| 00:00.10 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: they say on the page the door handles are to reduce drag |
| 00:00.14 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:00.28 | Neffi | The Model S offers a trunk seat option for kids |
| 00:01.02 | Neffi | I saw one of the Model Ss drive by the other day. They're damned beautiful. |
| 00:01.20 | Neffi | It might be the only car that I'd take over a nice Audi |
| 00:02.22 | airtonix_ | cogwheel1: bit of info for whoever is running your server now, regarding keeping stuff in sync. the technic launcher contains a modpack called tekkit, which includes that qcraft mod |
| 00:17.05 | Amarande | hmm |
| 00:17.09 | Amarande | i5-4670 or i7-4771 |
| 00:17.27 | Amarande | looking at a cheap foxconn H87 board atm, so K processors would be dumb since H87 doesn't do OC |
| 00:18.55 | Arrowmaster | why an H87? |
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| 00:19.56 | Neffi | How cheap you trying to go? |
| 00:20.09 | Neffi | If you're willing to buy an i7, you'd be much better off getting the i5 K and getting a Z87 board |
| 00:20.35 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: because I can get a haswell board for 66 bucks if I go H87 |
| 00:20.37 | Amarande | instead of 100+ |
| 00:20.38 | Neffi | Hyperthreading makes anywhere from an insignificant to a completely nil difference in real-world performance on a desktop |
| 00:20.46 | Neffi | Overclocking can actually make a decent difference |
| 00:21.07 | Neffi | Hint: It's on sale because nobody wants it ;) |
| 00:21.27 | Amarande | heh, it's cheap because it's foxconn, foxconn boards are always budget priced |
| 00:21.43 | Amarande | also probably because it's H87 and everyone wants Z87 for the ocing craze |
| 00:21.57 | Arrowmaster | i would never go that cheap on a motherboard |
| 00:21.57 | Amarande | or sometimes just because they're dumb |
| 00:22.02 | Neffi | Foxconn boards are sometimes shady too |
| 00:22.05 | Amarande | because if you're not oc'ing, Z87 is throwing away money |
| 00:22.19 | Neffi | Things not to skimp on: mobo, PSU |
| 00:22.19 | Arrowmaster | yeah foxconn is too cheap of a brand for me |
| 00:22.37 | Amarande | the family machine downstairs has been running for years on a foxconn P55 board with nehalem i5 |
| 00:22.37 | Arrowmaster | ive spent $400 on a board before |
| 00:22.41 | Amarande | foxconn seems to be pretty good nowadays |
| 00:22.44 | Neffi | Your PSU and mobo are both responsible for power dlivery and are both integral. If either fail, they could take down your entire investment. |
| 00:22.54 | Neffi | If you want to skimp, get shitty RAM. RAM speed doesnt really matter. |
| 00:23.16 | Neffi | Pretty good? |
| 00:23.36 | Amarande | errmmmmm ... how about no |
| 00:23.42 | Neffi | Kia seems to be pretty good, but I'd rather spend slightly more on a 2-year-old Nissan than a brand new Kia |
| 00:23.55 | Amarande | shitty RAM tends to result in significantly elevated chance of pulling hair out trying to figure out odd random glitches and errors because it turned out to be bad |
| 00:24.06 | Amarande | especially if it's the kind, like I had once, where it takes hours of memtest86+ before an error appears there |
| 00:24.11 | Neffi | When I said shitty RAM, I meant low-speed RAM |
| 00:24.15 | Neffi | From a reputable source |
| 00:24.25 | Neffi | Nobody's recommending you buy GENERIC |
| 00:24.31 | Neffi | (yes, that's a brand) |
| 00:24.36 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:25.09 | Neffi | Do what you want, but I wouldn't invest money in either Foxconn or H87. I think it's a waste of money. |
| 00:25.19 | Neffi | Z87, from Asus, Gigabyte, MSI or ASRock |
| 00:25.23 | Neffi | You'll be happier |
| 00:25.31 | Neffi | Even if it takes eating ramen for the extra weak |
| 00:25.33 | Neffi | week* |
| 00:25.53 | bleeter | are you dissing his noodly appendage? |
| 00:26.01 | Neffi | haha |
| 00:26.54 | Neffi | ImgBurn: because when your disc finishes burning, you should shit your pants |
| 00:28.02 | Neffi | http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/node-series/node-304-black |
| 00:28.14 | Neffi | It's kinda cute. I wanna build an ITX gaming setup. |
| 00:28.16 | Neffi | Just for the challenge |
| 00:29.30 | Amarande | hmm, itx |
| 00:29.45 | Amarande | think there's some decent gigabyte boards for z87 |
| 00:29.57 | Amarande | I was going to for a moment suggest that foxconn board, but that's microatx |
| 00:29.58 | Neffi | I like Gigabyte a lot |
| 00:30.15 | Amarande | although it seems like a lot of itx oriented cases are actually either itx or microatx |
| 00:30.27 | Neffi | Gigabyte and Asus are my go-to recommendations, really. MSI and ASRock are worth checking out to see if they have a better board for your budget. |
| 00:30.35 | Amarande | (not surprising ... you can even put an itx board in a full size atx case I think) |
| 00:30.47 | Neffi | yes you can. but why? |
| 00:31.01 | Amarande | hm the last ASUS board I bought had two of the four RAM slots go dead :| |
| 00:31.15 | Neffi | The big pro about ITX is a small, light, non-discrete build. If I'm getting a bigger case, I'd go at least mATX to leave open the option for an SLI upgrade later on. |
| 00:31.31 | Amarande | didn't RMA since it's still functional on the other two slots, also I'm not sure if I possibly fried them myself since they seemed to partially work for a short time and then go dead |
| 00:31.37 | Amarande | and in that case it's my damn fault, most likely |
| 00:31.54 | Neffi | Amarande: Random chance. The best stuff out there will always DOA sometimes. It doesn't make it any worse, or the worse stuff any better. |
| 00:31.55 | Amarande | probably zotted it by trying to 4-DIMM on this cheap corsair memory |
| 00:32.07 | Neffi | Everyone has a 90-year-old relative in perfect health that smokes 4 packs a day |
| 00:32.30 | Amarande | which really you shouldn't 4-DIMM with on intel |
| 00:32.34 | Neffi | The great thign about the better brands is they offer better warranties, and their tech support tends to be good and actually stand by their warranty |
| 00:32.39 | Amarande | especially after I found out about the voltage on this stuff |
| 00:32.41 | Neffi | So that's always something to consider |
| 00:33.03 | Amarande | basically, the 2-DIMM pairs claim to be 1.5V ... but later on when analysing problems I found out there's also a 4-DIMM kit that appears to be the same DIMMs |
| 00:33.06 | Neffi | I've never heard of issues. The golden rule is don't exceed 1.65v. |
| 00:33.08 | Amarande | ... and that 4-DIMM kit is 1.65V |
| 00:33.18 | Amarande | and even 1.65V is out of spec for intel |
| 00:33.24 | Neffi | No it's not |
| 00:33.35 | Neffi | Intel defines a 1.65 maximum |
| 00:33.37 | Amarande | thought I read the top safe voltage was 1.55 or 1.6 |
| 00:33.47 | Neffi | Nope |
| 00:33.57 | Amarande | anyway, at first it seemed to work |
| 00:34.15 | Neffi | That's why when you're looking at 2400+ MHz kits, they all come 1.65v. They want to push the pre-overclocked stuff as far as Intel says they can. |
| 00:34.18 | Amarande | then it started crashing all the time, which wasn't surprising since I'd been having issues (and ultimately it turned out to be my old DVD drive gone bad and mis-installing Windows, partly) |
| 00:34.42 | Amarande | and then I got this super hard crash where the computer just SHUT OFF and it took endless finagling to get it to even POST again |
| 00:34.52 | Amarande | then I noticed any time I put strain on the RAM when 4 DIMMs were installed it did it again |
| 00:35.03 | Neffi | This is all really unfortunate. But nobody's probably to blame. |
| 00:35.09 | Neffi | Electronics kind of work like that |
| 00:35.10 | Amarande | and then not long after that, any time I put RAM in the black slots at all ... even if it was JUST the black slots ... it wouldn't POST |
| 00:35.24 | Neffi | You probably just got bad luck on the IMC |
| 00:35.29 | Amarande | though it does work just ducky if I put RAM in the blue slots only |
| 00:35.46 | Amarande | yeah I thought maybe the CPU memory controller was bad but it did it both with the i3-2100 and i5-2400 I have on hand |
| 00:36.06 | Neffi | It's *recommended* to use 1 DIMM per channel if you're overclocking, but not necessary. If you can't use 2 DIMMs per channel with even a moderate overclock, let alone less, it's definitely a faulty something |
| 00:36.09 | Amarande | and cpus are rarely bad often enough for it to be likely to get even one bad one, let alone two |
| 00:36.25 | Amarande | not just couldn't use 2 DIMMs per channel. even 1 DIMM per channel in the black slots won't post |
| 00:36.28 | Amarande | those slots are d-e-d dead |
| 00:36.39 | Neffi | So you got a faulty motherboard |
| 00:37.03 | Amarande | that's what I'm not sure, if it was bad out of the box or if I managed to kill the black slots somehow |
| 00:37.38 | Neffi | Did you push voltages out of spec? |
| 00:37.52 | Neffi | If not, there was probably a latent fault somewhere that took time to pop up |
| 00:37.55 | Amarande | not that I'm aware of, unless maybe it was only-slightly-faulty and 1.65V was enough to kill it |
| 00:38.14 | Neffi | Then it's faulty, not slightly faulty. Because that's within spec. |
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| 00:38.43 | Amarande | and yes, 1.65V is out of spec |
| 00:38.50 | Amarande | from intel.com ... "Intel recommends using memory that adheres to the Jedec memory specification for DDR3 memory which is 1.5 volts, plus or minus 5%. Anything more than this voltage can damage the processor or significantly reduce the processor life span." |
| 00:38.56 | Amarande | 1.65V is more than 5% out of range, that's 10% |
| 00:39.11 | Neffi | That's nominal |
| 00:39.41 | Neffi | I'm probably never going to find the source, but Intel has publicly stated that up to 1.65 is tolerable, but above that is not |
| 00:40.13 | Amarande | though I'm not even sure I ran it at 1.65 |
| 00:40.25 | Amarande | when I looked at specs on the sticks when all four were running they were claiming 1.5 |
| 00:40.36 | Neffi | Besides why would reputable companies that are considered top-of-the-line in the RAM space, sell RAM kits that are designed to run over spec? |
| 00:40.52 | Amarande | could even be somehow I blew it out by running 4X 1.5V DIMMs that can't run in a 4X config at 1.5 |
| 00:41.15 | Amarande | (like I said, the XMS3 1333MHz DIMMs say 1.5V in the 2-DIMM kits, but the corresponding 4-DIMM kits say 1.65V) |
| 00:41.21 | Neffi | Were they identical DIMMs? |
| 00:41.28 | Amarande | ALMOST identical DIMMs |
| 00:41.45 | Neffi | There are only rare circumstances why they wouldn't run, and in those cases you'd either get memory errors or it wouldn't POST |
| 00:41.45 | Amarande | spec, size, brand, and timings were identical, but each pair was a different "version" number |
| 00:41.57 | Amarande | not sure what that means since those DIMMs have heatsinks so you can't see the chips |
| 00:41.57 | Neffi | RAM isn't engineered to be dual-channel or quad-channel. RAM is RAM. |
| 00:42.18 | Amarande | well, first I noticed any one set of DIMMs would run just ducky |
| 00:42.18 | Neffi | The answer is very simply that your board was faulty |
| 00:42.22 | Neffi | You should've RMAd it |
| 00:42.23 | Amarande | then I noticed any two pairs would fail |
| 00:42.36 | Amarande | and it didn't matter which one pair, or which two pairs |
| 00:42.53 | Amarande | then I noticed any one pair in the *black* slots would also fail |
| 00:43.33 | Amarande | occasionally, if I hammered the ASUS MemOK! button it would finally boot, but then the moment I would put the RAM under any kind of strenuous operation it would hard shut off and I'd have trouble getting it to POST again |
| 00:44.38 | Amarande | ah well |
| 00:44.46 | Amarande | mostly it's made me not want to buy XMS3 in the future, heh |
| 00:44.50 | Amarande | I'll stick with Crucial |
| 00:46.35 | Amarande | hm there's an ASRock H87 for $83 |
| 00:46.36 | MysticalOS | why is new ptr download 3.3 gigs? is it doing data crunch? |
| 00:46.40 | Amarande | never actually used asrock, not sure how good they are or not |
| 00:47.05 | Neffi | They used to suck, on Biostar level |
| 00:47.18 | Neffi | IIRC they were a sister company in Asus for supremely cheap garbage |
| 00:47.37 | Neffi | They've since spun out into their own independent company and actually got their shit together. Some people even prefer them over Asus. |
| 00:48.03 | Neffi | But I chalk that up to excitement because it's something new to play with. Gigabyte and Asus remain my top 2 recommendations. |
| 00:48.44 | Neffi | That given, they offer solid shit, are now reputable, and if they offer a better board at a given price range, it's worth buying |
| 00:50.24 | Gnarfoz | MysticalOS: we don't know, yet |
| 00:50.40 | MysticalOS | probably a piss poor "optimize" |
| 00:51.02 | MysticalOS | they tend to like making you redownload compacted mpq files despite all that toating about having the tech to do it with launcher and not have to redownload it |
| 00:51.21 | MysticalOS | so over do for an mpq crunch |
| 00:51.38 | Neffi | Damn, the Node 304 is beautiful. |
| 00:52.23 | Neffi | If somebody doesn't come out with a crazy awesome mATX case by Christmas, Fractal Design has me sold on doing an ITX build |
| 00:55.11 | airtonix_ | lianli make really good mitx cases |
| 00:55.42 | Neffi | I love their Q25B |
| 00:55.55 | Neffi | But their ITX cases feel purpose-built for home servers |
| 00:56.03 | airtonix_ | but i hate everyones because they don't expose enough front facing hotswap bays |
| 00:56.33 | airtonix_ | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_30_394&products_id=14700&zenid=2622f18ad23e782db4d8065229b1c689 |
| 00:56.35 | Neffi | Eg, good luck fitting a PSU inside the Q25B that can handle high-end components. Can't fit a closed-loop cooler, and your heatsink has a paltry 80mm of clearance. |
| 00:56.53 | Neffi | Node 304 stands out as actually being able to fit very high end parts with no problem, no squeezing stuff in, and plenty of clearance |
| 00:57.24 | airtonix_ | you may as well use a real server that can handle upto 12 front facing 5.25 hot swap bays |
| 00:57.33 | Neffi | The Q25B's no-screw side panels actually make it even more purpose-built for a server, because it provides very easy access to the 5 hot swap bays that they managed to squeeze in there |
| 00:57.42 | airtonix_ | then just use one of these as your player |
| 00:57.47 | Neffi | Which also restrict you to a selection of only a few low-wattage PSUs |
| 00:58.17 | Neffi | That looks like it's gonna have the same PSU and heatsink clearance issue |
| 00:58.44 | Neffi | 80mm clearance on heatsink means you're pretty much limited to keeping your heat output around 80 watts |
| 00:59.06 | Neffi | (I was just looking into this earlier, comparing the few heatsinks that will fit into these cases in particular) |
| 00:59.15 | airtonix_ | if you use an ion3 based motherboard it won't need active cooling |
| 00:59.24 | Neffi | That's true |
| 00:59.27 | Arrowmaster | grrr i fucking swear i am never giving my dad another PC with windows on it |
| 00:59.39 | airtonix_ | my player in the loungeroom is a tiny ion3 motherboard without cooling |
| 00:59.48 | Primer | Arrowmaster: http://imgur.com/gallery/qg6gra8 |
| 01:00.41 | Neffi | If you're doing a low-power build, Lian Li's are the best ITX cases. The Q25 is beautiful. But you're not gonna squeeze a decent CPU+GPU into any of their ITX cases, let alone a cooler to overclock |
| 01:00.47 | Ressy | snickers |
| 01:01.14 | Neffi | The Node 304 will fit every single GPU out there (with the exception of those crazy triple-slot GPUs), and can fit closed-loop cooler @ 120 or 140 mm |
| 01:01.30 | Arrowmaster | IE isnt loading any pages and i just removed a toolbar from firefox..... |
| 01:01.31 | Neffi | And still have room for a high-end PSU, 4 HHDs and 1 SSD |
| 01:01.46 | Arrowmaster | i think chrome frame is installed so maybe that needs updated |
| 01:02.03 | airtonix_ | Neffi: my player just sites in one of these : http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.87/.f |
| 01:02.05 | Ressy | That 2nd one.. about resetting router. I'd like to state the opposite. You are NOT a god if you pull the power on my freakin modem because the Playstation is having issues. Pulling the power just pisses *me* off |
| 01:02.07 | Neffi | I wanna do an ITX build as my gaming setup just for the fact that I can |
| 01:02.18 | airtonix_ | Neffi: m350 |
| 01:02.58 | Neffi | I was gonna say, if I'm doing an HTPC setup, I'm going with one of those crazy small things, not a regular ITX case |
| 01:03.18 | Neffi | But there are people who want to integrate storage into their player instead of having to stream, so Lian Li's cases still make sense for them |
| 01:03.19 | airtonix_ | Neffi: this is the board http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AT3IONTI_DELUXE/ |
| 01:03.59 | airtonix_ | Neffi: and i just run ubuntu with xbmc on it |
| 01:04.57 | airtonix_ | i think you can get that board with an atom 550 or something now |
| 01:05.26 | kd3 | so anyone with a faster pipe than me figure out what's in today's gigantic ptr patch? |
| 01:05.31 | airtonix_ | those m350 cases are kinda awesome for stackability |
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| 01:06.03 | Neffi | I was looking into these "embedded" style boards a little while back. They're kinda neat for the price. |
| 01:06.22 | Neffi | I love that you can now fit a board like that in a crazy small case with no active cooling, and play back 1080p |
| 01:06.29 | airtonix_ | Neffi: they're perfect for running xbmc or digital signage |
| 01:06.38 | Neffi | And still have options for a lot of storage if you go for a slightly larger case |
| 01:07.37 | Neffi | Honestly if I had a decent job right now, I dont know that I can hold onto cash. I'd be so tempted to build more computers than I need. |
| 01:07.43 | Neffi | Put one of them on every TV |
| 01:08.57 | airtonix_ | i'd experiment with multiseated server providing wifi display |
| 01:09.19 | airtonix_ | somehow |
| 01:09.29 | airtonix_ | with science |
| 01:09.35 | Amarande | hm. some cheap boards from guys called ECS |
| 01:09.37 | kd3 | still boggles at the point of getting 3 gigs on a point patch |
| 01:09.46 | kd3 | I hope they don't intend to do this for live in a few weeks |
| 01:10.03 | Amarande | but if I'm going to go with a budget brand instead of a big brand I would take Foxconn, I've actually had a good experience with Foxconn in the past |
| 01:10.28 | Neffi | I'd love to, for the hell of it, do a full-size gaming build, an ITX gaming build, an ITX FreeNAS build with 8+ TB and ECC RAM, an HTPC build to stream from the NAS, and another ITX box just to test operating systems on |
| 01:10.55 | Amarande | GAH FUCK YOU ANSI |
| 01:11.10 | Neffi | ISO man yourself? |
| 01:11.28 | Amarande | Neffi: heh, apparently ANSI has some stupid standard called Z87 for safety glasses |
| 01:11.41 | Amarande | so if you search for Z87 on newegg your search results are flooded with loads of cheap safety glasses |
| 01:11.56 | kd3 | so... don't fail at google? "z87 motherboard" |
| 01:12.02 | Amarande | alas, there are no z87 boards under $100 or so :( |
| 01:12.12 | Amarande | H87 can be had cheaper, but not Z87 |
| 01:12.22 | Amarande | eh, I never oc anyway so H87 is good enough |
| 01:12.55 | Amarande | cheapest asus h87 is $100 too |
| 01:13.06 | Neffi | There's a couple Z87 AT $100 |
| 01:13.32 | Neffi | ASRock and MSI both offer one at that pricepoint |
| 01:13.40 | Amarande | I'm wishing I had more money on hand atm :| |
| 01:13.49 | Amarande | MSI ... they any good? I know even less about them than foxconn :P |
| 01:13.55 | Neffi | Yes |
| 01:14.13 | Neffi | I rank them pretty high. I would be very happy to buy an MSI board over an Asus if I saved a bit of cash |
| 01:15.11 | Neffi | Their Z87M-G43 is on sale for $105 at Newegg right now. ASRock's equivalent -- Z87 Pro3 -- is a flat $100. |
| 01:16.07 | Shirik | so today I learned someething new about C++ |
| 01:16.17 | Shirik | std::cout << "$"; is not portable |
| 01:16.33 | Shirik | apparently $ and @ are not part of the basic character set, and therefore their behavior in code is implementation-defined |
| 01:17.07 | Neffi | ...really? |
| 01:17.21 | Shirik | I accidentally came across it while implementing a code standards rule |
| 01:17.25 | kd3 | ^ are you using something without ASCII support? |
| 01:17.30 | Neffi | Now I dare you to find a system where doing that will actually break it |
| 01:17.41 | Shirik | we have a rule that says we will use only the basic character set, so I implemented a rule following it without thinking |
| 01:17.46 | Shirik | then it came back with 15000 errors |
| 01:17.52 | Neffi | haha |
| 01:18.43 | Shirik | I subsequently altered the rule to say "we're adding in @ and $ because if we ever move to a system that doesn't support them I'm leaving" |
| 01:19.03 | Amarande | what's considered the "basic character set"? |
| 01:21.41 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/22c42015ffd6cf138072fbeba253fa3a |
| 01:22.51 | TC-Work | s/leaving/getting fired/ |
| 01:23.07 | Amarande | but not $ and @? heh |
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| 01:48.35 | Amarande | ... wow, does the tauren female /cry really sound almost as awful as the shale spider screech? heh |
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| 02:06.39 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:06.39 | Shirik | http://www.livescience.com/40535-show-unveils-worlds-first-bionic-man.html |
| 02:08.05 | Amarande | also once it's in the budget I should just get some half decent haswell gear and stop agonising |
| 02:08.10 | Amarande | there is no one true rig, after all, right? |
| 02:08.39 | Amarande | (and if you do manage to spend enough time evaluating components to build the one true rig, that's when the next gen processor will come out LOL) |
| 02:09.22 | Neffi | All depends on your use case |
| 02:09.36 | airtonix_ | Shirik: notice the guy presenting it is a cyborg |
| 02:09.50 | Neffi | There's something close to a "best rig" arguably (for gaming), but a lot of details will vary by taste |
| 02:10.05 | Shirik | airtonix_: It has begun |
| 02:10.19 | Neffi | I for one do NOT welcome our new bionic overlords |
| 02:10.24 | Neffi | I'll be in my bunker |
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| 02:11.09 | airtonix_ | so, 3d printer + artifical intelligence + rocket = remote astronauts on demand |
| 02:11.16 | airtonix_ | Astronaut as a Service |
| 02:11.25 | Neffi | well finally |
| 02:11.32 | airtonix_ | aaas |
| 02:11.55 | VIad1 | I am not a hardcore bash scripter, but, how come FIL="${DIR}/FILE" becomes "FILE/smbshare/DDWRT" when $DIR is "/mnt/smbshare" |
| 02:12.13 | Neffi | All this time I've been paying the Russians billions to launch microorganisms into space and contaminate the other planets |
| 02:12.58 | airtonix_ | VIad1: if $DIR is blank, should it be failing like : "/FILE/smbshare/DDWRT" |
| 02:13.08 | VIad1 | hmm |
| 02:13.20 | airtonix_ | perhaps you have other problems |
| 02:13.20 | VIad | weird thing is doing echo $DIR it's not :/ |
| 02:13.38 | VIad | $DIR is "/mnt/smbshare/DDWRT" |
| 02:13.44 | VIad | I simply wish to append "/FILE" |
| 02:13.51 | VIad | but some weird stuff are going on |
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| 02:14.08 | airtonix_ | openwrt is better by the way |
| 02:14.17 | VIad | openwrt > ddwrt ? |
| 02:14.34 | Gnarfoz | "${DIR}/FILE" should be the correct way to do that |
| 02:14.48 | Gnarfoz | no idea what's happening ^^ |
| 02:15.01 | VIad | hehe |
| 02:15.51 | dolby | http://isitblizzconyet.com/ |
| 02:16.17 | airtonix_ | no |
| 02:23.34 | Caleb| | new background, huh? |
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| 02:26.55 | fewyn | yes |
| 02:27.07 | fewyn | i spruced it up a bit |
| 02:27.15 | airtonix_ | i like your html4 |
| 02:27.32 | fewyn | i am not a web dev by trade! |
| 02:27.37 | fewyn | i do ~things~ |
| 02:27.41 | airtonix_ | me too |
| 02:27.45 | airtonix_ | many things |
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| 02:29.53 | Clamsoda | Has anyone got any experience with oUF, specifically oUF's alternate power bar? |
| 02:30.19 | Clamsoda | I have it working, but the OnEnter and OnLeave scripts aren't applying correctly when I enable the cursor on the frame. |
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| 02:37.08 | VIad | hurray airtonix_, finally made my sh script and it tcpdumps into my smbshare on my machine :D |
| 02:37.23 | VIad | people shouldn't login on my network unless they want their passwords stolen |
| 02:38.25 | VIad | airtonix_: you probably know the specifics, but if I do tcpdump > /mnt/smbshare/ and write to a file on a remote machine, will the stdout buffer be written to the remote file regularly or will it keep storing in the ram until the program receives the shutdown key? |
| 02:39.35 | Amarande | hm, something now puzzles me completely |
| 02:39.45 | Amarande | exactly why is the server population status of "Full" used? |
| 02:39.59 | Amarande | Full apparently doesn't actually mean full, because it looks like you don't actually get queued unless it's "Locked" |
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| 02:40.09 | Amarande | however, if you go on one that's just Full then you don't get queued |
| 02:40.55 | Xuerian | Amarande: I imagine there's some more complex algorithm to rank the servers, but it seems to me that "Full" means "At intended active character capacity", not necessarily "At maximum logged in player capacity" |
| 02:43.27 | Neffi | And I'm sure they've invested in ample overhead room to make sure that even at Locked, performance is good |
| 02:43.59 | Neffi | I've never really had any issues w.r.t latency/server-performance on realms that were consistently labeled "Full" |
| 02:44.28 | Amarande | yeah, I was just wondering why the term "full" was used |
| 02:44.40 | Amarande | I probably would have rolled on Illidan a lot sooner if I had realised how it actually worked :) |
| 02:44.55 | Neffi | "hai guiz howz this server im thinkn xfering XD" "GTFO WE'RE FULL" |
| 02:45.00 | Neffi | Seems common enough |
| 02:45.02 | Amarande | but I'd pretty much avoided all the "full" servers always because I assumed they would be queued, while apparently only "locked" means that |
| 02:45.20 | Neffi | I actually haven't seen a queue in a long time |
| 02:45.28 | Amarande | heh for some perverse reason it initially suggested I might want to roll a gnome |
| 02:45.29 | Amarande | on illidan |
| 02:45.30 | Amarande | wtf |
| 02:45.37 | Neffi | I always play on high/full realms, and the last time I was queued was in early BC |
| 02:45.52 | Neffi | Then again I've never seen one of my realms "locked" |
| 02:45.54 | Amarande | the illidan forum basically says if you ever see an alliance player, you should quickly look through your bags for your Master Ball before they disappear LOL |
| 02:46.21 | Neffi | I prefer to stick to realms with good A:H ratio |
| 02:46.33 | Neffi | I was in the process of rerolling on Emerald Dream before I quit playing |
| 02:46.59 | Neffi | Very high pop, great A:H ratio, PvP and an active world PvP community from what I can see |
| 02:47.38 | Amarande | I've never really gotten into the RP servers |
| 02:47.51 | Amarande | I've heard CRZ has really done a number on them, too |
| 02:47.54 | Neffi | I've never seen much RP actually happen anywhere |
| 02:48.00 | Neffi | I only knew very few RPers |
| 02:48.15 | Amarande | apparently RP players were actually the ones to complain the most about CRZ on its actual face |
| 02:48.25 | Neffi | I don't think there's any practical difference between rolling on an RPPVP server and rolling on a PVP one |
| 02:48.35 | Amarande | (as opposed to most of us whose complaints tended to revolve more around the fact that when CRZ was first rolled out it had more bugs than Silithus :P) |
| 02:48.48 | Neffi | And hell, I'm not opposed to some RP if there's a good community for it |
| 02:48.57 | Neffi | I just avoid it because most RPers suck at it |
| 02:49.09 | Amarande | basically, the problem is there are serious RP servers and "RP-lite" servers |
| 02:49.12 | Neffi | Overacting and bad plots galore |
| 02:49.23 | xyphoid | i was kind of disappointed to find that rp servers seem to have all the RP preplanned |
| 02:49.32 | xyphoid | like i levelled a character expecting to just chat to random people i met |
| 02:49.40 | Amarande | Wyrmrest Accord is a serious RP server, and they were really unhappy about having to be CRZ paired with Moon Guard and its oodles of "light RP"/ERP |
| 02:49.45 | Neffi | I feel like RP on RPGs should be totally improvised |
| 02:50.20 | xyphoid | yeah i play tabletop rpgs too, so the idea of a whole world to wander around and meet people and casually roleplay seemed neat but .. not really how it seemed to work |
| 02:50.28 | Neffi | You are your character. You know how he thinks and what his background is. How can any scripting possibly account for a real reaction from somebody in-character |
| 02:50.46 | Amarande | also I wonder if Ravenholdt got flooded with a lot of new players when CRZ hit |
| 02:51.11 | Neffi | I'm totally interested in wading into the RP scene in ESO |
| 02:51.21 | Amarande | mainly because for some time, it would appear that Ravenholdt at least was probably completely exempt from CRZ |
| 02:51.30 | Neffi | Because TES's lore is so magnificent and I can have a shitload of fun with some good RP buddies |
| 02:51.32 | Amarande | so it was possibly a haven for people who absolutely hated it |
| 02:51.51 | Neffi | But I've honestly never been captured by Warcraft lore |
| 02:52.25 | Amarande | not that it was exempt by policy but as far as I could tell, it had to be exempt because it doesn't appear that there are any servers it can auto CRZ *with* at least under the rules during rollout |
| 02:52.42 | Neffi | That happened with a few realms, Amarande |
| 02:52.51 | Amarande | at least at rollout it wouldn't mix servers between datacenters and it wouldn't mix RP/non-RP or PvP/non-PvP |
| 02:52.54 | Neffi | I don't remember them though |
| 02:53.05 | Neffi | I still wonder if I'm the only one that LOVED CRZ |
| 02:53.11 | Amarande | and Ravenholdt is the only server of its type on that data center |
| 02:53.13 | Neffi | It was one of my favorite new features |
| 02:53.34 | Neffi | Having the lower-level zones actually populated made the game feel a LOT better |
| 02:53.36 | Amarande | it's not so much CRZ as the bugs and side effects |
| 02:53.55 | Amarande | passenger mounts became the sads when you couldn't use them across zone boundaries without people getting dumped, for instance |
| 02:54.05 | Neffi | There were bugs, yes. And after a few weeks, the serious ones were ironed out. The minor bugs were totally tolerable. |
| 02:54.13 | Amarande | and there was all the TOTAL chaos with time zones before 5.1, especially regarding the fishing contests |
| 02:54.19 | Neffi | Yet people still bitched that it was the worst thing ever |
| 02:54.27 | kd3 | which is why contests were disabled in very short order |
| 02:54.50 | Amarande | though the two worst things may never be fixed, or at least one of them |
| 02:55.08 | Neffi | Meh |
| 02:55.16 | Amarande | one of them was the ephemerality of it all, CRZ was designed to bring back more of the multiplayer social environment, but it was hard to even whisper a CRZ player then if I recall right |
| 02:55.36 | Neffi | Part of me still hopes the next expansion is somehow a crazy re-imagining of the entire game, but I know better. I don't think I'll ever play again. |
| 02:55.40 | Amarande | and since you stopped being able to interact with the other realm players once you left the zone, it was like what Fight Club called "single serving friends" |
| 02:56.00 | Neffi | Actually that one's fixed |
| 02:56.11 | Amarande | the other one concerns low population servers, who practically end up becoming imperial colonies of the high population servers |
| 02:56.43 | Neffi | When I played most recently, that issue wasn't present anymore. I could carry on whispers with somebody from another realm when either of us changed zone, or even when one of us entered a BG |
| 02:56.47 | Neffi | No weird issues whatsoever |
| 02:56.56 | Amarande | their auction house prices would be just as high as ever, except after CRZ one no longer even really had the option of going out and gathering one's own mats, because they were being gathered by CRZ people from high pop realms and carted back to *their* auction houses |
| 02:57.14 | Amarande | (not so much node based mats because that adjusted, but I bet cloth and leather became hell) |
| 02:57.33 | Neffi | Aren't they merging that stuff now too? |
| 02:57.44 | Amarande | yeah, they're trying to deal with low pop realms by merging them, finally |
| 02:57.55 | Neffi | These problems actually make me rather curious about what ESO is doing |
| 02:58.01 | Amarande | which is another headdesker from some folks though because now people wonder why they didn't just do that in the first place instead of the CRZ thing |
| 02:58.19 | Amarande | Neffi: good question |
| 02:58.21 | Neffi | Even though there's been vocal opposition against it, they're doing (a) a megaserver and (b) no auction house, but guild-stores instead |
| 02:58.32 | Amarande | especially, launch server count is a really delicate thing to figure out with MMORPGs |
| 02:58.39 | Neffi | People are afraid of the implications, but none of those people have seen it in action |
| 02:58.45 | Neffi | I think it can potentially be an awesome system |
| 02:59.01 | Amarande | like SW:TOR had too many servers at launch and eventually had to do loads of mergers afterwards once the launch rush ended |
| 02:59.19 | Amarande | FFXIV on the other hand may have had too few servers at launch, it was almost impossible to log on in the first couple weeks or so according to folks I know who play |
| 02:59.26 | Neffi | Megaservers are done in a few games now. You get multiple "channels" you can hop over to. It's not a bad idea. |
| 02:59.30 | Neffi | It's a rather good solution |
| 02:59.38 | Amarande | ah, you mean like the way Guild Wars did things? |
| 02:59.57 | Neffi | ESO is solving exploitation in world PvP by turning those "channels" into discrete campaigns that you're locked into for one season |
| 02:59.57 | Amarande | or more like how SW:TOR does things with multiple instances of a planet on a server? |
| 03:00.07 | Neffi | I didn't play GW |
| 03:00.19 | Neffi | TERA does it that way, I know |
| 03:00.38 | Neffi | You get something near the minimap that gives you a dropdown of channels you can switch to, and how populated they are |
| 03:00.53 | xyphoid | the server model is so awful, for a while i had friends playing wow on 5 different servers |
| 03:00.57 | Neffi | But TERA also has servers besides that |
| 03:01.13 | Neffi | The only issue I see with using one big server is the amount of unique names run out fast |
| 03:01.25 | xyphoid | would have been nice to be able to play with all my friends but no, pick who you think the mostly likely to not quit by the time you finish levelling |
| 03:01.40 | Neffi | I'm pretty damned attached to the name Neffi, to the point where I'd be willing to pay for somebody to give itup. I dont want to do that. |
| 03:07.07 | VIad | if one packetlogs and stores the client and server hello and certificate exchange, can one recreate the cert and private key information? |
| 03:08.38 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 03:09.00 | VIad | what if one reverse engineers the 3ds and fetches the stored private key it uses? |
| 03:09.10 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 03:09.12 | VIad | good |
| 03:10.05 | VIad | playing around with pokemon on 3ds |
| 03:10.18 | VIad | did a pcap of the traffic and all is https |
| 03:10.37 | VIad | as opposed of the old games where some of it was over http |
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| 03:25.23 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/StaffordTownshipPoliceDepartment/posts/584512518274582 rediculous |
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| 03:31.56 | Fisker | I wonder if kd3 even understands the consequence |
| 03:33.02 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah, I wonder if ESO would have to be like Guild Wars then |
| 03:33.09 | Amarande | where you have longer names, and must give your character a first and last name |
| 03:33.25 | Amarande | thus alleviating name starvation quite a lot |
| 03:34.09 | Amarande | xyphoid: and yeah I know quite well how it feels to have friends scattered all over the servers on WoW heh |
| 03:40.45 | Neffi | hahaha http://i.imgur.com/As9QFp5.jpg |
| 03:41.19 | Neffi | Oh god I'm dying |
| 04:21.22 | airtonix_ | not falling? |
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| 05:22.47 | Amarande | hm, yeah, maybe I won't go with that foxconn board |
| 05:23.00 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157383 looks like the better choice for a nice-priced non-OC board |
| 05:24.52 | Fisker | morning tharper |
| 05:32.10 | tharper | morning fisker! |
| 05:33.56 | airtonix_ | but it's 4pm |
| 05:36.27 | Fisker | clever |
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| 08:30.08 | bleeter | for SDL hackers in the house, 2.0.1 got released. http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/file/b9663c77f5c9/WhatsNew.txt |
| 08:35.33 | Gnarfoz | is slouken still hacking on that? |
| 08:35.43 | Fisker | of course |
| 08:35.51 | Fisker | it's like his full-time job now |
| 08:36.32 | Gnarfoz | I thought he was with volvo |
| 08:36.38 | Gnarfoz | or are they basically paying him to develop it |
| 08:36.41 | Gnarfoz | so they can use it |
| 08:37.02 | Fisker | Yeah I'm thinking so |
| 08:37.08 | Fisker | well he probably doesn't exclusively work on it |
| 08:38.13 | nevcairiel | they use it, so they might allow him to continue working on it on company time as well |
| 08:39.21 | Shirik | I work on clang on company time :D |
| 08:39.28 | Shirik | for the same reason |
| 08:39.31 | Shirik | it benefits us |
| 08:40.04 | Shirik | but like Fisker said, not exclusively |
| 08:40.06 | Shirik | though he could |
| 08:40.18 | Fisker | clang? |
| 08:40.43 | Shirik | C++ compiler frontend |
| 08:42.14 | Shirik | TIL |
| 08:42.25 | Shirik | moon internet speeds are faster than 99% of ISPs |
| 08:42.31 | Gnarfoz | sounds about right |
| 08:42.35 | Shirik | 622 Mbps download |
| 08:42.41 | Shirik | 20 Mbps upload |
| 08:43.05 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:43.08 | Shirik | no stats on latency but it's laser, so it should be relatively fast |
| 08:43.09 | nevcairiel | i dont want to know the latency though |
| 08:43.25 | nevcairiel | even light travels a bit to the moon |
| 08:43.25 | Gnarfoz | can easily determine the absolute minimum latency ;p |
| 08:43.53 | Gnarfoz | which always reminds me of the "can't send email to places further than 200 miles away" story |
| 08:44.01 | Shirik | 1.283s minimum latency |
| 08:44.11 | Gnarfoz | ouch |
| 08:44.13 | airtonix_ | Gnarfoz: avail your self of this story. |
| 08:44.34 | Shirik | omg Gnarfoz |
| 08:44.36 | nevcairiel | its 380000 kilometers, even light takes a bit to go there |
| 08:44.40 | Shirik | I totally had one of those happen to me actually |
| 08:44.41 | Shirik | so |
| 08:44.43 | Shirik | I was testing this thing |
| 08:44.54 | Shirik | and we found out we had one way communications loss for no reason |
| 08:44.59 | Gnarfoz | airtonix_: it's actually 500 miles, but here you go: http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html |
| 08:45.11 | Shirik | but it was only one-way communications loss of multicast data |
| 08:45.15 | Shirik | all unicast data was going fine both ways |
| 08:45.26 | Shirik | we tracked it down to an ethernet cable |
| 08:45.36 | Shirik | granted, it was a 980 foot cable |
| 08:45.40 | Shirik | but it still makes absolutely no sense |
| 08:45.52 | Shirik | this cable blocks multicast traffic in one direction, and nothing else |
| 08:46.02 | Gnarfoz | it just doesn't like you |
| 08:46.33 | Shirik | the whole reason it took hours to find was because we're all abunch of engineers |
| 08:46.40 | Gnarfoz | CAN'T POSSIBLY BE |
| 08:46.40 | Shirik | and we're telling ourselves it can't possibly be the cable |
| 08:49.15 | nevcairiel | cables are smart too |
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| 08:52.24 | Fisker | ooh |
| 08:52.36 | Fisker | getting my new router tomorrow |
| 08:52.56 | Neffi | poor router |
| 08:54.47 | Fisker | haha funny story Gnarfoz |
| 08:55.29 | AcidWeb | http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html |
| 09:00.43 | karl_w_w | is that true Fisker? |
| 09:00.49 | Fisker | yes karl_w_w |
| 09:00.57 | karl_w_w | awesome |
| 09:01.03 | karl_w_w | I like funny stories |
| 09:06.29 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/mBY7ezs.jpg |
| 09:09.59 | karl_w_w | well well well |
| 09:10.47 | karl_w_w | but i fail on step 1 so |
| 09:11.56 | Neffi | pretty much |
| 09:12.12 | Neffi | "Wait, why am I memorizing this?" |
| 09:14.10 | airtonix_ | because a mugger will pose to you a math problem as an 'escape this situation" clause |
| 09:15.09 | airtonix_ | which, before brandishing the implement of his violent persuasion, will at great length explain the legalities of the ecounter |
| 09:15.40 | airtonix_ | "before we begin this encounter, i'd like you to sign here. here and here" |
| 09:15.58 | Neffi | I'm seeing a flaw in all of this, airtonix_ |
| 09:16.07 | Neffi | Why wouldn't I just stab him with the pen? |
| 09:16.18 | airtonix_ | this is what will happen when we abolish patent law |
| 09:16.23 | sintAcks | curse client spiking cpu usage and using 1.5GB of ram again ... |
| 09:16.24 | airtonix_ | they become muggers |
| 09:16.32 | Neffi | lol |
| 09:19.38 | bleeter | airtonix_++ |
| 09:46.26 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: to answer your question: "Car type: IFAR" (which should translate to something like "medium size SUV", e.g. Ford Escape) |
| 09:59.02 | karl_w_w | well this is the first time I haven't been able to work out why I can't eject a drive |
| 09:59.44 | karl_w_w | usually process explorer will tell me what process has the drive in its dirty mitts |
| 10:02.23 | Semlar | you go in there and rip that drive out like a man |
| 10:05.43 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: going to have room for 3 more plus luggage? |
| 10:06.14 | nevcairiel | there are few cars that can actually fit 4-5 people + their full luggage :d |
| 10:06.33 | nevcairiel | although you can try to squeeze in ;) |
| 10:06.53 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt sure how many he had with him |
| 10:07.32 | nevcairiel | we went in a rather big taxi with 4 passengers (so 5 including driver) and the usual big luggage you carry for a 3 week trip, and it was really tight |
| 10:08.11 | Semlar | was it cash cab |
| 10:08.42 | nevcairiel | wtf is cash cab |
| 10:09.16 | Semlar | well, you see |
| 10:09.21 | Semlar | it's a cab |
| 10:09.37 | Semlar | where they give you cash for answering questions all the way to your destination! |
| 10:09.44 | Semlar | but there's a catch! |
| 10:09.55 | Semlar | 3 strikes and you're out! |
| 10:10.59 | karl_w_w | you would be pissed off if you were on your way to a job interview |
| 10:11.37 | Arrowmaster | i had never heard of it until our DM did Treasure Train on us during D&D |
| 10:11.57 | Semlar | it was probably one of my favorite shows on discovery |
| 10:12.20 | Semlar | but that's mostly because everything on tv is really bad |
| 10:23.08 | zenzio | Chrome browser update on Android; patch note: "Fixes crash associated with daylight savings time change" |
| 10:23.22 | zenzio | we really should just get rid of DST already |
| 10:23.33 | karl_w_w | no we shouldn't |
| 10:23.42 | karl_w_w | we should have it everywhere |
| 10:23.55 | airtonix_ | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/8298-Beyond-Two-Souls |
| 10:24.01 | zenzio | if everyone could have it change at the same time, perhaps |
| 10:24.06 | karl_w_w | and we should make software that doesn't crash for stupid reasons |
| 10:24.19 | airtonix_ | and put yourself out of a job? |
| 10:24.34 | karl_w_w | I'm not software :( |
| 10:24.50 | airtonix_ | that's debatable |
| 10:25.22 | airtonix_ | for example: how do you know you're not a brain in a jar? |
| 10:26.05 | karl_w_w | brains in jars can't bang your mum! |
| 10:26.08 | karl_w_w | oh yeah |
| 10:26.11 | airtonix_ | lawl |
| 10:26.27 | xyphoid | brain in a .jar |
| 10:55.35 | airtonix_ | http://i.imgur.com/ej4pRgb.jpg |
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| 12:16.55 | karl_w_w | is steam down? |
| 12:17.17 | nevcairiel | isnt that like asking "is google down?" |
| 12:17.40 | karl_w_w | no |
| 12:18.10 | karl_w_w | because I don't use steam much |
| 12:19.23 | karl_w_w | and it's just giving me 'could not connect to the steam network' at launch :( |
| 12:19.47 | karl_w_w | http://issteamdown.com/ useful |
| 12:20.07 | Alram | http://status.steamdb.info/ better |
| 12:21.07 | nevcairiel | that seems more like a status page for streamdb.info itself |
| 12:21.19 | Alram | yeah, but we also have steam on there |
| 12:21.28 | Alram | and it doesnt require a manual update like issteamdown :v |
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| 13:00.25 | zenzio | not from WoW |
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| 13:16.47 | karl_w_w | use print(x) and an addon that lets you copy from chat |
| 13:17.50 | karl_w_w | you can save it to a file but you'd need to make an addon to do it and you'd have to reload ui every time |
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| 13:28.07 | alestane | Isn't it specifically a design concern to prevent add-ons from exporting info out of the WoW sandbox in real time? |
| 13:28.45 | Dagmar | very likely |
| 13:29.12 | nevcairiel | addons usually just show you a big editbox, and select the text, and you still have to press the copy key |
| 13:29.27 | nevcairiel | dont think they can put it into the clipboard automatically |
| 13:32.24 | zenzio | I would imagine not |
| 13:32.32 | zenzio | that would make it very easy to export data |
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| 13:36.44 | karl_w_w | too easy! |
| 13:37.23 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.30 | nevcairiel | wonder that noone tried to use the audio engine to export data |
| 13:38.41 | nevcairiel | wouldnt be too hard to recognize playback of tiny audio files :p |
| 13:39.09 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 13:39.30 | karl_w_w | it would probably be too slow |
| 13:40.11 | nevcairiel | yeah i suppose you cant control the audio good enough to send enough information |
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| 13:47.08 | Maldivia | wouldn't it be easier to just control the color of the upper right corner or something |
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| 13:52.07 | zenzio | isn't that basically what someone did? |
| 13:52.29 | zenzio | or was it OCRing screenshots, I don't recall |
| 13:53.16 | zenzio | I think there was one addon at least that ran a ReloadUI() reaonably often, to flush data to the disk |
| 13:56.08 | zenzio | not quite how I remembered it apparently. This was the one I was thinking of: http://tweetcraft.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Frequently%20Asked%20Questions&referringTitle=Home |
| 13:59.04 | nevcairiel | tweetcraft was terrible |
| 13:59.16 | zenzio | I never used it; just recall when it was released |
| 13:59.23 | zenzio | or became known, whichever |
| 13:59.36 | nevcairiel | but yeah it uses reloadui to read a new data file |
| 14:00.00 | nevcairiel | no magic in there |
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| 14:04.31 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: that'd probably be a bit crowded - I only know the class of car, not the actual type, so I can't really make any assumptions |
| 14:04.57 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: 3 additional people would probably fit easily enough, but not with luggage :D |
| 14:05.11 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: wish I could be more specific :D |
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| 14:06.50 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: also, great news, since I rented it half asleep, I didn't notice I picked Las Vegas instead of Los Angeles. Noticed earlier today... customer service said "no problem, just cancel it and book again, that's easiest" - ok, but now the same package/deal is 115€ more! wtf? :D (and it's not because of LAX vs. Las Vegas, they're the same) |
| 14:07.42 | Gnarfoz | I'll just give it a day, maybe, if my own booking drove the price up, my own cancellation will bring it back down :P (probably not, but got nothing to lose now :P) |
| 14:07.52 | Gnarfoz | volatile prices are the worst |
| 14:08.59 | Gnarfoz | gotta get back to doing "actual" work ;p |
| 14:11.11 | nevcairiel | fail |
| 14:11.14 | nevcairiel | :D |
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| 14:19.47 | nibordoohe | ./script BCMCopyBox:SetText(variable); BCMCopyBox:HighlightText(0); BCMCopyFrame:Show() |
| 14:20.39 | nibordoohe | ty karl_w_w |
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| 14:21.05 | karl_w_w | don't thank me, thank airtonix_ |
| 14:21.12 | karl_w_w | everything I do is to impress him |
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| 14:24.18 | Ackis | I fell asleep playing my nintendo 3DS last night lol |
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| 14:36.48 | karl_w_w | i've played a lot of wow and only done that once |
| 14:37.04 | karl_w_w | it was like 3am and i decided it was a good time to heal illidan |
| 14:37.51 | karl_w_w | i have fallen asleep playing zynga poker though |
| 14:37.58 | karl_w_w | and final fantasy x |
| 14:38.18 | karl_w_w | and no doubt a bunch of other things i dont remember |
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| 15:07.42 | TC-Work | I have fallen asleep playing D3 |
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| 15:20.06 | foxlit | TC-Work: I have fallen asleep watching anime where the main character keeps falling asleep. |
| 15:20.27 | TC-Work | Insleeption |
| 15:20.48 | TC-Work | Although something I have never done is fall asleep reading or watching something. |
| 15:21.27 | nevcairiel | that reminds me of the time in BWL when one of our priests started snoring in TS |
| 15:21.52 | TC-Work | I hate people that don't use ptt |
| 15:22.19 | nevcairiel | and I can easily fall asleep in front of the TV or even in the cinema |
| 15:25.23 | TC-Work | I got in the habit that if I get tired, I turn shit off and go to bed. |
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| 15:42.16 | Unkle | That's a good habit. |
| 15:44.03 | Unkle | Back in '05 a bunch of guildees and I were running dungeons - and the tank was unusually 'chatty' in TS. And then he got quieter and slower and then started slurring his words ... and then started running into a wall and snoring. |
| 15:44.28 | Unkle | He'd had a lot to drink before sitting down to play and passed out from it. |
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| 15:45.20 | TC-Work | I doubt it is all that uncommon |
| 15:45.49 | karl_w_w | never falled asleep watching something? that's superhuman |
| 15:55.28 | TC-Work | Sarcasm from you karl_w_w? Nevah! |
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| 15:58.23 | karl_w_w | no sarcasms |
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| 16:33.39 | pompy | interesting http://amzn.com/B00C71034I being released on a Friday. |
| 16:33.39 | Unkle | Kind of neat if you like "How it's made" stuffs - http://atomicdelights.com/blog/how-apple-makes-the-mac-pro |
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| 16:51.55 | TC-Work | Look at that, they made an art of creating trash. |
| 16:57.08 | Fisker | oh almost forgot |
| 16:57.13 | Fisker | nooooooo |
| 16:57.56 | TC-Work | hmm? |
| 17:05.36 | bluipodcow | Omg |
| 17:05.54 | bluipodcow | They made that old system 8 Oscar the crouch mod |
| 17:06.02 | bluipodcow | An IRL thing |
| 17:06.08 | bluipodcow | In the mac pro |
| 17:11.02 | Maldivia | ? |
| 17:11.18 | bluipodcow | Woods |
| 17:11.23 | bluipodcow | Whoops |
| 17:11.29 | bluipodcow | Oscar the grouch |
| 17:12.16 | bluipodcow | Imgur.com/r/gifs/ixSg5FN |
| 17:13.44 | bluipodcow | http://m.imgur.com/r/gifs/ixSg5FN |
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| 17:47.32 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: it was a shot in the dark, figured there wouldnt be room |
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| 17:59.07 | Arrowmaster | i fell asleep waiting on Nef to respawn once |
| 17:59.24 | Arrowmaster | thats more of a right of passage though |
| 18:03.33 | Neffi | I didn't know I was so sought after |
| 18:06.57 | Fisker | mean bluipodcow |
| 18:06.57 | Fisker | mean |
| 18:08.09 | bluipodcow | Hmmmmmm |
| 18:08.10 | bluipodcow | Y |
| 18:08.19 | bluipodcow | I mean? |
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| 18:54.43 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: where do you need to go, anyway? Marriott? |
| 18:55.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 18:55.40 | Arrowmaster | we were planning to do the super shuttle anyway |
| 18:56.07 | Arrowmaster | but do contact us when you get in wednesday |
| 19:00.30 | TC-Work | You guys doing anything on thrusday before the dinner? |
| 19:00.43 | TC-Work | thursday* |
| 19:01.03 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 19:01.47 | Arrowmaster | in '11 we waited a bit then got our badges then went to dinner |
| 19:02.15 | TC-Work | If that filled up the entire day, that's kinda sad. |
| 19:04.40 | Arrowmaster | no that was only from about 6pm and after |
| 19:05.47 | bleeter | shirik, kd3, (iriel's afk so won't ping him), other photography nutters: http://haxit.blogspot.ch/2013/08/hacking-transcend-wifi-sd-cards.html |
| 19:06.00 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: that would have been another problem, including immigration, luggage pickup, getting the car, you would have probably had to wait quite a while for us :) |
| 19:06.18 | Gnarfoz | oh and contacting... need to pick up a sim card, too :D |
| 19:06.26 | Gnarfoz | to-do lists are endless |
| 19:06.46 | bleeter | TO-DO: Create to-do list |
| 19:06.47 | TC-Work | I don't think anyone here uses them due to the lack of everything |
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| 19:14.38 | TC-Work | Oh, hmm. I thought that was about the eye-fi |
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| 19:16.54 | bleeter | TC-Work: nope. and there's a link off that page with info on how to build one's own busybox for the card, too |
| 19:17.20 | bleeter | course, the big question is whether Transcend patched any of that shittyness since it was all revealed |
| 19:17.32 | TC-Work | Well it was more about the eye-fi's being garbage as cards. Not sure how the trancend stacks up. |
| 19:17.38 | bleeter | at least, I'm guessing that the cards sitting on the shelf at my local photography shop have been there for a little while |
| 19:18.07 | bleeter | No without trying, but they're probably garbage as well. have onboard web server and a stupid mobile app etc. |
| 19:18.58 | bleeter | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/d5ffdc1024691a0870941be352ce9e06/tumblr_muziawJEaC1rmg7i2o1_400.gif |
| 19:19.50 | TC-Work | Car wanted to nomnomnom |
| 19:23.09 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I'll be there again this year. |
| 19:24.51 | Arrowmaster | yay |
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| 20:23.26 | TC-Work | Shirik: http://theaviationist.com/2013/10/23/raaad-drone/#.UmmBtZBDsxl |
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| 20:40.29 | Gnarfoz | this car rental thing is driving me nuts |
| 20:40.38 | TC-Work | Why? |
| 20:40.44 | TC-Work | you mean the price change? |
| 20:40.53 | Gnarfoz | I'm almost over that part, but |
| 20:41.06 | Gnarfoz | now the "gold package" is cheaper (45€) than the "master package", even though the gold package is the one with more features |
| 20:41.11 | Gnarfoz | Y U NO MAKE SENSE |
| 20:41.50 | Gnarfoz | even better: the one extra feature gold has over "master" is 3 additional drivers for free |
| 20:42.10 | Gnarfoz | but additional drivers are automatically free in California |
| 20:42.19 | Gnarfoz | so... what exactly am I getting for my 45€ less |
| 20:42.20 | Gnarfoz | or more |
| 20:42.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:44.19 | Gnarfoz | oh btw, TC-Work - was your "nobody uses them" comment about pre-paid SIM cards? |
| 20:44.48 | Gnarfoz | (or about to-do lists :D) |
| 20:44.56 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: No, it was about the sd card |
| 20:45.21 | Gnarfoz | ah, that link, I see |
| 20:47.07 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/3aTtw7o.gif hahahaha |
| 20:47.10 | Neffi | (nsfw?) |
| 20:48.35 | TC-Work | Someone really likes their soda. |
| 20:49.00 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: They may be national packages |
| 20:49.17 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: meaning what? |
| 20:49.26 | TC-Work | about the extra driver bit |
| 20:49.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah, makes sense, of course |
| 20:49.47 | Gnarfoz | but I don't get how the one with the extra drivers is cheaper |
| 20:51.01 | Gnarfoz | say "master" is 500€, and "gold" would be 600€ because of the additional drivers, even if they subtract the drivers because they're free anyway in CA, then they should both be the same price... but gold is actually less than master. (= |
| 20:51.20 | Gnarfoz | I'm fine with the weirdly cheap gold one, I'm not complaining |
| 20:52.34 | Torhal | http://candybox2.net/ <-- Looks completely pointless at first. Give it about five minutes. |
| 20:52.38 | Gnarfoz | it's just that last night I (apparently) sniped a "master package + free GPS" one for basically 12€ more than the gold package (with it's extra drivers which we won't need because my friend doesn't drive) |
| 20:53.06 | Gnarfoz | I'd have liked to get free gps, would have absolved us from keeping our smartphones usable as navigation devices |
| 20:53.56 | Gnarfoz | but the Hyperloop will be built before I pay $210 for a GPS for 15 days |
| 20:53.59 | Gnarfoz | I can fucking buy one for that |
| 20:54.24 | Gnarfoz | (sidenote: wtb Hyperloop) |
| 20:56.09 | Arrowmaster | damn straight |
| 20:56.55 | TC-Work | Yea, cuse CA has tons of moneu for that. |
| 20:57.29 | Arrowmaster | i could use one here in ohio |
| 20:57.44 | TC-Work | money* |
| 20:59.45 | xyphoid | god renting a car in the US was the single most stressful part of our trip there |
| 21:00.04 | Neffi | God rented a car? Why would god need to rent a car? |
| 21:07.19 | TC-Work | He doesnt need to, it's just manners. |
| 21:07.54 | TC-Work | Besides, what if god had company? |
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| 21:13.24 | Cairenn | "What if God was one of us?" |
| 21:13.34 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://candybox2.net/ |
| 21:13.36 | Torhal | DOOOO EEEEEEET |
| 21:13.40 | TC-Work | ...Thanks for getting that song stuck in my head Cairenn... |
| 21:13.46 | Cairenn | Hehehehe |
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| 21:30.06 | Gnarfoz | TC-Work: no idea how accurate those claims were (as megaprojects go), but didn't Musk claim that the proposed CA high-speed train would be even more expensive than the Hyperloop? (...an nonexistent technology which would probably eat several times the amount the train costs, just to finish developing it :D) |
| 21:30.44 | TC-Work | Gnarfoz: That proposed high speed train idea went out the door a while back. |
| 21:30.48 | Unkle | The high speed rail system in CA is a boondogle |
| 21:30.54 | Gnarfoz | I see |
| 21:30.56 | Ackis | omg Euro Truck Simulator 2 is on sale today |
| 21:31.00 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: BUY BUY BUY |
| 21:31.35 | Ackis | neit |
| 21:32.12 | xyphoid | hyperloop was crap since it was costed to link to the edge of each city and skipped the, you know, reach the centre of town part |
| 21:32.32 | Ackis | but it sounds cool |
| 21:33.11 | Gnarfoz | and that's not necessarily crap, either - it doesn't have to be perfect, just better than the alternatives! :D |
| 21:33.34 | Gnarfoz | what's the point of that candybox site again |
| 21:33.50 | TC-Work | To waste time |
| 21:34.38 | Gnarfoz | oh I never clicked the bottom button |
| 21:34.44 | Gnarfoz | now it's a bit more interesting ;p |
| 21:34.55 | Torhal | Ackis: http://candybox2.net/ |
| 21:35.03 | nebula169 | turns into a mud |
| 21:35.13 | nebula169 | don't do it! its a trap! |
| 21:43.36 | Cairenn | The link isn't working for me |
| 21:45.22 | TC-Work | The site is somewhat hammered. Once it finally loaded I needed to refresh for it to trigger |
| 21:46.14 | Cairenn | Yeah, it actually loaded that time. |
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| 22:02.39 | kd3 | hokay. finally got the gigantic 3+gig ptr patch downloaded. let's see what the hell's in it |
| 22:03.02 | TC-Work | I'll be so ammused if it is a dummy file. |
| 22:03.10 | TC-Work | amused* |
| 22:04.35 | MysticalOS | I honestly suspect it's all the data from previous packages comsolidatd into a single mpq, however probably a fuckup considering right now the client is still using and requiring all previous patch files. I simply cannot imagine there are 3 gigs of NEW data |
| 22:06.29 | kd3 | I see lots of model changes (all of the player models got hit), but nothing exorbitant |
| 22:06.36 | kd3 | I agree, they probably botched the compose or something |
| 22:07.27 | Gnarfoz | or it's the new player models! |
| 22:07.35 | Gnarfoz | yeah right. |
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| 22:09.08 | p3lim_ | Is it just me or is asus.com blank? |
| 22:09.36 | TC-Work | Just you |
| 22:09.53 | kd3 | asus.com wfm |
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| 22:15.31 | fewyn | anyone in here back the hextcg? |
| 22:20.23 | jleclanche | Thinking of gamers, we (A&A) even allow people to pick the window over night where they would prefer to have a PPP restart if we are doing any LNS upgrade work. I know the gamers will be playing at 1am (they are in the bedroom next to mine). So when they finally move out (real soon now, honest) they can have the same reliable Internet that the rest of our customers enjoy, and not be guinea pigs any more. |
| 22:20.26 | jleclanche | I really love my isp |
| 22:20.36 | jleclanche | fewyn: shirik did |
| 22:20.51 | fewyn | i got into the alpha |
| 22:20.52 | fewyn | today |
| 22:22.45 | kd3 | emails away |
| 22:23.15 | jleclanche | god damn it. |
| 22:24.26 | jleclanche | kd3: where did you get that ptr patch? |
| 22:24.29 | jleclanche | my runner's not finding it |
| 22:24.46 | jleclanche | oh, its yesterday's. |
| 22:25.11 | kd3 | yes, thus the (and about 24 hours) bit |
| 22:25.17 | jleclanche | yeah |
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| 23:19.34 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster, TC-Work: it worked :D got the same price as last night again. http://i.imgur.com/9Mkvafi.png \o/ correct city this time. :P |
| 23:19.56 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:20.15 | TC-Work | And here I thought you wanted decent gas mileage. |
| 23:20.52 | Gnarfoz | gas mileage is not yet decided ;p |
| 23:21.23 | Gnarfoz | although it's obviously not going to be the best US cars can do, yeah ;p |
| 23:21.23 | TC-Work | Huh? I mean mpg |
| 23:21.31 | Gnarfoz | I understood |
| 23:21.39 | TC-Work | but at the best you are going to get ~20 |
| 23:21.52 | Arrowmaster | probably less |
| 23:21.53 | fewyn | i'm streaming some hex tcg on http://www.twitch.tv/fewyn if anyone is interested |
| 23:22.23 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: how far are you planning to go after blizzcon? |
| 23:22.27 | Neffi | If it's a very new model, you might hit mid 20s miles-per-gallon at best |
| 23:22.42 | Neffi | Likely will hover under 20 though, because it's probably not new |
| 23:23.09 | Arrowmaster | my dad got a chevy hhr and can get about 25ish highway but thats like a very small suv |
| 23:23.27 | Neffi | My father has a Ford F150 which isn't build too disimilarly to that, and he gets 15-20 depending on conditions |
| 23:23.36 | Gnarfoz | I'm more comfortable paying a bit more on gas than picking one of the other categories and be annoyed at its space/cargo attributes |
| 23:23.48 | Gnarfoz | and maybe get stupid and upgrade on-site |
| 23:23.57 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: gas is probably still cheaper in the US than europe |
| 23:24.00 | Neffi | How many people? |
| 23:24.03 | Gnarfoz | it is |
| 23:24.23 | Gnarfoz | two, but w/ HUGE D.. trunks |
| 23:24.24 | Neffi | Don't count on it being too cheap, if that page is accurate and you'll be around LA |
| 23:25.04 | Gnarfoz | LA first week, "to be finalized" next 8 days :D |
| 23:25.19 | Neffi | Well, enjoy your trip |
| 23:25.26 | Arrowmaster | just keep in mind how big cali actually is |
| 23:25.27 | Gnarfoz | that's the main goal |
| 23:25.40 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: I can do that after I learn how big it is! :D |
| 23:25.40 | Neffi | I've never been out west myself, so I can't say what it's like. But my brother and father both loved California. |
| 23:26.08 | fewyn | lol i think the hex servers are dying |
| 23:26.13 | fewyn | my games keep getting locked up |
| 23:26.24 | Gnarfoz | it's a shame Grand Canyon and Yosemite are in opposite directions from LA ;p |
| 23:26.30 | Neffi | Between them they've pretty much hit all of it, hiking and sight-seeing and all that jazz. The next year or two after their trips, I never stopped hearing how awesome it was. |
| 23:26.49 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: haha you have no idea how far grand canyon is from LA |
| 23:27.02 | Neffi | lol\ |
| 23:27.13 | Gnarfoz | it's not even in CA, I'm aware |
| 23:27.33 | Neffi | The US is a big place |
| 23:27.59 | Gnarfoz | even if that is the only impression we take home, it'll probably have been interesting ;p |
| 23:28.05 | Neffi | I imagine for us, traveling between states is like you guys traveling between countries |
| 23:28.20 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: for central europe, that's pretty accurate I think |
| 23:28.23 | Arrowmaster | google maps says its 7 hours from disneyland to grand canyon |
| 23:28.49 | Neffi | I would say so, having driven regularly between NYC and Michigan, went to Maine twice by car, and been to central PA several times |
| 23:28.54 | Gnarfoz | (I've actually been to the US before, 4 week student exchange in 2003, but that didn't include much traveling) |
| 23:29.49 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: yeah, it's certainly not a day-trip thing ;p |
| 23:30.17 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: now if you were to spend a few days in vegas you could make a day trip to the grand canyon |
| 23:30.19 | Gnarfoz | we'll probably stick to CA, so we don't end up being on the road 95% of the time |
| 23:30.29 | Neffi | 7 hours is probably a conservative estimate. Generally traffic seems to be much worse than GMaps accounts for IME. |
| 23:30.48 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: yeah, original plans would have allowed for that, we shifted it around a bit though, now it doesn't seem so likely |
| 23:30.51 | Arrowmaster | you can even get helicopter tours of the grand canyon out of vegas |
| 23:31.41 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: and you are going to disneyland on sunday right? |
| 23:32.10 | Gnarfoz | I expect we'll get to the actual "what r we gun doooo?" planning on the flight. :P |
| 23:32.35 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: unless we find something EVEN BETTER for that day (which I doubt), yeah |
| 23:32.46 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 23:32.53 | Arrowmaster | whats better than disneyland with all of us |
| 23:33.14 | Gnarfoz | disneyland all for yourself? |
| 23:33.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:33.24 | Gnarfoz | to yourself, I mean |
| 23:33.36 | Arrowmaster | no we are going as a group |
| 23:33.51 | Gnarfoz | nah, I know, I meant having the park to yourself ;) |
| 23:34.09 | Gnarfoz | actually, one thing confused me: maps and such talk about several parks |
| 23:34.22 | Gnarfoz | is it one big thing? sub-parks? actual separat parks? |
| 23:34.32 | Gnarfoz | +e |
| 23:34.48 | Arrowmaster | there is disneyland proper and california adventure land |
| 23:35.44 | Gnarfoz | I assume the former is the one we'll be going to |
| 23:36.03 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:36.45 | Gnarfoz | OSM never disappoints |
| 23:37.19 | Gnarfoz | detailed maps of both |
| 23:40.36 | Gnarfoz | parking lots over 9000 |
| 23:40.45 | Arrowmaster | ill need to check if they have an android app this year |
| 23:41.36 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: park at your hotel and get everywhere around the con center without the car |
| 23:41.43 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: of course |
| 23:42.24 | Arrowmaster | my friend rented a camaro in '11 and we went to get lunch/breakfast in it and nowhere else |
| 23:42.40 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 23:43.27 | Arrowmaster | he used it to go somewhere else sunday though, we have a friend working at disney animation studios he went to see |
| 23:44.07 | Gnarfoz | that reminds me, should look up if there's Five Guys anywhere there... already saw (while looking for rental cars) that there's an In'n'Out right next to the airport. I gotta try both once while there so I can finally understand the jibber-jabber about it on reddit et al |
| 23:45.02 | TC-Work | I have never been to a five guys |
| 23:45.06 | Arrowmaster | never been to an in'n'out but ive been to five guys once |
| 23:45.24 | Arrowmaster | i spent $13 on a bacon cheeseburger |
| 23:46.46 | Gnarfoz | actually, while we're at it, do we know where the dinner-thing will be on thursday? |
| 23:47.00 | Arrowmaster | not sure if Cairenn has decided yet |
| 23:47.13 | Cairenn | PF Chang's |
| 23:47.17 | TC-Work | She has |
| 23:47.19 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 23:47.23 | Cairenn | I updated the post |
| 23:47.29 | Gnarfoz | whoo |
| 23:49.58 | Gnarfoz | awesome, that's like, within arm's reach from our place :D |
| 23:49.59 | fewyn | hextcg is a lot of fun |
| 23:50.04 | fewyn | they invited a lot of people into alpha tho |
| 23:50.06 | fewyn | today |
| 23:50.11 | fewyn | so servers are on fire |
| 23:52.45 | Arrowmaster | 30 people, its going to be crouded |
| 23:52.59 | Cairenn | No more so than any other year |
| 23:53.12 | Cairenn | We're going to have the outside (heated) patio |
| 23:53.12 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 23:53.18 | Arrowmaster | yay |
| 23:53.33 | Arrowmaster | they kinda crammed us in the back at bubbas |
| 23:53.49 | Cairenn | The way that did it last time was really weird and stupid |
| 23:54.00 | Cairenn | It had been much better in previous years |
| 23:54.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah '10 was a bunch of normal tables and '11 was a big long table |
| 23:54.40 | Arrowmaster | just too crowded at that long table |
| 23:54.42 | Cairenn | Yeah, 9 & 10 were both fine |
| 23:54.48 | Cairenn | 11 was just stupid |
| 23:54.58 | Cairenn | and then the food poisoning .... |
| 23:55.03 | Arrowmaster | and i got dip dumped on me |
| 23:55.08 | Cairenn | ugh |
| 23:55.14 | Cairenn | Hadn't heard about that |
| 23:55.25 | Arrowmaster | you didnt? |
| 23:55.38 | Cairenn | I don't believe so, but maybe I did and have just forgotten |
| 23:55.44 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 23:55.58 | Cairenn | 11 wasn't a good year for me |
| 23:56.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont recall 10 being very good for you either |
| 23:56.50 | Cairenn | errr, right, wrong year ... /me goes back to sleep |
| 23:56.59 | Gnarfoz | that's a very good idea |
| 23:57.10 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 23:57.27 | Gnarfoz | 2 am :o |
| 23:57.53 | Gnarfoz | and it's 49 hour weekend this weekend for us, yay \o/ |
| 23:59.05 | Gnarfoz | next week for Cali, heh |
| 23:59.14 | Gnarfoz | would have been too awesome to have it on the blizzcon weekend |
| 23:59.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah we get that the weekend before blizzcon |
| 23:59.36 | kd3 | ..was gonna say, thought we had another week for that |
