| 00:00.18 | Neffi | This is actually a pretty cool idea for a service https://ifttt.com |
| 00:00.35 | Neffi | err, better link https://ifttt.com/wtf |
| 00:00.55 | Amarande | ah, DNSChanger was the name |
| 00:01.10 | xyphoid | ifttt is pretty cool - I like services like that and yahoo pipes |
| 00:01.54 | Neffi | I'm trying to think of a reason to use ifttt, but I can't |
| 00:02.05 | Amarande | interesting. |
| 00:02.10 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure what I would use it for as well |
| 00:02.18 | Amarande | I do hope they don't run afoul of the problem Blizzard had with D3, either |
| 00:02.26 | Amarande | with the text messaging bit of things |
| 00:03.18 | Amarande | It took me a long time to find out wtf was with the US-specific near prohibition of prepaid cell phones for SMS Protect (since I would LOVE to go to a prepaid cell, I really don't like paying AT&T $125 a month :P) |
| 00:03.35 | xyphoid | autostoring stuff in dropbox is a pretty good example |
| 00:03.52 | Amarande | apparently, there are some kind of federal regulations about sending automated text messages like SMS Protect does, I wonder if IFTTT would have a problem with it too :| |
| 00:04.06 | Neffi | I don't have a smartphone anymore, so my only computing device in my laptop that I use as a desktop |
| 00:04.19 | Neffi | I mean I could find uses for this, but none that I could use anytime soon |
| 00:04.44 | Amarande | it appears to be meant to protect prepaid cell users from having all their credits drained by spammed texts, but it also means that certain services are unable to send to those phones |
| 00:05.05 | Neffi | Amarande: Since you're setting up a service specifically with the intent of sending yourself texts, you should be fine. If you use it to spam others, then you'll have a problem. |
| 00:05.43 | Amarande | and like sms protect, ifttt looks to be on a triggered basis (this was the reason why mobile authenticator didn't have an issue with prepaids, but sms protect did ... mobile auth was always "do this thing perfectly under your control, get a text" while sms protect sends texts in response to conditions NOT necessarily under the user's control) |
| 00:06.07 | Neffi | OH GOD THEY CAN READ NOW http://i.imgur.com/za0jF.gif |
| 00:06.36 | Amarande | Neffi: you *should* be, but the regulations apparently say otherwise, hence SMS Protect not being able to work with many prepaid providers (US specific) |
| 00:07.09 | Neffi | I wonder if it has issues with prepaid unlimited plans |
| 00:07.15 | Amarande | that I'm not sure |
| 00:07.22 | Amarande | apparently it has all kinds of random issues though |
| 00:07.22 | Neffi | Like the $2/day unlimited text/minute plans from AT^T |
| 00:07.26 | Amarande | since it's tied to a number |
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| 00:07.44 | Amarande | and actually, it will work fine with AT&T and T-Mobile prepaids, say (it looks that any prepaid from a provider that's also a postpaid provider works) |
| 00:08.19 | Amarande | but the tying to the number has been known to cause all kinds of strange issues due to database update lag ... people actually had to ask AT&T for new numbers because of it |
| 00:08.56 | Amarande | (apparently, once a number has been a prepaid or a VOIP number, even if it's ported to a postpaid provider later the enforcement DBs can still flag it as being so for as long as a decade) |
| 00:09.53 | Amarande | plus, I'm not sure who a number goes "back" to once it's relinquished, wouldn't be surprised if it stays allocated to the most recent provider rather than going back to the original one |
| 00:10.07 | Amarande | so someone else can get stuck with that number and the same problem too even on a fresh account, I imagine |
| 00:10.33 | Amarande | Neffi: bleh, why don't I have one of those plans ... or do they not include data? |
| 00:10.51 | Amarande | the whole reason I pay so much is so I can have unlimited texts and unlimited minutes |
| 00:10.57 | Neffi | The AT&T one is really shitty sub-3G data at like $.14 a minute |
| 00:11.02 | Amarande | bleh. |
| 00:11.13 | Amarande | yeah that would kill me :p |
| 00:11.16 | Neffi | And they don't allow you to use it with a smartphone, but if you're lucky you can switch out the SIM |
| 00:11.28 | Amarande | plus I have an android |
| 00:12.00 | Neffi | It's really sad that there's no viable way to have a good smartphone AND acceptable 4G data without spending an arm and a leg |
| 00:12.28 | Amarande | Neffi: nexus 4 + t-mobile, perhaps? |
| 00:12.48 | Neffi | Perhaps. I've never had T-Mobile |
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| 00:13.09 | Amarande | or get your smartphone unlocked at the end of contract and then get one of the prepaid sim providers for it |
| 00:13.16 | Amarande | pity you can't unlock them yourself anymore, apparently you go to jail for that now :| |
| 00:13.48 | Neffi | Murrica: the land of freedom |
| 00:13.55 | Amarande | especially pity since AT&T's unlocking procedure is stupid. I once tried to have my old HTC Inspire unlocked so I could give it to the fiancee |
| 00:14.19 | Neffi | I can get more time in jail for unlocking a smartphone or giving away torrented copies of movies than for aggravated assault |
| 00:14.27 | Amarande | call AT&T? get put on hold for 40 minutes and then get someone who thinks you mean unlock the PIN for a recovered phone, then when they realise what you mean you're told it has to go through *third tier*, who will call you back, and never did |
| 00:14.39 | Amarande | go to the AT&T store? nope, they don't do it in the AT&T store |
| 00:15.02 | Amarande | you have to go through the web form (which is obfuscated terribly at first, because you use the same form for all phones, but it says "unlock your iPhone" ...) and put in a ticket |
| 00:15.06 | Amarande | ... which they never got back to me on :P |
| 00:15.26 | Neffi | IMO if the law's gonna favor them the way it does, it should be illegal for them to not provide the unlocking service in-store once your contract is up |
| 00:16.23 | Amarande | not that the phone was all that great anyway, my fiancee just really needed a new phone at the time and I happened to have it |
| 00:16.32 | Amarande | it actually had a smashed screen, which is why I got my S2 Skyrocket when I did anyway :P |
| 00:16.50 | Amarande | dropped a Corsair PSU on it, corner first, yay LOL |
| 00:17.17 | Amarande | PSU was okay though, Corsairs are built like tanks |
| 00:18.17 | Neffi | If a PSU broke from a fall from a few feet, I'd be seriously worried about the quality of that PSU |
| 00:18.31 | Amarande | heh, I would too |
| 00:18.41 | Amarande | I don't skimp on PSUs though, Corsair is my go-to brand for them now |
| 00:18.53 | Amarande | although I refuse to buy their RAM anymore |
| 00:19.00 | Neffi | Corsair is great |
| 00:19.04 | Neffi | For PSUs at least |
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| 00:19.25 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I had three pairs of 2x4GB Corsair XMS3, all of them the exact same spec, only difference was this "version number" thing |
| 00:19.28 | Neffi | Enermax, Seasonic and others are just as good though. If I'm unfamiliar with a PSU, I hit up jonnyguru |
| 00:19.41 | Amarande | ANY ONE pair would work fine, ANY TWO pairs would cause massive errors, and it didn't matter which were chosen |
| 00:20.11 | Neffi | Well it's typical for RAM manufacturers to OEM from a bunch of different sources, even with the same model/brand of RAM |
| 00:20.16 | Amarande | I never did figure out what the problem was. It might have been voltage, especially since the XMS3 seems iffy ... they list the 2 DIMM kits as 1.5V, but the 4 DIMM kits of the very same spec are 1.65V |
| 00:20.24 | Amarande | yeah, but as long as each pair is a matched pair it should be fine |
| 00:20.29 | Amarande | it was always the case in previous rigs |
| 00:20.42 | Neffi | Eg, G.Skill Trident X is probably OEMed from at least 3-4 places and each individual kit might be a different type of RAM inside |
| 00:20.44 | Amarande | betcha the RAM malfunctioned because 4 DIMMs don't work with 1.5V |
| 00:20.57 | Amarande | eventually I just went and got a pair of Crucial like I should have to begin with |
| 00:21.18 | Amarande | used to like Kingston too, but I'm a little sad about them now, looking at some of their specs |
| 00:21.31 | Neffi | I prefer G.Skill, but none of the big companies produce their own RAM anyway |
| 00:21.39 | Amarande | e.g., Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1866 is 1.5V. Kingston DDR3-1866 is 1.65V, which is a RAM spec term that translates roughly to "shit" |
| 00:21.54 | Neffi | Whether you're hitting up Kingston, Patriot, GSkill, Mushkin, etc you're probably getting identical RAM, just colored differentlyu |
| 00:22.06 | Neffi | Warranty and price are what you really get when you choose one over the other |
| 00:22.08 | Amarande | actually I believe Crucial is exclusively Micron sourced, it's actually a branch of Micron |
| 00:22.31 | Neffi | That may be |
| 00:22.34 | Amarande | which probably also explains why the cheap stuff is often pretty bad. most of the actual chip makers *do* make their own DIMMs as well |
| 00:22.39 | Amarande | which means everyone else probably gets the dregs |
| 00:23.07 | Amarande | e.g., the good Micron batches aren't going to be in third-party RAM, because they'll have been used to make Crucial |
| 00:23.30 | Neffi | Doesn't mean good Micron batches are inherently better than good Hynix batches |
| 00:23.56 | Amarande | I'm finding it a little sad that I'm going to have to ditch this mobo to upgrade my CPU meaningfully though |
| 00:24.06 | Neffi | If you want fast RAM, that's the incentive for buying RAM that's "pre-overclocked". If it's marketed as 2000 MHz @ 10-10-10 then it's guaranteed to hit that or you can RMA it |
| 00:24.09 | Neffi | And may hit higher |
| 00:24.13 | Amarande | Been considering giving FF14 a whirl at some point but I'm told it will totally thrash a Phenom II, even a Thuban |
| 00:24.30 | Neffi | Get a Haswell =) |
| 00:25.02 | Amarande | (though I could give the benchmark a try ... I used up too much bandwidth this month trying to get SW:TOR to work last week and giving up and going back to WoW to want to download anything else big though, and it's 2.6GB just for the bench, heh) |
| 00:25.40 | Amarande | thinking of it. |
| 00:25.52 | Amarande | apparently, none of the FX processors are really that big an upgrade from the Thuban, oddly enough |
| 00:26.04 | Neffi | Haswell is a beautiful chip: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture |
| 00:26.09 | Neffi | I enjoyed reading that |
| 00:26.21 | Amarande | I looked at the FX-6200 and FX-6300 both on a CPU benchmark comparison site and they actually are *at best* only the barest of upgrade |
| 00:26.23 | Neffi | Yeah Bulldozer wasn't anything special |
| 00:26.32 | Neffi | Unless you need to go cheap, I'd stick to Intel TBH. |
| 00:26.37 | Amarande | heh, plus you need an aftermarket fan with the 6200 |
| 00:26.50 | Amarande | otherwise pretty much the reason why it's called bulldozer is because the fan sounds like one |
| 00:27.17 | Amarande | The 6350 and the 8 series look to all require me to upgrade to a *beta* BIOS version, meanwhile |
| 00:27.36 | Neffi | I wouldn't invest money in any AMD CPU right now |
| 00:27.52 | Amarande | Haswell means finding $500 in the budget, though, which won't be the case for a while |
| 00:28.07 | Amarande | if I'm going Haswell I'm going i7, that's $300+, plus another $100-$150 or so to budget for a decent mobo |
| 00:28.13 | Amarande | plus the cost of two-day shipping because of stupid smartpost :( |
| 00:28.19 | Neffi | Why? |
| 00:28.27 | Neffi | What do you do besides gaming? |
| 00:28.39 | Amarande | not much that's especially demanding |
| 00:28.47 | Neffi | Then all you need is an i5 |
| 00:28.50 | Neffi | Grab a 4660k |
| 00:29.02 | Amarande | Even the i5 though would be $200+, plus another $100-$150 or so to budget for a decent mobo, plus 2-day shipping, so that's still about $400 |
| 00:29.14 | Amarande | I'll think about it maybe in spring after I'm done with expensive vacationing for a while |
| 00:29.16 | Neffi | It's the same chip, with HT disabled |
| 00:29.25 | Amarande | Or maybe if I get decent Christmas present money |
| 00:29.54 | Amarande | as for why 2-day shipping, that's because the big sellers basically ALL drank the smartpost kool-aid :( |
| 00:30.14 | Amarande | and I don't care to have to worry about whether it will take two days or two months heh |
| 00:30.24 | Neffi | damn |
| 00:30.38 | Amarande | yeah. basically get standard shipping with anyone big anymore and you're getting FedEx Smartpost delivery |
| 00:30.52 | Amarande | which pretty much combines the slowest aspects of FedEx and the USPS to minimise the cost |
| 00:31.24 | Amarande | I haven't *YET* had anything take weeks, but there's plenty of folks who have, and I've also not received all that many Smartpost packages in general yet, so small sample size |
| 00:31.35 | bleeter | not that I've seen the video, but apparently someone's worked out how to drive the iPhone 5S fingerprint scanner using their cock |
| 00:31.45 | bleeter | and I ain't talking poultry |
| 00:31.46 | Neffi | ... |
| 00:31.48 | Amarande | bleeter: heh, rule 34 strikes again |
| 00:31.52 | Neffi | cluck cluck? |
| 00:32.10 | Neffi | Well that's a PC way to use your smartphone in public |
| 00:32.18 | Amarande | speaking of which there needs to be a new rule number allocated, related to rule 34 |
| 00:32.27 | Neffi | rule 35 |
| 00:32.31 | Neffi | if it doesn't exist, it will be made |
| 00:32.32 | Amarande | it's long been known that if you can imagine it, there's adult entertainment of it |
| 00:32.41 | Amarande | the slightly similar, less racy one: |
| 00:32.46 | Amarande | if you can imagine it, there's probably a reddit of it |
| 00:34.22 | Amarande | seriously, I start to wonder if there is anything there *isn't* a reddit of, heh |
| 00:34.38 | Iriel | Amarande: I had something shipped smartpost take weeks. |
| 00:34.47 | Amarande | Iriel: exactly, that's why I'm not keen on having stuff come smartpost |
| 00:35.07 | Amarande | I'd like to have some reliability as to when it will show, hence needing to budget extra when I get any upgrades now for the 2-day |
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| 00:35.28 | Amarande | although with some places (amazon especially) I even need to go for overnight apparently, since 2-day can be priority mail |
| 00:35.38 | Amarande | even without the smartpost delays I've always hated getting my packages USPS |
| 00:36.14 | Amarande | I live in the sticks, where the post office is only open for package pickup about 2 hours a day, and it's usually hours that I have to be at work, so depending on my day off and whether I can get a family member to go get it for me, USPS can add up to an extra week |
| 00:36.52 | Amarande | UPS and FedEx come to the home, but USPS will not, even if it's got my street address on it it still goes to the PO Box |
| 00:36.54 | Iriel | I tend to get stuff delivered to work |
| 00:37.03 | Iriel | But many folks dont have that option |
| 00:37.06 | Amarande | also sucks because I basically can't get any MIRs due to that :( |
| 00:38.17 | Amarande | that I've never tried, I'm not sure what the receiving department would do if I did that |
| 00:38.48 | Amarande | not a matter of mistrust, I know my coworkers quite well, more a matter of "would it actually get to me or get sent back as an unauthorised delivery" |
| 00:39.42 | Amarande | Iriel: also don't get Amazon Prime |
| 00:39.54 | Amarande | I've read that the free 2-day shipping now results in your package going Smartpost *barf* |
| 00:40.15 | Iriel | My office has an official "you can get stuff delivered, please use common sense" policy |
| 00:40.34 | Neffi | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/GRsFN |
| 00:40.51 | Amarande | Here it'd probably depend on whether they went to Receiving or to the courtesy desk. Courtesy desk would most likely take it, Receiving would probably think it was an unauthorised vendor delivery and send it back :| |
| 00:41.46 | Amarande | Of course, the courtesy desk might not handle it with appropriate care, and computer equipment's usually fragilley :) |
| 00:42.10 | Amarande | wait, is it "what's Fragilley mean" or "what's Fragheelay mean", heh |
| 00:42.41 | Amarande | which is another failing of the USPS, they seem to damage packages more than anyone else :P |
| 00:44.06 | Amarande | yeah, Bing doesn't ding for me |
| 00:44.19 | Amarande | I actually took the Bing/Google test thing that they had in those advertisements, Google won handily |
| 00:44.27 | Amarande | (although I think I did actually pick Bing ONCE, and tied once out of the five) |
| 00:45.57 | Amarande | BTW, is the Haswell GPU good enough to play WoW well? |
| 00:49.11 | Neffi | Define well |
| 00:49.20 | Neffi | I play it on a Sandy Bridge notebook chip, but at low-medium |
| 00:49.25 | Neffi | And at 1366x768 |
| 00:49.27 | Amarande | like, decent enough to play the game comfortably without ugliness or getting thrashed during LFR |
| 00:49.31 | Neffi | So Haswell should be a big step up from that |
| 00:49.37 | Amarande | especially considering that I plan to level a maintank soon |
| 00:49.50 | Amarande | and apparently the main tank gets the worst FPS of all when raiding due to being at ground zero of all the GFX |
| 00:52.09 | Amarande | I was considering whether I might be able to build an ultra-compact gaming box, or whether the need for graphics still scotches that idea (because the super-small cases don't have the room for a full size card like a discrete GPU) |
| 00:53.42 | Amarande | it'll be nice when we can viably build an itx gaming box |
| 00:53.58 | Amarande | no more having to keep a big tower around |
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| 02:34.20 | Amarande | dammit. must stop looking at high end gaming rig components :| |
| 02:35.29 | Iriel | hehe |
| 02:35.41 | Iriel | I try to limit my exposure unless i'm actually preparing to replace a machine |
| 02:35.48 | Amarande | I'm starting to catch the LGA2011 bug :| |
| 02:36.07 | Amarande | and I really oughtn't budget for that kind of stuff, I have a move and a wedding to save up for in the next few years |
| 02:36.55 | Amarande | but apparently if I want a really big CPU upgrade, it warrants going to good intel stuff at least |
| 02:37.26 | Amarande | none of the really good AMD CPUs work in this board, and if I'm going to get a new mobo I might as well go intel, then the thought goes, if I go Intel I might as well go either i7-4770 or LGA 2011 |
| 02:37.43 | Amarande | I need to win the lotto. :P |
| 02:42.26 | Neffi | Why in hell would you buy LGA2011? |
| 02:42.54 | Neffi | If I hit the lotto right now I'd still go LGA1150. Haswell has had a lot of improvements to the core. |
| 02:43.17 | Amarande | Yeah, LGA 2011 probably won't be in the budget at all heh |
| 02:43.31 | Amarande | the mobos are all pretty expensive, and the only really affordable CPU for it is the 3820 which is kinda long in the tooth |
| 02:43.43 | Neffi | The only reason Ivy Bridge E (the new 2011 chips) came out is because the Xeon space expects at least 2 generations out of a socket, so they needed to release IB-E Xeon variants anyway |
| 02:43.43 | Amarande | probably more likely to go with the i7-4770 or maybe haswell i5 eventually |
| 02:44.09 | Neffi | They have worse per-core performance than Haswell, and the extra 2 cores barely makes up for it in synthetic benchmarks, let alone real world use |
| 02:44.41 | Neffi | My dream build would be a i7-4770k with dual GTX Titans |
| 02:45.08 | Amarande | Unless you OC, the K is worse than the regular 4770 if I understand right |
| 02:45.14 | Amarande | they take certain features out of the K |
| 02:45.15 | Neffi | Define worse |
| 02:45.25 | Neffi | The only thing they take out is virtualized directed I/O |
| 02:45.41 | Neffi | Which if you actually need, you aren't overclocking because stability > everything |
| 02:45.49 | Neffi | (Workstation use) |
| 02:46.20 | Neffi | And tbh if you're building a desktop machine with a premier Intel CPU and NOT overclocking, you're a dolt |
| 02:46.24 | Amarande | also, can you get significant OC out of the K with a fan style heatsink or do you have to use the dreaded liquid cooling? |
| 02:46.36 | Amarande | I'm always a little bit scared of liquid cooling :| |
| 02:46.42 | Neffi | People are reporting ~4.4 GHz is the boundary for air cooling on Haswell |
| 02:46.50 | Neffi | Which is not at all insignificant |
| 02:47.24 | Neffi | If you use something like a Corsair H100i and put actually decent fans on it, you could probably push to 4.6 GHz |
| 02:47.34 | Amarande | Actually, after my travails of the last year or so, stability tends to > everything for me, too |
| 02:47.42 | Neffi | Most people don't put out the extra $20 for good fans because they don't know better |
| 02:48.00 | Neffi | Then don't overclock aggressively |
| 02:48.04 | Amarande | the whole episode with a bad DVD drive installing corrupted Windows files kinda kicked all the wind out of my "fail and try again" sails as far as computer tech goes :P |
| 02:48.32 | Neffi | Whether your chip is stable at 4.6 GHz or not is a matter of running some stability tests |
| 02:48.40 | Amarande | DDR3-1866 okay in Haswell, btw? |
| 02:48.45 | Neffi | A few hours of tweaking for significantly more performance over stock is worth it |
| 02:49.02 | Neffi | Haswell runs 1600 by default. Your motherboard overclocks the RAM. |
| 02:49.14 | Neffi | You should be able to run more than 2200 MHz with a good motherboard |
| 02:50.01 | Neffi | But honestly that extra RAM bandwidth is never going to get saturated on a gaming setup with a discrete GPU(s). |
| 02:50.27 | Neffi | If I could afford it I'd probably use 2400+ MHz RAM for the fuck of it, but CPU clock and tight RAM timings trumps all |
| 02:50.47 | Amarande | Hrm, also looks like Haswell requires slightly different coolers |
| 02:50.54 | Amarande | the Zalman I was looking at does not specify LGA 1150 |
| 02:50.58 | Neffi | Most coolers should be compatible |
| 02:51.16 | Neffi | I'd recommend something like the Corsair H80i or H100i honestly |
| 02:51.21 | Neffi | They outperform all classic air coolers |
| 02:51.41 | Neffi | If you're trying to save money but still get good cooling, always check Frostytech |
| 02:51.48 | Neffi | They keep an updated list of the best coolers |
| 02:52.28 | Neffi | One thing about Haswell is the integrated VRM adds heat. It's not an issue with a good cooler, but don't expect it to run cold. |
| 02:53.42 | Iriel | I have an H100 in my windows machine, it's been totally nuisance free |
| 02:53.45 | Neffi | Another point, most good heatsink manufacturers will release new brackets when new chipsets come out. If it doesn't list compatibility for 1150, try contacting them |
| 02:54.30 | Neffi | From what I've seen it doesn't take long before thye start including the new brackets in the new shipments of existing coolers |
| 02:54.42 | Amarande | is liquid cooling actually as scary as it sounds, btw? |
| 02:55.02 | Amarande | I keep thinking it means "one stroke of ill luck and you're forking over another half grand + for another rig" |
| 02:55.11 | Neffi | I've never done it, and I don't see myself ever doing it unless I strike it rich |
| 02:55.30 | Neffi | It seems like a pain in the ass. I'd really only get into it if I got bored one day and decided to start a project |
| 02:55.50 | Iriel | It's a sealed unit, heatsink and fans at the top of the case, heatsink/pump on the CPU |
| 02:56.05 | Neffi | A good custom loop will trump the cooling potential of a closed-loop system like the H100(i), but if you're within a comfortable thermal region anyway what's the point? |
| 02:56.41 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: I have the H110 and the same. No issues whatsoever. |
| 02:57.26 | Amarande | right now I'm looking at this as a potential for Haswell: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8340647&Sku=Z20-1207 |
| 02:57.38 | Neffi | I'd rather stick with air cooling (with a closed loop H100i) and spend the extra few bucks on good fans and a good case -- and most importantly, put thought into how I set up those fans |
| 02:57.56 | Neffi | A lot of people neglect the last part, and then shoot down air cooling as useless because of it |
| 02:58.21 | Neffi | It's not difficult to hit high clocks on CPU+GPU with fans |
| 02:58.46 | Neffi | Amarande: For what you're paying, hell no |
| 02:58.57 | Neffi | http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSINK |
| 02:59.20 | Neffi | There are cheaper heatsinks that are better. Look at those and choose. |
| 03:00.19 | Amarande | Iriel: yeah, mostly I'm wondering how fragile the water tubing is |
| 03:00.36 | Amarande | like, whether transporting the machine or the like poses a significant risk of breakage and dead computerage |
| 03:00.36 | Neffi | Amarande: If you're actually looking to build something soon, let me know. I love picking out parts and shit. If you'd like, I'll look over your preliminary build and make some suggestions. |
| 03:00.47 | Neffi | But right now Breaking Bad just finished torrenting, so I'm AFK for an hour |
| 03:00.51 | Amarande | Probably not till next year sometime at least. |
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| 03:02.43 | Neffi | If the timing lines up right, Broadwell might be out. You'd have the choice of having a cooler/lower-power version of Haswell, or potentially 2 extra cores, or just picking up a Haswell chip at a reduced price |
| 03:03.40 | Neffi | The die shrinks generally don't improve the core design, so you can pick up the "old" chip used for cheap from somebody who needlessly upgraded |
| 03:04.07 | Iriel | Amarande: the tubes feel sturdy enough, but who knows. |
| 03:04.48 | Iriel | http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/images/2012-05-11-NewMachine/MotherboardCpu.jpg |
| 03:05.38 | Amarande | Neffi: also, any word on what the Haswell-E socket is going to be like? I hear it won't be the same as LGA 2011 gear |
| 03:05.43 | Neffi | If you like dreaming about new hardware like I do, you might like this article |
| 03:05.43 | Neffi | http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture |
| 03:05.46 | Neffi | Read from page 5 on |
| 03:05.59 | Neffi | They did a really great runthrough of the changes Haswell brought to the table in terms of core design |
| 03:06.23 | Neffi | They will not be LGA-2011. I havent looked into it yet, because it's too early. Any info you find this early is always incorrect. |
| 03:07.27 | Neffi | There's also a pair of articles I read that I think ANY computer enthusiast that's interested in building their own machine should read |
| 03:07.35 | Neffi | First one: http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking |
| 03:07.41 | Neffi | Second: http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus |
| 03:07.44 | Neffi | Really great reads |
| 03:08.04 | Neffi | On why normal gaming benchmarks are absolutely meaningless, why benchmarking is hard, and what really matters for CPU and GPU performance in games |
| 03:08.24 | Neffi | It also has the side effect of convincing you to go Intel =) |
| 03:09.07 | Iriel | It'll be interesting if something like the Oculus Rift catches on, as it'll make latency /much/ more important |
| 03:09.23 | Neffi | Also convinced me that even if I hit the lotto, I would absolutely NOT use more than two GPUs for gaming |
| 03:10.01 | Amarande | well, AMD has not apparently improved very much in the last few years |
| 03:10.09 | Amarande | the Thuban is still pretty close to the top of the totem pole there |
| 03:10.31 | Amarande | (and hmm, can I come up with a sentence that uses any more words that start with T than that? :D) |
| 03:12.34 | Amarande | ... dear gods that behemoth on page 2 of the cpu thing is a graphics card? |
| 03:12.40 | Amarande | I think there are computers smaller than that ... LOL |
| 03:13.26 | Neffi | Bulldozer was an infamous wreck |
| 03:13.55 | Neffi | I haven't kept up to date with their current direction, but I can say with confidence that buying their CPUs for a mid-to-high-end setup or better is a bad idea |
| 03:14.07 | Amarande | yeah, looks like it for sure, http://techreport.com/review/23246/inside-the-second-gaming-performance-with-today-cpus/7 is making me boggle |
| 03:14.21 | Amarande | ALL of the FX processors tested are WORSE than the tested Thuban and (whatever the Phenom II X4 name was) |
| 03:14.33 | Neffi | Unless you're going for lower end, trying to save money, or aren't interested in high performance, Intel is what you should stick with right now and for a while to come |
| 03:15.01 | Amarande | The 3820 is also not anywhere near as bad as some are saying, either |
| 03:15.06 | Amarande | although it is kind of old for something so expensive |
| 03:15.13 | Neffi | They did hire some of their old engineers (the ones that were responsible for their great core designs back in the mid early-mid 2000s) but it'll take time before they come out with a totally new CPU core |
| 03:15.51 | Neffi | Now, time for the Breaking Bad finale |
| 03:15.57 | Neffi | I'll be back in about an hour |
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| 05:01.10 | fewyn | walt kills dumbledore |
| 05:03.41 | karl_w_w | wtf, dumbledore dies?! |
| 05:03.47 | karl_w_w | spoiler alert man |
| 05:14.19 | Neffi | ohhhhhhh http://www.silentwulf.com/flash/taskbah.swf |
| 05:14.26 | Neffi | makes sense |
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| 05:29.15 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 05:35.34 | Trela | Hahaha |
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| 07:28.33 | karl_w_w | is php known for rounding errors? |
| 07:29.38 | Shirik | what do you mean by that exactly |
| 07:30.34 | karl_w_w | just something mentioned here http://forums.askmrrobot.com/index.php?topic=7038.0 |
| 07:31.33 | zenzio | I won't say for sure, but I don't think PHP is any more prone to it than most languages |
| 07:31.50 | Shirik | well that's what I mean |
| 07:32.01 | Shirik | every language with IEEE floating points is going to suffer the same problem |
| 07:32.05 | Shirik | 0.1 is not a representable number |
| 07:33.15 | zenzio | a quick google search seems to be "use bc or gmp" |
| 07:33.46 | Shirik | Blizzard should allow for smartcard authentication |
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| 09:19.41 | zenzio | god I hate localization sometimes... |
| 09:19.56 | Kalroth | hände hoch! |
| 09:20.01 | zenzio | for some reason an exported file (3D) wouldn't load on the computers at work, but it loaded at home |
| 09:20.11 | zenzio | Google searching was fruitless |
| 09:20.17 | zenzio | exporting from home to work also failed |
| 09:21.03 | zenzio | turned out the 3D program we were trying to import it into used locale-aware input functions; so at work the decimal separator was ",", but at home it was ".". Changed the setting in Windows and now it loads |
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| 09:26.38 | Kalroth | yup |
| 09:26.57 | Kalroth | the inport program should have a non-locale setting for that |
| 09:27.00 | Kalroth | import* |
| 09:27.21 | Kalroth | i encounter that a lot at work, decimal separator and date formatting |
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| 11:46.03 | Monolit | uh does anyone know if there's a way to determine whether it's pvp or pve realm your char is on right now? |
| 11:49.05 | AcidWeb | AFAIK no |
| 12:11.29 | Sintacks | change zones |
| 12:11.34 | Sintacks | if you get PvP flagged, PvP |
| 12:11.39 | Sintacks | if you don't, PvE |
| 12:11.57 | Sintacks | if you're wanting a simple API, no |
| 12:12.00 | Sintacks | which is annoying |
| 12:12.11 | Sintacks | i want to know what server i'm on when i'm not on my own server :| |
| 12:12.32 | zenzio | oh PvP realms... I remember starting out on one, since that's where my friends were |
| 12:12.45 | zenzio | running around in Barrens for days, learning the game |
| 12:13.14 | zenzio | then turning back from Ashenvale when it warned me I was entering the political zone (or whatever it's called), because god knows what dangers that might entail! |
| 12:19.38 | Maldivia | contested |
| 12:22.34 | Industrial | same :D WERE IS MANKRIKS WIFE?? |
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| 12:22.52 | bluspacecow | @Cairenn *eyebrow waggle* |
| 12:38.40 | Fisker | BluMourningCow *eyebrow counterwaggle* |
| 12:38.48 | Fisker | oh |
| 12:38.50 | Fisker | mourning :( |
| 12:39.02 | BluMourningCow | *side ways shuffle* |
| 12:39.04 | BluMourningCow | *fondle* |
| 12:39.26 | Fisker | *hug* |
| 12:39.33 | BluMourningCow | thank you. |
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| 12:57.28 | Lopeppeppy | It is Monday, and I have home made applesauce for breakfast. So there! |
| 12:58.29 | Fisker | What, bo vodka? |
| 12:58.29 | Amarande | Morning. :) |
| 12:58.30 | Fisker | no* |
| 12:58.37 | Amarande | Yay applesauce. Now you need to make apple pancakes with it. :D |
| 12:58.59 | Amarande | blugh, am I really getting this right from EJ about profession choices, too :| |
| 12:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | This stuff is a bit too thick to cook with, it's more like apple pie filling consistency (but without that syrupy sugary crap) |
| 12:59.39 | Amarande | that basically, pretty much unless you're a tank using mining/BS or mining/JC, only fools pair a gathering profession with the crafting one on a raiding character, real men depend on the auction house or an alt for all their mats? |
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| 14:13.53 | karl_w_w | you can't really max a profession til you reach max level, and if you're at max level what's the point in having the character if it doesn't raid? |
| 14:14.06 | karl_w_w | real men raid! |
| 14:21.29 | alestane | Actually, I think that's the prerogative of VIRTUAL men, and women. |
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| 14:24.06 | alestane | satation |
| 14:24.09 | alestane | erm. |
| 14:24.14 | alestane | station* |
| 14:27.24 | mikma | satanion |
| 14:29.34 | alestane | That sounds like the elementary particle of evil, or something. |
| 14:32.23 | Unkle | Station! |
| 14:32.43 | Unkle | The Satanion? |
| 14:33.04 | Amarande | karl: it's more that the gathering professions seem to mostly be regarded as crap to have (except mining on a dedicated tank, and even then, that's considered a hit against you if you use your DPS offspec) |
| 14:33.08 | Unkle | Sounds like something we could use to force alignment changes. |
| 14:33.29 | Amarande | Unkle: you mean like how exposure to beams of morons makes people stupid? :) |
| 14:33.52 | Unkle | Amarande: We'll reconfigure the main deflector dish... |
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| 14:42.29 | pompy | http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/30/20752669-private-jet-crashes-into-hangar-at-california-airport-sparks-inferno |
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| 14:54.08 | Unkle | http://xkcd.com/1271/ - so true. |
| 14:57.02 | Lopeppeppy | You run screaming from news sites a lot? |
| 14:57.35 | Unkle | Like Garth, we fear change. |
| 14:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | The winds of change, they are a'blowin' |
| 14:58.17 | Fisker | news sites? |
| 14:59.21 | Amarande | *sigh* it's going to be good to play with my buddies, but just like all the last sets of active folks I've played with, they're alliance |
| 14:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | Where popups for site searches about keywords are hugely popular, Fisker (the flyover text for the xkcd comic) |
| 14:59.24 | Amarande | is horde not in style anymore? :( |
| 14:59.50 | Fisker | haha yeah |
| 14:59.54 | Fisker | no news sites doing that here though |
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| 15:00.34 | Amarande | I don't really visit news sites much anymore apart from the Guardian or the occasional Ars or HuffPo article, the latter usually because of a link someone else posted |
| 15:01.44 | Unkle | I hate that bit of linking/hovertext JS that some sites use. And that site-search feature based on highlighting a word is ... bad UX. |
| 15:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | It rarely turns up anything at all relevant, I've found, when I try to use it. |
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| 15:04.33 | Fisker | You try to use it? :O |
| 15:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | Occasionally. News is a part of my job sometimes, Fisker. |
| 15:07.33 | Fisker | i meant the links that adword popups :P |
| 15:07.37 | Fisker | whoa |
| 15:07.41 | Fisker | my head just spun around |
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| 15:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | No, not Adwords - some news sites have their own stuff, actually, to search their site for related articles. Poorly programmed and useless crap. |
| 15:15.32 | karl_w_w | http://xkcd.com/1269/ seems nihilism is rampant in the world |
| 15:17.33 | Semlar | so what |
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| 15:20.10 | Fisker | ah ok Lopeppeppy |
| 15:23.59 | karl_w_w | precisely Semlar |
| 15:24.34 | karl_w_w | so fucking what, as the song goes |
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| 15:28.21 | Arrow|tablet | I'm at work and unable to do any work |
| 15:35.39 | zenzelezz | a common problem |
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| 15:47.30 | karl_w_w | well yeah, where else would you be unable to work |
| 15:48.26 | TC-Work | Everywhere. |
| 15:49.10 | karl_w_w | crazy talk |
| 15:49.26 | karl_w_w | that hasn't been true since the invention of the blackberry! |
| 15:56.43 | zenzelezz | "Temple of the Three Winds cultists will now follow you for 60 meters before they figure out it's a lost cause." |
| 15:56.47 | zenzelezz | all they're saying is "mobs won't train you endlessly", but the way they word it... I love that about Anarchy Online |
| 15:56.59 | Humbedooh | read that as moobs :C |
| 15:58.21 | karl_w_w | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/i-didnt-hit-him-deputy-premier/story-fn59niix-1226730293525 australian politicians again |
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| 16:12.36 | karl_w_w | cookie clicker using 25% of my cpu |
| 16:13.58 | karl_w_w | 30% when I'm actually clicking |
| 16:15.23 | TC-Work | That means nothing without knowing what your CPU is. |
| 16:18.27 | karl_w_w | i5 3470 |
| 16:20.24 | Mr_Rabies | it needs that heat to bake the cookies |
| 16:23.10 | karl_w_w | of course |
| 16:23.20 | karl_w_w | that's why I'm worried about it being only 30% |
| 16:23.42 | Fisker | shouldn't have used IE6 then |
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| 16:26.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's okay, karl_w_w |
| 16:26.48 | Mr_Rabies | grandma tech has evolved to not need so much heat to bake cookies |
| 16:26.51 | Mr_Rabies | still, some is needed |
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| 17:40.26 | Arrow|tablet | I'm still at work after getting almost nothing done yet today |
| 17:40.45 | kd3 | meh, much like the government. nothing too unusual there |
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| 17:42.36 | Arrow|tablet | Something broke so my boss in Indianapolis and myself in Dayton can't install software on legacy mortgage PCs but everybody else is fine |
| 17:43.22 | Arrow|tablet | And somebody else in Indy has no problem on a legacy PC |
| 17:45.01 | Arrow|tablet | I already tried to go home once today but they got me to start on a non-legacy PC but I don't even know if the user is in today |
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| 18:11.40 | zenzelezz | kids, never play with weapons... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQOtLWitqzY&feature=youtu.be |
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| 18:41.01 | karl_w_w | that kid looks like john connor mark 1 |
| 18:41.36 | zenzelezz | if he carries on like that, there might not be a mark 2 |
| 18:43.38 | foxlit | so, um, I have a problem from the year 2000. What's a convenient tool to fix character encoding in id3 metadata? |
| 18:44.13 | zenzelezz | do you mean that it's broken the files, or that they're just not what they should be? |
| 18:45.18 | foxlit | the strings are in some system encoding rather than unicode; the format is otherwise fine |
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| 18:51.39 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhTGfJ_R7bA lol |
| 18:51.46 | zenzelezz | and normal media players don't read them correctly? |
| 18:52.02 | karl_w_w | foxlit, mp3tag |
| 18:52.06 | foxlit | the media player in question expects unicode. |
| 18:55.07 | foxlit | karl_w_w: thanks; though something that works on os x/linux would be preferable. |
| 18:55.56 | TC-Work | like RV? |
| 18:56.56 | foxlit | hopefully not real video? |
| 19:00.02 | karl_w_w | recreational vehicle |
| 19:01.02 | Cairenn | radioactive velociraptor |
| 19:01.21 | Cairenn | retroactive virus |
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| 19:07.07 | Torhal | Reticulated Valium |
| 19:08.30 | Fisker | road vehicle |
| 19:10.25 | nicoli_s | that sounds delicious Torhal |
| 19:10.48 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Bwahahahaha |
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| 19:23.06 | fewyn | so i'm looking for a wireless headset that is comfortable and i can wear for long periods of time, any suggestions? |
| 19:23.16 | fewyn | god damn enter key |
| 19:27.42 | Maldivia | hmm, are there any servers where people are fighting the dark iron, so you can actually get the achievement? |
| 19:27.49 | Maldivia | (alliance, eu) |
| 19:30.17 | Lopeppeppy | fewyn, I had a logitech for a good long while. I have sensitive ears and wear glasses, so headsets are hard for me to wear. Loved it. The model is obsolete now, but take a look at their line. |
| 19:30.18 | Dagmar | Maldivia: You can't just like, wipe the whole place clean on your own? |
| 19:30.22 | nicoli_s | fewyn:if you find one let me know |
| 19:30.29 | nicoli_s | i need a new headset that doesnt crush my skull |
| 19:30.49 | fewyn | i've been wearing a siberia v2 |
| 19:30.50 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Like most Logitech products, when they found something people liked, they just had to screw with it |
| 19:30.51 | fewyn | from steelseries |
| 19:30.53 | fewyn | it's nice |
| 19:30.55 | Maldivia | Dagmar: not possible |
| 19:30.59 | fewyn | but my ears get too hot from wearing it |
| 19:31.05 | fewyn | for any time over ~30m |
| 19:31.43 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Probably the issue is peak times. You're talking about the "This one time when I was..." from the Brewfrest invasion, right? |
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| 19:32.55 | Maldivia | Dagmar: yeah - you need something like 10 people to be really successful at it |
| 19:32.57 | Industrial | whered the portals in shat go? not in the center anymore.. |
| 19:33.00 | Dagmar | Unless your server's a complete ghost town, hit that around the opening and/or closing ceremonies |
| 19:33.12 | Dagmar | Maldivia: actually it can be done with six, possibly fewer |
| 19:33.24 | fewyn | Industrial: there are only 2 portals and they should be there |
| 19:33.27 | kd3 | the shat/dal ports went poof in... cata? |
| 19:33.28 | fewyn | one for stormwind and one for org |
| 19:33.32 | kd3 | except for ^ |
| 19:33.38 | Industrial | ok |
| 19:33.55 | Dagmar | Maldivia: Mainly you just need a dwarf on each side of every cask and have them drink like they'll never get another |
| 19:34.03 | Industrial | ah got it |
| 19:34.17 | Dagmar | Mind you if they're not max level, they're going to have a bad time of it. |
| 19:34.27 | Industrial | kd3: yeah didnt play cata much |
| 19:34.33 | Maldivia | Dagmar: even with cross-realm, the people around the area is very sparse on my server |
| 19:35.13 | Dagmar | Yeah my server isn't exactly sparse, but there's seldom enough people around during off-peak times. Over the coming weekend it shoudln't be a problem tho |
| 19:36.04 | Dagmar | There will be a lot of people desperate to get it because they haven't yet |
| 19:38.15 | Dagmar | Speaking of which I have missed several days of whacking the Coren pinata. I guess I'll get on that tonight. |
| 19:38.41 | Maldivia | the good thing about not many people around is for the keg run ofcourse, so you don't have issues with the apples not triggering :) |
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| 20:26.40 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/yRiVpOX.gif |
| 20:26.56 | Maldivia | they should rename the brewfest keg run daily to fingercramp |
| 20:28.26 | TC-Work | Get more practice. |
| 20:32.52 | Ama|work | Yeah, this is why I thought MoP's release date wouldn't be when it was, and was perhaps a bad idea, too :) |
| 20:33.36 | Amarande | namely, the fact that so much depends on you being max level, so pretty much it seemed to mean mostly cancelling brewfest except for the super-addicts who get to a new xpack's max level in the first week |
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| 20:34.09 | Amarande | A week? It took me more than half a month I think ... and I definitely played WoW then more than a healthy person should :S |
| 20:34.58 | Unkle | Leveling to max level took a significant time for me, but when the expansion dropped I leveled up a pandaren monk. |
| 20:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | i missed a weekend and still had plenty of time to gear up before brewfest |
| 20:35.17 | Unkle | So, you know... 85 levels to catch up. |
| 20:35.31 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 20:35.32 | Amarande | That, too. |
| 20:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | before it was over |
| 20:35.47 | Amarande | hm. I thought MoP came out *during* brewfest, if I remember right |
| 20:36.00 | Amarande | Brewfest, to my recollection, is always exactly at the same time as the real life Bavarian Oktoberfest |
| 20:36.07 | Amarande | and MoP came out what, September 25th or something? |
| 20:36.52 | Amarande | I had thought it certain that any new expansions these days should come out in November sometime, to maximise player fun opportunity |
| 20:37.35 | Amarande | Late November means a couple weeks before for the pre-patch without it hitting Hallow's End, and a few weeks after to level up before Winter Veil. (Or is it Wintersday, I always forget which is WoW and which is GW without logging in if I haven't played either in a while LOL) |
| 20:38.29 | Amarande | It also means the expansion would be still relatively fresh for the Christmas shopping season, while out for long enough for any post-release bugs to have had a reasonable chance to get nabbed and patched. |
| 20:38.34 | Amarande | September expansion was quite a surprise :S |
| 20:40.10 | Amarande | Although maybe the overriding force was the one some forum jockeys had suggested but I hadn't really thought of as quite so important. *shrug* |
| 20:42.47 | Maldivia | Dagmar: og, created level 1 chars on two high-pop servers.... and one of them had the gear up, yay ;) |
| 20:42.54 | Amarande | There were people sure MoP would hit as early as it did because they said that Blizzard would surely not allow the Annual Pass commitments to come to an end before MoP hit, and I think those ended just a few weeks after it did hit. |
| 20:43.12 | Maldivia | thank god for account-wide achievements |
| 20:43.34 | Amarande | Maldivia: definitely ... especially since some of these achievements almost require you to be a particular class or role to do |
| 20:43.44 | Amarande | perhaps not the brewfest ones, but achievements in general :) |
| 20:44.26 | Amarande | Without account-wide achievements, I'd be pretty sure you would have to be either a Paladin or a Druid in order to get them all |
| 20:47.27 | Amarande | Actually, you might even practically need to be a druid, full stop, but that's just gut feeling |
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| 20:50.32 | Maldivia | fun thing about craeting a level 1 on a high pop server... the time it took for my gnome to run from start to brewfest area, I got 14 guild invites :) |
| 20:50.53 | Amarande | heh |
| 20:51.01 | Amarande | how many friends requests from gold sellers? |
| 20:51.09 | Maldivia | none though |
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| 21:46.04 | Clamsoda | If I return a value inside of a for loop; does it break out of the loop? |
| 21:46.18 | Semlar | it breaks out of the entire function |
| 21:46.24 | Clamsoda | Ahh, perfect. |
| 21:46.41 | Clamsoda | Thank you sir. |
| 21:47.26 | Semlar | any time you return in a function it just ends there |
| 21:47.57 | Clamsoda | That's what I thought, but I can't test this code at the moment, so I figured I'd ask. Thank you very much. |
| 21:49.46 | Neffi | Hey Roxanne |
| 22:04.08 | foxlit | success; 見つめていたい finally stopped being gibberish in itunes |
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| 22:13.06 | Arrowmaster | i caved and went and bought gta5 and d3 for xbox360 today |
| 22:14.32 | Unkle | I was disappointed that D3 for consoles don't play with other battle.net players. Mostly because I was hoping to find a game where a distant friend with a good console but shitty PC and I could play together. |
| 22:14.52 | Dagmar | There's too little cross-platform gaming like that |
| 22:15.08 | Dagmar | Probably because we'd generally kick the shit out of the kiddies playing FPS with with a conttoller |
| 22:15.10 | Dagmar | er controller. |
| 22:15.30 | Unkle | I'd probably be pwnt by console kiddies. |
| 22:15.39 | Dagmar | I borrowed one of those naughty, naughty emulators last weekend that makes the PS3 think you're using a controller when you have an actual keyboard and mouse. |
| 22:15.51 | Unkle | But I was really hoping for cross-platform gaming. |
| 22:16.03 | Dagmar | I may buy one just for luls when playing GTAV online because it's like mass murdering chronic stoners |
| 22:16.10 | Dagmar | Nevermind that I was actually playing against stoners. |
| 22:16.33 | Dagmar | Without some auto-aim help, controller kiddies don't stand a chance against mouse targeting. |
| 22:17.20 | Mr_Rabies | i think the controller's limitations make for better gameplay in some FPSes |
| 22:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | like, for example, battlefield: bad company 2 is a lot more fun on console, despite having smaller player caps on servers |
| 22:18.10 | Dagmar | I kind of agree, since it compensates for the uncanny accuracy of a lot of weapons |
| 22:18.11 | Mr_Rabies | because it's a total clusterfuck on pc and people pretty much exclusively use sniper rifles it seems |
| 22:18.21 | Dagmar | Yes, because wind never fucks with the shot |
| 22:18.30 | Clamsoda | Neffi: Hey Bryndis. |
| 22:18.39 | Dagmar | Like the sniperfaust in ET |
| 22:18.56 | Neffi | dafuq is a Bryndis? |
| 22:18.56 | Mr_Rabies | i play GTA-like games with a controller |
| 22:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | controlling guns with a controller isn't as accurate but it's okay |
| 22:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | but controlling cars/planes/etc with a keyboard is terrible |
| 22:19.46 | Dagmar | I usually play them on the PC, but headshots are pretty much all I do there. If I only got bonus damage for putting the round in their left nostril, then it might balance out |
| 22:19.49 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/oBjoFxE.jpg lol cia |
| 22:20.01 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: That's the reason I have an XBox controller on my PC right there. |
| 22:20.07 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 22:20.09 | Neffi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty |
| 22:20.11 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i do |
| 22:20.12 | Dagmar | Bikes. Impossible to drive with a keyboard. |
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| 22:20.23 | Dagmar | Might as well be trying to use a sixaxis from a beanbag |
| 22:21.26 | Dagmar | Neffi: Holy shit how did they find that many people who have zero experience with cats? |
| 22:21.53 | Dagmar | my ex tried to train her cat to do tricks. I did warn her that cats are not like dogs and how. |
| 22:22.10 | Neffi | Some people are actually very successful at training cats |
| 22:22.11 | Dagmar | It took two weeks before she admitted the cat saw this as a way to train her to produce snacks. |
| 22:22.18 | Neffi | And certain breeds are prized for their trainability |
| 22:22.29 | Dagmar | Yeah but that's all about the cat's disposition |
| 22:22.32 | Neffi | I think it's wrong tbh. Cats are bastards and should be loved as such, not whipped to compliance. |
| 22:22.36 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 22:22.54 | Dagmar | It's nigh-impossible to force a cat to do anything. |
| 22:23.02 | Neffi | "the cat saw this as a way to train her to produce snacks" hahaha |
| 22:23.19 | Dagmar | Hey I ain't kiddin |
| 22:23.23 | Neffi | I believe it |
| 22:23.28 | Neffi | Cats are smart little devils |
| 22:23.37 | Neffi | They really are the psychopaths of the animal kingdom |
| 22:24.40 | Dagmar | There's a stray wot hangs around this coffee house whose friendliness is inversely proportional to the number of witnesses. |
| 22:24.47 | Dagmar | Clearly he has a reputation to uphold. |
| 22:25.11 | Neffi | Cats are extremely distrustful of others |
| 22:25.24 | Neffi | Their primary goal it to stay on point and keep aware of any potential danger |
| 22:25.25 | Dagmar | Porch is full of people? He'll ignore the hell out of everyone who isn't setting out some cream for him. Catch him by himself when no one's around and you can pet him and he'll even purr and roll around. |
| 22:25.35 | Neffi | Less people = easier to keep alert, so they can let their guard down more |
| 22:26.27 | Dagmar | I've no idea why he might think he'd need to be watchful there. If anyone laid a hand on that cat their next cup of coffee would surely have some broken glass in it. |
| 22:26.49 | Neffi | Cats don't care how much you care about them |
| 22:26.50 | Dagmar | A big fluffy half Maine coon cat. |
| 22:26.51 | Unkle | Cats - not good at predicting such outcomes. |
| 22:27.02 | Neffi | They don't trust your capacity to protect them, or your willingness to do so |
| 22:27.18 | Dagmar | This is a Maine coon. They don't fear much |
| 22:27.24 | Neffi | Even a cat you've had your whole life -- when shit goes down, they don't run to you for protection. With cats, it's every man for himself. |
| 22:27.29 | Dagmar | heh |
| 22:27.52 | Neffi | All cats are loners. Some may have different tendencies, but it all comes down to that fact. |
| 22:27.59 | Dagmar | Kittens, on the other hand, "Quick! Climb the nearest human!" |
| 22:28.05 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:28.18 | Neffi | I imagine we're like Ents to kittens |
| 22:28.28 | Neffi | "wtf this tree gives us food and meows at us" |
| 22:28.48 | Dagmar | That's out fault. |
| 22:29.04 | Dagmar | If we didn't meow at cats they wouldn't know it's a handy way to signal nearby humans. |
| 22:29.09 | Neffi | Wearing climbable fabric certainly helps |
| 22:29.28 | Dagmar | Oh I don't think kittens really worry to much about what constitutes climable |
| 22:29.34 | Neffi | I like when cats are comfortable enough to climb on you though |
| 22:29.38 | Dagmar | I've had some start at my knee when I was wearing shorts |
| 22:29.51 | Neffi | My friend's cat will lay across my shoulders and hang out there for hours. I enjoy it. |
| 22:30.11 | Neffi | He'll intently watch the screen as I play video games |
| 22:30.13 | Unkle | It's difficult to convince some cats that human skin isn't a protected as theirs. |
| 22:30.22 | zenzelezz | cue the classic; http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cat_kill |
| 22:31.22 | Neffi | I still love that, zenzelezz |
| 22:32.18 | Neffi | Is the book any good? |
| 22:32.34 | zenzelezz | don't know :( |
| 22:32.43 | Neffi | I totally want it |
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| 22:39.40 | Neffi | oh god it's horrifying http://imgur.com/gallery/ecHRDu6 |
| 22:42.08 | Cairenn | oh lordy, that's not good |
| 22:43.08 | kd3 | aaah, wtf |
| 22:43.34 | Gnarfoz | augh |
| 22:43.55 | Neffi | I don't envy who had to rewire everything |
| 22:44.21 | Cairenn | is still shuddering |
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| 22:46.02 | ccox | wtf, world server down |
| 22:46.36 | Neffi | I think I may have cracked that story |
| 22:49.23 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:58.41 | Unkle | Neffi: That image just made me hurt in all the brain places. |
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| 23:08.18 | Neffi | Caffeine headaches suck |
| 23:10.11 | zenzelezz | I find headaches in general suck |
| 23:13.16 | Amarande | Yow, I'd hate for those to be my cables ... |
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| 23:42.44 | kd3 | bah. come back from suspend and all of my fans are spinning at 100% |
| 23:43.18 | Xuerian_ | There's a joke in there somewhere. Someone else can figure it out. |
| 23:48.20 | Amarande | heh, speaking of hardware, I'm still pondering i7-3820 vs i7-4820K vs i7-4770K |
