| 00:07.09 | Neffi | 4770K all day |
| 00:07.29 | Neffi | I said it before. The core got some really nice improvements in Haswell |
| 00:08.13 | Neffi | Unless you're doing shit like CAD work, constantly doing encoding or multitasking between large images/3D work and shit, the extra cores from the Ivy Bridge Extreme chip aren't doing you much good |
| 00:09.20 | Neffi | Meanwhile, the 4770k's improvements actually help out a lot with that. It's got additional execution lanes and resources, better dispatcher and a bunch of other shit. Its hyper threading should be significantly better than Ivy Bridge. |
| 00:09.41 | Neffi | So if you do that stuff along with gaming, the 4770k come in a close second anyway |
| 00:10.49 | Neffi | Its got an extra branch unit also, so branch-heavy code like games will be better off |
| 00:11.30 | Neffi | IMO if you can afford a premium machine for doing professional work, you're better off going dual Xeon instead of going with an "extreme edition" |
| 00:12.04 | Neffi | The Ivy Bridge Extreme doesn't make sense to me in the vast majority of cases. You either go with a Haswell, or you go with a good Xeon setup where you can also have ECC RAM and other useful shit. |
| 00:12.35 | Neffi | Not to mention Haswell is going to win hands down for gaming and general use anyway |
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| 00:16.23 | Neffi | I keep a wish list on Newegg that I pick through whenever I'm really bored, and I do a lot of research on the merits of different parts. When the Extreme chips got released I did a lot of reading on Ivy Bridge and Haswell; their design and all, and after going through a lot of reading material the choice was pretty obvious to me. I'd still stick with Haswell no matter how much money I had |
| 00:17.50 | Neffi | (And my intended goal for that machine would be not just gaming, but also doing graphics work, 3D modeling and other stuff necessary for game design. I'd still pick a Haswell) |
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| 00:31.50 | Neffi | Amarande: If you're building a wish list, might as well dream big: http://i.imgur.com/se9ekg3.png |
| 00:32.15 | Neffi | Nothing on that list was chosen by coincidence. I even researched the best thermal paste. |
| 00:39.25 | Dagmar | That's fairly OCD-ish. |
| 00:39.48 | Neffi | I like computer hardware like people like muscle cars |
| 00:40.07 | Dagmar | YEah so do I but I usually just order some Arctic Silver and call it good |
| 00:43.03 | Neffi | Haswell's integrated VRM adds a bit of heat. People report more impressive numbers with that paste over AS5 than I thought |
| 00:43.33 | Neffi | I mean AS5's a great go-to paste, but the difference with some of the newer pastes is growing |
| 00:50.31 | pompy | Arrowmaster: i was gunna ask you the other day if GTA isn't your kinda game,. but i see you started it today. |
| 00:51.58 | TC-Work | Neffi: How long ago was that list made? |
| 00:52.36 | Neffi | That's my current list. I come back to it every couple weeks or so when I'm really bored. |
| 00:52.41 | Neffi | I think my latest changes are a week old |
| 00:53.14 | Neffi | In fact my latest changes were the day after Ivy Bridge Extreme was released |
| 00:54.20 | TC-Work | Supposedly a 690 Scales better than a Titan for SLI |
| 00:54.42 | Neffi | The problem is a 690 in SLI would be 4 GPUs |
| 00:54.51 | TC-Work | That is a problem why? |
| 00:55.03 | Neffi | Read Tech Report's Inside the Second articles. |
| 00:55.13 | Neffi | The 2 of them, but the first is more important |
| 00:55.35 | Neffi | It made me investigate further, and my research suggests more than 2 GPUs is worse off for performance |
| 00:56.25 | Neffi | Synchronizing GPUs gets exponentially harder as you add more. You face situations (often) where 2-3 frames are produced within 1 ms of each other, and then the next is pushed out 16+ ms later. Your effective framerate doesn't go up, despite your frames-per-second being higher. |
| 00:56.43 | Neffi | And instances of microstuttering become much worse. Small hiccups do more to break immersion than a high FPS |
| 00:56.44 | TC-Work | My research showed otherwise. But I only have Titans to test with, no 690's. |
| 00:57.24 | Arrowmaster | pompy: i just bought it today |
| 00:57.29 | Neffi | NVidia is a bit better off than AMD because they have routines in the driver to smooth out instances where multiple frames come out at once, by simply holding onto the frame and waiting to show it. That increases smoothness of the FPS at the cost of input latency |
| 00:57.54 | Sintacks | someoen make a message that makes (OQ) broadcasts not show up :| |
| 00:59.19 | Neffi | I'd rather not saturate the PCI-E bus and rely on PLX chips which add additional latency on top of it. In the edge cases where 3+ GPUs are actually more performant, the difference is negligible because 2 Titans are already enough to drive pretty intense graphics. And those are edge cases only. |
| 01:04.33 | Neffi | Sintacks: What addon is throwing the (OQ) broadcasts? |
| 01:04.51 | Neffi | Give me a link, and if it's not too difficult, I'll write you something |
| 01:07.25 | kd3 | heh. I'm amused that the android documentation for performHapticFeedback() consists of "BZZZTT!!1!" |
| 01:10.32 | Sintacks | oqueue |
| 01:10.48 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/oqueue |
| 01:13.13 | Neffi | Can you describe the messages you want to block? |
| 01:16.28 | Neffi | What I see is that it seems to be using BNet's broadcast system. Is that what you want to block from showing? |
| 01:17.55 | Stanzilla | yes he is |
| 01:18.44 | Neffi | Alright. I've dug up how oQueue sends and blocks these messages. Let me reduce it to its own script |
| 01:33.00 | Neffi | Sintacks: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22539-OQSpam.html |
| 01:35.10 | Neffi | Sintacks: https://www.dropbox.com/s/izt7kcwg5zbyr9g/OQSpam.zip <- it's not approved yet on WoWI so download here |
| 01:36.06 | Neffi | Sintacks: Wait, grab this one: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m967zct0h6eyemh/OQSpam-r2.zip |
| 01:36.07 | Cairenn | yes it is |
| 01:36.21 | Neffi | Thanks Cairenn =) |
| 01:36.25 | Cairenn | You're welcome |
| 01:37.16 | Cairenn | 09-30-13 09:33 PMCairennOQSpamApproved |
| 01:37.43 | Neffi | Cairenn: Is it possible to get an addon removed? |
| 01:37.48 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 01:37.54 | Neffi | My addon nfWidget-2.0 |
| 01:37.56 | Cairenn | Or moved to outdated, if that applies |
| 01:38.00 | Cairenn | link? |
| 01:38.03 | Neffi | It's an unholy mess and I'm not touching that code again |
| 01:38.11 | Neffi | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21539-nfWidget-2.0.html |
| 01:38.38 | Cairenn | Gone |
| 01:38.41 | Neffi | Thanks |
| 01:39.54 | Sintacks | <3 Neffi (i'll actually make sure it works after iget home from store) |
| 01:40.16 | Neffi | It should work, as it uses the same API that oQueue itself uses to block the annoyances |
| 01:40.20 | Sintacks | lol |
| 01:40.30 | Neffi | But I have never seen the messages myself, so I can't confirm if they're gone or not |
| 01:40.42 | Sintacks | it's just "(OQ)" broadcast by people with it |
| 01:40.51 | Sintacks | though there might be a hidden char. idk |
| 01:41.31 | Neffi | Nope. I copied the constants right out of oQueue itself |
| 01:41.37 | Sintacks | lol |
| 01:41.41 | Neffi | The code for blocking is identical, just reduced and refactored |
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| 02:08.20 | Neffi | Cairenn: It seems that the the PayPal donations button FAQ is no longer accurate |
| 02:08.21 | Neffi | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=donations_dev |
| 02:08.33 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 02:08.48 | Cairenn | need to figure out how it works these days and get it updated |
| 02:08.48 | Neffi | The form no longer gives you a "hosted_button_id" and it's no longer possible to save buttons unless you have a business account |
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| 02:16.31 | kd3 | hahaha; http://imgur.com/ufI2dza |
| 02:18.46 | Amarande | Neffi: Sadly, not surprised. Probably PayPal trying to make it hard for people to take donations anymore. :| |
| 02:19.16 | Amarande | They've seemed to have got pretty annoyed at the whole idea of (potentially) mass quantities of donations since so many folks started using them with Kickstarter :S |
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| 02:20.45 | Amarande | And wow, yeah, I'm not surprised that it would be possible to put $10,000+ into a gaming box if you tried heh |
| 02:21.50 | Neffi | A couple thousand was professional IPS monitors for color accuracy |
| 02:22.02 | Neffi | Not necessarily ideal for gaming, but something I'd like to have anyway |
| 02:24.48 | Amarande | As for 4770K vs 3820 vs 4820K: 4770K and 4820K are apparently really quite similar. |
| 02:25.23 | Neffi | Completely different core on the inside |
| 02:25.27 | Neffi | 4820 is an Ivy Bridge |
| 02:25.29 | Amarande | Performance, anyway. |
| 02:25.46 | Amarande | Only reason to consider the 3820 is unfortunately risk. |
| 02:25.51 | Neffi | Because the improvements to the Haswell core tend to make up for its lack of 2 extra cores |
| 02:26.05 | Amarande | 4820K is what you want if you want LGA 2011 without too much pain in the wallet, BUT |
| 02:26.18 | Neffi | But you don't want 2011 |
| 02:26.20 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure it's actually possible to START one's LGA 2011 use with an Ivy without significant risk of major pain |
| 02:26.21 | Neffi | ;) |
| 02:26.51 | Neffi | Also whoever invented potato, bacon & cheddar soup is a madman and a genius |
| 02:26.56 | Amarande | The problem is that all of the good X79 boards were started as Sandies, and there's NO WAY to tell before you actually buy the board whether you're screwed because it hasn't got the new BIOS needed for Ivy |
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| 02:27.16 | Neffi | Check if the product page lists the CPU as compatible |
| 02:27.25 | Neffi | The differences between IVy Bridge and Sandy Bridge are not large |
| 02:27.36 | Amarande | And as a result, with the sole exception of the P9X79 - hence why I'm considering that one in particular, due to its CPU-less BIOS update feature - you may end up stuck having to spend $300 more to get a 3820 just to be able to make the update |
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| 02:27.51 | Amarande | Which makes one wonder if one might as well not just get a 3820 for the peace of mind. |
| 02:28.12 | Amarande | It's a matter that was the case with things like Z68 and Ivy, too, but at least there you can get a cheap Sandy Celeron for 40 bucks. |
| 02:28.15 | Neffi | 3820 makes sense if you've already got an X79 board and you want a modest upgrade |
| 02:28.17 | Amarande | The cheapest LGA 2011 is $300. |
| 02:28.28 | Neffi | That's the only situation that it makes sense to invest into |
| 02:28.29 | Amarande | 3820 is the lowest end LGA 2011, it's not an upgrade from anywhere. :) |
| 02:28.39 | Amarande | well from anywhere else 2011, that is. |
| 02:28.49 | Amarande | It's still a quantum leap from my Thuban 1045T apparently. |
| 02:28.52 | Neffi | From the lowest end SB-E? |
| 02:29.01 | Neffi | Haswell is a bigger leap =) |
| 02:29.26 | Amarande | The i7-3820 IS the lowest end SB-E. It's why I noted it, because if you get the 4820K (or 4930K or even 4960X) and are unlucky, you wind up needing the 3820 anyway to be able to update the BIOS for the Ivy. |
| 02:29.49 | Amarande | The problem is that basically *all* LGA 2011 boards' Ivy status is "yes, *with the latest BIOS*" |
| 02:30.05 | Amarande | And there is no way to tell if you are GETTING the latest BIOS out of the box until you fork over the $250 for a board and get it home. |
| 02:30.45 | Amarande | Man, that's going to be fun with Intel's roadmap. Apparently Haswell-E, Broadwell-E, and Skylake-E are all rumoured to be planned for the same socket/chipset |
| 02:30.56 | Neffi | You perhaps can contact the manufacturer about it. See if they sell it pre-updated, and possibly request a pre-updated board. |
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| 02:31.15 | Neffi | Or RMA it and say "cannot update BIOS to support CPU without CPU" and see if they won't update it for you |
| 02:31.33 | Amarande | Except that if that's the case, unless you stick with the most popular boards (that cycle the fastest through newegg & friends), there seems a very good chance that Broadwell-E and Skylake-E are going to be rife with complaints due to people getting a board and finding it won't go without a Haswell-E bootstrap. :| |
| 02:31.55 | Neffi | I'm sure Asus and Gigabyte will solve the problem |
| 02:31.59 | Neffi | They're always good with shit |
| 02:32.10 | Amarande | Which will tend to send cost soaring, because if only the most popular boards are viable, they'll be staying high priced (due to supply & demand) while the low priced ones will be obvious minefields |
| 02:32.35 | Amarande | Yeah, ASUS seems to have solved it with some sort of weird BIOS updatey thing where you don't have to have a CPU installed at all |
| 02:32.45 | Neffi | which is nice |
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| 02:32.47 | Amarande | Hence why I'm only even considering the P9X79 now |
| 02:33.04 | Amarande | but that's the rub, it would seem to cause prices for -E boards to stay sky high except for Haswell and SB |
| 02:33.06 | Neffi | I still think it's a bad idea |
| 02:33.10 | Neffi | Haswell man |
| 02:33.32 | Amarande | due to people fearing to buy less rapidly-cycling boards due to the fact that those are likely to turn out to be ones that have been sitting for too long in Tiger and Newegg warehouses and thus being without the right update |
| 02:33.48 | Amarande | so *everyone* will want the P9's, and thus the P9's will stay high |
| 02:34.24 | Neffi | well time for moar coffee |
| 02:34.29 | Amarande | Or else enthusiasts wanting higher end stuff will be forced to buy pre-built computers where a company with deeper pockets works out all these possibly expensive kinks (and passes on the cost to the customer) |
| 02:45.32 | Neffi | Ack. Last day of my subscription is gonna be maintenance. |
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| 02:51.44 | Amarande | Neffi: could be worse, you could have played SW:TOR |
| 02:52.04 | Amarande | where people's subscriptions get taken up by maintenance even more often, and when it's not maintenance, it's often the game insisting on reinstalling itself *after* said maintenance |
| 02:52.05 | Neffi | I did for a little while |
| 02:52.09 | Neffi | Uninstalled it same day |
| 02:52.22 | Amarande | I liked it until one of the launcher patches decided to puke |
| 02:52.40 | Amarande | then I decided I might as well go back to a better maintained title like WoW |
| 02:52.51 | Neffi | Still waiting on ESO |
| 02:52.52 | Amarande | maybe FFXIV, but apparently that doesn't work well on Phenom II CPUs, hence all the various ponderings on upgrades |
| 02:53.02 | Amarande | and who knows what ESO's system requirements will be like, either |
| 02:53.09 | Neffi | My luck I won't find a job within the first year, so playing that is probably out the window |
| 02:53.21 | Amarande | mind you, even the 3820 is probably more than good enough for any games these days |
| 02:53.50 | Amarande | so I'm currently leaning towards that one, unless I can be really, really 100% ironclad sure the 4820K or 4930K will run without needing a 3820 to make the update |
| 02:54.08 | Amarande | (in which case I should get the 4820K for sure - 4930K is too pricey) |
| 02:54.25 | Amarande | unless Haswell is really as worth-it by comparison as you say, but I'm a little skeptical |
| 02:54.32 | Amarande | (plus, to nitpick, haswell still uses those terribad push pin fans) |
| 02:54.59 | Amarande | and much of the price difference I'm seeing between 4820K/3820 and 4770K building to begin with is the cooler, since LGA 2011's don't come with one |
| 02:55.12 | Amarande | if I got Haswell I might want that cooler *anyway* in order to save my sanity |
| 02:56.02 | Neffi | Like I said, if you're buying a premium Intel CPU and not overclocking, you're doing it wrong |
| 02:56.10 | Neffi | You should buy a good cooler either way |
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| 03:01.45 | Amarande | One thing that DOES occur to me. |
| 03:02.02 | Amarande | If I go Haswell, it seems like I'm condemning myself to pay out the nose later on for a huge GPU when 4k becomes a standard |
| 03:02.32 | Amarande | whereas with LGA 2011, there's a chance we might be able to handle 4K with cheaper GPUs, due to being able to use 3 or 4 of them, or 2 at 16x/16x |
| 03:02.40 | Amarande | whereas Haswell will never do more than two cards, and at 8x/8x |
| 03:03.05 | Amarande | I'm not familiar enough with GPU performance to know if that's really actually a factor, though |
| 03:03.37 | Neffi | PLX chips allow for more PCI-E lanes |
| 03:03.43 | Neffi | And a Titan should handle 4K |
| 03:04.09 | Amarande | That's what I mean, with multi-SLI/Crossfire, we might be able to use three or four lesser cards |
| 03:04.32 | Amarande | whereas with only 16 PCI-E lanes with most Haswell stuff, we'd probably *have to* get a Titan at that point and eat the $1000 cost |
| 03:05.29 | Neffi | You're also saving a lot buying Haswell AND getting a better motherboard |
| 03:05.39 | Neffi | There are Haswell boards with 4x 16x PCI-E lanes |
| 03:05.58 | Neffi | Also TC may not agree with me, but more than 2 cards is not worth it |
| 03:08.15 | TC-Work | Technically I never suggested more thant 2 cards. |
| 03:08.31 | TC-Work | than* |
| 03:08.43 | Neffi | More than 2 GPUs* |
| 03:09.39 | Amarande | Neffi: I was figuring that once 4K becomes the standard, you might be able to eke out okay gaming with 3 or 4 lesser cards |
| 03:09.45 | Amarande | which might come to $600-800 or so all told |
| 03:09.52 | Amarande | instead of having to suck it up and buy the $1,000 card finally |
| 03:10.00 | Neffi | 4K won't be "standard" for a while to come |
| 03:10.11 | Neffi | It won't be standard until the average GPU can handle it |
| 03:10.23 | Neffi | PS4/Xbone aren't projected to support 4K gaming |
| 03:10.35 | Neffi | If you want to be an early adopter, you will need a high end card no matter how you try to slice it |
| 03:11.43 | Neffi | I don't see 4K gaming being standard within the projected lifetime of a computer built right now |
| 03:12.06 | Neffi | I mean, it makes as much sense as saying "well it won't support DDR4" |
| 03:13.18 | Amarande | hm, yeah, LGA 2011 seems too spendy, on balance |
| 03:13.29 | Amarande | especially with i7 not really being all that much better than i5 for gaming I'm told |
| 03:13.36 | kd3 | whee... the lawyers win again: http://imgur.com/DNIc9ln |
| 03:13.37 | Amarande | doesn't suck, but too pricey |
| 03:14.11 | Neffi | You're coming around then |
| 03:14.21 | Amarande | 466.97 for a nice Gigabyte mobo + i5-4670K + a Zalman cooler |
| 03:14.38 | Neffi | $500 for a motherboard? wtf |
| 03:14.44 | Amarande | vs. 600 or so for i7-4820K + P9X79 + Zalman cooler |
| 03:14.46 | Neffi | Ohhhh |
| 03:15.00 | Neffi | Once again the Haswell will be better anyway |
| 03:15.04 | Neffi | And stop with the Zalman coolers lol |
| 03:15.06 | Amarande | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8340651&Sku=Z20-1211 worth it? |
| 03:15.13 | Neffi | Why do you like Zalman so much? |
| 03:15.19 | Amarande | or is http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6046364&csid=_61 better? |
| 03:15.23 | Amarande | I've heard it has a good rep, mostly |
| 03:15.34 | Neffi | Lots of companies have a good rep |
| 03:15.35 | Neffi | So what? |
| 03:15.51 | Neffi | There are better coolers for half the price of what you're looking at |
| 03:15.54 | Amarande | the Thermaltake doesn't list 1150, though :| |
| 03:15.57 | Neffi | Learn to love Frostytech.com |
| 03:16.02 | Amarande | unless it's definite guaranteed 1155 = 1150 |
| 03:16.28 | Neffi | By the time you buy this, 1150 support will be universal on all but the worst/cheapest crap coolers |
| 03:16.51 | Neffi | It's probably close to universal now. Manufacturers usually start silently shipping new mounting hardware with existing coolers. |
| 03:17.12 | Neffi | It takes time for eg Newegg to update the spec page. Sometimes the manufacturer's page doesn't even reflect the change. |
| 03:18.34 | Amarande | also for $58 it seems like maybe it's worth just spending the extra $20 to get a Thermaltake water cooler |
| 03:18.55 | Neffi | http://frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2722 |
| 03:18.55 | Amarande | dammit Tiger, stop giving me after-MIR prices in searches |
| 03:19.03 | Neffi | Now wait for THAT to come out =) |
| 03:19.31 | Neffi | I've been waiting for news on the Sandia cooler for a long time |
| 03:19.36 | Neffi | It's a brilliant design |
| 03:20.12 | Amarande | is that actually out yet? |
| 03:20.22 | Neffi | nope |
| 03:20.25 | Amarande | or will it be out within the next ... year or so, when I might actually consider building this haswell? |
| 03:20.30 | Neffi | read the article. im doing a dungeon right now |
| 03:21.23 | Neffi | "damn this tank sucks at keeping aggro" "fuck you, I'm dead" woops |
| 03:22.19 | Amarande | did you afktank? |
| 03:22.49 | Neffi | I'm the mage that's pulling aggro |
| 03:23.03 | Neffi | I should make a tank though. I miss doing it. |
| 03:23.11 | Neffi | Then again, after tomorrow I have no subscription |
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| 03:27.47 | Amarande | yeah, I'm going to roll a protadin when I finally stop procrastinating and get back into the game |
| 03:27.59 | Amarande | which I should, since I started paying for a subscription again |
| 03:28.05 | Amarande | but so far pretty much all I've done is get my addons sorted out |
| 03:32.01 | Fisker | sneaks up on Parnic and heys him |
| 03:32.21 | Amarande | it's going to be a damn fun time to no longer need to worry about queues |
| 03:32.27 | Amarande | except maybe in lfr |
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| 03:33.00 | Amarande | how's the tank shortage situation in lfr these days? dull roar, or "gah, I AM A TANK AND I'M STILL STUCK IN QUEUE BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY TANK" situations? |
| 03:34.05 | Amarande | also SW:TOR has left me just shaking my head about tank shortages, mostly because I played a tank there and it was super fun, so why do people not want to be tanks :) |
| 03:34.16 | Amarande | my old BC protadin was super fun too |
| 03:34.21 | Amarande | you'd think people would *want* to tank |
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| 03:34.37 | Amarande | tbh, my thought has always been that healer should be the hard to find role, not tank, but that is not the case :S |
| 03:34.57 | Neffi | I don't do PvE, so I cant tell you what it's like now |
| 03:35.44 | Amarande | mostly because of this ... DPS is popular because DPS roles tend to be the most efficient at solo questing so people get used to the feeling of power (plus almost every leveling guide encourages you to be DPS) |
| 03:36.07 | Neffi | I think the concept of being a tank seems daunting to many |
| 03:36.10 | Amarande | Tanking is fun, too, not only in group settings, but also when questing the fact that you do a little less damage is balanced out by the warm fuzzies of not having to worry so much about dying |
| 03:36.19 | Neffi | "That's not for me" is often uttered by people who've never tried it |
| 03:36.32 | Amarande | Healing, on the other hand, really does pretty much suck unless you are doing everything in a group setting, especially with the hyperspecialisation brought on by Mists |
| 03:36.50 | Amarande | I tried to level a druid as resto at one point and all I can say is, OMG was I glad to get my dual spec when I hit 30 |
| 03:37.03 | Neffi | With the new LFD, you've got instant queues while leveling |
| 03:37.34 | Amarande | like tank, leveling as heals means barely ever worrying about dying |
| 03:37.46 | Amarande | unlike tank, leveling as heals means barely ever having to worry about the monsters dying anytime soon, either, because they won't :P |
| 03:38.27 | Amarande | although I'm hearing wind that that changed in Mists too, mostly inferred by the fact that even MainTankadin recommends you do solo leveling as ret |
| 03:38.54 | Amarande | which means there must have been a ginormous change, because it used to be the recommended leveling spec for pally was prot even for soloing, even though guides would normally otherwise recommend DPS spec all the way |
| 03:40.02 | Fisker | you should be glad for those 97 cents kd3 |
| 03:41.38 | Neffi | I think the reason I haven't stuck with a tank is because none of the tank classes feel compelling to me in PvP |
| 03:41.48 | Neffi | Except druid, and I'd rather rip shit up as feral |
| 03:51.23 | Sintacks | Neffi, works, mostly. blocks the print in chat, but doesn't hide the toast window :( |
| 03:51.46 | Neffi | Sintacks: Give me a few minutes, and I'll investigate that |
| 03:59.51 | Neffi | I'm finding a way to solve this. In the meantime, to anyone that does run oQueue: does it hide the toast messages? |
| 04:02.45 | bleeter | https://twitter.com/NASAVoyager2/status/384887422477430784 |
| 04:06.48 | Neffi | Christ, 21000 SLOC in the main Lua file |
| 04:10.42 | bleeter | Here's a fairly decent groove for the Breaking Bad fans going through withdrawals (NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKUL7OikASU |
| 04:10.45 | bleeter | also |
| 04:10.59 | bleeter | to all US citizens, I've seen this episode of West Wing already. FAIL! |
| 04:15.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:18.07 | Neffi | Ok, I believe I've found a reliable way to prevent toasts from showing up, but this is definitely gonna require testing |
| 04:18.25 | Neffi | I'll send you a new .zip in a couple minutes, Sintacks |
| 04:22.49 | Neffi | Sintacks: Are you on US or EU? Also, are you busy? |
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| 04:29.45 | Thunder_Child | Yes bleeter, I'll go flip my god given 'Murica switch and get you a new ep. |
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| 04:33.55 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure I've found a way to reliably filter BNet toasts and prevent certain ones from showing up. |
| 04:34.18 | Neffi | I'll post a how-to on the WoWI forums in exchange for somebody with a US account helping me debug the toast frame |
| 04:34.33 | Neffi | I need to find out some info that I can only get by watching the toast frame show up |
| 04:34.49 | Neffi | So I need somebody to add me as a BNet friend and then do a few things |
| 04:35.41 | Fisker | Does it need to be a wow account? |
| 04:35.49 | Neffi | I don't think so |
| 04:35.57 | Fisker | how long will it take? |
| 04:36.15 | Neffi | A few minutes? I need to write a stub of code though for actually inspecting the events and functions |
| 04:36.18 | Neffi | So give me a few minutes |
| 04:36.25 | Fisker | kk |
| 04:36.31 | Fisker | Got half an hour or so before i go to work |
| 04:36.48 | Neffi | That should be plenty of time |
| 04:37.03 | Neffi | If not don't worry. I'm sure I can pay somebody to help me out |
| 04:37.11 | Thunder_Child | Except is half an hout of Fisker.... |
| 04:37.15 | Neffi | In-game that with gold that is |
| 04:37.21 | Thunder_Child | it is* |
| 04:37.24 | Thunder_Child | hour* |
| 04:37.30 | Thunder_Child | aaaand, time for sleep |
| 04:37.53 | Fisker | bye Thunder_Child |
| 04:38.06 | Thunder_Child | I meant the fact that I can't type properly |
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| 04:42.43 | Neffi | Fisker: Alright, if you can do it add me Neffi#1897 |
| 04:51.17 | Neffi | Hooray |
| 04:51.25 | Neffi | You can reliably block some toasts from showing up |
| 04:51.34 | Neffi | In a totally taint-free fashion too |
| 04:51.58 | Fisker | \o/ |
| 04:52.19 | Neffi | It's actually so stupidly simple that it was hard to find |
| 04:52.26 | Neffi | And requires very little code |
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| 05:01.58 | Aeger73 | is there a command like FCF_SavePositionAndDimensions for settingh the UIParent scale? |
| 05:02.20 | Aeger73 | that one works for chatframe but when Im reloading my UIScale isnt saving |
| 05:09.55 | acethebunny | |12:22:42 am| [Neffi] Sintacks: Are you on US or EU? Also, are you busy? |
| 05:09.56 | acethebunny | US |
| 05:10.03 | acethebunny | and i wasn't busy. but i forgot i said anything <>, |
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| 05:13.37 | Neffi | For anyone that ever wanted to block/filter BNet toasts |
| 05:13.38 | Neffi | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=285371 |
| 05:13.44 | Neffi | Thank Fisker for helping me out |
| 05:14.41 | Sintacks | that second paragraph. that's pretty awesome. |
| 05:14.58 | Neffi | Sintacks: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xod11g9kuks4mw2/OQSpam-r4.zip |
| 05:15.47 | Sintacks | reload UI enough, or do i need to restart? |
| 05:15.52 | Neffi | Reload |
| 05:16.03 | Neffi | If anything ends up getting through, let me know |
| 05:16.19 | Sintacks | now the question is: is it going to mess with another addon that messes with teh toast frame |
| 05:16.20 | Neffi | I don't know what BN_TOAST_TYPE_CONVERSATION is, so I didn't filter it |
| 05:16.24 | Neffi | No |
| 05:16.53 | Neffi | It only blocks toasts that are of the type BROADCAST and whose messages are "(OQ) ", "(OQ)" or "" |
| 05:17.20 | Sintacks | how would one even be "" |
| 05:17.21 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 05:17.39 | Neffi | oQueue's own code filters the chat for empty broadcast strings, so I assume it's for some edge-case |
| 05:17.46 | Neffi | I added it just incase |
| 05:17.55 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 05:18.10 | Sintacks | cuz that's actually how you clear your broadcast. is by making it "" |
| 05:18.15 | Neffi | I know |
| 05:18.18 | Neffi | Which shouldn't show up |
| 05:18.29 | Neffi | I don't know why oQueue filters it from the chat |
| 05:18.35 | Sintacks | well, normal toasts are working so far |
| 05:18.47 | Sintacks | haven't seen anyone log on that i know uses OQ yet |
| 05:18.57 | Neffi | It definitely will not fuck with any toast that isn't (OQ) |
| 05:19.14 | Sintacks | 18:43|[|Kf33|kName|k]: (OQ) Trying to block seeing it or something? |
| 05:19.17 | Sintacks | that made it through |
| 05:19.17 | Neffi | The methodology for blocking them is quite simple, as you can see from that forum post |
| 05:19.26 | Sintacks | but that's not actually as bad |
| 05:19.31 | Sintacks | so that's fine getting through imo |
| 05:19.43 | Neffi | Wait |
| 05:19.47 | Sintacks | cuz the OQ part of that is to tell OQ users they have OQ, and the other part is what they are actually wanting to broadcast |
| 05:19.59 | Neffi | So when you have OQ, it will prefix ALL BNet broadcasts with "(OQ)"? |
| 05:20.11 | Sintacks | pretty sure that's how it works |
| 05:20.34 | Neffi | Well I assume you want to see their real broadcast |
| 05:20.38 | Mr_Rabies | that or it simply replaces your broadcast with (OQ) if you're queued |
| 05:20.39 | Sintacks | yeah |
| 05:20.47 | Neffi | I can find a way to filter out all instances of "(OQ)" prefix as well if you want |
| 05:20.50 | Sintacks | so it not filtering "(OQ) ...." is fine |
| 05:21.03 | Sintacks | you could make that a setting if you are actually uploading it to WoWI |
| 05:21.08 | Neffi | But it will definitely filter out instances of just "(OQ)" |
| 05:21.42 | Semlar | qq |
| 05:21.47 | Neffi | I won't do it if it can't be done taint-free. So let me dig around some more and I might push an update out in a bit. |
| 05:21.51 | Neffi | Roxanne! |
| 05:22.00 | Sintacks | hmm. |
| 05:22.11 | Sintacks | it didn't block the toast but it did block the message still |
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| 05:22.15 | Neffi | I have a feeling I can filter that out as well without any problem |
| 05:22.23 | Sintacks | I'm going to assume RealIDToons is messing with something |
| 05:22.30 | Semlar | here let me taint that for you |
| 05:22.44 | Neffi | Well that's not good enough |
| 05:22.55 | Neffi | Let me do some debugging and see if I can pin down why it got through |
| 05:23.01 | Sintacks | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/realid-toons |
| 05:24.46 | Neffi | Nope, that's not affecting it |
| 05:24.56 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 05:25.01 | Neffi | In my tests the blocking worked, so I must've done something wrong in OQSpam itself |
| 05:25.19 | Sintacks | I think I have a modified version of realidtoons now that i think about it |
| 05:25.31 | Sintacks | cuz i was messing around with it to see if i could filter with it |
| 05:25.33 | Sintacks | and didn't get anywhere |
| 05:26.10 | Sintacks | nope. not modified. |
| 05:27.09 | Neffi | I counted the returns wrong |
| 05:27.14 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:27.21 | Neffi | Using underscores as throwaways makes these mistakes easy |
| 05:27.32 | Neffi | But it works now. Let me push an update. |
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| 05:28.13 | Sintacks | moo |
| 05:28.14 | Neffi | https://www.dropbox.com/s/q0kdt5xeu33aom4/OQSpam-r5.zip |
| 05:28.54 | bluspacecow | moo? |
| 05:29.01 | Sintacks | how am i reloading UI so fast o.O |
| 05:29.04 | Sintacks | this is odd |
| 05:29.11 | Neffi | You've got the Neffi magic now |
| 05:29.13 | bluspacecow | aliens man' |
| 05:29.14 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:29.16 | Semlar | steroids |
| 05:29.18 | Neffi | Test it |
| 05:29.24 | Neffi | But your toast was successfully blocked |
| 05:29.45 | Neffi | Now I'll see if I can filter all instances of "(OQ)" |
| 05:30.00 | Fisker | checks bluspacecow's haircut |
| 05:30.00 | Neffi | At the beginning at least |
| 05:30.15 | Fisker | ooh |
| 05:30.27 | Fisker | I just got a terrible idea |
| 05:30.46 | Neffi | fuck man |
| 05:30.48 | Fisker | addons for hearthstone |
| 05:30.53 | Neffi | Sintacks: hmm |
| 05:30.59 | Neffi | I left my debug messages in your copy |
| 05:31.07 | Sintacks | that's okay |
| 05:31.08 | Sintacks | lol |
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| 05:31.40 | Neffi | https://www.dropbox.com/s/iiek490m1275oo1/OQSpam-r6.zip |
| 05:31.43 | bluspacecow | hearthstone up right meow ? |
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| 05:31.58 | Sintacks | 29:53|46 |Kf46|kSklith|k Sklith##### true Jellal 209 WoW true 1380597287 false false (OQ) Alliance DK who we tried to kill at our Shrine true 1380605400 false |
| 05:32.08 | Sintacks | that didn't print or show a toast |
| 05:32.47 | Neffi | That'd be the debug line |
| 05:32.50 | Neffi | Removed in r6 |
| 05:33.03 | Sintacks | OHH. derp. |
| 05:33.06 | Sintacks | i missread the debug line |
| 05:33.12 | bluspacecow | *noms Sintacks* |
| 05:33.17 | Sintacks | i thought the bit after the (OQ) part was the broadcast |
| 05:33.19 | Sintacks | but that's hit note |
| 05:33.20 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:33.29 | Sintacks | okay. so that helps show that it does infact work. |
| 05:33.48 | Neffi | Well that spam is just as bad, so you should update =P |
| 05:33.59 | Neffi | I'm gonna see if I can remove the prefixes now. That'll take a little longer. |
| 05:34.37 | Sintacks | so like, if it is a "(OQ) lol i need people for something" it'll just show "lol i need people for something" without the "(OQ)" part, is that what you are going for now? |
| 05:34.49 | Neffi | yes |
| 05:34.57 | Neffi | But only if I can do it with absolutely no chance of taint |
| 05:35.05 | Sintacks | yeah.t hat sounds cool |
| 05:35.07 | Neffi | Which I'm pretty sure I can |
| 05:35.15 | Neffi | I'll make it a toggle-able option |
| 05:41.09 | Neffi | Well filtering the toast window's text is easy. Now to filter the chat frame. |
| 05:41.20 | Neffi | Since so many people hook AddMessage anyway, should I just go that route? |
| 05:41.31 | Stanzilla | that's evil |
| 05:41.37 | Stanzilla | and tainty |
| 05:41.44 | Sintacks | lol |
| 05:41.53 | Neffi | I don't know of any other way to change what gets printed to the chat |
| 05:42.07 | Neffi | And ChatFrame.lua is a massive beast of a file |
| 05:44.40 | Sintacks | reloading now, Neffi |
| 05:47.14 | karl_w_w | spills taint everywhere |
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| 05:54.39 | Neffi | I see no other way. Anyone have a recommendation for how I can change what's being printed in the chat frame without hooking AddMessage? |
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| 06:00.25 | karl_w_w | what's the betting they apply the hearthstone patch during maintenance by mistake and wipe everyone's collections early? |
| 06:04.54 | Sintacks | heh |
| 06:04.57 | Sintacks | wouldn't matter |
| 06:05.03 | Sintacks | they warned us |
| 06:05.27 | Sintacks | i only cared about getting from 95 gold to 100 to buy another deck so i didn't lose 95 gold |
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| 06:15.56 | Neffi | I can't focus on ChatFrame.lua any more right now. I'll add prefix filtering soon enough,. |
| 06:16.08 | Neffi | I'll have plenty of time Wednesday when I'm wishing I could play the game |
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| 06:19.17 | Sintacks | lol |
| 06:19.22 | Sintacks | you already did what i wanted |
| 06:19.24 | Sintacks | and are awesome |
| 06:19.27 | Sintacks | and i'd give you a cookie |
| 06:19.28 | Sintacks | if i had one |
| 06:19.37 | Neffi | heh |
| 06:20.12 | Neffi | If you want a version that filters the prefix from toasts, I have that right now |
| 06:20.25 | Sintacks | r6 was good |
| 06:26.28 | Neffi | Well that change just got pushed to WoWI, if you want it. It's disabled by default. You can enable it by changing the flag at the top of the Lua file. |
| 06:26.39 | Neffi | I'll get an in-game config going when I get chat frame filtering done |
| 06:42.34 | Shirik | I will hurt whoever thought this image would ever be useful http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5u1UHojRiJk/TEh9BHxxPUI/AAAAAAAAAIQ/DafeQNMYFoE/s200/ztable.gif |
| 06:43.06 | Shirik | first result on google |
| 06:47.39 | Neffi | I see no problem |
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| 06:53.05 | Shirik | Neffi |
| 06:53.12 | Shirik | how about the fact that the numbers are completely unreadable |
| 06:54.19 | Neffi | Are they? I have bad eyes |
| 06:54.26 | Neffi | Also on the point of unicode support in the WoW client |
| 06:54.29 | Neffi | etc |
| 06:54.39 | Mr_Rabies | here's a visually similar image, Shirik, hope it helps: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Anatomie_Hengst_-_Allgemein.png |
| 06:54.44 | Neffi | Apparently the game changes the fontstring's font to something else when Chinese characters are present |
| 06:55.16 | Neffi | https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhk1nxph6qf1a4e/WoWScrnShot_100113_025449.jpg |
| 06:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | not just chinese, i believe russian and others, too |
| 06:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | korean, i believe |
| 06:55.57 | Neffi | might be |
| 06:56.00 | Neffi | I'm not familiar |
| 06:56.03 | Mr_Rabies | it's weirdly blurry compared to the normal font |
| 06:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | and wider |
| 06:56.16 | Mr_Rabies | it was happening for all emotes on the ptr at one point |
| 06:56.26 | Shirik | no Neffi |
| 06:56.53 | Shirik | ｔｈａｔ’ｓ ｗｈａｔ ｈａｐｐｅｎｓ ｗｈｅｎ ｙｏｕ ｕｓｅ ａｌｐｈａｂｅｔｉｃ ｃｈａｒａｃｔｅｒｓ ｉｎ ａｓｉａｎ ｓｅｔｓ |
| 06:57.26 | haste | no Shirik |
| 06:57.40 | haste | it just looks like the fontstring has a larger font size |
| 06:57.57 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/332b4317874c94173a492bf2e7b5562a |
| 06:57.58 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:58.00 | Mr_Rabies | ｉｔ＇ｓ ｈａｒｄ ｔｏ ｒｅａｄ ｂｌｏｃｋ ｌｅｔｔｅｒｓ ｌｉｋｅ ｔｈｉｓ |
| 06:58.02 | Shirik | do you see this? |
| 06:58.03 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:58.13 | haste | yes |
| 06:58.28 | haste | but Neffi's image looks like the same font, but different size |
| 06:59.13 | haste | WoW might just fallback to a different font as well, but the font size shouldn't be too different then |
| 07:03.17 | Mr_Rabies | well, non-latin characters can often need more space per character to be legible |
| 07:04.08 | Shirik | 麤龗豔讟籲籲 |
| 07:04.37 | Shirik | I have no idea what that says, I just opened the character tool and asked it for the characters with the most strokes |
| 07:04.53 | Shirik | http://gyazo.com/6092290905aca77172aa368a7d4e52be |
| 07:04.56 | Shirik | totally legible :D |
| 07:05.03 | Shirik | (kinda proves Mr_Rabies's point) |
| 07:05.39 | Mr_Rabies | ブ and プ look pretty similar when small, too, using another script |
| 07:12.43 | haste | Mr_Rabies: try ソ and ン |
| 07:13.03 | haste | シ and ツ can be bad too, but usually aren't |
| 07:13.38 | Neffi | smiles can be bad? |
| 07:14.23 | haste | :) |
| 07:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.21 | haste | doesn't really matter for リ and り |
| 07:15.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, same thing, different scripts |
| 07:16.28 | Neffi | Are the contents of Satchel of Helpful good decided when you get it, or when you open it? |
| 07:16.30 | Shirik | still I think in the context of a word |
| 07:16.42 | Shirik | it doesn't particularly matter because you're reading the word instead of the character |
| 07:16.49 | Neffi | Eg, could I keep a Satchel from level 30 around until level 50, and then get a 50-appropriate item for opening it? |
| 07:17.47 | Neffi | Nevermind. It appears there's a unique Satchel item for each level bracket. |
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| 07:47.07 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/z5pKXb7.jpg =/ |
| 07:48.04 | zenzio | seems familiar |
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| 08:07.06 | karl_w_w | it's impossible to reach master without buying an assload of packs |
| 08:10.29 | zenzio | master what? |
| 08:13.56 | airtonix | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=c_gEiU_FDxQ#t=196 |
| 08:15.17 | airtonix | i feel unclean now |
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| 08:18.22 | karl_w_w | master rank in hearthstone |
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| 08:56.49 | karl_w_w | so ridiculous trying to get a win when the other guy is dropping rares and epics every turn |
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| 09:47.33 | Neffi | lol what http://i.imgur.com/K0ATV.png |
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| 09:57.14 | karl_w_w | o.O |
| 09:59.15 | airtonix | Straya! |
| 10:01.08 | airtonix | Neffi: what song is that trying to be? |
| 10:01.29 | Neffi | no idea |
| 10:02.25 | airtonix | part of it almost looks like it could be the ac-dc song Thunder |
| 10:02.58 | airtonix | or is it just that trolololol song? |
| 10:17.05 | Maldivia | it's the trololo :) |
| 10:21.44 | airtonix | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/07/the-new-sci-fi-and-tech-shows-you-need-to-watch-this-season/ |
| 10:22.27 | zenzio | "This allows him to access any information in the blink of an eye (kind of like owning a smartphone, but without having to bookmark Wikipedia)" |
| 10:29.07 | airtonix | good luck to microsoft trying to keep halo exclusive to xbox |
| 10:29.21 | airtonix | that'll last all of about five seconds |
| 10:30.38 | airtonix | farts |
| 10:31.03 | airtonix | http://www.robinaburrows.com/archives/1528 |
| 10:32.29 | airtonix | tomorrow people comes out next week |
| 10:42.28 | Neffi | Wasn't that concept done like 4 times already? |
| 10:43.59 | airtonix | yeah so was neighbours, home and away, and days of our lives... but that shit is successful (and i belive secretly bank rolled by the illuminati snake people ) |
| 10:44.40 | Neffi | Get the rope. airtonix knows too much |
| 10:45.09 | airtonix | too late, i've already transcended. |
| 10:45.27 | Neffi | That's just the LSD we're pumping through your air vents |
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| 10:45.36 | airtonix | it's good shit |
| 10:45.39 | airtonix | brah |
| 10:47.11 | Neffi | Snake people don't settle for anything less than the best |
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| 12:58.57 | karl_w_w | the high-tech webpage shown after a driver install: http://subscriptions.amd.com/driverinstalled/index.html?VID1=1002&DID1=6818&PID1=AMD%%20Radeon%%20Graphics%%20Processor&SSVID1=1458&SSID1=2554 |
| 12:59.27 | karl_w_w | no doubt they are tracking installs |
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| 13:10.51 | zenzio | grmbl... |
| 13:11.11 | zenzio | ISP does say they are working on something in my area, and that I may experience "short disruptions" |
| 13:11.27 | zenzio | but judging from how many times my home PC has disconnected today, they're not doing so well |
| 13:11.36 | zenzio | and just an hour until I get off work :-( |
| 13:11.51 | zenzio | might even have to eat dinner offline |
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| 13:20.27 | heliogabalo | hello |
| 13:21.15 | zenzio | hi |
| 13:25.36 | heliogabalo | I was just wondering if I could get some technical support |
| 13:25.45 | heliogabalo | ? |
| 13:26.02 | zenzio | difficult to say. We're not an official support channel, but you can always try |
| 13:26.15 | Ressy | or you can hit up #wowtech - few of the Tech Support MVPs in there. |
| 13:26.20 | heliogabalo | thx, lol |
| 13:26.50 | heliogabalo | thx again |
| 13:28.41 | heliogabalo | Cairenn this morning advised me that I pass by here |
| 13:29.03 | Ressy | What's your problem regarding? |
| 13:29.21 | heliogabalo | I know I'm late. but had connectivity problems |
| 13:30.34 | heliogabalo | I think my brothers have fretted on my computer and strange things happen ... |
| 13:31.48 | heliogabalo | I can pay servicing. Also write in several magazines and also translate English pages |
| 13:32.36 | zenzio | is this part of your problem? |
| 13:32.49 | heliogabalo | lol |
| 13:34.32 | heliogabalo | you are someone who thinks that writing in journals is a problem ... I also think so. But also I think the truth will set us free |
| 13:35.12 | zenzio | I have no idea what you're talking about anymore |
| 13:35.20 | zenzio | you were saying you had a technical problem |
| 13:35.34 | heliogabalo | sorry... |
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| 13:36.48 | heliogabalo | let me concentrate ... There are several problems I mention above are the two main of which I remember now |
| 13:36.59 | mitch0 | ... |
| 13:37.14 | mitch0 | focus on the root cause. grab your pills asap |
| 13:37.54 | heliogabalo | The first is that I can not opened the wow shortcut through the command-console |
| 13:40.11 | bluipodcow | Hmmmmmm |
| 13:40.37 | bluipodcow | What's yr native language ? Maybe someone here can speak it |
| 13:41.15 | heliogabalo | i'm spanish. you understand me? in the target box, I wrote ...-colsole to open just before logging of the account. does not work. I'm trying to follow the guidance in construction of the wili addons |
| 13:42.00 | heliogabalo | wiki, -console, sorry |
| 13:42.27 | bluipodcow | I don't speak Spanish myself sorry. But it sounds like you want to learn how to write addons yes ? |
| 13:42.53 | heliogabalo | absolutely |
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| 13:43.27 | bluipodcow | I would start by taking apart existing ones |
| 13:43.58 | bluipodcow | There's a book on how to write them too but it's a little out of date |
| 13:44.08 | bluipodcow | But the authors hang round here |
| 13:44.28 | bluipodcow | Do you have any programming experience ? |
| 13:44.54 | heliogabalo | ok, I like that there is no problem about that. I will read what I say |
| 13:45.49 | heliogabalo | a little with ruby, html, rails for zombies and git ... any more (but beginners) |
| 13:46.42 | bluipodcow | Any Lua ? |
| 13:47.06 | heliogabalo | the very very basic |
| 13:47.58 | bluipodcow | I would start with something basic |
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| 13:48.05 | heliogabalo | ok |
| 13:48.21 | bluipodcow | Then compare to existing addons to see how they did it |
| 13:48.45 | heliogabalo | ok |
| 13:48.53 | bluipodcow | Also a tutorial on how a basic addon works would be good |
| 13:49.01 | bluipodcow | Any suggestions guys ? |
| 13:49.33 | heliogabalo | yes, I agree |
| 13:51.46 | heliogabalo | have no idea why-console command works ... or leave that for another day? |
| 13:52.06 | bluipodcow | Works on the mac |
| 13:52.49 | heliogabalo | I am now in linux, but this morning I tried it and did not work in windows |
| 13:53.34 | bluipodcow | ~framexml |
| 13:53.34 | purl | it has been said that framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 13:54.01 | bluipodcow | Probably using it wrong |
| 13:55.11 | heliogabalo | do not know, but I've done exactly what the tutorial was saying, and does not work |
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| 13:55.41 | bluipodcow | Which tutorial ? |
| 13:56.36 | heliogabalo | a tutorial on the Spanish forum wow |
| 13:57.05 | bluipodcow | Link ? |
| 13:57.46 | heliogabalo | sorry not sure leaves a minute I look |
| 13:57.57 | bluipodcow | JFK |
| 13:58.04 | bluipodcow | Lol autocorrect |
| 13:58.08 | bluipodcow | Kk |
| 13:59.00 | heliogabalo | in wowwiki.com/gettin_started_with_witing_addons |
| 13:59.33 | mitch0 | isn't wowwiki the old traitorous bastard replaced by wowpedia? |
| 13:59.54 | heliogabalo | http://www.wowwiki.com/Getting_started_with_writing_addons |
| 14:00.51 | bluipodcow | Yeah it is |
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| 14:01.43 | bluipodcow | Ha ha isn't that cogwheels guide ? |
| 14:02.32 | heliogabalo | this guide is bad? |
| 14:02.41 | bluipodcow | Nvm |
| 14:02.57 | bluipodcow | Where is you wow folder installed? |
| 14:03.08 | heliogabalo | program files |
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| 14:03.39 | bluipodcow | X86 or just program files ? |
| 14:03.50 | heliogabalo | just program |
| 14:04.01 | heliogabalo | but in the other partition |
| 14:04.12 | heliogabalo | lol |
| 14:04.22 | bluipodcow | .... |
| 14:04.53 | bluipodcow | It needs to be the path to the wow.exe , where you have the wow folder installed |
| 14:05.32 | heliogabalo | you refer to the shortcut? |
| 14:05.57 | bluipodcow | Essentially |
| 14:06.12 | bluipodcow | You are launching the wow exe directly |
| 14:06.17 | bluipodcow | But with |
| 14:06.37 | bluipodcow | An argument at the end |
| 14:07.00 | heliogabalo | no, I'm running the wow.exe shortcut as administrator |
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| 14:07.25 | bluipodcow | Not the same |
| 14:07.41 | heliogabalo | yes, blah, vla, blah, vla.exe " -console |
| 14:07.58 | heliogabalo | yes, blah, vla , blah, vla.exe "-console |
| 14:09.29 | bluipodcow | wow.exe " -console or wow.exe -console |
| 14:09.54 | bluipodcow | " isn't part of it |
| 14:10.20 | heliogabalo | I do not understand |
| 14:10.45 | zenzio | could you copy and paste exactly what the shortcut says |
| 14:11.24 | bluipodcow | What you have in there |
| 14:12.32 | heliogabalo | ok just a minute plz |
| 14:12.57 | pompy | ughhh another company not prepared for the load >< ... GTA Online was enabled this morning, and http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/ is soo slow :\ |
| 14:14.13 | zenzio | well, if it's slow but running, it's still a step up from some others |
| 14:14.41 | airtonix | pompy: a single t1.micro is enough right? |
| 14:15.14 | heliogabalo | i cant write cause im in the other partition now, but is somthing like:... |
| 14:15.14 | pompy | indeed |
| 14:15.14 | airtonix | seriously there is no excuse for slow when amazon have a ridicously easy to use opsworks |
| 14:15.48 | heliogabalo | ..."c:/windows/program_files/wow.exe" -console |
| 14:15.58 | airtonix | pompy: it's not even responding now |
| 14:16.02 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.10 | pompy | yeah i know, annoying! |
| 14:16.18 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.47 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.55 | bluipodcow | lol |
| 14:23.34 | foxlit | I'd say wowwiki isn't being maintained, but the actual situation is far worse |
| 14:24.20 | zenzio | worse? |
| 14:24.30 | foxlit | worse. |
| 14:24.35 | Ressy | half ass maintained, with poor info |
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| 14:25.56 | bluipodcow | Heh |
| 14:26.31 | bluipodcow | The wow pedia version if that page still reference the Ui kit |
| 14:26.33 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.45 | heliogabalo | I'm reviewing the link you've put me, is very interesting, the programing wow, I've added to my basket |
| 14:26.57 | bluipodcow | The out of date Ui kit you can't download |
| 14:27.30 | foxlit | you, um, can download it |
| 14:29.51 | foxlit | [but it is from 4.0. In any case, the link that follows that one is fine.] |
| 14:30.23 | airtonix | is bukkit.org run by curse? |
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| 14:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | has a mutter-grumble-cranky |
| 14:35.15 | foxlit | In any case, it's insanity to send people off to do console commands in an intro-to-development page. Just get a a framexml zip from github or something and move on; people can contend with their keyboard locales later. |
| 14:38.50 | heliogabalo | im afk for a while... stand by... |
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| 14:50.24 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle! Unkle unkleunkleunkleunkle! I maybe get walls in my office next year! *happydance* |
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| 14:50.54 | alestane | That's not such a mutter-grumble-cranky... |
| 14:51.59 | Fisker | your office doesn't have walls? |
| 14:52.12 | Lopeppeppy | I maybe broke my toe last night and I'm tired of "Obamacare" as a label instead of "national health care" and I want my military friends to get paid for doing their dangerous jobs. Those are for cranky. |
| 14:52.18 | foxlit | they keep Lopeppeppy in the basement, Fisker. |
| 14:52.29 | foxlit | next to the wine cellars. So close, and yet so far. |
| 14:52.40 | Lopeppeppy | So far.... |
| 14:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, it's a pretend cube farm - if the walls were lower we'd know it was a cube farm and people wouldn't blurt our their social security numbers where I could hear and memorize them. :) |
| 14:53.33 | Fisker | ah |
| 14:53.54 | Fisker | I don't need to memorize those anymore |
| 14:54.05 | Fisker | got access to the db |
| 14:54.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, they don't let me mess with the databases, so I have to listen. |
| 14:54.55 | Fisker | ;( |
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| 14:55.38 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with calling it obamacare Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:55.40 | Fisker | I found it strange when I was the only one at work with access and I'm a temp |
| 14:55.55 | Fisker | its dumb karl_w_w |
| 14:56.16 | nicoli_s | obama = bad, so people will begin to think public health care = bad care |
| 14:56.36 | Fisker | probably the same reason fox brings up hitlerjugend all the time |
| 14:56.42 | karl_w_w | but |
| 14:56.47 | karl_w_w | obama = good |
| 14:56.53 | karl_w_w | and health care = good |
| 14:56.59 | Lopeppeppy | It's not about him. It's not *his* dog, or *his* car, or *his* left shoe. It's a friggin' national health care plan for the country. Labeling it with a name is a political move. |
| 14:57.12 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:57.19 | karl_w_w | it was labelled by the people against it |
| 14:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | The people who don't want it use it as a pejorative - Obama sucks, his health care plan sucks too! |
| 14:57.41 | karl_w_w | so claim it for the good! |
| 14:58.01 | karl_w_w | you'll never change the name, so don't try and tell people the name is bad |
| 14:58.03 | Lopeppeppy | No. Keep your politics out of my bedroom and my health care. |
| 14:58.11 | Fisker | doesn't work like that |
| 14:58.23 | Lopeppeppy | Grrrrrrrr. Aaaarrrrrgh. And stuff. |
| 14:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway.... I maybe get walls next year, that's a nicer thought! |
| 14:58.59 | Fisker | want me to finish the job? |
| 14:59.11 | Fisker | *loads gun* |
| 14:59.15 | karl_w_w | mutant enemy? |
| 14:59.20 | Fisker | walls are nice |
| 14:59.37 | Fisker | then you can badmouth incompetent coworkers |
| 15:00.21 | karl_w_w | that Fisker is such a noob! |
| 15:02.49 | bluipodcow | Not Obama care |
| 15:02.54 | bluipodcow | Fisker care |
| 15:02.55 | Unkle1 | Lopeppeppy: Walls = good. |
| 15:03.10 | Fisker | fiskercare would be universally good |
| 15:03.13 | Unkle1 | If you get a door and can play music, even better. |
| 15:04.23 | Fisker | headphones Unkle1 |
| 15:05.41 | Unkle1 | Fisker: I think she's been told no 'phones in the past. |
| 15:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | I should have doors and everything! |
| 15:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | I could wear them in here, Unkle, but they hurt my head with my glasses, so their use is limited. It's a catch 22 circle - I use them when I'm really into what I'm doing, as a Do Not Disturb signal. |
| 15:06.58 | Unkle1 | Lopeppeppy: Most excellent. At the university, I kept my door closed as often as possible - it made getting work done an actual possibility. |
| 15:07.28 | Lopeppeppy | We might be put on the third floor, where there are only 5 offices - and 4 of us. We'd only have 1 other person to distract us. Heaven. |
| 15:07.48 | bluipodcow | Unkle1: I has donut |
| 15:07.57 | bluipodcow | Want one ? |
| 15:08.07 | Unkle1 | bluipodcow: But you eated it? |
| 15:08.47 | bluipodcow | Nope :3 |
| 15:09.25 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:09.45 | Fisker | Glasses with bone conduction then Lopeppeppy |
| 15:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | So cyborg! |
| 15:12.01 | Fisker | yeah |
| 15:12.15 | Fisker | You could probably get a music player for google glass |
| 15:12.59 | Unkle1 | Requires commercial availability and an app. Not sure you can get Glass without being a tester. |
| 15:13.42 | Unkle1 | There are however commercially available bone-conduction earphones. |
| 15:14.00 | Fisker | I'm sure Lopeppeppy could've won the competition to be a glass explorer |
| 15:14.11 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather explore a different glass... |
| 15:14.13 | Fisker | She always have great stories about idiots at work |
| 15:14.14 | Fisker | :D |
| 15:15.07 | Kalroth | too bad she works alone .. |
| 15:15.10 | airtonix | yeah, i wonder if the guys at notalwaysright.com applied for glass |
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| 15:15.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:17.03 | Unkle1 | Lopeppeppy: She takes a rum drink, she takes a whiskey drink... |
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| 15:19.05 | Unkle1 | So apparently the Galaxy Note III has a 5.7" screen, making it at least as large as medically average penis sizes. |
| 15:20.09 | Fisker | A vibrator is cheaper Unkle1 |
| 15:20.39 | Unkle1 | I'm just saying that there maybe some ... compensating ... happening here. |
| 15:21.01 | Fisker | Wouldn't it need to be bigger than the average penis size then? |
| 15:21.36 | Unkle1 | Average - as a substitute for mean - requires that a significant number fall below the "average." |
| 15:22.08 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:22.29 | Unkle1 | Subtle joke was apparently too subtle. |
| 15:23.19 | Fisker | maybe it wasn't |
| 15:37.12 | zenzelezz | Unkle1: "Is that a Galaxy Note III in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"? |
| 15:37.46 | Unkle1 | zenzelezz: nailed it. |
| 15:43.55 | karl_w_w | oh wow this tressfx hair in tomb raider looks so good |
| 15:44.08 | karl_w_w | shame my system can't really manage it |
| 15:44.18 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Upgrade, then. |
| 15:44.26 | karl_w_w | i just did :P |
| 15:44.36 | Torhal | You did it wrong! |
| 15:45.12 | karl_w_w | i have a 7870! |
| 15:45.36 | karl_w_w | there's like 3 cards on the market better than it for tressfx |
| 15:45.40 | Torhal | Excuses. |
| 15:45.47 | Torhal | Flip it, get better. |
| 15:45.48 | karl_w_w | and im not paying $400 for one of them |
| 15:46.28 | karl_w_w | it actually looks like real hair |
| 15:46.34 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed |
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| 15:46.46 | Shirik | I feel like I'm reading lisp when I read that message |
| 15:47.35 | Torhal | Shirik: Not enough parens. |
| 15:50.54 | karl_w_w | ooh i can have tressfx hair if I turn AA down to 2x ssaa. worth it. |
| 15:54.36 | Gnarfoz | not enough parents |
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| 16:44.16 | foxlit | pop quiz: do you know how to calculate the inverse of a 3x3 matrix? |
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| 16:44.35 | TC-Work | Invert the polarity. |
| 16:44.56 | foxlit | that's a -2, TC-Work. |
| 16:45.14 | TC-Work | :( |
| 16:46.30 | TC-Work | foxlit: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=inverse+3x3+matrix ? |
| 16:48.36 | foxlit | that picked an example matrix and inverted it; didn't actually tell you how to do it :) |
| 16:50.05 | foxlit | of course, "ask wolframalpha" might be a method, but then so is "ask this ti83 I have lying about"; neither is particularly helpful if those things are unavailable. |
| 16:50.27 | TC-Work | Yes, but if it told you how to do it.... |
| 16:50.45 | TC-Work | http://www.wikihow.com/Inverse-a-3X3-Matrix |
| 16:50.47 | TC-Work | lol |
| 16:52.42 | foxlit | there really should be a wikiwhy in addition to wikihow -- "why am I doing these things, and why do they work?" |
| 16:52.42 | TC-Work | foxlit: ^ |
| 16:53.22 | foxlit | For that matter, wikipedia's answer is a bit more succinct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_inverse#Inversion_of_3.C3.973_matrices |
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| 16:55.28 | TC-Work | Or possibly http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MatrixInverse.html |
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| 17:42.22 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/hHrU1Lw6 << whee. |
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| 17:44.27 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/aa.png << wow has an annoyingly selective approach to antialiasing. |
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| 17:50.21 | airtonix | foxlit: your brain isn't a particular uselful method either(if you've had a near fatal accident that leaves you near brain dead) |
| 17:51.14 | foxlit | airtonix: I seem to be unable to parse what you're saying. I'm sure it's something pleasant. |
| 17:51.41 | airtonix | i was merely pointing out that any method is not useful when it's not available. |
| 17:51.50 | airtonix | and nothing is sacred |
| 17:52.04 | zenzelezz | he's doing a "LEAVE WOW ANTI-ALIASING ALONE!"-video |
| 17:52.48 | airtonix | therefore anything can become useless and saying that a calculator or wolfram alpha isn't a particularly useful method of getting an answer is relative |
| 17:52.55 | airtonix | bleh |
| 17:53.26 | airtonix | but your right, i was actually doing a commentary on bunnies and rainbows |
| 17:54.46 | foxlit | ah, sorry, I thought you were replying to recent comments instead of hour-old ones. |
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| 17:55.29 | foxlit | not that that makes you any less of an ass, just a more coherent one. |
| 18:02.01 | Fisker | hugs foxlit :( |
| 18:30.24 | karl_w_w | looks like the republicans got their small government |
| 18:30.40 | nicoli_s | ? |
| 18:30.48 | karl_w_w | maybe a bit smaller than ideal though |
| 18:30.53 | nicoli_s | oh lol |
| 18:31.04 | nicoli_s | thought you meant dems agreed to kill ACA |
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| 18:32.58 | Maldivia | personally, I don't get how people can vote for people, who entire purpose for the last election, was to get voted in so they could shutdown government... sorry, you want to be in the government so you can stop it? isn't that kind of against everything democracy stands for? |
| 18:33.36 | nicoli_s | it is ridiculous that they still get paid when so many do not |
| 18:33.38 | pompy | http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/1/4791490/half-life-3-trademark-filed-in-europe |
| 18:33.40 | pompy | :O |
| 18:34.08 | TC-Work | As I understand it, they are voting the way they think their supporters want it. In this case, that killing obamacare is more important than keeping the govt. running. |
| 18:35.12 | Maldivia | TC-Work: no... a lot of the reps in house went into the 2010 election stating that they wanted to shutdown government... not becuase of obamacare, or anything else... they just said they wanted to shutdown |
| 18:35.55 | nicoli_s | helping people is bad |
| 18:36.07 | karl_w_w | the best part is obamacare continues through the shutdown |
| 18:36.16 | Maldivia | TC-Work: and they've been trying ever since... it just happened to succeed on a "case" regarding obamacare |
| 18:36.33 | karl_w_w | they've thrown the baby out and not the bathwater, from their perspective |
| 18:38.36 | Fisker | if the government is shut down why do they have a hotline? :( |
| 18:38.59 | Fisker | NASA Mission Control will continue supporting astronauts serving on the Space Station. |
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| 18:41.44 | Fisker | Hundreds of thousands of Federal employees including many charged with protecting us from terrorist threats, defending our borders, inspecting our food, and keeping our skies safe will work without pay until the shutdown ends. |
| 18:41.45 | Fisker | hey |
| 18:41.51 | Fisker | That's an argument for the shutdown! |
| 18:42.15 | Fisker | Must be a shitty contract though |
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| 18:42.19 | nicoli_s | thankfully americas army is still going |
| 18:42.23 | Fisker | "In case we can't pay you, you keep working" |
| 18:42.41 | nicoli_s | the video game that is, its made in the town i live in |
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| 18:44.01 | zenzelezz | isn't that in its third incarnation now? |
| 18:44.06 | zenzelezz | I remember the first one being released |
| 18:46.04 | nicoli_s | believe so |
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| 19:32.33 | Fisker | weee |
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| 19:40.58 | karl_w_w | nicoli_s did it I saw |
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| 19:43.49 | nicoli_s | i did what? |
| 19:44.07 | Fisker | hmm |
| 19:44.12 | Fisker | was it an IPv6 only netsplit |
| 19:44.15 | Fisker | ? |
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| 19:52.11 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: that'd mean it was either between a regular server and a server that only offers v6 to clients (not sure if one exists) or between two servers that are only connected by v6 (which I doubt exists) |
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| 20:15.47 | foxlit | Esamynn|work: <3 |
| 20:17.03 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: not that the thought isn't appreciated, but any particular reason? |
| 20:17.18 | foxlit | PLAYER_LOGIN. |
| 20:17.42 | Esamynn|work | ahh |
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| 20:18.52 | foxlit | haven't been able to replicate what he's talking about either. |
| 20:21.57 | Esamynn|work | honestly, if that were actually broken, I think we'd see a lot more problems |
| 20:22.48 | foxlit | really depends on the frequency. If the client only does that if you sacrifice a goat and do an interpretive dance, it might just slip by for a while. |
| 20:23.19 | Fisker | who reported the bug? airtonix ? |
| 20:25.28 | foxlit | there is stuff like http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10127672815 |
| 20:25.35 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/10/valve-registers-european-trademark-for-half-life-3/ |
| 20:25.50 | foxlit | or http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/opie/tickets/49-new-profiles-erasing-themselves-on-new-login/ |
| 20:27.41 | foxlit | I know that if you squint long and hard at the opie ticket, it kind of sort of looks like it might be caused by those events firing out of sequence, but it's a nightmare to get anything confirmed. |
| 20:40.39 | Neffi | Greatest invention ever? http://whatscookingamerica.net/Beverage/MokaPot2.jpg |
| 20:40.49 | Neffi | You can pack it with coffee and make a strong-ass cup |
| 20:41.22 | Grivvel | foxlit: There was that patch note in 5.3 or something about AddOn settings not being loaded if they're too big. Might it be that? |
| 20:41.29 | foxlit | 5.4 |
| 20:41.59 | Grivvel | Well, the point stands :P |
| 20:42.09 | foxlit | the symptoms would be rather different |
| 20:42.29 | foxlit | for one, you should get a nice error message on log in |
| 20:42.57 | Neffi | Also I was thinking. They should change SVs. Attempt to load the file. If all goes well, then load the addon next and pass the values via the `...` vararg. If the addon fails to load, it gets garbage-collected. |
| 20:42.58 | foxlit | for another, it shouldn't let you save your settings in this state -- it should be resetting itself constantly, not intermittently. |
| 20:43.30 | Grivvel | Right, but it's possible that some other AddOn is suppressing the message |
| 20:43.47 | Grivvel | And depending on what other programs they have running, it might sometimes run out of memory and other times not |
| 20:46.02 | foxlit | that's a lot of things that have to conspire to fail in the most horrible way possible |
| 20:48.13 | foxlit | networks connectivity between me and freenode is being horrible :/ |
| 20:48.53 | foxlit | (last message I currently have ends in "and other times not") |
| 20:50.15 | Grivvel | You're the only one who talked after that :) |
| 20:51.08 | Grivvel | foxlit: Is this something that a lot of people are seeing though? Or is it just this one guy? It doesn't seem that improbably that one user would have the specific set of circumstances to cause it |
| 20:51.20 | Grivvel | s/improbably/improbable |
| 20:51.44 | Fisker | I think its ipv6 foxlit |
| 20:51.51 | Fisker | I has issues too |
| 20:52.06 | foxlit | those are some very weird circumstances, though. You'd have to have an addon that hides that error message -- why would anyone do that? |
| 20:52.28 | Fisker | connectivity (not mental, well not relevant mental issues) |
| 20:52.34 | foxlit | Then, wow itself has to run out of memory -- as I understand it, the error is primarily due to memory space limitations on 32 bit systems; the OS should happily let you go into swap. |
| 20:54.05 | Grivvel | I agree that it's unlikely. But with however many million players, the chance that it happens to one player doesn't seem that small |
| 20:54.32 | foxlit | and my saved variables should really not be large enough to cause an issue -- at the moment, I had to make a 1GB SV file to trigger the out-of-memory behavior; there's no way it's getting anywhere past 10MB on the actual addon. |
| 20:54.41 | Grivvel | But that assumes that the one guy that had it happen knew how to use a bug tracker :P |
| 20:54.55 | Grivvel | Fair enough |
| 20:55.10 | foxlit | (the actual install base is probably closer to 15k rather than millions) |
| 20:56.00 | foxlit | but I guess what I should've done recently is catch that event and disable the configuration UI. |
| 21:00.27 | foxlit | so, to recap: it's possible, but it seems rather unlikely to me. And people reporting errors should clearly be available 24/7 to answer questions :P |
| 21:04.15 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: I'd be happy if they would just ANSWER questions |
| 21:04.17 | Esamynn|work | at all |
| 21:04.25 | Esamynn|work | (with useful information) |
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| 21:14.32 | TC-Work | Well that's odd, Quassel was all like "Don't want to be active anymore, lets close." |
| 21:14.36 | TC-Work | No damn reason. |
| 21:17.09 | Neffi | void this_crashes_the_program(); |
| 21:17.52 | foxlit | I once shipped something with an explicit *(NULL); |
| 21:18.12 | Neffi | I once shipped something with a foul word in the comments |
| 21:18.17 | Neffi | I know, I'm a badass |
| 21:18.30 | foxlit | Sorry for crashing Windows Explorer, guys :( |
| 21:19.01 | Neffi | It's OK. OPie makes up for it |
| 21:19.29 | TC-Work | Hah, if that was the case people would have had a hard time when the bot testing was going on |
| 21:19.32 | nicoli_s | thats why i love web dev |
| 21:19.39 | nicoli_s | when i fuck up i can just push new code and no one notices |
| 21:19.57 | Neffi | We notice. We just don't care as much. |
| 21:19.59 | foxlit | oh, we all notice. |
| 21:20.08 | Neffi | It's easier to close a web page and say "wtf is wrong with this developer?" |
| 21:20.13 | Neffi | =P |
| 21:20.16 | foxlit | http://wowpedia.org/Portal:Main << that logo is like a crooked painting. |
| 21:21.18 | karl_w_w | i once shipped something across boarders! :o |
| 21:22.28 | karl_w_w | something which could be used to manufacture nuclear weapons! (a stick of ram) |
| 21:26.30 | Neffi | Boarders? The book store? |
| 21:26.39 | Neffi | I hear their metal detectors are ridiculous |
| 21:29.22 | foxlit | the book store is also called borders. |
| 21:30.13 | Mr_Rabies | there's no way to search comments on curse, is there? |
| 21:31.06 | foxlit | probably not. You could try google with site: |
| 21:31.28 | nicoli_s | Mr_Rabies:nope |
| 21:31.43 | nicoli_s | we dont include comments in the search results |
| 21:31.53 | nicoli_s | well except for forum posts which are technically comments |
| 21:32.20 | foxlit | nicoli_s: why does your server spit out like 25 addon packs on each addon page, but your javascript only shows 5, ever, with no way to scroll through the others? |
| 21:33.51 | nicoli_s | which pages javascript? |
| 21:34.03 | foxlit | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/opie |
| 21:34.13 | foxlit | "Addon Packs Containing This..." |
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| 21:35.18 | nicoli_s | not sure |
| 21:35.24 | nicoli_s | ill pass it on to the devs though |
| 21:35.53 | TC-Work | interesting, that page is not resolving properly for me. I suspect it is on my side though |
| 21:36.40 | TC-Work | Hah, wherever you guys are hosting images is being flagged by barracuda as 'spam' |
| 21:36.57 | TC-Work | 'URL: http://media-curse.cursecdn.com' |
| 21:37.32 | nicoli_s | odd, its from our data center |
| 21:37.53 | TC-Work | yea, that url is being flagged as spam. Do you guys advertise from that url? |
| 21:38.10 | nicoli_s | some of the media for some of our ads might come from it |
| 21:39.05 | TC-Work | I'd take that up with them then since I think we are using their pre-gen lists. |
| 21:40.43 | nicoli_s | thx i passed it on to our IT team |
| 21:42.05 | nicoli_s | foxlit: i passed it onto the product manager, said itll prob get fixed up once we update curse.com to the latest version of our web framework |
| 21:42.52 | foxlit | for what it's worth, it's behaved that way for years now. |
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| 21:43.26 | nicoli_s | heh yeah i wrote it that way :P |
| 21:43.38 | nicoli_s | i havent worked on curse.com in years though |
| 21:44.36 | TC-Work | Yea, looks like it is lists generated by barracuda |
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| 21:45.58 | stdaro | do people talk about the web APIs here, in addition to UI dev? |
| 21:46.18 | TC-Work | People talk about everything here |
| 21:46.20 | nicoli_s | some people here have experience with it id imagine |
| 21:46.24 | TC-Work | Even things they should not. |
| 21:47.00 | stdaro | I'm just messing around with the AH JSON files, perl failed to parse them with some opaque error |
| 21:47.32 | stdaro | ruby is doing better so far, the default json module just runs my linode out of RAM for the big realms |
| 21:47.33 | nicoli_s | have you tried validating the json with jsonlint.com ? |
| 21:47.54 | stdaro | yajl works, and only uses like 100m to parse area 52's json, which is 15mb |
| 21:47.57 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/grand-theft-auto-online-launch-connection-problems-errors-support-faq/ |
| 21:48.33 | stdaro | as far as I can tell, the json is valid, but thanks for the tip, Ill see if I can feed a AH dump URL to that |
| 21:48.51 | nicoli_s | its super useful when working with json |
| 21:51.14 | stdaro | nicoli_s: yea. it did work, but chrome is _not_ happy about it. that tab is using .5GB lol |
| 21:51.39 | nicoli_s | wow |
| 21:51.50 | nicoli_s | thats alot of json |
| 21:52.26 | Mr_Rabies | wowhead tabs will skyrocket memory usage without adblock since they dynamically reload their ads on a timer |
| 21:53.26 | Neffi | I'm not familiar with Javascript, but garbage collection? |
| 21:55.21 | Neffi | Wow I feel robbed. The scaling on spellcaster heirlooms tuned crit back by the time I get Molten Armor. I thought "ooh, 5% free crit" and it only made up for what level scaling took away |
| 21:57.53 | fewyn | Mr_Rabies i assume that's in chrome or firefox? |
| 22:01.11 | nicoli_s | i didnt even think you were allowed to reload ads without user intervention like that |
| 22:01.35 | fewyn | not "allowed" allowed by who? |
| 22:01.55 | nicoli_s | ad sense |
| 22:02.33 | fewyn | wowhead doesn't use google? |
| 22:02.42 | fewyn | not everyone uses google |
| 22:02.54 | nicoli_s | regardless, always seemed like a shady tactic to me |
| 22:03.11 | fewyn | pretty much everyone does it now a days |
| 22:03.18 | fewyn | that isn't using google adsense |
| 22:03.31 | Mr_Rabies | chrome, fewyn, but it could have been fixed by now |
| 22:03.58 | fewyn | i'll check it out Mr_Rabies |
| 22:04.11 | Mr_Rabies | i now use adblock globally because ads are such a security risk |
| 22:06.08 | nicoli_s | TC-Work:thx again for your help, barricuda is fixing the problem |
| 22:06.30 | nicoli_s | should update everywhere in 12-24 hours they said |
| 22:06.54 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/Warcraft/posts/10151843223439034 warcraft movie official announcement |
| 22:07.31 | Neffi | Not just a security risk, but a performance impact and a damn nuisance. As soon as people stop using shitty flash ads with video and sound, I'll agree to allow their ads through |
| 22:08.12 | TC-Work | nicoli_s: Sure. |
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| 22:12.32 | pompy | "Rock Paper Shotgun uses cookies. For some reason we are now obliged to notify you of this fact. Not that you care. More info here." |
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| 22:16.36 | Neffi | New EU regulation |
| 22:17.02 | Neffi | I came across a site that informed me of cookies. It provided a link to said regulation. I didn't save it though. |
| 22:20.04 | Neffi | pompy: I like the top comment there: "Is this a legit 18/12/2015 or a Blizzard 18/12/2015?" |
| 22:23.35 | Clamsoda | Hi, Neffi. |
| 22:25.02 | Arrowmaster | is that an Old Blizzard 18/12/2015 or a New Blizzard 18/12/2015 |
| 22:25.17 | Esamynn|work | the difference being? |
| 22:25.43 | Arrowmaster | on 17/12/2015 Old Blizzard would announce it wasnt ready and has been delayed |
| 22:25.55 | Neffi | Hello Sir Mollusc |
| 22:26.15 | Arrowmaster | New Blizzard would release it on 18/12/2015 but it would include a bunch of stuff marked WIP and TODO |
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| 22:35.01 | Neffi | Is it morally questionable to offer addon development in exchange for game time? |
| 22:39.38 | Cairenn | It breaks Blizz's addon policy |
| 22:40.28 | Neffi | Strongly recommended donation? lol |
| 22:40.39 | Cairenn | ... |
| 22:40.50 | TC-Work | Wouldn't it be like hiring someone to make an addon for you? I thought you just couldn't sell them. |
| 22:40.52 | Neffi | >_> |
| 22:41.12 | Neffi | That's what I figured, but I knew it's still a grey area |
| 22:41.14 | Cairenn | *nod* It would depend on how it's handled |
| 22:41.36 | Neffi | But I feel a little wrong even asking for it. Then again if I sink a solid week into constant development, I'm pretty much the worst paid software developer in the world |
| 22:42.44 | Neffi | I mean if I work 10 hours a day for 7 days writing and testing it, I'm making under 25 cents a day (tax incl) |
| 22:42.55 | Neffi | 25 cents an hour* |
| 22:43.18 | Cairenn | But you aren't required to do it. It isn't your 'real' job. |
| 22:43.45 | Neffi | That's true |
| 22:43.46 | Cairenn | If you don't want to spend the time, unless you get compensation, then you just don't do it. |
| 22:44.04 | Cairenn | And if you are doing it strictly to get paid for it, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. |
| 22:44.47 | Neffi | I would continue to develop and support it after I release it. I'd mainly be doing it as a means to an end, since I might not necessarily have any interest in using the addon I'm making |
| 22:44.50 | Cairenn | If someone comes to you and says "hey, I want X addon made and I'm willing to pay you to do it", that's fine. If you go "I'll make X addon, but only if people pay me to do it/use it", that's not |
| 22:45.27 | Cairenn | As always, though, IANAL and IANABE |
| 22:48.28 | Neffi | I did figure if I got to work writing some of the ideas I've got in the back of my mind - large scale addons that might be widely used - I'd probably get a few donations |
| 22:48.34 | Neffi | But WoWI's donation button is broken |
| 22:48.44 | Neffi | =/ |
| 22:49.29 | Cairenn | Link it in your description for now. I'll look at getting the popup fixed when I get back (leaving town for a few days, starting tomorrow). |
| 22:54.20 | foxlit | generally speaking, curse's author rewards dwarf donations by a factor of "it's not even funny" |
| 22:54.58 | Neffi | Curse has author rewards? |
| 22:57.16 | ZorbaBeta | I think it depends on how you go about getting donations |
| 22:57.23 | foxlit | http://www.curseforge.com/wiki/knowledge-base/store/author-reward-points/ |
| 22:57.25 | ZorbaBeta | when I was doing QH, curse author rewards were a nice extra bonus at most |
| 22:58.31 | foxlit | and unicorns roamed the glades :) |
| 22:58.50 | foxlit | [I'm sorry that metaphor sucks -- the implication should be that it's been a while, not that it's not true] |
| 23:00.08 | ZorbaBeta | it has, though unless curse author rewards have *massively* increased, I doubt much has changed. I just had several techniques to get people to the home page |
| 23:00.33 | foxlit | wasn't that even before the addon policy? |
| 23:00.50 | ZorbaBeta | slightly before, but the addon policy showed up quickly. even after the addon policy donations were the vast majority of the income |
| 23:04.04 | foxlit | May also depend on what your addon does. If you require constant updates to make it useful in each patch, there might be a greater motivation for people to donate. |
| 23:04.10 | foxlit | Perverse incentives, that. |
| 23:04.57 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, if I were trying to get money off an addon, I'd make sure to do weekly updates and I'd have some kind of data-reporting feature that I encouraged people to make use of |
| 23:05.18 | ZorbaBeta | both of those get people to your site, and that's where you can ask for donations |
| 23:05.58 | foxlit | And if I were designing an addon, I'd make it update silently in the background. |
| 23:08.10 | foxlit | wow should clearly join valve's hat economy. Then Neffi could be paid in trading cards. :P |
| 23:10.15 | Neffi | I would definitely keep up updates |
| 23:10.37 | Neffi | I'd consider updating old open-source addons that were massively out of touch with the current API |
| 23:12.23 | foxlit | I could gift trading cards to people who write decent error reports. |
| 23:13.11 | Neffi | lol |
| 23:13.15 | Neffi | Now that's an incentive |
| 23:13.22 | foxlit | $0.10 is a much saner amount to randomly throw at people than the current pet store pets |
| 23:18.36 | Neffi | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/kQSlvYr |
| 23:19.37 | Torhal | Neffi: https://www.curseforge.com/store/ |
| 23:23.39 | Sintacks | hmm. i don't have /in in my lite ui :| |
| 23:23.42 | Sintacks | gay |
| 23:24.30 | foxlit | Meh, do without? |
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| 23:43.47 | karl_w_w | oh look |
| 23:44.24 | karl_w_w | warcraft movie only 2 years 2.5 months away |
| 23:44.54 | karl_w_w | christmas release, so they obviously expect it to do well |
| 23:44.59 | karl_w_w | (sarcasm) |
| 23:48.17 | Mr_Rabies | it's being directed by david bowie's son |
| 23:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | i've got some hope |
| 23:48.37 | Mr_Rabies | Zowie Bowie |
| 23:49.41 | Neffi | Sintacks: I wrote an /in addon a while ago. Let me update it. I'll report it. |
| 23:49.43 | Neffi | Repost it |
