| 00:02.25 | airtonix | Shirik: if you had a phone with removable storage then you could. |
| 00:02.38 | airtonix | :] |
| 00:10.46 | Amarande | heh, removable storage is starting to become an obsolete thing though airtonix :) |
| 00:10.51 | Amarande | at least on mobile devices |
| 00:11.12 | Amarande | and oddly enough I've read that the ability to sell extra space as a high-price premium feature on the Nexus tablets is NOT actually Google's primary reason for not having an SD slot |
| 00:11.46 | Amarande | it's apparently dictated by UX design, android tablets that allow SD slots apparently result in extra user confusion due to "wtf does this need to go" type thinking coming into play a lot more |
| 00:12.22 | Amarande | well, and microsoft can probably be blamed to a degree for it as mobile storage expands :S |
| 00:13.27 | Amarande | specifically, in the fact that exFAT is patent encumbered, and pretty much the only way to avoid it in a practical sense is not to support super-large storage on a removable basis |
| 00:13.44 | Amarande | (otherwise you get "why can't I read my SD card normally after using it in (device)") |
| 00:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | i really hate how many features people are willing to give up to make a product smaller |
| 00:24.25 | Mr_Rabies | gluing phones together and removing external storage and soldering batteries and stuff are pretty much the worst ever |
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| 00:41.10 | airtonix | i'm using btsync in place of google drive now |
| 00:41.27 | airtonix | one thing that i'm not sure of though |
| 00:41.46 | Thunder_Child | Then don't use a phone like that Mr_Rabies |
| 00:41.56 | airtonix | anyone else using btsync? |
| 00:43.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, Thunder_Child, but there are few that don't do at least one of those :( |
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| 00:53.24 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah, a lot of that stuff is just plain :( (although the Toshiba KIRA ultrabooks are drooly looking, sometimes I wish I had $1500 to spare for a laptop ...) |
| 00:53.44 | Amarande | but I can understand Android devices wanting to get rid of external storage, even so |
| 00:55.57 | Amarande | When you put an SD card in Android devices it creates two entirely separate directory trees, which aren't entirely equal since the SD card has always been a second-class citizen on Android |
| 00:56.51 | Amarande | and for typical users involves some head-scratching as to where you *actually should* put a given file |
| 00:59.28 | Amarande | it also may relieve some of the patent licence burden on Android device makers if they don't have to support exFAT (with internal storage they can always use ext2 or the like instead) |
| 01:01.48 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, i think the internal storage should be reserved for stuff that the user can't generally access unless they're rooted, and the external should just have everything user-facing |
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| 01:05.09 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: that has its problem as well, namely that such a device probably wouldn't work at all without an SD card inserted to accept apps |
| 01:05.23 | Amarande | the memory card is seen as a perk, not a mandatory extra expense |
| 01:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'd think that performance issues aside, a fast 64GB microSD card is probably way cheaper than the difference between a 32GB and 64GB phone |
| 01:07.43 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: nothing is forcing android to support exFAT, just because 64gb cards come preformated in it doesnt mean you have to use it |
| 01:07.58 | Mr_Rabies | also there's nothing stopping them from bundling microSD cards |
| 01:08.00 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: except practicality, mainly |
| 01:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | they could still gouge on those and still have different "models" of phones |
| 01:08.28 | Amarande | SD cards are the sort of thing people expect to insert into any device that supports one and have it "just work" |
| 01:08.29 | Mr_Rabies | er different tiers, whatever |
| 01:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | exFAT works pretty well with windows, as far as i know |
| 01:08.58 | Amarande | to avoid the exFAT patent, Android would have to reformat the SD card, and I'm not sure it supports NTFS which means it wouldn't be able to format it in a way that can be read by other devices |
| 01:09.02 | Arrowmaster | and the unified storage on nexus devices is much better than the crap you get with other manufactures |
| 01:09.09 | Amarande | yeah, that's the problem, exfat works pretty well with windows |
| 01:09.18 | Amarande | because it's patent-encumbered MS proprietary technology |
| 01:09.31 | Amarande | which is why it costs Android device makers money to nicely support large SD cards |
| 01:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | seems to be supported well by every modern apple and windows OS, i don't really see a problem |
| 01:10.10 | Amarande | unlike many of MS's core patent technologies, which they licence pretty openly and freely, exFAT is conspicuously kept proprietary (and probably precisely for this reason) |
| 01:10.18 | Arrowmaster | whats the point of having a 64GB card in your phone if you cant move apps to it |
| 01:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | that sounds like a software issue to me |
| 01:11.34 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: partly and partly a legal issue |
| 01:12.04 | Arrowmaster | you need to reformat the card to put apps on it unless you want to deal with the really shitty method that causes more trouble because of file permissions |
| 01:12.33 | Amarande | ultimately, the problem is that there is no one filesystem that's well-supported across platforms for large flash media that isn't patent encumbered |
| 01:12.44 | Arrowmaster | UDF |
| 01:13.13 | Mr_Rabies | what do they use for the larger internal flash storage? |
| 01:13.20 | Arrowmaster | ext3 |
| 01:13.22 | Amarande | ext2 isn't supported outside of open source OS and their derivates, exFAT is proprietary and patented, NTFS isn't supported on Android AFAIK |
| 01:13.52 | Amarande | yeah, for the non-removable storage they can use ext2/ext3 because that storage space never needs to be directly seen by another OS |
| 01:13.56 | Arrowmaster | ntfs and exfat are supported on android by fuse, its upto the manufacturer/rom maker to support them |
| 01:14.32 | Mr_Rabies | so what's the downside to using ntfs then? |
| 01:14.51 | Amarande | yeah that I'm not sure, why they went with exfat instead of ntfs as the standard for large cards |
| 01:14.52 | airtonix | jleclanche: i'd hate to be searching for chef celery cookbook on bing |
| 01:15.03 | Arrowmaster | used to use fat for it but once they moved to MTP instead of MSC they switched to one ext3 partition |
| 01:15.36 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: flash storage doesnt need a journaled filesystem |
| 01:15.53 | Arrowmaster | at least not one as terrible as ntfs |
| 01:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | what's the downside, though |
| 01:16.50 | Arrowmaster | of ntfs? MS patents |
| 01:17.27 | Amarande | yeah, basically to escape MS patents on large flash storage, you have to use a filesystem that makes it impossible to read the card directly on Windows devices |
| 01:17.40 | Amarande | hence you have to use MTP-mediated internal storage only, pretty much |
| 01:17.41 | Arrowmaster | again, UDF works |
| 01:17.55 | Amarande | or UDF, perhaps |
| 01:18.18 | Arrowmaster | but there are other reasons android uses MTP and did away with MSC instead of just FAT |
| 01:18.45 | Arrowmaster | it complicates the system when your storage has to be removed from the OS so another OS can read it |
| 01:18.49 | Mr_Rabies | as in, microsoft doesn't license out NTFS? i'm not really sure, you did say ntfs was available through fuse so i figured it was a thing |
| 01:19.07 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: as in, exFAT and NTFS require *payment* |
| 01:19.09 | Arrowmaster | its still patented |
| 01:19.15 | kd3 | ms licenses it out, presumably, but why pay for a license when you don't have to? |
| 01:19.19 | Amarande | some MS patents can be used freely, but others require licence fees |
| 01:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | because apparently there's nothing out there that works properly that is free |
| 01:20.02 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: there are, but apart from UDF, Microsoft refuses to support any of them in Windows |
| 01:20.32 | Amarande | and the strict driver security models in newer Windows versions possibly mean things like Windows ext2/3/4 drivers may be pretty much things forever of the past, too |
| 01:20.56 | airtonix | but no one uses windows so who cares |
| 01:21.26 | airtonix | i mean seriously? wasn't the prohibition era like last century lol |
| 01:21.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont so i dont care |
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| 01:36.04 | airtonix | principle of least astonishment |
| 01:36.20 | airtonix | i think ruby is a great example |
| 01:36.43 | airtonix | and by association so is perl |
| 01:37.27 | airtonix | both languages that leave in a constant state of "WAT" |
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| 02:03.14 | Neffi | Hellz yeah. |
| 02:03.39 | Neffi | Local deli sells single beers out of any six pack they offer. This is deifnitely gonna increase my alcohol consumption. |
| 02:04.41 | airtonix | that's always a good thing right? |
| 02:06.08 | Neffi | Oh definitely |
| 02:06.32 | Neffi | How can a mix-n-match six pack of Guinness, Blue Moon and Sam Adams not be the greatest thing ever? |
| 02:07.33 | nevcairiel | shops dont usually sell single beers where you are? |
| 02:07.35 | nevcairiel | that seems odd |
| 02:08.12 | Neffi | I was shocked when I saw posts on imgur about stores doing that |
| 02:08.34 | Neffi | It's really common to find shitty domestic beers in 24 oz cans, but not good beers, and not single bottles |
| 02:08.52 | Neffi | I don't partake in garbage like Budweiser, Coors and Miller |
| 02:08.59 | nevcairiel | guess we're just different, but i can just go into a shop and buy any single bottle :p |
| 02:09.30 | Neffi | Ghetto delis sometimes do it, but they only offer the cheapest, shittiest beer out there |
| 02:09.40 | nevcairiel | if they have only 6-packs in the shelves, we would just open one and take the single bottle to the counter :P |
| 02:09.45 | Neffi | Shit like Steel Reserve, a beer brewed specifically for getting as fucked up as possible with as little cash as possible |
| 02:10.04 | Neffi | I'm psyched that I can now do that |
| 02:10.27 | Neffi | They don't have a wide selection of beers, but they have those three I named plus Heineken. That's good enough for me. |
| 02:11.30 | Neffi | Just to clarify, you guys in Germany can crack a beer and walk home drinking it? |
| 02:11.58 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 02:12.10 | nevcairiel | just not on public transport, but streets are fine |
| 02:12.12 | Neffi | I'm definitely moving out of the US by the time I'm 30 |
| 02:12.43 | Neffi | Doing that in NYC would be a night in the can, and potentially a charge of public intoxication |
| 02:13.13 | Neffi | Unless you're famous, then it's just a night in the can and a lot of publicity |
| 02:13.32 | nevcairiel | dont you get funny brown bags for that problem :P |
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| 02:14.41 | Neffi | Yeah, but it's still a likely trip to jail |
| 02:15.08 | Neffi | Bums get away with it, and it's all good if you live in a quiet neighborhood away from cops. |
| 02:15.42 | Neffi | But a 23 year old guy like myself, living in an area so commonly patrolled by undercovers, I'd be lucky if I got away with it |
| 02:16.06 | Neffi | They target early-20s people, because of the insane drug problem around here |
| 02:21.20 | jleclanche | jesus |
| 02:21.22 | jleclanche | gtk is so bad. |
| 02:21.34 | jleclanche | i am sick of this time wasting POS toolkit |
| 02:22.37 | airtonix | why are you using it? |
| 02:22.50 | jleclanche | I'm not |
| 02:22.58 | jleclanche | every time i encounter it it makes me waste time |
| 02:23.03 | jleclanche | because of bugs |
| 02:23.06 | jleclanche | because of URGH. |
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| 02:36.09 | Amarande | occasionally at work I encounter six-packs where people have mix-and-matched the bottles into other six-pack boxes :S |
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| 02:36.34 | Amarande | usually with things like Mike's Hard Lemonade and the such |
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| 02:46.18 | Neffi | A Guinness is a fine thing on a chilly night |
| 02:46.52 | Neffi | I can't figure out which I love more, a good beer or a good, strong cup of coffee |
| 02:48.42 | bleeter | http://thedoghousediaries.com/large/5414.png |
| 02:49.31 | Neffi | lol @ emporer penguins |
| 02:56.35 | Thunder_Child | It's situational |
| 02:59.46 | Gnarfoz | the 'not on public transport' thing is also a matter of which town you're in |
| 03:00.18 | Gnarfoz | I shouldn't have updated to this "knox" infested bootloader, /sigh |
| 03:00.21 | nevcairiel | i guess so, but its been spreading more and more |
| 03:04.24 | Stanzilla | go to bed, Gnarfoz |
| 03:05.42 | Amarande | ehh |
| 03:05.49 | Amarande | in New York, you really wouldn't want people drinking on public transit |
| 03:06.04 | Amarande | the subway trains can be chaotic enough when people are sober :p |
| 03:06.15 | Neffi | aye |
| 03:06.20 | Amarande | I still remember almost being eaten by an R train last year |
| 03:06.35 | Neffi | eaten by the R train? |
| 03:06.38 | Amarande | yeah |
| 03:06.44 | Neffi | how? |
| 03:06.57 | Amarande | I was trying to get off the R at ... think it was Lexington and 59 St to head towards the nice tarot card shop on E 53 St |
| 03:07.14 | Amarande | there was this lady in the way, and by the time she got out of the way and I was on my way out the subway, the door tried to shut on me :P |
| 03:07.36 | Neffi | I wonder if the tarot cards would've shown that >_> |
| 03:08.05 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: doing that right now |
| 03:08.29 | Neffi | I was actually surprised that you can buy a beer on the Staten Island ferry |
| 03:08.32 | Gnarfoz | just re-flashed the samsung fw again, bleh |
| 03:08.45 | Neffi | That's unusual in NY |
| 03:17.25 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: work today? |
| 03:17.29 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 03:17.33 | Stanzilla | at 7? |
| 03:17.40 | Gnarfoz | hell no |
| 03:17.45 | Stanzilla | 9? |
| 03:18.01 | Gnarfoz | officiall yes |
| 03:18.15 | Stanzilla | 3 hours of sleep then max |
| 03:18.16 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 03:18.16 | Gnarfoz | but I'll be there a bit later, as usual :p |
| 03:18.18 | Gnarfoz | yep |
| 03:19.01 | Stanzilla | I'm making pizza atm |
| 03:19.11 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
| 03:19.22 | Gnarfoz | there's no bad time for pizza, I guess |
| 03:19.26 | Stanzilla | indeed |
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| 03:19.31 | Stanzilla | also I slept for 3 hours already |
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| 03:19.42 | Gnarfoz | second time I ctrl+w'd a channel tonight |
| 03:19.50 | Stanzilla | also I slept for 3 hours already |
| 03:19.52 | Gnarfoz | time for turbo sleepz |
| 03:19.56 | Stanzilla | go bed |
| 03:19.57 | Stanzilla | cya |
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| 03:47.38 | Sintacks | throws things at pompy1 |
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| 04:32.03 | Neffi_ | wtf |
| 04:34.57 | Amarande | bleh I think I need a new suitcase |
| 04:35.10 | Amarande | this one is developing increasing issues with the zipper |
| 04:36.46 | Neffi_ | So I'm trying out Quassel and I closed the network/channel list. How the hell do I get it back? |
| 04:36.48 | Neffi_ | I can't find it |
| 04:37.13 | nevcairiel | View -> Chat Lists |
| 04:37.16 | nevcairiel | in the men u |
| 04:37.18 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 04:37.32 | Thunder_Child | Beat me to it nev |
| 04:38.26 | Neffi_ | So is there any way to get Quassel to assign colors to people, like HexChat does? |
| 04:38.52 | nevcairiel | in the settings, Interface -> Chat View, enable sender colors |
| 04:39.05 | nevcairiel | "Use Sender Coloring" its called |
| 04:39.22 | Neffi_ | I assumed it would apply retroactively |
| 04:39.31 | nevcairiel | if you restart the client, it will |
| 04:39.42 | nevcairiel | it doesnt re-render text though |
| 04:40.02 | Neffi | testing HexChat's own coloring |
| 04:40.18 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 04:40.19 | airtonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgoDDh4kE0 |
| 04:40.27 | Neffi_ | and Quassel's |
| 04:40.38 | airtonix | Fisker: ^ |
| 04:40.53 | Fisker | no airtonix |
| 04:41.07 | airtonix | Neffi_: scroll up and down.. colours applied. |
| 04:41.25 | Amarande | that or I am going to have to learn how to sew suitcase zippers |
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| 04:47.04 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.26 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.44 | nibordoohe | but the distance calculation gave me hugely varying answers and i'm sure i did it right |
| 04:48.08 | Neffi_ | Quassel is pretty nice. One other thing I'd like though. I prefer HexChat's style of playing the nicks/messages on either side of a line, instead of having nicks bracketed. Is this possible with Quassel? |
| 04:48.23 | pompy1 | Sintacks: why? |
| 04:48.52 | Neffi_ | nibordoohe: For starters, the map is rectangular, not square |
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| 04:49.01 | Neffi_ | nibordoohe: Look into Astrolabe |
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| 04:49.26 | nevcairiel | map coordinates dont map to distance linearly, because zone sizes change, while the map stays the same size |
| 04:49.32 | Neffi_ | Astrolabe is pretty widely used. You might find it useful. |
| 04:49.47 | pompy1 | libmapdata |
| 04:49.51 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.59 | nibordoohe | that's an addon Neffi? |
| 04:50.10 | Neffi | It's a library to be used by addons |
| 04:50.11 | nevcairiel | so you need to know the zone size to be able to calculate distance based on coordinates |
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| 04:50.23 | Neffi_ | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/astrolabe |
| 04:50.34 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.47 | Neffi_ | "Astrolabe also provides functions to compute the in-game distance between two points and translate a point from one zoom level of the map another. " |
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| 04:52.15 | Neffi_ | Might as well just base your implementation on Astrolabe, since it's maintained |
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| 04:52.31 | Semlar | who what did somebody mention the map |
| 04:52.35 | nevcairiel | well there comes the issue of x and y not having the same scale back into play |
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| 04:55.20 | Semlar | there's actually an api function that will turn the relative map position into global coordinates |
| 04:55.21 | Neffi | He responds quicker to "map" than to me =( |
| 04:55.25 | Neffi | Roxanne, you break my heart |
| 04:55.31 | Semlar | GOOD |
| 04:55.38 | Neffi | Q_Q |
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| 04:56.05 | Semlar | it's called GetWorldLocFromMapPos |
| 04:56.12 | Semlar | it takes the x and y from GetPlayerMapPosition |
| 04:56.13 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.22 | Semlar | and returns the instance ID, Y and X IN THAT ORDER |
| 04:56.31 | Semlar | very important |
| 04:56.56 | Neffi | Heh |
| 04:57.03 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.03 | nevcairiel | y,x? how crazy |
| 04:57.07 | Neffi | That would totally fuck me up if not documented |
| 04:57.17 | Semlar | yeah well |
| 04:57.33 | Semlar | it wasn't immediately obvious when i stumbled upon it either |
| 04:57.52 | Neffi | Based on your emphasis of "THAT ORDER", I'm guessing it got you headscratching for a good while |
| 04:57.53 | Semlar | i think it should work well enough if you're only comparing coordinates within the same zone |
| 04:58.22 | Semlar | it had some issues with transformed maps like the BC zones that appear in azeroth but i don't remember if that would be a problem here |
| 04:58.36 | Semlar | oh right and i don't think it worked at all with microdungeons |
| 04:58.39 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.41 | nibordoohe | *know |
| 04:58.42 | Semlar | since it was still based on the zone map |
| 04:59.08 | Semlar | i wrote a much more complicated function to convert any map coordinates to instance coordinates but astrolabe should do the same thing |
| 04:59.37 | Semlar | if you just want something really simple GetWorldLocFromMapPos should mostly work |
| 05:00.39 | Semlar | i have no idea what they even use it for since i don't think it's in the framexml at all |
| 05:01.36 | Semlar | oh also the coordinates it returns are basically yards so if you calculate the distance between two points it'll be real distance |
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| 05:03.41 | Amarande | Semlar: BC zones that appear in Azeroth, you mean like how QuestHelper used to think Bloodmyst was in Stormwind? :) |
| 05:03.51 | Semlar | probably |
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| 05:04.33 | Semlar | also the LibMapData library, as far as i know, is not necessary and all of the information can be obtained through the api |
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| 05:08.59 | Semlar | i need to add debuffs to my nameplates |
| 05:12.05 | Semlar | i might have to watch the combat log for some of that |
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| 05:24.10 | Neffi | More than likely |
| 05:24.20 | Neffi | Resolving shit like that on the nameplates is a bit of a bitch |
| 05:24.49 | Semlar | not sure how i should store the aura information |
| 05:25.05 | Semlar | probably [guid] = { [spellid] = expiration } or something |
| 05:25.14 | Neffi | I was about to say GUID-indexed table |
| 05:25.42 | Semlar | it'll have to purge itself though otherwise it'll have tons of entries |
| 05:26.01 | Neffi | Have a timer that decrements `expiration`? |
| 05:26.20 | Neffi | When the debuff runs out, or CLEU reports it fallen off, remove it |
| 05:26.20 | Semlar | i was thinking expiration would just be the time the aura expired |
| 05:26.49 | Neffi | Then you can have a timer compare it all to `now` |
| 05:26.53 | Semlar | yeah |
| 05:26.57 | Neffi | Both basically the same thing |
| 05:27.08 | Neffi | In fact, storing the time it expires is probably better |
| 05:27.20 | Semlar | wouldn't have to update it in the table |
| 05:27.25 | Neffi | yup |
| 05:27.57 | Semlar | i think the only thing i need to watch the combat log for is removing the auras |
| 05:27.58 | Neffi | The hardest part is always mapping nameplates<->GUID |
| 05:28.15 | Semlar | i should have a valid unit id for applications |
| 05:28.39 | Aeger73 | I'm having a strange issue using AceDB 3.0 only the first character to login is creating a profile |
| 05:28.39 | Neffi | Don't necessarily need a valid unit ID for this |
| 05:28.50 | Neffi | Just a reliable plate<->GUID mapping |
| 05:29.01 | Neffi | plate<->unitID mapping involves more code |
| 05:29.03 | Aeger73 | nothing else is saving to the db only the defaults ae working |
| 05:29.27 | Semlar | i still need the expiration time and i need the unit id for that to be accurate |
| 05:29.38 | Neffi | Ah yes you're right |
| 05:30.06 | Neffi | Your name is such a pretty hue of blue with my new Quassel config |
| 05:30.14 | Neffi | This is much nicer than HexChat honestly |
| 05:30.21 | Semlar | everyone's name is black |
| 05:30.44 | Semlar | i can't be bothered to use a real irc client |
| 05:30.46 | Neffi | Yours is an awesome pastel almost-cyan-but-also-almost-cobalt |
| 05:30.55 | Semlar | that's what i was going for |
| 05:31.23 | Neffi | I can tell |
| 05:31.35 | Neffi | I always imagined Roxanne to have a hot pink name |
| 05:31.37 | Neffi | But this fits |
| 05:31.42 | Neffi | ;) |
| 05:31.47 | Semlar | stop that |
| 05:31.51 | Neffi | lol ok |
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| 05:35.17 | Aeger73 | Neffi! if you get a chance can you look at www.aegerui.org/web/aegerUI.zip |
| 05:36.04 | Neffi | What about? |
| 05:36.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.45 | Aeger73 | aegerUIdb a AceDB 3.0 only defaults work |
| 05:37.00 | Aeger73 | and only the first character to login generates a profile |
| 05:37.07 | Neffi | Semlar: That's really awesome |
| 05:37.19 | Semlar | i think i'll put the debuffs under the names |
| 05:37.19 | Neffi | Very creative HP display |
| 05:38.26 | Neffi | Aeger73: Last time I played with Ace is in its 2.0 days. I have no idea how to properly interface AceDB or how it works. |
| 05:39.13 | Aeger73 | ahh okthanks though |
| 05:39.53 | Neffi | I really love those nameplates |
| 05:40.03 | Aeger73 | its really strange i split the DB stuff out of my install file and literally there is no change to the DB setup and it doesnt work this way' |
| 05:40.39 | Semlar | it's kind of hard to tell from this terrible quality screenshot but they have the role icons next to them too |
| 05:41.01 | Semlar | it makes it easier to see who's what |
| 05:41.15 | Neffi | Numberbars are achieved w/ textures? |
| 05:41.34 | Semlar | yeah each digit is two (actually 3) textures |
| 05:41.50 | Neffi | I would assume 4 |
| 05:42.08 | Neffi | Base texture for each letter + overlay bar which gets TexCoord'd |
| 05:42.29 | Neffi | Ah, each digit. My mistake. |
| 05:43.07 | Semlar | yeah in order to make the background of the number colored i used another digit texture behind the one getting cropped |
| 05:43.15 | Neffi | I think it suffers more than bar-style nameplates from overlap messiness though. Definitely need to use spreading or stacking anmeplates, IMO. |
| 05:44.39 | Semlar | if you want to see it in action i have a recording of spoils from the other night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT2x--wJBXI |
| 05:44.47 | Semlar | although that was before i changed the color scheme |
| 05:44.52 | Semlar | to match the text |
| 05:47.43 | Neffi | Beautiful |
| 05:48.26 | Semlar | i pretty much just stole the idea from an old unit frame addon that i thought would be interesting as nameplates |
| 05:50.06 | Semlar | i like having a nameplate for the player in the middle of the screen, it makes it easier to know when to panic |
| 05:51.19 | Neffi | That's why I like having unit frames in the center |
| 05:51.43 | Semlar | it would probably help to use a better ui |
| 05:54.04 | Semlar | i don't mind most of the default interface though |
| 05:54.20 | Neffi | You and me differ on that |
| 05:54.28 | Semlar | hate the nameplates |
| 05:55.00 | Neffi | I hate a lot of the default UI. The worst is the liberal use of eye-gouging yellow. But the poor positioning of elements doesn't help. |
| 05:55.36 | stuf | I have to agree, the UF being positioned in the top-left is a shitty idea |
| 05:55.39 | Semlar | what i don't like about this though is i can't change the clickable area of the nameplates so their interactive area is still pretty big |
| 05:56.10 | Neffi | It's been a while since I bothered, but you should be able to |
| 05:56.25 | Semlar | they're protected |
| 05:56.36 | Semlar | well, not only are they protected, they aren't even the part you click |
| 05:56.49 | Neffi | On a nameplate's OnShow (or when it first appears), IF you're in combat, add them to a queue. When combat ends, run over that queue and do the resizing. |
| 05:57.34 | Neffi | One of the actual regions represents the hitbox, IIRC |
| 05:57.43 | Neffi | But that very well could've changed |
| 05:57.56 | Semlar | i think it is somehow tied to the frame even though the frame doesn't interact with the mouse |
| 05:58.15 | Semlar | like, you click through the frame onto the game world and that's where it handles what to target |
| 05:58.29 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure I used to be able to change their hitbox by resizing the frame. This is before they changed the nameplate regions. |
| 05:58.45 | Neffi | Eg, changed how the nameplates are laid out w.r.t. frame parenting, etc |
| 05:59.12 | Semlar | you can probably resize them out of combat but that won't work for new ones created during the fight if they aren't all recycled |
| 05:59.30 | Semlar | assuming it doesn't change the size itself when they're shown again |
| 06:01.32 | Semlar | the hitbox is obnoxiously large though, i'll try resizing it and see how that works |
| 06:01.33 | Neffi | IME you can usually count on things getting reset when they're shown again |
| 06:01.42 | Neffi | You should probably always hook the OnShow to be safe |
| 06:02.11 | Semlar | if it resizes when it's shown again then i won't be able to do anything about it |
| 06:02.19 | Semlar | since i can't resize it in combat |
| 06:02.19 | Neffi | True |
| 06:02.37 | Neffi | But if you implement the out-of-combat resizing logic, at least some of them will be resized |
| 06:02.55 | Neffi | It'll reduce the messiness of clicking them, just not perfectly |
| 06:04.17 | Semlar | i kinda want to show instant casts on the nameplate too |
| 06:04.24 | Semlar | not just things with a cast time |
| 06:05.27 | Semlar | not sure how that should be displayed |
| 06:05.37 | Neffi | Spell icon quickly fades in, then semi-slowly fades out? |
| 06:05.43 | Neffi | Sort of like a noticeable pulse |
| 06:06.07 | Semlar | mebe |
| 06:06.20 | Neffi | Fade in over ~150 milliseconds, fade out over ~800-1000 ms |
| 06:06.40 | Neffi | Oh god this font raises the ~ to the top of the line |
| 06:07.02 | airtonix | mad? |
| 06:07.07 | Semlar | ~-~ |
| 06:07.09 | Neffi | Irritated |
| 06:08.12 | stuf | oldskool tildes, rage inducing |
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| 06:27.07 | airtonix | hiccups are rage inducing |
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| 06:31.16 | karl_w_w | no they aren't airtonix, you're just a ragey kinda guy |
| 06:32.02 | karl_w_w | rage used to be your middle name, until you changed it to toni |
| 06:32.21 | nevcairiel | airragex?? |
| 06:33.06 | airtonix | superhybrid is the new sharknado |
| 06:38.35 | Maldivia | hmm, according to the movember site "On average a man with a moustache touches it 760 times a day." -- that must have been fun research, watch men with mustaches all day to see when/if they touch |
| 06:39.35 | airtonix | so how much do you touch yourself? |
| 06:39.48 | airtonix | ohh only about 700 times a day |
| 06:40.48 | Maldivia | :) |
| 06:42.49 | Maldivia | but still, that's around once every 80 second on a 16 hour day (assuming touching yourself in your sleep isn't counted) |
| 06:43.09 | airtonix | lawl |
| 06:43.18 | airtonix | i know people that touch themselves in their sleep |
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| 06:44.56 | Maldivia | ehh sorry, 17h day |
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| 07:15.06 | Shirik | is anyone familiar with vbulletin? |
| 07:15.14 | Shirik | I'm curious if anyone has ever seen this behavior before |
| 07:15.18 | Shirik | I'm a moderator, sorta, on a forum |
| 07:15.26 | Shirik | by "sorta" I mean I have no idea what my permissions set is |
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| 07:15.54 | Shirik | I can see deleted threads, but I can't actually delete a thread. I can log into the mod control panel, but I can't search for users. But if I search by IP, I can find the user and look them up. |
| 07:16.05 | Shirik | Also, if I do a SEARCH on the forum, I can delete, move, whatever to threads |
| 07:16.13 | Shirik | even though if I go to that forum, I can't do any of those things |
| 07:18.30 | Mr_Rabies | `it's possible that each permission is manually settable by the admin and he's only marginally competent with the software |
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| 07:26.27 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: Maybe |
| 07:26.44 | Shirik | I mean, I'm part of a group, and I would have assumed you would just set the entire group's permissions |
| 07:26.47 | Shirik | though this only affects me |
| 07:26.56 | Shirik | but it's possible they aren't doing group permissions |
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| 07:48.59 | karl_w_w | i love this hearthstone arena deck |
| 07:49.13 | karl_w_w | 24 cards that cost 3 or less, and deathwing |
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| 08:04.15 | karl_w_w | 9-1 |
| 08:04.19 | karl_w_w | hell yeses |
| 08:04.58 | karl_w_w | only 180 gold lol |
| 08:28.38 | bleeter | http://imgur.com/gallery/AhWrnN4 |
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| 08:47.39 | karl_w_w | lfm oceanic alliance ordos |
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| 12:36.55 | karl_w_w | http://imgur.com/gallery/sX2AVO3 lol that 3rd comment |
| 12:38.06 | Kalroth | maybe it'll be better once we're more equal, karl_w_w! |
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| 12:47.36 | Fisker | watch out for Lopeppeppy |
| 12:48.05 | Fisker | gets out the fire extinguisher |
| 12:50.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm on fire again? Damn it. |
| 12:51.42 | Kalroth | rolls Lopeppeppy and hits her with his shirt |
| 12:51.49 | Fisker | nah Lopeppeppy |
| 12:52.41 | Fisker | I was just afraid recent events might've made your temper similar in color to your hair |
| 12:54.12 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, what did I miss over the weekend then? |
| 12:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | I was asleep for most of it with a bad cold, so just call me Captain Oblivious. |
| 12:54.44 | Fisker | nothin' then |
| 12:55.26 | Fisker | I've surely done it now |
| 12:55.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nothin' doing, spill the beans. |
| 12:55.32 | Fisker | I must escape while I still can |
| 12:55.49 | Fisker | Oh I just heard something regarding football |
| 12:56.16 | Fisker | I'm trying to escape the lavatory on the plane by climbing out the window |
| 12:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, dude. Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. I'm not one of the "modern football fans" who thinks someone should be fired for every game lost. |
| 12:57.45 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.57 | Fisker | tries to escape from the jet engine |
| 12:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | This is the year the Patriots are going nowhere because of their injury roster. They've lost two team captains already, and running rookies for first string. So play their hearts out this year, and next year they'll have more depth to work with, and better-trained backups. |
| 13:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | Just thank god it's not Tebow, that's all I've got to say. |
| 13:00.53 | Fisker | You should've seen my favorite soccerteam :( |
| 13:01.01 | Fisker | Totally got messed up like 10 years ago |
| 13:01.10 | Fisker | Almost went bankrupt |
| 13:02.42 | Fisker | the amount of servers I have open on this desktop is too damn high |
| 13:13.41 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/qg6gra8 |
| 13:18.12 | Lopeppeppy | Derp. Here is a text document. Post it to the interwebs. God I hate users. |
| 13:23.06 | Fisker | get told you need to help your grandparents install antivirus |
| 13:23.14 | Fisker | See 5 different AV's installed when you get there |
| 13:24.03 | Fisker | also |
| 13:24.12 | Fisker | Aunt says her internet is slow |
| 13:24.24 | Fisker | pathping reveals 75% packet loss on router, 0% directly to modem |
| 13:24.31 | Fisker | replace router by plugging in the cable |
| 13:24.34 | Fisker | 100€ richer |
| 13:24.36 | Fisker | boom |
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| 13:41.39 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, save me from the stupids! |
| 13:42.53 | Fisker | I could've saved you |
| 13:43.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, but alestane needs a turn too. |
| 13:44.33 | alestane | carpet-bombs the sheeple with hardbound copies of "HTML for Dummies." |
| 13:44.53 | Kalroth | fisker saving anyone from the stupids?!1 |
| 13:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaay! |
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| 13:47.06 | Fisker | yes Kalroth |
| 13:47.19 | Fisker | That doesn't make them less stupid alestane :( |
| 13:47.30 | Fisker | now they just also put out geocities level html sites |
| 13:47.32 | alestane | It saves Peppy from them. |
| 13:47.40 | Fisker | not if she visits the internet |
| 13:47.49 | alestane | If they can get out from under all the books, maybe. |
| 13:48.21 | Fisker | I can finally sleep knowing that the next java update won't screw me over |
| 13:48.29 | Fisker | like all those preceding it |
| 13:48.36 | alestane | Oh? Have they discontinued support for Java? |
| 13:48.53 | Fisker | nope |
| 13:48.56 | Lopeppeppy | alestane! |
| 13:49.08 | alestane | Peppy! |
| 13:49.12 | Fisker | But they finally let us get rid of the stupid "Please update java now"-nagscreen |
| 13:49.21 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, last week's Java update screwed me hard. I'm still trying to fix all the sheeple it borked. |
| 13:49.23 | Fisker | Same Lopeppeppy |
| 13:49.44 | Fisker | It triggered the update nagscreen which usually breaks everything |
| 13:49.59 | Fisker | the best part was that I couldn't update because the update broke the only work related thing we use it for |
| 13:50.12 | Fisker | So a lot of reinstalls last week |
| 13:50.13 | Fisker | wee |
| 13:50.15 | Lopeppeppy | Now they get "you are in an insecure site. OMG do you want to continue, because that will blow up your computer!!!" and they click no and then can't do anything. |
| 13:50.28 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 13:50.30 | Fisker | Really annoying |
| 13:50.42 | Fisker | But if you uninstall and reinstall it's fine for a day or two |
| 13:50.48 | Fisker | Until it starts again |
| 13:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | It's an internal application. Really. read the URL and click "yes" sometimes.... |
| 13:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | But I guess I'd rather they click "no" and call me, than install some malware by clicking yes. |
| 13:52.06 | Fisker | :P |
| 13:52.40 | Fisker | I'm just mad I had to spend 3 days of support hell for no reason |
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| 13:53.02 | Fisker | If the update actually worked for us I could've rolled it out before it became an issue |
| 13:53.24 | Fisker | curse you nem id |
| 13:53.39 | Fisker | Some government single sign on system |
| 13:53.43 | Fisker | based on java :( |
| 13:54.24 | Lopeppeppy | Out photo gallery creation runs on java - so either they update their java or don't create galleries, I don't care which. |
| 13:54.39 | Lopeppeppy | Photo galleries are not essential to life, thankfully. |
| 13:55.42 | Fisker | hehe no :P |
| 13:58.58 | Fisker | yay after 10000 years I'm free |
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| 14:05.57 | zenzio | Fisker: well whatever you do, don't just go sit around in Black Temple |
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| 14:38.53 | Unkle | zombie-shambles in |
| 14:39.25 | TC-Work | offers Unkle caffeinated brains. |
| 14:39.40 | Unkle | braaaaaaaaaaaaains |
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| 14:41.24 | karl_w_w | dammit, always getting the riff raff in here |
| 14:42.37 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. DayQuil braaaains. |
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| 14:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | My eyeballs are so dry I think they are cheese balls. |
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| 14:57.19 | karl_w_w | yummmmm Lopeppeppy's eyeballs |
| 14:57.28 | Lopeppeppy | Want some triscuits too? |
| 14:57.50 | karl_w_w | I don't know, for several reasons |
| 14:57.59 | karl_w_w | primarily because I have never heard of them |
| 14:59.23 | karl_w_w | google enlightens me to a "no" |
| 15:00.12 | Fisker | nah zenzio |
| 15:00.17 | Fisker | black temple has nothing on mars |
| 15:00.32 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkpS2Sdu2io |
| 15:00.44 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: Supposedly they go swell with spray cheese. |
| 15:01.02 | karl_w_w | which is not widely available here |
| 15:01.17 | karl_w_w | http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-359315/ they finally made an actual improvement to facebook |
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| 15:02.04 | karl_w_w | woo power rangers |
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| 15:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | triscuits? With cheese? http://brands.nabisco.com/Triscuit/ |
| 15:05.07 | TC-Work | Heh, my boss sent out an email saying "going to stay home today to ward off this cold.... Will be checking email...." And then in a personal email to me he said "I blame you" That makes me so happy. |
| 15:05.11 | karl_w_w | yes I believe we have an equivalent called vita-wheat |
| 15:05.16 | karl_w_w | they are not very good |
| 15:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | These are a bit like Wheetabix squished down small. But with cheese on top, nom. |
| 15:05.46 | Lopeppeppy | TC, the plague vector. |
| 15:05.54 | Unkle | served with french onion dip. |
| 15:06.13 | TC-Work | Yes, I am served with a french onion dip |
| 15:08.58 | adys | http://piracydata.org/ |
| 15:08.58 | adys | heh |
| 15:10.05 | Unkle | pirates adys' data |
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| 15:13.59 | TC-Work | Not sure you want that much porn Unkle. |
| 15:14.04 | TC-Work | Or of that type |
| 15:14.30 | Unkle | ... fair point. |
| 15:15.25 | Unkle | If that chart is right, it implies that digital rental/purchase availability does not necessarily reduce piracy. |
| 15:17.05 | nevcairiel | that chart has really no usable point |
| 15:18.27 | TC-Work | You also have to know where to get it from. I just did a quick search and I can't find a place to digitally download it. The box comes with an ultraviolet code, but that's all I see. |
| 15:18.40 | TC-Work | If it is too hard, people are not going to bother. |
| 15:19.07 | TC-Work | For Pacific Rim that is |
| 15:19.49 | Unkle | I used the word "implied" advisedly. |
| 15:20.31 | TC-Work | That chart is helpful though. I missed some of them to download. |
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| 15:22.23 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:25.24 | Unkle | *sigh* New scanner arrives, USB cable is 2' too short. |
| 15:27.46 | TC-Work | That seems like a surmountable problem. |
| 15:28.47 | Unkle | Yes, quick trip to Amazon. |
| 15:41.35 | TC-Work | Amazon is never a quick trip. |
| 15:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | 2 feet? That's epic. |
| 15:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | 2" would be hilarious though. In an evil peppy way. |
| 15:43.13 | TC-Work | I assume this is not in a dirty sense. |
| 15:43.27 | TC-Work | Because it applies that way as well. |
| 15:43.31 | Unkle | The user needs the device placed at a spot that requires 8' of cable, the device ships with 6'. |
| 15:44.21 | Lopeppeppy | If he's got 2 feet of cable in a dirty sense I donwannaknow. |
| 15:44.23 | Unkle | Really, I should have just measured the distance and ordered a cable at the same time as the scanner ... except ... I didn't order the scanner, my boss did! |
| 15:45.10 | Lopeppeppy | eeew to non-IT ordering IT equipment. |
| 15:45.41 | Unkle | He decides he wants something, and just does. It's his company, his money.... *shrug* |
| 15:45.51 | Unkle | He does usually consult me for research though. |
| 15:46.56 | TC-Work | Why are you living space hunting, weren't you staying at cogs old place? |
| 15:47.53 | Unkle | I still am. But I need to find smaller, less costly digs. It has to do with having an aging mother in another state who needs additional support from me. My finances are stretched very, very, very thin. |
| 15:49.50 | Fisker | once Lopeppeppy |
| 15:49.59 | TC-Work | Ah, that reversal. Something I will never have to deal with, for better or worse. |
| 15:50.03 | Fisker | I saw someone buying a HDMI->DVI adapter and a DVI->VGA adapter |
| 15:50.29 | karl_w_w | people still buy scanners? |
| 15:50.29 | Fisker | I almost had to revoke their computer capabilities for that transgression |
| 15:50.50 | Unkle | TC-Work: :( |
| 15:51.07 | zenzelezz | so, TotalBiscuit's "The Day One: Garry's Incident Incident" video is 25k views short of a million. I suspect someone is regretting pushing the copyright button |
| 15:51.22 | TC-Work | Unkle: Well, as you pointed out, it has its benefits as well. |
| 15:51.32 | Unkle | karl_w_w: Yes. They have many uses. We have a lot of paper-based items that need digital copies. |
| 15:52.24 | Fisker | yep zenzelezz :( |
| 15:52.30 | TC-Work | There is a requirement here for the county to go paperless by 2014, it is amusing me. |
| 15:52.31 | Unkle | TC-Work: Yeah, lots of complex 'feels' about that. The frowny face was the best way I could articulate them. |
| 15:52.34 | karl_w_w | most offices have a big fancy printer/scanner/photocopier, and everyone else has a multifunction |
| 15:52.37 | Fisker | thanks for potentially cementing TB's career |
| 15:52.56 | Fisker | why does it amuse you TC-Work ? |
| 15:53.04 | karl_w_w | you don't like mr biscuit, Fisker? |
| 15:53.08 | Unkle | karl_w_w: We have a large multi-function, but this is a much higher quality film scanner. |
| 15:53.16 | karl_w_w | i see |
| 15:53.39 | Fisker | my dislike for his person is not relevant karl_w_w |
| 15:54.01 | TC-Work | Fisker: Because most people do not have computer skills. |
| 15:54.30 | Fisker | Sure |
| 15:54.43 | Fisker | Isn't that natural selection though? |
| 15:54.51 | TC-Work | Hardly |
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| 15:56.25 | Fisker | Unnatural selection atleast? |
| 15:58.03 | bluspacecow | *nbbles on Fisker* |
| 15:58.15 | Fisker | why bluspacecow ? |
| 15:58.22 | bluspacecow | u so nommy |
| 15:59.53 | Fisker | ok |
| 16:01.35 | Fisker | Can I nom you? |
| 16:02.39 | TC-Work | Get a room you two. |
| 16:04.14 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 16:04.21 | bluspacecow | |---------------------------------------------------| |
| 16:04.27 | bluspacecow | | | |
| 16:04.33 | bluspacecow | im making a room |
| 16:04.48 | Fisker | good |
| 16:06.49 | TC-Work | Get a channel you two. |
| 16:08.43 | Fisker | we already got one |
| 16:14.41 | Shirik | um |
| 16:14.44 | TC-Work | A Private one so I stop vomiting |
| 16:14.56 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/610964f87afdb1706a0692aeba709c64 |
| 16:14.59 | Shirik | it didn't work well |
| 16:15.26 | TC-Work | Shirik: The whitespace worked fine in my client |
| 16:17.33 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfgoDDh4kE0 |
| 16:17.48 | Fisker | this channel is private TC-Work |
| 16:17.48 | Shirik | TC-Work: My client strips extraneous whitespace |
| 16:17.51 | Fisker | snuggles bluspacecow |
| 16:18.06 | bluspacecow | shhhh |
| 16:18.12 | bluspacecow | Tc-work might get jelly |
| 16:18.18 | Fisker | nah |
| 16:18.18 | TC-Work | Shirik: Except it was not extraneous whitespace. |
| 16:18.25 | Shirik | in its mind it was |
| 16:18.32 | TC-Work | Which makes it wrong |
| 16:18.45 | TC-Work | bluspacecow: I might vomit jelly.... |
| 16:18.58 | bluspacecow | so jelly |
| 16:19.28 | TC-Work | Though it would be more like mush I suppose |
| 16:21.23 | Fisker | hold bluspacecow and sticks his tongue down his mouth |
| 16:21.26 | Fisker | holds* |
| 16:21.48 | bluspacecow | giggity |
| 16:22.44 | TC-Work | Awww man, I just got over being sick. |
| 16:23.13 | Fisker | too bad |
| 16:23.25 | Ackis | ffs I'm getting 16kb/s on the internal network |
| 16:23.33 | Unkle | So, how about that sportsball team? |
| 16:25.17 | TC-Work | Sportsist, not all sports use balls. |
| 16:29.10 | Ackis | Fisker: do you know how I can unpatch a game on steam? |
| 16:30.04 | Fisker | Yes Ackis |
| 16:30.10 | Fisker | Turn back time and go into offline mode |
| 16:30.43 | Ackis | Fisker: can you help me with the turn back time? |
| 16:30.51 | Fisker | Nope |
| 16:31.20 | Fisker | Unfortunately i dropped the title of the doctor |
| 16:31.26 | TC-Work | Ackis: You are not supposed to, that's kinda to point of steam. |
| 16:31.52 | Ackis | TC-Work: I want to unpatch Batman: AA GotY and Bioshock 2 so I can still play the GFWL versions |
| 16:32.20 | Fisker | haha no you don't |
| 16:32.30 | Fisker | Why would anyone do that! |
| 16:32.45 | Fisker | Why not just pirate them? |
| 16:34.03 | Ackis | Xbox achievements my good sir |
| 16:34.19 | Fisker | Play xbox games for xbox achievements |
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| 16:56.04 | Ackis | dafuq |
| 16:56.26 | Ackis | I just got a task list assigned to me which includes two custom SharePoint sites and about 10 other items all due Nov 4th |
| 16:57.04 | Shirik | anyone here have easy access to web browsing over tor? |
| 16:57.19 | haste | can't you just download torbrowser or something? |
| 16:57.36 | Shirik | I just had a one-off request I kinda didn't want to download just for that :P |
| 16:57.44 | Ackis | haste: only if you want the NSA spying on you! |
| 17:00.54 | Fisker | wow jnwhiteh |
| 17:01.00 | Fisker | you can stalk people in sweden pretty badly |
| 17:01.08 | Fisker | Who came up with this shit? |
| 17:01.16 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: the NSA is already spying on you, moot poing |
| 17:01.23 | Gnarfoz | s/ng/nt/ |
| 17:01.27 | Gnarfoz | YES |
| 17:01.35 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:01.41 | Ackis | I'm tempted to go all Jack Reacher |
| 17:01.50 | Fisker | reacharound? |
| 17:01.57 | Gnarfoz | he's converting to Scientology |
| 17:05.32 | TC-Work | Ackis: You have two weeks, why is that a problem? |
| 17:06.00 | Ackis | TC-Work: because the platform I'm developing it on won't be in production for 3 weeks |
| 17:06.32 | TC-Work | Did it say it needed to be live in 2 weeks, or just done? |
| 17:06.40 | TC-Work | XD |
| 17:06.58 | Ackis | live |
| 17:07.12 | TC-Work | Is there no current platform? |
| 17:07.36 | Ackis | 2007 is the current platform, but I'll be using 2010 specific features |
| 17:10.28 | TC-Work | Well, code for both |
| 17:12.02 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 17:12.05 | Fisker | you're awesome |
| 17:12.10 | haste | thanks Fisker ! |
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| 17:47.44 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqc0UMwNKmg |
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| 17:50.55 | Neffi | lol pretty good |
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| 17:56.49 | Aeger73 | anyone have an idea why this minimap mod http://pastebin.com/MQwVMkvB makes my SavedVariables stop working for a AceDB3.0 |
| 17:57.29 | Aeger73 | everything is local I'm stumped. If I comment it out in my TOC everything works fine |
| 17:59.50 | Torhal | Aeger73: Is private.addon_name assigned before that file is loaded? |
| 17:59.54 | Torhal | If not, that'd be why. |
| 18:00.02 | Aeger73 | yes |
| 18:00.33 | Aeger73 | i even commented it out since its not using any of those |
| 18:01.48 | Torhal | I don't see anything in that code that should be affecting it. |
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| 18:03.25 | Aeger73_ | www.aegerui.org/web/Interface.zip |
| 18:03.38 | Aeger73_ | is the whole ui if that helps |
| 18:04.26 | Aeger73_ | I switched over my namespaces to how you do it in ARL yesterday Torhal. Fixed a couple of issues I had with registering options in the GUI |
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| 18:05.08 | Torhal | Aeger73: I thought "FOLDER_NAME, private = ..." was awfully familiar :D |
| 18:06.41 | Torhal | I'm actually at the office, so can't really troubleshoot much. |
| 18:07.24 | Aeger73_ | its cool, if you do end up installing that download i forgot to remove chinchilla so disable that |
| 18:07.32 | Unkle | Wait, Torhal goes to the OFFICE? I thought they just plugged his brain into a linux box via Cat6 and feed him through pellets. |
| 18:07.47 | kd3 | he goes to the office. I saw him there once |
| 18:08.10 | Torhal | I thought kd3 was coming into the fold, but no; he just visited. |
| 18:08.31 | Unkle | Wait, you mean Curse isn't the Borg? |
| 18:08.54 | Torhal | peers uncertainly at Unkle. |
| 18:09.28 | Unkle | Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. We will add your uniqueness to our own. |
| 18:09.53 | Torhal | puts in a PO for Unkle's company. |
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| 18:11.06 | Aeger73 | hmm acidentally launching Quassel a 2nd time really screws with windows |
| 18:13.13 | Stanzilla | http://www.ghacks.net/2013/10/20/mozilla-considers-switching-9-week-release-schedule/ haha |
| 18:18.29 | Aeger73 | hmm, i made that minimap mod its own addon and commented out the toc for it in my UI. everything works together when its not included in my main ui addon |
| 18:18.33 | haste | for some reason I read 2 week release schedule |
| 18:19.07 | Aeger73 | I guess it doesnt want to be a module in my UI heh |
| 18:20.47 | airtonix | Aeger73: are you using quassel-client with quassel-core? or just standalone quassle? |
| 18:21.27 | Neffi | Launching standalone a 2nd time here doesn't give me any trouble or oddities |
| 18:21.44 | Aeger73 | the client |
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| 18:22.13 | Neffi | By the way, which of these options relates to scrollback history? I see options for backlogging. Is that tied into the size of the scrollback buffer? |
| 18:22.40 | Aeger73 | i think my keyboard was stuck sending characters at the same time it bugged out when I swicthed PCs on my KVM |
| 18:22.44 | Aeger73 | its all good now |
| 18:23.08 | airtonix | Neffi: you should have a section called backlog fetching |
| 18:23.47 | Neffi | I didn't understand what they meant by initial/dynamic |
| 18:23.56 | Neffi | I increased both considerably, but I didnt know what I was changing |
| 18:24.32 | airtonix | Neffi: i assumed dynamic meant 200 lines every time you touch the boundary of your existing backlog |
| 18:24.44 | Fisker | hey tharper |
| 18:24.50 | airtonix | and initial as in how much to pull in when you connect |
| 18:24.55 | Fisker | you guys are easy to stalk |
| 18:25.26 | Neffi | I hope Quassel can handle values in the tens of thousands. |
| 18:25.45 | TC-Work | Quassel can, can your system? |
| 18:26.21 | Fisker | I have it set to 20k |
| 18:26.24 | Neffi | I mean I wonder how efficient it is at memory consumption. I've got 6 GiB of RAM, and the most intensive thing I run next to Quassel is Skyrim, which won't go above ~3. |
| 18:26.30 | Fisker | not initial though |
| 18:27.46 | airtonix | mine is at 500 per channel, and i'm in about 20 channels. |
| 18:28.06 | airtonix | then 200 dynamic |
| 18:28.13 | airtonix | i think that's the defaults |
| 18:29.00 | Neffi | I think 200/200 is the default |
| 18:30.15 | airtonix | but then again i have my core on a i7 with 16gb of ram |
| 18:30.36 | airtonix | the client sits on a core2duo with 4gb |
| 18:30.39 | Neffi | The client/core feature is nice. Gives me more incentive to build an always-on ITX box. But I can't seem to find any way to write plugins/scripts. |
| 18:31.01 | airtonix | perhaps you might like smuxi if you can stomach putting mono on a server |
| 18:31.28 | airtonix | smuxi has a client/server setup too and has a greater degree of customisability |
| 18:31.46 | airtonix | but yeah mono :< |
| 18:31.54 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:32.20 | Neffi | I'm very happy with Quassel. I never honestly used the scripting functionality of (He)XChat. I was just curious that I couldn't find it. |
| 18:32.45 | Neffi | And I can't see if Smuxi is using GTK, but I hate GTK apps on Windows |
| 18:32.47 | airtonix | you can create qss stylesheets for quassel (or any kde application really) |
| 18:33.06 | Neffi | HexChat and Gimp have never been much of a pleasure to use, because of UI quirks and inconsistencies. |
| 18:33.06 | airtonix | not sure if that works on windows though |
| 18:33.22 | Neffi | It has a stylesheet loading option, so I believe it does |
| 18:33.24 | airtonix | gtk is shit on anything that isn't gnome-shell |
| 18:33.47 | airtonix | even then it's shit to code for |
| 18:33.52 | Neffi | Not being GTK was enough of a reason to move from HexChat, but Quassel is honestly much nicer regardless |
| 18:34.35 | Neffi | You wouldn't even know it's not written for Windows, except that it generally has the feel of being "good" that a lot of Windows apps lack |
| 18:34.54 | TC-Work | The consensus seems to be Quassel is one of the better clients. |
| 18:35.04 | Neffi | I agree so far |
| 18:35.04 | airtonix | well it's QT, so it adopts the window managers appearance. |
| 18:35.24 | airtonix | at least it's supposed to |
| 18:35.29 | Neffi | I didn't think it did that good of a job. |
| 18:36.03 | Neffi | The only thing I've seen do a better job is wxWidgets. And I say that because the apps I use that run on wxWidgets, I'd always assumed were Windows native apps until I found out. |
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| 18:48.12 | karl_w_w | i died airtonix |
| 18:48.37 | karl_w_w | the crusaders of the lord assassinated me because I abolished teaching of creationism in science classes |
| 18:49.25 | karl_w_w | I'm ok with being a martyr |
| 18:51.41 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en5hWeodMws lol |
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| 18:53.34 | Unkle | http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2013/godzilla-fuck-this/ |
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| 20:01.18 | airtonix | jleclanche: http://imgur.com/7qAkN3U :< |
| 20:01.34 | jleclanche | airtonix: use mediacru.shj |
| 20:01.36 | jleclanche | sh* |
| 20:01.51 | airtonix | why? |
| 20:02.09 | jleclanche | https, open source, etc |
| 20:02.50 | airtonix | ok but i was trying to point at a bug with chrome |
| 20:03.41 | jleclanche | yeah i used to have it |
| 20:03.48 | jleclanche | airtonix: did you recently upgrade chrome and didnt restart? |
| 20:03.56 | airtonix | nope |
| 20:04.23 | jleclanche | cant help then |
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| 20:08.42 | Neffi | Anyone recommend an 8 |
| 20:08.45 | Neffi | fuck |
| 20:08.59 | Neffi | Anyone recommend an 8+ GB flash drive for under $10 that isn't gonna die on me? |
| 20:09.37 | TC-Work | No one can guaranty it will not die. |
| 20:10.05 | Neffi | Newegg seems overrun with generic brands that I don't trust. The good stuff have shipping costs higher than the units themselves. |
| 20:11.08 | airtonix | phew, vagrant supports ansible |
| 20:11.08 | TC-Work | If you have amazon prime, then you can find known brand names for sub 10 |
| 20:11.18 | TC-Work | with free shipping |
| 20:11.20 | airtonix | my life just became immeasurably easier |
| 20:11.43 | airtonix | fuck chef and fuck ruby |
| 20:11.49 | Neffi | I don't have Amazon Prime. But I didn't think to check Amazon. |
| 20:11.57 | airtonix | flips tables |
| 20:12.06 | Neffi | They probably offer a better deal here and there on this type of stuff |
| 20:13.23 | TC-Work | How is Vagrant better than a preset image? |
| 20:13.32 | TC-Work | disk image* |
| 20:13.44 | airtonix | you're asking the wrong question |
| 20:14.18 | TC-Work | Oh, and in your opnion what is the correct question? |
| 20:14.27 | TC-Work | opinion* |
| 20:14.28 | airtonix | i'm not even sure that should be a question |
| 20:14.47 | airtonix | but i'm not sure if you've used vagrant? |
| 20:14.52 | TC-Work | Nope |
| 20:14.55 | airtonix | ah ok |
| 20:15.31 | airtonix | well at the moment i'm using vagrant to speed up the testing of my infrstructure configuration deployment |
| 20:15.46 | airtonix | i define three boxes: app, db, loadbalancer |
| 20:15.54 | airtonix | then $ vagrant up |
| 20:16.09 | airtonix | and it creates three headless virtualbox machines |
| 20:16.27 | airtonix | and because i point the vagrant config at my ansible playbooks |
| 20:16.36 | Neffi | Oh Newegg comments |
| 20:16.39 | airtonix | it'll run the various configurations for each machine |
| 20:16.45 | Neffi | "Beware, only 14.4 GB, not 16 GB. SCAM" |
| 20:17.08 | airtonix | TC-Work: so, i could say, spool up 1 load balancher, 20 app servers, and 1 massive db server. |
| 20:17.22 | airtonix | TC-Work: and test that my ansible playbook is nice. |
| 20:18.22 | airtonix | i've already been working on my ansible playbook for a django application, but i've been using my home server. then i discovered vagrant in the process of looking at amazons opsworks. |
| 20:19.03 | TC-Work | That doesn't seem faster than images though. Since you have to install the os, then run that |
| 20:19.10 | airtonix | vagrant does all that for you |
| 20:19.18 | airtonix | it takes about 20-60sec per machine |
| 20:19.47 | TC-Work | it takes 20-60sec to download and install all of the software? |
| 20:20.17 | airtonix | well first thing that happens is vagrant downloads the box file (a package containing a virtualbox image) |
| 20:20.26 | airtonix | then it reuses that for each machine |
| 20:20.41 | airtonix | so initial spooling of a machine is about 20-60secs |
| 20:20.54 | airtonix | then what ever your cookbook does is up to you |
| 20:21.01 | TC-Work | ah, ok. That assumes you are using vms |
| 20:21.06 | airtonix | but reprovisioning is much faster |
| 20:21.39 | airtonix | vagrant is a tool for testing |
| 20:21.43 | airtonix | not deployment |
| 20:21.59 | Neffi | Hmm. SanDisk or Kingston? |
| 20:22.02 | airtonix | i just happen to be using it to test deployment |
| 20:23.19 | airtonix | looks like i could end up installing my own nagios monitoring/auto scaling |
| 20:23.43 | airtonix | https://speakerdeck.com/yeukhon/deploying-with-vagrant-and-ansible |
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| 20:27.32 | Neffi | Oh Newegg. |
| 20:27.36 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.59 | Neffi | Cost: $4. Shipping @ 3-5 day standard: $6. BUT WAIT, pay this other company monthly and we'll ship it for free. |
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| 20:40.12 | Shirik | TIL microseconds are not milliseconds |
| 20:41.02 | kd3 | by a few orders of magnitude |
| 20:59.46 | Gnarfoz | about 3 |
| 21:05.12 | Sintacks | Mon 21st |12:48:20 am| #wowuidev [pompy1] Sintacks: why? |
| 21:05.19 | Sintacks | cuz fix prat |
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| 21:32.13 | Neffi | lol? So did Opera give up on Linux post-v12? |
| 21:34.32 | airtonix | Neffi: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQwMTY |
| 21:34.51 | airtonix | no point to using opera anymore |
| 21:35.48 | Neffi | I was interested in the feasability of a non-GTK desktop setup. It seems like all the best browsers are GTK. |
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| 21:41.28 | Stanzilla | wait for chrome 33 |
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| 21:41.40 | fewyn | anyone in here have a 3DS? I need more friend codes! 2766-8719-9893 |
| 21:42.29 | Neffi | Stanzilla: Why's that? |
| 21:42.43 | Stanzilla | Neffi: will probably be on Aura, their own WM |
| 21:42.45 | airtonix | yep you can have all my codes! 34234-2344-4234-3444, 33334-5544-2334-3444, 34234-12124-4111-3224, |
| 21:42.58 | airtonix | totally legit! |
| 21:44.05 | Neffi | So I'm guessing they're gonna moving Blink (their Webkit) over to Aura and abolishing any dependencies on outside toolkits? |
| 21:45.27 | Ackis | fewyn: pokemon safari? |
| 21:45.37 | fewyn | yes i need more safaris |
| 21:45.39 | fewyn | =p |
| 21:46.11 | Ackis | fewyn: I'm ice: 1032-1554-8694 |
| 21:48.22 | fewyn | sweet |
| 21:48.25 | fewyn | i'll add you in a second |
| 21:59.42 | Ackis | fewyn: I'll need your code to add you so it goes through |
| 22:00.10 | airtonix | said the nigerian prince |
| 22:00.18 | fewyn | 2766-8719-9893 |
| 22:00.37 | Ackis | I'll add it when/if I get home from work |
| 22:00.41 | fewyn | kk |
| 22:02.21 | TC-Work | cogwheel: you still have that minecraft server? |
| 22:02.41 | cogwheel | TC-Work: #cograil (Iriel runs it now) |
| 22:03.26 | TC-Work | I wonder if he would put https://plus.google.com/+QuantumAILab/posts/grMbaaDGChH on it |
| 22:05.35 | Iriel | Not really, until there's a stable official mod thing it's just too hard to keep those parts in sync. |
| 22:06.09 | TC-Work | hmm, I totally missed you being in the channel. |
| 22:07.41 | airtonix | i've been happily using https://github.com/marcuswhybrow/minecraft-server-manager |
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| 22:27.14 | Iriel | TC-Work: I forgot to log out last night, so it's only really happy accident i'm still here 8-) |
| 22:28.39 | Iriel | airtonix: My concern is keeping clients and server in sync, and not breaking when mojang patch. |
| 22:28.50 | Iriel | Actually applying patches isn't particularly difficult. |
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| 22:33.57 | Cairenn | Anyone have a favourite browser window rss feed reader to recommend? (free preferably) |
| 22:34.31 | TC-Work | Iriel: Ah, I was wondering. |
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| 22:43.33 | VIad | Ugh, I thought the attitude was bad if I spoke about php in a good way here - but then I was in another channel and talked about compilers/interpreters and some people started to curse and rage. |
| 22:44.41 | TC-Work | "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks." |
| 22:45.12 | VIad | I see that most here might not agree with everything others say, but they don't make a scene out of it at least. |
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| 22:45.30 | TC-Work | Depends on the user and what is being talked about I suppose. |
| 22:45.46 | TC-Work | Everyone has their triggers. |
| 22:45.47 | VIad | I asked about compiled and interpreted source code. |
| 22:46.34 | VIad | Made the statement that python was interpreted, since it runs the code trough the interpreter software to run it, rather than compiling it to machine code first. |
| 22:46.56 | TC-Work | isnt that what .pyc is? |
| 22:47.41 | VIad | Yeah, but, why can't you run .pyc as a executable? |
| 22:48.26 | VIad | You still need python to read the pyc and run it for you. I dunno, I just always figured that truly compiled code doesn't require the compiler to be installed on the system you wish to run it at. |
| 22:48.44 | Iriel | I was under the impression that .pyc was bytecode |
| 22:48.53 | Iriel | Just the same way .class is java bytecode for a JVM |
| 22:49.03 | Iriel | You still need to fire up your virtual machine. |
| 22:49.04 | VIad | So it's compiled right? |
| 22:49.11 | Iriel | Byte-compiled, yes. |
| 22:49.21 | Iriel | Or "compiled for the python virtual machine" |
| 22:49.26 | TC-Work | "Python (at least the most common implementation of it) follows a pattern of compiling the original source to byte codes, then interpreting the byte codes on a virtual machine. This means (again, the most common implementation) is neither a pure interpreter nor a pure compiler." |
| 22:49.28 | Iriel | So yes, it's compiled. |
| 22:49.31 | xyphoid | the line between 'compiled' and 'interpreted' isn't a clear single thing, |
| 22:49.34 | xyphoid | ^ |
| 22:49.42 | sylvanaar | pyo |
| 22:49.50 | Neffi | Essentially the same thing as Lua |
| 22:50.05 | VIad | So much better to talk about stuff with you. :) |
| 22:50.12 | VIad | Thanks. |
| 22:51.27 | Neffi | Hey video people: What's a recommended setup for high-quality video playback on Linux? Something analogous to MPC+LAV+madVR |
| 22:51.43 | Neffi | No-shortcut rendering with high quality scaling |
| 22:51.48 | Stanzilla | windows |
| 22:51.52 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:52.05 | airtonix | vlc |
| 22:52.18 | airtonix | but i have no problems with totem either |
| 22:52.36 | Neffi | Can they hit the upscaling quality of madVR? |
| 22:52.50 | Neffi | I mean, madVR is pretty awesome |
| 22:53.43 | Stanzilla | no 64bit madVR :( |
| 22:54.32 | airtonix | i don't even know what madvr is |
| 22:54.40 | airtonix | awesome mad virtual reality? |
| 22:54.50 | Neffi | http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228 |
| 22:54.53 | Neffi | Video renderer |
| 22:55.09 | airtonix | seems a bit overkill |
| 22:55.31 | Neffi | The results are very good when up/downscaling video |
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| 22:56.07 | airtonix | i only watch on my 23" 1920x1080 lcd screens |
| 22:56.09 | VIad | On the subject of video: what kind of hardware do phones use to decode video? Like, it's more efficient at it than the cpu and I try to figure out why exactly. |
| 22:56.37 | kd3 | a hardware <foo> decoder |
| 22:56.48 | kd3 | pick your favorite codec |
| 22:57.23 | Neffi | VIad: Most common SoCs nowadays have a dedicated decoder chip somewhere in them |
| 22:58.10 | Neffi | AFAIK most modern PC GPUs have the same thing |
| 22:58.24 | VIad | and it's designed to handle specific format decoding with as little overhead as possible and power consumption? |
| 22:58.33 | Neffi | yes |
| 22:58.55 | Neffi | I'm no expert in this shit, but I understand that much |
| 22:59.24 | Neffi | I always just thought they used the GPU shaders for hardware decoding, but reading material suggests there's a dedicated chip for decoding |
| 23:00.21 | sylvanaar | they can do both ways, typically only can work on a fixed number of streams - like 1 at a time. |
| 23:00.28 | VIad | I figure that chip is lisenced |
| 23:00.40 | Neffi | I figure there are a lot of those chips, so yeah |
| 23:00.50 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel would know |
| 23:00.57 | Gnarfoz | but he's probably sleeping off some jet lag ;p |
| 23:01.00 | Neffi | He almost definitely would |
| 23:01.23 | Neffi | He might answer my Linux video player question too. I'll have to remember to ask him when he's around. |
| 23:01.52 | Gnarfoz | :s |
| 23:01.53 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: wake up |
| 23:01.57 | jleclanche | What? |
| 23:02.06 | Stanzilla | linux question |
| 23:02.08 | Stanzilla | read above |
| 23:02.10 | Gnarfoz | I wonder why Android sometimes restores all my apps from Google and sometimes doesn't |
| 23:02.16 | jleclanche | whats the question? |
| 23:02.27 | Stanzilla | 00:51:17 ∙ Neffi: Hey video people: What's a recommended setup for high-quality video playback on Linux? Something analogous to MPC+LAV+madVR |
| 23:02.59 | Gnarfoz | btw |
| 23:03.05 | Gnarfoz | MPC+LAV is not necessary anymore |
| 23:03.11 | Neffi | Why so? |
| 23:03.11 | Gnarfoz | MPC-HC 1.7 includes LAV |
| 23:03.15 | Neffi | Oh wow |
| 23:03.17 | kd3 | mplayer on nvidia using the vdpau decoders? |
| 23:03.17 | jleclanche | i have no idea about multimedia |
| 23:03.25 | Gnarfoz | they threw away their own shit |
| 23:03.28 | fewyn | did a bunch of realms just crash? |
| 23:03.33 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: I disappoint son |
| 23:03.34 | Gnarfoz | kd3 probably has the right idea |
| 23:03.41 | jleclanche | fewyn: US? |
| 23:03.43 | fewyn | yes |
| 23:03.50 | Neffi | kd3: I'm not on NVidia. And mplayer is a bit of a beast. How do I achieve good scaling? |
| 23:03.54 | Gnarfoz | vdpau is for linux what cuvid is on windows, I think |
| 23:04.04 | Neffi | I'm on Intel right now |
| 23:04.04 | jleclanche | Neffi: tried mpv? |
| 23:04.09 | airtonix | Neffi: seriously get on Nvidia. amd is shit |
| 23:04.20 | Neffi | Have never tried anything besides mplayer with minimal config, tbh |
| 23:04.27 | Neffi | I'm not moving to Linux just yet |
| 23:04.39 | airtonix | ok i'll dispatch a black van team then |
| 23:05.00 | Neffi | airtonix: I'm a bit biased towards NVidia myself because I've had good experiences with them, and they're much better on Linux. I just don't use a dedicated GPU right now. |
| 23:05.11 | VIad | sorry I haven't been active enough in the channel, just been busy with work and other things lately :(/ |
| 23:05.17 | kd3 | my ~/.mplayer/config: http://dpaste.com/1425074/ |
| 23:05.18 | airtonix | still sending then van |
| 23:05.33 | kd3 | comment-out the ao line--I'm doing something nonstandard with my audio setup |
| 23:06.02 | Gnarfoz | VIad: you were active enough for 2 more years to come, when you were last "active" |
| 23:06.07 | Neffi | I'm still gonna ask nev later to see if he has feedback |
| 23:06.18 | VIad | :P |
| 23:06.28 | Neffi | Being that I watch on 1366x768 right now, I'm in the unfortunate position that every rip I download is being scaled either up or down |
| 23:06.49 | Neffi | And I still have a few DVDrips anyway, so when I finally get a 1080p-native monitor I still want good upscaling |
| 23:10.26 | VIad | anyone play pokemon xy? |
| 23:12.07 | VIad | don't act like you didn't buy it for your kids |
| 23:13.08 | Gnarfoz | I've got kids?! |
| 23:13.46 | VIad | was simply implying many here have kids of their own :P |
| 23:13.56 | TC-Work | Yes. |
| 23:14.19 | TC-Work | And you should really give them back. |
| 23:14.32 | VIad | give back what exactly? :P |
| 23:14.50 | VIad | I only have one pokemon game, x, I don't got both |
| 23:15.18 | TC-Work | I mean Gnarfoz, he should give back the kids. |
| 23:15.22 | VIad | hahaha |
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| 23:15.38 | Gnarfoz | TC, still learning to IRC after all these years |
| 23:15.53 | VIad | what? that you don't return kidnapped kids? |
| 23:16.16 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 23:16.39 | VIad | I pretended that what I said was the IRC lesson :P |
| 23:16.42 | VIad | a joke |
| 23:17.01 | Gnarfoz | ooook. |
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| 23:18.11 | Gnarfoz | I did mean that if other messages have arrived in the mean time, it can be hard to figure out who you're addressing, if you're not doing it explicitly |
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| 23:18.22 | VIad | I know, sorry. |
| 23:18.39 | Gnarfoz | (not you, TC :D) |
| 23:22.26 | TC-Work | Meh, if it was a serious conversation then sure. |
| 23:22.31 | TC-Work | This however was not. |
| 23:31.06 | VIad | when people dance at clubs in movies, it's fun to watch them dance :p |
| 23:34.49 | VIad | it's late and irc is dead, maybe I should sleep now too ;) |
| 23:37.40 | Semlar | Neffi: the nameplate appears to be resized every time it's shown |
| 23:39.06 | Semlar | it lets me resize it out of combat but blocks it in combat |
| 23:40.09 | Semlar | there doesn't seem to be much i can do to reduce its clickable area |
| 23:40.58 | Gnarfoz | I thought that wasn't possible? |
| 23:41.18 | Gnarfoz | but then I'm only an observer... nameplate mods are dark voodoo |
| 23:42.17 | Semlar | you can definitely resize it out of combat |
| 23:42.33 | Semlar | as soon as it gets reshown it goes back to its normal size though |
| 23:42.41 | Gnarfoz | great |
| 23:42.45 | Gnarfoz | so... worthless |
| 23:42.45 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 23:42.49 | Semlar | pretty much |
| 23:43.13 | Semlar | nameplates get recycled quite often |
| 23:43.38 | Semlar | the default size is about 140 x 40 |
| 23:43.50 | Semlar | which is way bigger than i want for mine |
| 23:44.17 | Semlar | i would only want mine to be maybe 50-60 pixels wide |
| 23:44.43 | Semlar | the way it is now when they overlap it makes it really difficult to click on what you want |
| 23:45.19 | Semlar | you could alternatively let them spread instead of stack but then they don't appear over the unit's head.. |
