| 00:05.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (~drool@host86-163-14-189.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:10.24 | Neffi | lua> 1.25^3 |
| 00:10.24 | lua_bot | Neffi: 1.953125 |
| 00:30.00 | *** join/#wowuidev vulture (~vulture@173-25-32-99.client.mchsi.com) |
| 00:30.40 | Neffi | lua> 4*4*(1.5^(100/100))*((1.25^3)/100)*(1+100/100)*(1+0/100)*(1+25/100) |
| 00:30.41 | lua_bot | Neffi: 1.171875 |
| 00:31.01 | Neffi | Well that can't be right |
| 00:34.36 | Neffi | lua> 4*4*(1.5^(100/100))*(1+0/100)*(1+0/100)*(1+0/100)*(1+0/100) |
| 00:34.37 | lua_bot | Neffi: 24 |
| 00:34.55 | Neffi | Well somebody doesn't know how to write formulas |
| 00:42.01 | Neffi | lua> 4*4*1.5*(1.25^3)*2*1.25 |
| 00:42.01 | lua_bot | Neffi: 117.1875 |
| 00:43.26 | Neffi | lua> (4*4*1.5*(1.25^3)*2*1.25)*(1.25^3) |
| 00:43.26 | lua_bot | Neffi: 228.8818359375 |
| 01:08.51 | *** join/#wowuidev nebula169_ (~nebula169@unaffiliated/nebula169) |
| 01:10.21 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:49.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (Dark_Elf@static-69-95-175-190.ind.choiceone.net) |
| 01:57.36 | Stanzilla | http://www.twitch.tv/kaceytron if you want to watch a real retard play |
| 01:59.36 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 02:08.30 | kd3 | oh that's amusing. my google authenticator number just now was 66666 |
| 02:11.09 | kd3 | emails away (4 hours behind, whee) |
| 02:16.02 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadniX| (shadnix@p5DDFF1B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:22.46 | Torhal | http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/won-negotiator-pic.jpg |
| 02:23.52 | *** join/#wowuidev rid_ (~phixion@phixion.org) |
| 02:43.42 | Neffi | Stanzilla: Why does her cleavage dominate the screen? |
| 02:43.53 | Neffi | And why is she getting donations for it? |
| 02:43.59 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|_ (~|Jelly|@c-50-152-154-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:44.20 | Stanzilla | Neffi: she's a troll |
| 02:48.13 | Torhal | Never heard of trolling via cleavage. |
| 02:50.14 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/mp4utOh.jpg dafuq is wrong with people? |
| 02:50.51 | Torhal | Neffi: ... |
| 02:54.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-100-63.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 02:54.46 | Amarande | Hrm. I'm guessing there's no fix yet for the endlessly cloning bnet friends glitch? |
| 02:55.23 | Neffi | Did Korra not air tonight? |
| 03:07.41 | Neffi | wtf is happening |
| 03:08.04 | Neffi | How is the only rip of Korra s02e07 a CAM rip |
| 03:08.09 | Neffi | Who does cam rips of TV shows? |
| 03:09.29 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:11.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Clamsoda (~Clamsoda@2601:c:5c00:23d:d8be:2f09:193c:6ab7) |
| 03:15.05 | airtonix | trololololol |
| 03:18.55 | Torhal | paints airtonix black. |
| 03:24.56 | *** join/#wowuidev fewyn (~fewyn@fewyn.net) |
| 03:42.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Atrumx (~5d6@unaffiliated/fivedeltasix) |
| 03:50.33 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy1 (~Mike@c-50-166-85-212.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 03:52.15 | Shirik | btw Cairenn http://i.imgur.com/RSL7VH5.jpg |
| 03:52.32 | Cairenn | What the fox say? |
| 04:01.43 | Shirik | so there's this arbitrary waterfall and sunset picture I found on youtube accidentally |
| 04:01.52 | Shirik | and I'm pretty sure I know where it is, and I drive past it every day |
| 04:02.01 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRNE5w8dqhE |
| 04:08.23 | Cairenn | http://imgur.com/tocVSFD |
| 04:08.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:08.55 | Shirik | also, Capt Phillips |
| 04:08.57 | Shirik | go see it everyone |
| 04:15.37 | karl_w_w | i heard that it's good but gravity is the thing to see |
| 04:28.35 | Shirik | gravity doesn't have one of my aircraft in it :P |
| 04:29.24 | Arrowmaster | cgi? |
| 04:29.51 | Shirik | the aircraft itself is cgi, yes |
| 04:30.00 | Shirik | the video might be adapted from original |
| 04:39.33 | Amarande | *blink* Prepare yourselves, the bells have tolled *blink* |
| 04:39.42 | Amarande | ... wow Hallow's End started already? *shakes head* heh |
| 04:44.16 | Amarande | guess so. I popped onto my low level gnome monk for a little bit before I go to sleep, having been on vacation for the past nine days, and I'm like wait wtf Headless Horseman LOL |
| 04:51.51 | pompy1 | lol |
| 04:52.08 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~Karl@61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 04:53.44 | karl_w_w | upgrade to 8.1, it doesn't give you a choice but to restart |
| 05:01.58 | *** part/#wowuidev Sixen (~Sixen@173-16-1-92.client.mchsi.com) |
| 05:05.58 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@121.99.64.224) |
| 05:05.58 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 05:20.41 | karl_w_w | omg wtf has it done to the left side of explorer |
| 05:33.54 | pompy1 | http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/13-4884/index.html |
| 05:39.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn|Away (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 05:39.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn|Away] by ChanServ |
| 05:41.12 | *** join/#wowuidev breser (breser@fornix.brain.org) |
| 05:57.26 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 05:58.29 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@121.99.64.224) |
| 05:58.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 06:06.46 | *** join/#wowuidev MysticalOS (~Myst@h38.110.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 06:34.54 | Primer | OMG this sucks |
| 06:35.11 | Primer | I'm having to raid on Linux and the FPS just fucking blows |
| 06:35.28 | Primer | This box is more than capable |
| 06:36.37 | Primer | as soon as combat starts, FPS goes to shit |
| 06:38.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~MD@d40aa8cc.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 06:39.48 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow_ (~bluspacec@121.99.121.156) |
| 06:43.06 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 06:49.57 | Primer | it doesn't seem to be CPU |
| 06:50.24 | Semlar | disable all addons, try again |
| 06:55.05 | karl_w_w | disables Semlar |
| 06:55.18 | Semlar | powers down |
| 06:56.09 | mikma | http://www.break.com/video/this-is-what-happens-when-you-steal-in-denmark-2529464 |
| 06:56.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Julith (~julith@i577B4A34.versanet.de) |
| 06:59.34 | Semlar | wut |
| 07:01.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrowmaster (~arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 07:02.13 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad (~Vlad@151.117.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 07:04.52 | Primer | I disabled a bunch |
| 07:04.55 | Primer | and it's a lot better |
| 07:10.10 | Primer | but still not good enough |
| 07:15.08 | Torhal | taints Semlar. |
| 07:15.21 | Semlar | all of them! |
| 07:15.41 | Semlar | you need to figure out if it's an addon |
| 07:16.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Sajaki (~Sajaki@94.78-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 07:27.54 | Primer | default UI seems fine...except I can't do anything |
| 07:28.45 | Semlar | now enable half of your addons and see if it's one of them |
| 07:30.13 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim_ (~quassel@250.17.9.46.customer.cdi.no) |
| 07:36.28 | mikma | http://youtu.be/RJxH2Hcs-jY |
| 07:47.04 | karl_w_w | wtf is a rave party |
| 07:47.39 | mikma | your googlefu is weak |
| 07:48.46 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOLOL |
| 07:48.47 | bluspacecow | http://www.themarysue.com/klingon-rick-roll/ |
| 07:48.56 | karl_w_w | no results mikma |
| 07:50.21 | bluspacecow | http://www.wikihow.com/Host-a-Rave-Party |
| 07:51.25 | mikma | karl_w_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E96BskqZHeE |
| 07:52.26 | karl_w_w | these things are all raves not rave parties |
| 07:53.01 | mikma | no that's a party! |
| 07:53.17 | mikma | i don't even call those as raves, lol |
| 07:53.40 | karl_w_w | and at least 1 of the DJs in that video is wearing beats headphones |
| 07:53.43 | karl_w_w | so yeah |
| 07:53.57 | mikma | exactly, party |
| 07:54.04 | mikma | WOOHOOO HE CAN PLAY MUSIC FROM CD! |
| 07:54.06 | mikma | WOOOOHOOOOOOOO |
| 07:55.22 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ieu198FbILo |
| 07:55.31 | mikma | that's rave, i think i was there ... hehe |
| 07:57.32 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnVRIg_t8s <- i <3 the song they start with :D |
| 07:58.04 | mikma | subwoofer made the cd-changer in my car skip quite alot when i turned the volume up making the song unlistenable |
| 07:58.22 | mikma | vicious cycle |
| 07:58.46 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@c83-250-204-217.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 07:58.46 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 07:59.29 | mikma | hi tom. bye tom. hi tom! |
| 07:59.46 | Fisker | hi, bye, hi |
| 08:01.51 | Primer | it's pitbull |
| 08:04.13 | *** join/#wowuidev MysticalOS (~Myst@h105.109.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 08:04.42 | Torhal | Primer: Stock or one of the forks? |
| 08:09.41 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust191.16-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 08:09.42 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 08:18.14 | *** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitch@BC06720F.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 08:19.18 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/15HCAUq.png <-going by their "not looking at explosions"-level they must have had something to do with it |
| 08:20.03 | karl_w_w | lol the right click menu on the windows 8.1 start button doesn't work |
| 08:20.21 | karl_w_w | testing is hard! |
| 08:21.43 | karl_w_w | search, run, and desktop works, the others don't |
| 08:22.16 | Fisker | works here karl_w_w |
| 08:22.19 | Fisker | computers are hard! |
| 08:22.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Julith (~julith@i577B4A34.versanet.de) |
| 08:22.37 | karl_w_w | yes they are, they're made of metal and shit |
| 08:22.44 | karl_w_w | not sure how that's relevant though |
| 08:22.48 | Semlar | mine's mostly metal and plastic |
| 08:37.54 | Primer | Torhal: nebula169's boss fork |
| 08:38.02 | Primer | but I'm pretty sure it'd be the same without it |
| 08:38.31 | *** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitch@BC06720F.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 08:45.44 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 08:51.06 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak-work (~cbreak@drz-wizzer.drz.ethz.ch) |
| 09:37.20 | karl_w_w | you alt tab out of a full screen application and windows doesnt give focus back to anything |
| 09:37.27 | karl_w_w | 8.1 is fucking shit so far |
| 09:45.05 | zenzelezz | O?o |
| 09:45.29 | zenzelezz | damnit, why doesn\t my xinitrc ever remember to run my setxkbd |
| 09:45.37 | zenzelezz | setxkbmap that is |
| 09:49.29 | sintAcks | curseclient done lost it's mind |
| 09:49.36 | sintAcks | using 25% of CPU and 1.5GB of ram |
| 09:50.04 | Humbedooh | blames C# or .NET or something like that |
| 09:51.18 | Fisker | keep telling us of your phantom issues karl_w_w :) |
| 09:53.49 | karl_w_w | there's this douchebag in irc |
| 09:55.58 | Fisker | Yeah I know karl_w_w he keeps making up stuff |
| 09:59.18 | sintAcks | lol Humbedooh |
| 09:59.28 | sintAcks | not sure why it was doing it |
| 09:59.35 | sintAcks | took a while to properly close too |
| 09:59.40 | sintAcks | cuz i didn't just want to kill it |
| 10:04.55 | Semlar | ugh, i forgot what event i was watching that the player name was first available at |
| 10:05.34 | Semlar | i think it was either PLAYER_LOGIN or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD |
| 10:08.40 | Semlar | or PLAYER_ALIVE |
| 10:09.21 | Semlar | nope not that |
| 10:14.19 | *** join/#wowuidev bluworkcow (ca312226@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.49.34.38) |
| 10:14.19 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluworkcow] by ChanServ |
| 10:22.39 | Semlar | i'm just going to assume it's player_login until this breaks |
| 10:48.42 | *** join/#wowuidev nibordoohe (~thubble@50.92.37.129) |
| 10:50.21 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.58 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.04 | nibordoohe | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4663257921 |
| 10:51.29 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.11 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.11 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.11 | nibordoohe | Debug: |
| 10:58.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Dotted^ (Dotted@x1-6-24-76-7d-9e-01-da.k920.webspeed.dk) |
| 11:00.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Dotted^ (Dotted@x1-6-24-76-7d-9e-01-da.k920.webspeed.dk) |
| 11:12.04 | bluworkcow | well that macro is from April 2012 |
| 11:12.18 | bluworkcow | that's like 18 months old |
| 11:16.46 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 11:17.18 | bluworkcow | other than that I can't see why it's erroring out |
| 11:20.51 | *** join/#wowuidev kagaro (~kagaro@cpe-173-095-140-190.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 11:21.06 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.44 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.37 | Fisker | hello bluworkcow |
| 11:24.58 | spode | shouldn't it be possible to create a route between the buckets with the addon Route combined with HandyNotes and HandyNotes_HallowsEnd? |
| 11:28.16 | bluworkcow | nibordoohe: with the macro API possibly. I would make a new theard in the UI & Macros forum asking Ro to rewrite it. |
| 11:30.14 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 11:31.06 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Droolio (~drool@host86-163-14-189.range86-163.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:31.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Dennls (~dennis@s55973038.adsl.online.nl) |
| 11:31.32 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.24 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 11:47.08 | foxlit | nibordoohe: just get something that provides /in |
| 11:48.00 | foxlit | maybe http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/slash-in |
| 11:49.33 | bluworkcow | lol /in |
| 11:49.34 | bluworkcow | some many people assumed that was built in |
| 11:49.40 | bluworkcow | cosmos wasn't it ? |
| 11:52.06 | spode | yeh |
| 11:53.29 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.13 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.43 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.43 | foxlit | A giant amalgamation of /run scripts that work around limitations that do not apply to actual addons, then? |
| 11:56.32 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.39 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.06 | foxlit | no, that is what you'll produce if you just look for "small scripts that you could copy paste into your addon" |
| 12:00.01 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.46 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.13 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.50 | foxlit | so what's stopping you at the moment? |
| 12:03.42 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.09 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.12 | foxlit | Right, so you can't quite delay any code that's already executing. |
| 12:04.33 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.04 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.12 | foxlit | you could however schedule code to run periodically. Do you know how to do that, and if you did, would that help you? |
| 12:05.18 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.25 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.31 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.53 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.54 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.19 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.14 | foxlit | It occurs to me that there's nowhere I could point you at and say "do that" |
| 12:09.37 | foxlit | the relevant wowpedia article is essentially unchanged from 2005; wowprogramming says "see my book" |
| 12:10.06 | foxlit | You're basically looking at OnUpdate script handlers, which are executed on all visible widgets on each rendered frame. |
| 12:10.07 | foxlit | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnUpdate |
| 12:12.04 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.24 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.29 | nibordoohe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Julith (~julith@i577B4A34.versanet.de) |
| 13:01.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Hazal (~Mikkel@0x5e910d43.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 13:29.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ARL/Ressy) |
| 13:30.10 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/igCC5 lol |
| 13:37.15 | *** join/#wowuidev patrickw (~patrickw@pool-108-48-94-60.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 13:38.47 | Ressy | The marine one is funny |
| 13:40.54 | patrickw | 4 years clean, deleted all addons and macros I spent countless hours setting up, something suddenly triggers the urge and I can't stop thinking about WoW… is it possible / fun to slow level these days or is the game set up to rush you to the gear / rep / daily grind phase asap? |
| 13:43.20 | Neffi | My father was watching the marine one when it aired. That shit had me in tears. |
| 13:43.56 | Neffi | I don't particularly like the show, but shit like that makes it great to watch sometimes |
| 13:44.37 | Neffi | patrickw: If you run without heirlooms, you can progress somewhat slowly, but still far faster than ever before |
| 13:44.56 | Neffi | You'll find an overabundance of quests, because you level up faster than how long it takes to clear a zone |
| 13:45.07 | patrickw | I've always hated the concept of heirlooms and don't have any… and in fact I'm thinking of rerolling in a newer server with no bags or nothing... |
| 13:45.25 | Neffi | Up to you |
| 13:45.36 | Neffi | I recently tried to play again and found it immensely boring |
| 13:45.48 | patrickw | I haven't played since LK and loved how they improved questing, in the old world like that now, or is the question still, "grab all quests, go do em all at once" |
| 13:46.06 | Neffi | Pretty much the latter |
| 13:46.16 | Neffi | The quests are much better than before -- in the zones where they improved them |
| 13:46.27 | Neffi | But it's still the same boring paradigm while leveling |
| 13:46.42 | Neffi | I think the only leveling I actually enjoyed doing was Pandaria |
| 13:46.57 | Neffi | 85-90 was legitimately fun. Great quests and zones. Incredible, really. |
| 13:47.12 | Neffi | But gameplay at 90 isn't nearly as fun as it used to be |
| 13:47.37 | foxlit | patrickw: why don't you just play the game and decide whether it's fun for you or not? |
| 13:47.43 | Neffi | If you feel like coming back, form your own opinion. Lots of people still enjoy the game. |
| 13:47.46 | foxlit | Listening to whiners in IRC channels is counterproductive to fun. |
| 13:47.49 | patrickw | I've quit twice and came back during BC and LK… both times I had fun levelling while my guildies pressured me to ding max and get in the raids. |
| 13:47.54 | Neffi | But I feel like vanilla through WTLK was WoW's best days |
| 13:48.26 | Neffi | This is all incredibly subjective |
| 13:48.40 | Neffi | Gamers are incredibly variable things. What I hate, you might love. |
| 13:49.00 | Neffi | I mean, there's a reason why the subscriber base is still massive |
| 13:49.54 | Neffi | I will say that playing for the time I did was totally worth leveling through Pandaria the 3 times I did it |
| 13:50.09 | Neffi | MoP is WoW's golden period w.r.t. questing/leveling |
| 13:50.50 | patrickw | foxlit: because playing could be incredibly dangerous to my time usage :) though not knowing anyone who wants me to help progression would help curtail any pressure to level fast / play more / get sucked in to end game |
| 13:51.16 | Neffi | Level capped in WLK? |
| 13:51.40 | Neffi | Cata's questing was pretty good. Not everyone feels that way, but I honestly enjoyed it. It wasn't as good as MoP, but it was pretty great. |
| 13:51.43 | patrickw | hell, just getting my bars set up will probably take a solid day of work, lol |
| 13:52.01 | patrickw | yeah, i've always ended up capped and raiding and running raids |
| 13:52.05 | Neffi | Leveling up 80-90 alone is a pretty fun experience if you're the type that likes questing |
| 13:52.05 | *** join/#wowuidev demi` (~tensai@lordanel.info) |
| 13:52.16 | Neffi | Kill some time, play to 90, and from there it's up to you |
| 13:52.46 | Neffi | You MAY enjoy MoP raiding. I don't particularly enjoy raiding at all, so I didn't touch level 90 raids. I can't give you feedback of how fun that is. |
| 13:53.58 | patrickw | tbh I started as a pvp in vanilla, and only got into raiding because, well, you had to, but of course I ended up running mad raids and enjoying it… other than those 11 freaking eggs in a row waiting for our first leaf (!) |
| 13:54.28 | Neffi | I've always been PvP inclined, and that's why vanilla, BC and WLK are my favorite times |
| 13:54.30 | patrickw | i hate arena tho, so pvp isn't something "viable" as a playstyle anymore |
| 13:54.46 | Neffi | Old-day BGs and world PvP; then we got arena; then we got Wintergrasp and more refined arena balance and paradigm |
| 13:55.00 | Neffi | Cata and MoP both let me down as a primary PvPer |
| 13:57.36 | patrickw | I've always been in the wrong class at the wrong time for arena… sham in bc, druid in wlk… now obviously you can still put in the time and effort to get glad or whatever with any class, but I never enjoyed arena enought to want to |
| 13:58.08 | Neffi | I never even went for Glad. Gaming's about having fun. |
| 13:58.28 | Neffi | My pocket healer in WLK was a druid and we had a shitload of fun doing BGs and Wintergrasp |
| 13:59.02 | Neffi | WoW's balance has never really been so bad that a class is unplayable, despite what the forums want to tell you |
| 13:59.19 | Neffi | Well, except in the first few patches after 1.0's launch |
| 13:59.34 | patrickw | i love bgs, love em… had a MASSIVE post about how to make BGing a primary playstyle again that had like 100 pages of postive responses… then I got a mysterious forum ban and they deleted th thread |
| 13:59.46 | patrickw | well maybe not hunders of pages, but close to 100 |
| 14:02.53 | patrickw | anyway, what is the best bar mod these days… I use a nostromo so I need something good. I don't rember what I used last, but it was so long ago that I'm sure something different is the best now |
| 14:04.19 | patrickw | with no downranking I guess I wont need a bajillion buttons and modifers now hehe |
| 14:13.09 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 14:17.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-bilbxuutwijejrgk) |
| 14:19.24 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-emqexcalcorkgbyz) |
| 14:27.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-jmgslgltzazpmeej) |
| 14:30.58 | *** join/#wowuidev VIad1 (~Vlad@151.117.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 14:34.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-vypukdyscgkzywmq) |
| 14:36.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-wjdxhkrcnycqxfcq) |
| 14:36.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-yiisycalzyaczeel) |
| 14:37.08 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-dbrbzyzxcdjqdluf) |
| 14:39.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-zsqxrjofbvpqriwi) |
| 14:41.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-mldxooblfhilxmsg) |
| 14:46.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-dybymdqnlzsslvlk) |
| 14:49.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Bruners (lasseb@gateway/shell/tihlde/x-gqmppqrssejtaflv) |
| 15:07.51 | *** join/#wowuidev tharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 15:24.31 | *** join/#wowuidev seank (~SeanK@50.46.102.120) |
| 15:37.50 | *** join/#wowuidev seank (~SeanK@50.46.102.120) |
| 15:45.34 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/x5ykLll.jpg |
| 15:48.03 | Neffi | haa http://imgur.com/gallery/tocVSFD |
| 15:54.17 | Neffi | haha http://i.imgur.com/SHcPL3Z.png |
| 15:54.35 | Neffi | The peak of electrical engineering jokes |
| 16:11.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~Funkeh`@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 16:12.34 | karl_w_w | unsurprisingly, I don't get it |
| 16:15.27 | Neffi | Coffee filter, air filter, water filter, low pass filter |
| 16:15.48 | Neffi | At least I'm pretty sure that's a low pass filter |
| 16:16.11 | Neffi | Dammit man, I'm a programmer, not an engineer |
| 16:45.03 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/74EFW8D.png heh |
| 17:14.56 | karl_w_w | lol one direction + anthony weiner = one erection |
| 17:15.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duKL2dAJN6I |
| 17:15.05 | Neffi | haha |
| 17:15.26 | Neffi | i was wondering why I got pinged for that |
| 17:15.57 | mikma | karl_w_w: boooooo bitch |
| 17:17.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Robsato (~Robsato@541DEF37.cm-5-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 17:22.40 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/pcqKEZA.png |
| 17:22.53 | Neffi | Our priorities are clearly in line with my ideals |
| 17:23.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 17:23.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 17:29.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Venara (~Venaraa@86-41-186-138-dynamic.b-ras3.chf.cork.eircom.net) |
| 17:36.51 | Shirik | (09:16:06) (Neffi) Dammit man, I'm a programmer, not an engineer |
| 17:36.54 | Shirik | Something you NEVER want to say |
| 17:36.59 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 17:39.57 | Neffi | We all have to do things we don't want to sometimes |
| 17:40.40 | airtonix | you're supposed to say you're a Dreamweaving Wordpress Designer |
| 17:40.47 | Neffi | oh god |
| 17:40.54 | Neffi | brb, changing majors |
| 17:40.58 | airtonix | managers think you're awesome then |
| 17:41.20 | Neffi | I've still got this aspiration that I'm gonna be self-employed |
| 17:41.37 | airtonix | a) they can ask for more budget, b) they know you're an idiot and can tell you what to do c) you'll only get paid 50c an hour |
| 17:42.01 | airtonix | oh and d) you won't intimidate them with that crazy linux talk |
| 17:42.34 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 17:42.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 17:42.58 | Neffi | so she says to me "what if your fully qualified hostname?" so I told that bitch to cat /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 17:43.16 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 17:43.18 | Neffi | gets fired. |
| 17:45.12 | bluworkcow | *lights Neffi on fire* |
| 17:45.15 | bluworkcow | http://i.imgur.com/ZaYzD8n.gif |
| 17:45.47 | airtonix | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/241664 |
| 17:46.00 | Neffi | Jesus Christ, bluworkcow |
| 17:46.14 | bluworkcow | you said you were fired |
| 17:46.33 | Neffi | neffi is computer? |
| 17:46.40 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 17:46.42 | bluworkcow | no |
| 17:48.40 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:49.17 | Thunder_Child | Careful Fisker |
| 17:49.17 | Fisker | also hey bluworkcow |
| 17:49.21 | Fisker | what Thunder_Child? |
| 17:49.28 | airtonix | imposter! |
| 17:49.49 | Thunder_Child | The Shirik is unpredictable |
| 17:50.04 | Fisker | nah |
| 18:01.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-100-63.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 18:07.13 | *** join/#wowuidev Seerah (~RyanNL@adsl-98-66-37-234.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 18:07.13 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 18:09.28 | *** join/#wowuidev mitchnull (~mitch@BC06720F.catv.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 18:09.31 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/sEJegor.jpg oh lawd jesus |
| 18:09.49 | bluworkcow | wow! |
| 18:09.50 | Ressy | Thats a really big nerds box |
| 18:09.57 | bluworkcow | a mini monitor :3 |
| 18:10.23 | Neffi | Apparently, it's real |
| 18:10.26 | Iriel | The box says 1.5 lbs |
| 18:10.33 | Iriel | It's like, cereal box sized |
| 18:10.35 | Neffi | http://www.itsugar.com/giant-nerds-candy-box.html |
| 18:10.35 | Thunder_Child | Only 1.5 Pounds? I'm kinda surprised |
| 18:11.18 | Neffi | About where "family sized" cereal boxes sit |
| 18:11.30 | Neffi | Not like those cheapskate Cinnamon Toast Crunch boxes |
| 18:11.31 | Thunder_Child | http://www.itsugar.com/supersized-candy.html A whole page of them |
| 18:12.12 | Neffi | That is contains a bunch of small boxes probably explains why it's so light for its size |
| 18:13.01 | Neffi | I'm getting a damned Costco card now |
| 18:13.17 | Neffi | I wish I had a shitload of money so I could give these out on Halloween |
| 18:13.29 | Neffi | Imagine the kids' reactions. And their parents'. |
| 18:13.48 | Iriel | YOu could include "$200 off your first root canal" gift cards |
| 18:13.51 | Iriel | for once they're older |
| 18:14.02 | Neffi | heh |
| 18:14.20 | Neffi | So their first root canal will *only* cost $4000 |
| 18:14.31 | Iriel | They're somewhat less with insurance |
| 18:14.58 | Neffi | My father paid like half price because his friend's a dentist. I think he still paid like $3000 each |
| 18:18.39 | Amarande | heh, of course they'd have huge Nerds boxes like this |
| 18:19.05 | Amarande | It gives Nestle more of a bargaining chip when they're trying to push city councils to forcibly fluorinate tap water, I imagine :P |
| 18:19.35 | zenzelezz | wait, hang on... $4k for a root canal? Do you use gold or something? |
| 18:19.42 | Neffi | I thought all tap water was flourinated until I left NYC for a bit |
| 18:19.58 | Neffi | zenzelezz: Ever gotten dental work done without insurance? |
| 18:20.13 | Amarande | Neffi: nope, depends on the jurisdiction. and what I heard they tried to do in Portland has pretty much put me off of Nestle altogether, except for very rare purchases |
| 18:20.34 | Amarande | which I mostly confine to times like vacationing where one's there to relax, not stress out over corporate politicking :P |
| 18:20.51 | Neffi | My brother just needed a wisdom tooth pulled that was broken with the nerve exposed. The "cheap" price from that same friend was around $1200. Thankfully my father plays in a band with a pretty rich dude who happens to be a dentist. He was thrilled to get it done almost free. |
| 18:21.33 | Amarande | oddly enough, people may probably fear the dentist less than the doctor soon too heh |
| 18:21.54 | Neffi | IME people fear dentists more |
| 18:22.00 | Neffi | I never understood why |
| 18:22.25 | Amarande | although I'm pretty sure the dentist I go to just jacks up their prices so that you pay the same whether or not you have insurance and insurance just means they also get to soak the insurance company for money too :P |
| 18:22.29 | Neffi | "Sir, we're gonna have to bolt that bone back together with a steel rod" no problem "sir, that tooth needs to be removed" oh fuck |
| 18:22.32 | Amarande | they do pretty good jobs, though |
| 18:23.29 | Amarande | but, the point being, my work union for instance will still be covering dental through their health fund, but part timers will be booted to the Exchange for regular doctor care |
| 18:23.41 | Amarande | and if you don't know about Obamacare much, the main thing I understand about the Exchange is it's essentially a scam :P |
| 18:23.42 | Neffi | I think some people live with the illusion that tooth problems can somehow be ignored, that they're not life-threatening or dangerous. But an MD's or surgeons affairs commonly ARE dangerous. |
| 18:24.30 | zenzelezz | Neffi: I'm from Norway |
| 18:24.38 | Neffi | That explains it |
| 18:24.42 | Amarande | Indeed, you might be better off getting your health care from Nar Shaddaa than from the American Exchange. :P |
| 18:24.51 | Neffi | Damn vikings and your high quality of living |
| 18:25.09 | Amarande | Neffi: costs, too. apparently incomes that would be very comfy in the US aren't really much in Norway |
| 18:25.14 | Neffi | I'm glad NY has pretty good medicaid |
| 18:25.49 | Neffi | Yes but from what I gather, the wages are even more disproportionate, in Norway's favor |
| 18:25.51 | Amarande | Mind you, I don't even really know much at all about this state's exchange yet, because THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THEIR WEB SITE last I looked, which was only a couple weeks or so ago :p |
| 18:25.57 | Ressy | Oregon cut its uninsured by 10% in the last 2 weeks. |
| 18:26.01 | Neffi | The American middle class is not in a good state right no |
| 18:26.12 | Neffi | Some argue the middle class doesn't exist anymore: it's been downgraded to low class |
| 18:26.32 | Amarande | however, from what I've heard in news article comments from people whose states *have* got their exchanges' acts together, it's basically a scam |
| 18:26.42 | Neffi | I'm not surprised |
| 18:26.51 | Amarande | if you buy the "affordable" tier health care (aka "bronze"), your deductible is so high you'll go bankrupt on anything major anyway |
| 18:27.01 | Neffi | Obamacare seems like the worst compromise |
| 18:27.08 | Amarande | all it does is help fund the care for higher-class people who get it through their employers with their cushy management jobs |
| 18:27.28 | Neffi | It's like saying, one side wants pasta and the other side wants rice, so we get moldy bread |
| 18:27.28 | Amarande | and make sure the hospitals' losses are minimal, since they'll get all but the first few thousand on a massively expensive treatment |
| 18:27.33 | Amarande | but the patient will still go bankrupt :p |
| 18:27.53 | Neffi | It's a damn shame really |
| 18:28.09 | Neffi | We really should stop seeing good health as a business/luxury |
| 18:28.11 | Amarande | since, well, if you could actually afford a few thousand in medical bills, you wouldn't be on Bronze :P |
| 18:28.35 | Amarande | there is also the fact that retail companies in particular get to be strained by it |
| 18:28.51 | Neffi | It's really fucked for a lot of people |
| 18:29.08 | Amarande | Obamacare enforces a HARD line between part-time and full-time employment, so part timers either have to be formally upgraded to FT, or they have to be limited to 29 hours a week max basically no matter what |
| 18:29.11 | Neffi | Because many businesses are facing the very real fact that if they don't cut workers' hours to part-time, they just can't turn a reasonable profit |
| 18:29.17 | Neffi | So it's hurting a lot of people in a lot of ways |
| 18:29.49 | Amarande | Which is a real pain in companies with seasonal surge sales, because you can't give 35 hour weeks to the part-timers anymore to cover for the extra business (and we always liked that anyway, more money for the holidays matters more than PT/FT classification to most of us :P) |
| 18:29.49 | Neffi | And the businesses that can afford to pay healthcare can just ride on the fact that cutting down to part-time is the norm, so why not do it too? |
| 18:30.35 | Neffi | I don't applaud the republicans for their behavior in the face of this, but I sympathize that they are the only ones pointing out how shitty of a system Obamacare really is |
| 18:30.50 | Neffi | The people on the side of it have come out as the good guys, when they're not |
| 18:31.03 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.10 | Iriel | so that's not a particularly noble path |
| 18:31.12 | kd3 | ^ |
| 18:31.51 | Amarande | Well, yeah, it's kinda like fighting Garalon and having the choice of either being stuck in yellow pools or walking under the giant bug. :) |
| 18:32.14 | Neffi | Even if we can stop pointing fingers, we're faced with: where the fuck do we go from here? |
| 18:32.15 | Neffi | It needs to be improved, but it won't be |
| 18:32.26 | Amarande | Which probably means you made a mistake earlier, but it's often hard to tell exactly when you slipped past the point of no return ... |
| 18:32.43 | Neffi | And more than ever people are realizing that Congress doesn't have enough accountability, but Congress itself is the only ones who can change that |
| 18:33.19 | Iriel | Perhaps folks will start voting in an accountability-enforcing manner |
| 18:33.20 | Neffi | How do you ask the people who are in the wrong and abusing their position, to pass a law so that they can't be bad anymore |
| 18:33.28 | Iriel | rather than based on the scare-mongering that goes on on TV |
| 18:33.33 | Amarande | Neffi: the President possibly can, especially with all the powers the executive has post 9/11, but then you run into the same issue of "who holds the executive accountable but themselves" |
| 18:33.36 | Neffi | That will never happen |
| 18:33.49 | Neffi | I think term limits for Congress would be a step in the right direction. Fuck if that will EVER happen. |
| 18:34.25 | Neffi | If the president pulled ANYTHING over Congress, they'd stonewall him even harder |
| 18:34.36 | Neffi | It would put the whole political process in a hard deadlock |
| 18:35.09 | Neffi | Is a bad system better than no system? |
| 18:36.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-67-160-127-180.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:37.08 | Neffi | Well I've got business to tend to |
| 18:37.13 | Neffi | It's been a pleasure |
| 19:03.17 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (~Kaydeethr@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 19:36.25 | bleeter | presidential style government is invariably fuxored |
| 19:42.36 | Maldivia | long live the queen |
| 19:43.06 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@unaffiliated/kd3) |
| 19:51.15 | kd3 | wow. 2 big upsets in a few minutes in the SEC |
| 19:56.55 | bleeter | this is very very good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA |
| 19:58.04 | bleeter | Maldivia: at least we know what sort of whack job we'll be getting years in advance. also, who's the more foolish. the fools who have inhertied monarchy supply nutjobs to lead a country, or the fools who elect nutjobs to lead the country... |
| 20:01.06 | airtonix | kd3: what are you talking about? |
| 20:01.18 | airtonix | cuban? |
| 20:01.43 | kd3 | nah, the other sec. football |
| 20:02.17 | airtonix | secretly excentric cricket? |
| 20:03.45 | Iriel | suprisingly empty cupboard? |
| 20:10.14 | Amarande | oh, and the other irritating thing about obamacare. I was scratching my head for a while about it now I remember. |
| 20:10.39 | Amarande | it's that it's going to make it increasingly difficult to move between states without eating a fine, unless you have a full-time job lined up before each move |
| 20:11.14 | Neffi | I think the fine part of it is incredibly inhumane |
| 20:11.20 | Amarande | and I'm not entirely sure how that can be a good thing either :P |
| 20:11.25 | Neffi | It goes against much of the premise our Declaration set forth |
| 20:11.43 | Amarande | Neffi: well, less so than one might think. e.g. if you have no money at all, technically you owe the fine for not having health insurance, but then you're forgiven it because you don't have the money to pay it |
| 20:12.04 | Neffi | It's along the same reasoning that taxing cigarettes up the ass is somehow justified because smoking is bad (even though the extra tax isn't going towards proving smokers with healthcare) |
| 20:12.05 | Amarande | i.e., the gist I got of it was that it's kinda sorta of a tax but people aren't going to jail for tax evasion if they don't have the money for even that |
| 20:12.53 | Amarande | Neffi: in that case, it's perhaps more to induce people to quit than it is to care for the smokers per se |
| 20:13.02 | Neffi | So the many people in the situation where they make JUST enough money on a part-time job to not qualify for medicaid, but not enough to reasonably aford an extra expense, are treated like lowlifes |
| 20:13.21 | kd3 | in states where they didn't expand COMPASS (read: republican states), people can get exemptions and don't have to get it. |
| 20:13.23 | Neffi | It's such an inherently bad system that I'm absolutely shocked anyone came up with it, let alone got it passed |
| 20:13.32 | kd3 | for instance, I actually qualify for the exemption in georgia |
| 20:13.32 | Amarande | although that also results in revenue balance issues for states, because they raise the cigarette tax thinking partly "oh hey more money" and it also has the originally desired effect of causing people to quit smoking |
| 20:13.38 | Amarande | and then OTHER taxes end up having to go up in their place |
| 20:13.49 | Neffi | So sure, let me just get exempted. |
| 20:13.54 | Neffi | It solves zero problems whatsoever |
| 20:14.05 | Amarande | but yeah, it's going to be a big pain in the arse for people to move between states with Obamacare in place |
| 20:14.22 | Neffi | It's a perfectly convoluted system that's been over-engineered to NOT solve the problem |
| 20:14.27 | Amarande | the reason for this? the state exchanges apparently are rarely if ever available for signups all year round, you can only do it during the designated "open enrollment period" |
| 20:14.40 | kd3 | that's how all insurance works, amarande |
| 20:14.50 | Amarande | Move in when it's not that period? Oh, sorry, enrollment is closed, but you're legally required to have enrolled anyway, even though you can't, so pay the fine! |
| 20:15.06 | Neffi | I think it's incredibly immoral |
| 20:15.08 | Neffi | Disgusting even |
| 20:15.18 | Amarande | there are apparently even some states where there's only a ONE MONTH open enrollment period |
| 20:15.19 | kd3 | you can sign up for coverage outside of open enrollment for situations like that, amarande |
| 20:16.02 | kd3 | new job? move? get married? great, you can sign up for insurance regardless of whether it's open enrollment |
| 20:16.58 | kd3 | open enrollment is just that - it opens up access for everyone roughly every 12 months |
| 20:17.25 | Amarande | Heh, I once thought that especially sadistic GOP members would try to keep the government shut down until it was too late for people to enroll for Obamacare, so they could reap all the extra tax money from people who are supposed to have insurance but were locked out of it (but apparently the exchanges weren't subject to the shutdown so heh) |
| 20:17.41 | Amarande | Although, the *really* mean thing would have been if they'd kept it shut down till April 16th :) |
| 20:19.03 | Neffi | A true republican wouldn't keep the tax money |
| 20:19.11 | Neffi | I don't know if we have any of them left |
| 20:20.00 | Amarande | Neffi: *this* kind of GOP would love to keep the tax money, I'm sure :p |
| 20:20.00 | Neffi | Or rather the 1-2 of them that really do seem to follow core republican ideals, and not the bullshit the GOP has turned into, are still batshit insane |
| 20:20.12 | Neffi | GOP has become a fucking shame |
| 20:20.33 | Amarande | but yeah, if one was going to be an evil government official, to have a shutdown that includes all of January through mid April would be the perfect thing |
| 20:20.55 | Amarande | everyone who has to PAY their taxes still has to, since payment-processing IRS folks are essential |
| 20:21.02 | Neffi | One thing I'd LOVE to see is a system of peer review in policy |
| 20:21.29 | Amarande | meanwhile everyone due for a refund would forfeit theirs because they weren't able to have their taxes processed in time (since refund-processing IRS folks are NOT essential and would be furloughed) |
| 20:21.36 | Neffi | One of the greatest strengths of the scientific community could be a wonderful addition to our political process. |
| 20:21.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Robsato (~Robsato@541DEF37.cm-5-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 20:22.21 | Neffi | A mandatory period of public peer-review by experts of their field, with policies and bills being put on indefinite hold until it has received enough attention from the review community |
| 20:23.17 | kd3 | oh, what, the congressionally-approved reviewers for <insert field of choice> are otherwise occupied for months? we'll get right on getting that bill passed |
| 20:23.35 | Neffi | And important things that ought to pass quickly, being placed as "soft law", where once enough review has accumulated to find and fix issues, it can be pulled from law or changed |
| 20:23.48 | Neffi | No congressionally-approved anything |
| 20:23.54 | Neffi | Completely open and transparent review |
| 20:24.04 | kd3 | hahahaha, yah. that's going to happen |
| 20:24.06 | Neffi | Open to all. Your credentials lend weight to your review. |
| 20:24.18 | Amarande | Technocracy! :) |
| 20:24.29 | Neffi | I think it's a totally essential feature of any ideal government |
| 20:24.40 | Amarande | yeah, that's pretty much the problem with large entities in general |
| 20:25.02 | Amarande | large entities tend to end up being led, by and large, by people whose expertise is hyper-specialised into the leadership of large entities |
| 20:25.03 | Neffi | Peer review is a lot of the reason why the scientific community by and large has maintained credibility and respect |
| 20:25.20 | Amarande | which generally leaves woefully insufficient understanding of, oh, say, the things that the entity is actually supposed to DO |
| 20:25.56 | Neffi | Being a politician should not be seen as a career IMO |
| 20:26.01 | Neffi | I'm all for term limits everywhere |
| 20:26.08 | Neffi | Everywhere |
| 20:26.10 | Amarande | it's probably a reason for the large number of rather ho-hum AAA game titles, for instance, given that companies like EA and Activision tend to be led by non-gamers (and Bobby Kotick even *prides* himself on not being a gamer :P) |
| 20:26.39 | Amarande | sure, they may be great (for various definitions of great) at running a large business entity |
| 20:26.57 | Amarande | however, being non-gamers, they have an essential disconnect from the product, and it often shows |
| 20:27.08 | Neffi | Well the nice thing about that is capitalism takes over. When your game sucks, people either don't buy it, or realize it sucks after buying it and you get a PR nightmare in the form of a backlash (see the online Sim City bullshit) |
| 20:27.37 | Amarande | I suppose the flip side of the coin can be an issue, too |
| 20:28.15 | Amarande | You get gamers with a vision that decide to found a company, and the graveyards of business are littered with the derelicts that result from having a great product idea but not the expertise in business management to go with it |
| 20:29.17 | Amarande | I'm not sure if there is a corresponding case in nation-states |
| 20:29.24 | Amarande | perhaps, to at least some degree the USSR |
| 20:29.58 | Amarande | for all its evils and oppression, the USSR actually had certain positive visions for the populace at large |
| 20:30.21 | Amarande | they wanted to make sure the workers of the world would have work, of course, and they also had among other things a housing permit system that seemed to make it all but impossible for people to be homeless |
| 20:31.33 | Neffi | I think Newell is a good example of a successful company built by gamers |
| 20:31.45 | Neffi | Carmack is great too |
| 20:32.09 | Neffi | The folks at Blizzard and Bethesda also seem to be true gamers, and it shows in their products. And they're incredibly successful. |
| 20:32.36 | Neffi | I think companies like EA are outliers honestly. Sure they're big and successful, but their lack of passion in their games is not the norm for the industry. |
| 20:33.07 | Neffi | Blizzard is probably one of my favorite examples |
| 20:33.47 | Neffi | I mean, we know for a fact that the core developers and lead designers all play the game just as much as fairly dedicated gamers do |
| 20:34.56 | Neffi | It definitely takes a reasonable business sense to become successful, but it doesn't take years of business education to do that |
| 20:35.03 | foxlit | Neffi: I'm all for term limits everywhere << there is a hard term limit on everything. |
| 20:35.11 | foxlit | We certainly haven't fixed death yet. |
| 20:35.41 | Neffi | I would say the majority of failed gaming startups are the result of people who are both overly ambitious and under experienced |
| 20:36.30 | Neffi | Some guy's been gaming for over a decade, so he decides he's gonna make the next Skyrim or WoW. That's not gonna pan out on willpower alone. |
| 20:36.47 | Neffi | lol foxlit |
| 20:37.29 | Neffi | I hate the idea of being a politician as a profession. When you're in it for a paycheck, you don't have the personal passion or vision to do things right. |
| 20:37.56 | Neffi | The people we should give the power, are the people who do it out of will to be a civil servant |
| 20:38.40 | foxlit | I don't think that follows at all. |
| 20:38.46 | Amarande | Neffi: I blame nVidia and ATI for that one, partly :S |
| 20:38.58 | Neffi | IMO if we can justify term limits of presidency, it's very short-sighted to not apply those same limits across the board on all people of political power |
| 20:39.05 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (~ballmer@2a01:4f8:d12:1104:d1e:d1e:d1e:d1e) |
| 20:39.27 | Neffi | Stop Congress from being all about the movers and shakers |
| 20:40.58 | foxlit | Once again, I don't see any logical connection between the two statements, or even what you mean by the last one. |
| 20:41.38 | foxlit | It's unclear what problem it is you want to address by imposing term limits, and it's unclear why term limits in particular would fix it. |
| 20:41.49 | Neffi | Fair enough. I'm way too hungry right now. |
| 20:42.47 | foxlit | Term limits are also a weird concept -- if someone is good at their job and has popular support, why is an arbitrary limit to the number of times they may serve beneficial to society? |
| 20:44.31 | Neffi | It allows us to expand past the ideals of one individual, good or bad. It prevents that individual from building a loyal fanbase that's not necessarily related to their actions. |
| 20:45.35 | Neffi | I need to go make food anyway. And then I'm leaving shortly after. I'll take this discussion up another time if you want to. |
| 20:50.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@97-86-234-157.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 20:53.30 | bleeter | yeah but can easily end up chucking out a really good person and replacing them with fuckwits for years |
| 20:55.01 | bleeter | almost as mad as how the us citizen arnie can be gov of cali but can't become the presidentinator because his mum didn't squeeze him out in the right location |
| 20:56.55 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 20:56.58 | Dagmar | Kids. |
| 20:57.48 | Dagmar | Term-limits exist because we have seen demonstrated time and time again, that without them, corruption and nepotism start taking over with enough prevalence that it's worth taking the risk that the next guy might not be as good. |
| 20:59.10 | Dagmar | The key problem here is that a properly functioning democracy requires a well-educated populace. |
| 20:59.29 | Dagmar | This is something that neither the government, nor the corporations that profit from them, ever want. |
| 20:59.52 | Dagmar | ...because a well-educated populace is considerably harder to fool with bullshit, double-talk, and lies. |
| 21:01.55 | Dagmar | Obviously the system will have problems in a world where Honey Booboo is allowed to roam free. |
| 21:03.42 | karl_w_w | bleeter, john howard is a fantastic argument for term limits |
| 21:16.48 | bleeter | karl_w_w: I'm sure I could find folks who'd say the same about Hawke |
| 21:17.04 | bleeter | For every Mona Lisa, there's a new smart bomb |
| 21:17.04 | bleeter | For every Champs Elysee, there's a Dandenong |
| 21:17.05 | bleeter | For every Mother Theresa, there's a Joseph Stalin |
| 21:17.18 | bleeter | For every Barry Humphries, there's everyone at Channel Ten... |
| 21:18.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Dark_Elf (Dark_Elf@host-69-95-62-234.spr.choiceone.net) |
| 21:20.48 | foxlit | So, Dagmar, your argument is that term limits limit the effect of corruption and nepotism. |
| 21:22.47 | foxlit | I would question whether that actually works, and whether there are different mechanisms that could keep corruption and nepotism away. |
| 21:24.26 | Dagmar | No, that is actually not my argument. |
| 21:24.54 | Dagmar | My argument is that term limits put a maximum on the amount of nepotism and corruption that any one poltician can get into. |
| 21:25.31 | Dagmar | THere are some mechanisms that do a better job, but people are generally squeamish about the liberal application of pitchforks, torches, and fire. |
| 21:26.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@97-86-234-157.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 21:27.01 | Dagmar | We used to have policitians that would *shoot each other* over things. |
| 21:27.10 | Dagmar | I'd like to see a return to those days, personally. |
| 21:27.21 | foxlit | go mob rule! |
| 21:27.34 | Dagmar | Did I say anything about a mob? |
| 21:27.42 | Dagmar | Clearly you're unqualified to have this conversation. |
| 21:28.05 | foxlit | pitchforks, torches and fire certainly conjured that image. |
| 21:28.51 | Dagmar | "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason." |
| 21:29.05 | kd3 | I hope this isn't real |
| 21:29.05 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/g0Zgf6q.jpg |
| 21:29.37 | Dagmar | IT's something someone made but it's hilarious |
| 21:32.38 | Dagmar | You *might* manage to get all those installed before SP1 comes out |
| 21:39.44 | Dagmar | foxlit: If we didn't have term limits, the pitchforks & torches would become _a requirement_ for getting some out of office. |
| 21:40.40 | foxlit | well, if Dagmar says it, I'm clearly convinced. |
| 21:41.42 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: his word should be enough for anyone |
| 21:45.45 | Dagmar | History stands on my side. |
| 21:45.56 | Dagmar | Feel free to learn some of it when you get time. |
| 21:48.21 | foxlit | History is a funny thing, Dagmar. |
| 21:48.25 | bleeter | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA |
| 21:48.27 | foxlit | Things are true until they suddenly aren't. |
| 21:48.34 | bleeter | mmmm nuts |
| 21:48.57 | Dagmar | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reason+for+term+limits |
| 21:49.34 | Dagmar | The funny thing about experience is, you can't see how necessary it is until you have some. |
| 21:50.51 | foxlit | What exactly is it you're experienced in, anyway? |
| 21:50.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Atrumx (~5d6@unaffiliated/fivedeltasix) |
| 21:50.59 | Dagmar | Paying the fuck attention |
| 21:51.29 | bleeter | wait, there's no nepotism in merka because term limits? |
| 21:51.36 | bleeter | ok |
| 21:51.47 | Dagmar | bleeter: You win the epic fail award for today. ;) |
| 21:52.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: the problem is that oftentimes it's impossible to *get* experienced without the initial epic fail stage |
| 21:52.06 | bleeter | *entrenched |
| 21:52.21 | Amarande | this makes certain jobs kind of very difficult to fill effectively, unfortunately :| |
| 21:52.54 | Amarande | you need people who aren't epic fail, but the only way to not be epic fail is to have plenty of experience, but the only way to get experience is to start out at epic fail (unless you're one of the extreme rarities with off the scale natural talent) |
| 21:53.05 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 21:53.21 | Amarande | heh, it can actually be put pretty strongly in an RPG parallel |
| 21:53.32 | Dagmar | I'm the only person here that's not high as a bat, aren't I? |
| 21:54.04 | Amarande | it's like playing an MMO where, once everyone levels up high enough, the lower level areas are patched out of the game in favour of new stuff for the established populace |
| 21:54.13 | Amarande | then, for whatever reason or other, you need to introduce a new character and they're level one ... |
| 21:54.21 | Dagmar | You know, games _used_ to not give you anything like a /con command. They'd just let you find out the hard way you're not up to beating that dragon. |
| 21:55.02 | Amarande | Dagmar: Imagine if, say, WoW decided to give additional leveling by removing the 1-30 level areas so that they could become 91-120 level areas, though. |
| 21:55.26 | Amarande | What do you do when someone needs a new character, and they can't perform effectively at all until they hit 30? :) |
| 21:55.32 | *** join/#wowuidev spode_ (~spode@h-222-47.a258.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 21:55.57 | Amarande | Unfortunately, there are fields in real life that seem almost to have evolved in just that sort of fashion. |
| 21:56.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: You're aware that what you're saying has fuck all to do with the previous thread, right? |
| 21:56.47 | Gnarfoz | wtf is a /con command |
| 21:57.00 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: built in cheat codes, basically. |
| 21:57.02 | Dagmar | "What would you like on your tombstone?" |
| 21:57.19 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 21:57.22 | Dagmar | It was a command that let you /con[sider] whether or not you could beat the selected target. |
| 21:57.28 | Amarande | oh, consider, not console |
| 21:57.32 | Gnarfoz | in which game(s)? |
| 21:57.38 | bleeter | karl_w_w: if we had term limits, should apply to oppn leaders as well. thus, tony wouldn't be up for re-election hmmm actually... ;) |
| 21:57.39 | Gnarfoz | you made it sound like every game has that these days |
| 21:57.43 | Dagmar | EverQuest, and basically every MUD and MOO before that |
| 21:58.01 | Dagmar | Yes, now you get specific level numbers, hit points, and color-coding. |
| 21:58.06 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: it's practically the standard in level-based RPGs lately, especially online ones |
| 21:58.17 | Dagmar | Why do ya think people say it's a 'red con' |
| 21:58.22 | Gnarfoz | you actually don't get level numbers in WoW, but yeah, colour coding, true dat |
| 21:58.27 | Gnarfoz | no idea, which people say that |
| 21:58.43 | kd3 | people who started playing games before wow? |
| 21:58.44 | Dagmar | Fix your unit frames. I get level numbers for anthing that's not a boss or wildly higher level |
| 21:58.49 | Gnarfoz | I only hear people say "that's a retcon", but that's something utterly different |
| 21:58.56 | Dagmar | Again, experience. |
| 21:58.58 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: default unit frames, addons are not part of the game |
| 21:59.21 | kd3 | the default unitframe shows level numbers unless the mob is way outside of your league |
| 21:59.32 | Gnarfoz | kd3: and that's exactly what we were talking about |
| 21:59.44 | kd3 | if it's way out of your league, it's conning red |
| 21:59.59 | Amarande | kd3: actually, it would be purple if it were visible |
| 22:00.02 | Gnarfoz | it's a skull icon, no idea what this "red con" thing is |
| 22:00.04 | Dagmar | Yes and if you're not seeing level numbers for the majority of mobs either you're still level creampuff of you've somehow broken your unit frames. |
| 22:00.30 | Amarande | at least, in most games that I've seen have a con above red, it's purple (LOTRO shows it for quests, Neverwinter Nights had purple con mobs) |
| 22:00.54 | Amarande | Though, on the other hand, few games that don't have a level/con system seem to be ones where level actually *matters* per se |
| 22:01.14 | Amarande | like, as in level itself mattering, as opposed to the benefits acquired *via* leveling |
| 22:01.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: yeah I used to joke that purple was a way of saying "You're _absolutely_ going to die if you screw with that", as opposed to "You're probably going to die if you mess with that" |
| 22:01.43 | Amarande | In most RPGs, level is just a number, it's what you get when you level up that's what really counts |
| 22:02.12 | Amarande | it's mainly MMOs where the level (or rather the level difference between target and attacker) itself is a major factor in the equation |
| 22:02.16 | Dagmar | WEll, in gear-bound games, definitely |
| 22:02.54 | Amarande | and then you have things like JRPG mob levels, where they usually literally are arbitrary numbers |
| 22:03.24 | Amarande | with only a few exceptions like MegaTen type games where you can't recruit an enemy unless you're at least their level |
| 22:04.02 | Amarande | (I forget if Pokemon had a rule like that, I don't think so since YOU don't have a level, only Pokemon do) |
| 22:04.14 | Dagmar | JRPGs have a definite element of cruelty to them |
| 22:05.42 | Amarande | but, like, I just started FFXIII not too long ago, and the enemies' levels don't seem to bear any kind of relation to anything I can think of, heh |
| 22:07.01 | Dagmar | I think you're supposed to guess based on relative cuteness. |
| 22:07.11 | Amarande | hah |
| 22:07.22 | Amarande | this is FFXIII, things aren't cute in this one ... it's one of the grittiest games in the series |
| 22:08.36 | Amarande | probably the grittiest, really. even the super-serious ones like VII and X had some degree of bright and cheery to go in them, I haven't seen *any* of that yet in Cocoon/Pulse |
| 22:16.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@97-86-234-157.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 22:42.17 | jleclanche | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUhdIdXQYOI |
| 22:42.27 | jleclanche | can someone tell me that music at 3:20 ish |
| 22:42.47 | jleclanche | its either really well known or ive heard it somewhere before from x-ray dog or something |
| 22:42.54 | airtonix | jleclanche: Dagmar: know of any good PaaS providers that are going to be *less* affected by the nsa hysteria. normally I use AWS |
| 22:43.08 | airtonix | jleclanche: Dagmar: i've been playing with redhats openshift... |
| 22:43.15 | jleclanche | airtonix: Dotcloud |
| 22:43.17 | Maldivia | jleclanche: you do know music is listed in comments? |
| 22:43.24 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~nevin@c-174-63-97-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 22:43.24 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.26 | jleclanche | Maldivia: thanks for demoronizing me |
| 22:43.53 | airtonix | jleclanche: i tried them a while ago, and their python hello world didn't work for me |
| 22:43.59 | jleclanche | Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Statues (Extended) HD |
| 22:44.02 | jleclanche | .. of course |
| 22:44.04 | jleclanche | how did i not catch that :/ |
| 22:44.19 | jleclanche | airtonix: dotcloud is .. somewhat complex to deal with |
| 22:44.24 | jleclanche | but they are really, really good guys |
| 22:44.34 | airtonix | yeah i liked what they were doing |
| 22:44.50 | jleclanche | I can help out if you need, ive been hosting my client with them |
| 22:45.29 | Amarande | airtonix, what's new with the NSA hysteria? I didn't see anything really new on the Guardian today |
| 22:45.45 | jleclanche | Amarande: he didnt say new |
| 22:45.53 | Amarande | Though I suppose EU companies in particular have to be especially wary about their PaaS providers etc. now |
| 22:45.55 | airtonix | jleclanche: one of the things i'm ho-humming about openshift is i can't point the root of my domain at an ip. they say the ips shift around alot. |
| 22:46.07 | jleclanche | airtonix: dotcloud has the same issue. |
| 22:46.07 | Amarande | since there's not exactly an exception for "foreign intelligence" in the data protection laws |
| 22:46.28 | jleclanche | airtonix: actually somewhat due to that is the lack of support for naked domains |
| 22:46.41 | jleclanche | i look like an idiot not being able to support http://mysite.com |
| 22:46.44 | airtonix | jleclanche: and i really need to have the root, and wildcard subdomains. the latter i can deal with if there is a restful api for organising aliases |
| 22:46.49 | jleclanche | "hey, so uh, type example.com in your address bar" |
| 22:46.52 | jleclanche | "that doesnt work" |
| 22:46.54 | jleclanche | well shit. |
| 22:47.22 | jleclanche | airtonix: subdomains are well managed in dotcloud. |
| 22:47.28 | Dagmar | the fuck |
| 22:47.29 | airtonix | yeah i've just built a ansible playbook... but ansible lacks autoscaling by its nature |
| 22:47.31 | jleclanche | they'll by default all redirect to www.* |
| 22:47.41 | Dagmar | Those people are idiots. |
| 22:47.45 | jleclanche | Dagmar: who? |
| 22:48.27 | jleclanche | airtonix: http://docs.dotcloud.com/guides/domains/ |
| 22:48.28 | jleclanche | more info there |
| 22:48.35 | Dagmar | The people who think there's something special about the origin entry for a zone |
| 22:48.50 | jleclanche | whu? |
| 22:49.00 | airtonix | i think he means the root of a zone? |
| 22:49.14 | Dagmar | Ahh I see. It's because they're using all CNAMEs |
| 22:49.20 | airtonix | not that i'm calling it the right thing |
| 22:49.23 | Dagmar | CNAMEs can not be used at the root of a zone. |
| 22:49.27 | jleclanche | well i mean |
| 22:49.27 | airtonix | yeah sucks |
| 22:49.30 | Dagmar | THey are singleton records. |
| 22:49.37 | jleclanche | if you got a brilliant idea |
| 22:49.42 | jleclanche | go ping the guys over on #dotcloud |
| 22:49.51 | jleclanche | cause im dying to see naked domain support over here |
| 22:49.52 | Dagmar | Should you even manage to get the nameserver to take them, weird shit will happen |
| 22:49.53 | airtonix | Dagmar: if opsworks wasn't based on ruby and erb i'd be all over that |
| 22:50.18 | Dagmar | THey need to learn how to use a fucking load balancer |
| 22:50.31 | Dagmar | Saying "the IPs move around a lot" is a cop out |
| 22:50.45 | airtonix | because normally i create a stack with a nginx balancer layer, then an app layer with n+1 t1.micro app servers then db layer with one c1.small postgress |
| 22:50.51 | jleclanche | they're using AWS for load balancing |
| 22:50.54 | Dagmar | Foundry would be more than happy to sell them the requisite equipment |
| 22:51.22 | Dagmar | If the IP addresses "move around a lot" then they're not exactly doing load "balancing" |
| 22:51.40 | airtonix | Dagmar: i think they're really just doing fancy dynamic cost shifting |
| 22:51.49 | Dagmar | airtonix++ |
| 22:51.51 | jleclanche | as i said |
| 22:51.54 | jleclanche | #dotcloud |
| 22:51.59 | airtonix | "oh your app isn't running? /die" |
| 22:51.59 | jleclanche | ping them, yell at them |
| 22:52.14 | airtonix | redhat openshift does the same thing |
| 22:52.44 | Dagmar | Hell they could get around the problem by using low TTLs and just telling people DNS changes are only propagated every ten minutes |
| 22:52.45 | airtonix | what i really want is for amazon to move out of USA, and use ansible AWX instead of Chef for Opsworks |
| 22:53.47 | airtonix | actually tell me if i'm wrong about this: amazone is a US company? even if I have servers in their Sydney datacenter, the NSA has legal access to them ? |
| 22:53.53 | airtonix | Amazon* |
| 22:54.18 | airtonix | i mean i'm under no illusions that anything stops the NSA getting what they want. |
| 22:54.42 | Dagmar | ...and that's assuming they don't just bribe someone to set them up a backdoor. |
| 22:55.19 | airtonix | well yeah, personally I think trying to avoid the nsa an exercise in futility. |
| 22:55.23 | airtonix | is an* |
| 22:55.41 | airtonix | but customers feel better when you can say the US has no legal access |
| 22:56.19 | jleclanche | i dont think its futile |
| 22:56.40 | airtonix | well i think the Amish are successful |
| 22:56.47 | jleclanche | Thats not what I mean |
| 22:56.58 | jleclanche | making a point of *trying* to avoid servers the nsa has access to is a wallet-vote move |
| 22:56.59 | airtonix | but that's how far you need to go |
| 22:57.30 | airtonix | jleclanche: yeah that's really what I'm talking about. would that mean not using AWS regardless of the datacenter location? |
| 22:57.30 | jleclanche | on a technical level of course, choosing one host over another isnt such a huge deal |
| 22:57.41 | jleclanche | yea |
| 22:57.44 | airtonix | :< |
| 22:57.58 | airtonix | they have such nice infrastructure |
| 22:58.05 | jleclanche | meh. |
| 22:58.12 | jleclanche | i never liked AWS for some reason |
| 22:58.38 | Dagmar | I begin to suspect that the only reason some of these cloud people are in business is because of the number of companies they work with whose employees are completely unqualified for the tasks they're being asked to perform |
| 23:00.35 | airtonix | to some degree |
| 23:01.13 | airtonix | personally I know enough to get to the point where I could attract investors and employ a team that does know their shit. |
| 23:02.51 | airtonix | jleclanche: what does dotcloud use for wsgi application server? |
| 23:03.03 | airtonix | i'd assume uwsgi |
| 23:04.21 | jleclanche | Um |
| 23:04.25 | jleclanche | ive no idea actually |
| 23:04.28 | jleclanche | ah yes |
| 23:04.34 | jleclanche | nginx + uwsgi + supervisor |
| 23:04.55 | airtonix | sigh the 'no naked domain' is a downer for me though |
| 23:07.24 | jleclanche | yeah :/ |
| 23:07.45 | jleclanche | airtonix: there might be a way though |
| 23:07.51 | jleclanche | playing with CNAMEs and having two domain names |
| 23:08.35 | airtonix | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiIXCd1D_TmGdFluZEJQakV5M0QwWXNWaXREcWR0Q0E#gid=0 |
| 23:13.31 | airtonix | jleclanche: clever-cloud seems to let me use naked domains, and they are a french company |
| 23:13.41 | airtonix | http://doc.clever-cloud.com/admin-console/custom-domain-names/ |
| 23:14.54 | jleclanche | never heard of em |
| 23:18.13 | Stanzilla | french is never good |
| 23:24.04 | pompy1 | http://www.tuaw.com/2013/10/18/attention-pokemasters-your-iphone-just-became-a-real-life-poked/ |
| 23:24.27 | airtonix | but i don't have an iphone pompy1 |
| 23:25.10 | pompy1 | neither do i! |
| 23:25.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Aeger73 (~quassel@ip70-176-63-123.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:29.05 | Aeger73 | does anyone have a moment to look at http://pastebin.com/5S1XXyXV I dont understand whats happening at line 124 with a AceConfigCmd slash command |
| 23:29.36 | Aeger73 | I want it to call install at 102 when you type /aui install |
| 23:30.08 | Aeger73 | but it says no handler for install options |
| 23:30.48 | Aeger73 | the button works fine in the GUI, im just not sure what Im doing wrong setting up the slash commands |
| 23:35.36 | Dark_Elf | LibStub("AceConfigCmd-3.0").HandleCommand ? |
| 23:36.00 | nebula169 | Aeger73: try LibStub("AceConfigCmd-3.0").HandleCommand(aegerUI, "aegerUI", "aui", input) |
| 23:36.24 | nebula169 | er, swap second and third args |
| 23:37.58 | Aeger73 | perfect |
| 23:38.02 | Aeger73 | thanks that worked |
| 23:41.19 | Dark_Elf | how long has ace3 had that feature? |
| 23:41.44 | nebula169 | forever |
| 23:42.11 | Dark_Elf | wow i never seen it done in like forever |
| 23:42.17 | nebula169 | although using a config table for console commands is a pretty old usage case |
| 23:44.03 | Dark_Elf | yeah guess i use to seeing the other ways |
| 23:44.52 | Primer | every since updating, wow hangs for several seconds when I login |
| 23:45.06 | Primer | wow, it hung indefinitely this time |
| 23:46.09 | Primer | sigh... |
| 23:46.39 | Primer | Does CC have a log of what it recently updated? |
| 23:47.04 | Dark_Elf | u mean cc still works? |
| 23:47.19 | Primer | I don't recall it ever NOT working... |
| 23:48.52 | Dark_Elf | it should have a log cause the program knows whats been updated somehow that day |
| 23:48.59 | Neffi | cc? |
| 23:49.05 | Primer | Curse Client |
| 23:50.41 | Aeger73 | click help then open client log file |
| 23:50.48 | Primer | yeah, already tehre |
| 23:51.05 | Primer | but it doesn't seem to show what it did with regards to what addons it recently updated |
| 23:51.44 | Primer | just startup, exceptions, things like that |
| 23:52.39 | Primer | yeah, this is useless |
| 23:53.02 | Dark_Elf | so in otherwords u got a bad addon causing wow to hang |
| 23:53.03 | Primer | guess I'll start disabling half my addons |
| 23:53.13 | Primer | Dark_Elf: that's what I'm currently presuming |
| 23:53.50 | Dark_Elf | well had a way to see what folders have todays date be easier |
| 23:55.03 | Primer | yeah, good idea |
| 23:55.37 | Primer | I don't usually trust file or directory timestamps |
| 23:55.52 | Primer | since unzipping a file can set the date to whatever it wants |
| 23:55.53 | Dark_Elf | i will guess its a addon that uses a zoneing library of sorts just to be a nuisance lol |
| 23:56.02 | Primer | so yeah, 3 addons today, disabled all 3 and it's fine |
| 23:56.13 | Primer | NPCscan, Ackis Recipe List, and QuickLook |
| 23:56.32 | Dark_Elf | awe npcscan |
| 23:56.47 | Dark_Elf | put other 2 back lol |
| 23:56.53 | Primer | That one's been getting a lot of updates recently |
| 23:57.11 | Semlar | npc scan managed to break my call pet button |
| 23:57.19 | Dark_Elf | yeah so thats the one i picking on causing the hangs lol |
| 23:57.30 | Primer | that was the first one I disabled |
| 23:57.33 | Primer | and it still hung |
| 23:57.34 | Semlar | not that i've really been using it since they added rare markers on the minimap |
| 23:57.41 | Primer | right now it's looking like it's ARL |
| 23:57.46 | Dark_Elf | bah |
| 23:58.07 | Aeger73 | arl is in my list to update havent done it yet |
| 23:58.11 | Semlar | could easily be quicklook with how experimental that was |
| 23:58.18 | Dark_Elf | ok arl then. still can blame torhal either way lol |
| 23:58.18 | Primer | enabling it now |
| 23:58.34 | Aeger73 | timeless answers just had an update too |
| 23:58.43 | Primer | annnndddd...everything's fine |
| 23:58.53 | Primer | perhaps a SV had something |
| 23:58.57 | Dark_Elf | damn |
| 23:59.02 | Dark_Elf | so its quicklook? |
| 23:59.10 | Primer | no, all are enabled again |
| 23:59.12 | Primer | and it's fine |
| 23:59.29 | Dark_Elf | bah |
| 23:59.42 | Dark_Elf | i give up |
