| 00:00.53 | Semlar | it looks like it's calling ChatFrame_SendTell(fullname, dropdownFrame.chatFrame) |
| 00:01.34 | Neffi | That's it |
| 00:01.44 | Neffi | ChatFrame_SendTell(name, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME) |
| 00:01.47 | Semlar | where is that defined |
| 00:01.52 | Neffi | ChatFrame.lua |
| 00:02.11 | Neffi | In go-hero's FrameXML, you can click a function name to take you to where it's defined |
| 00:02.13 | Semlar | there's also one for bnet whispers |
| 00:02.54 | XoXFAby | Sweet |
| 00:02.57 | XoXFAby | Thank you very much |
| 00:07.11 | Neffi | How's your work been coming, Semlar |
| 00:07.17 | Semlar | what work |
| 00:08.19 | Neffi | nomplates |
| 00:08.25 | Semlar | ah |
| 00:08.29 | Neffi | I love that name by the way. You should keep it. |
| 00:08.34 | Neffi | Or rename it Six |
| 00:08.40 | Semlar | that's taken |
| 00:08.44 | Neffi | But of course I already took the name Six. You can have Five. |
| 00:08.50 | Semlar | i'll call it 10plates |
| 00:08.55 | Neffi | perfect |
| 00:09.59 | Neffi | So with it being such a running joke and so well known, I didn't thank these types of spam exist anymore |
| 00:10.08 | Neffi | "We need your help in transferring funds" and somesuch |
| 00:10.15 | Neffi | http://pastey.org/view/c64dacfe <- just got one. I feel accomplished. |
| 00:10.34 | Semlar | the macro actually worked really well although i was under the impression that it wouldn't target corpses |
| 00:10.40 | Neffi | Even more surprising is, the grammar isn't baf |
| 00:10.51 | Neffi | It does target corpses? |
| 00:10.58 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.03 | Neffi | Ah yes, that will do it |
| 00:11.12 | Semlar | i added /targetlasttarget [dead] under that i think that should work |
| 00:11.26 | Neffi | I was gonna say you can add a [dead] clause to nullify that |
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| 00:13.33 | Semlar | i left the /targetexact out of the second macro so it would cycle anyway |
| 00:14.01 | Semlar | since it swaps back and forth between the two macros |
| 00:14.26 | Semlar | that way it'll target the guy if he's up but i can still tab away from it if i want |
| 00:16.18 | Semlar | pastebin is under heavy load!? |
| 00:16.20 | Semlar | WHAT |
| 00:17.53 | Neffi | eryup |
| 00:18.12 | Semlar | this is what i ended up doing http://i.imgur.com/bze0d2a.gif |
| 00:20.22 | Semlar | i gave up trying to indent anything properly because of the macros |
| 00:20.30 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 00:21.23 | Neffi | I wish we had a system for modifying Lua's syntax |
| 00:21.46 | Neffi | Be able to define a multi-line string that would auto-trim leading whitespace, so you can prettify your indentation |
| 00:22.38 | Semlar | doesn't really bother me that much, i could move the macrotext to separate variables if i really wanted to |
| 00:22.58 | Semlar | it would still be all left aligned but the rest of the actual code would look right |
| 00:24.28 | Semlar | the reason i used two macros was to let me cycle through the mc'd targets |
| 00:24.40 | Neffi | I was reasoning out that |
| 00:24.41 | Semlar | probably wouldn't work if there were more than 2 |
| 00:24.45 | Neffi | works, right? |
| 00:24.49 | Semlar | yeah it worked great |
| 00:24.53 | Neffi | good shit |
| 00:25.09 | Neffi | yummy |
| 00:25.11 | foxlit | Now promote the crap out of it so that they break it :) |
| 00:25.17 | Neffi | pizza w/ whole oregano and cayene pepper |
| 00:25.18 | Semlar | NEVER |
| 00:25.30 | Semlar | this is just for my use anyway |
| 00:25.54 | Neffi | IMO doesn't do anything that I'd want to prevent |
| 00:26.20 | Semlar | it wasn't hugely necessary because we stacked up for the mind control but in some cases we were spread out and it made it easier to target someone |
| 00:26.22 | foxlit | Having addons automatically target things for you seems pretty wrong to me. |
| 00:27.34 | Semlar | in my defense they made it damn near impossible to target what you want in a group of mobs |
| 00:27.54 | Semlar | you can't click on their nameplate and tabbing through could take a while |
| 00:27.57 | Neffi | It's not automatically doing anything |
| 00:28.20 | foxlit | oh yes it is. There's logic there -- "find me a mind controlled unit, and target THAT" |
| 00:28.31 | foxlit | It seems very similar to "find me a spell off cooldown and cast THAT" |
| 00:30.31 | Semlar | hax |
| 00:31.25 | Neffi | bans Semlar. |
| 00:31.32 | Semlar | o noes |
| 00:32.42 | foxlit | bear in mind, I'm actually saying that you should use it and promote it, because that's the only way something interesting will happen :) |
| 00:35.16 | foxlit | could really be declared a-ok by inaction, and then everyone gets fancy targetting macros for everything :) |
| 00:37.48 | Semlar | do you know how long it would take them to do anything even if they cared |
| 00:38.58 | Amarande | ages, probably, since they'd have to make sure it doesn't break intended strategies for any current expansion content at least :S |
| 00:39.10 | Amarande | given that Blizzard is a little split-personalitied when it comes to this sort of stuff |
| 00:39.17 | Amarande | on the one hand, as we know well, "addons are not supported" |
| 00:39.46 | Amarande | on the other hand they've kind of admitted that raid bosses are pretty much designed under the assumption that mortals will be using addons and macros to a certain extent :S |
| 00:40.03 | foxlit | That depends. I'm sure that if someone broke something actually important, and that gained wide popularity in the player base, it'd be broken in a week or two. |
| 00:42.44 | foxlit | But meh, priorities. We could test that theory; restrictedenvironment still has math.random, so one-button perfect dps rotations are something you could implement. |
| 00:43.55 | Amarande | foxlit: that just results in more classes being put on a priority system, natch |
| 00:44.16 | Amarande | aren't "rotations" mostly dying out these days anyway? there seem to be very few classes that are 12323231232323 style anymore |
| 00:44.34 | Semlar | can you do cross realm SoO or is that still not something they've implemented |
| 00:45.00 | kd3 | afaik not in normal/heroic mode |
| 00:45.08 | Amarande | Semlar: "enabled" would be a better term btw |
| 00:45.10 | foxlit | Those aren't the relevant semantics, Amarande. I'm saying that if you could write a Lua function that'd tell you what spell to cast at any given point, I could make a button that would cast that spell when you click it. |
| 00:45.11 | Semlar | jebus |
| 00:45.38 | Amarande | since I'd be pretty sure they implement the raids to be able to work with cross-realm ever since that's been a thing, they presumably have to explicitly disable it on the current content |
| 00:46.00 | foxlit | It doesn't particularly matter if it's a time-based rotation, a priority system, or some reactionary fiddling with buffs/debuffs or anything else. |
| 00:46.04 | Amarande | it'd be silly to have to rush to implement the cross-realm compatibility later whilst trying to make another patch |
| 00:46.19 | Neffi | A math.random based rotation wouldn't be perfect |
| 00:46.37 | Neffi | You can't query any real information about the game state, so you're not getting priorities in there |
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| 00:47.14 | Neffi | " if you could write a Lua function that'd tell you what spell to cast at any given point" <- you can, but not in secure code |
| 00:47.18 | Shirik | kd3 want to see something awesome? |
| 00:47.20 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations |
| 00:47.35 | foxlit | Neffi: I think you should let *me* worry about what I can and cannot do. |
| 00:47.38 | Shirik | I don't remember the last time I saw that empty :P |
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| 00:47.50 | kd3 | wow |
| 00:48.06 | kd3 | wait, you've got cu access? |
| 00:48.17 | foxlit | In this case, it's precisely as I said -- if you were to write that insecure function, I could write something that'd do the same thing securely. |
| 00:48.20 | kd3 | or just clerking |
| 00:48.25 | Shirik | no I was just doing the admin/clerk side of it |
| 00:48.58 | Neffi | Shirik: "close" means that the claim wasn't vaid? |
| 00:49.01 | Neffi | valid, rather |
| 00:49.09 | Shirik | no it just means it's been handled and hasn't been archived yet |
| 00:49.21 | Neffi | oh, ok |
| 00:49.24 | Shirik | as in "case closed" |
| 00:49.34 | Neffi | I was gonns say, that Neo account -- he's definitely sockpuppeting. |
| 00:49.40 | Neffi | He's also known as MrAnderson |
| 00:49.43 | Neffi | ;) |
| 00:49.55 | Shirik | ._. |
| 00:50.19 | XoXFAby | okay so |
| 00:50.30 | Semlar | here's the earth |
| 00:50.47 | Neffi | and here's Mars |
| 00:50.49 | Semlar | NO |
| 00:50.55 | Semlar | that is a pretty sweet earth you might say |
| 00:50.57 | Neffi | yes |
| 00:51.03 | Cairenn | It's all nice and round ... |
| 00:51.19 | Shirik | and then we elected George Bush |
| 00:51.20 | Shirik | the end |
| 00:51.22 | Neffi | I'm starting a panel to vote on whether or not to rename all the planets |
| 00:51.26 | XoXFAby | I am trying to have a clickable text in a frame, but the fontstring doesn't have any scipt handlers. what should I do? Put a button over it and set the alpha on it to 0? Or is there something better I can put there? |
| 00:51.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:51.37 | Neffi | The new proposed names: One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven and Eight |
| 00:51.49 | Shirik | How about Sol-1, Sol-2, and so-forth |
| 00:51.49 | Semlar | you make a frame and set all its points to the font string |
| 00:52.01 | Neffi | XoXFAby: Yes, you need a button |
| 00:52.05 | Semlar | you do not need a button |
| 00:52.10 | Neffi | button:SetAllPoints(myFontString) |
| 00:52.16 | Semlar | well i guess you could use a button instead of text in the first place |
| 00:52.24 | Neffi | You don't NEED a button, but it makes more semantic sense |
| 00:52.36 | XoXFAby | Well I don't want it to look like buttons |
| 00:52.44 | Neffi | Then don't add a texture |
| 00:52.44 | Semlar | buttons don't inherently have a look |
| 00:52.49 | XoXFAby | hmm |
| 00:52.51 | Neffi | When you create a frame, it's invisible |
| 00:52.56 | Neffi | You have to manually add styling |
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| 00:53.57 | Semlar | i wouldn't make a button on top of the font string though since you can add text directly to the button |
| 00:54.00 | Neffi | Shirik: That would make more sense actually |
| 00:54.07 | Neffi | I was really trying to bug Semlar |
| 00:54.19 | Neffi | Semlar: I thought they removed that, actually |
| 00:54.59 | Semlar | maybe it's part of the template |
| 00:55.14 | Neffi | iuno |
| 00:56.04 | Neffi | Well enjoy. I needa go pick up a cigarette. |
| 00:56.08 | XoXFAby | Idk I screwed something up when I made these buttons |
| 00:57.35 | Semlar | i would personally just make a mouse-enabled frame and set all its points to the font string but that's just because i don't normally deal with buttons |
| 00:58.12 | Semlar | you better make it obvious that the text is clickable though |
| 00:58.16 | XoXFAby | Well that's what I tried at first but I couldn't make it work |
| 00:58.19 | Neffi | Oh, if I'm looking to build a desktop app in Lua+QT, any recommendations for which bindings I should use? |
| 00:58.40 | Neffi | QTLua doesn't seem to be designed for this, and other projects I find are not well updated or complete |
| 00:59.12 | Semlar | local f = CreateFrame('frame') f:SetAllPoints(fontString) f:EnableMouse() f:SetScript('OnMouseDown', function() dostuff end) |
| 00:59.34 | Neffi | QTLua seems to aid in embedding Lua in another app, so I'd have to build a C++ stub and possibly some extra API to write in pure Lua. This isn't ideal. |
| 00:59.40 | foxlit | Honestly, make a button. It's all sorts of better things. |
| 00:59.48 | Semlar | you wish |
| 01:00.20 | XoXFAby | I am using buttons right now but there is some annoying little bug somewhere in my code cause the text doesn't show up and the clicks don't register |
| 01:00.33 | Semlar | not much of a button |
| 01:01.21 | XoXFAby | Do I need to use some template for the button? |
| 01:01.49 | Semlar | well that depends on if you want it to look like a button |
| 01:02.09 | XoXFAby | No I don't , that's why I didn't use one |
| 01:02.45 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Button |
| 01:03.02 | XoXFAby | http://pastebin.com/KxNXw6Kr if you want to look, maybe one of you can find the bug or whatever I messed up |
| 01:03.04 | foxlit | no; just call :SetNormalFontObject(GameFontNormal) on it. |
| 01:04.55 | XoXFAby | well, now I see the text |
| 01:05.07 | XoXFAby | but they are at the completely wrong spot let me see what I messed up, lol |
| 01:05.50 | foxlit | probably wanted a 400x15 button rather than a 15x400 button. |
| 01:05.57 | XoXFAby | whoops |
| 01:07.22 | XoXFAby | I knew it was some stupid little error, lol |
| 01:08.39 | Amarande | ahhhh, coding in a nutshell |
| 01:08.53 | Amarande | possibly a day to whip up something you need, then a week to find out where the hell you forgot the semicolon |
| 01:11.54 | foxlit | so what class has a reasonably simple raid damage rotation/priority scheme? |
| 01:12.27 | XoXFAby | Possible to have the text in the button anchor to the left and not the middle? |
| 01:12.50 | foxlit | GameFontNormalLeft. |
| 01:13.27 | foxlit | or, hm, it's not sized that way. |
| 01:13.59 | foxlit | b:SetText(" ") local fs = b:GetFontString() fs:ClearAllPoints() fs:SetPoint("LEFT", b) |
| 01:14.31 | XoXFAby | hmm |
| 01:15.17 | foxlit | or use the left font and :GetFontString():SetWidth(w) |
| 01:17.44 | Amarande | foxlit: frost mage, maybe? |
| 01:18.45 | foxlit | I need like a diagram or something :) |
| 01:20.13 | XoXFAby | I still have to look into OQ's code and stop it from spamming my bnet friends with "{OQ}" broadcasts every time I reload my UI |
| 01:27.49 | XoXFAby | ChatFrame_SendTell(sender, ???) what should I pass there? |
| 01:28.11 | Neffi | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME |
| 01:28.27 | Neffi | Not in quotes - it's a variable |
| 01:28.50 | XoXFAby | I assumed so |
| 01:29.19 | Neffi | Subtitles are awesome http://i.imgur.com/F615ZzS.jpg |
| 01:29.36 | XoXFAby | lol |
| 01:30.07 | XoXFAby | It still doesn't work an WIM still complains about it |
| 01:30.38 | XoXFAby | WIM-3.6.11\Sources\Hooks.lua:116: bad argument #1 to "gsub" (string expected, got nil) |
| 01:30.58 | Neffi | That may be the wrong API then |
| 01:31.08 | Neffi | That might be the API to send a tell already in the edit box |
| 01:31.24 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 01:31.24 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 01:32.20 | foxlit | XoXFAby: replace ChatFrame_SendTell with print |
| 01:32.28 | foxlit | stare at the arguments you pass it. |
| 01:33.01 | Neffi | Should be a string containing a name, and "<table: xxxxxx>" or something similar |
| 01:33.24 | foxlit | then realize just what it is that error message was telling you. |
| 01:34.41 | XoXFAby | I am derping so hard today |
| 01:35.59 | XoXFAby | yeah, the function where I was calling it was not the one where I had the sender variable |
| 01:36.51 | Neffi | Actually I just traced the function, and that is the correct API |
| 01:37.48 | Neffi | What it's essentially doing is grabbing the edit box of the chat frame, populating it with "/w Sendername" and running ParseText(), which is essentially exactly what happens when you manually do "/w Sendername" |
| 01:38.09 | Neffi | Use that API though, don't do it manually |
| 01:40.13 | Neffi | This is how you would do it manually: http://pastey.org/view/c61c3cd5 |
| 01:40.15 | XoXFAby | Yeah, it's working fine, I just messed up |
| 01:40.20 | Neffi | Essentially a condensed version of what that API does |
| 01:40.44 | XoXFAby | I thought the arg2 was the problem but in fact I was passing a an undefined variable as arg1. |
| 01:41.12 | Neffi | You've gotta be careful with FrameXML's API |
| 01:41.23 | Neffi | They rarely, if ever, do any error/argument checking |
| 01:41.40 | Neffi | So you won't get a pretty error message telling you that you passed the wrong arguments |
| 01:42.16 | XoXFAby | I'm just off my game, haven't done any coding in months |
| 01:42.29 | Neffi | It happens |
| 01:43.10 | Neffi | Train yourself to always trace what your code is doing before you run it |
| 01:43.18 | Neffi | Build something like a flowchat of execution in your mind |
| 01:43.39 | Neffi | "alright I'm passing this variable. and where is that defined? oh, nowhere" |
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| 01:45.17 | Neffi | So that's what that button does |
| 01:45.29 | XoXFAby | lol |
| 01:45.48 | Shirik | quit with reason "Neffistopheles"? |
| 01:45.58 | Neffi | got a problem with that, Faust? |
| 01:46.13 | Shirik | seems like a random button to have |
| 01:46.20 | Neffi | So wait. Is there no way to get a searchable list of channels in Quassel? |
| 01:46.36 | Neffi | I clicked on the server->Freenode button, and that toggles the connection >_> |
| 01:47.14 | Neffi | Found the channel list. That's an awkward place to put it. |
| 01:47.29 | kd3 | right click on the network in the left-side window, choose "show channel list"? |
| 01:47.46 | Neffi | Oh god |
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| 01:48.21 | Neffi | Grabbing the list of channels prints them all to the main server window by default, and Qt's performance regression on Windows just made Quassel go crazy |
| 01:49.07 | kd3 | it pops up in a separate window here |
| 01:49.23 | Neffi | Yes, but hit "show channels" and then go to the Freenode tab |
| 01:49.36 | kd3 | oh, eesh |
| 01:49.39 | Neffi | yeah |
| 01:49.57 | Neffi | Late version of Qt have shit performance on Windows, that that pretty much locked the client for a while |
| 01:50.24 | Neffi | The search filtering is also terrible |
| 01:50.34 | Neffi | I searched "lua" and the channel #lua wasn't included |
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| 02:14.24 | XoXFAby | Well thanks guys, thanks to you I was able to get the basic functionality of the addon done |
| 02:36.29 | XoXFAby | I think this is the weirdest line of code I have ever written I really hope it works the way I want it to work |
| 02:36.30 | XoXFAby | TDVars.filter[#TDVars.filter][#TDVars.filter[#TDVars.filter] + 1] = msgsplit |
| 02:37.18 | foxlit | if ever there was a time for table.insert. |
| 02:38.39 | Iriel | Why not put #TDVars.filer into a local at least |
| 02:39.03 | Iriel | For that matter, put TDVars.filter into a local if you're using it a lot 8-) |
| 02:40.32 | Iriel | local T = TDVars.filter; local Tlast = T[#T]; Tlast[#Tlast + 1] = msgsplit; |
| 02:41.06 | foxlit | and as far as weird lines of code go, I nominate http://pastey.org/view/d928be68 |
| 02:42.02 | Iriel | The abuse of i makes me cry a little |
| 02:42.19 | Shirik | a long time ago, I learned a neat trick |
| 02:42.34 | Shirik | if you avoid raw loops, your code instantly becomes significantly more readable |
| 02:47.42 | foxlit | [Does code that clobbers the loop variable look like it cares about readability? :)] |
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| 02:48.29 | Shirik | don't worry |
| 02:48.33 | Shirik | you can't clobber the loop variable in Lua :D |
| 02:48.45 | foxlit | ssh! |
| 02:55.43 | XoXFAby | Anyone wanna find another bug that's super obvious probably but I just can't find it? |
| 02:58.45 | XoXFAby | http://pastebin.com/GriPqquE So I am trying to save the filters ( TDVars.Filters ) as a saved variable ( ## SavedVariables: TDVars ) and then on launch, if TDVars is empty i set the default filters. It sets them every time but the window position that I also save in TDVars works fine |
| 03:00.41 | foxlit | I'm going to point out the following in the spirit of being explicitly not helpful: |
| 03:00.53 | foxlit | If you comment out TDFrame:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", TDVars.pos.x, TDVars.pos.y), your frame's positioning will still work fine. |
| 03:01.32 | foxlit | [how? magic!] |
| 03:02.23 | Iriel | Did you restart the client after you added the saved variable header? |
| 03:02.32 | XoXFAby | Damn magic frame staying remembering positon making me think that part of the code works |
| 03:03.07 | XoXFAby | that's just not fait |
| 03:03.09 | XoXFAby | fair * |
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| 03:03.41 | XoXFAby | and no i did not, and I never realized I would since I thought the frame remember position was my code saving the variable. |
| 03:03.49 | XoXFAby | I would have to * |
| 03:04.43 | Iriel | The client only loads the TOC once, at startup |
| 03:04.50 | Iriel | At least key parts of it |
| 03:04.53 | XoXFAby | Yeah I know, I didn't think about that |
| 03:06.44 | XoXFAby | sweet, works now |
| 03:08.29 | foxlit | *kind of works now. |
| 03:09.48 | XoXFAby | oh? |
| 03:10.56 | foxlit | You have that DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Watching Trade.") message on load, don't you? |
| 03:11.11 | XoXFAby | Think so |
| 03:11.13 | foxlit | Suppose I wanted an option to turn that off :) |
| 03:11.30 | XoXFAby | lol |
| 03:12.00 | XoXFAby | since I'm only making the addon for myself really, and I want it on... |
| 03:12.01 | XoXFAby | lol |
| 03:12.40 | foxlit | I'm finding it hard to find an interesting illustration of the problem that remains in there :) |
| 03:13.34 | foxlit | So assuming that you hypothetically indulge me and add a slash command to set TDVars.BeReallyReallyQuietImHuntingWabbits = true to suppress the message, and add a if not TDVars.BeReallyReallyQuietImHuntingWabbits then ... end around the AddMessage call... |
| 03:13.58 | XoXFAby | it won't work since the saved variable isn't here on load? |
| 03:14.04 | foxlit | yes. |
| 03:14.16 | XoXFAby | well I'm loading these on load but they work? |
| 03:14.27 | XoXFAby | which I found odd anyways |
| 03:14.48 | foxlit | you're in that delicate situation when your errors are cancelled out by your other code |
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| 03:15.27 | foxlit | basically, your code always runs as if TDVars does not exist; then the client overwrites it with its saved copy and things magically work. |
| 03:15.58 | XoXFaby | how so, that code should only run on load so when is it overwritting? |
| 03:16.23 | XoXFaby | oh |
| 03:16.43 | XoXFaby | when it realizes afterwards it has the saved variable it just overwrites it |
| 03:16.43 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions#The_loading_process |
| 03:16.44 | XoXFaby | neat |
| 03:17.04 | XoXFaby | well, by loading it it overwrites it |
| 03:17.11 | Neffi | Saved variables are available after ADDON_LOADED has been dispatched for your addon |
| 03:17.22 | Neffi | Your code should be aware of when that is |
| 03:17.43 | Iriel | Or your code should be written so it doesn't matter when that is |
| 03:18.03 | XoXFaby | well right now for my code it doesn't matter |
| 03:18.06 | Neffi | Also a good approach |
| 03:18.17 | foxlit | it won't last. |
| 03:18.53 | XoXFaby | idk, my first idea would be an onUpdate with an if first |
| 03:19.05 | Neffi | for ehat? |
| 03:19.23 | XoXFaby | ? |
| 03:20.55 | XoXFaby | well are the variables available on the ADDON_LOADED event? |
| 03:21.05 | Iriel | Yours, yes. |
| 03:21.18 | XoXFaby | Well then I can just do all everything there |
| 03:21.49 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.51 | Neffi | Make sure its your ADDON_LOADED |
| 03:22.20 | Neffi | Check if the first argument is your addon's name |
| 03:22.51 | Neffi | "From Crimson Capybara" |
| 03:22.53 | Neffi | +1 |
| 03:23.01 | XoXFaby | What does it pass there? Name of the folder? Title from .toc? |
| 03:23.44 | Neffi | Should be name of the folder |
| 03:24.12 | Neffi | Usually the first ADDON_LOADED you see will be for you, but not necessarily always |
| 03:24.34 | XoXFaby | Alright, just making sure |
| 03:24.44 | Neffi | Also, has it been confirmed that VARIABLES_LOADED is no longer reliable? |
| 03:25.17 | Iriel | ? |
| 03:25.28 | XoXFaby | if event == "ADDON_LOADED" and message == "TradeDetection" then this should suffice, correct? |
| 03:25.35 | Iriel | It should be reliable unless you're load on demand |
| 03:25.47 | Neffi | A few patches ago somebody claimed that VARIABLES_LOADED no longer reliably triggered before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 03:25.59 | Iriel | interesting, I missed that |
| 03:26.09 | Neffi | And I see that the page foxlit linked doesn't mention using V_LOADED |
| 03:26.22 | Iriel | That doesn't necessarily mean it's not working correctly, btu it's good to know. |
| 03:26.23 | Neffi | I use that exclusively for pre-login initialization and loading saved vars |
| 03:26.43 | Iriel | ADDON_LOADED is a better habit anyway because it works no matter when your code works |
| 03:26.56 | Neffi | I agree |
| 03:27.07 | Neffi | I just didn't particularly care when writing some code |
| 03:27.24 | Iriel | We didn't used to have ADDON_LOADED |
| 03:27.44 | Neffi | Well it's been here for a while at least |
| 03:27.48 | Iriel | Hm, that reads horribly. "We used to not have ADDON_LOADED" |
| 03:27.51 | Iriel | Well, yes |
| 03:27.56 | Iriel | years and years |
| 03:28.20 | Neffi | But I know there's definitely code laying around from vanilla still |
| 03:28.25 | foxlit | So the linked wowpedia article is a howto, and as such is more of a "here's what you should do" note. |
| 03:29.00 | foxlit | which is why V_L is no longer in there: it doesn't make sense to point people looking for guidance at events that may or may not work when A_L is a saner alternative. |
| 03:29.09 | Iriel | 8-) 18:19, 4 January 2005 Flickering (Talk | contribs) m . . (+2,661) . . (First stab at this one) |
| 03:29.19 | Iriel | Go me |
| 03:30.39 | Neffi | How quaint |
| 03:34.46 | XoXFaby | I love the readability of this line "if not inTDLogs then " |
| 03:38.05 | Shirik | Iriel: That's your username? |
| 03:38.12 | Iriel | Flickering ? |
| 03:38.14 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:38.15 | Iriel | Yes. |
| 03:38.19 | Shirik | oh wowpedia |
| 03:38.19 | Shirik | boo |
| 03:38.36 | Iriel | Sorry, I dont play in your sandbox at the moment |
| 03:38.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:40.24 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/8bcmtcD.gif |
| 03:40.29 | Neffi | the joy of offices |
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| 03:59.22 | airtonix | oriffices? |
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| 04:01.34 | Neffi | airtonix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y70zm715irraoro/Fgb8fDc.jpg |
| 04:02.14 | airtonix | so fake |
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| 05:43.55 | XoXFaby | I wonder if I should release my addon at some point |
| 05:45.38 | Iriel | If others may find it useful then sure |
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| 05:50.27 | XoXFaby | Idk, I find it incredibly useful |
| 05:50.55 | XoXFaby | I was kind of surprised it didn't already exist or at least I couldn't find anything like it |
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| 06:03.08 | nebula169 | no harm in hosting it somewhere |
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| 06:13.55 | Amarande | hm, I'm guessing server time doesn't "fall back" till tuesday maint |
| 06:17.00 | karl_w_w | fall back, they've got us pinned down! |
| 06:17.18 | Semlar | i'm betting it skips an hour |
| 06:17.36 | Semlar | or whatever it is we do this time of year |
| 06:17.37 | Amarande | I noticed the time addon I use told me immediately that my local time went back to 0100 |
| 06:17.41 | Semlar | i let technology handle that |
| 06:17.49 | Amarande | but the server time stayed 0100 as well (as it should, since ... |
| 06:17.51 | Amarande | oh, wait |
| 06:17.55 | Amarande | it's not 0200 yet in central |
| 06:17.58 | Amarande | that's probably why :P |
| 06:19.23 | Amarande | Semlar: you skip an hour in the spring, you do the same hour twice in the fall |
| 06:19.35 | Semlar | YOU DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO |
| 06:19.45 | Semlar | i'll skip an hour if i want |
| 06:19.56 | Amarande | mind you an increasing number of people are thinking that things like DST and even multiple time zones in a country are shitty ideas to be abolished :) |
| 06:20.06 | Semlar | they are |
| 06:20.11 | Semlar | time is dumb |
| 06:20.34 | XoXFaby | relatively |
| 06:20.54 | Semlar | relative to me |
| 06:21.07 | karl_w_w | ...nothing is dumb |
| 06:21.21 | XoXFaby | everything is dumb |
| 06:21.22 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 06:22.02 | Amarande | wow, 550+ for like, everything lately |
| 06:22.25 | Amarande | that's one thing that I've always noticed a huge contrast regarding between WoW and SW:TOR, particularly |
| 06:22.44 | Amarande | in SW:TOR, pretty much 66 will get you into almost anything but a nightmare ops |
| 06:23.00 | Amarande | in WoW, it tends to be "better be kitted out in current top tier to do most anything" |
| 06:23.28 | Semlar | it certainly helps |
| 06:23.32 | XoXFaby | drops 540 gear, people require 550+ gear to join |
| 06:23.52 | Semlar | i just cleared flex in 563 gear |
| 06:24.10 | Amarande | and keep in mind, in SW:TOR you don't even have the aid of addons like DBM, on top of that |
| 06:24.13 | XoXFaby | I hit 543 yesterday and I don't even wanna play flex anymore, lol |
| 06:24.18 | Amarande | yet, they're consistently less demanding with gear :S |
| 06:24.36 | Semlar | i got outdamaged by a warlock because warlocks are op buff hunters |
| 06:25.06 | Amarande | well, scaling has been particularly wacko this expansion apparently |
| 06:25.15 | Amarande | like at the beginning pretty much all the DPS specs were reasonably neck and neck |
| 06:25.32 | Amarande | now there are some specs that are horrendously laggard, in fact making some entire *classes* barely viable for DPS anymore |
| 06:25.39 | Amarande | priest and death knight come to mind |
| 06:25.44 | Semlar | actually i think i did slightly more damage but it was really close and he was definitely in lower level gear |
| 06:26.09 | Amarande | DK is especially interesting, because unlike priest (shadow was always kinda near the bottom of the list), DKs actually were close to the top of the list early on, now all three DPS DK types are listed near the bottom on noxxic |
| 06:26.12 | Semlar | the warlock in my guild can outdamage me and that makes me sad |
| 06:27.09 | Amarande | of course part of it is the ever exponentiation of item stats interacting with scaling, I'm sure |
| 06:27.30 | Semlar | actually on the protectors fight a shadow priest can do pretty well with the multidotting |
| 06:27.39 | Amarande | not just the fact that higher ilvls are getting insane with the stat magnitudes |
| 06:27.40 | Semlar | but that's about it |
| 06:27.45 | Amarande | but also how MANY ilvls we go through in an expansion now |
| 06:28.17 | Amarande | e.g., just from basic 90 blues to top MoP raid ilvl ... is a greater span than the *whole of vanilla ever used* |
| 06:28.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.17 | XoXFaby | At the end of the next xpac we are probably running around with 100mill exp |
| 06:29.24 | Amarande | in vanilla, even the topmost tier items were ilvl 92, now you have over 100 ilvls just in heroic dungeon and raid gear in an xpack |
| 06:29.54 | XoXFaby | 100mill HP * |
| 06:30.00 | Amarande | heh it's like the Dow practically |
| 06:30.05 | tzarc | ok semlar, now I wanna know what the minimap addon is |
| 06:30.06 | tzarc | :P |
| 06:30.10 | Amarande | now if it gets anywhere close to 10,000 it's a stock market disaster |
| 06:30.15 | Amarande | when I was a kid? people wondered if it would ever hit 2,000 |
| 06:30.15 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:30.22 | Amarande | and that was not so very long ago |
| 06:30.43 | tzarc | I remember hitting 20k in TBC and thinking "damn, this is insane" |
| 06:30.48 | Semlar | the minimap addon is one of my map projects |
| 06:31.02 | tzarc | bah, ok, I'll stop asking then :P |
| 06:31.07 | Amarande | but yeah, WoW is pretty unique in the "gear reset" philosophy between expansions, which also inflates things a lot |
| 06:31.14 | Amarande | I'm really not sure why they decided to go that route either |
| 06:31.48 | XoXFaby | to make buying the next expac look like a better idea |
| 06:31.50 | XoXFaby | ? |
| 06:32.23 | Semlar | people like upgrades |
| 06:33.18 | Amarande | well, expansions tend to involve upgrades in other MMOs too |
| 06:33.44 | Amarande | but the more common paradigm is that if you have good gear from the top level of the previous expansion, you usually don't have to worry about upgrading till you hit cap and go to endgame again |
| 06:34.13 | Amarande | the "first baby steps quests of the new expansion give you mainly upgrades over the creme de la creme of the last" idea seems mostly a Blizzard thing |
| 06:34.30 | karl_w_w | and also isn't how it is |
| 06:34.36 | Iriel | It brings back people who tired of the grind last time |
| 06:34.51 | Amarande | Yeah, I think Cata was the only one to have it be a nearly clean break jump, come to think of it |
| 06:35.05 | Amarande | although generally with the others you had to have basically the very top tier gear for it not to be |
| 06:35.19 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure in BC the greens were replacing raid gear |
| 06:35.33 | karl_w_w | why does it matter? |
| 06:35.57 | Amarande | karl: partly, we're speculating on if it's part of the reason behind the ever-barreling inflation of stats |
| 06:36.22 | karl_w_w | that would happen either way |
| 06:36.28 | Amarande | which is not always a good thing, because the greater the magnitude of the stats and the more ilvls you go through in an expansion, the greater the effect of scaling foibles on the game |
| 06:36.34 | Amarande | as, say, every shadow priest is experiencing presently |
| 06:36.46 | Amarande | and every non-tanking DK too apparently |
| 06:36.57 | Amarande | and arms warriors |
| 06:37.26 | karl_w_w | classes aren't balanced around using last expansion's gear, they are balanced at max level in appropriate gear |
| 06:37.40 | karl_w_w | the fact that levelling brings increased ilvl is irrelevant |
| 06:37.49 | Semlar | classes are balanced? |
| 06:38.06 | Amarande | karl: look at say the noxxic list of specs ranked by DPS ... note that when MoP was new, DPS DKs rocked the world |
| 06:38.11 | Amarande | now they're so low on the list that it's go tank or go home |
| 06:38.28 | Semlar | the list on noxxic is also horribly inaccurate |
| 06:38.40 | Amarande | this, presumably, is because DPS DKs have not scaled well with the gear |
| 06:38.53 | Semlar | the dps ranking on raidbots are closer to what i've observed |
| 06:38.59 | karl_w_w | verb balanced Semlar |
| 06:39.02 | Amarande | basically, what I'm saying is, the more ilvl overlap you have, the slower you barrel through the ilvls which reduces the effect of scaling vagaries |
| 06:39.39 | Semlar | yeah but the smaller your epeen |
| 06:39.49 | Amarande | Semlar: shadow priests OTOH seem to have had the scaling problems build up to fatal proportions now |
| 06:39.54 | Amarande | they really are in a position of "go heals or go home" |
| 06:40.40 | Amarande | (apparently the issue being that shadow priests scale disproportionately well from haste than any other secondary stat, and now they're stuttering because haste scaling has hit the GCD barrier) |
| 06:40.45 | Semlar | http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Garrosh_Hellscream/10N/100/14/60/default/ warlocks :l |
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| 06:41.39 | XoXFaby | on that list is missing the blood DK in a bad group :P |
| 06:41.41 | karl_w_w | I prefer getting upgrades for doing the latest tier of raiding over, you know, not getting them so that ilvls don't increase too much |
| 06:42.01 | XoXFaby | I can easily reach 500k+ in a group that doesn't get adds down, lol |
| 06:42.09 | Amarande | karl: yeah, that does seem to be one thing where SW:TOR doesn't really deliver |
| 06:42.24 | Semlar | i hit over a million dps on garrosh at the start of the fight |
| 06:42.33 | Amarande | from what I've noticed, the gear item levels seem to be tied pretty much solely to the character level and difficulty level of the raid |
| 06:42.33 | Semlar | but then the adds are all dead and i have nothing else to shoot |
| 06:42.49 | XoXFaby | I only hit 1mill on the trash after paragons if people don't focus harbringers |
| 06:42.51 | Amarande | i.e., it doesn't look like you really get anything better from doing the latest ops vs. the older ones for your level |
| 06:42.52 | tzarc | yeah I peak at ~1.5mil |
| 06:42.58 | tzarc | but I'm one of those nasty destrolocks |
| 06:43.07 | Semlar | between me, the other hunter and our warlock the adds last like 5 seconds |
| 06:43.31 | XoXFaby | between me and no one else, the adds last way too long |
| 06:43.31 | Semlar | then the rest get destroyed by the iron star |
| 06:43.31 | Amarande | I still haven't seen TOT or SoO |
| 06:43.32 | XoXFaby | lol |
| 06:43.46 | Amarande | I left the game last when 5.1 was still current, and now I'm leveling a new horde character instead of going back on my alliance mage |
| 06:44.19 | tzarc | is still a shit player, regardless |
| 06:44.35 | Amarande | this heirloom thing for garrosh looks interesting |
| 06:44.58 | Semlar | overall though hunter damage isn't that great |
| 06:45.02 | Amarande | wonder if people are still going to be regularly piling back into SoO even next expansion, because it's presumably the only place to get looms for the new level range |
| 06:45.20 | Semlar | hunters do a crap ton of damage at the start of the fight and then it's all downhill |
| 06:45.30 | Amarande | (and is new xpack going to go to 100 or 95? garrosh looms suggest a ten level xpack again) |
| 06:45.33 | Semlar | well, beast master |
| 06:45.40 | Semlar | survival does pretty steady damage |
| 06:46.11 | Amarande | and marks I presume does pretty steady damage as well ... except it's pretty steadily crappy damage from what I'm gathering heh |
| 06:46.44 | Semlar | marks offers absolutely nothing over the other specs so is completely pointless to spec into |
| 06:47.00 | Amarande | also hunters have choice of three DPS specs |
| 06:47.07 | Semlar | meh |
| 06:47.10 | Amarande | the more glaring faults are with things like shadow priest, because that's the only choice you have for DPS |
| 06:47.14 | Semlar | it's more like they have a choice of BM |
| 06:47.20 | karl_w_w | holy fuck |
| 06:47.20 | Semlar | and possibly survival |
| 06:47.29 | karl_w_w | mothra appears to be sitting on my wall |
| 06:47.41 | Semlar | quick, find a lizard |
| 06:48.11 | Semlar | and a camera |
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| 06:48.29 | Amarande | although I've actually wondered if maybe things like shadow priest DPS being poor are intentional, come to think of it |
| 06:48.37 | karl_w_w | I don't want to anger it |
| 06:48.47 | Amarande | basically in light of things like the chronic problems Blizzard has at getting people to choose tank and heal roles |
| 06:48.48 | karl_w_w | it might eat my children |
| 06:48.57 | Semlar | might? |
| 06:49.32 | Semlar | ah i have a solution |
| 06:49.39 | Semlar | hunter pets should be able to tank |
| 06:49.51 | Amarande | so, need more people to be heals? something like shadow's scaling is perfect then |
| 06:50.03 | Semlar | and then they can buff the crap out of mend pet |
| 06:50.06 | Amarande | have it work well when leveling and in earlier tier content so people don't feel like it's annoying to get into |
| 06:50.07 | karl_w_w | making a class with no dps spec would help, but not sure if it's a good or even viable idea |
| 06:50.11 | Semlar | and so hunters can be tanks and healers |
| 06:50.25 | Amarande | but then make it not work so well at the higher tiers unless people choose the "intended" role specs |
| 06:51.10 | Amarande | karl: LOTRO kind of does it |
| 06:51.21 | Amarande | Guardians and Minstrels are basically pure tanks and healers respectively |
| 06:51.44 | xyphoid_ | classes really need a rethink in an environment where levelling alts is a primary thing that you do |
| 06:51.50 | karl_w_w | and minstrels are so tasty |
| 06:51.52 | Amarande | good enough at DPS to function in solo questing (and actually GRD are pretty good at soloing a lot of elites due to survivability) but not good enough to be able to fill other roles well in a group |
| 06:52.55 | Amarande | there are some who suggest SW:TOR has a tinge of it as well |
| 06:53.16 | Amarande | in particular, a fairly large group that insist that Sith Juggernaut DPS isn't really viable |
| 06:53.46 | Amarande | (as for the other imperial tank class ... Powertech is just so damn fun as tank that why would you want to be otherwise anyways :) |
| 06:58.12 | karl_w_w | wow i just simmed my stat weights and my secondary stats have actually gone down in value |
| 06:58.26 | karl_w_w | that's the first time I can remember that happening |
| 06:59.18 | karl_w_w | haste is still more than half of int though, so it doesn't change anything |
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| 07:06.04 | karl_w_w | I've just noticed every single piece of mage tier 16 has crit on it |
| 07:06.10 | karl_w_w | my worst stat by far |
| 07:09.06 | Neffi | Of all the fantasy games out there, why in hell is this not a thing? http://i.imgur.com/A9HwfVX.jpg |
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| 07:15.25 | Semlar | because that is an abomination neffi |
| 07:17.12 | phelps | is it a furry thing |
| 07:17.23 | phelps | those people are strange |
| 07:17.34 | phelps | also dat time change |
| 07:35.02 | Semlar | i don't know how easy it is to get into a raid before tuesday but i'm not saved to SoO this week |
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| 08:11.35 | Neffi | "<Semlar> because that is an abomination neffi" <- you misspelled masterpiece |
| 08:12.35 | Semlar | i don't think i did |
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| 09:07.41 | karl_w_w | i hate thok |
| 09:08.16 | karl_w_w | whoever thought interrupts every couple of seconds would make for a compelling boss mechanic deserves to be fired |
| 09:08.22 | Semlar | it was a hunter |
| 09:08.45 | Neffi | It was Semlar |
| 09:08.48 | Semlar | it was me |
| 09:08.50 | Neffi | fires Semlar. |
| 09:08.55 | Semlar | i don't even work here! |
| 09:09.03 | Neffi | Not anymore, you don't |
| 09:22.46 | sintAcks | http://i.imgur.com/BFklgX4.png |
| 09:23.00 | sintAcks | okay.. it just spiked even worse |
| 09:23.00 | sintAcks | http://i.imgur.com/MmSbazs.png |
| 09:23.15 | Semlar | why's the ram gone |
| 09:23.20 | Sintacks | srsly |
| 09:23.32 | Sintacks | and it spikes 100% cpu every 10 or 15 seconds |
| 09:23.40 | Neffi | yeah, but why's the ram gone? |
| 09:23.49 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/IvHWS50.png |
| 09:24.20 | Sintacks | and it just started doing this a week or so ago |
| 09:24.23 | Sintacks | it used to work fine all the time |
| 09:24.37 | Shirik | Thunder_Child http://www.twitch.tv/shirikii/c/3183755 (You only need to watch like the first 30 seconds) |
| 09:24.38 | nevcairiel | piece of quality software, isnt it =) |
| 09:25.02 | Neffi | Thanks for making me aware of MyImgur |
| 09:26.45 | Semlar | but why is the ram gone |
| 09:28.15 | Torhal | Semlar: http://downloadmoreram.com/ |
| 09:28.58 | Semlar | >_> |
| 09:30.07 | Neffi | there's always more ram |
| 09:30.11 | Neffi | drinks up. |
| 09:30.32 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/o1pM3Mx.jpg <-4chan man! |
| 09:30.34 | Semlar | i kind of want to watch pirates of the caribbean |
| 09:30.58 | Neffi | "4chan man" <- wtf man |
| 09:31.35 | Semlar | i wonder if they don't have to license that |
| 09:32.12 | Neffi | "4chan" isn't trademarked AFAIK |
| 09:32.22 | Neffi | They aren't infringing any copyright, so they're fine |
| 09:32.30 | Semlar | they'd probably have to pay to sell a v for vendetta costume |
| 09:32.52 | Neffi | I like how they mention it is licensed. From whom? |
| 09:33.20 | Semlar | clearly they've trademarked 4chan man |
| 09:33.31 | Neffi | Semlar: You have my permission to watch Pirates of the Caribbean |
| 09:34.45 | Semlar | good |
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| 09:42.11 | Sintacks | Neffi, it's quite nice (MyImgur) |
| 09:42.36 | Sintacks | the ONLY complaint I have about it is it doesn't have auto auto-re-minimize to try option after an upload |
| 09:43.03 | Sintacks | and sometimes it fails to launch on windows start |
| 09:43.16 | Sintacks | Shirik... why am i still awtching this after the funny bit |
| 09:43.18 | Sintacks | i don't even like LoL |
| 09:43.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:43.38 | Shirik | because you want to watch the planeteers win |
| 09:43.41 | Sintacks | but that was funny |
| 09:44.23 | Shirik | we do end up winning, even though I had a rough start |
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| 10:13.15 | Neffi | dammit Sansa |
| 10:13.41 | Neffi | I think she's more insufferable than Joffrey |
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| 10:21.35 | Humbedooh | well at least she outlives him D: *SPOILER* |
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| 10:24.26 | Neffi | Humbedooh: If I was an OP, I'd kickban you for that |
| 10:25.45 | Humbedooh | mebbe I just made that up to annoy you *POSSIBLE SPOILER* |
| 10:42.23 | karl_w_w | wipe on thok for an hour and a half -> kill him finally -> 1 shot siegecrafter |
| 10:42.35 | karl_w_w | evidence thok is a bitch |
| 10:45.03 | Semlar | you one shot siegecrafter after wiping on thok? |
| 10:45.12 | Semlar | is this on normal |
| 10:47.57 | Fisker | earth Shirik |
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| 10:55.57 | Semlar | maybe you just have horrible composition for thok |
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| 11:44.24 | karl_w_w | yeah it was normal Semlar |
| 11:44.32 | karl_w_w | first ever attempt on siegecrafter |
| 11:45.23 | karl_w_w | we had a 2 disc and a resto sham, blood dk and brewmaster, hunter mage spriest rogue |
| 11:45.38 | karl_w_w | ret pally |
| 11:46.08 | karl_w_w | we also wiped on thok for about half an hour last week |
| 11:47.00 | Semlar | what were you dying to |
| 11:47.18 | Semlar | not enough dps? |
| 11:47.23 | karl_w_w | nothing in particular it seems like |
| 11:47.40 | Dagmar | Too much healing is probably something one can rule out |
| 11:48.00 | karl_w_w | we died to not enough dps once |
| 11:48.25 | Semlar | the fire phase is the only real pain in the ass on thok |
| 11:48.37 | Semlar | if you can't get him down fast enough |
| 11:48.38 | karl_w_w | all of it is a pain in the ass if you're a caster |
| 11:49.14 | Semlar | my 10 man has 2 hunters, 2 warlocks and a dk |
| 11:49.17 | karl_w_w | we wiped to bad dispelling a few times |
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| 11:49.36 | karl_w_w | 3 priests and wipe to dispels |
| 11:50.08 | Semlar | too spread out maybe? |
| 11:50.12 | karl_w_w | couple of times people got chomped |
| 11:51.00 | Semlar | it's probably rough having 2 melee and 2 casters |
| 11:51.11 | karl_w_w | we usually have 1 melee |
| 11:51.19 | Semlar | although the hunter should be doing pretty well |
| 11:51.26 | karl_w_w | the ret was a fill-in and he wasnt too hot |
| 11:51.39 | karl_w_w | \yeah the hunter was top followed closely by me |
| 11:51.51 | karl_w_w | because wtf why shouldnt a frost mage do well on thok? |
| 11:51.57 | karl_w_w | oh right |
| 11:52.14 | Semlar | i completely dominate that fight but i had to switch to survival because my pet couldn't keep up with him after a few stacks |
| 11:53.09 | Semlar | the melee can only really dps him when he's standing still |
| 11:53.24 | Semlar | so you have to extend that phase if you need their damage |
| 11:54.41 | karl_w_w | we had pretty good still phases |
| 11:55.00 | karl_w_w | but the melee was on the add for most of the kite phase |
| 11:55.08 | Dagmar | I can think of lots of good reasons |
| 11:55.12 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 11:55.14 | karl_w_w | the spriest should have been above me though |
| 11:55.38 | Semlar | i have no idea where shadow priests should be |
| 11:55.50 | Semlar | they don't seem to do very well unless there are multiple targets |
| 11:56.09 | karl_w_w | spriests can do dots |
| 11:56.23 | karl_w_w | i was basically doing nothing for the second half of the still phase |
| 12:01.06 | Semlar | punch him |
| 12:30.15 | airtonix | ok |
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| 13:03.31 | airtonix | seems legit |
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| 13:13.47 | foxlit | grumble, I can't call GetManagedEnvironment(x, true) from insecure code. |
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| 13:34.36 | zenzelezz | so from what I can tell, the Intel i7-4770K and i7-4771 are equal apart from the K being overclockable, or somesuch... but the price difference seems to be only €6.5ish. I must be so out of touch with hardware these days |
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| 13:45.28 | Gnarfoz | K parts still don't do vt-d, do they |
| 13:45.58 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 13:46.31 | nevcairiel | no they dont |
| 13:47.35 | nevcairiel | if you need/want OC, get 4770K, if not get 4771 - other way around, if you need VT-d and some of the other features unavailable in K CPUs, get 4771 |
| 13:48.17 | zenzelezz | alright, cheers |
| 13:48.40 | haste | for some reason, I thought 4771 would be more expensive than 4770k |
| 13:48.52 | nevcairiel | should be about the same price |
| 13:48.53 | Stanzilla | by 1 money? |
| 13:48.54 | Gnarfoz | is there no 4770? |
| 13:48.57 | nevcairiel | there is too |
| 13:49.06 | nevcairiel | but its 100mhz slower then 4770K/4771 |
| 13:49.09 | haste | Stanzilla: by some money |
| 13:49.10 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 13:49.14 | Gnarfoz | WHY |
| 13:49.19 | zenzelezz | haste: at Komplett it is in face 50 kr less |
| 13:49.24 | zenzelezz | and in fact |
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| 13:49.37 | haste | zenzelezz: I checked komplett :) |
| 13:49.43 | zenzelezz | :-) |
| 13:50.02 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: who knows, but its also only 10€ cheaper, so *shrug* |
| 13:50.03 | haste | which I why I commented on it being cheaper |
| 13:50.23 | zenzelezz | this is turning out to be an expensive pleasure; but with holiday money left over + "half tax" coming up in December, I feel it's only fair to indulge |
| 13:50.24 | nevcairiel | actually the K is 20€ more expensive then the 4771 here |
| 13:50.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the price is irrelevant, I just want to burn those marketing people alive |
| 13:50.36 | nevcairiel | the 1 was released half a year later |
| 13:50.40 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 13:50.44 | Gnarfoz | they KNOW what they're going to release |
| 13:50.53 | nevcairiel | no so, just pointing it out |
| 13:50.59 | Gnarfoz | the 4771 should be the 4770, the 4770K is fine and the 4770 should have been the 4769 or something |
| 13:51.02 | nevcairiel | its basically the same as with the 2600 and the 2700 from SNB |
| 13:51.06 | Gnarfoz | it's not? |
| 13:51.13 | Gnarfoz | 2600 = 2600K except the K |
| 13:51.16 | Gnarfoz | 2700 the same |
| 13:51.16 | nevcairiel | 100mhz more, half a year later release |
| 13:51.20 | Gnarfoz | no 2701/2601 |
| 13:51.31 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 13:51.39 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 13:51.49 | Gnarfoz | the point is: 4700 differs from 4700K in more than the "K" part |
| 13:51.50 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: probably fixed some bugs, too |
| 13:51.55 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: hahaha no |
| 13:52.02 | Gnarfoz | which wasn't the case with 2600, 2700 |
| 13:52.21 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: both are C0 Haswell |
| 13:52.28 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 13:52.35 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 13:52.37 | Gnarfoz | it's just idiocy :-( |
| 13:52.38 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 13:52.41 | Fisker | :) |
| 13:52.59 | nevcairiel | the difference between K and non-K is messed up anyway |
| 13:53.06 | nevcairiel | they sell it as OC-able |
| 13:53.09 | nevcairiel | but its clearly more |
| 13:53.22 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 13:53.25 | Fisker | :) |
| 13:53.27 | zenzelezz | anyone have opinions on 4x4 vs. 2x8 RAM bricks? |
| 13:53.34 | Stanzilla | 4x8 ofc |
| 13:53.40 | haste | Fisker: I want a steelcase leap, but so difficult to get a hold of in No(r)way |
| 13:53.44 | zenzelezz | good point Stanzilla |
| 13:53.47 | nevcairiel | bigger modules can sometimes be slightly slower |
| 13:53.49 | Fisker | n5? |
| 13:53.56 | nevcairiel | however, it probably doesnt matter a bit |
| 13:55.16 | Fisker | hahah bullshit |
| 13:58.24 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: i dont think im getting my case before i leave for blizzcon, i shouldnt have spent $5 on expedited shipping |
| 13:58.33 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:59.09 | Arrowmaster | they created a usps tracking number for it on friday but it still says 'pre-shipping' as in hasnt been scanned in by usps |
| 13:59.52 | karl_w_w | it might have just not been scanned |
| 14:02.04 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
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| 14:03.40 | Fisker | fucking retards |
| 14:03.57 | Fisker | just spawned on a chopper and everyone was bailed when i spawned |
| 14:04.58 | airtonix | sounds like fun? |
| 14:05.17 | airtonix | did you shout "Get to the choppa!" |
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| 14:14.55 | karl_w_w | why would they when the phrase is "da choppa"? |
| 14:19.21 | airtonix | simply to annoy you karl_w_w |
| 14:26.29 | karl_w_w | that's not annpying airtonix |
| 14:26.43 | karl_w_w | annoying is drawing 25 cards and getting no holy novas |
| 14:26.44 | airtonix | but is it annoying? |
| 14:26.53 | karl_w_w | no |
| 14:27.00 | karl_w_w | it's nothing |
| 14:27.12 | airtonix | so drawing one card with a pencil isn't annoying? |
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| 15:29.22 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.27 | karl_w_w | facepalms |
| 15:31.35 | foxlit | why so palmfaced, karl_w_w? |
| 15:31.50 | karl_w_w | because unnecessarily long |
| 15:31.56 | Stanzilla | that's around the corner from here |
| 15:32.14 | karl_w_w | I hope they keep combining areas |
| 15:33.00 | karl_w_w | until the whole of munich is just called each of the boroughs combined |
| 15:33.24 | Stanzilla | those district names are never used anyway |
| 15:39.53 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.10 | Stanzilla | dafuq is that |
| 15:41.26 | foxlit | Excellent. |
| 15:41.38 | foxlit | essentially, p returns a value and a continuation token. If the value matches something, I want to call it again with the continuation token and compare to next value. |
| 15:42.44 | foxlit | if all the values are matched, I then want to return the last continuation token. If one of them isn't matched, I want to return nil |
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| 16:01.05 | Arrowmaster | pompy: aid my fleet |
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| 16:13.13 | solocommand_ | Anyone know offhand if ToggleFriendsFrame got restricted recently? |
| 16:13.36 | nevcairiel | it did, although probably not intentionally |
| 16:13.46 | nevcairiel | it suffers from a bug that many things in the UI suffer from right now |
| 16:14.42 | solocommand_ | Ah, k. I've been away for a while, was just digging into some reported bugs with an addon. :) Thanks |
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| 16:35.17 | amro | foxlit: why are you going for unreadability? |
| 16:37.03 | karl_w_w | iz good! http://games.adultswim.com/soundodger-puzzle-online-game.html |
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| 17:20.03 | foxlit | amro: because I don't foresee having to revise this code in the future. |
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| 17:40.49 | Amarande | huh, this is interesting looking at raidbots |
| 17:41.12 | Amarande | for pretty much the entire expansion frost has been the best mage spec, with arcane only just starting to nose it out at present BiS |
| 17:41.20 | Amarande | and fire has always been kind of the suck spec |
| 17:41.44 | Amarande | but looking at the garrosh fight, fire seems to be doing noticeably better than the others, while frost is down there with arms warriors :P |
| 17:44.09 | Amarande | mind you this present tier seems to be particularly effed up in terms of balance, given how the dps specs are reasonably close from mid-september and then diverge so massively |
| 17:44.51 | Amarande | bring the player not the class, they said many years ago. I'm not even sure that's really true anymore, based on graphs like this one |
| 17:47.52 | Amarande | btw, what are people meaning by like, "flex 2" "flex 3" and "flex 4"? |
| 17:48.51 | karl_w_w | flex raids |
| 17:49.02 | karl_w_w | a new difficulty between lfr and normal |
| 17:49.18 | zenzelezz | IIRC, fire was popular during vanilla-Naxx or so |
| 17:49.37 | Amarande | yeah, I know what flex raids are, but I'm wondering what those numbers after them mean |
| 17:49.44 | zenzelezz | did Frostfire just silently die? |
| 17:49.55 | Amarande | guessing either wings or a particular group size, but I'm not sure which wing is which # |
| 17:49.59 | Amarande | zenzelezz, pretty much |
| 17:50.20 | Amarande | it was basically a victim of the move from old style talent trees to the new spec system |
| 17:55.14 | Amarande | frostfire was a variant spec upon ... I forget if the base spec was fire or frost or either |
| 17:55.29 | Amarande | but in any case, the "variant" specs like that all pretty much silently fizzled out with the mop spec system |
| 17:56.43 | Amarande | And yeah it would have had to be Naxx probably for fire in vanilla, wasn't like half the stuff before that immune? :) |
| 17:58.10 | zenzelezz | most likely |
| 17:58.40 | Amarande | but yeah, by the numbers fire has usually seemed to be the poorest mage spec lately while frost and arcane are neck and neck for best |
| 17:58.48 | Amarande | I wonder why it's flipped for Garrosh |
| 17:59.05 | karl_w_w | frostfire was never a viable spec |
| 17:59.19 | karl_w_w | it was always slightly below the spec it was based on |
| 17:59.49 | karl_w_w | I also don't remember what spec it was based on, but it was just "replace the main nuke with frostfire bolt" |
| 18:00.24 | karl_w_w | and it was long dead by the time the trees changed |
| 18:00.52 | Amarande | oh, dagnabbit |
| 18:01.09 | Amarande | I really need to NOT start a character unless I have time to quest the lower level zones |
| 18:01.15 | Amarande | I'm about to get into that suck spot again |
| 18:01.36 | Amarande | where you hit level 18 through having time to do cooking and fishing dailies but you've barely gotten into the 10-20 zone |
| 18:01.56 | Amarande | ... since there are no 15-20 zones, only 10-20, and everything is so chain based now ... |
| 18:01.59 | karl_w_w | and fire was the best spec all through BC and WOTLK except for some circumstances right near the end where arcane took over, and also parts of cata |
| 18:02.14 | karl_w_w | and parts of mists |
| 18:02.26 | karl_w_w | fire has always been the main dps spec |
| 18:02.32 | Amarande | yeah, arcane tended to take over at the end because of scaling, especially once cata introduced mastery |
| 18:02.49 | Amarande | since before int stopped giving mana, arcane mastery was basically broken-OP |
| 18:03.06 | karl_w_w | ironically, fire was at its worst during firelands |
| 18:03.25 | karl_w_w | apart from on alysrazor of course |
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| 18:04.12 | Amarande | karl: that's kinda expected |
| 18:04.15 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure I see the irony in that |
| 18:04.28 | Amarande | pretty much like early vanilla raiding, where half the mobs were flat out immune to fire |
| 18:04.48 | karl_w_w | it was firelands, fire was king! even the tier set was all fire-y |
| 18:04.54 | karl_w_w | but playing fire sucked |
| 18:04.55 | foxlit | anyone play a feral druid? |
| 18:05.20 | karl_w_w | and it's not cos anything was immune to fire |
| 18:05.24 | zenzelezz | were the Naxx mobs (in vanilla in particular) much resistant to frost? |
| 18:05.57 | kd3|hate`net | only the second-to-last boss? KT had some frost-immune trashmobs too iirc |
| 18:06.28 | karl_w_w | afaik frost was the default spec through most of classic |
| 18:06.36 | karl_w_w | but I didn't play then |
| 18:08.30 | Amarande | GAH, *headdesk* |
| 18:08.39 | Amarande | I would have been sitting here doing this daily all day without any luck at this rate :| |
| 18:09.54 | karl_w_w | I played fire all through BC, arcane before it was "cool" and all through wotlk, and frost since then apart from a short stint as fire in 5.0 |
| 18:10.15 | Amarande | hm. any idea then what frost's trouble is on Garrosh? |
| 18:10.19 | Amarande | it's like, down there with arms warriors |
| 18:10.29 | karl_w_w | haven't been there on normal |
| 18:10.47 | Amarande | going to guess mobility has something to do with it :S |
| 18:10.52 | karl_w_w | chances are it doesn't have trouble, it's just everything else loves having a million mobs |
| 18:11.01 | Amarande | since frost seems to have like, close to zero ability to deal with heavy mobility |
| 18:11.16 | karl_w_w | nah frost is fine on the move |
| 18:11.50 | karl_w_w | still the only mage spec that can do full dps while moving (if things proc at the right time/you can force a proc) |
| 18:11.53 | Amarande | speaking of frost and aoe, ever get the thought that Frost Bomb looks almost exactly like the sticky plasma grenade from Halo? :) |
| 18:12.07 | karl_w_w | no |
| 18:12.19 | karl_w_w | and nobody who values their sanity uses frost bomb |
| 18:13.24 | Amarande | hah guild name ... "Molten Core Swim Teams" |
| 18:13.40 | karl_w_w | but yeah, relative to other specs and classes frost does amazingly when there are exactly 2 mobs, but in pure aoe situations we have nothing |
| 18:14.11 | karl_w_w | our best 2 aoe abilities are flamestrike followed by arcane explosion |
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| 18:14.41 | karl_w_w | well, glyphed cone of cold is top but you rarely have a chance to use it |
| 18:15.41 | Amarande | what about blizzard? |
| 18:16.11 | karl_w_w | blizzard is for when you want to look bad in the eyes of other mages |
| 18:16.34 | karl_w_w | blizzard shouldn't even be on your bars |
| 18:16.57 | Amarande | I used to tend to use flamestrike then blizzard, rather than AE |
| 18:17.05 | Amarande | although doesn't AE require you to be right up in the faces of the mobs? |
| 18:17.12 | Amarande | generally the sort of thing you're taught not to do as ranged |
| 18:17.39 | Amarande | especially not as ooshy squooshy ranged like a mage |
| 18:18.05 | karl_w_w | usually yes, which is why you just flamestrike and put 3 living bombs up and continue single target |
| 18:19.17 | karl_w_w | if there are lots of small mobs that must die quickly in no particular order and you can't get into melee due to danger then cast blizzard |
| 18:19.27 | karl_w_w | what fights does that happen on? none. |
| 18:23.32 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:25.27 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.05 | Amarande | hm. one thing I really miss about SW:TOR and I think LOTRO auction search |
| 18:26.05 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:26.16 | Amarande | any addons that add this functionality (and that hopefully don't conflict with auctioneer)? |
| 18:26.28 | Amarande | namely ... search for item by stat |
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| 18:28.58 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: all of the images are broken for me. |
| 18:29.04 | Fisker | thoughts on what foxlit ? |
| 18:29.39 | kd3 | what images? he's linking to about:blank |
| 18:29.47 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: yes; they're all about:blank. I'm not sure what images would make sense yet. |
| 18:30.02 | Thunder_Child | I have broken image icons... |
| 18:30.08 | foxlit | words on the page, Fisker, words on the page. |
| 18:30.15 | Thunder_Child | so they are supposed to be kd3. |
| 18:30.46 | Thunder_Child | foxlit: It's a pun so i hate it already. |
| 18:31.17 | Fisker | maybe separate the part about out of the box and expand it? |
| 18:31.35 | Fisker | purrs |
| 18:32.04 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: Don't puns require multiple meanings? This is just butchering a name :) |
| 18:33.36 | Thunder_Child | Close enough |
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| 18:34.47 | Seerah | http://screen.yahoo.com/snl/girl-080000450.html |
| 18:41.35 | nevcairiel | We're so sorry! This video is not available in your location |
| 18:41.47 | nevcairiel | Seerah is discrimating us foreigners! :( |
| 18:42.14 | Fisker | you're discriminating everything |
| 18:42.28 | Amarande | nevcairiel: scarier is the potential implications of such protection methods :| |
| 18:42.37 | nevcairiel | that would make a funny lawsuit, location based discrimination on the internet |
| 18:43.02 | Fisker | look at music videos on youtube nevcairiel |
| 18:43.19 | Amarande | nevcairiel, I was thinking more the possibility that eventually telecommuting could become a thing of the past because of the MAFIAA |
| 18:43.51 | Amarande | and keep in mind, there's already some small amounts of precedent here and there against people for using proxies to get around blocks on their present IP, too (something to do with some company mass snarfing stuff from craigslist to sell as their own info, apparently) |
| 18:44.13 | Amarande | basically, that you wouldn't be able to VPN anymore because it would be considered a circumvention device :| |
| 18:44.51 | Seerah | nevcairiel: this one work? http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/my-girl/n42654/ |
| 18:44.53 | Amarande | after all, geolocation is apparently (see above) used as a copyright protection scheme |
| 18:45.05 | Amarande | when you vpn, you can (and usually will) geolocate falsely |
| 18:45.31 | nevcairiel | nop |
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| 18:45.43 | Amarande | (as for DMCA paranoia levels, let's remember this: Linus STILL won't tell Americans what was changed in 2.2.20, and the only way to read the uncensored notes is to go to a non-US site and promise that you're a non-US person ...) |
| 18:45.47 | nevcairiel | but doesnt matter, its not like i wanted to actually see it, since i dont even know what it is :D |
| 18:46.08 | Thunder_Child | It's funny is what it is |
| 18:46.09 | Seerah | then try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFGslzSTqIg (the idiot recorded it diagonally, though...) |
| 18:46.55 | nevcairiel | probably recorded that way to avoid automatic copyright tagging |
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| 18:47.12 | Seerah | perhaps |
| 18:47.25 | Amarande | well, of course, build a better anti-piracy system and the world will build better pirates :) |
| 18:53.59 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/h2gNVlx6Esnv.png |
| 18:54.09 | jleclanche | Progress bar powered by Microsoft Windows technology © |
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| 19:02.35 | Seerah | And, of course, after all that now SNL put up their own copy :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foMQX9ZExsE |
| 19:06.29 | Amarande | ... drat. just dinged 18. guess it's time to queue |
| 19:28.05 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.03 | jleclanche | zsh: illegal hardware instruction (core dumped) convert web.png -trim web2.png |
| 19:32.05 | jleclanche | im scared. |
| 19:32.31 | Fisker | what? Is the assembly police gonna pull you over? |
| 19:33.48 | Amarande | jleclanche, are you overclocking? |
| 19:34.03 | jleclanche | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1345114 |
| 19:34.07 | jleclanche | your face is overclocking. |
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| 19:46.06 | karl_w_w | yes, such a fast face Amarande has |
| 19:57.19 | ccox | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/resistance-heroine-who-led-7000-men-against-the-nazis-2334156.html |
| 20:04.13 | AcidWeb | just a heads up, the CSMT patches (http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2013-September/101106.html) give me native/near native performance in wine for starcraft2/diablo3/etc |
| 20:06.08 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/purrmetheus/#video << and now it works. |
| 20:06.48 | Amarande | AcidWeb, have they managed to definitively do away with the erroneous ban problems with D3 in wine btw? |
| 20:07.07 | Amarande | I remember when D3 was still newish people complained that if they played it in wine it thought they were cheating |
| 20:07.12 | AcidWeb | No idea. Just reposting information from friend. |
| 20:07.26 | AcidWeb | None of my linux instalations have xorg ;p |
| 20:07.29 | Amarande | ... gluh, Blizz, you've created yet another tier of elitism with MoP apparently :| |
| 20:07.36 | Amarande | you know how it used to be "post ilvl and cheeve"? |
| 20:07.57 | Amarande | apparently now cheeve isn't good enough anymore on its own ... now a lot of the time you have to have the *Ahead of the Curve* version :P |
| 20:09.15 | Amarande | didn't quite think much of it at first since usually it's SoO and if you have Garrosh at all atm, you have the AotC FoS too |
| 20:09.32 | Amarande | but then I saw someone ask for throne of thunder and want the AotC version of Lei Shen, not just the regular achieve |
| 20:10.18 | Amarande | also I thought lei shen was ... no wait, that was lei shi |
| 20:10.25 | Amarande | damn you, pandaria and your confusingly similar names :) |
| 20:12.27 | Semlar | well, there's a pretty big difference between the two achievements |
| 20:14.08 | Semlar | ahead of the curve at least means you didn't just faceroll it in higher level gear |
| 20:14.23 | Amarande | yeah, but most of the time higher tier gear tends to make earlier raids into easymode in general |
| 20:14.38 | Amarande | unless it's some super gimmicky fight where gear barely matters (*cough* Malygos *cough*) |
| 20:15.34 | Semlar | you certainly shouldn't need AotC for lei shen if you've done the fight before and have current level gear |
| 20:16.19 | Semlar | frankly that raid should be a cake walk if the group outgears it |
| 20:16.31 | Semlar | i can't believe how much of a difference there is between tiers |
| 20:16.32 | Amarande | yeah, it seems to just be the usual WoW-ism, I'm guessing |
| 20:17.05 | Semlar | i mean i literally do like double the damage i did in ToT |
| 20:17.10 | Amarande | I can. Keep in mind that just the ilvl difference from baseline 90 gear to SoO gear is larger than the entire gamut of ilvls during the entirety of vanilla, say |
| 20:18.17 | Amarande | And the ilvl difference from baseline 90 gear through just the best first-tier raid stuff in MoP was also about as big as the entire epic gamut in TBC |
| 20:19.21 | Amarande | like I was saying before, not only are the ever increasing ilvls producing spiraling exponentiations, but we're using MORE ilvls every expansion too |
| 20:19.44 | Amarande | I would be fully unsurprised to see next expansion hit ilvl 900, or even 1000 |
| 20:20.12 | Amarande | but yeah it sounds like the AotC thing is the usual WoW-ism |
| 20:20.39 | Amarande | which like I've also said seems to be absent in the majority of other prominent MMOs, i.e., the tendency to demand creme de la creme gear/achievements for basically everything |
| 20:21.14 | Amarande | the only other game I've even heard of that being the norm is FF11 (where it was up to eleven really ... you basically needed creme de la creme gear while *leveling* too) |
| 20:21.54 | Amarande | FF11 had a good reason though, it was one of the last of the major MMOs of the level-down era |
| 20:23.05 | Amarande | I'm glad *that* era has passed, though :) |
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| 20:35.24 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.46 | karl_w_w | "Nancy recalled later in life that her parachute had snagged in a tree. The French resistance fighter who freed her said he wished all trees bore "such beautiful fruit". Nancy retorted: "Don't give me that French shit."" lol |
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| 20:56.03 | Fisker | and night here as well |
| 20:56.51 | Semlar | night fisker |
| 20:57.30 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/purrmetheus/ << okay, I think it's good to go. Anyone want to contribute some more class-specific examples? |
| 20:58.48 | Semlar | denied! |
| 20:59.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.35 | foxlit | mm, yes. Drycode all the things. |
| 21:01.15 | Semlar | y u do dis foxlit |
| 21:01.23 | Semlar | why deny me |
| 21:02.22 | foxlit | just delaying the zip download until I can figure out what to do with curse/wowi |
| 21:03.32 | foxlit | so the zip file exists but isn't world readable yet. In the meantime, I'm just soliciting opinions and more code to bundle into the initial release. |
| 21:03.46 | Semlar | i need to see the current code! |
| 21:04.18 | karl_w_w | 180g for 9 arena wins |
| 21:04.19 | Semlar | i didn't think you could even run any of these api functions from the secure scope |
| 21:04.21 | karl_w_w | so shitty |
| 21:04.36 | karl_w_w | but hey, I got grommash in a pack! |
| 21:05.22 | znf | what's purrmetheus?! |
| 21:05.29 | Semlar | hax |
| 21:05.46 | Semlar | he's trying to get blizzard to lock down all the things |
| 21:06.40 | znf | woah |
| 21:06.41 | znf | that's big |
| 21:06.49 | karl_w_w | sounds fake |
| 21:06.51 | foxlit | Those code snippets are insecure anyhow; you can use any API functions you want |
| 21:07.45 | Semlar | this operates basically the same way as that macro sequence addon i presume |
| 21:08.01 | karl_w_w | is this real foxlit, or a piss-take of people who ask for addons/macros that play the game for them? |
| 21:08.38 | foxlit | It's real code that runs against 5.4.1 |
| 21:08.56 | Semlar | it's not that much of a jump from my "smart" tab targeting macro addon |
| 21:09.08 | znf | foxlit, now give permissions! |
| 21:09.11 | Semlar | i just didn't think you could set it up like this |
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| 21:09.57 | karl_w_w | crazy |
| 21:10.06 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed it's possible |
| 21:10.12 | Semlar | it won't be |
| 21:10.16 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 21:10.22 | karl_w_w | it'll last about a month, tops |
| 21:10.24 | Semlar | you can be damn sure blizzard will break it if it gets released |
| 21:10.53 | karl_w_w | but I will teach it how to frost mage :P |
| 21:11.06 | Semlar | that could cause some unintended blowback |
| 21:11.20 | kd3 | unintended? |
| 21:11.30 | Semlar | can blowback be intended? |
| 21:11.37 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 21:11.42 | Semlar | then yes |
| 21:11.53 | znf | foxlit, what happens if you spam the hell out of the button? |
| 21:12.42 | foxlit | Cooldowns, presumably. |
| 21:14.40 | karl_w_w | well, mothra has gone missing, but he's not in my room so I'm happy. |
| 21:15.12 | foxlit | But generally, whatever your code specifies happens |
| 21:16.39 | Amarande | yuck, Semlar ... if Blizzard really locked down the UI too far, I'd probably abandon WoW for good |
| 21:16.52 | Amarande | I find the default UI to simply be incredibly clunky after using addons for so long |
| 21:22.53 | karl_w_w | you could bring back auto-dispel with this |
| 21:24.27 | Semlar | briefly |
| 21:24.28 | Amarande | frex, does the default blizz UI even have a facility for displaying more than what ... four action bars or so? |
| 21:24.47 | Semlar | 5 by default |
| 21:25.01 | Semlar | plus the pages |
| 21:25.04 | kd3 | if you need all 5 bars you're doing something wrong |
| 21:25.11 | Amarande | Semlar: pages are not practical in my experience |
| 21:25.15 | Semlar | it's a lot of damn buttons |
| 21:25.38 | Amarande | I attempted to use the paging in SW:TOR and found I used the wrong abilities more often than I like to think about because action bar scrolls hadn't happened |
| 21:25.51 | Amarande | part of it is if your mouse is in the wrong spot it won't page (if it's over the buttons it thinks you're doing something different, apparently) |
| 21:25.57 | kd3 | I only show... 20? buttons in my ui. I could probably get away with just 10 as long as I have a coherent cooldown display |
| 21:26.28 | Semlar | if you know your keybinds and don't click anything then you only need to see your cooldowns |
| 21:26.34 | kd3 | sure, nearly all of the hidden buttons have keybinds, but I know what those are and don't need a reminder in order to hit them |
| 21:26.40 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:27.20 | Semlar | that being said i have every button filled on my screen but some of them don't need to be there |
| 21:27.32 | Semlar | also hunters have a crapton of spells |
| 21:28.18 | Amarande | mind you I'm also not sure what the default blizz UI really is *like* anymore |
| 21:28.44 | Amarande | however, I do know that when I picked up LOTRO in particular, I was happy to see a lot of things in its UI that WoW either didn't have at all or required addons for |
| 21:28.51 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.53 | kd3 | here's a hint. move your interface/wtf folders to the desktop and play for a month |
| 21:29.05 | kd3 | (this is what you have to do in beta when they turn off addons) |
| 21:29.35 | znf | I went the asshole-ish way when they turned it off |
| 21:29.44 | foxlit | Semlar: that could cause some unintended blowback << this is somewhat calculated. |
| 21:29.49 | kd3 | I prefer my ui, but I'm entirely comfortable in the blizz-shipped ui. you have to be |
| 21:29.59 | Semlar | no i know you want them to break things but you don't know what they'll break |
| 21:30.26 | foxlit | There's a rather obvious and non-destructive fix for this particular issue. |
| 21:34.08 | Semlar | some people just want to watch the world burn |
| 21:34.29 | kd3 | things that should always be in your risks/concerns section of the design proposal: http://dpaste.com/1440294/ |
| 21:34.33 | foxlit | That would also be an interesting outcome :) |
| 21:34.43 | kd3 | any other suggestions? |
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| 21:35.47 | nevcairiel | the "i forgot something" and "someone else is distracting me" points cover most of the problems really |
| 21:36.14 | foxlit | "someone sues you to prevent completion of the endeavour" |
| 21:36.18 | znf | writes SP module for Purrmetheus |
| 21:36.52 | foxlit | cheers at znf. |
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| 21:37.36 | znf | at least I hope I figured this out |
| 21:39.14 | Amarande | yeah, there's really only a few main things that are ultimately painful about the blizz-shipped UI nowadays that I can think of |
| 21:39.40 | Amarande | 1) using several action bars is not the painless, convenient process it is with bartender |
| 21:39.40 | Semlar | lord knows i can never go back to the default minimap |
| 21:39.55 | Amarande | 2) it affects the AH massively |
| 21:40.32 | Amarande | indeed, while I haven't really taken much time to research it, I wouldn't be surprised if during major UI breaking-points (such as expansion pre-patches) the variety of goods on the AH plummets |
| 21:41.18 | Amarande | When you have Auctioneer, you get used to posting basically everything on the AH that you don't want and is auctionable at a better-than-vendor basis |
| 21:41.44 | Amarande | When you don't have access to Auctioneer, you have to manually research competition on everything you want to post, which takes much longer, and also inclines you to only post reliable sellers so as to save time |
| 21:42.34 | Gnarfoz | is it not possible to call phones from the hangouts app like it's possible from the hangouts thing on gmail? |
| 21:45.35 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: this is when you tell people you want to call to get with the program and use smartphones that also have the hangouts app :) |
| 21:46.05 | Amarande | additional bonus: you probably save a load of money on your cell bill if you can get people to do that |
| 21:50.32 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: what exactly does the gmail one do? |
| 21:51.08 | Gnarfoz | let me call phones |
| 21:51.39 | Gnarfoz | i.e. in the "start a new hangout" field, I can type a number and call it |
| 21:51.51 | Arrowmaster | from inside your browser or does it call your cell phone then? |
| 21:51.53 | Gnarfoz | it's what Google Voice used to be (for non US-ians) |
| 21:52.03 | Gnarfoz | whut? why would entering a number call my cell phone |
| 21:52.12 | Gnarfoz | no, from inside the browsedr |
| 21:52.13 | Gnarfoz | -d |
| 21:52.41 | Arrowmaster | google voice has that option, you put in the phone number in the browser and it will call your phone and connect you to the other number |
| 21:57.44 | Amarande | but still, in today's days of smartphones I'm not sure why you really need to call their traditional phone number all that often |
| 21:58.02 | Semlar | oO |
| 21:58.09 | Amarande | especially if they have android, since then they have hangouts too and you can make a call via that without any of the costs of a normal phone call or interfacing to same |
| 21:58.25 | Amarande | and given that when it comes to voice, data is usually an insanely better deal than minutes ... |
| 21:58.44 | Amarande | (why do you think apple wanted to block google voice so bad? :P) |
| 22:01.56 | Gnarfoz | well, there's no Google Voice outside the US |
| 22:02.02 | Gnarfoz | hence my reference to it |
| 22:04.04 | Gnarfoz | I called the Anaheim Marriott via hangouts from my browser, and I just tried calling my parents (to check if I could call them from the US), but the Android hangouts app just sits there stupidly or tries to make a video call |
| 22:05.07 | Amarande | I'm not sure there *is* a pure voice call bit in android hangouts |
| 22:05.32 | Amarande | I think the video call feature is used for both calls whether there's a video feed or not :S |
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| 22:51.48 | zenzelezz | that moment when you spend two hours wondering why you just can't get the damn SQL statement to insert the right number of entries... until you realise/remember that the source table contains data not present (and not meant to be present) in the second table |
| 22:52.28 | zenzelezz | resulting in the sad acknowledgement that you had a working statement hours ago but believed it was wrong |
| 22:53.26 | phelps | whats the best way to implement a "scrolling" window without actually rendering each row, I was thinking storing all my rows in a table, keeping an offset for the start |
| 22:53.37 | phelps | then rendering from that offset + how many rows I wanna show |
| 22:53.50 | phelps | and exiting once I'm done |
| 22:54.02 | phelps | reusing the same Frames for each of the rows |
| 22:54.57 | phelps | so I make 10 row frames and render to the same 10 over and over |
| 22:55.08 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz: How could it take you that long to compare? |
| 22:55.32 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: a combinations of reasons |
| 22:55.41 | zenzelezz | primarily because I'm dim, but also because I got tunnel vision |
| 22:56.22 | Thunder_Child | One of the things I learned was always do a query before you update/insert |
| 22:57.54 | zenzelezz | Table A contains a list of files downloaded from a server, Table B contains a list of products that I want to link the pictures to. Table A has 12451 entries, Table B has 12046; trying to join them gives 9440 results. What I had forgotten was that the file download is blind; it takes all files from the server, but not all of them match products |
| 22:58.18 | zenzelezz | I'd like to say "this was a troublesome blah blah", but there's really no excusing this one =) |
| 22:58.48 | xyphoid_ | if in doubt, explain it to a duck |
| 23:03.14 | phelps | rubber duck decoding always works for me |
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| 23:04.48 | Amarande | dammit, what's with SUF |
| 23:05.03 | Amarande | it keeps giving the dreaded "no an addon can't do that" dialog box |
| 23:05.15 | Amarande | ah, it's got the parentalcontrols bug too :| |
| 23:05.21 | kd3 | so turn it off and see if something else triggers it? |
| 23:05.41 | Amarande | speaking of which, did the IsDisabledByParentalControls() bug actually cause anything to not *work*, or does it just result in irritating popups? |
| 23:06.12 | foxlit | and we're off to the races. |
| 23:06.53 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.03 | phelps | foxlit: hows it do it ? |
| 23:11.28 | Stanzilla | I won |
| 23:11.31 | Stanzilla | do I get cookies now? |
| 23:11.36 | Gnarfoz | also, isn't that something you shouldn't be able to do |
| 23:14.21 | foxlit | phelps: I think telling would ruin the surprise. |
| 23:15.55 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.44 | Gnarfoz | of course, I just meant it seems like one of those edge cases they might have overlooked =D |
| 23:16.54 | phelps | one topic on the wow forums would get some serious attention in the dev room |
| 23:17.09 | foxlit | Stanzilla: you approved the project but not the file? :) |
| 23:17.27 | Gnarfoz | I realize it's all pre-determined out of combat, but it's /that/ little bit more sophisticated than a cast sequence :D |
| 23:17.36 | Stanzilla | foxlit: yeah sry, cf was hanging |
| 23:17.44 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: no, it's live. |
| 23:18.18 | Gnarfoz | the macros aren't |
| 23:18.20 | Gnarfoz | says your page |
| 23:18.43 | Gnarfoz | i.e. you're not updating macros in combat, just picking the appropriate ones when their time has come |
| 23:18.49 | Gnarfoz | (or am I misreading it?) |
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| 23:19.05 | phelps | he's updating macros in combat |
| 23:19.33 | foxlit | the pool of macros can be though of as static; the "correct" one to use is selected in combat. |
| 23:19.52 | phelps | using some environment stuff I'm sure they didn't intend |
| 23:19.53 | Gnarfoz | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 23:20.01 | phelps | I have no idea how it works though |
| 23:20.17 | phelps | confusing source is confusing |
| 23:20.23 | Stanzilla | foxlit: I still want your cast/alt power addon in the middle :D |
| 23:20.46 | Gnarfoz | what the hell is that dice Lua file |
| 23:20.47 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 23:21.08 | phelps | im pretty sure its a gateway to hell |
| 23:22.48 | Semlar-Laptop | oh, you uploaded it |
| 23:22.50 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: where's that hangouts apk at, btw? I'm getting tired of waiting for this crappy staged rollout to reach me |
| 23:23.22 | foxlit | Stanzilla: yeah, it's neat :) |
| 23:23.24 | Stanzilla | !google android-central hangouts v2 apk |
| 23:23.37 | foxlit | though it's kind of limited to the few specs I actually play. |
| 23:23.46 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: thought you posted it on g+, meh :D |
| 23:24.08 | Stanzilla | foxlit: do you play paladin? |
| 23:24.18 | foxlit | not since cataclysm. |
| 23:24.39 | Stanzilla | ah well |
| 23:24.45 | Stanzilla | just release it :D |
| 23:25.53 | Stanzilla | foxlit: ah now that you are here, opie is trolling me |
| 23:26.01 | foxlit | how so? |
| 23:26.02 | Stanzilla | it changes the position of a slice in a ring all the time |
| 23:26.16 | foxlit | could you snapshot the relevant rings and paste them somewhere? |
| 23:26.36 | Stanzilla | sure |
| 23:26.46 | Stanzilla | foxlit: http://paste2.org/CKjb2vNZ |
| 23:27.17 | Stanzilla | it's the macro of the addon squire that is affected |
| 23:28.41 | foxlit | so what does it do? |
| 23:28.52 | Stanzilla | changes position |
| 23:28.55 | Stanzilla | with fire elemental |
| 23:29.13 | Stanzilla | so every time I try to mount, I cast fire elemental :/ |
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| 23:31.02 | Semlar-Laptop | problem? |
| 23:32.55 | Stanzilla | yes |
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| 23:43.16 | foxlit | Stanzilla: so they just swap positions? |
| 23:43.27 | Stanzilla | foxlit: yes |
| 23:43.36 | foxlit | every time you open the ring? |
| 23:45.20 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 23:45.32 | Stanzilla | I think on every login |
| 23:45.41 | Stanzilla | it survives reload uis though |
| 23:45.52 | Stanzilla | I think it has something todo with how squire creates the macro |
| 23:46.28 | foxlit | but having it mess with the /order/ is wrong. |
| 23:46.47 | foxlit | I'd understand it if it wasn't displayed, but inverted order makes very little sense. |
| 23:50.12 | foxlit | Stanzilla: try removing the macro slide from the ring, adding it again, and checking whether the problem persists. |
| 23:50.28 | Stanzilla | will do |
| 23:51.36 | Stanzilla | great now I deleted the ring by accident |
| 23:51.41 | Stanzilla | good that I exported you the backup :D |
| 23:51.44 | foxlit | hit cancel |
| 23:51.52 | Stanzilla | already back on track |
| 23:52.13 | foxlit | opie configuration ui can undo everything you did if you hit that cancel button :) |
| 23:53.04 | foxlit | deleting profiles? changing every binding? cat replacing your complicated macros by walking over keyboard and hitting ctrl-a and backspace simultaniously? undo all the things. |
| 23:53.48 | Neffi_ | That's really nice that you did that, but it's also a bit jarring |
| 23:54.08 | Neffi_ | Since no other addon really implements that feature, I've had numerous times when I accidentally cancelled all my changes, expecting them to go through anyway |
| 23:54.15 | Stanzilla | foxlit: so far it survived relogging, I will report back if starts acting up again |
| 23:55.05 | foxlit | Blizzard configuration panels universally implement that feature, I think. |
| 23:55.22 | foxlit | it's "apply changes immediately, back out of everything if you hit cancel" |
| 23:55.25 | Stanzilla | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1403224_653890661308608_2115931741_o.jpg |
| 23:55.56 | Neffi_ | Stanzilla: I have a feeling this isn't real |
| 23:56.10 | Stanzilla | same here lol |
| 23:56.16 | Stanzilla | just gets linked everywhere now |
| 23:56.34 | foxlit | if the dec 2014 date is real, expect an annual pass right about now. |
| 23:56.51 | Neffi_ | There are a lot of things there that are not in line with Blizzard |
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| 23:57.53 | Neffi_ | See if you can spot the issues or graphical glitches in this CGI: http://i.imgur.com/bXTsleX.jpg |
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