| 00:00.10 | foxlit | You're drawing a very false equivalence between military intelligence and mass-surveillance. |
| 00:00.11 | Esamynn|work | the claim is that this is all about reducing risk to use citizens... the quest for zero risk... well guess what, life IS risk... and the developed world has, as a group, become far too risk averse |
| 00:00.24 | Neffi | foxlit: I'm not saying don't think about it. Definitely do. Talk about it. There should be demand to keep a watchful eye on the watchers. |
| 00:00.26 | Semlar | didn't do caesar much good did it |
| 00:00.30 | Neffi | But don't expect those watchers to go away |
| 00:00.39 | foxlit | That's useless, Neffi. |
| 00:01.48 | A-KO | woot woot |
| 00:01.50 | A-KO | 1 week |
| 00:01.52 | A-KO | *1 week* :D |
| 00:01.59 | A-KO | I shall be at Blizzcon |
| 00:02.02 | A-KO | Arrowmaster we gotta drink again |
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| 00:02.26 | Esamynn|work | A-KO: correction: 161 hours |
| 00:02.37 | kd3 | I expect lots of drinking will be had, or I'm going to be sorely disappointed |
| 00:02.40 | Esamynn|work | wait, 162 |
| 00:02.48 | Esamynn|work | forgot about DST |
| 00:02.49 | Neffi | Have a drink for me ;) |
| 00:04.08 | bleeter | why stop at one? :D |
| 00:05.10 | Neffi | Wow, mpv's default scaling (at least on Windows) is epically shitty |
| 00:05.21 | Neffi | MPC's default bilinear scaling is better >_> |
| 00:06.03 | Neffi | The GUI also doesn't know how to handle itself. Apparently it's getting fed through the video scaler/renderer to be displayed. |
| 00:06.43 | Esamynn|work | what are we talking about? |
| 00:07.01 | Neffi | High quality video? |
| 00:07.08 | Amarande | Esamynn: I wonder if a lot of it is a phenomenon that ... hmm, how would I name it, "crystallisation" of society causing the risk aversion, too |
| 00:07.17 | Amarande | good gods, wtf, 75 gold for a 16 slot bag on illidan |
| 00:07.31 | Esamynn|work | O_O |
| 00:07.33 | kd3 | inflation is real? |
| 00:07.36 | Neffi | Amarande: I'm inclined to think you're right |
| 00:07.37 | Amarande | they were a fraction of that the other day |
| 00:07.45 | Neffi | Not about the 16 slotters, about the other thing |
| 00:07.47 | kd3 | it's also the weekend |
| 00:07.50 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah |
| 00:07.57 | Amarande | back in the day, society had a lot more built-in give and flexibility to it |
| 00:08.05 | Esamynn|work | but only averse to certain types of risk |
| 00:08.17 | Esamynn|work | it's all in the framing and how people perceve it |
| 00:08.22 | Amarande | we were farmers, as long as someone in the family was able to plant the seeds and harvest the crops, you were pretty much okay even if someone died |
| 00:08.39 | Esamynn|work | the human brain is *VERY* bad at understanding small probibilities |
| 00:08.52 | Neffi | Ha. Their default settings on Windows is causing desync on my damn Sandy Bridge chip. The same chip that MPC's most aggressive settings can't even reach 30% usage on. |
| 00:09.06 | Neffi | mpv is gonna need a lot of configuration if/when I switch to Linux =( |
| 00:09.07 | Amarande | now, although we've gained a lot from modern technology and industry, it's also pretty much caused us to evolve into an extensive pattern of, basically, single points of failure |
| 00:09.31 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: I disagree. It's very bad at understanding any probability. |
| 00:09.49 | Esamynn|work | yes, but worse at the extreme ends of the scale, close to 0, or close to 1 |
| 00:10.08 | Amarande | one building often controls such a large percentage of major business that if an attacker takes it out, the whole system is badly wounded (e.g. 9/11 economic fallout) |
| 00:10.09 | Esamynn|work | as an example, I give you the lottery |
| 00:10.37 | bleeter | or as I see frequently in the news: 'a probability of 100%' |
| 00:10.51 | bleeter | makes me want to kill kittens |
| 00:10.51 | Amarande | instead of each adult in a family pulling more or less equal weight, there's one or two job holders the loss of which often entails the financial doom of the whole group |
| 00:11.05 | Amarande | because even if there are others who can work, they often don't have the same credentials that can get them the same income, and they needed that income ... |
| 00:11.40 | Amarande | yeah, we've kind of overcrystallised, definitely :| it's hard to figure out how much is risk aversion and how much is that we simply cannot take damage like we once did and thus HAVE to be more risk averse nolens volens |
| 00:11.41 | Esamynn|work | the entire economic system is based on ... faith |
| 00:12.51 | Esamynn|work | also, I think you equate damage to our advanced systems to human cost, far too closely |
| 00:13.00 | Amarande | and it's almost fractal in its nature, too |
| 00:13.02 | foxlit | bleeter: news mention probabilities? What do you watch? :) |
| 00:13.13 | Amarande | consider your own belongings. now that we have smartphones? sure, it's great to be able to do all that stuff with one device |
| 00:14.16 | g0urra | awesome.. phone provider forced me to update my iphone to remove the SIM lock, now I've lost my music and pictures.. |
| 00:14.29 | bleeter | foxlit: just the usual shitty ones. BBC, AJE, ABC AU. They have their moments more than others, but it's still mostly spork to the eye time. |
| 00:14.53 | Esamynn|work | a full and complete compromise of my smartphone would be.... inconvenient... but not catastrophic in any sense |
| 00:15.26 | foxlit | mail account passwords. |
| 00:15.37 | foxlit | ssh keys. |
| 00:16.05 | Amarande | on the other hand, you lose that smartphone? there goes your identity, AND your appliance for several things, AND you also get tagged by employers as "hard to contact" etc. etc. |
| 00:16.25 | Amarande | meanwhile, your smartphone itself? it's got its own single points of failure. etc. |
| 00:17.04 | Esamynn|work | the ssh keys are password protected, the mail account compromise would be problematic if it was someone actively malicious |
| 00:17.20 | Amarande | yeah, mail is another case where we've pinned so much on a single spot |
| 00:17.25 | Esamynn|work | but again, not catastrophic |
| 00:17.33 | Amarande | your email password is as important as your SSN nowadays ... maybe even more so |
| 00:17.39 | Amarande | (at least you can CHANGE your email password though ...) |
| 00:17.43 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 00:17.58 | Esamynn|work | the essence of the problem with biometric security |
| 00:18.35 | foxlit | "compromise" might actually include snooping your ssh key password as well. |
| 00:18.49 | Esamynn|work | also, I don't think my phone actually has my google password, just a token to access the account, which would be useless once revoked |
| 00:19.01 | Esamynn|work | fair enough |
| 00:19.04 | Amarande | Esamynn: at least as far as remote access is concerned, yeah |
| 00:19.20 | Amarande | it's why true two-factor authentication is a difficult animal |
| 00:19.29 | Esamynn|work | yup |
| 00:19.42 | Amarande | apart from password + one-time password (authenticator, SMS code etc.), it seems almost impossible to actually do in a remote access sense |
| 00:19.47 | Esamynn|work | I *hate* "wannabe two-factor auth" |
| 00:20.26 | Amarande | because anything that would be a second factor in a local sense, e.g. biometrics, has to be translated into a digital code in order to be usable remotely |
| 00:20.36 | Amarande | but then it becomes a password and you get password + password which is fake |
| 00:20.42 | Esamynn|work | it's worse than just a password in my book, because people think it is more secure |
| 00:21.59 | Amarande | ultimately, the Internet's Achilles' heel seems to be then the complete inability to transmit unconverted analog data |
| 00:22.27 | Esamynn|work | but anyways, security, is, and always has been, about being secure enough that the causal intruder moves on.... nothing is impenetrable |
| 00:22.48 | Esamynn|work | and that would help... how? |
| 00:24.02 | Esamynn|work | computers are digital, any analog signal must eventually be analyzed by a digital system.... a digital system can emulate an analog to any degree of desired accuracy |
| 00:27.52 | Amarande | as in, things like biometrics cannot be transmitted "as such" |
| 00:27.56 | Tuller | wooh my blood sugar is 35 |
| 00:28.10 | Amarande | they have to be converted to a digital signal, at which point the fingerprint IS the digital signal, not the original fingerprint |
| 00:28.20 | foxlit | 35 arbitrary units?! Seek medical attention immediately! |
| 00:28.34 | kd3 | that's a bit low, tuller. drink some sugar-laden fruit juice |
| 00:28.34 | Amarande | and then it's just a passkey without any advantages the original analog form might have had as a separate factor |
| 00:29.41 | Esamynn|work | as I said, the fact that it is remote, isn't even the key factor here. it has to be analyzed somehow and a functionally perfect replica will always be possible |
| 00:30.04 | Esamynn|work | this is why key pairs are so fundamentally important |
| 00:30.17 | Amarande | Esamynn: I was thinking of a difference between, perhaps, touching a machine directly to be authenticated for that machine |
| 00:30.36 | Esamynn|work | I know, and what I'm saying is there isn't a real difference |
| 00:31.04 | Amarande | where there can still be some hardware-enforced security that it's your fingerprint (e.g. only accepting the code from the scanner, and not from some other source on the machine) |
| 00:31.24 | Amarande | whereas if you're tapping to authenticate for a remote machine, because of the necessary digitisation, the divorce from the original source is complete |
| 00:31.24 | Esamynn|work | so you have to then fool the sensor |
| 00:31.55 | Esamynn|work | in the remote case, you just have to fake the sensor's report, the difference isn't really significant |
| 00:32.01 | Amarande | because there's no way to tell that a given code came from a *specific device* on the originating machine, of course |
| 00:32.36 | Esamynn|work | even if it did, no sensor is perfect |
| 00:32.43 | Amarande | even OTP systems like authenticators are potentially vulnerable, if someone can calculate the sequence then the original device is no longer a protective factor |
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| 00:33.07 | Primer | oh please |
| 00:33.26 | Primer | unless that system was coded by a moron (which I'm not discounting) that's VERY unlikely |
| 00:33.33 | Esamynn|work | like I said, NOTHING is impenetrable, security is mostly smoke and mirrors and always has been |
| 00:33.53 | Amarande | Primer: we're talking about theory here, not probability in actual practise |
| 00:33.54 | Esamynn|work | Primer: substitute compromise, for calculate |
| 00:34.24 | bleeter | didn't RSA have one of their OTP authenticator system broken? |
| 00:34.28 | Amarande | as in, not so much say the probability that a given password will be cracked, as the basic theoretical weakness of passwords in the first place |
| 00:35.18 | Esamynn|work | bleeter: I believe they were hacked and something critical stolen, yes |
| 00:35.33 | Esamynn|work | my company replaced all of our auth tokens a while back |
| 00:35.37 | Esamynn|work | because of that |
| 00:36.41 | Amarande | and thus, by extension, the basic theoretical weakness of the Internet *altogether* |
| 00:36.55 | Amarande | which is that since the Internet only transmits digital signals, an authentication credential can also only consist of same |
| 00:36.55 | bleeter | it's kinda sad how quickly the web falls apart if you disable RC4 in your browser |
| 00:37.07 | Esamynn|work | this is not unique to the internet Amarande |
| 00:37.11 | Amarande | which means it's either a password or an OTP of some fashion, no matter how many other forms of authentication you try to concoct |
| 00:37.14 | bleeter | even more sad when using something like Calomel to enforce high grade encryption |
| 00:37.42 | bleeter | saddest when forcing https everywhere and not pushing referer headers as well |
| 00:37.53 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 00:38.11 | Esamynn|work | well, the https support of most sites is.... pathetic and non-functional at best |
| 00:38.18 | bleeter | oh, did I mention I was in Private Browsing as well, with the usual noscript/adblock/ghostery etc. |
| 00:38.31 | Amarande | Esamynn: it protects passwords from casual snooping anyway |
| 00:39.12 | Esamynn|work | personally, I take great pains to ensure the best https support I can for every site I run |
| 00:39.47 | Primer | I wonder what the NSA has to say about that |
| 00:40.05 | Esamynn|work | biggest roadblock is a useful certificate, really |
| 00:40.17 | Esamynn|work | getting a* |
| 00:40.29 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: by useful... do you mean with or without RC4? :P |
| 00:40.39 | Primer | define "useful" |
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| 00:40.53 | Esamynn|work | getting one most web browsers won't complain about on sight |
| 00:41.10 | Primer | so...ubiquitous |
| 00:41.17 | Primer | is the word you were looking for |
| 00:41.26 | Amarande | Esamynn: yeah, that's an increasingly difficult problem going forward too |
| 00:41.33 | Primer | Lately I've been using geotrust |
| 00:41.41 | Amarande | especially with a lot of https implementations requiring a unique IPv4 per site |
| 00:41.45 | Esamynn|work | as you like, I forget the name of the cert authority I found |
| 00:42.03 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: I'm more worried about the XP users who will not start seeing a 'gtfo' page next year |
| 00:42.13 | Primer | Amarande: I don't see how that can be enforced |
| 00:42.35 | Esamynn|work | but I found one that would give me free personal use certs.... honestly though, I'd happily pay a small fee per year per a domain, but $100+ that most want is stupid |
| 00:42.41 | Amarande | Primer: I mean, eventually it's going to be increasingly difficult to use https in a way that keeps browsers happy |
| 00:43.12 | Esamynn|work | only IE does that, that I've seen Amarande |
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| 00:44.10 | A-KO | I'm pregaming tomorrow mornin |
| 00:44.16 | A-KO | drink at the airport oh yeah |
| 00:44.25 | Esamynn|work | shit, gotta run. back later |
| 00:46.17 | bleeter | if I were collecting all teh metadatas I'd try and DoS the vulnerable out of date insecure shitboxens out there... |
| 00:46.33 | bleeter | unless I needed some of said shitboxens for my own nefarious uses, of course.. mwhaahahaha |
| 00:47.04 | bleeter | so yeah, WinXP unpatched with IE(6?)? It's in your national interest! \o/ |
| 00:48.30 | Neffi | You guys think the newer single 4TB 3.5" are trustworthy? |
| 00:48.47 | Neffi | I'm initially really iffy on trusting a drive that crams 4 TB of magnets into 3.5" |
| 00:49.05 | Tuller | as a general rule, i let other people test drives for me |
| 00:49.10 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:49.16 | Amarande | Neffi: I'd probably never go above 2TB without a good reason |
| 00:49.25 | kd3|hate`net | give it a few months? it's not like the same thing wasn't said about every new drive capacity starting at a few mb or so |
| 00:49.27 | Amarande | simply because with 2TB I don't have to worry about partition types or boot methods or what have you |
| 00:49.47 | A-KO | TSA Pre✓™ includes U.S. citizens who are select frequent travelers of participating airlines or members of existing Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Trusted Traveler programs including Global Entry, NEXUS, and SENTRI programs. < aaaaaaaw yeaaaaaaah |
| 00:49.51 | Amarande | once you go past that, you have to make absolutely sure you're booting in UEFI, that the drive's been formatted GPT etc. etc. etc. |
| 00:49.55 | Neffi | Good reason being that I'd like to make my next build an ITX machine. I'm really in love with the FT03-mini, but it's only got one 3.5" drive, so I can't RAID or JBOD drives |
| 00:50.32 | Neffi | It won't be a boot drive. It'll be holding a lot of media. Movies, music. |
| 00:50.50 | Neffi | And of course I'll be using GPT+UEFI. It's 2013. |
| 00:50.56 | Amarande | A-KO: sometimes one stands in line at security and wonders how long before it'll be practically mandatory to sign up for a Pre-affiliated prescreening registry in order to fly |
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| 00:51.18 | Tuller | I should get my fancy card for that at some point |
| 00:51.42 | Amarande | of course, then everyone who flies would sign up for Pre-affiliated registries |
| 00:51.44 | A-KO | Tuller: got mine :D |
| 00:51.50 | Amarande | and then the prescreened line would be the one that's impossibly long, heh |
| 00:51.55 | Amarande | like the pre-reg line often is at Dragon Con :P |
| 00:52.15 | A-KO | Got my Nexus card READY |
| 00:52.16 | A-KO | :D |
| 00:52.26 | Amarande | like seriously ... buy your dragon con badge at the door and you breeze through |
| 00:52.32 | Amarande | pre-reg and you wait in line for 2 hours :| |
| 00:53.28 | Amarande | Neffi: remember to face your ... er ... F8, then. :) |
| 00:53.40 | Amarande | that's probably the most irritating thing about the whole UEFI thing is installing Windows in the first place |
| 00:53.57 | A-KO | I believe 8 installs in uefi by default if all the pieces are in place |
| 00:53.59 | Amarande | if you don't remember to F8-boot each time when you boot the windows disc, you'll most likely still end up installing it as legacy mode even in 2013 |
| 00:54.13 | Neffi | That depends a lot on the board |
| 00:54.20 | Amarande | A-KO: I seem to remember windows setup only likes to install for UEFI if you booted the setup disc as UEFI |
| 00:54.24 | Amarande | that's where people usually trip up |
| 00:54.25 | Neffi | Typically I just go into BIOS and disable legacy booting, to make sure that's impossible |
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| 00:54.44 | Neffi | I don't even keep legacy boot enabled. The only time I can imagine needing it, I'd rather have to remember to enable it. |
| 00:54.48 | Amarande | because on a lot of boards if you don't f8 boot it will always boot removable media as legacy |
| 00:55.02 | Amarande | and then since you booted the removable media (the Windows disc) as legacy, it will insist on installing as legacy |
| 00:55.15 | Neffi | I'd be surprised if a modern UEFI board couldn't disable legacy boot |
| 00:55.21 | Amarande | particularly trip-uppy if you bought Win8 at launch with the deal, for three reasons actually :| |
| 00:55.29 | Neffi | My Lenovo laptop can disable legacy booting |
| 00:56.09 | Neffi | A lot of EFIs are actually quirky about installing Windows as legacy. I had issues with that myself. |
| 00:56.56 | Neffi | A conflict with the EFI prevented booting from GPT disks, and because the Windows disc doesn't have a proper EFI loader on it, it was initially impossible for me to install Windows 7 on my laptop |
| 00:57.22 | Neffi | I had to manually move the Win7 disc's EFI bootloader from its incorrect location, to /efi/boot/ |
| 00:58.07 | Neffi | I learned a bit about how EFI works when troubleshooting that, so I'm good to go on new builds now |
| 00:58.10 | Amarande | Yeah, that's what I mean |
| 00:58.58 | Neffi | I even made an "EFI only" boot disc for Windows 7. No classic bootloader, only the bootx64.efi bootloader. So not only does it definitely install properly on this machine, but won't accidentally invoke legacy install. |
| 00:59.05 | Amarande | two of those three reasons are because not only do you need to boot the Win8 disc as EFI to install it that way, you also need to boot the Win7 disc that way TOO (because you need to install 7 in order to be eligible to upgrade to 8, and I'm not sure if 8's installer will ever change the partitioning type even if you delete all partitions during install) |
| 00:59.45 | Amarande | the third is that launch download ISOs of 8 had bugs related to UEFI, so if you bought it at launch you'll need to reburn it |
| 00:59.51 | Neffi | Windows 8 is now offered as a standalone disc, actually. And it has a fully qualified EFI bootloader out of the box. |
| 01:00.01 | Amarande | Neffi: sure, if you want to pay for it again :) |
| 01:00.04 | A-KO | Amarande: weird. my launch 8 disc worked great on uefi |
| 01:00.05 | Neffi | But I don't intend to install Windows 8 in the foreseeable future. If I'm sticking to Windows at all, it'll be 7. |
| 01:00.51 | Neffi | If the upcoming games I'm anticipating supported Linux, I doubt I'd ever touch Windows again -- at least on my home machine |
| 01:01.57 | Shirik | they do |
| 01:02.02 | Shirik | wine game.exe |
| 01:02.11 | Amarande | Shirik: not anywhere close to 100% |
| 01:02.13 | Shirik | and if that doesn't work, just fix wine so it works |
| 01:02.18 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:02.34 | Amarande | WoW does, LOTRO is painful (it's apparently doable but a real chore, mostly because LOTRO's default launcher depends heavily on .NET) |
| 01:02.50 | Amarande | and SW:TOR I'm told you can do it but apparently you may risk getting false positived by the cheat detector and banned |
| 01:02.55 | Neffi | If Zenimax comes through on the rumor that they want to get Lua addons on the consoles, I might be willing to just buy a PS4 for ESO |
| 01:02.55 | Amarande | same being the case with D3 |
| 01:03.18 | Amarande | D2 works fine though (and is like, the poster boy success story for Wine, alongside WoW heh) |
| 01:03.38 | Neffi | I heard GW(2) works just as well as WoW |
| 01:04.00 | Neffi | Anyway, Wine is not something I want to depend on when I play a game daily |
| 01:04.09 | Amarande | although D2 in wine did teach me it was time to get rid of a discrete sound card :( |
| 01:04.12 | Neffi | New patch in either could cause major regressions or complete breakage |
| 01:04.28 | Tuller | oh does elder scrolls do lua addons? |
| 01:04.33 | Tuller | online, that is |
| 01:04.36 | Neffi | Yep |
| 01:04.50 | Amarande | yeah, wine 1.5 apparently regressed things quite horridly |
| 01:04.50 | Neffi | The details so far are thin, but it's UI addons coded in Lua a la WoW |
| 01:05.02 | Amarande | I remember compiling 1.5, figuring it would work fine with lotro etc. since 1.4 was said to |
| 01:05.07 | Amarande | and found it didn't work well at all with it |
| 01:05.13 | Amarande | that's when I said f it and put my Windows drive back in |
| 01:05.53 | Amarande | but yeah, wine definitely taught me not to use a discrete sound card, not in linux anyway :P |
| 01:06.52 | Neffi | Built-in sound nowadays is really good |
| 01:06.59 | Amarande | basically, I liked to use the discrete card for gaming, but I also liked the fact that my new case actually had front audio ports |
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| 01:07.13 | Amarande | so I left the onboard audio enabled as well because the card I had did not have a header for front audio ports |
| 01:07.19 | Neffi | And the external DAC/pre-amps I'd like to get all support standards-compliant USB audio, so the generic driver handles it. |
| 01:07.30 | Amarande | unfortunately, then I found that one of the major problems with ALSA is that it's horribly retarded when it comes to manually selecting a default sound device |
| 01:07.36 | Amarande | (something which is trivial in Windows, mind you) |
| 01:07.52 | Amarande | basically, ALSA decides what your default device should be when you boot, and that's that, pretty much |
| 01:07.57 | Neffi | Your discrete card had no audio headers? |
| 01:07.58 | Amarande | and it doesn't always pick the same one every boot EITHER |
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| 01:08.04 | Neffi | That doesn't sound like a very good discrete card |
| 01:08.06 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah it was an old Creative Ensoniq or something |
| 01:08.14 | Neffi | Bah, Creative |
| 01:08.17 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:08.19 | Amarande | or wait, no, it was an Audigy SE I think |
| 01:08.27 | Shirik | they're like the authority in sound cards |
| 01:08.28 | Amarande | mostly I had gotten used to it for the warm fuzzies after breaking a sound card due to a mishap with a mic plug |
| 01:08.36 | Neffi | Shirik: Define authority |
| 01:08.39 | Amarande | but now that I have a USB mic I don't have to worry about that either |
| 01:08.51 | Neffi | They're OK, but it's not like they're pro-audio grade |
| 01:08.56 | Neffi | ASUS has them topped in objective quality |
| 01:09.04 | Amarande | anyway, not only won't ALSA pick the same sound out device as default consistently |
| 01:09.10 | Tuller | hurray for my essence stx |
| 01:09.17 | Shirik | Creative has so many technologies to their name for sound |
| 01:09.21 | Amarande | but also, if you try to override it, it seems to fuck with the sound quality settings quite horrendously, especially in Wine |
| 01:09.25 | A-KO | camera charged |
| 01:09.28 | A-KO | 3DS charged |
| 01:09.29 | A-KO | phone charged |
| 01:09.33 | A-KO | Surface Pro charged |
| 01:09.36 | Neffi | Sure, they have a lot of technologies they can use as marketing hype |
| 01:09.37 | A-KO | I'm ready to roll :D |
| 01:09.37 | Amarande | I tried overriding it to always default to the discrete card and then launched D2 in Wine |
| 01:09.46 | Shirik | it's not marketing hype, it seriously advanced the industry |
| 01:09.46 | Neffi | Like that technology that makes shitty MP3s sound better than studio recordings |
| 01:09.49 | Neffi | Doesn't make them good |
| 01:09.52 | Amarande | ... and basically Diablo's spiel when you fight him sounded like a chipmunk and most of the other sounds were totally inaudible |
| 01:10.17 | Shirik | without Creative the latency between the sound card and the rest of your system would measure hundreds of milliseconds, rather than single-digit numbers |
| 01:10.28 | Neffi | It advanced the sound card industry, yes, because they definitely improved the sound card situation. If it werent for them, nobody would care about good computer sound. |
| 01:10.35 | Neffi | But that doesn't mean they did it as well as they could have |
| 01:10.36 | kd3 | how long ago was this? I haven't had issues with sound in wine in a while now. thankfully, pulse works well on my system |
| 01:10.43 | Amarande | somehow overriding the sound card default in alsa caused all my sound in wine to get up-frequencied by several octaves |
| 01:11.01 | Amarande | so something that was really bass (like D) sounded super high pitched and stuff that wasn't really bass to begin with went above human hearing |
| 01:11.07 | Neffi | Creative was the shit back in the day, but it's not something I'd pay into now |
| 01:11.21 | Amarande | kd3: late 2011ish I think |
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| 01:11.55 | Amarande | keep in mind it was also on a debian box, with their usual poky version progress when it comes to anything, so alsa may have been an ancient version even for that |
| 01:12.43 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah the sound card I was looking at lately if I get a discrete one anytime soon is something called xonar or some such |
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| 01:12.48 | Amarande | ASUS, I think? |
| 01:13.30 | Neffi | Yup |
| 01:13.41 | Neffi | How old is your motherboard that you're contemplating discrete audio? |
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| 01:14.18 | Neffi | Honestly nowadays I think discrete cards are a total waste unless you're trying to power 300+ ohm cans and can't afford a better solution |
| 01:14.36 | Neffi | Not that they're a bad solution for that. Some of them are quite good. |
| 01:14.50 | Neffi | But for typical headphones that don't need that juice, it's wasteful |
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| 01:17.01 | Neffi | IMO if you want some bitchin solution that's objectively much better than onboard audio, and a good discrete card is within your price range, go get an oDAC instead |
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| 01:17.48 | Neffi | oDAC + Objective2 amp will blow away a discrete card for stereo sound |
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| 01:22.42 | phelps | is there a way to know if WoW is the active window ? |
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| 01:22.53 | tem | ugh |
| 01:23.03 | tem | I'm going to have to go to work to turn that shit off, aren't I |
| 01:23.16 | tem | because the FUCKING VPN is always broken |
| 01:23.20 | phelps | IRC does this line thing when I defocus it so I know where chat started when I come back |
| 01:23.29 | phelps | I think that'd be cool in game chat too |
| 01:24.00 | tem | that's a neat idea |
| 01:24.13 | tem | I don't think there's a way for an addon to know if wow has the focus though |
| 01:24.27 | Neffi | I know the client is aware of when it's not focused, but I don't know if it exposes this info |
| 01:24.48 | phelps | can we read the framerates ? |
| 01:24.55 | phelps | I know that'd be a jank ass way |
| 01:25.13 | Neffi | You could, but only if the background FPS cap was set, and was lower than the foreground FPS cap, and it's very unreliable |
| 01:25.18 | Shirik | want to see something fun kd3? |
| 01:25.20 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3AEric_Corbett&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1&limit=6 |
| 01:25.24 | Shirik | in b4 arbcom |
| 01:26.36 | tem | phelps, if you're okay with a solution that only works for you, you could do something like that |
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| 01:27.45 | kd3 | there's already an an/i thread I hope? |
| 01:28.01 | Shirik | one of the block log entries in there talks about AN |
| 01:28.02 | Shirik | so I assume so |
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| 01:42.03 | Shirik | Brace yourselves! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100207557315668&set=a.793325986598.2196893.39704112&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_comment |
| 01:42.36 | Iriel | You just shared your gmail address with facebook! |
| 01:43.31 | Neffi | so pretty http://goo.gl/MVABmz |
| 01:43.38 | Shirik | I don't really care about privacyt |
| 01:43.45 | Shirik | my real name is on my wikipedia page, and in my /whois here |
| 01:43.55 | Iriel | was mostly teasing |
| 01:44.04 | Neffi | .. |
| 01:44.15 | Neffi | I was about to say, you have a Wikipedia page? But then I realized what you meant |
| 01:44.46 | Iriel | He probably does tho |
| 01:44.59 | Neffi | Maybe |
| 01:45.53 | Shirik | ~wiki User:Shirik |
| 01:45.57 | Shirik | that kind of wiki page |
| 01:46.33 | Neffi | Yeah, I just creeped you a little |
| 01:46.40 | Neffi | I was curious if you actually had a Wikipedia entry |
| 01:46.45 | Neffi | ;) |
| 01:48.07 | Amarande | I wonder if "janitor" would have been a better title for the rank, then |
| 01:48.15 | Amarande | although knowing mediawiki, that's probably a different, very specific rank |
| 01:48.26 | Amarande | since they seem to have about forty billion different ones |
| 01:48.49 | Shirik | janitor is actually the slang term for administrator |
| 01:48.58 | Amarande | Bureaucrat, Administrator, Sysop, Grand Moff ... |
| 01:49.16 | Shirik | ~wiki WP:JANITOR |
| 01:49.34 | Amarande | Darth is in there somewhere too, right? :) heh |
| 01:49.41 | kd3 | you can see the list for yourself if you want... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights |
| 01:50.41 | Amarande | yeah, Grand Moff and Darth were facetious :P |
| 01:51.18 | Amarande | the sheer number of groups MediaWiki offers though, kinda reminds me of the old Renegade BBS days where you had like, 255 separate levels of user you could hand out :) |
| 01:53.14 | bleeter | Shirik: wut "I became an on the English Wikipedia" |
| 01:53.21 | Shirik | blame purl |
| 01:53.28 | bleeter | ~blame purl |
| 01:53.28 | purl | ACTION blames purl (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 01:57.39 | Neffi | lol Canada |
| 01:57.47 | Shirik | so what do you do when sha512sum gives you a different result than everything else in the world |
| 01:58.11 | Neffi | I would hope your SHA512 and MD5 sums are different |
| 01:58.32 | Neffi | But see if sha512sum has any known bugs that could be causing it. Alternatively, question the integrity of the file |
| 01:58.41 | Shirik | the file is just a simple sentence |
| 01:58.42 | kd3 | hand the file to someone else and let them sha512sum it? |
| 01:58.45 | Neffi | And potential error on the source sum |
| 01:59.00 | kd3 | uh oh, is your committed identity hash busted? |
| 01:59.01 | Shirik | I've run the sentence on some online tools and they keep giving me a different result |
| 01:59.06 | Shirik | I'm about to bust it :) |
| 01:59.17 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:59.18 | Shirik | I see what you mean |
| 01:59.38 | Shirik | yeah so on my computer it says I'm right |
| 01:59.42 | Shirik | but on everything else it says I'm wrong :P |
| 01:59.51 | Shirik | I looked for newlines, etc. |
| 02:00.38 | Amarande | Shirik: it means you need to upgrade that ancient launch Pentium? :) |
| 02:00.43 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:00.48 | Shirik | the file ends with hex 000a |
| 02:02.55 | kd3 | that's a newline? |
| 02:05.37 | Iriel | Possibly a newline then a NUL |
| 02:05.42 | Iriel | Depending on what his program does |
| 02:07.20 | Shirik | oh good point it might be endian swapped, didn't think of that |
| 02:07.55 | Shirik | or the NUL doesn't even exist |
| 02:07.57 | Shirik | it was just a 0a |
| 02:08.03 | Shirik | but vim didn't show it :( |
| 02:10.21 | bleeter | get a real editor |
| 02:10.56 | Shirik | hey bleeter |
| 02:11.02 | Shirik | know what I did to my server? |
| 02:11.21 | bleeter | burninated it? |
| 02:11.56 | Amarande | ugh, the 'fun' of vi-type editors |
| 02:12.11 | Amarande | you know what's real fun? adding text to the end of an existing line in some of them |
| 02:12.32 | Amarande | I can find no other way to do it usually but to go to the character-before-last, insert, and then use x to delete the last character if necessary |
| 02:12.46 | Amarande | because if I go to the end of the line and try to insert it won't work :P |
| 02:13.03 | Amarande | also I've seen vi-style editors where the moment you return to the beginning of a line you get kicked out of edit mode and back into command mode |
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| 02:13.19 | Shirik | Amarande: Have you tried pushing 'a'? |
| 02:13.31 | Amarande | hm, don't think I have |
| 02:13.35 | Shirik | you should try it |
| 02:13.35 | Amarande | vi has never really been my forte |
| 02:13.53 | Amarande | but yeah, that's another irritating thing about vi right there ... you have to use different keys to do the same thing under slightly different circumstances, like that |
| 02:14.07 | Amarande | how did people stay sane with it? :| |
| 02:14.22 | Amarande | (and yet, I betcha there's someone who probably started this year's NaNo novel today with vi) |
| 02:14.24 | Shirik | my productivity with vim is far superior to any other editor |
| 02:14.56 | Shirik | bleeter: http://gyazo.com/e149f216f095e5f0dd2a371e6df5d8c0 |
| 02:15.04 | Shirik | in other words |
| 02:15.13 | Shirik | "ain't no emacs gettin' on my serverz" |
| 02:15.36 | Iriel | eyes shirik |
| 02:15.41 | Iriel | Them's fighting words |
| 02:15.59 | kd3|hate`net | a, the age-old holy war |
| 02:16.01 | kd3|hate`net | ah* |
| 02:16.11 | Iriel | I'm fine with peaceful coexistance |
| 02:16.46 | Amarande | oh, I don't mind having vi present on a computer, it's useful if you absolutely must have a quick and dirty but also useful text mode editor |
| 02:16.59 | Shirik | My visual studio is customized to act like vim |
| 02:17.01 | kd3 | if you want q-n-d, use nano? |
| 02:17.04 | Amarande | it's more ... well ... like say flying out of LaGuardia instead of JFK :P |
| 02:17.09 | Shirik | I also set up sublime the same way |
| 02:17.26 | Shirik | once you get used to manipulating text in that manner, it's really hard to go away from it |
| 02:17.34 | Shirik | I find myself in web browsers typing G and gg randomly |
| 02:17.36 | tem | I wish I could get sublime to be as powerful as VS + Resharper |
| 02:17.39 | Neffi | A good argument to never use it ;) |
| 02:17.41 | tem | then I could never use VS again |
| 02:17.46 | Amarande | LGA can be useful, but ... mostly only when airfare for the desired flight and dates at JFK has got too high to be reasonable :P |
| 02:18.21 | Amarande | actually the biggest problem with vi is the fact that there's so many editions |
| 02:18.24 | Shirik | LGA is really good for making your flights longer |
| 02:18.27 | Amarande | all of which look and act *mostly* the same |
| 02:18.34 | Shirik | I usually can find away to from PDX to LGA to my final destination |
| 02:18.40 | Shirik | even if it's SEattle |
| 02:18.52 | Amarande | but all have their little foibles that are different and if you aren't quite sure which vi-type editor is actually the one you're using, oy |
| 02:19.10 | Amarande | e.g. most of the vi style editors I use are smart enough to know that if you 'i' at the end of the line, you want to put more text there |
| 02:19.15 | Shirik | Look for an editor that says it's vim-like |
| 02:19.17 | Shirik | not vi-like |
| 02:19.19 | Shirik | and you'll be fine |
| 02:19.28 | Amarande | but I've used ones like on a shell account I rent that apparently require 'a' there, 'i' won't work at EOL |
| 02:19.31 | Shirik | vim fixed a lot of the awkwardness of vi and has remained pretty standard |
| 02:19.40 | Shirik | i should never put you at the end of the line |
| 02:19.50 | Shirik | if you hit i <esc> i <esc> i <esc> you should sequentially go backwards |
| 02:19.54 | Shirik | because i means insert before |
| 02:19.57 | Shirik | a means insert after |
| 02:22.02 | Shirik | anyway, http://www.viemu.com/a-why-vi-vim.html |
| 02:22.30 | Amarande | ah yes, it wasn't a matter of i now that I think of it |
| 02:22.40 | Amarande | it was that the version of vi on that shell won't let you cursor to the very end of the line to begin with |
| 02:22.44 | Amarande | it will only let you cursor to the last character |
| 02:23.03 | Amarande | whereas the vi-style editors I'm used to generally let you cursor past the last character then hit i in order to continue at the end of a line |
| 02:23.16 | Shirik | that behavior is straight-up wrong |
| 02:23.26 | Shirik | you should never be able to go past the end of al ine |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | that behavior can actually severely screw up motions |
| 02:23.48 | Amarande | Shirik: the default vi-style editor (i.e., the one you get when you type 'vi') on Debian at least lets you do it |
| 02:23.48 | tem | This conversation is too nerdy for me |
| 02:23.55 | tem | that's REALLY saying something |
| 02:24.03 | Shirik | to be fair, I'm a vim editor, not a vi user |
| 02:24.10 | Amarande | and on most linux distros I've tried it's the same it seems |
| 02:24.12 | Shirik | so I don't really know how vi works exactly |
| 02:24.17 | Amarande | FreeBSD on the other hand forces basic vi upon you by default |
| 02:24.19 | Shirik | but I know in vim it would be a sin to go past the end of the line |
| 02:24.25 | Shirik | vim did fix a bunch of strange motions in vi |
| 02:24.28 | Amarande | which is a little painful when you're used to Linux default vi type editors |
| 02:24.36 | Amarande | and come to think of it I think that shell host does use FreeBSD |
| 02:25.44 | Neffi | "4GB! Doubled my FPS from my old 2GB card!" "Tech level: High" |
| 02:25.49 | bleeter | not that I've checked, but are you sure that's not a /bin/vi vs /usr/bin/vi issue? |
| 02:25.50 | Neffi | Newegg reviews are priceless |
| 02:25.53 | Neffi | And sometimes worthless |
| 02:27.33 | Neffi | I was looking at a distro recently that got rid of the several different redundant directories, and kept symlinks for backward compatibility. What was it? |
| 02:27.38 | Neffi | And why haven't more distros done it? |
| 02:27.59 | kd3 | because inertia is hard to overcome |
| 02:28.12 | kd3 | hell, there was lots of bitching and moaning when fedora did it |
| 02:28.12 | Amarande | Neffi: and people giving one egg to something because their unit was DOA |
| 02:28.42 | Neffi | (Or obviously faulty. Or didn't fit/work and they didn't understand why, despite maxing out "tech level") |
| 02:28.51 | Amarande | and people giving bad reviews to an item and having to rereview it because it was drivers and not the hardware |
| 02:28.55 | Amarande | like happened to one asrock board |
| 02:29.09 | Neffi | I've seen reviews bashing ITX cases that clearly require an SFX PSU, for not supporting an ATX PSU they bought |
| 02:29.24 | Neffi | Or bashing an old Nehalem motherboard for not supporting their Ivy Bridge CPU |
| 02:29.33 | Neffi | Ranting about how Intel is greedy |
| 02:30.25 | Neffi | I think Newegg should move to a +/- system on the rating of their comments, and remove comments that receive too many negatives |
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| 02:33.35 | Amarande | ahh people who don't understand that stuff marches on |
| 02:33.41 | Amarande | I remember that being lampooned in the FAQ for DOOM at one point |
| 02:33.46 | Amarande | "Why won't DOOM run on my IBM XT?" |
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| 03:06.44 | karl_w_w | so what function is it causing taint? something to do with micro buttons? |
| 03:07.13 | Neffi | UpdateMicroButtons or some such other |
| 03:07.34 | Neffi | To fix the error, authors needed to replace an existing Blizz function, and the function that updates the micro buttons calls said function |
| 03:07.37 | Neffi | So taint |
| 03:08.20 | karl_w_w | seems like too much work |
| 03:08.42 | karl_w_w | i get the taint but nothing seems to be broken so whatevs! |
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| 03:17.02 | Torhal | critically whatevs karl_w_w. |
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| 03:22.57 | Iriel | Wildstar beta survey! |
| 03:24.22 | kd3|hate`net | heh. from the 'bf4 is broken' thread: 99 little bugs in the code. 99 little bugs. take one down, patch it around, 117 little bugs in the code. |
| 03:24.31 | kd3 | looks for another drink |
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| 03:43.03 | Shirik | declares victory |
| 03:43.12 | Shirik | kd3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shirik#Notification_of_Change_to_PGP_Identity |
| 03:43.15 | Shirik | why I needed to do it |
| 03:43.19 | Shirik | and was very confused |
| 03:43.51 | karl_w_w | so the bf4 single player is terrible? |
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| 03:56.46 | Torhal | kd3|hate`net: Damn it, now you have me wanting to drink. |
| 03:57.42 | Amarande | heh, sometimes it's surprising some of these modern FPS even provide a single player mode |
| 03:58.15 | Amarande | I think mostly it exists so multiplayer doesn't have to deal with as many noobs who don't know one end of the gun from the other :S |
| 03:58.38 | Amarande | since, seriously, like 99.9% of FPS players nowadays pretty much only play for the MP |
| 03:58.47 | Amarande | (unless it's something truly exceptional like a Half-Life or the like anyway) |
| 04:00.23 | Amarande | (That and DOOM II costs five bucks and gives you access to pretty much a lifetime supply of fun levels, if SP is your thing.) |
| 04:10.06 | Fisker | declares Shirik |
| 04:12.05 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Rmyvi9wew looking good xbone |
| 04:14.34 | Amarande | I think I'll still go with ps4 |
| 04:14.40 | Amarande | I like being able to watch netflix on my console |
| 04:14.53 | karl_w_w | I was being sarcastic |
| 04:15.40 | Amarande | gahhhhhhh monetised video :( |
| 04:16.11 | Amarande | can't watch it on firefox unless I want to install thrice-cursed Flash :P |
| 04:26.02 | Neffi | Why does the lighting look shitty and different on both? |
| 04:28.45 | Neffi | I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is an unnecessary artificial limitation |
| 04:29.05 | Neffi | "Hey, gimp out the XBone version of your game so our console looks better. We'll pay you" |
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| 04:57.22 | Neffi | Looking for an easy program (Windows) for taking a series of H.264/AAC files packed in MP4 container, with separate .srt files, and packing them into an MKV with subtitles integrated |
| 04:57.23 | Neffi | Any ideas? |
| 04:57.46 | Neffi | Ideally it should be able to handle multiple .srt files, and let me choose which should be the default subtitle |
| 04:58.03 | Neffi | I don't want hardcoded subtitles |
| 04:58.21 | Neffi | So I basically just need to move the streams to a new container |
| 04:59.12 | Neffi | I have a feeling nevcairiel would have a suggestion for me. ping |
| 05:00.47 | Primer | WTF AMR...I still have 2 gems to replace and I'm already at 41.76% haste and at 15.22% hit, and it's having me replace int/spi with haste/spi |
| 05:01.03 | Shirik | premiere pro |
| 05:01.28 | Neffi | Preferably something free =/ |
| 05:01.45 | Shirik | premiere pro is like the opposite of free |
| 05:01.55 | Neffi | I'm looking to do this in batches, because I've got multiple seasons of a few shows that are like this |
| 05:02.13 | Neffi | Yeah, that's probably about the least free solution you could find |
| 05:02.49 | Neffi | Integrating the .srt files is the important part. Otherwise I'd justkeep the mp4s. |
| 05:03.12 | Neffi | I've got shows like GoT where I want the Dothraki subtitles included. |
| 05:05.33 | Primer | right now my gear seems to be optimal. AMR is recommending replacing 2 reforges, removing 1, and replacing 2 gems...to end up exactly where I am right now |
| 05:05.36 | Fisker | I didn't get it at all Shirik |
| 05:08.34 | Primer | Neffi: ffmpeg |
| 05:09.20 | Neffi | I'll try that if I can't find anything else |
| 05:09.27 | Mr_Rabies | can you gimme realm/char name primer, so i can check and make sure it's not a settings issue in amr? :O |
| 05:09.35 | Neffi | I was hoping an easy GUI |
| 05:09.43 | Primer | http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/usa/frostmourne/ihavenoidea |
| 05:09.55 | Primer | unless I'm missing some stat that it's trying to equalize |
| 05:10.33 | Mr_Rabies | what build are you using? |
| 05:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | 5.4 default? |
| 05:10.40 | Primer | optimized |
| 05:10.43 | Neffi | Kinda surprised HandBreak doesn't support a stream copy |
| 05:10.53 | Neffi | Will only transcode |
| 05:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | mine has 5.4 default, 5.4 alternate, and pvp, Primer |
| 05:11.28 | Shirik | http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/2013/11/01/s-f-to-be-transformed-into-gotham-city-for-5-year-olds-make-a-wish/ |
| 05:11.30 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 05:11.52 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: you lost me. I confess, I'm not too familiar with AMR |
| 05:12.01 | Primer | I told it to armory me and clicked "optimized" |
| 05:12.04 | Neffi | Primer: Oh wow, ffmpeg's command line is stupidly easy. I was making this more complicated by wanting a GUI. I'm using that. |
| 05:12.06 | Primer | big green button |
| 05:12.08 | Mr_Rabies | okay, to the right of where it says "MAIN and OFF" |
| 05:12.11 | Mr_Rabies | there's a dropdown |
| 05:12.27 | Primer | Neffi: yes, ffmpeg is extremely flexible |
| 05:12.53 | Primer | ahh yes |
| 05:12.58 | Primer | 5.4 default build |
| 05:13.00 | Primer | sorry |
| 05:13.09 | Primer | my daughter is bugging me to install minecraft addons... |
| 05:13.21 | Primer | carrying on 2 conversations at a time is harder at my age... |
| 05:13.57 | Mr_Rabies | neffi, find a way to demux the mp4, then use mkvmerge/mkvmergegui to remux as mkv |
| 05:14.10 | Mr_Rabies | pop the subs in there, set a default, done |
| 05:14.49 | Mr_Rabies | okay primer, it shows the differences between optimized and the armory on the right side |
| 05:15.37 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/7Yyl0Ns.png |
| 05:16.17 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: so basically it's fine tuning the hit and haste |
| 05:16.21 | Shirik | Neffi: Actually ffmpeg is extremely powerful |
| 05:16.38 | Primer | ahh yes, and adding mastery |
| 05:16.41 | Shirik | one time, around when youtube was just starting to spin up, my guild was talking about using it to host videos on our own site |
| 05:16.41 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know how to spriest though |
| 05:16.54 | Shirik | that is, to take uploaded videos and turn them into something we could post |
| 05:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | it says you're at 100% so the difference should be negligible |
| 05:17.07 | Primer | it's .01% |
| 05:18.34 | Primer | Mr_Rabies: thanks...I think I would have figured this out for myself eventually, but I just didn't see it when I asked |
| 05:18.48 | Neffi | I never used ffmpeg. I always used MediaCoder, or mencoder on Linux. |
| 05:20.15 | Primer | I have a cygwin script I can invoke and it encodes any fraps file in a directory to h.264/mp3 and uploads it to youtube |
| 05:20.34 | Primer | I've amazed people by having videos on YT from the same raid we were still in |
| 05:20.55 | Mr_Rabies | you shouldn't have to actually touch the video, neffi |
| 05:21.09 | Mr_Rabies | just pull it out of the container and slap it into an mkv instead |
| 05:21.25 | Mr_Rabies | (and audio) |
| 05:21.43 | Mr_Rabies | (and chapters, if you have them/and/or mp4 even supports chapters |
| 05:21.56 | Neffi | I know as much |
| 05:22.02 | Neffi | Just going through ffmpeg's options now |
| 05:22.49 | Neffi | The original MP4 do indeed have chapters. I'm assuming those are in metadata, so I'll have to make sure they get copied. |
| 05:22.56 | Neffi | Not a big deal if I lose them, but I'd rather not |
| 05:24.16 | Neffi | I actually can't find the option for copying chapters over, or including subtitles |
| 05:25.40 | Neffi | Google results are returning a lot of ways to hardcode the subtitles. That's depressing. |
| 05:27.17 | Mr_Rabies | oh, you're hardcoding subs? |
| 05:27.26 | Mr_Rabies | or softsubbing? |
| 05:27.37 | Mr_Rabies | lemme play with an mp4 real quick and see what it takes to demux it |
| 05:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | remuxing to mkv is literally like, less than a second operation |
| 05:27.48 | Neffi | Not hardcoding them, god no |
| 05:27.53 | Mr_Rabies | okay phew |
| 05:29.14 | Neffi | I want the MKV to be pretty much exactly what the MP4 is: include all video and audio streams untouched, and copy over chapters, but also include subtitle streams from separate .srt files |
| 05:29.19 | Neffi | Potentially 2 .srt files |
| 05:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's easy, lemme play with an mp4 i've got on hand and see what it takes to do that side of it |
| 05:29.38 | Mr_Rabies | the second part is SUPER easy |
| 05:29.53 | Neffi | so far I've got: ffmpeg -i IN.mp4 -c copy OUT.mkv |
| 05:29.54 | Neffi | =/ |
| 05:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | you're in windows? |
| 05:32.08 | Neffi | yup |
| 05:32.23 | Neffi | my copy of ffmpeg seems to have all options enabled when compiled |
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| 05:37.04 | Mr_Rabies | oh cool you can use tsmuxer to demux mp4s |
| 05:37.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably recommend that, wonder how you can remux using it though hrmmm |
| 05:42.30 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't seem like you can remux as mkv with tsmuxer, but you can demux using it then remux as a mkv using mkvtoolnix :X |
| 05:42.48 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know ffmpeg well enough to know how it handles those containers |
| 05:43.14 | Neffi | Well this should actually be easy |
| 05:43.44 | Neffi | The source files only have 1 stream of video/audio. Not including the .srt files, it automatically copies the chapters as well. So I just need to find out how to include an .srt. |
| 05:43.50 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, seems like new versions of mkvtoolnix might be able to do the de/remuxing itself, lemme see here |
| 05:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 05:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | yep |
| 05:45.52 | Mr_Rabies | that's a one stop shop |
| 05:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | get mkvtoolnix and run mmg.exe, which is mkvmerge gui |
| 05:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | then drag in the files you want to add, like the SRTs |
| 05:46.31 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.fosshub.com/MKVToolNix.html |
| 05:47.36 | Mr_Rabies | took literally like 10 seconds to go from mp4->mkv with subs |
| 05:47.56 | Neffi | Thanks, I'll try it |
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| 05:50.08 | Arrow|tablet | Console diablo3 loot is crazy, I'm level 19 and have 3+1(infernalhelm) legendaries |
| 05:52.37 | nevcairiel | Neffi: Mr_Rabies has it right, mkvtoolnix is the tool of choice |
| 05:52.37 | Fisker | :O Arrow|tablet |
| 05:53.10 | nevcairiel | Arrow|tablet: if rumors can be believed, the new "loot 2.0" system thats coming for d3 should be similar on PC |
| 05:53.38 | Fisker | you mean if perfectly announced shit is to be true? |
| 05:54.00 | nevcairiel | you never know how stuff develops between announcement and actual launch |
| 05:54.35 | Fisker | no |
| 05:54.39 | Fisker | but they're still not rumors |
| 05:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | rumor has it fisker is actually a sentient albatross |
| 05:55.52 | Fisker | hey Mr_Rabies |
| 05:55.53 | Fisker | want a ban? |
| 05:56.36 | Mr_Rabies | u beta shut ya gob b4 i give u one what for, m8 |
| 05:58.24 | Neffi | mkvtoolnix worked wonders. Thanks |
| 05:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | my old version wouldn't touch mp4s |
| 05:59.21 | Mr_Rabies | if i knew the new version did i'd have recommended that at the start |
| 05:59.27 | Arrow|tablet | Fisker: my case shipped a few hours ago, don't know when it will arrive though |
| 05:59.39 | Fisker | : |
| 05:59.40 | Fisker | .o |
| 05:59.41 | Fisker | :0o |
| 05:59.44 | Fisker | DAMNIT |
| 05:59.44 | Fisker | fuck it |
| 05:59.45 | Fisker | bye |
| 06:00.15 | Cairenn | ? |
| 06:01.20 | Torhal | Cairenn: Tourettes |
| 06:01.26 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:02.41 | Cairenn | You okay Fisker? |
| 06:02.54 | Fisker | I can't type |
| 06:03.06 | Cairenn | I have that happen all too often. |
| 06:04.01 | Fisker | :P |
| 06:04.56 | nebula169 | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86276370/quassel.png is mine |
| 06:05.29 | nebula169 | whoops |
| 06:05.53 | Torhal | IRC much, nebula169? :D |
| 06:06.16 | nebula169 | so hard ;; |
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| 06:09.52 | Arrow|tablet | Its white bg.... |
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| 07:12.59 | nebula169 | yea yea, lost my solarized looking theme and never redid it |
| 07:14.01 | nevcairiel | i lost my theme so many times, now i finally managed to put it onto google drive :p |
| 07:18.09 | phelps | mreh |
| 07:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | i use mirc, deal with it B) |
| 07:30.20 | A-KO | aaaaaaaand up for blizzcon |
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| 08:11.36 | mikma | http://youtu.be/pK2zYHWDZKo shut up and take my money! |
| 08:11.58 | Fisker | yes |
| 08:12.59 | airtonix | ok |
| 08:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | the days of future past stuff is always so hamfisted and over complicated in every version that has ever adapted it from what i've seen, hopefully this will be better |
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| 08:20.56 | airtonix | uses mirc, opinion isn't relevant |
| 08:21.23 | Neffi | +1 for Peter Dinklage |
| 08:21.56 | Neffi | Such an awesome actor. I think he's the best performance in GoT. |
| 08:23.29 | Mr_Rabies | he's good casting for trask |
| 08:24.33 | Neffi | I wouldn't know |
| 08:24.46 | Neffi | But I always love to see a talented actor do his thing |
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| 08:26.53 | Mr_Rabies | he doesn't really look like trask in the comics but i think he can pull off a fairly deep character like him quite well |
| 08:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad he's been able to break out of the typecasting many actors with dwarfism seem to face, too |
| 08:30.09 | Mr_Rabies | trask is just a person of average build in the comics, and i'm glad they didn't let that be a sticking point and got dinklage instead of casting purely based on appearance |
| 08:30.51 | Semlar | i would cast a midget in every role if possible |
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| 08:34.47 | Mr_Rabies | are you danny elfman and/or george lucas circa 1983? |
| 08:41.22 | Neffi | I think he's both |
| 08:43.43 | Semlar | could be |
| 08:49.35 | airtonix | is for sure |
| 08:59.23 | bleeter | new steam download queue is new and not before time, either |
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| 09:07.34 | airtonix | it would be new if it was new |
| 09:07.55 | Semlar | surely not |
| 09:08.03 | airtonix | only sometimes |
| 09:17.16 | zenzelezz | ... that moment when you've been in and out of the control menu five times to try to find out why your soldier is stuck in "combat pace"... only to realize that he's not; you just accidentally clicked the right mouse button instead of holding it, and you're in aim-down-sights mode |
| 09:20.22 | airtonix | happens all the time brah |
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| 09:39.08 | phelps | woo, decent domain I'd say |
| 09:39.09 | phelps | https://phelps.io/ |
| 09:39.56 | mikma | het me out of here! |
| 09:39.59 | mikma | get* |
| 09:40.26 | Neffi | phelps: I don't get it |
| 09:40.39 | phelps | THERE'S NOTHING TO GET |
| 09:40.40 | phelps | CUNT |
| 09:40.53 | airtonix | wat? |
| 09:41.00 | Cairenn | ... |
| 09:41.05 | phelps | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19145606/Screenshots/u7fd.png |
| 09:41.11 | Cairenn | phelps: don't use that word |
| 09:41.19 | phelps | a way... way... too long running joke |
| 09:42.05 | airtonix | oh i get it now, you use macosx |
| 09:42.10 | airtonix | smirks |
| 09:42.53 | phelps | Cairenn: why |
| 09:42.59 | mikma | because vagina |
| 09:43.01 | phelps | does it offend you |
| 09:43.38 | Cairenn | As a matter of fact, yes it does offend me. |
| 09:43.45 | mikma | the question is, does kickban offend you? :P |
| 09:43.58 | phelps | nope, wouldn't be the first time |
| 09:44.18 | mikma | but it would be the last time here |
| 09:44.44 | phelps | if you think so |
| 09:44.46 | phelps | <_< |
| 10:07.48 | Fisker | that feel when you're weeks behind on tv shows and not sure what episodes you're at |
| 10:08.07 | airtonix | awesome? |
| 10:08.20 | Fisker | nope |
| 10:08.26 | airtonix | yes |
| 10:08.50 | Fisker | no |
| 10:08.56 | airtonix | yes |
| 10:09.52 | Fisker | I will not participate in this |
| 10:09.56 | airtonix | no |
| 10:59.52 | bleeter | Fisker: that is about the only time the excessive dribble that passes as plot descriptions on Wikipedia may be able to assist |
| 11:00.30 | Fisker | ? |
| 11:00.39 | bleeter | 21:09 < Fisker> that feel when you're weeks behind on tv shows and not sure what episodes you're at |
| 11:04.04 | Fisker | ah |
| 11:04.05 | Fisker | yes |
| 11:04.10 | Fisker | Or catching up |
| 11:22.52 | Sintacks | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout | 4,733 tributes to Monty Python |
| 11:24.07 | Fisker | hey Sintacks |
| 11:27.27 | Sintacks | hi Fisker |
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| 11:56.56 | karl_w_w | Fisker, I can't finish redcap roundup |
| 11:57.05 | Fisker | ok |
| 12:00.24 | karl_w_w | not really |
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| 12:04.35 | A-KO | hello from 28,000 feet! En route to Los Angeles |
| 12:05.12 | karl_w_w | woo yeah I found the last one |
| 12:05.44 | Sintacks | Who was it that I shared my Noodle Cart excel thing with ... |
| 12:05.50 | Sintacks | cuz i've updated and improved it. |
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| 12:26.46 | airtonix | excel :< |
| 12:27.14 | airtonix | wasn't that a crappy hyuandi ? |
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| 12:40.48 | bleeter | hugs airtonix |
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| 13:37.38 | airtonix | screencasting with gnome-shell 3.8 is pretty good :) |
| 13:40.22 | bluspacecow | 3 |
| 13:40.32 | bluspacecow | y |
| 13:40.33 | bluspacecow | 502 |
| 13:40.41 | airtonix | ok |
| 13:40.55 | bluspacecow | killfiskerwithabluntkitchenknife (y/n) |
| 13:41.02 | bluspacecow | N |
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| 13:45.29 | A-KO | sleepy |
| 13:45.35 | A-KO | might try to pass out on the plane |
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| 13:52.24 | airtonix | bluspacecow: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZOrUgt4nys |
| 13:52.57 | bluspacecow | THE PLANE BOSS THE PLANE |
| 13:53.02 | airtonix | >< |
| 13:53.54 | bluspacecow | im can be an alchoholic drug addict criminially depressed womaniser gnome too |
| 13:59.02 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/1pomk4/system_integrators_and_the_elusive_packet_loss/ |
| 13:59.10 | bluspacecow | ONE MILLION BYTE PACKET |
| 13:59.11 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 14:00.09 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 14:00.13 | bluspacecow | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees |
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| 14:02.00 | bluspacecow | ello stranger |
| 14:02.11 | bluspacecow | #cograil is on v4 , 1.7.2 base |
| 14:02.23 | Xinhuan | hello |
| 14:02.32 | Fisker | I'm no stranger bluspacecow |
| 14:02.41 | bleeter | you're just strange |
| 14:02.42 | Fisker | You know the rules and so do I |
| 14:02.43 | Xinhuan | in more immediate news, Minecon 2013 opening ceremony is about to start :P |
| 14:02.46 | Fisker | no bleeter :( |
| 14:02.49 | Fisker | I'm not strange |
| 14:02.58 | Xinhuan | pokes bluspacecow in the ribs |
| 14:03.07 | bluspacecow | hi hi |
| 14:03.11 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 14:03.15 | bluspacecow | well nvm Xinny |
| 14:03.16 | Xinhuan | are u watching? |
| 14:03.22 | bluspacecow | server got wiped for 1.7 on Friday |
| 14:03.38 | Xinhuan | likely won't have time to play hehe |
| 14:04.02 | bluspacecow | *writes down Xinhuan not updating his addons as is at Minecraft 2013 * |
| 14:04.09 | bluspacecow | Ooooooooooo any good news ? |
| 14:04.11 | Xinhuan | juggling between new game releases, hearthstone, hex, and you add minecraft :( |
| 14:04.20 | Fisker | minecraft 2013 bluspacecow? |
| 14:04.35 | bleeter | hehe |
| 14:04.36 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:04.44 | Xinhuan | believe me, i still receive an email every comment posted on my addons |
| 14:04.45 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 14:04.47 | bluspacecow | the feels xinny the feels |
| 14:06.26 | Xinhuan | i kinda like Hex, but right now it's just too slow/buggy for me heh |
| 14:06.57 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 14:06.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBG3JwVIob4 |
| 14:07.06 | bluspacecow | ITS ABOUT TO FLY GENTLEMAN |
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| 14:20.33 | Xinhuan | http://www.twitch.tv/mojang |
| 14:20.35 | Xinhuan | ;) |
| 14:20.49 | Xinhuan | starting |
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| 14:46.42 | bluspacecow | BRB |
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| 14:52.55 | zenzelezz | lying in wait, scouting; timing out patrol timings, calling in mortars with 40 second flight time. Count the seconds, watch the enemy get dead center in your requested spot... and the mortar lands 20 meters away :-| That'll teach me to just call one shell |
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| 15:40.39 | airtonix | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE-P4pmp3vk |
| 15:40.43 | airtonix | hurhur |
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| 15:52.53 | karl_w_w | hurs airtonix |
| 15:54.28 | airtonix | bluspacecow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK-1AWCdqYM |
| 15:54.39 | airtonix | >< |
| 15:55.59 | bluspacecow | is that from the inside or ouside the base ? |
| 15:58.07 | airtonix | inside |
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| 15:58.45 | airtonix | theres still that little gap in the rising plinth i need to deal with |
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| 16:54.39 | jleclanche | tekkub: ping |
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| 17:22.32 | Fisker | tackles in Tuller's general direction |
| 17:22.51 | Tuller | waffles |
| 17:24.29 | Fisker | waffles?! |
| 17:24.49 | Fisker | You can't waffle yourself out of this |
| 17:34.02 | zenzelezz | that would be a waffle situation to find yourself in |
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| 18:08.24 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 18:08.24 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of zenzelezz's pants |
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| 18:27.36 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/ZrurOn0 - the Internet, where people get together for some friendly games |
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| 18:58.08 | foxlit | wow, they really nerfed chess |
| 18:58.36 | karl_w_w | queen was OP |
| 18:58.45 | Fisker | King needed a buff |
| 18:59.12 | karl_w_w | thats why they gave freddie gay cancer |
| 18:59.22 | foxlit | the cooldown on cheating is now so high it happens like twice in the entire game |
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| 19:21.58 | Shirik | ow |
| 19:23.21 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/83fe3c80f50224416411dd3710db6d3b Read from bottom up |
| 19:23.26 | Shirik | I almost fell out of my chair |
| 19:25.02 | kd3|hate`net | how every edit war ever plays out |
| 19:26.05 | Shirik | I was very amused by the revert with comment saying "do not revert" |
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| 19:33.18 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:33.22 | A-KO | Woot |
| 19:33.29 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:33.44 | Fisker | sucks :( |
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| 19:57.23 | fewyn | people who ddos charity event websites are a bunch of scumbags |
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| 20:01.36 | mikma | shirik: i don't get it |
| 20:17.11 | Ackis | anyone know a way to play ipad games on a PC? |
| 20:17.19 | foxlit | what's an override action bar, and where can I get one? |
| 20:17.32 | Fisker | emulation Ackis |
| 20:17.41 | Ackis | yeah how Fisker |
| 20:17.56 | Fisker | that is how |
| 20:18.20 | Fisker | running them natively wouldn't work |
| 20:19.02 | Ackis | I hate you |
| 20:22.18 | Ackis | hey Fisker do you know of a program on the PC I can download to play iOS stuff? :P |
| 20:22.33 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:22.57 | Fisker | apple has an emulator in their dev stuff I believe |
| 20:23.03 | Fisker | aka no |
| 20:23.11 | Iriel | It doesn't hook up to the app store tho |
| 20:23.36 | Fisker | he can make his own game too |
| 20:23.39 | Ackis | could I technically download the app via iTunes and transfer it over? |
| 20:23.59 | Iriel | I dont know. |
| 20:24.06 | Iriel | But i also think apple's dev stuff only runs on OSX |
| 20:25.54 | Fisker | yeah |
| 20:26.02 | Fisker | I.e. a PC |
| 20:26.05 | Fisker | :) |
| 20:27.47 | Torhal | Ackis: You're supposed to be coding, you game-playing bastard. |
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| 20:34.28 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/I7mZjxx.jpg |
| 20:37.29 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/pcZ07F2.jpg |
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| 20:51.27 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AObsidian_Soul&diff=578944291&oldid=578780764 |
| 20:51.32 | Shirik | don't tell about a hammer ban |
| 20:52.29 | Fisker | stop Shirik |
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| 21:08.33 | Torhal | 3D prints VIad. |
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| 21:42.14 | bleeter | for fun and games, try to log in to https://battle.net with only TLSv1.2 or 1.1 enabled |
| 21:42.41 | bleeter | bonus points for FIPS 140-2 256 bit cxiphers only |
| 21:42.52 | Semlar | words |
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| 21:47.28 | bleeter | wowinterface.com breaks too, so I guess no biggie really... |
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| 22:02.45 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, why are you trying it that way? |
| 22:03.09 | kd3 | because nobody should be using rc4 any more? |
| 22:04.17 | zenzelezz | I must be confusing TLS and SSL versions then |
| 22:08.26 | bleeter | because TLSv1.0 is a pile of shit that was superceded iirc mid last decade |
| 22:08.48 | bleeter | RC4 disabling is a no brainer |
| 22:09.45 | bleeter | kd3: quite reasonably arguably, 128bit cipher foo should probably get dropped on the floor as well |
| 22:10.13 | bleeter | (as a very vague general rule of thumb) |
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| 23:12.13 | Neffi | jaja http://imgur.com/gallery/F615ZzS |
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| 23:35.25 | Neffi | More rips should come with cue+log, especially lossless |
| 23:35.47 | Neffi | I gotta search for my damn hard-copy just to make sure it's not upconverted mp3 =( |
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| 23:52.30 | XoXFAby | is this the right place to ask a quick question I'm having trying to make an addon? |
| 23:52.55 | Semlar | could be.. |
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| 23:53.53 | Semlar | sometimes we just berate people |
| 23:53.59 | XoXFAby | lol |
| 23:55.02 | XoXFAby | well, in the right click menu on a player when you click "whisper" or when you click on a name in the chat it will give focus to the text entry and set it to /whisper that player, is there a way I can call that from my addon? |
| 23:55.36 | Semlar | you want the edit box to go into whisper mode? |
| 23:56.12 | XoXFAby | Pretty much |
| 23:56.38 | Semlar | it can definitely be done i just don't know what the function is that's being called by the dropdown menu |
| 23:57.05 | XoXFAby | Yeah I couldn't find anything on it so I thought I'd ask here |
| 23:57.16 | Semlar | it would be in framexml somewhere |
| 23:57.48 | Semlar | possibly targetframe.lua |
| 23:58.42 | Neffi | XoXFAby: I'll try and find the API for you |
| 23:58.52 | Neffi | ~framexml |
| 23:58.53 | purl | hmm... framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 23:59.53 | Semlar | unitpopup.lua? |
