| 00:00.06 | Semlar | you can create a factory in lua but it's not the same as a template |
| 00:00.31 | Semlar | i can't recall off the top of my head why you would NEED to create a template using xml but i think there are some instances |
| 00:00.38 | TGiFallen | the functional difference is minimal though? |
| 00:01.08 | Semlar | xml also makes it easier to include files sometimes |
| 00:01.48 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.49 | Semlar | for example if you're including files using the toc file, when you edit the toc file and reload it won't load the changes but if you used an xml file you don't need to restart the client to include the new files |
| 00:02.03 | Semlar | ..i think |
| 00:02.07 | Semlar | it's been a while |
| 00:02.33 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure it reloads the xml file and therefor the references to new files |
| 00:02.41 | airtonix | you have a problem, you decided to use xml to solve it, you now have two problems. |
| 00:02.46 | TGiFallen | well if you add a new file to the .toc it wont load that new file |
| 00:02.54 | TGiFallen | but if you edit a file alraedy in the .toc it will update it |
| 00:03.04 | Semlar | it doesn't load the new file because it doesn't load the toc file again |
| 00:03.13 | TGiFallen | lol airtonix |
| 00:03.57 | airtonix | i totally invented that phrase |
| 00:03.59 | Semlar | but it does reload any changes you made to the xml file |
| 00:04.17 | Semlar | and i think it will include any new references to new files you made in it |
| 00:04.26 | Semlar | i'm not sure about that though |
| 00:04.56 | phelps | omfg.... inf is back |
| 00:05.05 | phelps | WHY!!!! |
| 00:05.15 | Semlar | nibordoohe: are you trying to get the name of what the mouse would be interacting with if you clicked? |
| 00:05.26 | TGiFallen | close semlar |
| 00:05.32 | TGiFallen | the name of the frame(s) he's mousing over |
| 00:05.46 | phelps | so /fstack |
| 00:05.54 | TGiFallen | yeah |
| 00:05.59 | Semlar | that's not what he said |
| 00:06.02 | TGiFallen | but he said he's lazy and doesnt wanna look up |
| 00:06.28 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.29 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.39 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.43 | Semlar | you literally want the same thing as in the tooltip from fstack? |
| 00:06.49 | Semlar | i don't see the point |
| 00:06.56 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.06 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.12 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.17 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.30 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.31 | Semlar | what's the difference between printing them to the chat and seeing them in the tooltip |
| 00:07.40 | Semlar | are you trying to copy them out of the chat? |
| 00:07.43 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.44 | nibordoohe | exactly |
| 00:08.24 | Semlar | you have to loop over every frame in the interface and check MouseIsOver or whatever the api is |
| 00:08.37 | Semlar | IsMouseOver? |
| 00:08.43 | Semlar | i can never remember |
| 00:08.58 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.38 | Semlar | you can do frame:IsMouseOver() or MouseIsOver(frame) |
| 00:09.45 | Semlar | so both |
| 00:10.22 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.00 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EnumerateFrames the example here is literally to print what your mouse is over to the chat |
| 00:11.50 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.58 | Semlar | just stick it all on one line and put /run in front of it |
| 00:12.16 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.17 | Semlar | if it's too long you might need to shorten some things |
| 00:12.37 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.47 | MysticalOS | eh, yes and no |
| 00:12.53 | Semlar | macros in game are limited to 256 characters in the default ui |
| 00:13.13 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.22 | MysticalOS | i've had transcriptors logs go over 200MB. but blizz did add a variables too large check if your application memory heap size is running low, first thing it does is refuses to load mod variables |
| 00:13.23 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.26 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.55 | Semlar | if you wanted to make copying easier you could have it create an edit box with the contents selected for you to copy |
| 00:14.14 | Semlar | but if you have prat or something i guess you could copy out of the chat |
| 00:14.14 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.20 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.47 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.56 | Semlar | sort of |
| 00:15.04 | Semlar | you won't hit it |
| 00:15.13 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.14 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.30 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.43 | Semlar | you only need it to be on one line if you're making a macro out of it |
| 00:17.18 | Semlar | since it counts line breaks as you hitting enter in the chat basically |
| 00:18.50 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.57 | Semlar | carbonite was breaking some editors because their obfuscated version had extremely long lines |
| 00:19.19 | Semlar | it didn't prevent it from running though |
| 00:19.44 | Semlar | thousands of characters |
| 00:20.07 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.16 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.21 | Semlar | well that's good because you're not technically allowed to obfuscate it |
| 00:20.31 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.47 | Semlar | it's in blizzard's ToS actually |
| 00:21.00 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.07 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.28 | Semlar | that's sort of difficult to say since you wouldn't ever be found out |
| 00:21.55 | Semlar | and it's not as if there'd be any point to obfuscating code only you'd be using |
| 00:21.55 | foxlit | Quick, Semlar, report his sorry behind! |
| 00:21.56 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.10 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.20 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.20 | Semlar | i'm not actually sure |
| 00:22.56 | Semlar | i don't see why they would be monitoring anything like that |
| 00:23.01 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.07 | Semlar | it would just be unnecessary traffic |
| 00:23.13 | foxlit | just code in french. |
| 00:23.17 | foxlit | best strategy ever. |
| 00:23.30 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.40 | Semlar | no |
| 00:23.49 | Neffi | Semlar: nibordoohe: That example is outdated |
| 00:24.04 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.04 | Neffi | MouseIsOver is deprecated and might have been removed. The new API is: frame:IsMouseOver() |
| 00:24.05 | Semlar | how can an example be outdated |
| 00:24.14 | Semlar | that is not a new api |
| 00:24.15 | Gnarfoz | nibordoohe: the intention is for there not to be such a possibility |
| 00:24.24 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.30 | Neffi | It's what you should use instead of MouseIsOver |
| 00:24.30 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.32 | Semlar | MouseIsOver is a function implemented in framexml |
| 00:24.33 | foxlit | (how the heck does anyone know what is "deprecated"?) |
| 00:24.34 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.51 | Neffi | foxlit: One of the references claimed that IIRC |
| 00:24.59 | Semlar | and as far as i know it basically just called IsMouseOver |
| 00:25.07 | Tuller | back when we had ui patch notes :P |
| 00:25.20 | Semlar | it hardly matters for this |
| 00:25.29 | Semlar | unless they've actually removed the function |
| 00:25.31 | Neffi | I was saying because I thought MouseIsOver got removed |
| 00:25.36 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 00:25.58 | Neffi | Test? I vaguely remember having problems with MouseIsOver last I played, and had to switch to :IsMouseOver( ) |
| 00:26.01 | Semlar | well either say there's no reason not to use frame:IsMouseOver |
| 00:26.09 | foxlit | Tuller: to this level of detail? It must've been back in vanilla! :) |
| 00:26.26 | Neffi | Aye. We actually used to get stuff like this |
| 00:26.49 | Semlar | function MouseIsOver(region, topOffset, bottomOffset, leftOffset, rightOffset) return region:IsMouseOver(topOffset, bottomOffset, leftOffset, rightOffset); end |
| 00:26.56 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.11 | airtonix | who would have thought Neffi, that we'd be sipping <insert expensive french wine here>? |
| 00:27.14 | Neffi | Oh, MouseIsOver still exists. Whatever |
| 00:27.22 | foxlit | oops? |
| 00:27.22 | Semlar | TOLD YOU |
| 00:27.32 | Neffi | Meh |
| 00:27.35 | Neffi | Use IsMouseOver |
| 00:27.39 | Neffi | Because I said so |
| 00:27.47 | airtonix | it's over man, OVER |
| 00:27.50 | Semlar | i like this one too function setglobal(varr,value) _G[varr] = value; end |
| 00:28.08 | Neffi | was necessary for backward compatibility |
| 00:28.24 | Semlar | was it though |
| 00:28.25 | Semlar | was it really |
| 00:28.36 | Tuller | yes |
| 00:28.41 | Semlar | they didn't seem to have any trouble dropping multiple cvars without warning |
| 00:28.47 | Neffi | setglobal() was official deprecated. Probably the last "hey this API is deprecated" message we ever got in patch notes. |
| 00:29.12 | Semlar | don't see why they should continue to support this incredibly pointless function |
| 00:29.41 | Neffi | They probably left it in as a stopgap to lessen how many addons would break in the one patch, and never got around to removing it in the next patch |
| 00:29.43 | foxlit | there are no reasons; only Zuul. |
| 00:30.22 | Semlar | -- replace the C functions with local lua versions |
| 00:30.22 | foxlit | In any case, it's boring. It's there. Use it. Or not use it. Your addon can break in the next patch regardless of what you do. |
| 00:30.41 | Neffi | In fact, you should implement a little hook in your addons. Hook setglobal/getglobal, analyze the debugstack() when it's called, and then alert the user that they should uninstall whatever addon called set/getglobal |
| 00:30.56 | Semlar | the nihilistic approach to programming |
| 00:31.02 | Neffi | aye |
| 00:32.13 | foxlit | Oh, we're playing that game? |
| 00:32.15 | Neffi | Scratch that. Taint. |
| 00:32.39 | TC-Work | I do not want to scrach that taint. |
| 00:32.57 | Neffi | DebugTools still uses getglobal() in two places |
| 00:33.07 | foxlit | In that case, you should hook debugstack, and only return information on whoever called debugstack(). |
| 00:33.08 | Neffi | DebugTooltip_OnLoad and DevTools_InitFunctionCache |
| 00:34.06 | Neffi | Oh, and InitUserdataCache |
| 00:34.23 | Tuller | gcinfo() |
| 00:34.24 | airtonix | "Hi it looks like you're using DeadlyBossMods, would you like to send a tweet about this?" |
| 00:35.16 | Semlar | no |
| 00:35.23 | Neffi | I love that I can open every single FrameXML file in NP++ at the same time, and search for a phrase, without it locking up or taking more than 2-3 seconds to find all matches |
| 00:35.32 | airtonix | what's the matter? not proud of DBM? |
| 00:35.50 | foxlit | Neffi: now if only you drew the right conclusions from what it showed you :P |
| 00:36.05 | Neffi | foxlit: I maintain that I did |
| 00:36.43 | Neffi | It's you who failed to see the sarcasm |
| 00:37.18 | foxlit | "Neffi: Scratch that. Taint." << this was sarcasm? |
| 00:39.10 | Neffi | On another note, does anyone know why many of the UI windows refuse to open if it's Blizzcon? |
| 00:39.18 | Neffi | Lots of: if IsBlizzCon() then return end |
| 00:39.40 | kd3 | they want people playing the game and not mucking about with the ui when they only have a limited amount of time? |
| 00:39.54 | Semlar | probably to simplify things |
| 00:40.03 | Ressy | yup. |
| 00:40.14 | Ressy | It was a problem at one of the cons I was at.. |
| 00:40.24 | Ressy | People were logging out of their special accounts, and into their own account |
| 00:41.03 | Semlar | GOTTA CHECK MY AUCTIONS |
| 00:41.10 | Neffi | lol |
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| 00:49.57 | Amarande | drat, still no update for questguru. I see monkeyquest has been most recently updated today, that any good these days? |
| 00:50.05 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/17-things-we-learned-from-sonys-massive-ps4-faq/ |
| 00:50.11 | Neffi | some interesting things |
| 00:51.33 | Amarande | hmmmm |
| 00:51.46 | Amarande | did they say *why* you have to download an update to play blu-rays or dvds on the Four? |
| 00:51.58 | Amarande | I don't remember having to do so on the 3, mind you I always download the latest updates on the 3 anyway |
| 00:52.05 | Amarande | (also I got my PS3 used, too) |
| 00:52.59 | Neffi | It's not an update, it's an activation |
| 00:53.17 | Neffi | Maybe to download a unique key so they can more easily track copyright infringement? I don't know |
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| 00:53.59 | Amarande | PS4 games not coming on DVD anymore ... did PS3 games come on DVD? *shrug* |
| 00:54.27 | Amarande | if they did, they were probably few and far between, like CD based games for PS2 (which kinda went the way of the dodo not only because of DVD data capacity, but because CD games on the PS2 tended to be particularly prone to DRE :P) |
| 00:55.45 | Amarande | only four controllers supported at a time ... seems a non-issue really :S |
| 00:56.20 | Amarande | how long has it been since couch multiplayer was a thing? publishers pretty much killed that off so they could get $240 off a foursome of friends, never mind if they had to antisocially each play from home instead of being able to gather up |
| 00:56.37 | Mr_Rabies | couch multiplayer is the best |
| 00:56.46 | Amarande | I'm trying to even think of console titles recently that support more than *one* player that aren't fighters, apart from Diablo 3 and Guitar Hero/Rock Band type games |
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| 00:57.31 | Neffi | I do couch multiplayer a lot |
| 00:57.32 | Amarande | and even fighters usually only support 2P, and that mostly because it's come to be pretty much an expected core feature of a fighter, people would throw a huge row if they couldn't have tournaments at a party |
| 00:57.59 | Amarande | but say splitscreen racing or FPS games? haven't heard of any of those in years |
| 00:58.29 | Amarande | what were the last splitscreen fps I've seen ... Red Faction and Halo, I think :P |
| 00:58.59 | Mr_Rabies | because FPS games are generally the laziest games out there |
| 00:59.41 | Neffi | I play a lot of splitscreen FPS games with my friends |
| 01:02.14 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q05NISGYYJg |
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| 01:14.49 | airtonix | Neffi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jypiGmAcU88 |
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| 01:16.17 | Neffi | Seen that done before |
| 01:17.08 | Neffi | It's actually rather easy. The monitor itself should have everything you need |
| 01:17.36 | Neffi | You're just moving the polarizing filter from the monitor's surface to some other arbitrary glasses-type thing |
| 01:17.54 | airtonix | good for split screen two player gaming |
| 01:17.59 | airtonix | or lan games |
| 01:18.23 | Neffi | Maybe |
| 01:18.39 | Neffi | If both pairs of glasses have the same polarization orientation, then each player can see both screens |
| 01:18.48 | airtonix | i think split screen needs active polarization |
| 01:19.06 | Neffi | You might even be able to defeat it with off-the-sheld sunglasses that use a polarizing filter to defeat glare |
| 01:19.27 | Neffi | "Wow his screen is white! I can't see a thing?" "wtf u talkin about my normal sunglasses see it fine" |
| 01:19.55 | airtonix | "why is that guy masturbating to a white screen?" |
| 01:19.57 | Neffi | You could polarize in the opposite direction. But then your opponent can just tilt his head to see your screen |
| 01:20.29 | Neffi | opposite -> perpendicular, but I think you know what i meant |
| 01:21.00 | Neffi | I was gonna do it to my old monitor just for shits and giggles, but then I realized how easily it could be defeated |
| 01:25.34 | Primer | SURE YOU WERE |
| 01:26.47 | Neffi | :| |
| 01:40.01 | Neffi | woah http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/cisco-releases-free-and-libre-h-264-code-for-browsers/ |
| 01:40.44 | kd3 | not really libre since you have to use their compiled version if you want cisco to pay for the licensing fee |
| 01:42.09 | Neffi | That's true, and it's non-ideal. But I'm surprised Cisco is gonna fork over royalties on other people's behalf. |
| 01:42.51 | kd3 | well, think about it... paying mpeg la fees versus continuing to be a huge player in the videoconferencing market |
| 01:43.51 | kd3 | cisco doesn't sell that stuff for cheap |
| 01:45.52 | Amarande | I wonder if they feel guilty about it finally |
| 01:46.24 | Amarande | There were allegations that Cisco (via their subsidiary Tandberg) basically stole some of the patented H.264 stuff from the developers of the open source X264 |
| 01:46.42 | kd3 | cisco? feel guilty? |
| 01:46.46 | kd3 | hahahahahahahha |
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| 01:47.44 | Amarande | apparently they were watching the x264 dev IRC channel ... late in 2008 Jason Garret-Glaser committed an algorithm to the codebase |
| 01:48.12 | Amarande | and then about two months later a Tandberg patent application turned up with that very algorithm quoted step by step, claiming that Tandberg invented it |
| 01:48.56 | Amarande | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X264#Tandberg_controversy |
| 01:50.15 | Amarande | yay the sox are running away with this one :) |
| 01:51.04 | Neffi | Their patent was discredited, right? Right? |
| 01:51.22 | Amarande | Neffi: Not sure, they don't go on into detail beyond that |
| 01:51.26 | Amarande | oh, yeah, and to make the whole patent soup even more of a problem, the US either has moved or is presently moving to first to file ... |
| 01:51.50 | Neffi | I wish patents would just be abolished |
| 01:51.55 | Amarande | just to make sure patents are more easily owned by mega corporations with well-oiled IPR departments instead of by, you know, inventors |
| 01:52.09 | Amarande | speaking of oil, I betcha Big Oil actually had a hand in that one, heh |
| 01:52.42 | Neffi | I recently read an article about their pushing for "good patent reform". It didn't seem like they were pushing for anything good |
| 01:52.44 | Amarande | I can even imagine how they'll use it ... wait to see any potential threat to fossil fuels start to materialise, then quickly file a patent on some essential piece of such technology and then refuse to ever licence it |
| 01:52.52 | Amarande | so people get forced to stick to oil :P |
| 01:53.51 | Neffi | I don't know if I'll ever be convinced that patents can do more inherent good than harm |
| 01:54.46 | Amarande | Neffi: well, I suppose there's the occasional good in that sometimes a truly lousy technology that should never see the light of day gets patented |
| 01:54.58 | Amarande | bonus if it's by someone like apple that won't give the time of day to a competitor licence-wise |
| 01:55.30 | Amarande | like that execrable ad-supported device idea |
| 01:56.35 | Amarande | did I ever tell you about that one? |
| 01:57.02 | Amarande | apparently the idea was for it to be used with low-cost tablets/phones but it never got implemented in any device I'm aware of (and since it's Apple, you can be sure it will never show up in any non-Apple device either for 20 years :D) |
| 01:59.51 | Amarande | ads on a device, that's nothing new. but ads on a device that quiz you to make sure you actually gave them your full attention, and the device locking itself out unless you pass enough quizzes per X amount of usage time, that's new |
| 02:00.52 | Fisker | so whats wrong Torhal? |
| 02:01.31 | Fisker | oh |
| 02:04.32 | kullervo | seems the World of Logs devs don't understand the nature of IRC, thinking people would expect replies within minutes |
| 02:04.50 | kullervo | I'm sure a good amount of people here have replied or been replied to at least a day later |
| 02:05.28 | Seerah | hrm? |
| 02:05.41 | Stanzilla | world of logs is dead soon enough |
| 02:05.43 | Stanzilla | so no problem |
| 02:05.52 | phelps | I asked a question about a ruby gem on its irc chan and got a response about 2 weeks later in a pm |
| 02:06.39 | Amarande | what's wrong with world of logs? apart from the fact that it's really hard to use it to judge the relative merits of specs\ |
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| 02:06.58 | Stanzilla | not active dev |
| 02:06.59 | Stanzilla | slow |
| 02:07.01 | Stanzilla | broken |
| 02:07.12 | phelps | like your dick. |
| 02:07.16 | Amarande | since so many battles are gimmicky (e.g. tanks tend to top the DPS meters on Garrosh) and I'm not sure which fights are actually a reasonable representation of general performance |
| 02:07.24 | phelps | <_< |
| 02:09.16 | Amarande | after all, non-gimmicky fights are really not good judges of a spec either, you rarely get patchwerk type fights in "real life" |
| 02:10.53 | phelps | i thought all of icc was pretty non-gimmicky |
| 02:11.12 | Amarande | phelps: that really doesn't help judge DPS for specs *now* :) |
| 02:11.18 | phelps | well :p |
| 02:11.28 | kullervo | Stanzilla: but it's very useful, know better alternatives? |
| 02:11.41 | Amarande | hm, time to install monkeyquest I guess |
| 02:11.52 | Amarande | and disable questguru for the time being |
| 02:12.01 | Stanzilla | kullervo: http://www.warcraftlogs.com/ |
| 02:12.02 | Stanzilla | is in the works |
| 02:12.04 | Torhal | Fisker: Hrm? |
| 02:12.05 | Amarande | I just hope MQ doesn't have that horrid framerate killer error in it like it did last time I used it. :| |
| 02:12.06 | Stanzilla | and will be awesome |
| 02:12.41 | Fisker | I just misunderstood alram because he's a dick |
| 02:14.09 | Amarande | yay no queues tonight on illidan |
| 02:14.14 | Amarande | wonder if everyone's watching the ball game |
| 02:18.38 | phelps | Stanzilla: yeah |
| 02:18.43 | phelps | that site is amazingly sexy |
| 02:18.58 | phelps | but I love graphs, so might be biased |
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| 02:27.27 | airtonix | phelps: oh it uses ruby? there's your problem. |
| 02:27.38 | phelps | airtonix: rofl |
| 02:27.55 | phelps | i lied, i didn't rof |
| 02:27.55 | airtonix | doing it wrong already/ |
| 02:27.56 | phelps | i did l |
| 02:28.49 | phelps | Ruby on Rails is great |
| 02:28.52 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 02:29.15 | airtonix | can't be that great if I don't like it |
| 02:29.42 | phelps | i like Ruby and Rails |
| 02:29.47 | Fisker | yeah tied up and waiting for the train right phelps? |
| 02:29.49 | Fisker | :3 |
| 02:29.57 | airtonix | derp |
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| 02:31.09 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 02:31.20 | phelps | i remember something like "when got was handing out brains you thought he said trains and boarded then left" |
| 02:31.34 | phelps | im not sure how it goes |
| 02:31.42 | phelps | s/got/god/ |
| 02:32.05 | Tuller | grr, my backup drive decided, "lets have errors!" today |
| 02:32.13 | Fisker | :O |
| 02:32.35 | Fisker | hi Tuller btw |
| 02:32.40 | phelps | good thing you have the originals right |
| 02:33.05 | Tuller | yes, and cloud backups |
| 02:33.24 | bluspacecow | *fondles Fisker* |
| 02:33.27 | Tuller | just more of an unexpected expense thing |
| 02:33.29 | Amarande | speaking of errors, did you see the one that just happened in the baseball game? :| |
| 02:33.29 | Fisker | cool bluspacecow |
| 02:33.34 | Fisker | I wanna sleep :( |
| 02:33.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 02:34.51 | kullervo | Stanzilla: cool thanks |
| 02:39.28 | airtonix | pumps fisker full of caffeine |
| 02:40.07 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/1onmdv/fruitloops_in_the_heat_sink_are_the_least_of_your/ |
| 02:43.22 | airtonix | "Taking the piss" was said to have originated from that too. |
| 02:43.29 | airtonix | Machine Gun Crews for an M1917 water cooled machine gun at times would have to urinate into the cooling jacket to keep the guns cool while firing |
| 02:44.10 | airtonix | that little kid: "hehe take this piss" |
| 02:44.12 | Neffi | He told a computer-illiterate person to open their computer, AND didn't even tell them to turn it off first |
| 02:44.16 | Neffi | I would have fired him |
| 02:44.25 | Neffi | no pun intended |
| 02:44.26 | bluspacecow | *facepalm at that * |
| 02:45.27 | airtonix | also on the floor? |
| 02:45.34 | airtonix | who are these people? |
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| 02:46.15 | airtonix | omg omg omg my computer, wait. no wait. I better put it on the groud where my piss happy child can access it. |
| 02:53.49 | pompy | dohh? http://gamerant.com/command-conquer-cancel-victory-games-close/ |
| 03:02.40 | Amarande | Cards are down to their last three outs :D |
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| 03:13.33 | pompy | woohoo Red Sox! |
| 03:20.57 | pompy | 1 out away!!!!!!!! |
| 03:22.53 | Amarande | Yay, watch them hit a string of fouls now ... LOL |
| 03:23.04 | bluspacecow | y they hit ducks |
| 03:23.12 | kd3 | eta until riots in boston? |
| 03:23.14 | Amarande | and it's SOX IN SIX |
| 03:23.33 | bluspacecow | PARTY RIOTS |
| 03:24.06 | Kaylin | woo |
| 03:24.10 | Kaylin | sox win |
| 03:25.14 | Amarande | sigh and more int based quest reward gear for my windwalker, heh |
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| 03:28.47 | Neffi | PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 03:28.55 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.04 | Kaylin | addon loaded :P |
| 03:29.07 | Neffi | The player is in the game world and logged in at this point |
| 03:29.26 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.39 | Fisker | tackles kd3 |
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| 04:58.45 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/135db7471522c5716cba961dd82199fe |
| 04:59.14 | kullervo | Hmh, where's the GM UI gone |
| 05:00.09 | Fisker | I am happy the picture was uploaded in less than 3 seconds Shirik |
| 05:00.36 | Shirik | good Fisker |
| 05:00.43 | Shirik | kullervo: Why are you asking such a question |
| 05:01.14 | kullervo | Shirik: because /gm is an invalid command and I don't see the button in the "menu bar" |
| 05:01.25 | Shirik | why do you care? |
| 05:01.35 | kullervo | because I was about to search the knowledge base for something |
| 05:01.38 | Shirik | OH |
| 05:01.40 | Shirik | THAT gm ui |
| 05:02.33 | Neffi | Something about that makes me think you're very familiar with using a different GM UI |
| 05:02.48 | Neffi | You've been found out, Shirik! Now give my character 1000g |
| 05:02.57 | airtonix | Neffi: yeah shirik created wowglider |
| 05:03.06 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think those people are rela big on having a Knowledge Base |
| 05:03.18 | Shirik | believe it or not I was actually a GM for another game (not wow) |
| 05:03.18 | airtonix | hela? |
| 05:03.27 | Dagmar | *snicker*. "real" |
| 05:03.30 | airtonix | yeah it's hard to believe |
| 05:03.35 | Neffi | lol airtonix |
| 05:03.37 | Shirik | that company, however, did not actually enjoy supporting their GMs |
| 05:03.38 | Neffi | Which game? |
| 05:03.43 | Shirik | it was called RF Online |
| 05:03.51 | Shirik | everything was so insanely cryptic |
| 05:04.03 | airtonix | oh, i thought you were going to say Aion |
| 05:04.08 | airtonix | would have made sense |
| 05:04.09 | Neffi | That conjured images of people pointing remotes at their computers to browse "online" |
| 05:04.15 | Shirik | like an item name would be something like bfb50c_7fff0000 |
| 05:04.20 | Shirik | so that's how you would spawn it |
| 05:04.27 | Shirik | not by, I dunno, USING ITS NAME |
| 05:04.29 | Neffi | wtf |
| 05:04.39 | Shirik | and log files |
| 05:04.40 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:04.49 | Neffi | np pretty GUI? |
| 05:04.53 | Iriel | Shirik: that would at least address the problem when items have similar (or the same) name |
| 05:04.54 | kullervo | Shirik: I don't think the WoW GMs spawn items by their name either |
| 05:04.57 | Shirik | like there was actually a degree of sanity to it |
| 05:05.07 | Neffi | Did they have you digging around the SQL too |
| 05:05.15 | Shirik | that code means "bellato force boots, level 50 intense, 7 slots, 4 ignorant talics in it" |
| 05:05.39 | Neffi | "level 50 intense" |
| 05:05.48 | Neffi | This was not English-native, was it? |
| 05:05.51 | Shirik | no |
| 05:05.58 | Shirik | it was a korean game originally |
| 05:06.13 | Kaylin | what's an ignorant talic? |
| 05:06.15 | kullervo | that explains a lot |
| 05:06.21 | Shirik | imagine gems in wow |
| 05:06.22 | Neffi | It's funny how some different languages map into English when translated |
| 05:06.28 | Neffi | At least, when not translated well |
| 05:06.34 | Shirik | an ignorant talic increases something that translates to ability power |
| 05:07.04 | Neffi | I think somebodu here might like this: http://i.imgur.com/Q3cUg29.gif |
| 05:07.11 | Shirik | each item potentially had slots to upgrade the item |
| 05:07.18 | Shirik | and then your item could blow up when trying to upgrade :D |
| 05:07.38 | Neffi | Also I'm on the hunt for another MMO to fuck around in for a few months. Any suggestions that aren't Rift? |
| 05:07.56 | Shirik | Wildstar |
| 05:08.05 | Shirik | unfortunately it's not released yet |
| 05:08.07 | Neffi | Also, that aren't TERA |
| 05:08.14 | Neffi | >_> |
| 05:08.21 | Shirik | Wildstar is going to be an amazing game |
| 05:08.33 | Torhal | Shirik: AddOn system is so nice. |
| 05:08.35 | Neffi | I'm probably hopping on the ESO bandwagon, so I'm really just looking for something to play for right now |
| 05:08.53 | Shirik | The combat system is what drew me in |
| 05:09.35 | Iriel | I'm annoyed that wildstar goes on about the beta but then never actually invites me |
| 05:09.39 | Neffi | Oh, and something with some decent PvP in it, in any form. |
| 05:12.45 | Shirik | IKR IRIEL |
| 05:13.10 | Shirik | supposedly there's another batch coming out in a few days |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik | but I haven't gotten my hopes up |
| 05:13.35 | Cairenn | ditto |
| 05:13.50 | Shirik | in other news |
| 05:14.28 | Iriel | They're missing out - we'd all be assets to a beta program |
| 05:15.03 | Shirik | I have something you all don't have |
| 05:15.04 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/823cd1a75e3a029a6b8435f59e6c9fe6 |
| 05:15.19 | Neffi | Anyone here play Firefall? Thoughts? |
| 05:15.35 | airtonix | Shirik: wat it's made by ncsoft |
| 05:15.43 | airtonix | Shirik: man they suck at making mmo |
| 05:15.49 | kullervo | Neffi: I checked it out last night, been checking every few months |
| 05:16.18 | airtonix | Torhal: are you saying that wildstar has an addon system? |
| 05:16.44 | kullervo | there's more progression in crafting stuff, and I think instances too |
| 05:17.00 | Shirik | they've announced it will airtonix |
| 05:17.24 | Torhal | airtonix: Indeed. It's soooooo nice, too. |
| 05:17.40 | Torhal | It washes cars and does dishes. |
| 05:17.50 | Neffi | kullervo: Have you played it? |
| 05:18.17 | airtonix | oh building |
| 05:18.18 | airtonix | nice |
| 05:18.18 | kullervo | Neffi: just some random events |
| 05:19.31 | kullervo | pvp was very popular at one point but the balance was shit so the devs removed it for the time being, quoting poor popularity as the reason |
| 05:20.07 | Neffi | lol? |
| 05:20.10 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:20.25 | Shirik | Shirik |
| 05:20.33 | kullervo | the frame progression has since been completely revamped |
| 05:21.52 | Neffi | Looking for something that isn't really anything like WoW |
| 05:22.22 | kullervo | Firefall really isn't since it has completely different mechanics and no levels |
| 05:22.47 | kullervo | it's in open beta now, so why don't you give it a try |
| 05:23.00 | airtonix | Shirik: so where is the info about that ? |
| 05:23.07 | Neffi | possibly |
| 05:27.30 | Torhal | airtonix: http://www.wildstar-online.com/en/news/wildstar_wednesday_yes_well_have_ui_addons.php |
| 05:27.41 | Torhal | WYSIWYG XML frames. |
| 05:27.43 | phelps | im going to say its impossible to give a good estimate on mobs with less than 2m HP |
| 05:29.10 | Fisker | Fisker |
| 05:29.14 | Fisker | you're right Shirik |
| 05:29.15 | Fisker | it works |
| 05:31.33 | Shirik | I think you're lying |
| 05:31.53 | Fisker | I certainly am |
| 05:31.56 | Fisker | But you cannot stop me |
| 05:32.51 | kullervo | phelps: depends on your dps |
| 05:33.16 | kullervo | for a lvl 40 group fighting in Zul'Aman, you could give a completely reasonable estimate |
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| 05:33.24 | phelps | haha |
| 05:33.37 | phelps | well, just doing the isle dailies |
| 05:33.40 | phelps | its off |
| 05:33.54 | kullervo | no kidding |
| 05:33.55 | phelps | (not that it matters there, just something I noticed) |
| 05:34.31 | phelps | I thought maybe if I lowered the sample size from 20 to 5 it would change but nah |
| 05:34.37 | kullervo | you're killing the elites in <20s anyway |
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| 05:34.54 | phelps | in LFR testing it it was pretty spot on |
| 05:35.24 | kullervo | won't BL etc at start inflate the numbers? |
| 05:35.47 | phelps | some yeah, but it uses only the DPS for the last 5 seconds or so |
| 05:35.55 | kullervo | I see |
| 05:36.07 | phelps | so its more of a "current dps" over "all dps" |
| 05:36.35 | kullervo | huh I wonder what my wow client just did |
| 05:36.51 | phelps | I have an option to change it from current to average, it doesn't make that big of a difference |
| 05:36.57 | kullervo | character log in took ages and my case fans turned on, implying high CPU use |
| 05:37.11 | phelps | huh |
| 05:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | botnet |
| 05:37.49 | phelps | something I noticed a while back, on os x when you use the voice dictate function it turns the fans off |
| 05:37.52 | phelps | pretty neat |
| 05:38.01 | kullervo | until your CPU burns |
| 05:38.27 | phelps | they turn back on after ~15 seconds |
| 05:38.52 | kullervo | and your CPU can burn in ~3 |
| 05:39.00 | phelps | I'd hope not |
| 05:39.57 | kullervo | ofc you probably wouldn't have any very heavy stuff going on at the same time |
| 05:40.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably thermally controlled |
| 05:40.30 | kullervo | yeah that would make sense |
| 05:40.36 | kullervo | I should be getting some sleep |
| 05:40.45 | Mr_Rabies | if cpu_temp <= 50c, do this, etc |
| 05:41.29 | phelps | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19145606/Screenshots/k9o3.png |
| 05:41.39 | phelps | turns the fans off with those temps |
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| 05:41.56 | kullervo | btw this reminded me, a friend of mine can't run the OCCTPT test software at small dataset because his cooling system simply can't react fast enough |
| 05:42.42 | kullervo | I've got the same cooler as him (NH-D14) but my air intake is from the back of the case and exhaust at top, and it's still only barely enough |
| 05:48.15 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 05:48.38 | Mr_Rabies | i think if you've got a case fan smaller than 120mm you probably should get a new case :p |
| 05:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | i've got like, 3 intake 120s and 3 outlet 120s :p |
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| 05:54.15 | Neffi | Node 304's got 92mm fans and I would buy the shit out of it |
| 05:55.32 | Mr_Rabies | well, for mini-itx that's roughly equivalent |
| 06:00.39 | Dagmar | You should crank them all up and see what kind of thrust you can get |
| 06:01.14 | Dagmar | You could even put it on wheels and race it against a Blade Center |
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| 06:01.24 | Fisker | changes everything |
| 06:01.39 | Dagmar | Of course, I think the BladeCenter would probably win. I've dried my hair behind one before. |
| 06:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | i once bought a 92mm fan so powerful it could blow itself across a table quickly enough to disconnect itself |
| 06:02.39 | Dagmar | The BladeCenter has six 120mm fans, which blow like fucking jets |
| 06:02.57 | Dagmar | SOmething to do with needing to keep 16-18 daughter nodes cooled in a 10u space |
| 06:03.28 | Mr_Rabies | i gave it to a friend because the torque caused the whole case to vibrate violently |
| 06:03.37 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 06:03.46 | Dagmar | There's a job for a pwm controller right there |
| 06:03.49 | Shirik | every time someone sends me a 9PM encrypted email with subject that says "urgent" |
| 06:03.53 | Shirik | and nothing else |
| 06:03.56 | Mr_Rabies | it was an old thermaltake tornado i think? |
| 06:04.01 | Mr_Rabies | back in 2004-2005? |
| 06:04.05 | Shirik | I want to chuck them out a window |
| 06:04.06 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's the new malware. :) |
| 06:04.12 | Dagmar | Go ahead and click on it. |
| 06:04.14 | Dagmar | Click on it lots. |
| 06:04.15 | Shirik | I can't open encrypted emails from home |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik | they deserve to not get an answer |
| 06:04.40 | Dagmar | Well, if it holds all your documents for ransom, you were warned. ;) |
| 06:04.41 | Fisker | :) |
| 06:05.02 | Fisker | Every time someone sends me encrypted mail I have to use a shit applet to view it |
| 06:05.04 | Fisker | or delete it |
| 06:05.13 | Fisker | or have it laying in my inbox as the first item |
| 06:05.17 | Fisker | dicks |
| 06:07.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:07.33 | Shirik | red sox win |
| 06:07.40 | Shirik | umass tweets https://twitter.com/UMassAmherst/status/395757694843228160 |
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| 06:18.44 | airtonix | Iriel: is the cogwheel minecraft server still running? |
| 06:18.59 | Iriel | airtonix: Yes - we did a server reset for 1.7 on Friday |
| 06:19.05 | Iriel | The old world's still on another port tho. |
| 06:19.16 | Iriel | minecraft.cogwheel.info for the server, overviewer.iriel.org for the maps |
| 06:19.33 | airtonix | nice! mind if join? |
| 06:20.21 | Iriel | You're still whitelisted |
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| 06:21.56 | Iriel | (which is to say, by all means) |
| 06:22.42 | Sintacks | server information is back in RealID |
| 06:24.20 | airtonix | Iriel: cogwheel3? you guys did all this since last week? |
| 06:24.30 | Iriel | cogwheel4 is the new one |
| 06:24.34 | Iriel | cogwheel3 is the old one |
| 06:24.46 | Iriel | I haven't updated the website yet |
| 06:24.54 | Iriel | http://overviewer.iriel.org/cograil4/#/20/64/324/-7/0/0 |
| 06:24.58 | Fisker | cogwheel is not a number but a free man |
| 06:25.02 | airtonix | some nice structures there |
| 06:25.22 | Iriel | It's one port higher than default (25566), but still version 1.6.4 |
| 06:25.47 | Iriel | The new one's on the default port (25565) and version 1.7.2 |
| 06:26.19 | Fisker | gerundive |
| 06:27.05 | airtonix | oh lol, spawn is in a mesa biome? |
| 06:27.22 | Iriel | It's not, though we came close.. I have plans for the mesa tho. |
| 06:27.29 | Iriel | the spawn is in a Taiga biome |
| 06:27.39 | Iriel | http://overviewer.iriel.org/cograil4/#/-188/64/-99/-1/0/0 |
| 06:27.41 | Iriel | That's the spawn |
| 06:28.17 | Iriel | There's another mesa about 4KM to the north of "mine" as well. |
| 06:30.27 | Neffi | There's something I still don't get |
| 06:30.33 | Neffi | What is the objective of this game? |
| 06:30.42 | Fisker | survive |
| 06:30.46 | Neffi | I've seen all sorts of crazy screenshots and videos, and I never got that |
| 06:30.54 | Neffi | Survive what? Legos? |
| 06:31.06 | Fisker | monsters |
| 06:31.27 | Neffi | I'm gonna end up having to play this damn game |
| 06:31.48 | Fisker | buy it |
| 06:32.15 | Neffi | Ehhh |
| 06:32.31 | Neffi | If I had the extra $20, I'd be buying a decent meal for once |
| 06:32.36 | Neffi | I thought it was free |
| 06:32.43 | Fisker | no |
| 06:33.17 | Fisker | you might still be able to play the old browser version for free |
| 06:34.49 | Iriel | Neffi: the objective is sort of self-directed, Our objective tends to be to build infrastructure and make cool buildings (often quite large) and travel networks etc. |
| 06:34.52 | Iriel | There are monsters |
| 06:35.00 | Iriel | So you also try not to die |
| 06:35.24 | Neffi | So it's like one huge meta sandbox? |
| 06:35.28 | Iriel | Pretty much yes |
| 06:35.32 | Iriel | with some interesting mechanics |
| 06:35.44 | Iriel | (Redstone circuitry, for example) |
| 06:35.50 | Neffi | As fun as that sounds, I'm not parting with $20 |
| 06:36.25 | Fisker | should've bought it when it was half :D |
| 06:36.40 | Neffi | Maybe I'll buy it in a few months |
| 06:37.29 | bluspacecow | there's a night phase where monsters come out |
| 06:37.40 | bluspacecow | creepers that are like ninja nuclear bombs |
| 06:37.48 | bluspacecow | and mines to explore (and not die in) |
| 06:39.07 | Neffi | I do like exploring |
| 06:39.23 | Iriel | Neffi: Check your PM's |
| 06:40.12 | Sintacks | lfm flex 3 (horde) dps and heals |
| 06:41.16 | Fisker | hey Cairenn |
| 06:41.24 | Cairenn | Hey Fisker |
| 06:42.00 | Fisker | when you got the option for a custom URL on g+ where was it? |
| 06:42.25 | Cairenn | Got an email from them. They seem to be rolling it out in batches. |
| 06:42.31 | Fisker | you didn't just buy it for him Iriel ? |
| 06:42.34 | Fisker | ah k |
| 06:42.43 | bluspacecow | rolling which out in batches |
| 06:42.56 | Fisker | your rolling pin |
| 06:42.57 | bluspacecow | i read that as rolling it out in bitches for some reason |
| 06:42.59 | bluspacecow | i sleepy |
| 06:43.13 | bluspacecow | or witches |
| 06:43.19 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.33 | Fisker | we definitely roll with the bitches |
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| 06:47.22 | Iriel | sleeps! |
| 06:47.43 | Torhal | duct-tapes bluspacecow to a female dog and has it do a barrel roll. |
| 06:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | lol this is the best spam "It has come to our attention that you are trying to sell your personal World of Warcraft account Diablo III (s)" |
| 06:48.49 | nevcairiel | i've always wondered why they cant at least make the spam half-believable |
| 06:48.54 | nevcairiel | its always so extremely wrong |
| 06:49.12 | Mr_Rabies | then at the bottom, it has a "mini wow cd key" |
| 06:49.12 | Mr_Rabies | what |
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| 06:49.30 | Mr_Rabies | well, the reason is, nevcairiel, in some cases, at least |
| 06:49.42 | Mr_Rabies | they'd rather scam stupid people, and the more stupid the better |
| 06:49.49 | Mr_Rabies | the smart ones can make their jobs harder |
| 06:49.56 | nevcairiel | less chance the stupid will fight back, eh? |
| 06:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | so they'd rather just get the bottom of the barrel, that's enough to meet their goals apparently |
| 06:51.24 | Dagmar | The people most likely to fall for it _with_ the misspellings are generally dumb enough to be very likely candidates, actually |
| 06:51.29 | Dagmar | It screens out the intelligent people |
| 06:52.44 | nevcairiel | still seems like a odd business strategy |
| 06:53.02 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 06:53.07 | nevcairiel | but i suppose some dumb people will always go for it |
| 06:53.11 | nevcairiel | or they wouldnt do it anymore |
| 06:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | how do i comment out lines of code in wow's implementation of lua? i checked out another addon and it seemed to use "--" |
| 06:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | is that accurate? |
| 06:55.06 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 06:55.16 | nevcairiel | but thats not wow-lua, thats just lua :P |
| 06:55.29 | Mr_Rabies | well, just wanted to cover it incase there were differences :p |
| 06:55.31 | nevcairiel | its really not that different to vanilla lua =p |
| 06:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't know crap |
| 06:55.41 | Mr_Rabies | about coding anything :X |
| 06:56.02 | nevcairiel | there are also block comments like --[[ foo ]] which can go over multiple lines |
| 06:56.12 | Mr_Rabies | i had Semlar help me with an addon to increase the buffs per row but it's throwing...a lot of errors because the game doesn't want me to set that cvar |
| 06:56.32 | Mr_Rabies | so i'm just commenting that line out for now |
| 06:57.03 | Mr_Rabies | 7102x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "SemlarMapCoords" tried to call the protected function "Boss1TargetFrame:SetPoint()" |
| 06:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 06:57.41 | Semlar | uh oh, have i happened to someone again? |
| 06:58.04 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | you told me ahead of time the game wasn't gonna like it, i'm not blaming you |
| 06:58.28 | Semlar | what did that even taint |
| 06:58.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's honestly not really effecting gameplay at all |
| 06:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | which is kind of impressive |
| 06:58.56 | Mr_Rabies | it just yells at me enough that i figure i might as well try it the old way again |
| 06:59.02 | nevcairiel | most of these things dont affect gameplay, just spam errors |
| 06:59.06 | Semlar | i thought that just displayed your coordinates on the map |
| 06:59.22 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, and that works perfect, but you helped me sneak in another feature :p |
| 06:59.28 | Semlar | oh lawd |
| 06:59.35 | Mr_Rabies | which was BUFFS_PER_ROW = 12 |
| 06:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:59.47 | Semlar | right well THAT would taint the crap out of everything |
| 07:00.00 | Mr_Rabies | actually, nothing gameplay wise |
| 07:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | i can right click buffs in combat to remove them and everything |
| 07:00.34 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish there was a buff addon that acted pretty much like the default UI but let you set the space they're allowed to take up |
| 07:00.40 | Semlar | i wonder if it would be beneficial to use setfenv here |
| 07:01.01 | Semlar | probably not |
| 07:01.18 | Semlar | since the value is being changed |
| 07:01.24 | Mr_Rabies | even with consolidated buffs i just have way too many |
| 07:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | omen of clarity, two trinkets, my legendary meta gem, cloak, my weapon proc, dream of cenarius, savage roar, etc |
| 07:02.21 | Mr_Rabies | my glove tinker proc |
| 07:02.37 | Semlar | not particularly useful is it |
| 07:03.13 | Mr_Rabies | but i've yet to find a buff addon that does what i want |
| 07:03.21 | Mr_Rabies | too many rely on space-wasting bars, etc |
| 07:03.46 | Semlar | i've never seen the appeal of the horizontal buff timers |
| 07:03.55 | Mr_Rabies | i'll have 3 rows of buffs generally in combat |
| 07:04.01 | Mr_Rabies | and it's enough to make the debuff frame jump around |
| 07:04.08 | Semlar | it seems like a ridiculous amount of space to dedicate to them |
| 07:04.11 | Mr_Rabies | as it swaps between 2 and 3 rows |
| 07:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | which makes watching debuffs a pain |
| 07:05.10 | Semlar | i could probably eliminate almost every buff from my bar without losing much information |
| 07:05.44 | Mr_Rabies | i gotta watch savage roar |
| 07:05.50 | Mr_Rabies | other than that it's almost entirely procs |
| 07:06.52 | Semlar | i don't think you can filter them and retain the ability to click them off |
| 07:07.01 | Semlar | not that that's hardly ever an issue |
| 07:08.07 | nebula169 | Mr_Rabies: Bison |
| 07:08.08 | Semlar | although you could set the alpha of everything you didn't care about to 0 |
| 07:08.29 | Mr_Rabies | super out of date, nebula169 :| |
| 07:08.36 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Feral? Honestly I primarily use "self-only" buffs |
| 07:08.47 | Neffi | Anything I cast on myself is all that's shown on my primary buff area |
| 07:08.57 | nebula169 | as in doesn't work? i used it for a long time, but just make do with default now |
| 07:09.08 | Neffi | For friendly targets, only buffs I cast are shown. On enemies, only debuffs I cast |
| 07:09.13 | bluspacecow | omg |
| 07:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | i just refuse to use anything that's not at least from this expansion |
| 07:09.21 | bluspacecow | my star command save is a year old |
| 07:09.23 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 07:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | no telling when it'll break |
| 07:09.30 | nebula169 | didn't do consolidated buffs, haven't really see any third-party buff addon do consolidated |
| 07:09.41 | Semlar | there's really no telling when anything'll break, i wouldn't worry too much about how old it is |
| 07:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | and i don't wanna get used to it and then have to do without |
| 07:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 07:09.59 | Mr_Rabies | if it breaks and it's new enough |
| 07:10.16 | Mr_Rabies | either the author may fix it, or someone else will develop an alternative, because more people use it |
| 07:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | but if it's updated in 2011 and it breaks...welp |
| 07:10.40 | Mr_Rabies | no one will likely fix it |
| 07:11.50 | Mr_Rabies | the only addon i let myself use that's old is just too great to do without, and it'll reallly suck when i have to |
| 07:12.30 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/candystripehealth |
| 07:12.45 | Mr_Rabies | aw, the screenshots are broken |
| 07:13.06 | Semlar | well this image is pointing to localhost |
| 07:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | but it basically makes all health frames, including the raid frames, etc, do a barberpole-esque animation when they're under a threshold you set |
| 07:13.31 | Semlar | i may be blocking the domain |
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| 07:14.10 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish there was something more modern that did something similar |
| 07:14.21 | Mr_Rabies | it helps me know when i'm in execute range on all of my characters |
| 07:15.28 | Semlar | my execute ability flips out when it's enabled |
| 07:15.51 | Semlar | no need to watch the health |
| 07:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | most of my characters only have things that change at a certain hp |
| 07:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | not actually activate |
| 07:16.55 | Mr_Rabies | for example, here it is active on a random mob in vale |
| 07:16.55 | Semlar | there's no indicator? |
| 07:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 07:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/r48gCXU.jpg |
| 07:17.12 | Mr_Rabies | and it animates |
| 07:17.39 | Mr_Rabies | it works on just about any health bar and turns out 25% hp is a good number to flash friendly health bars at too |
| 07:18.02 | Mr_Rabies | for me to slap tranquility or throw an emergency HT |
| 07:18.36 | tzarc | man, I really should simplify my UI at some point |
| 07:18.50 | phelps | default UI forevva |
| 07:19.06 | Semlar | the default ui is terrible i'm just too lazy to change it |
| 07:19.08 | tzarc | nah I crave info |
| 07:19.16 | Mr_Rabies | honestly |
| 07:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | i have problems with a lot of addons not providing the info i need |
| 07:19.40 | Mr_Rabies | like, i've yet to find a unit frame that provides as much info as the default UI in as compact of a space |
| 07:19.51 | tzarc | http://i.imgur.com/aQ3TUXJ.jpg <== as "clean" as my UI's get |
| 07:19.59 | Semlar | snowflakes |
| 07:20.26 | Mr_Rabies | oh god so much wasted screen real-estate :( |
| 07:20.43 | tzarc | ok, I'll show you the one with all my auras active |
| 07:20.47 | tzarc | here we go |
| 07:20.51 | Mr_Rabies | also are the boss health frames supposed to be attached to the quest tracker frame or has something gone horribly wrong with my UI? |
| 07:20.57 | tzarc | http://i.imgur.com/2ya9ShG.jpg |
| 07:21.04 | tzarc | grins evilly |
| 07:21.06 | Mr_Rabies | oh jesus |
| 07:21.16 | Semlar | i have no idea what they're attached to |
| 07:21.23 | tzarc | good thing 95% of it won't be running at any one time |
| 07:21.33 | Mr_Rabies | are you recreating greatful dead concerts with your wow ui, tzarc |
| 07:21.45 | tzarc | lol |
| 07:21.46 | phelps | hahaha |
| 07:21.50 | Mr_Rabies | er grateful |
| 07:22.09 | tzarc | first shot is more common during gameplay ;) |
| 07:22.10 | Semlar | replace the snowflakes with bears |
| 07:22.23 | phelps | dancing bears |
| 07:22.31 | tzarc | find me a texture I can load into weakauras, and sure |
| 07:22.33 | Mr_Rabies | mine barely changes ingame |
| 07:22.45 | Mr_Rabies | i get the built in weakaura dealios and dbm bars |
| 07:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | which i really wish i could find a better way of showing |
| 07:22.54 | tzarc | snowflakes are activated depending on whatever criteria I set them to... got like ~200 auras |
| 07:23.01 | tzarc | like I said |
| 07:23.04 | tzarc | need to simplify it |
| 07:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | those bars are such a waste of screen space, but i can't think of any other implementation |
| 07:23.14 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/wRAkqYv.jpg sexy ui |
| 07:23.38 | tzarc | well I made a new set that have just two numbers right over my character, 100->0 for HP and mana |
| 07:23.52 | Mr_Rabies | it hurts usssss |
| 07:23.54 | tzarc | trying to retrain myself to look at those instead |
| 07:24.11 | tzarc | ugh |
| 07:24.22 | tzarc | sometimes I think I should just wipe the damn thing and start over |
| 07:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm super happy with my UI |
| 07:25.20 | Mr_Rabies | lemme see if i can get into a celestial or ordos raid to see what it looks like in combat |
| 07:25.21 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.55 | tzarc | what's the addon mid-right, just above centerline? |
| 07:26.01 | tzarc | the one with the adds listing |
| 07:26.05 | Semlar | oh |
| 07:26.25 | Semlar | that's a mod i wrote to track what i'm in combat, combat length, abilities and such |
| 07:26.31 | tzarc | ah ok |
| 07:27.30 | Semlar | originally it was this http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/bestiary/ but some guy was like "hey this already exists" so i stopped uploading updates |
| 07:27.33 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.36 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 07:28.20 | tzarc | lol, "you update this yet?" 3years after saying it's abandoned |
| 07:28.26 | tzarc | smart cookie! |
| 07:28.50 | Semlar | yeah that was my friend trying to get me to update it on curse so he didn't have to get my copy |
| 07:29.01 | Semlar | >_> |
| 07:29.01 | tzarc | lol fair enough |
| 07:29.14 | bluspacecow | Man every female characters I see in comics all have lip stick on |
| 07:29.29 | Semlar | how else would you know |
| 07:29.33 | tzarc | I had had the same sort of thought as far as registering a list of mobs active on combatlog |
| 07:29.36 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 07:29.41 | tzarc | never got the chance to implement it due to work :( |
| 07:29.47 | bluspacecow | so if ther's ever a question if a toon is a girl or boy |
| 07:29.50 | bluspacecow | check for lipstick |
| 07:29.52 | bluspacecow | gotcha |
| 07:30.04 | Fisker | ARE YOU A BOY OR ARE YOU A GIRL? |
| 07:30.09 | Semlar | well if it makes you feel any better it's only like halfway implemented |
| 07:30.11 | Fisker | shakes bluspacecow violently |
| 07:30.29 | bluspacecow | i can be anything you want me to be baby |
| 07:30.41 | Mr_Rabies | bluspacecow, i think cliff chiang made me realize how much i dig lipstick that isn't one of the standard shades |
| 07:31.16 | tzarc | not too fussed either way, arguably I should be barred from installing any more addons anyway :P |
| 07:31.54 | Semlar | you also can't close it, the ability bar is permanently on the screen |
| 07:32.46 | Semlar | it needs a slash command or something |
| 07:33.30 | tzarc | ahhh but that requires effort |
| 07:33.38 | Semlar | correct |
| 07:34.02 | tzarc | precisely the reason I can never be bothered doing my own past a couple of patches |
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| 07:34.36 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.42 | Semlar | waaaaaaaaay back in wrath |
| 07:35.01 | Semlar | the icons are warnings for things like cleaves, aoes and stuns |
| 07:35.15 | tzarc | mmm, I'm generally not a fan of icons for some reason |
| 07:35.17 | tzarc | no idea why |
| 07:35.42 | tzarc | tend to use colours so I don't need to look at them I guess |
| 07:35.51 | tzarc | use periphery or whatnot |
| 07:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/L4kptLn.jpg |
| 07:36.36 | Mr_Rabies | there's some in-combat |
| 07:36.41 | Semlar | i don't know how you see anything through all that periphery in your screenshot |
| 07:37.01 | tzarc | lol, it never happens that bad |
| 07:37.11 | tzarc | that was me just activating each and every weakaura |
| 07:39.11 | tzarc | lemme go see if an ordos is going |
| 07:39.37 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.49 | tzarc | ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah |
| 07:41.14 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:43.59 | Semlar | i need to figure out why my scrollframe-based health bars are not displaying correctly |
| 07:45.11 | tzarc | as expected, no ordos group at all |
| 07:46.07 | Mr_Rabies | what do you have against lipstick, bluspacecow? http://www.cliffchiang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Wonder-Woman-1.jpg |
| 07:47.06 | bluspacecow | nothing it's just a little unrealistic to think all women wear it |
| 07:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | there are plenty that don't, i'm sure, but it is pretty common, to be fair |
| 07:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | shiny lips are more appealing visually though, i think |
| 07:48.28 | Mr_Rabies | and comic characters are all about ideals, at least superhero comics |
| 07:49.01 | Mr_Rabies | oh, oh i know one bluspacecow |
| 07:49.43 | bluspacecow | and big boobs XD |
| 07:49.48 | bluspacecow | and rippling muscles |
| 07:49.59 | bluspacecow | *fondles Fisker's rippling muscles* |
| 07:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | alana from saga, bluspacecow |
| 07:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | http://nomoralsanymore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/alana-saga-book.jpg |
| 07:51.24 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't usually wear makeup |
| 07:51.52 | Mr_Rabies | though not a superhero book |
| 07:52.08 | Mr_Rabies | it's a....space opera sci-fi/fantasy...thing |
| 07:52.55 | Semlar | seems like a space opera would be difficult to hear |
| 07:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SzvDfdQK_8c/UQPixklzgwI/AAAAAAAAHHo/YQw65V6fOqI/s1600/SAGA+4_1.jpg |
| 07:54.26 | Mr_Rabies | saga's....different |
| 07:54.27 | Fisker | fondle my big boobs bluspacecow |
| 07:54.28 | Mr_Rabies | to say the least |
| 07:54.37 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 07:56.44 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 07:57.06 | Mr_Rabies | i kind of want to buy the trade paperback of "Sex Criminals" when it comes out but i don't know if i can put that on my shelf |
| 07:57.27 | Mr_Rabies | well, i guess it'll work well with "Message to Adolf" |
| 07:59.08 | Mr_Rabies | sex criminals is a book about two people that find out they can literally stop time when they have sex, so they use it to commit crimes like robbing banks, etc |
| 08:00.21 | Fisker | and people call me weird |
| 08:00.47 | Mr_Rabies | i love weird comics |
| 08:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | my next read is one called orc stain and its...pretty weird too |
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| 08:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | orc....parts are the primary form of currency in Orc Stain |
| 08:04.58 | nevcairiel | of course they are |
| 08:06.33 | Semlar | ah WinDirStat, i can never remember your name |
| 08:07.10 | Mr_Rabies | such a great program |
| 08:08.05 | Semlar | i usually wind up googling pacman harddrive space thing |
| 08:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 08:08.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's how i found out chrome was storing a 13GB log file that it accessed every time i launched it |
| 08:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | that brought my computer to a slideshow everytime chrome was open |
| 08:09.17 | Neffi | Ok, I'll grant you people -- Minecraft is fun |
| 08:09.25 | Semlar | what do you mean "you people" |
| 08:09.45 | Neffi | Minecraft players |
| 08:10.07 | Cairenn | You're granting me people? I can do whatever I want with them? |
| 08:10.27 | Semlar | i see where this is going |
| 08:10.42 | Cairenn | (aka commas matter) |
| 08:11.05 | Neffi | my grammar is not well right now |
| 08:11.11 | Neffi | It's quite sick from sleep depivation |
| 08:11.14 | Cairenn | ;p |
| 08:11.33 | Semlar | i got a solid 3 hours |
| 08:12.04 | Cairenn | I'm just being a smart ass, don't mind me. |
| 08:18.06 | tzarc | here ya go, action shot: http://i.imgur.com/c4g2Xfo.jpg |
| 08:19.11 | tzarc | slightly more usable than the last, no? :P |
| 08:20.30 | Fisker | smart ass is improper grammar Cairenn |
| 08:20.38 | Fisker | :D |
| 08:20.43 | Cairenn | hehhehehe |
| 08:25.26 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 08:25.34 | bluspacecow | Cairenn's ass is very smart |
| 08:25.39 | bluspacecow | it can solve pi to 34 places |
| 08:25.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:26.02 | Semlar | but does it know why kids love cinnamon toast crunch |
| 08:26.13 | bluspacecow | it does ! |
| 08:26.15 | bluspacecow | because! |
| 08:26.19 | bluspacecow | OMNOMNOMNOM |
| 08:27.49 | Semlar | tzarc how big is your monitor |
| 08:27.58 | tzarc | 27 |
| 08:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | there's a marvel comics character named doop, with a backup brain in his butt that lets him speak english, but only when his primary brain is destroyed |
| 08:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ypDr5kU6kE4/UHLtbXdfggI/AAAAAAAAOpM/XcitM6eNsn4/s1600/Doop+&+Howard+The+Duck.jpg |
| 08:29.46 | Fisker | no |
| 08:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doop_(comics) |
| 08:32.02 | Mr_Rabies | just reading this wikipedia article makes me wish i was half as creative as the guys that write these comics :( |
| 08:32.04 | Fisker | no stop |
| 08:32.14 | Semlar | or half as high |
| 08:45.41 | Mr_Rabies | is this you, fisker http://i.imgur.com/l9ZOygV.gif |
| 08:46.08 | Fisker | no Mr_Rabies |
| 08:46.17 | Humbedooh | Mr_Rabies: pardon my french, but you're an asshole |
| 08:46.31 | Mr_Rabies | only sometimes |
| 08:46.55 | Mr_Rabies | (is that a line from ferris bueller's day off because it's been forever since i've seen it |
| 08:47.04 | Humbedooh | yes, yes it is |
| 08:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | also i'm really bad at closing parenthesis and brackets) |
| 08:47.08 | Humbedooh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez-NsShMK74 |
| 08:47.55 | Mr_Rabies | i miss john hughes films :( |
| 08:48.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm too young to really get them in their prime, but i caught the tail end of the subgenre |
| 08:58.08 | Semlar | aw yis new episodes of misfits |
| 09:00.31 | airtonix | is that still going? |
| 09:01.42 | Semlar | so good |
| 09:19.27 | zenzio | so I bought a hoodie over the net... it's nice, it fits... but the zipper is backwards. The slidey thing is on the right side, not the left, so I have to use my left hand to work it :-( |
| 09:20.00 | nevcairiel | isnt it in the middle when you zip it anyway |
| 09:20.45 | zenzio | it's the wrong hand! |
| 09:20.46 | Semlar | i wonder if zipper follow the same gender code as buttons |
| 09:21.03 | Semlar | if so that's a woman's hoodie |
| 09:22.03 | Semlar | they probably just put it on backwards |
| 09:22.37 | Neffi | ---there's a gender code for buttons? |
| 09:22.46 | Semlar | yeah it's super secret though |
| 09:22.49 | Semlar | little known fact |
| 09:22.57 | Semlar | men's buttons are on the right |
| 09:23.02 | Semlar | womens are on the left |
| 09:23.30 | nevcairiel | i still cannot imagine how the zipper can be backwards, once you combine both halves, its in the middle, and all zippers i know can be operated from either side |
| 09:23.36 | Neffi | I'm gonna get that reversed |
| 09:24.05 | karl_w_w | you have to put the loose bit in with 1 hand |
| 09:24.12 | Semlar | well i guess if you don't let go of the tab at the end it might be a little hard to get all the way off |
| 09:24.20 | karl_w_w | so your other hand is the one that operates the zip |
| 09:24.46 | Semlar | i don't really see that being a problem though |
| 09:24.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's supposedly due to one side traditionally doing their own buttons and another having their buttons buttoned by someone else but i can't recall which gender is which |
| 09:25.02 | Semlar | it's not like you can't grab the non-zippered part in your right hand and stuff it into the zipper |
| 09:25.35 | Neffi | Depends heavily on the time period |
| 09:26.31 | karl_w_w | it's probably women's are done by someone else |
| 09:27.09 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/raHv3Pf.gif omg i waant |
| 09:27.31 | Semlar | what is this, a computer for ants? |
| 09:27.42 | nevcairiel | you just need to grow your hands a bit bigger, then you can also have something that looks like that |
| 09:27.45 | karl_w_w | it must be fake |
| 09:28.19 | Neffi | Well definitely |
| 09:28.26 | Neffi | But I still want a real one |
| 09:28.35 | karl_w_w | you can't |
| 09:28.36 | Semlar | the tiny wall outlet |
| 09:28.41 | nevcairiel | but why want that |
| 09:28.43 | nevcairiel | its useless |
| 09:28.45 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
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| 09:28.58 | Semlar | they aren't using the mouse pad ;_; |
| 09:29.06 | bluspacecow | i having a feeling i'm summarising the parental control taint issue wrong here : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10388379469?page=1#19 |
| 09:29.12 | Neffi | Who uses a mouse pad anymore? |
| 09:29.17 | bluspacecow | constructive feedback is appeciated |
| 09:29.20 | bluspacecow | imma go has shower |
| 09:29.23 | nevcairiel | i have a giant mousepad |
| 09:29.30 | karl_w_w | everyone uses a mouse pad |
| 09:29.31 | Semlar | who doesn't use a mousepad |
| 09:29.38 | tzarc | <-- |
| 09:29.42 | Semlar | freak |
| 09:29.44 | Neffi | < |
| 09:29.47 | karl_w_w | the only people who dont use mousepads are people who use mouse mats |
| 09:30.01 | Neffi | Does the bare wood of my desk count? |
| 09:30.09 | Semlar | no |
| 09:30.12 | tzarc | was wondering the same thing |
| 09:30.13 | nevcairiel | i suppose mine counts as a mat |
| 09:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | i use my desk |
| 09:30.32 | Mr_Rabies | my terrible composite board desk with paper glued to it to simulate wood |
| 09:30.37 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:30.47 | Dagmar | If you're still using a mouse pad, please come out of the 90's and meet us halfway in 2007 by purchasing a laser mouse. |
| 09:30.57 | Mr_Rabies | my mouse can track on freakin' glass |
| 09:31.07 | Mr_Rabies | i don't need no stinkin' mousepad |
| 09:31.08 | karl_w_w | i have a laser mouse, it's still better on a mat |
| 09:31.22 | Mr_Rabies | i have like, two ratzpads and one steelseries pad |
| 09:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | but i prefer my desk |
| 09:31.31 | karl_w_w | for one it's about a thousand times easier to keep clear |
| 09:31.35 | nevcairiel | i havent used plastic pads for years |
| 09:31.36 | tzarc | I have three 27" monitors, mousepads aren't big enough for me to track |
| 09:31.40 | Semlar | the fact that my mouse would function perfectly fine on another surface has nothing to do with using a mouse pad |
| 09:31.46 | nevcairiel | tzarc: you havent seen my mouse mat |
| 09:31.47 | Neffi | Some companies do sell cool mousepads that are designed to be ideal tracking surfaces for laser/optical. It makes sense. But honestly, meh. |
| 09:31.59 | tzarc | linky? |
| 09:32.11 | karl_w_w | lol I use about 20% of my mouse mat |
| 09:32.36 | nevcairiel | half my mat hangs down the table to cover the hard corner :p |
| 09:32.52 | Neffi | wtf |
| 09:32.57 | karl_w_w | if you can't track across 3 screens, you're doing accelleration wrong (about as wrong as I am doing spelling) |
| 09:33.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't use mouse acceleration |
| 09:33.23 | Mr_Rabies | i just have high sensitivity |
| 09:33.24 | nevcairiel | pictures dont the mats credit on how large they can be |
| 09:33.29 | nevcairiel | dont do* |
| 09:33.30 | Semlar | i also don't use acceleration mostly because that would be horrible for gaming |
| 09:33.32 | tzarc | 2400dpi + accel + worst case 7680px |
| 09:33.43 | Neffi | nevcairiel: So no picture or link? |
| 09:33.52 | Mr_Rabies | i can cover my whole screen in like, two inches of wrist movement |
| 09:34.04 | Semlar | psh |
| 09:34.05 | tzarc | ....you move?! :P |
| 09:34.05 | karl_w_w | that's a lot :P |
| 09:34.08 | Dagmar | You're ready to draw with MSPaint with that thing |
| 09:34.08 | Semlar | more like 2cm |
| 09:34.24 | nevcairiel | well i can link you something, but still, it doesnt give a real image of how huge it looks on a table in front of you |
| 09:34.26 | Semlar | wait how big is a cm |
| 09:34.30 | nevcairiel | this is what i use right now; http://steelseries.com/products/surfaces/steelseries-qck-heavy |
| 09:34.30 | karl_w_w | 2cm of finger movementr |
| 09:34.36 | Dagmar | About as big as your pointer finger |
| 09:34.37 | karl_w_w | my wrist never mobes |
| 09:34.52 | Semlar | in that case like half a centimeter of mouse movement covers my entire monitor |
| 09:35.05 | Dagmar | Good luck hitting anything |
| 09:35.30 | Semlar | i use an absurdly high sensitivity on my mouse |
| 09:35.53 | karl_w_w | it's about 2cm on mine |
| 09:36.19 | Semlar | but then again i also use multiple monitors and like to be able to span them without moving my wrist |
| 09:36.44 | karl_w_w | my mouse goes up to 6500 dpi, it's nuts |
| 09:36.51 | karl_w_w | i use 1600 though |
| 09:36.52 | Dagmar | If I'm trying to shoot things I drop my res down so it's more like eight inches to cross the screen |
| 09:37.21 | Semlar | i think mine's set to 5500 right now |
| 09:37.27 | karl_w_w | not sure how you shoot things if u cant get them in the scope quickly :P |
| 09:37.38 | Semlar | it goes up to like 9000 |
| 09:37.50 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: I actually move my hand instead of just wildly spraying bullets |
| 09:38.17 | tzarc | just set mine to 5500 |
| 09:38.19 | tzarc | bloody hell |
| 09:38.23 | Semlar | warcraft isn't exactly an fps |
| 09:38.25 | karl_w_w | I'm not sure what that comment is meant to mean |
| 09:38.31 | Semlar | well you also get used to it after a while |
| 09:38.35 | karl_w_w | how do you spray bullets without moving your hand |
| 09:38.37 | tzarc | oh I know |
| 09:38.40 | tzarc | I like it so far |
| 09:38.40 | tzarc | lol |
| 09:38.58 | Semlar | i can't go back to using a slow mouse |
| 09:39.02 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: I make a *lot* of head shots playing FPS |
| 09:39.20 | tzarc | it'll mean I have to figure out how to do the same under X11 at work tho :S |
| 09:40.41 | Semlar | i could definitely not use a slower mouse with a 27 inch monitor like you have |
| 09:41.15 | nevcairiel | luckily any good mouse isnt slow or fast, but has a setting for it! |
| 09:41.24 | Dagmar | nevcariel++ |
| 09:41.43 | nevcairiel | most even a small button on the mouse to adjust it mid-game if need be |
| 09:41.47 | Dagmar | I wouldn't use the same scale for working on the desktop as I do killing people |
| 09:41.55 | tzarc | shitty dell ones at work |
| 09:42.10 | Dagmar | I am absolutely shit at Borderlands 2 when the res is too high |
| 09:42.11 | tzarc | a left button, and a right button, and zomg a scrollwheel |
| 09:42.19 | nevcairiel | i brought my own mouse to work, couldnt stand the cheapo default one |
| 09:42.36 | tzarc | it'll be close to that point if I get used to 4800dpi |
| 09:43.07 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Let's hear it for the CLI! |
| 09:43.45 | tzarc | unfortunately I have to deal with potatoshop half of the day :( |
| 09:43.50 | Semlar | my g9x could be adjusted on the mouse and i never ever used that |
| 09:44.15 | Semlar | it was kind of an inconvenient button though |
| 09:44.43 | Neffi | I disagree |
| 09:45.03 | Neffi | I chose the G9(x) because of its button placement, and loved using the +/- buttons as keybinds |
| 09:45.23 | Semlar | there's just no way i could hit those |
| 09:45.33 | tzarc | had a G9 for the same reason |
| 09:45.37 | Neffi | With your index finger? |
| 09:45.45 | tzarc | ...then got a G600 and rejoiced |
| 09:45.56 | Semlar | i have kind of long fingers i guess |
| 09:46.01 | Neffi | Unqestionably my favorite mouse, if you ignore the build quality of the scrollwheel |
| 09:46.09 | Dagmar | Semlar: Spend a week or two using them to /pet attach and /pet passive. They'll become second nature |
| 09:46.31 | tzarc | ....where do you attach your pet?! :P |
| 09:46.37 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 09:46.41 | Semlar | my g9x doesn't work properly any more so i use something else |
| 09:46.58 | Semlar | i should have just bought another one though |
| 09:47.06 | tzarc | I just wish WoW would accept F13->F24 keybindings :( |
| 09:47.18 | Dagmar | I had my mouse die once the morning of a Naxx run |
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| 09:47.48 | Dagmar | After two fights without those buttons I got my guild to run the next boss without me so I could race my ass to Best Buy to get a replacement |
| 09:47.55 | Dagmar | It felt like I was missing fingers |
| 09:48.46 | Semlar | i played a hunter in bc so i am quite used to using the default keybinds for the pet actions |
| 09:49.19 | Dagmar | I got used to having the button to make my pet run interference for the healer be _right_ under my thumb |
| 09:49.20 | Semlar | there was none of this auto-assist stuff |
| 09:49.22 | karl_w_w | why do you need to change your pet settings so often? |
| 09:49.34 | Semlar | you had to tell your pet to attack |
| 09:49.47 | Dagmar | Karl_w_w: For one thing, you needed to make the pet drop it's aggro list |
| 09:50.07 | Dagmar | Otherwise, when your current target died, the motherfucker would go back to hassling whatever the fuck it hit before, CC or not |
| 09:50.11 | tzarc | pre AoE dmg reduction you had to actually CONTROL your pet positioning |
| 09:50.24 | Semlar | like your pet would move fast enough to not die to anything anyway |
| 09:50.34 | Dagmar | Yeah, and with the pet controls under the thumb, and a pet with dash, you could basically deliver a stun anywhere on the playfield in one cooldown |
| 09:50.35 | Semlar | i hate my stupid pet |
| 09:50.46 | Dagmar | As in, before the current GCB was up |
| 09:50.54 | Dagmar | s/GCB/GCD/ |
| 09:51.10 | Semlar | i could put my pet on passive before the dark shaman even started casting ashen wall and it would still die to it |
| 09:51.13 | nevcairiel | pets seem to be smarter these days, mine seems to even move out of some cone-like effects, moving behind the enemy |
| 09:51.18 | nevcairiel | but maybe it was conincedence |
| 09:51.28 | Dagmar | No, they just get behind the enemy when it stops moving |
| 09:51.47 | nevcairiel | its a tank pet, its not supposed to be behind :P |
| 09:51.54 | nevcairiel | but it helps keep it alive anyway! |
| 09:52.00 | Dagmar | Since they have to stand still for those long casts, there's a suprising number of places where tanks will fail to dodge a cleave, but hunter pets will just casually walk right through the boss to get gehind it in time |
| 09:52.27 | nevcairiel | i noticed that on timeless isle, many mobs there have some slow cone-like casts |
| 09:52.35 | Dagmar | That first tower battle in Wrath with the four columns, it was great |
| 09:52.53 | Dagmar | My gorilla could tank that shit, no problem, just because he'd so casually avoid the big damage sources |
| 09:53.12 | tzarc | my voidy was the same, ezmode leveling |
| 09:53.16 | Semlar | the aoes don't do much to pets but those mobs start doing a crapton of damage if you ignore their cauldrons or molten elementals |
| 09:53.18 | Dagmar | Spec for pet survivability and a druid healer could just roll hots and laugh at all the crit heals |
| 09:54.17 | Dagmar | We also fouond that in every heroic there was one boss meant to be able to one-shot the pet, which just makes for some exciting threat shuffling, but it was doable |
| 09:54.53 | phelps | blerg |
| 09:55.03 | Semlar | in a raid my pet is just a dot and it's retarded that it can die |
| 09:55.04 | Dagmar | it was funny to have a random fifth joining us for heroics and going, "wait, where's the tank? I'm a rogue I can't tank. What the fuck." |
| 09:55.06 | Neffi | phelps: http://i.imgur.com/7qNTrHN.gif |
| 09:55.17 | phelps | lol |
| 09:56.01 | Neffi | I've been cracking up at this GIF for a solid 10 minutes and waiting for a good time to post it |
| 09:56.11 | phelps | hahaha |
| 09:56.14 | phelps | its pretty good |
| 09:56.16 | phelps | saving it |
| 09:57.29 | phelps | keeping up with git is annoying |
| 09:58.08 | phelps | oohh shit thats funny |
| 09:58.35 | phelps | Tower on mac is pretty awesome though, you can commit lines or sections of a files changes |
| 09:58.43 | phelps | I'd have no idea how to do that from the cmd line |
| 09:59.02 | nevcairiel | git add -p |
| 09:59.56 | phelps | but I'd have to go through and look at the diffs |
| 09:59.59 | phelps | to see whats changed |
| 10:00.05 | phelps | <3 my GUI |
| 10:00.20 | nevcairiel | you also have to go through the diffs with your GUI :P |
| 10:00.34 | phelps | well, its GUI'y |
| 10:00.38 | phelps | and fast |
| 10:00.49 | phelps | also colors |
| 10:01.01 | nevcairiel | CLI has colors! |
| 10:01.05 | phelps | LIES |
| 10:01.10 | tzarc | I pump my diffs through vmi |
| 10:01.12 | tzarc | vim |
| 10:01.13 | phelps | ALL OF IT LIES |
| 10:01.32 | phelps | a good friend of mine is a vim users |
| 10:01.50 | tzarc | the rest of the office uses eclipse |
| 10:01.50 | tzarc | ugh |
| 10:01.56 | phelps | ugh |
| 10:02.00 | phelps | I use Chocolat |
| 10:02.12 | phelps | chocolatapp.com |
| 10:02.13 | Dagmar | I can't really fault them for using eclipse |
| 10:02.15 | nevcairiel | for wow addons i just use notepad++ |
| 10:02.20 | airtonix | phelps: how unfortunate for your friend. i hope it heals. |
| 10:02.23 | nevcairiel | for work, i use visual studio :p |
| 10:02.28 | phelps | airtonix: me too :( |
| 10:02.41 | phelps | Xcode and VS2013 |
| 10:02.43 | tzarc | well we run an ancient redhat 3 inside a chroot for our dev environment |
| 10:02.44 | phelps | I hate them both |
| 10:02.46 | tzarc | go figure |
| 10:02.58 | Dagmar | dafuq |
| 10:03.05 | airtonix | wat |
| 10:03.11 | airtonix | why? |
| 10:03.11 | Dagmar | You are seriously still using redhat 3? |
| 10:03.12 | Neffi | why? |
| 10:03.44 | phelps | http://i.imgur.com/JdymcfQ.gif |
| 10:03.46 | Dagmar | Because it's old as fuck |
| 10:04.05 | Neffi | oh dammit |
| 10:04.05 | Dagmar | Doesn't that still have a 2.5 kernel and like gcc 3.0? |
| 10:04.07 | phelps | its stable brah |
| 10:04.09 | Neffi | wait I can still salvage this |
| 10:04.17 | Dagmar | er 2.4 kernel |
| 10:04.23 | Neffi | Dagmar: http://i.imgur.com/7qNTrHN.gif |
| 10:04.27 | Neffi | wait fuck |
| 10:04.29 | phelps | :P |
| 10:04.45 | nevcairiel | you already used that image |
| 10:05.02 | Neffi | I wasted it on phelps =( |
| 10:05.06 | phelps | it's great though |
| 10:05.29 | Dagmar | What in god's name are you developing on that? |
| 10:05.32 | nevcairiel | apparently rhel 3.9 is still in support |
| 10:05.33 | Neffi | It might be my sleep deprived mind, but it won't stop getting funnier to me |
| 10:05.35 | nevcairiel | was curious |
| 10:05.43 | Dagmar | I'm genuinely curious |
| 10:06.29 | Dagmar | Wait, you're talking about RHEL 3 |
| 10:06.47 | nevcairiel | i figured rhel 3 made more sense, rhl 3 is like two decades old |
| 10:07.11 | Dagmar | But still... we have some RHEL 4 boxes I'd like to shoot |
| 10:09.34 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/CD1exYt.gif ... |
| 10:10.04 | Dagmar | Neffi: I don't even |
| 10:10.18 | Dagmar | I guess you _have_ to trust your users on RHEL 3 |
| 10:10.47 | Dagmar | neffi: She's a blonde and she's relubricating the engine |
| 10:10.50 | Dagmar | It's nature's way |
| 10:11.11 | Dagmar | Either that or she needs a smokescreen |
| 10:11.54 | Neffi | Good chance she'll get more than just smoke |
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| 10:12.21 | Dagmar | On the good side of this, you can be sure that GNOME 3 will never, ever wind up on that RHEL 3 server. |
| 10:12.31 | Dagmar | So, that's actually a pretty good plus there. |
| 10:13.11 | Dagmar | $backup_techrep tried to tell us the new client required X11 |
| 10:13.19 | Dagmar | I was like, "we'll see about that" |
| 10:14.18 | tzarc | yeah we still use RH3 |
| 10:14.25 | tzarc | sorry was getting a bite to eat |
| 10:14.49 | tzarc | main workstation is an opensuse, which we have a RH3 inside a chroot for consistent builds |
| 10:14.57 | tzarc | annoying as fuck |
| 10:15.01 | Dagmar | So, your last kernel update was 2007-06? |
| 10:15.12 | tzarc | we have custom kernels |
| 10:15.14 | nevcairiel | if its just a chroot, it doesnt get its own kernel |
| 10:15.18 | tzarc | 2.6.32 is what we're at :S |
| 10:15.21 | Dagmar | Inside a chroot? I hope like fuck you mean inside a VM |
| 10:15.25 | tzarc | nope |
| 10:15.28 | tzarc | chroot |
| 10:15.37 | Dagmar | You can't run a kernel in a chroot |
| 10:15.46 | nevcairiel | thats why it doesnt have one :P |
| 10:15.46 | tzarc | the main machine runs the kernel |
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| 10:15.53 | Dagmar | You're just sockpuppeting their toolchain |
| 10:16.09 | Neffi | That's a weird setup |
| 10:16.11 | tzarc | I'd rather put the toolchain in a toilet |
| 10:16.17 | tzarc | but alas |
| 10:16.53 | Dagmar | You know, RHEL 4 is also basically just bones now, so it would be just as "stable" |
| 10:17.14 | Dagmar | ...and you might even have a chance of generating an ELF binary that could run, I dunno, somewhere else. |
| 10:18.00 | Dagmar | Wait, I know... You work for one of those places that's driven by committee, like Computer Associates, right? |
| 10:18.02 | tzarc | doesn't need to run anywhere else, unfortunately... the dev environment matches the actual hardware's deployment |
| 10:18.06 | tzarc | nah, gaming |
| 10:18.10 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 10:18.14 | Dagmar | More reasonable |
| 10:18.18 | Dagmar | Much |
| 10:18.29 | tzarc | basically, nobody can change shit unless they want to justify it to the government |
| 10:18.31 | Dagmar | You have one giant motherfucker of a core app |
| 10:18.43 | Dagmar | ...and it would be insane to dick around with the OS end |
| 10:18.45 | tzarc | oh I wish it was one giant app |
| 10:18.53 | tzarc | how I fucken wish it was |
| 10:20.06 | tzarc | core logic in one app, graphics in another, crazy home-grown message passing IPC mechanism to tell the other apps to do stuff... the code of dreams |
| 10:20.09 | Dagmar | Well, at least I'm not an admin there |
| 10:20.11 | Dagmar | I would never sleep |
| 10:20.47 | tzarc | the hoops I had to jump through in order to get access to the opengl context |
| 10:20.48 | tzarc | man |
| 10:20.51 | tzarc | crazy |
| 10:21.13 | Dagmar | This is sounding more and more like CA actually |
| 10:21.20 | tzarc | lol |
| 10:21.30 | Dagmar | Dude they ship non-threading mysql binaries |
| 10:21.45 | Dagmar | Like, what... the...fucl |
| 10:21.46 | tzarc | awesome. |
| 10:21.51 | tzarc | that's truly awesome. |
| 10:22.19 | Dagmar | giant fucking database-dependent package, running a non ACID-compliant database, in the most archaic way possible |
| 10:22.25 | Dagmar | ...but built with recent source. |
| 10:22.30 | tzarc | lol |
| 10:22.46 | Dagmar | I was instantly filled with blind hatred when I saw that for myself |
| 10:23.14 | tzarc | it seems quite common that the people in decision making positions just shouldn't be making decisions |
| 10:23.18 | Dagmar | Specifically because no one ever managed to successfully argue the case that they should maybe learn about COMMITT; and multi-threading |
| 10:23.22 | Dagmar | er COMMIT; |
| 10:23.32 | tzarc | *nod* |
| 10:23.49 | Dagmar | I wanted to kill and eat some of their people |
| 10:23.58 | tzarc | we've had a few people decide they want to bolt on design patterns that they read about in the gang of four book |
| 10:24.15 | tzarc | so we've had all these builders and factories pop up that make no fucken sense |
| 10:24.28 | tzarc | but because I'm not at head office I can't get into any discussions saying "wtf" |
| 10:24.41 | tzarc | frustrating as all hell |
| 10:24.47 | Dagmar | So this is design by committee |
| 10:25.01 | tzarc | nah |
| 10:25.03 | tzarc | no design |
| 10:25.08 | tzarc | bandaids on bandaids |
| 10:25.11 | Dagmar | That's just it |
| 10:25.16 | zenzio | design by rand() |
| 10:25.29 | Dagmar | Anyone who wants to make a _change_ winds up having to convince a large number of people, who have such inertia that shit never adapts |
| 10:25.31 | tzarc | nah man |
| 10:25.32 | tzarc | I'm in gaming |
| 10:25.35 | tzarc | we have a proper PRNG |
| 10:25.37 | tzarc | :P |
| 10:25.42 | Dagmar | So you just get hacks upon hacks upon hacks |
| 10:25.46 | zenzio | sorry, design by mt_rand() |
| 10:25.47 | tzarc | yep |
| 10:25.49 | tzarc | that's exactly it |
| 10:26.24 | Dagmar | I can see why you'd say "no design" because it amounts to the same thing |
| 10:26.31 | tzarc | nods |
| 10:26.36 | Dagmar | No one person or group gets to know all of it |
| 10:26.39 | tzarc | sent out an RFC earlier today, no responses |
| 10:27.06 | Dagmar | ...and they have no hope of convincing other departments to move with them |
| 10:27.10 | tzarc | pretty much reaffirms why I don't bother |
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| 10:27.34 | Dagmar | I was kinda breathing fire last year when CA released a patch image to BOXI |
| 10:27.56 | Dagmar | Nearly a year goes by, and they sort of limply mention that they made the installation ISO actually _work_ |
| 10:28.08 | tzarc | lol |
| 10:28.11 | Dagmar | Some walking sack of hammers sent the thing out the door with motehrfucking symlinks |
| 10:28.41 | nebula169 | should have used hardlinks, bitches love hardlinks |
| 10:28.48 | tzarc | we have to do installs using CF cards |
| 10:29.00 | airtonix | real men use nosql |
| 10:29.03 | Dagmar | Like, if you did the installation in ANY way other than accepting the defaults, it would try and invoke a custom binary which was itself a blasphemy against sense, and then _fail_ ebcause it was linked to elf libs that were now just little text files |
| 10:29.06 | tzarc | so I hacked up our BIOS to use USB instead |
| 10:29.20 | tzarc | nobody even thought to try it before |
| 10:29.37 | tzarc | I swear I spend the majority of the day facepalming instead of actually doing productive work |
| 10:29.48 | Dagmar | I was looking at their other patches, and there's a special place in hell for people who change mysql schemas in a patch and assume the credentials are root:root |
| 10:30.00 | airtonix | wat |
| 10:30.03 | zenzio | airtonix: I know one company that tried that out (in that case MongoDB), it was nice enough to use, but painful to optimize for things like searching |
| 10:30.04 | airtonix | ... |
| 10:30.05 | tzarc | but that's a good assumption! |
| 10:30.09 | airtonix | wat |
| 10:30.16 | Dagmar | airtonix: Yes. |
| 10:30.16 | airtonix | wat |
| 10:30.21 | tzarc | and if that doesn't work |
| 10:30.24 | tzarc | try root without a pass |
| 10:30.27 | Dagmar | I did mention I was ready to breath fire and eay babies |
| 10:30.29 | Dagmar | er eat |
| 10:31.03 | airtonix | is there even a good reason for any process to daemonise as root? |
| 10:31.09 | Dagmar | No, man |
| 10:31.18 | tzarc | we run EVERYTHING as root :D |
| 10:31.22 | Dagmar | I mean the fucking mysql root user was named 'root' and they assumed the password would also be 'root' |
| 10:31.48 | zenzio | suddenly there was a rush of breakins in their system, and no-one could understand why? |
| 10:31.53 | Dagmar | More entertaingly, during their install, it creates a user called 'cabi', sets an equally dumassed password, and then grants that all priviledgese |
| 10:31.58 | tzarc | actually if I run a full dev bios on one of the machines, you can telnet with root and no pass |
| 10:32.18 | tzarc | standard setup, with no ability to change it because of ro root |
| 10:32.25 | zenzio | you know shit is bad when Dagmar's grammar deteriorates like that |
| 10:32.32 | Dagmar | So like, hey, fuck stored procedures, let's make MULTIPLE role users with full privs to everything, and use those |
| 10:32.37 | zenzio | I think I'd be punching walls if I was in that situation |
| 10:33.05 | Dagmar | I was fucking livid |
| 10:33.32 | tzarc | like I said, people in decision making positions that shouldn't be making those decisions |
| 10:33.36 | Dagmar | So our procedure for patching this is now basically, "reinstall the entire motherfucking thing, reimport the database backups, and then _resecure the motherfucker_ |
| 10:33.49 | nebula169 | that sounds familar |
| 10:33.58 | nebula169 | versioning dbs are hard |
| 10:35.35 | Dagmar | No, that's nto the problem |
| 10:36.23 | Dagmar | Every patch they issue is either fundamentally stupid and makes needless assumptions about what privileges it needs |
| 10:36.29 | airtonix | doesn't postgres have snapshots? |
| 10:36.35 | Dagmar | Well, it's always that. Who am I kidding |
| 10:37.12 | Dagmar | So, if you actually take steps to patch these things, and say, _add security_ you can't patch |
| 10:37.21 | Dagmar | Not with their patches |
| 10:37.47 | tzarc | so it's intentional? |
| 10:37.58 | Dagmar | That depends on how you look at it. |
| 10:38.05 | tzarc | mmm. |
| 10:38.16 | Dagmar | If you take the point of view that they just don't know better, then it's not intentional |
| 10:38.17 | tzarc | don't know what's worse, really |
| 10:38.42 | tzarc | intentionally leaving it open so you have future access vs. not knowing any better |
| 10:38.47 | tzarc | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:38.49 | Dagmar | It took me, I shit you not, two weeks of calls to technical support to get it through to them that symlnks do not survive in an ISO |
| 10:39.00 | tzarc | but, but... UDF |
| 10:39.33 | Dagmar | Nope. they jsut pointed mkisofs at an ext3 filesystem |
| 10:39.52 | tzarc | yep, that'll work |
| 10:39.55 | Dagmar | Like, My First Failed Live CD Attempt, on a corporate level |
| 10:40.02 | tzarc | ha |
| 10:40.35 | tzarc | I have to use UDF for flash disks to my work PC can read them :( |
| 10:40.39 | Dagmar | One of the things I had to *make* support for was making it use fucking HTTPS |
| 10:41.00 | Dagmar | Tomcat with SSL is not that fucking hard. They just don't bother. |
| 10:41.18 | tzarc | *nod* |
| 10:41.23 | tzarc | did the same thing at my last job |
| 10:41.30 | tzarc | tomcat 5 -> 6 with an SSL upgrade |
| 10:41.32 | nevcairiel | we just never expose tomcat publicly, always some other reverse proxy in fron that deals with that |
| 10:41.38 | Dagmar | So the big fun thing is, that this would be okay if software were meant to be run on an isolated box in a heavily firewalled segment of the network |
| 10:41.48 | Dagmar | What it is? A _network monitoring application_ |
| 10:42.15 | Dagmar | I hate them with the burning passion of a thousand blazing suns |
| 10:42.29 | tzarc | ahh, I used to work at one of your competitors I'd imagine :P |
| 10:42.47 | Dagmar | actually I had to go and hack in ssl directives in all their crap |
| 10:43.03 | Dagmar | It was either that or get very kinky with stunnel |
| 10:44.26 | tzarc | alright, I think I've had enough of a whinge for one night, gonna go run a heroic and head to bed... catch yas later |
| 10:44.34 | Dagmar | Good luck |
| 10:44.58 | tzarc | if it's like the others, I'll end up doing 80% of the dps anyway |
| 10:45.01 | tzarc | shrugs |
| 10:58.34 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.46 | Neffi | 101 |
| 11:00.11 | Neffi | lol* |
| 11:00.28 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 11:03.11 | phelps | Semlar: how do you build the list of units by # ? |
| 11:03.37 | phelps | create a new table with their names as keys and add the total HPs to it ? |
| 11:03.53 | Semlar | more or less |
| 11:03.59 | phelps | my units table currently uses the guid as the key |
| 11:04.22 | Semlar | i'm creating a table to sort them before i display it so it's not indexed with their names |
| 11:04.41 | phelps | sorting is hard :( |
| 11:06.04 | phelps | I've grinded to exalted with the golden lotus writing this |
| 11:06.06 | phelps | haha |
| 11:06.25 | phelps | the upper left side of vale is where I'm testing it |
| 11:06.32 | phelps | lots of stuff close with pretty high HP |
| 11:06.36 | phelps | just happens to give rep |
| 11:07.27 | phelps | also, do you ever sleep |
| 11:07.31 | Semlar | no |
| 11:07.40 | phelps | /highfive |
| 11:07.48 | Semlar | it's a bit of a problem really |
| 11:07.56 | phelps | weed |
| 11:08.01 | phelps | works for me |
| 11:08.20 | Semlar | coffee doesn't seem to be helping |
| 11:09.21 | phelps | if you live where its legal (CO in my case) |
| 11:09.31 | phelps | get a nice indica, makes you sleep |
| 11:10.32 | phelps | but I'm enjoying coffee right now |
| 11:10.46 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure florida has the death penalty |
| 11:11.35 | phelps | you think? |
| 11:11.41 | phelps | you know what they don't have? |
| 11:11.51 | phelps | clean beaches... fuckin nasty |
| 11:12.10 | phelps | CLEAN YOUR BEACH |
| 11:12.17 | Semlar | florida is nothing but beach so i imagine you could find a clean stretch |
| 11:13.06 | phelps | http://i.imgur.com/sHZs4oN.jpg |
| 11:14.19 | phelps | people are waking up, I can tell by the # of users online |
| 11:14.48 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/NsATH.jpg |
| 11:16.25 | phelps | I lul'd too hard |
| 11:16.58 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/CqQlX.png |
| 11:17.16 | Neffi | so much racism |
| 11:17.54 | phelps | lol |
| 11:17.57 | phelps | no one wants a black cat |
| 11:18.22 | Semlar | they won't let you adopt a black cat around halloween |
| 11:18.46 | Neffi | why the fuckj not? |
| 11:19.03 | phelps | damn son, its raining like a mofo |
| 11:19.37 | Semlar | because people kill them for pranks |
| 11:20.20 | Neffi | I don't want to live on this planet anymore |
| 11:21.32 | phelps | http://i.imgur.com/dflAgPm.gif |
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| 11:26.33 | Semlar | we averaged 18 seconds per boss in the last heroic my friend and i were dpsing |
| 11:27.05 | Semlar | and we were the only ones on the meter |
| 11:27.44 | Semlar | that was a fast heroic |
| 11:28.21 | Neffi | 101 |
| 11:34.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.53 | Semlar | the trouble with clearing the place in like 6 minutes is you don't have any cooldowns ready |
| 11:36.58 | Semlar | nah i'm kiddin i have like a 43 second cooldown on bestial wrath |
| 11:37.07 | Semlar | that thing is always active |
| 11:46.16 | Semlar | is there any way to view how many times i've killed a certain rare |
| 11:47.23 | phelps | doubtful, only if you've killed it or not |
| 11:47.35 | phelps | and probably only if its part of an achiv. |
| 11:48.21 | phelps | Semlar: cool nameplates |
| 11:49.15 | Semlar | oh right i was supposed to work on those |
| 11:49.46 | Semlar | i need to figure out why this doesn't work properly with scrollframes |
| 11:50.54 | Semlar | my nameplates use textures for the numbers but i want to make them use font strings so you can change the font |
| 11:51.45 | Semlar | which should work in theory but has some glitchy display issues |
| 11:52.08 | Semlar | i'm not sure it's going to work out with the scrollframes |
| 11:54.26 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.50 | Sintacks | Funkeh` = funkydude? |
| 12:13.03 | Sintacks | that's the fastest ticket responce/fix i've ever seen |
| 12:13.25 | Sintacks | oh wait. nebula169 fixed it |
| 12:13.28 | Sintacks | i think |
| 12:13.36 | nebula169 | ? |
| 12:14.01 | Sintacks | oRA3 difficutly module thing |
| 12:14.08 | nebula169 | oh yea, that was me |
| 12:14.11 | Sintacks | what were you doing to try to be cleaver? |
| 12:14.50 | nebula169 | ace passes the event as the first arg, so i used that to unregister it...except funky rewrote the event handler and didn't pass the event |
| 12:15.10 | Sintacks | lol |
| 12:15.23 | Sintacks | hmm. I could get 50 down, 8 up if i switch to a business account |
| 12:16.24 | Sintacks | would also get port 80 open switching to business |
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| 12:22.15 | Sintacks | still the fastest fix i've ever seen, nebula169 |
| 12:36.19 | karl_w_w | hey Sintacks, do I want a logitech F710? |
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| 12:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Apparently I missed a baseball game last night, who knew? |
| 12:51.49 | karl_w_w | doesn't that happen every week with no regrets? |
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| 12:53.35 | haste | it has happened my entire life, with no regrets! |
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| 12:54.23 | karl_w_w | that's right haste! |
| 12:54.52 | karl_w_w | baseball is for adrenaline junkies |
| 12:55.12 | karl_w_w | cricket is a game for true gentlemen |
| 12:55.19 | karl_w_w | and mathematicians |
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| 13:06.07 | karl_w_w | http://www.hover.ie/ wooo windows 95 |
| 13:07.11 | rid_ | http://pornhubcommentsonstockphotos.tumblr.com/ nice |
| 13:07.15 | stuf | http://www.donmouth.co.uk/web_design/browsermuseum/images/ie3_screen.jpg oh man |
| 13:09.37 | zenzio | good old IE 3.02 |
| 13:19.11 | pompy | so blizz really doesnt wanna tell us who the host and band is this year at blizzcon! lol. |
| 13:39.17 | airtonix | maybe there won't be one? |
| 13:39.50 | bluspacecow | *nibbles on poppy* |
| 13:41.07 | Sintacks | wow. this phish sure is asking for a lot of info |
| 13:41.43 | Sintacks | apple ID, password, full name, dob, address, CC type, number, expire, CVC AND your social security number |
| 13:41.54 | bluspacecow | oh that's me |
| 13:42.01 | bluspacecow | soz |
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| 13:45.05 | Sintacks | and of course after you give them your info, it goes to an actual apple.com url to log in |
| 13:52.48 | VIad | Sintacks: what is the url? |
| 13:53.03 | Sintacks | http://www.baion.com.ar/secure.apple.com.update-your.billing_information.id |
| 13:53.07 | Sintacks | but had some id on the end |
| 13:53.10 | Sintacks | i lost it |
| 13:53.12 | Sintacks | and dleted it already |
| 13:53.20 | Sintacks | and it doesn't go where it's supposed to without the id |
| 13:53.55 | VIad | Sintacks: check if http://dota2giveaway.org works for you (it's phishing) |
| 13:54.14 | Sintacks | Account Disabled |
| 13:54.17 | VIad | good |
| 13:54.23 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:54.38 | Sintacks | http://tcphost.net/templates/tcphost2/images/custom-img-1.png |
| 13:54.41 | Sintacks | with that picture |
| 13:54.42 | VIad | a while ago this surfaced and so many believed it was real lol, was a fake steam login site |
| 13:54.43 | Sintacks | that's .. creepy |
| 13:55.03 | VIad | looks like a model for clothes not domains |
| 13:55.10 | Sintacks | lol |
| 13:55.12 | VIad | anyway - made a spambot to spam them with fake info |
| 13:55.16 | VIad | so they blocked my IP :P |
| 13:55.26 | Sintacks | lolol |
| 13:55.31 | VIad | I timeout when I try to visit the domain hehe |
| 13:55.54 | VIad | I think I spammed them with half a million fake queries |
| 13:56.07 | VIad | before they blocked me |
| 13:56.10 | Torhal | Reported. |
| 13:56.14 | VIad | :P |
| 13:57.00 | VIad | they had a site with "pick an item" then you click it and you see something that looks like the steam openid login site - it's on their domain, so you enter anything and it takes you to the legit steam site but writes down your entry |
| 14:00.17 | karl_w_w | jeez VIad what a white knight |
| 14:00.56 | VIad | I just dislike phishing |
| 14:01.16 | VIad | why not spam them, at least make them work a little |
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| 14:07.11 | karl_w_w | http://pornhubcommentsonstockphotos.tumblr.com/post/64820461713 lol |
| 14:08.13 | Unkle | Happy Halloween, Ladies! I have something to say, it's better to burn out than to fade away! |
| 14:09.25 | karl_w_w | are you saying you're into arson? |
| 14:09.41 | Unkle | I'm saying I'm The Kurgen |
| 14:09.46 | Fisker | Noone until now Lopeppeppy |
| 14:09.50 | Sintacks | i made a new battle.net and gmail once to give that info to a phish to see how long it would take them to access the email. |
| 14:09.57 | Sintacks | but then i forgot the password and couldn't recover it |
| 14:10.22 | karl_w_w | omg how cute |
| 14:10.28 | karl_w_w | I got an email from myspace! |
| 14:10.46 | Sintacks | I've gotten 5 Hearthstone beta keys |
| 14:10.50 | Sintacks | given away 3 |
| 14:10.54 | Sintacks | forgot who i was giving the 5th too ... |
| 14:11.51 | karl_w_w | how did you get that manies? |
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| 14:30.17 | Dagmar | Holly crap I finally got the email |
| 14:31.22 | TC-Work | 'The' email. BUM BUM BUM. |
| 14:35.18 | Unkle | What, a "named" URL for your G+ account? |
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| 14:39.36 | bluspacecow | oh a custom one |
| 14:39.45 | bluspacecow | but you can choose what the name is apparently |
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| 15:01.26 | Maldivia | Unkle: https://support.google.com/plus/answer/2676340?hl=en-GB&topic=2400106 |
| 15:02.15 | Unkle | Maldivia: I was talking to Dagmar, guessing the content of his "The Email" |
| 15:02.32 | Maldivia | ahh :) |
| 15:03.55 | Maldivia | ohh well - now people who don't know what you were referring to, have something to look at :P |
| 15:04.06 | Unkle | :D |
| 15:05.29 | Ackis | I got a chromecast yesterday... I'm not sure if I'm impressed or not |
| 15:07.35 | zenzio | it has cast a shadow of uncertainty on you? |
| 15:08.43 | Ackis | it just seems underwhelming |
| 15:09.23 | TC-Work | It is. |
| 15:09.28 | nevcairiel | i got one as well, and for now its just lacking support, mostly because Google hasnt finished the SDK |
| 15:09.39 | Maldivia | what did you expect for $35? |
| 15:10.02 | nevcairiel | I think it can do great things once we get wide spread support and a more finished SDK |
| 15:13.27 | karl_w_w | half an hour, Maldivia |
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| 15:17.02 | Ackis | I love the netflix support, that was something I really needed (upstairs TV, no cable, and we didn't want a console up there for netflix) but I thought it would do more... what more? I don't know but I was hoping ultraviolet |
| 15:17.19 | nevcairiel | by itself it doesnt do shit |
| 15:17.24 | nevcairiel | its just a receiver for a video stream |
| 15:17.51 | Ackis | yeah I didn't realize that when I grabbed it... I blame Stanzilla |
| 15:19.03 | nevcairiel | too bad they dont have a SDK yet to stream video from arbitrary applications, only from android/ios or chrome tabs |
| 15:19.13 | nevcairiel | i would like to embed it into a few normal PC apps |
| 15:19.13 | Stanzilla | Ackis: hot |
| 15:19.59 | TC-Work | You should grab it more Ackis |
| 15:20.21 | Ackis | Stanzilla: you posted that you got one on facebook, I got all excited and got one for myself just to be like you :( |
| 15:20.41 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 15:21.14 | TC-Work | That will teach you to want to be like Stanzilla. |
| 15:21.33 | nevcairiel | these things are so cheap that you can hardly do anything wrong |
| 15:21.44 | TC-Work | except spend your money on them. |
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| 15:21.51 | Ackis | the cheapness fades away when you have to import the damn thing |
| 15:22.10 | nevcairiel | TC-Work: but not much money! |
| 15:22.15 | nevcairiel | which is the point :P |
| 15:22.21 | Unkle | How much were the import duties? |
| 15:22.24 | Ackis | HAPPY BIRTHDAY nicoli_s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:22.31 | Ackis | Unkle: nothing because I cheated! HAH |
| 15:22.34 | nevcairiel | they dont sell them on amazon.ca or something? |
| 15:22.39 | Ackis | hides from NSA |
| 15:22.52 | Ackis | just amazon.com I believe, at least when I got mine |
| 15:23.08 | nevcairiel | amazon.de has them, now at least, not sure how long now |
| 15:23.24 | Fisker | hey nicoli_s |
| 15:23.27 | Fisker | hope you don't die |
| 15:23.30 | nicoli_s | Ackis: thx |
| 15:23.36 | nicoli_s | Fisker: you too |
| 15:23.43 | TC-Work | nevcairiel: it's more about what I choose to waste my money on, and that is not even good enough. |
| 15:23.44 | Unkle | Ackis: The NSA can't punish you in the great White North, they don't have Juris-My-Dick-tion! |
| 15:23.49 | Fisker | and it's not even my birthday |
| 15:23.53 | mikma | cairenn: http://imgur.com/gallery/M4W23m4 |
| 15:23.54 | Fisker | I hope you don't die tomorrow then as well |
| 15:24.14 | nevcairiel | TC-Work: i just hope for a better SDK soon'ish so that i can actually start developing for the thing, and then it'll be really useful |
| 15:24.38 | Ackis | Unkle: like that ever stops them |
| 15:25.25 | Unkle | Ackis: You're right. A secret ninja-Seal-Team is on its way to bump you off. Run for it! |
| 15:25.43 | Ackis | eep! |
| 15:25.46 | Ackis | wait |
| 15:25.51 | Ackis | I have seal clubbing clubs! |
| 15:25.57 | Ackis | HAH TAKE THAT SEAL TEAM |
| 15:26.01 | Ackis | Kiss from a rose my ass! |
| 15:28.57 | Ackis | hmmm I can RDP into my PC with my android phone, and then open something in a Chrome tab and send it off to the Chromecast... technology ftw |
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| 15:31.18 | TC-Work | more like tech ftm |
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| 15:37.16 | Lopeppeppy | I see zombies. |
| 15:42.05 | Torhal | teleports Lopeppeppy to the back of a drug deer. |
| 15:42.29 | Ressy | oh geez. Toronto city mayor is going down. |
| 15:43.18 | Ackis | I managed to fill my 1.5TB drive up to the last 100mb :( |
| 15:43.46 | Ackis | apparently launching a mission in age of empires online requires a minimum of 100mb :( had to unisntall stuff... today tried to patch Sim City, had to uninstall more stuff :( |
| 15:44.12 | Torhal | Ackis: This is what happens when you don't believe that YouTube is perfectly capable of storing lolcat videos. |
| 15:44.56 | Ackis | it wasn't lolcat videos :( |
| 15:45.01 | Ackis | I tried to download steam and itunes |
| 15:45.28 | Ackis | Torhal: http://i.imgur.com/8UtkE5G.jpg |
| 15:46.09 | Torhal | Ackis: Bah. I stream iTunes. |
| 15:46.48 | Torhal | I'm surprised you didn't have to go bankrupt to pay your Internet bill, Ackis. |
| 15:47.33 | Ackis | they don't charge for overages |
| 15:47.59 | nevcairiel | around here it would just get slower after the limit |
| 15:48.02 | TC-Work | Wait, caps exist? |
| 15:48.07 | Ackis | I've also made it quite clear that the second they charge me for overages I'll be switching services |
| 15:48.23 | nevcairiel | but what good is your limit if nothing happens? :P |
| 15:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ressy, you just almost made me snarf my drink! |
| 15:49.40 | Ackis | Torhal: although I'm still waiting for Ressy to fix the telecom issues here in Canada... dunno what's taking her so long |
| 15:50.55 | Torhal | Ackis: Collectinator and ARL. |
| 15:50.58 | Ressy | Ackis.. Bite me. |
| 15:51.24 | Ressy | Lopeppeppy: Police just showed up to Ford's house. |
| 15:51.40 | Lopeppeppy | Ford is the mayor? |
| 15:51.44 | Lopeppeppy | Is he a vampire? |
| 15:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | Or a space alien? |
| 15:52.13 | karl_w_w | or a space vampire? |
| 15:52.31 | Ressy | Ford is our mayor. His associates are all bailing following gawker seeing that video & reporting on it. |
| 15:52.41 | Ressy | His 'driver' was just charged with drug charges, and extortion |
| 15:52.54 | Lopeppeppy | Unfriendly fire! |
| 15:53.03 | Ressy | People have died over that video. |
| 15:53.15 | karl_w_w | link? |
| 15:53.30 | Dagmar | So the mayor likes a bit of rock now and again. Is that a crime? |
| 15:53.32 | Dagmar | Oh wait |
| 15:54.08 | Ressy | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/live-alessandro-lisi-documents-released/article15163302/#dashboard/follows/ |
| 15:54.12 | Ressy | "Chief Blair told a press conference that Mr. Lisi has been charged with extortion in relation to the video. It is believed that the video is the alleged video that purportedly shows the Mayor smoking crack cocaine." |
| 15:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's gonna sting. |
| 15:55.13 | Unkle | Ressy: My twitter feed is full of commentary about that |
| 15:55.28 | Ressy | Yeah.. Its going nuts. |
| 15:55.50 | Ressy | Add the Ford scandal to the Canada Senate scandal (as Harper went to Ford's last big bash), and its interesting times. |
| 15:56.07 | Unkle | I imagine this is about as gonzo for Canadians as when Marrion Barry got busted with hookers and crack. |
| 15:56.37 | Ressy | Last few weeks have been nuts. |
| 15:56.39 | Unkle | He got re-elecected. |
| 15:57.00 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, hookers. |
| 15:58.34 | karl_w_w | may you live in interesting times |
| 15:58.39 | karl_w_w | said nobody ever |
| 15:58.48 | Unkle | I say it all the time. |
| 15:58.52 | Torhal | Hookers with their own crack, even, Lopeppeppy. |
| 15:58.54 | Unkle | Just not in IRC. |
| 15:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | Most hookers have a crack, Torhal. |
| 15:59.16 | Unkle | Quoth Marrion Barry "The bitch set me up!" |
| 15:59.39 | Torhal | Indeed they do. |
| 15:59.59 | karl_w_w | not sure what hooker doesn't |
| 16:00.24 | karl_w_w | I am really quite enjoying this aqua dynamic windows 8 theme |
| 16:00.47 | karl_w_w | yay for not having to pick my own wallpaper |
| 16:01.23 | Ressy | Toronto Star made mousepads of their front page that broke the story about the crack video. |
| 16:01.50 | Ressy | http://instagram.com/p/gIzixJxKB7/# |
| 16:02.24 | Unkle | Man... that picture of Ford is sooooo bad. |
| 16:03.03 | karl_w_w | Man........... Unkle just sooooooooo turned into a 14 year old girl |
| 16:03.36 | Ressy | 6 of the 9 'trending' terms on twitter for toronto have to do with the ford scandal. |
| 16:04.08 | TC-Work | what do you mean 'just' karl_w_w. |
| 16:04.11 | Unkle | What's the over/under on his re-election? |
| 16:04.38 | Ressy | approval rating was dropping today because of his driver's charges, which were generally known to be related to mayor's potential charges. |
| 16:11.42 | Torhal | wonders why Ressy doesn't have her own political version of a tabloid. |
| 16:11.45 | Torhal | hides. |
| 16:12.26 | Torhal | That would have been an awesome cover - "The bitch set me up!" with Barry making an incredulous face. |
| 16:13.42 | Shirik | lol wtf |
| 16:13.51 | Shirik | booked flight from IND to PDX. It goes through DCA |
| 16:14.00 | Shirik | In order to go west, you must first go east. |
| 16:17.03 | pompy | Shirik: yeah some flights here make you fly directly south before going west. |
| 16:26.16 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:27.00 | Fisker | I thought you were more into coke than crack Lopeppeppy |
| 16:27.01 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:27.12 | Lopeppeppy | That was yesterday, Fisker, with the deer/wolf connection. |
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| 16:28.56 | Fisker | nuts |
| 16:29.06 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.trueachievements.com/achievementgamer.aspx?achievementid=180169 yeah ok |
| 16:34.30 | Lopeppeppy | I am crusading for The Boyfriend to buy me a pumpkin carving Dremmel. |
| 16:35.28 | TC-Work | Buy your own? |
| 16:36.22 | Lopeppeppy | Boyfriends who buy me power tools Get Rewards (tm). |
| 16:37.12 | Fisker | You must have a lot of power tools then Lopeppeppy |
| 16:38.40 | Fisker | is your body ready for nexus 5 Lopeppeppy? |
| 16:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, many of my power tools went away with The Ex Husband. I need to restock. |
| 16:39.47 | Lopeppeppy | Rewards scale with the level of tool received, just as in the Epic Mount Quest. |
| 16:40.14 | TC-Work | dirty mind makes 'tool' very amusing. |
| 16:40.43 | Fisker | I thought this discussion was pre-dirty minded already |
| 16:42.11 | Unkle | She used the word "Rewards" - you could lamost hear the echo and reverb effects. |
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| 16:48.45 | Lopeppeppy | I capitalized it, too. |
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| 17:02.01 | Fisker | are you a boy or a girl? |
| 17:10.51 | mikma | https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/395960502083276801/photo/1 |
| 17:15.43 | Ackis | pompy: any chacne you've found a disc copy of batman AA GOTY, batman AC GOTY and bioshock 2? :D |
| 17:21.11 | phelps | RAW RAWR |
| 17:23.34 | Ackis | free game from gog.com: http://www.gog.com/2013_downloads_quality just need to do a download test thingy |
| 17:23.42 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/GameDeals/comments/1pm8tj/gogcom_get_realms_of_arkania_1_2_free_for_taking/ for more details |
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| 17:50.08 | Fisker | so you thought you could stop me kd3 |
| 17:50.16 | Fisker | Not even your phone can save you from me |
| 17:50.19 | kd3|phone | Meh |
| 17:51.03 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy is super excited for Nexus 5 and Android 4.4 |
| 17:51.27 | kd3|phone | Anyway, I'm bored and looking for a project. Anyone have an android app they want written? |
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| 17:53.38 | Fisker | Yeah kd3|phone |
| 17:53.51 | Fisker | Can you make me an app that's the next Facebook? |
| 17:53.56 | kd3|phone | Lol |
| 17:53.57 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:54.11 | Fisker | I'll be nice |
| 17:54.17 | Fisker | we'll split it 70/30 |
| 17:54.21 | Fisker | 70 to me because I'm the idea man |
| 17:54.40 | kd3|phone | Hah |
| 17:55.33 | Fisker | If you're really bored I was looking into creating a simple app that basically just gets short notices through push, never got further than a simple list that got a text file from a http server :P |
| 17:55.45 | Fisker | Nothing really though |
| 17:55.58 | Fisker | Just like a neat thing I cooked together over a weekend because we were discussing it at work |
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| 17:58.01 | TC-Work | cogwheel: you might want to change the map link on your page to point to #4 |
| 17:58.29 | cogwheel | TC-Work: iriel runs all that now |
| 17:58.54 | cogwheel | should be called Irail imo :P |
| 17:59.04 | cogwheel | but then that would look like iRail |
| 17:59.11 | TC-Work | cogwheel: Including your website? |
| 17:59.20 | cogwheel | it's not mine |
| 17:59.29 | cogwheel | minecraft.cogwheel.info just points to iriel's linode |
| 17:59.59 | TC-Work | Ok, then I will poke Iriel, thanks. |
| 18:00.59 | zenzelezz | "Steam Client Bootstrapper (buildbot_winslave04_steam_steam_rel_client_win32@winslave04)"... interesting process name. Now if only it didn't hang |
| 18:01.06 | TC-Work | kd3|phone: How about a decent RFID scanner/reader? |
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| 18:03.21 | kd3|phone | Grr, freaking Wi-Fi |
| 18:03.37 | kd3|phone | Rfid sounds interesting |
| 18:04.00 | kd3|phone | Wonder if my phone has an rfid sensor... |
| 18:04.08 | TC-Work | NFC is built on rfid |
| 18:04.23 | TC-Work | according to what I read anyway |
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| 18:05.03 | TC-Work | Most of the apps I was looking at connect to a scanner as opposed to using the NFC chip. |
| 18:06.04 | ccox | For today's ghost story (maybe) http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ |
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| 18:07.06 | kd3|phone | Using high frequency audio to jump air gaps? Terrifying |
| 18:09.17 | Arrow|tablet | 399 and a 2300mA battery..... Do I buy it now or wait for others to try it first |
| 18:09.36 | Arrow|tablet | Fisker: how many have you ordered already? |
| 18:09.43 | Fisker | 2 Arrow|tablet |
| 18:10.19 | Fisker | is yours the US version Arrow|tablet? |
| 18:10.22 | Fisker | need specs on that |
| 18:10.26 | Fisker | just to compare if they have the same lte bands |
| 18:10.59 | Arrow|tablet | Huh? |
| 18:11.30 | Fisker | screenshot the specs |
| 18:11.37 | Arrow|tablet | Comparing against each other or what? |
| 18:11.39 | Fisker | yep |
| 18:13.46 | Arrow|tablet | White or black, that's my only decision at this point |
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| 18:14.19 | tem | do any of you guys know what changed in the minipatch we had on tuesday that is causing my guidmates' uis to completely blow up with taint problems? |
| 18:14.36 | Fisker | black obviously Arrow|tablet |
| 18:14.57 | Arrow|tablet | Yeah I know |
| 18:15.04 | Arrow|tablet | White looks silly |
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| 18:15.14 | Fisker | Can you go to the specs and list lte bands though? |
| 18:15.32 | kd3|phone | A mini map callback is called by the in game store checking for parental controls |
| 18:16.07 | kd3|phone | Lots of threads in ui, tech support |
| 18:17.07 | kd3|phone | Have them update, but the only "workaround" is to hide the pop up |
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| 18:18.09 | jleclanche | Team17 weekly bundle! |
| 18:18.10 | jleclanche | https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly |
| 18:18.39 | jleclanche | no eff option this week unfortunately :( |
| 18:21.37 | Arrow|tablet | Ordered nexus5 with 2 day shipping and it leaves in 1-2 days |
| 18:21.52 | Fisker | hi5's Arrow|tablet |
| 18:22.05 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ping |
| 18:22.06 | Arrow|tablet | Hope I get it before I leave Wednesday morning for blizzcon |
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| 18:23.19 | TC-Work | It's nice, but I think I still want a windows pone. |
| 18:23.21 | TC-Work | phone* |
| 18:24.00 | Stanzilla | why |
| 18:24.06 | tem | ^ |
| 18:24.29 | Arrow|tablet | Guy I just replaced PC for at work is trying to order a nexus5 now too |
| 18:24.40 | tem | wait did nexus 5 come out today finally? |
| 18:24.41 | tem | shit |
| 18:24.45 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 18:24.47 | tem | it's probably too late |
| 18:24.52 | Stanzilla | dunno |
| 18:24.55 | Stanzilla | clicked twice, worked |
| 18:24.58 | tem | hmm |
| 18:25.03 | tem | I'm happy with my nexus 4 for now |
| 18:25.16 | tem | I don't live somewhere that has lte |
| 18:25.29 | tem | so I don'tt hink I have a whole lot of reason to upgrade |
| 18:26.14 | kd3|phone | I just freaking bought my galaxy s4. I can live with it for more than a few months... |
| 18:26.55 | Stanzilla | samsung sucks though |
| 18:27.59 | Cairenn | mikma: *snark* |
| 18:28.21 | Arrow|tablet | I have a nexus S I think I'm due for an upgrade to the 5 |
| 18:32.04 | Fisker | yeah me too Arrow|tablet |
| 18:32.12 | Fisker | I have a Nexus 4 and numbers come before letters |
| 18:34.41 | fewyn | http://isitblizzconyet.com/ |
| 18:34.47 | fewyn | so close |
| 18:37.18 | Arrow|tablet | So.... Blink 182............................ |
| 18:39.07 | Torhal | Arrow|tablet: Where'd you hear that? |
| 18:39.26 | Gnarfoz | blue post |
| 18:40.21 | Gnarfoz | a.k.a. it's official now, Blizzard couldn't find a better band :P |
| 18:40.22 | Stanzilla | Torhal living under a rock |
| 18:40.47 | Torhal | Stanzilla: I went to lunch. Sue me. |
| 18:40.58 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 18:40.59 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 18:41.08 | kd3|phone | Blink? Wow |
| 18:41.34 | Gnarfoz | The Daily Blink should open for them |
| 18:41.37 | Gnarfoz | if they were a band |
| 18:41.38 | Gnarfoz | or something |
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| 18:43.37 | fewyn | eh it kind of makes sense |
| 18:43.45 | fewyn | look at all the bands we've had the last couple years |
| 18:45.12 | Fisker | hey Arrow|tablet |
| 18:45.14 | Fisker | hi5 |
| 18:45.22 | Arrow|tablet | Hi5 |
| 18:45.29 | Fisker | N5 |
| 18:45.31 | Parnic | where's my hi5 fisker |
| 18:45.39 | Fisker | Got a Nexus 5? |
| 18:45.42 | fewyn | no one wants to hi5 you |
| 18:45.49 | phelps | [not nexus 5] |
| 18:46.35 | Arrow|tablet | Guy at work just tried ordering a white 16gb from my tablet (proxy blocks play store wtf) and it said an error occured |
| 18:47.46 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:48.40 | Arrow|tablet | Black 16 is just gone |
| 18:49.54 | Fisker | whoop |
| 18:50.05 | Fisker | it pays to guess the url beforehand and F5 like a madman |
| 18:50.09 | Fisker | "guess" |
| 18:58.10 | Torhal | "hacking" |
| 19:00.08 | mikma | "blink-182" |
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| 19:02.35 | Fisker | "gui in vbscript" |
| 19:03.15 | Mr_Rabies | lmao what blink-182 is still around? |
| 19:04.02 | haste | Fisker: "gui in hypercard" |
| 19:04.24 | Fisker | my body was ready haste |
| 19:05.11 | Torhal | Fisker: "3D PS2 on a 60-inch plasma" |
| 19:05.32 | Fisker | playstation 2? |
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| 19:11.32 | Lopeppeppy | This is halloween in my new town. Can't wait to hear where they trash this year. http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Colonie-braces-for-Halloween-headache-4942778.php |
| 19:11.52 | Arrow|tablet | Torhal: what's that one from? |
| 19:12.08 | Fisker | I would totally trash skidmore Lopeppeppy |
| 19:12.13 | Fisker | the name begs it |
| 19:12.37 | Torhal | Arrow|tablet: An episode of NCIS that I can't find reference to anywhere for some reason. |
| 19:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | Thankfully, I won't be here, so come and trash away, Fisker-boopsie. |
| 19:13.00 | Fisker | nah |
| 19:13.02 | Fisker | I'm poor |
| 19:13.31 | bleeter | So I've now spent a week back in the game after a year or so off, and the thing that strikes me the most as 'improved' is how WoW handles it's custom chat channels. All that work on Battle.net and stuff has really paid off... |
| 19:14.07 | Stanzilla | don't remember any big changes there |
| 19:14.28 | bleeter | Stanzilla: my sarcasm duct hasn't had enough coffee this morning ;) |
| 19:14.29 | Fisker | I would rather spend my money on going to Blizzcon Lopeppeppy |
| 19:14.40 | Stanzilla | bleeter: oh |
| 19:14.58 | Stanzilla | bleeter: and here I really tried to remember when they last changed stuff there |
| 19:15.10 | bleeter | what got me on this last night was a little RP and every time someone relogged toons I had to re-set the Moderator privs. Shat me to tears |
| 19:15.49 | Fisker | fuck yeah Stanzilla |
| 19:15.51 | bleeter | I was all 'wtf aren't custom chans avail perm yet, how the fuck will this work in to bnet raaar' etc |
| 19:15.54 | Fisker | today is so exciting |
| 19:16.01 | Stanzilla | yeah pretty good day so far |
| 19:16.05 | Fisker | I'm turning into a Dragonball Z character |
| 19:16.28 | Stanzilla | which one? |
| 19:16.36 | Fisker | I don't know any |
| 19:16.42 | Fisker | someone that turns into a ball of energy |
| 19:16.47 | Fisker | i.e. I figure everyone |
| 19:16.50 | Stanzilla | try freezer |
| 19:17.31 | bleeter | hey can one get the temp of cpu's and gpu's ingame? coz I was alt-tabbing out last night and it kept fucking with my nVidia 3D foo |
| 19:17.33 | Mr_Rabies | Chaotzu imo |
| 19:17.34 | Fisker | So, what's this mean for Wallet? In theory, every Android 4.4+ device should just work with Google Wallet as long as it has NFC. Being part of the core Android OS also means carriers and OEMs can't strip out the functionality, as it would be a violation of their CTS certification agreement with Google. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Verizon. |
| 19:17.36 | Fisker | yay |
| 19:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | basically show up, hug the bad guy, explode, die, rinse and repeat about 2 times before no one cares anymore |
| 19:17.54 | Fisker | I love U.S. Carriers sticking something in a pipe and smoking it |
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| 19:19.10 | bleeter | Fisker: bank here in .au did a big 'fuck apple' wrt nfc. native apps on Android and Win8. iPhones get an NFC sticker to put on the back of their phone and an app to talk back to HQ |
| 19:19.31 | Fisker | apple needs a big fuck apple |
| 19:21.29 | bleeter | got into yet another argument with a politician here the other day (over our state's economy, it's pretty screwed). told him to get upper secondary schools using FLOSS. He countered there's no money in FLOSS. I pointed out he had an iPad, two iPhone and two iMacs and then Apple's overpriced stock... |
| 19:21.47 | bleeter | morons |
| 19:22.27 | Fisker | FLOSS? |
| 19:22.38 | Fisker | FL Open Source Software? |
| 19:23.23 | bleeter | free/libre |
| 19:23.28 | Fisker | ah |
| 19:23.49 | bleeter | keeps the socialists in south america happy if one says FLOSS instead of FOSS |
| 19:23.59 | Fisker | We're unfortunately pretty dumb here |
| 19:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | the luchadors, mostly |
| 19:24.28 | Fisker | It annoys me that the local government can order iphones for work phones |
| 19:24.33 | bleeter | Fisker: not that dumb, you have a Tasmanaian lined up to run the country! |
| 19:24.33 | Fisker | you need email and phone |
| 19:24.37 | Fisker | you don't need anything else |
| 19:24.47 | Fisker | You don't need a fucking 1000€ iphone to do your fucking job |
| 19:24.57 | Fisker | Why do you waste taxpayer money on that shit |
| 19:25.14 | Fisker | And we had schools pretty much using Libreoffice |
| 19:25.43 | Fisker | They recently convinced the politicians to get the full office suite |
| 19:25.53 | bleeter | shits me to tears that kids know how to powerpoint but not magnet |
| 19:25.57 | Fisker | because you know, outlook is such an importajnt tool for kids ages 5-15 |
| 19:26.01 | Fisker | important* |
| 19:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | it really is, though |
| 19:26.14 | Fisker | Yeah in a slave labor camp |
| 19:26.17 | Mr_Rabies | most businesses use outlook and it's important to learn it |
| 19:26.29 | Mr_Rabies | if you're gonna be in an office |
| 19:27.02 | Arrow|tablet | They use Lotus Notes here |
| 19:27.05 | Mr_Rabies | the whole office suite is used by a massive amount of businesses and people really, really need to know how to use them properly |
| 19:27.27 | Mr_Rabies | (the same thing applies to windows) |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker | What they need to learn is learning |
| 19:27.47 | Torhal | Windows gives me gallstones. |
| 19:27.54 | Fisker | not being mindless slaves to a specific product |
| 19:28.21 | Mr_Rabies | people barely learn windows, much less less user-friendly OS's |
| 19:29.20 | Mr_Rabies | the only open source alternative to windows that i'd recommend most places use is the exact one the freetards seem to hate |
| 19:29.23 | Mr_Rabies | ubuntu |
| 19:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | there're not really any other open source alternatives to windows that are actually alternatives in any real sense |
| 19:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | even ubuntu is arguably too user unfriendly for most people, to be honest |
| 19:30.39 | bleeter | yeah |
| 19:30.59 | bleeter | which explains why Oracle went broke, using all those non-windows desktops and stuff most likely |
| 19:31.03 | Mr_Rabies | the idea of using open source is a great one, but in reality there really aren't any true alternatives to microsoft, other than apple |
| 19:31.12 | bleeter | certtainly explains wtf went wrong at Sun |
| 19:32.01 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: comes down to choosing the tool for the jobs. and most people don't know the available tools, etc. or the salesfolks they approach want a % etcv |
| 19:32.28 | Mr_Rabies | the right tool for the job is the one most people can just pick up and use without training, but if they do need training it needs to be standardized |
| 19:33.05 | Mr_Rabies | $100ish for each computer (more like $50 on a volume license) is way cheaper than sending each employee through enough training to learn how to use alternatives |
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| 19:34.21 | bleeter | quite. it's the company's fault itself for hiring moronic dickheads |
| 19:35.05 | bleeter | or for operating in a jurisdiction that spits out moronic dickheads from it's 'education' system |
| 19:35.05 | Mr_Rabies | there's really not a big enough pool of people for any job market that know how to use anything more complicated than windows |
| 19:35.16 | Mr_Rabies | other than like |
| 19:35.25 | tzarc | precisely why we have windows machines at work specifically for potatoshop instead of just running gimp on the main linux workstation |
| 19:35.27 | ccox | bleeter - but people hire like people (so it's moronic dickheads all the way to the top) |
| 19:35.30 | Mr_Rabies | sysadmin, network job, etc |
| 19:35.48 | Mr_Rabies | gimp isn't a photoshop alternative, tzarc |
| 19:35.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's missing way, way too many features |
| 19:35.57 | tzarc | exactly my point |
| 19:36.33 | Mr_Rabies | gimp is more like an alternative to paint.net |
| 19:36.39 | bleeter | hmmm. So Photoshop is the go because it'll cost me for features I'll never use. Gotcha! |
| 19:36.53 | bleeter | goes out and buys some Crays |
| 19:36.58 | ccox | eh, same goes for office and your OS... |
| 19:37.03 | Mr_Rabies | no, photoshop is the go because if you're using it professionally, nothing else is an alternative |
| 19:37.22 | Mr_Rabies | same with MS Office and windows, yeah |
| 19:37.48 | tzarc | well it's kinda hard to run linux binaries on windows, professionally |
| 19:37.52 | tzarc | but I see your point |
| 19:38.15 | bleeter | yeah my Mate in Canberra who swore of Adobe last century, how the fuck does he keep his design business going? He must be selling crack at day care |
| 19:38.15 | tzarc | libreoffice is a piece of shit |
| 19:38.38 | Mr_Rabies | what does he use instead, bleeter? |
| 19:38.57 | bleeter | seriously kids, if all you're doing is writing one or two snail letters for your business a month, all you need is fucking notepad.exe |
| 19:39.10 | Sharparam | hm |
| 19:39.15 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 19:39.16 | Sharparam | was message handling changed in the 5.4.1 patch? |
| 19:39.16 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/31/kitkat-feature-spotlight-audio-tunneling-to-dsp-dramatically-reduces-battery-consumption-when-playing-audio/ |
| 19:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | if your business is only doing 2 pieces of paperwork a month it's barely a business |
| 19:39.32 | Sharparam | messages seems to be sent in batches now, if you send too many too fast |
| 19:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | also preserving letterhead, footer, etc in notepad sounds like a total nightmare |
| 19:39.55 | Mr_Rabies | no thanks |
| 19:40.15 | bleeter | nothing like over-engineering a problem to keep oneself employed eh |
| 19:40.23 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm sure people will be thrilled when you send them an unformatted .txt file via email |
| 19:40.25 | bleeter | see above re %'s |
| 19:42.20 | Mr_Rabies | notepad is not a viable alternative to word, hell, libreoffice BARELY is |
| 19:42.51 | Mr_Rabies | it has awkward interoperability with MS office at best, and really shouldn't be used in a professional environment |
| 19:46.40 | bleeter | every sole business operator should use what a company with tens of thousands of employees use because that's professional |
| 19:47.29 | Mr_Rabies | they really should, because interoperability is really important |
| 19:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | if they're literally just making the paperwork themselves and printing it out and giving it to whoever, i guess that's okay, (or converting to pdf or whatever) |
| 19:48.20 | Mr_Rabies | but the end result needs to be readable to whoever you're giving it to |
| 19:48.33 | Mr_Rabies | don't expect them to install software to read your obscure file format |
| 19:48.42 | bleeter | I'm glad you agree that there is a possibility that some biz operator, out of 8 billion people, might not need Word and Windows. |
| 19:49.05 | bleeter | and that it might even be the correct choice |
| 19:49.21 | Mr_Rabies | and don't expect to have employees that know your obscure software if you choose to hire more |
| 19:49.48 | Gnarfoz | the kool-aid was probably free, right? |
| 19:49.54 | tzarc | heh |
| 19:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | expect to spend time and money training them, certainly more than using the same software everyone else uses with interoperability |
| 19:50.17 | tzarc | we're in the process of acquiring one of our competitors, and they are all booked in for training that we never got :D |
| 19:50.24 | Gnarfoz | fuck interoperability, if you send me Word documents, I know you're a moron |
| 19:50.28 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: first hit always is, is also usually a more pure quality too though... |
| 19:50.42 | Mr_Rabies | howso, Gnarfoz? |
| 19:50.54 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: because Word documents are not for publishing |
| 19:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | sure they are, if you lock them down appropriately |
| 19:51.06 | Gnarfoz | they contain LOTS of metadata you don't want others to have |
| 19:51.22 | Gnarfoz | there's this weird, unknown format for sending documents to other people |
| 19:51.26 | Gnarfoz | I think it's called... PDF |
| 19:51.33 | Mr_Rabies | pdf is certainly better, yeah |
| 19:51.35 | ccox | only as a final form, PDF isn't so easy to edit |
| 19:51.39 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 19:51.42 | Gnarfoz | that's the point |
| 19:51.50 | ccox | (says the guy writing 22 pages of tech documentation) |
| 19:52.09 | bleeter | ccox: I hope you've had training! ;) |
| 19:52.21 | ccox | what is this training of which you speak? |
| 19:52.24 | Mr_Rabies | but there are plenty of reasons to send .docxs to other people, as well |
| 19:52.55 | bleeter | ccox: excellent! if there's one thing we don't need more of, it's trained documentation writers ;) |
| 19:53.12 | Gnarfoz | sure, training exercise "how to spot a dodgy email attachment" |
| 19:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | in a lot of cases pdf is a much better alternative, but docx can be locked down just like PDF |
| 19:53.34 | ccox | I think I got trained in the English language and it's grammar 20+ years ago |
| 19:53.56 | bleeter | ccox: I hope you realise I'm taking the piss. Decent 'Tech Doc' is way hard. Best of luck. |
| 19:54.02 | ccox | yes |
| 19:54.35 | ccox | I'm writing the tech part. I'll let someone else polish the index, trademark notices, corporate fonts, etc. |
| 19:54.54 | Mr_Rabies | edit-locking and removing metadata is trivial and i imagine pretty easy to automate (though just converting to pdf is probably even easier to automate) |
| 19:58.09 | bleeter | ccox: dunno what the style guide is there, but my rule of thumb was for over 20 pages not be afraid of footnotes, appendices and/or definitions. even educated people can have stupid moments flicking around trying to work out what one means. |
| 19:58.24 | Fisker | and I will never murder you bleeter |
| 19:58.30 | ccox | yep, I'm working on part of that now. |
| 19:58.39 | ccox | and adding a little color in the definitions.... |
| 19:58.41 | bleeter | nothing much worse than having a word on page 19 defined on page 6 and having to re-read from scratch |
| 19:59.21 | bleeter | ccox: also. if you're getting paid per page, it's 'colour' not 'color' ;) |
| 19:59.37 | ccox | nope, pretty sure that there is no "u |
| 19:59.42 | ccox | " in color. |
| 20:01.17 | bleeter | you'll say that now, but when you reach the end and you're six chars off the next pay band, you'll find it's true spelling :P |
| 20:01.24 | ccox | and no, sadly, this isn't even part of my normal, salaried job duties - just something that needed to be done, and I had a little time and understanding of the topic |
| 20:01.41 | ccox | oh, if I'm paid by the page, I have much more creative ways to stretch the page count |
| 20:01.49 | ccox | (and abused many of them in college) |
| 20:01.53 | bleeter | oh, bugger. well props to you for docing. SFA folks actually bother to do it |
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| 20:02.53 | bleeter | wtf Blink-182 at blizzcon? now I know I'm not getting a virtual ticket... |
| 20:03.43 | bleeter | they should've got Nicklback instead |
| 20:03.52 | Mr_Rabies | i hope more people show up for ETC than 182 :v |
| 20:04.11 | ccox | bleeter - wrong audience |
| 20:05.09 | ccox | plus Nickleback is playing a sold out TeaParty / Klan / Gun rally in Mississippi that day |
| 20:05.26 | bleeter | have they ever had a non-US act? they should get motorhead or something genuinely serious... |
| 20:05.33 | TC-Work | Stanzilla, tem: why not? |
| 20:05.37 | bleeter | ccox: trust you to know their whereabouts :P |
| 20:05.52 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I'd laugh :) |
| 20:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | they should have totally got protomen or someone :( |
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| 20:06.57 | tem | TC-Work, many reasons |
| 20:07.16 | TC-Work | tem: for you, or for me? |
| 20:07.18 | ccox | wonders if he can talk GreenDay into doing a rifftrack of blizzcon/Blink-182 |
| 20:07.21 | tem | 1) After working on M$ technologies, I can't trust them to produce anything of real quality. ever |
| 20:07.41 | nicoli_s | i work with ms technologies every day, i love them! |
| 20:07.43 | tem | 2) Personal preference, I can't stand the UI |
| 20:07.59 | tem | it's really bad UX imo |
| 20:08.00 | bleeter | I don't trust anyone to produce anything of quality. I am very rarely let down. |
| 20:08.22 | tem | nicoli_s, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :P |
| 20:08.42 | tem | I'm in the process of trying to find a new job so I can run as far away from ms stuff as possible |
| 20:08.52 | tem | give me linux/oss please |
| 20:09.09 | bleeter | oO http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10357946157?page=8#146 |
| 20:09.36 | nicoli_s | tem: im not |
| 20:09.49 | tem | what stuff do you work with? |
| 20:09.57 | nicoli_s | sql server and visual studio |
| 20:09.59 | nicoli_s | both fantastic |
| 20:10.07 | tem | VS is the best C# ide |
| 20:10.16 | tem | but no one else is trying |
| 20:10.25 | tem | sql server is a waste of money imo |
| 20:10.49 | tem | There's a wealth of open source alternatives |
| 20:10.59 | nicoli_s | and none of them work nearly as well |
| 20:11.02 | tem | that are not only free, but have a much better developer community when you have problems |
| 20:11.18 | ccox | MS SQL? When did you start to identify with your captors? |
| 20:11.20 | nicoli_s | the management tool for sql server is top notch as well |
| 20:11.26 | tem | when you have problems with MSSQLServer you get to call microsoft and spend 300 per call |
| 20:11.32 | bleeter | has anyone hacked* on Blackthorne yet to see how they're doing it? (*trad) Linux here atm, no battle.net client :( |
| 20:11.51 | tem | or you can try to wade through the MS social forums |
| 20:11.58 | nicoli_s | i cant recall us ever having a sql server problem where we have had to call ms support |
| 20:12.10 | nicoli_s | and we deal with huge databases |
| 20:12.14 | bleeter | (also, means I've not looked at what was claimed in that post, just assuming it's 100% correct except the spelling) |
| 20:12.14 | tem | I haven't either, to be honest |
| 20:12.23 | tem | but we're paying out the ass for licenses |
| 20:12.28 | tem | they charge you PER CORE |
| 20:12.32 | tem | which is completely fucking insane |
| 20:12.45 | nicoli_s | agreed that is a bit much |
| 20:12.49 | tem | the amount of money I'm watching pissed away on SQL Server hurts me |
| 20:12.56 | nicoli_s | and for smaller projects it doesnt make sense |
| 20:13.03 | tem | I work for state government |
| 20:13.10 | tem | It's pretty much the biggest game in town |
| 20:13.17 | tem | we have the biggest DBs |
| 20:13.29 | tem | and we absolutely DO NOT need MSSS |
| 20:13.36 | tem | we'd be just fine with Posgres |
| 20:13.39 | tem | or mysql |
| 20:13.54 | tem | but then someone in IT might have to figure out how to set up a linux server |
| 20:13.57 | tem | instead of IIS |
| 20:14.02 | tem | *puje* |
| 20:14.11 | tem | s/j/k/ |
| 20:14.20 | nicoli_s | see ive never had any issues with iis either |
| 20:14.34 | tem | I've had tons of IIS issues |
| 20:14.47 | tem | most of which are the result of legacy code, however |
| 20:14.49 | ccox | IIS - just begging for breakins |
| 20:14.51 | tem | .net 1.1 stuff |
| 20:14.58 | nicoli_s | yeah thatd be rough |
| 20:15.02 | nicoli_s | we only do 4.0+ |
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| 20:15.17 | tem | If we only did current gen MS stuff it would only be half bad |
| 20:15.19 | ccox | Of course, I do run IIS on 4 of my VMs….. the honeypot VMs. |
| 20:15.27 | nicoli_s | ive ionly used iis 7+ |
| 20:15.28 | tem | we'd still be paying out the ass for licenses we don't really need |
| 20:15.41 | tem | but at least we'd have stuff created in the current decade |
| 20:16.17 | nicoli_s | yeah having to keep up legacy software is the worst |
| 20:16.20 | tem | It infuriates me to watch my government waste so much money on MS products that they REALLY REALLY don't need |
| 20:16.22 | Gnarfoz | recent sql server versions are pretty rad, the hate is legacy hate, really |
| 20:16.31 | nicoli_s | im so glad we are converting everything that matters to our new framework |
| 20:16.47 | nicoli_s | tem: yeah ms is really bad about that, theyll try and sell you everything they can |
| 20:16.51 | nicoli_s | regardless of your need |
| 20:16.53 | Gnarfoz | tem: make them switch to linux and then... use Oracle! \o/ $$$$$$$ out teh window |
| 20:16.59 | tem | we use TFS |
| 20:17.03 | tem | because MS sold it to us |
| 20:17.15 | bleeter | MS, Oracle, IBM, Apple. They all do it. |
| 20:17.22 | tem | nevermind that every single developer has git-tfs installled so that we can pretend that we aren't using tfs |
| 20:17.36 | Gnarfoz | Oracle doesn't need to sell you more than their database to make you bleed money |
| 20:17.38 | tem | nevermind that if you actually fucking asked us we'd have told you not to buy that shit |
| 20:17.38 | nicoli_s | now tfs ill agree is just shit |
| 20:17.47 | tem | but the business people don't give a shit |
| 20:17.50 | nicoli_s | we tried that for a few days before switching to hg |
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| 20:18.26 | tem | oh, also, TC-Work, WP mandates IE |
| 20:18.33 | tem | it's similar to iPhone |
| 20:18.36 | tem | you can't have another browser |
| 20:18.43 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: and if they don't own you with a DB install, their Java web plugin will do it for you |
| 20:18.45 | tem | other browsers on WP are just a skin on top of IE |
| 20:19.44 | TC-Work | And this is a problem why? |
| 20:19.52 | tem | I refuse to ever use IE |
| 20:20.08 | Gnarfoz | so don't use WP |
| 20:20.27 | tem | Well exactly |
| 20:20.35 | tem | my rant here is why I won't use a WP |
| 20:20.48 | nicoli_s | its not the best browser in the world, but the WP IE experience isnt bad by any means |
| 20:20.50 | tem | I don't care if current gen IE is an okay browser. As punishment for IE6, 7, and 8 it deserves death. |
| 20:21.16 | TC-Work | I'm not an elitist. I'll use whatever |
| 20:21.22 | tem | I do wish, however, that Safari and Chrome would fork away from each other |
| 20:21.30 | Gnarfoz | isn't that already done |
| 20:21.33 | tem | having more rendering engines is good |
| 20:21.37 | Gnarfoz | with Chrome not being webkit anymore. |
| 20:21.38 | tem | I think it's been talked about |
| 20:21.45 | tem | but I don't know if it's actually happened |
| 20:21.47 | Gnarfoz | it's done and done |
| 20:22.05 | Gnarfoz | (isn't it? that was my understanding :O) |
| 20:22.16 | tem | The only good thing that IE is doing right now is being another rendering engine to keep competition in the market |
| 20:22.17 | Gnarfoz | znf: that's your kind of obsession, please update us |
| 20:22.29 | znf | uh? |
| 20:22.39 | znf | tl;dr version? |
| 20:22.43 | Gnarfoz | has Chrome gotten rid of Webkit, yet |
| 20:22.51 | ccox | no, they forked |
| 20:22.55 | tem | I think if anytthing they were just going to fork it |
| 20:23.06 | Gnarfoz | they said they wanted to replace it with Blink |
| 20:23.14 | ccox | But apparently the Chrome team has a long list of things to clean up and remove |
| 20:23.22 | znf | my UA string still says AppleWebKit |
| 20:23.26 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't sound like just a fork |
| 20:23.40 | Gnarfoz | well, I guess it's not that time, yet, then |
| 20:24.14 | Gnarfoz | WP says it's been in use since Chrome 28 |
| 20:24.21 | ccox | it is still a work in progress - I'll probably hear the cheering from MountainVIew when they complete it |
| 20:24.29 | znf | oh |
| 20:24.31 | znf | it's in use |
| 20:24.33 | znf | by chrome 28+ |
| 20:24.37 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(layout_engine) |
| 20:29.38 | Stanzilla | chrome is on blink |
| 20:29.41 | Stanzilla | the UA wont change |
| 20:29.44 | Stanzilla | (anytime soon= |
| 20:29.45 | Stanzilla | ) |
| 20:31.25 | Gnarfoz | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ straight out hackers 3 |
| 20:31.35 | Gnarfoz | *out of |
| 20:31.35 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 20:34.02 | Mr_Rabies | jesus |
| 20:34.05 | Mr_Rabies | that's 2spooky4me |
| 20:34.08 | zenzelezz | there was more than one Hackers? |
| 20:34.25 | Mr_Rabies | this is totally a computer nerd ghost story isn't it, Gnarfoz |
| 20:37.16 | Gnarfoz | zenzelezz: yep, there was a second one |
| 20:37.39 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: it's certainly as spooky as one, but it's real enough |
| 20:38.29 | Mr_Rabies | does he have any proof whatsoever? it sounds too spooky to be true |
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| 20:41.06 | znf | that guy has a romanian name |
| 20:43.18 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: he's a well-respected security researcher; as this is original research, publishing it *is* the evidence, really. of course, that means someone else should verify it. someone will probably get a chance when he's going to analyze that USB payload that's mentioned in the article |
| 20:46.20 | bleeter | only now he's looking at JTAG and raw flash extracts? |
| 20:47.15 | bleeter | sure it's a pain in the fucking arse to screw around down there but 4srs rly |
| 20:47.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i don't see how USB wasn't the first thing he checked |
| 20:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | fucking EVERYTHING leaps onto usb drives nowadays |
| 20:48.02 | bleeter | i'll put $100 on him getting some part of the situation fundamentally wrong |
| 20:48.11 | bleeter | s/getting/having got/ |
| 20:53.09 | bleeter | fwiw http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack |
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| 21:09.48 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: ok, I'll collect one day :P |
| 21:10.14 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: sure, but does random windows malware (which you're probably thinking of) infect UEFIs when plugged into BSD machines? |
| 21:11.14 | Gnarfoz | and how is "network packets from nowhere stop when disconnecting speakers/microphone" not an indication that something far more sophisticated is going on (in addition to the infection vector) |
| 21:11.54 | Gnarfoz | granted, he might just be paranoid |
| 21:11.55 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:12.04 | Gnarfoz | more sets of eyes, plx |
| 21:12.29 | bleeter | at least he's got some now. |
| 21:14.33 | Dagmar | Someone could have embedded a SoC inside the machine without him knowing, but I kinda doubt it |
| 21:14.51 | Dagmar | There *may well* be some manchurian thumb drives running around tho |
| 21:15.29 | Dagmar | ...or you know, since it's a fucking Mac it's trying to read fancy metadata on the filesystem and that's the actual infection vector |
| 21:16.59 | Gnarfoz | did you read the entire article |
| 21:17.23 | Gnarfoz | openbsd is not "a fucking mac" |
| 21:17.41 | bleeter | still bsd |
| 21:17.56 | Gnarfoz | (neither is windows, but I won't go there) |
| 21:18.29 | bleeter | windows is vms |
| 21:18.50 | bleeter | everything new is old again |
| 21:19.46 | zenzelezz | oh, Patrick Stewart... https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/395960502083276801/photo/1 |
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| 21:20.22 | Fisker | oh, you! |
| 21:20.38 | Torhal | blames Fisker for the fiasco. |
| 21:21.11 | Semlar | neffi! |
| 21:21.12 | bleeter | 'those starfleet uniforms are getting rediculous' |
| 21:21.43 | Neffi | Semlar: how the hell did you know I just woke up? |
| 21:21.51 | Semlar | i can see you |
| 21:21.56 | Semlar | anyway that's not important |
| 21:22.01 | Neffi | what is? |
| 21:22.02 | Semlar | help me fix this! |
| 21:22.05 | Neffi | ok |
| 21:22.07 | Neffi | send me it |
| 21:22.15 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.24 | Dagmar | Oh easy mode. "Not a very good one" |
| 21:22.26 | Neffi | it'll be a few though. My "morning" cup of coffee is still brewing, and I haven't had my morning smoke yet. |
| 21:22.28 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 21:22.47 | Neffi | lol you called it nomplates |
| 21:22.49 | Neffi | +1 |
| 21:22.49 | bleeter | mmm coffeee |
| 21:22.53 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:23.01 | Neffi | What exactly is wrong? |
| 21:23.19 | Semlar | the fill for the number is all twitchy when the frame moves around |
| 21:23.30 | Semlar | like it jiggles up and down |
| 21:23.36 | Semlar | i cannot figure out why |
| 21:24.03 | Neffi | Probably a limitation in the engine |
| 21:24.09 | Neffi | brb a sec coffee's probably burning |
| 21:24.18 | Neffi | I'll help out within 10 min. let me have my smoke |
| 21:24.23 | Semlar | ok |
| 21:24.58 | Semlar | i'm halfway convinced it's just being caused by the scrollframe not rendering as fast as it ought to |
| 21:26.09 | Neffi | "as fast" -> "as well" |
| 21:26.15 | Semlar | or that |
| 21:26.19 | Neffi | Here's what I think |
| 21:26.29 | Neffi | The UI, we both know, uses an internal resolution, not your native one |
| 21:26.50 | Neffi | It does some very low quality scaling on frames/textures, etc |
| 21:26.54 | Neffi | I mean very low quality |
| 21:26.59 | Neffi | But that's besides the point |
| 21:27.23 | Neffi | The edge of the scrollframe represents a pixel-precise region that cannot be properly scaled by the UI's renderer |
| 21:27.37 | Neffi | So because it's such low quality, it was never coded to properly handle this case |
| 21:27.46 | Neffi | No good scaling, no anti-aliasing, nothing |
| 21:28.05 | Neffi | So you're getting motion aliasing |
| 21:28.31 | Semlar | i figure if that's the case it should theoretically have a height i could set it to that would prevent it from moving |
| 21:28.41 | Semlar | based on its current position |
| 21:28.56 | Semlar | i have no idea how to calculate that |
| 21:29.01 | Neffi | Maybe, probably not |
| 21:29.07 | Neffi | You'd have to know more about the engine |
| 21:29.26 | Neffi | The problem is, it's always going to alias |
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| 21:29.42 | Neffi | You can't set it to be .5 pixels higher |
| 21:30.01 | Neffi | Textures work out so well because they get some smooth scaling done to them |
| 21:30.09 | Neffi | Probably bilinear or worse |
| 21:30.25 | Neffi | Have I mentioned how shitty their scaler is? |
| 21:30.27 | Semlar | but if i can estimate where it's going to position the edge i could keep it static |
| 21:30.48 | Neffi | Not as they're moving... |
| 21:31.14 | Neffi | I'll jog my brain while I'm having my smoke and actually waking up for real |
| 21:31.15 | Semlar | why not? if i updated the height at the same time |
| 21:31.23 | Neffi | If I come up with something, I'll let you know |
| 21:32.22 | Semlar | i'll just do textures though if i can't figure this out |
| 21:32.32 | Semlar | because i really don't like the way it behaves like this |
| 21:42.06 | bleeter | so who got caughty up in the nesingwary mess? |
| 21:42.11 | bleeter | s/caughty/caught/ |
| 21:43.25 | Neffi | Semlar: What's the meaning of the OnUpdate? |
| 21:43.34 | Semlar | it's just to move the frame |
| 21:43.44 | Neffi | Why on a timer? |
| 21:43.58 | Neffi | Oh, I see |
| 21:43.59 | Semlar | it just moves up and resets |
| 21:44.11 | Neffi | Yeah. Confused my tired brain for a sec. |
| 21:44.37 | Neffi | Manually positioning it against a floored value didn't work? |
| 21:45.01 | Neffi | The whole idea of that is that the nameplate should always be on a perfect pixel boundary, not at .2, etc |
| 21:45.16 | Neffi | Also, Semlar, do you have UI scale enabled? |
| 21:45.23 | Semlar | no |
| 21:45.32 | Neffi | Hmm |
| 21:45.32 | Semlar | but it's a child of woldframe and shouldn't be scaled anyway |
| 21:45.53 | Neffi | I made my frames a child of the UIParent |
| 21:46.33 | Neffi | In recent clients, disablign UI scaling should allow pixel-perfect children on the UIParent. That's what I observed anyway. Maybe make it a UIParent child and try manual floored positioning again. |
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| 21:47.53 | Neffi | I was getting the same issue when using pixel fonts w/ outlinemonochrome and using thin 1-2 pixel-wide plain texture bars |
| 21:48.08 | Neffi | That's why I added the manual positioning on each screen refresh. It totally fixed it. |
| 21:48.41 | Neffi | It's very possible that children of the worldframe aren't getting scaled properly |
| 21:48.53 | Semlar | they aren't scaled at all |
| 21:49.07 | Semlar | it doesn't seem to make a difference if i make it a child of uiparent |
| 21:49.24 | Neffi | That's not true |
| 21:49.37 | Neffi | From what I've observed, the UIParent DOES get scaled, even with uiscale disabled |
| 21:49.55 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:49.55 | Neffi | Disabling uiscale just implements whatever scaling is necessary for your resolution |
| 21:50.01 | Semlar | a child of WorldFrame does not get scaled |
| 21:50.08 | Neffi | WorldFrame doesn't get that treatment |
| 21:50.42 | Neffi | So it's getting placed according to the internal 1024x768 resolution, and not your actual resolution. And since it isn't getting AAd, it's ending up at weird pixel boundaries |
| 21:50.45 | Neffi | Just try it |
| 21:51.56 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/iygAaC4G |
| 21:52.38 | Semlar | same problem |
| 21:53.00 | phelps | welp |
| 21:53.11 | Semlar | although the height's not proper |
| 21:53.19 | phelps | how can I get to the config options thing, the built in one |
| 21:53.29 | phelps | InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory doesn't work |
| 21:53.34 | Semlar | try it twice |
| 21:53.36 | Neffi | Yes, that will change the sizes |
| 21:53.48 | phelps | ahh, ok |
| 21:53.52 | Neffi | OpenToCategory has been broken for a while |
| 21:53.58 | phelps | figured it had to do with AceConfigDialog not having rendered it |
| 21:54.00 | Neffi | It opens the UI options, but not to the proper category |
| 21:54.29 | Neffi | In fact its behavior seems undefined. It may sometimes open to the correct dialog. May sometimes open to a different one, and may sometimes just open the normal game settings |
| 21:54.42 | phelps | yeah |
| 21:54.55 | Neffi | It's not an issue with your code. so don't worry |
| 21:55.10 | phelps | ok, cool |
| 21:55.14 | phelps | twice works |
| 21:55.20 | Neffi | Semlar: I don't know that this is fixable at all with scrollframes |
| 21:55.35 | Semlar | if it is it's beyond me |
| 21:55.45 | phelps | is there an easy way to make a frame resizable ? |
| 21:55.56 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:56.01 | phelps | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19145606/Screenshots/t5v4.png |
| 21:56.02 | Neffi | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/rVlbO |
| 21:56.21 | phelps | haha |
| 21:56.26 | Neffi | If I were implementing this, personally, I would have ended up doing away with the scrollframe and just used prebaked textures |
| 21:56.48 | Neffi | Like I said, you could offer an API so other addons could register new texture sets as "skins" |
| 21:56.59 | Neffi | Maybe even a small image guide for how to make them |
| 21:57.01 | Semlar | it's SO CLOSE TO WORKING THOUGH |
| 21:57.05 | Semlar | WHY |
| 21:57.15 | Neffi | Because WoW's UI rendering is total shit |
| 21:57.24 | phelps | ohh hey, I haven't seen my friend inf so far |
| 21:57.28 | phelps | <_< |
| 21:57.34 | Neffi | It treats images like they're dog shit, it treats text even worse, and it can't treat even solid elements correctly |
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| 21:57.54 | Semlar | well, the upside to using textures is i'm not restricted by the stupid font size limits |
| 21:58.08 | Neffi | As nice as the engine is, trying to get high quality visuals from it is absolutely impossible |
| 21:58.23 | Neffi | It's why shit like solid textures are so common |
| 21:59.31 | phelps | Frame:IsResizable() what then ? |
| 21:59.43 | Semlar | if i'm going with textures i might as well go all out |
| 21:59.59 | Neffi | Makes sense |
| 22:00.11 | Neffi | I consider it the superior way to do it, because of what you said: no limitations in your font rendering |
| 22:00.17 | Neffi | PLUS it's higher quality font rendering |
| 22:01.03 | Neffi | haha Australia http://i.imgur.com/JIOElAD.png |
| 22:01.07 | Semlar | phelps you need frame:SetResizable() and frame:StartSizing() |
| 22:01.35 | phelps | hey hey |
| 22:01.45 | Semlar | i eventually had to write something using onupdate and the cursor position to get it how i wanted it to behave though |
| 22:01.48 | Neffi | and frame:StopSizingOrMoving() |
| 22:01.49 | Semlar | the default sizing behavior sucks |
| 22:02.00 | phelps | :( |
| 22:02.02 | phelps | don't say that |
| 22:02.07 | phelps | i don't wanna hear that |
| 22:02.09 | Neffi | I've never had much issues, as long as you use OnMouseDown and not OnDragStart |
| 22:02.12 | Neffi | Default sizing is alright |
| 22:02.24 | Neffi | OnDragStart on the other hand annoys the ever-loving-shit out of me |
| 22:02.27 | Semlar | like if the frame is anchored to the screen and you pull the side to the edge it starts making the frame wider |
| 22:02.29 | Semlar | stuff like that |
| 22:02.37 | Neffi | Ah yes |
| 22:02.44 | Neffi | I can live with that though |
| 22:02.52 | Semlar | also the minimum resize screws up the cursor offset when you hit it |
| 22:02.54 | Neffi | It gives me something to play with while I'm waiting for queues |
| 22:03.34 | Semlar | so if you drag past the minimum size, when you start dragging the other way it starts sizing as if the cursor were x pixels lower or something |
| 22:04.12 | phelps | Frame PE_Tracker is not resizable |
| 22:04.13 | phelps | LIES |
| 22:04.16 | Neffi | This is so pleasing http://imgur.com/gallery/cOOTa |
| 22:04.42 | Neffi | Did you do: frame:SetResizable(true) ? |
| 22:04.48 | Neffi | empty brackets == nil == false |
| 22:04.56 | Semlar | not necessarily |
| 22:05.04 | Semlar | EnableMouse() enables the mouse |
| 22:05.04 | Neffi | From what I've observed |
| 22:05.15 | Neffi | weird |
| 22:05.20 | Neffi | Well try it anyway |
| 22:05.23 | Semlar | at any rate, you may as well feed it what you want it to be set to |
| 22:05.36 | Semlar | it makes it a lot clearer |
| 22:05.50 | phelps | wtb versions of those @ 2560x1600 res |
| 22:06.22 | Neffi | If you reverse image search you can probably find the originals at higher res |
| 22:07.10 | phelps | smart |
| 22:07.33 | Neffi | I get by |
| 22:08.00 | Neffi | Hey Semlar, do you play Minecraft? |
| 22:08.37 | Semlar | nope |
| 22:08.59 | phelps | nope :( |
| 22:09.17 | phelps | 1111x600 and its just the small one resized |
| 22:13.09 | phelps | I should probs limit what clicky part is sizeable |
| 22:13.10 | phelps | haha |
| 22:13.18 | phelps | caus thats awkward |
| 22:15.09 | phelps | shoot |
| 22:16.18 | phelps | herp derp that werkd |
| 22:16.31 | phelps | thanks Semlar, Neffi |
| 22:17.22 | phelps | Semlar: any idea how I'd resize other stuffs to match |
| 22:17.31 | phelps | OnUpdate ? |
| 22:17.39 | phelps | and check isSizing ? |
| 22:18.06 | phelps | sounds good to me |
| 22:19.29 | Semlar | no just anchor it to the frame you're resizing |
| 22:19.45 | phelps | wat |
| 22:19.49 | Semlar | SetPoint |
| 22:19.53 | phelps | its width isn't updated |
| 22:19.57 | phelps | oh |
| 22:19.59 | phelps | well then |
| 22:20.01 | Semlar | don't define a width |
| 22:20.11 | Semlar | anchor the corners or whatever |
| 22:20.40 | phelps | ohh i see |
| 22:20.53 | phelps | THAT FUNCTION MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE NOW OMG |
| 22:20.57 | phelps | /facepalm |
| 22:25.00 | phelps | cool, thanks again |
| 22:25.27 | Semlar | yep |
| 22:26.36 | Semlar | for the sizing i had to figure out which side of the frame my cursor was on so it would behave as expected |
| 22:27.31 | phelps | yeah, I'll just have the sizer on one side |
| 22:27.46 | phelps | bottom right as it expects |
| 22:28.36 | Semlar | i'm not about to try and explain this but if you want to use it you can http://pastebin.com/yzUNGTSM |
| 22:29.10 | phelps | I just noticed how stupid I am |
| 22:29.27 | phelps | dafuq |
| 22:30.37 | Semlar | this actually has another mouse enabled frame on top of it that's slightly smaller so only the edges interact with your mouse, so i guess the cursor part could be ignored |
| 22:32.16 | phelps | wouldn't happen to know the name of the texture would you ? |
| 22:32.29 | Semlar | what texture |
| 22:32.42 | phelps | the little triangle thingamajig |
| 22:33.01 | phelps | its in the chat box |
| 22:33.06 | Semlar | no |
| 22:33.08 | phelps | wowprogramming will have it |
| 22:34.02 | Semlar | this script was only to make each edge and corner of my minimap draggable like a normal window |
| 22:34.08 | phelps | Interface\\CHATFRAME\\UI-ChatIM-SizeGrabber-Up/Down/Highlight |
| 22:34.14 | phelps | yea |
| 22:34.50 | phelps | UI-ChatIcon-ArmoryChat |
| 22:34.59 | phelps | where they going to have armory links in game ? |
| 22:35.24 | Semlar | you can chat through the mobile app |
| 22:35.42 | Semlar | might be related to that |
| 22:35.45 | phelps | ohh right, and its called Armory |
| 22:35.47 | phelps | yeah it is |
| 22:37.45 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
| 22:37.45 | phelps | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19145606/Screenshots/lfe9.png |
| 22:38.04 | phelps | now I need to update the # of rows |
| 22:38.14 | phelps | in the hight |
| 22:38.40 | phelps | I was positing the frame on each update |
| 22:38.42 | phelps | whoops |
| 22:38.58 | phelps | abs. no reason to, its position would have never changed |
| 22:43.05 | Neffi | Anyone here familiar with logic circuits in Minecraft? |
| 22:43.33 | Neffi | I'm thinking of building a CPU and I'm wondering how fast they can be made |
| 22:43.39 | Neffi | Eg, build a realtime Pong game |
| 22:44.31 | Neffi | I'd also like to do it within the constraints of a landscape |
| 22:44.56 | Neffi | Eg, not just having a floating CPU in an empty sandbox, but have it built into a mountainside or something, so it looks like some archaic computer built by ancient people |
| 22:46.54 | nevcairiel | everything in minecraft looks like its build by ancient people because its build from man-sized cubes! |
| 22:47.55 | Neffi | lol |
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| 22:48.35 | Neffi | I saw a video of a really simple one, and the pistons and dirt cubes conjured up images of ancient people building a logic unit out of actual blocks of rock and simple machines |
| 22:48.42 | Neffi | I think it'd be really awesome to do that |
| 22:48.50 | Neffi | And probably pretty fun to work through CPU logic |
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| 22:55.00 | phelps | an ALU is a good start |
| 22:55.28 | Neffi | I don't think an ALU will be that tricky to make |
| 22:56.12 | Semlar-Laptop | aclu? |
| 22:56.18 | Neffi | >_> |
| 22:56.29 | Neffi | Semlar: I know! |
| 22:56.45 | Neffi | I'll make a CPU in Minecraft that can render nameplates with correct scaling |
| 22:56.51 | Neffi | Then you just have to quit WoW and start playin git |
| 22:56.56 | Semlar-Laptop | it would probably work better |
| 22:56.59 | Neffi | Probably |
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| 23:00.03 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/eF8kh6w.gif |
| 23:00.28 | Neffi | That's about how I react to my friends when they try to high-five me |
| 23:00.35 | Neffi | I believe this cat will go places. |
| 23:04.43 | sintAcks | i don't get how curse client was fine and then randomly started having cpu spikes and memory leaks without an update or anything... |
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| 23:22.51 | Neffi | Kids today |
| 23:23.05 | Neffi | In my day, we didn't stop trick-or-treating when it got dark |
| 23:29.36 | phelps | you didn't go until it WAS dark... |
| 23:30.22 | Arrowmaster | here the city only schedules 1.5 hours for it |
| 23:33.47 | Neffi | phelps: what? |
| 23:34.00 | Neffi | We skipped school, started early in the morning, and stretched until at least midnight |
| 23:34.13 | Neffi | If we didn't have enough candy to last until NEXT Halloween, we had failed |
| 23:34.22 | phelps | hardcore |
| 23:34.35 | Neffi | I would still have bookbags full of candy well after Christmas |
| 23:34.55 | Neffi | Looking back, it's probably why I was never a healthy weight until I hit adulthood |
| 23:35.29 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: The.. city schedules time for it? |
| 23:35.32 | Neffi | Where do you live? |
| 23:35.38 | Neffi | Some fascist distopia? |
| 23:35.59 | Arrowmaster | ohio |
| 23:36.28 | Arrowmaster | yes the city publishes an official 'beggars night' day and time |
| 23:36.42 | Neffi | hmm |
| 23:36.54 | Neffi | That's not the Ohio our forefathers dreamed of |
| 23:37.15 | ccox | used to be that they only did that when Halloween fell on a Sunday, because you couldn't possibly dress in costumes on Sunday |
| 23:37.34 | Neffi | I'm sure if you scour the writing of Thomas Jefferson, you can find a journal entry on the freedom of Halloween |
| 23:37.59 | Semlar | but halloween was invented to sell candy |
| 23:38.08 | Neffi | ehhh |
| 23:38.22 | Neffi | Halloween was invented to appease or confuse the spirits that would cross over to our realm |
| 23:38.37 | Semlar | you must be thinking of a different halloween |
| 23:38.50 | Neffi | The Halloween of yore, before the word Halloween existed |
| 23:39.14 | Neffi | Anyway if you think about it, the costumes represent that practice, and the candy represents a bountiful harvest |
| 23:39.39 | Neffi | Eg, we successfully confused and/or appeased all the spirits, and are bursting with food to give away |
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| 23:40.20 | Neffi | ccox: Why can't you dress up on Sunday? |
| 23:40.37 | ccox | because that's the holy day (it's a Bible belt thing) |
| 23:40.52 | Neffi | Ah, the Bible belt |
| 23:40.56 | ccox | (also, contrasting dressing up for church and trick or treating) |
| 23:41.07 | Neffi | Well I would hope a wise and just God would be pleased at kids having fun |
| 23:41.38 | ccox | me too, but apparently not the one worshiped by folks in the Bible Belt |
| 23:41.52 | Neffi | It's too bad |
| 23:42.08 | Semlar | if they actually believed any of it they'd let their god sort it out |
| 23:42.17 | Neffi | It always seems like the views of the most hardcore American Christains conflict greatly with the views of Christ himself |
| 23:42.51 | Neffi | I have a healthy level of respect for the teachings of that humble teacher. But not for his more extreme followers. |
| 23:43.53 | Semlar | i really don't think religions should be held in reverence |
| 23:45.08 | Neffi | Who's holding religion in reverence? |
| 23:45.33 | Neffi | You don't have to recognize the Judao-Christian dogma to recognize the wisdom of one of its believers |
| 23:45.58 | Arrowmaster | cant buy beer on sundays either |
| 23:46.06 | Neffi | Jesus said some very wise things that all of us would do well to think about, whether you love or hate his followers |
| 23:46.22 | Neffi | Arrowmaster: That's the worst law of all |
| 23:47.06 | Arrowmaster | unless its from a store that has paid the appropriate bribes for the right to be put on the local ballot to get a permit to sell you alcohol on sunday |
| 23:47.44 | Neffi | I'm a proud `de-facto agnostic', but I find a lot of wisdom in the core teachings of many religions. I don't believe in Buddhism, but I have a healthy respect for Buddha. |
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| 23:48.20 | Neffi | A good scientist ought to be a good philosopher as well |
| 23:48.40 | Semlar | you appear to be confusing religion with philosophy |
| 23:48.42 | bleeter | Religious observances or not, I don't get alcoholics who can't plan to feed their addiction one day in advance |
| 23:49.10 | Neffi | Semlar: I think you are. I contemplate the philosophy of men, not their religious beliefs. |
| 23:49.20 | Neffi | Being a religious figure didn't tarnish him as a philosopher |
| 23:49.25 | Semlar | yeah, it does |
| 23:49.39 | Semlar | belief in a higher power should be treated as the mental disorder it is |
| 23:49.55 | Neffi | His teachings on peace and love for others, on unity and understanding, and especially on forgiveness, were all very profound for his time |
| 23:50.22 | Neffi | By that logic we ought to shun some scientists for believing adamently in silly ideas like the aether |
| 23:50.39 | Neffi | But those same scientists gave us important advances that we enjoy today |
| 23:50.56 | Neffi | Do you shun somebody for studying Socrates and Plato, depiste their silly religious beliefs? |
| 23:51.15 | Neffi | I would argue that sometimes the most mad of us have the greatest wisdom |
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| 23:52.18 | Neffi | Let's not forget that Socrates gave us the Socratic method, something that arguably evolved into our modern scientific method, and he was a religious man with some very crazy ideas |
| 23:52.48 | Semlar | nobody's perfect |
| 23:52.55 | Neffi | Exactly |
| 23:53.03 | bleeter | speak for yourselves |
| 23:53.10 | Neffi | Reverance of perfection I think is the only madness we should detach ourselves from |
| 23:53.40 | bleeter | but but... STEVE JOBS MOVIE!!! |
| 23:54.24 | Neffi | I stand corrected. That's another madness we must detach ourselves from. |
| 23:54.46 | Semlar | apple? |
| 23:55.00 | Arrowmaster | so im reading the new android 4.4 info and i see this part about how some devices have 512mb of ram and new low ram settings to help them and was thinking how much that might help my Nexus S out |
| 23:55.09 | Neffi | But study nonetheless from the outside in. If we don't understand why people might revere a falsified image based on such a small kernel of truth, then we might fall to it ourselves |
| 23:55.09 | Arrowmaster | but then i remembered i just ordered a Nexus 5! |
| 23:55.38 | Neffi | lol arrow |
| 23:55.57 | Neffi | Did they merge in the feature from CM? Memory compression and/or deduplication? |
| 23:55.58 | Arrowmaster | latest cyanogen on a phone with only 386mb of ram is hell |
| 23:56.13 | Neffi | See the aforementioned feature and enable it |
| 23:56.25 | Neffi | Although it probably won't make it tolerable, it should make it better |
| 23:57.08 | Arrowmaster | this stuff about merging of SMS/MMS providers makes me wonder if google voice suppoerts MMS now |
| 23:57.28 | Neffi | GVoice didn't/doesn't support MMS? >_> |
| 23:57.40 | Arrowmaster | if not does that mean everything will send SMS though gvoice and MMS through my normal number |
| 23:57.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah no MMS on gvoice |
| 23:57.57 | Arrowmaster | also no international txts or short codes |
| 23:58.21 | Neffi | That's disappointing |
| 23:58.36 | Arrowmaster | yes i tried to send international txts to singapore during last blizzcon and it failed |
| 23:59.58 | Neffi | scratches his beard. |
