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| 00:30.56 | Shirik | http://www.buzzfeed.com/copyranter/meet-overly-suave-it-guy |
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| 00:45.38 | JTF195 | dear god my sides |
| 00:47.36 | Fisker | aww Shirik |
| 00:47.39 | Fisker | not even the version control one |
| 00:48.22 | kd3|hate`net | hah |
| 00:48.26 | TC-Work | So bad. |
| 00:53.08 | Fisker | Are you under version control TC-Work? |
| 00:53.12 | Fisker | Because I'd like to check you out |
| 00:56.01 | Neffi | #10 is my favorite |
| 00:56.13 | Neffi | so smooth |
| 00:58.31 | TC-Work | Fisker: No, I am not. |
| 00:58.56 | Fisker | :( |
| 00:59.01 | Fisker | But I wanna check you out |
| 00:59.09 | TC-Work | You can do that any time. |
| 01:01.30 | kd3|hate`net | wow at some of the realm connections |
| 01:01.50 | kd3 | two 5-way connections coming up monday |
| 01:03.34 | Ressy | Looks more & more like they're working on having all similar type realms in a datacenter as a '1 realm' type deal. |
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| 01:07.16 | Shirik | yay!@ |
| 01:07.27 | Shirik | just exploded the Wikipedia job queue |
| 01:07.42 | kd3 | ah, always a fun thing to do |
| 01:09.54 | Neffi | Makes some sense economically |
| 01:09.59 | Neffi | Load balancing to the rescue |
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| 01:10.10 | Neffi | --if they implement ti that way |
| 01:10.28 | Neffi | Shirik: Watcha workin on? |
| 01:10.29 | Ressy | hm. One of the upcoming 5, they merged a realm that wasn't in the same datacenter. |
| 01:10.34 | Shirik | nah they just put it into a list of things to get around to whenever the CPU's idle |
| 01:10.38 | Shirik | or DB, whichever |
| 01:10.44 | Shirik | I updated a highly visible template |
| 01:10.50 | Shirik | so it has to reprocess all the pages it's on |
| 01:11.18 | kd3 | thankfully the job queue isn't as braindead as it was a few years back |
| 01:12.08 | Neffi | I wonder how much horsepower Wikipedia hs behind it |
| 01:12.21 | Neffi | And I wonder if the Wikipedia page on Wikipedia lists that |
| 01:12.28 | Neffi | so meta |
| 01:13.18 | kd3 | the front page of the tech-ops wiki has that info |
| 01:13.27 | kd3 | https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page - usage section on the right side |
| 01:14.23 | Shirik | not too bad tbh |
| 01:14.27 | Shirik | job queue is sitting at 30k right now |
| 01:14.28 | Neffi | They also say 344 as of 2009 just for Wikipedia |
| 01:14.37 | Neffi | I'm a little surprised it isn't a lot more |
| 01:14.57 | kd3 | almost all of it is caches. and caches of caches. and caches of caches of caches |
| 01:15.35 | Neffi | Their instances page could be crawled for some very interesting statistics on how much hardware is doing what |
| 01:15.45 | Neffi | I dont feel like doing that though |
| 01:16.01 | Neffi | https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Ask/-5B-5BResource-20Type::instance-5D-5D/-3FInstance-20Name/-3FInstance-20Type/-3FProject/-3FImage-20Id/-3FFQDN/-3FLaunch-20Time/-3FPuppet-20Class/-3FModification-20date/-3FInstance-20Host/-3FNumber-20of-20CPUs/-3FRAM-20Size/-3FAmount-20of-20Storage/searchlabel%3Dinstances/offset%3D0 |
| 01:17.26 | Neffi | On an unrelated note, when the hell is Chrome gonna get usable SVG handling? |
| 01:17.48 | Neffi | It's not pleasurable to view a complex SVG |
| 01:18.09 | foxlit | ... pleasurable ... |
| 01:18.24 | Neffi | >_> |
| 01:19.24 | airtonix | giddigy |
| 01:19.33 | Neffi | Oh look, it's a server cluster: http://blog.cloudflare.com/static/images/image00.jpg |
| 01:19.55 | tzarc | golfclaps |
| 01:21.34 | airtonix | Neffi: Shirik: not all of them are running right (or even still exist)? |
| 01:21.45 | airtonix | also : lol chef |
| 01:22.54 | Neffi | So I propose that we begin cataloging all names befitting of penguin |
| 01:23.10 | tzarc | they can all be called bruce |
| 01:23.19 | Neffi | Names penguins have been given in literature and other media, names of living penguins in zoos, names of species of penguin in various languages |
| 01:23.37 | Neffi | And we should build a large database of these names, and title it "What should I name my Linux-based machine?" |
| 01:24.09 | Neffi | And we should slowly migrate all existing Linux devices to a penguin name |
| 01:24.51 | tzarc | but what if someone wants to be smart and call their penguin "windows" or "mac" |
| 01:25.12 | Neffi | Then the law shall state that they can do that, so long as they get a real penguin as a pet and name it the same thing |
| 01:25.20 | tzarc | I'm cool with that |
| 01:25.29 | Neffi | And I think we should reserve the names of species to be used as distribution names, or Linux kernel versions |
| 01:25.59 | Neffi | If we run out of names, then we start namign new species in advance, and those names will apply to any newly discovered penguin |
| 01:26.05 | Neffi | To keep Linux and penguins in perfect parity |
| 01:27.07 | tzarc | doesn't necessarily need to be parity, just that the naming of servers and kernels is a subset of penguin names - if we run out, there's no reason why we can't preemptively name more penguins, caching names, if you will |
| 01:27.34 | Neffi | aye |
| 01:27.55 | Neffi | I envision a future where every penguin and every instance of Linux can live in perfect harmony |
| 01:28.36 | tzarc | you could totally strap linux SBCs to the back of penguins so they can carry around their namesake |
| 01:29.11 | tzarc | not wanting to go all Xzibit or anything, but it'd be a possibility |
| 01:29.36 | Neffi | We will consider that at the first International Congress of Linux-Penguin Affairs |
| 01:29.54 | tzarc | ICOLPA, it's pronouncable, sounds fine |
| 01:29.57 | Neffi | Anyone wanna do the honor and trademark ICLPA and register the domain? |
| 01:30.14 | tzarc | needs the O for proper utterance |
| 01:30.21 | Neffi | We will bring that up too |
| 01:30.29 | tzarc | fair enough |
| 01:30.36 | Neffi | IC(O)LPA looks forward to your attendance |
| 01:31.40 | tzarc | methinks it's time for lunch |
| 01:31.43 | tzarc | will ponder some more |
| 01:32.12 | Neffi | Oh shit, new Korra |
| 01:32.56 | Neffi | Motherfucker, I gotta wait another week |
| 01:32.59 | Neffi | I hate when shows do that |
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| 02:22.52 | Shirik | TIL if you google amber alert while one's active, it shows you the active alert http://gyazo.com/0396d6ca84db7a7f3aa92ec65fe0f101 |
| 02:29.15 | Primer | and sends the police to your house |
| 02:30.37 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 02:30.37 | Fisker | I learned that as well |
| 02:30.55 | Fisker | I need sleep Shirik |
| 02:30.57 | Fisker | what to do? |
| 02:31.05 | Shirik | Primer: my phone had gone off but for some reason it didn't show me the details, so I was trying to look it up :P |
| 02:33.10 | Neffi | doesn't show up for me |
| 02:33.28 | Neffi | Also, fuck Gyazo |
| 02:33.43 | Neffi | Click the image -> it starts a downlaod for their client |
| 02:34.00 | Neffi | That type of behavior should be abolished |
| 03:08.48 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.20 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.47 | Neffi | x=nil |
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| 03:10.05 | Neffi | An empty string is a valid and true value |
| 03:10.22 | Neffi | lua> not not "" |
| 03:10.23 | lua_bot | Neffi: true |
| 03:10.36 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.42 | nibordoohe | then all your addons would crash? |
| 03:10.45 | Neffi | there can't be |
| 03:10.51 | Neffi | nil is a reserved word |
| 03:10.55 | Neffi | lua> nil = true |
| 03:10.55 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near 'nil' |
| 03:10.56 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.16 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.34 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.33 | Neffi | lua> print"no space beforehand" |
| 03:13.33 | lua_bot | Neffi: no space beforehand |
| 03:13.55 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.40 | Neffi | It's useful for doing math, because any expressions you pass directly get printed |
| 03:15.41 | Neffi | Eg, |
| 03:15.44 | Neffi | lua> 2+2 |
| 03:15.45 | lua_bot | Neffi: 4 |
| 03:15.55 | Neffi | The normal interpreter doesn't do that |
| 03:16.59 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.27 | Amarande | hm, wonder what happens when you try to print nil |
| 03:24.28 | Amarande | lua> print nil |
| 03:24.28 | lua_bot | Amarande: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'nil' |
| 03:25.56 | nibordoohe | lua> print(nil) |
| 03:25.56 | lua_bot | nibordoohe: nil |
| 03:32.14 | Neffi | You usually dont get unexpected behavior in Lua |
| 03:32.26 | Neffi | Either oddities are taken care of intuitively, or you get an error |
| 03:32.42 | Neffi | lua> "2"+1 |
| 03:32.42 | lua_bot | Neffi: 3 |
| 03:32.55 | Neffi | One of those "taken care of" situations I never liked tbh |
| 03:33.54 | nibordoohe | lua> "2"..5 |
| 03:33.54 | lua_bot | nibordoohe: 25 |
| 03:34.12 | Neffi | Hencewhy we use `..` to concatenate |
| 03:34.41 | nibordoohe | lua> "2"..5 * 2 |
| 03:34.42 | lua_bot | nibordoohe: 210 |
| 03:34.45 | Amarande | yeah, if there's one thing Lua likes to do it's give errors :) |
| 03:34.57 | Amarande | I think it's perhaps been the single pickiest language I've ever used |
| 03:35.09 | Shirik | um |
| 03:35.11 | Shirik | you have never used Ada |
| 03:35.14 | Neffi | How's that? |
| 03:35.18 | Shirik | and errors are a GOOD thing |
| 03:35.26 | Shirik | Ada is like my dream language |
| 03:35.29 | Amarande | part of it probably being the whole nil thing, which is something you never really see with C |
| 03:35.42 | Neffi | If that's the case Amarande, you might be used to languages where you don't have the luxury of errors ;) |
| 03:35.43 | Amarande | I keep thinking of getting into Ada actually |
| 03:36.03 | Shirik | It's very popular in the safety critical world |
| 03:36.14 | Shirik | though a lot of safety critical/real time stuff |
| 03:36.15 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.20 | Shirik | has been shifting to C++ |
| 03:36.26 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.41 | Neffi | Errors are good too |
| 03:36.48 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.54 | Neffi | Some languages will just churn on until they crash when you do something wrong |
| 03:37.02 | Shirik | and that's why Ada is great |
| 03:37.08 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.09 | Shirik | it basically makes you prove that everything's right |
| 03:37.12 | Neffi | Errors exist for a very good reason |
| 03:37.13 | Shirik | before it will even compile |
| 03:37.30 | Shirik | like it doesn't really even have a concept of an int (I mean, it does, but you don't use it) |
| 03:37.31 | Neffi | A lot of work is put into making languages like Lua capable of detecting every issue and throwing that error safely |
| 03:37.44 | Shirik | you have to specify the meaning of that int, like "this is altitude in meters" |
| 03:38.06 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.28 | Neffi | True enough |
| 03:38.47 | Neffi | I like languages that leave whitespace up to the programmer |
| 03:38.52 | Neffi | And style in general |
| 03:38.54 | Shirik | except tabs |
| 03:38.55 | Neffi | Lua's good for that |
| 03:38.59 | Shirik | anyone that uses tabs can go diaf |
| 03:39.08 | Neffi | Make me |
| 03:39.19 | Neffi | I like my tabs |
| 03:39.20 | Shirik | going to blizzcon? |
| 03:39.24 | Neffi | You won't change that |
| 03:39.32 | Shirik | where I work, using a tab is an error |
| 03:39.42 | Neffi | What's bad about tabs? |
| 03:39.49 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.13 | Shirik | tabs cause alignment nightmares |
| 03:40.19 | Shirik | it's not really tabs that are the problem |
| 03:40.25 | Shirik | it's when you mix tabs with anything else |
| 03:40.27 | Neffi | Use a better editor |
| 03:40.44 | Neffi | Don't mix? Have stylistic guidelines? Have programmers that are competent at grammar? |
| 03:40.50 | Shirik | you can't not mix |
| 03:41.05 | Shirik | eventually you are going to encounter a situation where your tabstops aren't aligned with your text |
| 03:41.24 | Neffi | Solve it intuitively |
| 03:41.27 | Iriel | is with Shirik - dont use tabs. |
| 03:41.35 | Iriel | M-x untabify is your friend in emacs |
| 03:41.39 | Neffi | Don't abolish convenience because it only exists 95% of the time |
| 03:41.47 | Shirik | gg=G is your friend in vim |
| 03:41.51 | Shirik | though that doesn't really untab |
| 03:41.56 | Shirik | it just fixes everything |
| 03:42.08 | Shirik | what convenience? |
| 03:42.17 | Shirik | good editors these days work as if spaces were tabs |
| 03:42.31 | Neffi | Then it doesnt seem to make a difference |
| 03:42.36 | Iriel | I bind 'tab' to "indent line" |
| 03:50.32 | airtonix | you have friends in vim? |
| 03:51.11 | Fisker | oh my god |
| 03:51.23 | Fisker | I was debugging a script that I thought didn't work |
| 03:51.27 | Fisker | rewrote it like 3 times |
| 03:51.35 | Dagmar | Spaces are a way of saying "fuck your personal indentation rules" |
| 03:51.39 | Fisker | then forgot I had shut down the file server it was looking for |
| 03:51.41 | Fisker | herp |
| 03:53.24 | airtonix | derp |
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| 04:19.30 | karl_w_w | why does chkdsk tell me "The disk does not have enough space to replace bad clusters" when this is the first bad cluster that has been detected on this disk? |
| 04:19.57 | kd3 | that drive's hosed |
| 04:20.10 | kd3 | that's what it means |
| 04:20.30 | kd3 | also, in modern windows, chkdsk runs in the background transparently handling bad clusters |
| 04:20.31 | nevcairiel | the drive may have used up the "extra" clusters internally already, and none are left |
| 04:20.44 | kd3 | ^ |
| 04:21.05 | nevcairiel | i would run, not walk, to the next store and buy a replacement |
| 04:21.09 | karl_w_w | but in the report at the end of chkdsk it says 0 KB in bad sectors. |
| 04:21.17 | Primer | sigh...my kid wants me to install a minecraft "mod pack", but it's a fucking .exe |
| 04:21.36 | karl_w_w | educate your child |
| 04:21.44 | Primer | With all the underhanded advertisements I've seen on just about every minecraft site, I am incredibly reluctant to trust this |
| 04:21.45 | karl_w_w | or I'll report you for child abuse! |
| 04:21.59 | Primer | I told her I'm not going to install this as-is |
| 04:22.14 | Primer | unless the site supplies the jar files, it ain't happening |
| 04:22.31 | Primer | granted, who's to say the jar doesn't contain some malicious code |
| 04:24.10 | karl_w_w | I believe all children should use VMs |
| 04:24.19 | Primer | she has her own machine |
| 04:24.31 | Primer | wow, everything in this zip is a .exe |
| 04:24.47 | Primer | Does this dude really expect people to just run this? |
| 04:25.01 | kd3 | it's little kids playing minecraft. yes? |
| 04:25.01 | nevcairiel | guess what? most just do |
| 04:32.58 | Dagmar | All those popups won't launch themselves |
| 04:33.33 | airtonix | Primer: just use technic launcher |
| 04:34.24 | airtonix | Primer: more than likely the mod pack is mostly covered by an offical pack on the technic site |
| 04:34.43 | airtonix | anything not there isn't worth having fun with |
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| 04:49.27 | Aeger73 | If anyone has some spare time can you DL my UI at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=22493#info and test the install? |
| 04:49.37 | Aeger73 | I have a guy reporting issues I cant replicate |
| 04:50.07 | Aeger73 | just need to put in interface no WTF to rename and need to enable out of date addons |
| 05:05.48 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/TpGvHBL.jpg |
| 05:06.08 | Neffi | haha http://i.imgur.com/tDK9V68.jpg |
| 05:08.50 | karl_w_w | that horse has cow colours! |
| 05:11.36 | Neffi | karl_w_w couldn't handle the horse |
| 05:11.54 | airtonix | google building a floating data center |
| 05:11.58 | airtonix | wat |
| 05:13.04 | Neffi | I think they're taking the whole "Skynet" thing too literally |
| 05:13.10 | Neffi | We get it Google, you want total control |
| 05:13.35 | airtonix | i don't doubt skynet will come about because of google |
| 05:13.48 | airtonix | but we'll love them for it |
| 05:14.10 | airtonix | because it'll actually be BronyNet |
| 05:14.44 | Neffi | I'm sure some of you guys will appreciate this http://imgur.com/gallery/x3V0mjw |
| 05:15.48 | airtonix | i won't |
| 05:16.52 | Neffi | That's OK, I didn't either |
| 05:27.05 | pompy | I wonder if because they haven't announced the host and performing band for blizzcon, that means they aren't having a band there? :o |
| 05:37.00 | nebula169 | it nothing else, probably have etc play |
| 05:41.48 | kd3 | oh wtf, I'm not even done downloading ptr build 17520 and now 17538 pops? |
| 05:42.11 | kd3 | hopes he can skip the 3.5 gig download for the 20 meg build instead |
| 05:45.29 | kd3 | yes, I can. huzzah! |
| 05:45.36 | kd3 | semi-bitching emails have their uses after all |
| 05:47.57 | Fisker | this is pretty odd |
| 05:48.02 | Fisker | I think my new router is opening up bing |
| 05:48.08 | Fisker | How is this even remotely possible? |
| 05:57.28 | kd3 | emails away (sorry for waking you up) |
| 05:57.36 | kd3 | I'm going back to bed |
| 05:58.34 | Fisker | sleep well kd3 |
| 05:58.52 | Fisker | and sadly I've been up since 2am working :( |
| 05:58.55 | Fisker | boo |
| 06:03.00 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=573763626011666&set=a.414413855279978.99986.276710412383657&type=1 dafuq |
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| 06:54.53 | JTF195 | pompy: is that really in the game? |
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| 07:10.25 | Humbedooh | verbally molests tharper and blames it all on Torhal |
| 07:11.05 | Torhal | uploads Scientology propaganda into Humbedooh's brain. |
| 07:12.00 | Humbedooh | flat-maps Torhal's vocabulary 100 times faster than Hadoop |
| 07:12.38 | Humbedooh | seriously, I should make a script for spitting out that nonsense, this abuse is starting to require brain power |
| 07:12.47 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 07:13.09 | Fisker | "good" morning |
| 07:13.22 | Humbedooh | recreates Torhal as a Java factory |
| 07:13.37 | Humbedooh | if it is a good morning, Fisker, which I doubt! |
| 07:13.48 | Torhal | forces Humbedooh to use SunOS exclusively. |
| 07:13.56 | Fisker | Oh it definitely isn't Humbedooh |
| 07:14.03 | Humbedooh | Torhal: I already do at work :( |
| 07:14.12 | Humbedooh | well not exclusively, but I do use it, which is bad enough |
| 07:14.18 | Torhal | Irix, then! |
| 07:14.21 | Humbedooh | ! |
| 07:14.30 | Humbedooh | I haven't used Irix since 1999 or some such |
| 07:17.26 | Torhal | sends Humbedooh to http://candybox2.net/ |
| 07:18.42 | Fisker | nope Torhal |
| 07:18.52 | Torhal | Why nope, Fisker? |
| 07:19.01 | Fisker | It's bad |
| 07:19.10 | Torhal | Soul-stealing? |
| 07:19.50 | Fisker | yes |
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| 07:20.26 | Humbedooh | Torhal: already been there, way too much time spent D: |
| 07:20.56 | Torhal | sends lolligators after Humbedooh. |
| 07:21.04 | Humbedooh | sends Torhal to http://dogebox.net/ |
| 07:21.09 | Humbedooh | if it existed.. |
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| 07:30.08 | mikma | humbedooh: http://kinky.fi |
| 07:31.08 | Humbedooh | mikma: that your new web site? |
| 07:31.20 | mikma | humbedooh: not new, but it's mine! |
| 07:31.47 | Humbedooh | kk! |
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| 07:32.25 | mikma | humbedooh: reload and see for yourself :P |
| 07:32.44 | Humbedooh | :O |
| 07:33.08 | Humbedooh | my secret is out! |
| 07:34.04 | mikma | reload, uh oh |
| 07:35.25 | Humbedooh | oh noes D: |
| 07:35.37 | mikma | let's put it on pink |
| 07:35.40 | Humbedooh | Also breaking news: mikma has too much idle time on his hands! |
| 07:36.12 | mikma | there, it's in pink now |
| 07:36.25 | mikma | i just woke up! |
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| 07:44.50 | karl_w_w | well seatools for dos fixed my bad sector |
| 07:45.08 | nevcairiel | you should replace the disc |
| 07:45.12 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 07:45.52 | karl_w_w | at least it's not my system drive though |
| 07:51.39 | Semlar | apparently i have the highest item level on my server |
| 07:51.48 | Semlar | i'm not sure how that happened |
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| 07:55.34 | karl_w_w | are there like 4 people on your server? |
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| 08:01.00 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6DH0Jhglp4 |
| 08:03.07 | airtonix | oh... owncloud now allows you to edit odf documents |
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| 08:40.30 | Sintacks | I have a grid module that curse client says is out of date every time it starts even though it's the latest version :| |
| 08:40.38 | Sintacks | and was reinstalled by curse client |
| 08:40.40 | Sintacks | dafuq |
| 08:59.05 | Humbedooh | I'd blame Torhal for that |
| 08:59.43 | airtonix | yeah i was going to say that |
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| 09:50.07 | Semlar | karl_w_w: http://www.guildox.com/go/g.aspx?a=8&r=Wyrmrest+Accord-us |
| 10:42.14 | karl_w_w | what does zug zug mean? |
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| 12:08.59 | nevcairiel | in warcraft the orcs say that when you give em orders, something like "yes yes" |
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| 12:28.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.eatnow.com.au/restaurant-2732/Harry-The-Boys-Girrawheen.html |
| 12:28.20 | karl_w_w | get your candles delivered |
| 12:30.04 | karl_w_w | or get a fish and chips pizza o.O |
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| 12:49.51 | karl_w_w | who broke pirate bay? |
| 12:50.30 | airtonix | no one uses pirate bay |
| 12:56.00 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 13:13.03 | airtonix | i thought everyone used the torrent.mriaa.com server ? |
| 13:25.55 | Aeger73 | if anyone has time today can you test my install for my UI http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22493-aegerUI.html |
| 13:26.06 | Aeger73 | I have a user reporting issues I cant replicate |
| 13:26.16 | Aeger73 | none of the saved variables are being created |
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| 13:50.39 | mikma | karl_w_w: http://thepiratebay.sx/ |
| 13:50.57 | karl_w_w | yep, that's the one |
| 13:51.18 | mikma | works just fine here |
| 13:51.27 | mikma | try the new piratebrowser 0.6b ;D |
| 13:51.44 | karl_w_w | was slow when i used it earlier, and searches weren't returning all results |
| 13:52.08 | Aeger73 | How many tech support agents including call takers and level 2 does it take to identify an IP addresds is wrong at my company |
| 13:52.22 | Aeger73 | aparently the answer is 4 |
| 13:52.25 | karl_w_w | working now though |
| 13:52.26 | Aeger73 | lol |
| 13:55.31 | airtonix | glad i could help |
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| 14:52.44 | pompy | https://twitter.com/Ryan_Kostecka/statuses/393992444024336384 |
| 14:54.58 | karl_w_w | i dont understand pompy |
| 14:55.05 | karl_w_w | is there some kind of reference |
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| 15:11.55 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/0RO7jYM.png much better Shirik |
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| 15:34.50 | karl_w_w | get a legendary -> it's nat pagle |
| 15:35.04 | karl_w_w | what is it with me and getting the worst legendaries |
| 15:41.22 | foxlit | grumble, Amazon. |
| 15:41.33 | foxlit | Would it kill them to actually display correct prices, since they already know my location? |
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| 15:43.35 | karl_w_w | that would be too obvious |
| 15:43.58 | karl_w_w | they need to make it as complicated as possible to discourage sales |
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| 16:13.21 | haste | mikma: having pink nightmares! |
| 16:15.15 | mikma | haste: no no, not yet... |
| 16:15.27 | mikma | haste: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1385391_755532251128678_388762180_n.jpg |
| 16:15.30 | mikma | haste: soon ;) |
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| 16:17.20 | haste | mikma: http://i.imgur.com/UPjpkMb.jpg now |
| 16:25.47 | mikma | that's so viking it almost shits axes |
| 16:28.02 | Fisker | why haste? |
| 16:28.11 | haste | Fisker: why why Fisker ? |
| 16:32.25 | pompy | https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1395451_10100655429086895_1801972978_n.jpg awesome |
| 16:37.47 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/fonts.jpg << how does that actually happen? |
| 16:39.18 | nevcairiel | does what happen? |
| 16:39.26 | foxlit | It swaps fonts to display some of the localized text |
| 16:39.51 | nevcairiel | many unicode font renderers are capable of that |
| 16:40.02 | foxlit | But it's inconsistent in when it chooses to do it |
| 16:40.05 | nevcairiel | if one font doesnt have the glyph its looking for, it uses another |
| 16:40.16 | foxlit | for instance, all of those checkboxes have localized labels in the same script as the slider labels |
| 16:40.40 | nevcairiel | you mean those checkboxes without labels? |
| 16:40.50 | foxlit | yes. |
| 16:42.42 | foxlit | and sometimes it fails to do the replacement, opting to render those glyphs as question marks. |
| 16:48.32 | foxlit | there seems to be no rhyme or reason to which strings it actually chooses to render, which is bothersome. This is the EU client trying to show the znCN locale; I can only guess at what the actual znCN client would do. |
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| 17:13.16 | p3lim | Lol, 348GB in my recycle bin xD |
| 17:20.26 | mikma | ph3il |
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| 17:41.27 | Neffi | foxlit: It may be in the details of the font |
| 17:41.55 | Neffi | The engine might be under the assumption that it can render correctly, when it really can't, and you get `?` |
| 17:42.39 | Neffi | In screenshots I've seen of Chinese and Russian clients, it seems to work fine. Maybe get ahold of a Chinese addon developer that knows how to debug this stuff, and find out some of the details of what differs between clients |
| 17:42.44 | Neffi | Like default fonts and stuff |
| 17:43.32 | Neffi | I met a Chinese addon dev, and I wish I had kept him on my BNet list |
| 17:44.28 | Neffi | If you're trying to localize, you're probably just gonna have to depend on bug reports to get things correct |
| 17:45.09 | Neffi | Also I like your version naming system |
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| 18:11.11 | mikma | http://kinky.fi/misc/irony.png |
| 18:16.47 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:18.57 | foxlit | Neffi: it seems really weird that the same string, created by the same code, can sometimes be rendered as ??? and sometimes using proper glyphs. This seems like a bug or limitation in wow's font replacement logic, and is probably not an issue on native clients, which wouldn't need to replace fonts to begin with |
| 18:21.37 | foxlit | [and sometimes they're rendered as an empty space.] |
| 18:23.10 | Neffi | I can't be of much help. I never really had to localize an addon. |
| 18:25.50 | Neffi | Fedora's password ranking is impossible to please |
| 18:26.04 | Neffi | A 16 byte password of entirely random crap is coming up as "fair" |
| 18:31.08 | karl_w_w | ah yes I forgot that happens with nvidia drivers |
| 18:31.29 | karl_w_w | one of the benefits of the switch to amd |
| 18:32.03 | Neffi | That's arguable |
| 18:32.13 | Amarande | speaking of AMD, newegg needs teleportation as a shipping method |
| 18:32.25 | Neffi | When Win7 first came out, AMD had lots of driver problems. And for a little while, a lot of their performance pitfalls were being blamed on the driver. |
| 18:32.25 | Amarande | I decided to go with an FX-6300 and OC, but the box is there still and not here yet :P |
| 18:33.04 | Neffi | ;( Amarande |
| 18:33.09 | Neffi | I feel for you |
| 18:34.17 | Kalroth | aw |
| 18:34.39 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/opie/localization/phrases/99-ring-name/ << wish there was a way to edit translations from there, but nooooooo. |
| 18:35.41 | karl_w_w | since switching to amd i no longer get blue screens when resuming from sleep and I never have the driver stop responding as in the previous screenshot, so yeah I am feeling the love :P |
| 18:36.15 | Neffi | That's wonderous |
| 18:36.22 | Neffi | But there's plenty of people with the opposite problem |
| 18:36.30 | Neffi | You're forgetting that all software is terrible |
| 18:36.33 | Kalroth | My main issue with the AMD CPUs is that they're so slow, not so much their driver issues |
| 18:36.44 | Neffi | We're speaking of GPU drivers |
| 18:36.51 | karl_w_w | talking gpus, the cpus are disasterous atm |
| 18:37.12 | Neffi | And I would be really surprised if there wasn't in-kernel support for AMD CPUs. Why would you need to install a driver? |
| 18:37.34 | Kalroth | oh, i switched from AMD to nVidia because of their drivers - of course, I did it when nVidia seemingly hired ex-AMD programmers because their drivers have been utter shite lately |
| 18:37.35 | karl_w_w | im sure there are people with the opposite problem Neffi, but thankfully I'm not one of them :P |
| 18:38.00 | Kalroth | Neffi: there are several AMD CPU hotfixes around still |
| 18:38.03 | Neffi | So rollback and wait it out |
| 18:38.10 | Kalroth | I uninstalled one recently |
| 18:38.38 | Neffi | Ah yes there are. Several improvements had to be made to the scheduler and other systems to get the real-world speed on AMD CPUs to good levels |
| 18:38.51 | Neffi | Stock Win7 isn't too great without those fixes |
| 18:38.56 | karl_w_w | i was on nvidia a decade ago and "so rollback and wait for a better one" was regular advice then as well |
| 18:39.19 | Neffi | Half a decade ago it was common advice for ATi users ;) |
| 18:39.23 | karl_w_w | i genuinely don't understand where this idea that nvidia drivers are better than amd ones comes from |
| 18:39.43 | Neffi | Probably shit like SemiAccurate |
| 18:39.44 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: experience? |
| 18:39.44 | karl_w_w | maybe i switched to amd at the perfect time to see none of the amd problems |
| 18:40.45 | Kalroth | The AMD switch to their CCC panel was horrible too, AMD got frame stuttering issues and they're only recently beginning to fix frame latency issues that nVidia has had fixed for years |
| 18:40.50 | Neffi | There are tech pundits out there whose sole job it is to lie, mislead and rile up those who are sort-of good with computers but still not smart enough to see they're being mislead |
| 18:41.18 | karl_w_w | although i have noticed over the last year amd have started releasing beta drivers more frequently which is nice |
| 18:41.31 | Kalroth | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7195/amd-frame-pacing-explorer-cat138 |
| 18:42.27 | Kalroth | the microstuttering is exactly why I replaced my 6970's with an nvidia card |
| 18:42.54 | Neffi | NVidia found out the frame pacing problem a while ago |
| 18:43.06 | Neffi | they've had in-driver fixes for a while, and those have matured fairly well |
| 18:43.10 | Kalroth | yup |
| 18:43.18 | Kalroth | hence why i switched |
| 18:43.30 | Neffi | It's funny that these issues went unnoticed for a long time |
| 18:43.33 | Kalroth | AMD GPU hardware is excellent, but their software division is lacking |
| 18:43.38 | Neffi | "Micro-stuttering!" "shutup, that isn't real" |
| 18:43.48 | Kalroth | no, these issues were known, but never proven |
| 18:43.58 | Neffi | And then somebody went and challenged the common method of benchmarking by measuring FPS, and turns out it wasn't only real, but worse than people assumed |
| 18:44.05 | Kalroth | not until someone clever thought of a precise way to measure it |
| 18:44.23 | Neffi | Because people were hitting 120 FPS, but because of such bad frame timing, the FPS being delivered to the monitor could be pretty low |
| 18:44.57 | Kalroth | but I had other issues with AMD GPUs; they wouldn't clock correctly when switching between 2D and 3D, sometimes it'd get stuck on 2D clocking while I was trying to play a game |
| 18:44.58 | karl_w_w | this new nvidia technology is promising |
| 18:45.15 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:45.18 | Kalroth | g-sync looks nice, but not $100+ on a monitor nice |
| 18:45.26 | karl_w_w | that's the one |
| 18:45.53 | karl_w_w | if the price drops and it actually works it might change my mind :P |
| 18:46.12 | Neffi | Ooh, another article to read |
| 18:46.18 | Neffi | Never heard of g-sync yet |
| 18:46.46 | Kalroth | Yup, I'd probably pick a monitor using it, if the extra cost was $25 instead of $100 - the reviews I've read is that it really works |
| 18:46.58 | Kalroth | and personally I hate tearing and vsync issues |
| 18:47.08 | Kalroth | i can easily spot tearing and i hate it |
| 18:47.08 | Neffi | but if I'm spending a lot on a monitor, it's gonna be a nice EIZO or NEC IPS panel that's color-accurate |
| 18:47.25 | Neffi | I don't think TN panels are acceptable. I don't care how fast you can push their response times. |
| 18:47.57 | Kalroth | TN panels are a lot better today and they differ a lot |
| 18:48.05 | Kalroth | high quality TN comes close to IPS now |
| 18:48.25 | Kalroth | but people that go for the $75 1080p monitor will get a shitty panel |
| 18:48.33 | Neffi | You may be mistaking TN with a newer technology that's nearly as cheap as TN, but is not TN |
| 18:48.56 | Neffi | A lot of newer monitors are using a cheap version of IPS called... what was it, eIPS? |
| 18:49.15 | Neffi | It's cheap to produce, but comes pretty close to the quality of a good IPS panel -- at least, MUCH better than TN |
| 18:49.16 | Kalroth | S, H or E |
| 18:49.25 | Neffi | No, not the normal S, H or E |
| 18:49.35 | Neffi | It's a new tech besides those |
| 18:49.53 | Neffi | I don't know why they called it eIPS, when that's gonna be confused with the entirely different tech called "E-IPS" |
| 18:49.54 | Kalroth | there's E-IPS and there's e-IPS, but e-IPS is just a cheaper version of H-IPS |
| 18:49.56 | Neffi | But there you go |
| 18:50.03 | Kalroth | http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm#e-ips |
| 18:50.17 | Kalroth | "Although it's unknown what the "e" stands for here, it's likely that it means "economic" or similar, since these new panels are all about trying to keep production and retail costs low. " |
| 18:50.31 | Kalroth | but I'm talking S-IPS, like my U2711 |
| 18:50.32 | karl_w_w | we obviously need some more letters to help clarify the situation |
| 18:50.39 | Neffi | Yes, that's it |
| 18:50.51 | Neffi | There quite a lot of monitors out now with those panels, at reasonable prices |
| 18:51.01 | Neffi | Priced roughly where TN panels were priced 3-4 years ago |
| 18:51.59 | Neffi | I would still love to get something like an EIZO ColorEdge |
| 18:52.18 | Kalroth | EIZO is way too expensive though |
| 18:52.25 | Neffi | I may not be a photographer or digital artist, but there's something about a high quality display that pleases me exceptionally |
| 18:52.31 | Maldivia | expensive is not the word... |
| 18:52.52 | Kalroth | they're a waste unless you're a professional image magician (imo!) |
| 18:52.56 | karl_w_w | the bird is the word |
| 18:53.00 | Neffi | The NEC counterparts don't seem too badly priced. I would be happy as hell with one of them. They review very well after calibration. |
| 18:53.32 | Neffi | I mean it's still almost $1000 for a 1080p display, but I'd pay that if I were working |
| 18:53.42 | Neffi | And probably will pick one up, or something as good, when I get the extra cash |
| 18:54.20 | Kalroth | no way I'd pay that for a 1080P, that's what I paid for my U2711 way back |
| 18:54.38 | Neffi | I've seen their 1920x1200 on sale for about that actually |
| 18:54.54 | Neffi | and 1200p is getting more scarce, so I wouldn't mind paying the premium for it |
| 18:55.08 | Neffi | Sure it's expensive, but it's a high-quality monitor that's gonna last you a while |
| 18:55.19 | Neffi | It's not like I need to upgrade it every 2 years |
| 18:55.22 | Kalroth | yeah, I still got an old 1200P monitor that isn't going away anytime soon :) |
| 18:55.42 | Neffi | 16:10 is so damned superior |
| 18:56.03 | Neffi | At 1200p you get native 1080p rendering with no scaling, and more room for browsing, programming, etc |
| 18:56.21 | Kalroth | no, 1440P is superior! |
| 18:56.29 | Neffi | 1600p you mean |
| 18:56.36 | Kalroth | or 1600P if you must |
| 18:56.45 | Neffi | I don't know if I'd go that big yet |
| 18:56.52 | Kalroth | but I'm happy with my 1440 |
| 18:57.04 | Neffi | IME DPI scaling is exceptionally shitty all around, and I've got bad eyes |
| 18:57.11 | Neffi | I can't be running with that many pixels |
| 18:57.28 | Kalroth | just switch Windows fonts to 125%!! |
| 18:57.31 | Neffi | Not until a good solution exists for scaling stuff up consistently and at good quality |
| 18:57.47 | Neffi | Windows handles DPI scaling worse than the other two big OSes |
| 18:57.55 | Kalroth | ayup |
| 18:57.57 | Neffi | Their DPI scaling is so fucking bad I don't know why it even exists |
| 18:58.12 | Kalroth | i thought they fixed it in Win8, but they didn't |
| 18:58.19 | Neffi | You're better off using a lower resolution and hoping your monitor can handle that scaling |
| 18:59.02 | Neffi | I just wonder what's gonna happen if/when 4K becomes common |
| 18:59.58 | Neffi | Hopefully they at least implement something like pixel doubling on raster assets and native rendering on vector |
| 19:00.04 | Kalroth | not much, you'll see morons spend $$$$ on a 4k monitor and then play games at 1080p because their $200 GPU can't handle it |
| 19:00.15 | Neffi | I think OS X does that with retina displays, right? |
| 19:01.40 | Neffi | I'm quite happy with the quality that 1080/1200p gives at ~24" |
| 19:01.53 | Neffi | I don't see any need to be pushing 4K monitors, but it will happen |
| 19:02.04 | Neffi | I am looking forward to 4K TVs, because.. well, why not? |
| 19:02.22 | Kalroth | I do, just the fact that you can eliminate most AA'ing because of the high resolution will be excellent |
| 19:02.57 | Neffi | It takes less processing power to eliminate that AA with things like adaptive AA, than to bump the resolution that high |
| 19:03.26 | Kalroth | sure, but I prefer high resolution over AA :) |
| 19:03.36 | Neffi | 4K will increase the visual clarity with fine lines and sharp edges, but I don't think it's an important enough increase that we need to be pushing for it anytime soon |
| 19:03.41 | Kalroth | I'm assuming 4k monitors will stay around the 30" size |
| 19:03.58 | Neffi | Which IMO is too big to be comfortable on a desktop setup |
| 19:04.10 | Kalroth | well I use a 27" now, so .. :P |
| 19:04.12 | Neffi | That's the kind of monitor you put on a pro workstation doing graphics work |
| 19:04.36 | Neffi | 27" is a bit big, but reasonable if your setup allows for it |
| 19:04.42 | Neffi | 24" is where I like to stay |
| 19:05.00 | Kalroth | 1080p is the new 480p, it's the DVD of resolutions! |
| 19:05.11 | Neffi | No it's not >_> |
| 19:05.19 | Neffi | It produces quite good quality at that size |
| 19:05.35 | Kalroth | not once you're tried a higher resolution |
| 19:05.47 | Kalroth | DVD produces quite good quality for its size |
| 19:06.04 | Neffi | Yeah more pixels is gonna produce better results for a long time to come, but comparing 1080p to 480p is unjust |
| 19:06.09 | Neffi | 480p was just terrible |
| 19:06.22 | Kalroth | no, 480p was fine, keyword being was |
| 19:06.30 | Neffi | Nobody was ever happy saying "wooh, my monitor is 480p". Back when that was the TV norm, monitors still pushed more. |
| 19:06.32 | Kalroth | I remember going from VHS tapes to DVDs just fine |
| 19:06.48 | Kalroth | going from 240/320 to 480 |
| 19:06.57 | Neffi | lol |
| 19:06.59 | Kalroth | or whatever res VHS ran at :P |
| 19:07.00 | Neffi | yeah |
| 19:07.18 | Neffi | The effective res was a bit lower than 480p. I don't remember the details. |
| 19:07.27 | Neffi | In practice, it was even worse, because tapes didn't hold the quality well |
| 19:08.06 | Neffi | I don't know if the magnetic particles lost their magnetism or what happened, but VHS tapes that were played somewhat often looked absolutely terrible |
| 19:08.40 | Neffi | Even in those days, people pushed for monitors with at least 800x600 |
| 19:08.49 | Kalroth | yeah, used VHS tapes were ridiculously poor quality |
| 19:09.04 | Kalroth | yup, I remember when 1024x768 was the "hot" resolution |
| 19:09.05 | Neffi | I don't think it was until 1080p came out that people were finally happy to use the same resolution on their monitor and their TV |
| 19:09.22 | Kalroth | people buying expensive Sony Triniton monitors |
| 19:09.39 | Neffi | Monitors have always pushed higher. 1080p hit the point where we got good pixel densities and good quality, without it being too much for the average person. |
| 19:10.52 | Neffi | I remember being so used to 1024x768, that when I got a 1280x1024 monitor, I was fucking hyped |
| 19:11.12 | Neffi | Looking back, that's probably my least favorite resolution to work on. Who thought making the monitor MORE square was the right direction? |
| 19:11.57 | Neffi | I prefer this exceptionally shitty 1366x768 monitor to that, despite it having much less vertical room. Just because being wide, it's so much more comfortable than a big square. |
| 19:12.44 | Semlar | if i make a macro with two /target commands and both match something is it going to stop on the first or the last one |
| 19:12.50 | Semlar | probably the last one |
| 19:13.12 | Neffi | Two separate /target? |
| 19:13.15 | Neffi | The last one |
| 19:13.49 | Neffi | The only time a macro stops on the first thing, is when you're attempting two GCD-invoking spellcasts |
| 19:14.48 | Semlar | i'm working on something to help my guild with garrosh and i might double up on one of the macros |
| 19:15.32 | Semlar | you may not be able to change a macro's target in combat but i don't see why i couldn't put multiple targets in the same macro if only one is going to be up at a time |
| 19:16.44 | Semlar | i'm not sure if that's going to be necessary yet though |
| 19:18.11 | mikma | http://store.steampowered.com/app/249130/ |
| 19:21.29 | Maldivia | "I'm gonna spangle you till you see stars" |
| 19:25.25 | mikma | i just had to buy that |
| 19:29.03 | Amarande | hm, I wonder how the newegg free shipping package will arrive, and when |
| 19:29.23 | Amarande | burn it, why do I *ALWAYS* order stuff online on Friday nights? :| |
| 19:33.36 | Neffi | So pertaining to our previous discussion, I found this article again which for some reason I didn't save |
| 19:33.45 | Neffi | http://filmicgames.com/archives/698 and http://filmicgames.com/archives/860 |
| 19:33.58 | Neffi | So pushing to 4K pixel densities is definitely worth it |
| 19:33.59 | Amarande | it is coming from NJ though, yay :) |
| 19:34.45 | Neffi | The problem is, rendering GUIs at those pixel densities is still a nightmare, so we're gonna need to see some improvements before adoption becomes reasonable |
| 19:35.17 | Neffi | I'll be sticking with 1080/1200 until better GUI rendering is developed and matured |
| 19:43.59 | Neffi | Also pertitent to something somebody said, 4K at 30" is not good enough to not need antialiasing |
| 19:47.07 | pompy | Amarande: i called the depot, they destroyed your package |
| 19:47.15 | Amarande | :p |
| 19:47.16 | Semlar | it had to be done |
| 19:47.47 | pompy | ^ |
| 19:53.08 | Amarande | actually it's still Packaging, apparently *sigh* |
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| 20:19.42 | kd3 | mmm. nothing says comfort food like chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven on a cool day |
| 20:21.57 | Fisker | :O |
| 20:22.08 | Thunder_Child | I read that as 'cat food' |
| 21:02.13 | g0urra | fewyn: got a froakie on wonder trade |
| 21:05.55 | fewyn | nice |
| 21:06.01 | fewyn | i'm breeding fennekins |
| 21:06.03 | fewyn | for shiny |
| 21:06.09 | fewyn | throwing extras on wonder trade |
| 21:06.57 | g0urra | gief fennekin |
| 21:07.07 | fewyn | you need one? |
| 21:07.28 | fewyn | which one of my friends is you? |
| 21:07.34 | g0urra | yeah |
| 21:07.39 | g0urra | uh I'm g0urra |
| 21:07.53 | g0urra | or Gustaf |
| 21:07.56 | fewyn | ah |
| 21:07.57 | fewyn | ok |
| 21:07.58 | fewyn | one sec!@ |
| 21:07.59 | g0urra | dunno which one it is on pokemon |
| 21:08.12 | fewyn | gustaf |
| 21:10.07 | Neffi | I wish they'd make a good Avatar RPG |
| 21:10.46 | Neffi | An open-world style RPG where you choose your bending ability from the get-go, and progress it |
| 21:10.55 | Neffi | I would play the shit out of that |
| 21:10.56 | fewyn | enjoy g0urra |
| 21:11.08 | g0urra | thank you |
| 21:11.46 | fewyn | fyi if you put a coin under the thumbstick you can infinitly circle around the center of lum |
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| 21:17.57 | g0urra | under the thumbstick? wut |
| 21:28.22 | Amarande | *blink* |
| 21:28.29 | Amarande | a player with a (*) |
| 21:29.10 | Amarande | a few crz players actually. I thought they'd be a lot rarer on this realm |
| 21:29.43 | Amarande | at least horde, if I was alliance they'd probably all be crz players there LOL |
| 21:30.05 | Amarande | This is Illidan, we have the largest horde of Horde in the US :) |
| 21:31.25 | Amarande | and barely any queues interestingly. I always used to think Illidan was queued all the time |
| 21:36.21 | fewyn | g0urra: http://sdrv.ms/1dxnZiI |
| 21:36.45 | fewyn | i use a dime but since you're not in the US you probably don't have access to one |
| 21:36.58 | fewyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dime_(United_States_coin) |
| 21:36.59 | g0urra | we have small coins like that one |
| 21:37.15 | fewyn | yeah |
| 21:37.16 | g0urra | but what does "infinitly circle around the center of lum" do |
| 21:37.24 | fewyn | like if you're hatching eggs |
| 21:37.27 | fewyn | or putting stuff in the day care |
| 21:37.32 | fewyn | or wanting to work up friendship |
| 21:37.43 | fewyn | like i gained 50 levels on a pokemon that i left in the day care |
| 21:37.49 | fewyn | by leaving it doing that while i slept |
| 21:38.58 | fewyn | you just circle around the pokemon gym/tower and it never stops, and if you leave a pokemon in the day care each step = 1 xp |
| 21:39.54 | fewyn | i also do it to hatch a batch of 5 eggs easily |
| 21:40.45 | fewyn | oh hey a pokemon i've never seen before? via wonder trade |
| 21:40.50 | fewyn | no idea what this is *checks* |
| 21:41.13 | fewyn | Spewpa |
| 21:53.50 | nibordoohe | 1.1.02.01 |
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| 22:23.32 | Amarande | fewyn: btw, can you still transfer pokemon through from all generations to the latest, or are some transfers no longer possible now because they shut down the online service that was introduced with black/white? |
| 22:24.25 | fewyn | no idea |
| 22:24.27 | Amarande | Ironically, speaking of that, Nintendo has probably *cut* their revenue occasionally with Pokemon releases, too, heh |
| 22:25.06 | fewyn | i'm waiting for the pokemon bank which supposedly will let me deposit pokemon from previous generations or something |
| 22:25.11 | fewyn | and trade them to x y |
| 22:25.21 | Amarande | in particular, used to be to transfer between 4th and 5th gen in particular you needed two DS units, so a redundant purchase for most ... now most Pokemon fans have probably bought a 3DS, so now there's no duplicate console involved except that you still need two GBs for first/second gen I think |
| 22:25.32 | fewyn | http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokemon_bank |
| 22:26.06 | kd3 | huh. I wonder if I still have my pokemon blue cart around somewhere |
| 22:26.33 | Amarande | hm. if I'm getting it right ... to complete your pokedex you need at least: two GBCs so you can manipulate blue/red/yellow/what were the other early ones |
| 22:26.50 | Amarande | a DS *earlier than the DSi* so you can transfer between the GBA and DS gens |
| 22:27.02 | fewyn | i think it might possible to catch all the pokemon in x and y if you have enough friend codes |
| 22:27.20 | Amarande | possibly two GBAs, not entirely certain (wait actually you don't need the GBCs do you, GBAs can do that) |
| 22:27.30 | Amarande | so two GBAs, an early gen DS, and a 3DS, and I think that's all |
| 22:27.33 | fewyn | http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Friend_Safari |
| 22:27.36 | Amarande | unless I've missed something |
| 22:28.33 | Amarande | ah the friend safari are wild |
| 22:28.45 | Amarande | for a moment I was like wtf if someone knows your friend code they can forcibly take your pokemon :) |
| 22:29.16 | Amarande | looks like you don't even need to connect to their 3DS, though, just have their code? |
| 22:29.41 | fewyn | yeah |
| 22:29.57 | Amarande | I see they're learning :) |
| 22:30.01 | Amarande | man, poor Final Fantasy III :( |
| 22:30.13 | Amarande | I'm almost wondering if I should just take the DS cart to gamestop and buy the android version |
| 22:30.59 | Amarande | it's practically impossible anymore to get the top stuff in FF3 DS unless you steal wifi or let people steal yours :| |
| 22:31.05 | Fisker | wrooms |
| 22:31.23 | Amarande | plus have a certain number of friends who do the same, on top of that |
| 22:32.49 | Amarande | basically you have to send messages to a number of different folks via WFC or the quests won't unlock |
| 22:34.18 | fewyn | do i have enough pokemon eggs? http://sdrv.ms/1a7MjQT |
| 22:34.41 | Shirik | https://imgur.com/hHfssOy |
| 22:35.07 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 22:35.09 | Fisker | my brain had one job |
| 22:48.39 | Amarande | hm |
| 22:48.44 | Amarande | did they cut back the amount of xp battle pets need to level? |
| 22:49.01 | Amarande | I remember I used to need multiple battles just to hit level 2 |
| 22:54.31 | pompy | fewyn: u can screenshot that a better way! |
| 22:54.32 | pompy | http://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/ |
| 22:54.46 | fewyn | i can take "pictures" |
| 22:54.48 | fewyn | at certain spots |
| 22:54.54 | fewyn | not regular screenshots |
| 22:56.27 | Neffi | You people and your fancy 3D pokemon |
| 22:56.38 | Neffi | In my day, Pokemon was a low-tech 2D game |
| 22:56.43 | Neffi | And we liked it that way |
| 22:57.12 | Neffi | In fact, I'm gonna whip out my old smartphone, put an emulator on it, and play some real Pokemon |
| 22:59.19 | pompy | fewyn: if you havent seen it already http://i.imgur.com/x3V0mjw.jpg |
| 23:00.05 | fewyn | yeah i did |
| 23:00.09 | Fisker | you should stop pompy :O |
| 23:00.10 | Neffi | Actually is the gameplay in these new games any better? |
| 23:00.17 | fewyn | yes |
| 23:00.24 | Neffi | One of the pitfalls of the old games is that there was no incentive to really play into it |
| 23:00.34 | Neffi | You could just power train your starter and beat everything with it |
| 23:00.38 | fewyn | nah |
| 23:00.42 | fewyn | i switched pokemon a lot |
| 23:00.46 | Neffi | No incentive to collect othe rpokemon and havea varied team |
| 23:00.47 | fewyn | to make my life easier |
| 23:00.49 | fewyn | plus exp share |
| 23:00.53 | fewyn | is sexxxxy |
| 23:01.24 | Neffi | I liked getting legendaries and making them my new "main" but I never really had a reason to ever use more than 1 pokemon |
| 23:01.51 | pompy | Fisker: what |
| 23:01.57 | Neffi | wow... |
| 23:02.04 | Fisker | pokemon pompy |
| 23:02.05 | Fisker | it's bad for you |
| 23:02.12 | pompy | holy shii http://io9.com/rum-pours-from-the-nostrils-of-this-massive-devil-horse-1452527329 |
| 23:02.15 | Neffi | DeVeDe doesn't even use the mpcore variant of the libraries |
| 23:02.37 | Amarande | Neffi: that's an upside in a way, too |
| 23:02.45 | Neffi | Not in my book |
| 23:02.48 | Amarande | especially when I think about Shin Megami Tensei, which is closely related mechanically |
| 23:03.01 | Neffi | wait what? |
| 23:03.22 | Amarande | well, I mean in Pokemon you get to find your fave and then use them almost all the time (unless maybe against high end trainers like elite four etc. where your fave has a catastrophic weakness) |
| 23:03.47 | Amarande | in SMT, no matter how much you like a demon, unless it's a top level one by nature you tend to have to throw it away eventually in favour of something else |
| 23:04.18 | Neffi | So yeah, I'm about to just take the time to setup a MediaCoder profile that can output a valid mpeg-2 against the DVD standard. Does anyone know of a program that can take a valid mp2 format video/audio and correctly package it as a VOB ISO that I can then burn? |
| 23:04.39 | fewyn | hoping to hatch a shiny out of these eggs |
| 23:04.46 | Amarande | generally only so much you can do to make ones that are inherently lower level viable, unless you're playing Strange Journey or Nocturne, perhaps, and even then it's limited |
| 23:04.48 | fewyn | i'll be tossing all the extras on wonder trade again |
| 23:04.48 | Amarande | well, mostly |
| 23:05.00 | Amarande | in SJ you can get endgame skills on almost anything if you have a password gen |
| 23:05.08 | Amarande | but that's somewhat to blatant cheating really :) |
| 23:05.14 | Neffi | DeVeDe isn't producing very great quality, and its encoding speed is terrible |
| 23:05.26 | Amarande | (although the game does kind of balance it since if you password gen up an uber demon, it tends to be HORRENDOUSLY expensive to actually summon) |
| 23:05.40 | Neffi | And DVD Flick's encoding is slightly faster, but is also low quality and has consistent sync issues |
| 23:07.09 | Neffi | None of what you said makes much sense to me, Amarande |
| 23:07.20 | Neffi | Last Pokemon I played was the Sapphire/Ruby/Emerald series |
| 23:07.34 | Neffi | And FireRed/LeafGreen remakes |
| 23:07.41 | Fisker | see pompy |
| 23:07.49 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/9iWbzKv.jpg <-you are cruel |
| 23:08.48 | Amarande | Neffi: Shin Megami Tensei games normally have most of your party members be demons that you acquire from battles that feature them (much like Pokemon except you usually recruit via conversation rather than beatdown, except in the Devil Summoner Raidou games) |
| 23:09.16 | Amarande | (There's also a Fusion system though where you can take demons you have and combine them together to make, usually, a higher level one) |
| 23:09.51 | Amarande | Anyway in Pokemon, if there's one you really like, you can use it pretty much forever after, unless it's a *horribly* low tier one or you're fighting Pokemon that it's got a major weakness against the attacks of |
| 23:10.22 | Amarande | In SMT, generally you can't upgrade them very far if at all, so even if you really do like one of your demons you usually have to fuse or dismiss them eventually unless they're an uber endgame one. |
| 23:13.13 | Amarande | Except in the ones with more complex level-up/fusion systems, like Nocturne and Strange Journey. Even then, the weakness and ability system tends to be such that fusing enough high level stuff onto a lower level one is quite difficult. |
| 23:13.37 | Amarande | However, Strange Journey has a "password" system designed to let you trade demons with friends, in a way, by giving them a code they can use to duplicate yours |
| 23:14.06 | Amarande | (in addition to there being a few demons that can only be gotten through special passwords, which I think were originally distributed in marketing materials for the game) |
| 23:14.33 | Amarande | so you can pretty much uber-Pokemon it there if you have a generator program that can find you codes to create uberised versions of most anything :) |
| 23:23.22 | Amarande | I didn't get into Pokemon till Black, myself :) |
| 23:24.59 | Amarande | actually I was thinking of getting SoulSilver originally ... then Gen 5 came out and I was thinking of getting White but by the time I got to my local gaming store to buy it they only had Black available |
| 23:25.06 | Amarande | my ... former local gaming store ... :( |
| 23:25.51 | Fisker | real men got in and out of pokemon pre-21st century |
| 23:26.31 | Amarande | heh, I didn't even have a console till the 21st century if I remember right |
| 23:26.37 | Amarande | I was all computers before then |
| 23:28.02 | fewyn | http://sdrv.ms/18p5a9F boo no shinies |
| 23:28.28 | fewyn | time to wonder trade them |
| 23:31.51 | Fisker | emulators Amarande |
| 23:43.52 | Neffi | They had (good) emulators pre-21st century? |
| 23:47.58 | Semlar | can you change EnableMouse on a protected frame in combat |
| 23:50.21 | Neffi | no |
| 23:51.22 | pompy | WHAT Fisker |
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