| 00:11.11 | Shirik | new wildfire started today |
| 00:11.11 | Shirik | yay |
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| 00:27.02 | Neffi | that's pretty morbid, Shirik |
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| 00:27.37 | Neffi | oh cool http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/google-offers-leet-cash-prizes-for-updates-to-linux-and-other-os-software/ |
| 00:27.53 | Neffi | "Google is offering rewards as high as $3,133.70 for software updates that improve the security of OpenSSL, OpenSSH, BIND, and several other open-source packages that are critical to the stability of the Internet. |
| 00:27.53 | Neffi | " |
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| 02:03.25 | Thunder_Child | I'm a guy in a house full of women and I seem to be the only person to put down the lid of the toilet. |
| 02:03.53 | kd3|hate`net | winces |
| 02:06.13 | Neffi | Then maybe you should stop it |
| 02:06.58 | Thunder_Child | Not if you knew what came out of it when you flushed |
| 02:06.58 | bluspacecow | brb watering plants |
| 02:07.30 | Neffi | wtf |
| 02:08.38 | Thunder_Child | so why does WD and HGST both sell HDD's? |
| 02:08.54 | Neffi | HGST = budget? |
| 02:08.57 | kd3 | branding? |
| 02:10.12 | Thunder_Child | I wonder how the quality compares |
| 02:10.50 | Neffi | WoW devs are lucky |
| 02:11.06 | Neffi | Between Wowpedia and #wowuidev, we actually have pretty rich resources at our disposal |
| 02:11.28 | Neffi | I didn't notice this until now. Skyrim modding is a bitch in comparison. |
| 02:11.48 | Neffi | The only wiki has like 10 useless articles, no IRC, and the forum is mostly people that don't know their ass from their elbow |
| 02:12.06 | Neffi | So I guess every good mod developer has independently taught themselves and reinvented the wheel |
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| 02:19.28 | Thunder_Child | So make some useful articles |
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| 02:26.54 | Neffi | I'm just making my first mod now |
| 02:51.16 | bleeter | Cairenn: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-10/hitchhiking-platypus-survives-car-trip/5013792 |
| 02:51.59 | Cairenn | Amazing that it survived |
| 02:52.07 | bluspacecow | (!) |
| 02:52.13 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.23 | bluspacecow | it's blades are creating that much bass its shaking ma floor |
| 02:52.25 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 02:52.34 | kd3 | is it hovering a few meters above your house? |
| 02:52.53 | bluspacecow | nah it's just really nosey |
| 02:52.55 | bluspacecow | actually |
| 02:52.56 | bluspacecow | BRB |
| 02:53.00 | Neffi | you better hope it doesn't pull a skrillex and drop the bass |
| 02:57.32 | bluspacecow | DROPTHEBASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 03:00.43 | Shirik | wubwubwub |
| 03:00.47 | Shirik | wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub |
| 03:01.06 | Amarande | hm. were the stats always this crappy on gear in the 1-10 zones, or have they started the Great Gear Recentering? |
| 03:01.43 | Amarande | started a gnome monk, apart from 1 measly point of int on the staff from the monk class quest at level 3, there seems to be nary a single stat point (apart from Armor and base DPS) on any gear from any quest until level 10 now |
| 03:01.54 | Amarande | I don't remember it being that spartan last time I started a character :S |
| 03:14.26 | bluspacecow | http://www.pinterest.com/pin/98234835595596494/ |
| 03:14.28 | bluspacecow | LOL |
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| 03:28.18 | Neffi | =) |
| 03:28.29 | Neffi | Looks a lot like my old cat |
| 03:32.53 | pompy1 | Windows Users: New Windows Update - http://lifehacker.com/recover-tons-of-wasted-disk-space-with-the-new-windows-1442937625 |
| 03:34.12 | Neffi | about time |
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| 03:49.32 | Neffi | Have any of you web gurus read Ars's Web Served series? http://arstechnica.com/series/web-served/ |
| 03:49.43 | Neffi | If so, what do you think about the articles, his recommendation, software used, etc |
| 03:51.47 | bluspacecow | is radish a fruit or a vegetable. |
| 03:51.52 | bluspacecow | is what I think of his articles |
| 03:52.50 | xyphoid | it doesn't look like unreasonable things for a series like that at first glance |
| 03:54.24 | xyphoid | i wouldn't use the stack you end up with for anything for real the first time around, you are going to fuck up the security at some point |
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| 03:56.21 | Neffi | Well I figure you're gonna fuck things up anyway. Really just contemplating for a fuck-around setup. |
| 03:56.30 | Neffi | Something for somebody with no real web experience to learn a bit on |
| 03:56.39 | Neffi | And maybe do a couple neat things locally |
| 03:57.44 | xyphoid | running your webserver as a local VM is definitely the thing to do |
| 03:58.25 | Neffi | When I eventually do build a little always-on box, I figured I could use it to host some bullshit stuff |
| 03:58.53 | Neffi | Maybe serve some prettified HTML and web apps for accessing some of my stuff from elsewhere |
| 03:59.02 | Neffi | Instead of relying on ssh and shit |
| 03:59.53 | Neffi | Probably is a good idea to put that behind some sort of wall to buffer against any exploits, like a VM or fBSD jail |
| 04:01.32 | sintAcks | setting a bunch of locals (for a combatlogeventunfiltered) with a single select(1, ...) is better than using multiple selects()s right ... |
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| 04:09.54 | Neffi | sintAcks: Give me an example? |
| 04:13.46 | Neffi | You never need select(1,...). Just do: a,b,d,e = ... |
| 04:13.52 | Seerah | sintAcks: local var1, var2, var3, ......... |
| 04:13.56 | Neffi | And really it's all up to taste |
| 04:13.56 | Seerah | ^^ Neffi beat me |
| 04:14.11 | Neffi | Some developers don't like doing: local _,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,_,a1 = ... |
| 04:14.49 | Neffi | select should be efficient enough that your code cleanliness matters more. Generally, I use select(N,...) when the amount of underscores looks ugly |
| 04:15.23 | Seerah | and _,_,this,_,_,_,_,that,_,_,_,_,other = ... is better than three select() |
| 04:15.24 | Neffi | It's if it's only a couple throaways, I don't use select. But the difference is negligible |
| 04:15.38 | Neffi | Well define better, Seerah |
| 04:15.59 | Neffi | I would actually use select 3 times in that case because it's just ugly and unreadable |
| 04:16.08 | Seerah | less function calls... I can read it :p |
| 04:16.11 | Neffi | Sure, it's some .000000001% slower, but so what |
| 04:16.29 | Semlar | it's actually a lot more percents slower |
| 04:16.34 | Seerah | but with CLEU, you want those minimal upgrades in speed |
| 04:16.56 | Neffi | Micro-optimization doesn't gain you anything in the world of multi-threaded, non-real-mode processors with complex cache and branch predictors that run at several gigahertz |
| 04:17.01 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 04:17.32 | Seerah | wow addons run single-threaded |
| 04:17.33 | Neffi | Any gains you get will be lost among the margin of error. Your CPU scheduler and CPU's own workings have enough of an impact that you literally get zero gain. |
| 04:17.54 | Semlar | i don't consider not using select to be a microoptimization |
| 04:18.03 | Semlar | it's more like good practice |
| 04:18.15 | Neffi | I don't think so |
| 04:18.52 | Seerah | it depends on how often your code is being run. with CLEU, it does make a difference. |
| 04:19.38 | Seerah | or for an OnUpdate, for example |
| 04:21.12 | Semlar | plus with an event like CLEU you can just define most of the variables in the function arguments |
| 04:21.14 | Seerah | function calls are slower. And the select() function travels through each return until it gets to the number you want (and then returns that one and all others after it anyway) |
| 04:21.17 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.22 | Seerah | teehee! |
| 04:21.34 | bluspacecow | hi! |
| 04:21.39 | Seerah | hai2u! |
| 04:24.40 | Fisker | hey stop licking other people bluspacecow :( |
| 04:24.49 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 04:24.53 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.13 | Semlar | you don't know where that's been |
| 04:25.22 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/qB2vhxSy the difference isn't big |
| 04:25.29 | Fisker | Don't lick me with that tongue :( |
| 04:25.29 | Fisker | It has Seerah all over it |
| 04:25.33 | Fisker | I do know Semlar :( |
| 04:25.48 | Semlar | Neffi: i benchmarked function calls they are way the hell slower than that test would indicate |
| 04:26.06 | Neffi | They're not really that slow |
| 04:26.14 | Neffi | Sure every function call costs something, but it's not like it's a lot |
| 04:26.16 | Semlar | they were hundreds if not thousands of times slower |
| 04:26.34 | Semlar | i don't know why select would be any different |
| 04:26.44 | Neffi | Depends on the functions in question |
| 04:26.49 | Neffi | Depends heavily on the code in question |
| 04:27.10 | Neffi | And if they were thousands of times slower while doing similar things, I'd venture to bet you misplaced a 0 somewhere while benchmarking |
| 04:27.45 | Seerah | but, again, wow addons run single-threaded. When you're in combat in a raid, you want every .0000000001 second you can get with your code so that you don't slow down the framerate |
| 04:27.57 | Semlar | i was literally just comparing the difference between using a snippet of code in line or taking it out and calling it from a separate function |
| 04:28.04 | Neffi | Well that's an exaggeration Seerah |
| 04:28.15 | Neffi | You don't need every .0000000001 second |
| 04:28.25 | Semlar | did you run this test in an addon or just a lua intepreter |
| 04:28.31 | Neffi | Lua interpreter |
| 04:28.32 | Seerah | now you're just being difficult :) |
| 04:28.36 | Semlar | go try that in an addon |
| 04:28.45 | Neffi | You think the difference will be major? |
| 04:28.46 | Neffi | Hint: no |
| 04:28.54 | Semlar | i didn't use os.clock so i don't know if that's the problem though |
| 04:29.01 | Neffi | Because WoW is single threaded, it will be the same. Unless WoW's Lua fork diverges significantly |
| 04:29.09 | Neffi | What did you use? |
| 04:29.20 | Neffi | os.clock() measures CPU time, so it should be fairly accurate |
| 04:29.29 | Semlar | debugprofilestop |
| 04:29.33 | sintAcks | |12:13:36 am| [Neffi] You never need select(1,...). Just do: a,b,d,e = ... |
| 04:29.33 | sintAcks | |12:13:42 am| @[Seerah] sintAcks: local var1, var2, var3, ......... |
| 04:29.39 | sintAcks | oh yeah. i'm dumb. k? k. |
| 04:29.43 | Neffi | lol |
| 04:29.48 | sintAcks | BRB CLIFF |
| 04:29.53 | Fisker | nope |
| 04:30.11 | Seerah | sintAcks: :) /pat |
| 04:31.06 | bluspacecow | @sintAcks DO A BARRELL ROLL |
| 04:31.06 | sintAcks | WhoInterrupted uses select() like.. 7 times |
| 04:31.16 | kd3 | hah. my parents just left on a trip to universal orlando and this happens. (they weren't on the ride, just in the park): http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-passengers-stuck-roller-coaster-universal-studi-20131009,0,3026424.story |
| 04:31.17 | Neffi | Oh and Semlar |
| 04:31.19 | Semlar | sure, people use it |
| 04:31.23 | Neffi | aka Roxanne |
| 04:31.25 | Semlar | it doesn't mean they really should |
| 04:31.33 | sintAcks | yeah. so i'm changing it to not do that |
| 04:31.39 | Neffi | This xkcd is very, very relevant to function calls supposedly being 100 times slower http://xkcd.com/1252/ |
| 04:31.41 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 04:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | that one coaster at six flags over GA used to always lock up |
| 04:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe it was disneyworld, yeah, it was the uh, wooden minecar coaster thing |
| 04:33.57 | Neffi | replace risk with time obviously |
| 04:34.02 | Neffi | now, I go take shower |
| 04:34.05 | Semlar | the only thing i've found actually necessary to use select for is to get the argument count from vararg |
| 04:35.02 | Neffi | which is useful |
| 04:35.07 | Mr_Rabies | big thunder mountain |
| 04:35.10 | Neffi | I'm not saying abuse select and use it a dozen times |
| 04:35.21 | Mr_Rabies | i think i went on it 3 times and two times it locked up on seperate trips |
| 04:35.27 | Neffi | I'm saying doing: local a,b,c = select(17,...) is not worse than using 16 throwaways |
| 04:35.29 | Mr_Rabies | years apart |
| 04:35.55 | Neffi | And using it 2-3 times isn't necessarily very bad. Certainly not bad enough that you should care if somebody else is doing it. |
| 04:36.20 | Neffi | Now if they manage to actually take up a while millisecond of time in CLEU, then you should castrate them and hang them in the town square |
| 04:36.47 | Neffi | But there are many ways to be inefficient and many ways to be efficient. Micro-optimizations barely make a microscopic scratch in that. That's why we call them that. |
| 04:37.07 | Neffi | s/while/whole/ |
| 04:37.47 | Neffi | Focus on your algorithm flow, not on the minor details |
| 04:37.55 | Neffi | NOW i take shower |
| 04:38.02 | Semlar | think of me |
| 04:38.08 | Neffi | i will |
| 04:38.55 | Semlar | why does my cat think i'm a chair |
| 04:39.04 | sintAcks | same reason mine does |
| 04:39.05 | sintAcks | it's a cat |
| 04:39.18 | Semlar | you can't just go around sitting on people |
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| 04:52.53 | Semlar | Neffi: it was about 6 times slower to use 3 select calls instead of using a bunch of throwaways and only about twice as slow to use a single select |
| 04:54.30 | Semlar | if i take EVERYTHING else out it's about 10 times slower actually |
| 04:54.50 | Semlar | i think you're confounding the results with all of the function calls you used in your test |
| 04:55.29 | Sintacks | Message: ..\AddOns\WhoInterrupted\WhoInterrupted.lua line 135: |
| 04:55.29 | Sintacks | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.32 | Sintacks | wat |
| 04:55.52 | Semlar | you tried to put a nil variable into a string |
| 04:56.12 | Semlar | you can't just go around concatenating nothing! |
| 04:56.25 | Sintacks | dafuq. how is something nil |
| 04:57.25 | Semlar | how could i possibly know that! |
| 04:57.51 | Semlar | what's on line 135 |
| 04:58.01 | Sintacks | ChatFrame1:AddMessage(tsTime .. "." .. tsMS .. " - " .. GetIcon(sourceRaidFlags, true) .. sourceName .. "'s " .. GetSpellLink(spellId) .. " - " .. GetIcon(destRaidFlags, true) .. destName .. "'s " .. GetSpellLink(interruptedSpellId)) |
| 04:58.53 | Semlar | you might want to check that source and destname actually exist |
| 04:59.01 | Semlar | i don't remember if they return nil or blank strings |
| 04:59.44 | Semlar | although if this is in response to someone interrupting something they should definitely both be there |
| 05:00.20 | Semlar | maybe the variables aren't assigned to what you think they are? |
| 05:00.32 | Sintacks | 1381381193.285 SPELL_INTERRUPT false 0x030000000798F9FA Sintacs 1297 0 0xF5311A5800096D05 Manifestation of Pride 68168 128 1766 Kick 1 128099 Sha Corruption 32 |
| 05:00.34 | Sintacks | looks like they aren't |
| 05:04.23 | Semlar | i wrote a crazy fucking interrupt tracker once |
| 05:04.45 | Semlar | i hand coded every move a player could use to interrupt something into it |
| 05:05.10 | Semlar | because SPELL_INTERRUPT only works for very specific interrupt spells |
| 05:05.16 | Semlar | not things like stuns and knockbacks |
| 05:05.34 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:05.48 | Semlar | and this was back when i played my prot warrior |
| 05:05.52 | Sintacks | someone in my guild asked if that could be done, and i said "sure. but it'd be complicated to make" |
| 05:06.00 | Semlar | and it would just spam the hell out of the chat when i used shockwave and stuff |
| 05:06.14 | Semlar | it was great |
| 05:07.04 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/09/t-mobile-announces-uncarrier-phase-3-international-data-roaming-in-over-100-countries-at-no-additional-cost/ <-O_o |
| 05:07.16 | Fisker | It is still like 10 years late, but still |
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| 05:07.35 | Semlar | it was a huge pain in the ass to compile the list of potential interrupts though, i had to go through every ability for every class on wowhead |
| 05:08.04 | Semlar | you might be able to find a better method |
| 05:09.17 | Sintacks | this addon worked using the 7 selects. but i seem to have fucked something up trying to stop using 7 of them |
| 05:09.18 | Sintacks | heh |
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| 05:13.22 | Semlar | dest isn't even in this |
| 05:13.46 | Semlar | do you have a different version than is on curse |
| 05:13.52 | Sintacks | yes |
| 05:13.53 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:14.03 | Sintacks | icon's aren't in the one on curse either |
| 05:15.43 | bluspacecow | TIL |
| 05:16.03 | bluspacecow | There's another "Amy Pond" in populor sci-fi / fantasy |
| 05:16.04 | bluspacecow | http://supernatural.wikia.com/wiki/Amy_Pond |
| 05:16.50 | Semlar | Sintacks: try something like this http://pastebin.com/89rTqPBK |
| 05:17.41 | Semlar | i'm not sure if those are in the right order or not |
| 05:17.59 | Semlar | what was in the select statements was absolutely not right |
| 05:18.14 | Semlar | i think the arguments changed since this was written |
| 05:19.13 | Semlar | spellID isn't the tenth argument for CLEU |
| 05:20.23 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure this was written before they added the second set of unit flags |
| 05:20.27 | Sintacks | it was |
| 05:20.35 | Sintacks | someone updated it to fix that |
| 05:21.31 | Sintacks | i took that version and added icons (with someone's help via giving me a function to return a raid mark) and changed the outputs how i wanted. |
| 05:21.37 | Semlar | if you're only watching for the SPELL_INTERRUPT event there's no reason not to just define all of the variables in the arguments |
| 05:21.42 | Sintacks | and it all worked with the old way of multiple selects |
| 05:22.34 | Semlar | paste the cleu function for the version that isn't working |
| 05:23.42 | Semlar | i wonder what i did with my interrupt addon |
| 05:23.52 | Sintacks | http://pastebin.com/V04ikvxz |
| 05:23.53 | Semlar | probably incinerated it |
| 05:24.21 | Semlar | i meant WhoInterrupted:COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED from your addon |
| 05:25.01 | Semlar | although all of those variables look right |
| 05:25.13 | Sintacks | i was working on that bit before to debug to see if everything was set |
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| 05:26.23 | Semlar | you have spellID instead of spellId |
| 05:26.47 | Neffi | Semlar: You're comparing the results of only the slowest part of your code, which accounts for such a small amount that you can't profile several iterations of it within the accuracy of floats |
| 05:26.50 | Sintacks | oh god damnit |
| 05:26.59 | Neffi | Why don't you compare your full code, with selects and without, and profile that |
| 05:27.05 | Neffi | Run it a million times |
| 05:27.10 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:27.20 | Semlar | because i only want to compare the speed of select to not using it |
| 05:27.32 | Sintacks | give me code doing both methods, and i'll sit on a dummy for an hour =p |
| 05:27.38 | Neffi | That's like comparing the effect one bacterial cell has on your body |
| 05:27.46 | Neffi | There's more bacteria in your body altogether than your own cells |
| 05:27.57 | Semlar | how do you know those aren't my cells too |
| 05:28.02 | Neffi | >_> |
| 05:28.06 | Semlar | GET OUT OF ME |
| 05:28.09 | Neffi | The point is, the difference is negligible |
| 05:28.16 | Sintacks | also: fuck the highlight thing in notepad++ not being case sensitive... |
| 05:28.24 | Semlar | ha |
| 05:28.35 | Neffi | I made an incredibly valid statement when I said it doesn't matter whatever if a developer is using a few selection even a hundred times a second |
| 05:28.37 | Sintacks | if it was, i would have noticed that a long time ago |
| 05:29.15 | Sintacks | part of me wants to dump this addon and make my own and combine it with 3 other events. dispells taunts and resses |
| 05:29.18 | Neffi | You can aggressively micro-optimize your code and still use a whole millisecond in CLEU. That makes a difference. Or you can write code that looks nice, and puts the efficiency of the next best code to absolute shame |
| 05:29.38 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/gallery/tIvK5 |
| 05:29.39 | Semlar | THIS WAS HARD FOR ME TO WRITE IT SHOULD BE HARD FOR YOU TO READ |
| 05:29.55 | Sintacks | lol... god damnit. didn't take the debug out so it broke a line 112 trying to print spellID |
| 05:30.06 | Neffi | I mean, wasn't it you Semlar who ran the tests with me to figure out the impact of caching globals in upvalues vs accessing them raw every call? We found the difference so small that we both stopped caching them, even though the difference did exist |
| 05:30.16 | airtonix | Sintacks: lol people still use notepad++ ? i thought that died with the 90s |
| 05:30.22 | Sintacks | I do |
| 05:30.26 | Semlar | no way notepad++ is awesome |
| 05:30.36 | airtonix | not as awesome as sublimetext3 |
| 05:30.54 | airtonix | shit even gedit is more awesome than notepad++ |
| 05:30.58 | Neffi | fuck your Sublime shit |
| 05:31.02 | Sintacks | why does it have a "buy" button ... |
| 05:31.05 | airtonix | umadbro? |
| 05:31.06 | Neffi | Notepad++ is great. |
| 05:31.07 | Torhal | Neffi: Phanx maintains that it's faster to grab a global than it is to do a table lookup on an upvalued _G |
| 05:31.07 | Semlar | how do you know how awesome notepad++ is if you don't use it |
| 05:31.19 | Sintacks | so notepad++ > Sublime Text 3 |
| 05:31.21 | Neffi | Torhal: We weren't comparing it to an upvalued _G |
| 05:31.23 | Sintacks | cuzi have no money |
| 05:31.24 | airtonix | did i say that? |
| 05:31.31 | Neffi | And he might be right, because upvalues are less efficient than I once though |
| 05:31.33 | Sintacks | $70 |
| 05:31.35 | Sintacks | dafuq |
| 05:31.55 | airtonix | should have bought it earlier |
| 05:32.03 | Neffi | We were comparing: local tostring=tostring; function a() tostring'b' end; to function a() tostring'b' end |
| 05:32.03 | Sintacks | oh god |
| 05:32.05 | airtonix | then you wouldn't be paying actual value |
| 05:32.08 | Sintacks | that renaming vars all at once thing |
| 05:32.11 | Sintacks | that's hawt |
| 05:32.29 | Neffi | Also, I have something against paying for a text editor |
| 05:32.38 | Neffi | Now I'll pay for Photoshop, if I had the money |
| 05:32.40 | airtonix | sublimtext plugins make it even better |
| 05:32.46 | airtonix | Neffi: lol? |
| 05:33.02 | airtonix | pay for photoshop? are you the 1% that actually need it? |
| 05:33.09 | Neffi | Photoshop is an enormous project. A text editor doesn't feel significant enough vs the plethora of free alternatives to be worth cash. |
| 05:33.25 | Neffi | airtonix: I don't pay for Photoshop, but I would if I had a legitimate use for it AND had the money |
| 05:33.27 | Semlar | well someone had to make it |
| 05:33.33 | Neffi | True enough |
| 05:33.43 | airtonix | why would you want to give money to a fucked up company |
| 05:33.44 | Neffi | I have nothing against them selling it. I have something against me buying it. |
| 05:34.15 | Neffi | Because if I had a legitimate use for Photoshop, I can't afford to be using a pirated copy ;) |
| 05:34.17 | Sintacks | if i actually had a decent job (read job, period) I would pay for the shit i use (Office, mIRC, something else that i can't think of the name of ...) |
| 05:34.22 | Sintacks | hmm. i actually don't have that much pirated. |
| 05:34.28 | Sintacks | i don'te ven have a pirated version of office. |
| 05:34.52 | Sintacks | i have a legit enterprise key in non-legit way ... |
| 05:35.00 | Neffi | lol |
| 05:35.08 | Sintacks | it's a real key. but i don't go to the school that it belongs to.. or something |
| 05:35.19 | airtonix | just like you couldn't wipe your arse without using rose scented velvet right? |
| 05:35.27 | Neffi | I have a bunch of real keys. Somebody posted them on TPB |
| 05:35.42 | Sintacks | Windows on all three computers here (sort of) have legit keys. my brother is still not legit.. cuz i'm lazy and don't want to reinstall windows. |
| 05:35.50 | Sintacks | i just did it on my mom's. so she's 100% legit now. |
| 05:36.27 | Neffi | If your machine came pre-installed with Windows, don't you technically have a rightful license to that particular version? |
| 05:36.35 | Neffi | I don't believe reinstalling it is considered infringement |
| 05:36.43 | Sintacks | they never had legit versions in the first place |
| 05:36.45 | Semlar | good luck finding that version |
| 05:36.48 | airtonix | only if you still have the same key it came with |
| 05:36.59 | Sintacks | they had the same thing from what.cd |
| 05:37.02 | Neffi | Semlar: I mean Premium vs Ultimate, etc |
| 05:37.08 | Sintacks | from like... the week Win 7 came out |
| 05:37.08 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:37.14 | Semlar | they install some OEM version that your key is not going to work with anything else |
| 05:37.17 | airtonix | because you can download the windows 7 iso from microsofts website |
| 05:37.20 | Sintacks | and it finally completely failed to validate a couple months ago |
| 05:37.45 | Neffi | You could use the same key. But if you didn't use the same key, and got taken to court, I doubt you as an individual would face any civil charges. It's too much of a grey area, and verges too much in your favor |
| 05:38.17 | Neffi | Semlar: They use the RTM version and then slipstream changes in. Microsoft offers free legal ISO downloads of the same RTM version. |
| 05:38.29 | Sintacks | someone from an old guild gave me two legit 7 keys he got from being part of that thing with ms where you get keys for shit ... or whatever. idk what it was. but he had no use for them so he gave them to me. i just never got around to actully using them until last week when my mom complained about her computer being slow because it wasn't legit |
| 05:38.29 | Neffi | You can find all the Win7 ISOs on .. Digital River? |
| 05:38.37 | Neffi | legally -- you just need a key to use them legally |
| 05:38.51 | Sintacks | It's actually harder to find them now. lol. but yeah. you can |
| 05:38.55 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/a/RvFYM?gallery |
| 05:39.02 | Neffi | I stopped using TPB to get images when I realized that. Because I can get an SP1 image right from Microsoft that's guaranteed not to be tampered with. |
| 05:39.16 | Sintacks | i never used tpb for it |
| 05:39.16 | airtonix | lol |
| 05:39.33 | airtonix | Neffi: at least not unofficially tampered with |
| 05:39.48 | Neffi | Not hard at all to find them. This took me about 4 seconds in Google: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/14709-Windows-7-Digital-River-direct-links-Multiple-Languages-X86-amp-X64?s=b77924f9efafa9b032690b7e47f9b79a |
| 05:39.48 | Sintacks | THOUGH. it was a pain in the ass to find Office 2010 Pro Plus untouched. and my mom doesn't have a key for it that lets you download it again from their site. |
| 05:39.56 | Neffi | airtonix: lol |
| 05:40.01 | Sintacks | i ended up finding the original download link though |
| 05:40.21 | Neffi | Can you still download the image from MS on a trial basis? |
| 05:40.26 | Neffi | From there you should be able to crack it |
| 05:40.35 | Neffi | I MEAN - BUY A LICENSE |
| 05:40.45 | Sintacks | i have a license for what i'm talking about |
| 05:40.50 | Sintacks | but idk |
| 05:40.52 | Sintacks | i didn't look into it |
| 05:40.56 | airtonix | mines still on the bottom of my laptop |
| 05:40.57 | Sintacks | i was tired and annoyed |
| 05:41.21 | Neffi | What I found strange is, some of the newer Win8 notebooks don't have the Windows key on the bottom anymore |
| 05:41.42 | Neffi | I was gonna reinstall Win8 for a friend and couldn't find the key, because he threw the material out. |
| 05:42.02 | airtonix | i find it far easier to just install linux over the top of windows rather than actually wait for the fifteen reboots that windows 7 requires to get it to a usable state |
| 05:42.20 | Neffi | He's tried a few Linux distros. He wasn't impressed. |
| 05:42.37 | airtonix | oh so he likes waiting 15mins for a login screen |
| 05:42.40 | airtonix | right |
| 05:42.43 | Neffi | Mostly because his previous hardware's support was abysmal. That was enough to turn him off for good though |
| 05:42.52 | airtonix | stop buying amd |
| 05:42.57 | airtonix | problem solved |
| 05:42.57 | Neffi | I don't buy AMD |
| 05:43.27 | Neffi | And when he got the new laptop, I helped him pick it out to avoid shitty hardware |
| 05:45.39 | airtonix | how do you like my desktop brah: http://i.imgur.com/hUA7gKz.jpg |
| 05:46.02 | Semlar | why are so many of these too small to be wallpapers |
| 05:46.05 | Neffi | my god, it's beautiful |
| 05:46.21 | Sintacks | k. is there a "better" way to do this: http://pastebin.com/TESFx3m2 |
| 05:46.31 | Semlar | yes |
| 05:46.40 | Semlar | put all of those in the arguments of the function |
| 05:46.47 | Sintacks | what does that actually do |
| 05:47.05 | Semlar | the same thing |
| 05:47.28 | Semlar | function WhoInterrupted:COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED(event, timeStamp, eventType, _, _, sourceName, _, sourceRaidFlags, _, destName, _, destRaidFlags, spellId, _, _, interruptedSpellId) |
| 05:47.30 | Neffi | See in that case I would recommend avoiding the select |
| 05:48.20 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/UuaEpnX6 |
| 05:48.29 | Semlar | no! |
| 05:48.36 | Semlar | he's only looking at one event! |
| 05:48.47 | Semlar | there's no reason to define those variables there |
| 05:48.55 | Neffi | True enough |
| 05:49.03 | Neffi | But really long function prototypes are ugly |
| 05:49.07 | Neffi | err, |
| 05:49.10 | Neffi | you know what i mean |
| 05:49.28 | Neffi | silly Neffi, calling them function prototypes |
| 05:49.29 | Semlar | plus the first like 11 arguments to CLEU are all static anyway |
| 05:49.40 | Semlar | so those should definitely be defined at the top |
| 05:49.49 | Neffi | Definitely? Probably, yes |
| 05:50.44 | Neffi | Plus if you really want to get into aggressive prototyping, why don't you profile the Lua VM and see exactly what impact declaring the extra local registers has |
| 05:51.05 | Neffi | if the first if-statement doesn't succeed, then no extra locals need to be declared = the VM uses less registers |
| 05:51.15 | Neffi | aggressive optimization* |
| 05:51.19 | Neffi | fuck I' bbad tonite |
| 05:51.37 | Neffi | (internal registers, not CPU register, obj) |
| 05:51.45 | Semlar | i'll let you profile that one |
| 05:51.53 | Neffi | nah I'm happy with not caring |
| 05:52.26 | Neffi | obj->obv |
| 05:52.39 | Neffi | Drinking a tall glass full of espresso makes me jiterry |
| 05:53.23 | Sintacks | so even though the only event i care about is SPELL_INTERRUPT setting everything on the event is better than a select after the event i want? |
| 05:53.29 | Sintacks | that seems odd |
| 05:53.39 | Neffi | It should be better, yes |
| 05:53.40 | Semlar | you shouldn't use the select at all |
| 05:53.45 | Neffi | It really doesn't matter Sintacks |
| 05:53.48 | Semlar | in this particular case |
| 05:53.58 | Sintacks | with my fps issues it matters lol |
| 05:54.01 | Semlar | since select(1, ...) is literally the same as saying ... |
| 05:54.10 | Neffi | No, the difference here won't impact your FPS |
| 05:54.31 | Neffi | Trust me, I hand-built an entire damn UI so I could keep tight control over CPU usage when I was running a god-forsaken Pentium D |
| 05:54.38 | Neffi | I learned a bit about what matters and what didnt |
| 05:54.41 | Semlar | you'd be hard pressed to actually impact your frame rate tracking interrupts |
| 05:54.53 | Sintacks | it's the parsing the combatlog part |
| 05:55.12 | Sintacks | the combatlog is spammed to fucking shit in 25 man raiding. |
| 05:55.13 | Neffi | Parsing the CLEU isn't really that bad, as long as you do it correctly |
| 05:55.20 | Sintacks | even blizzard finaly admited it was getting bad |
| 05:55.23 | Neffi | It CAN be bad |
| 05:55.27 | Sintacks | and have been working to "help" |
| 05:55.28 | Neffi | It can be very bad |
| 05:55.38 | Torhal | Neffi: You mean with a bunch of select() calls on … ? |
| 05:55.43 | Neffi | goddammit |
| 05:55.46 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:56.01 | Neffi | No, I mean using a bunch of if-statements to select the event instead of elseif |
| 05:56.14 | Torhal | I prefer a dictionary, myself. |
| 05:56.16 | Neffi | Or using an else-if chain that's 20 long, instead of splitting functions into a table and doing lookups |
| 05:56.42 | Neffi | Or redundant calculations |
| 05:56.44 | Sintacks | -- function to get raid icon made by nebula169 |
| 05:56.45 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:56.48 | Sintacks | i forgot who had made it |
| 05:56.56 | Neffi | Or generally poorly designed algorithms |
| 05:57.06 | Neffi | Or the most common one, doing calculations before you even know if you need them |
| 05:57.09 | Torhal | But UnitName("player") is so fun to read 20 times. |
| 05:57.13 | Semlar | i'm an expert on poorly designing algorithms |
| 05:57.21 | Neffi | lol |
| 05:57.23 | Semlar | you should see my nameplate script |
| 05:57.33 | Neffi | is that a euphamism? |
| 05:57.52 | Semlar | .....yes |
| 05:57.56 | Neffi | But yeah, I don't like the CLEU. TBH I think it's bad design. |
| 05:58.07 | Neffi | They should've kept all the sub-events split into their own event handler |
| 05:58.14 | Sintacks | what do you think would be better |
| 05:58.33 | Neffi | Not just "hurr listen to this one mega-event that can throw a million different things even though you only need 1" |
| 05:58.39 | Sintacks | oh yeah. now i need to go try to do this other thing i wnated ... |
| 05:59.00 | Sintacks | the whole reason i even looked at my whointerrupted code was i wnated to add timestamps and a second local output to whotaunted. |
| 05:59.01 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i call UnitClass onupdate for every nameplate |
| 05:59.09 | Neffi | Now, THAT is a prime example of inefficient design |
| 05:59.24 | Semlar | what can i say, i wanted class colors |
| 05:59.31 | Neffi | The details of how they implement the CLEU on C-side are nothing compared to the fact that they lopped it all into one event |
| 05:59.39 | Neffi | Prime example of macro-vs-micro optimization |
| 05:59.56 | Neffi | Semlar: lol? |
| 06:00.48 | Semlar | well i couldn't be bothered to write the unit cache so i just left it |
| 06:00.55 | Semlar | i might eventually go back |
| 06:00.56 | Neffi | heh |
| 06:01.05 | Neffi | This guy talking about the cost of function calls |
| 06:01.05 | Semlar | it's not like anyone else is using it |
| 06:01.15 | Neffi | Honestly it's probably not even that inefficient |
| 06:01.24 | Neffi | It's probably a very simple lookup on the C-side |
| 06:01.52 | Neffi | Still bad practice though |
| 06:03.44 | Semlar | it also doesn't work with cross realm players |
| 06:03.52 | Semlar | i need to go fix that |
| 06:04.11 | Semlar | or ignore it |
| 06:04.19 | Semlar | definitely one of the two |
| 06:04.22 | Sintacks | function WhoTaunted:CombatLog(self, event, ...) |
| 06:04.22 | Sintacks | local subEvent, hideCaster, srcGUID, srcName, srcFlags, srcFlags2, dstGUID, dstName, dstFlags, dstFlags2, spellID, spellName, spellSchool, extraSpellID, extraSpellName, extraSpellSchool, auraType = select(1, ...); |
| 06:04.25 | Neffi | The way I see it |
| 06:04.27 | Sintacks | what does the self mean |
| 06:04.30 | Neffi | I only care about an enemy's class |
| 06:04.32 | Semlar | WhoTaunted |
| 06:04.37 | Neffi | And you can get that 100% of the time |
| 06:04.59 | Neffi | I don't think that's right Semlar |
| 06:05.05 | Neffi | Because why use colon syntax? |
| 06:05.06 | Semlar | i don't understand why they wouldn't class color friendly nameplates |
| 06:05.14 | Neffi | You'd have to know the code to know what it means, Sintacks |
| 06:05.20 | Semlar | oh you're right |
| 06:05.20 | *** join/#wowuidev seank (~SeanK@50.46.102.120) |
| 06:05.26 | Semlar | self could be anything |
| 06:05.32 | Neffi | woah |
| 06:05.35 | Neffi | you just blew my mind |
| 06:05.41 | Neffi | time to open a philosophy textbook |
| 06:05.45 | Neffi | got the ganja? |
| 06:06.04 | Semlar | what is.. self |
| 06:06.50 | Sintacks | so if subEvent is the event... where'd the timestamp go |
| 06:06.58 | Semlar | self |
| 06:07.14 | Semlar | oh event |
| 06:07.22 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 06:07.37 | Semlar | well i didn't write it! |
| 06:07.41 | Sintacks | lol |
| 06:08.05 | Semlar | i still think self is probably WhoTaunted just being fed into the function for some reason |
| 06:08.24 | Neffi | wow, it's kinda beautiful |
| 06:08.25 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/O6u1u.jpg |
| 06:08.35 | Neffi | brb i'm gonna go make food and look for some beer now |
| 06:08.43 | Sintacks | cakes, bacon and beer in one isle? |
| 06:08.45 | Semlar | if event refers to COMBAT_LOG_EVENT then all of the rest of the arguments are wrong |
| 06:09.00 | Neffi | Don't forget sliced deli meats and cheeses |
| 06:09.05 | Sintacks | WhoTaunted:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED", "CombatLog") |
| 06:09.37 | Semlar | find where OnEvent is declared |
| 06:09.53 | Neffi | Maybe you're better off not digging into this one |
| 06:09.55 | Semlar | ugh is this using a library for this |
| 06:10.36 | Semlar | nevermind all that it would take 2 seconds to write a script that tracks who taunted |
| 06:10.45 | Sintacks | it's not |
| 06:10.57 | Semlar | it has to be you can't register an event like that |
| 06:11.05 | Sintacks | function WhoTaunted:OnInitialize() |
| 06:11.10 | Sintacks | WhoTaunted:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD", "EnteringWorldOnEvent") |
| 06:11.11 | Sintacks | WhoTaunted:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED", "CombatLog") |
| 06:11.11 | Sintacks | WhoTaunted:RegisterEvent("UPDATE_CHAT_WINDOWS", "UpdateChatWindowsOnEvent") |
| 06:11.16 | airtonix | omg spam |
| 06:11.40 | Sintacks | it does use ace3, yes. idk what for |
| 06:11.50 | Sintacks | i thinik for the options |
| 06:11.57 | airtonix | because it's awesome? |
| 06:12.03 | Semlar | well i'm pretty sure it's using aceevent to declare events like that |
| 06:12.21 | Semlar | since registerevent only takes one argument |
| 06:12.43 | Sintacks | WhoTaunted = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon("WhoTaunted", "AceEvent-3.0", "AceConsole-3.0", "AceTimer-3.0") |
| 06:12.45 | Sintacks | first line |
| 06:13.04 | Semlar | all you need to track who taunted is a list of taunt spells and the combat log |
| 06:13.19 | Semlar | you check if the spell they cast is in the table, then you go x taunted y |
| 06:13.22 | Sintacks | yeah (except Death Grip is a tiny bit more complicated) |
| 06:13.47 | Semlar | probably on SPELL_AURA_APPLIED for most of the spells |
| 06:13.47 | Sintacks | cuz it does two events. a taunt and a pull. and the pull is immune on a lot of mobs |
| 06:13.51 | Semlar | and death grip isn't a taunt |
| 06:14.03 | Sintacks | it is |
| 06:15.03 | Semlar | i swear when i played a DK all it did was make the mob focus on you for like 3 seconds and go back |
| 06:15.11 | Semlar | is it a real taunt? |
| 06:15.16 | Sintacks | as far as i know it is |
| 06:15.30 | Semlar | well, anyway |
| 06:15.34 | airtonix | a real taunt |
| 06:15.36 | airtonix | k |
| 06:15.41 | Sintacks | hahaha |
| 06:15.57 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak-work (~cbreak@drz-wizzer.drz.ethz.ch) |
| 06:16.00 | Sintacks | like, 6 or 7 people got into a huge arguemnt over what a real taunt is and isn't a few weeks ago |
| 06:16.06 | airtonix | your mother is a hamster and your father smells like elderberries |
| 06:16.15 | Sintacks | when talking about no one has an AoE taunt except monks. and then someone brought up Warrior banner |
| 06:16.23 | Semlar | well the tooltip literally only says it forces the enemy to attack you for 3 seconds |
| 06:16.38 | Sintacks | yeah. |
| 06:16.42 | Sintacks | but what does Taunt's tooltip say |
| 06:16.55 | Sintacks | and more importantly is what actual effect do they do |
| 06:18.17 | Sintacks | taunt is "Taunts the target to attack you, and increases threat gen by 200% for 3 sec" |
| 06:18.18 | Semlar | okay when death grip was originally implemented it definitely wasn't a true taunt |
| 06:18.21 | Sintacks | so it's pretty much the same thing |
| 06:18.26 | Sintacks | Yeah, originaally. |
| 06:18.31 | Sintacks | fuck speling/tpying |
| 06:18.33 | Sintacks | oh my god |
| 06:19.12 | Semlar | i have no idea when it was changed |
| 06:19.22 | Sintacks | see, provoke is even worse: "You mock the target, causing them to rush towards you with a 50% increased movement speed." |
| 06:19.27 | Sintacks | doesn't mention anything about taunting |
| 06:20.31 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=63335 probably whenever they added this |
| 06:21.02 | Sintacks | that was added in 3.1 |
| 06:21.05 | Semlar | it's hard to tell because that probably used to be a different glyph |
| 06:21.06 | Sintacks | but i don't think it actually was |
| 06:21.09 | Sintacks | i think it was something else |
| 06:21.11 | Neffi | lol http://i.imgur.com/uJMMnCE.gif |
| 06:21.48 | Sintacks | Previously Glyph of Howling Blast which added causing Frost Fever |
| 06:21.54 | Sintacks | blah blah |
| 06:21.58 | Sintacks | so it was changed in 4.3 |
| 06:23.32 | Sintacks | comments for death grip from 2.4.3 (meaning Wrath beta) say it had a taunt on it |
| 06:23.55 | Semlar | yeah but people have no idea what the difference between a taunt and a fixate is |
| 06:24.02 | Sintacks | true |
| 06:24.17 | airtonix | and the rest |
| 06:24.19 | Sintacks | lol. which is why we were aruging over Provoke on statue vs Warrior banner |
| 06:24.22 | airtonix | agro? |
| 06:24.28 | airtonix | wuts dat |
| 06:24.49 | Neffi | I think it's when a girl asks you if she looks fat in that dress and you say yes |
| 06:24.54 | Sintacks | that's that you you have to wait for 5 sunders for isn't it |
| 06:25.11 | airtonix | that that that |
| 06:25.16 | Semlar | threat is pretty much a non issue now |
| 06:25.29 | Sintacks | pretty much |
| 06:25.31 | Semlar | unless your tank is like afk |
| 06:25.49 | airtonix | so wow isn't fun anymore then |
| 06:25.59 | Sintacks | though, yeah. if you have a bad tank (or even an under geared compared to some high burst dps) there could be threat issues. |
| 06:26.27 | Semlar | there has to be a huge gear difference to actually pull threat off a tank though |
| 06:26.41 | Sintacks | heh. 15 ilvls could do it |
| 06:26.43 | Sintacks | 20 easy |
| 06:26.46 | Sintacks | 30 way easy |
| 06:26.56 | Sintacks | 40 lol why is someone 40 ilvls higher than the tank doing that LFR anyway |
| 06:26.57 | Sintacks | *cough* |
| 06:27.25 | Sintacks | now what's real fun is going into MSV1 LFR at 567 and pulling threat off a 570 something tank |
| 06:27.32 | Sintacks | er,. |
| 06:27.33 | Sintacks | 470 |
| 06:27.55 | Sintacks | or going into a dungeon and tanking cuz the tank is only 440 and lol. good luck holding threat |
| 06:28.15 | Semlar | well, i have a 553 item level and i'm fairly sure a ~500 geared tank could still outthreat me |
| 06:28.30 | Sintacks | so if this uses aceevent i have no idea how to make it save the timestamp on the combat log event |
| 06:28.40 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak-work (~cbreak@drz-wizzer.drz.ethz.ch) |
| 06:28.57 | Semlar | the timestamp on the combat log event is largely useless |
| 06:29.40 | Sintacks | i want them |
| 06:30.06 | Semlar | use GetTime() if you need to actually compare the time stamps |
| 06:30.20 | Semlar | why do you need the time? |
| 06:30.36 | Sintacks | i could but the frame i want to also print these two has the whointerupted prints. which use the timestamp from the combatlog |
| 06:30.45 | Sintacks | and if i use gettime it's not going to be the same |
| 06:31.34 | Semlar | why do you need the timestamp |
| 06:32.26 | Sintacks | to see if someone taunted when they said they did (cuz the other tank died cuz of a slow taunt) |
| 06:32.28 | Sintacks | for one |
| 06:33.40 | Semlar | if this is all local that's fine but if you're sending the message to the chat that is not going to line up with other people's times |
| 06:33.55 | Sintacks | it's local |
| 06:34.17 | Sintacks | so it's all relative to other things i watch |
| 06:42.44 | Sintacks | so aceevent drops the timestamp. hmm |
| 06:43.15 | Sintacks | makes new addon |
| 06:44.05 | Neffi | aceevent doesnt drop args |
| 06:44.06 | Semlar | just use date or something you don't really need to abandon the whole thing |
| 06:44.37 | Semlar | although you probably should |
| 06:47.41 | Sintacks | k. figured out a way to get it... but it's ugly |
| 06:48.07 | Sintacks | and whoever said it, yes "event" was storing the timestamp |
| 06:48.12 | Sintacks | function WhoTaunted:CombatLog(self, event, ...) |
| 06:48.15 | Sintacks | in that |
| 06:48.19 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 06:48.35 | Sintacks | which makes it look like someone else didn't know what they were doing |
| 06:48.37 | Sintacks | or something |
| 06:49.50 | Semlar | whatever works |
| 06:50.54 | Semlar | it's a good thing i never upload anything or somebody might see my code |
| 06:51.04 | Sintacks | lol |
| 06:51.05 | Sintacks | same |
| 06:55.01 | Semlar | something i upload 2 weeks ago has half as many downloads as something i made 2 years ago |
| 06:55.06 | Torhal | Here's a proper taunt: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=1&mid=1076867219928381138&h=50 |
| 06:55.53 | Sintacks | lol |
| 06:56.44 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 07:00.27 | Sintacks | k. that works. |
| 07:00.31 | Sintacks | i don't exactly like it. but it works. |
| 07:01.10 | Semlar | if i tried to get everything exactly right i'd never finish anything |
| 07:01.16 | Sintacks | lol |
| 07:27.02 | Sintacks | the only addon in my lite UI that's not a symlink is Neffi's /in addon |
| 07:28.55 | Neffi | How does this perk tree sound? http://pastebin.com/KPAbHQ7g |
| 07:42.30 | bluspacecow | like a Spanish flute |
| 07:43.18 | rid_ | lol Torhal didn't know allakhazam.com still is a thing |
| 07:43.35 | Neffi | I don't know what that means bluspacecow =/ |
| 07:43.49 | bluspacecow | me neither |
| 07:43.53 | bluspacecow | sadtrombone.com |
| 07:44.05 | Neffi | lol |
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| 07:58.49 | Torhal | rid_: Heh, yah |
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| 08:40.58 | Neffi | !lua you there? |
| 08:41.02 | Neffi | lua> you? |
| 08:41.03 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: '=' expected near '?' |
| 08:41.22 | Neffi | lua> 50*(.5^4) |
| 08:41.22 | lua_bot | Neffi: 3.125 |
| 08:42.14 | Neffi | lua> 50*(.5^5), 50*(.5^4), 50*(.5^3), 50*(.5^2), 50*.5, 50 |
| 08:42.15 | lua_bot | Neffi: 1.5625, 3.125, 6.25, 12.5, 25, 50 |
| 08:55.07 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/8hmSq.jpg |
| 09:01.56 | karl_w_w | the mild observer :P |
| 09:34.12 | jleclanche | Added an upper limit to the number of wolves that could be summoned by Moonfang's Call the Pack ability. |
| 09:34.14 | jleclanche | lag: fixed. |
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| 09:45.38 | whyzerman | Quick question - I am trying to localize my addon, but it keeps throwing up "Unexpected symbol" errors. I changed the files encoding to UTF-8 Signature - but now in the english client the addon options UI looks pretty bad (not formatted like it is in english) - is that just something that has to be tested in the local clients? |
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| 09:47.32 | whyzerman | (trying to localize it into Russian if that matters) |
| 09:47.55 | Maldivia | you sure your editor has proper utf8 support? |
| 09:49.49 | whyzerman | its notepad2 so I hope it does. Once I changed the encoding the LUA error went away - but some characters just werent displayed properly in the actual Addon Options and were just displaying periods or question marks. Not sure if thats because I am using an American version of Windows and WoW that doesnt have those characters or what |
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| 10:12.01 | Maldivia | Ahh, don't think the enUS version of WoW have fonts with glyphs for all the Russian letters |
| 10:16.21 | karl_w_w | any of them* |
| 10:16.40 | Semlar | ??? ?????? ?? |
| 10:20.26 | Neffi | Do this: http://www.vranx.com/font.htm |
| 10:20.31 | Neffi | and use a font with wide support |
| 10:27.06 | karl_w_w | if your localisation is set up right you shouldn't need to test it |
| 10:28.03 | Neffi | You do if you want to make sure things looks correct with different string heights/widths |
| 10:51.54 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/JlBCu.jpg heh |
| 10:54.17 | whyzerman | @karl_w_w what do you mean? |
| 10:54.47 | whyzerman | "if its set up right you shouldn't need to test it"? |
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| 11:25.59 | Neffi | I think what he means is that localizing is very simple. As long as you don't overcomplicate things, it's kind of hard to do it wrong |
| 11:28.19 | Sintacks | I do'nt have to do any localizing with the only thing i made |
| 11:28.34 | Sintacks | cuz it just outputs two names and two spells |
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| 12:11.38 | zenzio | downloading large(ish) amounts of data from external databases always feels dirty |
| 12:11.58 | Neffi | sounds like good pillow talk |
| 12:12.28 | zenzio | granted we only use one database connection, fetching every product from the database seems annoying to the server |
| 12:12.38 | zenzio | (nevermind that it's doing this all the time anyway when people browse the site) |
| 12:12.39 | Neffi | is it just me or are all mATX cases ugly, poorly laid out, or just generally bad? |
| 12:12.54 | zenzio | I'm with you on that one |
| 12:13.33 | Neffi | I'd love to have a compact system I can put my desk, but can still fit 2 GPUs. |
| 12:13.48 | Neffi | case designers don't want me to be happy though |
| 12:15.12 | zenzio | build your own |
| 12:16.47 | Neffi | I'm no good at working with metal |
| 12:17.14 | zenzio | then use wood \o/ |
| 12:17.43 | Neffi | heh |
| 12:19.29 | Neffi | this thing's cute http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811345035 |
| 12:20.00 | Neffi | Is BitFenix any good? |
| 12:21.18 | Hazal | Think so. Haven't ever used any case from them |
| 12:23.49 | Neffi | lol. Review calls it unattractive. I guess I'm a tasteless fuck, eh? |
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| 12:25.03 | zenzio | Neffi: more likely they are |
| 12:26.04 | Neffi | I think it looks really good tbh. Understated design, clean lines, good use of chrome on the feet and logo without going overboard. |
| 12:28.45 | karl_w_w | wood or metal, you put 2 gpus in a mATX case and you're going to have a bad time |
| 12:29.42 | Neffi | I see pretty severe layout issues in the video |
| 12:29.49 | Neffi | Case looks nice but it's flawed throughout |
| 12:30.03 | Neffi | karl_w_w: I disagree. |
| 12:30.28 | karl_w_w | then you're rich and can afford water cooling |
| 12:30.33 | Neffi | A very well thought out case layout, high quality fans and well thought out airflow arrangement should make mATX cases just fine |
| 12:30.47 | karl_w_w | and if you're rich you should be buying a bigger pc like a boss |
| 12:31.06 | Neffi | I wish I were rich >_> |
| 12:31.23 | Neffi | I like the idea of squeezing a surprisingly powerful machine into a box that fits comfortably on my desk |
| 12:31.38 | Neffi | I like subtle and understated things |
| 12:32.28 | karl_w_w | http://techreport.com/review/22814/silverstone-temjin-tj08-e-evolution-enclosure/8 heh |
| 12:32.45 | karl_w_w | Even though the cards were running in SLI mode with roughly equivalent GPU usage being reported by GPU-Z, there was a 22°C temperature differential between them. The GPU in the card nearest the CPU socket ran at a toasty 88°C, while its counterpart was a less balmy 66°C. As you can see in the picture above, the card closest to the socket has its cooler blocked by the second graphics card. The mothe |
| 12:32.45 | karl_w_w | rboard's slot layout doesn't provide any options for putting more space between the two, so this issue would affect larger cases, as well. |
| 12:33.01 | Neffi | why would you not use a Corsair H80 in that arrangement? |
| 12:33.24 | Neffi | The airflow design there is god-damned terrible |
| 12:33.50 | Neffi | That's an inherently bad design |
| 12:35.10 | Hazal | Why is it that Americans use Celsius for temperature monitoring of computer hardware? |
| 12:35.14 | karl_w_w | are you looking for mobo as well? |
| 12:35.27 | karl_w_w | because americans are dumb Hazal |
| 12:35.35 | Kalroth | celcius is used by master races |
| 12:35.38 | Neffi | nope, just window shopping right now |
| 12:35.39 | Hazal | Let's not be that generalizing |
| 12:35.51 | karl_w_w | but tech wizards are smart and therefore don't follow the crowd |
| 12:35.52 | Neffi | but for something I actually DO plan to buy within the next several months |
| 12:36.23 | Neffi | Hazal: We use celsius and metric for the vast majority of scientific and technical things |
| 12:36.41 | Kalroth | "In 1866, Congress authorized the use of the metric system and supplied each state with a set of standard metric weights and measures." |
| 12:36.42 | Hazal | Why not make it a standard? And start using the metric system |
| 12:36.45 | Kalroth | "In 1875, the United States solidified its commitment to the development of the internationally recognized metric system by becoming one of the original seventeen signatory nations to the Metre Convention or the Treaty of the Metre." |
| 12:36.57 | karl_w_w | see, smart people doing smart things use sane measures |
| 12:36.59 | Neffi | We tried |
| 12:37.03 | Kalroth | USA is a bit slow, they started back in 1875 |
| 12:37.07 | Kalroth | and they're still working on it |
| 12:37.20 | Kalroth | but in USA there's a certain entity, Hazal |
| 12:37.20 | Neffi | Mostly Americans are stubborn and resistant to change, and some fear that it would somehow cost money |
| 12:37.39 | Kalroth | said entity is known as conservative republican |
| 12:37.55 | karl_w_w | no, said entity is any human being in the world |
| 12:38.02 | whyzerman | well to be fair, a gallon of gas is much better than a liter of gas (considering they are both priced about the same) |
| 12:38.05 | karl_w_w | the rest manage to use the metric system anyway |
| 12:38.09 | Neffi | They DO teach it in schools, but the problem is most kids pass over it with no real interest, because it has no usefulness for them on a daily basis -- everything they interact with is measured in imperial units, so learning metric is futile for them |
| 12:38.23 | whyzerman | So you do save money ;) |
| 12:38.23 | karl_w_w | that makes less than no sense whyzerman |
| 12:38.35 | whyzerman | How much does a liter of gas cost? |
| 12:38.37 | Kalroth | lol |
| 12:38.43 | Neffi | karl_w_w: No it actually makes sense, believe it or not |
| 12:38.56 | Neffi | Gas prices in EU and US are different |
| 12:39.04 | Kalroth | so a liter of gas in america costs the same as a gallon of gas in america |
| 12:39.07 | Neffi | 1 liter of gas in EU costs about the same as 1 gallon here |
| 12:39.09 | Kalroth | your country is insane |
| 12:39.15 | karl_w_w | a litre of petrol costs 1.40 i think |
| 12:39.39 | Neffi | then I'm severely out of date with either money conversions or my facts about gas prices in EU |
| 12:39.47 | karl_w_w | AU$137.1 |
| 12:39.53 | karl_w_w | cheapest atm |
| 12:40.10 | Kalroth | http://www.petrolprices.com/ |
| 12:40.12 | zenzio | $137? For how much? |
| 12:40.13 | Neffi | Because people would literally kill each other in the US for opportunity to get gas below $2 per gallon |
| 12:40.23 | whyzerman | Thats about $6.37/gallon |
| 12:40.24 | karl_w_w | oh sorry, it's in cents |
| 12:40.29 | karl_w_w | 137.1 aussie cents |
| 12:40.58 | whyzerman | Right now in the US gas is about $3.50 a gallon |
| 12:41.13 | Neffi | about |
| 12:41.22 | karl_w_w | the price isn't lower because the measurement is different |
| 12:41.54 | Kalroth | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21238363 <- |
| 12:43.12 | Kalroth | there's a handy chart to see the difference between countries |
| 12:43.49 | Kalroth | denmark is always in top 5, yaaay |
| 12:44.09 | Neffi | god-damned vikings |
| 12:45.34 | karl_w_w | why the hell is a BBC site using gallons |
| 12:45.42 | Kalroth | select a different country |
| 12:45.43 | Kalroth | silly |
| 12:45.47 | whyzerman | ^ |
| 12:46.19 | karl_w_w | I see |
| 12:47.35 | whyzerman | I like the little average chart at the bottom |
| 12:48.08 | whyzerman | Shows that all the countries that use the metric system are nearly triple what the average person in the US pays for a gallon |
| 12:48.28 | karl_w_w | and the metric system is the reason for that? |
| 12:48.53 | Kalroth | what system does venezula use then? |
| 12:49.12 | karl_w_w | must be imperial because gallons magically make oil cheaper |
| 12:49.23 | karl_w_w | they use supergallons! |
| 12:49.32 | Kalroth | antigallons |
| 12:49.43 | whyzerman | venezula is one of the largest exporters of oil lol |
| 12:49.49 | whyzerman | thats why their gas is so low |
| 12:50.10 | karl_w_w | they built a large oil collider to find higgs-gallon |
| 12:50.16 | Kalroth | well duh, but you were talking about gallons vs metric ans they use metrics! |
| 12:50.19 | Kalroth | and* |
| 12:50.25 | karl_w_w | no whyzerman, that's not the reason |
| 12:50.42 | whyzerman | ok you are right again karl, that cant be the reason gas is so cheap. |
| 12:50.44 | karl_w_w | by your logic, the measurement used is the only thing that influences the price |
| 12:51.12 | Kalroth | what about nigeria, they're like 60% of the US price |
| 12:51.15 | whyzerman | wow, you like semantics dont you |
| 12:51.44 | whyzerman | and Nigeria is a one of the largest exporters of oil as well |
| 12:51.59 | Kalroth | but they use metrics too |
| 12:52.12 | whyzerman | Question for you karl - you go to mcdonalds in the past 10 years? |
| 12:52.28 | karl_w_w | yes, it wasn't measured in gallons though |
| 12:52.41 | Kalroth | go like walk there? or is driving a car okat? |
| 12:52.44 | whyzerman | You notice you pay the same price for a soda that you did 10 years ago even though you get less now then you did before |
| 12:52.44 | Kalroth | okay* |
| 12:53.00 | Kalroth | no i dont notice that, prices change here |
| 12:53.28 | karl_w_w | I don't get less than before and I don't pay the same |
| 12:53.57 | whyzerman | ok, w/e - not even going to bother talking to you karl |
| 12:54.03 | karl_w_w | thanks |
| 12:54.21 | Kalroth | now had you said Arizona Tea for 99 cents, then you might have had an argument |
| 12:55.33 | karl_w_w | I wish I had thought to ask if I can pay for my petrol by the gallon when I filled up this morning |
| 12:56.31 | Kalroth | imagine how expensive it'd be if you asked for it in teaspoons |
| 12:57.05 | Kalroth | oooh, or ask for it in barrels |
| 12:57.13 | Kalroth | they'd have to give you money too |
| 12:57.20 | whyzerman | so you guys believe perception has nothing to do with companies setting prices on products? |
| 12:57.39 | Kalroth | "here you go sir, your savings are so big that we give you $10 back along with your two barrels" |
| 12:57.58 | Kalroth | whyzerman: not when it comes to gasoline |
| 12:58.15 | Kalroth | that is why i mentioned arizona tea |
| 13:00.20 | whyzerman | sigh |
| 13:00.37 | whyzerman | anyway, bedtime for me - thanks for the help earlier guys |
| 13:00.47 | Kalroth | nn gramps |
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| 13:47.38 | zenzio | happy Thursday peppy |
| 13:52.25 | Fisker | thursdays are long and boring |
| 13:57.06 | Kalroth | thats what she said |
| 13:58.04 | Fisker | non sequitur |
| 13:58.28 | Kalroth | thats what he said |
| 13:59.01 | Fisker | That's what they said in Two and a half men |
| 13:59.08 | Fisker | And it was unfunny as hell :( |
| 14:00.14 | zenzio | let me make that sentence a little simpler |
| 14:00.25 | zenzio | Two and a Half Men was unfunny as hell |
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| 14:07.34 | nicoli_s | that it was |
| 14:08.38 | Neffi | You just fail to appreciate the humor in seeing Charlie Sheen coked the hell |
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| 14:10.36 | zenzio | let me shorten that sentence |
| 14:10.42 | zenzio | I fail to appreciate Charlie Sheen |
| 14:11.05 | zenzio | I can't say I hate him, but I sure try to avoid his crap |
| 14:14.11 | Lopeppeppy | Thursday and Friday take too long. *serious nod* |
| 14:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio and Fisker. Hoppy Thors-daze. |
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| 14:20.32 | Fisker | Yeah :( |
| 14:20.38 | Fisker | Almost done with work though |
| 14:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah! |
| 14:25.28 | karl_w_w | I'm sure charlie sheen did a good thing once |
| 14:25.39 | karl_w_w | I don't remember what it was, but it must be there |
| 14:27.03 | karl_w_w | maybe not |
| 14:29.57 | Neffi | define good |
| 14:30.06 | Neffi | he used to blow 7 gram rocks |
| 14:31.17 | karl_w_w | good = thing worth watching |
| 14:32.51 | Neffi | i'd watch that |
| 14:33.25 | Neffi | So I've come to the conclusion that all mATX cases suck |
| 14:33.49 | Neffi | And if they don't outright suck, it's because they're spectacularly unimpressive |
| 14:40.24 | karl_w_w | it's almost as if they made them too small |
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| 14:49.34 | Neffi | I find many of them unnecessarily large |
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| 14:50.00 | Neffi | FT03 would have potential if they had made it more like a larger version of thr 03-mini |
| 14:50.08 | Neffi | But its cooling potential seems abysmal as-is |
| 14:58.06 | jleclanche | A friend is asking me for phone advice |
| 14:59.06 | Unkle | Tell them - "Having a phone is good, better than not having a phone." |
| 14:59.07 | jleclanche | she needs something with decent processing power, data capabilities and storage. good camera is a bonus but not required. upper limit $275 |
| 15:00.21 | jleclanche | android only, 4.x if poss |
| 15:01.54 | Ackis | imo apple products are the best and you should get not one, but 5 iphones |
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| 15:10.35 | Stanzilla | jleclanche: nexus 4? |
| 15:15.17 | Unkle | jleclanche: country/availability kind of play a role here. |
| 15:15.37 | Unkle | Also: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10195779823 - I think they fail to understand the 'taint' idea. |
| 15:15.38 | jleclanche | Pakistan |
| 15:15.43 | jleclanche | and typo, I meant $175 |
| 15:15.44 | karl_w_w | the nexus 4 is the only phone that comes close to meeting those requirements afaik |
| 15:15.53 | karl_w_w | unless you buy a cheap piece of crap |
| 15:16.18 | Unkle | jleclanche: Pakistan? Pakistan? Wow. So fraught with peril for a US citizen to advise... |
| 15:16.44 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.08 | karl_w_w | implying anybody wasn't before |
| 15:17.15 | Dagmar | diavows everyone. |
| 15:17.24 | Dagmar | s/diavows/disavows/ |
| 15:17.26 | Unkle | foxlit: I've been on the watch list since '92. |
| 15:17.29 | TC-Work | s/everyone/humanity/ |
| 15:18.01 | Dagmar | Unkle: I've got you beat. My FBI file started in like 1980 I think it was |
| 15:18.38 | karl_w_w | I have an FBI agent sitting right behind me! |
| 15:18.38 | Dagmar | We all wrote letters to foriegn embassies asking for information about their country for a sociology class. I picked 'Iraq' out of the hat |
| 15:18.52 | Unkle | Dagmar: *nod* I was part of Space Travel Services. We had a contract to put a contest winner on the Mir space station. We got a *lot* of scrutiny. |
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| 15:19.09 | Dagmar | I was in third grade. |
| 15:19.10 | Hazal | I was born in 94 so I can't be on the watch list much earlier than that |
| 15:19.28 | Unkle | is an old man. |
| 15:19.45 | karl_w_w | Hazal is a slacker |
| 15:19.55 | Hazal | How am I slacking? |
| 15:20.16 | karl_w_w | you couldn't even be bothered getting born until 1994! |
| 15:20.22 | Hazal | How do you know that your FBI file has started / you've been added to the "watchlist" |
| 15:20.49 | Dagmar | That's an easy one. File an FIOA request on yourself. |
| 15:20.53 | Hazal | Lol. Not my fault. My parents didn't meet/have coitus which would conceive me early enough |
| 15:21.02 | Dagmar | It's astonishing the tidbits those guys squirrel away |
| 15:21.05 | Unkle | Hazal: I got turned down for security clearance on the basis of my FBI file and that lead to FOIA request on my part. |
| 15:21.14 | karl_w_w | so what you're saying, Hazal, is it runs in the family |
| 15:21.35 | nicoli_s | Unkle:did the FOIA request turn up anything? |
| 15:21.57 | karl_w_w | they know about his addiction to hentai |
| 15:22.02 | foxlit | so the blizzcon virtual ticket is 40$ for 2 days of streaming video |
| 15:22.03 | Hazal | Do you have to be a US citizen to do a FOIA request? |
| 15:22.12 | Hazal | Because I live in Denmark |
| 15:22.14 | foxlit | Someone somewhere is making a rather tidy profit. It's repulsive! |
| 15:22.34 | karl_w_w | how very dare they |
| 15:22.37 | Dagmar | Hazal: Probably, but they might just send you your brand new file that records the fact that you filed the FOIA request in the first place. |
| 15:23.20 | Unkle | nicoli_s: Not a lot. most of it was redacted. Apparently all of the STS guys got surveilled for a while. |
| 15:23.54 | Unkle | foxlit: Probably DirectTV. |
| 15:24.55 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 15:32.58 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/56nDK9vQgD4Z |
| 15:33.00 | jleclanche | Christ google |
| 15:33.02 | jleclanche | you scary |
| 15:33.45 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.33 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNQJm2pe2k well that was enjoyable |
| 15:34.40 | jleclanche | foxlit: ? |
| 15:40.43 | TC-Work | foxlit: Not a huge amount. They have to seriously bulk up connection wise for blizzcon. |
| 15:42.57 | Fisker | nah |
| 15:43.22 | Fisker | also HD was p2p if I recall correctly |
| 15:43.43 | Fisker | definitely a huge profit margin on it |
| 15:43.56 | foxlit | TC-Work: I have no idea what that means. |
| 15:45.14 | TC-Work | Fisker: Don't they also have numerous camera crews there? |
| 15:45.38 | Fisker | sure |
| 15:45.45 | TC-Work | foxlit: The first year they did it, they got bandwith hosed. Almost no one could stream HD properly |
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| 15:47.36 | TC-Work | Fisker: Well....\ |
| 15:47.53 | TC-Work | It may even be that blizz doesn't have to pay for them to be there. |
| 15:48.08 | TC-Work | and they recoup everything off the ticket sales. |
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| 16:05.51 | Unkle | https://medium.com/the-nib/897efdfc6cc6 |
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| 16:15.01 | Fisker | 30MB pompy |
| 16:15.09 | Fisker | I am disappoint |
| 16:18.37 | pompy | lol |
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| 17:01.57 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/NPJQja1 |
| 17:06.44 | Shirik | so my coworker is having a kid in like 2 weeks |
| 17:07.02 | Shirik | someone sent him this: http://imgur.com/a/78I3i |
| 17:08.34 | TC-Work | That's normal |
| 17:08.47 | TC-Work | (what happens to kids that is, not getting a link like that) |
| 17:09.35 | Shirik | that's why it says "this is what you have to look forward to" |
| 17:09.47 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:09.49 | Shirik | that was in the email |
| 17:09.50 | Shirik | nm |
| 17:12.24 | Shirik | I think today I shall wear my C++11 shirt |
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| 17:14.17 | Shirik | omg |
| 17:14.18 | Shirik | http://ikeaordeath.com/ |
| 17:18.40 | zenzelezz | "Reverse inversion" |
| 17:18.53 | zenzelezz | okay, so it means how your tank acts when you reverse, but that was a poor setting name |
| 17:41.16 | Neffi | http://satwcomic.com/government-down |
| 17:41.19 | Neffi | chuckles. |
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| 17:59.53 | TC-Work | bleeter: So....how does golden gaytime taste? |
| 18:01.34 | Neffi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Seraphinianus |
| 18:01.41 | Neffi | this is the strangest fucking thing I've ever read |
| 18:01.52 | Neffi | well, I'm not reading it. I'm not even sure what I'm doing. |
| 18:02.15 | Neffi | Just looking at the writing and illustrations feels like an acid trio |
| 18:03.09 | TC-Work | Acid trip is an acid trip regardless of time. |
| 18:03.53 | Neffi | I don't think this guy just made this as the result of taking drugs |
| 18:05.26 | Neffi | It wouldn't have its own coherent language if that were the case. And some of it is so trippy it almost feels too lucid. |
| 18:05.35 | Neffi | He consciously crafted it that way |
| 18:08.15 | Neffi | Copies of this book on Amazon range from $75-$600. |
| 18:08.33 | Neffi | And it's unusually well seeded on TPB for an obscure book of nonsense |
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| 18:12.31 | TC-Work | Obvoiusly, it is not obscure. |
| 18:12.50 | TC-Work | Obviously* |
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| 18:42.30 | Ackis | growls |
| 18:42.33 | Ackis | roars |
| 18:42.55 | Ackis | I just got out of a meeting where my exact words were "I am sorry I was unable to plan the death of my friends father in advance" |
| 18:43.08 | Unkle | ... |
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| 18:44.49 | nicoli_s | so you apologized for not planning on murdering your fathers friend on a different date? |
| 18:45.32 | Ackis | apparently |
| 18:45.38 | Ackis | I need to plan my murdering better |
| 18:45.42 | Ackis | eyes Torhal |
| 18:46.43 | TC-Work | https://gallery.mailchimp.com/b6db0e3e157a48749e1048615/images/wow.jpg Really tempted to try this |
| 18:47.46 | Torhal | steals Ackis's points. |
| 18:47.58 | Ackis | what's the optimal range for that (if you know), also do you know if it has "cat detection technology"? |
| 18:50.23 | TC-Work | 1 meter. Possibly. It is looking for specific things. |
| 18:50.34 | TC-Work | I don't have a cat to test it on. |
| 18:50.43 | Ackis | s/meter/metre/ |
| 18:50.57 | Ackis | Cairenn: can you set up a script to kick people who don't spell things properly? :D |
| 18:51.11 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 18:51.22 | TC-Work | I would never be able to stay in channel after a comment then |
| 18:52.42 | Ackis | remember those mana ball stress balls we got from blizzcon? do you think they're still stress-squeezing worthy? |
| 18:52.57 | TC-Work | Try it and find out? |
| 18:53.07 | Unkle | STRESS! KILL! |
| 19:01.06 | Neffi | ugh |
| 19:01.54 | Neffi | Got permission to pull somebody else's work into my Skyrim overhaul (TK Dodge). He sent me the source files. Comments are some language that the editor won't support. |
| 19:02.05 | Neffi | And I don't know the programming language in question (yet) |
| 19:12.40 | Lopeppeppy | Mine is still squishy soft, Ackis. Right here on my desk. |
| 19:13.10 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I'm worried about it blowing up |
| 19:13.21 | Ackis | Angry ackis smash mana ball thingy |
| 19:14.06 | Semlar | what the hell is a metre |
| 19:14.37 | Unkle | They're not that durable Ackis. Throwing them can cause them to rupture. They're just meant to be squeezed. Gently. <Headly Lamar>Think of your secretary.</Headly Lamar> |
| 19:15.50 | Ackis | I don't have a secretary, but the nice ladies from Bee Clean, I'll think of them. They're so polite and nice when they come around. Not very much for a conversation though. |
| 19:19.16 | Lopeppeppy | I throw Beanie Babies (tm) |
| 19:19.46 | TC-Work | Semlar: The way the rest of the world spells meter. |
| 19:19.51 | Semlar | impossible |
| 19:19.56 | Semlar | it's not like we made up the word |
| 19:19.58 | TC-Work | And yet.... |
| 19:20.01 | Semlar | we don't even use them! |
| 19:20.34 | Semlar | how can the british spell their own words so wrong |
| 19:21.34 | foxlit | isn't it french? |
| 19:21.50 | foxlit | because a meter is probably something else. |
| 19:22.54 | Lopeppeppy | If it's not scottish it's crap. |
| 19:24.10 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.44 | zenzelezz | tex? |
| 19:24.50 | bleeter | TC-Work: why, do you want one? |
| 19:25.07 | TC-Work | bleeter: Potentially. |
| 19:25.19 | foxlit | tex, zenzelezz. |
| 19:25.26 | bleeter | TC-Work: you don't sound that convinced |
| 19:25.41 | TC-Work | bleeter: Well, I don't know how it tastes. |
| 19:26.48 | bleeter | TC-Work: honestly, if you can't imagine what a gaytime is like then I really can't help you sorry :( |
| 19:27.09 | foxlit | alltt to the rescue. |
| 19:27.35 | Neffi | I hate reading other people's code |
| 19:28.05 | Neffi | local StrFormat = string.format; --[[ later on: ]] print('ERROR: '..StrFormat(str)) |
| 19:28.08 | Neffi | wtf u formatting |
| 19:28.47 | TC-Work | a string |
| 19:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | In another conversation I just concluded that I can't do an IndieGoGo for bail money because they would totally get me on premeditation. |
| 19:28.54 | foxlit | reading other people's code is a great adventure. |
| 19:28.58 | foxlit | Think spelunking into caves. |
| 19:29.22 | foxlit | be nice, or someone might read *your* code. |
| 19:29.32 | Semlar | surely not |
| 19:29.34 | Neffi | that's fine |
| 19:29.35 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: Do it for 'potential' instances where you would need said monies. |
| 19:29.46 | foxlit | (do you have code somewhere?) |
| 19:29.52 | Neffi | Very little of it |
| 19:29.57 | Neffi | nefftd @ WoWInterface |
| 19:29.59 | Neffi | have a blast |
| 19:30.10 | foxlit | Neffi: "The code is somewhat ugly and hackish at the moment," |
| 19:30.13 | foxlit | you're off to a great start. |
| 19:30.29 | Neffi | I don't see that naywhere |
| 19:30.33 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: when the tram & train system in Victoria, Australia, changed from their old ticket system to the new one, some wags tried setting up a crowdsourced fund for defending peoplle prosecuted for not using the new ticket system ... |
| 19:30.37 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14596-Cowsay.html |
| 19:31.03 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: because apparently changing from one form of ticketing to another is difficult for Victorians. Anyways, the group were threatened with some incitement to commit a crime law |
| 19:31.10 | Neffi | Oh wow that's old |
| 19:31.34 | Neffi | That was among the first pieces of code I wrote |
| 19:32.18 | TC-Work | Same could be said about the code you are working on. |
| 19:32.32 | foxlit | "print('\n'..text) -- Encodes the string with an identifier." |
| 19:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | I would *never* incite anyone to commit a crime. Unless it was inciting Cairenn and Slouken to violate open container laws. |
| 19:32.42 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:32.57 | Neffi | TC-Work: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with another person's code. I'm saying little mistakes are automatically irritating to me. |
| 19:33.08 | Cairenn | We never did anything like that, nope nope nope! |
| 19:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | Not even once with a plate of cookies! |
| 19:33.23 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:33.24 | Neffi | Lots of people get annoyed by bad grammar, no? |
| 19:33.58 | Neffi | Anyway thankfully the code I'm pulling in from this guy's mod actually appears to be very well formed |
| 19:34.22 | Neffi | I was looking into a Lua-written parser for the language THIS is written in when I found poor code |
| 19:36.30 | bleeter | that cowsay addon needs more figlet :P |
| 19:38.28 | Neffi | figlet "you need more figlet" |
| 19:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | I need to bake more cookies. It's supposed to rain tonight, that's good baking weather. |
| 19:38.46 | Neffi | There's a good weather for baking? |
| 19:40.36 | Cairenn | Absolutely |
| 19:40.43 | bleeter | humidity |
| 19:41.21 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.27 | bleeter | dang, missed by >< that much |
| 19:43.43 | Fisker | it's always good weather for baking me cookies Neffi |
| 19:43.46 | Fisker | don't be silly |
| 19:44.29 | Neffi | purl, echo lua> print('~lart bleeter') |
| 19:44.29 | purl | lua> print('~lart bleeter') |
| 19:44.29 | lua_bot | purl: ~lart bleeter |
| 19:44.29 | purl | <alias> ~lart lua_bot |
| 19:44.43 | Neffi | i tried |
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| 19:45.04 | TC-Work | It has been tried many times |
| 19:45.48 | Syllios | How do I "Unset" a script I set to handle "OnEvent", setting it to nil? or UnregisterEvent()? |
| 19:46.12 | Neffi | depends what you mean |
| 19:46.17 | TC-Work | Neffi: besides, it should be <reply>: ~lart lua_bot |
| 19:47.32 | Syllios | I've got a simple frame with a texture, all I need is to have the frame stop executing the "OnUpdate" script I set on it |
| 19:47.59 | Syllios | Without setting it to: aFrame:Hide() |
| 19:48.03 | Neffi | :SetScript('OnUpdate',nil) |
| 19:48.15 | Syllios | yeah i tried that then that's not the problem damn -_- |
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| 20:10.22 | Neffi | heh http://i.imgur.com/MPnxVX5.jpg |
| 20:13.25 | bleeter | Neffi: you are very trying |
| 20:13.27 | bleeter | nods |
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| 20:22.17 | Unkle | ~staple Seerah |
| 20:22.17 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Seerah quite well, and hands Seerah to unkle |
| 20:22.36 | Seerah | :) |
| 21:24.19 | p3lim | Heh, chrome is getting cuter: http://i.imgur.com/pedEtzd.png |
| 21:34.07 | bleeter | a lizard? how old school... |
| 21:41.41 | Mr_Rabies | i used to install k-meleon on the awful computers at my mom's office years ago because nothing else would run that was secure enough |
| 21:42.00 | Mr_Rabies | and one of the hilariously computer illiterate office workers called it "her little alligator" |
| 21:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | despite being called "k-meleon" |
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| 23:21.31 | Aeger73 | wohead is killin me. I wonder if I'm being throttled for searching too much |
| 23:27.28 | Ixnorp | Where can I find the most up to date documentation for the WoWCombatLog.txt output? Do WoWCombatLog.txt output fields match the variables of COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED exactly? For example, the documentation on WoWWiki and WoWPedia give 16 fields for a SPELL_ENERGIZE event but the one in my WoWCombatLog.txt has 21 |
| 23:29.47 | Ixnorp | http://pastebin.com/ABNyZxrx |
| 23:37.03 | Stanzilla | We are delighted to confirm that nine previously lost episodes of #DoctorWho have been recovered and are now available to buy exclusively on iTunes! |
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| 23:39.26 | Alram | thats a lot less than 100+ though Stanzilla |
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| 23:51.55 | Semlar | Ixnorp: SPELL_ENERGIZE only has 16 values in-game |
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