| 00:03.52 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: Here we are. CM should support both zRAM and Kernel Samepage Merging |
| 00:04.08 | Neffi | Should help squeeze a bit more out of that 384 MB of RAM |
| 00:07.32 | Arrowmaster | ok i found them and the zRAM doesnt say what its set at so ill put it at 18% and reboot |
| 00:08.33 | Neffi | I don't know how efficient it is on the CPU |
| 00:08.40 | Neffi | But I would think it ought to help |
| 00:09.12 | Neffi | KSM should help more, with de-duplicating copies of the Dalvik VM and all. But I really don't know the architecture of Android, so I dont know how much |
| 00:13.30 | Arrowmaster | ohh ir blaster in 4.4, but nothing about it in n5 |
| 00:14.26 | Neffi | heh |
| 00:14.32 | Neffi | that's kinda cool |
| 00:14.55 | Neffi | Also Gentoo claims their zRAM can achieve up to 3:1 compression. I'm not sure if Android uses the vanilla zRAM module or not. |
| 00:15.14 | Neffi | Sorry, an "average of" 3:1 compression. Even better. |
| 00:16.02 | Neffi | But it doesn't transparently compress all RAM. It creates a swapfile in the RAM, which is compressed and used as swap. So only some of the RAM is being compressed. |
| 00:31.05 | Arrowmaster | spigen seems to have the market cornered on nexus5 cases for now |
| 00:32.31 | TC-Work | My fav case so far is still otterbox |
| 00:33.23 | Arrowmaster | i probably would have gotten one of those if they made them for the nexus S |
| 00:35.48 | Arrowmaster | looking at http://amzn.com/B00FJJ38HY and http://amzn.com/B00EPLTFIS right now |
| 00:38.28 | Neffi | They look the same to me |
| 00:38.38 | TC-Work | That's about what I was going to say |
| 00:39.43 | kd3 | wow. I guess that's one way to defeat a security system... http://i.imgur.com/FGNY4AJ.jpg |
| 00:40.07 | bleeter | kd3: you been trying to fix your building's hatenet again? |
| 00:40.12 | ccox | hinges on the outside == never secure |
| 00:40.20 | Neffi | Dammit Toph |
| 00:40.55 | Neffi | "Toph Beifong was an earthbending master, one of the most powerful of her time, and the discoverer of metalbending" |
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| 00:42.00 | Amarande | Yay update for questguru. (And yeah, Shame on you Blizzard is right :D) |
| 00:43.58 | Amarande | (Hey, not my words. QG's author actually did write that in the changelog :) |
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| 01:01.42 | Shirik | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/127.0.0.1 |
| 01:01.44 | Shirik | neat |
| 01:01.56 | TC-Work | Shirik: http://gizmodo.com/you-can-grab-250-off-a-new-macbook-pro-at-best-buy-thi-1456448265 |
| 01:02.01 | TC-Work | You were thinking of that right? |
| 01:02.10 | Shirik | ! |
| 01:02.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:02.55 | TC-Work | It's not the 256, I don't think, but $250 is $250 |
| 01:03.12 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:03.33 | tlund | Shirik: even more neat, check this edit from localhost :) |
| 01:03.38 | tlund | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minamata_disease&diff=prev&oldid=579683989 |
| 01:07.35 | Neffi | hahaha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZD3wcVA2k |
| 01:08.16 | Shirik | !!! |
| 01:08.24 | Shirik | Reading news article, see quote from person I know |
| 01:08.28 | Shirik | one of my professors |
| 01:08.59 | Neffi | ooh |
| 01:10.10 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so why isnt localhost banned from submitting anonymously? |
| 01:10.32 | Shirik | probably because it should never be able to be accessed in the first place |
| 01:11.45 | kd3 | do edits from a bot running on the labs cluster come back as localhost? |
| 01:11.46 | kd3 | boggles |
| 01:12.58 | kd3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/127.0.0.1&offset=&limit=500&target=127.0.0.1 |
| 01:13.23 | kd3 | can't be... an ip's gotta be getting stripped somewhere along the way |
| 01:13.45 | kd3 | last edits before the past ~18 hours were in 2004 |
| 01:14.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah a load balancer is fucked |
| 01:14.44 | Arrowmaster | i would bet |
| 01:15.00 | Arrowmaster | and its not forwarding the original ip in the headers properly |
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| 01:17.41 | Shirik | kd3: It's a bug |
| 01:17.48 | Shirik | It has to do with the X-Forwarded-For header |
| 01:17.54 | Shirik | something's screwed up in the way it's being processed |
| 01:17.56 | kd3 | mmh |
| 01:18.25 | Shirik | apparently IPv6 and X-Forwarded-For aren't playing nice |
| 01:30.08 | A-KO | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2902864 |
| 01:33.59 | bleeter | win |
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| 01:42.50 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ha i called it |
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| 02:20.20 | kd3 | I think this is the best explanation for any kind of (digital) wireless tech I've ever seen: "They basically scream 0's and 1's at each other in frequencies you can't hear, see or smell." |
| 02:27.25 | Neffi | This is why you shouldn't outsource your programming. http://i.imgur.com/OXWVN.jpg <- just look at that terrible C code |
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| 02:29.34 | pompy | Wow, King ripped off Peggle? http://www.edge-online.com/features/from-the-maker-of-candy-crush-saga-comes-kings-spin-on-free-to-play-peggle-papa-pear-saga/ |
| 02:29.53 | pompy | but I guess you can say Candy Crush Saga is a ripoff of Bejeweled? lol |
| 02:34.04 | Neffi | Wait, you mean casual micro-transaction games DON'T have artistic integrity? |
| 02:49.58 | Amarande | heh, pretty much every King game is based on some other game's mechanics |
| 02:50.07 | Amarande | Bubble Witch Saga is a ripoff of Snood and Phlinx, basically |
| 02:50.44 | Amarande | with additional insane difficulty added, natch :P |
| 02:51.13 | Amarande | it's like ... heroic mode ... nah, WoW doesn't have a difficulty to describe Bubble Witch vs. Snood and Phlinx :P |
| 02:51.23 | Amarande | more like SW:TOR nightmare mode heh |
| 02:52.19 | Amarande | I'm still stuck on level 24 on BWS, I'm pretty sure they mean for you to buy boosters to pass this damned thing so I gave up on it |
| 03:02.08 | pompy | http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/01/ubisoft-kills-online-pass-system-effective-immediately |
| 03:02.15 | pompy | and i just redeemed mine last night. |
| 03:02.28 | kd3 | they said something about contacting customer support |
| 03:02.43 | kd3 | I doubt ubi's going to go "here, have your money back", but it's maybe worth a shot |
| 03:02.50 | pompy | for a refund? well i didnt buy it |
| 03:02.55 | pompy | it came with the ac4 copy |
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| 03:03.49 | pompy | i dont see why someone would be buying them right now unless they got a preowned copy.. and the game is only 2 days old. |
| 03:03.53 | pompy | unless im missing something |
| 03:04.30 | Amarande | kd3: heh yeah this is one time where you probably wish it was EA |
| 03:04.49 | Amarande | like ... EA actually compensated people who had paid for Rise of the Hutt Cartel with complimentary Cartel Coins when it went free :) |
| 03:05.28 | Amarande | if you were a subscriber, it basically really did become free (since the amount of CCs you got was equivalent to the package that cost $9.99, which is what RotHC cost for subs) |
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| 03:06.04 | Amarande | hm. wonder if this one is true ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/29/dont_brew_that_cuppa_your_kettle_could_be_a_spambot/ |
| 03:06.37 | Amarande | there's rumour that any of those cheap made-in-china appliances you might have around the house could actually contain a tiny computer that looks for open wifi and then participates in spam-related activity without your knowledge |
| 03:12.03 | Iriel | The story makes no sense |
| 03:12.18 | Semlar | this is why i only buy russian appliances |
| 03:14.08 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: You should point the overviewer link to default to overviewer 4 |
| 03:14.11 | Amarande | it seems to have sparked quite a lot of head-scratching as to whether that is actually possible, on the other hand |
| 03:14.18 | Thunder_Child | Por Favor |
| 03:14.27 | Amarande | not to mention, the Cold War taught us that bugs could be hidden in pretty much anything and everything heh |
| 03:14.28 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Sure, but you can bookmark the overviewer 8-) |
| 03:14.36 | Semlar | course it's possible |
| 03:14.52 | Thunder_Child | Meh, I prefer to use my brain |
| 03:14.57 | Amarande | can you imagine though the particular advantage of bugging coffee pots? |
| 03:15.15 | Semlar | i could easily imagine it being used for corporate espionage in an office building |
| 03:15.16 | Amarande | especially given how it's a taken for granted appliance in basically every enterprise of any size, that no one really thinks much at all about as long as the coffee is good? |
| 03:15.27 | Semlar | it's a great conspiracy theory anyway |
| 03:15.55 | Amarande | of course, if you don't secure your enterprise wifi, you're an idiot anyway, but ... :S |
| 03:16.42 | Semlar | it's theoretically possible that it could hijack a nearby computer |
| 03:17.25 | Amarande | yeah, the spambot idea seems like they're (theorised to be, anyway) intending that a lot of the appliances will be used in dense urban areas |
| 03:17.33 | Amarande | where even if *you* secure your wifi, your neighbours probably don't |
| 03:18.23 | xyphoid | the reason it's silly is that it takes one curious person to take apart their coffee pot and you have proof of what's happening |
| 03:18.49 | kd3 | not that people are going to be curious enough to take apart their coffee makers when they're still jonesing for the first hit of the day |
| 03:20.01 | Amarande | xyphoid: assuming they know a radio unit anyway, just about everything these days has microcontrollers in it otoh so the computer chip itself would be nothing suspicious |
| 03:20.25 | Amarande | and I'm actually not sure whether or not the radio unit even needs to be separate, I'm not quite up to date when it comes to knowing how advanced SoC's are nowadays |
| 03:21.31 | Amarande | I suppose you *would* notice if you were the owner of the wifi and kept seeing a strange device connect to it |
| 03:21.48 | Amarande | but chances are if you're that savvy your wifi is secured and coffeepot is mooching off the neighbour's anyhow |
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| 03:28.27 | airtonix | there's an easy way to deal with this |
| 03:28.37 | kd3|hate`net | blow up the moon? |
| 03:28.45 | airtonix | warp all your appliances in faraday cages |
| 03:28.49 | airtonix | wrap |
| 03:28.55 | Amarande | airtonix: make use of the fact that your kitchen contains an ample supply of tinfoil already? heh |
| 03:29.27 | Amarande | actually, does aluminium foil even make a proper faraday cage, anyway come to think of it |
| 03:29.42 | airtonix | i wonder if there is a market for fold up travellers pocket faraday cages |
| 03:29.45 | Amarande | you might need something heavier and denser, like gold foil *shrug* |
| 03:33.09 | Neffi | I would think aluminum foil would work against wifi signals |
| 03:33.14 | Neffi | It's easy to test anyway |
| 03:33.19 | Neffi | Go wrap up your router |
| 03:33.46 | airtonix | it's easier to just ignore the problem and pretend there isn't one. |
| 03:33.55 | airtonix | seems to work for christians |
| 03:34.21 | kd3 | can we blow up the moon instead? |
| 03:35.08 | Amarande | Or just secure your wifi, since apparently none of these things work unless you run your wifi open :) |
| 03:35.17 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/patent-war-goes-nuclear-microsoft-apple-owned-rockstar-sues-google/ |
| 03:35.28 | airtonix | no.. no. nope. there's not problem. |
| 03:35.47 | Neffi | When I take over the world, patents will be abolished and anyone who formerly used them offensively will be jailed |
| 03:38.11 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: web pages updated somewhat |
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| 03:40.18 | Fisker | deymad Neffi |
| 03:41.27 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.50 | alestane | I remember a case that was getting publicized in 2000 or thereabouts where a fellow basically claimed his business had patented B2B data telecommunications back in the 80s or something. |
| 03:45.24 | alestane | I think the judge basically told him, "Well, where have you been for the last ten years then?" |
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| 05:25.52 | Neffi | Anyone here know the logic MPC-HC uses for "Auto Fit" and "Auto Fit (Larger Only)"? |
| 05:25.59 | Neffi | Google doesn't return any useful results |
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| 05:34.03 | Semlar | is it possible to write a macro that stores the name of my focus, does its macro business and then sets my focus back to that name, assuming it's a valid unit id |
| 05:39.46 | Neffi | Possibly. Not in the way you say, but I might be able to come up with something |
| 05:39.53 | Neffi | What exactly are you looking for? |
| 05:40.33 | Neffi | The only way you can do things like this is by playing with /targetlasttarget |
| 05:40.36 | Semlar | i wrote a macro that has to wipe out my previous focus target to work, but i want to get my old focus back |
| 05:40.52 | Neffi | Find some clever way to swap focus/target in such a way that you can restore everything via a swap + /targetlasttarget |
| 05:41.23 | Semlar | i don't think i can do that since the macro retargets multiple times |
| 05:41.31 | Neffi | Probably not |
| 05:41.50 | Neffi | The only "clever" macro I've ever made was a target+focus swap |
| 05:42.04 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.07 | Semlar | i can't make an addon rewrite the macro with the name of my old focus? |
| 05:42.15 | Neffi | Not in combat |
| 05:42.24 | Semlar | not even in response to a hardware event? |
| 05:42.43 | Neffi | My knowledge of the secure system is limited |
| 05:42.53 | Neffi | But you may be able to implement some sort of arbitrary sequence |
| 05:42.55 | Shirik | I don't know if I already linked this here, so sorry if this is a double post |
| 05:43.00 | Neffi | Like MacroSequence used to do |
| 05:43.36 | Neffi | But even in response to a hardware event, it wouldn't be able to store a NAME and then re-focus that name |
| 05:43.38 | Neffi | AFAIK |
| 05:43.48 | Shirik | but anyone interested in both game development and unmanned aircraft may be interested in checking this out https://jobs-insitu.icims.com/jobs/2201/software-engineer-3/job |
| 05:45.23 | Semlar | i would settle for setting it out of combat |
| 05:45.49 | Neffi | Then find out the API for altering a macro. Shouldn't be hard |
| 05:46.01 | Neffi | Something I've never done though |
| 05:48.14 | Fisker | Shirik is the plot twist that it's not a game? |
| 05:48.54 | Shirik | for a lot of reasons, I can't talk about the position at all. I can only link to it. |
| 05:50.03 | Fisker | It's not a discussion, but a joke |
| 05:50.10 | Fisker | :) |
| 05:53.01 | Neffi | wow |
| 05:53.31 | Neffi | CPU decoder is doing a faster job than the GPU's decoding block, and it's barely using 1/3rd of one core |
| 05:53.53 | Neffi | Intel QuickSync vs LAV's software decode |
| 05:53.56 | Neffi | GJ LAV |
| 05:59.50 | nevcairiel | on a fast CPU that's easy. :) |
| 06:00.18 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 06:00.36 | Fisker | how is your n5 order? |
| 06:00.44 | Neffi | It's a Sandy Bridge core, but it's also a mobile chip, and not a particularly high end one |
| 06:00.44 | Fisker | Heard they started shipping in the US already |
| 06:00.52 | nevcairiel | although also depends on video complexity. GPU has a pretty consistent speed while CPU scales with complexity more |
| 06:01.17 | Neffi | I'll have to throw something at it that's not animated. |
| 06:01.22 | Fisker | if they get our orders out by today maybe we'll have them on monday |
| 06:01.25 | Neffi | Although this is pretty high bitrate |
| 06:01.27 | nevcairiel | says leaves on the 8th no other news |
| 06:01.57 | nevcairiel | I was 20 minutes or so too late :p |
| 06:02.28 | Fisker | :P |
| 06:02.35 | Fisker | is your order confirmed or pending btw? |
| 06:03.34 | nevcairiel | I'll check at work. need to walk from the train now |
| 06:04.40 | Fisker | i gotta get ready for work too |
| 06:10.45 | nevcairiel | says pending |
| 06:11.22 | nevcairiel | may switch over today once credit card charges confirm, i guess |
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| 06:17.33 | Semlar | any idea why /cleartarget /targetlasttarget /targetfriend doesn't cycle through targets |
| 06:17.41 | Semlar | it just stops at the first one |
| 06:18.10 | Semlar | if i just type /targetfriend with something selected it moves on to the next one in the series |
| 06:19.22 | Neffi | Because when you type "/targetfriend" for the first time, you probably enter the "cycling mode" |
| 06:19.40 | Neffi | Since you're clearing the target first, you break that mode every time |
| 06:19.57 | Semlar | if i do /targetexact mycharactername instead of cleartarget it cycles properly |
| 06:20.07 | Neffi | What kind of macro is this? Maybe I can come up with something |
| 06:21.47 | Neffi | wtf |
| 06:22.02 | Neffi | Legend of Korra uses different animation studios for some episodes in the same season |
| 06:22.10 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.10 | Semlar | i need it to retain tab functionality |
| 06:24.15 | Neffi | So you want to target raidN if any of them are harmful; if not, target Farseer Wolf Rider if it exists; if not, target your previous target and commence normal tab-cycling? |
| 06:24.23 | Semlar | yep |
| 06:24.44 | Neffi | And it can't clear your focus? |
| 06:24.57 | Semlar | we can use the focus if we have to |
| 06:25.06 | Semlar | i'd rather not |
| 06:25.43 | Semlar | i originally had /targetenemyplayer instead of all that raid crap but it completely blocked targetenemy from doing anything |
| 06:25.47 | Neffi | Is it really necessary to re-acquire the last target anyway? |
| 06:26.04 | Neffi | If it's taking the place of tab, why not just continue w/ /targetenemy and ignore /targetlasttarget ? |
| 06:26.05 | Semlar | no but i'm pretty sure that's the only way it'll cycle |
| 06:26.32 | Neffi | I think /cleartarget is the real offender in breaking cycling |
| 06:26.33 | Semlar | if we clear our target and call targetenemy it's definitely not going to cycle |
| 06:26.54 | Semlar | it's SUPPOSED to continue cycling if we retarget what we had |
| 06:27.52 | Fisker | OK nevcairiel |
| 06:28.03 | Neffi | hm |
| 06:28.11 | Neffi | scratches his beard. |
| 06:28.16 | Fisker | btw work? didn't you work at home now? |
| 06:28.28 | Semlar | can't make the top of the macro work without clearing our target though |
| 06:28.49 | Neffi | The /stopmacro clause is what requires /cleartarget |
| 06:28.53 | Semlar | unless maybe we replace all of the target functions with focus |
| 06:29.06 | Neffi | hold up |
| 06:30.35 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/EfpepaV7 |
| 06:30.36 | Semlar | nah that wouldn't work |
| 06:30.37 | Neffi | ? |
| 06:30.41 | Neffi | .... |
| 06:30.48 | Neffi | there's no fucking way you checked that that quick |
| 06:31.08 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:31.12 | Semlar | you don't know me |
| 06:31.17 | Neffi | The first line would implement normal enemy tabbing like usual. Nothing to break it. |
| 06:31.31 | Neffi | The next lines then essentially say "ok wait, let's try to see if these exist instead" |
| 06:31.37 | Semlar | yeah i'm trying to remember what the problem with this was in the first place |
| 06:31.44 | Semlar | because i swear i contemplated it |
| 06:31.44 | Neffi | If they don't exist, target doesn't change, and normal behavior of /targetenemy is preserved |
| 06:32.08 | Neffi | Try it again |
| 06:32.18 | Neffi | I'm pretty confudent this would work |
| 06:32.31 | Neffi | I'm also confident, but that's less important than fu |
| 06:32.50 | Semlar | i think i was trying to force it to cycle through the mind controlled targets too or something |
| 06:32.56 | Semlar | i think that's a lost cause though |
| 06:32.59 | Neffi | That's not possible |
| 06:33.26 | Neffi | I'm gonna grab a smoke or two. I'll be back in a few. |
| 06:33.33 | Semlar | mkay |
| 06:37.38 | Semlar | i can't think of any reason why this wouldn't work |
| 06:37.56 | Semlar | i'll need to test if /targetenemyplayer works with this because that would really simplify things |
| 06:38.28 | Semlar | i know it breaks targetenemy if it comes first but i don't know if targetenemy breaks it if it follows |
| 06:40.28 | nevcairiel | Fisker: new job only as of january |
| 06:40.54 | Fisker | ah OK |
| 06:41.14 | Neffi | Semlar: So what, you're trying to target enemy players, and if none exist, then target enemy NPCs? |
| 06:41.23 | Semlar | yep |
| 06:41.30 | Neffi | good luck |
| 06:41.35 | Fisker | new launcher is cool |
| 06:42.07 | nevcairiel | did they roll out the b.net client for all now? |
| 06:42.11 | Neffi | I just bound tab to target enemy player alone. It was a lot easier and really consistent |
| 06:42.37 | Neffi | The only time I find I need to target an enemy NPC/pet, is when I wanted to target a particular one and the mouse was prefered |
| 06:44.46 | bleeter | oh hey the launcher crashed a bit later under Wine than I'm used to |
| 06:45.01 | Semlar | grats |
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| 07:15.27 | phelps | so |
| 07:15.33 | phelps | is it possible to capture a binding ? |
| 07:15.40 | phelps | for use in SetBinding ? |
| 07:19.23 | Neffi | Create an edit box. Give it focus, and when it receives a key input, hide it and use that key. |
| 07:19.31 | Neffi | Frames can also be keyboard-enabled |
| 07:19.41 | phelps | and just uhh |
| 07:19.45 | phelps | check for IsShift blah |
| 07:19.49 | phelps | okeydokey |
| 07:19.53 | Neffi | Look up the SetScript API for which script is triggered when a keyboard-enabled frame receives a keypress |
| 07:20.06 | Neffi | Alternately, see how an existing addon does all this |
| 07:20.16 | phelps | thats no fun |
| 07:20.24 | Neffi | But it is reliable |
| 07:20.27 | phelps | lol |
| 07:20.36 | phelps | maybe |
| 07:20.39 | Neffi | Other people have worked through bugs that you haven't thought of yet |
| 07:20.44 | phelps | idk what to look at |
| 07:20.59 | phelps | what addon does this? |
| 07:21.05 | Neffi | Bindpad maybe. I can't think of another off the top of my head. |
| 07:21.10 | Neffi | Bindpad's kinda big though |
| 07:21.17 | Neffi | Might also look at the FrameXML for the keybindings UI |
| 07:21.34 | phelps | trying to avoid that really |
| 07:22.39 | Neffi | why? It'll give you tips on the necessary API you're looking for |
| 07:23.01 | Neffi | A lot of existing documentation is made from inspecting FrameXML |
| 07:23.29 | phelps | soz, misread that |
| 07:23.39 | phelps | I read bindings.xml |
| 07:23.48 | phelps | yeah, I'll look at FrameXML |
| 07:24.30 | Neffi | nevcairiel: Any thoughts on MPC-BE? |
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| 07:48.28 | nevcairiel | I'm no fan, the developers are a bit silly |
| 07:49.34 | Semlar | aren't they all |
| 07:49.42 | nevcairiel | more like hacking around hacks and more hacks then actually having a plan where to go with it |
| 07:49.56 | nevcairiel | it works in short term and produces features fast, but in the long term its just going to degrade |
| 07:50.18 | airtonix | nevcairiel: oh speaking of hacks |
| 07:51.13 | Neffi | I thought the thread seemed a bit unprofessional, so I did shy away, but I figured I'd ask somebody with a more qualified opinion ;) |
| 07:52.01 | nevcairiel | its more like mpc-russian edition too, i dont like developers that write commit notes and code comments in their native language :P |
| 07:52.24 | Neffi | I really was just interested because they replaced the crappy GUI |
| 07:52.37 | Neffi | MPC-HC has always seemed to command respect, and I'll stick by it |
| 07:52.50 | nevcairiel | people are way too obsessed with the guy, click fullscreen and enjoy the movie =) |
| 07:52.56 | nevcairiel | gui* |
| 07:54.05 | Neffi | I'm not really obsessed. I just think it's an eyesore. |
| 07:54.14 | Neffi | I don't need a beautiful GUI, but MPC's really sticks out |
| 07:54.54 | Neffi | Plus, it can hurt my eyes sometimes when I'm watching a dark fullscreen movie and I want to check how far in I am. It's too bright. |
| 07:55.59 | nevcairiel | i think its one topic for the future to completely redo the GUI, but they did internals for the last couple month |
| 07:56.01 | Semlar | i tried to hide the progress |
| 07:56.08 | nevcairiel | (like replacing their old filters with LAV) |
| 07:56.26 | Neffi | I keep up with the changelog vaguely, and they do seem to be hard at work doing REAL improvements |
| 07:56.33 | Neffi | I don't consider the GUI to be a vital thing |
| 07:56.41 | Neffi | I've just got shitty eyes, and it bothers them |
| 07:57.18 | Neffi | For now I just disabled everything besides the all-black "status", so I can still see how far into a movie I am without killing my eyes with contrast |
| 07:58.46 | Neffi | <3 ImgBurn |
| 07:59.15 | Neffi | It detected I'm making a Windows ISO. It corrected several settings, notified me of my mistake, and even generated a fitting label |
| 08:01.35 | Neffi | Does anyone here happen to have a Sandy Bridge generation Lenovo laptop? |
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| 08:03.05 | Semlar | when you first finish a reload is there a period when you can do secure things or are you just SOL if you're in combat |
| 08:03.31 | Neffi | There is |
| 08:03.46 | Neffi | I can't recall if it's before PLAYER_LOGIN or before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 08:04.06 | Semlar | so if i'm just creating a static macro i don't really need to bother waiting for an event |
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| 08:04.26 | Neffi | Probably not |
| 08:04.45 | Neffi | I think you're expected to have it done before _ENTERING_WORLD |
| 08:06.47 | bleeter | tackle hugs bluspacecow |
| 08:06.55 | Maldivia | Happy Movember everyone :) |
| 08:06.57 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 08:06.59 | bluspacecow | mr sheep |
| 08:08.18 | Fisker | no fap november I heard it was |
| 08:08.36 | Neffi | Fisker: Did you just come back from failing it? |
| 08:08.59 | Fisker | Nah that would be tonight Neffi |
| 08:09.05 | Neffi | lol |
| 08:11.42 | airtonix | i'm becoming convinced that when a non programmer says someone knows what their developer is doing or is really talented, they reallymean that their developer doesn't argue with them. |
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| 08:44.30 | Semlar | can you make a macro swap to another macro after it's been clicked |
| 08:46.46 | Neffi | A macro can "click" another macr |
| 08:46.52 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.14 | Neffi | As for swapping, MacroSequence used to do something similar. Hasnt worked in forever. |
| 08:48.45 | Semlar | i want it to just swap two macros back and forth when you click the button |
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| 08:48.56 | Semlar | i'm guessing that might not be possible |
| 08:49.14 | Neffi | AFAIK it's possible |
| 08:49.25 | Semlar | it seems to be what macrosequence does but i have no idea how this works |
| 08:49.29 | Neffi | MacroSequence could be updated or rewritten. cogwheel just stopped updating it. |
| 08:49.52 | Neffi | It also appears to not be openly licensed, so it actually cannot be updated publicly |
| 08:50.34 | Semlar | i really don't know much about the secure templates and headers |
| 08:51.06 | Neffi | Neither do I |
| 08:51.30 | Neffi | I always planned to get around to writing a new replacement to MacroSequence, but never bothered to learn how to do it |
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| 08:56.25 | Semlar | it would appear to have a table of macro texts that it somehow cycles through every time you click the button |
| 08:57.20 | Semlar | i feel like i've seen this before.. |
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| 09:08.17 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/API_SecureHandlerWrapScript this is always a good sign |
| 09:09.01 | Semlar | i feel like this is somehow your fault neffi |
| 09:09.25 | Neffi | I ate the old page |
| 09:09.41 | Semlar | the only thing under details is "TODO" |
| 09:10.24 | Semlar | looks like that was added.. 2 years ago |
| 09:10.26 | Neffi | Sometimes I love how open source projects work |
| 09:10.51 | Semlar | v_v |
| 09:10.56 | Neffi | someapp -> forked to sumapp -> forked to sumAp -> forked to sommap |
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| 09:18.19 | phelps | anyone have a student ID I can use |
| 09:18.25 | phelps | so I can get Tower for 50% off |
| 09:21.21 | Semlar | alright neffi, i got it working |
| 09:21.46 | Semlar | you can define global variables inside the secure text and then use them however you want |
| 09:22.07 | Neffi | cool |
| 09:22.32 | Semlar | so you can just create a number and if it's 1 then you can self:SetAttribute('macrotext', whatever) or 2 set it to something else |
| 09:22.50 | Semlar | really not that difficult |
| 09:25.29 | Semlar | i declare this addon PERFECT! |
| 09:25.46 | Semlar | now i just need to see if it actually works in the raid tomorrow |
| 09:28.56 | nevcairiel | in my experience its better to store such info in an attribute instead of global variables, but whatever works :D |
| 09:29.06 | Semlar | can you? |
| 09:29.27 | Semlar | i don't know what you can do in the secure environment |
| 09:30.11 | Neffi | I think the code in question is getting its own environment, so he's not polluting _G |
| 09:30.16 | Semlar | just self:SetAttribute('somethin', 'val')? |
| 09:30.25 | nevcairiel | i know Neffi, still a bit fragile |
| 09:30.28 | nevcairiel | and yes Semlar |
| 09:30.49 | Neffi | I didn't know you could do arbitrary attributes. That's kinda useful. |
| 09:30.49 | nevcairiel | that way you also get multiple buttons without clashing your global |
| 09:31.10 | nevcairiel | you cant write attributes from tainted code in combat |
| 09:31.27 | nevcairiel | so you can use them in the secure code, and you can read them from isnecure code, but you cant put info into the env during combat |
| 09:32.00 | Semlar | so it's a way of sharing variables outside that scope |
| 09:39.06 | phelps | the way you guys talk |
| 09:39.12 | phelps | really make me think I'm doing stuff wrong |
| 09:39.38 | bluspacecow | you have breathing down pat |
| 09:39.41 | bluspacecow | in out in out |
| 09:39.43 | bluspacecow | simple :P |
| 09:39.53 | phelps | haha |
| 09:40.03 | bluspacecow | see |
| 09:40.07 | bluspacecow | your a god damn expert |
| 09:40.14 | bluspacecow | you've been doing it since you were born :P |
| 09:40.31 | phelps | I'm so good at it I don't even notice I do it |
| 09:41.15 | Neffi | is that what she said? |
| 09:43.01 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8mRiDdOW5c&t=3m6s |
| 09:44.48 | Neffi | ok |
| 09:45.08 | Neffi | I cant figure out where people find humor in that show |
| 09:45.17 | karl_w_w | The proxy server did not receive a timely response from the upstream server! |
| 09:45.19 | Neffi | I see the jokes, I know they are jokes, I just don't find them funny |
| 09:45.23 | karl_w_w | why bluspacecow? |
| 09:45.48 | bluspacecow | he's moving his leg via the power of his mind! |
| 09:46.50 | Neffi | I did that one or two times today |
| 09:46.53 | Neffi | got tiring |
| 09:47.10 | Semlar | walk it off |
| 09:48.23 | Neffi | lol |
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| 09:58.25 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/7JorH.jpg |
| 10:00.45 | karl_w_w | many luls were had that day |
| 10:01.08 | karl_w_w | so Neffi, what you're saying is your mom is bigger than uranus? |
| 10:01.52 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.19 | Neffi | >_> |
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| 10:05.16 | bleeter | Neffi: no u |
| 10:05.21 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow, |
| 10:05.31 | karl_w_w | what is the purpose of this? |
| 10:06.39 | bluspacecow | a bit of WTF in your day |
| 10:06.41 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 10:08.46 | Fisker | so haste |
| 10:08.49 | Fisker | how many nexii? |
| 10:09.04 | haste | waiting for a norwegian store sell it |
| 10:09.14 | Fisker | sucks |
| 10:09.17 | haste | yep |
| 10:09.17 | Fisker | you gonna wait forever! |
| 10:09.20 | Fisker | also expensive |
| 10:09.28 | haste | company pays :) |
| 10:09.29 | karl_w_w | don't you have a Nexus the 4th, Fisker? |
| 10:09.37 | Fisker | I do |
| 10:09.52 | karl_w_w | so why concern? |
| 10:09.59 | haste | mine has started to drop bluetooth sound once in a while |
| 10:10.02 | haste | _really_ annoying |
| 10:10.14 | haste | and it always happens where I can't plug it into USB to check the logs |
| 10:21.48 | Sintacks | I just got DC'd reporting someone's guild name... dafuq |
| 10:23.10 | airtonix | Sintacks: you weren't supposed to report them |
| 10:23.20 | airtonix | isn't it obvious? |
| 10:28.17 | karl_w_w | silly Sintacks |
| 10:28.36 | karl_w_w | recognises the cause of the problem and is still confused by it |
| 10:32.13 | airtonix | MUWAHAHA |
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| 10:51.11 | Sintacks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNT3ftchV-Q |
| 10:57.04 | karl_w_w | BF3? SO OLD! |
| 10:57.46 | zenzio | Sintacks: saw that the other day, couldn't stop laughing |
| 10:57.57 | zenzio | "Max! MAAAXXX!!" |
| 11:36.49 | karl_w_w | fuarkkkk |
| 11:36.57 | karl_w_w | just opened a hearthstone pack |
| 11:37.01 | karl_w_w | with ysera in it! |
| 11:37.11 | jnwhiteh | nice |
| 11:45.08 | airtonix | karl_w_w: umad? |
| 11:45.29 | karl_w_w | I'm mad^-1 |
| 11:45.37 | airtonix | pls2bmad |
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| 11:57.03 | karl_w_w | omg Sintacks the screen tear! |
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| 12:42.45 | karl_w_w | anybody played Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons? |
| 12:42.49 | karl_w_w | I heard it's amazing |
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| 12:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | I found a sign for my cubicle door! It should ensure privacy. http://i.imgur.com/O0BuGUt.jpg |
| 13:00.36 | Fisker | I hope noone operates you at work like anything Lopeppeppy |
| 13:03.54 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.12 | bluspacecow | wat do you feed wires ? |
| 13:12.37 | airtonix | cows |
| 13:16.51 | Lopeppeppy | Cows should not eat wire, it adds nothing to the iron content of the milk and plays hell with their burping system. :) |
| 13:20.18 | zenzio | unless it's haywire |
| 13:21.11 | Lopeppeppy | That's the kind they eat the most, actually. Baling wire. |
| 13:21.14 | Fisker | he wants to know what to feed a wire Lopeppeppy |
| 13:21.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, what you give to a wire to sustain its existence? Mostly blood, from my experiences with barbed wire. |
| 13:22.23 | karl_w_w | pure distilled frustration |
| 13:23.32 | bluspacecow | *chewing wire* |
| 13:23.39 | bluspacecow | *spits out* |
| 13:25.43 | bluspacecow | *moos at Lopeppeppy* |
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| 13:27.30 | Fisker | you are not a cow bluspacecow |
| 13:27.35 | Lopeppeppy | spacecow |
| 13:27.41 | bluspacecow | MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:27.45 | airtonix | used to be a goat |
| 13:27.51 | Fisker | So you have a lot of barbed wire I figure, Lopeppeppy |
| 13:27.58 | bluspacecow | BAA A A A A A A A |
| 13:31.40 | Lopeppeppy | Grew up in farm country, my brother in law is a farmer. I'm passing familiar with it as an item of deviltry. |
| 13:32.01 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 13:33.07 | Fisker | Oh |
| 13:33.11 | Fisker | I thought it was your cubicle walls |
| 13:33.15 | Fisker | were* |
| 13:33.18 | airtonix | hurhur |
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| 13:35.59 | Lopeppeppy | Only on the outside. |
| 13:38.29 | Fisker | just gonna be the anti-christ |
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| 13:55.03 | bluspacecow | Peppy's walls are covered in barbed wire ? |
| 13:57.16 | Fisker | I wish I had barbed wire at work |
| 13:57.35 | Sintacks | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout | 4,732 tributes to Monty Python |
| 13:58.17 | bluspacecow | nothing says don't touch then great honking bit of barbed wire covereding a server |
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| 14:11.34 | karl_w_w | hey bluspacecow have you heard? |
| 14:11.43 | bluspacecow | about ? |
| 14:11.50 | karl_w_w | girls don't like boys girls like cars and money |
| 14:12.01 | bluspacecow | oh rly? |
| 14:12.05 | karl_w_w | also, boys will laugh at girls when they're not funny |
| 14:15.06 | karl_w_w | in other news, I have done every cookie clicker achievement except 1 and 1 shadow achievement |
| 14:24.48 | karl_w_w | http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/11/command-and-conquer/ jawtofloor |
| 14:25.30 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: is that you in the tux with the white bowtie? |
| 14:27.25 | tem | karl_w_w, it's for the best imo |
| 14:27.34 | karl_w_w | im just amazed |
| 14:27.44 | tem | I can't imagine the f2p bs going over well |
| 14:28.21 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed that a developer cancelled a game for that reason, and I'm amazed that it's an EA studio that's done it |
| 14:28.34 | tem | well that's definitely a good point |
| 14:28.42 | tem | if anyone would have the gall to release that game, it's EA |
| 14:29.19 | karl_w_w | I hope they sell the IP to somebody better |
| 14:29.47 | tem | the entire RTS market is kind of dead at the moment |
| 14:29.48 | karl_w_w | but then I'm always hoping for a return to the glory days of C&C :P |
| 14:29.53 | tem | no one wants to try to compete with SC |
| 14:30.13 | tem | Planetary Annihilation looks really fun, though |
| 14:30.21 | tem | I'm hoping they can pull it off |
| 14:39.13 | karl_w_w | witcher 3 DRM-free |
| 14:39.35 | Ackis | karl_w_w: glory days of C&C? HAHAAHAHAHAHA you're funny |
| 14:40.05 | karl_w_w | confusing |
| 14:48.55 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 14:48.55 | TC-Work | C&C is amazing |
| 14:49.06 | tem | when? |
| 14:49.07 | Ackis | the new one looks... disturbing |
| 14:49.08 | tem | Red Alert? |
| 14:49.19 | tem | they haven't made a good game since then |
| 14:50.10 | tem | Ackis, in case you missed it, the new one is cancelled |
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| 14:54.28 | Lopeppeppy | Everything in this site is a PDF. No wonder students complain they can't find anything on the search engine. Grrrrrrowl. |
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| 14:56.13 | A-KO | my flight leaves 6:00AM tomorrow for LA :D |
| 15:00.30 | Fisker | is LA :D a good place? |
| 15:02.26 | A-KO | yes, yes it is |
| 15:03.38 | TC-Work | No |
| 15:05.23 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: so soon? |
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| 15:08.46 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: yep |
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| 15:21.02 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/r1idpjz.gif |
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| 15:47.50 | Arrowmaster | kd3|hate`net: did you already book supershuttle? |
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| 15:49.22 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: "<kd3> alright, got hotel reminder/confirmation, just booked supershuttle. should be good to go" |
| 15:49.57 | Arrowmaster | guess i should too |
| 15:50.04 | Fisker | I hope noone dies on their trip to Blizzcon |
| 15:50.30 | TC-Work | I suspect some people hope blink does. |
| 15:50.46 | Fisker | who? |
| 15:50.47 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: my nexus 5 shipped at 12:30 edt last night |
| 15:50.52 | TC-Work | blink-182 |
| 15:51.02 | TC-Work | the band that's playing |
| 15:51.15 | amro | what is this, 2001? |
| 15:51.23 | Arrowmaster | people keep saying their new stuff is new and different |
| 15:51.39 | Fisker | that's what i'd like to know amro |
| 15:51.42 | amro | they're probably still douchebags though |
| 15:51.44 | Fisker | damn Arrowmaster |
| 15:51.56 | Fisker | Don't think ours have shipped in germanland yet |
| 15:52.03 | Fisker | But was apparently also a holiday yesterday |
| 15:52.04 | Fisker | so oh teh nos |
| 15:52.35 | Fisker | so you going to blizzcon Arrowmaster ? |
| 15:53.24 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 15:53.31 | Fisker | getting your nexus 5 before? |
| 15:53.50 | Arrowmaster | i hope |
| 15:54.23 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck i cant get my flight details from orbitz |
| 15:54.32 | Arrowmaster | site is just not doing anything |
| 15:55.45 | Fisker | I sure hope you get it beforehand as well |
| 15:55.45 | Fisker | hohohoho |
| 15:55.57 | Ackis | tem: they cancelled the new one? dafuq the alpha didn't say anything about that |
| 15:56.13 | tem | it just happened a couple days ago |
| 15:56.30 | tem | based on the feedback they got from the alpha, the canned the whole project and shut down the studio making the game |
| 15:58.15 | Ackis | my experience with the alpha was installing it, loading it up, seeing the interface/what they did with it, saying dafuq? and not playing it :( |
| 15:58.25 | tem | ha |
| 16:01.04 | Fisker | I liked the whole 2000-ish generation html interface for a game menu |
| 16:01.40 | Fisker | I don't usually like menus, but when I do, they must be made in html |
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| 16:33.53 | Ackis | amg http://i.imgur.com/r1idpjz.gif squeeeeeeeeee |
| 16:38.49 | Ackis | also http://i.imgur.com/cV4So0a.gif |
| 16:45.26 | Ackis | pompy: http://nesn.com/2013/10/yadier-molina-jim-joyce-take-moment-during-david-ortizs-at-bat-to-praise-slugger-say-this-guys-unbelievable-video/ |
| 16:49.38 | kd3|hate`net | well, great. looks like we're all getting prostate exams now |
| 16:49.45 | kd3|hate`net | a shooting just happened at LAX |
| 16:49.49 | Ackis | can I do yours kd3|hate`net? |
| 16:49.56 | Fisker | Well that's good kd3 |
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| 16:50.05 | kd3 | sure, ackis. bring lube |
| 16:50.06 | Fisker | then you don't have to pay for one |
| 16:50.31 | Fisker | Can I do yours Ackis? |
| 16:52.57 | Ackis | yup |
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| 17:04.25 | A-KO | gunshots at LAX |
| 17:13.05 | Amarande | At the airport, or just near it? We ARE talking Los Angeles after all :P |
| 17:13.24 | kd3 | at. if it was near it, it wouldn't even make the news |
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| 17:14.06 | nevcairiel | gunshots in LA is probably business as usual |
| 17:14.08 | Amarande | ahhh, Los Angeles ... called such because "los angeles" are what you're going to be soon in the company of if you're not careful while there, right? |
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| 17:15.14 | Amarande | And Arizona is short for Arid Zone, and Phoenix is called that because you probably at least FEEL like you're dying and being reborn in fire. :) |
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| 17:18.49 | Amarande | hm, let's see if there is anything good on the first week of black november on the egg |
| 17:19.45 | Amarande | ... oh that's a camera, for a moment I was like hmm D-link that's the strangest looking wifi router I've ever seen :P |
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| 17:55.18 | kd3 | hm. looks like the weather's driving the misery more than the ground stop at lax... http://flightaware.com/miserymap/ |
| 17:56.12 | Amarande | misery map ... another illustration as to why it's a good idea to avoid LaGuardia |
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| 18:24.36 | Fisker | my turn Arrowmaster |
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| 18:54.43 | kd3 | ~ping |
| 18:54.44 | purl | ~pong |
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| 19:22.26 | Amarande | heh, I'm surprised Detroit isn't at the top of this misery map instead of LAX |
| 19:22.51 | Amarande | then again, the brand of misery Detroit inflicts isn't actually the kind that is so readily measured like that heh |
| 19:23.59 | Amarande | (also why the hell do people seem to prefer to fly out of Newark and LGA when Kennedy is so much smoother in terms of delays and cancellations, not to mention way easier to GET to ...) |
| 19:40.23 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: i just stopped by an att store and picked up a microSIM so im ready |
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| 19:40.45 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i booked supershuttle earlier and put your skymiles account on it |
| 19:41.02 | Fisker | :O |
| 19:41.03 | Fisker | mine shipped btw |
| 19:41.06 | Fisker | But weekend |
| 19:41.06 | Fisker | So probably not in germany until monday or tuesday |
| 19:41.08 | Fisker | and then I hope I'll get it before friday |
| 19:42.05 | Arrowmaster | im going to have a friend order http://amzn.com/B00FJJ38HY for me later tonight using amazon prime |
| 19:43.28 | Arrowmaster | oh it changed from being shipped by amazon to shipped by spigen |
| 19:44.41 | Arrowmaster | ok ordered now with expedited shipping |
| 19:51.25 | Mr_Rabies | welp orc stain sure is a weird comic |
| 19:51.47 | TC-Work | http://kotaku.com/minecraft-gets-a-skyrim-make-over-1456798323 |
| 19:56.11 | Fisker | pff cases Arrowmaster |
| 19:56.58 | Arrowmaster | at least im not going with a giant rubber case again |
| 19:58.16 | Fisker | man |
| 19:58.17 | Fisker | can't wait |
| 20:03.20 | jleclanche | I usually recommend Linodes to my small clients for their startup. What provider would you guys recommend for a larger setup (dedicated)? |
| 20:03.36 | fewyn | linode clusters obv |
| 20:07.04 | Ackis | wow... I've racked up 150 hours of Pokemon Y so far |
| 20:09.37 | fewyn | haha |
| 20:09.39 | fewyn | only 150? |
| 20:09.41 | fewyn | slacker |
| 20:10.01 | fewyn | 166 hours 40 minutes |
| 20:10.17 | Ackis | nice |
| 20:10.23 | Ackis | I have more pokemon in my dex than you!! :D |
| 20:10.29 | fewyn | :( |
| 20:10.30 | Ackis | I'm snooping on gl |
| 20:10.33 | fewyn | lol |
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| 20:11.16 | Ackis | holy shit you've used GTS quite a bit |
| 20:11.49 | Amarande | I still need to finish Black ... and get a 3DS, of course |
| 20:11.53 | Ackis | I also have more medals than you ahahhahahahahaha |
| 20:11.57 | Amarande | at which point I'll have other stuff to do first, like Shin Megami Tensei IV |
| 20:12.04 | Ackis | Amarande: http://bit.ly/wowuipokemon |
| 20:12.46 | Amarande | g0urra bought two copies of Y and no X? *blink* |
| 20:12.52 | Amarande | or is one of those Yellow |
| 20:12.56 | g0urra | Yellow |
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| 20:13.15 | g0urra | oh forgot to add emerald |
| 20:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | i just got a super gameboy and fired up my pokemon yellow |
| 20:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | i really should probably replace the battery in my pokeymans games |
| 20:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | maybe find a way to do a proper backup first |
| 20:13.54 | Amarande | I should check what my friend code is, although 1) I'm guessing that will change when I get a 3DS? and 2) it's pretty much useless :( |
| 20:14.17 | Amarande | unless I find somewhere where the wifi is actually usable by a DS Lite, anyway |
| 20:14.29 | g0urra | Mr_Rabies: I should backup my emerald, got the message the battery has run dry |
| 20:14.54 | Ackis | Amarande: on hte 3DS you have one friend code for all of your games, whereas on the other ones the codes were game specific |
| 20:15.04 | Ackis | the implementation is still stupid though |
| 20:15.22 | Amarande | and as for "actually usable" wifi, I mean that there's two basic problems with wifi on the Lite nowadays unfortunately :( |
| 20:15.34 | Amarande | one, you have to be unsecured or pathetically secured since the pre-DSi models don't go any higher than WEP |
| 20:15.46 | Amarande | two, the real doozy ... you'll find plenty of public wifi nowadays |
| 20:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | g0urra, if it has, isn't the save gone? or does the GBA have other types of backups? |
| 20:15.51 | Ackis | fewyn: do you know when they're going to make pokemiles useful? |
| 20:16.02 | Amarande | *but*, almost all public wifi, while unsecured, requires you to sign in with a web browser so you can at least accept terms of service |
| 20:16.08 | g0urra | Mr_Rabies: it still works, but clock based events don't work |
| 20:16.10 | Amarande | and since there's no browser on the DS Lite ... :( |
| 20:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | well, there is, but it doesn't really like...interface with the wifi stuff |
| 20:16.32 | fewyn | soon |
| 20:16.36 | fewyn | (tm) |
| 20:16.39 | Mr_Rabies | ah, g0urra |
| 20:16.51 | Mr_Rabies | on the old GB games, the battery kept your save active |
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| 20:16.59 | fewyn | Ackis: i've just been going through the gTS and trading errythang |
| 20:17.09 | g0urra | well, the battery isn't dead, it has just "run dry" :P |
| 20:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't until the n64 that flash memory was cheap enough to put into a cart |
| 20:17.36 | Mr_Rabies | and until the GBA until it was small/cheap enough to fit in a portable cart, i guess |
| 20:17.42 | Amarande | and then not till the GBA till it was actually useful |
| 20:17.46 | Amarande | given the N64's general rep :) |
| 20:18.00 | Mr_Rabies | the n64 has a range of save options |
| 20:18.08 | Mr_Rabies | some games still used battery, since that was pretty cheap |
| 20:18.15 | Amarande | I was more poking at how the N64 seems to have only a tiny handful of games that anyone actually liked |
| 20:18.16 | Mr_Rabies | others required a memory pak |
| 20:18.23 | Mr_Rabies | and others had onboard storage |
| 20:18.26 | g0urra | found my old pokemon silver, let's see how it's held up |
| 20:18.29 | Mr_Rabies | whaaaaaaat, the n64 has a ton of amazing games, Amarande |
| 20:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | some haven't really held up well on their native console, like goldeneye or perfect dark |
| 20:18.55 | Mr_Rabies | but PD on x360 is amazing |
| 20:18.57 | Ackis | fewyn: I have no idea what's considered a "good" trade on the GTS |
| 20:19.05 | Amarande | mind you I've actually never had a Nintendo full-screen console |
| 20:19.08 | fewyn | i don't do good trades |
| 20:19.14 | fewyn | i just do anything not legendary |
| 20:19.16 | fewyn | i use the filters |
| 20:19.19 | Mr_Rabies | what the heck, Amarande |
| 20:19.37 | Amarande | I've had a GBA and a DS, but none of the full-screen consoles |
| 20:19.37 | Mr_Rabies | you missed an absolutely massive amount of good games |
| 20:20.00 | Amarande | well ... I didn't even get into consoles at all till about the time when PS1 was giving way to PS2 |
| 20:20.14 | Ackis | fewyn: ohh you look for what they want opposed to putting them up yourself |
| 20:20.21 | Amarande | and then I've been mostly a Sony guy, especially with how many RPGs have tended to be Sony exclusives over the years |
| 20:20.27 | fewyn | yeah |
| 20:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not a big fan of the playstation line |
| 20:20.48 | Amarande | although I definitely don't qualify as a Sony fanboy (after all I kept my DS and traded in my PSP) |
| 20:21.00 | g0urra | yep, the silver internal battery is dead |
| 20:21.01 | g0urra | RIP |
| 20:21.30 | Mr_Rabies | well, they're pretty easy to replace, g0urra |
| 20:21.44 | Mr_Rabies | you might be able to put a nicer battery in there for next time if you want |
| 20:22.01 | Amarande | the family has had a gamecube and a wii, but the gamecube didn't get much love and I'm not sure the wii is really used for much else besides netflix |
| 20:22.01 | g0urra | how? |
| 20:22.39 | Amarande | g0urra, just have to find a way to crack open the cart without breaking it, I suppose :) |
| 20:22.56 | g0urra | right |
| 20:23.09 | Amarande | I think GB carts used to have a screw in the middle on one side, not sure about GBA |
| 20:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | go to a game shop that stocks these and get someone who knows how to solder to pop it on, g0urra: http://hyperkin.com/retro-gaming/nintendo-gameboy-portable-system/20x-repair-part-replacement-battery-for-game-boy-game-cr1616-with-tabs.html |
| 20:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | or whichever battery is appropriate |
| 20:24.42 | Mr_Rabies | GB carts have a screw in the back that uses the nintendo gamebit, as well, yeah, i kinda forgot about that |
| 20:24.56 | Amarande | heh nintendo gamebit |
| 20:25.00 | Amarande | they tried to pull an apple too? :) |
| 20:25.02 | Mr_Rabies | i got my gamebit so long ago, but all nintendo carts use the same gamebits |
| 20:25.32 | Mr_Rabies | from NES to n64 to GBA |
| 20:25.44 | g0urra | http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3499-Blizzard-Trademarks-Warlords-of-Draenor-WoW-Expansion |
| 20:26.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, Amarande, most carts used proprietary screws |
| 20:26.27 | Amarande | Here we can find a few proposed designs for the next iPhone screw head: http://www.arcane-archive.org/occultism/magic/books/goetia/GOETIA4.GIF :D |
| 20:26.39 | Mr_Rabies | for sega, nintendo, etc |
| 20:26.45 | Mr_Rabies | sega's are huge by comparison |
| 20:27.46 | Amarande | seems like an unnecessary added cost from a design standpoint *shrug* |
| 20:28.09 | Mr_Rabies | eh, cartridges are really expensive to make already and relatively easy to pirate |
| 20:28.20 | Neffi | Blizzard uses GoDaddy? |
| 20:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | you can make madden '94 into earthbound via a rom writer |
| 20:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure if you have that, you have access to a gamebit, but who knows at the time |
| 20:28.53 | Amarande | 'course, there are some people on Ars who suggest that arcane screw heads should be on EVERY piece of hardware you buy as a pre-built unit :S |
| 20:29.09 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i think torx really should be used more |
| 20:29.10 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: hah, make it into Earthbound ... that's a laugh |
| 20:29.34 | Amarande | wasn't Earthbound the game where they had all the complex anti-piracy stuff woven into it so it'd let you think you were okay and then BAM poof go the savegames? |
| 20:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | oh right, it becomes impossible to beat like |
| 20:29.55 | Mr_Rabies | 80+ hours in or something |
| 20:30.08 | jleclanche | Looks like blizzard bugged the first pandaria quest |
| 20:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | i guess that's probably why it's still like $200 |
| 20:30.10 | jleclanche | great |
| 20:30.43 | Mr_Rabies | whereas the other rareish games that are now cheap are just romhacks ontop of madden carts that go for $2 |
| 20:31.04 | Amarande | jleclanche, how so and which faction? |
| 20:31.35 | Amarande | the only issues I've really heard people have in any recent memory with the first Pandaria quest have always been the usual "I hearthed out of Pandaria before getting to the first village how do I get back" kind |
| 20:32.00 | Mr_Rabies | they're just replicating the MoP launch, jleclanche |
| 20:32.25 | Amarande | I'm trying to even think of quests that were bugged by MoP related patches in general, except for two or three |
| 20:32.32 | jleclanche | Alliance |
| 20:32.37 | jleclanche | the vehicle section is completely broken |
| 20:32.48 | Amarande | of which the only one that was explicitly *bugged* was messing up the giant Horde vehicle design in Ashenvale so you couldn't get to the top to initiate a vital chain to progress into Stonetalon as Alliance |
| 20:32.53 | jleclanche | action bars arent changing, the plane isnt moving on |
| 20:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/XyGco.jpg |
| 20:33.07 | Amarande | the others were simply things coming unbalanced due to combat math adjustments |
| 20:33.20 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: yeah. |
| 20:33.29 | jleclanche | Mr_Rabies: which day was this? |
| 20:33.31 | Amarande | (mechashark bit in goblin start was mentioned if I remember, and I remember the hell that was the Battle for Gilneas in the worgen start area) |
| 20:33.34 | Mr_Rabies | day 1 of MoP, lol |
| 20:33.50 | jleclanche | its not that bad but yeah |
| 20:33.56 | Mr_Rabies | they're just recreating that madness for people who already nostalgia for that, obviously |
| 20:34.40 | Amarande | jleclanche, you can always transfer to the good side of things :D |
| 20:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if we'll ever see a democratic society in warcraft |
| 20:35.35 | Mr_Rabies | post SoO woulda been an interesting time to do that for the horde |
| 20:38.36 | Arrowmaster | i think i ate too much candy, ive got a headache now |
| 20:40.48 | Ackis | some douche stole the poppy fund box from my local 7-11 :( |
| 20:40.57 | Mr_Rabies | oh that reminds me that i planned on going to the store and getting candy on sale |
| 20:41.26 | Mr_Rabies | nothing fatter than a 20 minute drive expressly to get candy |
| 20:41.38 | Esamynn|work | Ackis: :( |
| 20:44.28 | TC-Work | poppy fund? |
| 20:45.36 | Esamynn|work | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_poppy |
| 20:52.18 | Amarande | ... I almost read that as rememberance puppy and I'm trying to think the relationship between dogs and memorials |
| 20:52.42 | Esamynn|work | heh |
| 20:52.49 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: [Out With It!] |
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| 20:55.49 | Amarande | hm |
| 20:55.55 | Amarande | must check cooks to see if any need to learn bread of the dead still |
| 20:57.48 | Torhal | Amarande: I read that as "between dogs and mermaids" and went "WAT" |
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| 21:08.09 | Neffi | woo! |
| 21:08.28 | Neffi | Turns out my father's friends with a software engineer, and his company is looking for new entry-level software engineers |
| 21:08.47 | Neffi | He asked for my resume and is gonna see if he can get me in. Wish me luck. |
| 21:10.53 | TC-Work | Good Luck |
| 21:11.31 | Neffi | It looks like they're involved in a lot of stuff, from mobile apps to desktop programs to enterprise shit |
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| 21:18.36 | bleeter | Neffi: go you! |
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| 21:19.49 | Ackis | is there a way to blend colours with html? e.g. I have a table cell red which is next to one that's yellow, I want the colours to blend together instead of being distinct (I have no clue what to even search for on google) |
| 21:20.58 | TC-Work | graduated colors? |
| 21:21.06 | kd3 | a gradient |
| 21:21.09 | Ackis | yeah |
| 21:21.18 | kd3 | http://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_gradients.asp |
| 21:21.27 | TC-Work | Or faster http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ |
| 21:21.58 | Ackis | love you both, brain wasn't even thinking of gradients, I was stuck on "heat map" |
| 21:22.21 | kd3 | I had to pull up my desktop background settings widget to remember the term |
| 21:22.48 | TC-Work | I couldn't remember it either >.< |
| 21:23.09 | TC-Work | It is a good thing none of us are web design people. |
| 21:23.38 | kd3 | I've gotten paid to do that crap, but don't ask me to remember the terminology |
| 21:23.45 | Ackis | "Note: Internet Explorer 9 and earlier versions do not support gradients." My platform is IE 8 :( |
| 21:24.03 | kd3 | maybe with javascript hackery? |
| 21:24.16 | kd3 | or you'd have to individually set the background color of the cells |
| 21:24.53 | Amarande | hm there's an interesting title |
| 21:24.56 | Amarande | "the Crazy Cat Lady" |
| 21:24.59 | Amarande | where do you get that one from? |
| 21:25.30 | kd3 | lmgtfy, http://wowpedia.org/Crazy_Cat_Lady |
| 21:25.38 | TC-Work | heh, make 10 cells inside one larger cell just to have a slightly different colour in each one. |
| 21:26.44 | stuf | Amarande: collect a metric fuckton of cats |
| 21:26.47 | stuf | basically |
| 21:26.56 | TC-Work | Ackis: http://css3pie.com/ |
| 21:26.56 | TC-Work | Not sure how far down the rabbit hole you can go. |
| 21:28.50 | Ackis | external software is a no-no, not enough business need for that, I just want something to look prettier |
| 21:29.54 | TC-Work | Ackis: Well, read through http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10001516/css-simple-gradients-in-internet-explorer-8 then |
| 21:30.03 | Ackis | yeah I am :) |
| 21:31.09 | alestane | Yes, there is actually a Crazy Cat Lady in Elwynn Forest, near the road out of Northshire, or at least there was before Cataclysm. |
| 21:31.44 | kd3 | she's still there |
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| 21:33.52 | Amarande | ah, new in 5.4 |
| 21:34.06 | Amarande | alestane: and apparently also previously Crazy Cat Lady achievements for Auriaya |
| 21:34.18 | Amarande | for not taking your revenge on the kitties. even though they are horrible horrible kitties of DOOM |
| 21:34.38 | Amarande | especially in 25-man ... "oh hi there, you didn't pull in exactly the one right way? tank, meet 80,000 simultaneous damage" |
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| 21:36.22 | Torhal | makes a heat map of Ackis's brain. |
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| 21:42.42 | bleeter | kinky |
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| 21:43.43 | bleeter | alestane, kd3: iirc Crazy Cat lady was one of the original writers/designers (also also iirc, quest foo) |
| 21:43.53 | bleeter | or maybe I'm getting them confused with the pentogram kids |
| 21:43.57 | bleeter | pentagram |
| 21:44.03 | kd3 | she was the cm back in beta |
| 21:44.17 | bleeter | ah, well staff. I was close |
| 21:44.18 | bleeter | ish |
| 21:45.15 | Amarande | htm |
| 21:45.24 | Amarande | er, hrm. three more levels till mount, finally |
| 21:47.44 | bleeter | kd3: okay, I admit it. I've lost the plot on npc <-> blizz staff. I went to BB to dance with Catrina for DotD... :-/ |
| 21:48.11 | bleeter | listen up kids, don't get old. it's a terrible thing. |
| 21:50.49 | Esamynn|work | Ackis: "My platform is IE 8" <-- my condolences :( |
| 21:52.48 | bleeter | ohai Esamynn|work |
| 21:52.55 | Esamynn|work | hi old man |
| 21:53.06 | bleeter | GET OFF MY LAWN |
| 21:53.36 | Esamynn|work | senile already, I see |
| 21:54.56 | bleeter | I'll learn you a new lesson, boy-o! |
| 21:56.59 | Esamynn|work | sorry, where you saying something? all I heard was a harsh baaah'ing noise |
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| 21:57.41 | bleeter | heh re: blizz forum searching isn't/wasn't: 'Just pinged our web team and they said yes! More specifically they said, "All forum posts are currently getting re-indexed to allow for case-insensitive author searching." (Which is like saying "yes," but with more letters.)' |
| 21:58.21 | bleeter | (via blucow on CSF) |
| 22:00.06 | kullervo | Does someone know of a dungeon speedrun tracker that works? |
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| 22:02.55 | Esamynn|work | challenge mode? :P |
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| 22:14.32 | kullervo | Esamynn|work: those can be tracked from achievements, normals can't |
| 22:15.10 | kullervo | there used to be one that could announce fastest and average clear times |
| 22:15.50 | kullervo | having an addon such as that would spice up farming VP with guildies, trying to break that previous record Scholomance of 4 minutes |
| 22:17.03 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.37 | kullervo | foxlit: don't be stupid, if I wanted to do it manually and write that shit down myself I would |
| 22:18.57 | Semlar-Laptop | there was an addon that tracked instance times |
| 22:19.02 | Semlar-Laptop | i can't remember what it was called |
| 22:19.10 | Mr_Rabies | can also use skada or whatever to track time spent starting with first time in combat |
| 22:19.11 | foxlit | kullervo: good luck in your search, then. |
| 22:19.30 | Semlar-Laptop | instancetime? |
| 22:19.49 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish you could get vp credit from soloing instances, though :( |
| 22:19.56 | Mr_Rabies | and/or scenarios |
| 22:19.59 | Semlar-Laptop | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/instance-time/ |
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| 22:24.01 | Esamynn|work | kullervo: I was just being unhelpful, that's all |
| 22:24.35 | bleeter | you're such a cad |
| 22:25.28 | Ackis | ffs |
| 22:25.50 | Ackis | The web dev "tool" I'm using is based on IE6, yet I'm doing shit for an IE8 environment... shoot me please? |
| 22:26.26 | Esamynn|work | ~shoot Ackis |
| 22:26.26 | purl | ACTION shoots Ackis in the eye with a glue gun! |
| 22:32.29 | Neffi | Ackis: You're gonna need something a little stronger |
| 22:32.35 | Neffi | ~whalenuke Ackis |
| 22:32.35 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Ackis with his mind powers. |
| 22:32.46 | Neffi | purl is a she? |
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| 22:34.44 | Semlar-Laptop | of course |
| 22:37.27 | Semlar-Laptop | neffi what http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/priotarget/ |
| 22:37.30 | Neffi | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEyuoi2-5A |
| 22:38.02 | Neffi | Semlar: Somebody always beats you to it, huh? |
| 22:38.07 | Semlar-Laptop | no |
| 22:38.20 | Neffi | 21 hours ago. Maybe Dridzt got the idea from you |
| 22:38.41 | Semlar-Laptop | i feel like every time i mention something in here it eventually becomes a thing |
| 22:39.00 | Neffi | Can you mention me scoring a 6-figure job? |
| 22:39.17 | Semlar-Laptop | you will be swimming in gold |
| 22:39.26 | Primer | Semlar-Laptop: QuickLook ended up being pretty good, but still lacks inspect support |
| 22:39.30 | Ackis | damnit |
| 22:39.31 | Neffi | That would either be painful or deadly |
| 22:39.47 | Ackis | wedding anniversary this weekend.... |
| 22:39.48 | Ackis | ... |
| 22:40.01 | Semlar-Laptop | may you live in interesting times |
| 22:40.03 | Primer | Semlar-Laptop: I've added that as a comment to the wowace/forge/whatever page for the project, but I have a feeling he doesn't want to implement it |
| 22:40.36 | Primer | As he didn't add a bug tracker |
| 22:40.48 | Semlar-Laptop | probably wouldn't be too difficult |
| 22:41.06 | Semlar-Laptop | the inspect frame is separate from the character one so you'd have to write a little template for that |
| 22:41.13 | Neffi | The way the weather's been, I think that's slowly coming true, Semlar-Laptop |
| 22:41.19 | Neffi | Not the kind of interesting I want though |
| 22:41.30 | Primer | I know it wouldn't, but I think he's not adding it because "that's what what his initial goal was" |
| 22:41.49 | Semlar-Laptop | yar |
| 22:41.51 | Neffi | So write a patch for it and send a request |
| 22:42.11 | Primer | DAMN YOU OPEN SORES PEOPLE AND YOUR PATCHES! |
| 22:42.19 | Neffi | It may not be that he's against the feature, but against spending times on things he doesnt want |
| 22:42.52 | Neffi | "open sores" =( |
| 22:43.00 | Semlar-Laptop | i wasn't actually planning on uploading my targeting addon |
| 22:43.20 | Semlar-Laptop | i don't want to give blizzard any ideas about restricting any more functions |
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| 22:46.13 | Semlar-Laptop | oh but it looks like /targetenemy /targetfriend /targetenemyplayer etc are limited to one per macro |
| 22:46.25 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.26 | Semlar-Laptop | so only the first one you use will work |
| 22:48.43 | bleeter | Ackis: wedding anniversary, eh? people get less for murder... ;) |
| 22:51.18 | foxlit | [also, since a while back, pet journal seems to remember preferred ability load outs for particular pets] |
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| 22:51.35 | foxlit | However, there seems to be no way to get at that info unless the pet is currently on your team. Am I missing something? |
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| 22:56.20 | Neffi | Semlar-Laptop: From what I've gathered, they seem to have put a lot of thought into those functions. I think they're happy with the constraints and capabilities. I doubt they'd lock down a smart-targeting system, because the secure system already ensures it's only doing things they deem OK. |
| 22:58.06 | Semlar-Laptop | i'll see how it works out tonight |
| 22:58.38 | phelps | question: I create buttons using ActionButtonTemplate, if a user is using something like dominoes, can it update my buttons as well ? |
| 22:59.08 | phelps | I'm not sure how to better ask that |
| 22:59.22 | Semlar-Laptop | update it how |
| 23:00.07 | phelps | does dominos update each button manually ? |
| 23:00.36 | phelps | I just want my ActionButtonTemplate themed buttons to change to w/e the others might happen to look like |
| 23:00.49 | phelps | if the user is using some addon that modifies that |
| 23:01.12 | Esamynn|work | Semlar-Laptop: probably a result of the first hard-ware required action consuming the hardware event for a macro |
| 23:01.27 | Esamynn|work | regardless of if it does something or not |
| 23:03.31 | Esamynn|work | and yes, basically, the only information available in the secure environment is fair game for basing targetting parameters on |
| 23:04.27 | Esamynn|work | s/only/any/ |
| 23:04.42 | Esamynn|work | bleh, I fail at correcting my own typo |
| 23:04.49 | Semlar-Laptop | it was a good effort |
| 23:04.53 | foxlit | meh, Esamynn|work, what you're saying sounds a lot like "if you can do it using the restricted environment, it's okay with blizzard" |
| 23:05.02 | Esamynn|work | pretty much |
| 23:05.05 | foxlit | there are clear counterexamples to that. |
| 23:05.15 | Semlar-Laptop | it's okay until they realize it's not what they intended |
| 23:05.17 | phelps | Semlar-Laptop: it hooks ActionButton_Update to update the style, is it possible to have the same thing run on my buttons ? |
| 23:05.20 | foxlit | See for instance what they did to /castrandom. |
| 23:05.47 | phelps | I think you mean /paladin |
| 23:05.50 | alestane | Generally, if something is not okay with Blizzard, it doesn't stay in the secure environment. |
| 23:05.53 | Esamynn|work | well, if they don't like it, they'll nerf it, yes... but I think it would be pretty clear if you were stepping outside the lines, really |
| 23:06.04 | Amarande | foxlit: well, that's more of a "if you find something you can do that works according to the letter of the restricted environment but isn't okay with the spirit of it, blizzard nerfs the restricted environment to break it" right? |
| 23:06.13 | Esamynn|work | if you're doing contortions, you're probably outside the lines |
| 23:06.16 | Semlar-Laptop | this is a bit of a grey area |
| 23:06.33 | Esamynn|work | yah, and it always will be |
| 23:07.44 | Amarande | yeah, I can't really think of a case where creating a given addon actually gets you in like, deep doo-doo trouble with Blizzard |
| 23:07.50 | foxlit | [the problem with /castrandom is that you /can't/ nerf the restricted environment to break it.] |
| 23:08.07 | Amarande | if they don't like it, then the next patch breaks your addon (and often other people's addons, so I guess if you exploited something really cherished, those other people might break YOU too, ROFL) |
| 23:08.22 | Amarande | or your addon gets put in baddons, but I'm not sure how often that is ever actually used |
| 23:08.29 | Amarande | baddons seems to remind me of that blacklist book from the movie Casino |
| 23:08.36 | Amarande | "there's only like two names on that list and one of them is still Al Capone" |
| 23:09.18 | Esamynn|work | baddons is really a very special mechanism |
| 23:09.21 | alestane | The bad addons list was mostly to deal with cases like that bad release of, I think it was TitanPanel, that was causing people to put in extra tickets. |
| 23:09.23 | Esamynn|work | it's very easy to bypass |
| 23:09.34 | Amarande | alestane, I think GearScore ended up there once too |
| 23:09.48 | Amarande | mind you, GearScore should just be put there permanently, along with PlayerScore and anything else out of Ten Ton Hammer's odious selves |
| 23:09.55 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 23:09.57 | Semlar-Laptop | maybe oq will one day |
| 23:10.01 | Amarande | especially after they engaged in blatant addon piracy :P |
| 23:10.20 | Stanzilla | like elitist jerks |
| 23:10.40 | Amarande | until all that is left of Ten Ton Hammer eventually is ... http://www.wowhead.com/item=25402/ |
| 23:10.50 | alestane | It's meant to curtail accidents like buggy add-on releases if they threaten the WoW infrastructure in some way, it's not meant to block addons from deliberate tasks, because it's so easy to circumvent. |
| 23:11.17 | Amarande | I'm actually trying to even think of anything you can do in terms of addon creation that would actually get you actioned, as opposed to the UI simply being changed to prevent you from doing it in the future |
| 23:11.21 | Amarande | except maybe for addons that create spam |
| 23:11.30 | Esamynn|work | ^... I mean you can bypass it by changing the version in your TOC iirc |
| 23:11.50 | Amarande | or, unfortunately, the old Horde-Alliance Alliance-Horde dictionary addon idea, which apparently is also verboten territory, as I've suggested it before |
| 23:12.27 | Amarande | though light only knows why it should still be, given that bnet friend chat lets you easily talk with a cross-faction friend even on a pvp server, and there's also the little bit with demo warlocks that as far as I'm aware has never been shut down |
| 23:12.31 | foxlit | the way things are going in Mists, heaven help us if the UI team will ever discover addon functionality they'd like to break. |
| 23:12.32 | Esamynn|work | makes a strange gesture at Amarande. |
| 23:12.36 | phelps | Amarande: I can show you one in a PM if you'd like |
| 23:13.03 | foxlit | s/will ever discover/ever discovers/ |
| 23:13.06 | Amarande | phelps: oh, you can make a horde-alliance alliance-horde dictionary, you just would be crossing the line to do it as part of an in-game addon apparently |
| 23:13.19 | phelps | not that, just an addon blizzard would take action on |
| 23:13.30 | Neffi | I don't think it's actually possible anymore |
| 23:13.32 | Neffi | Could be wrongf |
| 23:13.37 | Semlar-Laptop | you could easily use oq for cross faction communication |
| 23:14.01 | phelps | could you "fake" oq packets ? |
| 23:14.08 | Neffi | You could also just send a friend request to any arbitrary person by right-clicking their portrait, be they on another faction or server. So x-faction comm is already in the game. |
| 23:14.11 | Amarande | Esamynn: apparently when you're in meta form (might have to be glyphed, I forget, it's been a while since I've been on my demo lock) and can talk in demonic, opposite faction demo locks can also understand you clearly |
| 23:14.12 | phelps | I've thought about messing with that but the oq source is redic. |
| 23:14.14 | kd3 | not that you can't use bnet chat to talk cross-faction anyway |
| 23:14.29 | Esamynn|work | hahah |
| 23:14.31 | Neffi | I've gotten many friend requests that way, where when I accept somebody curses me out because I killed them while they had a rare tapped |
| 23:14.41 | Amarande | I think it may even be implicitly allowed, since there are even some warlock social groups on the blizz forums that use it cross-faction |
| 23:15.11 | Neffi | I don't see anything inherently bad about cross-faction comm |
| 23:15.28 | Amarande | Neffi: presumably it was a bigger issue when world pvp was more of a thing |
| 23:15.30 | Neffi | It's not a good idea for global channels to implement it, but speaking to single people/friends is not harmful |
| 23:15.38 | Amarande | and they haven't felt the need to upgrade the TOU since |
| 23:15.58 | phelps | not anymore, with possibility of having horde and alliance |
| 23:16.02 | Neffi | It wasn't much of an issue when we had a server-wide Ventrilo channel where horde and alliance alike would talk to each other while also killing each other |
| 23:16.16 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 23:16.19 | Neffi | It added to the fun really |
| 23:16.22 | Amarande | Neffi: I don't think they can regulate out-of-band stuff like that, either |
| 23:16.41 | kd3 | oh ye gods. realm-wide vent servers. I miss those days |
| 23:16.48 | Neffi | Oh no, I just mean to say that although it might sound problematic, it turned out not to be, even though I played on a server full of trolls |
| 23:16.49 | Amarande | not without banning voice chat altogether anyway, and that would basically break raiding on so many levels |
| 23:16.57 | Amarande | you can do YOLO RBGs, you can't really do YOLO heroic raids :P |
| 23:17.08 | Semlar-Laptop | there is in game voice chat |
| 23:17.28 | Semlar-Laptop | that nobody has ever used |
| 23:17.31 | Neffi | It was very fun having guild-vs-guild rivalry, where the members of each would join the same Vent channel |
| 23:17.34 | Esamynn|work | and how would they enforce such a thing anyways? |
| 23:17.36 | kd3 | that even blizz admits nobody ever uses |
| 23:17.48 | Neffi | Nobody uses because it was a failure |
| 23:17.58 | Esamynn|work | because it sucked |
| 23:17.59 | phelps | Semlar-Laptop: because its hard to get to and sounds like it runs on a toaster |
| 23:18.07 | Neffi | The quality was so terrible, that people gave up hope for it. I don't even know if they improved the quality, because I have no desire to use it now. |
| 23:18.18 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:18.21 | Amarande | Esamynn: I suppose they'd have to take warden to a deeper level |
| 23:18.28 | Amarande | warden can see if we're running vent, I presume |
| 23:18.29 | phelps | I used it once doing a deadmines run in BC |
| 23:18.35 | phelps | or maybe early wrath |
| 23:18.46 | Amarande | I suppose then they could check outbound net connections and see if you have a vent server in common with other-factioned players |
| 23:18.48 | Neffi | Things like Skype and Vent are more convenient anyway. Talk to anyone, not just party. Keep on the conversation between logouts. etc |
| 23:18.50 | Amarande | but that would be going a bit far I think :) |
| 23:18.52 | Esamynn|work | yes well, I was more pointing out that that is really in the realm of foolishness |
| 23:19.09 | Neffi | Amarande: I would categorize that as malware |
| 23:19.13 | Amarande | also centrally managed voice chat systems like skype would be impossible to really deal with in that way, since everyone connects to the same central farm |
| 23:19.18 | Neffi | They have no right to do that, whether or not they have the capabiluty |
| 23:19.20 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: bingo |
| 23:19.25 | Amarande | Neffi: it's still a far cry from what Punkbuster alleges to be able to do :| |
| 23:19.33 | Amarande | mind you, Punkbuster basically IS malware |
| 23:19.50 | Esamynn|work | also, I don't run their games in admin mode... and I refused to use punkbuster |
| 23:19.53 | Esamynn|work | refuse* |
| 23:19.54 | phelps | is there a limit to SavedVariables size ? |
| 23:19.59 | Semlar-Laptop | yes |
| 23:20.07 | phelps | is it large ? |
| 23:20.10 | Semlar-Laptop | yes |
| 23:20.11 | phelps | it has to be pretty large |
| 23:20.14 | Neffi | Yes, and you'll get a special event thrown if it's too large to load |
| 23:20.15 | Esamynn|work | 2^18 -1 constants |
| 23:20.16 | Amarande | it's one of the major reasons I haven't really gotten into FPS lately, and the few that I have purchased in recent years I think are all valve titles that use VAC instead of punkbuster |
| 23:20.31 | Esamynn|work | unique* constants |
| 23:20.58 | phelps | VAC is so much nicer, cheating causes a loss of your entire account, not just one game |
| 23:21.00 | Esamynn|work | that special event is just for memory constraints |
| 23:21.06 | Esamynn|work | not really a file size limit |
| 23:21.16 | phelps | I just want to store some huge ass strings, thats all |
| 23:21.28 | Esamynn|work | define huge |
| 23:21.29 | Neffi | You should be fine |
| 23:21.31 | phelps | 10kb per, maybe a few dozen |
| 23:21.36 | Esamynn|work | pfft |
| 23:21.39 | Neffi | That sounds alright |
| 23:21.43 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:21.44 | Neffi | That's really not that large |
| 23:21.47 | Amarande | phelps: only for VAC secured games |
| 23:21.52 | Amarande | they want you to keep buying games after all :) |
| 23:21.56 | phelps | Amarande: its still great though |
| 23:22.06 | phelps | such leverage to ward off cheating |
| 23:22.10 | Amarande | unlike say EA where their ban policy has been a real bastard at times |
| 23:22.13 | Semlar-Laptop | you should see the amount of crap recount stores |
| 23:22.21 | phelps | hahaha |
| 23:22.24 | Neffi | In fact lots of Lua programmers abuse strings to store large amounts of data, because it you can squeeze in more data per byte when you're not changing it often |
| 23:22.34 | Amarande | like people would get actioned for trolling the forums ... and then not be able to play any of their games either, even the single player ones because their account wouldn't auth anymore |
| 23:22.41 | Neffi | I remember an old addon that stored the price of every item in the game using just one huge string |
| 23:22.48 | phelps | lol |
| 23:23.03 | Esamynn|work | EA are just... bastards... perid |
| 23:23.03 | phelps | ALL ABOUT THAT TDD BRAH |
| 23:23.05 | Esamynn|work | period* |
| 23:23.11 | Neffi | It was a lot more memory-efficient than using a table, and simple subbing meant very quick access |
| 23:23.33 | Amarande | eh, EA do a lot of nice things compared to other companies, OTOH |
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| 23:23.42 | Esamynn|work | such as? |
| 23:23.52 | phelps | I got banned on punkbuster about 10 years ago |
| 23:23.54 | Amarande | like when they made the expansion for SW:TOR free they gave free cartel coins to everyone who'd bought it |
| 23:24.00 | Amarande | which basically gave you free expansion if you were a sub |
| 23:24.02 | phelps | still can't play that game <_< |
| 23:24.12 | Semlar-Laptop | strings use less memory but you use a lot more cpu to process them so it's really a stupid way of saving resources |
| 23:24.21 | Neffi | Arguable |
| 23:24.29 | Neffi | If your data is largely static, then you spend very little CPU |
| 23:24.36 | Neffi | You can index them efficient with just a string.sub |
| 23:24.39 | Amarande | unlike say ubi which made that online pass thing free and I doubt anyone will get their money back |
| 23:24.55 | Neffi | If you change the data often though, it's very bad, because strings are immutable, which costs a SHITLOAD of garbage churn |
| 23:25.08 | Esamynn|work | online passes were generally free if you bought the game new anyways |
| 23:25.31 | Neffi | But if you just have a static database that doesn't change, it's a good way to do it. If you need to make minor changes, you can store the changes themselves in a table which you check before the big string |
| 23:25.32 | Amarande | or, one thing that still irks me since I have a lot of European friends who also play MMOs |
| 23:25.57 | Amarande | Blizzard *still* keeps the US and EU servers fully segregated so you need separate accounts for each if you wanted to play on both |
| 23:26.19 | Amarande | OTOH, with SW:TOR you can roll on either US or EU wherever you are |
| 23:26.37 | Semlar-Laptop | are you sure you need separate accounts |
| 23:26.44 | Esamynn|work | yes |
| 23:26.48 | Semlar-Laptop | i thought you could modify your client to connect to the other realms |
| 23:26.48 | Amarande | Semlar: separate WoW accounts at least |
| 23:27.02 | Amarande | and I'm not even sure you can set them both up under the same bnet account easily EITHER anymore |
| 23:27.03 | Neffi | You could also probably get the best of both worlds. When you need to work with data, decompress it from the string into a table. Then on LOGOUT, just recompress anything that has changed into a new string. Your saved variables will load faster because it's not building a big table, and you only use more memory when you need to do changeds. |
| 23:27.41 | Neffi | Or in other words: string as primary storage database, table as a cache for quick access |
| 23:28.02 | Esamynn|work | I've never understood the US/EU divison in wow... they kinda broke down those walls for D3/SC2, but not for wow |
| 23:28.33 | Neffi | I understand that people want to stay within their language, timezone and latency barriers, but I agree with being able to switch by choice |
| 23:28.50 | Neffi | I like that ESO has separate megaservers for US and EU, but that one account can access both and it's user-selectable upon login |
| 23:29.10 | Amarande | Esamynn: what's even more annoying is I'm not sure how you can even register a cross-region WoW account anymore |
| 23:29.22 | Esamynn|work | shrugs |
| 23:29.26 | Amarande | for instance, I happened to notice one day (when browsing a forum thread that was on the EU boards) that your bnet login is good in any region |
| 23:29.55 | Neffi | If you buy boxes copies from both regions, and then associate them with the same BNet, you should be fine probably |
| 23:30.00 | nebula169 | like, you buy a eu license, not rocket science |
| 23:30.24 | Esamynn|work | nah, I've heard of them being wierd about that kinda thing |
| 23:30.29 | Amarande | nebula: the problem is how to be offered the licence |
| 23:30.38 | Neffi | I think a few people here have licenses in both regions |
| 23:30.44 | Amarande | even if you log in to eu.battle.net, if you're in the US with a bnet account you registered in the US |
| 23:30.47 | nebula169 | you go to your battle net account ... and buy it |
| 23:30.52 | Amarande | you'll notice the option for a new WoW account still says North America |
| 23:30.55 | nebula169 | i have both on mine |
| 23:30.56 | Amarande | it does not offer any option for Europe |
| 23:31.14 | Neffi | Then logout, buy a key from the EU store with your credit card, and login and register it to your BNet account |
| 23:31.22 | Neffi | The key isn't gonna magically become a US key |
| 23:31.54 | bleeter | http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/01/mythbusters-lax-shooting/ |
| 23:32.00 | Amarande | a few other things seem to be separate too, like Battle.net Balances |
| 23:32.18 | Amarande | like I have 14 cents US on us.battle.net, but no euros |
| 23:32.37 | nebula169 | Amarande: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/86276370/Untitled.png magical, i know |
| 23:32.40 | Esamynn|work | that, I can understand |
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| 23:33.00 | Amarande | ah, you just can't do it directly from the account screen then |
| 23:33.06 | nebula169 | yes |
| 23:33.12 | nebula169 | that is from the bnet account |
| 23:33.27 | Neffi | *insert In Mother Russia joke* |
| 23:33.42 | Esamynn|work | but, yes, you can point your client at any region, and in fact, use any locale in any region |
| 23:33.47 | Amarande | still, it's a little odd that it's kept separate in the first place, when that is not normal for other MMOs anymore nor for other Blizz games |
| 23:34.07 | Amarande | I wonder if they've meant to fix that eventually but haven't, like cross-realm mail for BOAs |
| 23:34.16 | Neffi | Esamynn|work: You sure? Because when installing the US client, you only get the options to install enUS or Spanish locale files |
| 23:34.27 | Esamynn|work | yes, I am. I have done it |
| 23:34.34 | Neffi | Cool stuff |
| 23:34.35 | Esamynn|work | it's not "supported" |
| 23:34.42 | nebula169 | Esamynn|work: that selector changes the playable region, not just the client locale |
| 23:34.52 | Esamynn|work | yes, I know |
| 23:34.59 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: I'm guessing EU and US ain't joined because legacy WoW Account code. If they're looking to fix this, I'd put my money on them wanting to ensure (1) SSO completely works (2) Realm coalesion(?) stuff that's going on also works (coz, why not crz EU realms as well then for max pop balancing foo) |
| 23:35.00 | nebula169 | oh, separate things |
| 23:35.02 | Esamynn|work | as I said... not suported, but easy to do if you know how |
| 23:35.34 | Amarande | bleeter: I'm guessing a little bit of money in the mix, too |
| 23:35.49 | Amarande | once you combine US and EU, that's only one subscription fee per person for cross-region players, plus you can't sell them the expansions twice :) |
| 23:36.15 | Amarande | like cross-realm mail for BOAs, I bet that one's given a lowish priority because really, who wants to give up those extra $25's from people who transfer a character to bring their BOAs with them :) |
| 23:36.31 | Amarande | and hey, Blizzard is a business, money's their main game soo ... :S |
| 23:37.08 | Amarande | NSA could even be a factor, though I'm not really sure on that one |
| 23:37.27 | Esamynn|work | now you sound like a conspiracy nut :P |
| 23:37.49 | bleeter | iirc current player counts as announced in returns take duplicate accounts into consideration, but I have no idea if that's on a per region or global basis |
| 23:38.18 | bleeter | I'd be suprised if there's a large % of folks with consistently active multiregion, though |
| 23:38.21 | Esamynn|work | they would, since they count subscriptions, not players, afaik |
| 23:38.23 | Amarande | Esamynn: apparently there is concern in the EU about whether willfully using channels that allow for NSA snooping constitutes dereliction of duty under privacy/data protection laws there |
| 23:38.49 | Amarande | now that it's known-for-sure that the snooping occurs |
| 23:39.11 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: like any good company, there's bound to be fudge in any figure released |
| 23:39.14 | Esamynn|work | soooo, you can't use the internet in the EU anymore? :P |
| 23:42.32 | foxlit | gr, pet journal. |
| 23:42.52 | foxlit | GetPetInfoByPetID is case insensitive, and doesn't return the proper-case version of the id. |
| 23:42.59 | Neffi | Amarande: You can safely bet the NSA is probably snooping. They primarily collect metadata, not actual data. So they've managed to get their hands in a lot of stuff. |
| 23:43.20 | Neffi | The NSA isn't the only firm doing this snooping. Almost every first-world country with good itnelligence is doing it. |
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| 23:44.22 | Neffi | They specialize in making statistical connections based solely on metadata, like IP addresses, contact lists, sites visited, etc. They're essentially doing what Google does, but on a much larger scale. |
| 23:44.50 | foxlit | http://amultiverse.com/2013/10/28/werechickens/ |
| 23:45.04 | bleeter | every first-world country with good intel, and every 3rd world country with corrupt banking and contacts to first world telcos and service providers |
| 23:45.12 | Neffi | Ars Technica actually did a writeup of what the NSA actually does, how it collects data, and how it manages to pierce so much of the internet with limited computing resources |
| 23:45.43 | Neffi | How when they claimed they only hit a couple percent of internet traffic, that it was actually very significant because they're collecting just metadata, which is only a couple percent of total internet traffic |
| 23:47.55 | Amarande | Neffi: probably more of the 'real' internet traffic of interest, too |
| 23:48.06 | Amarande | like when you subtract out all the known factors like Windows Update etc. |
| 23:48.24 | Neffi | I'm trying to find the multi-page article that did a very good rundown of the NSA's snooping |
| 23:48.31 | Neffi | But Ars has so many articles on it, it's hard to find |
| 23:49.15 | Neffi | Here's a couple articles, but not the one I'm after |
| 23:49.16 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/the-1-6-percent-of-the-internet-that-nsa-touches-is-bigger-than-it-seems/ |
| 23:49.21 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/what-the-nsa-can-do-with-big-data/ |
| 23:49.52 | Amarande | I remember when Win8.1 came out some folks were saying "oh, mass update machines to 8.1, flood the NSA's servers with uselessness!" |
| 23:50.14 | Amarande | and then someone came along and noted that they probably ignore Windows updates because they already know what's in that :P |
| 23:50.17 | Neffi | You're on the right track. That wouldn't affect the NSA's computers. |
| 23:50.35 | Neffi | They look for statistical links by inspecting packets. They don't look at your Facebook pictures. |
| 23:50.43 | Neffi | They look at whether or not you're ON Facebook |
| 23:50.57 | Neffi | And probably who you send communications to, and how often, but that's very small data |
| 23:51.12 | Amarande | But yeah, I remember it being mentioned somewhere that since the news of the snooping became public, some Europeans have been pondering if this impacts their obligations under data privacy laws there |
| 23:51.19 | foxlit | And none of that should be okay with anyone. |
| 23:51.25 | Amarande | (which are apparently WAY stricter than in the US) |
| 23:52.15 | Neffi | foxlit: People seem to be OK with Google doing a lot of snooping on them. If you use any Google product, more of your data is in their hands than in the NSA's. And not to mention how many websites use things like AdSense and ... what's their other thing -- the thing that gives page view statistics |
| 23:52.34 | Neffi | Anyway, even if you avoid Google products, you've still got a big profile on their servers |
| 23:52.48 | Neffi | And nobody bitches about anyone else besides the NSA doing the same thing |
| 23:53.15 | Neffi | We should definitely ask if their methodology is just, but in today's world, becoming a piece of intelligence is unavoidable |
| 23:53.28 | Neffi | And it'd probably be irresponsible for a superpower not to be gathering mass intelligence |
| 23:54.14 | Esamynn|work | the difference is that the NSA has the power to take it so much further |
| 23:54.20 | bleeter | I'm not convinced comparing NSA snooping and Google is at all fair |
| 23:54.31 | bleeter | s/fair/even/ |
| 23:54.41 | Neffi | No, it's not, but do you expect any less? |
| 23:55.02 | foxlit | Frankly, yes. Your comments are extremely out-of-line with what I expect. |
| 23:55.10 | Neffi | The invention of computers practically came out of the need for snooping. Alan Turing was cracking codes. |
| 23:55.29 | bleeter | I thought it came out of weaving |
| 23:55.32 | Neffi | That intelligence is important. Sure, it can be misused, and we should make sure it's not being misused. But don't expect the NSA to close up shop. |
| 23:55.37 | Neffi | I'm not sure I would want them to |
| 23:55.53 | bleeter | damn agrarian socialists again |
| 23:56.01 | Neffi | Being able to crack codes has saved a lot of lives and prevented wars, or ended them early |
| 23:56.35 | Neffi | I'm initially skeptical of all of it. But I'm being practical. It's a necessary evil that it exists in some form. I want that form to be a reasonable form. |
| 23:56.43 | Semlar | the nsa is just like having an imaginary friend |
| 23:57.04 | Esamynn|work | and why is it a necessary evil? |
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| 23:57.42 | Neffi | Because in an age where computers dominate communications and allow for easy clandestine comm, you need to know if there's a nuke heading your way |
| 23:57.46 | kd3 | oh wow. that was quick. delta's already letting us use our devices from gate to gate |
| 23:57.48 | kd3 | I was expecting a turnaround closer to christmas |
| 23:58.07 | Neffi | In the old days before computers, it was all about listening in on wires and decoding cryptic morse code and shit |
| 23:58.18 | Neffi | Hell, code-cracking is ancient |
| 23:58.25 | Neffi | This isn't a new problem we need to think about |
| 23:58.27 | Semlar | and riffling through your mail |
| 23:58.50 | Neffi | Be wary of it. But don't expect it not to happen. |
| 23:59.12 | foxlit | You're going in circles around "don't think about it don't think about it its unavoidable don't think about it" |
| 23:59.23 | bleeter | I just don't get how people can be happy with being meta surveilled 24/7 on the off chance their neighbour is a whackjob |
| 23:59.29 | Neffi | Caesar was using codes in Roman times, and people died because they couldn't decrypt his codes |
