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| 00:15.58 | Neffi | Dammit Bose |
| 00:17.07 | Neffi | My father gave me a pair of Bose powered speakers for my computer. In typical Bose fashion that have a hump right where the bass drum is, and a huge pit right on either side of it. |
| 00:17.34 | Neffi | "Gee these sound great" is the response you get from most people. But then you turn on Red Hot Chili Peppers and you realize the bassline isn't even present. |
| 00:18.25 | TC-Work | I assume this is referring to a signal wave and not a physical aspect of the speaker. |
| 00:18.59 | Neffi | >_> yeah |
| 00:20.00 | Neffi | The low-mid pit must be wider than usual on these because all material sounds like it's missing something -- like an instrument has been pulled out of the recording |
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| 00:38.59 | Calahil | hey there |
| 00:42.43 | Cairenn | hi |
| 00:51.00 | TC-Work | I wish there was 'inappropriate mental contact' then I wouldn't have to talk to 99% of the people at work. |
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| 02:03.02 | Neffi | k |
| 02:03.15 | Neffi | I logged onto my horde for the first time in a long ass time |
| 02:03.25 | Neffi | He used to have 600 engineering. Now he has level 1 engineering. Wtf man? |
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| 02:15.25 | TC-Work | Neffi: Neglect. |
| 02:16.32 | Neffi | Major brain atrophy has melted away his higher-education skills. His M.S. in mechanical engineering is all but useless now. All he can do now is slave away with a pickaxe. |
| 02:16.48 | Neffi | I probably should've kept him fed, made sure he slept and put his knowledge to good use |
| 02:17.40 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/hWsb7 so much cute |
| 02:17.42 | Neffi | Cairenn: ^ |
| 02:17.59 | Cairenn | awww |
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| 02:24.10 | alestane | Is there seriously some reason why C# requires you to manually check whether an event has anything assigned to it before calling it? |
| 02:24.28 | alestane | If I want to call an event that has no listeners, it should just do nothing. |
| 02:35.03 | Neffi | wow that's sounds pretty shitty |
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| 02:40.10 | alestane | I was pretty happy with my foray into writing a couple of C# classes until that little revelation. |
| 02:50.05 | kd3 | create a no-op listener? |
| 02:56.50 | alestane | Roughly as cumbersome a workaround as checking the events before firing them. |
| 02:57.05 | alestane | Although I suppose you can do it once at construction. |
| 02:58.36 | alestane | The fact that the format if (MyEvent != null) MyEvent(args); is considered standard and normal is typical of the Stockholm Syndrome that seems to be associated with Microsoft developers. |
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| 04:57.50 | Fisker | what a bunch of stoner cats Neffi |
| 05:04.37 | Semlar | welp askmrrobot is stuck loading my second spec and there is no way to stop it trying to do whatever it's doing |
| 05:05.03 | Semlar | so the site is just completely broken for me now |
| 05:12.21 | Semlar | WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITHOUT ASKMRROBOT |
| 05:12.26 | Semlar | HOW DO I REFORGE???? |
| 05:16.16 | Neffi | Run the numbers yourself |
| 05:16.22 | Neffi | You know there was a time when this is what we did |
| 05:16.32 | Neffi | Theorycrafting is not that hard |
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| 05:16.56 | Neffi | Open up Google Docs and make a spreadsheet with all the spell formulas -- you cna probably find out out there already |
| 05:17.01 | Semlar | i need it to get my hit and expertise as close to the cap as possible |
| 05:17.13 | Neffi | You're a programmer, no? |
| 05:17.28 | Semlar | i'm not gonna write my own stuff when there's something to do it for me! |
| 05:17.35 | Neffi | There isn't right now |
| 05:17.43 | Neffi | A simple brute force alorithm will be easy |
| 05:17.47 | Neffi | Try every combination possible |
| 05:17.48 | Semlar | an addon would probably lock up the game trying to actually compute those combinations |
| 05:17.53 | Neffi | Doubtful |
| 05:18.04 | Neffi | Run it in a coroutine or do samples every OnUpdate |
| 05:18.04 | Semlar | there would be literally millions of combinations it would have to try |
| 05:18.09 | Neffi | or run it in Lua itself |
| 05:18.22 | Neffi | Lua is fast |
| 05:18.28 | Semlar | NOT THE WAY I DO IT |
| 05:18.34 | Neffi | you're a programmer |
| 05:18.35 | Neffi | solve it |
| 05:18.38 | Semlar | NO |
| 05:18.45 | Semlar | i solved it by launching a different browser |
| 05:18.48 | Neffi | ;p; |
| 05:18.54 | Neffi | shift that left 1 key |
| 05:19.02 | Semlar | already did |
| 05:19.48 | Semlar | it'll probably fix itself when i restart firefox but who knows when that might be |
| 05:19.57 | Neffi | A while ago I wanted to do an automated in-game theorycrafter |
| 05:20.05 | Neffi | Maybe if I decide to resub, I'll do it |
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| 06:37.02 | AcidWeb | Can anybody provide me screenshoot of current version of arena scoreboard? |
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| 06:48.45 | kd3 | winces at today's xkcd |
| 07:11.17 | Neffi | lol@ the tooltip |
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| 07:26.04 | Semlar | AcidWeb: http://i.imgur.com/yw9hqxI.jpg |
| 07:26.22 | AcidWeb | Semlar: Thank you. |
| 07:27.06 | AcidWeb | Drycoding addons updates is _almost_ fun ;p |
| 07:28.57 | Fisker | just as funny as dryhumping |
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| 07:52.28 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:52.30 | Shirik | rant time |
| 07:52.46 | Shirik | whoever the fuck invented this concept where clicking the X in the top right hand corner DOESN'T actually exit the program |
| 07:52.48 | Shirik | that guy needs to die |
| 07:52.56 | Shirik | If I wanted to minimize the program |
| 07:52.59 | Shirik | I WOULD CLICK THE MINIMIZE BUTTON |
| 07:53.28 | Shirik | The best ones are the ones that have a "close window" option that doesn't actually close the window |
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| 08:09.45 | mitch0 | shirik: ctrl-alt-esc, click |
| 08:09.58 | Shirik | I should be able to just click |
| 08:09.59 | Shirik | like |
| 08:10.07 | Shirik | you don't go provide a "file->open" option |
| 08:10.09 | Shirik | and then NOT OPEN A FILE |
| 08:32.53 | mikma | shirik: but you might neeeeeeeed it! dont close me bro |
| 08:34.41 | nevcairiel | i like that on some applications, where minimize goes to taskbar, and x goes to systray, or somethin' |
| 08:35.21 | nevcairiel | who said it should exit the program anyhow, it should close the window, which it does :P |
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| 08:42.40 | Sintacks | so, if you hellfire you and your oponent to death at the same time... you still lose |
| 08:42.42 | Sintacks | :( |
| 08:42.57 | Semlar | any time you die you lose |
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| 08:46.59 | Clamsoda | Ello. |
| 08:48.20 | Sintacks | Semlar, it was funny though |
| 08:48.29 | Sintacks | he took me from 28 to 3 in one turn |
| 08:48.45 | Sintacks | i killed 9 minions and two players with one card |
| 08:49.15 | Sintacks | now hat i think about it, i could have won if i had used the deal do damage and heal yourself card ... |
| 08:49.16 | Sintacks | derp |
| 08:49.19 | Sintacks | goes sleep |
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| 08:50.00 | ccox | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/191accgnmnevzjpg/original.jpg |
| 08:58.38 | zenzio | ccox: neat :-o Though I don't recall all of those ships in Aliens |
| 08:58.48 | zenzio | in fact, I dont recall most of them |
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| 09:00.23 | zenzio | had some trouble figuring which ships the names referred to too |
| 09:02.11 | zenzio | looks live EVE loves huge ships |
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| 11:46.07 | airtonix | Shirik: that's a brilliant idea. I'm sure you'll see Apple "invent" that in the next release. |
| 11:56.00 | karl_w_w | is pinterest still a thing? |
| 12:02.13 | zenzio | I see the button on some pages, so I assume so |
| 12:19.03 | airtonix | karl_w_w: your mums still a thing, so yes. |
| 12:25.36 | mikma | airtonix: pinterest is karl_w_w's mom? wow |
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| 12:35.42 | airtonix | yeah it was quite a revolutionary innovation when it was launched |
| 12:36.25 | airtonix | what many don't know though, is that it was a secret project from the high security innovation research facility that apple created |
| 12:48.45 | karl_w_w | even I didn't know |
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| 13:28.56 | jleclanche | airtonix: check this out. what delayed my sleep 6 hours this morning: https://github.com/toastdriven/django-tastypie/issues/1040 |
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| 13:53.05 | airtonix | jleclanche: i've never had a use case yet where i'd need to have an endpoint contain what i consider to be something that should be in post data or get params. I'm sure you have a good reason for it. |
| 13:53.23 | airtonix | jleclanche: have you thought about slugifying it instead of trying to handle the @ |
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| 13:57.20 | airtonix | sleep time! |
| 13:57.21 | zenzio | happy Friday peppy! |
| 13:57.24 | airtonix | bonsai! |
| 13:57.26 | Lopeppeppy | Holp, my channel is flooding and I need a boat! |
| 13:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | Kawasaki! |
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| 14:04.23 | zenzio | "While this wouldn't matter in the U.S., it's a reason for a patent to be invalidated in Europe. For different reasons someone thought the iPhone presentation was a mistake. It now turns out that when Steve Jobs said "Boy have we patented it!" his company forgot that public disclosure, even by an inventor, must not take place before a European patent application is filed." |
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| 14:04.48 | zenzio | fun to see how different things are/can be between US and EU patent systems |
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| 14:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Like, one is reasonable and one was dreamed up by someone who was simultaaneously high on crack and going over naiagra falls in a barrel? |
| 14:08.13 | zenzio | something like that :) Although we're not exactly perfect here either :-p |
| 14:14.13 | pompy | http://static1.nexusmods.com/162/mods/162/images/295-1-1361482346.jpg |
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| 14:23.18 | newcomerlua | Hey, someone here ? |
| 14:27.11 | newcomerlua | I am just learning some lua via creating wow addons... I already studied some addons and the last one I checked was ( http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/deathknightdps ) and I opened DeathKnightDps.lua and wanted to look at the code. But what the heck ?! There`s just an OneLiner full of code ... hows that possible ? |
| 14:29.29 | haste | newcomerlua: the code is obfuscated |
| 14:36.33 | karl_w_w | did somebody report it yet or shall I do the honours? :P |
| 14:37.28 | haste | do it |
| 14:40.29 | karl_w_w | dunnit |
| 14:40.45 | jleclanche | https://plus.google.com/113127438179392830442/posts/RapRS9h9ATS holy hell |
| 14:42.04 | newcomerlua | So I cannot learn from this addon right ? Or is there a programm with which I decode this ? |
| 14:42.41 | karl_w_w | that's a naughty naughty addon and will be spanked, pick another :P |
| 14:42.45 | Ressy | ^ |
| 14:43.23 | Ressy | Part of the rules Blizzard put in place, is that code can't be obfuscated. |
| 14:44.38 | newcomerlua | Okay, thanks for your help guys. |
| 14:48.21 | haste | you can get it indented, but the variables and such will still be a mess |
| 14:54.38 | karl_w_w | the new speedtest app is snazzy |
| 14:56.01 | karl_w_w | it's so pretty! |
| 14:56.09 | karl_w_w | like airtonix |
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| 15:14.45 | karl_w_w | uh oh, one of my impacted wisdom teeth is a bit sensitive |
| 15:15.00 | karl_w_w | the time when I have to make myself poor and get them taken out approaches |
| 15:16.38 | Lopeppeppy | Why, oh why do I have to have standards? |
| 15:18.00 | Torhal | ...because you don't want to live in a meth lab? |
| 15:18.50 | nicoli_s | meth labs have tons of standards! or else shitd blow up |
| 15:19.05 | karl_w_w | That's either pretty extreme or not extreme enough, Torhal, depending on how exactly you want to interpret 'not having standards' :P |
| 15:19.39 | Torhal | karl_w_w: Hell if I know. I just threw something to see if it'd stick. |
| 15:20.10 | karl_w_w | what you need is one of those toys with sticky limbs that climb down walls |
| 15:20.49 | Fisker | I like standards |
| 15:21.06 | Fisker | Like, don't package an installer within an installer |
| 15:21.09 | Fisker | that's a good standard |
| 15:21.37 | karl_w_w | people don't follow that one |
| 15:21.51 | karl_w_w | your standards are too high |
| 15:21.56 | Ackis | I'm so happy! I just got a proper 301 direct working for an internal web-page :D |
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| 15:24.29 | Ackis | and I also cracked a pdf password file from 10 years ago! :D |
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| 15:25.03 | nicoli_s | you hacker you |
| 15:26.06 | Torhal | newcomerlua: Thanks for the heads up. Dealing with it (and the guy's other AddOns) now. |
| 15:26.12 | Ackis | it's been over 10 years since I configured a webserver nicoli_s |
| 15:26.26 | Torhal | configures Ackis in promiscuous mode. |
| 15:26.36 | Ackis | only opens his Torhal port. |
| 15:27.01 | karl_w_w | Torhal coming in for docking |
| 15:27.03 | nicoli_s | im scared of configuring shit in production, i let other people do that |
| 15:27.21 | Fisker | Not too high karl_w_w |
| 15:27.25 | Fisker | though they don't follow it :( |
| 15:27.34 | karl_w_w | Torhal, close http://wow.curseforge.com/home/private-messages/152496-report-death-knight-dps/ when you're done |
| 15:30.04 | Torhal | karl_w_w: It isn't just that one. |
| 15:30.57 | karl_w_w | yes it is, the others don't matter because I didn't create them! |
| 15:31.40 | Torhal | karl_w_w: I hate to be the one to have to tell you this, but you're suffering from solipsism. |
| 15:32.19 | karl_w_w | I'm too important to spend my time looking up that word! |
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| 15:57.09 | Lopeppeppy | puts a bionic squid in alestane's waterbed |
| 15:57.40 | karl_w_w | free massage? |
| 15:58.06 | karl_w_w | jesus I just sneezed in some kind of extreme way |
| 15:58.12 | Unkle | What will it eat? |
| 15:58.23 | karl_w_w | im surprised it didn't bring up blood |
| 15:58.44 | Lopeppeppy | It eats brains and also small crustaceans. So I'm going to buy him some brine shrimp too. |
| 15:58.59 | karl_w_w | mmmm, brine |
| 16:01.01 | nicoli_s | mmm brains |
| 16:03.35 | alestane | I suppose if you put it IN the waterbed, that's not so bad. |
| 16:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | I am to please, both channel geeks and squid-o-pi. |
| 16:03.43 | karl_w_w | *australian accent* mmm brines |
| 16:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | In the waterbed, like in a fishtank. *nod nod* |
| 16:04.25 | alestane | If I HAD a waterbed, that would be quite a conversation piece. |
| 16:04.52 | alestane | Biosphere waterbed! |
| 16:05.05 | Ackis | is there some sort of arena tournament going on? |
| 16:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, you're right, you'd need kelp, and a sunlamp! |
| 16:05.34 | Lopeppeppy | So complex, these octopi habitations. |
| 16:08.03 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, I found out recently watching Nova, that during cuttlefish mating season, the biggest, strongest male cuttlefish all wrastle each for the privilege of cozying up to the ladies. Meanwhile, the smaller, scrawnier males have learned to deal with this by coloring themselves like females and drifting past all the males who are busy with their posturing until they can cuddle up to the ladies and go "SURPRISE!" |
| 16:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | Camo, it's not just for enemies. :) |
| 16:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | And you don't even wanna know how the whales compete... |
| 16:14.06 | Fisker | takes pictures |
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| 16:27.16 | TC-Work | I swear Bently is having a fire sale. I have seen a 300% increase of them. |
| 16:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | On fire? |
| 16:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | That would be awesome. |
| 16:32.11 | TC-Work | Not so much |
| 16:34.32 | Shirik | hahaha http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24293390 |
| 16:34.49 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 16:34.51 | Fisker | you're asking for it |
| 16:34.58 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:35.13 | Fisker | soon Cairenn will storm in with a youtube link |
| 16:35.17 | Fisker | and we will all suffer |
| 16:35.41 | Humbedooh | aaw |
| 16:36.26 | Shirik | also Cairenn ^ |
| 16:38.57 | TC-Work | http://i.imgur.com/1vG9jdF.gif |
| 16:39.59 | Fisker | 20 minutes |
| 16:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | Foxen are awesome. Durh. |
| 16:45.35 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/7OCnIEv.png <-best weather widget eu |
| 16:52.11 | mikma | http://geekologie.com/2013/09/26/spaceship-size-comparison-large.jpg |
| 16:58.51 | Dagmar | Fisker: It's called "The Fucking Weather". Primarily for IOS as far as I know someone ported it (mostly) to Android |
| 16:59.03 | Fisker | Its on IOS? |
| 16:59.17 | Dagmar | ...and if it had the granularity Arcos did, it would be hands-down the most useful thing ever. |
| 16:59.25 | Dagmar | Yeah the original program was IOS only |
| 16:59.47 | Dagmar | No bullshitting around, it just tells you about the weather in plain speech. :) |
| 17:00.12 | Dagmar | It's looking like that Android version is getting more elaborate verbiage it can use. |
| 17:00.27 | mikma | http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamController/ |
| 17:00.47 | kd3 | meh |
| 17:01.11 | nicoli_s | that looks terrible |
| 17:01.27 | Dagmar | Ahh... Looks like the thing to look for is "Authentic Weather". Still digging a bit |
| 17:02.08 | Dagmar | I'm not sure if that screenshot shows it's widget form or if there's another variation on it out now |
| 17:02.18 | Dagmar | http://www.behance.net/gallery/Authentic-Weather/7196565 |
| 17:03.00 | Unkle | Fisker: I lol'ed. |
| 17:03.10 | Fisker | I would |
| 17:04.08 | Dagmar | I generally rely on Arcos because it's obsessively granular. Turn on notifications and it'll pop up every so often saying "Heavy Rain in 5 minutes" and you'd better believe it |
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| 17:06.13 | pompy | http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/27/valve-announces-steam-controller |
| 17:06.18 | pompy | yeah what mikma said |
| 17:06.58 | Dagmar | I don't think that controller is going to go over well |
| 17:08.09 | Dagmar | ...although some aspects of it may be unexpectedly popular with gamer girls. |
| 17:08.38 | Fisker | simultanouesly ony another network, gamer girls going crazy over it |
| 17:09.24 | Dagmar | because of those "haptic" functions? |
| 17:09.28 | TC-Work | If that controller would work with a windows PC, I think it will be more used than an xbox controller |
| 17:10.01 | Dagmar | Have you tried to play many games with a virtual control pad on your phone or tablet? |
| 17:10.11 | Unkle | Dagmar: Like the Rez controller? |
| 17:10.13 | nicoli_s | the placing of the buttons looks uncomfortable |
| 17:10.22 | TC-Work | I mean for games that you would use a controller anyway |
| 17:10.28 | Dagmar | Unkle: yes. Apparently both those fumblepads have that kind of functionality in them |
| 17:10.37 | Dagmar | Unkle: Soooo... hehehe |
| 17:10.53 | Unkle | Dagmar: I am amused. |
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| 17:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | I grew up here, give or take... http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Three-bears-and-one-tough-hiker-4847473.php |
| 17:18.44 | Fisker | don't mess with the warrior? |
| 17:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | Stupid fucking yearling bears. |
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| 17:20.35 | Fisker | "I'm 5-foot-8 inches" and I can handle myself, but I wasn't looking to fight a bear," she said. |
| 17:20.58 | Fisker | I wonder if she's sometimes looking to fight a bear since she had to clarify |
| 17:21.38 | TC-Work | And what does her size have to do with anything? |
| 17:22.08 | Unkle | because it's realitve to the size of a bear? |
| 17:26.23 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/pcgamermagazine/app_491651084243418 |
| 17:36.39 | TC-Work | http://gizmodo.com/recycle-your-old-microsd-cards-into-an-ssd-drive-1404467902 That's kinda nifty |
| 17:37.38 | Dagmar | I *used* to have a bookmark for a place that sold some pretty awesome devices for that sort of thing. |
| 17:38.20 | Dagmar | can't find the damn bookmark or the company and I feel like I got lucky to get one of their cards. $25 gets you a PCI card that takes two SDcards, and can use them in RAID1 or RAID0 configuration, and behave like an IDE disk interface |
| 17:39.16 | Dagmar | Just understand that SSD longevity isn't great, and SDcard longevity is a whole lot less. |
| 17:39.43 | Dagmar | Such a thing is *wildly* inappropriate for something that's going to take a lot of disk writes |
| 17:39.59 | Dagmar | ...but if it's mainly a read-only filesystem, it's hot shiznit. |
| 17:40.59 | Dagmar | I dig that that one takes four microsd cards |
| 17:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh jeebus, this is really in our campus safety logs. A turtle reported at 5:18 p.m. on the green in front of the library. Dispatched officers escorted the turtle back to the pond. |
| 17:44.07 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 17:45.23 | Fisker | I'M AN OFFICER OF THE LAW |
| 17:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet friggin pickles, kiddies. Even if it's a snapper, get a god damned shovel and move the wildlife. |
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| 17:54.04 | alestane | Lopeppeppy, there are occasionally snappers that can't be moved that easily. |
| 17:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | I've moved snappers that took three shovels - but I promise we don't have anything like that in our teeny pond, alestane. We have box/painted. Facilities relocates any snappers that might get introduced, because we keep carp in the pond. |
| 17:55.32 | alestane | Although I like the phrase "Dispatched officers escorted the turtle back to the pond." It makes me think of two cops, each with one hand on one of the turtle's forelegs. "You have the right to remain torpid..." |
| 17:56.00 | Lopeppeppy | More like they laughed their asses off, played rock/paper/scissors/spock to see who got to pick it up and re-baptize it. |
| 17:56.53 | alestane | Admittedly, I think I completely confused the poor receptionist at Saugus PD when I called her up to report three chickens loose on Walnut Street. |
| 17:56.53 | Lopeppeppy | Squirrels are gonna eat them. |
| 17:57.09 | alestane | Who's squirrel fodder now? |
| 18:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | Chickens who eat walnuts. |
| 18:00.39 | Fisker | chicken zombies? |
| 18:01.43 | alestane | I was more concerned that someone who wasn't as familiar with chickens was gonna swerve when he saw them and hit oncoming traffic. |
| 18:03.11 | Seerah | http://screen.yahoo.com/frog-runs-away-screaming-054538142.html |
| 18:04.24 | Humbedooh | aaaw |
| 18:05.13 | alestane | That's one of those "Pond in a frog" varieties. |
| 18:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | No, dude, hit the chickens, really. |
| 18:06.33 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Udcvu6aAJE , Seerah. |
| 18:07.19 | Seerah | yeah, I've seen that one - I don't blame the frog ;) |
| 18:07.37 | alestane | Something was moving in his field of vision, what did they think was going to happen? |
| 18:08.03 | Seerah | Or maybe he's pissed that he's not getting any of those ants :p |
| 18:10.56 | alestane | I'm not sure frogs have the wiring to get pissed off. |
| 18:11.06 | alestane | This is also crazy: http://www.maniacworld.com/squirrel-obstacle-course.html |
| 18:12.24 | Seerah | and now for something completely different.... http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/09/27/the-most-interesting-star-trek-redshirt-in-the-world-pic/ |
| 18:14.18 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, who gave Useless Coworker global find and replace? *sidesteps disaster because she can't search regex* |
| 18:19.37 | Fisker | Must be a recurring theme |
| 18:19.46 | Fisker | useless coworkers get all the rights |
| 18:24.09 | Lopeppeppy | Gives me the creeping willies, it does. |
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| 18:31.37 | Unkle | The campus I used to work at was a nature preserve. And we had alligators. |
| 18:33.00 | Cairenn | Shirik: silly fox |
| 18:34.35 | Lopeppeppy | Alligators are for calling the campus police, very truly. |
| 18:35.21 | Semlar | what are they going to do, arrest it? |
| 18:36.24 | Unkle | One lady lost a small dog to one. She used to jog along the stream/path and was near the big over-flow pool when a 'gator lunged up and snapped up her dog. She wanted all the 'gaotrs killed. |
| 18:36.45 | Semlar | oops |
| 18:37.16 | Fisker | Pretty sure I would stop after the turtle Lopeppeppy |
| 18:37.20 | Unkle | The entrances to the campus clearly state "wild life refuge/preserve" and list all the various critters. |
| 18:39.41 | Lopeppeppy | Campus Police can shoot it, Fisker, or call someone who can wrangle the bastard. Turtles, skunks, possums. I stop at things what can kill me. |
| 18:40.21 | Semlar | i can tell you the police aren't going to call someone who can wrangle it |
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| 18:40.54 | Fisker | shoot it :( |
| 18:40.56 | Semlar | if you want it wrangled you need to call them yourself |
| 18:41.44 | Semlar | watching the police shoot a loose cow to death with handguns was pretty depressing |
| 18:42.02 | Cairenn | Holy crap @ the squirrel obstacle course! That's wild. |
| 18:43.04 | Semlar | anyway what are they going to do, take it to another nature preserve? |
| 18:43.35 | Gnarfoz | for example, yes |
| 18:44.55 | Semlar | alternatively you could not go into a nature preserve expecting the alligators to leave |
| 18:46.44 | Semlar | it's too late now, they've developed a taste for small dogs |
| 18:47.43 | Neffi | wait what? |
| 18:48.40 | Semlar | THEY'RE OUT FOR BLOOD |
| 18:48.45 | Neffi | OH GOD |
| 18:48.48 | Neffi | RUN ROXANNE |
| 18:48.58 | Semlar | i think you have me confused with another roxanne |
| 18:49.14 | Neffi | No, I know my Roxanne's |
| 18:49.18 | Neffi | err |
| 18:49.28 | Neffi | Too early for gramar |
| 18:52.07 | Neffi | IMO this looks like a god-awful unholy mess |
| 18:52.07 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/valve-unveils-touchpadtouchscreen-enabled-steam-controller-for-living-room/ |
| 18:52.31 | Neffi | I feel like the controller is gonna turn to me and ask me to feed it |
| 18:53.23 | nevcairiel | i think it could work out quite great |
| 18:53.50 | Neffi | I think we all need to stop forcing touch-based input where it doesn't make sense |
| 18:54.08 | Neffi | We get that smartphones use touch. It makes sense, because of soft buttons. And that's about where its usefulness ends. |
| 18:54.13 | nevcairiel | rather have those then the weird stick controls on the xbox 360 controller |
| 18:54.18 | Neffi | It doesn't feel futuristic anymore. It feels like shit. |
| 18:56.55 | nevcairiel | are you complaining about the touchscreen in the middle or the thumb pads now? :p |
| 18:57.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 18:58.29 | Fisker | That wasn't even a yes or no question :( |
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| 18:58.36 | Neffi | Both |
| 18:59.33 | nevcairiel | i always hated those mini-joysticks on traditional controllers |
| 18:59.55 | nevcairiel | if they can combine these thumb pads with good haptic feedback, it sure sounds interesting |
| 19:00.55 | nevcairiel | and the touch screen for rarely used control functionality sounds like a good idea, as long as it doesnt get too involved into the game action |
| 19:00.59 | Neffi | Mini joysticks? |
| 19:01.08 | Neffi | Like, the standard PS3 controller? |
| 19:01.28 | nevcairiel | what do i know how they call them, thumbsticks? |
| 19:01.35 | TC-Work | Well the fact that the touch screen is replicated on the big screen makes it much more useful. |
| 19:01.40 | Neffi | I don't mind having a touchpad somewhere. But I don't want that integrated into the primary control. Primary control should be tactile by definition. |
| 19:02.00 | nevcairiel | according to your definition, not a general truth :p |
| 19:02.07 | Neffi | And I'm not gonna look down at a screen. Yeah, Steam will replicate the mini-display on-screen when you click on it, but then why have the mini-display at all. |
| 19:02.08 | TC-Work | Like he said, if it has good haptic feedback, it will feel like a joystick....or at least close. |
| 19:02.26 | Neffi | Touchpads should be used for soft input only |
| 19:02.47 | nevcairiel | I just dont think you can condemn it from one concept image, feels like you're a bitter old man :) |
| 19:02.59 | Neffi | Maybe |
| 19:03.10 | TC-Work | I'm a bitter old man, and I am still willing to give it a try |
| 19:03.41 | Neffi | Solving tacticility with in afterthought in haptic feedback has never really been an acceptable solution |
| 19:03.46 | Neffi | It never feels right |
| 19:03.55 | nevcairiel | maybe it was never done right before? |
| 19:03.59 | TC-Work | Yet |
| 19:04.12 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound like an afterthought here, more like a key part in the concept |
| 19:04.35 | Neffi | I think its an exercise in futility. Why remove the tactility only to add it back later, when you can circumvent the whole thing and give us real controls? |
| 19:05.05 | nevcairiel | people said similar things about the mouse, why do we need it, we like what we have, and see what happened |
| 19:05.27 | nevcairiel | in any case, you dont have to use it |
| 19:05.31 | Neffi | The mouse didn't replace the keyboard, it supplemented it |
| 19:05.39 | TC-Work | Neffi: because then you flexibility. A touchpad with haptic feedback can be many things, not just one. |
| 19:05.48 | Neffi | And I'm all for a touchpad that supplements real controls |
| 19:06.05 | nevcairiel | controllers already have too many buttons and things to use |
| 19:06.43 | nevcairiel | well, stick to your xbox or ps3 controller then, its not a mandatory thing to use the new one =) |
| 19:08.14 | Neffi | bah. *mumble* *mumble* get off my lawn |
| 19:08.41 | TC-Work | No, your lawn is nice |
| 19:09.10 | Neffi | You crazy kids!!! |
| 19:09.42 | TC-Work | slingshots a pebbel at Mr. Neffi |
| 19:09.53 | TC-Work | pebble* |
| 19:10.24 | Fisker | that's my property TC-Work |
| 19:10.37 | Neffi | You little shits better get the hell outta here before i call the cops do your parents know where you are you little fuckin brats |
| 19:10.41 | Neffi | *winded* |
| 19:11.56 | TC-Work | shoots Mr. Fisker as well |
| 19:12.02 | Fisker | nope :( |
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| 19:58.41 | Torhal | Neffi: You forgot "Pull up your pants!" |
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| 20:48.28 | jleclanche | COME ON BLIZZARD |
| 20:48.28 | jleclanche | what |
| 20:48.28 | jleclanche | the fuck |
| 20:48.47 | Gnarfoz | COME ONE jleclanche, what the fuck |
| 20:48.52 | Gnarfoz | are you moaning about |
| 20:48.54 | jleclanche | no this is bad. sec |
| 20:49.29 | TC-Work | Regardless, it's still a game. |
| 20:49.42 | jleclanche | this isnt a game |
| 20:49.49 | jleclanche | this is bad coding practices |
| 20:50.06 | TC-Work | Yes....for a game. |
| 20:50.23 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/uRond4cRQ0XK |
| 20:50.52 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 20:51.01 | Gnarfoz | that looks like a regression, actually |
| 20:51.11 | Gnarfoz | those should drop items that give VP on use |
| 20:51.16 | Gnarfoz | to avoid /exactly/ that situation |
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| 20:51.33 | Gnarfoz | (they changed that in 5.3, they gave/dropped VP in 5.2 initially) |
| 20:51.39 | Semlar | doesn't avoid the problem |
| 20:51.45 | jleclanche | thats exactly the opposite Gnarfoz |
| 20:51.49 | jleclanche | they dropped items in 5.2 |
| 20:51.58 | Gnarfoz | it makes sure you don't lose them because the mob despawns, Semlar. which is enough |
| 20:52.06 | jleclanche | they started dropping VPs in 5.3 when blizzard figured out it made sense |
| 20:52.12 | Semlar | the cache they gave you contained justice points and i could never loot them because i was always close to the cap |
| 20:52.17 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: it makes sense? you're right now seeing it doesn't! |
| 20:52.32 | jleclanche | erm. |
| 20:52.38 | jleclanche | it should leave 5 VPs on the body and take 10 |
| 20:52.43 | jleclanche | this isnt rocket dickery |
| 20:52.47 | Gnarfoz | it should just award VP |
| 20:52.52 | jleclanche | or that yes |
| 20:52.53 | Gnarfoz | and not make it a fucking item to begin with |
| 20:52.54 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:53.23 | Semlar | having to loot is dumb |
| 20:53.24 | Gnarfoz | back to badges like in BC! |
| 20:53.30 | Semlar | everything should be teleported into your inventory |
| 20:54.57 | jleclanche | what gives 10 vps easily |
| 20:55.01 | jleclanche | i need to finish this |
| 20:55.12 | Semlar | queue for a scenario |
| 20:55.22 | jleclanche | that JPs |
| 20:55.31 | jleclanche | wait no, its not |
| 20:55.41 | jleclanche | meh ok |
| 20:55.46 | Gnarfoz | spend vp until you can loot Goda |
| 20:55.47 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:55.57 | Semlar | spend exactly 5 valor points on something |
| 20:56.01 | jleclanche | erm |
| 20:56.03 | jleclanche | that wont help |
| 20:56.09 | jleclanche | its my weekly cap that's problematic |
| 20:56.15 | jleclanche | the overall cap is 3k |
| 20:56.37 | Gnarfoz | oh you're only at 990/3k, yeah didn't look for that |
| 20:56.51 | Semlar | it would still let you loot it, it just isn't what you want |
| 20:57.17 | Gnarfoz | (maybe the item interacts badly with the weekly cap but not with the overall cap? no idea) |
| 20:57.37 | Semlar | i'm willing to bet it works exactly the same way for both caps |
| 20:57.37 | Gnarfoz | anyway, scenario is probably your best bet ;p |
| 20:57.55 | jleclanche | scenario queues are 33 mins |
| 20:57.58 | jleclanche | out of the question |
| 20:57.59 | Gnarfoz | or go do ToT to kill those mobs that give 10 VP :D |
| 20:58.02 | jleclanche | time for halfhill dailies |
| 20:58.07 | Semlar | find 2 people |
| 20:58.19 | Semlar | it should take maybe 30 seconds |
| 20:58.26 | Gnarfoz | yeah, 2 dailies should be quicker even with an instant queue |
| 20:58.41 | Semlar | psh |
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| 21:13.55 | Neffi | hahaha http://i.imgur.com/s5zFS80.jpg |
| 21:54.10 | Semlar | can table.remove be safely called on the table you're looping over with ipairs |
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| 21:55.26 | Neffi | Define safely |
| 21:55.38 | Semlar | is it going to break the loop if i remove an entry while i'm looping over it |
| 21:55.49 | Neffi | Removal during iteration is fine. But whether or not it behaves correctly in an array depends on your code. |
| 21:56.02 | Neffi | Arrays have a nice little caveat when doing that |
| 21:56.25 | Semlar | it's a table containing functions i need to call after a delay so onupdate it checks if it should call the function and then removes it from the table |
| 21:56.53 | Neffi | Say you're iterating 1-10. You're at 4 and you decide to remove 4. Your iterator jumps up to 5, which is the old 6, and the old 5 get sskipped. |
| 21:57.09 | Neffi | So you have to consider how you're doing it |
| 21:57.30 | Semlar | i could iterate over it backwards if i have to it doesn't really matter |
| 21:57.33 | Neffi | This is why I recommend using a "for i = 1,#tbl" loop and indexing/deleting manually |
| 21:57.53 | Semlar | what about for #tbl, 1, -1 |
| 21:57.58 | Neffi | that works too |
| 21:58.13 | Neffi | Manual iteration is more efficient and you have more control over it |
| 21:58.28 | Neffi | ipairs is even being deprecated in mainline Lua because it's pointless |
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| 21:59.45 | Neffi | Well if your functions get called once, definitely execute (don't get deleted before they execute) then an array is the most efficient traversal over them, so yes write it using an array |
| 22:00.44 | Semlar | i can do this to pop the first two entries off right local a, b = tremove(tbl, 1), tremove(tbl, 1) |
| 22:01.03 | Neffi | tes |
| 22:01.05 | Neffi | yes&' |
| 22:01.07 | Neffi | fuck |
| 22:01.27 | Semlar | i basically have { expiration time, callback function, arguments.. } |
| 22:01.28 | Neffi | So yeah, you could just treat it like a stack and keep popping off index 1 |
| 22:01.45 | Neffi | But I think tremove(tbl,1) would be less efficient that iterating over an array backwards and removing as you go |
| 22:01.49 | Semlar | then remove the first two entries and unpack the rest |
| 22:02.09 | Neffi | I don't recall how Lua handles re-organizing the array when a low index is removed |
| 22:02.13 | Neffi | So it might be less efficient |
| 22:02.58 | Neffi | In either case it's probably not a big difference unless this is running a shitload |
| 22:03.10 | Semlar | it's not going to be run that much |
| 22:03.20 | Neffi | Either method works fine |
| 22:04.03 | Xinhuan | Lua has a special property/rule where, during iteration if you use ipairs()/pairs(), you can safely remove table entries that has _already_ been iterated over |
| 22:04.19 | Xinhuan | including the one you are iterating on |
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| 22:05.29 | Neffi | I did not know that. Nice |
| 22:05.44 | Semlar | i was pretty sure that was the case |
| 22:05.58 | Xinhuan | if you're using a for i = 1,#tbl, it is always safe, but usually wrong if you remove elements, because the loop counter "i" in this case is reset to the iteration counter value at the start of the loop, even if you modify i (which is unlike say c++) |
| 22:06.23 | Semlar | i'm just going to loop over it backwards so it won't matter if i remove the entries |
| 22:06.36 | Xinhuan | yep, that always works |
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| 23:14.28 | Ackis | who would've thought that sending facebook the message that someone is dead would be so hard |
| 23:30.02 | TC-Work | Don't do it over facebook? |
| 23:30.25 | Torhal | I think he means to disable an account. |
| 23:43.51 | TC-Work | 3 brownouts in a row |
| 23:44.06 | TC-Work | that was nifty |
| 23:51.06 | Gnarfoz | I thought they actually had forms for that |
