sounds like mister crabs |
| 19:17.08 | karl_w_w | ben brode announcing |
| 19:17.10 | karl_w_w | awesome |
| 19:17.28 | karl_w_w | he's on the hearthstone team |
| 19:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | you are |
| 19:17.53 | Mr_Rabies | jerk |
| 19:20.46 | Mr_Rabies | >classic diablo riding a rainbow pony |
| 19:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | YES |
| 19:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | GOTYAY |
| 19:21.51 | Mr_Rabies | wow, that art design |
| 19:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | is simply amazing |
| 19:23.18 | karl_w_w | woo quests! |
| 19:24.43 | Mr_Rabies | i love moba games but i hate their playerbase |
| 19:24.43 | karl_w_w | stream gradually getting louder |
| 19:24.55 | Mr_Rabies | they need to do something to fix the moba community :| |
| 19:25.01 | karl_w_w | I like that blizzard haven't used the term moba |
| 19:25.03 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 19:25.06 | karl_w_w | beta tiem |
| 19:25.28 | TC-Work | No, it is not the games responsibility to fix the community |
| 19:26.08 | Mr_Rabies | certainly it is if they want people to play it |
| 19:26.32 | karl_w_w | up is what! |
| 19:26.42 | Mr_Rabies | have community rating tools, etc |
| 19:26.48 | TC-Work | No, it is not the companies job to keep people from being shitstains. |
| 19:27.09 | Mr_Rabies | mobas will never expand their userbase until they clean up the community |
| 19:27.11 | TC-Work | Also since Leauge is claiming to have the largest playerbase you might be wrong |
| 19:27.42 | Mr_Rabies | League counts a lot of dead accounts in that claim :p |
| 19:27.46 | Fisker | cool Lopeppeppy |
| 19:27.53 | Fisker | umbrellas |
| 19:28.17 | Mr_Rabies | why shouldn't they make an effort, at least, TC-Work? |
| 19:28.31 | Mr_Rabies | i want to play these games but the toxic community totally kills them for me |
| 19:28.52 | TC-Work | Maybe because people want to play it without someone telling me how to play it |
| 19:28.59 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, I see Blizzcon! |
| 19:29.02 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah |
| 19:29.09 | TC-Work | "Riot reports that League of Legends boasts 32 million monthly active players, with 12 million playing daily." |
| 19:29.19 | TC-Work | Like I said, alleged. |
| 19:29.19 | Mr_Rabies | but if you're a jerk, you don't really deserve any free rides |
| 19:29.28 | Mr_Rabies | the game should group jerks with jerks exclusively |
| 19:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | if you're rated enough as a jerk, you get thrown in the jerk playlist until you atone for your crimes |
| 19:30.00 | Fisker | I'm seeing chat scrolling Lopeppeppy |
| 19:30.02 | foxlit | jerks are multidimensional, though. |
| 19:30.36 | Mr_Rabies | if you're calling people "fucking feeding faggots" you probably should be excluded from the community |
| 19:30.45 | Mr_Rabies | maybe disable their chat, etc |
| 19:30.46 | Lopeppeppy | Depends where your cursor is, Fisker. If your cursor isn't active, there's no chat scroll for me. |
| 19:31.14 | TC-Work | Sometimes people get mad. It should only be done for consistant things |
| 19:31.20 | Fisker | Not here Lopeppeppy |
| 19:31.25 | Fisker | On this blizzcon channel |
| 19:31.38 | Fisker | i'm getting motion sickness from it |
| 19:31.39 | Fisker | woo |
| 19:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | My browser sucks. And I can't have sound anyway, so watching a guy wave his hands isn't too awesome. :) |
| 19:31.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, TC-Work |
| 19:31.50 | Mr_Rabies | even then |
| 19:32.01 | Mr_Rabies | there's no reason to help people that use that kind of language |
| 19:32.02 | TC-Work | You are saying one time and thats it? |
| 19:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | no, i never said that |
| 19:32.20 | Mr_Rabies | i said "if you're rated enough of a jerk" |
| 19:32.29 | Mr_Rabies | a sliding scale of sorts |
| 19:32.50 | TC-Work | Or just play ARAM |
| 19:33.06 | Mr_Rabies | basically, there's no reason to sacrifice players that might bolster the MOBA community for the benefit of toxic people |
| 19:33.06 | Primer | What's to stop people from mounting a false jerk campaign against you? |
| 19:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | that's why it's a sliding scale, primer |
| 19:33.27 | Mr_Rabies | and of course it'd have to be moderated like GM tickets |
| 19:33.46 | Mr_Rabies | false reports would lead to penalties of their own |
| 19:33.52 | karl_w_w | fucking android u faggot |
| 19:33.58 | TC-Work | HAH |
| 19:33.58 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: and of course it'd have to be moderated like GM tickets << ew. |
| 19:34.01 | karl_w_w | that's the one |
| 19:34.07 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps slide your "jerk scale" towards the jerk side |
| 19:34.10 | TC-Work | No windows? BS! |
| 19:34.11 | Ressy | WOOT! ANDROID! |
| 19:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | why "ew," foxlit |
| 19:34.28 | foxlit | Because human moderation by hired staff does not scale. |
| 19:34.28 | Primer | Anyone here have a chromecast? I'm trying to find things for it to do, but netflix and casting my desktop alone just aren't cutting it |
| 19:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | they've gotta make an effort |
| 19:34.50 | TC-Work | WoW movie (tm) |
| 19:35.01 | Fisker | this is killing me |
| 19:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | they can't just spend all that time and money making a game and go "welp the community sucks but we're not gonna do anything about it, sry brah" |
| 19:35.20 | karl_w_w | u can opt into heroes beta now |
| 19:35.31 | Fisker | you could opt into it a week ago karl_w_w |
| 19:35.38 | TC-Work | Well they can. |
| 19:35.40 | karl_w_w | you are lying |
| 19:35.46 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: I'm only saying that manual human moderation does not work currently, and will not work at scale in the future |
| 19:35.50 | karl_w_w | because I tried 2 minutes ago and you couldn't |
| 19:35.53 | foxlit | I'm all for doing some kind of learning, automated system. |
| 19:35.55 | Fisker | nope karl_w_w |
| 19:35.58 | Mr_Rabies | why doesn't it, foxlit |
| 19:36.04 | Fisker | You couldn't |
| 19:36.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's working okay in WoW |
| 19:36.06 | Fisker | I could |
| 19:36.08 | Fisker | boom |
| 19:36.27 | foxlit | You don't see those mountains of "I reported guy X, but nothing happened!!!!!1" threads? |
| 19:36.28 | Mr_Rabies | it works pretty well on xbox live when people actually use the reporting tools |
| 19:36.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, sure |
| 19:36.41 | foxlit | "Why don't you moderate chat channels?!" |
| 19:36.45 | Mr_Rabies | it takes time to work, foxlit |
| 19:37.11 | Mr_Rabies | GIANT NECK ONSCREEN |
| 19:38.33 | Fisker | why is he stalling so much? |
| 19:38.52 | karl_w_w | epic buildup? |
| 19:38.55 | Kesava | blizzard |
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| 19:39.47 | Mr_Rabies | he's gonna be like "remember that time jeff ninjad the loot from c'thun and gquit?" |
| 19:40.15 | Fisker | Did everyone notice how there wasn't any events past TBC? |
| 19:40.15 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 19:40.37 | foxlit | you mean past vanilla, surely |
| 19:41.13 | Fisker | well he included the dark portal |
| 19:41.17 | Gnarfone | Do eet |
| 19:41.20 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/dPp02vq.jpg |
| 19:41.20 | Mr_Rabies | there were world events certainly, they just weren't like AQ |
| 19:41.21 | Fisker | hey Gnarfone |
| 19:41.29 | Fisker | exactly Mr_Rabies |
| 19:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | AQ only really stood out BECAUSE it was shortsightedly designed |
| 19:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | metzen just did allllllllllllllllll the cocaine |
| 19:42.45 | Fisker | AQ wasn't the only memorable event |
| 19:42.53 | Fisker | And it wasn't a particularily good one in my opinion |
| 19:43.04 | karl_w_w | yeah, all of it |
| 19:43.48 | Mr_Rabies | logo cleverly placed for optimal animation to the new one |
| 19:44.10 | Mr_Rabies | metzen's gonna jump into the screen and turn into the new logo |
| 19:44.16 | Fisker | horde master race |
| 19:46.33 | Mr_Rabies | let's see if metzen gets pumped enough to drop some f-bombs in the opening ceremonies this year |
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| 19:50.28 | Fisker | mad karl_w_w ? |
| 19:52.18 | Mr_Rabies | put that on the box |
| 19:54.05 | Kesava | i'm glad they stopped using the builtin animations for their machinimas. |
| 19:54.14 | Kesava | that always jarred me. |
| 19:54.44 | Kesava | while this one guy makes BLIND, they come out with the wrathgate |
| 19:54.46 | Kesava | etc /rant |
| 19:55.53 | karl_w_w | so i guess the draenei are finally going to get some involvement in wow |
| 19:56.05 | Kesava | yay |
| 19:56.27 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, the temple of karabor's assault is a pretty big deal i'd guess :p |
| 19:59.11 | Kesava | wait did it say new character models? |
| 19:59.14 | Kesava | i was too busy ranting |
| 19:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 19:59.17 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:59.19 | Kesava | yay |
| 20:00.08 | Ackis | Bibi has let me down with the new wow expansion |
| 20:03.29 | nicoli_s | how so? |
| 20:04.02 | nicoli_s | i ocasionally get to yell at bibi in person, tell me your angers and i will present them to him when i see him |
| 20:06.24 | karl_w_w | mike morhaime saying just the right words to seem like he knows or cares what's going on in the sc2 competitive scene :P |
| 20:06.42 | nevcairiel | maybe he does care |
| 20:06.45 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 20:07.57 | Ackis | nicoli_s: he told me wrong infos like a year ago |
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| 20:19.31 | karl_w_w | gotta wonder why you can't watch the virtual ticket streams on the mobile app |
| 20:20.14 | karl_w_w | guess it's a security thing |
| 20:20.22 | Fisker | lol Ackis |
| 20:26.12 | Ackis | I wonder if the garrisons are server specific or player specific |
| 20:26.44 | nevcairiel | some people are hoping guild specific, but i have no idea what makes more sense really |
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| 20:33.20 | Mr_Rabies | they're player-specific, ackis |
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| 20:34.19 | Mr_Rabies | jesus this pic they're using of kargath is frazetta as all hell http://us.battle.net/wow/static/images/warlords-of-draenor-6y1fz/portrait-kargath-large.jpg |
| 20:38.29 | alestane | dances with Lopeppeppy. |
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| 20:40.38 | Mr_Rabies | NAKED ANGRY PARTY TIEM http://media.blizzard.com/wow/warlords-of-draenor-6y1fz/models/orc/image-2-full.jpg |
| 20:43.06 | Semlar | Ackis: i don't suppose i can rely on all of the recipes actually being available on TRADE_SKILL_SHOW |
| 20:43.25 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:43.36 | Fisker | free dinner |
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| 20:56.29 | karl_w_w | oh thank fuck they fixed the background noise |
| 20:58.57 | Fisker | lol hide subtitles |
| 20:59.02 | Fisker | bye |
| 21:03.13 | foxlit | it's the same clouds. Everywhere. |
| 21:05.25 | Semlar | it turns out CastSpellByName is protected |
| 21:05.30 | Sintacks | dud |
| 21:05.31 | Sintacks | duh* |
| 21:05.35 | foxlit | duh! |
| 21:05.37 | Sintacks | Cast* is protected |
| 21:05.58 | foxlit | it's ultra-super-kind-of-protected. |
| 21:06.22 | Sintacks | you can *cough* un *cough* lock *cough* it though *cougH* |
| 21:06.26 | Sintacks | coughs |
| 21:06.48 | Sintacks | but that would be against the tou etc etc and cheating etc etc |
| 21:07.24 | Semlar | this makes it somewhat more complicated to fetch your recipe list |
| 21:07.29 | foxlit | but dammit, those skyboxes are bugging me. Everything looks like some 2D images are slowly moving across the horizon. |
| 21:07.48 | zenzelezz | ... so, after upgrading my PC, my mic barely registers even at 100% input volume, +30 (max) boost... sigh |
| 21:08.55 | Sintacks | that sucks |
| 21:09.06 | Semlar | clicking on a profession link can't possibly require you to cast a spell |
| 21:09.24 | Semlar | there must be a way to do this |
| 21:09.27 | Sintacks | you do /cast prof name |
| 21:09.27 | Sintacks | though |
| 21:09.39 | Sintacks | and you actually do cast a spell when you open it |
| 21:09.42 | Sintacks | even if you click it |
| 21:09.43 | Sintacks | i think |
| 21:09.47 | Sintacks | i'd have to be online to check |
| 21:09.56 | Semlar | you cast a spell to open YOUR profession list |
| 21:10.14 | Semlar | but do you cast a spell to open someone else's profession link |
| 21:10.23 | foxlit | Sintacks: you're thinking of the wrong kind of protection. |
| 21:10.33 | foxlit | it just needs a hardware event. |
| 21:10.46 | Sintacks | for those? yeah. prob. |
| 21:10.55 | Sintacks | but CastBySpellName and CastBySpellID are both completely protected |
| 21:11.07 | Semlar | they only require a hardware event |
| 21:11.21 | foxlit | /run CastSpellByName("Enchanting") works just fine. |
| 21:11.26 | Semlar | which is still more than i want |
| 21:11.37 | Semlar | i'm very needy |
| 21:12.00 | Sintacks | look at how wowhead's addon does it |
| 21:12.12 | Semlar | probably waits for you to open the skill window |
| 21:12.23 | Semlar | i don't know why i ever expect to be able to do anything with the api |
| 21:12.31 | foxlit | You're just ignorant :) |
| 21:12.37 | Semlar | i know |
| 21:13.30 | Semlar | i'm just going to hardcode the reagents, trying to get this to work would not be worth it |
| 21:14.01 | Semlar | nobody else is going to be using it anyway |
| 21:14.15 | Ackis | Semlar: that's what I said when I started writing ARL :( |
| 21:14.18 | Primer | this == ? |
| 21:14.46 | Semlar | basically i'm in charge of restocking the guild bank with enchants |
| 21:14.55 | foxlit | Farming 2.0 sounds exciting! |
| 21:15.01 | Sintacks | I do enchants and noodle carts |
| 21:15.07 | Semlar | i'm writing an addon that scans through what is currently in the bank and tells me what's missing |
| 21:15.08 | Sintacks | but people have to come to me for enchants |
| 21:15.30 | Semlar | and then outputs the total material cost to make them |
| 21:16.06 | Primer | Sounds like overkill |
| 21:16.12 | Primer | best to just delegate that job |
| 21:17.06 | Semlar | i'm not always going to be online and people need to be able to get whatever enchant they need out of the bank |
| 21:17.08 | foxlit | So shipping data is better. |
| 21:18.35 | foxlit | so, um, those garrisons are instanced, right? |
| 21:18.42 | foxlit | or, well, phased. |
| 21:19.16 | foxlit | They seem to be talking about how they're all out in the world, but that makes very little sense given that realms have more than 10 people on them. |
| 21:19.53 | Semlar | what's a garrison |
| 21:20.04 | foxlit | sunsong ranch on drugs. |
| 21:20.16 | Semlar | probably phased the same way the farm is |
| 21:20.29 | foxlit | but they're all like "you can show off this stuff!" |
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| 21:21.28 | Semlar | maybe it's just prohibitively expensive? |
| 21:23.35 | foxlit | that would be encouraging gold farmers etc. |
| 21:26.51 | Semlar | is that wrong? |
| 21:27.08 | foxlit | very. |
| 21:27.14 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:32.43 | foxlit | It's awesome how many of those inventory updates stem directly from GW2 |
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| 21:49.40 | A-KO | charging my phone |
| 21:49.43 | A-KO | back in the room for now |
| 21:49.44 | A-KO | it's lunch time |
| 21:49.46 | A-KO | hmmm |
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| 21:57.52 | TC-Work | I think it is past lunch time A-KO |
| 22:00.07 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:00.09 | A-KO | not quite |
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| 22:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 22:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what this is in space here http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconWWWNext33.jpg |
| 22:15.42 | nevcairiel | a moon? :p |
| 22:15.46 | A-KO | dumping all my raw pics |
| 22:15.56 | A-KO | weeee |
| 22:16.01 | A-KO | I need a bigger SD card apparently |
| 22:16.06 | A-KO | perhaps a 64GB for the camera |
| 22:16.11 | A-KO | I'm rocking a 16GB right now |
| 22:16.15 | TC-Work | 32 at least |
| 22:16.28 | TC-Work | My camera has dual slots so I have 32 in each |
| 22:16.38 | A-KO | I've got a 64GB in my tablet, but I had bought the camera before they were cheap. I shoot in raw + jpeg |
| 22:16.44 | A-KO | the big files are the videos I took of the main stage |
| 22:16.57 | TC-Work | I shoot in raw only and do the conversion later |
| 22:18.56 | A-KO | ahh |
| 22:19.00 | A-KO | I'm lazy :P |
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| 22:19.08 | A-KO | I like to get pics up quickly but like to have the raws available |
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| 22:19.27 | TC-Work | I never have to get pics up anywhere. |
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| 22:41.04 | Ackis | wait... are we travelling in time for the new wow xpac? |
| 22:41.22 | nicoli_s | you know it! |
| 22:45.01 | Amarande | Ackis: has there been any juicy news on the next xpac at blizzcon yet? |
| 22:45.12 | Ackis | Amarande: yeah |
| 22:45.24 | Amarande | I heard they trademarked some name involving Draenor, but that was rumoured to have to do with Hearthstone |
| 22:45.27 | Amarande | or is that the WoW xpac? |
| 22:45.31 | Ackis | it's the new xpac |
| 22:45.33 | Amarande | ah |
| 22:45.34 | Ackis | mmo has the preview |
| 22:45.41 | Amarande | yeah, it began to occur to me that maybe that WOULD be the new WoW xpac |
| 22:45.58 | Amarande | I'm also going to strongly guess that the one after next will be a revisit to Northrend |
| 22:46.10 | Amarande | next xpac is outland rebooted, I'm guessing? |
| 22:47.24 | Amarande | yup |
| 22:47.47 | Amarande | you know, I actually began to get that vibe when I started thinking more on the Draenor trademark, while everyone thought it was some hearthstone thing or something |
| 22:48.08 | Amarande | mainly since outland really looks these days like it needs a reboot compared to the rest of stuff |
| 22:48.50 | Amarande | one thing I don't see on the preview though ... if outland is becoming for 90-100, where is 60-70 going to happen? |
| 22:49.07 | Amarande | or are they going to stretch the levels on old azeroth up and northrend down to fill it in? |
| 22:49.37 | TC-Work | So....reusing things? |
| 22:49.55 | Amarande | TC-Work: looks like we're visiting the same places again (and it looks one or two new zones) but they're being revamped |
| 22:50.08 | Amarande | I guess kinda like how Cataclysm revamped Old Azeroth and added a few new places that we didn't have access to before |
| 22:50.18 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what wrathion was talking about, then |
| 22:50.37 | Mr_Rabies | i guess maybe at the end of WoD garrosh will take the tardis back to the present with the full might of the burning legion |
| 22:51.04 | Amarande | that they're going back to the Burning Legion so soon surprises me, though |
| 22:51.48 | Amarande | since that probably means we're going to face Sargeras this time, which I had always thought would be reserved for the final swan-song sendoff when Blizzard stops providing content for WoW altogether |
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| 22:52.18 | Amarande | (*not*, of course, shuts down WoW, because I'm pretty sure they will never do that till computers can't run it anymore, given that battle.net still supports everything all the way back to Diablo I ...) |
| 22:52.51 | zenzelezz | what makes you think we'll face Sargeras? We didn't kill Kil'jaeden |
| 22:52.56 | Amarande | but, I do presume sooner or later we're going to stop getting new expansions and PvE content, with the only changes then probably being the seasonal festival cycle |
| 22:53.14 | Amarande | however, it's been confirmed a while back apparently that there are at least *two* more expansions after MoP |
| 22:54.21 | Amarande | zenzelezz: hm, we didn't? I'll have to run sunwell again :S |
| 22:54.55 | zenzelezz | we prevented him from entering our realm (or so), but didn't destroy him |
| 22:54.56 | Amarande | the "XYZ was merely a setback" trope is starting to wear thin in WoW already though :| |
| 22:55.24 | Amarande | And somehow I think people will feel WoW jumped the shark if it just ends with meet the new boss same as the old boss :) |
| 22:55.52 | zenzelezz | it's not like they've not invented new stuff before |
| 22:56.00 | Amarande | so maybe we do meet KJ again, but we'd probably have to meet someone higher up the totem pole than him, too |
| 22:56.05 | Amarande | is there anyone ranking between him and Sarg, though? |
| 22:57.51 | Amarande | so, outland rebooted |
| 22:58.08 | Amarande | I'm going to predict now that level 110 is going to be either Northrend rebooted or they're going to find one more continent |
| 22:59.30 | Amarande | HIT RATING IS BEING RETIRED. Sweeeeeet |
| 23:02.07 | zenzelezz | next expansion they're dropping all remaining mechanics (both of them) to make it more casual-friendly |
| 23:03.01 | alestane | How many of the stats were actually orthogonal, though? |
| 23:03.27 | zenzelezz | I'm afraid my comprehension of the language fails right now; what does that mean? |
| 23:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | <Amarande> that they're going back to the Burning Legion so soon surprises me, though |
| 23:03.48 | Mr_Rabies | they're not, yet |
| 23:03.57 | Mr_Rabies | we don't really know exactly how the expansion's gonna end |
| 23:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | it's the iron horde for at least the majority of WoD |
| 23:04.40 | Mr_Rabies | or the whole thing, and the burning legion thing is a ways off |
| 23:05.21 | Amarande | zenzelezz: heh, you read my mind |
| 23:05.36 | Amarande | I was thinking that eventually in the name of 'stat simplification' eventually we're going to be cut back to four stats only |
| 23:05.51 | Amarande | "PvE Power" "PvE Resilience" "PvP Power" "PvP Resilience" |
| 23:06.03 | Amarande | and from there they might just move to "Awesome Points" |
| 23:06.42 | Amarande | Well, certainly would make it easier to figure out what the right gear to use is without having to pore over MATLAB research :P |
| 23:10.45 | alestane | zenzelezz: game designers use the word to refer to stats or mechanics that don't directly factor into the same calculations. |
| 23:11.12 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 23:11.22 | alestane | In a strategy game, for instance, movement rate and damage reduction. |
| 23:12.16 | alestane | However, a number of the WoW stats were clearly not orthogonal for a while; hit rate and haste both factor into determining your DPS, and have less other distinct effect. |
| 23:15.39 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i don't really feel stats are NECESSARY in an rpg, but maybe in an mmo |
| 23:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | i like how dark souls handles stats |
| 23:16.23 | Mr_Rabies | items themselves don't have any traditional stats, those are on your character, other than rings |
| 23:16.30 | Mr_Rabies | and weapons, kinda |
| 23:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | items have a sliding scale that determines speed and absorbtion |
| 23:16.52 | Neffi | wabbajack |
| 23:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | so in cloth, you move faster, but can't take much damage |
| 23:17.16 | Mr_Rabies | your gear soaks practically nothing |
| 23:17.22 | Mr_Rabies | but in the havel's plate set, you're a turtle |
| 23:17.34 | Mr_Rabies | and dodging is next to impossible |
| 23:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | you just soak damage, instead |
| 23:18.08 | Mr_Rabies | you spend a currency called souls to stat up in dark souls |
| 23:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | every level you get one stat point, and to level it costs more souls (not sure if it's exponential or just a straight angled line) |
| 23:19.32 | Mr_Rabies | and souls are also used to purchase items from vendors, are lost when you die (but can be recovered by touching your bloodstain where you died, if you don't die again in the process) |
| 23:19.50 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | so it's not really recommended to bank souls, it's best to spend them immediately to level up and get a stat point |
| 23:20.01 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.19 | Neffi | sleep tiem |
| 23:20.22 | Mr_Rabies | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/bconWWWNext97.jpg |
| 23:20.28 | Mr_Rabies | ooh, WIP new human model |
| 23:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | night, neffi |
| 23:20.48 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: That's the guy who cranks the turbine for WoW's servers? |
| 23:20.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:26.48 | Primer | ok wait |
| 23:26.54 | Primer | so the zone is outland...in the past? |
| 23:27.38 | Primer | There's Nagrand and Shadowmoon Valley |
| 23:28.09 | Stanzilla | it's draenor |
| 23:28.17 | Stanzilla | the shattered world before being shattered |
| 23:28.40 | Primer | so the answer is yes |
| 23:28.58 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:29.00 | Stanzilla | time travel involved |
| 23:31.11 | Amarande | hm |
| 23:31.18 | Amarande | so we're still leveling 60-70 in present day outland, then? |
| 23:31.37 | Stanzilla | looks like it so far |
| 23:31.40 | Primer | presumably |
| 23:32.26 | Amarande | the only other thing I could conceive of would be stretching old azeroth up to 65 and northrend down to 65 |
| 23:32.45 | Amarande | not that the latter would be an especially bad idea |
| 23:33.02 | Amarande | as it is nowadays, 80 is an even more jarring point in leveling than ever |
| 23:33.42 | Amarande | since not only was the cata jump probably the biggest hop in the whole leveling process so far, but because you really don't get far enough in northrend now before you hit 80 |
| 23:34.00 | Amarande | you're not even anywhere close to top quest greens for NR when you go to cata, usually |
| 23:34.04 | TC-Work | That or one hell of a drug trip |
| 23:34.33 | Amarande | if you raided in wrath, you had 250-270 ilvl most likely, going to cata was pretty smooth |
| 23:34.51 | Amarande | if you didn't raid, you probably at least had ilvl 200 or so, and even if you avoided group content and the AH altogether, you hit 174 from quest greens |
| 23:35.29 | Amarande | now you're probably in some horrid mix of 138-155 or so greens when you hit cata content *ow* |
| 23:36.10 | Amarande | if they lowered the starting level for northrend to 65 or so you might actually at least reach the higher level greens before you hit 80 :) |
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| 23:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | this new season of justice league unlimited is a weird departure http://i.imgur.com/8VvDCCq.jpg |
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