| 00:08.15 | Esamynn|work | perhaps they still have someone clever in their marketing dept? |
| 00:19.49 | |Jelly| | Anyone know of anyone with extra Blizzcon tickets? |
| 00:21.05 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.45 | Semlar | are the servers down? |
| 00:22.52 | Semlar | nope i just can't get on any of them |
| 00:24.07 | Shirik | for anyone that hasn't seen it yet http://m.now.msn.com/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-modern-trailer-goes-viral |
| 00:28.44 | Semlar | can i force the launcher to repatch the game somehow |
| 00:29.00 | Stanzilla | repair |
| 00:29.10 | Semlar | it thinks it's up to date but it's acting like the version doesn't match the servers |
| 00:29.51 | Semlar | ah |
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| 00:33.59 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/1011701/ well on the plus side i'm not the only one with this problem |
| 00:35.02 | Esamynn|work | Shirik: why not just provide a direct link to it, it's EPIC! |
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| 00:36.00 | Shirik | not my fault |
| 00:36.01 | Shirik | how it was linked to me |
| 00:37.29 | Esamynn|work | ahh, so you're just a lazy re-linker :P |
| 00:38.33 | TGiFallen | what do i need to use to escape "\t" |
| 00:38.41 | TGiFallen | which is the tab character |
| 00:39.08 | Esamynn|work | TGiFallen: how about some context? |
| 00:40.07 | TGiFallen | mm, my bad. Trying to make a weakaura and i'm trying to make the text formatting look nice, when i use \t anything that comes after it is replace with "..." |
| 00:40.14 | Shirik | anyone here use a smartcard? I have a smartcard now from work. Could I use the same smartcard to lock down my personal devices? |
| 00:40.27 | Shirik | I don't think it's linked to work in any way; all the cryptography is done on the card, right? |
| 00:40.35 | TC-Work | You have to key the lock to the card |
| 00:40.37 | Dagmar | That'll depend on the app you're using to do it more than anything else. |
| 00:40.57 | Shirik | I'm not aware of any app I have |
| 00:41.06 | Dagmar | You're also likely to need to know a secret that's _on the card_. |
| 00:41.07 | Shirik | Just Windows 7 saw the smart card reader and was like "oh you can insert smart card now!" |
| 00:41.11 | TC-Work | If it is seiously advanced it can be set to be linked to one thing only. |
| 00:41.12 | Shirik | I do know its pin |
| 00:41.17 | bleeter | LOL ... Fox News tries to explain Github https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png |
| 00:41.36 | TGiFallen | is that enough context esamynn? |
| 00:41.37 | Dagmar | Shirik: Like, in short, if it's a fancy card that supports multiple secrets, probably |
| 00:41.48 | Shirik | oh I see what you mean |
| 00:42.06 | Dagmar | Yeah I'm just waiting for the NFC ring to make it out of kickstarter-land |
| 00:43.34 | TC-Work | I laughed at that so hard. |
| 00:44.16 | TC-Work | "Excuse me for a moment, something is not working, I will need to finger my phone for a bit." |
| 00:44.57 | Esamynn|work | TGiFallen: not really, given I have no clue what you mean by "make a weakaura" |
| 00:45.13 | TGiFallen | the addon called weak auras... |
| 00:45.51 | Esamynn|work | ahh, never heard of it |
| 00:46.15 | TGiFallen | spin off of power auras, like 5th most popular wow addon haha |
| 00:46.46 | TGiFallen | but i can't provide much more context, i Use "\t" in a string, and it truncates everything after it and places in "..." |
| 00:47.07 | Esamynn|work | sound to me like the fontstring is question isn't long enough to handle whatever size a tab is in it |
| 00:47.16 | Esamynn|work | I've never played with tabs in wow fontstrings |
| 00:47.56 | TGiFallen | weird. cuz typically a tab is 3 or 4 characters, and i did test the string out and it took more than 12 characters |
| 00:48.08 | Esamynn|work | actually, a standard tab is 8 characters |
| 00:48.34 | TGiFallen | really? but it only represents 3 or 4 spaces? |
| 00:48.44 | TGiFallen | what is a fontstring? did blizz implement their own string data type to wow? |
| 00:48.46 | Esamynn|work | no, a standard tab is 8 spaces long |
| 00:49.46 | Esamynn|work | a FontString is the widget type which displays text |
| 00:49.50 | bleeter | there is no tab 'standard' |
| 00:50.04 | TGiFallen | ^ |
| 00:50.41 | TGiFallen | and i see |
| 00:51.07 | bleeter | oh, did you mean the Blizz stanard tab? (yeah, reading back now)... /me slinks away |
| 00:51.13 | Esamynn|work | bleeter: depends on what you're dealing with |
| 00:51.19 | Esamynn|work | for CSS, for example: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/text.html#white-space-model |
| 00:51.40 | TGiFallen | don't get those python programmers going about tabs |
| 00:51.54 | bleeter | goes back to explaining Github to Fox News viewers |
| 00:51.57 | Shirik | so it looks like in Windows there's just a cert store for smart card trusted roots |
| 00:52.03 | Shirik | so I could just add the cert there and it would work? |
| 00:52.10 | Esamynn|work | bleeter: you really hate yourself today, huh? :P |
| 00:52.24 | bleeter | Esamynn|work: no more than usual, mate. no more than usual ;) |
| 00:52.32 | Esamynn|work | no comment |
| 00:52.41 | bleeter | I hate myself so much I'm going to Sydney for a few days |
| 00:52.51 | bleeter | worst. city. in. Australia. |
| 00:52.51 | TGiFallen | Shirik, I'm gonna hazard a guess and say most of the people in the wowuidev IRC know less than you about smart cards, but there probably is some sort of IRC for smartcards |
| 00:53.05 | Shirik | TGiFallen: We've already proven 2 people know more :) |
| 00:53.42 | TGiFallen | second half of my statement still stands true :P |
| 00:54.01 | Shirik | the truth of your statement does not justify any actual action |
| 00:55.46 | TGiFallen | so to paraphrase it "even though you are right I'm not going to do anything about it" :P |
| 00:55.59 | Esamynn|work | now he's getting it |
| 00:57.36 | TC-Work | Shirik: Do it and see. |
| 00:57.48 | Shirik | I would but I don't have a reader with me right now :( |
| 00:57.50 | Shirik | I probably will tomorrow |
| 00:58.02 | TC-Work | Unless you manage to fuck it up, it would be in addition to current security, not overwrite it. |
| 01:18.20 | pompy | http://deadspin.com/crazy-picture-captures-frog-being-blasted-into-sky-by-n-1300119462 lol |
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| 01:28.59 | Clamsoda | Hello, friends. |
| 01:43.03 | TGiFallen | hello |
| 01:45.29 | kd3 | ... |
| 01:45.34 | kd3 | "Highwind Albatross already carrying a player will no longer have its flight path interrupted when attacked by other players. Players who have been picked up by an Albatross can still interrupt its flight by attacking it. " |
| 01:45.39 | kd3 | I complained about this months ago on the ptr |
| 01:46.26 | Gnarfoz | it's a miracle they even fixed it on live, then. |
| 01:48.34 | Esamynn|work | kd3: how about damn things forcing me out of my Druid form forcing me to wack it to death with my auto attack? |
| 01:48.53 | Esamynn|work | takes for freaking ever |
| 01:49.01 | kd3 | you don't have any damage-causing abilities in hooman form? |
| 01:49.08 | Esamynn|work | spells |
| 01:49.16 | Esamynn|work | with a very small mana pool |
| 01:49.50 | Esamynn|work | spells which only hit for ... 20k |
| 01:50.40 | Esamynn|work | ie. not much faster than auto-attack with the downside of not being able to just afk for 5 minutes |
| 01:51.02 | Gnarfoz | can't you just... shift back? |
| 01:51.14 | Esamynn|work | nope, won't let me :( |
| 01:51.22 | Gnarfoz | what is "it" |
| 01:51.33 | Esamynn|work | just about the only thing you cannot do when in the bird's mouth |
| 01:51.35 | Esamynn|work | the game |
| 01:51.39 | kd3 | points at the wiki: http://wowpedia.org/Highwind_Albatross |
| 01:52.10 | Gnarfoz | aha, so there's a "those", "them", "the" or whatever missing in the first sentence |
| 01:52.29 | Gnarfoz | would've caught on :p |
| 01:52.29 | kd3 | looks at his first non-... sentence |
| 01:52.34 | Gnarfoz | not yours. |
| 01:52.49 | Gnarfoz | "damn things" could be anything :P |
| 01:53.32 | Esamynn|work | so sue me, I forgot a "the" |
| 01:53.40 | Esamynn|work | I already acknowledged I cannot type today |
| 01:53.47 | Esamynn|work | consider it a... large type :P |
| 01:53.54 | Esamynn|work | s/type/typo/ |
| 01:54.17 | Esamynn|work | also |
| 01:54.22 | Esamynn|work | ~cheeseslap Gnarfoz |
| 01:54.22 | purl | ACTION slaps Gnarfoz around with a slice of limburger |
| 01:54.26 | Gnarfoz | yum |
| 01:54.40 | Gnarfoz | and I had trouble understanding what you were talking about, what's the big deal |
| 01:55.12 | kd3 | he was reacting to me? I figured it was implied what he was talking about |
| 01:55.19 | kd3 | also, pong, ess |
| 01:55.20 | Gnarfoz | I've not had the privilege of actually being carried by one of these beasts, but do you actually have to kill them while being carried by them? All advice I heard was "make sure you only attack once or it will drop you again right after picking you up" |
| 01:55.35 | kd3 | you have to actually kill it to get off |
| 01:55.49 | kd3 | it just hovers a few yards above the ground holding you in it's claws until it dies |
| 01:55.55 | Gnarfoz | kd3: could have been talking about "things" forcing him out of druid forms being reported-but-not-fixed-ptr-bugs? :\ |
| 01:55.58 | Esamynn|work | kd3: thanks, but no worries, I found the information I need. For the record, I was wondering how to find the quest IDs for the one-time open chests on the Isle |
| 01:56.16 | kd3 | I've got almost all of them listed on the wiki ;) |
| 01:56.22 | kd3 | just the moss-covered chests I didn't do |
| 01:56.25 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 01:56.35 | Esamynn|work | found a wowhead post with those ones |
| 01:56.53 | Esamynn|work | how did you get them in the first place, btw? |
| 01:56.55 | Esamynn|work | data mining? |
| 01:57.07 | kd3 | yah |
| 01:57.11 | Gnarfoz | anyway, bugs reported on ptr being ignored until they cause issues on live, then getting hotfixed... blergh. no improvement at all in that area |
| 01:57.24 | Esamynn|work | no kidding |
| 01:57.37 | Gnarfoz | (same for beta, too) |
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| 02:04.07 | kd3 | speaking of the albatrosses, I'm glad I had a legitimate excuse to put my character on the wiki. I don't get to do that very often |
| 02:05.40 | Esamynn|work | heh |
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| 02:34.20 | airtonix | ixcape |
| 02:37.21 | pnorman | The perfect gem proc chance is very close to 10% but I might actually have enough data to show it's not 10% |
| 02:37.57 | airtonix | Ackis: I leave this running 24/7 with xbmc : http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AT5IONTI/ |
| 02:41.32 | Arrowmaster | i think i already owned all the new humble retro bundle games but one and still bought it |
| 02:41.35 | airtonix | Ackis: runs ubuntu 13.04. i'm sure you can get an miniitx with the new ion chipsets |
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| 03:37.30 | Malarroy | Is there any easier way to browse through textures than viewing each individual one on http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/BUTTONS? |
| 03:38.06 | Torhal | Malarroy: Yes. Dump the artwork and use XNView. |
| 03:38.09 | Torhal | ~framexml |
| 03:38.09 | purl | somebody said framexml was Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 03:38.17 | Torhal | Malarroy: ^ |
| 03:39.32 | Malarroy | Thanks |
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| 03:58.55 | Malarroy | I must be missing something really simple...is there a texture to use to create an x button in the top right corner of a window, or is there some other way to make it? |
| 04:02.31 | Malarroy | And nvm, found it. ^^ |
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| 04:19.45 | kd3 | winces at today's xkcd |
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| 04:46.50 | Esamynn | GAH!!! |
| 04:46.59 | Esamynn | their hot fix completely buggered the Albatrosses for me :( |
| 04:48.00 | airtonix | kd3: Points to anyone who hacks the Flickr devs' computers to make their text editors do this when you click on anything. |
| 04:55.40 | airtonix | what is with glossy button skeuomorphics! |
| 04:55.48 | airtonix | hulk smash! |
| 05:13.41 | airtonix | zenzio: https://wiki.theory.org/YourLanguageSucks#Ruby_sucks_because: |
| 05:13.56 | airtonix | zenzio: you asked a while ago about this topic. |
| 05:18.46 | Semlar | Esamynn: what's this about buggering albatross? |
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| 05:53.39 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 05:53.54 | bluipodcow | Oh hai |
| 05:54.01 | bluipodcow | I r at work |
| 05:54.38 | Fisker | says right here you're on your ipod |
| 05:55.05 | bluipodcow | Bluipodatworkcow sounds silly |
| 05:55.32 | Fisker | but it's informative |
| 05:57.53 | bluipodcow | So is yr mom |
| 06:02.53 | Esamynn | Semlar: with their hotfix, they don't just stop when you attack them a second time, if you don't do enough damage fast enough, they start moving again |
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| 06:05.44 | Fisker | oh man bluipodcow |
| 06:05.54 | Fisker | i need some kind of burn ointment issee |
| 06:05.56 | Fisker | i see* |
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| 06:06.24 | bluipodcow | Lol mad? |
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| 06:53.45 | airtonix | fiskers mum always informs during fun times. |
| 06:54.08 | airtonix | always delivers |
| 06:54.46 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: sup? |
| 06:55.13 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: i dont remember |
| 06:55.16 | jleclanche | oh yeah, HIB |
| 06:55.21 | jleclanche | but nvm |
| 06:55.28 | nevcairiel | hib? |
| 06:55.45 | jleclanche | i had a spare hib9 copy but someone else got it |
| 06:56.05 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: also do you think you could add the new archeology digsite progress bar to quartzx |
| 06:56.06 | jleclanche | -x |
| 06:56.35 | nevcairiel | if you can tell me which events it uses |
| 06:56.50 | jleclanche | sure but its not a regular cast bar |
| 06:56.51 | nevcairiel | but i already planned to look at my addons this weekend, i'll try to remember |
| 06:57.03 | jleclanche | its like a 6-step progress bar |
| 06:58.31 | bluipodcow | Hib? |
| 06:58.31 | Clamsoda | Hello. |
| 06:58.44 | jleclanche | bluipodcow: humblebundle.com |
| 06:59.47 | airtonix | bluipodcow: you should step out of that walled garden more often |
| 06:59.59 | airtonix | bluipodcow: it's starting to show. |
| 07:00.21 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.22 | Shirik | http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/09/12/united-fares-zero/2806633/ |
| 07:05.27 | Shirik | how did I miss this T_T |
| 07:06.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:10.56 | Semlar | is the omen threat sound effect in the game files |
| 07:12.59 | bluipodcow | I dunno |
| 07:13.10 | bluipodcow | What's it sound like ? |
| 07:13.22 | bluipodcow | A woo a woo a woo? |
| 07:13.39 | airtonix | the trains. they go a woo... woo... woo. |
| 07:13.59 | Cairenn | what the fox say? |
| 07:14.39 | airtonix | I know not of any fox. perhaps you have been mislead? |
| 07:14.54 | Cairenn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE |
| 07:14.58 | Semlar | the like slam noise it makes when you pulled aggro |
| 07:15.20 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's a sound file from in game but i don't know where it is |
| 07:15.20 | nevcairiel | sounds like it would be in the game files |
| 07:15.40 | airtonix | lawl |
| 07:15.48 | airtonix | "and the seal goes ow ow ow" |
| 07:15.54 | Cairenn | it gets better |
| 07:15.57 | Cairenn | keep watching |
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| 07:16.30 | nevcairiel | Semlar: there is one ogg file in the omen dir, not sure if thats the sound though |
| 07:16.34 | Semlar | nah |
| 07:17.03 | nevcairiel | omen has a sound configuration, which does it use? :p |
| 07:17.25 | Semlar | the ogg file is like a klaxon sound effect |
| 07:17.26 | nevcairiel | default appears to be "Fel Nova" |
| 07:17.35 | nevcairiel | ie.Sound\Spells\SeepingGaseous_Fel_Nova.wav |
| 07:17.48 | Semlar | that's probably it |
| 07:18.19 | airtonix | cat actually says 'nyanyanyanyanyanynanyanyanyanyanyanyan' |
| 07:18.26 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 07:18.37 | Semlar | i just wanted to make a tiny addon to make it super obvious when a rare pops up on the minimap |
| 07:18.55 | nevcairiel | rares show on the minimap now? |
| 07:19.05 | Semlar | yeah they made it so they have like a skull icon |
| 07:19.32 | nevcairiel | meh, will be even harder to kill them now |
| 07:19.36 | nevcairiel | or well, get the kill :p |
| 07:19.44 | Semlar | probably more competition |
| 07:21.58 | Semlar | any way to make this ignore your volume settings |
| 07:22.27 | Semlar | or maybe this is a channel it plays in |
| 07:22.40 | nevcairiel | you can control the audio channel, dont ask me what the options are |
| 07:22.42 | Semlar | looks like they use SFX |
| 07:23.33 | Semlar | alright this is going to give me a heart attack every time a rare shows up |
| 07:23.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 07:23.53 | nevcairiel | if thats the best strategy |
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| 07:43.33 | Semlar | it is |
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| 07:51.38 | zenzio | having Norwegian stuff (other than comments) in code looks wrong to me... but when you get things like ORDER_ITEM_STATUS_SLETTET... sigh. (slettet = deleted) |
| 07:51.58 | Kalroth | haha |
| 07:52.14 | Kalroth | JÄVLA_ORDER_ITEM |
| 07:52.18 | nevcairiel | even mixed with english? thats just bad :p |
| 07:52.36 | zenzio | nevcairiel: yeah, I'm starting to wish I hadn't inherited this codebase |
| 07:52.44 | Kalroth | ACH_MEIN_LIFE |
| 07:55.47 | Fisker | Kalroth |
| 07:56.36 | Fisker | I'll fare you for free Shirik |
| 08:01.09 | Kalroth | fair* |
| 08:02.14 | bleeter | tackle hugs tekkubby |
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| 08:11.10 | Fisker | hugtackles bleeter |
| 08:15.06 | bleeter | fiskers Esamynn|Away |
| 08:15.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:16.02 | Fisker | this day is terrible |
| 08:16.16 | Fisker | I just had to get up and walk somewhere with something |
| 08:16.24 | Fisker | which was terrible enough as is |
| 08:16.34 | Fisker | then i get back and see i forgot an usb adapter |
| 08:16.41 | Fisker | now i have to get up twice :( |
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| 08:26.36 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://i.imgur.com/vFdyv.png |
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| 08:33.26 | NuSuey | oh hell, why the hell is there no eu deal for mists o.O gr |
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| 08:58.05 | Maldivia | Ohh, btw - Happy Programmer's Day everyone :) |
| 08:58.29 | Fisker | Well why call it a programmers day if it's for everyone? :3 |
| 08:58.40 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 08:58.59 | nevcairiel | cheap troll is cheap |
| 08:59.09 | Fisker | pls :( |
| 08:59.12 | Maldivia | Fisker: so all the non-programmers can give presents to the programmers around them |
| 08:59.17 | Fisker | a play on words isn't a troll |
| 08:59.21 | Fisker | oh cool |
| 08:59.27 | Fisker | anyone have a present for me? |
| 08:59.45 | Kalroth | a happy programmer's day? not bloody likely! |
| 09:00.12 | Maldivia | Kalroth: it's also Friday 13th... so yeah :) |
| 09:00.32 | Maldivia | so, blood might be likely |
| 09:00.47 | nevcairiel | was born on a friday the 13th |
| 09:00.58 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: and look how you turned out..... |
| 09:01.06 | nevcairiel | i know, right? |
| 09:02.43 | airtonix | this is outrageous |
| 09:16.52 | mitch0 | so, 5.4 is live? |
| 09:17.06 | Fisker | yep |
| 09:17.50 | mitch0 | time for furious toc-bumping then... |
| 09:25.41 | airtonix | Fisker: some people take themselves way too seriously |
| 09:26.09 | airtonix | also there is a serious case of hero worship over there |
| 09:28.27 | Fisker | yeah airtonix |
| 09:28.39 | airtonix | don't ping me fisker |
| 09:28.44 | airtonix | :( |
| 09:28.48 | airtonix | lawl |
| 09:28.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 09:29.03 | Fisker | I know the guy |
| 09:29.07 | Fisker | which is why it's funny |
| 09:29.14 | airtonix | hilarious |
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| 10:15.30 | Neffi | Programmer's day, eh? |
| 10:15.43 | Neffi | When's the parade start? When is gift-giving? |
| 10:16.04 | Neffi | Should I wear a shirt that signifies I'm a programmer? Like "printf('give me presents, plebs');" |
| 10:16.23 | Neffi | and yes I know the quotes are reverse |
| 10:17.33 | haste | missing \n Neffi ! |
| 10:17.41 | Neffi | Not vital |
| 10:17.56 | Neffi | It's my holiday. Why should I exert effort to respect your CLI? |
| 10:18.04 | haste | :( |
| 10:18.08 | Neffi | lol |
| 10:18.16 | haste | and how is it _your_ holiday :P ? |
| 10:18.50 | Neffi | Because I said so |
| 10:18.59 | Neffi | I never said it wasn't your holday too |
| 10:24.09 | airtonix | i can give you some bug reports if you like? |
| 10:24.34 | airtonix | it's the gift cynics love to give |
| 10:29.24 | Neffi | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Best-of-Email-Fun-in-Alaiowaska,-HP-Cannot-Comment,-Mumps-Tech-Support,-and-more.aspx |
| 10:29.29 | Neffi | LOL @ 5th one down |
| 10:32.42 | Neffi | This is what I want for programmer's day: http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/5150-juice-caffeine-liquid |
| 10:33.15 | Semlar | 16g of caffeine |
| 10:34.02 | Neffi | or this http://www.amazon.com/NuSci-Caffeine-Anhydrous-Powder-Alertness/dp/B004LWDM4Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1379068434&sr=8-3&keywords=crystalline+caffeine |
| 10:34.08 | Semlar | you know you can just buy a shitton of caffeine on amazon |
| 10:34.16 | Neffi | ^ |
| 10:34.16 | Semlar | they have like all the drugs |
| 10:34.22 | bluipodcow | Ok home times |
| 10:34.37 | Semlar | i seriously question the legality of some of the things they do sell |
| 10:34.38 | Neffi | tbh |
| 10:34.45 | Neffi | i think I'd end up killing myself with that |
| 10:34.57 | Semlar | would you just cut the bag open and shove your face in it |
| 10:35.05 | Semlar | CAFFEEEEEEEEEEINE |
| 10:35.16 | Neffi | I've managed to push myself to mild caffeine overdose before (twitches and cramps). And that was intentional. |
| 10:35.35 | Neffi | I could see myself getting used to the dose, and just eyeballing shit -- at 8 am with one half open bloodshot eye |
| 10:35.40 | Semlar | really at some point you might as well just graduate to cocaine |
| 10:36.08 | Neffi | Yeah I've had fun and dark times. Eventually I needed to downgrade again. |
| 10:36.41 | Semlar | alright someone posted the exact same addon i've been writing over the past couple days with the same name i was going to use |
| 10:36.50 | Neffi | and tbh cocaine isn't all it's cracked up to be. phetamines are better stimulants. |
| 10:37.13 | Neffi | Link to said addon? |
| 10:37.21 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22499-RareAlert.html |
| 10:38.16 | Semlar | mine's slightly better though |
| 10:38.47 | zenzio | go with RareAlarm! |
| 10:39.04 | Semlar | well now i don't even know if i should bother uploading it |
| 10:39.15 | Neffi | nah, go with The Real Rare Alert |
| 10:39.23 | Neffi | And have it play Slim Shady every now and then |
| 10:39.34 | Semlar | tempting |
| 10:39.40 | Neffi | I'd download that |
| 10:39.45 | Semlar | who wouldn't |
| 10:45.29 | airtonix | lol cocaine |
| 10:54.37 | zenzio | o_O |
| 10:56.25 | Neffi | is that your cocaine face, zenzio? |
| 10:57.12 | zenzio | nope, it's my "I must have missed this conversation"-face |
| 10:57.16 | Sintacks | ._O |
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| 11:09.46 | Semlar | o god there's a miniature blingtron pet |
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| 12:19.17 | karl_w_w | http://www.dailyfailcenter.com/97896 100% accurate |
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| 12:29.59 | karl_w_w | amazing |
| 12:30.19 | karl_w_w | build an arena deck with like 15 2 cost cards in it |
| 12:30.29 | karl_w_w | and dont get any of them until round 7 |
| 12:30.30 | bluspacecow | does it work ? |
| 12:30.58 | karl_w_w | only if you get them |
| 12:31.12 | karl_w_w | 6 cost cards don't do much good |
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| 13:00.37 | zenzio | happy Friday miss peppy! |
| 13:02.23 | airtonix | it's actualy saturday filthy peasant. |
| 13:02.42 | airtonix | apologies. it will be in 30mins |
| 13:02.45 | zenzio | then me and everyone in the office made a bad mistake |
| 13:02.55 | airtonix | yes. quite. |
| 13:03.50 | airtonix | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdj67XknFrM |
| 13:03.58 | zenzio | airtonix: best quote ever |
| 13:11.17 | airtonix | http://imgur.com/gallery/nrzhG |
| 13:11.24 | airtonix | pretty cool story |
| 13:16.15 | Semlar | o man, the patch they just did on the server made more information available about the rare icons on the minimap |
| 13:16.20 | Semlar | >_> |
| 13:16.21 | Semlar | <_, |
| 13:16.25 | Semlar | OH GOD MY EYE |
| 13:16.27 | nevcairiel | isnt that good |
| 13:16.29 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 13:16.34 | bluspacecow | level 99 scenarios |
| 13:16.46 | bluspacecow | battlegrounds in scenario queue |
| 13:16.50 | zenzio | I got 99 scenarios but a legendary ain't one |
| 13:16.50 | bluspacecow | woops! |
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| 13:17.10 | Semlar | well, it's neat but it also just completely broke what i was relying on to figure out if the minimap icon indicated it was a rare or not |
| 13:17.25 | Semlar | any time it DIDN'T return info about it, it was a rare |
| 13:17.40 | Semlar | now it does return info so that doesn't work |
| 13:18.12 | nevcairiel | stiull seems like a better solution now :p |
| 13:18.14 | nevcairiel | -u |
| 13:18.20 | nevcairiel | of course you have to adjust, but hey |
| 13:18.32 | Semlar | oh yeah it's much better now |
| 13:18.46 | Semlar | i can do what i wanted to do before but couldn't |
| 13:19.03 | Semlar | since i have the rare's name i can make a targeting macro |
| 13:19.37 | nevcairiel | let me know when its done, that sounds useful :D |
| 13:20.30 | Semlar | i'm not sure if this information is going to remain available since it definitely wasn't before the server went down for a restart |
| 13:21.23 | Semlar | i'll play around with it some more because i still need to be sure it's a rare that i'm detecting |
| 13:22.02 | Semlar | i THINK the unknown variable might be some indicator as to what icon it's using but i haven't figured that out yet |
| 13:22.43 | Semlar | if i do get this working i could actually create an arrow pointing directly at the rare |
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| 13:26.16 | Semlar | time to do some exploring |
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| 13:28.47 | Lopeppeppy | Hoppy Friday! |
| 13:31.46 | Semlar | alright, good news, some rares still don't return info |
| 13:32.05 | Semlar | haven't quite figured out what determines if they do or not |
| 13:38.37 | zenzio | "toggleJaNeiSwitch"... |
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| 13:39.03 | nevcairiel | you sure have a colorful codebase at hand |
| 13:39.10 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3q8rf0zNS0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m34s |
| 13:39.44 | zenzio | nevcairiel: you haven't even seen a 10th of what I've been linking my brother (but he's on holiday, so I need to vent it somewhere) \o/ |
| 13:39.47 | nevcairiel | i saw that in the cinema last night, quite a funny movie |
| 13:49.41 | airtonix | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf |
| 13:49.43 | airtonix | lol'd |
| 13:53.30 | zenzio | "I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests" |
| 13:53.37 | zenzio | this is sadly true for so many coders |
| 13:54.32 | Neffi | void this_crashes_the_program() |
| 13:54.43 | Neffi | / we can't find the memory leak so call this every so often |
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| 13:55.32 | TC-Work | So on programmer day we talk about shit programmers? |
| 13:55.48 | Kalroth | dont we do that every day |
| 13:55.53 | zenzio | * * * * * /etc/init.d/apache2 graceful |
| 13:56.00 | TC-Work | no, but it is common |
| 13:56.19 | zenzio | I wasn't aware it was programmer day |
| 13:56.32 | Neffi | How about we talk about Theo de Raadt vs Richard Stallman vs Linus Torvalds |
| 13:56.38 | zenzio | in fact, I don't accept most of these stupid "X day" that people come up with all the time |
| 13:56.52 | zenzio | Neffi: who's de Raadt? |
| 13:57.13 | Neffi | OpenBSD founder, security "guru" and professional troll |
| 13:57.22 | Neffi | Mostly the last thing |
| 13:57.30 | zenzio | aha |
| 13:58.03 | Neffi | He hates rms, and it's kinda funny |
| 13:58.11 | zenzio | a lot of people hate RMS |
| 13:58.12 | Neffi | Also he calls Linux shit all the time |
| 13:58.32 | zenzio | I find RMS all right, even though he can go overboard on the "open" thing sometimes |
| 13:58.39 | zenzio | Linus I generally can't stand |
| 13:58.46 | Neffi | Why? |
| 13:58.51 | Neffi | Linus seems like a cool dude |
| 13:59.09 | nevcairiel | i really dont like RMS because he is a freetard without a sense of reality :P |
| 13:59.29 | Neffi | aye |
| 13:59.42 | Neffi | He's overly idealistic and would rather further his political cause than actually do good |
| 13:59.56 | zenzio | Neffi: Linus is a good coder, I don't question that, but his attitude toward people who disagree with him just does not work for me |
| 13:59.58 | nevcairiel | I'm all for open source, but at the end of the day us developers still have to get money from a company, which usually means developing some closed thing for them :p |
| 14:00.19 | Neffi | I agree fully nev |
| 14:00.26 | zenzio | yup |
| 14:00.40 | Neffi | I can't see his worldview ever agreeing with reality |
| 14:00.47 | Neffi | Not somebody you could call down to earth |
| 14:01.16 | nevcairiel | I find linus' outbursts at devs that sneak bad code into the kernel pull requests quite amusing :D |
| 14:01.24 | Neffi | As for Linus, I don't know enough about him I suppose. But I've seen one or two of his rants and I could never actually disagree with him. |
| 14:01.32 | Neffi | His rant on OpenSUSE being a load of shit was kinda funny |
| 14:02.15 | zenzio | nevcairiel: sometimes it is called for, I'll agree to that. But it seems like often times it isn't |
| 14:03.00 | zenzio | it should be said that I tend to have issues with (what I interpret as) overly confident people in general |
| 14:03.05 | nevcairiel | some people just like venting their frustration into emails, i wouldnt think too much of it |
| 14:04.10 | zenzio | aye, that's fine |
| 14:04.41 | zenzio | it's when it spills onto open fora (typically mailing lists it seems) that it annoys me |
| 14:05.27 | zenzio | but there's without a doubt plenty of people who don't like him and try to pin him as worse than he really is by posting to Slashdot any time he opposes anyone |
| 14:05.46 | zenzio | and those people I have no patience with |
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| 14:09.05 | Dagmar | The carping about his commentary over the /dev/urandom sources was a good example of that |
| 14:09.15 | Dagmar | The code's fucking fine |
| 14:10.41 | nevcairiel | but it should produce random numbers, not fuck fine |
| 14:11.22 | Dagmar | Well, it produces numbers that are as random as yer gonna get |
| 14:11.38 | Dagmar | ...and it was put together by people who actually understand crypto over a decade ago. |
| 14:12.04 | Dagmar | Just because the NSA has been recently tampering with shit is no reason to think they've done something mysterious and obscure there. |
| 14:12.53 | Dagmar | Like, the *worst* that can be said about it is that when it's pulling data from a hardware RNG, that data might be bogus... HOWEVER, it's immediately mixed in with an equal amount of the best htat can be done _without_ the hardware RNG. |
| 14:13.17 | Dagmar | Which effectively bufus any utility one might get from having a hardware RNG where the output is predictable |
| 14:13.39 | Dagmar | If the CPU is tampering with the other source of entropy that's being generated, then you are *completely* fucked and it's not going to matter what the hell your code does. |
| 14:14.44 | Dagmar | The output is as random as can be made, because you *do* have to trust the hardware to some degree. |
| 14:15.24 | Dagmar | ...but there were a bunch of fuckers who clearly do not understand crypto trying to go in there and change it in half-assed ways. |
| 14:16.20 | Semlar | aw they're restarting the server again |
| 14:16.45 | Semlar | they better not break my addon again because i just got done redoing it |
| 14:16.50 | Dagmar | When someone who built Linux says you're fucking up, it's not a time to get all butthurt because someone doesn't believe you're mommy's special little flower |
| 14:16.52 | nevcairiel | weird, i have a circle around me on the minimap, wtf does that thing do |
| 14:17.05 | Semlar | range? |
| 14:17.16 | nevcairiel | its there while i'm flying around |
| 14:17.21 | nevcairiel | no idea |
| 14:17.29 | Dagmar | Laser-free airspace. ;) |
| 14:17.31 | Semlar | is it from an addon |
| 14:17.51 | Ressy | Restarting yet again cuz dungeon servers aren't coming up properly from restart this morning. |
| 14:18.22 | bluspacecow | or BG or scenario or raids |
| 14:20.05 | zenzio | I remember trying to read Applied Cryptography once. Don't think I got through the introduction |
| 14:24.46 | Neffi | why not? |
| 14:30.16 | zenzio | I'm not smart enough |
| 14:30.18 | zenzio | but... |
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| 14:40.02 | Neffi | oh shit |
| 14:40.20 | Neffi | was just trying to find a copy of Applied Cryptography and I have the PDF from way long ago |
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| 14:40.26 | Neffi | =) |
| 14:45.21 | Semlar | i can never find a rare when i need one |
| 14:46.27 | rid_ | :< |
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| 15:00.08 | nevcairiel | someone remind me about the rules of deleting stuff from a table while iterating over it |
| 15:00.12 | nevcairiel | was that bad? :) |
| 15:00.41 | bluspacecow | just as long as you leave enough cookies for everyone. |
| 15:01.11 | Neffi | Umm |
| 15:01.20 | Neffi | With pairs/next, deletion is fine insertion is not |
| 15:01.29 | nevcairiel | ok, thats what i thought i remembered |
| 15:01.30 | Neffi | It might be the other way around. Let me check my code. |
| 15:02.11 | Neffi | Yup. Deletion is fine. |
| 15:02.57 | bluspacecow | mmmmm coookies |
| 15:04.08 | Neffi | bluspacecow: http://imgur.com/gallery/qlR61 |
| 15:04.22 | Neffi | warning: you may have a heart attack just looking at that |
| 15:05.57 | TC-Work | Not bad, but they have better food porn posts |
| 15:06.12 | Neffi | Its simplicity makes it amazing |
| 15:06.31 | Neffi | Because it's the kind of recipe a lazy food lover would actually make |
| 15:06.39 | Semlar | 90% of this addon's code is to create and style a button |
| 15:06.54 | Neffi | that better be one sexy button, Semlar |
| 15:07.00 | Semlar | >_> |
| 15:07.12 | Semlar | the actual script is pretty short |
| 15:07.39 | Semlar | maybe there's a template i could inherit |
| 15:09.32 | Semlar | actually i don't really want to rely on a template |
| 15:10.03 | Semlar | no tellin what might change |
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| 16:01.29 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.30 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9936863599?page=1#11 |
| 16:01.43 | Lopeppeppy | Bail money. I'm going to abso smurfly kill my coworker. |
| 16:01.45 | Lopeppeppy | A lot. |
| 16:02.12 | TC-Work | If you take pictures/video I'll help. |
| 16:02.19 | TC-Work | With the bail |
| 16:03.18 | Lopeppeppy | I'm fixing bugs and non-working items - and she's bitching about faculty who are or aren't listed properly on their sites. |
| 16:03.57 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Aren't self-important people with low IQs just /adorable/? |
| 16:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | They make good wall splatter, Unkle. |
| 16:05.12 | Unkle | I was thinking landfill, but let's go with yours. |
| 16:05.32 | TC-Work | Tell her to send you a list and you will slot it into your list of priorities....just above jabbing yourself with a used needle. |
| 16:06.59 | Lopeppeppy | Or if she would like to work on the coding, I can do her trivial bidding. |
| 16:15.10 | Fisker | I had to add some software to deployment for a bunch of people Lopeppeppy and someone contacted me directly through mail |
| 16:15.20 | Fisker | I created a ticket for her in our system and asked specifically what she wanted done |
| 16:16.06 | Fisker | And i asked her to get a list of computers that needed it |
| 16:16.37 | Fisker | Then i get a mail from someone else where i can see in the message history she asked everyone to send me their computer names over e-mail, also what she wanted done was apparently already done! |
| 16:16.52 | Fisker | (It isn't, and I still don't know what she wants :/) |
| 16:18.59 | Lopeppeppy | Users put crack on their cornflakes and call it our fault. |
| 16:19.14 | bluspacecow | crack on cornflakes |
| 16:19.16 | bluspacecow | good idea |
| 16:19.18 | bluspacecow | imma try that |
| 16:20.03 | Dagmar | I'm still baffled someone thought it would be okay to connect sixteen POTS lines to a server here without a grounding block. |
| 16:20.18 | bluspacecow | zip zap ? |
| 16:20.19 | Dagmar | It's *Nashville*. Goddamn lightning strikes are common here. |
| 16:20.36 | Dagmar | At least they didn't get terribly excited about the server being down. |
| 16:20.56 | Unkle | Dagmar: Someone looked at the work and said "good enough" |
| 16:22.18 | Torhal | "...for Government work!" |
| 16:22.37 | bluspacecow | "…and a Bolo server" |
| 16:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | YOLO - let's see what happens when we connect everything direct to the wall. |
| 16:23.48 | Fisker | :O |
| 16:23.57 | kd3 | I'm expecting a boom I can hear from atlanta |
| 16:24.00 | Fisker | oh well i got a "party" to get back to as well |
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| 16:36.08 | Semlar | is there a more up to date online art browser than the one on wowprogramming.com |
| 16:42.49 | Unkle | Why not just extract the art locally? |
| 16:43.21 | Xinhuan | no blp viewer, maybe? |
| 16:43.45 | Unkle | but there's a free one - foxlit wrote it and WoWI has it. |
| 16:43.58 | Xinhuan | oh i know, i still have it installed |
| 16:44.09 | Unkle | Me too. Pretty useful! |
| 16:50.31 | Neffi | I think Irfanview has an official plugin for BLP |
| 16:55.52 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 16:56.05 | bluspacecow | i use |
| 16:56.07 | bluspacecow | ummm... |
| 16:56.11 | bluspacecow | Xn something rather ? |
| 16:56.27 | bluspacecow | xnview :P |
| 16:56.40 | bluspacecow | http://www.xnview.com/en/index.php |
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| 17:02.59 | Az_Critter | Hello? |
| 17:03.11 | Shirik | hello |
| 17:03.39 | Dagmar | Jesus irfanview is still around? |
| 17:04.48 | Az_Critter | Hello all. Dinesh suggested I come here. I new to IRC in general. Maybe you can read the last few comments here to see why I'm here. http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/auctioneer#c8337 |
| 17:05.06 | bluspacecow | ~slapackis |
| 17:05.08 | Az_Critter | * I'm new to IRC. Sorry |
| 17:05.09 | bluspacecow | http://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1m5xn6/error_132/ |
| 17:05.13 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 17:06.17 | Shirik | Az_Critter I think the best thing for you to do is file a change request |
| 17:06.23 | Shirik | if you aren't planning on implementing it yourself |
| 17:06.34 | Shirik | http://jira.norganna.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa |
| 17:07.05 | Az_Critter | ty |
| 17:09.44 | Dagmar | Ah... One of those comments would explain the weird shit I was seeing with sliders |
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| 17:13.56 | Az_Critter | It looks like you all are really really busy. Doesn't surprise me, with the excellence of your addons. Can anyone direct me to helpful resources, which will better help me to understand/learn the code you use in the addons? |
| 17:15.04 | Xinhuan | you can start with the book Programming in Lua |
| 17:15.06 | Xinhuan | ~pil |
| 17:15.07 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 17:16.08 | Az_Critter | ty very much. I'll check it out now. :) |
| 17:16.23 | Xinhuan | i hope you have _some_ programming background |
| 17:16.31 | Xinhuan | otherwise it might get tough |
| 17:16.35 | Seerah | I also recommend the tutorials at lua-users.org |
| 17:16.39 | Az_Critter | I have a lot of experience in php and mysql. |
| 17:16.41 | Seerah | (I didn't have a programming background) |
| 17:16.46 | Xinhuan | ah, you should be set then |
| 17:16.59 | Az_Critter | ty you too, Seerah. Bookmarking it. |
| 17:17.09 | Xinhuan | that pil "book" should can be finished in 1-2 hours |
| 17:17.31 | Az_Critter | great ty |
| 17:17.37 | Xinhuan | and should pretty much explain most things - you can go back and pick up the much harder language specific idiosyncracies later |
| 17:17.42 | Xinhuan | (stuff about metatables mostly) |
| 17:18.01 | Az_Critter | alright |
| 17:18.22 | Xinhuan | but you'll at least want to read through the first half or 3/4 of it |
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| 17:18.47 | Az_Critter | I can assure you, I'll read the whole thing. Home sick with the flu today. lol |
| 17:19.33 | Az_Critter | Going to read now. Catch you all later, when I have a little better grasp of the code. Thanks for your time and help. :) |
| 17:19.35 | Seerah | :( |
| 17:19.43 | Xinhuan | you can idle around as well |
| 17:19.52 | Xinhuan | can pick up lots of tips just reading idle chat |
| 17:19.58 | Az_Critter | ah k. I'll do that then. ty |
| 17:20.26 | Shirik | tips? |
| 17:20.34 | Shirik | I thought this channel was supposed to be a chronology of my life |
| 17:20.45 | Xinhuan | oh yeah about how you never get hearthstone keys? |
| 17:20.48 | Xinhuan | :D |
| 17:20.51 | Shirik | fu :( |
| 17:21.07 | Shirik | worst part |
| 17:21.19 | Shirik | the community manager for Hearthstone used to effectively be my boss |
| 17:21.33 | Xinhuan | effectively? |
| 17:21.37 | Xinhuan | whats that mean |
| 17:21.41 | Shirik | well not like my actual job |
| 17:21.44 | Shirik | but for a volunteer job I did |
| 17:22.05 | Xinhuan | so, acquaintance |
| 17:22.25 | Seerah | haha |
| 17:22.38 | Seerah | nah |
| 17:22.45 | Az_Critter | Am I still here? |
| 17:22.49 | Seerah | just depends on the situation. |
| 17:22.50 | Seerah | yes |
| 17:22.58 | Az_Critter | lol, sorry. Opened another window by mistake... |
| 17:23.02 | Seerah | Cairenn is "effectively" our boss, too :p |
| 17:23.16 | Az_Critter | First time using IRC and it's options. |
| 17:23.19 | Unkle | Effectively? Like ... with torture devices and everything? |
| 17:23.30 | Xinhuan | boss really only applies if you signed a contract, yeah? |
| 17:23.32 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 17:23.33 | Seerah | wouldn't you like to know? ;) |
| 17:23.40 | Shirik | I've never signed a work contract with anyone |
| 17:23.44 | Shirik | however I have signed an NDA with her :P |
| 17:23.49 | Seerah | Xinhuan: nah... just means they get to boss you around |
| 17:24.02 | Xinhuan | kinky |
| 17:24.15 | Az_Critter | If I close out this tab in Firefox that irc is on, will it also close out the new seperate window of irc I have open? Or will the seperate window stay open on it's own? |
| 17:24.33 | Xinhuan | not sure what you are using to connect to irc |
| 17:24.36 | Xinhuan | there's about 100 different ways |
| 17:24.38 | Xinhuan | or 1000 |
| 17:24.43 | Xinhuan | so can't answer that |
| 17:24.46 | Shirik | PJIRC |
| 17:24.47 | Seerah | I haven't used Chatzilla in a very long time (if that's what you're using) so not sure :) |
| 17:24.50 | Az_Critter | I used the java option, and it opened in ff. |
| 17:24.59 | Xinhuan | if you're good enough, you can even use telnet.exe to irc :P |
| 17:25.03 | Seerah | :p |
| 17:25.21 | kd3 | did that once. lasted for an hour then forgot to respond to a ping |
| 17:25.29 | Az_Critter | k, I'm going to try it. Keeping fingers crossed. lol |
| 17:25.32 | Xinhuan | or get one of the 100 available free irc clients |
| 17:25.40 | Xinhuan | you can wiki for "irc clients" on wikipedia |
| 17:25.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik_Telnet (~8@68-118-161-168.dhcp.unas.nm.charter.com) |
| 17:25.42 | Xinhuan | and get one of them |
| 17:25.48 | Shirik_Telnet | ohai |
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| 17:26.01 | Seerah | I use Pidgin - you know - to also have all those other chat accounts connected that no one talks to me on :p |
| 17:26.09 | Xinhuan | nerd, you actually remembered the commands to send a chat message to a channel |
| 17:26.19 | Shirik_Telnet | I have written a few IRC bots :( |
| 17:26.22 | nevcairiel | that one is easy |
| 17:26.30 | Xinhuan | i don't write irc bots as a hobby |
| 17:26.41 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I can't do a emote though |
| 17:26.44 | nevcairiel | i wrote one too a long time ago |
| 17:26.45 | Shirik | I don't know how to type \1 into a channel |
| 17:26.50 | Shirik | er, into a telnet window |
| 17:26.51 | Xinhuan | though i have downloaded a few, and modified them to do custom stuff |
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| 17:26.53 | nevcairiel | stupid control codes |
| 17:26.55 | Unkle | Seerah: Because I don't know any of those IDs! |
| 17:27.22 | Xinhuan | oh but i can telnet to check email, i remember enough commands to list, retr and del emails :P |
| 17:27.28 | Seerah | Unkle: what what? |
| 17:27.29 | Az_Critter | The answer, for future reference, is 'no'. Closing the ff window also closes the seperate window. |
| 17:27.31 | Shirik_Telnet | PRIVMSG #chan :msg |
| 17:27.49 | Seerah | Az_Critter: :) |
| 17:28.07 | Unkle | Seerah: I don't bug you on Yahoo!, AIM, etc., 'cause I don't know them. Well, Hangouts I know. |
| 17:28.11 | Shirik_Telnet | though |
| 17:28.25 | Seerah | ohhhh |
| 17:28.26 | Shirik_Telnet | Well that's neat. |
| 17:28.41 | Seerah | hugs Unkle |
| 17:28.57 | Lopeppeppy | Hangouts are fun. |
| 17:29.01 | Shirik | this is my favorite part of IRC |
| 17:29.03 | Shirik | QUIT :ok this is annoying |
| 17:29.03 | Shirik | ERROR :Closing Link: 68-118-161-168.dhcp.unas.nm.charter.com (Client Quit) |
| 17:29.08 | Shirik | quitting is an error |
| 17:29.42 | TC-Work | because you are supposed to part first then quit right? |
| 17:29.47 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:30.16 | Lopeppeppy | TC, get started up here, I'm going to spork CoWorker in the eyes. She just forwarded an email in "internal voice" to a user. |
| 17:31.03 | TC-Work | I'm not sure how that works, or why it is a problem. |
| 17:31.17 | Seerah | is that like using your "inside voice"? |
| 17:31.19 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Hangin' is too good fer 'em. |
| 17:32.11 | Cairenn | airtonix: Dog is awesome! |
| 17:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | TC and Seerah, when writing to our own web team I may say things less politically correctly than I would to users. Users need a bit more logic and a bit less "shut up and stop bitching" |
| 17:33.34 | Seerah | ah... though I suppose it depends on the user :p |
| 17:34.10 | TC-Work | no no no, users always need "shut up and stop bitching." |
| 17:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I agree TC - but they don't need to read that in the email. |
| 17:35.39 | TC-Work | weeeeeeel..... |
| 17:35.55 | TC-Work | Need to? no. Should? Maybe. |
| 17:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | Abrasive commentary should not be forwarded to the users - end of story. She just threw me under the bus. |
| 17:37.09 | TC-Work | Oh, she sent something you wrote to the user. Ah, now I see the problem |
| 17:37.18 | Seerah | that bitch |
| 17:37.20 | TC-Work | Yes, stabbity stabbity. |
| 17:37.26 | Unkle | Let's just say this - no matter how much you want to tell the customer to chew glass and swallow naptha, doing so is almost never conducive to career security. |
| 17:38.00 | Unkle | And "Hangin' is too good fer 'em." |
| 17:38.28 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. Unkle understands me. *huggle* |
| 17:38.48 | Seerah | So... supposedly today is international Programmer's Day? Where is my day off? And where is our party? |
| 17:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously! Par-TAY! Bring on the rum drinks! |
| 17:39.25 | Unkle | ... I don't want anyone to send me halmark cards or flowers, ok? Just liquor and ... other stuff. |
| 17:39.26 | TC-Work | No day off, just a whole day of 'compiling' |
| 17:40.38 | Seerah | oh yeah - did you all see this? https://twitter.com/Huth/status/378306063520374784/photo/1 |
| 17:41.39 | haste | the video is worse Seerah |
| 17:41.49 | haste | Seerah: http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2667694577001/writing-new-dictionary |
| 17:41.51 | bluspacecow | Seerah! |
| 17:41.56 | bluspacecow | have a roomba of kitties |
| 17:41.57 | Seerah | haste: danke |
| 17:41.57 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/T9KRV8L.gif |
| 17:42.01 | Seerah | bluspacecow!!! |
| 17:42.11 | Seerah | bluspacecow: rofl! |
| 17:44.14 | Cairenn | lololol |
| 17:44.57 | Unkle | Those kittens, they're playing Highlander, the Roomba edition. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! |
| 17:45.39 | zenzelezz | wasn't that a WC2 cheat code? |
| 17:45.53 | Unkle | I don't know. Never played WC2? |
| 17:46.21 | nevcairiel | a bit of cultural history you're missing there! |
| 17:46.30 | zenzelezz | Unkle: I disown you |
| 17:46.40 | zenzelezz | but yes, it was - the "win the game" code apparently |
| 17:46.58 | nevcairiel | back in the days when games actually had cheat codes |
| 17:47.25 | Unkle | I can't play RTS games for more than about 15 minutes before hand pain makes stopping a critical necessity. |
| 17:47.27 | zenzelezz | sadly no-one in WoW ever understood it when I would say "tigerlily human 60" in chat |
| 17:47.41 | zenzelezz | (that being the "skip to level X" in WC2) |
| 17:49.12 | Unkle | I played a little WC Orcs Vs Humans - but it came out about the time I developed CTS and I stopped playing because it was impossible to play with my hands in giant freaking braces. |
| 17:49.52 | nevcairiel | you just didnt try hard enough! |
| 17:50.23 | VIad | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/164301-graphene-transistors-based-on-negative-resistance-could-spell-the-end-of-silicon-and-semiconductors |
| 17:51.28 | Unkle | Heh. I didn't want it bad enough. I nearly gave up gaming entirely. but ergo keyboards, trackballs and months of physical therapy and a flood of games I could play mostly with the keyboard changed all that. |
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| 18:01.04 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151797675248304&set=p.10151797675248304&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf |
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| 18:02.25 | Cairenn | hah |
| 18:05.52 | Maldivia | hmm, new wow build |
| 18:05.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yes yes yes yes yes, |
| 18:06.15 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to kill her. She's landing me in so much hot water right now... Grin and float. |
| 18:07.09 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ARCHEOLOGY_SURVEY_CAST, ARCHEOLOGY_FIND_COMPLETE |
| 18:07.38 | jleclanche | and probably a last one to remove the bar when complete, i dunno |
| 18:08.13 | Seerah | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 18:10.28 | bluspacecow | 17371 maldivia |
| 18:10.53 | Unkle | Google May Owe You Money - http://business.time.com/2013/09/13/why-google-may-owe-you-money/ |
| 18:11.27 | Unkle | Important bit: "The appeals court ruled that information passed over home Wi-Fi networks is private and protected under federal wiretapping law. " |
| 18:11.54 | TC-Work | I was under the impression that was incorrect. |
| 18:12.09 | TC-Work | That capturing the info was legal, but accessing it was not. |
| 18:12.48 | Ressy | bleh. patch. kd3? |
| 18:12.51 | Unkle | I wish they'd linked the decision so I could read it without tedious searching. |
| 18:12.57 | kd3 | downloading now |
| 18:13.02 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ARCHEOLOGY_FIND_COMPLETE // ARTIFACT_DIGSITE_COMPLETE |
| 18:15.30 | Unkle | TC-Work: Wired has a better article http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/googles-wifi-wiretapping/ |
| 18:16.07 | Esamynn|work | it is amazing how often journalists fail at reading comprehension |
| 18:16.20 | TC-Work | Most people tend to fail at it. |
| 18:16.27 | Esamynn|work | this is true |
| 18:16.43 | VIad | no one excited for graphene CPU's? |
| 18:17.15 | Unkle | VIad: Not to sound like fisker, but the news is old. |
| 18:17.27 | TC-Work | and you have to wait for 10 years |
| 18:17.42 | Unkle | Graphene has been being touted as "the silicon killer" for about 5 years how. |
| 18:18.23 | Esamynn|work | or more |
| 18:19.27 | kd3 | I got a 0-line diff between 17359 and 17371 |
| 18:19.30 | kd3 | that doesn't seem right |
| 18:19.33 | nevcairiel | jleclanche: i pondered to use the mirror bar for that, works for you? |
| 18:19.51 | kd3 | it must be, though, because there's no enUS mpq for today's build |
| 18:20.27 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ultimately up to you, but i wouldve seen it as a separate bar, since it works differently to other bars |
| 18:20.36 | jleclanche | you may want to style it differently |
| 18:20.57 | jleclanche | personally i use mirror bar along with quartz procs for short-time buffs mostly |
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| 18:21.25 | VIad | wtf is this? http://imgur.com/gallery/Qy8xE |
| 18:21.36 | TC-Work | A link |
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| 18:29.03 | Lopeppeppy | I think they call that "twerking". We called it "dirty dancing" |
| 18:29.44 | Neffi | Nah, we call that demonic possession |
| 18:29.47 | Neffi | It's pretty serious. |
| 18:29.52 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 18:30.36 | Maldivia | kd3: exe patch only |
| 18:30.40 | kd3 | yah |
| 18:32.14 | Fisker | :( Unkle |
| 18:32.22 | Fisker | dirty dancing Lopeppeppy ? |
| 18:32.28 | Fisker | I call it awkward and silly dancing |
| 18:33.00 | Cairenn | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=548119278576272 |
| 18:38.13 | Maldivia | putting on some music and start dancing also helps |
| 18:38.14 | zenzelezz | I dislike Cmake... I never seem to remember how to use it properly. And getting the possible configuration options feels a bit more convoluted than configure --help; but I'm open to the idea this is just me being slow |
| 18:38.41 | zenzelezz | not really |
| 18:47.39 | Unkle | Dagmar: I'm shocked fewer people got your Twinkie joke. |
| 18:50.58 | TC-Work | I think I am rather unhappy that gmail thinks that frenemy is spelled correctly. |
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| 18:56.30 | Unkle | I think I am unhappy that "frenemy" is a word. |
| 18:57.45 | Dagmar | Unkle: I think maybe I talked up the preservatives a bit too much |
| 19:05.06 | TC-Work | Unkle: It has it's uses, like when refering to wireshark. |
| 19:05.16 | TC-Work | referring* |
| 19:05.21 | TC-Work | its* |
| 19:08.52 | kd3 | har, msft bought xbone.com, and it's a bing redirect. guess they gotta get bing usage up somehow |
| 19:09.54 | Neffi | I love when searching recipes, and the most delicious looking recipe picture is "add to pan; heat until golden; serve" |
| 19:10.20 | nicoli_s | i always read xbone as x bone |
| 19:12.01 | TC-Work | yes, that's the point |
| 19:12.28 | nicoli_s | that just seems silly |
| 19:12.45 | TC-Work | well ms didn't coin that phrase |
| 19:13.21 | kd3 | but marketing should've realized that roughly 2.3 seconds after the name was announced that the internet was going to call it that |
| 19:18.11 | Ackis | amg best subreddit evar! |
| 19:18.12 | Ackis | http://www.reddit.com/r/roombaww |
| 19:18.15 | Ackis | Cairenn: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 19:19.39 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:20.19 | Torhal | Ackis: http://www.reddit.com/r/awwtf |
| 19:20.40 | Ackis | yeah Torhal I'm subbed to that one |
| 19:20.49 | Ackis | don't like it too much though |
| 19:21.07 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.46 | nicoli_s | awww that bird is eating that poor bunny |
| 19:24.14 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Just go to /r/birdswitharms and you'll forget the bunny. |
| 19:54.55 | Maldivia | ohh god - this is hilarious http://imgur.com/5TMc55t ! |
| 19:55.49 | zenzelezz | don't worry, you'll get it right next time |
| 19:56.40 | nicoli_s | Maldivia: weird, also glad no one was behind me in my cube when i clicked that |
| 19:57.53 | Maldivia | nicoli_s: yeah, quite a handshake he's got there |
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| 20:29.31 | TC-Work | http://xkcd.com/1254/ Now if only I can find an owl..... |
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| 20:39.22 | jleclanche | !api isnewitem |
| 20:39.23 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'isnewitem'. |
| 20:39.29 | jleclanche | weird |
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| 20:47.05 | TC-Work | It's kinda sad that I can buy ~4 27" monitors for the price of one 30" |
| 20:50.14 | Unkle | And that the 30" monitors mostly have crappy pixel density. |
| 20:50.26 | Unkle | (So do the 27" but ...) |
| 20:50.39 | TC-Work | I am perfectly happy with the 2 HP LP2065's I have at work |
| 20:50.46 | TC-Work | And I want them at home |
| 20:50.49 | nevcairiel | i dont consider 30" at 2560x1600 to be crappy density, tbh :) |
| 20:50.50 | TC-Work | NOW! |
| 20:51.02 | TC-Work | 3065's* |
| 20:51.42 | Unkle | I want better monitors at home, but I'm too cheap to buy them right now. |
| 20:53.15 | TC-Work | Unkle: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330932578190&afsrc=1 I have similar. It has some light bleed but I honestly never notice. |
| 20:53.25 | TC-Work | Still, not bad for that price |
| 20:53.55 | TC-Work | hmm...come to think of it, I might have that one |
| 20:56.22 | Unkle | TC-Work: That's cheap enough and large enough that I might actually have to get a second video card. :) |
| 20:56.57 | TC-Work | Unkle: I have to get a 3rd because I 5 output destinations |
| 20:57.11 | TC-Work | or just replace the 2 I have with one 7 series |
| 20:57.20 | TC-Work | but I know myself better than that |
| 20:57.54 | Unkle | I'm using a 24" and a 17"(non-widescreen) at home and I would like MOAR screen space. |
| 20:58.57 | TC-Work | Yea, I can understand wanting more. |
| 21:00.19 | Unkle | Pixel density on my "TV" is about the same as my 17" can handle and it's a 40" screen - so it would be ok for an older game like WoW. |
| 21:00.43 | Unkle | But it's terrible for most other uses. |
| 21:00.59 | Unkle | Er. aside from tv that is. |
| 21:02.49 | TC-Work | I moved from a 1080p primary monitor to a 2560x1440 primary monitor and everything but blu-rays became noticeably worse. |
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| 21:44.09 | jleclanche | wow. |
| 21:44.34 | jleclanche | unbelievable |
| 21:44.43 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/QOABKW3LDMv7 |
| 21:45.08 | TC-Work | Is he a rare spawn? |
| 21:45.09 | Unkle | That you hadn't already found him? |
| 21:45.29 | Unkle | Yes, one of the ones for "Glorious" |
| 21:45.30 | kd3 | he's a pandarian champion. respawn time of roughly an hour |
| 21:46.05 | jleclanche | Thats not the unbelievablwe part |
| 21:46.22 | Unkle | I like how you've got "Victory in Tol Barad" as a tracked quest. |
| 21:46.42 | jleclanche | kd3: look at the minimap |
| 21:46.45 | jleclanche | the new minimap rare tracking |
| 21:46.56 | jleclanche | it doesnt actually use the npc's names |
| 21:47.04 | jleclanche | which means its a separate system from the regular tracking |
| 21:47.05 | kd3 | o_O |
| 21:47.23 | Ressy | ohh.. someone typo'd |
| 21:47.33 | jleclanche | typos are ok |
| 21:47.38 | jleclanche | not reusing the fucking system isnt |
| 21:48.05 | Unkle | Like I said to TSquared - Too many things bolted on as afterthoughts. |
| 21:48.06 | TC-Work | Nifty, just got the Godus beta key |
| 21:48.25 | jleclanche | on that thought i noticed something interesting as well |
| 21:48.40 | jleclanche | the rare tracking shows up on the minimap even if the npc is not cached yet |
| 21:48.49 | jleclanche | but ONLY if the npc is actually spawned |
| 21:49.24 | jleclanche | which means there must be a dummy tracker attached to the npcs that the character somehow has higher visibility of |
| 21:49.33 | jleclanche | i seriously hope im wrong |
| 21:49.40 | kd3 | probably a bunny? |
| 21:49.47 | kd3 | with a gigantic view radius? |
| 21:49.55 | jleclanche | yes, but why |
| 21:50.48 | jleclanche | also no it cant be a bunny |
| 21:51.14 | jleclanche | actually ill know in a min |
| 21:51.46 | jleclanche | % strings creaturecache.wdb | grep Nelash |
| 21:51.47 | jleclanche | [22:51:42] adys@azura ....local/games/Blizzard/World of Warcraft/Cache/WDB/enGB % |
| 21:54.38 | jleclanche | hmmm |
| 21:54.48 | Semlar | whatcha doin |
| 21:55.04 | jleclanche | im thinking it might be a regular map marker |
| 21:55.05 | jleclanche | like a POI |
| 21:55.14 | jleclanche | that gets attached to the npc when its spawn |
| 21:55.26 | jleclanche | and gets queried to the server when nearby |
| 21:55.27 | Semlar | i would say that is entirely accurate |
| 21:55.33 | Semlar | since they use object icons |
| 21:55.39 | jleclanche | but thats INSANE |
| 21:55.58 | kd3 | oh, OH, I see. yah, they're using the same system that's on timeless isle |
| 21:56.23 | kd3 | finally saw the skull beneath the character cursor |
| 21:56.55 | jleclanche | Vignette? |
| 21:56.57 | jleclanche | wtf are vignettes |
| 21:57.08 | kd3 | yah |
| 21:57.11 | jleclanche | % grep Nelash Vignette.db2 |
| 21:57.12 | jleclanche | Binary file Vignette.db2 matches |
| 21:57.22 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInfoFromInstanceID |
| 21:57.52 | Semlar | just so you know i basically rewrote npcscan to use this earlier |
| 21:58.06 | jleclanche | i was going to say npcscan should use this |
| 21:58.17 | Semlar | it was literally not possible to do before today |
| 21:58.24 | jleclanche | why? |
| 21:58.26 | Semlar | the information wasn't available |
| 21:58.40 | Semlar | the server wouldn't provide it for rares |
| 21:58.51 | Semlar | after a restart earlier, the api suddenly works for rares |
| 21:58.57 | Semlar | don't ask me why |
| 21:59.05 | jleclanche | you sure its not about cache being invalidated? |
| 21:59.13 | Kemayo | It works for a while, then it breaks. That's why it's still not viable as a single approach to scanning. |
| 21:59.20 | jleclanche | that sounds like cache. |
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| 21:59.41 | Semlar | well i have yet to see it fail |
| 21:59.43 | Kemayo | Well, also, it only works for some rares, whereas cache lets you target something arbitrary that you want to watch for. |
| 21:59.53 | jleclanche | Semlar: got a download? Im curious to take a look |
| 22:00.29 | Semlar | i could copy out the important part, hang on |
| 22:00.45 | Kemayo | jleclanche: It's a different failure mode from cache. Cache lets you notice the first time you ever see something. Vignettes let you notice several times, until the server decides that it doesn't like providing information any more for whatever reason. |
| 22:01.11 | Kemayo | If you're curious as to how it works, there's also a scanning implementation in http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/silver-dragon |
| 22:02.12 | Semlar | oh? |
| 22:02.25 | jleclanche | gonna give it a shot |
| 22:02.43 | Semlar | i swear the api didn't work before today because i was relying on it NOT providing information about rares to know when a rare popped up on the minimap |
| 22:02.44 | jleclanche | this explains a lot |
| 22:03.01 | jleclanche | namely why the oldworld rares arent providing the skulls |
| 22:03.11 | jleclanche | and its still fucking insane |
| 22:03.31 | jleclanche | i get the advantage for virtual objects like whatshisname's treasure cache |
| 22:03.44 | jleclanche | but why would you use this for rares |
| 22:03.55 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/PQ1SBues i had to strip some of this out but i think that's all you need |
| 22:04.05 | Semlar | to detect a skull |
| 22:04.33 | Kemayo | Semlar: Yeah, it works intermittently. I have a vague theory that the instanceids grow and grow until they pass some boundary that makes some part of the lua/c bridge vomit all over itself. |
| 22:04.35 | kd3 | I'm still shocked we got events for this |
| 22:04.36 | jleclanche | what are the id's? like 1-x or guids? |
| 22:04.44 | Kemayo | But I've not actually gathered any data to check that. |
| 22:04.54 | Semlar | the ids are crazy numbers |
| 22:04.56 | Kemayo | jleclanche: -xxxxxxxxxxxx to xxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 22:04.57 | TC-Work | tipe? |
| 22:05.04 | jleclanche | typo of type |
| 22:05.11 | TC-Work | ok, just checking |
| 22:05.21 | jleclanche | Semlar is literally worse than the people who write klass in python |
| 22:05.26 | Semlar | tipe is just the icon offset and i usually use it instead of type because of the lua function |
| 22:05.51 | jleclanche | type_ |
| 22:05.53 | TC-Work | I work with someone worse than that |
| 22:05.59 | Semlar | http://hydra-images.cursecdn.com/wowpedia.org/0/0e/OBJECTICONS.png like 41 is the skull |
| 22:06.02 | kd3 | iconOffset? |
| 22:06.04 | Kemayo | It's not even the *actual* offset in ObjectIcons, which is annoying. |
| 22:06.22 | Semlar | 42 is the "event" type of rare |
| 22:06.28 | Semlar | with the crossed swords |
| 22:06.29 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/API_Minimap_SetBlipTexture |
| 22:06.40 | Semlar | and i have no idea what the blips with spikey backgrounds are |
| 22:06.45 | Kemayo | e.g. the chest is the 43rd icon on there, but it gets returned as 40. |
| 22:06.56 | Semlar | i think it starts from -2 |
| 22:07.05 | kd3 | in an early build they distinguished regular rare mobs from elite rare mobs |
| 22:07.29 | jleclanche | <Semlar> i think it starts from -2 |
| 22:07.30 | Semlar | i spent all day running around looking for rares to test this with though |
| 22:07.33 | jleclanche | blizzard in a nutshell |
| 22:07.47 | kd3 | if you look at the map on [[Timeless Isle]], I still show the elite version for some of them |
| 22:08.09 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Timeless_Isle#Endless_Events |
| 22:08.10 | Semlar | if it does get to a point where the ids just stop working after the servers have been up for a while then the whole idea goes out the window |
| 22:08.41 | Semlar | i gotta go right now though i'll be back in a bit |
| 22:08.51 | Kemayo | Well, anecdotally, I've heard about it working on some servers at the exact same time when it's not working on others. And it does seem to work reliably everywhere after a server reset. Sooooo. |
| 22:09.18 | Semlar | it definitely worked after the servers came up earlier but i thought it was because they changed something |
| 22:09.33 | Semlar | because i was relying on it not working for rares |
| 22:09.35 | Kemayo | I've also not gone and checked whether the northrend / bc rares work for this. The old-world rares definitely don't have 'em, though. |
| 22:10.08 | jleclanche | Semlar: is there an api to list vignettes? |
| 22:10.11 | jleclanche | !api vignette |
| 22:10.12 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'vignette'. |
| 22:10.13 | Semlar | yeah |
| 22:10.18 | jleclanche | which |
| 22:10.26 | Semlar | well, there's one to return the number of them |
| 22:10.33 | Semlar | currently visible |
| 22:10.40 | jleclanche | no i mean something like |
| 22:10.45 | jleclanche | getvignetteinfo(1..x) |
| 22:11.07 | Semlar | there are like 3 vignette functions, total |
| 22:11.15 | jleclanche | and they are? |
| 22:11.21 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Patch_5.4.0/API_changes#Automated_diff |
| 22:11.24 | Semlar | i documented them at some point |
| 22:11.24 | kd3 | listed there ^ |
| 22:11.44 | jleclanche | i see |
| 22:11.57 | Semlar | C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInstanceID(i) gets you the id |
| 22:12.18 | Semlar | i gotta go though, 23 skidoo! |
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| 22:20.46 | Semlar-Laptop | alright i'm backish |
| 22:21.29 | Semlar-Laptop | so does silver dragon already use the vignettes to alert you when a rare shows up? |
| 22:26.31 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 22:26.55 | Semlar-Laptop | well den |
| 22:27.16 | Semlar-Laptop | i guess there's not really any point in messin with this any more |
| 22:27.33 | jleclanche | Kemayo: Im playing around with SilverDragon and i dont hear any alerts on rares without hovering/targeting them |
| 22:27.47 | jleclanche | Im next to ahone the wanderer |
| 22:28.21 | Semlar-Laptop | try checking if it's returning any values from the vignette function |
| 22:29.47 | jleclanche | ah |
| 22:29.47 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 22:29.53 | Semlar-Laptop | like /run print(C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInfoFromInstanceID(C_Vignettes.GetVignetteInstanceID(1))) |
| 22:29.57 | jleclanche | yep |
| 22:30.02 | jleclanche | https://mediacru.sh/vHeOZd5HKmw3 |
| 22:30.15 | jleclanche | Kemayo: ^ |
| 22:30.21 | jleclanche | note this is on EU |
| 22:31.26 | jleclanche | interesting |
| 22:31.29 | Kemayo | jleclanche: Oh, right, you need to open up the settings and click "import data". |
| 22:31.32 | jleclanche | after relogging i dont even see it on the map |
| 22:31.33 | Semlar-Laptop | okay so i guess that means it really does just randomly break |
| 22:31.53 | jleclanche | Kemayo: where in the settings? |
| 22:31.54 | Semlar-Laptop | you can't reload with a vignette in range or it won't show up until you go out of range and back |
| 22:32.11 | Kemayo | Oh, wait, that "empty result" bit would suggest that it'd be breaking regardless. |
| 22:32.26 | Kemayo | At least, for vignette purposes. |
| 22:33.12 | Kemayo | I wrote it treating vignettes like cache, where you have to know about the mob ahead of time -- because all the data you get is the mob's name. But since the mob is guaranteed to be a rare, I should relax that. |
| 22:33.42 | Kemayo | jleclanche: Open the settings, click on "mobs", and there'll be a "import" button. |
| 22:34.13 | Kemayo | Though actually, Ahone there is one of the achievement rares. That'd have been there regardless of your clicking that. |
| 22:35.10 | Semlar-Laptop | how likely would an empty return value for that ever not be a rare |
| 22:35.30 | Semlar-Laptop | because i was using that for a while to just detect if a rare was in range |
| 22:35.32 | jleclanche | Semlar-Laptop: I wonder if it breaks only for negative ids |
| 22:35.44 | Semlar-Laptop | nah negative ids can return accurate values |
| 22:36.00 | Kemayo | Semlar-Laptop: I have no data on that, unfortunately. I've not observed a chest / event icon giving an empty result... but they're also a less common type, so I've had less opportunity to see it happen. |
| 22:36.07 | Stanzilla | vignate alerting is pretty bad atm |
| 22:36.19 | Stanzilla | I always have to mouseover to get the targetting frame and sound |
| 22:37.10 | Kemayo | I'm prepared to admit that I stopped polishing it when I realized how unreliable it was. |
| 22:37.30 | jleclanche | Semlar-Laptop: did you try removing Vignette.adb? |
| 22:37.30 | Semlar-Laptop | don't let that stop you |
| 22:37.41 | jleclanche | or Kemayo |
| 22:37.58 | Semlar-Laptop | you mean as a way to clear the cache? |
| 22:38.01 | jleclanche | yes |
| 22:38.03 | Kemayo | Yeah, I plan on improving it. |
| 22:38.13 | Semlar-Laptop | i have not |
| 22:38.17 | jleclanche | Cache/ADB/Vignette.adb |
| 22:38.18 | jleclanche | let me try |
| 22:38.25 | Kemayo | I've not tried removing that once the "not working" problem starts, I will admit. |
| 22:39.21 | jleclanche | testing it now |
| 22:41.36 | Semlar-Laptop | they were really annoying to test because you had to keep running out of range of the icon and back to get it to show up again |
| 22:41.52 | jleclanche | yep... |
| 22:42.38 | Semlar-Laptop | i just did most of it without reloading |
| 22:42.47 | Kemayo | At least there's that treasure-cache guy who's always up. Otherwise it'd be running off and finding a new rare every time. |
| 22:42.57 | jleclanche | still getting an empty result.. |
| 22:43.34 | jleclanche | also Kemayo oddly at this point im not getting alerts when coming near the rare |
| 22:43.40 | jleclanche | doesnt it do cache scanning? |
| 22:44.03 | Kemayo | jleclanche: Did you do that "import data" step? |
| 22:44.11 | jleclanche | i still dont know where that is |
| 22:44.19 | Kemayo | I did tell you earlier. |
| 22:44.27 | jleclanche | im prolly blindsec |
| 22:44.35 | jleclanche | i am |
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| 22:45.35 | jleclanche | Kemayo: even after rm -rf Cache the issue is still there |
| 22:45.38 | jleclanche | so looks like thats not it |
| 22:45.57 | Kemayo | Alas. |
| 22:46.34 | jleclanche | tried different servers? |
| 22:46.38 | jleclanche | see if its the game or the server |
| 22:47.39 | Kemayo | I've not personally tried different servers. However, I've talked to someone on a different server who was seeing the problem, at the same time as it was working for me. |
| 22:48.09 | Semlar-Laptop | if it pops up when you mouse over it, it should be in the list of mobs it's scanning for |
| 22:50.35 | Kemayo | Semlar-Laptop: Alas, not really. It'll alert when it knows something is a rare... and when you mouse over it, it can actually check that. Whereas it can only scan the cache for stuff it knows about in advance. |
| 22:51.29 | Semlar-Laptop | it should be entered though after he detected it once right |
| 22:52.11 | Kemayo | Yeah. |
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| 22:54.19 | Semlar-Laptop | were you the one trying to figure out how to calculate the map coordinates from the vignettes on the ptr? |
| 22:55.14 | Kemayo | Semlar-Laptop: I was, yes. |
| 22:55.46 | Semlar-Laptop | did you ever figure it out |
| 22:56.45 | Semlar-Laptop | i had given up trying to get an accurate value for different resolutions |
| 22:57.12 | Kemayo | Alas, no. I got distracted when I realized how unreliable it actually working was. |
| 22:57.26 | jleclanche | Kemayo: you the author of silverdragon right? |
| 22:57.33 | jleclanche | disabling boss / mount sounds doesnt seem to work |
| 23:00.19 | Semlar-Laptop | i was discouraged after it looked like you couldn't get values for rares |
| 23:00.30 | Semlar-Laptop | but now i'm not so sure |
| 23:05.01 | Kemayo | jleclanche: There you go, fixed that. |
| 23:05.56 | Semlar-Laptop | i have a method for pulling the name out of the minimap even if it's not being provided by the api function, but it would be useless without a database of rares |
| 23:06.22 | Kemayo | I happen to have a ridiculously complete database of rares. |
| 23:07.12 | Semlar-Laptop | i might have a way for you to still use vignettes then even if they aren't returning any info |
| 23:07.57 | Semlar-Laptop | after i get home i could dig up that script |
| 23:09.28 | Semlar-Laptop | well, granted the names would have to match |
| 23:09.45 | Semlar-Laptop | >_> |
| 23:09.55 | Kemayo | I'd be interested. |
| 23:10.26 | Kemayo | The names probably match. Though it's possibly not guaranteed, even assuming the same locale. |
| 23:10.42 | Semlar-Laptop | should work most of the time |
| 23:10.57 | Semlar-Laptop | apparently not always |
| 23:11.34 | Kemayo | My database stuff winds up always knowing the english name of the mob, and switches to knowing the current-locale name of the mob as soon as it's in the cache. |
| 23:12.01 | Kemayo | I don't think I've seen a skull vignette that doesn't match the actual name of the mob yet, but who knows... |
| 23:12.17 | Semlar-Laptop | jleclanche i think posted a screenshot a little bit ago where the name had a typo in it |
| 23:12.24 | Kemayo | Ah, lovely. |
| 23:12.28 | Semlar-Laptop | yeah.. |
| 23:12.38 | Kemayo | Still, better than nothing. |
| 23:13.06 | Kemayo | Anyway, I have to head out now. We can work out something later when you're home, presumably. :D |
| 23:13.25 | Semlar-Laptop | yeah i'll try and put something together you can make use of |
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