| 00:00.24 | Semlar-Laptop | you probably can |
| 00:00.41 | Semlar-Laptop | i'd be surprised if you couldn't get onto diablo |
| 00:00.45 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 00:01.01 | Esamynn|work | the systems aren't THAT integrated yet, from what I can tell |
| 00:05.56 | Amarande | I'm surprised how many servers are still showing as high pop on the realm page |
| 00:06.11 | Amarande | from the impression the tech support board gives, you'd think every server would be down to low now |
| 00:06.21 | Amarande | (since it looks like the moment ANYONE goes through a load screen atm they get sent to this purgatory) |
| 00:06.36 | Amarande | ... we do have maintenance this week I hope? :| |
| 00:07.08 | Semlar-Laptop | they're still merging servers so |
| 00:07.22 | Semlar-Laptop | i imagine they'll have maintenance for all of that |
| 00:07.28 | Amarande | yeah, but the people reporting problems are not on the servers being merged |
| 00:07.35 | Amarande | and apparently the merge maintenance was actually this morning |
| 00:07.53 | Amarande | unless it's the old "get CRZ'd over to a server that's down, fall out the bottom of reality" bugger |
| 00:08.08 | Gnarfoz | I certainly wouldn't want to merge servers while they're running :D |
| 00:08.09 | Amarande | but that doesn't seem to be the case either (seeing that one character I tried was in Orgrimmar at the time and that's never CRZ) |
| 00:08.41 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: well, looking at the maintenance announcement for merging, it appears that only certain servers were taken down for maintenance for the merging |
| 00:09.01 | Amarande | there seems to be at least an infrequent glitch with CRZ where if you're on the wrong server at the wrong time you can end up in limbo (because your character is instanced to a server that's not up) |
| 00:09.51 | Amarande | but if you're in Org that should never happen |
| 00:10.35 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/ZlrvucY.gif :D |
| 00:10.46 | Amarande | I'm actually kinda relieved that repair didn't work and it's not just me, though |
| 00:10.53 | Amarande | at first I began to wonder if maybe my overclocking wasn't 100% stable after all |
| 00:10.57 | Amarande | but it looks like it still is. |
| 00:11.17 | Amarande | aww, kitty :D |
| 00:12.28 | Arrowmaster | i found the printing settings in my nexus5 and it already detected my HP printer and had it listed |
| 00:12.53 | Amarande | did android finally add native printing support? |
| 00:13.06 | Amarande | last time I looked into printing from android it seemed you needed special apps from the printer maker, there was no native support for it |
| 00:13.07 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/hEMpA <- I feel like a cat before I've had my morning coffee |
| 00:14.38 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yeah in 4.4 |
| 00:15.15 | Arrowmaster | and its not like iphone was any better except for their one proprietary protocol |
| 00:15.39 | Neffi | oh lord |
| 00:15.40 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/p16oAYn.jpg |
| 00:15.47 | Neffi | look at that beauty of a machine |
| 00:16.11 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liSseCH6_p8 this is amazing |
| 00:16.19 | Mr_Rabies | all doge should know the command "where's satan?" |
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| 00:19.12 | Amarande | hmm, just what is it with the MMO genre these days, anyway |
| 00:19.22 | Amarande | here is a comment from the boards on the "can't login" sticky: "Trying to be patient, but it is still frustrating. I play every once in a while when I have some free time, and it seems that as of late when I have tried to log in there has been some sort of issue with the log in servers." |
| 00:19.31 | Amarande | It only rarely occurs to me, since I have a lot of free time. |
| 00:20.02 | Amarande | But it seems that *no matter what* MMO I play, there are always at least some players who end up forever caught in that loop of never being able to play due to a nexus of bad server happenstance and short free time ... |
| 00:20.43 | Neffi | shit happens |
| 00:22.58 | Amarande | like I said, I'm still surprised the servers haven't all dropped to low yet |
| 00:23.08 | Amarande | since it seems to be sparing no one |
| 00:23.12 | Arrowmaster | damn this new phone is so smooth |
| 00:23.21 | Amarande | unless that many people don't go into instances anymore heh |
| 00:23.36 | Gnarfoz | new phone smell |
| 00:23.43 | Mr_Rabies | what issue is it, Amarande? |
| 00:23.59 | Gnarfoz | also, I think my S4 came with support for printing to at least HP printers, I think one other, too |
| 00:24.03 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, the moment you get a load screen for any reason, it fails to load and eventually you get "you have been DC'd" |
| 00:24.18 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, let's see |
| 00:24.31 | Amarande | then when you try to log back on you can get as far as character select, but no matter what character you pick, you get another fail to load followed eventually by DC |
| 00:24.43 | Amarande | does not matter what server, what faction, what race, what class or what zone |
| 00:24.58 | Amarande | looks like they managed to screw up big time this time :| |
| 00:25.11 | Amarande | this is more like ... the kind of screwup you expect when you play SW:TOR |
| 00:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | probably just a bug with checking game time or something, it'll probably be fixed within an hour |
| 00:25.30 | Semlar-Laptop | how do you know it's affecting everyone |
| 00:25.50 | Amarande | Semlar: nearly 30 pages of complaints so far in the sticky thread, and that's just the people who bother to post |
| 00:25.56 | Arrowmaster | ah theres no option to print from gmail |
| 00:26.04 | Amarande | and there are even people with multiple b.net accounts and it happens to ALL of their accounts when they try it, too |
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| 00:26.34 | Amarande | I'm guessing the only unaffected folks may well be people who were still logged on and did not cross continents or enter an instance yet |
| 00:27.00 | Amarande | apparently it happened last week too |
| 00:27.09 | Primer | I was able to auth, see my toons, but the bar is stuck at about 90% now after picking a toon |
| 00:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | looks like fewyn's been on for 2m |
| 00:27.13 | Amarande | and a lot of 90's are getting really pissed off because they didn't get to valor/conquest cap this week now |
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| 00:27.19 | Amarande | Primer: yeah, that's the ticket |
| 00:27.22 | Primer | and I DC'd |
| 00:27.31 | fewyn | i've been on for awhile |
| 00:27.36 | fewyn | i haven't logged off since uh |
| 00:27.40 | fewyn | noonish |
| 00:27.49 | fewyn | 7 hours ago |
| 00:27.58 | Amarande | It's apparently a major server-side failure, because neither doing repairs nor resetting the UI helps |
| 00:28.09 | Amarande | fewyn: try entering an instance or going to another continent, if you dare |
| 00:28.15 | fewyn | i did |
| 00:28.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably not major, it's probably just something wild |
| 00:28.20 | fewyn | i've also switched alts |
| 00:28.59 | Amarande | and then there's some folks like the ones with small children |
| 00:29.24 | Amarande | one person with a baby ... they finally luck into ONCE the tyke going to sleep early, and ... oh, you can't log in, so sad! :| |
| 00:30.08 | Amarande | heh one person's speculation: "someone tripped over the plug" |
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| 00:30.27 | Amarande | hmm. or it could even be black widow spider infestation in the server room! :) |
| 00:30.56 | Primer | yeah, can't get into any toon |
| 00:31.44 | Amarande | at least if it's affecting everyone it's not as bad as the problem that happened with Old Republic in September |
| 00:31.48 | nebula169 | Primer: i'm having the same issue |
| 00:31.53 | Primer | I bet it's more like someone ran an update on the main db and didn't commit |
| 00:32.06 | nebula169 | i have all 10 of my toons logged in :D |
| 00:32.08 | Amarande | where entire ops groups had frayed nerves for the week |
| 00:32.16 | nebula169 | "logged in" |
| 00:32.32 | Primer | back in the day I had a co-worker that was notorious for doing that...any time we couldn't do shit on the db we'd yell "JAY!! COMMIT!!" |
| 00:32.46 | Amarande | because they could log on and meanwhile other group members who were supposed to be there for ops couldn't get on at all due to BioWare error |
| 00:33.05 | Amarande | hah I like this one :D |
| 00:33.07 | Amarande | "Hmm.. they never seem to have problems with the billing servers.. can we just put the game on those?" |
| 00:33.15 | Primer | I really wanted to like SW:TOR |
| 00:33.23 | Primer | but lack of addons and macros did it in for me |
| 00:33.24 | Amarande | yeah, that's a very good idea. put the game on the reliable billing servers and put the billing on the servers that crash all the time |
| 00:33.30 | Ressy | uh... |
| 00:33.39 | Primer | I was just too used to mouseover healing, and clicking on people over and over was a fucking drag |
| 00:33.53 | Amarande | that way we can get happy fun gaming all the time and meanwhile every now and then the servers that charge us money might fail to, instead :D |
| 00:33.56 | Ressy | Billing servers are completely separate from game servers, have way less hardware. |
| 00:34.07 | Amarande | Ressy: yeah, just wishful thinking LOL |
| 00:34.11 | nebula169 | ssssh Ressy, just let it happen |
| 00:34.13 | Ressy | the game would never run on billings' hardware |
| 00:34.15 | Semlar | i think perhaps it was a joke |
| 00:34.57 | Amarande | but yeah, I think you'd have a lot less unhappy customers if instead of the payments happening all the time and the game not always, the game happened all the time and occasionally payments just forgot to happen LOL |
| 00:35.17 | Ressy | Semlar: I post in Tech Support... With my experience in the past, I'd really think it was real, rather than a joke |
| 00:35.19 | Amarande | you'd probably also go out of business, but hey, look at the old dot-coms |
| 00:35.31 | Amarande | they may have not been able to make money, but they sure as hell had loads of happy customers! :D |
| 00:36.06 | nebula169 | or no customers, because that shit wouldn't even run |
| 00:36.30 | Amarande | I like SW:TOR, I just had to take a break from it because I didn't feel like downloading endless gigs of data trying to make it work during that installer glitch |
| 00:36.39 | Amarande | so I figured, I'll go play WoW for a while and come back later |
| 00:38.55 | Amarande | apparently there are a few random subsets of the virtual firmament that may still be working |
| 00:39.12 | Amarande | someone on Shu'Halo says they can get on characters that were in Dala but not ones that were near TB |
| 00:39.15 | Primer | Does SW:TOR still lack addons and macros? |
| 00:39.35 | Amarande | Primer: pretty sure it does, although the base UI is more customisable than WoW's sans addons is |
| 00:39.53 | Primer | If all you want to do is move shit around, sure |
| 00:39.58 | Amarande | in particular, there seems to be a built-in MoveAnything |
| 00:40.17 | Amarande | well, heh, a lot of addons in WoW are probably installed more to be able to move stuff than because of actual dislike for the blizzard gewgaw :) |
| 00:40.18 | Primer | I could have lived without addons, but I really REALLY wanted mouseover macros |
| 00:40.36 | Amarande | I might try reinstalling LOTRO, too |
| 00:40.47 | Amarande | although LOTRO is kind of a :( to install when I want an SSD in a few months |
| 00:40.58 | Amarande | mostly because it's impossible to do the back up to another drive and just copy it back over mojo like you can with WoW and TOR |
| 00:42.25 | Amarande | 51 pages of complaints now *blink* |
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| 00:48.13 | Tuller | So, has there been any movement from Blizzard on the taint issue of doom, or should I start thinking about living in a sandbox? |
| 00:49.35 | Amarande | Tuller, from what I've seen most of the big addons that were affected seem to have been fixed |
| 00:49.43 | Amarande | but there's still the occasional here and there glitch |
| 00:50.11 | Amarande | like every now and then SUF gets tainted by something and then I get the parentalcontrols glitch when (and only when) I cross continents or enter/leave an instance |
| 00:50.45 | Amarande | I just hope this login thing isn't going to cause any rollback type errors |
| 00:54.15 | Stanzilla | Tuller: nothing has changed, sadly |
| 00:54.21 | Stanzilla | also no response from them |
| 00:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt it, Amarande |
| 00:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | they haven't had to do a rollback since vanilla, if i recall |
| 00:58.32 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: it's more that when there is a sudden problem like this, occasionally the most recent actions of characters fail to be saved |
| 00:58.35 | fewyn | nah i saw some rollbacks in wotlk |
| 00:58.36 | fewyn | i think |
| 00:58.39 | Kraps | woo http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/november/thumb/wodAus.png |
| 00:58.39 | fewyn | like not super far |
| 00:58.41 | fewyn | like 15m |
| 00:58.42 | fewyn | or something |
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| 00:59.26 | Amarande | It can get especially problematic on occasion too (like when it involves quests and you get rolled back so that "you finished the quest" still got registered, but the reward did not) |
| 00:59.45 | Amarande | or once when I somehow lost a point of JC, even though I oddly enough still had the item that I crafted to *get* that point in the first place |
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| 01:00.08 | Amarande | (mostly that was irritating because I was at a point of leveling JC where basically everything I had reasonable access to was green) |
| 01:00.20 | Esamynn|work | ouch |
| 01:00.47 | Neffi | You guys think growing my own coffee beans and roasting them in an oven would produce reasonable results? |
| 01:01.09 | Amarande | Esamynn: yeah it seems that different things are committed to the DB with different priorities so you get problems like that every now and then |
| 01:01.58 | Amarande | I'm guessing in the JC case, that anything involving inventory changes is given basically top priority in terms of DB commit, while things like say skill point ups aren't as crucial |
| 01:02.08 | Amarande | presumably that's because they learned their lesson from D2 :) |
| 01:03.27 | Amarande | of course, that's a good change |
| 01:03.35 | Amarande | D2 was very lax about the priority of saving items, as anyone who ever got DC'd and then found they no longer had the stuff they most recently found knows |
| 01:03.56 | Amarande | of course, this was precisely what the dupers exploited, so making all inventory changes atomic is probably really good policy indeed |
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| 01:07.26 | nebula169 | Primer: i was able to login if you were still having problems |
| 01:07.42 | Amarande | nebula169, any evidence of recently played stuff being lost? |
| 01:07.44 | Semlar | Neffi: no |
| 01:07.45 | Primer | heh, now I'm doing a production release |
| 01:07.48 | Primer | and shit's not working |
| 01:07.49 | Primer | soooo |
| 01:07.55 | nebula169 | >.> |
| 01:08.08 | nebula169 | Amarande: no? i hadn't played since last night |
| 01:08.23 | Amarande | I'm still wondering where I'm going to be when I log in |
| 01:08.25 | Esamynn|work | Primer: oh sorry, I was screwing with the laws of physics in your area |
| 01:08.31 | Amarande | since there's no zone listed at all under my monk's level |
| 01:08.38 | Amarande | XR GY, I'm guessing? |
| 01:08.43 | Semlar | your hearth location |
| 01:08.49 | Semlar | or the last place you were |
| 01:08.58 | Amarande | Semlar: the last place I was was attempting to enter SM |
| 01:09.04 | Semlar | before that |
| 01:09.36 | Neffi | Semlar: You never believed in me! |
| 01:09.46 | Neffi | I'll do what I want! You're not my real father! |
| 01:09.55 | Esamynn|work | ... |
| 01:09.58 | Semlar | LEAVE THE COFFEE TO THE CHILD LABORERS AND PROFESSIONALS |
| 01:10.07 | Esamynn|work | ~gag Neffi |
| 01:10.08 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Neffi and, as an additional precaution, sews Neffi's mouth shut permanently... |
| 01:10.13 | Neffi | YOU NEVER UNDERSTOOD ME |
| 01:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | <Neffi> You guys think growing my own coffee beans and roasting them in an oven would produce reasonable results? |
| 01:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | depends on where you live, if you're in a good area for beans, maybe |
| 01:11.15 | Neffi | NYC. But it's been getting hot in the summer. |
| 01:11.19 | Mr_Rabies | otherwise you can just buy bags of green coffee beans and just roast those, which is likely way cheaper (and they store better) |
| 01:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think NYC is way too cold in general, dunno |
| 01:11.59 | Neffi | I wanted to push for high caffeine content in good robusta beans |
| 01:12.36 | Mr_Rabies | i think robusta beans are usually regarded as inferior to arabica |
| 01:12.47 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: unless you're a caffeine addict, apparently |
| 01:12.50 | Neffi | Only because they're much more bitter |
| 01:12.53 | Mr_Rabies | probably easier to just throw some no-doz in the coffee pot :p |
| 01:12.58 | Amarande | seems to be arabica has tastier flavour but robusta has more caffeine |
| 01:13.01 | Neffi | They're so bitter because of the high caffeine content |
| 01:13.13 | Neffi | Honey curbs the bitterness well |
| 01:13.33 | Semlar | they are not bitter because of the caffeine |
| 01:13.39 | Neffi | yes they are |
| 01:13.46 | Neffi | Caffeine has a very, very bitter taste to it |
| 01:14.12 | Amarande | I wonder if this reset of sorts will fix the strange lag issues I've seen in the past few days, too |
| 01:14.23 | Amarande | I have a pretty decent ping (about 40-45 ms to Illidan) |
| 01:14.40 | Amarande | but the other night I was doing the Org fishing daily and moved to a spot that apparently contained one of those big braziers |
| 01:14.51 | Semlar | the bitterness is from a chemical in it that is not caffeine |
| 01:15.00 | Amarande | ... and yet the brazier didn't load for several seconds until I finally got a "noob" boop from GTFO because I was standing in it :P |
| 01:15.05 | Neffi | The caffeine contributes consierably, Semlar |
| 01:15.14 | Semlar | and the acrid taste can also come from how it's brewed or roasted |
| 01:15.18 | Neffi | Actually one of my software eng classmates was a botanist. I'll get in touch with him. |
| 01:15.39 | Neffi | Yes it can, but it will always be more bitter than a similarly treated arabica plant because of its high caffeine content |
| 01:15.57 | Semlar | it's not from the caffeine |
| 01:16.03 | Neffi | OK Semlar |
| 01:16.24 | Neffi | Go eat a tablespoon of diluted caffeine and tell me it's not the most bitter god-damn thing in the world |
| 01:16.49 | Amarande | well, D3 is up, anyway, looks like it didn't affect other b.net games |
| 01:17.09 | Amarande | Neffi: he might not tell you ANYTHING after that |
| 01:17.13 | Semlar | i'm playing wow right now |
| 01:17.20 | Semlar | no problems |
| 01:17.26 | Amarande | a tablespoon, isn't that enough of a dose that he'll be in the cardiac care unit instead? heh |
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| 01:17.38 | Neffi | Depends how dilute it is |
| 01:18.04 | Neffi | A tablespoon of pure crystalline caffeine would probably put you in the hospital, and may very well induce cardiac arrest or irregularity |
| 01:18.05 | Semlar | kind of a meaningless measurement then |
| 01:18.30 | Primer | chew on a guaraná bean...same effect |
| 01:18.39 | Neffi | I've had a teaspoon of dilute caffeine+water mixture before. It tastes terrible. |
| 01:19.53 | Amarande | hm, let's see if I can log on |
| 01:21.18 | Neffi | One of the fun side-effects is, if you don't induce cardiac arrest, you will induce mass muscle spams and cramps |
| 01:21.31 | Neffi | Caffeine overdose is actually a pretty painful thing |
| 01:21.36 | Amarande | yay |
| 01:21.43 | Amarande | also oh crap, it left me IN scarlet monastery |
| 01:22.01 | Amarande | with several mobs on the tail of me and the random other person in the instance (oddly enough, not grouped with me) |
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| 01:22.09 | Amarande | Stop, Drop, AND ROLL OUT THE INSTANCE DOOR |
| 01:22.11 | Amarande | glad I'm a monk :) |
| 01:22.26 | Neffi | Showoff ;) |
| 01:22.38 | Neffi | Or a mage w/ blink, or a rogue/druid with dash, or... |
| 01:22.44 | Amarande | heh what's fun is that one of the last times I escaped an instance like that I managed to bug out the instance |
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| 01:22.53 | Amarande | and oddly enough I think it was part of Scarlet Monastery, go figure LOL |
| 01:23.25 | Amarande | it was very early on in cata, I was on a mage and someone pulled Mograine too soon |
| 01:23.35 | Amarande | and I know what this means, so I start blinking and heading towards the instance door on the double |
| 01:23.52 | Amarande | ... apparently, this somehow caused Mograine to *not reset* when we wiped |
| 01:24.04 | Neffi | That'll happen sometimes |
| 01:24.09 | Amarande | and basically bugged him out totally ... when we finally did defeat him he was out in the first courtyard |
| 01:24.12 | Neffi | You re-entered and he was waiting for you? |
| 01:24.25 | Amarande | yeah. and we had to redo the instance for the quest because he was so far from his start point that Whitemane never triggered |
| 01:24.33 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:24.51 | Amarande | like we could actually go back to the back of the cathedral and the doors were opened but no Whitemane |
| 01:25.10 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:25.29 | Primer | yay, production issue resolved |
| 01:25.31 | Amarande | I'm guessing Mograine must still have been trying to chase me after everyone else was dead for some reason |
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| 01:25.48 | Amarande | I wonder if he'd have tried to follow me all the way to Ironforge if there hadn't been the little matter of an instance portal in the way :) |
| 01:26.13 | Neffi | Bosses don't reset no matter how far you run, so yes |
| 01:26.23 | Neffi | At least most of them don't |
| 01:26.23 | Amarande | (hm that's an interesting thought exercise, assuming guards didn't get him along the way, how long *would* it take an aggroed boss to get from Scarlet Monastery to Ironforge? :D) |
| 01:26.43 | Amarande | although I presume if that were the case, some city guards or another would probably nab him along the way |
| 01:27.06 | Amarande | since he's hostile to both factions, probably the moment he tried to pass Brill |
| 01:27.15 | Neffi | Brings back memories of when we used to kite bosses to major cities |
| 01:27.30 | Neffi | I wonder if that's why the amount of open-world bosses was severely reduced after vanilla |
| 01:27.42 | Amarande | heh, there was still "kite the fel reaver to Shattrath" |
| 01:27.56 | Neffi | Or kite the CoT dragons, or Emerald Dream portal dragons |
| 01:28.15 | Neffi | I was never able to do a portal dragon, but I heard tell of a few people do it |
| 01:28.16 | Amarande | it's apparently why that one dragon in Blasted Lands was made immune to ALL debuffs |
| 01:28.23 | Neffi | Or when that one boss ravaged SW |
| 01:28.27 | Neffi | What was his name |
| 01:28.34 | Amarande | I remember going to BL once on a ... forget if I was 70 or 80, probably an 80 |
| 01:28.41 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1shA5CNtOg |
| 01:28.45 | Amarande | and trying to solo the black dragon ?? Boss there and it was actually quite hard to do on a warlock |
| 01:28.56 | Esamynn|work | kite... shit what was his name... to Stormwind from the dark portal entrance.... |
| 01:29.07 | Amarande | because the damned thing seemed to be heavily resistant to Shadow for starters, and every single DoT I tried failed with "immune" |
| 01:29.08 | Esamynn|work | and then a GM has to reset it |
| 01:29.24 | Amarande | I found out that apparently this was done in order to prevent kiting him too far |
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| 01:29.46 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: See the video I linked |
| 01:30.02 | Esamynn|work | exactly what I was thinking of =D |
| 01:30.12 | Amarande | yeah pretty sure my lock was 80 then, 70 probably wouldn't have survived the battle with such poor DPS ability at hand |
| 01:30.19 | Amarande | and I don't think that dragon was there anymore after Cata |
| 01:30.27 | Neffi | when that happened, word spread fast. I wasn't even on the server, and I heard about it while it was taking place |
| 01:30.53 | Amarande | Esamynn: Kazzak (right Boo?) |
| 01:31.30 | kd3 | kazzak does stormwind |
| 01:31.47 | kd3 | oh memories... 8 years old now at least |
| 01:32.28 | kd3 | terebus used to get kited frequently too |
| 01:33.12 | Esamynn|work | that reminds me of the solo Kazzak insta kill! =D |
| 01:33.23 | kd3 | the reckoning bomb |
| 01:33.28 | Esamynn|work | that's the one |
| 01:34.00 | Esamynn|work | wasn't really instant, the server took a while to process the extra hits ;) |
| 01:34.08 | Neffi | Let's not forget the funeral raid |
| 01:34.20 | Neffi | PvP used to be convoluted |
| 01:34.27 | kd3 | they never should have done that on a pvp server |
| 01:34.38 | Arrowmaster | we had azeragos in origrimar |
| 01:34.44 | Esamynn|work | hahaha |
| 01:34.51 | Neffi | They shouldn't have done it in Winterspring of all places |
| 01:34.57 | Amarande | Still doesn't mean the people who raided them weren't class A douchebags, though |
| 01:35.06 | Arrowmaster | the teleporting was hilarious |
| 01:35.39 | kd3 | hah, I still have many of those videos on my old drive. the reckoning bomb's only 2.8mb |
| 01:35.58 | Arrowmaster | i probably have a video of our first rag kill |
| 01:37.01 | Esamynn|work | I recall this video that I have on my HDD at home (used to be on youtube, but I can't find it anymore), that was C'Thun in a nutshell. called: "C'thun: A Guide" about 20 or 30 seconds long ;) |
| 01:37.03 | Amarande | yeah, it was a bad idea to do that in winterspring on a pvp server |
| 01:37.20 | kd3 | was it full of "don't chain the green beam"? |
| 01:37.33 | Esamynn|work | no, just one beam |
| 01:37.43 | Amarande | but the kind of people who do that are like the kind of people who take an entire raid of 90s into Uldum to scour the desert of opposite faction for easy honour (since the 82-84's there are basically defenceless 1/2 shot victims and still give honour) |
| 01:37.44 | Esamynn|work | used to great effect |
| 01:37.51 | Esamynn|work | and set to classical music |
| 01:38.08 | Amarande | it's not the kind of rep you want :) |
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| 01:38.30 | Amarande | I'm going to guess the guild that did that were KoS for the rest of their playing lives? |
| 01:39.41 | kd3 | oh wow, the Fires of Heaven aq gate opening vids |
| 01:39.50 | Esamynn|work | kd3: went something like... should we check the agro distance.. naw... watch guy on mount inching forward before the pull.... zap |
| 01:40.10 | Arrowmaster | aq opening was such as silly thing |
| 01:40.11 | Amarande | kd3: heh speaking of AQ opening gates, that sort of uber-assholishness is far from only found on PvP servers :| |
| 01:40.17 | Amarande | as Ysera remembers well |
| 01:40.19 | Neffi | I'm still jealous of the people who got the AQ gate mount |
| 01:40.28 | Esamynn|work | ahh the AQ openning |
| 01:40.29 | Amarande | basically, it's probably a bad idea to mention the AQ gate mount on Ysera |
| 01:40.31 | Arrowmaster | i think we crashed the server on every step of the way especially the opening and the moonglade part |
| 01:40.45 | Amarande | I wasn't there for the occurrence, but apparently it's a sour moment in their history |
| 01:40.49 | Esamynn|work | the guild that did it on my server were really nice about it, scheduled it for prime time... announced it on forums |
| 01:40.58 | kd3 | was on medivh, world #1 to open the gate |
| 01:41.03 | Amarande | Esamynn: that's apparently what the Yserans TRIED to do for theirs |
| 01:41.12 | Arrowmaster | i spent the entire 10 hours or so of the opening killing the big mobs that spawned |
| 01:41.18 | Amarande | the guilds that were well along in progress actually pretty much made a pact to finish within 10 hours of one another so they could all get the mount |
| 01:41.31 | Amarande | ... then some other guild decided to hire some transfer guy from another server to hit the gong ahead of time :| |
| 01:41.39 | Esamynn|work | yes, I think I heard about this Amarande, was that the server where the guild scheduled a time, then basically logged out and did it later that night? |
| 01:41.46 | Esamynn|work | oh, yuck! |
| 01:41.51 | Amarande | AND they had him do it late Monday night, right before maintenance ... |
| 01:41.55 | kd3 | more than one server did that iirc |
| 01:42.00 | Esamynn|work | ... |
| 01:42.05 | Amarande | so unless you were actually ON that night you didn't get even a chance, because the window was over by the time the server was up for Tuesday |
| 01:42.33 | Amarande | I think his name is mentioned on wowwiki/wowpedia |
| 01:42.41 | Amarande | one of the few cases where such a name and shame is really justified I think :) |
| 01:43.04 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/List_of_scepter_holders_by_server |
| 01:43.06 | kd3 | ? |
| 01:43.14 | Amarande | kd3: it's on the Ysera realm page I think |
| 01:43.31 | Neffi | Wowpedia has flash ads now |
| 01:43.32 | Neffi | fuck |
| 01:43.40 | kd3 | we do? I need to go yell at someone then |
| 01:43.50 | kd3 | quite loudly |
| 01:44.18 | Neffi | It popped up as a bar at the bottom with a close button next to it |
| 01:44.32 | kd3 | oh, that's not new |
| 01:44.34 | Trela | Yep. |
| 01:44.44 | Neffi | Still annoying as fuck |
| 01:44.48 | kd3 | I agree |
| 01:44.56 | Esamynn|work | addblock FTW |
| 01:46.45 | Amarande | Esamynn: and probably enjoy it while you may, heh |
| 01:46.54 | Amarande | I'm surprised that major ad-supported sites haven't tried to make adblock illegal |
| 01:47.03 | Amarande | especially ones where no ads is a paid premium feature |
| 01:47.44 | Amarande | 'course, I guess not having flash installed and then disabling javascript would block most more annoying ads too |
| 01:47.55 | Esamynn|work | I'm not anti-ad, I'm anti-annoying ad |
| 01:48.00 | Amarande | but then they could probably just make Flash and Javascript mandatory, like VCR's have to have digital auto tracking JUST so they can support macrovision :P |
| 01:48.13 | kd3 | well, flash being mandatory isn't going to happen |
| 01:48.35 | Esamynn|work | which is why I really like adblock plus's program where they will whitelist sites which agree to follow rules to prevent annoying ads |
| 01:48.52 | Amarande | kd3: it still shows there's precedent that an entire range of products for a given purchase can be legally required to carry a feature solely in order to make sure revenue-protection measures work |
| 01:49.25 | Amarande | s/purchase/purpose/ |
| 01:49.31 | Dagmar | Macrovision was a matter of abusing automatic gain control, man |
| 01:49.58 | Amarande | Dagmar: the point was that feature was required on VCRs, and not for its benefits to the user but solely in order to ensure that all VCRs on the market supported Macrovision |
| 01:50.19 | Amarande | it's actually quite surprising given things like that that always-on Javascript and such *haven't* been forced upon browsers |
| 01:51.03 | Dagmar | I don't disagree with your overall argument, but there wasn't anything digital about it |
| 01:51.25 | Dagmar | It just put out-of-spec boxes in the vertical blanking area, alternating between over-spec white and under-spec black |
| 01:52.12 | Dagmar | I had a cheesy video muxer I bought from Radio Shack that had a vertical wipe effect that would just replace the blanking interval entirely with black, which neatly filitered Macrovision right out |
| 01:53.03 | Arrowmaster | we had a device that filtered it out, thats all it did |
| 01:53.10 | Esamynn|work | wtf is macrovision? |
| 01:53.28 | Arrowmaster | vcr drm |
| 01:53.30 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Crude copy-protection for VHS |
| 01:53.38 | Esamynn|work | ahh |
| 01:53.52 | kd3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrovision#Content_protection_.28RipGuard_and_Analog_Copy_Protection.29 |
| 01:54.04 | Mr_Rabies | if you tried to run a vcr through a vcr, macrovision would trigger oftentimes |
| 01:54.10 | Dagmar | Basically it'd fuck with the automatic gain control so that when you tried to record, the other VCR would try to compensate for the overall alternating brightness and darkness changing |
| 01:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | and it'd basically look like scrambled tv channels |
| 01:55.30 | Mr_Rabies | and other psychadelic mayhem |
| 01:55.43 | Dagmar | If you actually still had an analog TV and VCR around you could go look by just throwing the vertical hold off so the picture would roll |
| 01:55.49 | Dagmar | Upi |
| 01:56.08 | Dagmar | You'll see (IIRC) four white boxes appear in the VBI, then disappear, then reappear |
| 01:56.12 | Mr_Rabies | mannn |
| 01:56.17 | Mr_Rabies | all this talk about crts reminds me |
| 01:56.29 | kd3 | oh, gah. nightmares of twitching about with the v-hold on a vcr that was broken |
| 01:56.38 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure what a modern TV would make of that shit |
| 01:56.50 | Mr_Rabies | that there was a product being worked on at one point that was nearing lcd-thickness with crt tech and color levels |
| 01:57.02 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish that was a thing |
| 01:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | to be honest, lcds still kind of suck :| |
| 01:59.42 | Dagmar | I'm waiting for Samsung to get really innovative and release a flying TV |
| 02:00.06 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 02:01.11 | Dagmar | We'd probably already have them if it weren't an insane thing to build |
| 02:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'm looking forward to the retron 5 if it meets my expectations because i'll finally be able to play my console games on my projector/an hd source |
| 02:01.37 | Mr_Rabies | without having to go crazy and get a bunch of scart cables and a scart breakout box and all other shenanigans |
| 02:02.05 | Dagmar | Hehe europeans |
| 02:02.32 | Mr_Rabies | i live in the US, but SCART is the only way to get RGB out of the older game consoles |
| 02:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | and even that is analog so it'll probably have some input lag :| |
| 02:03.43 | Esamynn|work | had never even heard of SCART |
| 02:03.46 | Dagmar | No, analog's real good about that |
| 02:04.10 | Dagmar | what latency it does induce can be measured in a mm or two of horizontal misalignment in the worst cases |
| 02:04.36 | Mr_Rabies | i mean analog input on a digital display |
| 02:04.36 | Dagmar | analog typically does *not* involve a frame buffer of any kind |
| 02:04.43 | Dagmar | Oh gods |
| 02:04.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, playing super mario world is practically impossible on my projector |
| 02:05.00 | Esamynn|work | ~smite Dagmar |
| 02:05.01 | purl | ACTION wields the mighty blade of Argothax and cleaves Dagmar from crown to sole. |
| 02:05.02 | Dagmar | Upscaling is almost guaranteed to fuck you |
| 02:05.04 | Mr_Rabies | easily 500ms+ lag |
| 02:05.22 | Mr_Rabies | and my projector supports a lot of inputs and stuff that most tvs don't |
| 02:05.34 | Dagmar | I'm just glad the Guitar Heros beyond the first one had an adjustment for that |
| 02:05.40 | Mr_Rabies | like, it supports the weird horizontal refresh rate that SCART rgb uses |
| 02:05.48 | Dagmar | Hehe you mean PAL |
| 02:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | mine actually has no input lag in rock band |
| 02:06.20 | Mr_Rabies | nah, it uses weird syncing stuff that's inherent in SCART's RGB, not necessarily PAL |
| 02:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | like 15.something khz horizontal or something |
| 02:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | i looked into it a while back |
| 02:07.25 | Mr_Rabies | you can run NTSC over SCART but its way of syncing is really weird |
| 02:07.42 | Mr_Rabies | it syncs over composite, but uses component for the actual picture |
| 02:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | it does support pal and ntsc on the same projector, though |
| 02:10.00 | *** join/#wowuidev m^rk (mrk@24-158-128-182.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 02:11.10 | m^rk | Do blizzard empoyees ever come here? If so, are they aware of the massive taint issues they caused in last patch as completely described here, effecting a ton of addons: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10388639018?page=1 |
| 02:11.30 | kd3 | they're aware |
| 02:12.22 | m^rk | sweet |
| 02:16.43 | Esamynn|work | m^rk: however, they're gonna leave the problem unfixed... just for you.. because they hate you |
| 02:17.22 | Esamynn|work | and I'm going to take that overly sarcastic remark as a sign that I should go home |
| 02:17.24 | Esamynn|work | later all |
| 02:27.51 | jleclanche | "However, the character that seems to be causing the most stir amongst the twitterati is U+1F574 m "MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING". People are asking why Unicode has seen fit to encode this particular character." |
| 02:27.54 | jleclanche | .. Yuh huh. |
| 02:28.25 | kd3 | ...whuh? |
| 02:28.36 | jleclanche | The answer is that in 2011 my good friend Michel Suignard (and project editor of ISO/IEC 10646) proposed to encode the set of symbols used in the widely-used Wingdings and Webdings fonts that were not already in Unicode or unifiable with an existing character. The Webdings font that ships with Microsoft Windows includes a glyph for a man in a business suit apparently levitating at U+F06D (accessible as "m"), and it is being encoded in Unicode 7.0 |
| 02:28.37 | jleclanche | simply because the glyph is in the Webdings font and it is not unifiable with any existing Unicode character. So if you still want to know why Unicode 7.0 will include a character for MAN IN BUSINESS SUIT LEVITATING you had better ask Vincent Connare et al. why they included the glyph in Webdings in 1997 in the first place. |
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| 02:37.46 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 02:38.37 | Kaylin | pawng |
| 02:50.06 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: pong |
| 02:51.14 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I was wondering if you had any recommendations for an Android IRC client. |
| 02:51.24 | Arrowmaster | i use AndChat |
| 02:51.39 | Torhal | Danke |
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| 02:53.19 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Have the APK handy? Heh |
| 02:53.31 | Torhal | Trying to sideload on this Kindle |
| 02:53.40 | Arrowmaster | i can get one for you |
| 02:53.45 | Torhal | Sweet |
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| 02:56.39 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckbtapnrgnszq00/AndChat_1.4.3.2%202013-04-08.apk |
| 02:57.57 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: and next time buy a Nexus 7 |
| 03:00.52 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Eh, I don't think I'll be a power user and the Fire HD was with a $60 coupon and instant $50 off on top of it. |
| 03:00.55 | Torhal | So $119 :D |
| 03:03.16 | Arrowmaster | ok thats pretty cheap |
| 03:05.40 | Arrowmaster | kindles seem to have a terrible track record of being mod friendly |
| 03:13.40 | Amarande | Arrowmaster, that's because Amazon committed the unforgivable mortal sin of the Church of Android |
| 03:14.34 | Amarande | Only bad, BAD people use forked Android versions ... BAD AMAZON |
| 03:17.33 | Neffi | The first thing I do with a phone is install a forked-off version of AOSP |
| 03:25.11 | Amarande | Neffi: well, I mean, from a manufacturer standpoint, only evil heretics use forked versions |
| 03:25.16 | Amarande | because then you can't use the Play Store |
| 03:25.28 | Amarande | and then you have to sideload loads of stuff like Torhal does |
| 03:25.42 | Neffi | You can sideload the Google services, actually. |
| 03:26.37 | Neffi | Google does the same shit |
| 03:26.54 | Neffi | A lot of the libraries Chrome uses are forked versions because they have no interest in contributing back |
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| 03:27.22 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: He'll yeah, it's cheap. Now how the he'll do I tab-complete? |
| 03:28.37 | Arrowmaster | the search glass icon |
| 03:28.53 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Hawt |
| 03:29.25 | Torhal | Thanks, this is actually way better than any Windows client I've tried. |
| 03:29.26 | *** part/#wowuidev kurapica (~kurapica@58.247.109.243) |
| 03:32.33 | Arrowmaster | its come a long way too, when i first started using it i couldnt copy/paste from it but now it has a way to do that |
| 03:32.46 | Arrowmaster | plus sasl support for freenode |
| 03:33.17 | kd3 | now all it needs is dcc support and I can uninstall xchat |
| 03:33.22 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:34.06 | tzarc | wish xchat did multiple windows instead of needing to switch :( |
| 03:34.41 | kd3 | xchat lets you pop out windows |
| 03:35.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats a common irc client feature |
| 03:35.41 | kd3 | right click on the channel in the left-hand pane and choose detach |
| 03:35.45 | tzarc | but it makes them all separate windows, yeah? |
| 03:35.56 | tzarc | been a while since I looked at it |
| 03:36.01 | tzarc | installs |
| 03:36.05 | kd3 | whatever windows you choose to pop out |
| 03:36.29 | Arrowmaster | is still playing with his new phone |
| 03:40.39 | Arrowmaster | the new toast theme in 4.4 is hard to get used to |
| 03:43.22 | tzarc | apparently X11 forwarding stopped working with win8.1 |
| 03:43.23 | tzarc | gg |
| 03:43.27 | tzarc | waste of fucken time OS |
| 03:43.33 | Torhal | Shit, Arrowmaster - right on their page it says "No Play Store access? Click here to download rfom the website." |
| 03:43.36 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 03:43.44 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 03:43.59 | Arrowmaster | you made me do all that |
| 03:44.23 | Torhal | Heh yah :/ |
| 03:46.25 | Arrowmaster | truly though the play store is part of the reason to get an android device, no play store just makes it a crippled device, i feel sorry for all those people that are gifted kindle fires (its been shown more are purchased as gifts than for buyers to actually use) |
| 03:47.19 | Amarande | hm, this is interesting ... WoW should follow suit too I think :) |
| 03:47.31 | Amarande | LOTRO abandoned their brand of rez sickness a few months ago |
| 03:47.55 | Arrowmaster | wow still has rez sickness? |
| 03:48.06 | kd3 | speaking of android apps, I'm bored and looking for a project. anyone have an app they want implemented? someone suggested nfc/rfid, but that's getting into implementation minutiae I don't want to deal with |
| 03:48.28 | Amarande | Arrow: ever died in outland leveling an alt in a spot you can't get back to so you have to use the spirit healer? |
| 03:48.55 | Arrowmaster | no because outlands had spirit mounts |
| 03:49.19 | Arrowmaster | kd3: ive probably got a few ideas but ive forgotten them all at the moment |
| 03:49.24 | Torhal | That was WotLK |
| 03:50.09 | Arrowmaster | in wotlk i just walked to a different graveyard and did something i cant remember to make it give me a spirit mount |
| 03:50.35 | kd3 | you were auto-rezzed if you died in certain places on outland (like netherwing island, eventually) |
| 03:51.07 | kd3 | or tempest keep |
| 03:51.43 | Arrowmaster | why hasnt koush pushed a new superuser, i always get stuck using supersu after a new android release |
| 03:52.38 | Neffi | kd3: Not at first |
| 03:52.47 | Neffi | That was quickly fixed, though |
| 03:52.58 | kd3 | something something ", eventually" |
| 03:53.10 | Amarande | and then there are freak incidents, like what happened to me once in Icecrown (the zone, not the raid) during Wrath |
| 03:53.34 | Amarande | apparently at one point there was a serious bug with hearthing while on one of the faction base zeppelins in Icecrown |
| 03:53.52 | Neffi | Oh, this isn't gonna be good |
| 03:54.12 | Amarande | I ended up at like the far NW corner of Icecrown far above the water |
| 03:54.22 | Amarande | and if I remember right, it was something like, I hit the water |
| 03:54.48 | Amarande | and even though I had over thirty seconds of fatigue timer left, I insta-died for some reason ... and after releasing ended up in XR and having to spirit rez |
| 03:54.59 | Neffi | I vaguely remember falling through the world because of the airships |
| 03:55.40 | Neffi | I think they implemented insta-death conditions so you don't end up falling indefinitely and unable to hearth out |
| 03:55.52 | Amarande | yeah, that must have glitched out somehow |
| 03:56.03 | Amarande | (I think there may even have been a possibility of me getting out of fatigue water in time, too) |
| 03:56.15 | Neffi | You may also have hit some No Man's Land type thing |
| 03:56.16 | Neffi | " |
| 03:56.25 | Neffi | "You're not supposed to be here! *dead*" |
| 03:56.28 | Amarande | usually NML just causes you to be insta-teleported to your hearth |
| 03:56.40 | Amarande | when was the last time NML was actually a relevant issue ... pre-cata patch I think? |
| 03:57.09 | kd3 | trying to access hyjal |
| 03:57.13 | Amarande | for a short while it was mostly impossible to reasonably quest Badlands in the proper progression order |
| 03:57.27 | Neffi | Hyjal was accessible for a time |
| 03:57.35 | Neffi | So was CoT, back in vanilla |
| 03:57.36 | Amarande | as in the only way to do it was literally to trek across the zone on your mount to Fuselight to start the quest chain |
| 03:58.01 | Amarande | the problem was: the "proper" way to start Badlands was to pick up the quest from that one guy in Eastern Plaguelands who sends you on the rocket to Fuselight by the Sea |
| 03:58.11 | Amarande | unfortunately, the rocket trajectory would take you over TwiHi |
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| 03:58.31 | Amarande | and the game apparently considered that a violation and would whisk you away to hearth before you could get to Badlands via the rocket |
| 03:58.39 | Neffi | lol |
| 03:58.54 | Neffi | All this WoW nostalgia makes me want to play again |
| 03:59.04 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they took such pains to keep people out of Hyjal though |
| 03:59.23 | Neffi | I actually don't know |
| 03:59.26 | Amarande | like, what was so special about it vis-a-vis the other then undeveloped areas, like say the coast of Kalimdor south of Un'Goro and Silithus? |
| 03:59.31 | kd3 | people got stuck and gms got tired of dealing with it |
| 03:59.35 | Neffi | There are lots of exploitable exploration areas. So what? |
| 03:59.59 | Neffi | I miss the dancing troll village |
| 04:00.08 | Neffi | It exists now, but it's not a secret anymore |
| 04:00.22 | Neffi | Used to be tricky to get to, going through Winterspring's mountains and jumping down w/ slowfall |
| 04:01.18 | Neffi | Or the Atlantis-type city that was underneath the shore off the coast of Tanaris, where if you touched the sea floor you would die from an early implementation of No Man's Land |
| 04:01.28 | Neffi | And the two "other GM island" islands off its south coast |
| 04:02.19 | kd3 | the two south seas islands were part of the aq scepter chain. it was possible to get there if you did the friendly naga quest |
| 04:02.30 | Neffi | Ah |
| 04:03.05 | Neffi | Also Amarande, I think the big reason why they locked down exploration like that, is because it used to be possible to get to the real GM Island if you could defeat fatigue's damage, by swimming from Darkshore |
| 04:03.26 | Neffi | And GM Island had every ore/herb node lined up. A few people got there, and used that to mine insane amounts of ore |
| 04:03.42 | Amarande | Neffi: that's a hoax rumour |
| 04:03.43 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Quest:rAnS0m |
| 04:03.52 | Neffi | Amarande: You sure? |
| 04:04.09 | Amarande | Neffi: every actually believable statement I have ever heard about GM Island is that it's a separate instance, like say Azuremyst/Bloodmyst are implemented as |
| 04:04.16 | Amarande | you CANNOT get there by swimming, even if there were no limit on how far |
| 04:04.34 | Neffi | No, in the early versions of the game it was connected |
| 04:04.40 | Neffi | It was split into a separate instance early on |
| 04:04.45 | kd3 | ^. top left corner of the kalimdor map |
| 04:05.00 | Neffi | It was pretty much where the spacecow islands would be |
| 04:05.14 | kd3 | nah, it was northwest of teldrassil |
| 04:05.19 | Neffi | I remember probing into the game files in the early client versions |
| 04:05.29 | Neffi | kd3: You're right |
| 04:05.40 | Neffi | It was after acouple people discovered it that they instanced it off |
| 04:06.49 | Amarande | heh, Blizzard can be awfully railroady at times can't they |
| 04:06.54 | Neffi | I used to like going to these places. Ironforge Airport was particularly cool. It used to have a flight path connecting it. |
| 04:07.07 | Amarande | STAY ON THE RAILS. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EXPLORE. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO COME UP WITH STRATEGIES THAT ARE NOT THE ONE WE PLANNED OUT. :) |
| 04:07.09 | Neffi | People would get up there via wallclimbing, tap the flight master, and be able to visit whenever they wanted |
| 04:07.27 | Neffi | They removed the flight path early in the game too |
| 04:07.55 | Amarande | and yet on the other hand they encourage you to explore and attempt to do things your way. heh. |
| 04:08.14 | Neffi | This site still probably has a lot of the old gems: http://warcraftlesstraveled.com/ |
| 04:08.29 | Neffi | AZ crater :D |
| 04:09.06 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Category:Closed_zones |
| 04:11.20 | Amarande | bleh I should probably reinstall QuestGuru |
| 04:11.32 | Amarande | the most recent update seems to have somehow started to choke on the settings |
| 04:12.51 | bleeter | what ever happened to Doctor Lapidis? |
| 04:13.06 | kd3 | never made it out of alpha |
| 04:13.28 | Neffi | They should bring him back |
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| 04:14.58 | Neffi | I'm still waiting for the damn Emerald Dream expansion |
| 04:15.02 | Neffi | wtf blizzard? |
| 04:15.07 | Neffi | I will resub if you make it |
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| 04:44.38 | Amarande | curse you, curse |
| 04:44.58 | Amarande | I just had to update questguru manually from wowi to get it to work right :S |
| 04:45.00 | Trela | D: |
| 04:48.46 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what i did to make my DE start using 38% ram |
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| 04:56.24 | Gnarfone | Nice |
| 04:57.03 | Gnarfone | Well, at least I'll possibly be able to use IRC ;-) |
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| 05:00.28 | Arrowmaster | kd3: my laptop is turning into an unmaintainable mess of packages i cant upgrade |
| 05:00.56 | kd3 | `yum distro-sync`, or failing that, nuke and pave? |
| 05:00.59 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: time to back up /home if necessary and reinstall a fresh distro? :) |
| 05:01.32 | Arrowmaster | no im keeping them held back to prevent a certain package from breaking |
| 05:02.07 | Neffi | sounds like some messy fun |
| 05:02.21 | kd3 | your package manager should have a way to lock the version of a package so the rest of the distro can update around it. I know yum has a plugin to do that, at least. I'd assume apt does too |
| 05:02.31 | Neffi | Before long I bet you'll wonder why the hell you even thought it was worth it |
| 05:02.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah in debian gnome moved from libcogl9 to libcogl12 or something and broke cinnamon, eventually im just going to have to make my own cinnamon package |
| 05:03.32 | Neffi | I believe Mint offers a debian base |
| 05:03.39 | Arrowmaster | broken there too |
| 05:03.41 | Neffi | Debian-based Mint that is |
| 05:03.42 | kd3 | appropriately enough, the plugin is called `yum-plugin-versionlock` |
| 05:03.44 | Neffi | lol wow |
| 05:04.05 | tzarc | mint debian edition is based off testing, so it'd have picked up the same issue |
| 05:04.22 | Arrowmaster | yeah mint has a newer version of cinnamon but its still not built for the new version of libcogl |
| 05:04.39 | Arrowmaster | LMDE still doesnt have cinnamon 2.0 though |
| 05:04.40 | Neffi | Try building it and seeing if there's any breakage? |
| 05:05.02 | tzarc | was gonna throw debian on my main desktop at home on the weekend |
| 05:05.14 | tzarc | windows 8.1 can suck fat hairy donkey scrotum |
| 05:05.21 | Neffi | Cinnamon hit 2.0? I've gotta check that out |
| 05:05.22 | Arrowmaster | its great unless you want to use cinnamon at the momment |
| 05:05.44 | Neffi | I love the direction Cinnamon is going, but on multiple distros I've tried it on, nothing seems quite perfect |
| 05:05.54 | tzarc | welcome to the world of linux :P |
| 05:06.14 | Fisker | Oh you Arrowmaster |
| 05:06.17 | Neffi | It's alright. I'm a programmer who's open to taking on challenges. |
| 05:06.23 | tzarc | ^5 |
| 05:06.38 | Neffi | I was just waiting until I didnt care about any Windows games anymore to switch over and start getting knee deep in trying to fix shit |
| 05:06.55 | tzarc | I'm in the same boat, (un)fortunately |
| 05:07.12 | tzarc | this weekend was gonna be when I try and make it stick |
| 05:07.31 | Neffi | I bought a USB stick to do the move recently. Just haven't had the will to do it yet. |
| 05:07.51 | tzarc | figuring out which SSD to buy for the same reason |
| 05:08.05 | Neffi | I wanna try out Awesome and see if I can't make a really nice custom config that's essentially Cinnamon's GUI concept, with some useful features on top of it, and better tiling |
| 05:08.30 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: its so smooth compared to my nexus s, im so happy |
| 05:08.51 | Fisker | :3 |
| 05:08.53 | kd3 | you already got your 5? |
| 05:08.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:09.01 | Fisker | Mine still hasn't arrived in germany |
| 05:09.11 | Fisker | and then a few days from germany to denmark :( |
| 05:09.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont like the launcher compared to Nova though, Nova needs to update and add the new features |
| 05:11.19 | Neffi | Oh dman, Cinn 2.0 looks good |
| 05:12.24 | Neffi | It also appears that it should now work as flawlessly on Fedora as it does on Mint. |
| 05:12.37 | Neffi | Good incentive to just switch to Cinn 2.0 and put off making my own WM for a bit |
| 05:16.52 | Fisker | you don't like it, just the features Arrowmaster |
| 05:16.54 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 05:16.58 | Fisker | I like it |
| 05:17.00 | Fisker | best launcher eu |
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| 05:17.45 | Arrowmaster | my case arrives the day i leave so no case for a week |
| 05:18.23 | Iriel | Who here is going to be at BlizzCon? I should know but i haven't been paying sufficient attention (sorry) |
| 05:18.39 | kd3|hate`net | points at the ui dinner thread |
| 05:18.46 | Iriel | Good call |
| 05:18.47 | kd3|hate`net | I (and arrow and pompy) fly out on wednesday |
| 05:19.04 | Iriel | What time do you arrive weds? |
| 05:19.16 | Arrowmaster | noon |
| 05:19.29 | kd3 | ^ |
| 05:19.31 | Arrowmaster | at lax |
| 05:19.40 | Arrowmaster | pompy an hour before |
| 05:20.14 | Iriel | will likely get in (to the hotel area) around 5-6pm |
| 05:20.58 | kd3 | it'll probably be 1:30-2ish for us, assuming baggage claim/traffic will be as horrendous as usual |
| 05:21.15 | Iriel | I was going to make ajoke about beating you there |
| 05:21.22 | Iriel | But if that DID actually happen it wouldn't be funny |
| 05:21.29 | kd3 | yah |
| 05:21.47 | Torhal | Kaelten and I should be showing up around 13:00 or so |
| 05:22.06 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: lax or sna? |
| 05:22.58 | Amarande | I'm still thinking of snagging the virtual ticket, but I probably won't :S |
| 05:23.28 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: No idea, he has the itinerary |
| 05:24.25 | Gnarfoz | < 13:00 at LAX, +clueless and lost |
| 05:24.30 | Gnarfoz | ;-) |
| 05:24.53 | Arrowmaster | and your are renting a car and have to drive from LAX to Anaheim |
| 05:25.00 | Seerah | We'll be getting into SNA around 10:45 on Wed |
| 05:25.16 | Seerah | (pm) |
| 05:25.17 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: The only thing I'm not liking about this client is the lack of a "this is where you were" bar when returning to a channel. Otherwise, it's awesome. |
| 05:25.35 | Arrowmaster | apparently the partying will start around 2pm wednesday |
| 05:25.46 | Torhal | Hah |
| 05:25.53 | kd3 | here's how the supershuttles have taken me to anaheim every time I've flown in via lax: http://goo.gl/maps/N4O67 |
| 05:26.37 | Arrowmaster | last time the supershuttle took me to the other airport on the way to lax on monday |
| 05:26.42 | kd3 | heh, I was mentioning to friends at dinner tonight that I'm going more for the parties this time than for the convention itself |
| 05:26.44 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt happy |
| 05:26.48 | kd3 | wow |
| 05:27.18 | Fisker | Nurnberg, Germany 04.11.2013 23:32Abfahrts Scan :( |
| 05:27.19 | Arrowmaster | long beach airport i think |
| 05:27.23 | Fisker | be faster Gnarfoz |
| 05:28.40 | Arrowmaster | everybody got all their flight, hotel, and blizzcon details all printed up before hand |
| 05:28.55 | Iriel | Mostly |
| 05:28.56 | Cairenn | I won't be getting in until 7pm-ish on Wednesday. I figure that most of us will either find each other in front of the 'con center or down at Tony Roma's, per usual |
| 05:29.14 | kd3 | printed? I've got all the confirmation numbers on my phone as calendar entries |
| 05:29.35 | Iriel | I find printing works better when waved at front desk people than a phone |
| 05:29.39 | Arrowmaster | im old fashioned, i still print that kinda stuff |
| 05:29.40 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 05:29.41 | Iriel | so i'll have my hotel stuff printed beforehand |
| 05:29.56 | Iriel | I did get my confirmation from the housing authority tho |
| 05:30.34 | kd3 | eh, my HHonors card serves for that |
| 05:31.43 | Arrowmaster | i still dont know if im going to be charged any extra taxes than what ive already paid |
| 05:31.52 | Iriel | I booked indirectly, since the rates were better |
| 05:31.57 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 05:32.07 | Arrowmaster | $110 a night at marriot |
| 05:32.18 | Arrowmaster | fucking steal |
| 05:32.35 | kd3 | ow |
| 05:32.40 | kd3 | wow* |
| 05:32.50 | Cairenn | wish I could have gotten that price |
| 05:33.02 | Arrowmaster | i booked in bebruary |
| 05:33.07 | Arrowmaster | feburary |
| 05:33.11 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:33.12 | Cairenn | heh |
| 05:33.30 | Gnarfoz | booked ages ago, travel agent went bankrupt :P |
| 05:33.40 | Torhal | Hah |
| 05:33.48 | Gnarfoz | now somebody else has our rooms at the Marriott :P |
| 05:34.01 | Torhal | I wonder ho much the shuttle will cost... |
| 05:34.07 | Arrowmaster | $15 |
| 05:34.18 | Gnarfoz | all water under the bridge now (except for where's mah moneh!?!), got other things to think about ;) |
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| 05:34.28 | Torhal | So I have to save at least $30 |
| 05:34.41 | kd3 | use the code 23f3s for $2 off each way |
| 05:34.43 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: you should bring more than $30 if you want to eat |
| 05:35.18 | kd3 | assuming you book online in the 24 hours or so |
| 05:35.30 | Torhal | Err, I meant save $15 because I'll obviously have the initial amount...:) |
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| 05:35.47 | Arrowmaster | book online and pay both ahead of time |
| 05:36.11 | kd3 | s/the/the next/ |
| 05:36.12 | Torhal | I'll have to check into that - I didn't know I was coming until two weeks ago |
| 05:36.12 | Arrowmaster | get the flight details from Kaelten so you can tell supershuttle the departure info |
| 05:36.21 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: where are you staying? |
| 05:36.26 | Torhal | Hilton |
| 05:36.58 | Arrowmaster | rooming with Kaelten i assume? theres no other way you could get a room at the hilton in 2 weeks notice |
| 05:37.00 | Kaelten | Torhal, don't worry about the shuttle ;) |
| 05:37.09 | Torhal | Oh |
| 05:37.21 | Iriel | I know people who've gotten a room at the hilton on Wednesday. |
| 05:37.27 | Iriel | eyes dolby |
| 05:37.30 | kd3 | well that makes it easy |
| 05:37.49 | Kaelten | yeah they still have suits to upgrade to I know I saw with my reservation |
| 05:38.10 | Arrowmaster | at how much a night though? |
| 05:38.19 | Kaelten | couple hundred, lol |
| 05:39.05 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: we have our own rooms. Guessing they were pre-booked, dunno |
| 05:39.36 | kd3 | eh, they still have rooms... looks like $239/night atm |
| 05:39.54 | Arrowmaster | so curse isnt having a major presence this year? |
| 05:40.11 | Kaelten | not this year those. Just us, the video team, and a few others |
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| 05:40.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was wondering who you didnt bring last time |
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| 05:48.00 | Neffi | Now I'm quite sure I didn't close Quassel |
| 06:03.47 | Amarande | kd3: ouch, that's even more than Dragon Con cost |
| 06:04.01 | kd3 | LA != cheap |
| 06:04.03 | kd3 | especially days before the con |
| 06:04.26 | kd3 | is paying significantly less than that for accommodation |
| 06:05.52 | kd3 | anyway, I need to sleep. I've gotta wake up early today so I can wake up earlier on wednesday if I want to get to the airport on time |
| 06:06.44 | Fisker | Bye kd3 |
| 06:07.00 | Fisker | hope you don't die before blizzcon |
| 06:07.38 | Mr_Rabies | if he does it -probably- wasn't me as a plan to steal his blizzcon ticket |
| 06:08.19 | Fisker | hey get your own victim |
| 06:08.37 | Mr_Rabies | i live closer |
| 06:23.08 | Amarande | hm did they do away with ilvl minimums altogether for enchants? |
| 06:23.56 | Amarande | like we can use bc, wrath, cata, mop enchants on baseline weapons now? |
| 06:24.35 | dolby | aye its very possible to get a room at the Hilton the day of Iriel |
| 06:25.51 | dolby | so many people canceling their reserved rooms before the 48hr limit |
| 06:25.58 | Amarande | hrm |
| 06:26.03 | dolby | because they cant get a ticket, etc |
| 06:26.05 | Amarande | guessing fiery weapon is pretty much a dead in the water enchant, then |
| 06:26.16 | Amarande | unless it procs at least three times as often as elemental force |
| 06:31.20 | Amarande | yeah, elemental force has just become your best friend EVER |
| 06:31.31 | nebula169 | Arrowmaster: you can get a room at the hilton the day of the con... few years ago i got an extra room on friday, was 220/night |
| 06:31.55 | Neffi | "The Day of Iriel" sounds like something from a fantasy story, dolby |
| 06:32.11 | Amarande | btw, I wish LA was especially expensive, actually, thinking about rooms in other cities I've been or wanted to go to lately |
| 06:32.13 | dolby | haha yeah |
| 06:32.18 | Neffi | Clearly Iriel is no common man |
| 06:32.23 | Iriel | Indeed. |
| 06:32.24 | Neffi | We've found you out, sir! |
| 06:32.25 | Amarande | New York and Atlanta have been *horrendously* expensive lately and are showing no signs of that changing anytime soon :| |
| 06:32.27 | Iriel | But the Day of Iriel is in June |
| 06:33.13 | Neffi | Don't count on it, Amarande |
| 06:33.35 | Neffi | The city's been hiking costs of a lot of things. Cost of living is steadily rising. The cost of other things 'round here rise quicker. |
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| 06:34.20 | Neffi | Every time I turn on the TV, it seems like the city wants to raise some tax, introduce a new one, or otherwise get more money |
| 06:35.03 | Semlar | and yet you keep doing it |
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| 06:36.02 | Neffi | touché |
| 06:43.59 | Amarande | Neffi: it's been a pretty sharp spike this year though |
| 06:44.09 | Amarande | used to be I could find a decent room for about 99-119 before taxes in midtown manhattan |
| 06:44.18 | Amarande | now the best I seem to find is about 130+taxes at the Hotel 31 |
| 06:45.44 | Neffi | I expected you to say something much worse than just 130 |
| 07:06.07 | Dagmar | Seriously, that's a good rate for anywhere in any city |
| 07:06.35 | Dagmar | The normal rate at the Marriott in redneck Franklin where Geek Media Expo was held was $119/night |
| 07:07.00 | Amarande | Dagmar: Atlanta seems to be worse. I can't seem to find *anything* decent for less than 140 if I plan a trip down there. |
| 07:07.12 | Amarande | Hell, the Marriott Marquis costs MORE now than it did when I was at Dragon Con, for instance |
| 07:07.13 | Dagmar | I would have guessed Manhattan to be twice that |
| 07:07.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: The pressure is somewhat off for that, partly because of con rates, and partly because they'd have to have a major fire to have *any* rooms empty during D*C |
| 07:08.21 | Dagmar | They could put a cot *on* the ice machine and charge $50/night for it. |
| 07:09.11 | Dagmar | Sadly, I remember when that Marriot was where I'd get my reservation because it was outside of the blast radius of DragonCon |
| 07:09.33 | Amarande | wow. a turn-in item I can't turn in for over *fifty* more levels. |
| 07:09.37 | Amarande | that has to be a record for me ever in WoW. |
| 07:10.28 | Amarande | well, all the D*Con hotels have spiked a lot, too |
| 07:10.34 | Dagmar | Is it called the 'Tis Bottle'? |
| 07:10.38 | Amarande | like I remember the Hyatt Regency used to be $79 a night when Con wasn't on |
| 07:10.44 | Amarande | now it's $150+ |
| 07:10.56 | Amarande | heh. my monk is level 30 and has a Flying Tiger Gourami already. |
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| 07:12.42 | Amarande | pretty sure you have to be at least 85 to even right-click it heh |
| 07:13.54 | Amarande | went up there for my level 30 zen pilgrimage quest and happened across a couple of fishing nodes near enough to snag while I was at it |
| 07:15.55 | Amarande | Never-fail fishing from schools is one of my favourite changes ever to fishing since I started WoWing. :) |
| 07:27.26 | Dagmar | wow pet battle zones |
| 07:27.26 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.28 | Dagmar | wow pet battle zones |
| 07:27.28 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.57 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 07:32.05 | Dagmar | Wow. I put those macros in so long ago |
| 07:32.15 | Dagmar | I dropped something rather heavy all over my keyboard |
| 07:33.38 | Dagmar | So apparently somewhere in Win7 is an accellerator for tidying up windows. heh |
| 07:34.22 | Dagmar | The delay was me looking at my screen going "Holy shit. I drop a jar full of screws on my keyboard and my desk becomes a disaster, but my desktop gets cleaned up?" |
| 07:39.21 | tzarc | windows + arrow keys move the active around, if that was what happened |
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| 08:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | random off-topic shot in the dark but are there any history/book nerds here? looking into books that employ the illuminated manuscript style but all i can find are books about illuminated manuscripts :| |
| 08:13.27 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies: http://www.sca.org/ will have links |
| 08:14.24 | Cairenn | You'll have to work through it, but somewhere or another on there you are likely to find links to various ones |
| 08:14.57 | Cairenn | Also, google search for "book of hours" will get you a bunch too |
| 08:15.51 | Cairenn | ditto 'book of kells' |
| 08:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i was looking at a version of the book of kells on amazon, but there's a few issues with it |
| 08:17.09 | Cairenn | but yeah, either through the SCA &/or RenFaire sites should also help |
| 08:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically just printed scans of pages and then some behind the scenes stuff, i want something as close as modern mass-printing can get to a real illuminated manuscript (also i don't understand gaelic :P) |
| 08:17.51 | Mr_Rabies | which wouldn't be such a big deal as an artpiece if it was literally just a really high quality print of the book of kells |
| 08:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.amazon.com/The-Book-Kells-Bernard-Meehan/dp/0500238944/ |
| 08:18.19 | Cairenn | I can't speak for RenFaires, but I know that SCA creates illuminated manuscripts |
| 08:18.26 | Mr_Rabies | i recently watched the animated movie "the secret of kells" and it reinvigorated my interest in that style |
| 08:18.32 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 08:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | that movie is really, really neat |
| 08:18.46 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:19.07 | Mr_Rabies | thanks a ton Cairenn, i'll look and see what i can find with the SCA and Renfaire stuff |
| 08:19.18 | Cairenn | You're welcome |
| 08:19.36 | Cairenn | book of hours is really good too |
| 08:20.01 | Cairenn | (and other various 'book of' &/or 'prayer books') |
| 08:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing that career field has pretty much dried up in the last 500-1000 years or so, but i'd love to learn and make them from scratch :p |
| 08:21.01 | Cairenn | Actually, not so little as you might think |
| 08:22.26 | Cairenn | And even if you can't make a career out of them, they still make a beautiful hobby :) |
| 08:24.24 | Cairenn | I'd love to be able to make them myself, but I have absolutely no (drawing) artistic talent. |
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| 08:39.07 | Torhal | Cairenn: Popup on WoWI: The page at ad.yieldads.com says: Mobo Market - Play NOW! |
| 08:39.19 | Cairenn | grrrr |
| 08:39.26 | Torhal | :/ |
| 08:39.49 | Cairenn | What page(s) did you see it on? |
| 08:40.15 | Torhal | Forum, new posts. Just finished reading one and was about to open a few more tabs when it appeared. |
| 08:40.22 | Cairenn | k |
| 08:40.23 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 08:40.25 | Torhal | np |
| 08:53.08 | Humbedooh | Torhal: you know what I hate more than popups? |
| 08:53.35 | Humbedooh | those ads that play that ghastly fanfare and go "we're not kidding, you're out 100,000th visitor!!" |
| 08:54.16 | Torhal | :/ |
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| 11:27.02 | zenzio | this sounds just about like my cooking skills... https://twitter.com/FootballEars/status/397018319657914368/photo/1 |
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| 13:55.25 | karl_w_w | should i buy ftl? |
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| 14:19.45 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.20 | Neffi | Exit out of WoW entirely before opening the file |
| 14:21.43 | Neffi | When you reload, log out, exit or otherwise "unload" the UI, all changes get written out to that file, undoing any changes you made |
| 14:23.15 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.18 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.39 | Neffi | You shou;dn't be modifying that directly |
| 14:24.12 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.19 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.39 | Neffi | You might, but you may do well dropping the sarcastic atitude first |
| 14:24.46 | nibordoohe | ?????? |
| 14:24.54 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.22 | Neffi | Does the addon not provide an in-game GUI for configuring itself? |
| 14:25.33 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.50 | Neffi | Fair enough. But be easy about it. |
| 14:26.03 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.08 | Neffi | Because it's not hard to lose all of those changes without realizing it, when the game decides to overwrite them |
| 14:26.41 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.53 | Neffi | I keep a backup myself. It is a good idea |
| 14:27.10 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.40 | Neffi | What's also really nasty is, if you make a little syntax error of any kind, the whole file will be wiped clean |
| 14:27.41 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.53 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.03 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.08 | Neffi | Game loads -> that files fails to load -> upon unload, it has nothing to write out, because the old stuff never got loaded, so it writes out a blank file |
| 14:28.32 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.34 | Neffi | Or, it writes out the addon's defaults, depending on how the addon is coded |
| 14:28.42 | Neffi | I've had it burn me before |
| 14:29.03 | Neffi | Miss a comma in a table, and I nuked everything in Bindpad, that covered 6 different characters' macros |
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| 14:30.15 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.30 | Neffi | Computers do precisely what they're supposed to do |
| 14:30.36 | Neffi | Programmers can be very unforgiving |
| 14:30.56 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.01 | Neffi | But in their defense, you're not supposed to touch that file by hand |
| 14:31.10 | Neffi | And it's Lua, not INI |
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| 14:31.39 | Neffi | . |
| 14:31.45 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.55 | nevcairiel | its a lua table |
| 14:31.59 | Neffi | It might look vaguely like INI, but that's definitely Lua. I'm familiar with it |
| 14:32.06 | Neffi | Lua just happens to be very human-readable |
| 14:32.24 | nevcairiel | programming languages which are not are terrible anyway |
| 14:32.30 | nevcairiel | *cough*perl*cough* |
| 14:32.50 | Neffi | That could cover just about every language i've ever seen, aside from Lua |
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| 14:34.42 | nebula169 | python kind of forces readablity on you, although it chains functions alot |
| 14:35.41 | Neffi | Forcing you to use tabs isn't readability; it's tyranny |
| 14:35.51 | nebula169 | i agree! |
| 14:36.17 | Neffi | If you can't manage to use whitespace correctly, it should be blatantly apparent to anyone reading your code, so they know to throw your code away |
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| 14:43.29 | karl_w_w | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com.au/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html nebula169 |
| 14:44.36 | Neffi | That's alot of words. Alot to read. Can you summarize it for me, karl_w_w? |
| 14:45.06 | karl_w_w | im afraid i cant i have enough trouble typing with only 2 fingers |
| 14:46.18 | nebula169 | just you wait, alot will be a standard word eventually! just like awhile. |
| 14:46.49 | Neffi | Define "standard word" |
| 14:47.47 | karl_w_w | what do you "just like awhile"? |
| 14:47.59 | Neffi | Definitions and grammatical rules are largely built as an observation OF common usage |
| 14:48.05 | Neffi | So arguably, `alot` is a word |
| 14:48.23 | nebula169 | added the oxford dictionary! |
| 14:48.27 | karl_w_w | a while and awhile are not the same thing |
| 14:48.28 | Neffi | But I choose not to believe my own argument, because that also makes `swag` acceptable |
| 14:48.28 | nebula169 | to the* |
| 14:48.31 | nebula169 | i really need to go to bed |
| 14:49.08 | karl_w_w | swag has been a word for a long time Neffi |
| 14:49.28 | karl_w_w | the problem is people who think it's an adjective |
| 14:50.01 | Neffi | I was referring to that particular sense of it |
| 14:50.08 | Neffi | I'm well aware of the noun form |
| 14:53.27 | karl_w_w | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/480/339/12b.jpg lol |
| 14:54.17 | nebula169 | and karl_w_w its pretty much the same? alot and awhile are adverbs, "for a while" and "a lot" are noun usage |
| 14:55.35 | Neffi | ADverbs? wtf u talkin about |
| 14:55.47 | Neffi | theres verb, noun n adjective. i went 2 elemtnary skool! |
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| 15:21.30 | pompy | Cairenn: just replied. |
| 15:29.10 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.14 | Arrowmaster | ......... |
| 15:29.45 | Arrowmaster | SERIOUSLY!?!?!?! |
| 15:29.54 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: ? |
| 15:30.16 | Arrowmaster | the case for my new nexus 5 just left anaheim today...... |
| 15:30.44 | Arrowmaster | i should have just shipped it to the hotel |
| 15:32.21 | nevcairiel | luckily cases are overrated |
| 15:33.06 | Arrowmaster | well the ceramic buttons are kinda sharp on the nexus 5 so i was hoping to put a case on it soon |
| 15:33.33 | Arrowmaster | and the back gets smudged up with finger prints badly |
| 15:34.09 | nevcairiel | oh no, you need to clean it :D |
| 15:34.23 | Arrowmaster | #firstworldnexus5problems |
| 15:35.05 | Arrowmaster | i sound as bad as Fisker |
| 15:35.15 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Ouch, that's shitty |
| 15:35.49 | Arrowmaster | i paid a whole extra $5 for expedited shipping and it will get here one day too late |
| 15:36.04 | nevcairiel | its kinda funny that the first thing the n5 does is ask for wifi and download an update |
| 15:36.10 | nevcairiel | even before asking to log into the google account :P |
| 15:36.44 | Neffi | skynet |
| 15:36.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was on the phone activating my new sim card and was asked to make a phone call to test it, 'sorry it wants to connect to wifi and download an update first' |
| 15:37.11 | Arrowmaster | i had to reenter my stupidly long wpa key a 2nd time after the update |
| 15:37.12 | nevcairiel | i think you can skip |
| 15:37.30 | Arrowmaster | i need to change that stupid key but i dont want to have to change it on every device |
| 15:37.49 | nevcairiel | long passwords are good |
| 15:38.21 | Arrowmaster | its 63 random alphanumeric characters |
| 15:38.34 | Neffi | Not 64? casual |
| 15:38.39 | Arrowmaster | you cant use 64 |
| 15:38.46 | nevcairiel | you only enter it once per device usually, so meh |
| 15:38.57 | Arrowmaster | the worst was entering it on the ps3 |
| 15:39.02 | Neffi | hha |
| 15:39.44 | Arrowmaster | ok now that i grabbed the right envelope with my paycheck in it i need to return to the bank |
| 15:43.45 | Fisker | I don't have mine Arrowmaster |
| 15:43.58 | Fisker | firster world problems |
| 15:51.24 | karl_w_w | you could have just plugged a keyboard into the ps3 Arrowmaster :P |
| 15:55.18 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: im going to send you pictures from the plane tomorrow during takeoff because i can |
| 15:55.55 | Fisker | thanks |
| 15:56.44 | pompy | Arrowmaster: picked a window seat? |
| 15:56.50 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 16:04.52 | Sintacks | inb4 Arrowmaster drops and shatters phone |
| 16:09.46 | Fisker | can't |
| 16:09.50 | Fisker | no glass back |
| 16:09.59 | Fisker | http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.UnkXs9zuJGS <-uh ok |
| 16:15.04 | Neffi | wtf |
| 16:17.25 | foxlit | quick, what's the plural of taint.log? |
| 16:18.12 | nevcairiel | taint.logs? :p |
| 16:18.38 | foxlit | but isn't that confusing with the .logs extension? |
| 16:18.55 | Fisker | taint.log's |
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| 16:19.55 | Neffi | `taint.log`s |
| 16:20.16 | Stanzilla | "your versions of taint.log" |
| 16:20.17 | foxlit | but isn't that confusing with possessive form, Fisker? |
| 16:20.17 | Stanzilla | BAM |
| 16:20.25 | Unkle | Station |
| 16:20.29 | Fisker | WHAT DO YOU WANT! |
| 16:20.39 | Fisker | with a questionmark |
| 16:20.59 | foxlit | Stanzilla: "taint.log files" would'e also been acceptable. |
| 16:21.12 | foxlit | but that hardly makes for concise headlines. |
| 16:22.12 | foxlit | (and taint.logii would've been slightly funny) |
| 16:22.28 | karl_w_w | I have never heard it called taint.log |
| 16:22.43 | karl_w_w | So I'm sure "taint logs" would have been just fine |
| 16:23.04 | foxlit | the file name is taint.log |
| 16:23.31 | karl_w_w | yeah, but I've only ever seen them referred to as taint logs |
| 16:23.36 | karl_w_w | not by the file name |
| 16:25.24 | Fisker | yes foxlit |
| 16:25.26 | Fisker | taint.logii |
| 16:25.26 | Fisker | do it |
| 16:25.37 | Fisker | or taint.logses |
| 16:26.31 | foxlit | precious.logsies? |
| 16:26.44 | Unkle | expects Fisker to start rasping out "Gollum, gollum, gollum" any second now... |
| 16:26.59 | Fisker | nope Unkle |
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| 16:37.22 | Ackis | what's the chart called when you just have an x and y axis, with ranges in the positive and negative? |
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| 16:39.01 | foxlit | a cartesian coordinate system. |
| 16:39.13 | Fisker | I call it a graph |
| 16:39.24 | foxlit | There are far more exciting things to call graphs. |
| 16:40.28 | Ackis | a graph is too broad of a term, I needed something more specific |
| 16:40.30 | Ackis | ty foxlit |
| 16:41.31 | Unkle | cartesian is the sexy data display with a a long tradition of build a relationship with your data. |
| 16:41.49 | Unkle | ugh. I engrish guut. |
| 16:42.37 | Unkle | And I worked too hard to build Cartesian and Courtesan into a pun. |
| 16:42.55 | foxlit | we'll never forgive your crimes against pumanity, Unkle. |
| 16:43.32 | Unkle | I shall be /sentanced/ to work in the word mines until I am dead, dead, dead? |
| 16:43.49 | Unkle | ARGH! Again. Sentenced. |
| 16:44.01 | Unkle | I should just go home and go back to bed. |
| 16:44.08 | nevcairiel | you totally should |
| 16:44.10 | nevcairiel | i allow it |
| 16:44.53 | Unkle | Meh. Vacation starts tonight. |
| 16:45.31 | Arrowmaster | a Lead IT Tech possition was just posted on my colleges job search site, 48-54k/yr for qualifications i meet, holy hell im applying now |
| 16:47.04 | nevcairiel | a lead position that low on money? |
| 16:47.10 | Fisker | good luck Arrowmaster |
| 16:47.18 | Fisker | Probably not bad for the US nevcairiel |
| 16:47.36 | Unkle | 48-54K a year for a University gig isn't bad. |
| 16:48.02 | nevcairiel | i assume thats gross, right? |
| 16:48.02 | Unkle | Universities tend to load up on bennefits. |
| 16:48.14 | Arrowmaster | its not a uni position afaik, but its double what im currently making and has qualifications i meet |
| 16:48.43 | Arrowmaster | this area of the us sucks for tech jobs so ill take what i can get |
| 16:50.48 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Worst decision I ever made was moving back to Ohio. Ended up in retail for a decade. |
| 16:51.38 | Arrowmaster | i hate this place but at least im making money with almost zero expenses |
| 16:51.40 | Alram | when you greet people in ohio Torhal |
| 16:51.41 | Alram | do you go like |
| 16:51.44 | Alram | ohi |
| 16:52.50 | Torhal | stabs Alram with cauliflower. |
| 16:52.55 | Alram | :( |
| 16:55.00 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: it took me an hour just to get across columbus on the 31st, 2.5 hour drive home instead of the usual 1.4 hour drive |
| 16:55.45 | Torhal | Www |
| 16:56.14 | Torhal | Eww, rather. Damn tablet. |
| 16:56.44 | Arrowmaster | and 70's had multiple closing from crashes this past week but luckily they were all on the opposite direction i was going |
| 16:57.07 | Arrowmaster | a Uhual caught on fire and had west bound closed most the morning |
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| 17:36.10 | Fisker | tackles towards Arrowmaster |
| 17:37.09 | Ressy | lawlz. Its official. Toronto city Mayor Rob Ford just admitted to smoking crack cocaine while drunk, within the last year. This is the same guy who got that caught on video, which someone died over. |
| 17:37.26 | nicoli_s | someone died over that video? |
| 17:38.50 | Ressy | ya |
| 17:39.04 | Ressy | They were trying to get the video covered up. |
| 17:41.07 | Ressy | http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/27/rob_ford_crack_video_scandal_guilty_plea_in_anthony_smith_shooting_death.html |
| 17:41.36 | Ackis | has anyone played with google charts at all? |
| 17:41.37 | Unkle | Well, does this mean there will be an entirely new phase of news coverage "Ford GUILTY!" |
| 17:41.57 | Ressy | There's a hashtag on twitter just started: #probablyinoneofmydrunkenstupors |
| 17:42.06 | Unkle | Also, happy Guy Fawks day. |
| 17:42.17 | Unkle | Fawkes. |
| 17:43.53 | Torhal | Unkle: Who are all these Fawkes? |
| 17:44.13 | Unkle | What dies Fawkes say? |
| 17:44.24 | Unkle | s/dies/does |
| 17:47.52 | Fisker | wait Ressy |
| 17:48.13 | Fisker | Rob Ford orchestrated that murder? |
| 17:48.33 | Ressy | no. His inner circle wanted it deleted, and told others it needed to be deleted. |
| 17:48.49 | Ressy | as far as I'm aware anyways |
| 17:48.55 | Fisker | This is canada we're talking about right? |
| 17:48.57 | Ressy | yeah |
| 17:49.19 | Ressy | murder happened in Alberta I think it was.. One of the guys left Ontario to get away from this fiasco, and the gang members followed him |
| 17:49.40 | Fisker | I don't believe you.gif |
| 17:50.14 | Fisker | It's almost as messed up as this guy who got anally probed like 6 times for narcotics |
| 17:50.17 | Fisker | and x-rayed twice |
| 17:50.22 | Torhal | baleets Fisker. |
| 17:59.39 | nicoli_s | that was a fucked up article :( |
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| 18:12.12 | karl_w_w | ah blizzard |
| 18:12.23 | karl_w_w | the cause of, and solution to, all of wow's problems |
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| 18:19.13 | Sintacks | well |
| 18:19.14 | Sintacks | duh |
| 18:19.16 | Sintacks | they did make it |
| 18:21.52 | karl_w_w | hey Sintacks, where did you put the honey? |
| 18:22.22 | mikma | bear ate it |
| 18:23.46 | Unkle | It was confiscated by airport security. Didn't you read Dawnkin's twitter feed? |
| 18:24.15 | karl_w_w | oh no, my phone bill is here |
| 18:24.21 | karl_w_w | $11, how will I cope |
| 18:24.30 | TC-Work | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 18:24.30 | purl | follow's karl_w_w with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 18:24.35 | mikma | tear it from the ass-skin |
| 18:26.30 | foxlit | hm, the faction capitals should get a portal to dalarn. |
| 18:26.35 | foxlit | s/dalarn/dalaran/ |
| 18:27.11 | foxlit | [it's just so inconvenient to slingshot through the vale to get to northrend pet tamers!] |
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| 18:28.20 | karl_w_w | and I was just lamenting the death of travelling in wow |
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| 18:43.25 | Fisker | https://github.com/limnick/gifbot |
| 18:43.27 | Fisker | SCIENCE |
| 18:43.31 | Fisker | get in here Stanzilla |
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| 18:45.40 | Stanzilla | why |
| 18:46.06 | TC-Work | Why not? |
| 18:46.38 | Fisker | it's science Stanzilla |
| 18:46.50 | Stanzilla | nice |
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| 19:00.54 | fewyn | https://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 19:02.08 | Mr_Rabies | if i didn't already own pretty much all of those i'd be down :( |
| 19:02.52 | fewyn | i don't care for the fear games |
| 19:02.58 | fewyn | but the arkham asylum is on my list |
| 19:03.05 | fewyn | i already have city |
| 19:06.51 | zenzelezz | so I couldn't for the life of me figure out why my videocard wouldn't work after assembling the new PC |
| 19:07.09 | zenzelezz | embarrassingly enough the answer was "it helps to connect the power cords" |
| 19:07.36 | Kaylin | ah yes I had that problem last time |
| 19:07.41 | Unkle | If I had a nickel for every time I've had that same issue... |
| 19:07.45 | TC-Work | You didn't plug it in? |
| 19:07.47 | Kaylin | but don't you love when that's the issue and not some component is fried? |
| 19:07.53 | Unkle | I'd have several dollars at least. |
| 19:07.59 | Kaylin | me too @ Unkle |
| 19:08.03 | TC-Work | Yea, The nice thing about nvidia is it displays that on the screen. |
| 19:08.17 | Fisker | hey |
| 19:08.29 | Fisker | There's noone to tackle today |
| 19:11.03 | Cairenn | tackles Fisker |
| 19:11.18 | Fisker | tackles Cairenn back |
| 19:11.23 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:11.26 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:11.31 | Esamynn|work | ~poke Cairenn |
| 19:11.31 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:11.33 | Esamynn|work | ~poke Fisker |
| 19:11.33 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Fisker, pokes Fisker repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 19:11.38 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:11.39 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:12.52 | Fisker | https://www.humblebundle.com/ <-that's certainly not a huge donation for a man of his stature |
| 19:14.16 | zenzelezz | when are they going to start shipping drivers on USB keys instead of CDs :-| |
| 19:14.45 | Fisker | when you can print usb keys |
| 19:15.07 | zenzelezz | I guess it'll be the same day that they make TV remotes that don't have 10-degree angle of operation |
| 19:15.33 | Mr_Rabies | Batman, inc. is pretty expensive to upkeep these days, Fisker |
| 19:16.14 | Fisker | They already made that a long time ago zenzelezz |
| 19:16.30 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: It's going to be a while. Thumbdrives can't yet be manufactured for a nickel |
| 19:16.38 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:16.47 | Mr_Rabies | plus wayne enterprises and all that charity work he does in the impoverished areas of gotham |
| 19:16.54 | Dagmar | ...although I'm not going to be suprised to see some games being shipped on thumbdrives soon |
| 19:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | some are already for deluxe editions, etc |
| 19:17.42 | Unkle | zenzelezz: Lots of manufacturers aren't even including driver media - they're relying on support from OS vendors and access to the internet. |
| 19:17.44 | nevcairiel | wait, games still come with a physical form? |
| 19:17.46 | nevcairiel | _Ü |
| 19:17.48 | Mr_Rabies | basically you get a neat branded flash drive and don't have to download the game |
| 19:17.49 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:17.51 | Dagmar | If the PS3 were capable of it, had I KNOWN it was going to take a fucking hour to instlal GTAV I would have paid more money to get it on a thumbdrive instead |
| 19:17.57 | Stanzilla | _Ü |
| 19:18.08 | Fisker | _Ü |
| 19:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still not really sold on digital distribution, honestly |
| 19:18.44 | Fisker | wat |
| 19:18.47 | Mr_Rabies | i buy games on steam but i pretty much regard them as a rental and only buy them at prices that reflect that |
| 19:18.53 | Fisker | We've traveled back in time |
| 19:18.53 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: last year I threw out hte contents of a six-by-foot foot bookcase full of game boxes |
| 19:19.04 | Dagmar | I have more games than that in Steam |
| 19:19.08 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 19:19.10 | Dagmar | ...and they can't burn up in a fire. |
| 19:19.19 | Mr_Rabies | steam currently lets you play that many games |
| 19:19.23 | Mr_Rabies | at least |
| 19:19.45 | Unkle | You guys buy a lot more games than I do. |
| 19:19.57 | Dagmar | Probably. I've also actually been buying htem a long damn time |
| 19:20.00 | zenzelezz | ... 102 MB download for "onboard lan driver"... |
| 19:20.06 | Esamynn|work | that is the worry in the back of my mind with things like steam... what if I want to replay this 10 years from now... |
| 19:20.07 | Fisker | http://steamdb.info/calculator/?player=76561197960327485¤cy=us |
| 19:20.08 | Fisker | a few |
| 19:20.18 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Yeah that's like 90% installer framework almost for certain |
| 19:20.19 | Fisker | offline mode it in a few months Esamynn|work |
| 19:20.44 | Dagmar | Esamynn: In that case you'll be no worse off than if you had physical media |
| 19:20.52 | Fisker | Intel drivers for nic's are fucking huge |
| 19:21.13 | Dagmar | Newell was always very clear about should they ever decide to stop shipping or supporting a game, they'll start publishing a patch to remove steam protection from it |
| 19:21.21 | Esamynn|work | Virtual Machines are a wonderful thing |
| 19:21.22 | Dagmar | ...and tghey've no intention of stopping storage of anything. |
| 19:21.35 | Amarande | I like digital distribution for PC games |
| 19:21.41 | Fisker | To be fair it was never worded in a guarantee kind of way Dagmar |
| 19:21.48 | Dagmar | There's single games now that take up more space than everything that was released in the latter half of 1997 put togethr. |
| 19:21.55 | Fisker | It's was more of a "Look we don't intend on screwing over our customers" |
| 19:22.01 | Amarande | it's increasingly hard to find PC games in brick and mortar these days, Best Buy and Gamestop around here don't seem to really have a very great selection |
| 19:22.03 | Dagmar | Fisker: No, it was worded as a promise, repeatedly |
| 19:22.04 | Fisker | but stuff beyond their control can still happen |
| 19:22.07 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:22.11 | Fisker | I disagree |
| 19:22.16 | Amarande | so it's either digital distribution or having to order from amazon and the like and wait for shipping |
| 19:22.18 | Dagmar | It was his repeating that over and over that evenutally got me to try it |
| 19:22.19 | Fisker | Alram get in here |
| 19:22.28 | Alram | hey |
| 19:22.44 | Dagmar | I go with digital and just burn my own backups |
| 19:22.44 | Fisker | Tell me I'm right |
| 19:22.48 | Mr_Rabies | the only problem with digital distribution is that we're not really ready for it |
| 19:22.58 | Alram | right about what Fisker |
| 19:23.00 | Alram | i cba to read back |
| 19:23.01 | Esamynn|work | it's not steam the worries me nearly as much as ... Origin |
| 19:23.03 | Unkle | I have a steam account because a few games I wanted to play couldn't be obtained any other way. |
| 19:23.17 | Dagmar | Psht. I'd say the problem is that the cable monopolies are trying to get a cut of it by restricting bandwidth |
| 19:23.18 | Amarande | meh. atm the only game I'm really possibly interested in buying off origin is DA2 |
| 19:23.20 | Esamynn|work | I first signed up for steam because I bought the orange box |
| 19:23.22 | Amarande | and I suppose DA3 when it comes out |
| 19:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | can't resell games, don't really own them in any real way, etc |
| 19:23.28 | Fisker | When gaben has said they would release a patch if they ever "went out of business" or something similar they would release a patch to remove the steam protection |
| 19:23.32 | Amarande | the only things I've actually BOUGHT off of origin aren't downloads, anyway heh |
| 19:23.34 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: ME3, only reason I have an Origin account |
| 19:23.40 | Fisker | I said it was never really worded as a promise/guarantee |
| 19:23.50 | Fisker | Just a "We'll do our best to not screw you over"-ish |
| 19:24.00 | Alram | yeah |
| 19:24.00 | Amarande | I've had an EA account for a long time, because I used to play Club Pogo games back in the mid-aughties |
| 19:24.05 | Alram | technically they can just drop your shit |
| 19:24.06 | Fisker | 2 against 1 |
| 19:24.07 | Fisker | woop |
| 19:24.09 | Alram | and nothing would happen |
| 19:24.16 | Amarande | and when they went to the EA Account system, if you had an account with ANY EA service you had an EA Account |
| 19:24.20 | Alram | obviously they would try to make it as smooth as possible |
| 19:24.26 | Alram | but still |
| 19:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | i'll be more sold on digital sales when we can transfer licenses, etc |
| 19:24.35 | Dagmar | That's a far cry from what EA pulled |
| 19:24.37 | Alram | in their ssa they can technically just fuck you over :P |
| 19:24.40 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: i'll be more sold on digital sales when we can transfer licenses, etc << ew. |
| 19:24.43 | Dagmar | I got royally fucked when they rolled everything into Origin |
| 19:24.57 | Esamynn|work | how so? |
| 19:25.00 | Dagmar | Spent three fucking hours on the phone with customer support trying to regain access to the games I'd bought |
| 19:25.07 | Esamynn|work | eewww |
| 19:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | until then, i'll spend less than half that i would otherwise |
| 19:25.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: lemme guess |
| 19:25.12 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: as if you can transfer licenses when you buy a game in a box |
| 19:25.19 | Amarande | you had multiple EA based accounts on your email address at that point |
| 19:25.20 | Alram | Valve's official stance has always been "we'll fix you guys up with something to keep letting you access your games" though Fisker |
| 19:25.24 | Alram | if Dagmar meant that |
| 19:25.30 | nevcairiel | 99% of all games require registering your key these days :p |
| 19:25.30 | Amarande | and the account it decided would become your "EA Account" was not the one that had the games on it :| |
| 19:25.34 | Dagmar | Esamynn: Since they're bitches who want to be able to sell email addresses, they decided that +tagged email addresses were invalid, and then simply truncated the addresses |
| 19:25.42 | foxlit | Transferring digital licenses is a can of worms so large that nothing will survive opening it. |
| 19:25.42 | Mr_Rabies | sure yeah, nevcairiel, pc games do |
| 19:25.56 | Fisker | Yeah Alram but it's still not a guarantee or anything really |
| 19:26.04 | Dagmar | ...and since they did it in a half-assed way, none of my accounts merged. Each successive one introduced to the system _overwrote_ the previous one. |
| 19:26.11 | Alram | frankly at this point valve can only do this for their own games |
| 19:26.16 | Alram | not for third party games |
| 19:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | i don't buy physical pc games for the same reason, nevcairiel |
| 19:26.22 | Dagmar | So, fuck a whole bunch of Origin. Never. Again. |
| 19:26.22 | Alram | seeing stuff is so integrated with steam |
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| 19:26.26 | nevcairiel | your loss, consoles stink :P |
| 19:26.34 | Esamynn|work | Dagmar: tagged, tagged how? |
| 19:26.35 | Amarande | well a lot of third party games I have from steam, I'm not sure how much the steam DRM is actually involved |
| 19:26.39 | Mr_Rabies | digital's 100% better, so i'll buy them, but at no more than half their retail price |
| 19:26.47 | foxlit | you're better off hoping for gaikai to invent some sort of zero-latency way to transfer your input to their video and vice versa. |
| 19:26.48 | Alram | Steam achievements? good chance its pretty integrated into steam |
| 19:26.49 | Mr_Rabies | usually more like 60-70% off, honestly |
| 19:26.54 | Dagmar | esamynn: evildagmar+da2@emailprovider.com |
| 19:26.58 | Amarande | mostly because of so many of them predating Steam altogether (KOTOR 1, the old id stuff, etc.) |
| 19:27.07 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt be surprised if the next gen consoles start linking your game copy to some account as well |
| 19:27.21 | Esamynn|work | ahhhh |
| 19:27.28 | Amarande | for some of them there's definitely no real DRM at all (like the ancient id stuff, where all you need is the .WAD file anyway since you'll probably be using ZDoom or the like, not the ancient DOS EXE that Steam tries to make work :P) |
| 19:27.33 | Dagmar | You can't use '+' in email addresses with Origin, and I was talking with a second level manager before I got someone with enough mental discipline to not try to claim '+' was an invalid character in an email address. |
| 19:27.33 | Mr_Rabies | possibly, but then i'd just be buying less games |
| 19:27.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: ugh, this reminds me of American Express a while back |
| 19:27.59 | Amarande | I locked myself out of my online Amex account management once |
| 19:28.02 | Amarande | the reason why? |
| 19:28.08 | Amarande | apparently, capital letters were not allowed in passwords |
| 19:28.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's not right to give up consumer rights like the second sale in the name of convenience |
| 19:28.15 | Amarande | and if you did include one, you could never log in properly anymore |
| 19:28.16 | Alram | however Fisker we have bigger issues to deal with if valve ever goes out of business |
| 19:28.17 | Dagmar | As far as I care nowadays, if your mail shit can't handle the plus tagging then fuck you I don't work with amateurs |
| 19:28.19 | Alram | like the destruction of planet earth |
| 19:28.37 | Dagmar | Amarande: Jesus christ that's worth a post to Full Disclosure |
| 19:28.38 | Esamynn|work | ... |
| 19:28.51 | Amarande | Dagmar: this was like a decade ago |
| 19:28.58 | Dagmar | Thank gofd |
| 19:29.03 | Amarande | although that kind of weakness still exists in a lot of places :| |
| 19:29.08 | Amarande | like ... battle.net, actually |
| 19:29.12 | Amarande | bnet passwords are not case sensitive :p |
| 19:29.19 | Esamynn|work | what site was it I discovered wouldn't take symbols the otehr week? |
| 19:29.21 | Dagmar | Yeah but they don't fuck it up at least |
| 19:29.26 | Esamynn|work | damn, I don't remember (this was in my password) |
| 19:29.40 | Amarande | I'm guessing that what amex probably had meant to do was be non case sensitive like bnet |
| 19:29.43 | Dagmar | If they could readily detect caps-lock the thing to do would be able to just yell at the user for having it pressed |
| 19:29.55 | Amarande | but wasn't doing a tolower() when *setting* the password |
| 19:30.08 | Amarande | so you could set a password with caps, then you'd try to log in, it probably tolower()'s what you enter so it never matches |
| 19:30.09 | Esamynn|work | fun times |
| 19:31.11 | Dagmar | Trevor Phllips is way more disturbing |
| 19:31.15 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 19:31.15 | Amarande | it's a pity we haven't just gone to key based authentication |
| 19:31.25 | Dagmar | That's because we're not asian |
| 19:31.27 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 19:31.28 | Amarande | as a standard (works with shell accounts and such, but not in the mainstream :S) |
| 19:31.35 | Dagmar | Google's working on it |
| 19:31.43 | Amarande | I guess it'd be because the ordinary joe would have all kinds of issues with it |
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| 19:31.53 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/how-an-epic-blunder-by-adobe-could-strengthen-hand-of-password-crackers/ |
| 19:31.55 | Amarande | and thus to make it work for ordinary joes it'd probably be watered down to depend on a TPM |
| 19:32.07 | Amarande | and then it'd get lambasted because, "trustworthy computing is the deeeeevil man" |
| 19:32.16 | Dagmar | No one else really has the weight to develop and distribute such a thing, because they'll all try to fuck each other over by inventing patent-protected "standards" that are fucking worthless |
| 19:32.22 | Amarande | well, really that's the problem with TC, ultimately |
| 19:32.35 | Primer | ultimately the problem is PEBKAC |
| 19:32.36 | Amarande | TC combines basically the best and worst of things, a lot of the time :| |
| 19:32.52 | Dagmar | ...just so they can fuck with and generally interefere with anyone else's efforts to develop a platform-neutral two-factor mechanic |
| 19:33.02 | Mr_Rabies | argh why do people on openraid do pretty much exclusively 14 people flex raid runs |
| 19:33.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: Google's USB key cheats. |
| 19:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | it's not THAT much harder to add more players, and if you get good ones, can be quite a bit easier |
| 19:33.24 | Amarande | a lot of the ideas behind TC are a good idea and probably would cut back on hacking a LOT |
| 19:33.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: It just pretends to be a fucking keyboard that types in the time-changing password |
| 19:33.53 | Amarande | but it also usually ends up being too encumbered by DRM features which end up taking centre stage :S |
| 19:33.53 | Dagmar | So think of it like an authenticator that types for you |
| 19:34.11 | Esamynn|work | Unkle: shit, I hadn't realised they had used a reversible algorithm :( |
| 19:34.34 | Amarande | like, remote attestation? the idea of demanding a pre-registered key from a known computer to log in (and a reasonably secure means of registering said keys)? |
| 19:34.35 | Unkle | Esamynn|work: Me either until I saw the article. |
| 19:34.39 | Amarande | probably a good idea |
| 19:34.50 | Fisker | yeah Alram |
| 19:34.52 | Amarande | but ... everyone's oh "it'll let them track your computer ..." |
| 19:34.58 | Fisker | I don't look forward to the destruction of the earth |
| 19:35.05 | Dagmar | Another reason it's useful that it just pretends to be a keyboard |
| 19:36.10 | Amarande | yeah, that's another big issue with TPM |
| 19:36.20 | Amarande | I am not seeing any way to add a TPM to a present build, e.g. a PCI-E x1 card or the such |
| 19:36.30 | Amarande | you basically seem to have to get an entirely new motherboard to get support for it :| |
| 19:58.54 | Ackis | meh I'm trying to learn javascript, html 5, and css all at once without any plan of attack... not so fun |
| 20:01.04 | nicoli_s | what are you trying to do? |
| 20:01.51 | Semlar | i would start with html |
| 20:02.18 | Semlar | the other two are based around manipulating it |
| 20:07.34 | TC-Work | Ackis: I'm doing JS, AJAX, PHP, and Python all around a rather complex google maps replacment. And I have no idea what I am doing. |
| 20:07.48 | nicoli_s | that sounds fun |
| 20:07.54 | nicoli_s | i love doing web based mapping |
| 20:08.21 | TC-Work | It's for the company floor map. I wanted something more than what we currently have. |
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| 20:17.09 | Primer | I've been working for a maps place for the past 4 years now |
| 20:17.17 | Primer | it's good stuff |
| 20:17.51 | Semlar | maps you say |
| 20:18.00 | TC-Work | Commercial? |
| 20:18.40 | Primer | yes |
| 20:19.27 | Primer | Granted, our site uses old tech, but we're slowly phasing that out |
| 20:19.34 | Primer | very...slowly... |
| 20:19.53 | Primer | it's also a non-profit |
| 20:36.26 | nicoli_s | i always enjoy doing map systems for mmo db sites |
| 20:38.46 | kd3 | whee. checked in to my flight and home early to get started packing |
| 20:38.57 | kd3 | boo at having to wake up at 0530 tomorrow |
| 20:39.08 | Fisker | Only do that pretty much every day |
| 20:39.08 | Fisker | boo indeed |
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| 20:40.33 | Esamynn|work | now I'm wondering where the hell my early check-in email is... |
| 20:43.18 | Unkle | I've got to pack tonight too. |
| 20:44.15 | Unkle | I guess that shouldn't be too difficult, considering that I packed up my entire set of worldly goods recently. |
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| 20:46.41 | nicoli_s | im gonna miss blizzcon this year, i was really hoping wed get to go :( |
| 20:47.16 | Fisker | next year nicoli_s |
| 20:47.25 | Fisker | or else |
| 20:49.29 | Unkle | I'm looking forward to many days of drinking, drinking, friends, drinking, and some video game shiz too. |
| 20:50.08 | Esamynn|work | Unkle: we've actually decided to all shun you this year... |
| 20:50.36 | Esamynn|work | j/k |
| 20:50.45 | kd3 | tbqh that's largely why I'm going this year. the drinking |
| 20:51.01 | Esamynn|work | you need to travel as an excuse to drink? |
| 20:51.10 | kd3 | no |
| 20:51.18 | kd3 | but it's a good excuse to miss work |
| 20:51.35 | Amarande | nah Esamynn ... you guys will all create new Pandaren to adventure with together and Unkle will select the wrong faction by mistake :) |
| 20:51.50 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 20:52.12 | Unkle | But I'll have all the beer |
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| 21:14.22 | Mr_Rabies | is there a list of the textures used by the ingame spell alerts? |
| 21:14.32 | Mr_Rabies | trying to use a built in one for weakauras that isn't in the list |
| 21:16.08 | foxlit | extract art, browse art, done. |
| 21:18.06 | Mr_Rabies | how do i go about doing that? D: |
| 21:18.16 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 21:18.16 | purl | i heard framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 21:20.05 | Ressy | Ford's gonna make it worse. He decided to hold a press conference. |
| 21:21.28 | Ressy | damn. They had security come out & go over the rules. Don't go past the barrier, or the press conference is over. |
| 21:22.38 | foxlit | though where those textures actually are beats me. might have to /eventtrace that thing |
| 21:24.29 | foxlit | not in the extracted interface art. Well, so much for that plan. |
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| 22:32.29 | foxlit | sprintf("%06x", ip2long($_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']) >> 8) --> ffabcdef |
| 22:33.27 | foxlit | not what I wanted, PHP. |
| 22:34.06 | Dagmar | It's what you asked for |
| 22:35.10 | Mihau | Ha. |
| 22:36.39 | foxlit | that's debatable. If it was a proper long, that wouldn't be a sign bit. |
| 22:44.03 | Dagmar | s/long/lang/ |
| 22:44.13 | Arrowmaster | ok grandma is buried now to finish packing |
| 22:45.22 | Arrowmaster | and why am i getting work emails, im fucking on vacation |
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| 22:50.55 | Dagmar | probably becasue you didn't set your vacation responder? |
| 22:51.18 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/taint.log << test my thing? |
| 22:52.14 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: ive only got work email setup on my old phone im not taking with me so if i get sent any more i wont get them |
| 22:57.40 | kd3 | are you missing a word in the "why do you want my logs?" section? |
| 22:58.56 | foxlit | I all of it. |
| 23:00.12 | foxlit | should be better now. |
| 23:00.25 | kd3 | nods |
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| 23:02.08 | karl_w_w | so it occured to me foxlit |
| 23:02.47 | Aeger73 | I'm trying to help out Mayron with using AceDB. I'm getting an erro db is nil at line 75 http://pastebin.com/ax7RMKD8 the value being pulled is in the defaults global in a table called ColorValue |
| 23:02.56 | karl_w_w | if we track movement starting and stopping, we can make decisions based on whether or not you're moving in purrmetheus |
| 23:03.09 | Aeger73 | do you have do do anything special reference values in a table? |
| 23:03.10 | foxlit | You could just use GetUnitSpeed, you know. |
| 23:03.18 | karl_w_w | is that so! |
| 23:03.40 | foxlit | it is indeed. |
| 23:03.49 | Aeger73 | How come they pulled your addon Purmetheus foxlit |
| 23:03.53 | kd3 | did you define MayronUI.db.global.ColorValue.Red (and the others) before trying to access them in that line? |
| 23:03.54 | karl_w_w | is that reliable? |
| 23:04.18 | Aeger73 | yes its in the Core.lua |
| 23:04.23 | Aeger73 | ill paste that |
| 23:04.39 | kd3 | does core.lua run before that addon? |
| 23:04.59 | kd3 | s/addon/code/ |
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| 23:05.08 | Aeger73 | http://pastebin.com/yyMZPSbW |
| 23:05.17 | Aeger73 | yes its ahead in toc |
| 23:05.32 | foxlit | karl_w_w: I think so. Anyway, you could just test it. |
| 23:06.18 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i just found a box of your smarties in my backpack |
| 23:06.21 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt be surprised if there is a delay on it |
| 23:08.05 | foxlit | Aeger73: Nobody has provided me with an explicit answer to that question. What I know is that Cairenn was contacted by Blizzard with a request to remove it; beyond that, it's simple we're-an-official-fansite arithmetic. |
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| 23:14.08 | Amarande | foxlit: did they also break it during today's maint? |
| 23:14.28 | foxlit | I don't know; it's not today's maint for me. |
| 23:14.41 | foxlit | as a guess, "no". |
| 23:15.27 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: hahaha |
| 23:17.26 | znf | foxlit, so how come curse hasn't removed it? (pokes Stanzilla, Torhal etc.) |
| 23:17.45 | foxlit | it should be gone from curse as well. |
| 23:18.12 | znf | Ah, it was still there when I last looked |
| 23:19.49 | Torhal | znf: I removed it yesterday. |
| 23:20.07 | znf | Meanie :( |
| 23:20.13 | znf | you got the same e-mail? or? |
| 23:20.52 | Torhal | Melanie? Weirdo. No, Cairenn informed me. |
| 23:21.17 | foxlit | so, out of interest, did this happen to any other addons before, or are we breaking new ground here? |
| 23:22.03 | Amarande | Heh, how much you wanna bet Ten Ton Hammer would have NOT removed it, meanwhile, if their misbegotten addon thing was still around :) |
| 23:22.17 | Torhal | I've yanked them before, but it was always over e something fixable... |
| 23:22.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Hazal (~Mikkel@0x5e910d43.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 23:23.03 | foxlit | at blizzard's request, or at your own judgement? |
| 23:25.33 | Torhal | Not per request. |
| 23:26.00 | Torhal | Anywho, heading home. |
| 23:28.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Kaylin (~Kaylin@71-35-125-24.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 23:44.21 | foxlit | any more thoughts or suggestions on http://townlong-yak.com/taint.log/ before I proceed to make some noise about it? |
| 23:45.08 | Arrowmaster | well there goes that idea, i just looked at how far i was on the A Dance with Dragons audio book and ive only got 3 chapters left |
| 23:46.55 | kd3 | who is "me"? can you dox me from a taint log? etc. |
| 23:48.56 | foxlit | I'm hesitant to make any promises about there not being any personally identifiable information in those logs. If you really wanted to, you could mess up the lash command, and do /run I_AM_JOHN_DOE = 1, which would then show up in the log. Normally, it's pretty anonymous. |
| 23:57.03 | bleeter | all the way to 11, baby |
| 23:57.33 | foxlit | kd3: this might help: http://townlong-yak.com/taint.log/example.html |
| 23:58.19 | kd3 | no worries. linking to the example in the why section may be useful, though |
| 23:58.34 | foxlit | probably what, not why. |
| 23:58.45 | kd3 | er, yah |
