| 00:00.46 | Semlar | i don't suppose there's any trick to making a font larger than 36 points in game |
| 00:01.26 | Semlar | scale doesn't seem to have any affect |
| 00:01.42 | Dashkal | kd3: 17:01:27 up 58 days, 4:03, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.07, 0.06 <-- Not sure it's inherent |
| 00:01.45 | Dashkal | Running raspbian |
| 00:05.27 | pompy | Ackis: http://nerdreactor.com/2013/10/28/canada-kind-big-deal-video-game-world/ |
| 00:06.23 | Dashkal | >.> |
| 00:06.32 | bleeter | kd3: it's the shitty serial IO chip that does it ;) |
| 00:07.37 | bleeter | kd3: aiui linux isn't quite capable of handling it's interrupts because it's not a RTOS and so is known to randomly shit itself |
| 00:09.10 | Shirik | TC-Work? |
| 00:09.40 | TC-Work | Shirik: Blizzcon/Blizzcon dinner. |
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| 00:10.03 | Shirik | My plan for Blizzcon was to volunteer for Cryptozoic this year |
| 00:10.07 | Shirik | and then the wow tcg disappeared |
| 00:10.09 | Shirik | so that was that |
| 00:11.05 | bleeter | nobody wants you, Shirik :( |
| 00:11.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:12.13 | bleeter | at least they're not cancelling all of blizzcon because of you |
| 00:12.16 | bleeter | yet |
| 00:12.25 | bleeter | :P |
| 00:15.00 | Shirik | I mean |
| 00:15.03 | Shirik | if I show up, maybe they will |
| 00:47.30 | Neffi | Wooh, some nice fixes in latest UKSP |
| 00:48.04 | Neffi | Spriggans finally drop sap like they were supposed to |
| 00:49.55 | Neffi | And definitely the best fix: "Chickens did not cluck while idle." |
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| 01:28.47 | Semlar | any idea why i can't macro /targetenemyplayer /targetenemy together |
| 01:30.01 | Shirik | because it would let you make decisions? |
| 01:30.22 | Shirik | I mean that's mostly a guess, but it seems like the same reason you can't chain /cast commands together that fail |
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| 01:31.11 | Semlar | as far as i can tell i can use pretty much any other target command together no problem |
| 01:32.07 | Semlar | but /targetenemyplayer is blocking /targetenemy later in the macro |
| 01:32.13 | Industrial | with assasins creed 3 |
| 01:32.17 | Shirik | I would expect that if a target command fails, subsequent target commands should be disallowed |
| 01:32.19 | Industrial | i cant save in the middle of a mission? |
| 01:32.29 | Industrial | Ive done it 20 times now getting sick of it |
| 01:32.37 | Semlar | nope, if it fails to target something it just moves on to the next one |
| 01:32.38 | Industrial | 1 mistake im out :( whole game like this? |
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| 01:33.02 | Shirik | seems like a flaw to me tbh |
| 01:33.10 | Semlar | i made a macro that just had a crapton of /targetexacts |
| 01:33.33 | Semlar | and it just stops at whatever the last one is that is around |
| 01:33.39 | kd3|hate`net | that's how rare-finding macros work... /tar foo /tar bar /tar baz, one of them will hit eventually |
| 01:33.41 | kd3|hate`net | yah |
| 01:33.51 | Shirik | and I think that's a flaw kd3 :) |
| 01:34.08 | Shirik | it may not be quite as bad as /cast failure tricks |
| 01:34.10 | Shirik | but still |
| 01:34.16 | kd3 | if you're ooc, what's the deal? |
| 01:34.20 | Semlar | frankly my workaround for /targetenemyplayer not working seems a lot more like an exploit to me |
| 01:34.28 | Shirik | I guess valid point |
| 01:34.40 | Semlar | i'm doing this to target mind controlled raid members if they exist |
| 01:35.02 | Semlar | my solution is now /target [@raid1,harm] etc |
| 01:35.03 | Shirik | see that's why I don't like it |
| 01:35.13 | Shirik | that's the kind of stuff I don't think should be allowed |
| 01:35.20 | Semlar | that's probably true |
| 01:35.30 | kd3 | in combat, sure, the first failed /tar should cut access to the rest, but I don't see any harm in allowing it ooc |
| 01:35.53 | Shirik | I didn't consider the difference between ooc and in combat |
| 01:35.59 | Semlar | you probably don't want to see the rest of the macro |
| 01:36.00 | Shirik | I was mostly thinking of the in-combat case |
| 01:39.34 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 01:39.36 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 01:39.47 | kd3 | allo |
| 01:39.50 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 01:40.59 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 01:41.23 | Fisker | I want you :( |
| 01:41.33 | Shirik | everyone wants me |
| 01:41.45 | Fisker | not according to bleeter |
| 01:41.51 | Shirik | I'm software engineer of the year 2013 |
| 01:42.20 | Shirik | true story, I got this award "software engineer of the year" two weeks after my title was switched so that I was no longer a software engineer >.> |
| 01:42.58 | Fisker | :( |
| 01:43.01 | Fisker | what are you doing now? |
| 01:43.40 | Shirik | I am the architect |
| 01:43.42 | Shirik | like in the matrix |
| 01:43.55 | Fisker | ah |
| 01:44.03 | Fisker | Then I must withdraw my support |
| 01:44.03 | Fisker | :( |
| 01:44.10 | Fisker | Ergo I hate you |
| 01:44.24 | Fisker | vis a vis you're better off not showing up at Blizzcon |
| 01:44.49 | Fisker | indubitably my dislike for the architect is showing |
| 01:45.24 | Fisker | consequently my hate for you is limitless |
| 01:45.37 | Fisker | Alas I should stop |
| 01:45.49 | Fisker | I don't hate you Shirik :( |
| 01:46.04 | Fisker | going to next Blizzcon atleast? |
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| 01:49.01 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 01:49.04 | Fisker | I scared Shirik :( |
| 02:08.34 | Amarande | yay sox take the lead |
| 02:16.18 | Neffi | With that kind of attitude, pretty soon you won't be welcome in NY ;) |
| 02:16.38 | Amarande | hah |
| 02:16.46 | Amarande | I actually bought my Sox cap in Manhattan |
| 02:17.13 | Neffi | you evil bastard |
| 02:17.15 | Amarande | I think when wearing a Sox cap in New York at night, if you're worrying about anything, it would be whether you're in the bad part of town wearing a cap showing you can afford to blow 35 bucks on a baseball cap LOL |
| 02:18.05 | Neffi | But the people in the bad part of town usually do blow $35 on a baseball cap, or more |
| 02:18.15 | Neffi | They just pay for it with public assistance and weed money |
| 02:20.26 | Amarande | I really don't go to the bad part of town, though. Pretty much I spend the whole day and evening in Manhattan and then ride the subway straight to Kennedy. |
| 02:21.40 | Neffi | fun stuff |
| 02:31.55 | airtonix | kd3: y u no love lambodie :< |
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| 03:01.19 | Amarande | SOX WIN |
| 03:01.34 | kd3 | sighs |
| 03:01.39 | Trela | Socks are pretty damn nice. |
| 03:01.54 | Amarande | kd3, I thought you were rooting for the sox |
| 03:02.02 | airtonix | socks keep me warm |
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| 03:11.17 | pompy1 | kd3: red sox!!!! |
| 03:14.07 | Amarande | oh, yay, another warlock nerf incoming :( |
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| 03:23.53 | airtonix | nice |
| 03:24.06 | Amarande | ... wow, illidan takes five minutes to scan even on quick scan |
| 03:24.13 | Amarande | and then several minutes more for auctioneer to process the data |
| 03:24.14 | airtonix | about time easy mode was nerfed |
| 03:24.27 | Amarande | airtonix: it's just kind of a sore spot |
| 03:24.34 | Amarande | warlock was one of the first classes I ever mained |
| 03:24.51 | Amarande | and I happened to hit 70 at a time when they were apparently at a particular nadir and had suffered from a lot of nerfs |
| 03:25.10 | Amarande | and it seems like every time I turn around they're getting nerfed again, but rarely if ever buffed except maybe in X.0.2/X.0.1 patches at the beginning of an xpack |
| 03:33.25 | Neffi | Played a warlock in BC. I know your pain. |
| 03:33.54 | Neffi | Instead of balancing out the outlast/mana-drain game, they pretty much hit warlocks with hard nerds to compensate for the bad paradigm |
| 03:34.08 | Neffi | Warlocks depended on that to be able to PvP at all |
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| 03:36.49 | Amarande | Neffi: And then if you were Horde on the Stormstrike battlegroup you got SCREWED when you hit 70, if you didn't do it early enough to catch when people were still doing 70 instances or didn't demand ridiculously OP gear for heroics |
| 03:37.08 | Amarande | because you couldn't Arena and you couldn't really get honour enough from the BGs to make up for it either, because AV had queue times in the hours |
| 03:37.27 | Amarande | and none of the other BGs (except maybe EOTS, to some degree) were anywhere near as good at covering for that |
| 03:37.37 | Amarande | WSG and AB always have given crap for honour, generally speaking |
| 03:37.45 | Neffi | Aye |
| 03:37.51 | Neffi | Good ol' Honorgrind Valley |
| 03:38.12 | Neffi | I'd almost forgotten what it was like to gear up back then |
| 03:38.18 | Amarande | And you by and large couldn't get a decent guild unless you were either top end or could promise like four or even five nights a week attendance |
| 03:38.45 | Neffi | I didn't have that problem |
| 03:38.47 | Amarande | (and back then, my schedule at work was a lot more volatile and almost ANY night could be a "oh btw you have to work till 9, 10, 11" night without notice till the preceding Friday :P) |
| 03:38.54 | Neffi | Things worked a lot differently on Burning Blade |
| 03:39.10 | Neffi | We had a solid group of players that honestly liked to PvP for PvP's sake |
| 03:39.36 | Neffi | If you hopped on the guild's Ventrilo channel that one of those people ran, it was pretty easy to find a lot of world PvP activity, or get a good few people to BG with |
| 03:39.53 | Neffi | I ran with a very small guild and we were among the most active in the PvP community |
| 03:40.32 | Neffi | I think BB's PvP community breaking apart is what made me quit towards the middle of WTLK and some of Cata |
| 03:41.21 | Neffi | I miss the days when there was an entire guild of idiots on the alliance side, and it was our daily mission to hunt them in-game |
| 03:44.08 | Amarande | Basically the problem was I wasn't even all that PvP oriented, though willing to do some if it got me a leg up on gear |
| 03:44.26 | Amarande | but, because of the arena issues and the AV queue problems on my battlegroup, and people demanding horribly uber gear for heroics |
| 03:44.30 | Amarande | I couldn't even get off the ground gear-wise at 70 |
| 03:44.45 | Amarande | actually ended up transferring to a server known for crap progression for a while just so I could get 5's groups |
| 03:45.19 | Amarande | probably didn't help that I didn't take tailoring so I didn't have the perk set, but ... I already *had* tailoring on another character |
| 03:45.33 | Amarande | I'm not fond of taking the same crafting prof twice on the same server :S |
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| 03:57.38 | TGiFallen | anyone remember the AVR addon? |
| 03:58.16 | Kaylin | yes |
| 04:00.25 | TGiFallen | do you remember what blizzard did to break it? |
| 04:01.11 | Neffi | Tweaked the camera API IIRC |
| 04:01.33 | Neffi | Made it impossible to figure out an angle or some such |
| 04:01.47 | Neffi | Well, "impossible" |
| 04:04.06 | Cairenn | Do you remember our Wifi password? Is it Llewellyn? |
| 04:04.27 | Cairenn | crap :p |
| 04:04.46 | Neffi | hacks Cairenn's wifi and injects kitten images into all HTML served. |
| 04:04.46 | Thunder_Child_ | We will add that to your list of things you never wanted to say in here. |
| 04:05.16 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 04:05.23 | Thunder_Child_ | At least the worst I have ever posted in here was someone elses credit card info.... |
| 04:06.26 | Neffi | woah |
| 04:11.02 | airtonix | use radius for wifi imo. |
| 04:11.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:26.19 | Primer | 822x !NoTaint-13.02.13\Code.lua:71: AddOn calls UIFrameFlash, you may not be able to switch talent. |
| 04:26.27 | Primer | I think it's time to uninstall that addon |
| 04:26.40 | Amarande | also, will someone tell me wtf "YOLO RBGs" are :P |
| 04:26.48 | Amarande | they're asked for all the time on Illidan, LOL |
| 04:27.05 | Primer | no vent, IIRC |
| 04:27.13 | Neffi | After you die once, they disconnect your internet |
| 04:27.44 | Amarande | heh Neffi, hardcore mode WoW would be neat |
| 04:27.49 | Amarande | although I guess it would never have made it past vanilla |
| 04:28.03 | Amarande | seeing as nobody would be able to actually do most of the raids back then :) |
| 04:28.36 | Primer | hrmm, it seems this is more of a reporting feature of !NoTaint |
| 04:28.44 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.13 | Neffi | Now I wonder how that works |
| 04:30.35 | Primer | Thing is, there's no way to see what addon called it |
| 04:31.27 | Neffi | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_debugstack |
| 04:31.28 | Primer | the trace is ambigouous |
| 04:31.41 | Neffi | Well yes, but it can help |
| 04:31.49 | Primer | ambiguous, even |
| 04:32.16 | Amarande | note to self, never start as horde on a new server during hallow's end unless I'm playing an enchanter :| |
| 04:32.35 | Primer | why?\ |
| 04:33.20 | Amarande | Primer: 7 freaking gold for a single strange dust |
| 04:33.27 | Amarande | because everyone knows you need two to do the horde quests, I presume |
| 04:33.45 | Primer | vendor? |
| 04:33.47 | Amarande | and that's on a max pop server, too, heavens knows what it is on lower pop servers where the AH is usually more inflated LOL |
| 04:33.51 | Primer | sure, it's limited quantity |
| 04:33.56 | Primer | but they usually have it |
| 04:34.12 | Primer | alliance quest is the same |
| 04:34.38 | Neffi | Poor people |
| 04:34.53 | Neffi | Probably don't realize you can buy limited supply Stranfe Dust from the enchanting vendor |
| 04:35.05 | Neffi | --I think |
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| 05:08.41 | Amarande | yay one thing I'm glad for in wow that was always a problem in SW:TOR |
| 05:08.45 | Amarande | you can actually decline quests! |
| 05:10.40 | bleeter | https://github.com/gruntjs/gruntjs.com/issues/81 |
| 05:12.03 | airtonix | bleeter: wat |
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| 05:14.29 | bluspacecow | @Torhal \o |
| 05:14.33 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow! |
| 05:14.40 | bluspacecow | I got a PM i need you to forward back to me |
| 05:14.50 | karl_w_w | follow-up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBskcJCJ3pk |
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| 05:14.55 | bluspacecow | it's essentially how to zip up addon zip so packager doesn't freak out |
| 05:15.57 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 05:16.08 | bluspacecow | i need a note in my PMS to tell me how to zip a file |
| 05:16.13 | bluspacecow | immma bad addon author |
| 05:19.57 | bluspacecow | @karl_w_w ATTACK HUG |
| 05:20.11 | Trela | hugs bluspacecow, HUG ATTACK! |
| 05:20.34 | bluspacecow | :3 |
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| 05:21.33 | bleeter | airtonix: inorite |
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| 05:24.56 | bleeter | heh, I thinksomeone just killed all the US servers |
| 05:26.04 | karl_w_w | note mine |
| 05:26.07 | karl_w_w | not mine as well |
| 05:29.21 | bleeter | hmmm maybe it's only pandarian foo |
| 05:29.36 | bluspacecow | i read that as pandarian poo |
| 05:29.46 | nevcairiel | same thing |
| 05:30.31 | Amarande | a lot of people on illidan are saying darkspear just went down |
| 05:30.35 | Amarande | illidan seems okay, though |
| 05:32.01 | bluspacecow | well it's official |
| 05:32.09 | bluspacecow | 5.4.1 going live |
| 05:32.23 | nevcairiel | changelog? |
| 05:32.27 | bluspacecow | also probably old |
| 05:32.42 | bluspacecow | IIRC recruit a friend changes and the like |
| 05:33.20 | Amarande | rofl @ this guy in trade trying to sell things like "mop key 30k" |
| 05:33.22 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 05:33.23 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 05:33.35 | Amarande | never mind the EULA ... I haven't seen prices that divorced from reality since SW:TOR |
| 05:33.44 | bluspacecow | US one mentions 5.4.1 in particular |
| 05:33.53 | Amarande | like where people would sell a hypercrate for just a few million creds heh |
| 05:34.37 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 05:34.43 | Amarande | (for reference, a hypercrate costs about twice as much real money as an MoP key, and 30k gold in WoW would one-for-one be about 3 million creds in TOR ... heh) |
| 05:34.51 | bluspacecow | just wiped my battle.net folder so the BDA was asking me to locate them |
| 05:34.56 | bluspacecow | but i got distracted |
| 05:35.02 | bluspacecow | so it found them itself |
| 05:35.09 | bluspacecow | locate my game folders that is |
| 05:35.12 | bleeter | huh, so I can log in to SW and Pandaristan on my realm, but IF says 'world server down' |
| 05:35.28 | nevcairiel | shouldnt SW and IF be the same world server? |
| 05:35.37 | Amarande | nevcairiel: no because SW isn't subject to CRZ and IF is |
| 05:35.38 | bluspacecow | not with CRZ |
| 05:35.56 | Amarande | but yeah, you'd think CRZ would not randomly push someone onto a copy of a zone that's on a realm that's not up |
| 05:36.10 | bluspacecow | you move out of a non CRZ zone to a CRZ zone you get moved to a diffrent wold server IP |
| 05:36.14 | Amarande | otherwise every time some realms are down but not others, crossing a zone boundary would be russian roulette |
| 05:36.24 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
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| 05:36.33 | bluspacecow | just saying what i've observed with CRZ |
| 05:36.33 | Amarande | bluspacecow: well that's what I mean, you'd think it would check whether the server is actually up BEFORE trying to send you to an instance of a zone there |
| 05:36.39 | bluspacecow | does no one look at these things ? |
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| 05:37.04 | Amarande | otherwise the moment even one server in your crz pool goes down, it's dangerous to even leave Org or SW |
| 05:37.21 | Amarande | because you just might get zoned onto the server that's not there and go poof |
| 05:37.41 | Neffi | When you switch zones, and the CRZ is down, you get placed on a local copy of the zone |
| 05:37.41 | bleeter | I didn't realise IF had gone CRZ, have been away some time. thx |
| 05:37.45 | Neffi | From what I've experienced |
| 05:38.06 | Neffi | Now when you log into a zone you were already CRZed on, that might be a different story |
| 05:38.14 | bluspacecow | I was just pointing out why bleeter can connect to SW but not IF |
| 05:38.21 | bluspacecow | i wasn't talking about anything else. |
| 05:39.34 | Amarande | aw hells yea I love when this happens |
| 05:39.43 | Amarande | jeweled fishing pole on my very first fishing daily rolling on this server |
| 05:39.56 | Amarande | nice welcoming goodie bag, there :) |
| 05:40.49 | Amarande | bleeter: the only places exempt, I believe, are Stormwind, Orgimmar, Wintergrasp, Tol Barad, and Pandaria zones |
| 05:41.12 | Amarande | they actually tried to CRZ wintergrasp at one point too, but it led to too much chaos |
| 05:41.15 | bluspacecow | you can test that you know |
| 05:41.31 | bluspacecow | goes back to what I said above - the world server IP address changes |
| 05:41.37 | Amarande | as it is though there are still dangers associated with wintergrasp and crz :P |
| 05:41.49 | bluspacecow | and you are logged into the world server at the toon select screen |
| 05:41.54 | airtonix | crz? |
| 05:41.57 | Amarande | I've gone splat more than once trying to fly over it when there was well over an hour left till battle on my server |
| 05:42.08 | bleeter | airtonix: cross realm zones |
| 05:42.09 | bluspacecow | wait no |
| 05:42.16 | bluspacecow | sorry not at the toon select |
| 05:42.23 | Amarande | I'm presuming the reason being that it was probably in battle on the server that I was CRZ'd to for the zone I was in before trying to fly over WG |
| 05:42.32 | Amarande | and that I was dismounted for being on a flying mount during battle before it swapped over :S |
| 05:42.32 | bluspacecow | login , note IP address for realm at character select |
| 05:42.39 | airtonix | bleeter: so wow is heading towards being one large server? |
| 05:42.42 | bluspacecow | log into SW note 2nd IP address |
| 05:42.49 | bluspacecow | then move out of SW see how it changes |
| 05:43.02 | bluspacecow | then go to the zone your wanting to test to see which IP the world server is on |
| 05:43.19 | Amarande | airtonix: in some ways, not in some other ways |
| 05:43.35 | Sintacks | :( |
| 05:43.39 | Amarande | airtonix: basically it's meant to help with the fact that so many zones had become such desolate lands of lonely |
| 05:43.54 | Sintacks | why doesn't Unit Characteristics > Specific Unit support Boss1 :( |
| 05:44.10 | Sintacks | throws things at WeakAuras coding peoples |
| 05:44.28 | Amarande | if there are not enough people in a given zone on a given realm, then it dynamically moves people to other realms as they move into the zone so as to try to keep enough people together in each active copy of the zone |
| 05:44.29 | bleeter | they're joining certain realms soon too. 'battle.net bound' will be a bit more TRUE |
| 05:44.43 | airtonix | is still think wow should have that feature from everquest where you as a lvl80 can choose to step into a dungeon as a lvl10 along with your lvl10 friends |
| 05:44.59 | Amarande | airtonix: yeah more scaling dungeon features would be nice |
| 05:45.09 | Amarande | they've already got the framework to a degree given the challenge modes |
| 05:45.33 | Mr_Rabies | as long as you can also step in as a level 80, airtonix |
| 05:45.35 | Amarande | now what would be fun too would be FULLY scaling dungeons like they have for most dungeons in LOTRO |
| 05:45.40 | Sintacks | scaling exists already. but it's not implimted and isn't right |
| 05:45.48 | Sintacks | scaling the player that is. |
| 05:46.03 | Amarande | basically what LOTRO has is, "I'd like to run a level X version of dungeon Y" (for most dungeons, there's a few that are still fixed to one level) |
| 05:46.11 | airtonix | i think final fantasy 10 had this too? |
| 05:46.15 | Amarande | so you can set it to be right for the level of people in your group |
| 05:46.22 | bleeter | retrofitting scaling would be an arse of a gig |
| 05:46.23 | Amarande | although I suppose that could lead to issues with WoW |
| 05:46.39 | Mr_Rabies | i think people that suggest it overestimate how many people would take advantage of the feature |
| 05:46.40 | Amarande | one problem that's fairly easy to deal with and another that'd never go away |
| 05:46.51 | Amarande | the never go away one being: nobody would ever do the dungeons they didn't like anymore because they'd just scale another dungeon |
| 05:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | i personally would just dabble in it unless there were considerable endgame rewards connected |
| 05:47.12 | Amarande | bleeter: not really, mostly you'd just have to redo the loot system |
| 05:47.16 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: then why do people constantly create new characters just to level up with their friends, then never get used past level30 |
| 05:47.36 | airtonix | it's really for the social thing |
| 05:47.38 | Amarande | the way LOTRO does it, basically, is that the scaling dungeons give few or no actual item drops |
| 05:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't, since like 2006 or so |
| 05:47.57 | Amarande | instead the loot all comes in the form of Marks and Medallions |
| 05:48.07 | airtonix | "i want to play that 30 dungeon with my friend, but i don't want to roll a new toon and i don't want use my lvl 80 powers" |
| 05:48.11 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i hate leveling with friends, i'm too slow for them |
| 05:48.16 | Amarande | basically it'd be like if WoW dungeon bosses didn't drop any items, but instead gave you extra valor or justice |
| 05:48.23 | bluspacecow | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgyVINZYxvDpdFI2NkZiQU9KRzV5QmlCeWJxVDJ0ZEE&usp=sharing |
| 05:48.24 | Amarande | and then all the stuff that you'd expect to loot from bosses is sold for justice instead |
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| 05:49.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not saying people wouldn't take advantage of it, i'm just saying the juice probably isn't worth the squeeze to redo so many old dungeons with broken scripts, etc |
| 05:49.17 | Amarande | that's how it is with lotro, instead of gear the bosses drop marks or medallions, the amount depending on the dungeon level and tier |
| 05:49.25 | Mr_Rabies | most people didn't even care for cataclysm despite rebuilding the clunkiest part of the game at the time |
| 05:49.32 | Amarande | and then you go and spend those at a mark/medallion vendor on level appropriate gear |
| 05:49.47 | Mr_Rabies | they're gonna be way more hesitant towards anything that was like the azeroth rebuilding portion of cata |
| 05:49.51 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 05:49.54 | Fisker | I murdered Shirik :( |
| 05:50.09 | bleeter | Fisker: why would you do a thing like that? |
| 05:50.16 | Fisker | It was not on purpose |
| 05:50.20 | Amarande | yeah the loot thing is probably the easiest part of the scaling idea heh |
| 05:50.29 | Fisker | He like told me he was the architect from the matrix |
| 05:50.38 | Amarande | like I said ... just delete the existing boss loot tables, add extra justice instead, move all the previous boss loot to justice vendors |
| 05:51.24 | Amarande | I'm not sure why they don't just do that on principle anyway |
| 05:51.34 | Fisker | do you forgive me bleeter? |
| 05:51.40 | Amarande | no more complaints about people ninja'ing boss items etc. |
| 05:52.00 | bleeter | 'Some folks were passing around an email yesterday/today talking about powershell improvements and all I could think was "I need to find another job in 3 months..."' |
| 05:52.14 | Amarande | I suppose RNG loot is part of what retains subscriptions for longer by inflating the amount of time it takes to gear, but you could still have regular loot on level 90 stuff |
| 05:52.25 | Amarande | just like how lotro has regular loot drops from raids |
| 05:52.40 | Amarande | (and from the non-scaling dungeons generally) |
| 05:52.45 | bleeter | Fisker: only on tuesdays |
| 05:52.47 | airtonix | bleeter: 'omg the new osx is awesome' time for a new job :) |
| 05:52.53 | Fisker | good |
| 05:52.59 | Fisker | It's tuesday here btw |
| 05:53.24 | airtonix | here too |
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| 06:57.03 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:57.05 | Shirik | none can murder me |
| 06:57.11 | Fisker | none? |
| 06:57.12 | Fisker | or noone? |
| 06:57.35 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 06:57.36 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 06:58.30 | Shirik | none |
| 06:58.33 | Shirik | none can murder me |
| 06:58.41 | Shirik | it's like none shall pass |
| 06:58.47 | Shirik | except that it's my life |
| 06:58.50 | Shirik | instead of a bridge |
| 06:58.57 | Shirik | though some people think that life is actually a bridge |
| 06:58.59 | Shirik | how about that |
| 06:59.02 | Shirik | deep huh? |
| 07:04.28 | bluspacecow | *eats Shirik's bridge* |
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| 07:22.50 | Shirik | :/ |
| 07:24.36 | Fisker | very deep Shirik |
| 07:24.42 | BluShelf | \o |
| 07:24.42 | Fisker | stop BluShelf |
| 07:24.58 | StopBluShelf | :3 |
| 07:38.37 | Shirik | so I just heard a song I haven't heard in like 10 years |
| 07:38.45 | Shirik | and I was like "man, this is back when music was good" |
| 07:38.51 | Shirik | why can't we be back then :( |
| 07:40.12 | Fisker | You were barely even alive 10 years ago Shirik |
| 07:40.13 | Fisker | please |
| 07:40.56 | Shirik | ._. |
| 07:41.40 | Fisker | sorry i love you :( |
| 07:43.38 | StopBluShelf | awwwwww |
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| 08:30.16 | bleeter | wwwwweeeeeee http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10388638878 |
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| 08:37.43 | karl_w_w | And I can make choo choo train noises with my mouth. |
| 08:37.44 | karl_w_w | It doesn't make me a train. |
| 08:37.44 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 08:39.25 | airtonix | well |
| 08:39.37 | airtonix | what makes a tank ? |
| 08:39.54 | airtonix | health, mitigation and aggro generation? |
| 08:40.18 | Dagmar | You've forgotten "a sense of entitlement" |
| 08:40.24 | airtonix | are you saying karl_w_w, that warlocks don't have tools to generate spike amounts of aggro? |
| 08:40.48 | karl_w_w | taunt airtonix |
| 08:41.01 | karl_w_w | more mitigation than ~50% |
| 08:41.02 | airtonix | oh so they do? |
| 08:41.10 | bleeter | oh gods the stupid has spread to IRC |
| 08:41.15 | bleeter | WHAT HAVE I DONE AARGH |
| 08:41.26 | airtonix | bleeter: madbro? |
| 08:41.46 | bleeter | airtonix: quite |
| 08:42.02 | airtonix | lol brugh |
| 08:42.21 | Kalroth | spread to IRC? implying it wasn't here to begin with! |
| 08:42.44 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 08:42.45 | bleeter | shut up Kalroth SHUT UP ARHGAHAGHWSRHDGDfsg HGDF;iswryh esir yeri;gt7 |
| 08:43.32 | Kalroth | bleeter: watch out or we'll put you in a padded box .. with Fisker and airtonix. |
| 08:43.42 | airtonix | mUWAHAHA |
| 08:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | honestly there's really no reason to stop warlocks and hunters from queueing as tanks for 5 mans at least other than the fact that it's drastically different gameplay than normal and requires a totally different skillset |
| 08:44.20 | Mr_Rabies | 5mans are pretty much soloable for a huge chunk of classes at current normal ilvls |
| 08:44.32 | airtonix | Mr_Rabies: that's what I really found interesting about wow, but it;s hard to find people with lateral imagination to attempt it |
| 08:44.40 | airtonix | so i stopped |
| 08:44.51 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of people really, really prefer min/maxing every possible thing |
| 08:44.57 | Kalroth | Mr_Rabies: you're forgetting the fact that warlocks and hunters are less skilled players and as such they should not be put in complicated party roles |
| 08:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | like taking exactly 14 people into flex raids |
| 08:45.07 | nevcairiel | i knew a druid that tanked in cat form, successfully |
| 08:45.12 | nevcairiel | in 5 mans |
| 08:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | i tank trivial content in cat form all the time |
| 08:45.26 | nevcairiel | also, why is 14 the magic number? |
| 08:45.29 | Mr_Rabies | i did it today on change of command :p |
| 08:45.34 | Neffi | I've done it, but not during this xpac |
| 08:45.38 | Neffi | Was fun |
| 08:45.45 | Mr_Rabies | 15 tends to trigger "one more" of effects that can have up to 4, it seems, nevcairiel |
| 08:45.46 | Kalroth | things you can rely on with warlocks and hunters; wiping the party, drooling slowly, wiping the party again, going afk, coming back shortly only to wipe the party once more |
| 08:45.56 | airtonix | back in burning crusade we had a shadow priest who could tank 5 mans |
| 08:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | like the prisons for sha of pride, i think, for example |
| 08:46.48 | Mr_Rabies | in years past maybe, Kalroth, but now hunter and warlock have some of the most complicated rotations to play well |
| 08:47.12 | bleeter | back in vanilla my hunter's bear used to tank 5 mans a fair bit, got to do OT sometimes in raids |
| 08:47.24 | Kalroth | Mr_Rabies: even less reason to put them in a demanding party/raid role |
| 08:47.32 | Kalroth | er, even more the reason |
| 08:47.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i tanked scholo a LOT on my hunter, including the shaman quest |
| 08:47.40 | Kalroth | aargh |
| 08:47.51 | bleeter | but then they went and messed with rare hunter pets and scaling and blargh and I lost interest doing stuff that way |
| 08:47.51 | Kalroth | the Fisker has spread to me |
| 08:48.01 | Mr_Rabies | honestly bleeter |
| 08:48.04 | StopBluShelf | so bleeter |
| 08:48.06 | StopBluShelf | it was a |
| 08:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | i have an idea for a hunter tank spec |
| 08:48.08 | StopBluShelf | bear tank |
| 08:48.10 | StopBluShelf | :3 |
| 08:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bit divergent, but |
| 08:48.28 | Mr_Rabies | when you're in combat and togglable out of combat |
| 08:48.34 | Kalroth | http://www.ustream.tv/sfshiba discard class talk, watch shibes munch wow |
| 08:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | you control your pet directly, and your player character acts with AI with a selection of abilities |
| 08:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | so basically pet and player reverse roles in combat for my theoretical hunter tank spec |
| 08:50.12 | Neffi | "lol im a durid" |
| 08:50.29 | airtonix | what was that cyclops raid in burning crusade? |
| 08:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | gruul? |
| 08:50.45 | airtonix | ya, remember the rogue that tanked that? |
| 08:51.01 | Mr_Rabies | i remember shadow priests tanking onyxia in vanilla |
| 08:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | that shit was bananas |
| 08:51.18 | airtonix | this rogue tanked with just 5 people |
| 08:51.25 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hjs5t4BQ0 |
| 08:53.12 | Neffi | meh |
| 08:53.26 | Mr_Rabies | wow Kalroth |
| 08:53.38 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.01 | Fisker | don't compare yourself to me Kalroth |
| 08:54.08 | Kalroth | i wasn't |
| 08:54.21 | Kalroth | i was saying that you're a disease and that i caught you |
| 08:54.24 | Kalroth | like a flu |
| 08:55.47 | airtonix | Kalroth: fisker is trying to sophisticate himself out of the gutter, all propper like. admirable effort double plus good. |
| 08:56.17 | Fisker | nope airtonix |
| 08:56.32 | Mr_Rabies | a friend of an e-friend of mine raises shibe, Kalroth |
| 08:56.41 | Mr_Rabies | well, akite |
| 08:56.44 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.kaijukennels.com/ |
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| 08:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | japanese doge nonetheless |
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| 09:03.09 | Kalroth | Mr_Rabies: can you send me one in a box please |
| 09:03.47 | Mr_Rabies | wow such suffocate |
| 09:04.01 | g0urra | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.12 | Kalroth | well poke holes in the box, duh! |
| 09:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'll poke holes in you |
| 09:04.47 | Kalroth | :/ |
| 09:05.01 | g0urra | can you not wow such holes |
| 09:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | dangit these wrinklers are refusing to give up their delicious halloween cookies |
| 09:05.28 | Mr_Rabies | i want your cookies, foul beasts of the grandmapocalypse |
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| 09:15.46 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/0o6wftr.jpg fuck resto druids in particular |
| 09:16.04 | Kalroth | aww |
| 09:19.54 | bluspacecow | @Fisker you farted and that happened ? |
| 09:20.09 | Fisker | yep |
| 09:20.22 | Fisker | 1 casualty in Denmark |
| 09:20.55 | Fisker | not sure how many other places in the world |
| 09:21.25 | g0urra | not enough danes dead |
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| 09:23.15 | Fisker | rude |
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| 09:24.06 | Fisker | any casualties in Sweden? |
| 09:24.08 | karl_w_w | attack hugs bluspacecow |
| 09:24.17 | bluspacecow | gasp! |
| 09:24.27 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 09:24.34 | bluspacecow | im out of the shower now nvm |
| 09:25.53 | g0urra | nope |
| 09:25.56 | g0urra | swedish master race |
| 09:26.37 | Fisker | you finished last in the casualty race |
| 09:26.59 | g0urra | 7 germans dead |
| 09:27.04 | g0urra | 2 dead in netherlands |
| 09:27.09 | g0urra | 2 dead danes |
| 09:27.14 | g0urra | 4 dead brits |
| 09:28.11 | Fisker | so the germans finally won the world championship |
| 09:28.32 | nevcairiel | i only saw like 4 dead cars on my way to work |
| 09:28.37 | bleeter | yes, but can they tank? |
| 09:28.55 | g0urra | cars are dead anyway |
| 09:29.21 | Fisker | btw Kalroth |
| 09:29.31 | Kalroth | yessir? |
| 09:29.39 | Fisker | I'm going to find you and ride you |
| 09:29.45 | Kalroth | woop |
| 09:29.50 | g0urra | btw Fisker another storm coming |
| 09:29.51 | Kalroth | i'll find a saddle |
| 09:32.15 | Fisker | when g0urra ? |
| 09:33.35 | g0urra | Soon |
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| 09:35.00 | Fisker | good |
| 09:35.21 | Fisker | let's hope it finishes the job |
| 09:35.37 | g0urra | wiping out the brits? |
| 09:35.39 | g0urra | or danes |
| 09:35.51 | Fisker | resto druids |
| 09:36.46 | nevcairiel | we can heal ourselves! |
| 09:36.54 | nevcairiel | a broken twig doesnt kill us |
| 09:37.09 | Fisker | I'm thinking |
| 09:37.39 | Fisker | adjusting for population we probably lost the most people |
| 09:37.47 | Fisker | so we won actually |
| 09:37.49 | nevcairiel | well there you go |
| 09:37.58 | nevcairiel | thats a competition you can win any day |
| 09:38.09 | Fisker | danish master race |
| 09:38.27 | bleeter | and don't you forget it! |
| 09:38.40 | Fisker | as long as we win over the swedes |
| 09:39.05 | bleeter | what did the swedes ever do for us? |
| 09:39.09 | Fisker | already the happiest people on earth |
| 09:39.37 | Fisker | that's what they say atleast |
| 09:40.33 | g0urra | we're not happy Fisker |
| 09:40.35 | g0urra | that's a lie |
| 09:41.00 | Fisker | but we are |
| 09:41.12 | g0urra | hm no |
| 09:41.17 | g0urra | also new cookie clicker update |
| 09:55.10 | rid_ | wow |
| 09:58.57 | bleeter | does the battle.net launcher foo work in Wine? |
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| 10:04.59 | karl_w_w | no bleeter |
| 10:05.08 | karl_w_w | because maintenance |
| 10:06.38 | karl_w_w | in other news, I have Nobby's nuts in my hand |
| 10:10.28 | airtonix | how does nobby feel about that? |
| 10:13.00 | airtonix | www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdbJP8Gxqog |
| 10:13.30 | karl_w_w | Nobby loves it |
| 10:14.53 | karl_w_w | probably because I keep nibbling on them |
| 10:17.13 | airtonix | 3d printed houses ... now where is skynet? |
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| 10:28.28 | Arrowmaster | i just realized i only have 8 days till i leave for blizzcon, i need to start packing at some point here |
| 10:29.20 | karl_w_w | lucky bastards |
| 10:29.42 | karl_w_w | I'd have to be either much richer or much more conveniently located to attend blizzcon |
| 10:29.49 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue where any of my stuff is |
| 10:30.46 | karl_w_w | although in reality I'd be more likely to go to something like E3 |
| 10:31.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont like E3 anymore (ive never been) |
| 10:31.20 | Arrowmaster | its just a huge hype thing now |
| 10:31.37 | Arrowmaster | id think id rather goto PAX than E3 |
| 10:32.08 | karl_w_w | pax is like e3 :P |
| 10:32.24 | Arrowmaster | close but not quite |
| 10:33.26 | Arrowmaster | e3 is supposed to be for the industry but even though its limited attendance they go all out on marketing towards the consumers at it just because of all the media coverage |
| 10:37.50 | karl_w_w | maybe I'll go to pax australia next year |
| 10:38.09 | karl_w_w | though it is in melbourne and I wouldn't want to catch hipsteritis |
| 10:39.13 | karl_w_w | and flights are likely to cost 2x a ticket |
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| 10:50.04 | airtonix | karl_w_w: fucking hipsters... how do they work? |
| 10:50.37 | karl_w_w | I have no idea |
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| 11:26.29 | g0urra | one of the best halloween costumes I've seen http://i.imgur.com/cBrno8k.jpg |
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| 11:29.31 | rid_ | dont get it |
| 11:36.01 | g0urra | http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/the_hangover2_07.jpg |
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| 11:56.57 | rid_ | eh |
| 11:56.58 | rid_ | okay :D |
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| 12:02.30 | airtonix | so is that actually zach galifianakis? |
| 12:03.13 | airtonix | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ca8e174a54/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-justin-bieber |
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| 12:40.36 | bluexiledcow | :( |
| 12:43.42 | Kalroth | yes |
| 12:43.53 | Kalroth | http://files-cdn.formspring.me/photos/20130619/n51c1b5bc62d59.gif |
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| 12:55.17 | Industrial | if I ever make my own OS |
| 12:55.32 | Industrial | I'm not going to put in an option to allow apps to steal focus. ever. |
| 12:55.59 | Industrial | unexpected interactions ftfl |
| 13:07.35 | karl_w_w | most comprehensive patch notes ever |
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| 13:22.33 | alestane | Anyone have personal or secondhand experience with buying a manufacturer-refurbished laptop? |
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| 13:32.48 | karl_w_w | ipod touch |
| 13:32.51 | karl_w_w | chuckles |
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| 13:34.50 | airtonix | karl_w_w: jerk |
| 13:35.06 | karl_w_w | no thanks I'm good |
| 13:35.36 | karl_w_w | airtonix, do I want to play metro 2033 or tomb raider? |
| 13:35.50 | airtonix | neither |
| 13:35.56 | airtonix | they don't run on linux |
| 13:36.05 | Kalroth | sure they do |
| 13:36.20 | airtonix | oh they have native binaries now? awesome where? |
| 13:36.23 | nevcairiel | i liked tomb raider |
| 13:36.45 | Kalroth | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=27776 |
| 13:36.54 | airtonix | native -_- |
| 13:37.09 | airtonix | also silver |
| 13:37.09 | Kalroth | you didn't say native, you just said "they don't run on linux" |
| 13:38.11 | Kalroth | besides that, gpu drivers on linux are like windows me drivers |
| 13:38.35 | Kalroth | so you'd be fucked even with a native port |
| 13:39.06 | Torhal | bluipodcow: o.O |
| 13:39.43 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: tomb raider is the better of those two games, but i like metro 2033 a lot too |
| 13:40.05 | airtonix | aren't they both roller coaster games? |
| 13:41.03 | Kalroth | metro 2033 is, tomb raider gives you a lot more freedom |
| 13:41.23 | karl_w_w | I'm part way through both of them :P |
| 13:41.41 | karl_w_w | much further in metro than tr |
| 13:41.41 | Kalroth | so why did you ask airtonix! |
| 13:41.53 | karl_w_w | because airtonix is my answer for everything |
| 13:41.57 | Kalroth | :O |
| 13:42.16 | Kalroth | airtonix is your 42, that's so romantic |
| 13:42.53 | karl_w_w | sure, romantic |
| 13:44.42 | airtonix | there's enough of me to go around. |
| 13:44.47 | airtonix | no need to fight |
| 13:51.40 | karl_w_w | oh but i have forgotten the tr controls |
| 13:53.20 | karl_w_w | i died already |
| 13:53.22 | karl_w_w | go me |
| 13:53.49 | Industrial | wow i love the assassins creed 3 story so far. Never played these games. Should I have played 2 and 1 before 3? |
| 13:54.08 | Industrial | seq 5 now :) |
| 13:54.18 | karl_w_w | there is fucking no cover here |
| 13:56.06 | karl_w_w | omg and everything is on fire |
| 13:56.35 | karl_w_w | i love the bow and arrow combat, but im shit at this game :P |
| 13:58.40 | karl_w_w | ok i made it |
| 13:59.05 | karl_w_w | "go ham son" was the solution |
| 13:59.30 | karl_w_w | i still cant get over how good this hair looks |
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| 14:04.28 | drakku | hi |
| 14:04.32 | drakku | Semlar: are u there? :P |
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| 14:26.12 | eXemplar | is the ptr build and live build now both 17538 ? |
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| 15:08.48 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 15:09.03 | Maldivia | (on US, EU not updated yet) |
| 15:16.23 | TGiFallen | damn im feelin dumb right now, yesterday I asked if anyone remembers what exactly blizz did to break AVR, then i forgot hte answer :( |
| 15:16.30 | TGiFallen | and i can't scroll up to it now |
| 15:17.11 | nevcairiel | the camera information is no longer available realtime |
| 15:17.25 | nevcairiel | so you cant know what you're looking at |
| 15:17.42 | TGiFallen | ahh |
| 15:17.52 | TGiFallen | what do you mean real time, can you get it delayed now or what? |
| 15:18.04 | nevcairiel | no idea when the information updates |
| 15:18.09 | nevcairiel | but no where fast enough to be useful |
| 15:18.10 | TC-Work | <TGiFallen> anyone remember the AVR addon? |
| 15:18.11 | TC-Work | <Kaylin> yes |
| 15:18.11 | TC-Work | <TGiFallen> do you remember what blizzard did to break it? |
| 15:18.11 | TC-Work | <Neffi> Tweaked the camera API IIRC |
| 15:18.11 | TC-Work | <Neffi> Made it impossible to figure out an angle or some such |
| 15:18.29 | TGiFallen | damn how do you have that much scroll back TC? |
| 15:18.38 | TC-Work | I never close my clients |
| 15:18.42 | nevcairiel | i have scrollback from the last two years |
| 15:18.42 | Maldivia | it's called logs and always on clients :) |
| 15:18.43 | airtonix | basically, TGiFallen it's pointless worrying about it |
| 15:18.43 | TGiFallen | neither did I :( |
| 15:18.44 | nevcairiel | and iclose my client |
| 15:18.47 | nevcairiel | its called quassel :D |
| 15:18.51 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 15:19.10 | Maldivia | deteched-screen works for me :) |
| 15:19.10 | TGiFallen | I didn't close my client, but it's strange, and yeah air i was just curious |
| 15:19.59 | TGiFallen | because when i was reading about it, it was misusing some functionality but i would have had a hard time believing blizzard broke too many features |
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| 15:56.11 | Semlar | drakku: what's up? |
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| 15:57.44 | Semlar | nevcairiel: we don't have access to the camera angle cvars at all any more |
| 15:58.03 | nevcairiel | i thought they just made them only update on logout or something |
| 15:58.14 | nevcairiel | but same shit really |
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| 16:01.11 | Semlar | there were cameraYaw and Pitch cvars i think you could use to determine the angle and neither one returns anything in game any more |
| 16:01.56 | Semlar | you might be able to set them though, not sue |
| 16:01.58 | Semlar | sure* |
| 16:03.19 | nevcairiel | well the big deal was that they updated in realtime |
| 16:03.22 | Semlar | http://wowpedia.org/Console_variables/Complete_list/Character there are like a million camera variables on here |
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| 16:03.24 | nevcairiel | and i thought they just disabled that |
| 16:03.36 | nevcairiel | but i never really checked |
| 16:04.28 | Fisker | many camera variables were restricted heavily yeah |
| 16:10.04 | bluipodcow | But your not ain't ya darling ? |
| 16:10.16 | bluipodcow | *blows kiss* |
| 16:10.30 | TC-Work | I doubt that is the only thing you blow. |
| 16:11.45 | Industrial | Anyone played assassins creed 3 im stuck :( found a walkthrough. doesnt cover this bit. |
| 16:12.43 | Industrial | I've been given access to the harbormaster for the first time but when I interact I see the naval map with nothing on it. The harbormaster is flashing so it's the next thing I need to do but I can't do anything with it :\ |
| 16:17.33 | bluipodcow | http://24.media.tumblr.com/c42ce4fdc04b6ed1c3979ebe08bca2fa/tumblr_mknwy2nWFe1r852o9o1_250.gif |
| 16:20.45 | mikma | http://youtu.be/f9vaDnkWPdA |
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| 16:34.29 | karl_w_w | "i hate tombs" - lara croft 2013 |
| 16:38.03 | Industrial | omg homestead improvement and otem crafting the keeps getting better |
| 16:38.06 | Industrial | item |
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| 17:18.42 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.16 | pompy | Newegg on their ebay page are selling ps3/360 copies of battlefield 4 for $43+free shipping http://www.techbargains.com/jump.cfm?clkSubId=C372192C0A00372192C85&afsrc=1&id=7521&arg=301000231073 |
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| 17:24.26 | Semlar | can you get the name of your focus target in the protected environment somehow |
| 17:24.44 | Semlar | i can't figure out what you can actually call from this |
| 17:27.33 | TC-Work | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/halloween2013 if anyone is interested. |
| 17:27.39 | TC-Work | It's something of a mini sale. |
| 17:33.59 | fewyn | nothing super interesting |
| 17:34.04 | fewyn | plus i don't have any money to spend |
| 17:34.14 | fewyn | so good on all accounts |
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| 17:39.40 | bluipodcow | Titan panel still going ? |
| 17:40.57 | TC-Work | Going where? |
| 17:42.25 | bluipodcow | Being updated and actively main tainwd |
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| 17:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, that would be a blast from the past if it were. |
| 17:45.39 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 17:45.52 | Torhal | They added LDB support back in '08 |
| 17:46.23 | Industrial | welcome to the brotherhood connor |
| 17:46.28 | Industrial | chills down my spine |
| 17:46.32 | Industrial | :o |
| 17:47.46 | Industrial | Why do they call it 'synching' by the way. isnt't it 'syncing' ? |
| 17:48.16 | Torhal | It's usually abbreviated as "syncing" but it's synchronizing, so... |
| 17:48.36 | Industrial | yea not synschornizing |
| 17:48.44 | Industrial | yea not synschronizing |
| 17:50.15 | Semlar | sinking? |
| 17:50.26 | Torhal | Only your Battleship, Semlar. |
| 17:50.37 | Semlar | you stay away from my battleship |
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| 17:57.45 | pompy | you're so clever mr torhal |
| 17:58.22 | TC-Work | Could be worse, could be battleshits |
| 17:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | Battleshots for the win. |
| 17:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Or for the lose, I don't care. |
| 18:00.17 | pompy | way to go little kid, jeez ... http://fenwayrefugees.com/posts/24475 .... kids these days.. |
| 18:00.30 | Torhal | pompy: I am? Howso? |
| 18:00.41 | pompy | (10/29/2013 1:48:24 PM) Torhal: Only your Battleship, Semlar. |
| 18:01.03 | pompy | hai torhal. |
| 18:01.10 | Torhal | Erro. |
| 18:06.18 | Semlar | anyone have any idea what they did in the last patch |
| 18:06.28 | Semlar | it apparently broke some addons |
| 18:06.31 | TC-Work | The patch notes? |
| 18:06.56 | Semlar | the patch notes were There were a number of bug fixes and data added for use at a later date. |
| 18:08.19 | Semlar | so.. |
| 18:08.43 | Semlar | if they have more detailed notes i don't know where they are |
| 18:11.54 | foxlit | meh, it's not wednesday. There is no patch. |
| 18:13.11 | Semlar | there was a patch and it apparently broke things |
| 18:13.54 | Semlar | 2 people in my guild are complaining about their addons |
| 18:16.02 | Ressy | 5.4.1 |
| 18:16.04 | pompy | Semlar: did you check the diff? |
| 18:16.26 | Semlar | what diff |
| 18:16.30 | pompy | ~framexml |
| 18:16.31 | purl | methinks framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 18:16.39 | bluipodcow | Titans broke |
| 18:17.17 | bluipodcow | Need to yard code you server name into its code |
| 18:17.25 | bluipodcow | ....... |
| 18:17.36 | bluipodcow | Hard code not yard code lol |
| 18:17.58 | Semlar | what now |
| 18:18.30 | bluipodcow | YARD CODE |
| 18:18.37 | bluipodcow | With leaves n shit |
| 18:18.58 | Semlar | titan panel? |
| 18:19.24 | Semlar | why would it need your server! |
| 18:20.11 | TC-Work | Because some plugins use that info |
| 18:20.58 | Semlar | did they change GetRealmName? |
| 18:21.09 | Semlar | seems to work |
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| 18:25.28 | Semlar | bluipodcow: where |
| 18:32.38 | drakku | here now |
| 18:32.59 | drakku | Semlar: i want to ask u, do u remember the castbar i made? |
| 18:33.47 | Semlar | pompy: the last commit was from june? |
| 18:34.19 | Semlar | drakku: the one with the weird shape? |
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| 18:41.36 | Primer | lots of taint in this latest update |
| 18:42.08 | Primer | can't even pull up the map without a popup saying "Some addon has been blocked from an action..." |
| 18:43.11 | Semlar | they apparently removed the realmName cvar |
| 18:44.11 | Unkle | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10388188987#3 |
| 18:44.48 | Unkle | Someone's been looking at it and found what they discussed there. |
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| 18:46.21 | Amarande | Unkle: ugh, please don't tell me WoW is going to go the way of LOTRO UI-wise :( |
| 18:46.37 | Amarande | where gradually we're going to start losing the wonderful control we have atm because of gradual introduction of features for an in-game store :| |
| 18:46.59 | drakku | yes |
| 18:47.14 | drakku | i have a problem with it, the "progress" castbar is not shown random times |
| 18:47.24 | Amarande | That happened to LOTRO, and eventually there was a very sudden cessation of support for a lot of the UI tweaks and the nigh universal belief of the user base was that it was in order to stop people from suppressing the heavy promotion of the Store in the default UI |
| 18:47.30 | drakku | only shows background and numbers of casttime and no more |
| 18:47.43 | Amarande | I would hate to see WoW go that way, I might go to LOTRO or SW:TOR if I had to suffer with the default UI :| |
| 18:47.49 | Amarande | as in for good heh |
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| 18:52.17 | Unkle | Amarande: I don't know what's going on, really. I just noticed the thread moments before Primer said something. |
| 18:52.46 | Amarande | Unkle: the specific function cited suggests that we're starting to have the rug pulled out from under us in order to introduce parental controls for an upcoming in-game store |
| 18:52.49 | Amarande | that is not good |
| 18:52.58 | Unkle | I've been too busy with move-prep and other stuff to do more than read forums and finish some quick dialies re: wow |
| 18:53.02 | Amarande | I know people have dismissed me as conspiracy theorist before, but there are a lot of indications of a move towards an in-game store as definite fact |
| 18:53.25 | Amarande | and I've seen MMOs that used to have robust Lua based scripting have that feature sink like a stone because of the store or desire to promote it |
| 18:53.30 | Amarande | see: above thing that happened to LOTRO |
| 18:53.31 | Amarande | :| |
| 18:53.38 | Semlar | does anyone know if GetCVar("realmName") was returning the server name with or without spaces |
| 18:54.16 | Amarande | a particularly strongly integrated store could possibly kill wow ui customisation altogether |
| 18:54.23 | Amarande | especially with the nexus with taint |
| 18:54.44 | Amarande | (LOTRO didn't have taint so it looks like the UI customisation collapsed by them stopping providing necessary support files) |
| 18:55.08 | Unkle | I think you may be overreacting based on too little information. |
| 18:55.36 | Amarande | I could probably bet money that any store-related features would be heavily protected UI (given that the parental controls thing seems to be protected and introduce taint every which way this is probably truth) |
| 18:55.51 | Amarande | which means an ever increasing number of things would have to break because of it seeping in :| |
| 18:56.26 | Torhal | Amarande: The in-game store is completely sandboxed; you can't get to it from AddOns. |
| 18:58.11 | Amarande | Torhal: but apparently *it* can get *to* addons, judging by the name of the function that's mentioned in the above thread as causing taint issues |
| 18:59.10 | Amarande | it looks like a question of whether as soon as the store becomes developed enough, we're going to start losing even more control over even more frames because of a protected store related function being called as part of normal frame usage |
| 19:00.30 | Torhal | They fucked up. |
| 19:00.35 | Torhal | They've done it before. |
| 19:00.38 | Torhal | It'll be fixed. |
| 19:00.46 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm not certain what the impact will be. |
| 19:01.01 | Amarande | I suppose worst case would be the only useful addons would start to be things like Recount that use their own dedicated frames. |
| 19:01.03 | Unkle | Torhal: is it too early for whiskey? |
| 19:01.06 | Torhal | Going all chicken-little about it does nothing, however. |
| 19:01.10 | Torhal | Unkle: NEVAR |
| 19:01.19 | TC-Work | Just think of it as an extended last night |
| 19:01.23 | Amarande | Torhal: yeah, perhaps an overreaction |
| 19:01.24 | Unkle | That's my boy! |
| 19:01.29 | Amarande | although we HAVE lost control of things that used to be givens before |
| 19:01.46 | Amarande | e.g. EBB and the like permanently losing functionality because of a decision to make buff clickoff be protected |
| 19:01.51 | Fisker | it's always too early for alcohol |
| 19:02.12 | Amarande | I remember that one being a particularly chaos-inducing moment, too heh |
| 19:02.15 | TC-Work | But never to late. |
| 19:02.25 | TC-Work | too* |
| 19:03.15 | Amarande | (Mostly because the patch that caused it hit right during Hallow's End and heavy addon users like me suddenly found we couldn't easily undo Hallowed Wands that impaired character functionality ... I remember delving into how to use /cancelaura manually because of that one heh) |
| 19:05.31 | Amarande | I kind of miss EBB, although now I just use that spot on the screen for QuestGuru's tracker anyway and use the blizz buff icons :S |
| 19:08.08 | Amarande | but yeah, if the addon functionality ever became permanently gimped I'd probably move on to LOTRO or TOR or FF14 for good |
| 19:08.42 | Amarande | I'm simply too used to the specific modded styles I tend to use, while I have no such retraining to do in other MMOs |
| 19:14.46 | Amarande | anyway time to go do more O.C. tweaks. |
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| 19:25.48 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 19:25.52 | Semlar | i'm almost positive you can still cancel an aura automatically outside of combat |
| 19:26.20 | Semlar | i don't remember the last time i checked though |
| 19:26.51 | Neffi | Oh heh |
| 19:27.19 | Neffi | In ESO becoming a werewolf marks you as a beast type, and a vampire marks you as undead. Beast Slayers will have a natural upperhand against you in PvP. |
| 19:27.53 | Neffi | Sounds cool, but brings back memories of early WoW PvP when Forsaken were undead. I hope they factor in the possibilities. |
| 19:28.54 | Neffi | Semlar: I'm quite sure they protected that a little while ago |
| 19:29.09 | Semlar | it's protected in combat |
| 19:29.27 | Neffi | Let me dig into my code and see if I do it |
| 19:29.58 | Semlar | i wrote an addon to automatically cancel the turkey buff or something for somebody a while back |
| 19:30.06 | Semlar | i know it worked then |
| 19:30.10 | Neffi | Wow. I haven't touched this code in a long time, and I have no idea wtf I was doing with it |
| 19:30.47 | Neffi | In my sort function, if either a or b are == 0, I set them to math.huge for some reason. wtf was I on? |
| 19:31.23 | Neffi | Ohhh. I was sorting buffs without a duration at the end. Ok. |
| 19:31.51 | Semlar | probably the same thing those people arguing that they needed 1/0 to return inf or somethin |
| 19:32.16 | Neffi | No. I handle 1/0 properly in all my code |
| 19:32.32 | Neffi | I had to, once I learned that giving a texture a size of 1/0 has undefined and hilarious results |
| 19:32.33 | Semlar | like, they were actually using that for their sort function |
| 19:32.41 | Semlar | they needed to compare against it |
| 19:32.47 | Neffi | Why would my sort function have to divide at all? |
| 19:33.45 | Semlar | i do know giving a texture no value for setsize makes it default to its real size |
| 19:33.54 | Neffi | I have sort functions for almost everything, and none of them have to do shit like that. The only magic I do is if I want buffs without durations to be last in the sort order, so I check for ==0 and set to math.huge. Whu would I use 1/0? |
| 19:34.07 | Semlar | and that was the only way i could figure out whether a texture path existed or not |
| 19:34.14 | Neffi | Semlar: Yes it does. The problem is when your texture is a color. |
| 19:34.42 | Semlar | that was a horrible solution though |
| 19:34.49 | Neffi | Setting its size to 0 or 1/0 will usually make it show up as 0 pixels wide, but sometimes may make it skew in any random direction, with any random size |
| 19:35.21 | Neffi | I could have my status bar suddenly covering the screen when I died |
| 19:35.38 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 19:35.42 | Neffi | anyway I think you might be right about it only being protected in combat |
| 19:35.58 | Semlar | aren't i always? |
| 19:36.02 | Semlar | >_> |
| 19:36.03 | Neffi | no |
| 19:36.04 | Semlar | <_< |
| 19:36.06 | Neffi | lol |
| 19:36.50 | Semlar | wowprogramming claims it requires a hardware event but i think that only applies if you're in combat |
| 19:37.31 | Neffi | I do remember being able to auto-cancel things outside of combat, even after I changed my buff frames over to the secure system |
| 19:37.37 | Neffi | But I can't confirm that it's still the case |
| 19:37.53 | Semlar | i can |
| 19:38.10 | Neffi | You should correct wowprogramming then |
| 19:38.17 | Semlar | unless typing /run counts as a hardware event |
| 19:38.36 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that's all unsecure |
| 19:39.00 | Neffi | I believe it does count as a hardware event, because what actually initiates the /run is the enter key |
| 19:39.12 | Neffi | To properly test you should use an OnUpdate to fire it |
| 19:39.18 | karl_w_w | it was during wrath I think, they made it so you couldn't cancel an aura at all other than by right clicking the default ui |
| 19:39.22 | Semlar | but that would require actually writing something! |
| 19:39.23 | foxlit | yawn. Is there any reason you're even bothering with this? |
| 19:39.29 | karl_w_w | or by using a /run |
| 19:39.32 | karl_w_w | I think |
| 19:39.52 | karl_w_w | then something like 1 patch later they removed the restriction out of combat |
| 19:39.54 | Neffi | Well they never made only the default UI capable of it ;) |
| 19:40.21 | Neffi | There's a type attribute called "cancelaura" |
| 19:42.47 | Neffi | Semlar: That wasn't so hard to write: /run CreateFrame'Frame':SetScript('OnUpdate',function(s) CANCELAURA(...) s:Hide() end) |
| 19:43.17 | Neffi | Replace with the correct API obviously |
| 19:43.19 | Semlar | CANCELAURA IS NOT A THING |
| 19:43.36 | Neffi | You want me to check the reference for you too? >_> |
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| 19:44.44 | Semlar | hey i don't care if it works |
| 19:44.50 | Neffi | h'ok |
| 19:51.59 | foxlit | Semlar: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=286359 << boo. |
| 19:52.07 | foxlit | What's this "I'm not sure how early" laziness? |
| 19:52.18 | Semlar | not checkin that |
| 19:52.21 | Semlar | don't care |
| 19:52.54 | foxlit | So why post anything at all? |
| 19:53.36 | Neffi | Because "realmName" is no longer a valid CVar? |
| 19:54.01 | Neffi | Oh and I don't know how many other people have this, but I just found it last night |
| 19:54.11 | Neffi | An updated copy of Stack Overflow's old "free programming books": http://resrc.io/list/10/list-of-free-programming-books/ |
| 19:54.14 | Semlar | well, it is true that i did extend myself more than usual just to write that.. |
| 19:55.38 | foxlit | could've just linked http://wowpedia.org/Patch_5.4.1/API_changes |
| 19:57.41 | fewyn | man so many addons being broken after this patch |
| 19:57.53 | fewyn | it makes me sad |
| 19:58.05 | Semlar | oh yeah? |
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| 20:12.02 | Neffi | ~seen Amarande |
| 20:12.10 | purl | amarande <amarande@24-151-100-63.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 57m 24s ago, saying: 'anyway time to go do more O.C. tweaks.'. |
| 20:12.27 | Neffi | I hope he didn't blow his new chip >_> |
| 20:13.00 | nevcairiel | i hope he did, then we have silence for a while |
| 20:13.03 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:13.15 | Neffi | lol |
| 20:14.26 | Neffi | nevcairiel: You like beer, right? |
| 20:14.39 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 20:14.47 | Neffi | Recommend me a good German beer |
| 20:15.37 | Neffi | Just had some Optimator. I want to broaden my tastes. |
| 20:16.04 | Aeger73 | Torhal, ARL is throwing IsDisabledByParentalControls() errors when Mapster is opened |
| 20:16.21 | Ressy | ... |
| 20:16.43 | Aeger73 | wtf does ARL have to do with Mapster no idea heh |
| 20:16.50 | Ressy | You update Mapster? |
| 20:16.51 | nevcairiel | depends what you like, I like Paulaner Weißbier and Becks |
| 20:17.12 | Neffi | My uncle's always recommending Becks. Maybe I'll give it a shot. |
| 20:17.13 | Ressy | nevcairiel just pushed an update for Mapster ~30 mins ago. |
| 20:17.33 | Aeger73 | hasnt hit curse client then |
| 20:17.34 | Neffi | Aeger73: IIRC ARL hooks the map to show you where recipes are |
| 20:17.43 | nevcairiel | Aeger73: its also only alpha |
| 20:19.07 | Aeger73 | alpha seems to work ok |
| 20:19.41 | pompy | just another taint issue introduced by blizzard after a patch |
| 20:21.50 | Semlar | who doesn't like taint |
| 20:22.04 | foxlit | the thing is, it's more brain-dead than usual. |
| 20:22.10 | Neffi | To be fair, Blizzard doesn't introduce taint issues we (authors) do |
| 20:22.23 | nevcairiel | this one is all blizzard |
| 20:22.27 | Neffi | They just don't make it particularly easy to avoid |
| 20:22.44 | foxlit | "hey, let's protect this function... which... returns information about parental controls?" |
| 20:22.53 | foxlit | "Sure thing Bob, I don't even know what protection means anymore." |
| 20:23.04 | Neffi | God-dammit Bob |
| 20:23.44 | foxlit | I'd suggest you patch it by doing function C_StorePublic.IsDisabledByParentalControls() return false end, but that taints talents. |
| 20:23.49 | foxlit | s/false/true/ |
| 20:24.09 | nevcairiel | foxlit: how does that taint talents? |
| 20:24.26 | nevcairiel | that function is only used in one place, as far as i can see |
| 20:24.34 | Neffi | So, parental controls can disable individual UI features? |
| 20:24.45 | nevcairiel | just the ingame store |
| 20:25.00 | nevcairiel | which we dont even have |
| 20:25.06 | foxlit | yes, nevcairiel. |
| 20:25.21 | Neffi | Hmm |
| 20:25.31 | nevcairiel | you cant answer how? with yes :P |
| 20:25.31 | Neffi | Is there any easy way to get a diff between two versions on WowAce? |
| 20:25.34 | Neffi | I wanna see this taint issue |
| 20:26.07 | Neffi | Nvm. It'll be quicker to just diff it myself than find some way |
| 20:26.17 | foxlit | I'm just confirming your assertion. |
| 20:26.40 | MysticalOS | lets just see if blizz fixes it before enabling store |
| 20:26.53 | foxlit | The rest is straightforward -- "if hooking that taints talents, that single place must be on the critical path for the talentui" |
| 20:27.08 | nevcairiel | but that one place where its used is so easily tainted anyhow |
| 20:27.58 | Neffi | Now I wonder what's going on |
| 20:28.09 | Neffi | How does entirely redefining the function fix any taint? |
| 20:28.13 | Torhal | Aeger73: Are you sure it's ARL or a library ARL uses which is shared by Mapster? |
| 20:28.45 | Aeger73 | I blame Bugsack |
| 20:28.46 | foxlit | It fixes the error, Neffi, not the taint. |
| 20:28.53 | Neffi | Ah, ok |
| 20:29.05 | Aeger73 | Alpha Maapster update fixed it Torhal |
| 20:29.30 | foxlit | If the execution path is tainted, the call is equivalent to error(); the joke was that you should replace it with a nullop, break the StoreUI in the process (because why not?), and coincidentally taint talentui. |
| 20:29.53 | Neffi | NP++'s compare/diff plugin isn't very good |
| 20:30.29 | nevcairiel | i applied the replace fix earlier, lets see if my talents are broke |
| 20:31.39 | Primer | Are there now patch notes for 5.4.1? |
| 20:31.46 | Neffi | Does anyone know of an alternate diff plugin for NP++ that doesn't totally mess up syntax highlighting |
| 20:31.47 | Primer | Can't find anything |
| 20:32.07 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i can switch specs, unlearn and re-learn talents, what exactly is broken? :) |
| 20:32.23 | foxlit | you should not be able to unlearn talents. |
| 20:32.38 | nevcairiel | worked for me! |
| 20:33.13 | foxlit | hm, it's not called. |
| 20:33.27 | Neffi | Your taint probably exists elsewhere |
| 20:33.46 | Neffi | s/elsewhere/Elsweyr/ |
| 20:33.48 | Neffi | blame the cats |
| 20:33.55 | Semlar | that's usually a safe bet |
| 20:34.28 | Neffi | What I don't get is, when the moons of Nirn disappeared for 2 solid years in the 3rd(?) era, did Khajiits just stop breeding? |
| 20:34.38 | Neffi | They depend on the moon cycle to define their subspecies. |
| 20:34.46 | Neffi | Or did they just all grow into housecats? |
| 20:35.05 | Neffi | This matter requires much research |
| 20:35.21 | Semlar | there's a lot less talking in #wowace |
| 20:35.23 | foxlit | nevcairiel: how exactly did you test? |
| 20:37.36 | foxlit | I did /run function C_StorePublic.IsDisabledByParentalControls = function() print("hi") end, hit N (chat frame says "hi"), tried to change talents, failed. |
| 20:38.19 | nevcairiel | lets see again |
| 20:38.35 | Neffi | Does anyone have a .zip of the current FrameXML? |
| 20:38.40 | Neffi | I'll try to trace through it and help out |
| 20:38.44 | nevcairiel | ~framexml |
| 20:38.45 | purl | well, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 20:38.48 | nevcairiel | you can extract it |
| 20:38.56 | Neffi | I don't have the client installed |
| 20:39.09 | Neffi | Oh, go-hero provides a download |
| 20:39.41 | MysticalOS | with the hi print, are you probably doing the chat frame taint that breaks talents |
| 20:39.49 | MysticalOS | the one libchatanim fixes |
| 20:39.56 | nevcairiel | print shouldnt taint anythin' |
| 20:40.27 | MysticalOS | if it can cause one of chat tabs to flash, maybe |
| 20:40.59 | nevcairiel | hm now it fails here too, wonder why not earlier |
| 20:41.08 | nevcairiel | but the big question then is, how to fix it? :p |
| 20:41.25 | Neffi | Well for one, that function only appears once in the FrameXML, and that's in UpdateMicroButtons() |
| 20:41.36 | nevcairiel | we figured that out |
| 20:41.36 | Neffi | I'll see if I can find why that would leak into talents. I'll be a while. |
| 20:41.50 | foxlit | The print isn't important; I just wanted you to confirm your hook runs |
| 20:42.24 | foxlit | If you typed the function name, it wouldn't do anything fun |
| 20:42.44 | foxlit | typoed, autocorrect |
| 20:42.58 | nevcairiel | and the problem starts because PlayerTalentFrame_OnShow calls UpdateMicroButtons |
| 20:43.14 | Neffi | Oh, I guess I'm useless then >_> |
| 20:43.35 | foxlit | Yes |
| 20:44.01 | nevcairiel | so, nothing we can do about it? |
| 20:44.18 | foxlit | Don't taint UMB. |
| 20:44.30 | nevcairiel | well sure |
| 20:44.40 | nevcairiel | the problem is that UMB is called from so many places |
| 20:44.53 | nevcairiel | like, any map addon is probably going to c ause a blocked popup because the maps onshow calls it |
| 20:45.02 | nevcairiel | for whatever crazy reason |
| 20:45.05 | MysticalOS | so use the other fix?, break UMB instead? |
| 20:45.06 | foxlit | that is less of a problem than you might think |
| 20:45.12 | MysticalOS | all it breaks is showing buttons pressed in |
| 20:45.36 | nevcairiel | breaking UMB would be the same taint |
| 20:45.39 | MysticalOS | and updating icons like when you change your helm |
| 20:45.41 | MysticalOS | hmm |
| 20:45.53 | foxlit | (At least as far as talent ui is concerned. The erroring store is idiocy) |
| 20:46.13 | nevcairiel | well yes, its not going to break talents anymore then |
| 20:47.07 | Neffi | You sure about that? |
| 20:47.31 | MysticalOS | so your fix breaks talents basically? |
| 20:47.35 | MysticalOS | you have to choose, working map or working talents? |
| 20:47.45 | Neffi | A lot of variables are set in the path of _OnShow(). That taint should propegate and break most of the talent frame. |
| 20:47.57 | nevcairiel | the problem i'm facing is that WorldMapFrame_OnShow calls UMB, and before that it accesses WORLDMAP_SETTINGS.size ... which i taint, and don't really get around tainting either |
| 20:47.58 | foxlit | My "fix" was a joke. |
| 20:49.02 | Semlar | my solution was to build my map from scratch |
| 20:49.23 | Semlar | and override the hotkey |
| 20:49.27 | Neffi | Not really in the scope of what Mapster was designed for |
| 20:50.59 | foxlit | You could mess with callers' function environments and substitute your own UMB. |
| 20:51.09 | nevcairiel | i was trying that right now actually :P |
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| 20:52.05 | MysticalOS | that's basically what libchatanims does isn't it? to fix that problem? |
| 20:53.53 | foxlit | For 6.0, I plan to reimplement uidropdownmenu and interfaceoptionsframe. It's clear that whoever is maintaining those now is either incompetent or disinterested in fixing them. |
| 20:54.23 | foxlit | MysticalOS: Probably not. This isn't related to chat frames. |
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| 20:55.31 | nevcairiel | but it uses the same trick, he means |
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| 20:56.24 | nevcairiel | setfenv(WorldMapFrame_OnShow, setmetatable({ UpdateMicroButtons = function() end }, { __index = _G })) |
| 20:56.25 | nevcairiel | works ^ |
| 20:57.12 | MysticalOS | nice |
| 20:57.37 | MysticalOS | that'll mean mapster will stop fixing the other mods i haev installed causing action blocked on social window though, odh |
| 20:57.39 | MysticalOS | doh* |
| 20:57.46 | foxlit | Should/does that not taint the onshow? (or does it not need to be secure?) |
| 20:57.58 | nevcairiel | the onshow is tainted anyway, which was the original problem |
| 20:58.12 | nevcairiel | the map doesnt care about that |
| 20:58.17 | nevcairiel | but suddenly, UMB did |
| 20:58.43 | Amarande | oh, fun, fishing buddy won't even load anymore |
| 20:58.46 | Amarande | BLIZZ WHAT DID YOU BREAK |
| 20:58.53 | nevcairiel | why ever UMB is called from the map onshow |
| 20:58.57 | Amarande | ever notice that it seems to be the *little* patches that do this the most, too? :p |
| 20:59.15 | MysticalOS | good question nev |
| 20:59.16 | Semlar | who knows what they even patched |
| 20:59.20 | Amarande | oh hey new patch exp.tier.0, say, generally things are okay |
| 20:59.23 | MysticalOS | considering they removed the "map" button from that bar long ago |
| 20:59.24 | Semlar | they didn't have any notes |
| 20:59.26 | foxlit | Toggles map button state in ancient times. |
| 20:59.31 | Amarande | oh hey new patch exp.0.2 or exp.0.1, generally things break, but you expected that with a new expansion |
| 20:59.40 | Amarande | oh hey new patch exp.tier.1, GAH WTF DID YOU BREAK BLIZZ |
| 20:59.52 | nevcairiel | when did we have a map button there |
| 21:00.01 | MysticalOS | i could swear there was one at one point |
| 21:00.24 | Amarande | wonder what broke fishing buddy :S |
| 21:00.36 | MysticalOS | probably microbuttons |
| 21:00.37 | Amarande | hm and now ara broker guild friends is being bad, too |
| 21:00.43 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I think this is someone who has no concept of timers saying "We need to make sure the parental controls are working for the MicroMenu, so whenever ANY frame shows, we update it!" |
| 21:00.43 | foxlit | 1.x or so |
| 21:00.47 | MysticalOS | yes amrande, i'm going to work on that next |
| 21:00.55 | MysticalOS | that one is microbuttons being called by the social window |
| 21:00.55 | Amarande | lemme guess, we're basically best off either accepting the blizz UI or unsubbing for a different MMO until 5.4.2 :| |
| 21:01.53 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/BUTTONS/UI-MicroButton-World-Up.png |
| 21:02.41 | Amarande | MysticalOS, do you think it's all workaroundable or do we have basically a bum patch where you Just Can't Do certain things until the next patch? |
| 21:03.11 | MysticalOS | i'm going to try nevs work around |
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| 21:03.42 | Arrowmaster | well that was unexpected, i came home to find 5 packages waiting for me |
| 21:03.57 | Arrowmaster | all my blizzcon store stuff seems to be here other than the posters |
| 21:04.22 | Amarande | hm so far everything seems to be okay except for fishing buddy and ara broker guild friends, but I haven't logged on for long just yet today |
| 21:05.20 | Amarande | dammit. the fact that it affects social addons like that is irritating though |
| 21:05.34 | Amarande | mostly because ara broker addons are the ones I still have to update by hand because they're never on curse :| |
| 21:08.29 | Amarande | O' |
| 21:08.35 | Amarande | I'm still not 100% sure *WHAT* it breaks, though |
| 21:08.47 | Amarande | I'm still getting the usual mouseover content and broker display from ara broker guild friends |
| 21:09.00 | Amarande | the only time I get an error is when I click on it and open the social window, and even then I still get the social window as I would expect |
| 21:09.01 | MysticalOS | ara is tainting on f.FriendsBlock.OnEnter(self) |
| 21:09.14 | Amarande | so I'm not sure what in functional terms is broken |
| 21:09.29 | Amarande | not sure if fishing buddy works at all otoh |
| 21:10.09 | MysticalOS | ToggleFriendsFrame |
| 21:13.22 | MysticalOS | setfenv(FriendsFrame_OnShow, setmetatable({ UpdateMicroButtons = function() end }, { __index = _G })) |
| 21:13.23 | MysticalOS | works |
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| 21:18.01 | phelps | is there a library to help with parsing the combat log ? |
| 21:18.13 | phelps | I'm trying to track the # of units you're in combat with |
| 21:18.29 | phelps | when solo it works pretty well but in a ground it breaks down |
| 21:18.41 | Semlar | good luck with that |
| 21:18.56 | phelps | in a group * |
| 21:19.24 | Semlar | i track what you're in combat with via the combat log but i make a lot of assumptions |
| 21:19.30 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be too hard to track all GUIDs, check their flags that they are not players, clear up on death messages |
| 21:19.42 | Semlar | ha, you WISH everything caused a death event |
| 21:20.05 | nevcairiel | well can timeout entries, or as a last resort reset when leaving combat of course |
| 21:20.06 | Neffi | CLEU's death events don't always fire? |
| 21:20.06 | phelps | that seems to be the case here, I'm getting a bloat of stuff that isn't dead that actually is |
| 21:20.11 | Semlar | not everything dies |
| 21:20.38 | phelps | thats what I'm doing, after 30 seconds of no activity I drop it |
| 21:20.46 | Neffi | Well nev's got the right idea |
| 21:20.47 | Semlar | it's also possible for events to fire on the dead unit after its death event so you have to be careful about what you track |
| 21:20.51 | Neffi | timeout + wipe when leaving combat |
| 21:20.56 | phelps | I keep a table of the GUID and the last action timestamp |
| 21:21.10 | Neffi | If you track all interactions, you should be able to make a good guess of when to pause/reset the timeout |
| 21:21.20 | Neffi | All interations = with your group too, not just you |
| 21:21.31 | phelps | Neffi: thats what I'm doing now, but even things that DO trigger UNIT_DIED don't get removed, I think its to do with checking the hostility of the unit |
| 21:21.32 | Semlar | yeah i tracked any combat with anyone in my raid |
| 21:21.51 | phelps | I'm using bit.and(sourceFlags, COMBATLOG_OBJECT_REACTION_HOSTILE) |
| 21:21.51 | Semlar | it's likely that you're retagging them after they've died |
| 21:22.52 | phelps | I can't find a flag that tracks hostile and non-hostile but engage-able units |
| 21:23.17 | Arrowmaster | Thank you for purchasing an Assassin’s Creed® IV Black Flag™ product. Your exclusive content will be available soon. |
| 21:23.19 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 21:23.37 | phelps | they made a type |
| 21:23.38 | Semlar | i don't think i looked at their reaction at all |
| 21:23.42 | Arrowmaster | if i purchase something for an exclusive ingame bonus it better fucking be ready on release |
| 21:24.03 | Semlar | i only tracked combat log events that could be considered hostile and checked that the unit wasn't in your group |
| 21:24.22 | Semlar | and technically a mind controlled player could be attacking you |
| 21:25.14 | phelps | Your exclusive content will be available soon (**† some restrictions apply see original declaration of independence for details). |
| 21:26.19 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.40 | MysticalOS | Amarande, try http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11205-AraBrokerGuildFriends.html update |
| 21:28.47 | Semlar | i think the only events i watch are SWING_DAMAGE, SWING_MISSED, RANGE_DAMAGE, RANGE_MISSED, SPELL_DAMAGE and maybe SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE |
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| 21:29.28 | Semlar | although i think i treat periodic damage differently |
| 21:30.19 | Amarande | hm let's see |
| 21:30.20 | Semlar | pretty sure i ignore it if it's from the mob but count it if it's from a raid member |
| 21:31.30 | Amarande | yup that fixed it |
| 21:31.49 | Amarande | still not sure about what's broken in fishing buddy |
| 21:35.26 | phelps | Semlar: how are you tacking health ? |
| 21:36.12 | phelps | also that first song |
| 21:36.15 | Semlar | in that only through health updates with a valid unit id from people targeting things but there's also code in there to track it with the combat log |
| 21:36.29 | Arrowmaster | AC4 has an option to enable/disable sea shanties, yeah im leaving that on |
| 21:36.29 | Semlar | i just never finished it |
| 21:37.15 | Semlar | once i got the max health of a unit i would store it with the npc id so i could infer what its health was from damage it took in the combat log even if nobody had targeted it |
| 21:37.34 | phelps | hmmm |
| 21:37.43 | Semlar | it's possible units with different levels could have slightly different max healths but it didn't really matter |
| 21:37.55 | Semlar | once a valid unit id was obtained it could correct itself |
| 21:38.19 | Semlar | i have to go BUT i'll be back in a couple hours |
| 21:38.28 | phelps | alright, thanks |
| 21:38.32 | phelps | I'll mess about some more |
| 21:39.12 | Semlar | you can look at my fightlib code but it's not complete and it's meant to work with another addon |
| 21:39.19 | Semlar | hang on |
| 21:40.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.52 | Semlar | good luck! |
| 21:41.02 | phelps | thanks <3 |
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| 22:31.17 | Semlar-Laptop | phelps: you have any questions? that code isn't very polished |
| 22:31.58 | phelps | one on getting the health of units, this is the snippet I wrote, would like some feedback |
| 22:32.00 | phelps | https://gist.github.com/benphelps/3b00346026644d5b8a90 |
| 22:32.12 | phelps | nope |
| 22:32.15 | phelps | thats my old code |
| 22:32.17 | phelps | sec |
| 22:32.25 | phelps | https://gist.github.com/benphelps/7223596 |
| 22:32.26 | phelps | that |
| 22:33.10 | Semlar-Laptop | i just watched UNIT_HEALTH or UNIT_HEALTH_FREQUENT |
| 22:33.26 | Semlar-Laptop | it's not necessary you loop through targets |
| 22:33.34 | Semlar-Laptop | you/to |
| 22:33.46 | phelps | hmm, ok |
| 22:34.13 | Semlar-Laptop | UNIT_HEALTH gives you a valid unit id for anyone you can get the health of unless you really want to loop through targets of targets which is overkill in my opinion |
| 22:34.19 | phelps | I didn't know that triggered for un-friendly units |
| 22:34.44 | Semlar-Laptop | it should fire for anyone in your raid and their targets |
| 22:35.00 | Semlar-Laptop | i'm preeeetty sure |
| 22:35.16 | Semlar-Laptop | i'd have to check |
| 22:35.29 | phelps | i can use /eventtrace and check |
| 22:36.13 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.35 | Semlar-Laptop | what does FREEDOM stand for |
| 22:39.09 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.16 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 22:39.21 | Gnarfoz | really |
| 22:39.37 | Amarande | Finally Rounding-up Every Effective Dissident Onto Military prisons? :) |
| 22:39.41 | Semlar-Laptop | FREEDOM IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FER NOTHIN LEFT TO LOOOOOOSE |
| 22:39.43 | Gnarfoz | they probably have a whole department for it, foxlit |
| 22:40.24 | Amarande | heh foxlit ... given PATRIOT, I would have expected something more like my idea than yours :) |
| 22:41.21 | Semlar-Laptop | wait a minute that spells freedcom |
| 22:41.48 | Semlar-Laptop | HEY |
| 22:44.03 | phelps | Semlar-Laptop: I'm not seeing any UNIT_HEALTH events that show the target |
| 22:44.10 | phelps | only party1 and/or target |
| 22:48.34 | Semlar-Laptop | not sure, i only watch UNIT_HEALTH and i think i get health info for mobs on the other side in that spoils video |
| 22:48.40 | Semlar-Laptop | i can check later |
| 22:49.06 | Semlar-Laptop | i know it stops working when players get out of range |
| 22:49.41 | Semlar-Laptop | although i think i also get the health when they switch targets so that might be it |
| 22:50.31 | Semlar-Laptop | it was only supposed to be a temporary solution while i implemented something to track damage via the combat log |
| 22:53.26 | Semlar-Laptop | i was going to use it to estimate time until everything died |
| 22:54.14 | phelps | yeah, thats my general goal |
| 22:54.24 | phelps | time to death for each unit in combat |
| 22:56.10 | Semlar-Laptop | i might eventually finish it |
| 22:56.17 | Semlar-Laptop | i keep getting distracted by other things |
| 22:57.28 | TC-Work | Slacker |
| 22:57.40 | Semlar-Laptop | i am so lazy |
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| 23:01.07 | Semlar-Laptop | i lose interest in something i'm working on and just go do something else |
| 23:04.07 | zenzelezz | I don't think that's necessarily lazy |
| 23:04.28 | zenzelezz | I know many coders find the starting phase the most fun; getting things working, planning it all out |
| 23:04.39 | zenzelezz | then you get past most of that, and it's not as fun anymore |
| 23:05.05 | Semlar-Laptop | i find it difficult to finish things |
| 23:06.00 | Neffi | I think many people do |
| 23:06.02 | TC-Work | Something something girlfriend something something |
| 23:06.19 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:07.24 | Semlar-Laptop | >_> |
| 23:13.11 | karl_w_w | I find getting started the hard part |
| 23:13.38 | Semlar-Laptop | ah maybe you can finish things for me |
| 23:14.01 | karl_w_w | ok |
| 23:14.08 | Semlar-Laptop | :p |
| 23:14.26 | karl_w_w | got any cakes or biscuits you're working on? |
| 23:15.07 | Semlar-Laptop | not at the moment |
| 23:17.00 | Sintacks | |03:57:38 pm| [fewyn] man so many addons being broken after this patch |
| 23:17.00 | Sintacks | |03:57:50 pm| [fewyn] it makes me sad |
| 23:17.04 | Sintacks | I'M FIXING SHIT |
| 23:17.06 | Sintacks | LOL WEEE |
| 23:17.12 | Sintacks | inb4 i break something completely |
| 23:17.32 | Semlar-Laptop | every time i fix something i break something else |
| 23:17.35 | Semlar-Laptop | best not to touch anything |
| 23:17.42 | Sintacks | lol |
| 23:17.53 | Sintacks | the onlything that was actually broken for me is titanpanel |
| 23:18.16 | Sintacks | the onlything that was actually broken for me is titanpanel. which is just three files to change the realmname call |
| 23:18.24 | Semlar-Laptop | yeah |
| 23:19.07 | Sintacks | savedinstances isn't throwing errors. so i guess it was already using GetRealmName or something |
| 23:19.18 | Amarande | I haven't seen anything break yet besides fishing buddy and ara broker guild friends |
| 23:19.22 | Amarande | and mystical's fix for the latter works fine |
| 23:19.33 | Amarande | fishing buddy looks to be out of commish for the moment though, but meh |
| 23:19.36 | Semlar-Laptop | i actually didn't know realmName was even a cvar until today |
| 23:21.48 | Sintacks | hmm. either realID toons is broken or not loaded. |
| 23:21.58 | Sintacks | i'm going to guess broken cuz it requires knowning your realm name |
| 23:22.24 | Semlar-Laptop | i mean GetRealmName isn't a new function or anything is it |
| 23:22.33 | Sintacks | i doubt it |
| 23:22.37 | Sintacks | but i don't konw |
| 23:22.48 | Sintacks | it might have been added a while ago but no one switched to it |
| 23:22.53 | Semlar-Laptop | the wowwiki page for it was made in 2008 |
| 23:23.04 | Semlar-Laptop | it's literally the only way i knew to get the realm |
| 23:23.31 | Semlar-Laptop | not that i ever needed that information |
| 23:24.13 | Sintacks | hm. realID toons uses GetRealmName so that's not it. |
| 23:24.23 | Sintacks | and it's not throwing errors :| |
| 23:24.47 | Semlar-Laptop | ^_^ |
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| 23:31.03 | phelps | Semlar-Laptop: this works really quite well |
| 23:31.13 | phelps | your combatlog parsing bit |
| 23:31.17 | phelps | thank you for that |
| 23:37.50 | kd3|hate`net | whee. good to see that my email went off automagically |
| 23:38.03 | kd3|hate`net | wow at the worldmap tainting, though |
| 23:38.15 | Ressy | ridiculous huh |
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