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| 00:19.01 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/content/store/screen.png << I had to turn down monitor contrast to get this to actually show :/ |
| 00:21.48 | foxlit | not that lightly transparent backgrounds of that style work well in wow. |
| 00:21.51 | kd3 | ow bright |
| 00:22.59 | kd3 | I wonder how much forum qqing is going on about blizz nerfing fun? http://wowpedia.org/Alcohol-Free_Brewfest_Sampler |
| 00:24.54 | Neffi | It seems stupid, but if they're turning the game alcohol free it's a big deal |
| 00:25.31 | Neffi | It's things like this that tell a believable story and give a believable atmosphere. That counts towards immersion and the quality of the game's lore. |
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| 02:11.58 | pompy | huh? lol https://www.facebook.com/SpaceX/posts/10153278698770131?comment_id=43790689&offset=0&total_comments=61 |
| 02:27.28 | pompy | Cairenn: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=557889277599101&set=a.414413855279978.99986.276710412383657&type=1 |
| 02:28.30 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 03:38.08 | kd3 | not how lambos are supposed to look: http://i.imgur.com/76F7Qn2.jpg |
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| 03:53.57 | Neffi | how the fuck |
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| 04:05.08 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/linkedin-sued-by-users-who-say-it-hacked-their-e-mail-accounts/ damn |
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| 04:31.53 | karl_w_w | god damn |
| 04:32.03 | karl_w_w | ah ok i remembered |
| 04:32.13 | karl_w_w | nevermind me, talking to myself :P |
| 05:00.53 | Fisker | drive-by hugs Cairenn |
| 05:01.02 | Cairenn | :) |
| 05:01.35 | Cairenn | is hugged, and hugs in return |
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| 05:07.08 | pompy1 | hugged by fisker? oh mann. |
| 05:08.00 | karl_w_w | dream come true right? |
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| 06:25.10 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/Rkizt78 vs. http://imgur.com/gallery/Y6qCHu6 |
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| 06:58.17 | Semlar | that's not a fair comparison |
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| 07:12.50 | mikma | yes, yes it is |
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| 08:05.47 | karl_w_w | http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/copyrightWrapper/watermark.php?display=true&image=http://bp3.uuuploads.com/fun-maps/fun-maps-38.jpg map of countries not officially using the metric system |
| 08:16.02 | mikma | or is it a map of countries with pandas |
| 08:21.30 | bluipodcow | Poor pandas |
| 08:21.34 | bluipodcow | Day bored |
| 08:21.41 | Semlar | bored of the metric system |
| 08:21.58 | Semlar | why do you think they come here |
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| 09:05.51 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10100180950241458&set=a.835300743848.2201987.39704112&type=1&theater |
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| 10:37.11 | Fisker | nothing wrong with hugs pompy1 |
| 10:52.24 | Cairenn | ^^ |
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| 11:17.32 | sylvanaar | Shirik: what do you use for an ultra-wide |
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| 12:31.02 | pompy1 | Fisker: not at all |
| 12:36.29 | pompy1 | http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/22/world/africa/kenya-mall-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 jeez |
| 12:37.17 | Fisker | then why "oh man" it? |
| 12:44.24 | pompy1 | just messin. |
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| 12:49.47 | karl_w_w | New Yorkers. Some of them go through 110 stories in 5 seconds. |
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| 13:23.59 | Fisker | oh ok pompy1 |
| 13:24.21 | Fisker | true ipv6 foxlit from your isp or? |
| 13:52.18 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i got an email telling me my flight times have changed by 1 minute |
| 13:54.50 | pompy1 | lol |
| 13:55.57 | Fisker | aww Arrowmaster :( |
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| 14:36.32 | pompy1 | gotta change ur plans now for that 1 min diff! |
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| 15:04.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: Nice |
| 15:08.10 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9VVa9NahSQ |
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| 15:09.55 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:11.13 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 15:11.18 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 15:11.23 | bluspacecow | i has nap! |
| 15:22.21 | Fisker | I has sick |
| 15:22.28 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 15:24.35 | Thunder_Child | Surprise! |
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| 15:31.44 | Industrial | Is guild xp a percentage of player xp? |
| 15:32.34 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 15:32.55 | nevcairiel | guild gets xp when players do quests, but guild also gets xp from achievements and dungeon/raid boss kills |
| 15:33.01 | nevcairiel | but not from normal grinding, for example |
| 15:33.52 | Industrial | ok i need to grind honored with my new guild to get access to the BoA's |
| 15:33.55 | Industrial | >34 now |
| 15:33.57 | Fisker | why Thunder_Child ? |
| 15:33.58 | Industrial | L34* |
| 15:34.07 | bluspacecow | because |
| 15:34.09 | nevcairiel | thats reputation, not xp |
| 15:34.10 | bluspacecow | Rule 34 |
| 15:34.16 | Fisker | So |
| 15:34.23 | Fisker | before my brain has a complete meltdown |
| 15:34.54 | Fisker | Can GPO's specify like a path to a macro? |
| 15:34.59 | bluspacecow | melt downs are nommy |
| 15:35.05 | bluspacecow | *nomsFisker's brain* |
| 15:42.52 | Industrial | nevcairiel: yeah but i earn the rep with xp so im wondering how much xp i need for honored |
| 15:43.19 | nevcairiel | guild xp goes really fast |
| 15:43.27 | bluspacecow | eleventy billion |
| 15:43.51 | nevcairiel | i joined at level 1, at level 40 or so i already was exalted, honored probably after the first few hours |
| 15:45.03 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: Because you are always sick |
| 15:45.36 | Fisker | not really |
| 15:48.17 | Industrial | ok |
| 15:48.31 | Fisker | I need to go deeper |
| 15:49.05 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 15:49.07 | bluspacecow | oh mu |
| 15:49.09 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 15:49.19 | Fisker | no |
| 15:49.53 | Fisker | I'm running a teamviewer to a client on another network so i can connect to a TS gateway to yet another network so i can get into a server so i can enable remote desktop via registry on my work computer |
| 15:50.00 | Fisker | so i can remote into my work computer |
| 15:50.13 | bluspacecow | you went deeper |
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| 16:27.20 | karl_w_w | very erotic bluspacecow |
| 16:27.28 | bluspacecow | giggity |
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| 16:32.23 | bluspacecow | Elky ! |
| 16:32.26 | bluspacecow | *glomps* |
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| 16:56.16 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/forum/topic/9972897925#4 |
| 16:56.24 | bluspacecow | There's a Redspacecow and Greenspacecow ? |
| 17:02.58 | Fisker | why are you a bluespacecow bluspacecow ? |
| 17:03.05 | bluspacecow | i dunno |
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| 17:04.10 | Thunder_Child | He was born that way |
| 17:04.41 | Semlar | that's no excuse |
| 17:04.59 | foxlit | highwind albatrosses are hilarious for feral druids |
| 17:05.07 | foxlit | you can't shapeshift while grabbed. |
| 17:05.28 | Semlar | it also gets rid of your pet |
| 17:05.46 | foxlit | meh, at least you can still use your abilities. |
| 17:05.49 | Semlar | i've opted to just glide everywhere |
| 17:05.56 | Semlar | the birds are ungodly slow |
| 17:06.10 | kd3 | I used them as a sandwich break on the ptr |
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| 17:14.34 | jleclanche | in english, what's the opposite of "top view"? as in, a view from below the actual object |
| 17:14.37 | jleclanche | cant be bottom view can it? |
| 17:16.09 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 17:16.19 | kd3 | seems ok to me |
| 17:16.29 | Thunder_Child | top view, side view, bottom view. |
| 17:16.47 | Semlar | heh, bottom view |
| 17:16.59 | kd3 | you could be fancy and call it zenith/nadir if you want |
| 17:17.09 | Gnarfoz | except that'd not be english |
| 17:17.40 | Gnarfoz | wtf google has new word definition cards, now with historical word use |
| 17:18.10 | Thunder_Child | could say keel view, but that is usually a specific reference. |
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| 17:27.21 | jleclanche | kd3: how do you link to an image page without displaying the image in mediawiki? |
| 17:27.35 | kd3 | [[:File:Foo.jpg]] with the leading : |
| 17:27.46 | jleclanche | ta |
| 17:33.15 | fewyn | dark shamans hate melee |
| 17:33.24 | Semlar | and pets |
| 17:33.31 | Semlar | man do they hate pets |
| 17:36.32 | Semlar | actually my pet seems to have a lot of issues in the new raid |
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| 17:36.58 | Semlar | if i'm close to the front of immerseus and my pet goes behind him it just despawns because it's so far away |
| 17:41.40 | Gnarfoz | go to the back, then :D |
| 17:42.36 | Semlar | obviously, but this was when i was assigned to one of the areas toward the front |
| 17:43.41 | Semlar | it has convinced me to drop BM though |
| 17:44.09 | Semlar | it's too much of a dps loss when the pet isn't working |
| 17:52.07 | End | related to pets despawning, 5.4 has made my demonic gateway despawn easily again :< |
| 17:52.21 | End | every patch it starts disappearing early until they hotfix it again |
| 17:52.37 | End | (usually due to distance or whatever) |
| 17:53.31 | disc | anyone here uses bartender4? |
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| 17:55.10 | Neffi | Semlar: just for you http://goo.gl/uV21cC |
| 17:55.55 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=104293 |
| 17:56.50 | Semlar | if you can't use disengage because this counts as a root, can you still be knocked back |
| 17:57.22 | foxlit | dash force-shifts you into cat <3 |
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| 18:11.56 | Shirik | sylvanaar? |
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| 18:35.49 | Shirik | [[if you're the type of person who uses "password1" on all of your online accounts, you're literally worse at security than a bird that needs to password protect its own children.]] |
| 18:35.54 | Shirik | http://www.cracked.com/article_20571_6-weirdly-human-things-you-wont-believe-animals-do.html/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=fanpage&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage |
| 18:40.22 | p3lim | Did EJ_SetDifficulty change? |
| 18:43.00 | bluspacecow | http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/ |
| 18:43.02 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 18:43.27 | Dagmar | Oh my gawd |
| 18:45.06 | bluspacecow | ha ha someone tried their penis |
| 18:45.08 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 18:45.17 | Dagmar | You knew that was going to happen |
| 18:58.07 | zenzelezz | Shirik: the most common password at a big company over here was "liverpool1" |
| 18:59.04 | Dagmar | Announce staff executions for any employee whose pasword fails a JtR check more than once in a six-month period. |
| 18:59.34 | Fisker | A lot of people use our standard generated password with different numbers instead |
| 18:59.36 | Fisker | :e |
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| 19:00.11 | Dagmar | Well, if you're generating three category no-OI passwords, that's actually not all that bad |
| 19:00.43 | Fisker | These passwords are terrible |
| 19:00.59 | Dagmar | Keeping the keyspace to search large is important. A word will be in a dictionary check, and with permutation rules, a word might as well be one letter |
| 19:01.46 | nevcairiel | we have a silly rule of a new password every 90 days - what this really does is make people use the same password and append a number at the end |
| 19:02.56 | Dagmar | Someone was probably unable to get approval to run regular password audit |
| 19:03.21 | Dagmar | If they were able to enforce good passwords, they could likely safely run that up to six months |
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| 19:12.36 | Fisker | Yeah nevcairiel |
| 19:17.35 | Shirik | Dagmar: I like how you used "staff executions" |
| 19:17.53 | Kalroth | i got that problem, nev, i'm up to 1234567 now |
| 19:18.08 | Kalroth | turns out 1234 is too short a password for most sites too |
| 19:18.21 | nevcairiel | they only remember like 10 passwords, so you can wrap around sometime :P |
| 19:18.40 | Kalroth | haha |
| 19:19.44 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=577480322318441 |
| 19:19.48 | Shirik | why dogs are better than cats ^ |
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| 19:28.22 | Fisker | nonsense Shirik |
| 19:32.05 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQeIDhz-_eg |
| 19:32.07 | Stanzilla | cats master race |
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| 19:35.18 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: is there a way to clear out all "debug" data from the SUF SavedVariables? |
| 19:36.44 | Gnarfoz | mine is 10 MiB |
| 19:37.04 | Stanzilla | export layout, delete SV, import layout? |
| 19:37.06 | Stanzilla | would that work? |
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| 19:42.00 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: layout? |
| 19:42.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm talking about the entire SV file |
| 19:43.43 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: yeah not sure what is saved as/in the layout |
| 19:44.12 | Gnarfoz | doesn't matter, it's just 4 debug parts |
| 19:44.16 | Gnarfoz | I'll delete them by hand |
| 19:44.55 | Gnarfoz | something like 480k and 40k lines |
| 19:48.14 | mikma | http://youtu.be/t0RMGW-w8F0 |
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| 19:54.25 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: any place with scheduled password changes ends up like that |
| 20:02.41 | Neffi | Mode text editors should make that easy, Gnarfoz |
| 20:03.01 | Neffi | Fold the table the holds the debug data, then you only have to select 1 line to delete it all |
| 20:03.12 | Neffi | Most* |
| 20:03.22 | Gnarfoz | most, that files of that size |
| 20:03.31 | Gnarfoz | (and I said mine did, so... thanks for the advice? :P) |
| 20:03.47 | nevcairiel | while many editors can fold, but when you want to delete the whole folded section, it gets kinda icky in many |
| 20:04.00 | Gnarfoz | works fine in EditPad Pro ^^ |
| 20:04.11 | Gnarfoz | (also, I guess I only implied it ^^) |
| 20:04.19 | Neffi | I was always paranoid about doing that in code, but when I finally had a table big enough that I said "fuck it", I found out Notepad++ handles it perfectly |
| 20:04.49 | Neffi | Also not a bad idea to keep a backup of your WTF folder |
| 20:05.33 | Gnarfoz | I have one for each wow startup |
| 20:05.49 | Gnarfoz | and no, np++ is not ideal |
| 20:05.52 | Gnarfoz | since it chokes on big files |
| 20:06.02 | Gnarfoz | (not on a 10 MiB one, but combat logs... ergh.) |
| 20:06.04 | nevcairiel | yeah its kinda annoying |
| 20:06.18 | nevcairiel | but i otherwise like it, and since i dont usually open big files, i live with it :p |
| 20:06.32 | Gnarfoz | I use it for everything except big files, yeah |
| 20:13.30 | Neffi | Bah. I need a new video game. |
| 20:15.18 | Neffi | Single player games are getting boring. Rift feels too much like WoW. And I can't get into TERA's exaggerated Eastern style. |
| 20:16.58 | foxlit | gw2 spoils wow for you |
| 20:17.32 | Neffi | How so? |
| 20:18.01 | foxlit | the quest/event system is better. |
| 20:18.36 | foxlit | and I think that you can steer while falling |
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| 20:18.50 | Neffi | PvP is really important to me in MMOs |
| 20:19.03 | Neffi | Also I'm pretty damn broke |
| 20:22.53 | foxlit | pvp in mmos is weird |
| 20:24.32 | Neffi | PvP in WoW is pretty good |
| 20:24.49 | Neffi | Granted it has had much better days |
| 20:26.26 | Neffi | I wish they weren't afraid to throw out the progression model and give us the old AV back, a new Wintergrasp, and persistent open-world objectives that encourage pre-BG style world PvP |
| 20:26.27 | Neffi | I'd find the damn money to re-sub if they did |
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| 20:38.03 | Shirik | TIL the contract with Charter I'm grandfathered in on at 30 Mbps is equivalent in price to Charter's 100 Mbps service.... |
| 20:39.16 | Gnarfoz | switch? |
| 20:42.58 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.06 | foxlit | So doing Nalak might be a bit of a problem |
| 20:43.10 | Shirik | on hold right now Gnarfoz :) |
| 20:51.08 | Stanzilla | foxlit: oqueue |
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| 21:01.43 | foxlit | Stanzilla: it might work, but meh, that solution sucks. |
| 21:02.38 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 21:02.55 | Stanzilla | I want blizzard to build something like oqueue into wow |
| 21:03.00 | Stanzilla | and replace their lfr system |
| 21:03.22 | foxlit | I don't think replacing the LFR system is a good idea. |
| 21:03.44 | Stanzilla | well |
| 21:03.48 | Stanzilla | could be an option, too |
| 21:04.05 | Stanzilla | so you can go full random/retard or pick the guys yourself |
| 21:04.41 | foxlit | giant gaping chasm of game design :( |
| 21:05.36 | foxlit | Letting people pick guys themselves results in "LF 1 warrior for Nalak, ilvl 666 or gtfo, link achievements and realm-first FoS" |
| 21:07.08 | Semlar | i think perhaps you are exaggerating |
| 21:07.17 | Stanzilla | the tool could handle that |
| 21:07.36 | foxlit | but even if that doesn't happen, you don't really want to cut the skill pool for LFR further down either, or it severely limits encounter design to the level of facerolling. |
| 21:08.06 | Semlar | they used to have this tool in BC |
| 21:08.09 | Stanzilla | made a concept yesterday |
| 21:08.11 | Stanzilla | https://www.dropbox.com/s/wn8bsrp1ka3qbz7/new_lfr_001.jpg |
| 21:08.29 | foxlit | Not that LFR encounter design aspires to great heights anyway; I think I managed to clear most of ToT today with tanks who were radically opposed to the idea of letting stacking debuffs drop. |
| 21:08.45 | foxlit | Semlar: I had a raiding guild in BC. |
| 21:09.08 | foxlit | and the old LFR interface still exists; it's just not cross-realm. |
| 21:09.32 | foxlit | (and nobody uses it for anything, ever) |
| 21:15.21 | foxlit | heh, Shadowmeld solved it. Thanks, wowhead. |
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| 21:36.45 | Shirik | well then |
| 21:36.55 | Shirik | good news, apparently I'm exempt from the activation fee because of my grandfathered nature |
| 21:37.07 | Shirik | bad news, for some reason one of the bonded channels has a shitty SNR |
| 21:37.19 | Shirik | so activating the 100 Mbps service has turned my internet into crap |
| 21:37.33 | Neffi | I'm sure that can be fixed |
| 21:37.52 | Shirik | yeah but I need to call them back |
| 21:38.01 | Shirik | I've already taken the splitter out of the loop |
| 21:38.34 | Neffi | So I'm guessing it's a copper line, not fiber? |
| 21:39.16 | Shirik | yeah it's copper to the house at least |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | this is a bonded cable line |
| 21:39.49 | Neffi | Never seen that tbh |
| 21:40.09 | Shirik | basically instead of just giving you one channel to operate on, which is what the average household gets, they give you several |
| 21:40.13 | Shirik | and then you just talk on all of them |
| 21:40.33 | Shirik | and so that's how they can increase bandwidth while using the same frequencies |
| 21:40.38 | Shirik | so I have 4 channels now instead of one |
| 21:40.45 | Neffi | I know what it means. I've never seen a line like that run in residential area. |
| 21:40.46 | Shirik | except one of them is flaky so it's causing serious issues |
| 21:40.52 | Shirik | Charter's pretty cool |
| 21:41.33 | Neffi | I've heard good things. I enjoy my fiber line from Verizon though, |
| 21:42.08 | Neffi | Just found out they offer half-gigabit down, 100 mbit up. For almost $300. Now I'm wishing I had an extra $300 a month. |
| 21:42.13 | Shirik | I live in the middle of nowhere |
| 21:42.16 | Shirik | I have no hope of ever getting fiber |
| 21:42.32 | Neffi | You're lucky you get 100 mbit in the middle of nowhere |
| 21:42.35 | Shirik | ikr |
| 21:43.02 | Neffi | Where I was in PA, not even that far from cities with many offices, the top-tier was 30 mbit and it cost an arm and a leg. I had to settle with 5 mbit. |
| 21:43.29 | Neffi | And it was shady as fuck. Dropping connections as often as packets, and that was a lot |
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| 21:46.17 | Neffi | Out of curiosity, what are you paying for a 100 mbit line, Shirik? |
| 21:46.27 | Shirik | what am _I_ paying? $0 :) |
| 21:46.33 | Shirik | But it's $100/mo |
| 21:46.34 | Neffi | lol |
| 21:46.46 | Shirik | my company pays for my internet service |
| 21:46.49 | Neffi | I guess that's about in line with what I expected. That's a lot though. |
| 21:47.06 | Neffi | That's pretty awesome |
| 21:47.27 | Neffi | I wish my company paid for my internet -- I mean, I wish I had a company -- I mena, I wish I could find a job at all |
| 21:50.27 | xyphoid | does it count as 'paying for your internet' if you spend all your time in the office :( |
| 21:51.25 | Neffi | lol |
| 21:51.45 | Neffi | Only if you can spend plenty of time playing WoW with impunity |
| 21:51.59 | Sapu | sry to disrupt with a serious question ;) - does anybody know if OnUpdate scripts are called in any particular order? perhaps they order they are set? |
| 21:52.11 | Sapu | the order* |
| 21:52.38 | Neffi | The order is undefined |
| 21:52.48 | Semlar | i wouldn't rely on any sort of order |
| 21:52.49 | Neffi | In other words, you cannot count on them to fire in any particular order |
| 21:52.55 | Neffi | Nor should you |
| 21:53.12 | Sapu | ok, well in my basic tests they are in order, so even if it's technically undefined that's fine |
| 21:53.14 | Neffi | If you feel you need them to be called in a certain order, you're approaching the problem incorrectly |
| 21:53.34 | Sapu | this is a best-effort thing anyways, so doesn't have to be gaurenteed |
| 21:54.02 | Neffi | Why not have a single OnUpdate, and then manually call specific functions in desired order? |
| 21:54.22 | Sapu | i'm trying to have my OnUpdate fire before any other addon's...this is for a library |
| 21:54.22 | Neffi | Or you can do a :HookScript if you're working with somebody else's OnUpdate |
| 21:54.32 | Neffi | That's not going to happen |
| 21:54.49 | Neffi | And nobody is going to use your library, because trying to design it that way suggests you're approaching problems poorly |
| 21:55.05 | Semlar | harsh dude |
| 21:55.12 | Neffi | Describe what the OnUpdate does and we can give you some feedback for how you should craft it |
| 21:55.19 | Neffi | Harsh? Or honest? |
| 21:55.24 | Sapu | fortunately the library doesn't depend on this, as I said |
| 21:55.45 | Sapu | and I'm working with Auctioneer and Carbonite devs on this, so yes people will use it |
| 21:56.01 | Semlar | the carbonite devs don't dev any more |
| 21:56.08 | Sapu | http://www.wowace.com/addons/accuratetime/ if you're interested |
| 21:56.24 | Sapu | Rythal took over Carbonite development |
| 21:56.29 | Semlar | yes |
| 21:56.44 | Sapu | he's the one I'm working with |
| 21:56.45 | Neffi | The reason people don't really use OnUpdate is that it's not particularly accurate |
| 21:56.57 | Neffi | Semlaaar, you don't have to put on the red light |
| 21:57.09 | Semlar | stop that |
| 21:57.18 | Neffi | You don't have to sell your body to the night |
| 21:57.29 | Semlar | what shortfalls are you trying to fix with this addon |
| 21:57.32 | Sapu | I'm not using it for accuracy, don't worry |
| 21:57.45 | Neffi | Semlar: You know my mind is made up, so put away your makeup |
| 21:57.54 | Sapu | the point of the OnUpdate part is simply to do a best-effort recovery from another addon somehow loading before this library and doing something stupid |
| 21:57.59 | nebula169_ | AccurateTime isn't to be used for accuracy! |
| 21:58.09 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:58.15 | Stanzilla | Sapu: AddOns should not call debugprofilestart() because this breaks the functionality of debugprofilestop() for everybody else (the timer gets reset). There is no reason to call debugprofilestart() because you can get the same effect with an initial call to debugprofilestop() that you subtract from the value from subsequent calls of debugprofilestop(). |
| 21:58.26 | Semlar | yeah you just call stop twice |
| 21:58.26 | Neffi | Well I won't knock you for your effort |
| 21:58.35 | Neffi | But debugprofilestart/stop is never to be used in production |
| 21:58.46 | Neffi | It's specifically for debugging. Don't leave debugging in production code. |
| 21:58.52 | Sapu | lots of addons use it |
| 21:58.58 | Semlar | uh |
| 21:59.04 | Sapu | it's the only way to get accurate sub-second timing |
| 21:59.06 | Semlar | it's for debugging purposes only |
| 21:59.07 | Stanzilla | I think someone pissed in Neffi's tea |
| 21:59.23 | Neffi | but, but.. I'm drinking beer |
| 22:01.20 | Semlar | does auctioneer seriously use the start call |
| 22:01.35 | Sapu | no |
| 22:01.41 | Neffi | That makes me really sad, and really happy I use Auctionator |
| 22:01.57 | Sapu | I did for a while, but other addons do still. |
| 22:02.04 | Neffi | Also, I hope these aren't used in Blizz code, 'cause if they are, your methods will taint |
| 22:02.28 | Sapu | Having a library that uses them won't change that :) |
| 22:02.55 | Semlar | replacing the function with your own would |
| 22:02.57 | Sapu | and I don't see why blizzard would use them, but guess they've done stranger things... |
| 22:03.23 | Sapu | like try and make dividing by zero throw an error, every single patch for over a year now, and then revert it at the last minute |
| 22:03.43 | Neffi | wait, what? |
| 22:04.06 | Sapu | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3279039146 - started with 4.3 |
| 22:04.15 | Sapu | and was in the PTR for 5.3 until the last 2 weeks |
| 22:04.24 | Sapu | and nearly every patch in between |
| 22:04.50 | Semlar | i don't even |
| 22:05.02 | Semlar | who is writing addons that require you to do this |
| 22:05.23 | Neffi | Either that's a really hackish way to debug something internally, or some pissed off dev is convinced Lua's behavior when dividing by zero is evil and won't stop trying to change it |
| 22:05.38 | bleeter | old: http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid |
| 22:05.42 | Neffi | There was a really good reason for diving by zero |
| 22:05.47 | Sapu | there's a ton of uses for infinity and NAN, but meh |
| 22:05.48 | Neffi | !lua (0/0) == (0/0) |
| 22:05.57 | Neffi | well, the bot's not working |
| 22:05.57 | Gnarfoz | lua> true |
| 22:06.01 | Neffi | but I think that was it |
| 22:06.04 | Gnarfoz | neither one of them, apparently. |
| 22:06.25 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: NaN is not NaN |
| 22:06.34 | Gnarfoz | thanks? |
| 22:06.36 | Gnarfoz | I wasn't asking |
| 22:06.36 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 22:06.57 | Semlar | tons of uses? |
| 22:07.07 | foxlit | your message looked too much like a wrong response to Neffi's. |
| 22:07.15 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 22:07.22 | Sapu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.23 | Neffi | Yeah that's what I assumed at first |
| 22:07.24 | Sapu | => true |
| 22:07.28 | Gnarfoz | except it's one of the bots' syntaxes |
| 22:09.10 | Semlar | isn't math.huge a reference to lua's inf |
| 22:09.13 | foxlit | so WoW patched that. |
| 22:09.15 | Sapu | yes |
| 22:09.27 | Neffi | Yes but there's no intuitive reference to NaN |
| 22:09.35 | Neffi | So you either do 0/0 or.. math.log(-1) ? |
| 22:09.45 | Semlar | but why do you need this |
| 22:09.46 | Sapu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.49 | Sapu | => true |
| 22:09.51 | Sapu | which is fun :P |
| 22:10.03 | Neffi | Because Semlar |
| 22:10.11 | Sapu | for a real NaN equality check, you have to use tostring() |
| 22:10.18 | Neffi | I don't need it, but some code does. |
| 22:10.51 | Semlar | ..type checking? |
| 22:10.59 | Sapu | 1/0 is guarenteed to be larger than anything else. One trivial example would be for sorting if you want to ensure that something goes at the start (or end). |
| 22:11.40 | Semlar | that just doesn't seem like a very good way to do that to me |
| 22:12.06 | Sapu | My addon (TSM) uses 0/0 when evaluating user-entered mathematical expressions so that if one part is invalid, the whole thing is invalid (ends up being 0/0). |
| 22:14.13 | foxlit | Heh, it depends on your client |
| 22:14.27 | foxlit | ((0/0) == (0/0)) == false on os x. |
| 22:14.45 | Sapu | in wow? or lua directly? |
| 22:14.59 | foxlit | similarly, it's an invalid table key. Clearly it's only windows developers that are insane |
| 22:15.03 | foxlit | in wow. |
| 22:15.06 | Sapu | interesting |
| 22:15.39 | Neffi | I guess they know not to put on the red light |
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| 22:23.05 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: hahahhaha (@ the ferrets) |
| 22:32.23 | Shirik | Apparently Charter is going to send someone to my house tomorrow :( |
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| 22:35.37 | zenzelezz | and this is :( why? |
| 22:36.22 | Shirik | because not fixed today |
| 22:36.39 | Shirik | I miss the days that I had a business internet line |
| 22:36.40 | Neffi | 1 day wait isn't that bad |
| 22:36.45 | Shirik | yeah actually it's really not bad :P |
| 22:37.35 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4 |
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| 22:44.00 | Shirik | also Neffi |
| 22:44.07 | Shirik | sometimes there are upsides to living in the middle of nowhere :D |
| 22:44.17 | Neffi | There are plenty of upsides |
| 22:44.19 | Neffi | I love it tbh |
| 22:44.37 | bleeter | I thought USA was everything and everywhere? |
| 22:44.52 | Shirik | funny thing is there really isn't a good reason for them to come out anymore |
| 22:44.53 | Neffi | But when I was out there I sincerely missed having various sources of really great readily available food, and high quality internet |
| 22:45.09 | Shirik | they've temporarily reduced my account down to 2 bonded channels instead of 4 |
| 22:45.20 | Shirik | which gets rid of the sick channel and is still putting up like 70 Mbps |
| 22:45.42 | Shirik | I'd be ok with that :P |
| 22:45.46 | Shirik | but they don't like it |
| 22:55.24 | Neffi | I have this line in my code that I can't remember for a "5.2" secure menu.. |
| 22:55.31 | Neffi | frame:SetAttribute('*type2','togglemenu') |
| 22:55.36 | Neffi | Was this added to the game or no? |
| 23:08.50 | Xuerian | usa everything everywhere? |
| 23:08.53 | Xuerian | Not sure if that's sarcasm or not |
| 23:09.51 | kd3 | o_O; Pilot makes emergency landing on Lake Shore Drive at Grant Park in Chicago. "Two vehicles struck the aircraft's left wing after he landed but drove off" [Scary] |
| 23:10.21 | kd3 | http://www.suntimes.com/22723259-761/lombard-pilot-unhurt-in-emergency-landing-on-lake-shore-drive.html |
| 23:10.23 | Xuerian | Not the worst thing they'd hit that day in Chicago.. |
| 23:11.36 | g0urra | heh, YouTube didn't actually remove video responses, they just hid them |
| 23:28.07 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/EKiPA8B.gif |
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| 23:39.20 | Clamsoda | Hello. |
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| 23:44.16 | Neffi | Hello Sir Clam Stormborn, the Unburnt, the Father of Dragons, the Silver Kind, the Son of Death, the Slayer of Lies, the Groom of Fire, the Dragon King |
| 23:44.37 | Neffi | True King of the Seven Kingdoms |
| 23:44.40 | Neffi | and so on |
