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| 00:07.44 | Neffi | I would've done unit:gsub('%(%*%)'):trim() |
| 00:07.59 | Neffi | Err, add in the `,""` |
| 00:08.12 | Neffi | Just on the off chance that extra spaces ever end up in there |
| 00:08.51 | Neffi | But the system is inherently succeptible to collisions, so I wouldn't stay hopeful about it |
| 00:09.14 | Neffi | Maybe their best bet is to pull more data off the nameplates in hopes of more points of data to reference when matching things up, but that his issues all its own |
| 00:09.27 | Neffi | Plus, it still has a decent likelihood of collision |
| 00:09.56 | Neffi | I mean, two people level 90 can definitely have the same name for instance, so the extra data point of level becomes meaningless (especially since level can change over time) |
| 00:11.10 | Neffi | I would probably do enemy class matching explicitly by scraping the nameplate coloring system the default UI provides, and then track it on friendly units in a more restrictive way |
| 00:12.12 | Neffi | Want the extra data? Mouse over the nameplate itself. Its OnEnter captures data from the mouseover unit, and then stores a reference to the unitGUID in the nameplate itself for further information -- deleting that reference in both OnShow and OnHide, so when the unit changes the nameplate data needs to be recollected |
| 00:12.57 | Neffi | It may suck, but like I said no data can be better than bad data, and I'd rather an explicit way to force good data to appear than depend on bad data -- or not know which is bad and which is good |
| 00:13.11 | Neffi | So some nameplates wont show any useful shit until you mouse over them, but that's ok |
| 00:15.02 | Neffi | The upside to this system is, even though you don't always know the data, when you do know it you have the GUID too. So things like displaying auras and info from CLEU becomes not only easier, but more accurate |
| 00:16.43 | Clamsoda | Woah, just tabbed into IRC and you posted a wall =O!! |
| 00:16.47 | Clamsoda | Let me read over this. |
| 00:17.55 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:18.06 | Neffi | Was gonna ping you, but figured you'd see it when you had the time |
| 00:18.13 | Clamsoda | Well, it doesn't handle enemy name plates at all, it lets Blizzard do that. |
| 00:18.23 | Clamsoda | Coloring that is*. |
| 00:18.38 | Neffi | All this talk and helping a couple people out with code is making me wanna play WoW again |
| 00:18.39 | Neffi | =( |
| 00:19.04 | TC-Work | So go play wow |
| 00:19.17 | Clamsoda | I have to assume that Danltiger has taken a lot of that into consideration, but I do know the name reference has no realm token, so the possibility for collision does exist. |
| 00:19.57 | Neffi | I literally can't afford the $15 a month, TC |
| 00:20.22 | Neffi | And even still, last time I subbed I didn't play the full month. All my friends quit. Playing alone is boring. |
| 00:20.40 | TC-Work | Well, I find I prefer questing alone. |
| 00:21.04 | Clamsoda | Admittedly though, I am not 100% on how Tidy Plates handles everything. I do know that it caches Name = ["CLASS"] tokens into the Saved Variables, so I have to assume that is the depth of uniqueness. |
| 00:21.16 | Neffi | I don't know if I wanna spend what would be the little food money I have on a game I might not play |
| 00:21.58 | Neffi | If the saved variables is doing that kind of caching and you don't see realm data, you can generally assume it's not collecting realm data |
| 00:22.13 | jleclanche | anyone wants a free HIB9 with no steam keys? |
| 00:22.21 | Neffi | Mostly because I don't believe it's possible to do so until the nameplate is moused over. The plate itself doesn't provde any realm indication. |
| 00:23.25 | Neffi | Actually if the nameplate doesn't have a "(*)" on it, you can guarantee no collision by making sure what class data you DO collect is from units on your own realm |
| 00:23.46 | Neffi | But for any plate with "(*)" on it, you'd have to still display no data until it's moused over |
| 00:23.48 | jleclanche | kd3, Arrowmaster? |
| 00:23.56 | Neffi | Maybe patch TidyPlates to take that into account |
| 00:24.49 | Neffi | Also Sir Clam III, have you taken any of this up with the author of TP? |
| 00:27.57 | Clamsoda | I did make a most on TidyPlate's forum and got a response, Danltiger is looking into applying my solution; I made a followup describing the data collision. We'll see what he says. |
| 00:28.01 | Clamsoda | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tidy-plates/forum/comments/57673-class-color-function-not-working-for-coalesced-realms/#p4 |
| 00:28.24 | Neffi | Maybe pastebin this discussion and post it too |
| 00:28.43 | Neffi | Your avatar is a cat cloud? |
| 00:28.49 | Clamsoda | That's the default. |
| 00:29.07 | Neffi | You could've just earned some serious street cred bro |
| 00:29.14 | Clamsoda | The only reason I made a curseforge account was to get help with Tidy Plates, considering I have my own theme. |
| 00:29.23 | Clamsoda | Lol, I have enough WoW cred, that's all I need ;]. |
| 00:30.01 | Neffi | Well time for a smoke break |
| 00:30.05 | Arrowmaster | jleclanche: already bought it |
| 00:30.24 | Neffi | Like I said, this conversation might give him some ideas to chew on. I'd pastebin it and give him a link. |
| 00:30.31 | Clamsoda | Sounds good ^-^ |
| 00:38.58 | Neffi | http://blog.trendmicro.com/java-security-situation-quietly-got-much-worse/?sf17098354=1 |
| 00:39.02 | Neffi | A good read |
| 00:39.14 | Neffi | I haven't trusted Java for a while and this saddens me. |
| 00:39.42 | Neffi | Obviously always run the latest updates, but this only adds to the numerous flaws that are coming out on such a regular basis. |
| 00:40.40 | Clamsoda | Yeah, I try to avoid Java like the plague =/. |
| 00:40.44 | Clamsoda | Minecraft is all it is good for. |
| 00:41.04 | Clamsoda | Luckily I run a 64bit version that Chrome can't use, and I disable the in-browser one. |
| 00:41.05 | Neffi | I went without installing it for the longest time |
| 00:41.31 | Neffi | I only run it now because ASIS (Skyrim mod) requires it for the bashed-style patcher that allows it to automatically support other mods |
| 00:41.41 | Clamsoda | Ahh. |
| 00:41.54 | Clamsoda | Yeah, I only install it when I want to play Minecraft on a fresh computer. |
| 00:42.02 | Clamsoda | If I haven't played MC since a reformat, Java isn't on it. |
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| 00:42.23 | Neffi | I was thinking of rewriting some of the code (the underlying tool it uses to create the bashed patch?) in Lua, so I can maybe rewrite the whole patcher in Lua and convince others to do the same with their patchers |
| 00:43.00 | Neffi | But I figure by the time I did that I wouldnt be playing Skyrim anymore anyway |
| 00:43.25 | Clamsoda | Yeah =[ |
| 00:44.21 | Neffi | I'd like to see Lua be more used for these types of things, but at least use Python. I can't be the only one that hates using Java. |
| 00:45.11 | Clamsoda | You aren't. Java is archaic. I can't stand the syntax. |
| 00:45.27 | Clamsoda | Lua and Python are the main contenders for such applications anyhow. |
| 00:45.38 | Neffi | what.is.wrong.with.this.syntax? |
| 00:45.42 | Neffi | =P |
| 00:46.05 | Neffi | Lots of things bug me about Java code. I probably won't ever bother learning it. |
| 00:46.11 | Neffi | I'd rather use Lua and Python |
| 00:46.15 | Clamsoda | Agreed. |
| 00:46.45 | Clamsoda | I think Lua and Python have a good harmony. I read an article about which was better; and admittedly each seems to have a good niche. |
| 00:46.57 | Neffi | They each have their uses |
| 00:47.02 | Clamsoda | Exactly. |
| 00:47.17 | Neffi | It's not fair to call one better or the other. The whole idea that there's one go-to language for all ideals is ridiculous. |
| 00:47.35 | Clamsoda | Right. |
| 00:47.52 | Neffi | But I am hopeful that one day Lua will have even half the wealth of libraries that Python enjoys, making it a strong contender for application programming. |
| 00:48.19 | Neffi | They're already interested in incorporating some extra features to enhance it viability in that realm |
| 00:48.33 | Clamsoda | I am so spoiled by Lua. It doesn't require strict delimiters and stuff. Makes coding...more about coding lol |
| 00:48.51 | Neffi | But unless it has a wealth of libraries like Python, it'll never be the go-to language for quick and easy application development |
| 00:48.58 | Neffi | Yes I love Lua |
| 00:49.35 | Clamsoda | (Also, what WPM do you type at?) |
| 00:49.50 | Neffi | No idea |
| 00:50.08 | Neffi | I move my computer around a lot, so that all depends on how I'm sitting/laying |
| 00:50.34 | Clamsoda | Gotcha. |
| 00:53.35 | kd3 | ...wow: Fixed an issue where the Healer Proving Grounds had a chance to cause the realm to crash. |
| 00:54.23 | kd3 | Esamynn|work: pong, if you're still at work |
| 00:59.24 | Dagmar | So I was wondering... If you take ten resto druids into the new raid system, what happens? |
| 00:59.33 | Dagmar | You do battle against a bunch of sleepy kittens? |
| 01:01.52 | Neffi | It splits up the raid and converts it into a BG |
| 01:02.08 | Neffi | The main objective is to collect all of the kittens into your team's barrel |
| 01:03.35 | Dagmar | I was thinking maybe for phases they could get frisky and start kicking with their feet and knocking things over |
| 01:04.09 | Dagmar | <DBM> Patches is feeling frisky! Hide your arms! |
| 01:04.31 | Dagmar | You get five minutes to soothe them back to sleep |
| 01:05.00 | xyphoid | does soothe beast still exist? |
| 01:06.23 | Dagmar | I sort of doubt it. I can't recall using it in years and I was playing a lot of the "What's this button do?" game last night |
| 01:06.46 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Soothe |
| 01:06.48 | Neffi | which soothe beast? |
| 01:06.56 | Neffi | I believe druids still have it, but I can be mistaken. |
| 01:06.58 | Neffi | Or was it hunters? |
| 01:07.15 | xyphoid | hunters had scare didn't they? |
| 01:07.17 | xyphoid | i am so behind |
| 01:07.27 | Dagmar | Yeah hunters had a scare beast thing |
| 01:09.05 | Neffi | I believe at a time they also had a spell to calm/make docile |
| 01:09.21 | Neffi | But I havent played hunter since vanilla and shortly in BC |
| 01:09.36 | Dagmar | Yeah I vaguely remember something like that but it's been so long since i've seen it I've no idea for sure |
| 01:09.59 | Dagmar | I only sort of abstractly remember them threatening that our pets could turn on us |
| 01:12.41 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:12.52 | Neffi | Hunters were so poorly conceived for a while |
| 01:13.04 | Neffi | It took several revamps of the class before they even made sense, let alone made ideal |
| 01:13.55 | Dagmar | I feel like someone needs to go up and remind them "Hey umm... rogue killers, remember?" |
| 01:14.01 | Neffi | I still hate that we never got the ranger class. Nimble/agile archer+onehanded sneakish classes are the best. No damned pets to manage. |
| 01:14.22 | Neffi | I feel like the whole PvP spectrum got bad lately |
| 01:14.39 | Neffi | Sure, balance actually wasn't too bad last I played. (Even though a lot still needed to be done.) |
| 01:14.56 | Neffi | But the old concept of counterclasses, counter-mechanics and all that shit is horrid now |
| 01:15.20 | Neffi | Most of the core counters are totally gone or diminished horribly, and the ones that still exist are too steep and upfront |
| 01:15.50 | Neffi | The PvP spectrum has been going in a bad direction IMO. In fact I'd argue that for the whole game. |
| 01:16.10 | Neffi | I can't see WoW existing more than 1-2 more expansions |
| 01:16.19 | Neffi | And that's until total collapse in my eyes |
| 01:16.26 | jleclanche | heh |
| 01:16.30 | jleclanche | Message: integer overflow attempting to store 1.8e+030 |
| 01:16.40 | jleclanche | when filtering the tradeskill ui. nice |
| 01:18.01 | Neffi | How'd you manage that? |
| 01:26.37 | pompy | Stanzilla: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151658447012705&set=a.10150170632837705.289106.168295667704&type=1 there we go |
| 01:31.40 | kd3 | spoiler for the new warchief if you haven't heard: http://wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Horde&diff=3227392&oldid=3209506 |
| 01:31.56 | Dagmar | I hope it's the rasta |
| 01:37.06 | Neffi | Why the hell does Belethor always die? |
| 01:37.08 | Neffi | Asshole |
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| 01:58.31 | Primer | Weird...my WoW here at work, running under Wine on Linux, whose Interface/Addons and WTF are rsync'd from my machine at home (and file perms fixed) can't find Astrolabe |
| 01:59.12 | Primer | I mean, my addon can't find it |
| 01:59.19 | Primer | hrmm |
| 01:59.30 | Primer | actually, my addons are excluded from the rsync |
| 02:00.05 | Primer | nm |
| 02:01.13 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDAw7vW7H0c |
| 02:01.19 | airtonix | think i do want |
| 02:17.39 | jleclanche | So, nobody wants a free HIB9? (no steam keys) |
| 02:18.24 | Arrowmaster | i already bought it and BTA |
| 02:18.49 | jleclanche | also with all that i have an extra FTL steamkey |
| 02:23.11 | jleclanche | I've slowly been transitioning to Linux-only gaming, because the whole reboot-into-Windows just to play is a pretty steep bar. (Steeper than it even sounds in practice, as now, basically, every time I boot into Windows I have to spend about 10 minutes updating the damn thing, because I don't do it often enough; this has become a vicious cycle.) |
| 02:23.13 | jleclanche | haha |
| 02:25.14 | Arrowmaster | exactly why ive never tried dualbooting |
| 02:25.54 | airtonix | only game i want to play that might require windows is Just cause 2... if ony for the massive map |
| 02:26.08 | airtonix | but i can wait 40 years |
| 02:26.10 | kd3 | last time I booted into windows was for bioshock infinite |
| 02:26.14 | airtonix | when wine gets directx10 |
| 02:26.44 | jleclanche | Wine should get dx10 some time next year |
| 02:27.10 | jleclanche | Im pushing really hard for CIG to throw money at DX10 and DX11 development on wine |
| 02:27.11 | airtonix | eh think i might just live vicariously through a just cause 2 lets play video |
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| 04:49.37 | Fisker | classic cat |
| 04:49.44 | Fisker | wants to come in |
| 04:49.48 | Fisker | I let it in |
| 04:49.57 | Fisker | proceeds to knock something on the ground |
| 04:50.10 | Fisker | "I'll chase the perpetrator sir" |
| 04:50.12 | Fisker | *runs out* |
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| 05:15.51 | Clamsoda | I am tearing my fucking hair out over how hard it is to ascertain UnitAura information on non-unitID units lol. |
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| 05:26.16 | Fisker | 22 days tharper_ : |
| 05:26.21 | tharper_ | ooooooooh |
| 05:26.23 | Fisker | :P |
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| 06:14.21 | Coote | hi hi |
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| 06:25.30 | Clamsoda | Hi. |
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| 06:32.19 | nicoli_s | Stanzilla: cool stuff incoming |
| 06:33.36 | Fisker | :3? |
| 06:37.34 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:54.16 | Fisker | traps nicoli_s and starts waterboarding him |
| 07:00.36 | bluspacecow | motorboat ? |
| 07:05.16 | Fisker | totally |
| 07:13.59 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 07:14.07 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/matt.d.buono/posts/10100173818942638 |
| 07:14.10 | Shirik | so awesome |
| 07:15.13 | Fisker | starts with https then proceeds to add facebook |
| 07:15.22 | Fisker | how can those 2 especially when combined be awesome? :( |
| 07:15.30 | Shirik | it's so the NSA knows to check it |
| 07:15.39 | Shirik | they wouldn't check something that's not encrypted |
| 07:15.59 | Fisker | next-gen encryption, not using any |
| 07:16.19 | Fisker | Anyway what does it say Shirik ? :( |
| 07:16.24 | Shirik | click it? |
| 07:16.30 | Fisker | requires facebook |
| 07:16.38 | Shirik | http://www.twitch.tv/shirikii/c/2916608 |
| 07:17.02 | Fisker | this gonna be gud |
| 07:17.09 | Shirik | you have to play lol to understand |
| 07:17.24 | Fisker | this is over rdp with no audio and i never played lol |
| 07:17.41 | Shirik | it has audio |
| 07:18.03 | Fisker | yeah |
| 07:18.07 | Fisker | but my rdp connection doesn't |
| 07:18.19 | Fisker | all i saw was you owning dudes |
| 07:18.57 | Shirik | with the audio it makes a lot more sense |
| 07:19.21 | Shirik | we coordinate exactly when I respawn, other guy groups them all up and dishes out some aoe damage, and then I just charge through the line to nuke them down while I'm going by |
| 07:19.23 | Fisker | i don't even like card games |
| 07:19.28 | Fisker | but now i'm playing hs over rdp :( |
| 07:21.16 | Fisker | do you play lol a lot Shirik ? |
| 07:21.21 | Shirik | a bit |
| 07:22.11 | Fisker | Friends only or public games? |
| 07:22.42 | Shirik | I don't solo queue |
| 07:22.48 | Shirik | but we typically have a few fillers |
| 07:25.00 | Fisker | ok |
| 07:25.26 | Fisker | I've had a hard time playing it outside lans because it's usually such an elitist genre :P |
| 07:26.29 | Shirik | yeah there is quite a lot of rage |
| 07:27.29 | nevcairiel | i play dota2 occasionally, but never solo either because it just plain sucks to solo |
| 07:27.34 | nevcairiel | the genre is hardcore :p |
| 07:30.08 | Dagmar | On the flipside, you get to meet so many pleasant people |
| 07:31.05 | Dagmar | ...although LoL seems a lot worse. The good news is that if they ever have a convention, we can glue the doors shut and set the whole place on fire. |
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| 07:32.56 | Fisker | i should work instead of playing hearthstone over rdp at work |
| 07:33.04 | nevcairiel | work is overrated |
| 07:34.37 | Fisker | yeah |
| 07:34.52 | Fisker | good to have something to get paid for though :D |
| 07:35.02 | nevcairiel | even more so if you've already quite the job in question and just have to serve out your remaining days |
| 07:35.11 | nevcairiel | s/quite/quit/ |
| 07:35.20 | Fisker | you done in the nuclear reactor business? |
| 07:35.27 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 07:35.30 | Fisker | :o |
| 07:35.33 | Fisker | what now then? |
| 07:36.36 | rid_ | hugs Fisker |
| 07:36.49 | Fisker | hey rid_ |
| 07:37.42 | nevcairiel | i'll be working in multimedia in teh future |
| 07:38.20 | nevcairiel | video playback etc |
| 07:38.42 | Fisker | related to mpc-hq or ? |
| 07:39.01 | Fisker | or was it hc? |
| 07:39.02 | nevcairiel | no, a commercial player |
| 07:39.04 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 07:39.05 | nevcairiel | and its hc |
| 07:39.14 | Fisker | still in germany? |
| 07:39.24 | nevcairiel | company is US, but i'll stay in germany |
| 07:39.30 | Fisker | cool |
| 07:44.19 | Fisker | Is the entire connection in teamviewer going through the teamviewer servers? |
| 07:46.54 | rid_ | you like that Fisker ? http://i.minus.com/ibcNztcxL46glC.gif |
| 07:58.10 | Primer | yay, hit roll for bonus loot on Ordos and DC'd... |
| 08:06.36 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/iCz9Qe8.png <- hahah |
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| 08:12.49 | Shirik | wtf |
| 08:12.57 | Shirik | Neffi that's the third time someone's linked that on IRC |
| 08:13.03 | Shirik | in completely unrelated channels |
| 08:13.17 | Neffi | Join a new channel and make it the 4th |
| 08:13.20 | Shirik | must be trending on reddit |
| 08:13.26 | Neffi | maybe |
| 08:13.30 | Neffi | i dont go to reddit |
| 08:13.39 | Shirik | how did you get it :P |
| 08:14.30 | Neffi | imgur |
| 08:14.32 | Neffi | lo |
| 08:16.54 | Shirik | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/pope-francis-atheists-abide-consciences |
| 08:17.39 | nevcairiel | imgur is reddit for people that dont like reading |
| 08:19.03 | Neffi | I just like to see humorous pictures. |
| 08:19.33 | Neffi | Shirik: If God's mercy "has no limits", wouldn't it be impossible to not get into heaven? |
| 08:20.04 | Neffi | I think we need to teach the Pope about limits |
| 08:20.05 | nevcairiel | you still have to accept his mercy, if you're stubborn and don't, you get thrown out :p |
| 08:20.33 | Neffi | Thrown out? I thought achieving immortality was harder than that |
| 08:20.39 | nevcairiel | also, why do popes always look so creepy |
| 08:20.58 | Dagmar | While one might "achieve" it. Immortality is technically unprovable. |
| 08:21.20 | nevcairiel | are you really immortal if you already died? :P |
| 08:21.35 | Neffi | I would argue not Dagmar |
| 08:21.38 | zenzio | don't they tend to speak of the immortal soul? |
| 08:21.53 | zenzio | your body obviously dies |
| 08:22.06 | Neffi | If it can be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the body has stopped aging and its metabolic and regeneration systems will sustain themselves indefinitely, then immortality has been shown |
| 08:22.15 | Neffi | Dying by a bullet doesn't make you not immortal |
| 08:22.34 | nevcairiel | how do you know it wont resume aging in a million years? |
| 08:22.47 | Dagmar | No that would just mean you're liekly to be incredibly long-lived. |
| 08:23.03 | zenzio | fighting entropy is typically a battle you lose |
| 08:23.06 | Dagmar | Good luck getting anyone to believe you're actually 564 |
| 08:23.13 | Dagmar | zenzio: yeah |
| 08:23.18 | Neffi | The same way you "know" that all evidence of past evolution wasn't cleverly placed just right by angels to veer you off track |
| 08:23.53 | Neffi | I'd never want somebody to know I've outlived their great-great grandparents. You don't want that kind of attention. |
| 08:24.13 | Dagmar | People typically get assigned numbers for that |
| 08:24.13 | Neffi | I mean, it'd be awkward when you end up in an asylum indefinitely |
| 08:24.16 | Dagmar | Very low numbers. |
| 08:24.29 | Dagmar | "Good morning subject 3. How are we feeling today?" |
| 08:24.47 | Neffi | "Just as young as yesterday, why thank you" |
| 08:24.57 | zenzio | that's how it starts out, then it's just "47, this is Diana. We have a new contract for you" |
| 08:25.27 | Neffi | I imagine when they realized you weren't bullshitting, your fate would involve lots of experimentation |
| 08:25.46 | Dagmar | Your best bet would be to claim you're also the Dread Pirate Roberts |
| 08:25.57 | Neffi | I'd claim I was Jesus |
| 08:26.00 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKqJccK_EkM&feature=player_embedded#t=39 |
| 08:26.07 | nevcairiel | Neffi: much too high profile |
| 08:26.23 | Neffi | Well if the truth came out, I might as well have some fun with it |
| 08:26.43 | nevcairiel | remember that you can actually die |
| 08:26.51 | Neffi | Oh right |
| 08:27.27 | Neffi | More likely I'd live over and over again in ordinary lives, mastering tons of fields of knowledge and contributing a whole lot back |
| 08:27.40 | nevcairiel | you're not captain jack harkness who just gets resurrected over and over again :p |
| 08:28.19 | airtonix | Neffi: what kind of attention is it that you're trying to avoid? |
| 08:28.37 | Neffi | "remember that you can actually die" |
| 08:28.51 | Neffi | If it was realized you were immortal, you'd either end up being experimented on or killed |
| 08:30.47 | zenzio | I don't think immortality would be very enticing in the long run. Perhaps a couple hundred years, but I would imagine you just get mentally weary eventually |
| 08:31.59 | Neffi | I think I'd make it to 1000 before I end it |
| 08:32.09 | Dagmar | I would parallelize |
| 08:32.13 | Neffi | Maybe more, but definitely not too far |
| 08:32.40 | Neffi | How does one parallelize their life? Only walk parallel to other people? |
| 08:33.04 | zenzio | without knowing more it's difficult to say, but some form of transcendence seems more interesting to me than immortality (though I guess exactly what "transcendence" could mean is also a matter of discussion) |
| 08:33.11 | Dagmar | Doing that woudl allow me to selectively edit my conciousness stream by deinstantating copies that were too old and jaded and retaining sort of a skipping trail through time |
| 08:33.35 | Dagmar | You don't think I'd spend 1000 years walking around in a _meat suit_ do you? |
| 08:33.50 | Neffi | Why not? |
| 08:33.51 | zenzio | must not make Lady Gaga joke... |
| 08:33.54 | Dagmar | If I have to watch the universe burn down to a cinder, I'm game. |
| 08:34.09 | Dagmar | zenzio: heh |
| 08:34.21 | Dagmar | Neefi: Meat is slow. Inefficient. Fragile. |
| 08:34.46 | Neffi | I think it would be pretty awesome to see the rise and fall of entire civilizations. To be the world's greatest historian. To experience the progression of science and philosophy and have time to master every field of knowledge you could wish to. |
| 08:35.21 | Neffi | And then when it all goes to hell, spend a few decades helping the few survivors rebuild the world, convince them you're god, and off yourself spectacularly |
| 08:35.38 | Dagmar | Give humanity 1,000 years and they'll have sorted out the medical industry a bit, and the average person would probably be about 7 feet tall, willowy, able to life three times their weight, and go all day after eating one twinkie, or just photosynthesize if they didn't feel like hunting down a twinkie. |
| 08:35.44 | Dagmar | How would you feel in *this* body, then? |
| 08:36.03 | Neffi | In a thousand years? That's laughable |
| 08:36.13 | Dagmar | How would you be able to resist the temptation to walk up to people and say "Arf! arf! Me like fire!" |
| 08:36.18 | Neffi | People thought we would have flying cars.. like 2 decades ago |
| 08:36.30 | Dagmar | You ever seen a piper up close? |
| 08:36.38 | Neffi | Technological advancement is hugely quick in the short term, but is much slower in the long term than people expect it to be. |
| 08:36.43 | Dagmar | That shit's a volkswagon with wings on top |
| 08:36.49 | Coote | 1000 years? I bet we'll be extinct by then. |
| 08:37.09 | Neffi | I don't think we'll ever be extinct. We're too smart and adaptable. |
| 08:37.10 | airtonix | Dagmar: have you ever read a book called the 1000 year war? or was it millenium soldier? |
| 08:37.16 | Dagmar | Probably |
| 08:37.20 | Dagmar | I've read thousands of sci fi books |
| 08:37.26 | Coote | Smart? More like cockroaches, I'd say. |
| 08:37.28 | Neffi | But I think we will have many, many times when the population is reduced to a few hundred or thousand |
| 08:37.28 | airtonix | guy lives for a thousand years because relativity |
| 08:38.05 | airtonix | ah |
| 08:38.07 | Neffi | I think the only way we're likely to be wiped out is if a mass extinction event occurs before we colonize another celestial body |
| 08:38.08 | airtonix | the forever war |
| 08:38.23 | airtonix | Dagmar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War |
| 08:38.42 | Dagmar | OKay, I thought that was Haldeman |
| 08:38.44 | Dagmar | Yeah I've read it |
| 08:38.45 | zenzio | airtonix: that sounds interesting |
| 08:38.52 | Neffi | They fight cow people? |
| 08:38.57 | airtonix | yeah |
| 08:39.24 | airtonix | personally i found the culture shock more interesting |
| 08:40.32 | Dagmar | Society can go through a lot of changes in 1,000 years. |
| 08:40.42 | airtonix | i also really like starship troopers by heinlien |
| 08:41.26 | airtonix | ridley scott wants to make a movie about the forever war |
| 08:41.37 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/dOURwwN i love this gif |
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| 09:27.04 | airtonix | lawl |
| 09:28.02 | airtonix | is that how boobs work? |
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| 09:38.09 | zenzio | that's an interesting question |
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| 10:10.28 | tekkubby | I alsways thought this was how boobs worked: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8p148reJb1ryka1ao1_400.gif |
| 10:11.06 | Fisker | nah, but maybe she had something between her boobs that caused it |
| 10:11.31 | Fisker | though that is an awkward angle for that |
| 10:12.17 | airtonix | maybe it has something to do with magnets |
| 10:15.01 | tekkubby | all I know is, that's why they scare me |
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| 10:21.13 | Fisker | and my cats |
| 10:22.21 | airtonix | you don't have cats |
| 10:22.34 | airtonix | cat's can't survive in jars |
| 10:22.45 | airtonix | actually |
| 10:22.52 | airtonix | i don't know what to believe |
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| 10:24.22 | airtonix | http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Cat+climbs+into+fish+bowl_805b62_4273591.gif |
| 10:24.34 | bluspacecow | y? |
| 10:24.45 | airtonix | for science! |
| 10:25.15 | bluspacecow | i like how the other cats were like "wtf man" |
| 10:25.31 | airtonix | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzwscur5Bm1rp2ctmo1_500.jpg |
| 10:25.49 | bluspacecow | an application of the "if I fits I sits" rule for cats |
| 10:28.16 | Fisker | doesn't matter if it fits |
| 10:28.22 | airtonix | do you guys think making appointments is annoying? |
| 10:30.12 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 10:30.42 | bluspacecow | appointments in general or having to make them and try to predict what you'll be doing and a suitable time/place for the appt ? |
| 10:31.35 | airtonix | the act of making them... and the problem that you can't make them when the shop is closed (past 5pm) |
| 10:32.11 | bluspacecow | a little |
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| 10:39.55 | nevcairiel | calling during work hours just to make a quick appointment usually isnt something i had problems with |
| 10:40.52 | Fisker | appointments suck |
| 10:41.15 | Fisker | but only because we have a shitty manager |
| 10:42.04 | bluspacecow | your in sanitation ? |
| 10:42.43 | Fisker | nope |
| 10:43.38 | airtonix | he's in continance |
| 10:43.45 | airtonix | hur dur |
| 11:38.27 | zenzio | airtonix: 5pm is a luxury compared to doctors offices that are only open to 3pm |
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| 11:40.05 | airtonix | so yes? it's annoying? |
| 11:41.14 | nevcairiel | even worse are government things |
| 11:41.17 | zenzio | I hate making appointments no matter what :-p |
| 11:41.42 | airtonix | this is good to know |
| 11:41.51 | nevcairiel | although they seem to have shifted, our version of the DMV opens at 7am these days, so you can go there before work even :p |
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| 11:52.43 | airtonix | hey bluspacecowfisker |
| 11:52.46 | airtonix | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb3bazXbSF1robh3mo1_500.gif |
| 11:53.11 | airtonix | awesome water dodge |
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| 12:01.04 | zenzio | talking to Brits on voice chat can be so much fun. We were discussing how World of Tanks (re)introduced national voiceovers (ie. German tanks get German voices, Russians get Russian, ...). The British tank line however is stuck with the American voiceover |
| 12:01.24 | airtonix | ha! |
| 12:01.33 | zenzio | so obviously the discussion turned into how it would be in English. Every non-Brit came with suggestions like "I say lads, we appear to have struck them" |
| 12:01.48 | zenzio | cue "Does everyone really think that's how we speak?" |
| 12:01.56 | Humbedooh | yes! |
| 12:01.59 | airtonix | tally ho chaps! |
| 12:02.06 | zenzio | Humbedooh: that's what we said too =D |
| 12:02.27 | airtonix | spiffing jab there humphrey! |
| 12:03.05 | zenzio | Oyh guv'nor, our tracks were put out of service" |
| 12:15.14 | karl_w_w | omg airtonix |
| 12:15.20 | karl_w_w | is it really you? |
| 12:17.33 | airtonix | indeed |
| 12:17.38 | airtonix | also: http://www.sciencefriday.com/video/08/05/2011/where-s-the-octopus.html |
| 12:17.45 | airtonix | inb4old |
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| 12:30.29 | karl_w_w | so old |
| 12:30.46 | karl_w_w | that's like the first ever video |
| 12:44.01 | karl_w_w | can you do flex raids multiple times per week? |
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| 12:52.35 | Fisker | hah |
| 12:52.46 | Fisker | only in a poll about the iphone is the following an option: |
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| 12:53.16 | Fisker | Poll: are you buying the new iPhone 5s or iPhone 5c? I will, but I'm still deciding. |
| 12:53.19 | Fisker | :D |
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| 13:08.59 | VIad | I got a pen from NationalPen in the mailbox - weird |
| 13:09.07 | VIad | it was shipped from the US |
| 13:09.18 | Humbedooh | not from Penisland? |
| 13:09.24 | VIad | sadly not penisland |
| 13:09.28 | Humbedooh | :/ |
| 13:09.40 | VIad | BUT the pen has my name engraved into it hehe |
| 13:09.49 | VIad | nice marketing - lets me test drive the product |
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| 13:21.30 | jleclanche | asking again because no answer yesterday: anyone wants a free HIB9 with no steam keys? |
| 13:22.04 | jleclanche | its unclaimed |
| 13:22.26 | zenzio | what's HIB9? |
| 13:22.32 | jleclanche | humble indie bundle 9 |
| 13:23.08 | zenzio | I've lost track of those by now :-| |
| 13:26.05 | jleclanche | zenzio: you want it? |
| 13:26.31 | jleclanche | it has the trine 2 story, mark of the ninja (which i hear is amazing), eets munchies and brutal legend |
| 13:26.39 | zenzio | wouldn't mind, yeah |
| 13:26.45 | jleclanche | msg me your email |
| 13:28.07 | Fisker | no steam keys |
| 13:28.07 | Fisker | hah |
| 13:28.34 | jleclanche | yeah was a broken purchase boost |
| 13:28.50 | jleclanche | ended up in an extra bundle because the hb site is kinda shit on boosting pledges |
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| 13:42.57 | mikma | http://geekologie.com/2013/09/200k-people-applied-to-go-die-on-mars-in.php |
| 13:46.35 | TC-Work | Well, if you have to die somewhere, why not mars. |
| 13:46.39 | Fisker | ohai Lopeppeppy |
| 13:58.35 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, fabulous muffins! |
| 14:02.11 | zenzio | well there's something I haven't seen people say before... "SSCCE or it didn't happen" |
| 14:02.38 | zenzio | (meaning, apparently, "Short, Self Contained, Correct (Compilable), Example") |
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| 14:02.56 | nevcairiel | its been around for a long time, but not many people use it, because most dont understand it |
| 14:03.51 | zenzio | nice to have a name for the issue |
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| 14:28.11 | Fisker | almost done working |
| 14:28.18 | Fisker | barely remember what i had to do today |
| 14:28.24 | TC-Work | Nothing? |
| 14:28.35 | Fisker | that's the least i do here :( |
| 14:28.44 | Fisker | oh yeah that's right |
| 14:28.48 | Fisker | write protecting the desktop |
| 14:29.08 | TC-Work | That took all of what...30 seconds? |
| 14:30.07 | Fisker | :O |
| 14:30.17 | Fisker | It actually didn't |
| 14:30.45 | TC-Work | Assuming I understand what you are talking about, it should have. |
| 14:31.04 | Fisker | It took me about 30 seconds to write a script to do it |
| 14:31.31 | Fisker | but i need to deploy it, make it only do it on windows 7 desktops and then it can't mess up any of other shit up |
| 14:31.44 | Fisker | I got the first part done D: |
| 14:33.32 | Fisker | We got a lot of policies doing shortcuts and shit |
| 14:34.16 | nevcairiel | you dont want people putting stuff on their desktop anymore? |
| 14:34.31 | Fisker | i don't give a shit |
| 14:35.12 | Fisker | they can't even change their windows theme |
| 14:35.29 | Fisker | Oh yeah and they don't hope for any backlash |
| 14:35.43 | nevcairiel | i think being able to put a shortcut to my most used application on the desktop is more important than changing the theme =P |
| 14:36.13 | Fisker | (can't change themes, backgrounds, put stuff on the desktop, install programs (not even programs installed in user context) nor run any programs) |
| 14:36.25 | Fisker | you can always pin it to your taskbar nevcairiel |
| 14:36.44 | nevcairiel | not to mention that i use the desktop to dump a bunch of text files with random notes in them |
| 14:36.51 | Fisker | yeah |
| 14:36.55 | Fisker | that's what we don't want |
| 14:37.04 | nevcairiel | why not? o.o |
| 14:37.10 | Fisker | because people can't manage it |
| 14:38.17 | Fisker | SRP in Windows is pretty sick though |
| 14:38.22 | Fisker | sucks that software sucks |
| 14:38.54 | Fisker | Some of our programs added "windows 7 support" |
| 14:38.58 | Fisker | "support" |
| 14:39.11 | Fisker | they make their folder read/writable by everyone |
| 14:39.15 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:39.49 | Fisker | which meant i had to blacklist the whitelists! |
| 14:40.07 | Fisker | Then i crashed the group policy editor :( |
| 14:40.12 | Fisker | so i had to remove all the silly nonsense |
| 14:40.21 | Fisker | so i only have the whitelist now :( |
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| 14:55.18 | airtonix | so if you can't run programs, what are the computers for? |
| 14:55.34 | Fisker | yay home \o/ |
| 14:55.46 | Fisker | it can run programs |
| 14:55.47 | haste | slow Fisker |
| 14:55.52 | airtonix | you said it can't |
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| 15:04.56 | nicoli_s | Stanzilla: stuff is up on diablofans.com btw |
| 15:05.41 | Stanzilla | nicoli_s: saw it! |
| 15:05.48 | Stanzilla | did you tell them? |
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| 15:08.56 | nicoli_s | Stanzilla:i helped do it |
| 15:09.12 | nicoli_s | im 1 part of our 2 man d3 team |
| 15:09.12 | Stanzilla | nice |
| 15:09.18 | Stanzilla | haha ok |
| 15:09.26 | nicoli_s | we have more stuff for today too |
| 15:09.33 | nicoli_s | all i gotta say is screw blizzard |
| 15:09.41 | nicoli_s | hundreds of new fields between items and affixes |
| 15:09.42 | Stanzilla | why |
| 15:09.47 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 15:10.47 | pompy | Ackis: http://bit.ly/15m31OX |
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| 15:12.49 | Ressy | oh god.. Must not let my kid find out about that. >.< |
| 15:12.53 | Fisker | pls airtonix :( |
| 15:13.21 | Fisker | some day he will find out Ressy |
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| 15:15.02 | Ackis | pompy: I already have all of the Disney Infinity figures that are out :( |
| 15:15.27 | nicoli_s | Ackis: how is that game? |
| 15:15.51 | Ackis | it's a lot of fun actually, there's adventure/stories and then another part that's like minecraft |
| 15:16.09 | bluspacecow | *posts on Diablofans* |
| 15:16.12 | Fisker | stop Ackis |
| 15:16.15 | Fisker | stop right there |
| 15:16.22 | bluspacecow | Curse Premium |
| 15:16.25 | bluspacecow | i ams ? |
| 15:16.30 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.39 | Fisker | though it isn't even a pc game right? |
| 15:16.57 | TC-Work | Not that it said |
| 15:17.05 | Ressy | ps3/xbox I think? |
| 15:17.10 | TC-Work | "Disney Infinity is out now for the PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U, and 3DS." |
| 15:17.25 | Ressy | ahh :) |
| 15:17.41 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=554021841319178&set=a.414413855279978.99986.276710412383657&type=1 |
| 15:19.58 | Ackis | Fisker: they're coming out with PC related stuff, but it sounds like it'll be small aps only |
| 15:20.34 | Neffi | hey bluspacecow |
| 15:20.38 | Neffi | you ratchet? |
| 15:20.39 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ping |
| 15:20.47 | bluspacecow | what you mean i ratchet ? |
| 15:20.53 | bluspacecow | i am not rat shit :( |
| 15:21.10 | Neffi | no you ratchet |
| 15:21.15 | Neffi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT3htTWBogU&feature=player_detailpage#t=85 |
| 15:21.19 | bluspacecow | http://images.wikia.com/powerlisting/images/b/b7/Ratchet_R%26C.jpg |
| 15:22.28 | Fisker | shh Ackis |
| 15:24.50 | Ackis | holy fuck nicoli_s it seems like everytime I go to a gaming site page, it's been gobbled up by Curse! |
| 15:27.20 | Neffi | yeah you ratchet |
| 15:27.40 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I sideloaded android 4.3 or something like that, installed a custom recovery, and now the OS is telling me htere's a system update to android 4.3... how can I make it stop? |
| 15:29.07 | nicoli_s | Ackis: which one? |
| 15:29.21 | nicoli_s | also we are quite similar to galactus, devourer of worlds |
| 15:29.28 | Ackis | nicoli_s: serebii, darkspyro |
| 15:30.14 | nicoli_s | you mean bulbagarden? we dont have anything on serebii |
| 15:30.18 | Fisker | accept it Ackis ? |
| 15:30.19 | nicoli_s | we also own marriland |
| 15:30.27 | Ackis | yeah it was marriland oops |
| 15:30.28 | nicoli_s | i wish we owned serebii they are huge |
| 15:30.33 | nicoli_s | i made the new marriland :) |
| 15:30.47 | Ackis | :O |
| 15:30.53 | stuf | lel serebii and its 98-style content |
| 15:30.54 | nicoli_s | i was fufilling 10 year old version of me's dream |
| 15:31.13 | Ackis | there's nothing wrong with playing kids games as an adult! |
| 15:31.25 | nicoli_s | oh i know i meant it in a good way! |
| 15:31.32 | Ackis | well there is when you're in your 30's and these 12 year olds want to friend request you and stuff! |
| 15:31.44 | Fisker | oh |
| 15:31.48 | nicoli_s | though is it me or are the new pokemon games a little heavy on the "pokemon is slavery!" message |
| 15:31.57 | nicoli_s | like 10 min in the bad guy was guilt tripping me :P |
| 15:32.13 | Ackis | I didn't notice that theme in black, but it's been a while since I played |
| 15:32.21 | Ackis | I never got through black 2 though |
| 15:32.30 | Ackis | also imma dirty rotten bastard |
| 15:32.53 | Ackis | my wife works at EB Games and when they get a pokemon game traded in, I load it up and steal all the good pokemons :D |
| 15:33.02 | nicoli_s | haha |
| 15:33.07 | nicoli_s | this was BW2 |
| 15:33.15 | nicoli_s | i just couldnt get into it like the old days |
| 15:33.23 | nicoli_s | but im glad curse bought me a 3ds :P |
| 15:33.37 | Ackis | B1 was the first pokemon game I played for longer than 10 minutes |
| 15:34.16 | Ackis | 1032-1554-8694 == fc |
| 15:43.17 | Ackis | would I need a powerful PC to run linux as a server in my house for things like torrents, back up cron jobs, ssh, syslog? |
| 15:44.14 | Neffi | Define powerful |
| 15:44.24 | Neffi | I mean, you'd want something more powerful than a Rasp Pi |
| 15:44.37 | Neffi | Maybe an Atom or some older desktop that's not too loud/hot |
| 15:46.28 | Ackis | I was thinking something like http://www.uniwaycomputer.com/uniwaycomputer/productlist/?73_1.html |
| 15:46.39 | Ackis | older desktop |
| 15:46.47 | Ackis | would need a bigger hard drive though |
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| 15:52.43 | Neffi | Personally I wouldn't bother with them |
| 15:52.52 | Neffi | Because those older ones are gonna run hotter and consume more power |
| 15:53.31 | Neffi | Something modern but low end should be just fine. Atom if you want cheap, AMD or i3 if you wanna go up a little bit -- so you can turn it into an HTPC too maybe |
| 15:53.52 | Neffi | If you're worried about performance, you can probably build a pretty good AMD box for a low price. |
| 15:54.08 | Neffi | Throw a half-decent PCI-E RAID card with a couple HDDs maybe |
| 15:54.49 | Neffi | All depends if you're looking to fit into a budget. If so, whatever works works. |
| 15:55.55 | Ackis | I have a tight budget, and don't really need a HTPC, I have two NASes with DLNA on them which seem to work fine |
| 15:56.51 | TC-Work | Whats wrong with doing this on your current computer? |
| 15:58.03 | Neffi | Well nothing you're asking for is CPU intensive. If anything it's I/O intensive but even relatively low end things will provide enough headroom to be running a seedbox and backup server |
| 15:58.23 | Ackis | TC-Work: I tried a linux install and I broke things, plus I live/work in windows 8 |
| 15:58.30 | Neffi | Just don't go for a microcontroller. Find an actual x86 based machine and you should be golden |
| 15:58.35 | TC-Work | Ackis: small vm |
| 15:58.41 | TC-Work | just leave it running |
| 15:58.43 | TC-Work | I have that |
| 15:58.45 | TC-Work | works fine |
| 15:58.56 | Neffi | Don't see why you can't do this stuff on Windows as well |
| 15:59.08 | TC-Work | Cron on windows is less than awesome |
| 15:59.13 | TC-Work | at least it was in xp days |
| 15:59.32 | Neffi | Several good torrent clients. Several utilities for backup. OS has built in event system you can use like cron. AutoHotkey and other tools if you want to manage it manually, or whip up a Python/Lua script. |
| 15:59.35 | Ackis | honestly I want a linux box to play around with and have fun with, and I don't leave my PC on all the time |
| 15:59.57 | TC-Work | But you would have to leave 'A' machine on all the time, so it might as well be this one |
| 16:00.21 | Neffi | Then really just go for something x86. What you linked would be fine. A cheap nettop would be fine. (One based on AMD would be more ideal than Atom for not much more cost.) |
| 16:00.40 | Ackis | I've been playing around with fun_plug on my DNS-323 and DD-WRT on my two linksys routers and I'm finding because of the limited capabilities of them, I'm breaking them more often than not. |
| 16:00.57 | Neffi | TC-Work: I disagree. Having a smaller power computer on all the time is much favorable to leaving your main comp on all the time. |
| 16:01.16 | Neffi | Don't have to worry about bringing down one because the other needs a reboot, or wasting more electricity than is ideal |
| 16:02.24 | TC-Work | Another option is to use one of your nas's to run this stuff. |
| 16:02.28 | Neffi | I think the main thing you have to worry about Ackis is what kind of storage you're concerned with. If it's backup, are you looking for reliable HDDs in a RAID array? Or do you just need basic SATA support to throw a few HDDs in, and maybe use LVM and a good filesystem for robustness. |
| 16:03.25 | Neffi | Software RAID would probably be ideal here. It's more flexible, it's cheaper to do, and it gives you much more configuration power |
| 16:03.39 | Neffi | At the cost of some performance that isn't gonna be a concern |
| 16:03.51 | Neffi | (Probably so little you wouldn't see any real world difference) |
| 16:03.57 | Ackis | I'd want it to run cron jobs backing up things to the DNS-323, that has 2x1TB drives in Raid 0 and it's where I keep my important data, I'd also like it to be able to access my 4TB external drive, and then for anything else (e.g. media that I own on itunes/ultraviolet) I have it stored on my Ready NAS Duo which has 2x3TB in JBOD |
| 16:04.49 | Neffi | So you're really just looking for a frontend type thing to ssh into, play around in the CLI, and actually perform the backup logic that's ultimately being handled by the NAS instead? |
| 16:05.14 | Neffi | Hell, buy anything. |
| 16:05.33 | Ackis | yeah, possibly run apache, ftp, etc. just for lulz and maybe go with samba 4 so I can mimic AD and get some network wide accounts going on |
| 16:05.39 | Neffi | A nettop might be perfect, especially if it's got gigabit ethernet |
| 16:06.16 | Neffi | I'm not too knowledgable about setting up servers. I don't know what you want to aim for with Apache, but I'm assuming you're not serving a large site. |
| 16:06.29 | Neffi | Either way I get the impression nginx would be much better suited to your needs |
| 16:06.38 | Ackis | I haven't decided if I'm going to go wired or wireless yet, wired is better but will be a PITA, however I can go with 802.11AC which should do the job |
| 16:07.07 | Neffi | There is a difference when you start to get into heavier LAN usage |
| 16:07.32 | Neffi | But it's all gonna depend on the setup in question. Wifi will probably suffice |
| 16:08.07 | Neffi | I use ethernet as much as possible simply as a rule of thumb, especially when the device is static (as opposed to a laptop). |
| 16:08.09 | Ackis | having not used AC, I wonder if it's more resiliant to my microwave, also afk a few meeting stuff |
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| 16:42.01 | TC-Work | Neffi: I feel that 2 nases a nettop and a periodically on desktop would be equal to or more power than doing everything on a desktop. |
| 16:42.05 | Shadowed | sigh |
| 16:42.09 | Shadowed | Kaelten ping |
| 16:42.25 | Neffi | That really depends on the setup TC |
| 16:42.25 | TC-Work | s/s a /s, a / |
| 16:42.41 | Neffi | Do some profiling |
| 16:42.46 | nicoli_s | Shadowed:prob wont get a respond any time soon, Kaelten is in major crunch mode |
| 16:42.51 | Shadowed | augh |
| 16:42.53 | Shadowed | nicoli_s you do curse stuff right |
| 16:42.58 | Shadowed | who do I yell at for breaking localization on wowace |
| 16:43.00 | Neffi | Nettops use much less power and are good at idle power gating. The power usage of a nettop should be practically nil. |
| 16:43.17 | Neffi | Meanwhile it will allow the main computer to more often sleep, be turned off, etc |
| 16:43.17 | TC-Work | But it wont be idle |
| 16:43.18 | nicoli_s | Shadowed:that would be prob be thomas, ill let him know |
| 16:43.24 | nicoli_s | got an example project where its broke? |
| 16:43.38 | Shadowed | nicoli_s: On addons on wowace, if you go to Import, you cannot choose a language to import which basically means you can't actually push any new addon changes :p |
| 16:43.40 | Neffi | For his uses it will be most of the time |
| 16:43.40 | Shadowed | yea http://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/localization/import/ |
| 16:43.54 | Neffi | As long as he sets up Linux properly for power mngmne |
| 16:43.57 | Shadowed | http://www.wowace.com/addons/shadowed-unit-frames/localization/ also doesn't show anything, and it used to show a summary of i18n status |
| 16:44.01 | Shadowed | just says "No results found" |
| 16:44.12 | nicoli_s | alright i passed it on |
| 16:44.15 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 16:44.41 | Ackis | Shadowed: localization is messed up, I know Torhal was looking in to it earlier |
| 16:45.05 | Neffi | I did some math a while ago when I considered making something similar. An NAS+seedbox+SSH box in one. The power usage of it would've amounted to a couple dollars a month tops. Which would allow my computer to rest more often. |
| 16:45.40 | TC-Work | It would be more efficient if the stuff was served off of the nas |
| 16:45.47 | Ressy | ouch. All localizations are messed. |
| 16:46.21 | Neffi | Well he already has his NAS setups running. Reconfiguring everything to unify it all would be a lot of work probably. |
| 16:46.47 | Neffi | Moving files, merging filesystems, upgrading the NAS hardware (or moving the storage to a totally new box) to repurpose it all for handling torrenting/SSH too... |
| 16:46.58 | TC-Work | Still be cheaper in multiple ways than a new system |
| 16:47.33 | Neffi | These all depend on usage factors that we can't quantify because we are not him |
| 16:47.55 | Neffi | But if it were me, I'd make one integrated device to handle these tasks. |
| 16:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/10932273/54_Hotfixes_September_11-9_11_2013#c-9948904874 wut |
| 16:49.28 | Ackis | http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/verizons-diabolical-plan-turn-the-web-pay-view-226662 |
| 16:49.33 | jleclanche | Oh SHIT. |
| 16:49.33 | jleclanche | https://pay.reddit.com/r/FoodPorn/comments/1m8wuz/fried_olives_stuffed_with_italian_sausage_and/ |
| 16:49.36 | nicoli_s | Shadowed: yeah CF dev knows about it |
| 16:49.44 | Shadowed | Do they have an estimate on when it'll be fixed nicoli_s? |
| 16:50.38 | Neffi | Ackis: This is old news |
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| 16:50.55 | nicoli_s | Shadowed:not atm |
| 16:50.58 | Shadowed | kk thanks |
| 16:51.02 | Neffi | And btw, Verizon isn't going to win |
| 16:51.30 | Neffi | We just passed net neutrality a few years ago. They don't have the legal right to favor any one (legal-content-carrying) packet over another. |
| 16:51.33 | Neffi | It's a pipe dream |
| 16:51.52 | Ackis | TC-Work, Neffi: The NASes do their jobs decently but the things I feel are missing are: decent bittorrent server so I can remotely add torrents, a way to backup data easily (right now I have a lot of symlinks, default paths are changed, etc), network wide user accounts (e.g. AD), indexing on the file shares so the Win 7/8 libraries can use them |
| 16:52.22 | TC-Work | Ackis: Well open nas address those points i think |
| 16:52.29 | Neffi | So I continue to recommend finding a decent x86 machine. Anything Atom or up depending on your price range. |
| 16:53.09 | Neffi | In the future it still opens up the possibility to get rid of your NAS equipment and just throw the HDDs into that system (with a PCI-E sata card) so you can cut down on power usage and have a more integrated system. |
| 16:53.37 | Ackis | true |
| 16:53.56 | TC-Work | Everything Ackis is looking to do I already do in my desktop. All of it |
| 16:53.58 | Neffi | Any run of the mill Linux distro has a lot of options and flexibility for setting this up in any way you wish |
| 16:54.16 | Neffi | Grouping things up gives you more flexibility with how the HDDs are logically grouped |
| 16:54.50 | Neffi | Although it does condense everything into a single point of failure should an HDD crash. RAID can help with that. |
| 16:55.56 | Neffi | But TC, it's nicer to not have to use your desktop for everything. I've already slated lower power usage as a plus. Being able to use a totally different setup than your desktop is nice. And you don't have to worry about problems in one affecting the other. |
| 16:56.34 | nicoli_s | Shadowed:can you try now, they say its fixed |
| 16:56.37 | Torhal | Shadowed: Fixed. |
| 16:56.43 | Neffi | Setting up a VM on your desktop just so you can manage this how you want is a lot less ideal than having a dedicated low-power machine doing it |
| 16:56.50 | Shadowed | yup seems fixed, thanks nicoli_s |
| 16:56.55 | nicoli_s | np |
| 16:57.17 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151797886244034&set=a.298842734033.144051.138011799033&type=1 |
| 16:57.44 | Ackis | TC-Work: my main concern is performance (e.g. playing games on the PC) and second concern is if I mess something up, does that mess my PC up? Already had issues with boot managers and whatnot |
| 16:57.45 | Neffi | Hmm |
| 16:58.36 | Neffi | Well performance isn't gonna be much of a concern, because the types of things you're talking about doing are low intensity w.r.t. performance. Neither them nor games should have a noticeable impact on the performance of the other. |
| 16:58.39 | TC-Work | Ackis: I have no idea what kind of system you have so it's up to you to decide if you can run a VM and game. |
| 16:58.53 | TC-Work | And if you mess somthing up where? |
| 16:58.54 | Neffi | But I still think VM is a bad idea here |
| 16:59.25 | Neffi | From what I gather you want to have a dedicated Linux machine to be able to play with these configurations. Sure, a VM solves that but not well. |
| 17:00.00 | Neffi | Anyway, I have house cleaning to do. |
| 17:01.19 | Ackis | TC-Work: it probably would be okay to do, but it'd mean that bit of ram/processor isn't used for my game anymore |
| 17:07.29 | TC-Work | Ackis: Like I said, you would need to test. Whip up a quick vm and play a demanding game, see what happened. |
| 17:07.41 | TC-Work | happens* |
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| 17:11.27 | Esamynn|work | Neffi: the article has a point though. until ISP are declared common carriers... that kind of shit will continue |
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| 17:14.12 | Esamynn|work | Neffi_: I' |
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| 17:14.38 | Esamynn|work | Neffi_: on the NAS/etc. topic... I've run my own Linux server at home for... just about 10 years |
| 17:15.12 | Esamynn|work | it's been all sorts of useful as a platform to host stuff that just needs to be there |
| 17:16.23 | Esamynn|work | not to mention valuable for practicing my Linux-foo prior to using it for work and other stuff |
| 17:19.56 | Ackis | I suppose I could get rid of both NASes, put the HD's into a new machine, hook up the external hard drive to it and call it a day. I could probably pay for the PC if I sold the NASes |
| 17:23.10 | Esamynn|work | Ackis: have you considered building your own rather than trying to buy an old desktop machine? (still working my way through backlog) |
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| 17:25.50 | Ackis | Esamynn|work: I think that would be a bit out of my price range for what I'm allowed to do |
| 17:26.07 | Esamynn|work | oh? |
| 17:26.16 | Ackis | happy wife == happy life |
| 17:26.55 | jleclanche | anyone familiar with setting up xmpp servers? (ejabberd in my case) |
| 17:27.08 | Esamynn|work | ahh, of course |
| 17:27.42 | Esamynn|work | what is the budget here? |
| 17:28.25 | Ackis | couple hundred at most |
| 17:28.58 | Esamynn|work | you already have HDDs I take it? |
| 17:29.18 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/ETL4jtr.gif |
| 17:29.38 | Esamynn|work | ~fishslap Fisker |
| 17:29.38 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:30.55 | Ackis | Esamynn|work: yeah |
| 17:31.16 | Esamynn|work | then a cheap pc to act as a server is totally possible in that budget, if you build it yourself |
| 17:32.33 | Esamynn|work | now, you might have to learn some Linux-foo... but being stuck in Windows land isn't good for you anyways :P |
| 17:32.33 | Fisker | why Esamynn|work ? :( |
| 17:32.46 | Esamynn|work | Fisker: because... I'm sure you deserved it |
| 17:32.57 | Fisker | I didn't, honest! |
| 17:32.59 | Ackis | Esamynn|work: I know enough linux-foo to be able to break things :) |
| 17:33.14 | Esamynn|work | the trick it being able to FIX it after you broke it |
| 17:33.27 | Esamynn|work | has done this many times |
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| 17:36.36 | Esamynn|work | anyways, I recently replaced my original server box, which I figure I build in 2004 or 05 for $400 or $500 canadian, including HDDs. Given how core it has become (and I wanted as close to silent as possible), I splurged for an actual server case, and good fans... so that upped the price this time around |
| 17:37.22 | Esamynn|work | but I also went the route of setting up the box as a Xen host and the real server is just a VM hosted on it... to make it easier to transfer to new hardware in the future |
| 17:37.40 | Esamynn|work | as for raid... Linux software raid works just fine |
| 17:38.00 | Esamynn|work | given that this isn't a high performance setu |
| 17:38.03 | Esamynn|work | setup* |
| 17:38.38 | pompy | http://amzn.com/B00F3EFHCO |
| 17:40.41 | Esamynn|work | Ackis: as given that you said you want a linux box to play with... |
| 17:40.45 | Esamynn|work | and* |
| 17:41.16 | Esamynn|work | I'll say again, I taught myself a TON with my own linux box |
| 17:41.51 | Esamynn|work | and if you go the Xen route, you can do the truely risky stuff in a VM without risk of hosing your main system (like I nearly did with a kernel upgrade once) |
| 17:45.02 | Esamynn|work | Samba 4 is... well I haven't actually tried connecting win7 or 8 to it, but it didn't play nicely with the Windows server I tried to link it to, just for the hell of it :) |
| 17:45.12 | Esamynn|work | let's say it's a work in progress :) |
| 17:50.13 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=553355634719132&set=a.414413855279978.99986.276710412383657&type=1 |
| 18:08.43 | Neffi_ | Every day I get bullshit from eBay. Every day I unsubscribe. Is it harassment at this point? |
| 18:09.43 | fewyn | i just put a filter in |
| 18:09.48 | fewyn | i don't even ebay anymore |
| 18:10.13 | Neffi_ | I have a filter for the word "unsubscribe", but I removed that because maybe legitimate shit is getting blocked |
| 18:10.28 | fewyn | nah i have one specifically for ebay now |
| 18:10.29 | Neffi_ | I really hate to filter something I may actually end up using |
| 18:10.49 | fewyn | and i don't filter it into spam or trash |
| 18:10.57 | fewyn | just into a crap i will never read folder |
| 18:11.34 | Neffi_ | GMail seems to lack the capability to actually filter into spam, which is weird |
| 18:11.46 | Neffi_ | I guess they want you to contribute to their own spam filter's heuristics by using the "mark as spam" |
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| 18:29.30 | Primer | Esamynn|work: Do you have any sort of feed for Astrolabe updates? |
| 18:30.11 | Primer | I just realized that I never push updates to one of my addons that uses it when Astrolabe gets updated. |
| 18:30.17 | Esamynn|work | no, not really |
| 18:30.29 | Esamynn|work | also, Astrolabe hasn't gotten an update recently because it's been working great afaik |
| 18:30.42 | Primer | Doesn't it have to maintain zone sizes though? |
| 18:30.50 | Esamynn|work | actually, no |
| 18:31.04 | Primer | Hrmm, I wonder why Libmapdata does then |
| 18:32.06 | Esamynn|work | must be because Astrolabe is just pure awesome sauce =D |
| 18:32.12 | Primer | heh |
| 18:32.20 | Esamynn|work | </shameless plug> |
| 18:33.41 | Neffi_ | How does it get away without maintaining zone sizes? |
| 18:34.05 | Neffi_ | I mean isn't a zone->worldspace coordinate mapping essential for what it does? |
| 18:34.35 | Esamynn|work | yes, it ise |
| 18:34.38 | Esamynn|work | is* |
| 18:34.49 | Esamynn|work | short answer... it asks the game client |
| 18:35.38 | Neffi_ | Take measurements of your position on the current map and the worldspace map and compare them |
| 18:35.39 | Neffi_ | ? |
| 18:35.59 | Esamynn|work | no, there is litterly API to retrieve the relevent information now |
| 18:36.13 | Esamynn|work | oh god, spelling faily |
| 18:36.15 | Esamynn|work | fail* |
| 18:36.19 | Neffi_ | Oh nice |
| 18:36.19 | Esamynn|work | and I cannot type today |
| 18:36.44 | Esamynn|work | also, damn, my secret is out! ;) |
| 18:38.06 | Esamynn|work | I've actually figured out that the API will even let me remove the last tiny bit of hard coded world map -> continent data, but I haven't gotten around to implementing that yet |
| 18:38.13 | Esamynn|work | I'll probably do it before 6.0 |
| 18:38.15 | Neffi_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/kVg1L |
| 18:39.25 | Esamynn|work | me thinks he's over analyzing this |
| 18:42.08 | Neffi_ | >> |
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| 18:42.46 | Neffi_ | I can't wait for another MMO to get wrapped up in making UIs for |
| 18:42.56 | Neffi_ | WoW just hasn't cut it for me for a while |
| 18:43.22 | Neffi_ | But I still love designing and coding away whole game GUIs |
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| 18:58.24 | zenzelezz | you're planning to make Hello Kitty for Elder Scroll Online, aren't you |
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| 19:00.31 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 19:00.39 | Neffi_ | I just might |
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| 19:01.24 | Neffi_ | I'm actually interested in what my ESO UI would look like. I'd like to take a shot on building up a whole UI on the premise that immersion > information and see how it works in an MMO. |
| 19:01.33 | Coote | oh god, why oh why did you just put that idea into their head? |
| 19:02.08 | zenzelezz | someone in here did it for WoW |
| 19:02.09 | Coote | If ESO is anything like the games, it should work wonderfuly. |
| 19:02.22 | Neffi_ | ESO is like the games. |
| 19:02.25 | zenzelezz | actually, I don't think he's here anymore, but he was |
| 19:02.56 | Neffi_ | It's pretty much Skyrim online, but with improvements in combat, fluidity and skill system; sort of in line with the jump from Oblivion to Skyrim |
| 19:03.25 | Dagmar | ...and email alerts that managed to sneak past me, damnit |
| 19:03.41 | Coote | I'm one of those unlocky sods that never gets a beta invite, and the rare occasion I do, it's usually the week before launch stress test. |
| 19:03.42 | Neffi_ | But being an MMO, I'm going to be PvPing a lot. In a competitive arena, I've found information is typically pretty vital. So striking a balance between giving me only what I need in an immersive way is going to be a challenge. |
| 19:04.32 | Neffi_ | No beta invite here. I've sent in an email asking about the possibilities of special-case beta invites for prospective addon developers (and the possibility of an official API doc) but haven';t heard back. |
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| 19:08.53 | nicoli_s | ESO was so bad when i tried it\ |
| 19:08.56 | nicoli_s | like really really bd |
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| 19:09.11 | nicoli_s | like everyone gathered around my desk to join in on laughing at how bad it was |
| 19:09.35 | Dagmar | it was prbably a mercy they were just doing a stress test the other week then |
| 19:09.43 | nicoli_s | their UI framework is insecure too :( |
| 19:09.49 | nicoli_s | i was able to overwrite the login screen |
| 19:10.03 | nicoli_s | and save out login details |
| 19:10.16 | Neffi_ | When you played a pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha build? |
| 19:10.42 | Neffi_ | The latest reviews based on the newer builds say the difference is more than night and day |
| 19:10.42 | nicoli_s | it was labelled beta |
| 19:10.54 | Neffi_ | Labeled beta when it hasn't hit beta yet? |
| 19:11.02 | Neffi_ | Hint: that's how unfinished it was |
| 19:11.26 | nicoli_s | ill put it this way, ive played lots and lots of alpha/beta mmos |
| 19:11.28 | nicoli_s | other than alganon, prob worst starting experience ive ever had |
| 19:11.29 | Neffi_ | mmk |
| 19:11.53 | Dagmar | Alganon? Wasn't that the one that stole the Green Hills of Stranglethorn? |
| 19:11.56 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 19:12.00 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:12.09 | nicoli_s | they actually designed the game with wow assets |
| 19:12.11 | Neffi_ | I think it's inherently wrong to be basing your opinion on something that's not even close to the stage where major changes in the gameplay occur |
| 19:12.17 | nicoli_s | it has the exact same folder structure as wow |
| 19:12.21 | Dagmar | holy shit really? |
| 19:12.30 | nicoli_s | and the starting character looked exactly like a starter mage |
| 19:12.34 | nicoli_s | but with a shovel for a weapon :P |
| 19:12.44 | nicoli_s | i then got one shotted by a snake that looked like a critter |
| 19:12.48 | Dagmar | Damn I didn't even notice that |
| 19:12.50 | Neffi_ | Wait you means Runes of Magic? |
| 19:12.57 | Neffi_ | Oh wait, no, ... Rift it was, right? |
| 19:12.59 | nicoli_s | this was a looong time ago |
| 19:13.01 | Dagmar | Ah... Yeah I think it was RoM |
| 19:13.02 | Neffi_ | =P |
| 19:13.05 | Dagmar | Definitely wasn't Rift |
| 19:13.10 | nicoli_s | RoM was bad, not that bad |
| 19:13.13 | Dagmar | I remember it was russian |
| 19:13.19 | Neffi_ | RoM's API was a directly clone of WoW's |
| 19:13.24 | Neffi_ | Only implemented by an idiot |
| 19:13.28 | nicoli_s | i did like how the first enemies you fight in RoM were mushrooms that shoot fireballs |
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| 19:13.49 | Coote | Mario's worst nightmare. |
| 19:14.02 | Dagmar | Well, all the mobs in RoM were weird |
| 19:15.01 | Neffi_ | RoM sucked, end of story |
| 19:15.32 | Neffi_ | A WoW friend convinced me to play it, made it seem like the best damn thing ever. I uninstalled it after an hour and haven't contacted him since. |
| 19:16.12 | Neffi_ | Nobody needs friends who recommend terrible games |
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| 19:20.31 | Sargeras | hugs Cairenn |
| 19:20.39 | Cairenn | hugs Sargeras |
| 19:21.49 | Esamynn|work | nicoli_s: you used to be able to overwrite the wow logon UI as well ;) |
| 19:22.16 | dolby | Sargeras the man! |
| 19:22.26 | nicoli_s | Esamynn|Away: yeah its a common mistake |
| 19:22.30 | nicoli_s | you could do it in tsw too |
| 19:22.43 | Sargeras | Not the man |
| 19:22.49 | Sargeras | dolby is the man! |
| 19:22.55 | dolby | nope |
| 19:22.57 | Esamynn|work | having a UI customization system as powerful as WoW takes a lot of dedicated work |
| 19:23.05 | Esamynn|work | thanks "the god that is slouken" once again |
| 19:23.51 | Neffi_ | We all thank Slouken for what he did, but WoW's system was far frm perfect for a long time |
| 19:24.12 | Neffi_ | The game's, what, 8 years old? The system we have in place didn't attain that maturity overnight |
| 19:24.21 | Esamynn|work | hahahahha! |
| 19:24.34 | Esamynn|work | no shit Sherlock |
| 19:24.43 | Neffi_ | Remember when you could move and cast spells through the API? |
| 19:24.50 | Esamynn|work | yes |
| 19:25.11 | Esamynn|work | remember when you could create unit frames without the group template helper? |
| 19:25.23 | Neffi_ | I don't use the group template helper |
| 19:25.30 | Neffi_ | So I don't really remember when it came about |
| 19:25.41 | Esamynn|work | you have no idea how sad that makes me :( |
| 19:25.44 | nicoli_s | the UI system in wildstar is great, yall are gonna love it |
| 19:26.19 | Coote | is it lua or javascript or what? I haven't really heard much about it aside from it will exist. |
| 19:26.30 | Esamynn|work | the unit frames template started out as raid only and was 100% required for addon raid unit frames in 2.0 |
| 19:26.58 | nicoli_s | lua |
| 19:27.04 | Neffi_ | I disdain raid frames, mainly since I disdain raiding for the most part |
| 19:27.17 | Neffi_ | I played WoW for PvP and questing with friends |
| 19:27.27 | Esamynn|work | each to their own |
| 19:27.29 | Coote | please oh please tell me it isn't a mess like Rift's currently is. |
| 19:27.36 | Coote | if you can, at least. |
| 19:27.57 | Esamynn|work | Neffi_: still, that template holds a special place in my heart |
| 19:28.08 | Neffi_ | I'm sure it's nice |
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| 19:28.42 | Esamynn|work | now you're just humouring me :P |
| 19:29.06 | Neffi_ | No really. If you love it, it must be well designed |
| 19:29.24 | Neffi_ | It's not often somebody actually says they love another person's code |
| 19:29.31 | Esamynn|work | I would like to think that I never design crap |
| 19:30.02 | Neffi_ | Now no offense but I don't want to pass up the opportunity you've given me here |
| 19:30.11 | Neffi_ | "I would like to think that I never design crap" <- neither does a dog |
| 19:30.16 | Neffi_ | =P |
| 19:30.18 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 19:30.22 | Esamynn|work | yah, I walked into that |
| 19:30.47 | Neffi_ | What, did you design the template? |
| 19:31.00 | Esamynn|work | yes, I am the original author of that bit of code |
| 19:31.07 | Neffi_ | That's pretty cool |
| 19:31.15 | Neffi_ | I wish I could say I had code living in a major game |
| 19:32.32 | Neffi_ | Heh, it's cool to see your name at the top of the file |
| 19:36.52 | Esamynn|work | yes, it is |
| 19:38.27 | Esamynn|work | but really, I'm not sure slouken can be given enough credit for the WoW UI... he was basically the entire driving force behind it's original creation, the primary implementor and maintainer. without him, it simply wouldn't exist |
| 19:38.53 | Neffi_ | I remember hearing quite a bit about that |
| 19:39.04 | Neffi_ | That he really pushed and did a lot of the work personally to see it included |
| 19:40.06 | Neffi_ | It meant a lot to me that WoW's UI was scriptable, and it's the first programming I ever did. So I appreciate him fully. |
| 19:40.31 | Neffi_ | He's probably the reason I became a programmer, after previously trying and failing to get interested in PHP and Ruby. |
| 19:40.34 | Esamynn|work | I had no idea about the UI customization when I first started playing wow |
| 19:41.07 | Esamynn|work | someone mentioned an addon to me, shit, what was that first big one? and I assumed they were talking about the equivalent of a D2 hack |
| 19:41.17 | Neffi_ | I had some idea. I remember somebody in general chat mentioning Scrolling Combat Text and CTMod. Then looking into them lead me to ... what was that other one? |
| 19:41.31 | Neffi_ | The first big one is what I'm trying to remember too |
| 19:41.46 | nebula169 | cosmos? |
| 19:41.48 | Neffi_ | yeah |
| 19:41.50 | Esamynn|work | that's it |
| 19:42.16 | Neffi_ | A lot of those old mods wouldn't stand up to the type of stuff we see today. It's interesting to see how addons have matured along with WoW itself. |
| 19:42.30 | Esamynn|work | incredibly so |
| 19:43.36 | Esamynn|work | honestly, in a way, the great addon extinction of WoW 2.0 was probably good for the community in the long run |
| 19:43.58 | Neffi_ | I think it's somewhat healthy that things break every once in a while |
| 19:44.22 | Esamynn|work | honestly, I haven't had one of my own stuff break seriously in years |
| 19:44.31 | Neffi_ | Because even minor breaks -- sure fan updates crop up, but that's when the community gets the idea that they need to start looking for alternatives. And that leads them to new and better stuff, and leads developers to make better alternatives. |
| 19:44.37 | nebula169 | now they need to break everything again and introduce a properly namespaced object system! |
| 19:44.44 | Esamynn|work | hahaha |
| 19:44.50 | Neffi_ | if only |
| 19:44.57 | Neffi_ | I could see a lot of developers walking away |
| 19:45.03 | Esamynn|work | I miss slouken |
| 19:45.17 | Neffi_ | I like to think he enjoys greener pastures |
| 19:45.19 | nebula169 | he works for valve now, doesn't he |
| 19:45.21 | Neffi_ | Is he still at.. Valve? |
| 19:45.25 | Esamynn|work | afaik |
| 19:45.32 | Esamynn|work | Cairenn would know for sure |
| 19:45.37 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 19:46.00 | Neffi_ | Back in the Slouken days we could actually get feedback on the official UI forum about bugs and coding issues |
| 19:46.42 | Esamynn|work | you mean before it was inundated by the users and the signal to noise ratio went in the toilet? |
| 19:46.46 | Neffi_ | I thought it'd still be the same, and I posted an API bug back at the start of MOP. The other players in the forum were confused as hell that I was posting it, and said I'm not going to get a response. I didn't. |
| 19:46.53 | Neffi_ | Pretty much |
| 19:47.24 | Esamynn|work | would probably wouldn't see a response anymore, doesn't mean it wasn't seen though |
| 19:47.38 | Neffi_ | Well I don't remember it being fixed |
| 19:47.41 | Neffi_ | I gave up on using it |
| 19:47.45 | Esamynn|work | the current UI devs don't have the time to spend posting in the forums themselves |
| 19:48.17 | Neffi_ | I imagine it's like that |
| 19:48.23 | Esamynn|work | there are members of the community that help filter and channel that kind of stuff to them now |
| 19:49.00 | Neffi_ | Well I'm still convinced that at least one person in this channel is a WoW developer |
| 19:49.06 | Neffi_ | =P |
| 19:49.21 | Esamynn|work | I can neither confirm nor deny your suspicions |
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| 19:49.31 | Neffi_ | That's such a professional thing to say |
| 19:49.33 | Neffi_ | nudge, nudge |
| 19:49.36 | Esamynn|work | (I am not) |
| 19:49.39 | Neffi_ | lol |
| 19:49.59 | Neffi_ | If it were me I wouldn't tell the general population |
| 19:50.41 | Neffi_ | Would be a nightmare if everyone knew they could reach a WoW dev so conveniently |
| 19:50.50 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 19:51.38 | Esamynn|work | anyways, on the topic of the API bug, if you still have the details and it wasn't fixed there are places you can get the info passed along |
| 19:52.01 | Neffi_ | I don't remember honestly |
| 19:52.04 | Cairenn | raises a hand |
| 19:52.05 | Neffi_ | It'd probably fixed by now |
| 19:52.23 | Cairenn | (re Esamynn's last comment) |
| 19:52.41 | Esamynn|work | all hail Queen Cairenn |
| 19:52.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:52.48 | Neffi_ | heh |
| 19:55.25 | Neffi_ | The things you find browing random: http://i.imgur.com/lfrGd.png |
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| 20:53.07 | Semlar | askmrrobot is just loading forever :[ |
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| 21:08.14 | Neffi_ | http://i.imgur.com/lpAS52Z.jpg |
| 21:08.29 | Neffi_ | To Europeans: what the hell is so significant about your cabbage trade? |
| 21:09.12 | Fisker | we're not illiterate |
| 21:09.14 | Fisker | buuuuurn |
| 21:12.06 | Semlar | anyone have any idea how to figure out if it's worth breaking my 4 piece to upgrade one of my items |
| 21:13.18 | Neffi_ | I'm looking to explain to somebody why smartphones are being more tightly integrated in terms of internals/SoC |
| 21:13.29 | Neffi_ | Things like die shrinks, power draw, performance, etc |
| 21:13.41 | Neffi_ | Anyone know some resources that explain these things close to laymen terms? |
| 21:14.24 | Semlar | r/explainlikeimfive |
| 21:21.37 | Neffi_ | http://imgur.com/gallery/pfVCe |
| 21:22.10 | Neffi_ | I'm mostly trying to explain why something like this isn't a reality not because The Big Corporations are Too Dumb or Too Greedy to make it happen, but that they can't |
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| 21:36.29 | pompy | Seerah: welp http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-boardwalk-engulfed-flames-months-rebuilding/story?id=20241249 |
| 21:36.42 | Seerah | well then |
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| 21:49.47 | pompy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/10870162/Coming_Soon_World_of_Warcraft_Trivial_Pursuit-9_6_2013 lol |
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| 22:32.09 | Gnarfoz | anyone seens this kind of error since 5.4? http://www.wowace.com/paste/8501/ |
| 22:32.40 | Xandr | Is there a way to globally blacklist a certain addon from being loaded? like through the config.wtf or something? The stupid Razer Synapse 2.0 keeps installing their addons and you can't turn it off. if I should ever create a new character and forget to turn the addon off it'll mess up my keybinds :S |
| 22:33.22 | Coote | can you go in and pretty much blank the addons and save them? |
| 22:33.26 | Gnarfoz | uninstall razer synapse 2.0 |
| 22:33.44 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:34.01 | Gnarfoz | also, just have it be there, but remove all file permissions from it |
| 22:34.13 | Xandr | already tried creating zero-byte files and setting owner to root:wheel with no access rights to anyone. |
| 22:34.16 | Gnarfoz | (I don't think there's a WoW way to do it, to answer your question) |
| 22:34.20 | Gnarfoz | lol linux |
| 22:34.24 | Xandr | no, lol mac |
| 22:34.32 | Gnarfoz | same deal |
| 22:34.57 | Gnarfoz | and how does it put files there, then? |
| 22:34.59 | Gnarfoz | if it has no access |
| 22:35.12 | Xandr | sadly uninstalling synapse is no option since that's the only way to make the tiltwheel on the naga work correctly. without their crappy drivers it's detected as scroll up/down instead of tilt left/right :( |
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| 22:37.41 | Gnarfoz | and the "put files somewhere" routine is part of the driver? |
| 22:37.48 | Xandr | seems like it |
| 22:37.49 | Gnarfoz | or part of some additional software |
| 22:38.05 | Xandr | already checked the contents of the synapse app bundle and the addon files aren't anywhere in there |
| 22:38.11 | Gnarfoz | o_o |
| 22:38.28 | Gnarfoz | well, there's probably a real solution |
| 22:38.29 | Gnarfoz | but |
| 22:38.44 | Gnarfoz | sell it get something from a competitor who doesn't shit all over your filesystem |
| 22:39.00 | Gnarfoz | hell, return it if it's a recent acquisition |
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| 22:45.25 | jleclanche | nevcairiel: ping |
| 22:48.07 | Arrowmaster | Xandr: that sounds terrible, why are the default drivers so shitty |
| 22:52.11 | TC-Work | zenzelezz: Ignoring the fact that it is 4 hours later, the hello kitty stuff was someone else. |
| 23:20.58 | Neffi_ | 740+ |
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| 23:43.10 | TC-Work | "Some of the most popular names among races, each with around 200 instances, were Sephiroth (Blood Elves), Arthas (Human) Druid (Druids...come on) and Frostitute (Mage)." |
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| 23:58.18 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/xbox-one-xbone-domain-microsoft/ |
