| 00:02.15 | Semlar | no |
| 00:02.35 | Semlar | i don't care about anything i have no control over |
| 00:02.48 | Semlar | what would be the point |
| 00:02.56 | Neffi | So if I decide to get wasted and dance naked on your lawn, is that OK Semlar? |
| 00:03.10 | Semlar | it would be awkward |
| 00:03.23 | Neffi | Awkward? Or awesome? |
| 00:03.27 | Semlar | but i also don't go outside so probably wouldn't notice |
| 00:05.20 | Neffi | Oh trust me, you'll notice |
| 00:05.29 | Neffi | You can't ignore my manhood |
| 00:05.40 | Semlar | i'm pretty good at ignoring things |
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| 00:11.47 | kd3 | neat. a shot of this morning's antares launch in false-color infrared: http://www.nasa.gov/content/antares-rocket-with-cygnus-spacecraft-launches/ |
| 00:12.49 | Semlar | why isn't it real colors |
| 00:12.59 | kd3 | read the last line at the bottom |
| 00:16.33 | TC-Work | It doesn't say why |
| 00:21.07 | kd3 | "Editor's Note: This image is a false color infrared image made from a modified digital SLR camera." |
| 00:21.40 | Semlar | it says what it is, they don't really explain why they took it that way |
| 00:22.04 | kd3 | you can get more info about a system if you don't limit yourself to the visible wavelengths? |
| 00:23.04 | Neffi | Not necessarily |
| 00:23.18 | Neffi | Just different information, because he's still limiting himself to infrared |
| 00:23.25 | Neffi | ;) |
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| 00:49.09 | Mr_Rabies | because photographers do stuff like that |
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| 01:33.11 | Shirik | http://imgur.com/rxi1ytm |
| 01:33.18 | Shirik | I can make the joke because I'm that dog :( |
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| 01:48.28 | Neffi | http://www.flickr.com/photos/keochkeriandavid/sets/72157632310881021/ |
| 01:48.36 | Neffi | Infrared photography can be pretty beautiful |
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| 01:49.28 | Semlar | oh yeah? well i have photoshop |
| 01:49.57 | Semlar | i can make my own neon pink trees |
| 01:51.59 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:52.06 | Semlar | foxlit wanted me to use some sort of gossip protocol to spread my messages but i don't see how that would even work since you don't know who else is running the addon.. |
| 01:52.30 | Neffi | I'm not familiar with gossip protocols |
| 01:53.19 | Neffi | Is there an addon comm channel for the current zone? |
| 01:53.20 | Semlar | it would pretty much be using whispers to send data directly to other players |
| 01:53.25 | Semlar | no |
| 01:53.29 | Neffi | Hmm |
| 01:53.34 | Semlar | the only addon channels are for your group or guild basically |
| 01:53.51 | Neffi | If so you could have a distributed database of people build up over time as you change zones. That's unfortunate. |
| 01:54.08 | Neffi | I think what you want is a global channel and there's no good way around that |
| 01:54.27 | Neffi | The only way to avoid the global channel is to gimp the functionality so it only works with guilds and groups |
| 01:54.39 | Semlar | yep |
| 01:54.58 | Neffi | So does anyone know why the YouTube logo is a cat? |
| 01:55.03 | Shirik | tbh |
| 01:55.06 | Neffi | And why YT has taken on a white/black theme |
| 01:55.07 | Shirik | that looks more like HDR IR |
| 01:55.08 | Semlar | because it's on the internet |
| 01:55.22 | Shirik | and photoshop |
| 01:55.22 | Neffi | Most likely is HDR IR |
| 01:55.31 | Neffi | And I'm sure Photoshop is used in editing and coloring |
| 01:55.31 | Semlar | my youtube logo is not a cat |
| 01:55.34 | Shirik | like reflections don't work like that |
| 01:55.56 | Semlar | reflections don't work like what |
| 01:56.08 | Neffi | What I find beautiful about them is the unintuitive coloring and saturation that goes along with imaging in infrared |
| 01:56.29 | Shirik | I totally like it |
| 01:56.40 | Neffi | His work is beautiful though, photo manip or not |
| 01:56.42 | Shirik | yes |
| 01:58.42 | Neffi | So wait, is nobody else seeing this version of YouTube right now? |
| 01:58.42 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/kfZV6rU.png |
| 01:58.55 | jleclanche | Shirik: you know anything about xmpp? |
| 01:59.02 | Neffi | Notice the logo and the color of the seek bar |
| 01:59.08 | Semlar | my youtube does not look like that |
| 01:59.13 | Neffi | weird |
| 01:59.19 | Neffi | I've seen this before I believe. Long time ago. |
| 01:59.22 | Semlar | but they also use multiple servers |
| 01:59.28 | Cairenn | Looks normal to me |
| 01:59.28 | Shirik | sorry nope |
| 01:59.29 | Shirik | we don't use it |
| 01:59.30 | Semlar | also you may just be going crazy |
| 01:59.33 | Neffi | It's been like this all day |
| 01:59.40 | Neffi | >_> |
| 01:59.47 | Cairenn | You've been hacked :p |
| 01:59.51 | Semlar | how do i know this screenshot isn't just a figment of your imagination |
| 02:00.14 | Neffi | hmm |
| 02:00.26 | Neffi | Well the time suggests it was just taken, so I'd have to be quick with Photoshop |
| 02:02.15 | Semlar | maybe you signed up for the cat version on accident |
| 02:02.46 | Semlar | does it have other cat-specific features? |
| 02:03.03 | Semlar | perhaps random laser pointers in the background |
| 02:03.08 | Neffi | Nothing |
| 02:03.12 | Neffi | It's kinda bugging me out |
| 02:03.26 | Neffi | Google gives me nothing. Even a reverse image search of the logo turns up nothing |
| 02:03.57 | Semlar | is the image actually hosted on youtube |
| 02:04.13 | Neffi | It's base64 encoded in the src= line |
| 02:05.21 | Semlar | are you sure it's not one of your plugins |
| 02:05.33 | Semlar | disable your extensions |
| 02:06.05 | Seerah | Neffi: the favicon for your YouTube pages are also a pause button instead of a play button... |
| 02:06.16 | Semlar | to be far it's paused |
| 02:06.17 | Neffi | Haha, found it |
| 02:06.18 | Semlar | fair |
| 02:06.34 | Neffi | The YouTube addon adds the cat logo every year on Sept 18 |
| 02:06.47 | Semlar | why |
| 02:06.57 | Seerah | for my birfday |
| 02:07.02 | Semlar | oh |
| 02:07.07 | Semlar | are you a cat |
| 02:07.11 | Seerah | lol |
| 02:07.12 | Neffi | "Some people call this an easter-egg. We call it letting the world know we miss our son." |
| 02:07.15 | Neffi | Maybe his cat died |
| 02:08.52 | Semlar | i think a better question is why isn't it a cat the rest of the year |
| 02:09.13 | kd3 | oh, birthday |
| 02:09.36 | Seerah | ~pat kd3 |
| 02:09.37 | purl | ACTION pats kd3 and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 02:10.33 | TC-Work | jleclanche: we use it at work |
| 02:13.46 | Semlar | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info22504-TIRareCoordinator-FanModRareCoordinator.html oh, somebody made a thing |
| 02:14.19 | Semlar | :[ |
| 02:14.33 | TC-Work | Your thing may be better than their thing |
| 02:14.40 | Semlar | MY THING IS ALWAYS BETTER |
| 02:14.51 | TC-Work | So says you. |
| 02:14.52 | Semlar | that is in no way biased |
| 02:17.29 | Semlar | well this is what i get for taking so long |
| 02:17.41 | Semlar | if only i weren't so lazy |
| 02:18.14 | Semlar | i wonder how this handles CRZ |
| 02:18.36 | jleclanche | TC-Work: i cant find details on how auth is implemented at a low level. i was wondering if there is a way to pass other things than a password to the server |
| 02:18.39 | jleclanche | but it doesnt seem like it |
| 02:18.43 | jleclanche | in my case i have an apikey |
| 02:19.00 | TC-Work | It should be able to since one of the options is to create the account on the server |
| 02:19.17 | TC-Work | at least with pidgin |
| 02:21.37 | Semlar | well, i guess it doesn't handle CRZ at all |
| 02:22.13 | Semlar | it seems like it would be a huge problem if you were to broadcast a kill that you saw on another server |
| 02:27.31 | Semlar | any ideas for compressing a table of information down to fit in the 128 character limit |
| 02:28.04 | Semlar | it's mostly numbers and i was thinking i could combine every 2 numbers into a character |
| 02:28.30 | Semlar | just use the string.char function |
| 02:30.14 | Neffi | Serialize and compress? |
| 02:30.21 | Torhal | http://i.imgur.com/gkeAUXI.png |
| 02:30.39 | Neffi | There was an Ace lib for serializing data for communication. See how it did things. |
| 02:31.07 | Semlar | it's mostly just going to be pairs of npcIDs and timestamps |
| 02:31.13 | Torhal | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-serializer-3-0/ |
| 02:31.26 | Torhal | Hardest API EVAR. |
| 02:41.16 | Neffi | Holy shit that is pretty complicated |
| 02:41.16 | kd3 | well, they say hindsight is 20/20... http://imgur.com/fp4keN2 |
| 02:41.22 | Neffi | You need to call a whole 2 functions |
| 02:41.38 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:41.41 | Neffi | +1 kd3 |
| 02:42.01 | Xuerian | Well, his hindsight is 20/20 _now_ |
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| 02:56.50 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/eEVhtDE awesome |
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| 05:10.24 | tharper_ | hi Fisker |
| 05:13.23 | Fisker | hey tharper_ |
| 05:13.33 | tharper_ | how are you? |
| 05:13.48 | Fisker | fell asleep yesterday and woke up at 1am :( |
| 05:15.27 | Fisker | and now going to work, will be back in a few minutes |
| 05:26.46 | Fisker | brr |
| 05:26.58 | Fisker | cold outside ;( |
| 05:29.12 | tharper_ | Fisker: is it? |
| 05:29.17 | tharper_ | 'tis 9 here |
| 05:29.36 | Fisker | 6 here |
| 05:29.45 | Fisker | but also a bit windy |
| 05:29.54 | Fisker | also I'm in a T-shirt |
| 05:31.23 | Thunder_Child | Checking the temp before going outside is hard.... |
| 05:31.56 | Fisker | I knew the temp before I went out? |
| 05:33.14 | Fisker | nice |
| 05:41.52 | Fisker | so work got no budget cuts, so I get to deal with idiots for another year probably :D |
| 05:47.37 | airtonix | waring only a t-shirt in 6 degrees |
| 05:47.48 | airtonix | wearing... |
| 05:48.06 | airtonix | Fisker: you think this might have something to do with your perpetual sickness? |
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| 06:08.09 | Fisker | not at all airtonix |
| 06:08.39 | airtonix | oh? then it's all that cocaine? |
| 06:08.57 | Fisker | Yeah, no |
| 06:09.13 | Fisker | I'm pretty much only sick once a year or so |
| 06:09.24 | Fisker | i.e. cold/flu wise |
| 06:09.46 | Semlar | yeah but does it last the whole year |
| 06:18.53 | Thunder_Child | oh, talk like a pirate day |
| 06:19.07 | Thunder_Child | well then |
| 06:19.38 | Fisker | yarrrr |
| 06:19.42 | Fisker | nah Semlar |
| 06:19.55 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:20.01 | Semlar | because i would count that as one too |
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| 06:26.47 | Fisker | ohai bluspacecow |
| 06:26.49 | Fisker | bai |
| 06:27.37 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
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| 06:47.06 | airtonix | what was the point of directx10 ? |
| 06:47.48 | airtonix | seems like a change of api for the sake of changing the api |
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| 07:51.17 | nevcairiel | not sure what really was new in dx10, but its the old version now, and for dx11 i know a lot of things which are new |
| 07:58.23 | zenzio | <airtonix> what was the point of directx10 ? <-- this is speculation, but since they limited which verions of Windows DX10 could run on, they might have changed things up internally to run better |
| 07:59.23 | nevcairiel | some new hardware capabilities were added with dx10 at least |
| 08:02.15 | Fisker | DX10 were written with their new display driver model in mind |
| 08:02.47 | Fisker | But they could've supported XP |
| 08:03.14 | Fisker | of course whether or not that was intentionally not done to push people towards vista or just because it was too hard I wouldn't know |
| 08:03.20 | Fisker | but probably to push users to upgrade |
| 08:04.39 | zenzio | I'd think it was a bit of both |
| 08:04.46 | nevcairiel | i should finally stop supporting xp |
| 08:04.56 | nevcairiel | compile stuff so it only works on vista and up |
| 08:04.58 | nevcairiel | easy! |
| 08:06.34 | zenzio | wonder if people would be more understanding about that once MS finally fully drops support for it |
| 08:06.47 | nevcairiel | doubtful |
| 08:07.25 | nevcairiel | i recently switched to visual studio 2012, which even defaults to "no xp", but MS invented a XP-compat mode in an update.... :p |
| 08:08.12 | zenzio | aha |
| 08:08.54 | zenzio | I'm still on 2010, holding out for 2013... but I don't use it at work |
| 08:09.22 | nevcairiel | work gave me 2012, so why not |
| 08:09.28 | nevcairiel | looking forward to 2013 though |
| 08:23.29 | airtonix | only thing that frustrates me about directx10 is that wine only supports directx9 |
| 08:23.59 | airtonix | well not the only thing |
| 08:24.04 | airtonix | real men use openGL |
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| 08:32.33 | bluspacecow | https://kr.battle.net/support/ko/article/battle-net-balance-faq |
| 08:32.46 | bluspacecow | anyone speak Korean ? Need a non-google translate translation |
| 08:32.57 | bluspacecow | Google Trans munges up the grammer something fierce |
| 08:33.06 | Humbedooh | poor kelsey |
| 08:33.17 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:34.24 | bluspacecow | Because |
| 08:34.25 | bluspacecow | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1345346-Blizzard-Korea-implements-Battle-coins-to-purchase-xp-buff?p=22456491&viewfull=1#post22456491 |
| 08:42.50 | airtonix | just give me your money bluspacecow |
| 08:43.01 | bluspacecow | y |
| 08:43.05 | airtonix | at least my pixels are more meaningful |
| 08:43.59 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/a/2fh9z |
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| 09:03.40 | airtonix | ok bluspacecow |
| 09:04.13 | bluspacecow | https://www.battlenet.com.cn/support/zh/article/%E5%86%B3%E6%88%98%E5%A5%A5%E6%A0%BC%E7%91%9E%E7%8E%9B%E7%83%AD%E7%82%B9%E9%97%AE%E9%A2%98 |
| 09:20.57 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 09:21.27 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 09:56.34 | zenzio | "Warhammer Online being closed in December becausethe licensing deal with Games Workshop has come to an end" |
| 09:56.51 | zenzio | seems they made a shorter deal than SWG did. But you also have to wonder if that was the only reason |
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| 10:33.04 | karl_w_w | I'm sure if it was doing well they would have extended |
| 10:35.36 | bluspacecow | hmmmmm |
| 10:35.41 | bluspacecow | what is karl extending now ? |
| 10:37.09 | karl_w_w | not telling |
| 10:37.23 | karl_w_w | but I will say I got a deal in my email inbox |
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| 11:08.03 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 11:08.18 | bluspacecow | i just had a mage give up the game vs my lock |
| 11:08.43 | Fisker | the jaraxxus card is OP as hell |
| 11:08.50 | bluspacecow | destroyed their taunt :P |
| 11:08.51 | Fisker | every round a new 6/6 infernal |
| 11:08.57 | Fisker | doesn't even make sense |
| 11:09.01 | bluspacecow | YOU FACE JARAXXUS! |
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| 11:59.23 | karl_w_w | EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION |
| 12:02.45 | rid_ | yes? |
| 12:13.35 | Fisker | yay |
| 12:13.39 | Fisker | i get to bofh again |
| 12:19.21 | karl_w_w | crumbs Fisker |
| 12:31.03 | rid_ | old |
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| 12:39.34 | Kalroth | ties Fisker to a pack of hungry pandas and throws a bamboo faggot off a cliff |
| 12:39.42 | Fisker | nope |
| 12:41.20 | Kalroth | you can't nope your way out of this |
| 12:42.54 | Fisker | i can nope my way out of everything |
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| 12:49.08 | airtonix | is that how you were born? |
| 12:50.47 | Fisker | yup |
| 12:50.58 | Fisker | ultimate nope right there |
| 12:58.21 | Maldivia | Aaarrr! |
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| 13:11.08 | jleclanche | jnwhiteh: you ever worked with lua lpty? |
| 13:11.21 | jleclanche | from #python: Im writing an external auth script in python for prosody. The way it works is it opens the script (through lua's lpty module) and feeds lines of username/password to its stdin. Problem is, as soon as I read anything from sys.stdin (or fileinput.input()), lpty says the script exited abnormally with (11) Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 13:14.00 | stuf | oh lel |
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| 13:37.51 | zenzio | ohai peppy! |
| 13:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. Happy Thorsdaze. |
| 13:39.39 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: no no, happy talk like a pirate day :) |
| 13:40.00 | Lopeppeppy | Arrr, matey, is that true? |
| 13:40.17 | Maldivia | it's September 19th... so yeah :) |
| 13:55.20 | karl_w_w | knife juggler is too OP Fisker |
| 13:55.24 | karl_w_w | nerf it |
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| 14:01.17 | Fisker | yaaarrrgh Lopeppeppy |
| 14:03.10 | Dennls | does anyone here use shadowed unitframes? |
| 14:03.28 | Fisker | easier to just ask the question |
| 14:03.49 | Dennls | is there a way to make it only show the debuffs that the default blizzard frame shows? |
| 14:04.26 | Dennls | I want to use them over the default blizzard ones because they look much nicer but there's too much info on them when I enable debuffs |
| 14:05.40 | Dennls | if that makes any sense |
| 14:05.56 | nevcairiel | which does blizzard show? |
| 14:06.13 | nevcairiel | you can usually filter on the ones you cast yourself, or as a healer the ones you can remove |
| 14:06.21 | Dennls | only the most important ones such as tank debuffs |
| 14:07.46 | nevcairiel | on which frames anyway? target? yourself? party? |
| 14:09.00 | Dennls | oh right, raidframes |
| 14:09.17 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 14:09.38 | Dennls | having to rely on DBM to tell me how many stacks the other tank is on doesnt really work that well |
| 14:11.31 | nevcairiel | looks like the default UI doesnt do anything fancy |
| 14:12.13 | Dennls | i'll queue for LFR and try to get a screenshot to show what I mean |
| 14:12.55 | nevcairiel | how many debuffs can a raid member really have? :d |
| 14:13.22 | nevcairiel | usually you shouldnt have that many |
| 14:13.28 | nevcairiel | if any at all |
| 14:13.56 | Neffi | Damn, Kait is pretty talented |
| 14:13.57 | Neffi | http://youtu.be/9VOHZvEUo0g |
| 14:13.59 | zenzio | I love discovering the old placeholder messages in projects you inherit. "Click here for ???, or here for xxx" (that's verbatim) |
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| 14:14.26 | Neffi | I don't think anyone else comes close to him in UI design |
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| 14:15.55 | nevcairiel | Dennls: anyway, the options in SUF should have some small options to filter the debuffs. I don't see anything in the default UI that would do any special filtering, so it would probably rely on the same |
| 14:16.45 | nevcairiel | the default UI limits it to a maximum of 4 though |
| 14:16.57 | nevcairiel | any more will simply never be shown |
| 14:17.13 | nevcairiel | dont have SUF in front of me right now to check |
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| 14:20.29 | Dennls | hmm, i'll try to change something arround then |
| 14:26.06 | Dennls | on Tortos I noticed that the default frames do not show heroism debuff although no other real diferences |
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| 14:27.55 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintessence_Editions_Ltd. I'm quite sure it's impossible to satisfy all those musts |
| 14:28.39 | Dennls | interesting. I disabled "incoming heals" but they still show |
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| 14:43.05 | Neffi | That's a pretty pushy company |
| 14:48.09 | karl_w_w | http://image.bayimg.com/banhcaabm.jpg lol |
| 14:56.59 | karl_w_w | gmail: because composing an email in fullscreen was too convenient |
| 14:57.16 | pompy | http://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-x-looks-beautiful-in-hd-x-2-looks-goo-1346817471@papapishu mmmm |
| 14:58.27 | Thunder_Child | You still can karl_w_w |
| 14:58.47 | karl_w_w | how do I get an ebook into my android kindle app if it's larger than 25mb? |
| 14:58.57 | Neffi | "I was almost always in a cutscene of some sort" |
| 14:59.02 | Neffi | Can we stop doing this? |
| 14:59.15 | Neffi | Can we resume telling stories without treating the medium like it's a movie? |
| 14:59.43 | Neffi | Every cutscene that a game uses detracts one more point from its storytelling score |
| 15:00.11 | karl_w_w | that's just the first section Neffi |
| 15:00.33 | karl_w_w | it's more like a tutorial than part of the game, and it starts the story off |
| 15:00.34 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-186130.html ? |
| 15:00.47 | Neffi | I still think it's a bad way to do things |
| 15:00.47 | karl_w_w | in other news, play FFX man what's wrong with you? |
| 15:00.58 | Neffi | A game that can tell a nice story with zero cutscenes has been done properly |
| 15:01.19 | Neffi | Games run on the premise that the player is the actor. Cutscenes break immersion and shit on that premise's believability. |
| 15:01.20 | karl_w_w | implying FFX hasn't been done properly :P |
| 15:01.33 | Neffi | If it used a cutscene, then it could've been done better |
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| 15:03.10 | karl_w_w | if I remember correctly there are 3 cutscenes, and one of them is about 2 seconds long |
| 15:03.41 | Neffi | Also I don't like turn based games |
| 15:03.46 | karl_w_w | the rest was actually them stopping to talk in the middle of battles and such, which I think he is also referring to as cutscenes |
| 15:04.12 | Neffi | But I've clocked in many hours of sitting on my friend's couch while he plays various FF titles and I'll grant that it's not a bad game |
| 15:04.20 | Neffi | Although the praise it gets I think is over the top |
| 15:05.18 | pompy | ohhhh https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=556881627699866&set=a.414413855279978.99986.276710412383657&type=1 that is a good one! |
| 15:05.50 | Neffi | Heh |
| 15:08.19 | karl_w_w | thanks but it din't work pompy :P |
| 15:08.26 | karl_w_w | don't think it supports epub |
| 15:09.00 | karl_w_w | but it's not a pun pompy |
| 15:09.11 | pompy | lol |
| 15:09.12 | karl_w_w | because it isn't a paradox |
| 15:09.57 | Neffi | Crossing over his own timeline can easily create a paradox |
| 15:10.13 | pompy | yup |
| 15:10.35 | Neffi | Hell, remember when he let Rose do it? |
| 15:10.59 | karl_w_w | it can, doesn't mean them being there is a paradox |
| 15:11.56 | Neffi | It is hugely dangerous and is avoided because it's an almost guaranteed paradoxical situation |
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| 15:13.13 | Neffi | Today I leanred about Britain http://i.imgur.com/Tz3e8fr.png |
| 15:15.15 | karl_w_w | in a way that's true |
| 15:15.20 | karl_w_w | of every country in the world |
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| 15:15.58 | airtonix | no, america is a country full of bunnies and rainbows |
| 15:16.29 | nicoli_s | we do have lots of bunnies |
| 15:16.30 | Neffi | airtonix: That's just what the travel brochures look like |
| 15:16.32 | karl_w_w | you spelt guns and fast food wrong |
| 15:16.40 | airtonix | everyone who is able to scap their way through the bleeding hordes of bottom dwelling muckrakers can expect roads of gold and dentures of diamons |
| 15:17.27 | airtonix | oh wait that's the brochure for USSR |
| 15:17.29 | Neffi | I think you got that backwards |
| 15:17.29 | Neffi | http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2FcyCu924tRXetTkDx9sZZ_asap_rockie_gold_grill.jpg |
| 15:21.09 | mikma | BLING BLING |
| 15:25.14 | karl_w_w | lol Neffi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_tiR5Ux9o mad? |
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| 15:39.22 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=683617461668255&set=a.176069442423062.45333.133409023355771&type=1 what would you do if your gf did that to your gta5 disc? |
| 15:39.55 | Humbedooh | smack her? |
| 15:39.59 | pompy | lol |
| 15:41.00 | karl_w_w | that reminds me of um |
| 15:41.13 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtWurY7wtpc this |
| 15:42.27 | pompy | "she's a blonde what do you expect" |
| 15:43.29 | pompy | took her quite some time with that golf club.. |
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| 15:44.28 | pompy | and least she admitted it |
| 15:44.43 | Shirik | wtf is this http://gyazo.com/a644c96f8f5fe4dd15f62cf7eb440517 |
| 15:48.26 | zenzelezz | grats |
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| 15:52.18 | airtonix | all hail our glorius beloved leader, Kim Jong Abbott |
| 15:52.46 | airtonix | fucking clown |
| 15:58.10 | karl_w_w | why airtonix? |
| 15:58.27 | karl_w_w | is firing people because they don't agree with your opinions bad? |
| 16:02.34 | Humbedooh | depends on what sort of opinions |
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| 16:06.19 | karl_w_w | I like the part where tony abbott, our prime minister who has previously said 'what women need to realise is that their place is in the kitchen' and 'maybe it's not such a bad thing that men are more powerful' appointed himself minister for women's issues |
| 16:07.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:07.35 | karl_w_w | ‘‘I won’t be rushing out to get my daughters vaccinated [for cervical cancer], maybe that’s because I’m a cruel, callow, callous, heartless bastard but, look, I won’t be.’’ |
| 16:07.44 | nicoli_s | what country? |
| 16:07.57 | bluspacecow | that convict one |
| 16:08.00 | bluspacecow | down under |
| 16:08.05 | karl_w_w | ‘‘Abortion is the easy way out. It’s hardly surprising that people should choose the most convenient exit from awkward situations.’’ |
| 16:08.41 | bluspacecow | they had that Paula lady I think her name was. Who wanted to put chips in the heads of beneficarys to control them. |
| 16:09.05 | Humbedooh | right, abortion is easy...not traumatising in any way... |
| 16:09.12 | Dennls | http://i.imgur.com/PF6xj9f.png does anyone know how to make the numbres in the red box not show? for no appearent reason they are annoying the hell out of me and I cant find the setting to disable them. using Shadowed unitframes |
| 16:09.43 | karl_w_w | ah I got that kitchen one wrong, it was ‘What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up, every year…’ |
| 16:09.50 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 16:09.56 | bluspacecow | A large sticky plaster , Dennis |
| 16:10.11 | bluspacecow | WTB Sticky Plaster addon |
| 16:10.19 | Semlar | Dennls: what do the numbers represent |
| 16:10.26 | Dennls | heals |
| 16:10.38 | Dennls | I tried to disable "show incoming heals" but that didnt solve it |
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| 16:10.44 | bluspacecow | i would do a /framestack to confirm what addon it is |
| 16:10.49 | bluspacecow | if you don't know already |
| 16:11.02 | Semlar | he says it's part of SUF |
| 16:11.13 | bluspacecow | doz |
| 16:11.15 | bluspacecow | soz |
| 16:11.19 | Dennls | pretty sure it's SuF since that's where it shows |
| 16:11.22 | Dennls | it doesnt show on the default blizz ones |
| 16:11.30 | karl_w_w | ‘Bad bosses, like bad fathers and husbands, should be tolerated because they do more good than harm’ what the fuck |
| 16:11.42 | Semlar | is it predictive healing or does it just show the last heal |
| 16:11.48 | Dennls | shows the last heal |
| 16:12.23 | Semlar | i think "show incoming heals" probably refers to what they're about to be healed with |
| 16:12.36 | Semlar | that's usually just an extension of the bar |
| 16:12.40 | Dennls | yeah |
| 16:12.56 | Dennls | I cant find the setting for the heal that shows on the bar anywhere though |
| 16:12.57 | Semlar | recent healing like that is shown on the default unit frames, it's just shown on top of the portrait |
| 16:13.16 | Semlar | it's possible they're using the setting from the normal interface |
| 16:13.22 | Semlar | i'm not sure what it's called |
| 16:13.55 | Dennls | my party settings are set to use raid-style frames |
| 16:14.44 | Dennls | dont see a setting like that in the default frames |
| 16:15.28 | Semlar | when you take damage or healing it just shows the number on top of the player portrait |
| 16:15.44 | Semlar | i think it's just for the player though |
| 16:16.51 | Neffi | I don't think there's a setting for that in the default UI. It just happens. |
| 16:17.49 | Semlar | i'm not familiar with SUF so i can't say what it would be |
| 16:18.18 | Semlar | some kind of status text |
| 16:21.14 | Dennls | when everyone is taking damage and receiving healing the frame is just so cluttered you cant see anything |
| 16:21.50 | Neffi | I'm quite sure it can be disabled but I don't use SUF |
| 16:22.28 | Dennls | yeah it should be |
| 16:22.29 | Dennls | somewhere lol |
| 16:22.48 | Neffi | Did you try posting on the WoWI or even Wowhead forums? |
| 16:23.04 | Neffi | I'm sure somebody can help |
| 16:23.07 | Neffi | Last resort might be to ping Shadowed when he's around |
| 16:23.10 | Dennls | not yet since I decided to start using these today |
| 16:23.24 | Dennls | I've asked him for help previously on other issues but he always seems to be AFK :P |
| 16:23.42 | Neffi | Yeah Shadowed doesn't seem to be too active in here, but he does come around regularly |
| 16:24.19 | Neffi | Maybe go to its WoWI page and search the comments (or forum) to see if anybody else mentioned this |
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| 16:25.11 | Dennls | I tried some google searches but im not sure how to describe the "feature" really |
| 16:26.32 | Dennls | http://youtu.be/nfNqDl2XT80?t=7m28s |
| 16:26.34 | Dennls | this guy doesnt have it |
| 16:26.44 | Dennls | video is 2 years old but still |
| 16:27.07 | Neffi | Well I'd look around the addon but I uninstalled WoW again |
| 16:27.23 | Semlar | i've never seen an SUF screenshot with it |
| 16:27.47 | Semlar | maybe it's from another addon |
| 16:27.50 | Dennls | I might have one, hang on |
| 16:28.12 | Dennls | I have no idea what addon that would be though |
| 16:28.29 | Neffi | Hmm |
| 16:28.30 | Dennls | and wouldnt that most likely show heals on the normal blizzard frames aswell? |
| 16:28.35 | Neffi | If I'm looking at things correctly, it seems to be the "combattext" module |
| 16:28.36 | Semlar | well do /fstack and see if it's named anyway |
| 16:28.45 | Neffi | Go into the addon folder, then the modules folder, and delete combattext.lua |
| 16:28.48 | Neffi | See if that works |
| 16:29.57 | Dennls | the combattext thing is a tiny icon that shows on the left bottom with 2 crossed swords |
| 16:30.14 | Neffi | Not according to the code |
| 16:30.16 | Semlar | you sure about that |
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| 16:30.20 | Semlar | because that ain't text |
| 16:30.38 | Neffi | It's definitely creating a fontstring and populating that fontstring |
| 16:30.49 | Dennls | http://i.imgur.com/QKiNnbe.png |
| 16:31.04 | Semlar | doesn't look like it's named |
| 16:31.23 | Semlar | it's probably combat text |
| 16:31.32 | Dennls | hang on i'll go delete that file |
| 16:31.39 | Semlar | you could just rename it |
| 16:31.58 | Semlar | if it doesn't work you can rename it back |
| 16:32.05 | Neffi | Actually he may be right |
| 16:32.11 | Dennls | ah yeah that's probably best |
| 16:32.15 | Neffi | combattext.lua creates a fontstring but never does populate it |
| 16:32.43 | Neffi | It doesn't seem to do anything useful I see in the code, so I'm not sure what it's for |
| 16:32.53 | Dennls | renamed it, let's find out |
| 16:33.04 | Semlar | showing whether someone is in combat? |
| 16:33.19 | Dennls | oh wow renaming it actually worked |
| 16:33.32 | Semlar | good enough! |
| 16:33.37 | Dennls | indeed |
| 16:33.40 | Neffi | It only listens to UNIT_COMBAT |
| 16:33.43 | Neffi | which isn't a useful event |
| 16:33.49 | Neffi | And never performs a :SetText |
| 16:34.03 | Neffi | So how the hell it works I don't know. Its functionality must actually be inside SUF's core. |
| 16:34.05 | Semlar | UNIT_COMBAT is exactly what shows up on the player frame |
| 16:34.11 | Neffi | oh |
| 16:34.13 | Semlar | the damage and stuff |
| 16:34.13 | Neffi | Well then |
| 16:34.28 | Neffi | I still see no :SetText |
| 16:34.34 | Semlar | maybe it's done in another file |
| 16:34.35 | Neffi | Strange code |
| 16:34.48 | Semlar | the module probably just sets it up for the core or something |
| 16:34.48 | Neffi | Well it's THE module for it, so having that handled elsewhere is just weird |
| 16:35.53 | Dennls | well my issue is solved so im happy =) thanks a lot |
| 16:36.18 | Semlar | i'm surprised there isn't an option to just disable the module somewhere in the interface |
| 16:36.29 | Dennls | be right back, dinners |
| 16:36.42 | Neffi | There is |
| 16:36.57 | Neffi | He just assumed the combat text module was something else |
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| 16:37.09 | Neffi | I looked in the config lua and there's definitely an option to toggle it |
| 16:38.06 | Neffi | Semlar, do you play US or EU? |
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| 16:38.11 | Semlar | US |
| 16:38.32 | Neffi | If I can find a way to pay my sub, after I get my UI setup I wanna duel you =) |
| 16:38.47 | Semlar | >_> |
| 16:38.50 | Neffi | lol |
| 16:38.57 | Neffi | I haven't played in forever. I probably suck. |
| 16:39.14 | Semlar | i am in full pve gear |
| 16:39.16 | pompy | http://nerdreactor.com/2013/09/19/warhammer-online-notice-shutdown-mmo/ |
| 16:39.17 | Neffi | And my gear's outdated by 5.4 standards. Still in a few original blue "contender's" pieces |
| 16:39.25 | Neffi | bah |
| 16:39.46 | Semlar | the last time i dueled someone i killed them in 19 seconds |
| 16:39.59 | Neffi | The last time I dueled somebody they didn't last half that |
| 16:40.27 | Neffi | That somebody wasn't very good though |
| 16:41.57 | Sintacks | i almost just gave myself a heartattack |
| 16:42.11 | Sintacks | was checking lottery numbers and entered the winning numbers, and not my numbers and it said 2mil ... |
| 16:42.12 | Neffi | Well stop playing with the defribilator |
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| 16:49.47 | pompy | http://appadvice.com/appnn/2013/09/adoption-of-apples-ios-7-beats-that-of-latest-android-os-within-hours whatever but the amount of ppl bitching about iOS makes my day! |
| 16:50.23 | bluspacecow | he he |
| 16:50.29 | bluspacecow | its like |
| 16:50.29 | nicoli_s | lol thats a kind of odd statistic |
| 16:50.31 | bluspacecow | MAGICAL |
| 16:50.35 | bluspacecow | also |
| 16:50.36 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_wfMK7dko |
| 16:50.38 | nicoli_s | android latest os adoption has always been incredibly small |
| 16:50.45 | nicoli_s | and latest ios adoption has always been incredibly high |
| 16:52.45 | Gnarfoz | not surprising, given the circumstances |
| 16:53.08 | Shirik | http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/aerial-robots/falcon-uav-provides-colorado-flooding-assistance-until-fema-freaks-out |
| 16:53.31 | Ressy | Manufacturers are cheap and don't want to deal with getting android ready for phones. |
| 16:53.42 | Gnarfoz | uhhh... |
| 16:53.57 | Gnarfoz | more like "extremely limited hardware diversity" for Apple |
| 16:54.10 | Ressy | That too. |
| 16:54.13 | Gnarfoz | that mostly |
| 16:54.26 | Ressy | My phone... LG pushed an update to every single carrier in the world, but mine. |
| 16:54.31 | Gnarfoz | easy to validate your new software for 6 devices, all of which made by yourself |
| 16:54.33 | Ressy | Cuz Canada doesn't matter. |
| 16:54.38 | Gnarfoz | lulz carrier |
| 16:55.44 | Gnarfoz | I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh at the oppression by their network providers ("Carriers") Northern Americans seem to be stuck with |
| 16:56.24 | Gnarfoz | carriers being that powerful just seems... wrong |
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| 16:56.56 | Ressy | In my case, LG did the update for US, South America, World editions, but explicitly said they weren't doing it for Canada... |
| 16:57.09 | Ressy | So we had to install a modded T-mobile (US), or do Cyanogen. |
| 16:57.33 | Gnarfoz | which of course should be translated as "your carrier told them no and they accepted that" |
| 16:57.44 | Ressy | Multiple carriers in Canada using that phone. |
| 16:57.53 | Neffi | Custom ROM is the first thing I do on a phone because of shit like that |
| 16:58.10 | Gnarfoz | still highly unlikely "Canada" is the problem |
| 16:58.11 | Neffi | I can ensure consistent update, clean Android without crapware, and features like wifi tethering are not gimped |
| 16:58.16 | Gnarfoz | on LG's side |
| 16:58.37 | Gnarfoz | "uhhh we don't like these people in particular who use the EXACT SAME PHONE everyone else is using" |
| 16:58.56 | Gnarfoz | Neffi: +1 |
| 16:59.01 | Unkle | There's a difference too between vertically integrated hardware/os and licensed os. Apple makes the hardware and software - therefore they have a better interest in keeping you happy with their product. HTC makes the hardware. They don't care about your 6moth old phone, they want you to buy a new one. |
| 16:59.28 | Gnarfoz | Apple doesn't need to want you to buy a new one, you're probably going to anyway |
| 16:59.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:59.40 | Gnarfoz | because it's the BEST PHONE EVER |
| 17:00.05 | Unkle | Partly because Apple has spend a long time making themselves positioned as a "prestige" brand. Marketing at work. |
| 17:00.07 | Gnarfoz | insert at least 4 buzzwords |
| 17:00.22 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: people are dumb, the end :D |
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| 17:00.49 | Unkle | No, people make different choices than you. Dumb is not defined that way. :P |
| 17:01.13 | Gnarfoz | I'd wager dumb is defined in an at least remotely similar way |
| 17:03.19 | Unkle | Only if those choices are demonstrably and materially stupid can you define them as 'dumb,' instead of 'not the choice I would make.' Selection of a different phone doesn't qualify as dumb unless the choice prevents you from doing what you set out to do, like say ... make calls, use SMS, some apps and the internet. |
| 17:06.07 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 17:06.27 | Unkle | My earlier comment about the vertically integrated hardware/os combo is about the incentives the manufacturer has; Apple has an incentive to keep the customer happy with their prestige brand to maintain that prestige, HTC, LG, etc. are incentivized (sp?) to get you to buy new phones. |
| 17:06.54 | Gnarfoz | I wasn't thinking of "different phone" as much as "buy new iphone whenever a new one comes out, regardless of if it's actually an improvement over the current latest-gen you just bought a year ago" which some of my colleagues seem to obey |
| 17:06.55 | karl_w_w | i could argue the complete opposite |
| 17:07.28 | Gnarfoz | I doubt "the others" are not trying to make people stick with their brand |
| 17:07.56 | Gnarfoz | "lulz we're just one of many, fuck it, lets just sell shit to whoever!" |
| 17:08.10 | airtonix | oh ok |
| 17:08.11 | Unkle | Gnarfoz: I have a 4S. I upgraded from a 3GS. I probably will try a radically different phone when I replace this one (thinking Windows Phone) - but this one serves me really well right now. |
| 17:08.16 | karl_w_w | apple want you to buy a new phone every year and have a system that locks you in, other brands have only their hardware as their selling point |
| 17:08.41 | Unkle | My previous smartphones were BlackBerry. |
| 17:09.09 | Gnarfoz | i.e. not smartphones |
| 17:09.18 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 17:09.30 | Unkle | Apple has other things to stick you - iTunes, iMessage, FaceTime - all designed to make you want another Apple product. |
| 17:09.42 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 17:09.58 | Unkle | Smart in the "pre-candy bar with lots or pretty screens" generation. |
| 17:10.30 | karl_w_w | not really |
| 17:11.07 | Unkle | my "Pearl" had a web browser, email, media play-back, etc. It just ... sucked. |
| 17:11.16 | Gnarfoz | I seriously have a colleague who's considering buying both a 5C and a 5S |
| 17:11.22 | Gnarfoz | (and currently has a 5) |
| 17:11.34 | Gnarfoz | why? because a) she can't decide and b) because it's the new one |
| 17:11.40 | Gnarfoz | (or they are the new ones, whatev) |
| 17:11.53 | Unkle | Yeah, that's ... non-typical. |
| 17:11.58 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:12.13 | karl_w_w | well yes it is, because buying android is typical |
| 17:12.26 | Gnarfoz | considering buying both probably is, but upgrading from a 5 to a 5S? can't really get my head around that, either... such a minor upgrade |
| 17:13.09 | Gnarfoz | not saying they shouldn't, I just wouldn't |
| 17:13.19 | Gnarfoz | suum cuique |
| 17:14.49 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 17:14.59 | bluspacecow | i would go for 5S over 5c personally |
| 17:15.06 | bluspacecow | 5c looks cheap colored plastic |
| 17:15.14 | karl_w_w | if we can't call buying a 5s when you have a perfectly working 5 'dumb', then I don't think there is anything we can call dumb on this subject |
| 17:15.23 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:15.32 | karl_w_w | it's for children bluspacecow |
| 17:15.41 | bluspacecow | oh rly? |
| 17:15.52 | karl_w_w | children who can't avoid dropping their phones, so 90% of you morons :P |
| 17:16.25 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 17:16.29 | bluspacecow | meanie. |
| 17:16.29 | karl_w_w | iphone market share 13% lol |
| 17:16.41 | karl_w_w | goes sleep 2 hours late |
| 17:16.49 | bluspacecow | y |
| 17:17.04 | karl_w_w | because need wake in 5 hours |
| 17:17.31 | karl_w_w | I'm dying in 2 hours, wake has to be some time! |
| 17:17.32 | bluspacecow | http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/soe-will-ban-players-for-vile-behaviour-on-any-social-network/0121317 |
| 17:17.34 | bluspacecow | wat |
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| 17:19.19 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow, seems like a leftover april fool |
| 17:19.30 | bluspacecow | i dunno |
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| 17:29.25 | Dennls | very late reply inc |
| 17:29.29 | Dennls | <Neffi>He just assumed the combat text module was something else |
| 17:29.33 | Dennls | http://i.imgur.com/rIJrw7l.jpg |
| 17:29.49 | Dennls | I figured this was what the combat thing ment |
| 17:30.52 | Neffi | Going back a bit, I would argue you're wrong about the position LG, et al are in Gnarfoz |
| 17:31.34 | Neffi | They definitely want you to stick with their brand, but they recognize that Android just doesn't have that "prestige" that iOS does |
| 17:32.36 | Unkle | They want you to stick to their brand, but they're incentivized to get you to buy a new phone rather than support their older phones. |
| 17:32.38 | Neffi | They market from the opposite perspective. They design their midranges phones to be highly appealing as economical alternatives, and their high-end smartphones are marketed as cutting edge |
| 17:32.59 | Neffi | They have no incentive to appeal to your sense of fashion or luxury. They market instead to your sense of utility. |
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| 17:33.36 | Neffi | This phone is faster. Its screen is better. It has so many pixels. Its camera is top notch. It may not be the Mercedes of phones, but it'll definitely give a Benz a run for its money in a race. |
| 17:34.54 | Neffi | Going from that angle gives them more incentive to push the latest phone on you aggressively. Whereas Apple doesn't need to, because a person's sense of luxury sort of automatically dictates that the latest phone must be an improvement and the classier choice than sticking with what they've got. |
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| 17:35.46 | Neffi | But saying that they have no incentive to produce a sense of brand loyalty and satisfaction is false. They have even more of an incentive than Apple nowadays. |
| 17:36.07 | Neffi | Because people see iOS vs Android as a dichotomy. Either you want an Apple phone, or you want a phone from the other guys. |
| 17:36.35 | Unkle | Neffi: We're making basically the same argument. |
| 17:36.46 | Neffi | If you want an Apple, you buy an Apple and Apple gets paid. If you want an Android, you've got LG, HTC, Samsung, Motorolla and others to choose from. So they've got a hefty competition in store for them as being the Android phone you will buy. |
| 17:37.13 | Unkle | I don't have a dog in that fight. I'm just saying that's the way I see the action being shaped by the actions of the players. |
| 17:37.20 | Neffi | Yes but he claimed that Android manufacturers don't particularly care what you buy. I think they care more than Apple does. |
| 17:41.51 | Gnarfoz | I didn't claim that |
| 17:41.55 | Gnarfoz | please read again |
| 17:41.58 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 17:42.25 | Gnarfoz | (at least I didn't want to say that, maybe I didn't put it into words very well) |
| 17:45.15 | airtonix | no you didn't |
| 17:45.36 | airtonix | what actually you actually wrote was: |
| 17:48.35 | Gnarfoz | I said |
| 17:48.37 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.38 | Gnarfoz | I was saying the opposite of what he just said I was |
| 17:50.46 | airtonix | no |
| 17:51.15 | Gnarfoz | yes? I just quoted myself |
| 17:51.19 | airtonix | all i keep seeing is "Blah blah blah blah blah" |
| 17:51.29 | Gnarfoz | ah, very well then. |
| 18:10.43 | Neffi | My mistake. I misread then. |
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| 19:03.38 | jnwhiteh | 2 star diamong |
| 19:03.40 | jnwhiteh | diamond |
| 19:03.44 | jnwhiteh | i should craft some greater heals |
| 19:19.02 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/uNUcM04.gif |
| 19:19.09 | bluspacecow | clever bunneh is clever |
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| 19:22.58 | Unkle | bluspacecow: Spider-Rabbit, Spider-Rabbit... |
| 19:23.11 | bluspacecow | does whatever a spider-rabbit does! |
| 19:23.39 | Unkle | Is he strong? Listen, Bud. He's got radioactive blood! |
| 19:24.48 | Unkle | And now lunch time. |
| 19:30.11 | Dagmar | It's all them Oak Ridge carrots |
| 19:30.40 | Dagmar | 'cuz you know, it's a problem when 14 pounds of plutonium turns up missing, but it's totally okay when it turns out that it just ran into the groundwater. |
| 19:30.50 | Dagmar | That wasn't a joke. |
| 19:31.01 | Dagmar | folds his arms. |
| 19:31.20 | TC-Work | It's only a problem if someone else iradiates US citizens. |
| 19:31.31 | Dagmar | Apparently. |
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| 19:56.02 | pompy | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57603624-94/verizon-google-nexus-7-lte-support-is-coming-really/ |
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| 20:04.46 | Dagmar | pompy: Might have something to do with the fact that someone filed a complaint with the FCC that Verizon was violating their agreements that they would not discriminate against devices that were LTE compatible |
| 20:05.36 | Dagmar | pompy: ...because they were starting the handy-wavy bullshit claim of saying the device was "unsupported" because they didn't sell it, and _refuse_ to activate it, among some other completely bullshit statements. |
| 20:06.41 | TC-Work | I dunno, checking first to see if a device will work on a network is not unreasonable |
| 20:07.07 | Fisker | we don't make testing our devices a condition |
| 20:07.16 | Fisker | still alive over here |
| 20:07.16 | Neffi | Maybe not, but it's more unreasonable to be blacklisting devices for arbitrary reasons |
| 20:07.31 | Neffi | You pay for a service, you expect to get that service without a shitload of terrible string attached |
| 20:07.43 | Neffi | I think this sort of shit should be illegal, and I'm disappointed it's not |
| 20:08.02 | Fisker | like testing if a car will work on a road |
| 20:08.19 | TC-Work | I think it's perfectly valid for a company to choose what they want to support on their network |
| 20:08.36 | Neffi | I think it's terrible and anti-competitive |
| 20:08.36 | TC-Work | If they already made agreements like Dagmar said, that's one thing. |
| 20:09.03 | Neffi | What they need to support is LTE. The device has LTE. |
| 20:09.12 | Neffi | Anything else is making an arbitrary choice to blacklist users |
| 20:09.18 | Neffi | That is morally questionable |
| 20:09.41 | TC-Work | They need to support more, because it if does not work properly, people will complain to them, not google. |
| 20:11.54 | Fisker | unlike the current situation where noons is complaining |
| 20:12.17 | Fisker | its public property and using standards |
| 20:12.36 | Fisker | either respect that or give the spectrum back |
| 20:13.40 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND <- lol |
| 20:14.02 | TC-Work | So are roads but DoT can tell your custom car to fuck off. |
| 20:14.11 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:14.15 | Fisker | DoT can |
| 20:14.27 | Fisker | the people who paved the road can't |
| 20:14.39 | Neffi | An important distinction |
| 20:15.11 | Neffi | In this analogy DoT is the FCC |
| 20:15.21 | Neffi | You can't compare their role to Verizon |
| 20:16.36 | TC-Work | This is a bad analogy all around because the people that paved the raods can refuse to let you use the raods at all |
| 20:16.56 | TC-Work | eg. Verizon can drop you as a customer. |
| 20:17.00 | Fisker | I didn't create the analogy |
| 20:17.08 | TC-Work | I didn't say you did |
| 20:17.10 | Neffi | TC-Work: Not in the US |
| 20:17.27 | TC-Work | Neffi: As a cellular provider? I think so. |
| 20:17.38 | Neffi | I meant the people who paved the roads |
| 20:18.03 | Neffi | Meh |
| 20:18.14 | TC-Work | that was part of the analogy |
| 20:19.08 | Neffi | I still maintain that the sane way to legislate their control of the spectrum is a stance of positive neutrality |
| 20:19.33 | Neffi | In other words, they cannot blacklist arbitrarily |
| 20:19.44 | Neffi | As long as you're using the service legally of course |
| 20:20.41 | Neffi | The inverse of that is scary. Letting a few giants control the limited spectrum AND place arbitrary rules on its usage means diminished freedom for everyone by definition |
| 20:21.03 | Neffi | Your profit margins are OK as long as they're moral |
| 20:21.08 | Fisker | indeed, the rest of the world manages it just fine ;) |
| 20:21.27 | Neffi | That's where much of the US disagrees with me |
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| 20:27.29 | zenzelezz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425260/Five-month-old-baby-dies-horrific-accident-conveyor-belt-Spanish-airport.html -- this is horrible and all, but I thought it was generally accepted that you shouldn't put kids on conveyors and similar stuff |
| 20:28.18 | Xuerian | #waronconveyors |
| 20:28.26 | Xuerian | #savethechildren |
| 20:30.07 | Gnarfoz | they say "whisked away", am I wrongly assuming conveyor belts for luggage don't move *fast*? |
| 20:30.34 | Gnarfoz | i.e. "whoops, can't put baby down here, this thing moves, let's put baby somewhere else" was not an option? |
| 20:30.36 | TC-Work | No, but they are usually quite crowded so it is hard to follow something along it |
| 20:30.55 | TC-Work | Granted if it is your kid you should be shoving people the fuck out of your way |
| 20:30.59 | Gnarfoz | it says "weight activated" too, which I don't recall being a thing for luggage pick-up conveyors |
| 20:31.11 | Xuerian | Gotta save dat money |
| 20:31.38 | Gnarfoz | (all in all, there's a lot of probably important, but unclear (to me) terms in that article) |
| 20:32.04 | Xuerian | Yeah, in the dailymail. |
| 20:32.59 | TC-Work | Oh, I think that's the conveyor taking the luggage in, I thought it was the one going out. |
| 20:33.01 | TC-Work | nvm then |
| 20:33.10 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 20:33.14 | Gnarfoz | that makes more sense, I guess |
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| 20:35.13 | TC-Work | At LAX you can't do that. There is a physical separation between customers and the internal conveyor belt. |
| 20:36.53 | Gnarfoz | I doubt this was internal in any way |
| 20:36.56 | Cairenn | oh god, how awful! |
| 20:37.37 | Xuerian | (For the record, I'm not mocking the specific tragedy, just the likely aftermath and lead-up) |
| 20:37.56 | Unkle | people are horrible. |
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| 21:00.00 | Arrowmaster | TC-Work: lax is where everything comes down one belt and onto a circular belt right? |
| 21:00.21 | pompy | http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/13/09/12/state-concerned-that-verizon-nj-renewal-will-slow-fiber-optic-deployments/ |
| 21:00.39 | TC-Work | Arrowmaster: there are two actually. But that is for outgoing luggage, not incoming. |
| 21:01.04 | TC-Work | And by that I mean outgoing = out of planes, incoming = onto planes. |
| 21:01.25 | Arrowmaster | oh i didnt even see the article |
| 21:02.11 | Arrowmaster | at DAY the luggage drop off belt is behind the ticket counter so you cant even get to it, but the pickup belt is a loop that goes behind the wall into the back |
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| 21:02.59 | TC-Work | Similar to LAX but the pickup is freestanding and does not go behind walls |
| 21:03.49 | Arrowmaster | DAYs pickup has been unchanged for 20 years or so |
| 21:04.35 | Arrowmaster | hell even after major renovations nothing about the terminals, ticket desks, or luggage pickup seens changed in 20 years |
| 21:04.56 | pompy | remember the renovations at lax in '11? hopefully they are done lol. |
| 21:05.02 | TC-Work | Nope |
| 21:05.06 | pompy | United's terminal was one being worked on |
| 21:05.42 | TC-Work | At the moment it is the tom bradley international terminal being worked on, and that just shits all over traffic. |
| 21:05.50 | TC-Work | because LA needed more traffic.... |
| 21:05.55 | pompy | iknorite |
| 21:06.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was waiting for xin in '11 and the outside of the international terminal was a mess |
| 21:09.58 | Sintacks | for some reason, bagnon isn't showing how many of things i have on other toons, for one toon only... |
| 21:10.04 | pompy | kd3: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/23470998/minn-dairy-queen-manager-replaces-20-for-blind-man what a pal. |
| 21:10.25 | pompy | Sintacks: check the settings |
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| 22:19.22 | Unkle | mmmmm... godiva chocolate covered pretzels. |
| 22:25.21 | Neffi | mmm.. cajun chicken w/ penne in pesto sauce & a rice ball |
| 22:25.40 | Neffi | If I ever move from NYC, I'm gonna miss the food |
| 22:26.37 | TC-Work | Because that is the only place in the world to get it?..... |
| 22:27.05 | Unkle | Diversity and convenience of options. |
| 22:27.32 | TC-Work | I assume most major cities are similar in that respect |
| 22:27.36 | Unkle | Though San Francisco will give NYC a run for its money any day. |
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| 22:40.49 | Neffi | For some foods, definitely |
| 22:41.07 | Neffi | But NYC's brand of Italian food is awesome |
| 22:41.45 | Neffi | I've visited a few places that claim to have authentic NY Italian food and pizza, and they couldn't be far from that |
| 22:41.48 | Neffi | farther* |
| 22:42.46 | Neffi | And being able to get that stuff one night, great Halal food the next night, good Chinese the night after, etc. The other states I've been to don't offer anything close to the quality you can find here, unless you're getting a cheeseburger. |
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| 22:56.20 | TC-Work | I know I can get all of that in LA. |
| 22:56.37 | TC-Work | (subjectively) |
| 22:57.38 | Neffi | Well all of that yeah |
| 22:57.47 | Neffi | But not NY style pizza or good NY style Italian food |
| 22:58.20 | Neffi | My brother and father have both been to California. LA, SF, a couple other cities. Even THE places for Italian food and pizza were nothing compared to NYC. |
| 22:59.10 | Neffi | I mean, I'm sure LA tops NYC on some food. But I'd still miss the kinds of food NY does best if I ever left. |
| 23:00.25 | TC-Work | Uh, there are a lot of places in LA, I know they did not go to all of them. |
| 23:00.57 | Neffi | Well no |
| 23:01.08 | Neffi | But nobody else really has NY pizza |
| 23:01.10 | TC-Work | For example a very popular pizza place that just opened up is being run by someone that had a pizzaria in NYC. Granted it won't be exactly the same due to the tap water, but it will be similar. |
| 23:01.18 | Neffi | Ehh |
| 23:01.27 | Neffi | Also the quality of the herbs makes a big difference |
| 23:01.43 | TC-Work | CA is kinda known for it's fresh produce. |
| 23:02.07 | Neffi | There was a place in Michigan run by a guy who was born and raised in Brooklyn. The pizza was a healthy cut above anything else from MI, but it couldn't compare to a run-of-the-mill NY pizzeria, let alone a top-notch one |
| 23:02.31 | Neffi | He even imported some ingredients to get eg the right cheese, but it was still off |
| 23:03.12 | Neffi | Just like we can get a philly cheese steak here that's pretty damn good, but when you go to Philly and get one, it's a different breed |
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| 23:34.58 | Clamsoda | Good evening. |
| 23:47.37 | Neffi | Hola Senor Clam |
