| 00:02.28 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/CcQM4vJ.jpg |
| 00:33.00 | Primer | Anyone good with hunter pet macro conditionals? Trying to make an all-in-one macro but it seems the conditionals required for revive pet just can't be fulfilled |
| 00:33.32 | Dagmar | Probably because it's bitchy about determining whether or not your pet is actually dead. |
| 00:33.44 | Dagmar | It doeesn't seem to be able to tell dead from simply not summoned |
| 00:34.17 | Primer | right |
| 01:03.17 | Semlar | you have to attempt to summon the pet before it decides whether it's dead or not |
| 01:04.07 | Semlar | as far as i'm concerned you might as well bring 5 of the same pet and abandon them as they let you down |
| 01:04.34 | Arrowmaster | i remember it used to be that you summoned it and got a corpse then you could know to cast revive |
| 01:04.57 | Arrowmaster | well not a corpse but a unitframe saying dead |
| 01:05.00 | Semlar | if your pet dies, and then you die, which happens quite frequently on a wipe |
| 01:05.23 | Semlar | when you come back you have to actually attempt to summon the dead pet before it will be like "that pet is dead! you have to cast revive" |
| 01:05.33 | Primer | yes |
| 01:06.40 | Semlar | if it's even possible to do through a macro, it would have to check if you don't have an active pet, attempt to summon one (i don't know how it would pick), and then move on to revive if it's dead |
| 01:07.16 | Semlar | it might be possible to do it in conjunction with an addon to automatically fill in which pet to summon out of combat |
| 01:08.05 | Semlar | you'd basically have the addon construct the macro for you |
| 01:08.31 | Semlar | and track which pet you had out before |
| 01:09.30 | Semlar | i might be interested in looking into it later since i play a hunter and i hate my stupid pet |
| 01:11.38 | Semlar | can an addon cancel autorun? i'm assuming not |
| 01:12.31 | Arrowmaster | yes but it requires a hardware input |
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| 01:16.39 | Semlar | i wonder if there's something it could make you do to stop running |
| 01:20.42 | Semlar | come to think of it if i'm having an addon modify my summon pet button it might as well pick the best pet to summon |
| 01:28.37 | Dagmar | Go go gadget wolf! |
| 01:28.59 | Dagmar | er triple-channel |
| 01:29.01 | Dagmar | $#%#$% |
| 01:45.59 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Dagmar |
| 01:45.59 | purl | Dagmar: FAIL! |
| 01:46.27 | Thunder_Child | Then I have to do it to myself as well since it took me 5 tries to get your name to the point I could tab complete. |
| 01:46.39 | Dagmar | Hehe that's okay |
| 01:47.05 | Dagmar | Apparently the bullshit at the office is getting to me more than I thought. |
| 01:47.34 | Dagmar | We've got a problem with our SAN being overloaded and I'm presently trying to live-resize the filesystem containing about 22Gb of database files. |
| 01:48.05 | Dagmar | On a _whim_ I decided to check the CPU load. I'm seeing a steady 30-60% of the CPU time going to wait states. This is BAD. |
| 01:48.19 | Dagmar | These tools at the office want to deny we have a problem. |
| 01:48.32 | Dagmar | On another whim, I decided to generate a 100Mb test file. |
| 01:48.38 | Ixnorp | I am struggling to understand why this XML is not positioning elements as I would expect it to. http://pastebin.com/5rrDHwqN The first <FontString>, the two buttons, and the EditBox show up where I would expect them two. The one named EditBoxTitle is positioned way off in the middle of Africa when I would expect it to show up above the Edit Box. To hazard a guess, it seems to be spawning |
| 01:48.38 | Ixnorp | at 0,0 of the parent frame or world frame. I only just managed to start getting a grasp of the XML UI stuff this morning so some pointers would be appreciated. |
| 01:48.48 | Dagmar | System load went from 6 to >20, and it took thirty seconds. |
| 01:50.16 | Thunder_Child | we have some 600TB of netapp at work. Works somewhat differently |
| 01:50.18 | bleeter | iostat! sar! moar! |
| 01:52.01 | Dagmar | bleeter: I ain't even kidding http://pastebin.com/h7R8Tpd9 |
| 01:52.49 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Our fiber connection to the SAN is 10Gb and dual channel with redundancy (the usual four fibers) and it's overloaded lately |
| 01:53.03 | Dagmar | bleeter: Note that iowait is 51% right there. |
| 01:53.44 | bleeter | Dagmar: and I bet /proc/mdstat is completely useless to you as well ;) |
| 01:53.53 | Dagmar | I am going to wait until whatever is pissing off the san is done doing it's thing |
| 01:53.54 | Thunder_Child | Is the bandwidth getting saturated or the IO 22GB is not a lot |
| 01:54.15 | Dagmar | I just replicated the test with 100M of urandom and no terrifying increase in system load |
| 01:54.32 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: There are many more VMs than this on the ESX |
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| 01:55.13 | Thunder_Child | Use load balance instead of failover to see if it gets better? |
| 01:55.14 | Dagmar | Eighteen months ago 20k blocks/s wasn't even a problem |
| 01:55.24 | Dagmar | I have no control over the SAN or the ESX. |
| 01:55.31 | Dagmar | ...and the people who do are sitting on their hands. |
| 01:55.44 | Dagmar | Well, the SAN guys arent't at least. They've been saying it's overloaded for over a year. |
| 01:56.30 | Dagmar | Mainly I'm jsut hoping it waits until next week (when I'm on vacation) before the whole thing bursts into flames again |
| 01:56.49 | Dagmar | It's super-awesome to be administrating a bunch of Wordpress servers when the SAN can tank the mysql server. |
| 01:57.00 | Dagmar | Flaming machines falling from the sky |
| 01:59.33 | Dagmar | I just know if this thing plays up while I'm trying to live resize the 30Gb disk volume full of mysql tables, people will try to blame me for it, as if I never warned them we were having problems all weekend.. |
| 01:59.57 | Dagmar | Crash a resize2fs operation? URFUKD |
| 02:00.06 | bleeter | Dagmar: have you tried hitting it with a hammer? |
| 02:00.15 | Dagmar | Pardon me that's a E_URFUKD. |
| 02:00.25 | Dagmar | bleeter: That's the thing I detest about virtual servers. |
| 02:00.50 | bleeter | Dagmar: have you virtually tried virtually hitting it with a virtual hammer? |
| 02:00.53 | Dagmar | When this stuff first cropped up I was about ready to ship the vmx file back to VMware and demand an RMA on it |
| 02:01.12 | Dagmar | Disk controllers acting like they were running disks from 1995 and stuff |
| 02:01.30 | Dagmar | At one point we were seeing a whopping 16mb/s throughput on that |
| 02:01.42 | Dagmar | Why hello slow query log! |
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| 02:03.45 | Dagmar | bleeter: We're using LVM so, mdstat isn't going to have much to say |
| 02:05.48 | karl_w_w | oh woops |
| 02:05.58 | karl_w_w | i forgot to do the celestial tournament last week |
| 02:06.07 | karl_w_w | damn you hearthstone! *shakes fist* |
| 02:06.11 | bleeter | and lvmsar doesn't lvm2 |
| 02:07.34 | Dagmar | bleeter: It barely matters. This is basically a known issue |
| 02:08.05 | Dagmar | well, known to everyone who isn't the PHB ignoring the problem and the architect who is quite happy to help him with his denial. |
| 02:09.08 | Dagmar | I went through all this stuff six months ago during and immediately following the Commencement stuff where I basically spent three days keeping the environment running by banging on keyboards angrily and cursing nonstop |
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| 02:11.10 | Arrowmaster | why would something support lvm and not lvm2? |
| 02:19.31 | Gnarfoz | because he says so |
| 02:19.33 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 02:20.59 | Dagmar | Also, so does the man page. |
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| 02:21.46 | Dagmar | Actually that's pretty much _all_ that man page says presently. |
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| 02:34.43 | Mr_Rabies | someone in mimiron's head should totally be able to combine with the sky golem to make gurren lagann |
| 02:37.06 | Cairenn | Torhal: rofl (@cheetah & dog) |
| 02:37.18 | Torhal | Hehe |
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| 02:51.29 | Arrowmaster | oh hey OUYA has new draconian terms of service, i think im finally going to request a full refund |
| 02:52.18 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Aroo? |
| 02:52.34 | Torhal | Still haven't gotten your unit and they're changing shit up? |
| 02:52.38 | Arrowmaster | http://ouyabrew.com/breakdown-of-the-new-ouya-terms-of-service/ |
| 02:52.48 | Arrowmaster | no i got it but ive only ever used it once |
| 02:53.06 | Arrowmaster | but others still havent gotten all of their pledges |
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| 03:22.45 | pompy1 | weird.. http://cheezburger.com/7845016832 works and www.cheezburger.com/7845016832 just redirects to the homepage |
| 03:22.49 | pompy1 | thought that didnt matter |
| 03:23.45 | kullervo | it's the server configuration |
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| 04:14.37 | bluspacecow | http://wonderfulengineering.com/these-40-ideas-will-make-your-house-super-awesome/ |
| 04:21.46 | Fisker | oh ok Arrowmaster |
| 04:21.49 | Fisker | sounds legit |
| 04:21.55 | Fisker | "bettercallsaul@ouya.tv" |
| 04:22.03 | Fisker | very professional |
| 04:39.51 | bleeter | meanwhile, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP_4z4IoYHs |
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| 05:11.01 | bluspacecow | ha ha |
| 05:11.08 | bluspacecow | i thought model.MPQ was mode1.mpq |
| 05:11.11 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 05:11.30 | Fisker | very funny |
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| 05:17.17 | bluspacecow | i was like ZOMG a new MPQ file ! |
| 05:17.20 | bluspacecow | nope.jpg |
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| 05:23.33 | draku | hi |
| 05:24.09 | draku | anyone can say me whats wrong with http://pastebin.com/A3aC33iq ? in http://i.imgur.com/Dz6myHw.jpg i want set border to the nameplate not inside of it |
| 05:25.25 | Fisker | nope.gif bluspacecow |
| 05:25.30 | Fisker | or .avi |
| 05:25.36 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 05:26.07 | Fisker | it's ok |
| 05:26.10 | airtonix | this isn't the real fisker, a mere approximation. |
| 05:26.29 | Fisker | stop airtonix |
| 05:26.31 | airtonix | bluspacecow: someones kidnapped him. |
| 05:26.41 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 05:26.46 | bluspacecow | *fondles fisker* |
| 05:26.47 | airtonix | too serious |
| 05:27.22 | bluspacecow | y so serious ? |
| 05:28.34 | airtonix | it's the internet? |
| 05:30.08 | Fisker | why so obnoxious? |
| 05:30.46 | Iriel | draku: typically the frame includes the border, and the content is inset |
| 05:33.23 | Iriel | BUT you can adjust the inset on the backdrop |
| 05:33.27 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdrop |
| 05:33.40 | Iriel | I'm not sure if that helps you get the visual you want |
| 05:38.18 | draku | Iriel: added inset param with 1 in all sides and nothing :/ |
| 05:38.41 | Iriel | I think the inset actually pushes your backdrop in away from the edge, so it's not really what you want |
| 05:38.55 | Iriel | Instead try making your frame bigger, and anchoring the content relative to the border? |
| 05:39.07 | Iriel | (Or find someone who uses the SetBackdrop more than I do) |
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| 05:41.00 | draku | supposedly it is, but if set the backdrop in healthbar1 it doesnt appear :s |
| 05:41.07 | Fisker | morning tharper |
| 05:42.30 | tharper | morning, fisker! |
| 05:43.53 | Fisker | is it starting to be cold in Sweden yet? :D |
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| 05:48.36 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure he asked this question earlier and i told him to make a second frame for the backdrop |
| 05:48.44 | Semlar | with the exact code to do it |
| 05:49.30 | bluspacecow | y fisker y ? |
| 05:49.33 | bluspacecow | y so noodly ? |
| 05:49.36 | Fisker | ? |
| 05:49.45 | bluspacecow | u so noodly |
| 05:49.52 | tharper | Fisker: not really |
| 05:50.06 | tharper | fisker, it's supposed to snow within the next week, though |
| 05:50.09 | Fisker | :O |
| 05:50.25 | tharper | but at the moment it's 9 |
| 05:50.27 | Fisker | Snow is annoying since it makes your clothes wet :P |
| 05:50.39 | tharper | lol |
| 05:50.41 | tharper | snow is fine |
| 05:50.46 | tharper | the rain we are supposed to get beforehand, however |
| 05:50.54 | Fisker | Well rain is worse :P |
| 05:51.30 | draku | Semlar: there is 3 frames :S |
| 05:52.03 | Semlar | if you set the backdrop on a frame the border will show up INSIDE of the edge |
| 05:52.35 | Semlar | so the simplest way to make it go outside of the frame is to use a second frame for the backdrop |
| 05:52.35 | draku | so where i must set? |
| 05:53.44 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/M4MQSBhd this is the paste from earlier with the border frame |
| 05:53.56 | Semlar | did that not work for you |
| 05:59.00 | draku | yeah my fault |
| 05:59.04 | draku | thanks Semlar now works |
| 05:59.26 | draku | i restarted pc yesterday and lost ur pastebin thats why i cannot compare |
| 06:00.03 | Semlar | basically you just create a second frame for the border, make it slightly larger than the other frame and put the backdrop on that |
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| 06:11.02 | draku | oki, the problem is im not very familiar with lua ^^ |
| 06:11.09 | draku | mainly i code C, php, mysql |
| 06:29.54 | airtonix | noone will hold it against you |
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| 07:01.19 | Cairenn | http://cheezburger.com/7831812352 |
| 07:03.27 | zenzio | :-o |
| 07:05.13 | bluspacecow | oh hai dere |
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| 07:25.23 | airtonix | would you say appointments and bookings are generally the same thing in the context of a small business? |
| 07:25.34 | airtonix | hairdresser for example |
| 07:30.31 | karl_w_w | probably |
| 07:30.41 | Semlar | isn't booking used more to refer to things like flights and hotels |
| 07:30.44 | karl_w_w | although appointments can possibly refer to something else |
| 07:31.05 | Semlar | you don't really book a hairdresser |
| 07:32.46 | Semlar | an appointment says you're meeting someone at a certain time whereas a booking is a reservation |
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| 07:39.22 | karl_w_w | I don't follow Semlar |
| 07:40.11 | karl_w_w | people make bookings at hairdressers all the time |
| 07:40.13 | Semlar | you make an appointment with a person, you book a flight, you book a hotel, you book a ticket but you don't book a person |
| 07:40.20 | bluspacecow | because |
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| 07:40.22 | bluspacecow | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2013/october/fanart-1344-full.jpg |
| 07:40.23 | bluspacecow | boobs |
| 07:43.30 | Semlar | i'd say you can book an appointment too |
| 07:43.44 | bluspacecow | *books appointment to see Semlar's boobs* |
| 07:43.56 | Semlar | i think you'd be disappointed |
| 07:44.55 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 07:45.07 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 08:15.30 | airtonix | don't be fooled bluspacecow |
| 08:15.53 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/ciiXcGR.png |
| 08:15.56 | Neffi_ | smart man |
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| 08:22.27 | Neffi_ | =| http://i.imgur.com/5GIfDjK.jpg |
| 08:23.10 | karl_w_w | what, women can't drink stella? |
| 08:26.10 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/hVFI5Hp.jpg |
| 08:26.36 | Neffi_ | karl_w_w: No, it's forbidden |
| 08:27.12 | Mr_Rabies | no one should drink stella |
| 08:28.10 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/97AFUyX.jpg |
| 08:28.16 | Neffi_ | Never had stella |
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| 08:57.50 | Fisker | drinking is bad Neffi_ |
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| 09:00.43 | Neffi_ | drinking is good, Fisker |
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| 09:01.11 | Neffi_ | 1-2 beers per day is very good for your body, and a few more is good for your mind =) |
| 09:03.19 | Neffi_ | not to mention a mildly chilled scotch is a gentleman's drink |
| 09:03.34 | Fisker | requires a gentleman |
| 09:03.40 | Neffi_ | <- |
| 09:03.43 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 09:03.47 | Humbedooh | -> |
| 09:04.18 | Neffi_ | damn i wish i had a strong beer right now |
| 09:04.57 | Fisker | I wish i had a shotgun sometimes |
| 09:05.07 | Neffi_ | >_> |
| 09:07.04 | Fisker | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106856/ |
| 09:07.44 | Neffi_ | I remember that movie |
| 09:07.54 | Neffi_ | Do you lvie in LA as well? |
| 09:08.02 | Fisker | nope |
| 09:08.16 | Fisker | I live in Denmark |
| 09:08.25 | Neffi_ | Ah yes I think I recall |
| 09:08.28 | Neffi_ | you're one of them |
| 09:08.29 | Fisker | Where we fortunately have gun control :D |
| 09:08.36 | Neffi_ | =p |
| 09:09.54 | Neffi_ | You're very fortunate to have gun control. Because over here in the US, stuff like that movie happens every day. |
| 09:10.28 | Fisker | Yeah it's depressing |
| 09:10.29 | Neffi_ | And I mean, it makes sense. You can go into a corner deli and buy military-grade weaponry without even getting a gun license |
| 09:10.52 | Neffi_ | In fact, I bought my first gun when I was 12 |
| 09:11.01 | Fisker | :O |
| 09:11.09 | Neffi_ | Is the sarcasm becoming apparent yet? |
| 09:12.32 | Neffi_ | Most of the US actually has gun control, ranging from moderate to extremely strict |
| 09:12.53 | Neffi_ | We just handle it at the state level, not federal, so non-Americans like to use the edge-cases as examples |
| 09:13.02 | Neffi_ | The maybe 2-3 states that have lenient gun laws |
| 09:13.22 | Fisker | I don't know |
| 09:13.29 | Fisker | You seem to be killing yourselves a lot over there |
| 09:13.39 | Neffi_ | Not really |
| 09:13.42 | Fisker | Sure you have gun control? |
| 09:13.51 | Neffi_ | We've got areas in the country where extremists are at a peak |
| 09:14.07 | Neffi_ | We're also a damn big country with a lot of rural area, making up the vast majority of the land |
| 09:14.45 | Neffi_ | We're not as densely populated overall as most of Europe. The horrors you hear are not the norm for the vast majority of the population. |
| 09:16.10 | Neffi_ | In fact, if we knocked around 10% of our land area out of the union, what would be left would be considered fairly liberal |
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| 09:38.16 | Neffi_ | There's something rather funny going on in the Skyrim mod community |
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| 09:38.51 | Neffi_ | Borgut1337 and tktk seem to be at direct competition, esentially releasing mods that are mirrors of the other one's |
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| 09:58.44 | karl_w_w | lol, hearthstone crash log is funny |
| 09:59.14 | bluspacecow | lulz i crashed |
| 09:59.20 | bluspacecow | is pretty much what it is |
| 09:59.37 | karl_w_w | there's like 500 lines of this: HandleD3DDeviceLost |
| 09:59.38 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.38 | karl_w_w | Skipped rendering frame because GfxDevice is in invalid state (device lost) |
| 10:00.07 | karl_w_w | then 500 lines of d3d: failed to lock sub level 0 of texture 93 [invalid call] |
| 10:00.27 | karl_w_w | then it just says: Crash!!! |
| 10:00.38 | karl_w_w | it's like "fuck it, I give up!" |
| 10:00.52 | Neffi_ | Shouldn't it give up trying to render after that first message? |
| 10:01.28 | Neffi_ | At least it's self aware that it's crashing |
| 10:01.31 | bluspacecow | needed to make sure it was broken |
| 10:01.36 | bluspacecow | by retrying 500 times :P |
| 10:01.37 | Neffi_ | I mean, imagine it crashed trying to figure out if it WAS crashing? |
| 10:01.58 | Neffi_ | "Not sure wtf is going on" "Hearthstone.exe has terminated" |
| 10:03.00 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.10 | karl_w_w | pandora hates me |
| 10:05.27 | karl_w_w | I know this because it's given me ellie goulding |
| 10:06.08 | Neffi_ | haha |
| 10:12.43 | karl_w_w | and again |
| 10:12.45 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 10:12.51 | karl_w_w | how many thumbs down do you want |
| 10:13.43 | Neffi_ | This is why I stick to playing off a local library |
| 10:14.04 | Neffi_ | That, and quality matters to me |
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| 10:37.03 | karl_w_w | god i hate peeling tiny potatos |
| 10:37.24 | Neffi_ | then dont peel them |
| 10:37.36 | Neffi_ | potatoes w/ skins > potatoes w/o skins |
| 10:38.18 | karl_w_w | this kind of stuff is why we invented sweatshops and child labour |
| 10:40.29 | Neffi_ | That's not funny man |
| 10:40.38 | Neffi_ | My brother almost lost a finger peeling potatoes when we were kids |
| 10:40.40 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 10:40.56 | Neffi_ | (No but seriously, he almost did) |
| 10:43.37 | karl_w_w | well |
| 10:43.54 | karl_w_w | that's what you get for peeling potatos with a knife like a peasant |
| 10:44.12 | Neffi_ | My mother figured a dull butter knife wouldn't be very dangerous |
| 10:44.26 | Neffi_ | I learned that day that all knives were dangerous |
| 10:44.59 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/izb7yDe.jpg <- this is really awesome |
| 10:45.39 | Neffi_ | TBH I think every dish I make with potatoes honestly comes out better with skins intact |
| 10:45.43 | Neffi_ | Especially mashed potatoes |
| 11:32.13 | Neffi_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXuYFih6Y8 <- Carter Beauford - a man that's learned how to treat his cymbals |
| 11:33.03 | Neffi_ | This kind of musical talent should be more widely celebrated |
| 11:33.41 | Neffi_ | Surprisingly daunting to actually play on the drums |
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| 13:15.20 | zenzio | so my old dentist left his job, and as a replacement I got this cute girl roughly my age, maybe a few years younger. It doesn't make going to the dentist fun, but a whole lot nicer now |
| 13:16.25 | Thunder_Child | And she already puts her fingers in your mouth. |
| 13:17.22 | zenzio | yeah, no need for all the gentle introduction |
| 13:17.32 | karl_w_w | is she taking new patients? |
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| 13:26.15 | karl_w_w | noxious just destroyed me in arena |
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| 13:26.30 | karl_w_w | im so blessed |
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| 13:53.51 | karl_w_w | omg ellie goulding again |
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| 13:56.01 | Thunder_Child | Nothing wrong with her music |
| 13:57.46 | karl_w_w | that's a matter of opinion |
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| 15:01.48 | karl_w_w | stuck to my fridge there is a warning |
| 15:02.18 | karl_w_w | advanced notice that we are going to get an invitation to a party for a wedding |
| 15:02.22 | karl_w_w | not a wedding |
| 15:02.26 | karl_w_w | not an invitation |
| 15:03.09 | karl_w_w | not quite sure why people deliberately complicate the process |
| 15:03.23 | karl_w_w | isn't wedding planning meant to be one of the most stressful things in life? |
| 15:03.43 | rid_ | I don't know |
| 15:07.53 | |Jelly| | So you have a 'Save the date' ? |
| 15:10.08 | nicoli_s | depends on how you treat it |
| 15:10.18 | nicoli_s | me and my wife managed to not stress out too bad about our wedding |
| 15:10.26 | nicoli_s | but we did most of the stuff ourselves |
| 15:10.29 | rid_ | http://imgur.com/pHXrQOU |
| 15:15.43 | Lopeppeppy | Elope, it's what's for breakfast. |
| 15:16.07 | Torhal | I thought the word was "Honeymoon" |
| 15:18.54 | |Jelly| | My mother threatened my life to not have a wedding. lol |
| 15:19.05 | |Jelly| | Something about bringing me into this world and what not |
| 15:19.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Elope is what you do when you don't want wedding stress. Honeymoon is where you go to escape after the wedding, stress or not. |
| 15:19.37 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:19.38 | Fisker | for free |
| 15:19.45 | Lopeppeppy | NOOOO! |
| 15:19.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | My package hasn't been delivered yet, there cannot be fishes. |
| 15:19.55 | Fisker | I thought you liked free fish |
| 15:19.58 | Fisker | ah |
| 15:20.02 | Fisker | well then |
| 15:20.15 | Fisker | tips hat and starts backing up |
| 15:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | If you get fish on the keyboard I can't hit F5. |
| 15:23.06 | Fisker | don't they knock? |
| 15:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | I am at work, not at home. I can only live vicariously through F5 for the next 5 hours or so. |
| 15:23.42 | Fisker | what are you getting anyway? |
| 15:23.47 | Fisker | ah |
| 15:23.59 | Lopeppeppy | Skylanders Swap Force. |
| 15:25.43 | Fisker | aha |
| 15:49.14 | Neffi_ | Maybe it's worth giving up the ideal that a wedding should be a representation of extravegance/wealth and instead embrace the idea that a wedding should be a moment you spend with the people you love. |
| 15:49.25 | Neffi_ | Weddings are the most stressful thing in life because people make it so |
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| 15:53.29 | nicoli_s | Neffi_:yep sounds about right |
| 15:53.47 | nicoli_s | had mine at a free venue in a state park on a mountain, was great |
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| 15:56.12 | Neffi_ | I've been to a few family weddings. The best one was the one that the bride didn't make such a big deal out of. |
| 15:56.17 | karl_w_w | these people have decided they are flying to new york to get married |
| 15:56.29 | Neffi_ | They want to get married HERE? |
| 15:56.36 | karl_w_w | new york for fuck's sake |
| 15:56.38 | Neffi_ | People leave NY to get away from stress |
| 15:56.44 | Neffi_ | GL |
| 15:56.59 | karl_w_w | if you're going to fly half way around the world to get married somewhere, make it fucking barbados or something |
| 15:57.22 | jane | oh my god i was just bitching to myself that id rather elope than deal with a wedding but my family would kill me for it lol |
| 15:57.46 | nicoli_s | i loved going cheap on the wedding, then i had alot to spend on the honeymoon |
| 15:57.49 | Lopeppeppy | Elope. Totally. Then throw a big barbeque reception, none of that fancy schmancy dinner crap. |
| 15:58.00 | nicoli_s | 2 weeks vacationing through california + a big music festival, so so great |
| 15:58.07 | jane | went to vegas on holiday and i saw so many pop up wedding chapels it was tempting |
| 15:58.17 | Neffi_ | Protip: You might think it's awesome to get married at some exotic or extravagent place. But the people attending your wedding will fucking hate you for it. |
| 15:59.09 | Neffi_ | Aye. If you do want to spend a lot, I think the honeymoon is the thing to do it on. |
| 15:59.35 | karl_w_w | vacation is a noun |
| 15:59.42 | jane | i think i'm screwed no matter what. everyone attending is basically everywhere but where i want to get married (right at home) |
| 16:00.51 | karl_w_w | "If you do want to spend a lot, I think the car you're going to drive afterwards is the thing to do it on." |
| 16:00.56 | karl_w_w | fixed that for you |
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| 16:01.42 | jane | sparkly ring or a tesla model s? ;) |
| 16:03.00 | Neffi_ | Anyone know of a Skyrim mod that does automatic conditional equip sets? |
| 16:03.27 | Neffi_ | Eg, equip my fortify barter when opening a vendor dialog, equip fortify blacksmith shit when opening the forge, and requip normal shit when done |
| 16:04.06 | Neffi_ | karl_w_w: Well that makes sense too |
| 16:04.24 | Neffi_ | But I don't think it's bad to spend a bit celebrating your new union. Just don't go crazy. |
| 16:04.37 | Neffi_ | Be comfortable with what you can afford |
| 16:04.57 | Neffi_ | jane: +1 for Telsa Model S =) |
| 16:05.07 | Neffi_ | I would love to have the Model S Performance edition |
| 16:05.18 | Neffi_ | Such a beautiful and awesome car |
| 16:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | jane, do what you want, and if they want to attend, awesome. If they can't, they can send a card. |
| 16:06.54 | jane | Lopeppeppy: yeah. they will probably come. but i want a super low key wedding. rather spend $ on a down payment on a house, or actually seriously consider getting a model s |
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| 16:07.16 | jane | diamonds are forever, being stuck in traffic in a nice car is priceless |
| 16:07.44 | jane | i was thinking about having a little wedding in WoW for fun even :p |
| 16:21.33 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't even get an engagement ring until 2 years after the wedding - we had better things to do with our money than that. :) |
| 16:22.47 | nicoli_s | im glad we went real simple on our engagement/wedding rings |
| 16:24.08 | nicoli_s | our wedding rings are matching silver rings with a band of topaz |
| 16:24.28 | Neffi_ | I honestly like silver more than gold anyway |
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| 16:24.38 | Neffi_ | And there are much prettier and more creative things than diamonds |
| 16:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | Ours matched, but his was silver and mine was gold. |
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| 16:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | still have that, I should pawn it or something. |
| 16:37.53 | nicoli_s | melt it down! |
| 16:38.07 | nicoli_s | you can eat the gold over icecream |
| 16:38.32 | Neffi_ | Pfft |
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| 16:38.41 | Neffi_ | Melt it down and pour it over the head of the false dragon |
| 16:38.45 | Neffi_ | That whiny bitch deserves it |
| 16:39.02 | Lopeppeppy | Chromie is NOT a dragon!!! |
| 16:39.09 | Neffi_ | Nobody should disrespect the Khaleesi |
| 16:39.20 | Lopeppeppy | Or is she not a gnome? I lose track, she's nasty slippery like that. |
| 16:40.05 | Stanzilla | both actually |
| 16:40.38 | Neffi_ | Talking about Viserys >_> |
| 16:41.00 | Lopeppeppy | He's a spider. |
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| 16:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Out for delivery is a SCAM I tell you. |
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| 17:15.29 | Fisker | you would pawn your ring Lopeppeppy ? |
| 17:15.35 | Fisker | :O |
| 17:15.51 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know what else to do with it, it's just gathering dust on the back of a shelf now. |
| 17:18.40 | Fisker | I'm generally not the marriage kind of guy but the rings would be like the least silly thing to me I think |
| 17:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | Well it's the only thing I actually still have, Fisker. But it's not like I can give it away like it's regular jewelry or something. |
| 17:29.14 | Fisker | I prefer action figures anyway :D |
| 17:33.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm getting some of those today, yup. A total squid guy, I absolutely cannot WAIT to squid all around the screen. |
| 17:34.38 | Fisker | Yeah I looked them up, seems much more exciting than a ring :P |
| 17:37.13 | Fisker | yes politics |
| 17:38.28 | Fisker | gonna be good to see how someone can piss away 100k€ on plane tickets |
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| 17:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik does that every month, Fisker. |
| 17:45.01 | Fisker | Yeah but atleast he can use his own money for that |
| 17:45.02 | Fisker | :D |
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| 17:58.27 | Neffi_ | Say you're rendering with D3D. Does your process have to account for/map all the resident GPU memory? |
| 17:58.46 | Neffi_ | So in other words, could a 32-bit executable even make use of a GPU with 6 GiB of VRAM? |
| 17:59.59 | ccox | Neffi - that would depend on the GPU driver implementation. But it would make a lot more sense to be using a 64 bit OS (and more RAM on the system than in the video card) |
| 18:01.31 | Neffi_ | Well I'm aware that under Windows, you need a 64-bit OS to make use of 6 GB of VRAM |
| 18:01.48 | Neffi_ | But I'm curious as to what the limitations would be in common game engines, where games are often 32-bit |
| 18:03.36 | Neffi_ | For instance, modding communities often produce much higher quality meshes and textures than games ship with. Could a 32-bit executable get away with saturating a lot of VRAM with textures and meshes, without completely obliterating its addrssable main RAM |
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| 18:05.18 | Neffi_ | I know it's not hard to run up against Skyrim's 3.1 GB limit if you go crazy and use 4K textures everywhere. I'm wondering if this is a limitation of the Creation engine in Skyrim, or if they could've found a way to stuff the VRAM full past what the game process could address. |
| 18:06.15 | Fisker | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940105 |
| 18:06.29 | Fisker | So basically it seems to be necessary for DX9 but DX10 and above |
| 18:06.32 | AcidWeb | FYI that limit is already "fixed" by ENB. |
| 18:06.45 | Gnarfoz | Seerah's birthday is like the Chinese New Year |
| 18:07.00 | Neffi_ | I know that ENB implemented some memory management. I contacted the author about how that's done, and got no response. |
| 18:07.17 | AcidWeb | That is not a suprise. |
| 18:07.20 | Neffi_ | But his modifications aren't circumventing the 3.1GB limit. They're reducing the amount of RAM that Skyrim itself uses. |
| 18:07.42 | Fisker | what 3.1GB limit? |
| 18:07.44 | Neffi_ | I'm guessing he uses compression and shit to achieve it |
| 18:07.57 | Neffi_ | Fisker: Skyrim.exe can only address 3.1 GB of memory |
| 18:08.02 | Fisker | that's weird |
| 18:08.03 | Neffi_ | It crashes past that |
| 18:08.25 | Fisker | That doesn't sound like a windows limitation |
| 18:08.37 | Fisker | Since the max addressable memory is 2 or 3GB depending on the config |
| 18:08.49 | Neffi_ | I'm pretty sure with large address space support it SHOULD be 4 GiB flat |
| 18:09.10 | Fisker | No I believe that only raises it to 3GB |
| 18:09.17 | Neffi_ | But Skyrim does have the support to circumvent the standard 2 GB limit, yet still crashes past 3.1 |
| 18:09.32 | AcidWeb | I think that is simple engine limitation. |
| 18:09.36 | Neffi_ | I'm pretty sure it's not 3 GB |
| 18:10.15 | Neffi_ | The limit with LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE is 3 GB on x86 and 4 GB on x86-64 |
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| 18:10.47 | Fisker | yes |
| 18:11.39 | Neffi_ | Well the 3.1 GB is definitely a limit of the engine somewhere, because it should be 4 GB. But I'm still curious if D3D can somehow account for VRAM memory on your behalf, allowing you to saturate VRAM while still having 4 GiB of system memory to play with |
| 18:13.14 | Neffi_ | More to the point, Bethesda should have supported x86-64 =/ |
| 18:13.56 | Neffi_ | There are some crazy fucks who would've bought a Titan just to be able to mod everything with 4K textures and huge meshes |
| 18:14.07 | AcidWeb | List of things that "Bethesda should have do" is quite long. |
| 18:14.18 | Neffi_ | true |
| 18:14.40 | AcidWeb | Only one Titan? :P |
| 18:14.40 | AcidWeb | I seen somebody with SLI. |
| 18:14.42 | Neffi_ | Open up the Creation Kit and look at the list of things they never got around to implementing |
| 18:14.44 | AcidWeb | Only for Skyrim. |
| 18:15.20 | Neffi_ | Just about every quest line should've been more epic, and some of that epicness was very close to completeness, so it wasn't a huge amount of development time away from reaching release stage |
| 18:15.43 | Neffi_ | If I had a shitload of money, I'd run dual Titans for Skyrim |
| 18:16.09 | Neffi_ | Even if 4K textures isn't feasible, the other improvements are beautiful |
| 18:16.31 | Neffi_ | Running a full suite of graphics mods in Skyrim would probably saturate a single Titan easily |
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| 18:17.04 | AcidWeb | 4K textures visible anyway only if you looking very closely. |
| 18:17.25 | AcidWeb | *are |
| 18:17.56 | Neffi_ | If you're buying a 1000 GPU to run a game, Overkill is your middle name |
| 18:18.03 | Neffi_ | $1000* |
| 18:18.04 | AcidWeb | True. |
| 18:18.22 | Neffi_ | I'd be totally happy with 2K textures.. if I could afford a GPU to run them |
| 18:18.54 | AcidWeb | I have 2gb 680 |
| 18:19.33 | AcidWeb | And im quite satisfied with the results |
| 18:19.37 | AcidWeb | http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/920148818510477844/DB15F47FD4BD31B09696F9972DB72079C29D9EAA/ |
| 18:19.59 | Neffi_ | I have an Intel HD 3000, the mobile variant |
| 18:20.03 | Neffi_ | I can't say I'm happy with it |
| 18:20.14 | AcidWeb | http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/919023475229323400/878B65A9625EBC7B2E41F1D5B6C6F3692406AA9A/ |
| 18:20.17 | AcidWeb | ouch. |
| 18:20.34 | Neffi_ | I have to use a mod that dynamically cuts the rendered resolution of Skyrim between 33% and 50% -- and I'm running 1366x768 |
| 18:20.37 | Stanzilla | Intel HD 3000 is not even a real graphics card :D |
| 18:20.41 | AcidWeb | Sorry I cant consider that as GPU ;p |
| 18:20.59 | Neffi_ | I'll build a nice computer eventually |
| 18:21.00 | Stanzilla | also playing on your gameboy is a bad idea |
| 18:21.15 | Neffi_ | I was happy with it in WoW. Ran at medium. Good enough for me. |
| 18:21.28 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlcYrx_W-tc this is hilarious |
| 18:21.30 | Stanzilla | screen too tiny |
| 18:21.45 | Neffi_ | I got the monitor for free =| |
| 18:22.02 | Neffi_ | AcidWeb: Very foggy |
| 18:22.14 | AcidWeb | volumetric fog |
| 18:22.25 | Neffi_ | Looks better than I thought. |
| 18:22.34 | Neffi_ | That's the volumetric fog might, right? |
| 18:23.03 | AcidWeb | performance version ;p |
| 18:23.51 | AcidWeb | Normal one look even better. |
| 18:24.04 | AcidWeb | But ~30% fps drop is too much for me. |
| 18:24.11 | Neffi_ | Christ |
| 18:24.19 | Neffi_ | Have you tried the volumetric clouds mods? |
| 18:24.21 | Neffi_ | mod* |
| 18:24.23 | AcidWeb | Already have only 45-55 outside. |
| 18:24.31 | AcidWeb | Sadly it is garbage. |
| 18:24.40 | AcidWeb | Look good on photos. |
| 18:26.00 | Neffi_ | Heck, I don't hit 45 at low settings at 50% resolution |
| 18:26.23 | AcidWeb | Im quite shocked it run so well on Intel HD 3000. |
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| 18:26.50 | Neffi_ | Well it's rendering between 1/3rd and 1/2rd of 1366 resolution, at low settings |
| 18:27.03 | Neffi_ | And average ~20 FPS, sometimes dipping to 15 |
| 18:27.32 | Neffi_ | A few areas dipping to 10, because several ELFX shadow+light flicker sources is too much |
| 18:27.50 | Neffi_ | Actually runs better outside than inside because of ELFX, but I enjoy the mod too much to disable it |
| 18:27.54 | AcidWeb | In my case obviously ENB is biggest FPS killer. |
| 18:28.14 | Neffi_ | I've seen mods get pretty impressive lighting results |
| 18:28.24 | zenzelezz | Earth and Beyond? |
| 18:28.34 | Neffi_ | If I had that hardware, I'd push it as far as I could with mods before thinking about using ENB |
| 18:29.03 | Neffi_ | The engine is fairly capable when you feed it good textures and meshes, and convert all the ambient or fake light sources to true, shadow-casting light sources with correct color |
| 18:29.29 | Neffi_ | ELFX + Climates of Tamriel + SMIM + Skyrim HD 2K alone looks really good |
| 18:29.35 | AcidWeb | Hundreds of mods will not give you even half that ENB can do. |
| 18:29.38 | Neffi_ | Dynavision if you want depth of field |
| 18:29.57 | Neffi_ | Quality > quantity. You can do a total graphics overhaul with few mods. |
| 18:30.16 | Neffi_ | And that's totally true. But the right sleection of mods can give you great results with much less of a performance impact than ENB |
| 18:30.25 | Xuerian | You need the light and shadow correction from at least base enb (Or one of the lighting mods that does the same thing) either way |
| 18:30.29 | Neffi_ | Quality-per-performance, there are several mods that are more "worth it" |
| 18:30.54 | Neffi_ | Xuerian: While it's nice to have ENB's lighting, ELFX looks quite amazing on its own |
| 18:30.57 | Xuerian | Regardless of if you #bloom360novision or not |
| 18:31.17 | Xuerian | Neffi_: You and I just disagree then, because I think shadows that don't look like unadultred butt need to go |
| 18:31.24 | Xuerian | er, that do* |
| 18:33.04 | Xuerian | I also ended up dumping CoT, even though it was nice.. http://i.imgur.com/qUfMLnB.png |
| 18:34.26 | AcidWeb | I use CoT + RLO |
| 18:34.28 | Neffi_ | You have some good mods |
| 18:34.42 | Neffi_ | I think Realistic Waters Two is better than WATER tbh |
| 18:34.57 | AcidWeb | But not bare CoT. There are few plugins that really improve it. |
| 18:35.02 | Neffi_ | And you might look into Audio Overhaul for Skyrim (AOS). It just came out, but it looks like a big improvement to the soundscape. |
| 18:35.10 | Neffi_ | He recommends dumping SoS though |
| 18:35.14 | Xuerian | Shrug, probably. I didn't focus much on water, but I did have to downscale from HD textures |
| 18:35.29 | AcidWeb | But anyway it is all a matter of taste. |
| 18:35.37 | AcidWeb | There is reaso why there is so many ENB presets. |
| 18:35.43 | Xuerian | Honestly, SMIM and Better waterfall LoD were probably the biggest improvements |
| 18:36.07 | Neffi_ | I'm happy that RWT offers vanilla-sized textures, because it's really nice. Even does enhanced water sounds, full cell edits so stagnant pools really look stagnant (etc) and boats even bob in the water |
| 18:36.13 | Fisker | so you got it yet Lopeppeppy ? |
| 18:36.21 | Fisker | I wanna give out some brunch |
| 18:36.36 | Neffi_ | Realitic Water Two also has a module to improve performance when using distant waterfall mods |
| 18:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | Grrr, argh. "Out for Delivery." It's like the longest status in the world. :) |
| 18:36.55 | AcidWeb | I use few mods more... https://gist.github.com/AcidWeb/9db5af49844c6e2d825f |
| 18:36.59 | Xuerian | Neffi_: Huh. Well, if I ever redo it I'll have to try it, but at this rate I want to finish teh game at least once |
| 18:37.09 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 18:37.35 | Neffi_ | He just made icebergs and other ice pieces bob in the water too |
| 18:37.49 | Neffi_ | I disabled that though, because I figure it'd be an impact on my GPU |
| 18:38.20 | Neffi_ | Unless it's script-heavy, in which case I'm trying to really lean down how many mods use constant scripts, because I'm running Deadly Combat now and script latency sucks |
| 18:39.52 | Xuerian | AcidWeb: Oh, Better Dialog/messagebox controls, those two mods ruined my gaming for the following weeks. I tried to navigate menus with WASD and couldn't stop ranting about not being able to =\ |
| 18:40.12 | AcidWeb | heh ;] |
| 18:40.38 | Neffi_ | Some nice mods there. I recently tried out Wearable Lanterns and then got rid of it fast |
| 18:40.58 | Neffi_ | Its scripts are severely broken. They throw errors like mad. It's causing CTDs like crazy for some people. |
| 18:41.15 | Neffi_ | After installing it on top of a perfectly great playthrough, I started getting CTDs a few days later |
| 18:41.48 | Neffi_ | Author claims he will fix it "soon". It's been a while, and no fix |
| 18:42.17 | AcidWeb | I dont have any shutter and I dont seen any CTD for months. |
| 18:42.35 | Fisker | heh Lopeppeppy |
| 18:42.49 | Fisker | Tracking here sucks |
| 18:43.04 | AcidWeb | But - yes. Achieving this state cost me way to much time ;p |
| 18:43.08 | Fisker | Sometimes we can't even see it's close to us before we get it delivered |
| 18:43.21 | Fisker | but atleast the country is small enough that basically everything can be sent day to day |
| 18:44.35 | Neffi_ | Well issues are totally hit and miss |
| 18:44.45 | Neffi_ | Some people play fine with Papyrus throwing errors every .5 sec |
| 18:45.21 | Neffi_ | The engine is particularly weird with how it treats scripts. A single error or attempt to access a bad reference could begin consisntely crashing, even though the other 1000 errors or bad references didn't |
| 18:45.36 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I would be better off not knowing. *le sniff* I've been hitting refresh since 1am! |
| 18:45.39 | Neffi_ | Here's my new playthrough mod list as of last night: http://i.imgur.com/0Nw8Vk6.png |
| 18:45.56 | Neffi_ | I reduced a lot of the "frills" mods like Wet & Cold to keep script performance up and memory usage down |
| 18:46.01 | Neffi_ | And reduce the potential sources of failure |
| 18:46.40 | Neffi_ | But I was running close to 100 mods before this new list |
| 18:48.20 | AcidWeb | Slighty offtopic... Anybody here maybe still use OSX 10.7.x? |
| 18:48.44 | Fisker | comforts Lopeppeppy |
| 18:50.13 | Neffi_ | Xuerian: Your load order is very weird. Do you use BOSS? |
| 18:50.51 | Xuerian | Neffi_: Yeah, it's missing the top of the list and this was done a few months ago. |
| 18:50.53 | Neffi_ | For one the only thing that should be after your Bashed Patch is ASIS. And other things are definitely out of order with BOSS's master list. |
| 18:50.58 | Neffi_ | Ah |
| 18:51.56 | Xuerian | And the last two mods I just put in and said "screw it" |
| 18:52.13 | Neffi_ | >_> |
| 19:06.18 | Rythal | hrmm.. someone is asking me the cost to get wow + all expansions, but the store only shows starter upgrade and MoP .... did cata get moved into the starter pack anyone know? |
| 19:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | 50 bucks and a new computer per expansion! |
| 19:07.21 | bleeter | not sure a fiddy buck computer could run the installer, let alone the game |
| 19:08.54 | foxlit | Rythal: no |
| 19:08.58 | foxlit | Rythal: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/shop/ |
| 19:10.06 | foxlit | though they're being rather horrible at showing actual prices without logging in. |
| 19:11.03 | Rythal | damnit... i was hopeful :/ trying to talk them into WoW instead of GW2 lol |
| 19:11.28 | foxlit | gw2 is nice, too. |
| 19:11.37 | bleeter | ok, this is weird |
| 19:11.43 | bleeter | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/shop/ shows cata |
| 19:11.52 | bleeter | http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:1 doesn't show cata |
| 19:11.59 | Rythal | aye.. that's why I wondered if it got moved |
| 19:12.10 | bleeter | gah hang on |
| 19:12.20 | bleeter | enables JS |
| 19:12.24 | foxlit | they blizzard store tells you absolutely nothing about what you're purchasing. |
| 19:12.27 | foxlit | s/they/the/ |
| 19:12.29 | Fisker | only wrath |
| 19:12.32 | bleeter | checks page 2 |
| 19:12.34 | Lopeppeppy | AND a new computer, bleeter. Game is $50, say an average of 1K in computer upgrades per expansion, so each WoW expansion costs roughly $1050. :) |
| 19:12.36 | bleeter | nope, not on P2 |
| 19:12.36 | Fisker | pretty sure |
| 19:12.50 | Rythal | even page 2 doesn't... it just says starter upgrade $20, then mop $40 |
| 19:13.00 | Fisker | Or I guess not |
| 19:13.05 | Fisker | my standard account is cataclysm level now |
| 19:13.40 | Fisker | though the site still only lists wrath |
| 19:13.50 | Fisker | oh yeah |
| 19:13.52 | Fisker | sor upgrade |
| 19:13.54 | Fisker | nevermind :o |
| 19:14.03 | bleeter | Rythal: might be easiest to ring up your local game store, and ask them what's in the default pack =) |
| 19:14.08 | Fisker | It's only up to WotLK Rythal |
| 19:14.16 | Fisker | so WotLK + Cataclysm + MOP to upgrade fully |
| 19:14.25 | Rythal | even the FAQ for starter doesn't mention cata... it just says "Upgrade to the full version of World of Warcraft online through Battle.net Account Management. You can purchase the Mists of Pandaria expansion separately." |
| 19:14.29 | bleeter | or use skype to hassle the blizzard free phone number |
| 19:14.41 | foxlit | amazon.co.uk: "World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Expansion Pack (PC/Mac DVD) (2010) £1.89 PC/Mac " |
| 19:15.13 | Rythal | the starter faq was updated yesterday :| so I wonder if it does include it.... |
| 19:15.28 | Rythal | you'd think they'd announce it tho if it did... so confusing |
| 19:15.41 | Fisker | well faq could be updated just before the announcement |
| 19:15.58 | Fisker | what do you mean starter edition anyway? :P |
| 19:16.02 | Fisker | That's the trial version |
| 19:16.15 | foxlit | they stopped calling it trial when it became f2p forever. |
| 19:16.40 | Fisker | yeah whatever |
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| 19:16.43 | Fisker | but it's not the "full game" |
| 19:16.43 | Fisker | btw |
| 19:16.56 | foxlit | "free cheese" edition. |
| 19:16.56 | Fisker | Upgrade to the full version of World of Warcraft online through Battle.net Account Management. There are five game licenses, and the game must be upgraded in order of their release; World of Warcraft, The Burning Crusade, and Wrath of the Lich King are available in a bundle as the WoW Battle Chest. You can purchase the Cataclysm and Mists of Pandaria expansions separately. |
| 19:17.00 | Fisker | Upgrade to the full version of World of Warcraft online through Battle.net Account Management. You can purchase the Mists of Pandaria expansion separately. |
| 19:17.04 | Fisker | Looks like you are correct |
| 19:17.10 | Fisker | Cataclysm will probably become baseline soon |
| 19:17.23 | Fisker | but hasn't been announced yet |
| 19:17.28 | Fisker | or gone into effect |
| 19:17.38 | foxlit | in any case, it looks like you can buy cata for negligible amounts of money. |
| 19:17.47 | Rythal | Ok... it's confirmed, I just logged into my battle.net and for EU, it's only wrath.... for US, it says it includes cata now. |
| 19:17.56 | Rythal | battle to 85, fly in azeroth etc etc |
| 19:18.06 | Fisker | true |
| 19:18.07 | Fisker | infact |
| 19:18.12 | Fisker | if you upgrade directly to mop it's free |
| 19:18.15 | Fisker | basically |
| 19:18.36 | Fisker | :o |
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| 19:22.04 | Rythal | which also doesn't make sense... since they say starter + mop = 79.97, but buy them together and its 59.99 .... the blizzard store shows starter 19.99, mop 39.99 so your not saving anything :P |
| 19:22.39 | foxlit | i.e. + 19.99 for cata. |
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| 19:28.59 | Semlar | are they planning on coalescing 2 realms per week |
| 19:34.41 | alestane | What are you waiting on, Peppy? |
| 19:35.08 | Fisker | Skylanders Swap Force |
| 19:38.54 | Primer | Semlar: This connected realms thing is already taking way too long |
| 19:39.08 | Semlar | yeah.. |
| 19:39.30 | Semlar | maybe it'll speed up after they decide it works |
| 19:39.43 | Lopeppeppy | I neeeeeeed it alestane! *pace pace pace* |
| 19:43.24 | Ressy | Apparently maintenance just completed |
| 19:43.46 | alestane | My repaired logic board went out for delivery first thing in the morning and arrived at about 5:30pm. |
| 19:43.56 | alestane | I think I must have been at the end of the delivery route. |
| 19:44.43 | alestane | We could wish there was a "next stop on route" status, but that much granularity might not be good for us. |
| 19:45.07 | alestane | But it won't matter before 5 or so, anyway, right? Aren't you at work? |
| 19:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | So? I wanna know! *laugh* |
| 19:56.16 | foxlit | Some people take pride in being irrational. |
| 19:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | You've never gotten Package Delivery Fever, foxlit? |
| 19:57.54 | foxlit | It's not relevant around here. |
| 19:58.08 | foxlit | If you aren't around to receive it, it doesn't get delivered to you. |
| 19:58.44 | Fisker | unless they just deliver it |
| 19:58.51 | foxlit | So there's no point in refreshing an "out for delivery" tracking page. |
| 19:58.58 | Fisker | not that we have one :D |
| 19:59.11 | Xuerian | # Attempted delivery, customer did not reach door in 3.4 seconds. |
| 20:00.27 | Semlar | the delivery people in my area get a running start, throw the package at the door and are back in the truck before it lands |
| 20:00.33 | foxlit | Furthermore, even if it was left on your porch or something, it still doesn't seem necessary to seek constant status updates -- it's not like you can do anything about it until you're back home. |
| 20:01.36 | Fisker | you don't suffer from F5-syndrome I see |
| 20:01.36 | Semlar | not being able to do anything about it doesn't mean people don't want updates |
| 20:02.03 | foxlit | (if this line of messages came with an avatar, it'd be one of a grumpy cat. If it was voiced, it'd be in Marvin's monotone. Adjust your imagination accordingly) |
| 20:03.51 | Lopeppeppy | The FedEx F5 Dance is purely American, I realize. |
| 20:04.14 | Fisker | Hey I F5 as well :( |
| 20:04.18 | Fisker | It just doesn't make sense here |
| 20:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | Why am I now singing "Within You" like it's the FedEx theme song? |
| 20:11.25 | bleeter | 06:56 < foxlit> Some people take pride in being irrational. << the profession is called 'politician' |
| 20:12.01 | bleeter | s/sion/sional/ |
| 20:12.39 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: I hope that was a rhetorical question because I'd hate to upset you :P |
| 20:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | We've covered irrational already. And Labyrinth is a classic fantasy flick. |
| 20:15.53 | Neffi_ | You've already covered irrational? |
| 20:16.04 | Lopeppeppy | With a thick layer of candy coating. |
| 20:16.19 | Neffi_ | Our computer's still trying to cover pi, let alone all the other irrationals |
| 20:16.32 | Neffi_ | I suspect it will take infinity years to cover the topic |
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| 20:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | A different sort of covering entirely. A bit more like an SEP field. |
| 20:18.50 | Neffi_ | Everything's a SEP problem when you're apathetic |
| 20:19.26 | Neffi_ | in other news, lol: http://i.imgur.com/syzeppx.jpg |
| 20:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Delicious experimental GMO crops! |
| 20:20.33 | Neffi_ | I don't think watermelons are supposed to taste salty |
| 20:20.38 | Neffi_ | Or be a weird tinge of yellow |
| 20:22.25 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen yellow watermelon, no lie! |
| 20:23.03 | Neffi_ | I don't believe you |
| 20:23.53 | Neffi_ | haha http://imgur.com/gallery/U1Nprbx |
| 20:23.55 | Neffi_ | title makes it |
| 20:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | https://www.google.com/search?q=yellow+watermelon |
| 20:25.44 | Unkle | Yellow watermelon is not uncommon; can get it locally in the grocer's. |
| 20:25.48 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going home to meet Mr. Squid! Bye bye. |
| 20:26.00 | Neffi_ | O.o |
| 20:26.21 | Neffi_ | Why don't I have yellow watermelon? |
| 20:26.26 | Neffi_ | In fact, why don't I have watermelon? |
| 20:26.45 | Semlar | i don't understand what people have against GMO food |
| 20:28.01 | Neffi_ | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/PToGT |
| 20:28.27 | Neffi_ | That actor's facial expressions are so subtle and awesome |
| 20:28.37 | Neffi_ | Definitely an underrated actor |
| 20:35.24 | Neffi_ | cool http://imgur.com/gallery/93gSo |
| 20:45.00 | Fisker | this spacebase thing makes me seasick :( |
| 20:45.01 | Fisker | I think |
| 20:50.41 | Neffi_ | some pretty good shit here: http://imgur.com/a/6EPQG/layout/blog |
| 20:50.45 | Neffi_ | video game wallpapers, a lot of them |
| 20:50.57 | Neffi_ | (Nothing Blizzard though) |
| 20:53.22 | fewyn | i just use the daily bing wallpaper |
| 20:53.29 | fewyn | i rarely see it anyways |
| 20:53.41 | Neffi_ | evil bastard |
| 20:53.54 | fewyn | i'm one of those weirdos that actually likes windows 8 |
| 20:53.58 | fewyn | and has a windows 8 phone |
| 20:54.00 | Mr_Rabies | this is my phone wallpaper: http://thebatmanuniverse.net/image/TV/News/01-Batman-The%20Brave%20and%20the%20Bold/Season%202/025-Bat-Mite%20Presents-Batman's%20Strangest%20Cases/BTBTB-Bat-mite%20Presents%20Batman's%20Strangest%20Cases%20Screenshot%2002.jpg |
| 20:54.06 | Mr_Rabies | (of course, cropped and resized) |
| 20:54.19 | Neffi_ | fewyn: weirdo indeed |
| 20:54.38 | fewyn | my lock screen randomly selects images from http://www.reddit.com/r/WPLockscreens/ |
| 20:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | batman brave and the bold could pretty much become a wallpaper at any point |
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| 21:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | http://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/batman_braveandbold_mitefall_surfing.jpg |
| 21:02.56 | Neffi_ | ... is that... Scrappy Doo? |
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| 21:05.12 | Mr_Rabies | sort of |
| 21:05.32 | Mr_Rabies | that episode has a lot of parodies of terrible things that happen to make them suck |
| 21:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | terrible batman toys with insane accessories, scrappy doo type characters |
| 21:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | pretty sure they proceed to jump a shark at one point |
| 21:14.39 | Arrowmaster | so i take it no announcement from google today? |
| 21:15.31 | Neffi_ | What were they syupposed to be announcing? |
| 21:15.55 | Arrowmaster | rumor was nexus5 |
| 21:17.55 | Neffi_ | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/google-fiber-now-explicitly-permits-home-servers/ |
| 21:18.22 | Neffi_ | I'm pretty sure this makes it one of the only ones -- if not THE only ISP -- in the US to officially allow you to serve content on your home connection |
| 21:18.27 | Neffi_ | Non-commercial of course |
| 21:18.47 | Neffi_ | Which makes people's protest of their former refusal to allow is quite perplexing |
| 21:18.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah i saw that |
| 21:18.54 | Neffi_ | NO ISP allows serving on home connections |
| 21:19.02 | Neffi_ | Big +1 to Google for allowing that |
| 21:19.16 | Arrowmaster | they all mostly mean no commercial but google is the first to put that on paper |
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| 21:19.29 | Neffi_ | Well sort of |
| 21:19.58 | Neffi_ | Every agreement I've ever seen have an explicit cause disallowing it. Sure, they may allow it in practice, but they reserve an explicit right to cancel service if you do it. |
| 21:20.25 | Neffi_ | In fact, a friend of mine got his service shut down for hosting a game server on his home connection, a while ago. I think Comcast was the offending ISP. |
| 21:26.16 | Mr_Rabies | terms of service are basically things to fall back on when shit hits the fan |
| 21:26.26 | Mr_Rabies | you don't really enforce it until someone forces your hand |
| 21:30.13 | Neffi_ | Comcast is a particularly shitty company |
| 21:30.21 | Neffi_ | They wanted to push the business line on him |
| 21:30.40 | Neffi_ | As I recall his traffic wasnt really all that high either |
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| 21:30.50 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could at least get comcast here :( |
| 21:31.01 | Mr_Rabies | the fastest net i can get is about 3 Mbit DSL through ATT |
| 21:31.01 | Neffi_ | Wow |
| 21:31.13 | Neffi_ | =/ |
| 21:31.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm paying for 6 Mbit, but it gets to about 3 |
| 21:32.14 | Neffi_ | that's pretty bad |
| 21:32.17 | Mr_Rabies | oh, and it drops out for a minute every 4 hours or so |
| 21:32.22 | Mr_Rabies | almost exactly 4 hours, actually |
| 21:32.30 | Neffi_ | have you spoken to ATT about getting half of what you pay for? |
| 21:32.38 | Mr_Rabies | 4:30, 8:30, 12:30, 4:30, 8:30, 12:30 |
| 21:32.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but then they'll just drop me down to the 3Mbit tier and i'll be capped there |
| 21:32.57 | Mr_Rabies | and it's like $5 a month difference at most |
| 21:33.13 | Neffi_ | I wonder if that's the subject of this WTF: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/833-Uptime.aspx |
| 21:33.15 | Neffi_ | heh |
| 21:33.32 | Mr_Rabies | uptime nor any speed is guaranteed |
| 21:33.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'm paying for access to "up to 6 mbit" |
| 21:33.49 | Mr_Rabies | and no uptime guarantees |
| 21:33.51 | Neffi_ | Sometimes I forget that FiOS is in a much higher class |
| 21:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | this is what happens when there's no competition |
| 21:34.02 | Neffi_ | I've literally never gotten speeds as LOW as what's advertised |
| 21:34.14 | Neffi_ | I pay for 20/5, I get 25/~6 |
| 21:34.26 | Neffi_ | Speed NEVER dips |
| 21:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | i pay $46 a month for basically 3 Mbit/512kbit DSL that drops out constantly |
| 21:34.49 | Neffi_ | That's just inhumane =( |
| 21:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | that's how monopolies roll |
| 21:35.49 | Mr_Rabies | inhumanity is practically their M.O. |
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| 21:58.51 | kd3 | neffi, I feel your pain. I pay about the same for 1.5/128 |
| 22:01.42 | Arrowmaster | i just got an email today saying i need to call in for a phone meeting tomorrow from 4:30 to 5:00, i hope i get out early enough to be home for that |
| 22:02.45 | Arrowmaster | i left around 3:45 and got home at 5:10 ish today |
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| 22:16.09 | zenzelezz | do you have to be at home for the meeting? |
| 22:18.03 | Arrowmaster | no but i would rather not be on the interstate |
| 22:29.57 | Neffi_ | The most well received new release sounds like a retarded Michael Bay movie |
| 22:30.04 | Neffi_ | Anyone got a movie recommendation? |
| 22:33.34 | xyphoid | do you mean gravity? |
| 22:33.35 | xyphoid | it's goooood |
| 22:33.55 | Neffi_ | Something that's out on disc |
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| 22:40.02 | Grivvel | Neffi_: What genre? |
| 22:40.22 | Neffi_ | Anything really. Preferably something contemporary. Good plot. |
| 22:40.49 | Neffi_ | Mystery, psycho-thriller, dark fantasy, adventure-fantasy are my favorites |
| 22:41.08 | Neffi_ | Futuristic sci-fi is OK if it's not cliched garbage |
| 22:41.17 | Neffi_ | Pretty much anything else is OK if it's engaging |
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| 23:04.54 | Neffi_ | Meh. Think I'll watch some more Elder Scrolls Lore series instead of a movie |
| 23:05.17 | Neffi_ | Really good series by ShoddyCast if anyone likes that sort of things |
| 23:05.26 | Neffi_ | Incredibly well researched and told |
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