| 00:00.50 | airtonix | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/17/184208/isohunt-settles-with-mpaa-will-shut-down-and-pay-up-to-110-million |
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| 00:03.06 | Semlar | how does isohunt have $5-6 million |
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| 00:04.21 | airtonix | About as fair as a gourmet restaurant owner suing every grocery store in town out of existance for poaching his 'customers'. |
| 00:04.21 | airtonix | Punchline: Even with all the grocery stores gone the people still cannot afford to dine in the restaurant, and some cant even enter because 'we dont serve people living in your neighborhood'. |
| 00:04.40 | airtonix | Semlar: adverts maybe? |
| 00:05.43 | airtonix | the law says that every time you share an MP3, god kills $150,000 worth of kittens. |
| 00:05.55 | Semlar | tell that to pandora |
| 00:05.58 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.42 | Semlar | i wish somebody would run over the MPAA |
| 00:06.43 | airtonix | so it's obvious that $150,000 worth of kitten exist for each mp3 manufactured at the music factory |
| 00:08.05 | Mr_Rabies | don't worry, Semlar |
| 00:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | they're doing a good enough job at running over themselves |
| 00:09.26 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately they'll probably drag down netflix with them |
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| 00:23.08 | airtonix | http://web.archive.org/web/20071128025806/http://www.grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm |
| 00:23.18 | airtonix | hodir |
| 00:33.05 | airtonix | ha! apple store your passwords in plaintext on their servers. |
| 00:33.08 | airtonix | lawl |
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| 00:40.15 | Neffi | airtonix: source? |
| 00:40.18 | Neffi | that's pretty bad |
| 00:40.29 | Neffi | and probably should be illegal |
| 00:40.40 | Neffi | no service should have access to your plaintext password |
| 00:41.04 | Gnarfoz | and yet, so utterly many store them in plain text or reversible |
| 00:42.24 | Neffi | I don't understand why |
| 00:43.10 | Neffi | I can see some new programmer that doesn't know better doing it, but for a big company, or even any commercial service to be so irresponsible, is baffling |
| 00:43.38 | Gnarfoz | so either you've worked in utopia, or not at all in one of those positions |
| 00:43.57 | Gnarfoz | morons are ubiquitous |
| 00:44.07 | Neffi | Well yes |
| 00:44.26 | Neffi | But it's incredibly bad press in technology circles to find out a company is storing passwords in plaintext |
| 00:44.30 | Gnarfoz | (don't even count the number of times some "manager" wants to be able to tell customers their password) |
| 00:44.34 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 00:44.43 | Gnarfoz | but mainstream doesn't give a shit about press in technology circles |
| 00:44.44 | Neffi | It's in the best interest of a company to not come off as so ... what's the word? |
| 00:44.53 | Gnarfoz | most of their users don't read them |
| 00:44.58 | airtonix | amatuerish? |
| 00:45.03 | Neffi | that's it |
| 00:45.06 | airtonix | retarded? |
| 00:45.10 | airtonix | careless? |
| 00:45.14 | airtonix | clueless? |
| 00:45.16 | Neffi | Security experts care, in security's becoming more and more of a big issue |
| 00:45.19 | airtonix | incompetent? |
| 00:45.31 | airtonix | greedy? |
| 00:45.38 | Neffi | Do you want some news company breaking the story that several security experts are calling you out for blatantly poor practice? |
| 00:45.39 | kd3 | security experts have cared for years. not that big business choose to listen |
| 00:45.53 | Gnarfoz | except when does that happen? never |
| 00:45.59 | Gnarfoz | + users still don't give a fuck |
| 00:46.02 | Gnarfoz | if it works, it works |
| 00:46.15 | Neffi | With the NSA leaks, I wouldn't be surprised if it started happening |
| 00:46.16 | kd3 | unless some "celebrity" gets hacked, it's not like security fails even make the news |
| 00:46.44 | kd3 | s/hacked/"hacked"/ |
| 00:46.48 | Neffi | You've already got techno-journalism websites which never really used to touch that sort of stuff at all, now covering it |
| 00:46.48 | airtonix | greenqloud at the moment will happily send you your new password via email... while it doesn't mean they are storing it in plaintext, it does mean they handle it in plain text before perhaps maybe salting and hashing |
| 00:47.08 | Gnarfoz | techno-journalism is read by... technically inclined people |
| 00:47.22 | Neffi | There's a spectrum there, not a line |
| 00:47.28 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 00:47.34 | Neffi | I would say a few of those tech sites are more mainstream than you're giving them credit for |
| 00:47.48 | airtonix | i really was interested in using greenqloud instead of amazon aws |
| 00:47.51 | Neffi | And from there, word of mouth, and shit like Reddit spread important info pretty well |
| 00:47.52 | Gnarfoz | I would say that's perception bias :p |
| 00:47.58 | Gnarfoz | reddit, ahaha |
| 00:47.59 | Gnarfoz | right! |
| 00:48.24 | Neffi | Not common, but occasionally shit like this makes a front-page post somewhere |
| 00:48.27 | airtonix | YOU DON"T KNOW ME! -- meg, family guy. |
| 00:48.49 | Neffi | Why even risk lessening the public's perception of your capability, and their trust in you? |
| 00:48.58 | Gnarfoz | how many services do you know of that shut down because their userbase ceased existing or even diminished, after they had one (or SEVERAL) security debacles? |
| 00:49.01 | airtonix | oh neffi, who here remembers paul christophoros? |
| 00:49.15 | Neffi | I don't |
| 00:49.17 | Neffi | >_> |
| 00:49.22 | airtonix | i once the internet when you where a |
| 00:49.39 | airtonix | i know the mayor of boston |
| 00:49.44 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: None I can think of =/ |
| 00:49.48 | TC-Work | I think someone broke airtonix |
| 00:50.00 | Semlar | someone had to do it |
| 00:50.02 | kd3 | something something wwebsite on the internet |
| 00:50.32 | airtonix | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/paul-christoforo-ocean-marketing-emails |
| 00:50.51 | airtonix | oh shit the hilarity |
| 00:50.57 | Neffi | Well to some extent, pifts classifies |
| 00:51.18 | Gnarfoz | WhatsApp: #1 plain text proto all the way. #2 you could impersonate users. #3 you could take over user accounts... and that was all within a year IIRC. |
| 00:51.31 | Neffi | "Well Norton's not great, but it's not terrible" pifts.exe happens -> "why the fuck do you have Norton?" |
| 00:51.39 | Gnarfoz | wtf is pifts.exe |
| 00:51.40 | A-KO | I use Norton... |
| 00:51.41 | A-KO | works great here |
| 00:51.48 | airtonix | you also use windows |
| 00:51.55 | airtonix | so not a valid view point |
| 00:51.56 | Neffi | Google it |
| 00:52.40 | Neffi | A-KO: teehee |
| 00:53.06 | A-KO | works great here, too (Windows) |
| 00:53.12 | Neffi | Avira if you really want realtime protection. A few others are alright too, but that's my go-to recommendation. I just do fairly regular scans with MBAM free. |
| 00:53.14 | A-KO | well, short of some driver bugs I had earlier that are fixed... |
| 00:53.25 | A-KO | Neffi: Norton's got a pretty good IPS thing going on which is why I use it |
| 00:53.30 | A-KO | super fast, also |
| 00:53.33 | A-KO | doesn't really slow down my PC |
| 00:53.40 | A-KO | buuut...SSD with 500MB/sec performance...so... |
| 00:53.55 | Neffi | The realtime accesses are what slow down |
| 00:54.02 | Neffi | Chewing up CPU every time you access a file |
| 00:54.17 | Neffi | If it works for you, that's fine |
| 00:54.22 | A-KO | Neffi: If it does I don't notice it--at all. Ever. |
| 00:54.29 | A-KO | os: Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - (6.3.9600) 64-bit up: 36mins 42secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770K CPU @ 3.50GHz at 3901MHz (19% Load) ram: 3481 / 16345MB (21.3%) [||--------] gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 -2GB hdd: Free Space: 193.4GB/476.31GB System Temp: SpeedFanC CPU Temp: SpeedFanC GPU Temp: SpeedFan |
| 00:54.42 | Gnarfoz | then you've probably got a cpu from the last 5 years that didn't cost $20 |
| 00:54.42 | Neffi | I just don't recommend it, because their track record is not great, and they've done nothing to stand out as one of the better products |
| 00:54.43 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:54.58 | Neffi | Whereas Avira has consistently stood out pretty well in regular objective tests |
| 00:59.21 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/x6bGxD7.jpg <- necessary feature for an elevator? |
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| 00:59.45 | airtonix | it's for those quick pranks |
| 00:59.57 | A-KO | BitDefender ranks very high in performance and detection |
| 01:00.01 | A-KO | but I can never get a solid answer from them |
| 01:01.05 | Neffi | I hate waking up early |
| 01:01.12 | Neffi | I wanna play Skyrim, but I also really wanna sleep |
| 01:19.12 | Dagmar | KNow what ranks higher? Whitelisting. |
| 01:19.26 | Stanzilla | http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/17/this-is-the-nexus-5-in-full-size-official-press-photo-glory/ |
| 01:19.28 | Neffi | in regards to? |
| 01:19.40 | Dagmar | Infected until proven clean. |
| 01:19.54 | Neffi | "proven" |
| 01:20.26 | Dagmar | Yes. As in "I just installed it from a DVD so it's probably okay, but check it out with the remote index anyway |
| 01:20.56 | Neffi | If you run the software in that environment, you can't guarantee the environment itself is not masking problems |
| 01:20.57 | Dagmar | ...and "Adobe Flashplayer just dropped this strange exe into my cache. FUck scanning it. Lock that bitch down." |
| 01:21.23 | Neffi | This theoretically extends all the way down. Booting to a live CD to verify? Well what if the mainboard's firmware is compromised? |
| 01:21.34 | kd3 | then you have bigger problems |
| 01:21.41 | Neffi | Exactly |
| 01:21.43 | kd3 | of the nuke and pave variety |
| 01:21.49 | Dagmar | Then you're fucked, but if you wait until after you're infected to install antivirus, you're insane |
| 01:21.54 | Neffi | it's pretty impractical to assume you can prove you're not infected |
| 01:22.04 | Neffi | You should always assume you can't |
| 01:22.14 | airtonix | Stanzilla: i like that it has a plastic back now |
| 01:22.17 | Dagmar | I prefer to assume that if I haven't seen the binary before, it's malware. |
| 01:22.29 | kd3 | we can't prove randomly created huge numbers are prime either, but we're pretty confident that they are. it's the same with malware |
| 01:22.42 | Stanzilla | airtonix: yeah |
| 01:22.48 | A-KO | My firmware is locked down :P |
| 01:22.51 | A-KO | only supports signed updates |
| 01:22.57 | A-KO | and TPM with secure boot locks it further |
| 01:23.14 | Dagmar | Whitlisting means having to check against a database of 8,000 known safe files instead of 800,000 known malicious files |
| 01:23.14 | Neffi | And that's why security is a matter of confidence |
| 01:23.16 | A-KO | "good luck" on any of my machines |
| 01:23.18 | A-KO | :P |
| 01:23.45 | Neffi | And I choose to be confident knowing that I'm careful with how I use my computer, I use good software, and on the offchance that something slipped through, either MBAM will catch it or it probably won't be caught |
| 01:23.56 | Dagmar | A-KO: Until the vendor decides your driver needs to give unprotect modules raw hardware access |
| 01:24.08 | Dagmar | Your vendor trusts it's own code, so that's good enough for TPM |
| 01:24.20 | Dagmar | Your TPM does not trust _you_ |
| 01:24.32 | Neffi | Or until a third party has cracked the signing keys, and that hasn't been disclosed |
| 01:24.39 | Neffi | It's always possible that you're infected |
| 01:25.31 | A-KO | I don't care about certain 3rd parties cracking anything |
| 01:25.53 | A-KO | what I do know is that your average ukranian malware author isn't :P |
| 01:25.55 | A-KO | so |
| 01:26.20 | Dagmar | I have a bigger concern someone like Sony will decide they need to install a trivially compromisable module on my machine without telling me |
| 01:26.28 | Dagmar | ...because they've done it before. |
| 01:26.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:27.08 | Dagmar | Some of their audio CDs were autoinstalling a DRM bootstrap that gave raw hardware access, and was trivially compromisable |
| 01:27.10 | Neffi | And that's why I'm pretty iffy installing anything |
| 01:27.19 | Neffi | I only install Java out of necessity |
| 01:27.37 | Neffi | If it doesn't offer what I consider essential functionality, it doesn't have a place on my machine |
| 01:27.50 | Neffi | Which is why I think it's morally questionable to load PCs with adware out of the factory |
| 01:28.14 | Primer | I think it's morally questionable to run anything other than open source! |
| 01:28.42 | Neffi | Primer: I'll wager a fair amount of money that you run at least 1 piece of closed-source software |
| 01:28.54 | Primer | of course I do |
| 01:29.19 | Primer | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 01:29.19 | Primer | nvidia 9367981 45 |
| 01:29.22 | Primer | ^^^^^^ |
| 01:29.26 | Neffi | Proprietary isn't evil. It's a means to an end. Most of the world is a capitalistic economy. |
| 01:29.52 | Neffi | I bet you also have non-free codecs. And I'm better you have more binary blobs than just NVidia's |
| 01:29.54 | airtonix | BURN THE WITCH! |
| 01:29.59 | Neffi | And I doubt your firmware is open source |
| 01:30.12 | Primer | this isn't a laptop |
| 01:30.19 | Neffi | You can't crucify a business just for being a business |
| 01:30.23 | Neffi | This isn't Utopia |
| 01:30.37 | kd3 | sure you can. this isn't utopia. |
| 01:30.52 | airtonix | hodir |
| 01:30.55 | Neffi | lol kd3 |
| 01:31.05 | Neffi | That was kind of clever |
| 01:31.37 | Neffi | Primer: Wait, yo're in #wowuidev |
| 01:31.40 | Neffi | The dev channel for WoW |
| 01:31.45 | Neffi | The popular closed-source MMO |
| 01:32.05 | Neffi | rms wouldn't look too kindly upon you |
| 01:32.46 | Primer | RMS doesn't look kindly upon anyone |
| 01:33.04 | kd3 | holy crap, cyan is taking another shot at a myst-like |
| 01:33.19 | kd3 | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cyaninc/obduction |
| 01:33.44 | airtonix | it will fail because there is no linux client |
| 01:34.40 | airtonix | what kind of idiot makes a computer game these days without honouring our lord and saviours wisdom to herlad in the most magnificent operating system seen in the last fourteen centuries? |
| 01:35.02 | Neffi | you mean Plan9? |
| 01:35.30 | airtonix | if by "plan9" you mean "Linux" then yes. |
| 01:35.46 | Neffi | what about fBSD, oBSD? |
| 01:35.46 | airtonix | i'm glad you're on the same wavelength as me. |
| 01:37.03 | Dagmar | kd3: I think their next game shoudl involve a deep and complex crafting system |
| 01:37.19 | Dagmar | ...and then not explain the recipes *anywhere* |
| 01:37.20 | kd3 | a massive fetch quest involving ~38 different items? |
| 01:37.25 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 01:37.37 | airtonix | 16 wolf pelts |
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| 02:00.13 | Neffi | Glossing over the details of Plan9 again. It was really an exercise in OS design bliss. |
| 02:00.28 | Neffi | It's so god-damned beautiful |
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| 02:39.29 | pompy | oh nice, one of these sites . http://isitblizzconyet.com/ |
| 02:43.24 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 02:43.44 | Mr_Rabies | are there any arguments available to be passed to the new bnet launcher? |
| 02:43.57 | Mr_Rabies | like Launcher.exe /WOW or something to launch wow? |
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| 02:58.02 | nebula169 | Wow-64.exe to launch wow |
| 02:58.04 | nebula169 | :p |
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| 03:03.15 | Mr_Rabies | well, yeah |
| 03:03.25 | Mr_Rabies | but it won't go through the launcher and auto-log me in :( |
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| 03:23.14 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=699088900121111&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 |
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| 04:03.07 | Fisker | it happened Stanzilla |
| 04:03.19 | Stanzilla | Fisker: what |
| 04:03.21 | Stanzilla | the pic leaks? |
| 04:03.42 | Fisker | https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_5_black_16gb |
| 04:03.56 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 04:16.47 | Neffi | Out of curiosity |
| 04:17.10 | Neffi | Assuming you had a lot of disposable income, what would you be willing to pay for a modded case as nice as the ones here: http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/ |
| 04:18.14 | Neffi | Assuming it would come with everything sans the PC parts: cooling setup, fans, etc |
| 04:18.16 | nebula169 | never understood case moding, i like something simple and unobnoxious |
| 04:18.52 | Neffi | I would say some of the Murder Boxes are quite simple and unobnoxious |
| 04:19.25 | Neffi | I like this one http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2011/murderbox-mk2/murderbox-mk2.htm |
| 04:20.55 | Iriel | Neffi: that one's nicely done. |
| 04:22.12 | Neffi | My brother's an architecture major and he loved some of the stuff I showed him. If we can pool together some cash, we're considering starting a business around custom case designs |
| 04:22.38 | Iriel | Places like Falcon NorthWest charge quite a lot to just PAINT a case |
| 04:22.48 | Neffi | I figure start out primarily doing high-end case mods, geared towards high-end PCs, optimized for good silent cooling |
| 04:23.04 | Neffi | We would do entire original designs |
| 04:23.59 | Neffi | But it would need to make sense profit-wise. Considering a mid-high-end case and cooling equipment, it could easily be a $400 investment per-case |
| 04:29.49 | kd3 | oh, gah. today's xkcd is entirely too true |
| 04:31.03 | Neffi | Glad I have an uncommon last name |
| 04:31.29 | kd3 | I thought I had an uncommon one until I realized there's a town in england with the name... |
| 04:31.48 | kd3 | several, actually |
| 04:31.59 | Neffi | oh jeez |
| 04:37.07 | Fisker | so are you getting one yourself or what Stanzilla ? |
| 04:38.06 | Neffi | Good album to keep on hand if you find yourself debating people often: http://imgur.com/gallery/mBWBD |
| 04:38.41 | Neffi | Of course if you debate people that make thorough use of logical fallacies, often times they'll employ logical fallacy to explain how they're not using logical fallacies |
| 04:40.33 | kd3 | scary thought about wow playtime: http://i.imgur.com/4WVvzYa.png |
| 04:41.12 | Neffi | Good thing I play an elf |
| 04:41.44 | sintAcks | o.O |
| 04:41.57 | sintAcks | why is Sin(tacs|drood|roll) turning into Sin(tacs|drood|cff7dc6fboll) when I type the ) ... |
| 04:42.35 | kd3 | looks like it's encoding a color? |
| 04:42.44 | Neffi | Is this in WoW? It could be improperly escaped |, or an addon mucking around and not properly handling | |
| 04:42.54 | sintAcks | it's in wow while typing in an edit box. |
| 04:43.06 | sintAcks | I wonder if it's something with Misspelled |
| 04:43.07 | Neffi | Perhaps they are hooking the chat frame to do "clever" stuff and don't know how to properly work around the | |
| 04:43.14 | sintAcks | cuz it colors words that are misspelled |
| 04:43.18 | Neffi | Definitely could be |
| 04:43.25 | sintAcks | but it doesn't do it until the roll |
| 04:43.30 | Neffi | Misspelled is the only addon I know of that manipulates the edit box like that |
| 04:43.42 | sintAcks | so really, doesn't do it until the ) |
| 04:43.42 | Neffi | Disable & test? |
| 04:43.50 | sintAcks | reload UI takes too long |
| 04:43.51 | sintAcks | lol. |
| 04:43.57 | sintAcks | i don't see me tuyping that that often |
| 04:44.06 | sintAcks | 40:26|[R][90:Sinroll]: unless your name is Sin(tacs|drood| roll) cuz he'll let you die |
| 04:44.11 | sintAcks | was the reason i was even typing it |
| 04:44.11 | Neffi | If it's Ace-like, it might have a :Disable() method |
| 04:44.17 | Neffi | or a Disable option in the GUI |
| 04:44.38 | nebula169 | |r is escaped |
| 04:46.03 | Stanzilla | Fisker: not sure |
| 04:48.01 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/oytQKE3.jpg |
| 04:48.16 | Neffi | Now, why don't my teachers/professors have handwriting like that? |
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| 05:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | s |
| 05:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | i wish there was something like TSM with a better interface :/ |
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| 09:54.49 | VIad | Hmm, a bit unsure about the terminology. I'd like to create a wireless network, but, I'd like to use my WIFI card on my computer as the router :P |
| 09:55.36 | VIad | I.e. I'd like to basically have a SSID broadcasted and let people connect to it and access the internet. I know netsh can create networks, but it's limited, so I was wondering maybe this thing had some name I can google, just goggling "wifi router" doesn't exactly help much :P |
| 09:57.38 | wereHamster | jnwhiteh, yes, that's me |
| 09:57.55 | Fisker | who is you wereHamster? |
| 09:59.36 | wereHamster | ~wereHamster |
| 09:59.36 | purl | somebody said werehamster was not scary, but Shaggy |
| 09:59.55 | Fisker | hey shaggy |
| 09:59.57 | Fisker | wana shag? |
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| 10:11.16 | xyphoid | VIad: try hostapd |
| 10:12.01 | VIad | seems like I gotta run virtual ubuntu or something to get that running, I'll keep looking for a windows alternative for the moment |
| 10:12.36 | xyphoid | try 'windows wireless ap' |
| 10:12.39 | xyphoid | instead of router |
| 10:18.00 | karl_w_w | poor warrior |
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| 10:18.20 | karl_w_w | i had a board full of minions, he brawled and the only thing left was my 14/14 lightspawn |
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| 10:37.36 | haste | Fisker: damn you danish people, you all sound so alike |
| 10:37.51 | Kalroth | pøl |
| 10:38.03 | Kalroth | se |
| 10:38.34 | haste | fridays are the new mondays at work |
| 10:38.51 | haste | seems like everything stupid that can happen happens exactly as I go out to lunch |
| 10:40.53 | Fisker | What lunch? |
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| 10:44.20 | haste | exactly! |
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| 10:59.43 | karl_w_w | learn to leave for lunch earlier haste |
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| 11:06.05 | haste | not that easy! |
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| 11:23.09 | karl_w_w | got a package delivered today |
| 11:23.18 | karl_w_w | on the front is written "no such street" |
| 11:24.19 | Dagmar | Someone tried to send it USPS first, didn't they |
| 11:25.21 | Dagmar | My office has about 140 people in it. According to the post office, we do not exist. ;) |
| 11:26.14 | Dagmar | WE've got our own zip code, and occasionally things get sent to us with the sort of generic ZIP for Nashville |
| 11:27.33 | Fisker | in b4 yo momma jokes |
| 11:28.20 | Kalroth | yo momma |
| 11:28.38 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 11:28.43 | Fisker | :) |
| 11:28.48 | Kalroth | there's a virus |
| 11:28.54 | Fisker | where? |
| 11:29.02 | Alram | fisker.exe |
| 11:29.08 | haste | TNT always end up doing "no such address", then give it to the norwegian post office... |
| 11:29.10 | Fisker | no Alram |
| 11:29.13 | Fisker | stahp |
| 11:29.17 | Alram | ok |
| 11:29.23 | Fisker | :) |
| 11:29.27 | Alram | :) |
| 11:29.30 | haste | buy me a waterphone Fisker |
| 11:29.49 | Fisker | TNT always end up exploding in my world |
| 11:29.55 | Fisker | water phone? |
| 11:30.05 | haste | waterphone |
| 11:30.12 | Fisker | get a Nexus 5 |
| 11:30.13 | karl_w_w | throws a motorola startac and a bucket of water at haste |
| 11:30.21 | Fisker | getting one Alram ? |
| 11:30.29 | haste | it's an instrument! |
| 11:30.45 | haste | nexus 5 needs to be announced |
| 11:30.57 | karl_w_w | and instrument of mass wetstruction |
| 11:31.09 | karl_w_w | it was announced haste |
| 11:31.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/17/this-is-the-nexus-5-in-full-size-official-press-photo-glory/ |
| 11:31.22 | Fisker | they need to not fuck up again |
| 11:31.22 | karl_w_w | see |
| 11:31.33 | Fisker | waiting a month sucks |
| 11:32.07 | Fisker | not an announcement karl_w_w |
| 11:32.11 | Kalroth | u suxx |
| 11:32.39 | Fisker | I don't |
| 11:33.11 | karl_w_w | it doesnt seem exciting Fisker |
| 11:33.19 | karl_w_w | it's just a nexus 4 a bit bigger, no? |
| 11:33.28 | Fisker | no |
| 11:35.01 | karl_w_w | ok |
| 11:36.14 | Fisker | good |
| 11:37.12 | Fisker | 1337 |
| 11:37.16 | Fisker | woop |
| 11:37.25 | Fisker | mad Alram ? |
| 11:37.45 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 11:37.53 | karl_w_w | kitkat? is that real Fisker? |
| 11:38.00 | Fisker | yes karl_w_w |
| 11:38.05 | karl_w_w | jeez |
| 11:38.16 | Fisker | what? |
| 11:38.19 | karl_w_w | i wanted some tasty key lime pie |
| 11:38.27 | karl_w_w | not some branded chocolate bar |
| 11:38.41 | karl_w_w | on the plus side I love kitkats |
| 11:38.52 | karl_w_w | so I'm sure it might work out perhaps |
| 11:39.11 | Fisker | unfortunately noone could be told what the key lime pie is |
| 11:41.00 | karl_w_w | classified? |
| 11:41.19 | Fisker | nope |
| 11:41.25 | Alram | what Fisker |
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| 11:54.31 | drakku | hi guys |
| 11:55.12 | drakku | its possible to create a castbar with the same style of default castbar? :P |
| 11:55.44 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/N2WEx <- i have a huge mancrush on tom hiddleston |
| 11:55.54 | zenzio | I'm not sure what you mean drakku... sounds basically just like duplicating it? |
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| 11:57.09 | mikma | "DAMMIT IMGUR WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I ONLY HAVE SO MANY PANTIES" |
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| 12:11.37 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/ickb5vo |
| 12:12.26 | VIad | ;) |
| 12:13.01 | Fisker | why would you even use cmd mikma ? |
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| 12:13.53 | Fisker | also nothing Alram I was just excited that it was 13:37 :( |
| 12:17.54 | mikma | fisker: every now and then and when i do, i write ifconfig instead of ipconfig |
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| 12:20.31 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:20.41 | Fisker | I never had that issue |
| 12:20.47 | drakku | zenzio: yep |
| 12:21.41 | zenzio | so... "I" vanished from IRC 13 minutes ago. Now I get an SMS from my power provider saying they've detected a problem in my area. Guess that explains it |
| 12:22.14 | Fisker | poor you |
| 12:22.24 | zenzio | I know, right? :( |
| 12:22.49 | zenzio | thankfully I'm going to my dad's place after work, so my power ought to be back by the time I get home |
| 12:23.30 | karl_w_w | it's official, fanboy has been replaced by fanbloke |
| 12:23.37 | karl_w_w | conform to the new way. conform! |
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| 12:24.01 | Fisker | I don't even know what power outage means these days zenzio |
| 12:24.29 | zenzio | :-/ |
| 12:27.48 | karl_w_w | yeah, my power hasn't gone out in at least, oh, 2 months! |
| 12:27.51 | Fisker | so on a scale from zero to zilch how many headless horseman mounts will I get this year? |
| 12:28.04 | karl_w_w | 14 |
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| 12:45.05 | karl_w_w | didnt steam used to remember credit card details? |
| 12:46.32 | karl_w_w | or at least billing address |
| 12:52.07 | Kalroth | it still remembers mine |
| 12:52.14 | Kalroth | at least it did yesterday :( |
| 12:52.25 | Kalroth | maybe it expired |
| 12:55.00 | karl_w_w | maybe they resetted it or something |
| 12:55.09 | karl_w_w | maybe they got the haxxed! |
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| 12:56.09 | drakku | its possible to create a castbar with the same style of blizzard default castbar? |
| 13:16.15 | jleclanche | Filtering is going to be ineffective. You have to filter all types of VPN and proxy to be sure, and that then stops lots of very legitimate uses. As one MP said, they VPN in to the parliament network, but to ensure people cannot access porn you have to block all VPNs. Indeed, you would have to block all encrypted traffic and hence stop access to banks. If you don't porn sites will simply switch to using https. |
| 13:16.16 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 13:16.23 | jleclanche | forcing porn sites to switch to https |
| 13:16.29 | jleclanche | suddenly I am in favour of filtering |
| 13:17.20 | Fisker | meh |
| 13:17.41 | Fisker | Just ruin https |
| 13:17.43 | Fisker | easy enough |
| 13:24.18 | jleclanche | Can someone tell me if there are actual very high resolution PC monitors available on the market? |
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| 13:31.24 | Fisker | beyond 2560x1600? |
| 13:31.39 | Fisker | I think Asus has a 4K PC monitor |
| 13:31.45 | Fisker | but other than that, I don't think so |
| 13:35.11 | zenzio | I would guess there is some highly specialized monitors available |
| 13:35.22 | zenzio | but probably not for regular computers |
| 13:36.16 | Fisker | Yeah probably |
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| 14:32.09 | TC-Work | Shirik: Looks like our hatred for the definition of 'litteral' is a bit of a hypocracy. |
| 14:32.21 | Ackis | I upgrade to Win 8.1 and the damn thing turned 3D on for all my games |
| 14:32.36 | TC-Work | I totally forgot to do that last night |
| 14:33.04 | TC-Work | literal* |
| 14:33.11 | Ackis | TC-Work: if you're going to do it via RDP once you install it you won't be able to RDP in to your machine until you actually get a chance to physically sit at the box |
| 14:33.29 | TC-Work | I don't use RDP, i use logmein |
| 14:33.46 | TC-Work | RDP's GFX emujlation stuff gives me trouble |
| 14:33.50 | TC-Work | emulation* |
| 14:33.51 | Ackis | probably will have the same issue as RDP |
| 14:33.58 | Ackis | mine was stuck on a license agreement page |
| 14:34.10 | TC-Work | Oh, like that |
| 14:34.21 | TC-Work | Yea, just another reason I want an IP KVM. |
| 14:37.31 | Ackis | that would be sexy |
| 14:37.54 | Ackis | I think my next network project will be to get WoL working for my machine, my wifes and our laptop... maybe the NASes if they support it |
| 14:38.54 | TC-Work | Or don't put them to sleep |
| 14:39.02 | TC-Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.22 | TC-Work | Although we did go over that I think |
| 14:39.27 | Ackis | aye |
| 14:39.45 | TC-Work | Did you ever decide on anything? |
| 14:42.44 | karl_w_w | hypocrisy* |
| 14:43.02 | TC-Work | Yea, that too |
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| 14:45.57 | Ackis | TC-Work: no, still sitting on the fence... I did try out the virtual machine like you mentioned but from what we talked aobut it sounds like I had it configured poorly so it was running terribly, or I put the wrong type of OS on it |
| 14:47.26 | TC-Work | Unfortunately it's rather difficult to 'try out' using another computer. |
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| 14:52.38 | Ackis | I'm still thinking of just getting an older PC for $100, throwing a $50 801.11 ac card in it and calling it a day |
| 14:53.12 | bluworkcow | ah no |
| 14:53.18 | bluworkcow | that would make it a PC |
| 14:53.19 | bluworkcow | not a day |
| 14:53.26 | Ackis | quiet aussie |
| 14:53.42 | TC-Work | Wow, slap in the face. |
| 14:53.59 | bluworkcow | *gasp* |
| 14:54.03 | bluworkcow | oh noe he didn't! |
| 14:54.18 | TC-Work | Oh yes he di-ud. |
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| 14:57.18 | karl_w_w | http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2011/03/tk_what_really_happened_to_nat.php lols |
| 14:58.01 | TC-Work | Ackis: Alternatively http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Computing-Gigabit-i3-3217U-DC3217IYE/dp/B0093LINVK |
| 14:58.22 | TC-Work | It's a bit more but potentially better in the long run |
| 14:59.18 | TC-Work | Bah, nvm |
| 14:59.25 | TC-Work | It doesn't come with enough components |
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| 15:25.11 | VIad1 | anyone good at iptables command? |
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| 15:30.23 | Maldivia | command: yes, arguments: no :) |
| 15:31.45 | Arrowmaster | pompy: hotel is finally paid for |
| 15:32.48 | Humbedooh | grumbles at Arrowmaster |
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| 15:49.53 | jleclanche | i wish github would let you set an external issue tracker |
| 15:50.07 | jleclanche | so that if you had #1234 in your commit message it would link there |
| 15:50.33 | jleclanche | and the "Issues" tab could link there eventually too |
| 15:50.35 | jleclanche | tekkub: ^^^ |
| 15:51.52 | pompy | http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/introducing-nvidia-g-sync-revolutionary-ultra-smooth-stutter-free-gaming |
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| 15:52.32 | jleclanche | http://goo.gl/afv32t |
| 15:52.33 | jleclanche | DAMN. |
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| 16:04.46 | TC-Work | jleclanche: Good drawing, bad context. |
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| 16:11.19 | Fisker | poor VIad2 |
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| 16:11.28 | VIad2 | :P |
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| 16:34.02 | Neffi | God, I really distrust Bose |
| 16:34.25 | Neffi | Left speaker just cut out for several minutes. No strange feedback, no loose connections. Cut back in eventually. |
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| 16:46.59 | TC-Work | Neffi: Is this the stuff your dad got from a 2nd hand store? |
| 16:47.09 | Neffi | yup |
| 16:47.12 | Neffi | wait, no |
| 16:47.29 | Neffi | The Bose speakers were given to him by a freind. They're pretty much brand new, never used |
| 16:48.04 | TC-Work | And what they are plugged into? |
| 16:48.12 | TC-Work | also 'like new'? |
| 16:48.15 | Neffi | computer |
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| 16:53.16 | bluworkcow | http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/10/18/blizzard-wins-2-year-legal-battle-against-wow-bot-creator/ |
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| 17:01.28 | Fisker | woop bluworkcow |
| 17:08.09 | Fisker | oh my Lopeppeppy |
| 17:08.14 | Fisker | sneaker! |
| 17:08.30 | Fisker | almost evaded your fish today |
| 17:08.33 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | I've been a busy busy rogue - homecoming weekend. |
| 17:09.20 | nicoli_s | you going to the homecoming dance Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:09.21 | Fisker | Ah |
| 17:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | No f'ing way. |
| 17:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm editing the websites with all the f'ing schedule changes though. |
| 17:10.06 | Fisker | manual labor |
| 17:10.08 | Fisker | hate it |
| 17:10.20 | Fisker | I did that once |
| 17:10.48 | Fisker | I ported 3000 phone numbers to our new phone system |
| 17:11.16 | Lopeppeppy | Price I pay for being good at what I do - I do it HARD on the big event weekends. |
| 17:11.19 | Fisker | And I was like "but we're running two systems, won't that impact it?" |
| 17:11.20 | Fisker | nope.avi |
| 17:11.22 | Fisker | day after |
| 17:11.24 | Fisker | no phones work |
| 17:11.25 | Fisker | k |
| 17:11.33 | Fisker | So i ported 3000 phone numbers back again |
| 17:11.35 | Fisker | woop |
| 17:14.00 | Fisker | mmm |
| 17:14.05 | Fisker | almost dinnertime |
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| 17:28.09 | Neffi | Now I don't agree with bots whatsoever. I think they're fucking stupid, hurtful to the game's health, and a scar on gaming in general |
| 17:28.19 | Neffi | But I don't see how they can be justified as illegal |
| 17:28.33 | Ressy | They're against Blizzard's ToU |
| 17:28.39 | Neffi | Sure |
| 17:28.50 | Ressy | Its not illegal... But they're infringing. |
| 17:29.12 | Neffi | As much I hate the individuals who make these bots, and partake in hurting the gaming space, I don't think the court should have the power to enforce those terms |
| 17:29.25 | kd3 | go read the decision? it lays out the court's justification |
| 17:29.26 | Seerah | They are enforcing the terms of a contract and copyright |
| 17:29.30 | Fisker | If they shouldn't then there would be no point in terms |
| 17:30.11 | Neffi | I disagree. The point of the terms is to give Blizzard justification in restricting their users' access to the game client and the server |
| 17:30.20 | Seerah | they are |
| 17:30.26 | Fisker | Yes but Blizzard is not the only one making contracts |
| 17:30.33 | Neffi | But shutting down somebody who is making a bot doesn't fall within that |
| 17:30.52 | Ressy | the bot itself infringes on copyright. |
| 17:30.53 | Neffi | Revoke their access to use the game client, fine. But to tell them to stop developing something, seems wrong |
| 17:30.54 | Seerah | yes it does. |
| 17:30.56 | kd3 | go. read. the. decision. |
| 17:31.04 | Ressy | ^ |
| 17:31.33 | Fisker | yeah they probably unfortunately got it shut down based on copyright infringement again :( |
| 17:32.05 | bluworkcow | apparently reading is hard for some people |
| 17:32.28 | kd3 | I don't recall seeing anything about copyright this time (as compared to the glider decision). |
| 17:32.33 | Neffi | Relax. I read the linked pdf |
| 17:32.41 | kd3 | actually, yah, ctrl+f copyright on the decision came up blank |
| 17:32.43 | Neffi | I'm arguing against their decision, not ignoring it |
| 17:32.58 | Fisker | Defendants, and all persons under Defendants’ direction, supervision, and/or control are prohibited from transferring or assigning the Software or its source code, to any individual or entity other than Blizzard, including by making available or uploading the software to Google Code, or otherwise “open sourcing” the source code for the Software. |
| 17:33.00 | Fisker | oddly specific :O |
| 17:33.28 | Ressy | Well, the code itself is infringing. |
| 17:33.30 | Fisker | But this is just the judgement kd3 |
| 17:33.32 | Fisker | not anything else |
| 17:34.17 | Fisker | I want to read it all :O |
| 17:34.37 | Neffi | It seems like a perversion that copyright can give the artist the power to tell you, after you've legally obtained a copy, how you can use said copy in the privacy of your own home |
| 17:34.40 | Fisker | Great now I've apparently been sold |
| 17:34.53 | Neffi | Banning access to servers, blacklisting the owner, etc are reasonable |
| 17:35.32 | Neffi | But restricting usage ventures into a sticky area |
| 17:35.47 | jleclanche | TC-Work: context? |
| 17:35.49 | jleclanche | what context |
| 17:35.49 | Neffi | Blizzard already has the power to render the game clinet all but useless |
| 17:35.51 | Ressy | Well, to get the bot working in the first place, the author needs to be in-game to make it work. |
| 17:36.05 | Neffi | Not if he does it solely by reverse engineering |
| 17:36.11 | Ressy | Which is against ToU |
| 17:36.16 | Fisker | that's copyright infringement |
| 17:36.47 | Neffi | Which is totally fine to say "if you reverse engineer, you'll be banned". But a copy legally obtained shouldn't be restricted in its usage. |
| 17:36.56 | Lopeppeppy | starts chanting IANAL under her breath |
| 17:36.56 | Neffi | I understand what's currently legal and not |
| 17:37.10 | Ressy | The copy may have been legally obtained, but the software itself isn't legal |
| 17:37.36 | Fisker | That didn't seem to be the case when you started the discussion |
| 17:37.39 | Neffi | Once again, I'm saying it should be |
| 17:37.57 | kd3 | great. go sue blizz and get the caselaw changed |
| 17:38.23 | Gnarfoz | or licenses in general |
| 17:38.31 | Neffi | heh |
| 17:38.57 | Gnarfoz | you don't own so many things you'd assume you own; in reality, you're just renting or leasing them |
| 17:39.03 | Gnarfoz | it'd be laughable if it wasn't sad |
| 17:39.09 | Neffi | To get technical, one wouldn't sue blizz. As I understand our legislature, they'd have to take this on appeal to the Supreme Court and have it deemed unconstitutional. |
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| 17:39.29 | Ressy | Which would mean they'd need Congress to overhaul copyright law. |
| 17:39.30 | Gnarfoz | I doubt you'd start at the highest instance right away. |
| 17:39.34 | Neffi | Which is hugely unlikely |
| 17:39.42 | Ressy | It'd go to appeals court.. |
| 17:39.43 | Neffi | Well no, you'd work your way up |
| 17:39.50 | Gnarfoz | so you'd have to sue *someone* first |
| 17:39.51 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:40.17 | Ressy | Funny thing is that they sued Blizzard in Texas first.. Blizzard responded with this lawsuit. |
| 17:40.24 | Gnarfoz | well, no, no idea if there's something like what I'm thinking of in US law system |
| 17:40.54 | Neffi | Any court can throw it out on appeal, which sets precedent. But the only way to ensure it legislatively is to have the Supreme Court employ judicial review, to deem it unconstitutional, or have Congress pass a bill. |
| 17:41.10 | Gnarfoz | an instance any citizen can call upon to review the constitutionality (?) of a law |
| 17:41.54 | Gnarfoz | US law, as I understand it, is heavily case based? |
| 17:41.58 | Neffi | I mean, we are a common law nation, so precedent definitely matters. But it's not rock-solid. Judicial Review and Congress alone have the power to say, with 100% certainty, if a law can be applied in a given way. |
| 17:42.20 | Neffi | Actually, Congress lacks the right to say how a law can be applied, but has the right to make new laws |
| 17:42.35 | Gnarfoz | I was going to ask ... |
| 17:42.35 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:43.14 | Lopeppeppy | s/Congress/Supreme Court? |
| 17:43.30 | Neffi | Judicial Review is a power of the Supreme Court |
| 17:43.34 | bluworkcow | heh |
| 17:43.40 | Ressy | Congress makes laws. Supreme Court applies, shapes them. |
| 17:43.43 | bluworkcow | Good luck with that with the Govn't shut down |
| 17:43.45 | Neffi | aye |
| 17:43.52 | Gnarfoz | it's not shut down any more I thought? |
| 17:43.53 | Fisker | it's open for business again bluworkcow |
| 17:43.59 | Gnarfoz | not that the supreme court is part of the government anyway |
| 17:44.00 | bluworkcow | wat |
| 17:44.01 | Neffi | Gov't departments are shut down. The courts are still operational |
| 17:44.01 | kd3 | by the skin of it's teeth |
| 17:44.05 | Gnarfoz | (or is it? that'd be weird) |
| 17:44.14 | Ressy | courts didn't shut down |
| 17:44.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah, like I said, that'd be weird, courts are not part of the government |
| 17:44.27 | Neffi | If the courts shut down, that'd be really bad for the nation |
| 17:44.47 | kd3 | the judicial system is part of the government, just like legislature (congress) and administration (the president) are |
| 17:44.48 | Neffi | Furloughing a bunch of workers is bad, but it's not exactly damaging. Shutting court definitely would be. |
| 17:45.08 | Gnarfoz | kd3: uh? I'm not sure if that's a useful definition |
| 17:45.16 | Gnarfoz | the powers are executive, legislative and judicative |
| 17:45.38 | kd3 | <Gnarfoz> not that the supreme court is part of the government anyway |
| 17:45.39 | kd3 | sure it is |
| 17:45.41 | Gnarfoz | do your congress/courts/government share some of those rules? |
| 17:45.42 | Neffi | The terms he used are also commonly used, colloquially |
| 17:45.44 | Gnarfoz | *roles |
| 17:45.55 | Fisker | I can't imagine the courts being part of the private sector :D |
| 17:46.07 | Gnarfoz | well, we're debating technicalities already, time to be precise (and I want to learn something along the way, of course) |
| 17:46.13 | Ackis | I've found one downside to having a larger monitor :( My word documents at work like to display more than one page with my default zoom levels/maximized window!!!! :( |
| 17:46.33 | Neffi | It's a bit of a misrepresentation to say the government shut down anyway. It obviously didn't. Government-controlled agencies were temporarily gutted, and some nearly entirely shut down. But the underlying infrastructure stayed in place (three branches) |
| 17:46.39 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: of course not, but for us "the government" is the current executive government, not our federal diet (which is the legislative) and our courts are obviously the judicative |
| 17:46.58 | Gnarfoz | someone overloaded the term "government"! burn themmmm |
| 17:46.59 | Fisker | ah got it |
| 17:47.00 | kd3 | second sentence on enwiki |
| 17:47.02 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.29 | kd3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States |
| 17:47.34 | Gnarfoz | kd3: interesting |
| 17:47.42 | Gnarfoz | so the president is the only "executive power"? |
| 17:47.47 | Neffi | Sort of |
| 17:48.09 | kd3 | he has plenty of staff underneath him to help him fulfill his duties, but if you want to be technical, yes |
| 17:48.12 | Gnarfoz | ok, guess that's what led me to assign powers to where they don't belong |
| 17:48.41 | Gnarfoz | yay for differences in political systems! |
| 17:49.03 | Neffi | He has the power to veto bills in progress. He's the Commander in Chief, controlling military action (but cannot declare war). His powers almost end there, but not entirely. Most of the power sits in Congress (declare war, make budget, vote in bills, amend the Constitution) and the Supreme Court (intepret law, use Judicial Review to get laws stricken, and to hear important cases). |
| 17:49.05 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: where are you from? |
| 17:49.18 | Seerah | Ackis: I feel your pain |
| 17:49.21 | Thunder_Child | His mther |
| 17:49.25 | Thunder_Child | mother* |
| 17:49.32 | Gnarfoz | I certainly came from my mother, yes |
| 17:49.38 | jleclanche | Thunder_Child: what context? you lost me earlier |
| 17:49.46 | Gnarfoz | both she and I are from Germany, though, Ackis |
| 17:50.58 | Thunder_Child | jleclanche: The design is of an aircraft and it should be a spacecraft. |
| 17:51.13 | jleclanche | why? |
| 17:51.16 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: ah okay, I know nothing about the government there... but in Canada, the UK and any Commonwealth country the political layout is the same with the executive, legislative, and judicial parts... we have an extra level with the Queen but that's really ceremony only |
| 17:51.19 | jleclanche | whats wrong with this? |
| 17:51.43 | Thunder_Child | Unless I missed something it's a game about spacecraft.... |
| 17:51.45 | Neffi | Funny, because many consider the President to be a ceremony only |
| 17:51.53 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: those also all share this "common law" law system, right? also quite foreign to us |
| 17:51.58 | jleclanche | i mean |
| 17:52.04 | jleclanche | http://goo.gl/afv32t |
| 17:52.06 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: correct, common law is pretty wicked |
| 17:52.08 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: The US is a common law nation |
| 17:52.09 | jleclanche | what makes you think this is "wrong"? |
| 17:52.16 | kd3 | except for louisiana |
| 17:52.20 | kd3 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law |
| 17:52.34 | Gnarfoz | really? :D |
| 17:52.35 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: Our common law exists as a system of precedent, set by decisions made by judges. |
| 17:52.49 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/18/google-begins-sending-out-invites-to-october-24-google-play-event/ btw haste |
| 17:52.50 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: yeah, I understand some of the main differences (like that one in particular) |
| 17:52.52 | Fisker | everything just changed |
| 17:53.02 | Ackis | kd3: I think Quebec doesn't use common-law... damn frenchies! |
| 17:53.13 | Thunder_Child | For one thing the lower hud is a 2D representation of 3D space, needs to be a 3D representation. Also the writing on the right hand side even says aircraft. |
| 17:54.00 | Gnarfoz | most fun is proving people wrong, when they insist things (legal things, political things) are a certain way, when clearly, they learned all they know from US/UK/CA tv shows and movies. :D |
| 17:54.01 | kd3 | well, even in germany, merkel isn't merely ceremonial, is she? |
| 17:54.11 | Neffi | kd3: Their state courts may not be, but they're absolutely bound by Federal decisions. So all common law applies to them. And the Supreme Court still has ultimate say in all matters. |
| 17:54.12 | Gnarfoz | kd3: no, that'd be our president, he is |
| 17:54.56 | Gnarfoz | kd3: she's the head of the executive branch, she + her advisors (ministers) comprise it |
| 17:55.10 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: it's easy to make assumptions when you have a large pool of countries that are similar. Honestly until you mentioned it today I hadn't given a second thought to other countries |
| 17:55.54 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: instant flame wars, just add global telecommunications |
| 17:56.26 | Thunder_Child | And the upper hud has a horizon line |
| 17:56.37 | Ackis | telecommunications is different... I'm confident that the world is getting screwed over by telecom, whereas I'm not confident that all the countries are getting screwed over by their governments |
| 17:56.40 | Neffi | Yeah. I try to be careful, but American isn't like Europe. We're pretty much one country set apart. It's so common to speak about legal and political matters as absolutes among fellow Americans, that it's easy to slip up when you're speaking with people that might not be American |
| 17:56.47 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:56.51 | Fisker | telecommunications is fine here |
| 17:56.55 | Ackis | die Fisker |
| 17:56.56 | Fisker | Well |
| 17:57.00 | Fisker | except the whole roaming thing |
| 17:57.08 | Fisker | Definitely need legislation there |
| 17:57.09 | Fisker | fuckers |
| 17:57.14 | Ackis | goes back to paying $100 a month for internet and $120 a month for cell phones :( |
| 17:57.44 | Gnarfoz | kd3: to be honest, I'm not politically interested enough to know, by heart, the extent of her powers, but without thinking about it further, I doubt anyone here would say Merkel has the same kind of powers as Obama |
| 17:57.58 | Fisker | I pay like $25 for 12GB of data, 6 hours of talk and unlimited sms' and mms' |
| 17:58.01 | Fisker | does that upset you Ackis? |
| 17:58.06 | Neffi | But Obama doesn't have many powers, Gnarfoz |
| 17:58.11 | Ackis | yes it does Fisker :( |
| 17:58.22 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: with "global telecommunications" I just meant... IRC :P basically |
| 17:58.25 | Ackis | Ressy needs to step up her game with the fight against big telecoms |
| 17:58.27 | Fisker | And you can get like flatrate for $50 |
| 17:58.51 | Neffi | I think by and large our President serves primarily as a scapegoat, for the blame that should go to Congress |
| 17:59.07 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: well, not the number of powers but the kind/importance of them |
| 17:59.18 | Gnarfoz | Merkel can't veto law proposals, for one |
| 17:59.43 | Neffi | Fair enough. But it's worth knowing that that's really his only power that matters. |
| 17:59.44 | kd3 | however, if congress passes something with enough votes, they can overrule the president's veto |
| 17:59.52 | kd3 | not that that's likely to happen in the current climate |
| 18:00.33 | Neffi | He may be Commander in Chief, but by and large military action is handled by a lot of people that are not him |
| 18:00.58 | Ackis | s/handled/bungled/ |
| 18:01.00 | Gnarfoz | I dread Germany's next 5 years... if they manage to make a grand coalition (again), the two parties comprising it will have a big enough majority to make constitutional changes without the support of the opposition |
| 18:01.14 | Gnarfoz | which is never a good outlook |
| 18:01.23 | Neffi | If Congress is focused enough, they can essentially make all of his powers absolutely useless, with what kd3 just said. And they hold the sole power to declare war. |
| 18:01.44 | Neffi | In fact, Congress could gut his powers if they managed to have near unanimous support |
| 18:01.45 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: are there laws in Germany preventing parties that are fascist (e.g. Neo-Nazi's)? |
| 18:01.46 | kd3 | not that the us has declared war since... WWII? |
| 18:02.01 | kd3 | we've been in "armed conflicts" |
| 18:02.09 | Ackis | kd3: police actions too |
| 18:02.19 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: not that I'm aware of, or they'd have outlawed the appropriate party by now |
| 18:02.20 | Neffi | That's been coming under scrutiny recently, because there is now a distiction. |
| 18:02.47 | Neffi | It's up to Congress to say the President no longer has that power, and our current Congress is too divided and stupid to bother focusing on any issue |
| 18:03.04 | Ackis | I need to visit Germany in my lifetime |
| 18:03.27 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: it might also be a case of "they're actively avoiding doing things that would get them banned", though. I just know that it has been tried, suggested, demanded, but so far, the constitutional court has always denied or rejected those attempts |
| 18:05.05 | Neffi | kd3: One last distinction that's probably worth mentioning. While the President can allow/deny those "armed conflicts", in practice he's not really responsible here. The responsibility for actually maintaining military action falls across other members of his Cabinet and the Pentagon |
| 18:05.07 | Fisker | hahahahahhaha |
| 18:05.08 | Fisker | http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100001730 |
| 18:05.10 | Ackis | an aside: I want to come up with a document that shows how forms change based on different input and what happens to it in a business process flow, what would that diagram be called? |
| 18:05.10 | Fisker | what the actual fuck |
| 18:05.12 | Fisker | 4GB flash drive |
| 18:05.15 | Fisker | why would you even sell that |
| 18:05.23 | Neffi | I mean, he still has final say, but it's not common for the President to be directly making these decisions |
| 18:05.39 | Seerah | and for $15 |
| 18:05.40 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany has not one, not two, but 3 sections about different "banning attempts" :D have fun, if you enjoy reading stuff like this on a friday (afternoon, I'm assuming. it's 20:00 here.) |
| 18:05.43 | kd3 | not really, but the military leadership reports directly to him |
| 18:05.56 | Neffi | It's a joint effort where he merely serves to pull the control card if he absolutely needs to |
| 18:06.09 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: it's lunch here right now |
| 18:06.12 | Neffi | In essence saying "wait a second, that's definitely a bad thing to do, I'm gonna disallow it" |
| 18:06.26 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: west coast then, nice |
| 18:06.33 | Neffi | And recent history has shown that that doesn't happen nearly enough |
| 18:07.02 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: mountains... I think I live in the most geographically stable area of north america |
| 18:07.05 | Neffi | The only time it really happens is when the action would have some impact on the president's approval rating. And even then, it's more like "okay, go ahead, but make sure you do it covertly" |
| 18:07.14 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: oh, ok |
| 18:09.08 | Neffi | In fact the only time I can recall it happening in recent history is when we chose not to get directly involved with the Syria conflict, and that was because public approval for action was incredibly low. And IMO the only real reason they even interfaced the public to bring the conflict to light, and publicly state their position on it, was to distract the public from the NSA scandal. |
| 18:09.52 | Gnarfoz | not sure if this is too far into tinfoil hat territory, but I recently read about presidential executive orders, which basically give the president insane powers, if they were to be invoked? stuff like suspending congress, declaring war, (what's it called when the government stations troops on your private property? that.), etc... it was accompanied by the notice that none of these executive orders have been used in recent times and their legality is a |
| 18:09.58 | Gnarfoz | matter of controversy |
| 18:10.21 | Ackis | marshal law stuff |
| 18:10.33 | kd3 | go read the article on "Imperial Presidency". it goes over that |
| 18:10.38 | Neffi | I'm not familiar with these, but I wouldn't be surprised if they existed. |
| 18:10.44 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: *cough* martial |
| 18:10.51 | Neffi | lol |
| 18:10.54 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: meh |
| 18:11.07 | Ackis | I've spelt phone "fone" about 4 times today and have had to correct myself :P |
| 18:11.11 | Neffi | Actually I would be surprised |
| 18:11.15 | Ackis | Spelling isn't my strong suite |
| 18:11.27 | Neffi | Only Congress can give the president the power to do that. I highly doubt they gave the president the power to stop Congress. |
| 18:11.55 | Neffi | I can see him having some power over marshall law, but not suspending the other branches |
| 18:12.01 | Primer | veto? |
| 18:12.10 | Neffi | Veto what? |
| 18:12.16 | Primer | congress |
| 18:12.31 | Neffi | You can't veto Congress. I don't understand what you're getting at. |
| 18:12.38 | Neffi | He can veto a bill |
| 18:12.40 | Primer | (11:11:24 AM) Neffi: Only Congress can give the president the power to do that. I highly doubt they gave the president the power to stop Congress. |
| 18:13.02 | Neffi | I still don't get what you're getting at |
| 18:13.04 | Primer | veto...the power to stop congress |
| 18:13.21 | Neffi | The president would veto the bill granting him the power to stop congress? |
| 18:13.22 | Primer | Unless you're not talking about the US |
| 18:13.27 | Neffi | I am |
| 18:13.31 | Primer | Don't be dense |
| 18:13.34 | Neffi | The president vetos bills -- laws. |
| 18:13.45 | Primer | Congress passes a bill, the president vetos it |
| 18:13.55 | Neffi | Well yes |
| 18:13.56 | Primer | e.g. "the power to stop congress" |
| 18:14.15 | Neffi | But somebody claimed that the president had the power to suspend congress and essentially declare full marshall law |
| 18:14.30 | Neffi | The only way he would have that power, is if Congress passed a bill saying so, and he DIDNT veto that bill |
| 18:14.30 | Gnarfoz | martial! argh! :D |
| 18:14.43 | Neffi | I don't think Congress would pass a bill giving the president the power to stop Congress |
| 18:14.45 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Gnarfoz |
| 18:14.45 | purl | ACTION sooths Gnarfoz, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Gnarfoz down. |
| 18:14.55 | Primer | I don't think that'd necessarily "suspend" congress |
| 18:14.57 | Gnarfoz | I could go for a backrub right now |
| 18:15.22 | Neffi | What? The hypothetical power? |
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| 18:15.26 | Neffi | A bill can say anything it wants |
| 18:15.36 | Primer | bills can't speak |
| 18:15.46 | kd3 | ... |
| 18:15.47 | Neffi | Congress could (try and) pass a bill saying that pi is now legally equal to 3.2 |
| 18:15.50 | Primer | they're paper |
| 18:16.47 | Neffi | --which it tried to do before, if nobody got that reference |
| 18:17.17 | Neffi | Well, Congress didn't. They shot it down. IIRC a state tried to pass the bill more locally first. |
| 18:17.27 | Neffi | And came very close to succeeding |
| 18:18.00 | Neffi | If it weren't for the extremely lucky chance that a mathematician happened to be in the courtroom, overheard what was going on, and later took the initiative to educate those responsible |
| 18:18.33 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFNjA9LOPsg\ |
| 18:20.13 | Gnarfoz | http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power see 2nd to last paragraph, those are what I was referring to |
| 18:20.50 | Neffi | Ah, okay |
| 18:20.54 | Neffi | That's a bit different |
| 18:21.17 | Neffi | I assumed you meant suspending Congress. That's not what that is. It's essentially passing a temporary law without Congress being able to shoot it down. |
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| 18:21.59 | Neffi | And if used unjustly, it's a reason for impeachment, so Congress still has the power to stop the president |
| 18:26.23 | pompy | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1816286-eastern-michigan-wr-demarius-moore-found-dead-in-apartment-building jeeez smh in this world. :\ |
| 18:29.22 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: ahh, yes... I misremembered what the title of another, less factually written (more alarmist) page on the topic was: "How the president can suspend the constitution" (or the bill of rights) |
| 18:29.39 | Gnarfoz | (not congress) |
| 18:30.58 | Neffi | That's definitely an alarmist exaggeration, but that doesn't make it inaccurate |
| 18:31.18 | Neffi | Executive Power could technically be used to suspend rights. It has been before. |
| 18:31.28 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 18:34.10 | Gnarfoz | http://dmc.members.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon5.html was the page, if you're bored (: |
| 18:34.25 | Neffi | mayhaps |
| 18:34.39 | Neffi | i've got a few free hours before i can start the day |
| 18:35.12 | Gnarfoz | start? what timezone are *you* in? :D |
| 18:35.24 | Gnarfoz | (well, ~ugt applies, but...) |
| 18:35.38 | Neffi | EST |
| 18:35.56 | Neffi | It's 2:35 here. I'm going out today, but I can't for at least 2 hours. Waiting on money to come through. |
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| 19:00.34 | Ackis | anyone here do web design? I need some help with diagraming |
| 19:01.12 | mitchnull | ackis: what's up with razor-qt? seems kinda dead recently :( |
| 19:01.31 | Ackis | razor-qt? |
| 19:01.36 | mitchnull | Ackis: erm, sorry, I might've mixed you up with Adys ;) |
| 19:01.46 | Ackis | damn you |
| 19:01.48 | mitchnull | ;) |
| 19:01.56 | jleclanche | mitchnull: we merged with LXDE |
| 19:02.03 | jleclanche | LXDE-Qt is where things are going |
| 19:02.10 | mitchnull | and _are_ they going? |
| 19:02.12 | jleclanche | good progress on it, giving a talk about it in Toulouse next month |
| 19:02.23 | mitchnull | last I read the lead dev there had some other pressing issues RL |
| 19:02.38 | mitchnull | cool |
| 19:02.44 | jleclanche | yeah things have been slow last month |
| 19:02.52 | jleclanche | but we just got a compilable lxqt install |
| 19:03.55 | mitchnull | sounds fun. I'd really like to try a beta-quality version soon |
| 19:06.50 | jleclanche | mitchnull: github.com/lxde/lxqt |
| 19:07.09 | jleclanche | er |
| 19:07.09 | jleclanche | https://github.com/lxde/lxde-qt |
| 19:08.57 | mitchnull | erm |
| 19:09.26 | mitchnull | where's the top-level CMakeList.txt? :) |
| 19:09.54 | jleclanche | im not sure |
| 19:10.02 | jleclanche | i think you just build all of it separately |
| 19:10.10 | jleclanche | they're all separate modules |
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| 19:10.47 | mitchnull | oh, and using autotools instead of cmake... |
| 19:10.52 | jleclanche | um |
| 19:10.57 | jleclanche | most is using cmake |
| 19:11.06 | jleclanche | some older projects are using autotools and will be moved |
| 19:11.15 | mitchnull | eh, then I just stumbled upon one of the older ones ;) |
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| 20:13.11 | pompy | TC-Work: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/323018-beverly-hills-firefighters-responding-to-fire-at-25-story-building-off-wilshire/ |
| 20:13.15 | pompy | hearing sirens everywhere? |
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| 20:20.10 | Thunder_Child | pompy: that's about 9 miles from where I am |
| 20:20.33 | Thunder_Child | make that 6. Good job google maps. |
| 20:27.49 | drakku | its possible to create a castbar with the same style of blizzard default castbar? |
| 20:27.58 | Semlar | course |
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| 20:51.39 | Neffi | Sometimes being technologically inclined rocks |
| 20:52.11 | Neffi | I owed a friend money. Was just about to pay him back with the last of what I've got. He calls me and tells me he needs computer work. I keep what I owe him and make more on top of that, for an afternoon's work. |
| 21:06.12 | Neffi | wtf http://i.imgur.com/3mRNPQO.gif |
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| 21:19.36 | Neffi | This man is fucking glorious http://imgur.com/gallery/BCgClHW |
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| 21:21.37 | kd3 | ah, fun |
| 21:22.03 | kd3 | "hey kd3. what's wrong with my printer? the first ~half of the document comes out ok, then the rest of the page is all scrambled" |
| 21:22.29 | kd3 | "did you try printing it out again?" |
| 21:22.38 | kd3 | "yeah. it's fine now." |
| 21:22.52 | kd3 | "great. chalk it up to a cosmic ray flipping a bit or something." |
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| 21:27.17 | Dagmar | I blame Microsoft technology |
| 21:27.44 | Thunder_Child | I blame you. |
| 21:27.58 | Neffi | I blame Obama |
| 21:27.59 | Neffi | Thanks, Obama |
| 21:37.25 | Ackis | neat: http://www.zdnet.com/cn/china-achieves-wireless-internet-access-via-lightbulbs-7000022108/ |
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| 22:11.04 | bleeter | Neffi: it's quite amusing how Obama gets the blame for all the faults and mistakes of Fisker |
| 22:11.20 | Neffi | We can blame Obama for that |
| 22:11.33 | Neffi | He should've taken care of Fisker when he had the chance |
| 22:11.36 | Neffi | Thanks, Obama |
| 22:12.49 | drakku | Semlar: can u give me an example please? |
| 22:13.50 | Semlar | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/CastingBarFrame.xml https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/CastingBarFrame.lua |
| 22:15.10 | Semlar | you might be able to just make a status bar that inherits CastingBarFrameTemplate |
| 22:19.59 | drakku | ok thx Semlar ;) |
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| 22:25.00 | bleeter | Cairenn: is it really 1461 days since you last logged in to Steam? |
| 22:25.10 | Cairenn | Sounds about right |
| 22:25.23 | bleeter | heh |
| 22:25.48 | kd3 | lua> 1461/365 |
| 22:25.48 | lua_bot | kd3: 4.0027397260274 |
| 22:26.01 | bleeter | was just going through the unreplied friend invites here ;) |
| 22:26.08 | Cairenn | Ah |
| 22:26.23 | bleeter | you're the only one I'll leave |
| 22:26.29 | Cairenn | Awwwww |
| 22:26.33 | bleeter | 'coz I'm curious how long you'll not log in for =) |
| 22:26.39 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 22:27.33 | bleeter | kd3: close, but there's been a leap year in there ;) |
| 22:28.22 | fewyn | http://isitblizzconyet.com/ not soon enough :( |
| 22:28.37 | kd3 | lua> 1461/365.25 |
| 22:28.37 | lua_bot | kd3: 4 |
| 22:28.53 | kd3 | >.> |
| 22:30.16 | bleeter | \o/ |
| 22:33.25 | Thunder_Child | Speaking of which Cairenn, do we have a resturant yet? |
| 22:33.30 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 22:33.51 | Thunder_Child | Did you update the post? I just looked the other day |
| 22:33.55 | Cairenn | No |
| 22:34.09 | Thunder_Child | Is there going to be bean spilling? |
| 22:34.11 | Unkle | Are we bubba gumping it? |
| 22:34.13 | Cairenn | Perhaps |
| 22:34.17 | Cairenn | Unkle: no |
| 22:34.23 | Thunder_Child | Do you like one word answers? |
| 22:34.27 | Unkle | Yes |
| 22:34.50 | Cairenn | Sometimes |
| 22:34.50 | Thunder_Child | I'm also wondering why Primer isn't going. |
| 22:34.55 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Cairenn |
| 22:34.55 | purl | takes a big bite out of Cairenn's jugular vein |
| 22:34.59 | Cairenn | :( |
| 22:35.08 | Thunder_Child | s/bite/kiss/ |
| 22:35.18 | Thunder_Child | Although that's just as odd I suppose. |
| 22:35.22 | Cairenn | heh |
| 22:35.25 | Cairenn | PFC's |
| 22:36.21 | Thunder_Child | Oh, PF Chang |
| 22:36.25 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 22:36.30 | Thunder_Child | That took forever to figure out |
| 22:36.31 | Cairenn | Hopefully that'll be okay for everyone |
| 22:36.40 | Thunder_Child | It will for all the jews |
| 22:36.48 | Cairenn | ? |
| 22:37.19 | Thunder_Child | The joke that jews have a genetic predisposition to Chineese food |
| 22:37.28 | Cairenn | Okay |
| 22:37.30 | Thunder_Child | Chinese* |
| 22:38.06 | Thunder_Child | errr, for not to. |
| 22:38.16 | Primer | hrmm? |
| 22:38.19 | Unkle | I just got off my tookus and signed up on the forum. |
| 22:38.27 | Primer | I'm just not that into it |
| 22:38.28 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 22:38.41 | Thunder_Child | It's an hour drive you failure |
| 22:38.46 | Primer | half hour |
| 22:39.01 | Thunder_Child | Going the speed limit? |
| 22:40.07 | Unkle | I can't drive....... FIFTY-FIVE! |
| 22:40.11 | Thunder_Child | I made it in 20 coming home, but my speedometer tops out at 85 so I am not sure how fast I was going. |
| 22:41.13 | Thunder_Child | Don't you mean 65 Unkle? |
| 22:41.31 | Cairenn | No |
| 22:42.05 | Thunder_Child | Is that a reference I am missing? |
| 22:42.10 | Unkle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvV3nn_de2k |
| 22:42.15 | Cairenn | You don't know the song? |
| 22:43.08 | Cairenn | Apparently not |
| 22:43.11 | Thunder_Child | Nope |
| 22:43.15 | Iriel | Young people. |
| 22:43.17 | Iriel | *sighs* |
| 22:43.21 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 22:43.26 | Thunder_Child | I was 3 when it came out. Sue me. |
| 22:43.42 | Cairenn | Heh |
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| 22:47.05 | Thunder_Child | Well that kinda felt like I was watching the music video for Knight Rider. |
| 22:47.34 | Unkle | The 80s... Stranger than the 60s because it was coke, not weed. |
| 22:51.54 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:53.10 | Unkle | And we all thought that "The Future" we'd been promised since the 50s was going to start "any day now." |
| 22:54.19 | Iriel | Unkle: One Word: Plastics |
| 22:54.28 | Unkle | Get in on the ground floor! |
| 22:56.52 | Iriel | Changing the subject - The Stanley Parable (on steam now) is awesome. |
| 22:57.26 | Iriel | (There's a demo, i'm not sure how good a job it does though) |
| 22:59.42 | Unkle | Stupid Legendary quest line. |
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