| 00:15.35 | kd3 | uh, I don't think this is how pipes are supposed to look: http://imgur.com/gallery/w7ExWzn |
| 00:16.24 | TC-Work | Heh, looks like they were penny pinching and were out of straight bits. |
| 00:20.00 | kd3 | in other news... yay another tropical system in the gulf. maybe we'll get some rain out of this one |
| 00:24.27 | Esamynn|work | Primer: (I can't let this go) TABS for indentation... spaces for alignment! |
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| 00:33.17 | kd3 | oh, gah. adobe got breached and they got the source code to acrobat? whee! more 0-days |
| 00:33.57 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: Uh, shouldn't the tabs make things align? |
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| 00:34.41 | kd3 | trying to horizontally-align field members just causes code churn >.> |
| 00:35.58 | Corrodias | tabs for indentation, and just forget alignment; it isn't worth it |
| 00:37.38 | kd3 | also, "field members"? let's be redundant! |
| 00:38.10 | Corrodias | i agree and concur |
| 00:38.45 | TC-Work | ~lart Corrodias |
| 00:38.45 | purl | cats /dev/urandom into Corrodias's ear |
| 00:39.35 | Corrodias | cat! |
| 00:40.45 | Haakkon | Does anyone know how to find the number/type of empty sockets on an itme? |
| 00:42.16 | kd3 | you have to scrape the tooltip or parse the itemstring |
| 00:42.23 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/ItemString |
| 00:43.06 | Haakkon | but it seems like the itemstring returns 0 for either an empty socket or just not one there |
| 00:43.59 | Primer | Esamynn|work: I used the think the same way, but I was brought around by sound arguments for spaces. |
| 00:45.44 | Haakkon | so I guess I have to scrape the tooltip then |
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| 00:52.38 | Grivvel | Hakkon: If you just want to know the total number of sockets I think you could use the GetItemStats function. |
| 00:53.05 | Grivvel | Hakkon: If you're looking specifically for empty sockets, that won't help you |
| 00:54.30 | Primer | It's GearScore!! |
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| 01:09.55 | Esamynn|work | Primer: I would like to hear said arguments |
| 01:11.45 | Esamynn|work | kd3: I'd say there is no hard and fast rule for when to use alignment |
| 01:12.12 | Esamynn|work | I just got for what ever I think is the easiest to read |
| 01:13.46 | Primer | Esamynn|work: it was long ago, and I don't remember |
| 01:13.52 | Primer | Oddly though, I still use tabs |
| 01:14.10 | Grivvel | I try to appease both parties by using a mix of spaces and tabs on each line. |
| 01:14.34 | kd3 | winces |
| 01:14.39 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Grivvel |
| 01:14.39 | purl | --purges Grivvel |
| 01:15.50 | Grivvel | I try to handle it a bit like the branches of the US legislative government. On even lines, I try to use an equal number of spaces and tabs. On odd lines, I try to make sure that the space used is equal among spaces and tabs (so anywhere between 2-4 spaces for every tab depending on my editor). |
| 01:16.03 | Grivvel | It's really the only logical way to handle it if you think about it. |
| 01:16.20 | Esamynn|work | ~whalenuke Grivvel |
| 01:16.21 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Grivvel with his mind powers. |
| 01:16.57 | Esamynn|work | you, sir, are evil, just for saying that |
| 01:18.25 | Grivvel | You sound like some sort of an indentation fascist. Attempting to give all of the power to just the tabs or spaces. I try to share power equally. I call it "Freedom Indentation". |
| 01:19.08 | Esamynn|work | roflmao |
| 01:19.29 | Esamynn|work | troll |
| 01:19.42 | Hazal | I have tried making an addon use the C_PetBattles.ChangePet(PetIndex) where petindex is a number between 1-3. Does "functions" like this require a button press to happen? |
| 01:19.52 | Esamynn|work | but at least you're a funny troll =D |
| 01:20.09 | Neffi | Hazal: Some functions do require a button press. Hook it up to a button and test it. |
| 01:20.26 | Grivvel | Hazal: I wouldn't be surprised. I could see them not wanting people to automate pet battles. |
| 01:20.37 | Hazal | It works with a button. But not without. Is there any documentation where I can know what requires button presses? |
| 01:20.53 | Esamynn|work | just the 3rd party documentation sites |
| 01:21.03 | Esamynn|work | wowprogramming and/or wowpedia primarily |
| 01:21.05 | Neffi | wowpedia.org |
| 01:21.13 | Neffi | Hazal, try this: |
| 01:21.31 | Hazal | http://wowpedia.org/API_C_PetBattles.ChangePet Doesn't say that it's protected or requires a button press :) |
| 01:21.36 | Neffi | If it works directly in an OnClick, then write a script that instead tries to activate it on the next OnUpdate |
| 01:21.45 | Neffi | if it fails in the OnUpdate, then it requires a button press |
| 01:22.02 | Esamynn|work | and then update the wiki! =D |
| 01:22.10 | Neffi | Hazal: Documentation on those sites is done by users/authors. If nobody's run across your problem, then they havent posted it yet |
| 01:22.11 | kd3 | also, it's a wiki and please update the wiki |
| 01:22.24 | Hazal | I'm all new to this Addon development Esamynn. I don't feel comfortable updating wiki's yet |
| 01:22.39 | kd3 | don't be scared. we don't bite |
| 01:22.46 | kd3 | <-- wowpedia admin |
| 01:22.52 | Neffi | If you're still not sure if it req a button press, at least add a note in the Discussion tab that it appears to |
| 01:22.53 | Esamynn|work | kd3: liar |
| 01:23.21 | kd3 | well, ok, technically I'm a bureaucrat |
| 01:23.22 | Hazal | You guys are cool :) Thanks for all the quick responses ! |
| 01:23.35 | Esamynn|work | I meant about the biting, but whatever ;) |
| 01:23.41 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 01:23.43 | Neffi | I understand not wanting to mess things up, but wikis depend on the help to function. |
| 01:23.48 | TC-Work | Some people in here do inded bite |
| 01:24.18 | Esamynn|work | awww, no peppy |
| 01:24.27 | TC-Work | Nor a drunk Caireen |
| 01:24.38 | alestane | Not at this hour, Esamynn|work, not at all. |
| 01:25.02 | TC-Work | Cairenn* |
| 01:27.01 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: anyways, to echo what Neffi said, better to attempt to provide useful information and be wrong sometimes then never make any changes... as long as you are making an honest effort it will be appreciated. And if you're not sure, make a note of it. |
| 01:27.57 | Esamynn|work | heads home |
| 01:28.18 | Hazal | I'll consider it in the future. I'm currently working on creating my first addon. |
| 01:28.35 | Semlar | simcraft has been calculating reforge options for the past 30 minutes |
| 01:28.45 | Semlar | i think i may be doing this wrong |
| 01:28.50 | Hazal | lol |
| 01:38.28 | Semlar | hey it finished |
| 01:38.44 | Semlar | welp not going to be running 10k iterations again |
| 01:38.59 | Haakkon | Did not know that sha of pride was 100% for legendary quest items |
| 01:39.28 | Haakkon | whoops wrong irc not #Acherus |
| 01:40.10 | Haakkon | To be on topic, scraping is the only thing I can find to work that will show empty sockets |
| 01:40.17 | Haakkon | so that's what I'm going with |
| 01:40.51 | kd3 | unfortunately, that's what it comes down to more often than not with items/spells/etc |
| 01:41.43 | Hazal | What's scraping? |
| 01:42.00 | kd3 | getting a tooltip and then parsing each line in it |
| 01:42.10 | Hazal | kk |
| 01:42.14 | Hazal | Thanks for explaining |
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| 02:40.53 | Hazal | Anyone who can help me understand what happens in a specific case of string pattern matching? I looked into an addon called WoWkemon because it does something similar to what I wanna do but I'm not sure exactly how the pattern: "%[.+%]" isolates text(Any character?) inside the two [] brackets. |
| 02:43.00 | Babelfish | The period matches any character and the plus sign modifies the preceding element so it matches one or more. |
| 02:43.32 | Dagmar | The % markers escape the brackets, otherwise they'd get treated as range delimiters |
| 02:43.45 | Dagmar | It makes them match [ and ] literally |
| 02:44.11 | Dagmar | See also http://www.lua.org/pil/20.2.html |
| 02:44.28 | Hazal | Thanks a lot :) |
| 02:45.46 | Dagmar | Coherent questions generally get coherent answers |
| 02:47.34 | Hazal | Do you think I should contact a developer of an addon if I think there is a better way to do something that he/she is doing? |
| 02:48.02 | Dagmar | If you're right, probably so |
| 02:48.36 | Dagmar | If you can actually *code* it and send it to them as a diff, it would take a special kind of jackass to get bent out of shape about it |
| 02:49.06 | TC-Work | So you mean like most people? |
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| 02:49.26 | Dagmar | Coders aren't most people |
| 02:49.39 | TC-Work | They are people like any other. |
| 02:49.40 | Dagmar | ...not the ones publishing code for free, at any rate. |
| 02:49.57 | Dagmar | It took management *days* to wrap their heads around why I was doing all the coding for Dropline |
| 02:50.11 | Dagmar | They thought I was working on some commercial thing |
| 02:50.24 | Dagmar | A _student_ actually talked to one of them and explained it |
| 02:50.30 | Dagmar | ...cuz they used Dropline |
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| 03:05.49 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: why was it an issue? |
| 03:11.01 | Dagmar | They coudn't wrap their heads around why I wasn't spending all night watching cartoons or something I guess |
| 03:11.23 | Dagmar | For some insane reason they get it into their heads that NOC engineers don't actually *do* anything |
| 03:11.39 | Dagmar | They don't seem to realize that if everything is going _well_, then and only then to NOC engineers not do anything. |
| 03:12.09 | Dagmar | ...and basically they're not *supposed* to do anything because they could have to drop whatever it is and go analyze a problem |
| 03:13.48 | alestane | NOC engineers are a lot like A/V operators that way… when things are going well, they're invisible. |
| 03:14.59 | Dagmar | Yeah it makes it very hard to demonstrate that you're doing a good job |
| 03:17.04 | alestane | The A/V engineers with the best reputations have a certain proportion of minor problems that they clear up very quickly. |
| 03:17.15 | alestane | Those with no problems are assumed to be "just doing their job." |
| 03:19.47 | Dagmar | yeah luckily for me we employ a number of fuckups |
| 03:41.47 | Neffi | wow http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/1/6/9/208169_v1.jpg |
| 03:42.19 | Neffi | Especially incredible considering we're probably a half-decade from being able to render that movie in realtime on high-end gaming hardware |
| 03:42.52 | Semlar | how many frames feature this character |
| 03:43.18 | Neffi | Most of the movie |
| 03:43.21 | Neffi | He's a main character |
| 03:43.41 | Semlar | alright according to my math it took 10 years to create this movie |
| 03:44.11 | Neffi | They probably mean to say it took one computer 11-12 hours. I'm sure the whole was parrallelized |
| 03:44.14 | kd3 | thankfully they can render frames in parallel, but I wouldn't be surprised if that number's within an order of magnitude |
| 03:44.24 | Semlar | ah well maybe they shouldn't have said it took 12 hours |
| 03:44.37 | Neffi | EACH frame easily could have |
| 03:44.49 | Neffi | Doesn't mean they ain't doing 1000 frames at once |
| 03:44.54 | Semlar | yes it does |
| 03:45.10 | Neffi | The movie was considered to be using pretty advanced animation techniques for the time |
| 03:45.22 | Neffi | I wouldn't be surprised if they dedicated a large farm to do it |
| 03:48.06 | Neffi | So wait, you've never seen Monsters Inc, Semlar? |
| 03:48.15 | Semlar | no |
| 03:48.18 | Neffi | wtf |
| 03:48.31 | Dagmar | Pizar spends a LOT of money on boxes |
| 03:48.35 | Dagmar | er Pixar |
| 03:48.39 | Neffi | You should. It's a really good movie. |
| 03:48.53 | Dagmar | Hair is a computationally-intensive motherfucker |
| 03:49.01 | Semlar | i'd rather complain about them postponing vampire prosecutor 3 |
| 03:49.14 | Haakkon | Can you set a frame's parent to be a blizzard UI element when creating it in XML? |
| 03:49.38 | Semlar | does frame have a parent attribute |
| 03:49.42 | Neffi | They went above and beyond with M Inc. They even had an actual toddler doing all the voices for the Boo |
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| 03:49.55 | Neffi | They let her roam around the studio and kept microphones on her |
| 03:50.10 | Neffi | Haakkon: yes |
| 03:50.16 | kd3 | wow. looks like they finally yanked the gfwl requirement from bioshock 2. I may actually play it now |
| 03:50.25 | Neffi | I believe it's like this: parent="UIParent" |
| 03:50.41 | Neffi | If there weren't an XML attribute you could always do: |
| 03:50.50 | Neffi | <OnLoad> self:SetParent(UIParent) </OnLoad> |
| 03:51.36 | Primer | People use XML? |
| 03:51.37 | Haakkon | Im doing it in script right now but then I manually have to change the frameLevel after |
| 03:51.50 | Neffi | You usually dont have to change the framelevel |
| 03:52.04 | Neffi | I'm not sure about this case |
| 03:52.48 | Neffi | But if you did, for instance, CreateFrame('Frame', 'myFrame', Minimap), without setting level/strata manually, your frame is automatically leveled above Minimap |
| 03:53.08 | Neffi | It's reasons like this that I think doing things in Lua is easier |
| 03:53.12 | Neffi | then again I hate XML |
| 03:53.19 | Haakkon | Yeah I might just end up doing it in Lua |
| 03:53.40 | Neffi | Try the parent="" attribute |
| 03:53.47 | Neffi | That might resolve things properly |
| 03:54.07 | Haakkon | that's what I had originally but it just ends up with no parent |
| 03:54.25 | Neffi | Check some example code. I'm not too sure on the details. Like I said, I hate XML. |
| 03:54.34 | Neffi | FrameXML should have tons of examples of how to do this |
| 04:01.14 | Haakkon | Actually I take it back, the parenting seems to be working, setAllPoints isn't |
| 04:01.22 | Haakkon | I can just do that onload though |
| 04:02.13 | Neffi | setAllPoints should take either a frame name (to anchor to) or "true" (for the parent). Are you sure you're using it right? |
| 04:02.18 | Neffi | I use that often without issue |
| 04:02.33 | Haakkon | no I mean in the xml |
| 04:02.42 | Haakkon | there's a setAllPoints attribute |
| 04:02.49 | Neffi | Should work the same |
| 04:02.56 | Neffi | Anyway the onload trick would work |
| 04:03.15 | Haakkon | that one takes a boolean and sets it to it's parent |
| 04:03.30 | Haakkon | but for whatever reason that doesn't seem to be working, but doing it in code works fine |
| 04:04.03 | Haakkon | the parenting I just needed to do as it's created so the levels got set up right as it was created |
| 04:28.33 | Dagmar | An Oedipal reference. |
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| 04:45.27 | Fisker | jnwhiteh this is discrimination |
| 04:46.00 | Fisker | you guys can be searched by someone of the same gender :( |
| 04:46.28 | Dagmar | I could maybe not put up a fuss if i were being searched by a cute redheaded girl |
| 04:47.07 | Dagmar | Any complaining I might do in that sort of situation would strictly be just to make conversation. ;) |
| 04:48.10 | Dagmar | ...but if you've got the stones for it, I've found that _flirting_ with someone of the same gender who is homophobic to be hilarious. |
| 04:48.41 | Fisker | I hate that |
| 04:49.57 | Dagmar | WEll, if they're doing it correctly, it shoudlnt' freak people out |
| 04:50.06 | Dagmar | Bad training and assholes are another matter entirely |
| 04:50.15 | Dagmar | They tend to be the majority case. |
| 04:56.58 | Fisker | anyway I should probably be going |
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| 05:33.38 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/t59qY |
| 05:33.46 | Neffi | Apparently Neffi in Elvish looks like "mk" |
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| 06:26.37 | Hazal | Anyone else having problems with loading wowpedia? |
| 06:30.12 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 06:30.23 | bluspacecow | Unable to open CDB file "/media/hydra-cache/wowpedia.org/l10n_cache-en.cdb" |
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| 07:04.26 | Primer | Ugh, I really wish weakauras had some sort of snap to grid and icon size template |
| 07:14.21 | zenzio | apparently eating can be hard... http://www.edisproduction.de/2013/09/19/red-panda-freaking-out-over-a-pumpkin/ |
| 07:17.10 | ccox | too cute |
| 07:19.45 | Fisker | BTW Dagmar flying is awesome |
| 07:20.10 | Fisker | now I know how kirk feels when he goes into warp |
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| 07:38.15 | Alram | intertial dampers pls Fisker |
| 07:38.18 | Alram | inertial |
| 07:38.19 | Alram | whatever |
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| 11:57.03 | zenzio | so my workplace, minus myself, have just switch mobile provider |
| 11:57.44 | zenzio | the change took effect 25 minutes ago - supposedly. The old provider cut them off, but the new one didn't seem to work just yet |
| 11:58.03 | zenzio | and some also have their phone locked to the old provider |
| 11:58.24 | zenzio | so my phone, being the only one not affected, is now making the rounds in the office so everyone can call support |
| 11:58.49 | zenzio | amusingly, my phone has never been used this much in one month. I barely ever call or receive calls on it |
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| 12:22.06 | foxlit | Stanzilla: foxlit: 2x [ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN] AddOn "OPie" tried to call the protected function "PlaceRaidMarker()". :( << tell me more. |
| 12:24.09 | Stanzilla | foxlit: http://paste2.org/IVLdGOvK |
| 12:24.12 | Stanzilla | all I have |
| 12:24.57 | foxlit | okay, but opie isn't on that call stack, so you're presumably using something else to place the marker? |
| 12:25.14 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 12:25.23 | Stanzilla | was using the opie ring |
| 12:25.38 | foxlit | in combination with your own macro? |
| 12:25.43 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 12:25.50 | Stanzilla | it usually works just this time it did not |
| 12:25.56 | Stanzilla | maybe taintception with something else |
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| 12:26.56 | foxlit | could you screenshot the slice you were trying to trigger in the custom rings configuration panel? |
| 12:28.05 | Stanzilla | foxlit: https://db.tt/i607qnZq |
| 12:28.19 | foxlit | right, er. |
| 12:28.23 | foxlit | That's not the default world markers ring |
| 12:28.34 | Stanzilla | never changed it |
| 12:29.06 | drin | I have a small question, I can't seem to get a reading on chi for my monk. Anyone know what function should use for this information? |
| 12:29.27 | Stanzilla | drin: UnitPower() |
| 12:29.27 | foxlit | I could grep for "Green Flare" in git history, but I'm reasonably certain it's from something else. Maybe you downloaded another addon that provided that functionality ages ago? |
| 12:29.50 | Stanzilla | foxlit: pretty sure I did not. Any way to revert to the default one? |
| 12:29.52 | drin | ok ill try : ) |
| 12:29.56 | Sintacks | they need to just make raid markers a normal casted spell |
| 12:29.57 | Sintacks | :| |
| 12:30.00 | Stanzilla | foxlit: also all the other flare macros look the same |
| 12:30.03 | Sintacks | it is actually a casted spell... |
| 12:30.11 | Sintacks | but the way you have to do it is stupid |
| 12:30.17 | foxlit | there's a sane way to do it |
| 12:30.23 | foxlit | the problem is that Stanzilla isn't using it. |
| 12:30.52 | Stanzilla | oh there is a restore default button |
| 12:30.56 | Stanzilla | now even the icons changed |
| 12:31.06 | foxlit | Stanzilla: so a few possible things: the unselect the slice; the ring itself might have a "Restore default" button |
| 12:31.08 | Stanzilla | I'm pretty sure I never changed anything there |
| 12:31.58 | Stanzilla | foxlit: maybe you had that implementation in an earlier version and it was saved as custom so never updated? |
| 12:32.13 | foxlit | I can check. |
| 12:32.26 | Stanzilla | having an "restore default" button there kinda suggests that |
| 12:32.27 | foxlit | It's certainly possible; AB is probably newer than the world markers ring. |
| 12:34.19 | karl_w_w | restores Stanzilla's defaults |
| 12:34.37 | foxlit | so there's also this: http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/opie-world-markers |
| 12:34.46 | foxlit | which seems to match your old layout |
| 12:36.08 | Stanzilla | might have had that |
| 12:37.25 | foxlit | must've been that. OPie's default world marker ring wasn't user-editable before AB got world marker types; there's no way that macro would've persisted without someone else injecting it. |
| 12:37.36 | Stanzilla | okay |
| 12:37.39 | Stanzilla | sorry then! |
| 12:37.43 | Stanzilla | and thanks :) |
| 12:37.46 | foxlit | np, fixed it :) |
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| 12:56.16 | heliogabalo | hello |
| 12:56.43 | heliogabalo | aboout simulationcraft... |
| 13:00.52 | heliogabalo | I can transfer the simularion the wow server? how? |
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| 13:04.53 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 13:05.40 | heliogabalo | How much does it cost to play a character as player 0 in wow? |
| 13:06.36 | heliogabalo | in dollars or euros, I mean |
| 13:06.54 | Sintacks | wat |
| 13:08.03 | heliogabalo | to make the character play automatic, and go up levels ... |
| 13:08.36 | Sintacks | what? |
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| 13:10.11 | heliogabalo | in wow. I can make a generous offer. |
| 13:10.23 | heliogabalo | is for a kid of 8 years |
| 13:12.20 | heliogabalo | has a hard time winning anything. but I like the game and I would like to give it to the "addon" |
| 13:14.53 | Stanzilla | hahaha |
| 13:15.42 | Sintacks | wut |
| 13:15.51 | heliogabalo | Why did that laugh? |
| 13:16.23 | Sintacks | why are you wanting to Bot wow |
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| 13:18.09 | heliogabalo | I do not know how, but their peers at school have it and he demand to me |
| 13:19.32 | heliogabalo | will pay for the bot, and if he likes he'll buy another later |
| 13:19.51 | Stanzilla | botting is not legal |
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| 13:20.10 | heliogabalo | hahahahah |
| 13:20.10 | Sintacks | you do know botting is against WoW's terms of use and would result in a ban, right? |
| 13:20.17 | Kalroth | bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do |
| 13:20.49 | heliogabalo | Many things in life are illegal |
| 13:20.56 | Sintacks | html5 youtube is being an asshole |
| 13:21.36 | Kalroth | heliogabalo: this channel generally follows the terms of WoW too - meaning that boting discussing is frowned upon |
| 13:21.55 | Sintacks | and the only reason you are able to keep talking is that the ops are always afk |
| 13:21.59 | heliogabalo | but is a matter of perspective. It is also the largest ever illegal abuse small ... in the game |
| 13:22.15 | Kalroth | nope, this is pretty black and white |
| 13:23.00 | heliogabalo | but since there are already many people using it, and for not going to spend anything more |
| 13:24.27 | heliogabalo | besides, it is not cheating, just to help raise the character, has a lot of work at school |
| 13:24.45 | Sintacks | then he should spend his time on school and not video games |
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| 13:25.29 | heliogabalo | is true, but the kid takes very good grades, he deserves |
| 13:25.46 | Stanzilla | level for him then |
| 13:25.48 | Stanzilla | no need to bot |
| 13:25.57 | Stanzilla | takes like 2 days to level a character |
| 13:26.02 | Sintacks | even that is kind of against the tou :| |
| 13:26.38 | jleclanche | anyone knows something like https://www.one-tab.com/ for firefox? |
| 13:26.49 | heliogabalo | muchomas has not the takes several months playing and not able to upload a single character |
| 13:27.09 | Stanzilla | not sure what you mean by that |
| 13:27.54 | Sintacks | language barriers are annoying |
| 13:28.19 | heliogabalo | does not take much more, the game takes several months and is not able to upload a single character |
| 13:28.28 | heliogabalo | sorry |
| 13:29.47 | Sintacks | i should have gone to bed already... |
| 13:30.27 | heliogabalo | costs him much, was level 10 or 12 in a week |
| 13:31.08 | Stanzilla | teach him then |
| 13:31.16 | Stanzilla | because that takes like 10min |
| 13:31.31 | heliogabalo | he needs an incentive, and I promised. |
| 13:31.46 | sintAcks | his incentive should be to level a toon to max, himself. |
| 13:32.00 | heliogabalo | I will pay well |
| 13:32.11 | sintAcks | if you want to help him level a toon, buy him a leveling guide |
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| 13:33.09 | heliogabalo | I want to concentrate on the study, in school, not in the game. The guide will distract |
| 13:33.46 | sintAcks | the guide i'm refering to is displayed in game via an addon and just tells him where to go and what to do |
| 13:33.59 | heliogabalo | I can help you to upload, it's true, but I have too many things to do |
| 13:34.48 | heliogabalo | How is called the guide? |
| 13:35.03 | sintAcks | because it guides you through leveling |
| 13:35.19 | heliogabalo | How is called the guide? |
| 13:36.40 | sintAcks | google zygor |
| 13:36.42 | sintAcks | goes to bed |
| 13:37.36 | heliogabalo | google zygor? |
| 13:37.46 | sintAcks | google as a verb. |
| 13:37.50 | sintAcks | go search zygor on google |
| 13:45.20 | karl_w_w | "go search"? |
| 13:47.02 | foxlit | so after fully spending 6000 coins on timeless isle chest keys, all I got was two armor tokens. |
| 13:47.55 | Stanzilla | yeah they nerfed that pretty hard |
| 13:52.24 | karl_w_w | hearthstone arena as a shaman = shittest thing in the world |
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| 14:00.42 | heliogabalo | iĺl try |
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| 15:19.20 | foxlit | can you apply a mask to Texture objects in wow? |
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| 15:38.57 | Ackis | ffs I fail at web development |
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| 15:39.58 | Torhal | Ackis: s/at web development// |
| 15:40.48 | Ackis | h8 u |
| 15:42.12 | Torhal | Ackis: ilu |
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| 15:46.11 | karl_w_w | poor Ackis |
| 15:48.17 | Ackis | it's ok karl_w_w, little does Torhal know, I'm faxing him a dozen cats |
| 15:48.34 | Torhal | Ackis: Sick bastard! |
| 16:00.13 | TC-Work | I'm with you on that one Ackis. I'm trying to create a google maps like interactive seating plan, and meh. |
| 16:03.06 | karl_w_w | TC-Work, just do a box that says "Click here for seating plan.", set up javascript to change the text on click to "Find seat, apply butt." |
| 16:04.18 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: It's not quite that simple. It is a floor plan of our offices, that shows who and what hardware is assigned to which location. |
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| 16:15.49 | foxlit | there seems to be no way to get notified when TitleRegion dragging starts/stops. |
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| 16:28.49 | Ackis | should I worry about making my php code output html code with appropriate indentation? |
| 16:29.47 | Semlar | not really |
| 16:31.34 | Semlar | whenever i'm browsing the DOM it's usually in something that indents it for me |
| 16:37.01 | Semlar | does anyone here use simcraft? |
| 16:37.32 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 16:37.39 | Semlar | where is the plot data supposed to show up |
| 16:37.52 | karl_w_w | in the results :P |
| 16:38.04 | Semlar | it's supposed to be in the html results? |
| 16:38.14 | karl_w_w | i've only used the plot once so it's not clear to me |
| 16:38.19 | Semlar | the plot data tab is just empty |
| 16:38.35 | karl_w_w | did you turn on the plot things? :P |
| 16:38.38 | Semlar | yeah |
| 16:38.54 | Semlar | i'm trying to use it to show me how i should reforge and i don't.. see.. anything in the html tab about it |
| 16:39.13 | karl_w_w | not sure why you'd use plot for that |
| 16:39.32 | Semlar | uh what else would Reforge Plots be for |
| 16:39.38 | karl_w_w | just get it to do scaling |
| 16:39.56 | Semlar | scaling appears to be for upgrades to your current gear |
| 16:40.26 | Semlar | like if you added stats to what you currently have |
| 16:40.31 | Semlar | not shifted them around |
| 16:41.26 | Semlar | there's a screenshot on wowhead showing this http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/guide/images/80.jpg as the forge plot data |
| 16:41.33 | Semlar | and there is absolutely nothing like that in my simcraft |
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| 16:42.19 | Semlar | i'm not sure if i need to install something to make this work |
| 16:43.53 | karl_w_w | as far as i know everyone just uses scaling |
| 16:44.53 | Semlar | hm |
| 16:45.12 | Semlar | their explanation of it makes me think that's mostly for comparing gear |
| 16:45.13 | karl_w_w | you can centre it so it's not just increases |
| 16:45.43 | karl_w_w | and just chuck the numbers in mr robot |
| 16:47.01 | Semlar | a good reason to not use reforge plots is because it's unbelievably slow |
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| 16:47.46 | karl_w_w | yeah im discovering that now |
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| 16:48.11 | Semlar | like i wouldn't even bother doing it |
| 16:48.25 | Semlar | it took me 40 minutes to do 10k iterations on 3 stats |
| 16:48.33 | karl_w_w | and if all I get out the end of it is a colourful picture I don't know how that's actually going to help reforge |
| 16:48.42 | Semlar | and the fact that i CAN'T FIND THE DATA leads me to believe it isn't doing anything |
| 16:49.02 | Semlar | try it with 100 iterations and see if it makes a graph for you |
| 16:49.07 | Unkle | The plotting, it does nothing! </mcBain> |
| 16:49.14 | karl_w_w | it does |
| 16:49.19 | karl_w_w | on the right near the top |
| 16:49.26 | karl_w_w | click get refore plot charts |
| 16:49.40 | karl_w_w | and then wonder what you're meant to do with that information |
| 16:49.47 | Semlar | wait where? |
| 16:49.54 | Semlar | on the html results? |
| 16:49.55 | karl_w_w | on the results |
| 16:49.56 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 16:50.11 | Semlar | god dammit |
| 16:50.12 | karl_w_w | this is why everyone uses scaling :P |
| 16:50.24 | Semlar | why is that in a separate link |
| 16:50.29 | Semlar | WHY |
| 16:51.05 | Semlar | i think red means more deeps and blue means less deeps |
| 16:51.08 | karl_w_w | and then when you click it you can't go back to the results |
| 16:51.24 | Semlar | i see that |
| 16:51.29 | karl_w_w | yeah that's my guess Semlar, but how in fuckity does that help |
| 16:51.30 | Semlar | this is a terrible program |
| 16:51.44 | karl_w_w | just use scaling like everyone else it's fine :P |
| 16:52.06 | Semlar | okay how do i actually use this program to help me improve my character |
| 16:52.22 | Semlar | is the only thing people use it for to generate scaling stat values |
| 16:52.44 | karl_w_w | depends how in depth you want to go |
| 16:53.09 | karl_w_w | the easiest way with good payoff is to get stat values and put them in mr robot |
| 16:53.25 | Semlar | well, the only thing i would want a program for would be to tell me how i should regem and reforge and what the best talents would be for me |
| 16:53.27 | karl_w_w | if you want to go nuts you'll do a seperate sim for each upgrade and see what's best |
| 16:53.51 | karl_w_w | yeah, mr robot will do all that Semlar |
| 16:54.09 | Semlar | but i have to use the stat values from simcraft? |
| 16:54.21 | Semlar | they don't seem to match the ones on askmrrobot |
| 16:54.21 | karl_w_w | it'll do a far better job if you use your own stat weights than the default ones, yes |
| 16:58.33 | Semlar | i also can't help but notice it doesn't actually generate a proper link for askmrrobot |
| 16:59.10 | karl_w_w | it generates a link for mr robot? |
| 16:59.15 | Semlar | yep |
| 16:59.20 | Semlar | under the scale factors |
| 16:59.33 | Semlar | it has Optimizers wowreforge and askmrrobot links |
| 16:59.54 | Semlar | the wowreforge link does contain the weights, the askmrrobot link just has &weights= nothing else |
| 17:00.36 | Semlar | so i guess you have to enter them manually |
| 17:01.19 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 17:01.33 | karl_w_w | i think the mr robot one is new, haven't noticed it before |
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| 17:02.33 | karl_w_w | it loads it inside the results tab |
| 17:02.39 | karl_w_w | facepalms |
| 17:03.01 | Semlar | yeah i imagine this displays better in an actual browser |
| 17:03.02 | Lopeppeppy | We have ballsy thieves around here. Stole an entire double-wide trailer home. |
| 17:03.21 | Semlar | and the people were still inside! |
| 17:03.32 | TC-Work | And it had no tires. |
| 17:04.03 | Semlar | come to think of it it wasn't actually a trailer home |
| 17:04.48 | karl_w_w | it was actually police headquarters! |
| 17:05.01 | Semlar | fark |
| 17:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't say about the tires or the people. They hitched it up to a tractor and just crawled away with it. |
| 17:06.09 | Semlar | slowest heist ever |
| 17:06.22 | karl_w_w | and the tractor was broken down, they had to get out and push! |
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| 17:08.28 | Semlar | is there any simple way i can tell simcraft to show me data for another spec |
| 17:10.49 | Semlar | like what would my dps be like as survival instead of beast mastery |
| 17:12.04 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 17:12.23 | karl_w_w | on the simulate tab change spec |
| 17:13.28 | Semlar | what you mean with words? |
| 17:13.44 | Semlar | you know i tried typing survival instead of beast_mastery and it threw a fit |
| 17:14.10 | karl_w_w | spec=beast_mastery |
| 17:14.15 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 17:14.16 | Semlar | yeah i changed it to spec=survival |
| 17:14.22 | Semlar | and it was like WHAT |
| 17:14.47 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:14.48 | Semlar | actually it crashed |
| 17:15.01 | Semlar | SimulationCraft.exe has stopped working |
| 17:15.03 | karl_w_w | did it climb out of the screen and try to slap sense into you? |
| 17:15.32 | karl_w_w | oh the actions probably dont match the spec |
| 17:16.17 | Semlar | honestly why can't i just be like hey switch specs and it should be like ok |
| 17:16.51 | karl_w_w | i guess you could go to the import tab and use a sample profile |
| 17:16.56 | karl_w_w | and copy your gear into it |
| 17:18.35 | Semlar | should i just copy the actions out of one of the survival profiles? |
| 17:18.56 | karl_w_w | your guess is as good as mine :P |
| 17:19.07 | Semlar | i have no idea if it picks the actions based on anything |
| 17:19.48 | karl_w_w | i dont think it does |
| 17:19.48 | TC-Work | nicoli_s: looks like barracuda made good on their promise. |
| 17:20.30 | karl_w_w | but i must awake in sub-6 hours so many lucks to you all |
| 17:20.49 | Semlar | okay |
| 17:22.36 | Semlar | well it's not crashing so that's a good sign |
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| 18:16.55 | TC-Work | Bah, opening a 500kb pdf in PS turns it into 300MB. |
| 18:18.42 | TC-Work | and takes 1.6GB of ram |
| 18:18.52 | TC-Work | open it in illustrator, 300MB of ram. |
| 18:19.35 | Unkle | Are you embedding fonts and large images? |
| 18:19.53 | TC-Work | The pdf is one single image |
| 18:20.07 | TC-Work | Large is subjective I suppose. |
| 18:20.50 | Unkle | Still, fonts? |
| 18:21.11 | Unkle | And did you flaten the image before turning it into a PDF file? |
| 18:21.36 | TC-Work | I am opening the PDF, not saving to |
| 18:21.46 | Unkle | ah |
| 18:21.51 | TC-Work | and fonts? maybe 2 or 3 different ones? |
| 18:22.19 | TC-Work | The interesting thing, is that I feel it was made in illustrator then saved as a pdf and that's why it works better |
| 18:22.43 | Unkle | If they embed the entire font then the PDF will be very large indeed. |
| 18:22.52 | TC-Work | the PDF is 500kb |
| 18:23.43 | TC-Work | saving it from PS in the lowest possible jpeg res is 1.7MB |
| 18:24.07 | TC-Work | I just find it interesing.....and kinda annoying. |
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| 18:57.30 | jleclanche | anyone really good with sed |
| 18:58.07 | jleclanche | i have the following json: {"error": 400, "hash": "<youtube-like hash>"} |
| 18:58.33 | jleclanche | it contains newlines, spaces and lots of other values sometimes |
| 19:00.15 | jleclanche | i want to get the values of "hash" and "error" in two separate variables, in bash, knowing both are optionally there |
| 19:03.56 | Torhal | jleclanche: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1955505/parsing-json-with-sed-and-awk OR https://gist.github.com/cjus/1047794 look promising. |
| 19:04.32 | tlund | jleclanche: ..but the error and the hash never contains newlines or spaces, right? |
| 19:04.42 | jleclanche | tlund: correct |
| 19:04.50 | jleclanche | error is always a 3-digit number |
| 19:05.18 | jleclanche | hash is always a-zA-Z0-9+-_ and some more |
| 19:05.48 | jleclanche | Torhal: jsawk is way overkill for a quick script |
| 19:05.57 | TC-Work | Wouldn't it be easier to parse it with purl or python or other scripting language? |
| 19:05.58 | tlund | echo ' {"error": 400, "hash": "<youtube-like hash>"}' | sed -nre 's#.*"error": ([0-9]+), .*#\1#p' |
| 19:06.00 | Torhal | jleclanche: That's why I gave the second link |
| 19:06.02 | tlund | 400 |
| 19:06.35 | jleclanche | right, the thing is |
| 19:06.47 | jleclanche | i want to set two variables within the (same?) sed/awk call |
| 19:06.50 | tlund | $ echo ' {"error": 400, "hash": "blaha"}' | sed -nre 's#.*"hash": "([^"]+)".*#\1#p' |
| 19:06.53 | tlund | blaha |
| 19:06.55 | jleclanche | ive no idea how to do that |
| 19:07.04 | tlund | well |
| 19:07.08 | tlund | are they always in that order? |
| 19:07.12 | jleclanche | or should i store the output somewhere |
| 19:07.16 | tlund | error and then the hash after? |
| 19:07.17 | jleclanche | i cant guarantee that no |
| 19:07.22 | jleclanche | also both are optional |
| 19:07.36 | tlund | then what you need is a proper JSON parser |
| 19:07.37 | tlund | not set or awk |
| 19:07.45 | tlund | or run it twice |
| 19:08.01 | tlund | or write something more complicated than what i wrote :) |
| 19:08.04 | jleclanche | heh |
| 19:08.05 | jleclanche | thanks |
| 19:08.07 | tlund | hang on, let me give it a try :) |
| 19:08.32 | tlund | no, sorry, too tired :( |
| 19:09.27 | Esamynn|work | Semlar: at one point, it looked like Rawr was well on its way to doing exactly what you wanted... but it seems to be a, mostly, dead project now :( |
| 19:10.10 | Semlar | oh well |
| 19:10.28 | Semlar | i'll have to stick to just rolling my face on the keyboard |
| 19:10.57 | Esamynn|work | I suspect rawr still actually works for the models which are still maintained, but it is currently choking on 5.4 gear |
| 19:12.06 | Esamynn|work | it's quite sad really, I got a lot out of that tool back in LK and early Cata |
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| 19:42.41 | jleclanche | tlund: right so im doing this: out=$(curl --silent -F file=@"$f" "$SERVER/api/upload/file") |
| 19:42.45 | jleclanche | but i want to catch if curl fails |
| 19:42.48 | jleclanche | any idea how |
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| 19:44.41 | tlund | jleclanche: in bash, $? contans the exitcode form the last program, so you can either check if $out is empty or if $? is larger than zero |
| 19:44.52 | jleclanche | oh good idea |
| 19:45.15 | Stanzilla | touches jleclanche |
| 19:45.26 | Primer | I usually do this: program || echo "It failed" |
| 19:45.50 | jleclanche | Primer: right but i cant do that with a command subst |
| 19:46.25 | Primer | daniel@daniel ~ $ $(exit 1) || echo "It failed" |
| 19:46.26 | Primer | It failed |
| 19:46.26 | Primer | daniel@daniel ~ $ $(exit 0) || echo "It failed" |
| 19:46.26 | Primer | daniel@daniel ~ $ |
| 19:50.41 | Primer | crickets |
| 19:58.41 | jleclanche | tlund: https://gist.github.com/Adys/6831240 |
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| 21:11.20 | harl | http://derpderpedyderpderp.tumblr.com/post/54052232785 |
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| 21:14.45 | kd3 | and of course we're viewing a twitter post on tumber... |
| 21:14.53 | kd3 | tumblr* |
| 21:38.08 | Hazal | Could anyone give me an example of using the symbol $ in a string.find(string, pattern)? |
| 21:39.01 | Hazal | For pattern matching, if it wasn't obvious :) |
| 21:39.05 | Neffi | Are you trying to match for "$", or are you wondering how it's used? |
| 21:39.18 | Hazal | Wondering how to use it |
| 21:39.28 | Neffi | $ is used to match the end of the string. In other words: |
| 21:39.51 | Torhal | Hazal: http://wowpedia.org/Pattern_matching |
| 21:39.57 | Neffi | ('testing '):match('%a+$') will not match |
| 21:40.15 | Neffi | Because the $ at the end says "there's no other characters AFTER my pattern. This is the end of the string. |
| 21:40.18 | Hazal | I was already looking at that Torhal |
| 21:40.23 | Torhal | Ah, ok. |
| 21:40.25 | Neffi | And because there's a space after the alphanumeric characters, it's not valid |
| 21:40.34 | Neffi | If you had done: |
| 21:40.50 | Neffi | ('testing '):match('%a+%s$') it would match (%s = space) |
| 21:41.24 | Neffi | It just basically anchors your pattern against the end of the string, so you can match exactly what the end looks like, instead of matching something in the middle of the string |
| 21:42.04 | Neffi | One more example that might help: |
| 21:43.39 | Neffi | (' test '):match('%a+') matches just 'test'; (' test '):match('^%a+$') matches nothing |
| 21:45.04 | Hazal | I'm still absolutely clueless about this stuff. If I got a specific string I want to check for at the end of a string. How would I do that? |
| 21:45.17 | Neffi | Give me an example of what you're matching |
| 21:46.15 | Hazal | This is the specific thing I'm trying to do, but I'm clearly doing it wrong :| |
| 21:46.16 | Hazal | string.find(np,petName.."."+$) |
| 21:46.38 | Neffi | Give me an example of what the string would look like |
| 21:46.51 | Neffi | What is np? |
| 21:47.59 | Hazal | np is the string which contains a lot of characters which in some cases should end in the petname and a dot following it |
| 21:48.27 | Neffi | So, it would look like this? "Hazal Neffi Neffispet"? |
| 21:48.35 | Neffi | And pet will always be last? |
| 21:49.08 | Hazal | Yes pet will always be last, followed by a dot. More like: "Hazal Neffi Neffispet." |
| 21:49.30 | Esamynn|work | string.find(np,petName.."%.$") |
| 21:49.32 | Neffi | np:match(petname..'%.$') |
| 21:49.41 | Esamynn|work | wins |
| 21:49.46 | Neffi | mine's better |
| 21:49.52 | Neffi | looks prettier and match > find |
| 21:50.21 | Esamynn|work | pfft, yah, but I wrote mine 10 seconds after reading the original example :P |
| 21:50.24 | Hazal | I think I like find better. It's more simple for me |
| 21:50.46 | Hazal | Plus I like using "" instead of '' |
| 21:51.04 | Neffi | The point of find it to find WHERE in the string something is. Match is to find IF it's in the string, and if so return it |
| 21:51.34 | Dagmar | More fasterer to use |
| 21:51.41 | Hazal | Which is faster? |
| 21:51.42 | TC-Work | ~lart Dagmar |
| 21:51.42 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Dagmar |
| 21:51.50 | Dagmar | er 's because the string isn't interpretapolated |
| 21:51.51 | Esamynn|work | aye, Neffi is right, if you want the actual pet name string, you want to use match, not find |
| 21:51.53 | Neffi | Hazal: they should be both exactly the same |
| 21:51.53 | TC-Work | ~botsnack |
| 21:51.53 | purl | thanks, TC-Work |
| 21:51.59 | Esamynn|work | if you just want to know if it's there, find will work |
| 21:52.15 | Hazal | Ye I only want to know if it is there or not |
| 21:52.19 | Neffi | If one is any faster than the other, then it's such a small difference that it should end up in the margin of error of your CPU scheduler |
| 21:52.43 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: either will work then |
| 21:53.05 | Hazal | Doesn't throw any errors anymore. Thanks a lot guys! |
| 21:53.11 | Neffi | yup |
| 21:53.30 | Neffi | Ugh. Pizza is not a good breakfast |
| 21:53.37 | Esamynn|work | eeww |
| 21:53.46 | Hazal | Pizza is great for every meal of the day |
| 21:54.04 | kd3 | cold pizza is awesome for breakfast |
| 21:54.13 | Neffi | that all depends |
| 21:54.27 | Esamynn|work | there is no accounting for taste |
| 21:54.27 | Neffi | when it's hot and humid and stagnant out, pizza tends to make me feel like shit |
| 21:55.01 | Hazal | I should write your guys names down so I can have a thank you section if/when I release this addon |
| 21:55.02 | Esamynn|work | when it's hot and humid and stagnant out, I feel like shit <-- FTFY |
| 21:55.44 | TC-Work | Cold pizza is awesome anytime. |
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| 21:55.55 | Neffi | ctrl-A is way too close to ctrl-W |
| 21:56.06 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: Lua regex documentation: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 (did someone link it already?) |
| 21:56.32 | Hazal | I have looked at those things but I simply can't wrap my head around it. So I had to ask some of you guys |
| 21:57.03 | Esamynn|work | regular expressions take some work to understand, but are very much worth it |
| 21:57.41 | Dagmar | *kof*patterns*kof* |
| 21:57.54 | kd3 | http://xkcd.com/1171/ |
| 21:58.51 | Esamynn|work | Dagmar: yes, I know Lua's matching is not technically a regex grammar... I don't care right now :P |
| 21:59.22 | Dagmar | I'm just sayin' so someone doesn't come along later and try the fancy shit and lose their soul for nothing. |
| 21:59.23 | Esamynn|work | and yes, kd3, exactly! |
| 21:59.36 | Esamynn|work | ~poke Dagmar |
| 21:59.36 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Dagmar, pokes Dagmar repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:00.42 | Dagmar | applies ([^{}]*{[^{}]+}[^{}])* to Esamynn |
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| 22:02.50 | Hazal | Are you guys mostly self taught or have you studied computer programming? |
| 22:02.58 | Dagmar | A little of both |
| 22:03.09 | Dagmar | Sort of at the same time even |
| 22:03.13 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:03.27 | Dagmar | When I started you either worked for IBM or you were typing stuff in from a magazine. |
| 22:03.29 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 22:03.44 | Hazal | From a magazine :O |
| 22:04.03 | TC-Work | Yea, this colored paper stuff. Not around much anymore. |
| 22:04.04 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compute! |
| 22:04.19 | Grivvel | And they weren't even paper magazines. They were just magazines carved on the stone walls of Dagmar's cave. |
| 22:04.20 | Hazal | Final issue:1994. That's when I was born |
| 22:04.31 | Dagmar | Grivvel: LOL |
| 22:05.04 | Grivvel | 1994? Thanks for making me feel old. |
| 22:05.08 | Dagmar | Grivvel: I got into rather a big row with a lady at the day care center who claimed I was lying about writing programs, because according to her there was no way a child could do such a thing |
| 22:07.47 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:08.43 | Neffi | I think nowadays you're best off studying it by yourself before getting into it career-wise |
| 22:09.06 | Grivvel | Dagmar: To be fair, you usually can't trust what a daycare-aged child says. Either that or a kid in the daycare I went to really *was* an alien in disguise. |
| 22:09.24 | Neffi | I've got 2.5 years of college down towards a Comp Sci degree, and the only people in my classes who've passed were people who get into it before going to college |
| 22:09.31 | Neffi | It also makes it a lot easier |
| 22:09.39 | Dagmar | Grivve: You can when they're toting around a bunch of annotated greenbar printout and have a two-inch thick reference guide in their backpack |
| 22:09.45 | Dagmar | Bitch took it away from me for "pretending" |
| 22:09.52 | Dagmar | I went *nuclear* |
| 22:10.08 | Neffi | It's kind of telling when you look at the grades of the class. You've got people who came into college already knowing it getting As, and people who came into college not knowing it getting Ds and Fs. There's no in between. |
| 22:10.35 | Dagmar | That's because either you are smart enough to figure out the basics or you're a dumb SOB, as far as I can tell |
| 22:10.47 | Neffi | I wouldn't say spo |
| 22:10.57 | Dagmar | You look at the code those people write and say that |
| 22:10.58 | Neffi | I've seen some genuinely smart people fail to grasp it |
| 22:11.07 | Neffi | Programming requires a certain mold of mind |
| 22:11.08 | Grivvel | Neffi: That's not always true though. There were definitely some A students in my class who had never programmed before. They just really spent the time to learn it. |
| 22:11.10 | Dagmar | I doubt they're getting D's because of just having some trouble |
| 22:11.25 | Neffi | Grivvel: Not always true, but it was true in every single one of my classes. |
| 22:11.47 | Dagmar | I remmeber trying to help some girls in high school with BASIC. THey had problems grasping the idea that the computer executed the instructions _in order by the number on the left_ |
| 22:12.01 | Neffi | I'm not saying it's a universal truth, but it's definitely indicative of a problem: programming requires a somewhat different way of thinking about problems, and you're best off if you grasp that BEFORE college. |
| 22:12.09 | Dagmar | So their idea of tidying up was to move all the comments to the top, and all of "the math" to the bottom, with the print statements in the middle |
| 22:12.26 | Dagmar | It requires a grasp of basic linear thinking. |
| 22:12.26 | Hazal | Hehe. That's cute |
| 22:12.41 | Dagmar | Some people have it, and some people vote republican. |
| 22:12.49 | Neffi | Now that's not fair |
| 22:13.03 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 22:13.52 | Hazal | Not everyone lives in the USA :P |
| 22:14.05 | Neffi | The core tennets of republicanism are not what the modern GOP claim allegiance to. Nor were the original tennets of the democratic party in line with what they believe today. |
| 22:14.30 | Grivvel | I'm pretty sure other countries don't exist. It's just a conspiracy by the government. Like the moon landing. Or Idaho. |
| 22:14.34 | Neffi | Don't apply stupidity to these labels without understanding their history and that not everybody who chooses to live by them is like the rest |
| 22:14.43 | Dagmar | Well, at the moment the republican fan base appear to be winning the race to the bottom of the gene pool. |
| 22:14.56 | Neffi | Fan base, yeah |
| 22:15.12 | Neffi | But there are legitimately intelligent republicans out there that realize most of the GOP is fucking stupid |
| 22:15.56 | Neffi | People like Bill O'Reilly and many outspoken GOP politicians are a huge embarassment to that class of republicans that upholds the core values without the modern day fluff |
| 22:16.44 | Neffi | I'm not one of them, but I count one or two brilliant friend's amongst them, and I'll defend their "republicanism" because they're actually smart individuals |
| 22:18.01 | Dagmar | So, you might want to consider that a statement of "stupid people vote republican" does not in any way imply "all stupid people vote republican", or "all republicans are stupid", nor "I'm a little teapot." |
| 22:18.10 | Dagmar | I'm just sayn' |
| 22:18.23 | Dagmar | Keep your little spoons to yourself. |
| 22:18.26 | Hazal | Why do people even bother discussing which party is the best when there are only two "options" due to the...ehrm bad political system? |
| 22:18.57 | Dagmar | Hazal: Because we're not allowed to hunt free range politicians for food when we're hungry. |
| 22:19.10 | Neffi | Dagmar: It's still inaccurate, because not all stupid people vote republican |
| 22:19.14 | Neffi | Many of them vote democrat |
| 22:19.30 | Dagmar | neffi... for pete's sake |
| 22:19.32 | Neffi | The distribution of stupid people tends to be relatively constant |
| 22:19.35 | Dagmar | *eyepinch* |
| 22:20.07 | Dagmar | I actually included "all stupid people vote republican" in the list of things not being said |
| 22:20.16 | Neffi | I tend towards voting democrat, but to make broad sweeping statement is wrong |
| 22:20.23 | Dagmar | lol |
| 22:20.40 | Neffi | Then in that case your statement was meaningless |
| 22:20.50 | Grivvel | Hazal: To be fair, it isn't always better to have many political parties. A lot of countries have issues where single-issue parties have inordinate sway in the government because the two sides of other issues need the small party to vote their way |
| 22:21.13 | Neffi | Because you've essentially said "at least 1 stupid person" has voted republican. That or you fess up that you meant to imply that republicans are stupid |
| 22:21.35 | Hazal | That's entirely true Grivvel but I'd prefer that over only having two options |
| 22:22.27 | Hazal | By the way I apologize if my English isn't very great. I do not live in an English speaking country |
| 22:22.56 | Neffi | No need to apologize. I gather a lot of folks here don't live in an English-native country, |
| 22:23.18 | Neffi | And we don't count many grammar nazis amongst us. I make grammatical mistakes all the time. |
| 22:26.14 | Esamynn|work | throws a 418 code at Dagmar |
| 22:30.40 | zenzelezz | oh, the number of times I've felt like writing "exception" on a piece of paper and tossing it at a colleague |
| 22:31.37 | Neffi | You should try it. I bet they won't catch it |
| 22:31.41 | Neffi | har de har har |
| 22:31.42 | Hazal | Is there a way to avoid print(something) which contains text which would convert into icons when printed? (I want the pure string without icons showing) |
| 22:32.34 | Esamynn|work | not built in, afaik |
| 22:32.49 | Neffi | Maybe if you play with cvars |
| 22:33.14 | Neffi | Without knowing the cvars offhand, her'es an example: SetCVar("icons",0) print(something) SetCVar("icons",1) |
| 22:33.14 | Esamynn|work | erk, better to just scan for them an delimit |
| 22:33.29 | Esamynn|work | s/an /and / |
| 22:33.37 | Neffi | Or rather the better way is to restore the cvar, instead of just setting it to 1 |
| 22:33.49 | Neffi | lol purl |
| 22:33.54 | Esamynn|work | ~smack Neffi |
| 22:33.55 | purl | ACTION smacks Neffi upside the head. |
| 22:34.00 | Neffi | ouch |
| 22:34.15 | Esamynn|work | that's for suggesting a global solution to a local problem |
| 22:34.32 | Neffi | That's not really a global solution |
| 22:34.39 | Esamynn|work | yes, yes it is |
| 22:34.56 | Neffi | local last=GetCVar"icons"; SetCVar("icons",0); print(something); SetCVar("icons",last) |
| 22:35.01 | Neffi | your change would be strictly local |
| 22:35.27 | Esamynn|work | you're still make a global change... if only temporarily |
| 22:35.35 | Esamynn|work | and if it get's killed by the runtime limitation? |
| 22:35.45 | Esamynn|work | s/get's/gets/ |
| 22:35.47 | Neffi | runtime limitation? |
| 22:36.02 | Esamynn|work | execution time limit? |
| 22:36.10 | Neffi | I guess that's a vague possibility |
| 22:36.16 | Esamynn|work | unlikely I know |
| 22:36.18 | Esamynn|work | but. |
| 22:36.20 | Grivvel | Also, some CVars seem to have side-effects. I don't think there's any way for us to know which do and which don't |
| 22:36.26 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 22:36.30 | Neffi | Then we have a concrete reason to bitch at the WoW devs to lift the limit |
| 22:36.55 | Esamynn|work | that time limit is just another example of the stupid few spoiling it for the rest of us |
| 22:37.34 | Maldivia | why not just escape the |T in the string, so it doesn't get parsed as an icon? |
| 22:38.02 | Esamynn|work | that was essentially my suggestion |
| 22:38.16 | Esamynn|work | or better yet, just delimit all pipe characters and be done with it |
| 22:38.30 | Grivvel | noTextures = string.gsub(str, "|T.-|t", "") |
| 22:38.39 | Esamynn|work | though I think you can get certain icons with something like {start} |
| 22:38.50 | Esamynn|work | s/{start}/{star}/ |
| 22:39.19 | Grivvel | I think the {star} stuff is handled in chat code, not something that would be called if you were just calling print() |
| 22:39.24 | Hazal | That's not really an issue for me though Esamynn |
| 22:39.33 | Esamynn|work | Grivvel: probably, I can't remember |
| 22:39.54 | Maldivia | Esamynn: those are only parsed from the CHAT_MSG_* events |
| 22:40.01 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: easiest way to make sure you see the raw string is to just change all | to || |
| 22:40.24 | Hazal | I just did what Grivvel suggested, and it seems to work |
| 22:40.28 | Esamynn|work | since all of the special stuff uses the pipe character as the start of the markers |
| 22:40.36 | Maldivia | or replace with \124 |
| 22:41.09 | Esamynn|work | or that |
| 22:41.19 | Esamynn|work | either will work |
| 22:42.42 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: the advantage of changing all pipe characters is you'll see the raw text for links as well, like item links |
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| 22:43.08 | Esamynn|work | and strip out colour formatting, etc. |
| 22:43.32 | p3lim | Please explain the logic of this error: http://imgur.com/RkGvgTa |
| 22:43.38 | p3lim | Fucking microsoft |
| 22:43.51 | Hazal | Another question: When creating frames using hidden frames as parents, does it alter the position of which the newly created frame is placed? |
| 22:43.51 | Esamynn|work | p3lim: you expect logic? |
| 22:43.57 | Esamynn|work | you foolish, foolish mortal |
| 22:44.02 | p3lim | :/ |
| 22:44.19 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: no, parent has no effect on frame position |
| 22:44.35 | Esamynn|work | not by itself, anyways |
| 22:44.59 | Maldivia | hmm... when was {g1} etc added? |
| 22:45.16 | Esamynn|work | what's that? |
| 22:45.23 | Maldivia | expands to all members of group 1 in a raid |
| 22:45.27 | Maldivia | g1..g8 |
| 22:45.35 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 22:45.41 | Maldivia | class-colored names |
| 22:46.02 | Hazal | Damn I didn't even think about what I asked. I meant when using the SetPoint, and you use a frame as parent. Is it affected by the parent frame being hidden? |
| 22:46.20 | Esamynn|work | it CAN be |
| 22:46.52 | Esamynn|work | if the frame has never been shown, it's rectangle may never have been computed |
| 22:47.01 | Esamynn|work | s/it's/its/ |
| 22:47.31 | Hazal | Because first when I was messing with frames in my addon I was doing it while the parent frame was hidden and it was really hard for me to understand why it wouldn't align as I expected |
| 22:47.39 | Esamynn|work | I can't recall if :SetPoint()'ing forces that computation |
| 22:49.13 | Hazal | Based on my experience I think it doesn't force that computation. |
| 22:50.29 | Esamynn|work | the exact details may be on wowpedia somewhere |
| 22:52.13 | Maldivia | Esamynn: OK, g1..g8 was apparently added in 4.3 :P |
| 22:53.03 | Hazal | What is that Maldivia? |
| 22:54.14 | Ackis | 20 mg of ativan is bad |
| 22:54.29 | Ackis | Torhal: ^ |
| 22:54.47 | Ackis | also is there an easy way of doing this: http://www.wowace.com/paste/u8we53rtl17y4cfm/ |
| 22:55.22 | Maldivia | Hazal: like {star} will be expanded to the icon in text, {g1} will be expanded to the 5 members of group 1 in a raid (or your group if in a party) |
| 22:55.41 | Hazal | Ohh that's cool |
| 22:56.33 | Esamynn|work | Ackis: wtf are you trying to do? |
| 22:57.28 | Gnarfoz | {rt1} so much better than {star} |
| 22:57.38 | Gnarfoz | because not locale dependent :D |
| 22:57.53 | Gnarfoz | (also takes up less space in macros) |
| 22:58.11 | Esamynn|work | last I knew, there wasn't a locale independent version of those |
| 22:58.18 | Esamynn|work | though I haven't looked at the chat code in years |
| 22:58.44 | Gnarfoz | they've been there for years, though |
| 22:58.54 | Gnarfoz | ("years" is so nice, can mean anything :D) |
| 22:59.08 | Hazal | :D |
| 22:59.35 | Esamynn|work | let me put it this way Gnarfoz, I've had a user on wowi since Jan 2005 |
| 22:59.44 | Gnarfoz | that's nice, I know who you are |
| 22:59.51 | Gnarfoz | why do you feel it necessary to flout it |
| 23:00.01 | Esamynn|work | wasn't meaning to |
| 23:00.11 | Esamynn|work | I was meaning to put the "years" into context :P |
| 23:00.31 | Hazal | I started playing WoW when I was about 12 yrs old |
| 23:00.42 | Esamynn|work | now feels old |
| 23:00.54 | Esamynn|work | DON'T DO THAT! |
| 23:00.55 | Gnarfoz | well, yeah, I assumed you meant you last looked at the code when {star} was in, but {rt1} wasn't |
| 23:00.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:00.57 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 23:01.10 | Esamynn|work | Gnarfoz: pretty much, yes |
| 23:01.20 | Gnarfoz | (which must have been no earlier than 2006) |
| 23:01.32 | Esamynn|work | my apologies for coming off as egotisical |
| 23:01.53 | Esamynn|work | s/egotisical/egotistical/ |
| 23:01.55 | Gnarfoz | don't worry :D |
| 23:02.36 | Gnarfoz | cleans out his imgur account |
| 23:02.44 | Esamynn|work | I prefer to call myself a "power hungry megalomaniac" =D |
| 23:03.05 | Hazal | Now I have to look up what megalomaniac means |
| 23:04.33 | TC-Work | I means fun |
| 23:04.37 | TC-Work | in the right context |
| 23:04.44 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 23:06.22 | TC-Work | Relax Esamynn|work you are old. So are most of the regulars. |
| 23:06.50 | Esamynn|work | I'm not yet 30,... therefore.. not old! |
| 23:07.02 | TC-Work | That makes me old then |
| 23:07.18 | Iriel | Maybe "seasoned"? |
| 23:07.32 | Esamynn|work | (note, I did NOT say being 30 means you're old) |
| 23:07.36 | TC-Work | Old spice? |
| 23:07.42 | Hazal | I'm not yet 20 therefore I'm not old either |
| 23:08.08 | Esamynn|work | careful... we corrupt youngons like you :P |
| 23:08.17 | Hazal | I fear nothing |
| 23:08.27 | Esamynn|work | no, teenagers never go |
| 23:08.29 | Esamynn|work | do* |
| 23:09.34 | Hazal | Would this be the correct time to use the absurdly annoying abbreviation for "You only live once"? |
| 23:09.48 | TC-Work | YOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 23:10.00 | TC-Work | No, not really. |
| 23:10.01 | Esamynn|work | ~fishslap TC-Work |
| 23:10.01 | purl | ACTION slaps TC-Work up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:10.10 | TC-Work | ~whaleparry Esamynn|work |
| 23:10.10 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Esamynn|work's attacks. |
| 23:10.19 | Esamynn|work | ~whalenuke TC-Work |
| 23:10.19 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around TC-Work with his mind powers. |
| 23:10.30 | TC-Work | ~whaleshield |
| 23:10.30 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield tc-work from the blast. |
| 23:10.37 | Hazal | What kind of commands does this purl bot have :O |
| 23:10.43 | Esamynn|work | ~frag TC-Work |
| 23:10.43 | purl | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at TC-Work |
| 23:10.47 | TC-Work | ~dodge |
| 23:10.47 | purl | ACTION dodges! |
| 23:10.50 | TC-Work | damnit |
| 23:10.53 | TC-Work | ~dodge Esamynn|work |
| 23:10.53 | purl | at the last second tc-work dodges out of the way of Esamynn|work's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 23:11.04 | Esamynn|work | Hazal:that's for us to know, and you to find out :) |
| 23:11.19 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: I believe I win |
| 23:11.20 | Primer | What about 40? |
| 23:11.22 | TC-Work | you can do ~help which should pm you. |
| 23:11.31 | Hazal | ~help |
| 23:11.32 | Primer | or...45? :( |
| 23:11.43 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: This time..... |
| 23:11.58 | TC-Work | I can never remember which command requires an arg. |
| 23:13.35 | Iriel | Primer: what /about/ 40? |
| 23:13.49 | Primer | <Esamynn|work> (note, I did NOT say being 30 means you're old) |
| 23:14.01 | Iriel | old is generally relative anyway |
| 23:14.05 | Primer | indeed |
| 23:14.08 | Iriel | I think in this place 40 is old_er_. |
| 23:14.17 | Hazal | Yes. In my head old is anything above my age. |
| 23:14.37 | Esamynn|work | typical |
| 23:14.41 | Iriel | But I dont consider myself _old_ per se, and i'm over 40 |
| 23:16.33 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/SzAC0YB.jpg heh |
| 23:17.09 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 23:17.11 | Neffi | Hmm. I pegged you at late 20s - early 30s, Iriel |
| 23:17.16 | Primer | Iriel: nice to know |
| 23:17.32 | Primer | Iriel: I believe you can infer my age from my previous statements |
| 23:17.38 | Primer | well, question |
| 23:17.43 | Iriel | Neffi: Hopefully for good rather than bad reasons 8-) |
| 23:17.49 | Iriel | Primer: I'm guessing so. |
| 23:17.56 | Neffi | Well good |
| 23:17.57 | Esamynn|work | nods |
| 23:18.12 | Neffi | You don't come off as even vaguely immature, but you don't come off as somebody that could be my father |
| 23:18.39 | Esamynn|work | yet another common definition of old... parental units =D |
| 23:19.03 | Iriel | We have cats, I suppose they dont count |
| 23:19.07 | Hazal | When could somebody be your father? |
| 23:19.13 | Hazal | Like how much older? |
| 23:19.20 | Neffi | I think my greatest measure of that facet of age is how well somebody can handle technology |
| 23:19.25 | Iriel | I suspect it becomes "unstrange" at about 20ish years |
| 23:19.39 | Neffi | It's weird to think people my father's age AREN'T entirely incompetent at using computing devices |
| 23:19.45 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: technically? (I hope you can answer that question yourself :P ) |
| 23:19.58 | Iriel | I dunno, I think the technology thing is as much the context of upbringing than age |
| 23:20.03 | Neffi | Hazal: Well Iriel would be cutting ti close, since I'm 23 |
| 23:20.08 | Primer | The funny part is, even though I'm a father of 2 (14 and 10) and have been married for 17 years....I still feel like a kid. I guess that never changes. |
| 23:20.44 | Iriel | I plan to hang onto "youthful curiosity and irreverance" as long as I can |
| 23:20.49 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:20.58 | Neffi | Lucky SOB |
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| 23:21.02 | Neffi | I've already started to lose that |
| 23:21.19 | Esamynn|work | and whose falt is that? :P |
| 23:21.22 | Esamynn|work | fault* |
| 23:21.25 | Neffi | I've gotten pretty damn cynical over the last couple years |
| 23:21.29 | Esamynn|work | damnit, I cannot type today |
| 23:21.30 | Iriel | On the other hand, bitter cynicysm sunk in long ago |
| 23:21.39 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 23:21.39 | Neffi | I don't point fingers, but I've got an idea, and I wouldn't call it my fault |
| 23:21.40 | Iriel | They're not mutually incompatible, however |
| 23:21.46 | Neffi | Life circumstances haven't been typical for me |
| 23:21.47 | Hazal | Esamynn|work: If we're talking biologically being able to become a father, it doesn't much more than 12 years of age if not less. |
| 23:21.50 | Esamynn|work | I would agree with that Iriel |
| 23:21.53 | Primer | meh, I was cynical when young. Nothing's changed there |
| 23:21.57 | Esamynn|work | Hazal: I was teasing |
| 23:22.40 | Neffi | I've also found myself pretty out of touch with teenagers today, and it bothers me that that's happening at such a young age |
| 23:22.54 | Neffi | I'd like to say teenagers today are at fault, but I know better |
| 23:23.01 | Iriel | I was out of touch with most teenagers when I WAS a teenager |
| 23:23.05 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:23.06 | Iriel | so maybe I have an easier time of that |
| 23:23.07 | Hazal | What makes you feel out of touch? |
| 23:23.14 | TC-Work | Hah, I was needling my boss as he walked by and he was all "Don't" and I said "Why" and he said "Because then things might fall" and pushed headphones off my shelf onto my desk then walked away. |
| 23:23.17 | Neffi | Hazal: They all seem so damned stupid |
| 23:23.21 | Hazal | Thanks |
| 23:23.22 | Neffi | And I don't mean in a typical way |
| 23:23.28 | Neffi | Hell there are exceptions |
| 23:23.43 | Neffi | I respect my little brother who's 15. He's fucking brilliant. |
| 23:23.54 | Ackis | Esamynn|work: I'm trying to have a "cascade of words" |
| 23:24.03 | Esamynn|work | ahh |
| 23:24.04 | Iriel | The wow ui community helped restore some of my faith in the youth |
| 23:24.07 | Iriel | grins. |
| 23:24.10 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:24.11 | Hazal | But I agree. There are way too many stupid teenagers in the world |
| 23:24.26 | Iriel | The wow forums, however, they help limit my faith in humanity in general |
| 23:24.45 | Neffi | I think it's the bell curve in general. There are a lot of stupid PEOPLE, be them any age. The immaturity of youth probably helps to reinforce some disconnect. |
| 23:24.50 | Ackis | Esamynn|work: but I don't like how they're using marquee, which isn't a stanard for html5 right? |
| 23:25.13 | Esamynn|work | oh, jeez, I remember my highschool graduating class... 30 or 40 A students.. 100+ C level students... and yet I'm still surprised when I come face to face with the stupidity of the world |
| 23:25.26 | Neffi | Meh |
| 23:25.29 | Esamynn|work | personally, I can't look at the wow forums anymore |
| 23:25.32 | Neffi | I was a straight F student |
| 23:25.42 | Esamynn|work | Signal to Noise ratio is in the toilet |
| 23:25.51 | Neffi | I only ever had one class I was vaguely interested in, because that math teacher knew how to teach |
| 23:25.52 | Babelfish | Given the fact that C is supposed to be average, that's hardly surprising.. |
| 23:26.33 | Esamynn|work | yes, but Babelfish, there were basicaly no B students in my year |
| 23:26.36 | Babelfish | If everyone was getting A's, it wouldn't mean the students were all smart, it would mean the grading system is broken. |
| 23:26.49 | Hazal | I agree with Babelfish |
| 23:27.00 | Esamynn|work | yup yup |
| 23:27.06 | Neffi | I tend to disagree |
| 23:27.15 | Neffi | I think a lot more people can aspire to As and Bs than do |
| 23:27.22 | Neffi | It just takes a remarkable teacher to inspire that |
| 23:27.41 | Neffi | I think it's indicative of the quality of schooling in general |
| 23:27.42 | Iriel | It depends what the grading system was trying to do.. pure "grading' (i.e. ranking by ability) then yes, broken. Measurement against a fixed baseline on the other hand, all A's would be possible. |
| 23:28.04 | Hazal | "can" Is the key word here. Even if you study a lot at home and really concentrate on school work you shouldn't have that much trouble with getting high grades |
| 23:28.30 | Iriel | I tended to be A's in the topics I liked, B's in those I didn't like but the teachers were good, C's in "meh", and D in the ones where the topic was uninteresting and the teacher doubly so. |
| 23:28.32 | Neffi | I think most students approach studying and learning incorrectly |
| 23:29.02 | Neffi | I don't think I'm an exceptional example because I never had to study to ace tests (despite never doing schoolwork). I think I'm just an example of somebody who approached learning the correct way |
| 23:29.19 | Iriel | Then once we hit the point where we could ditch topics we didn't care about, the non-A's vanished (well, until my first year at university but we wont talk about that other than to say I recovered and that university Math was not for me) |
| 23:29.38 | Babelfish | Most students, at least in grade school, don't care enough to approach studying and learning correctly. |
| 23:30.02 | Esamynn|work | the end of my first year calculus got into imaginary numbers.... *shudder* |
| 23:30.05 | Neffi | Because the subject matter is rarely interesting and often vaguely relevant |
| 23:30.19 | Iriel | Imaginary numbers are fun! |
| 23:30.21 | Neffi | I think the concept of drilling facts is the wrong way to go about things |
| 23:30.32 | Iriel | Memorizing theorems and proofs is NOT fun. |
| 23:30.35 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:30.42 | Hazal | ^ |
| 23:30.46 | Babelfish | ^ |
| 23:31.05 | Iriel | Formal languages and parser design is FUN! |
| 23:31.11 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 23:31.12 | Iriel | Graph theory is sort of fun |
| 23:31.13 | Iriel | ish |
| 23:31.19 | Neffi | now there Iriel |
| 23:31.22 | Neffi | let's not take that too far |
| 23:31.24 | Neffi | ;) |
| 23:31.27 | Iriel | (I had a crappy guest lecturer and had to learn from the textbook) |
| 23:31.46 | Esamynn|work | Distributed system design... FUN! =D |
| 23:31.47 | Iriel | (which was written by the normal lecturer who picked my year to have a sabbatical) |
| 23:31.50 | Iriel | Yes indeed. |
| 23:32.11 | Iriel | that sort of fun compensates for a lot of grrrr during an average work week. |
| 23:32.12 | Iriel | in theory. |
| 23:33.00 | Esamynn|work | honestly, I still think the compilers class I took at university was the best class I took during my degree |
| 23:33.01 | Iriel | Speaking of distributed systems, urbit anyone? |
| 23:33.27 | Esamynn|work | never heard of it |
| 23:33.28 | Babelfish | I think Assembly was my favorite class. >.> I don't think any of my classmates agreed. |
| 23:33.39 | Iriel | Esamynn|work: Prepare to have your mind blown |
| 23:33.41 | Iriel | Esamynn|work: http://www.urbit.org/ |
| 23:33.50 | Iriel | I still dont know if it's intended to be a joke. |
| 23:34.17 | Esamynn|work | adds that to the reading list |
| 23:34.24 | Neffi | Babelfish: Haven't taken ASM class yet, but I heard outright horror stories from every single comp sci major I talked to. I went and spoke with the only professor for the course and reviewed the material. I think I'll end up with your outlook. |
| 23:35.04 | Iriel | ""Moreover, this VM is formally isolated from your actual OS. And everything that uses it. Nothing in Urbit can request system services or call existing libraries. So Urbit is not only badly designed and fraudulently hyped. It’s also profoundly useless."" |
| 23:35.08 | Esamynn|work | I found my time spent in assembly land to be very straightforward |
| 23:35.29 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 23:35.41 | Neffi | It seems like a whole lot of good 'ol fashioned logic |
| 23:36.01 | Esamynn|work | not that I've EVER done anything remotely complicated in assembly |
| 23:36.05 | Neffi | I still havent gotten around to teaching myself assembly, but I can't wait until I have the time to do so |
| 23:36.16 | Iriel | I started assembly when it was still "easy" |
| 23:36.22 | Iriel | 8 bit, slowish clocks |
| 23:36.29 | Iriel | I think that helped. |
| 23:36.40 | Esamynn|work | I feel I learned enough to have an understanding of what is going on "under the hood" |
| 23:37.05 | Iriel | I used to try and eliminate clock cycles from my assembly programs when I was supposed to be studying history |
| 23:37.10 | Iriel | which probably also contributed to the D |
| 23:37.14 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 23:37.30 | Babelfish | I'll probably never use assembly again, but I think it's good for programmers to go through it at least once, get a better understanding of how things work without a dozen layers of abstraction. |
| 23:37.41 | Esamynn|work | I did assembly on an emulated chip, and intentionally "slow" |
| 23:38.22 | Hazal | I have a raspberry Pi I have never really played with :| Maybe I should see if I can come up with a project that I would enjoy |
| 23:38.24 | Iriel | If you REALLY want to have a fun time |
| 23:38.39 | Iriel | find a technical paper on an early computer and simulate it at the physical level |
| 23:38.49 | Iriel | That was one of my 3rd year assignments and it was surprisingly satisfying |
| 23:39.35 | Iriel | Also, since I learned 6502 assembly first I find this project awesome and depressing at the same time: http://www.visual6502.org/welcome.html |
| 23:39.58 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 23:40.40 | Neffi | Oh, perhaps you guys can give me a recommended starting point |
| 23:41.04 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: first click the start button... |
| 23:41.13 | Neffi | I want to create an electronic drum pad which uses input from sensors and models the strike of a drum at an arbitrary point according to the physics of a bunch of different styles of drums |
| 23:41.33 | Neffi | So minute changes in how and where its hit feel realistic. And drums can even be intentionally out-of-tune and sound correct |
| 23:41.35 | Primer | hehe 6502...wasn't that Apple II? |
| 23:41.50 | Iriel | Primer: BBC Micro, for me. but yes, also Apple II, amongst others |
| 23:41.52 | Neffi | Any recommendation on some kits to start learning how to use sensors? |
| 23:42.00 | Primer | I remember trying to teach myself that in HS with a book I found in the library |
| 23:42.04 | Primer | I didn't get too far |
| 23:42.07 | Iriel | Neffi: I wonder if Shirik is the best source of such suggestions |
| 23:42.15 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:42.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrow|tablet (~arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 23:42.23 | Shirik | what suggestion |
| 23:42.27 | Iriel | Shirik: see Neffi's question |
| 23:42.31 | Iriel | About sensors 'n stuff |
| 23:43.05 | Shirik | well as far as microcontrollers go, I really thought the Boarduino was extremely low price and very versatile |
| 23:43.17 | Shirik | We used it to control every sensor on a complex robot at my school |
| 23:43.35 | Shirik | but it doesn't have any "sensors" on its own. You would need to buy them |
| 23:43.49 | Neffi | I don't have enough experience to know a solid starting point |
| 23:43.50 | Shirik | but really each sensor is just going to be something like an electrical signal, and interfacing with them is easy |
| 23:44.20 | Shirik | http://www.adafruit.com/products/72 |
| 23:44.23 | Shirik | It fits right on a breadboard |
| 23:44.25 | Shirik | so it's perfect |
| 23:45.13 | Neffi | I'll look into picking a few things up soon |
| 23:45.23 | Neffi | But things like the various types of sensors, I'm pretty ignorant about |
| 23:45.42 | Shirik | tbh unless you're looking for a solution that you're going to sell thousnads of |
| 23:45.45 | Shirik | it rarely makes a difference |
| 23:45.49 | Iriel | Adafruit has a whole bunch of sensors |
| 23:45.54 | Iriel | maybe check out their community? |
| 23:45.58 | Iriel | they have forums and stuff |
| 23:45.58 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:46.01 | Iriel | I'm sure folks will help |
| 23:46.06 | Arrow|tablet | Its somebody's birthday so instead of playing D&D we are doing shots of Jameson, this is going to be interesting |
| 23:46.18 | Shirik | um |
| 23:46.19 | Neffi | I'm looking for a solution that would build a solid enough prototype that using it as a real drumset and making recordings would be feasible |
| 23:46.22 | Shirik | why are these things mutually exclusive Arrowmaster? |
| 23:46.25 | Shirik | Arrow|tablet |
| 23:46.43 | Shirik | Neffi: The thing is, that's actually easy |
| 23:46.44 | Iriel | Neffi: since you're just getting started i'd recommend you (a) make something work, no matter how robust it is |
| 23:46.45 | Neffi | Branching out from there into a commercial product is something I wouldn't mind eventually doing, but I'm looking to learn to prototype the design to start out |
| 23:46.54 | Iriel | then (b) make it "productionized" |
| 23:46.56 | Arrow|tablet | Other people not in the D&D group are coming over |
| 23:46.56 | Shirik | it's the mass production thing that's harder :) |
| 23:47.08 | Iriel | because often once you've figured out the problem, the other parts are easy |
| 23:47.12 | Shirik | it's very easy to tweak thresholds, etc., to make it work |
| 23:47.29 | TC-Work | Kinda sounds like you want to recreate the drum recorder from the movie drumline |
| 23:47.40 | Shirik | I've wanted to do that forever |
| 23:47.43 | TC-Work | (assuming that actualy exists) |
| 23:47.46 | Neffi | I'm mostly just fascinated by drums. I love the different sounds you can get out of them. Building a system that can create combinations of sounds not even possible with commodity hardware would be awesome |
| 23:48.04 | Shirik | problem is things like that exist for MIDI |
| 23:48.18 | Shirik | and they always detect miniscule discrepancies because people can't play perfectly |
| 23:48.23 | Neffi | TC-Work: Never seen the movie, but some electronic drum kits are fairly advanced. But I don't know of any that models the physics of drums in realtime. |
| 23:48.34 | Shirik | so you either get ugly looking music, or you get incorrectly dumbed down music |
| 23:49.29 | Iriel | Neffi: Roland claim to, but hard to tell with marketing materials: http://www.roland.com/V-Drums/topics/inside/supernatural/ |
| 23:49.34 | Neffi | Well the point of this project would be able to have supplementary pads on a real drumset, for adding different types of drums |
| 23:49.44 | TC-Work | 1v1 battle |
| 23:49.48 | TC-Work | bah |
| 23:49.51 | Iriel | Shirik: And of course MIDI is so awesome from an electrical design perspective |
| 23:50.04 | Neffi | Eg, Danny Carey depends on pads that cost a few thousand to get tablas and tribal drums in hit kit without taking up too much space |
| 23:50.23 | Iriel | (it's nicely simple from a software perspective on the other hand, if limited) |
| 23:51.27 | Neffi | I've seen Roland pads before. Never seen the newer shit. Maybe these are what I'm thinking of. |
| 23:51.50 | Neffi | Still gonna invest in making them myself, because it'd be a fun project and down the line it'd be awesome to say my drumset incorporates pads I made myself |
| 23:53.17 | Iriel | And the best way to learn anything (for me, anyway) is to have something you want to DO with it/ |
| 23:53.30 | Neffi | I wholeheartedly agree |
| 23:53.32 | Iriel | So that's a worthy plan no matter what - you'lllearn SOMETHING |
| 23:53.41 | Iriel | even if it's "That was a stupid idea I hope I never have again" |
