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| 03:14.15 | Shirik_ | hiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 03:14.37 | kd3 | too angry for words? |
| 03:14.46 | Shirik_ | ? |
| 03:15.19 | Shirik_ | angry about what? |
| 03:15.32 | kd3 | read that as a shrill high-pitched "HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" |
| 03:18.01 | Neffi | heh http://imgur.com/gallery/IYBV25I |
| 03:28.45 | Neffi | what the hell happened to Disney man? http://imgur.com/gallery/Dxe8S |
| 03:28.50 | Neffi | they used to be so awesome |
| 03:49.50 | pompy | yeah then they found out their logo was being used in this sense! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=676976285665706&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 |
| 03:54.51 | pompy | http://beerlake.net/dump/ninja-cop.gif |
| 04:01.04 | Clamsoda | Russians man... |
| 04:05.28 | karl_w_w | seems fake |
| 04:06.11 | karl_w_w | why are all those people watching already |
| 04:09.33 | Neffi | Possibly the cops were already organized at the spot and waiting for the car to pull up |
| 04:09.56 | Neffi | IME when you see many cops waiting around somewhere, people stop to see what's up |
| 04:10.16 | Neffi | Though it probably is fake |
| 04:33.52 | karl_w_w | changelog lols: - I may have fixed some bugs. Or maybe that was a dream. Hard to recall whilst under Benadryl's spell. |
| 04:36.55 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 04:38.48 | Neffi | Benadryl is pretty serious man |
| 04:39.22 | Neffi | Gets me drowzy as hell. I think it honestly impares me more than hard drugs. |
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| 04:53.25 | karl_w_w | somebody suggest a comedic song to me |
| 04:53.39 | karl_w_w | actually i might know what to play anyway |
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| 04:55.01 | karl_w_w | but keep them suggestions coming :P |
| 04:56.58 | iShirik | It's called "I don't give a fuck" |
| 04:57.09 | iShirik | League of legends parody |
| 04:59.54 | karl_w_w | I don't believe you |
| 05:00.21 | iShirik | Seriously |
| 05:00.26 | iShirik | Look it up on YouTube |
| 05:00.28 | iShirik | Fun song |
| 05:02.36 | karl_w_w | can't find it |
| 05:06.17 | iShirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUNYDGu_fyU |
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| 05:19.14 | karl_w_w | pretty good :P |
| 05:28.52 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 05:28.55 | Fisker | and hey iShirik |
| 05:30.47 | Neffi | Ah. That feeling when you started downloading a movie a while ago, forgot, began trying to resolve your boredom, and then see the notification that it's finished. |
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| 05:32.59 | Neffi | Overshadowed by that feeling when you chose the 6 GB rip instead of the 2 GB one and it has numerous encoding artifacts. |
| 05:41.26 | karl_w_w | ive never seen that happen |
| 05:44.50 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY loll |
| 05:44.55 | Aeger73 | anyone have a minute to look at a function I'm gaving a problem with? |
| 05:44.58 | Aeger73 | https://github.com/aeger/AegerUI/blob/master/setup.lua |
| 05:45.10 | Aeger73 | lfunction starts at line 85 |
| 05:45.41 | Aeger73 | Torhal was helping me last night and I think SetupFrame.is_complete = nil |
| 05:45.44 | Aeger73 | is the issue |
| 05:46.21 | Aeger73 | I tried changing it to true and 1 and setting the savedvariable in toc to SetupFrame.is_complete and just is_complete |
| 05:46.51 | Aeger73 | its not saving the state and just bringing up the setup frame over and over |
| 05:47.00 | Neffi | is SetupFrame.is_complete ever set to true? |
| 05:47.18 | Aeger73 | not on any of the code Torhal did |
| 05:47.25 | Aeger73 | I tried true though |
| 05:47.29 | Neffi | I don't ever see that happen in this code |
| 05:47.36 | Neffi | What does "is_complete" signify? |
| 05:47.52 | Aeger73 | that setup was done |
| 05:48.26 | Neffi | It seems that DoSetup should mark it true, no? |
| 05:48.38 | Aeger73 | yes thats what I thought |
| 05:48.48 | Aeger73 | I changed it to true and it didnt work |
| 05:48.58 | Neffi | Well you also ReloadUI after that |
| 05:49.17 | Neffi | I'm trying to understand what the code is doing without going into a complete trace by hand |
| 05:49.45 | Aeger73 | it sets up bartender profiles and how many bars to display and if topmenu is visible |
| 05:49.55 | Aeger73 | its only supposed to run first time you login with that character |
| 05:50.28 | Neffi | Then I see no reason why you're ever doing "is_complete = nil" |
| 05:50.30 | Aeger73 | The TOC file he never got to updating that last night |
| 05:50.45 | Aeger73 | I think thats the missing component |
| 05:51.11 | Neffi | On VARIABLES_LOADED (or PLAYER_LOGIN) you should check your saved variables (not SetupFrame) to see if is_complete is true. If not's NOT true, you run SomeFunctionToPerformSetup(), when then marks your saved variable entry for is_complete to true |
| 05:51.25 | Aeger73 | what should the saved vriable be with SetupFrame.is_complete = true |
| 05:51.34 | Neffi | I dont see how SetupFrame could hold a persistent value |
| 05:51.47 | Neffi | You're creating it fresh. SavedVariables won't hold that. |
| 05:51.54 | Neffi | Your SV should be something like... |
| 05:51.58 | Neffi | let me do a paste real quick |
| 05:53.01 | Aeger73 | yes thats how I had it seup before he was helping. I guess I dont understand where he was going with that |
| 05:53.12 | Aeger73 | the rest of his changes are brilliant |
| 05:55.38 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/820rFVR8 |
| 05:55.55 | Neffi | If I understand what you're trying to do, you're over-engineering it |
| 05:56.43 | Aeger73 | thanks looking it over now |
| 05:56.45 | Neffi | SavedVariables won't hold a value inside a frame like SetupFrame. You want to give it its own table, like I did. |
| 05:57.07 | Neffi | Oh and localize or namespace those functions, obviously |
| 05:58.43 | Neffi | If you're manipulating the profile of a different addon, it may be necessary to defer what I'm doing in VARIABLES_LOADED to PLAYER_LOGIN or PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD instead -- to ensure that the other addon (Bartender?) has finished fully initializing and is reading to be modified by your code |
| 05:59.31 | Neffi | And always make sure your SavedVariables variable is global, not local |
| 05:59.40 | Neffi | It needs to be a true global, not sitting inside something else |
| 06:01.00 | Neffi | Hmm, also do not create the contents of SetupFrame in its OnShow, because that's asking for a bug to appear and cause it to be created over and over. Create the contents along with the frame itself. |
| 06:01.37 | karl_w_w | you need to check the arg on variables_loaded |
| 06:01.39 | Neffi | Like I said, you can avoid creating frames you don't need by defering their creation to the functions that begin using them |
| 06:01.47 | karl_w_w | because it fires for each addon |
| 06:02.32 | Neffi | I would also recommend you create a secondary frame like event_frame for handling events, and not having your SetupFrame handle your events. It separates the logic of the two systems cleanly and allows the code to be better understood, and more accurately represent intention. |
| 06:02.55 | Aeger73 | I have it firing on PLAYER_LOGIN and CINEMATIC_START AND CINEMATIC_STOP |
| 06:03.07 | Neffi | Consider "frames" general purpose devices that can create GUIs OR listen to events. Sometimes they need to do both, but many times they should be two separate things. |
| 06:03.26 | Neffi | I don't know what CINEMATIC_START/STOP are, but from what I gather definitely don't use them |
| 06:04.06 | Neffi | I use VARIABLES_LOADED for general-purpose loadtime initialization. Other people prefer ADDON_LOADED, both work fine. PLAYER_LOGIN is my next choice is VARIABLES_LOADED turns out to be happening too early. And then PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is my next choice after that. |
| 06:04.48 | Neffi | You know these events won't change and always mean what they mean. CINEMATIC_START/STOP have their own semantics and reason for existence, which may change in the future -- and even if they don't change, they still don't represent the intention of what the code is actually doing. |
| 06:05.33 | Neffi | Keep things as close to the core of what they're intended to achieve |
| 06:05.39 | Neffi | Even if the alternative works fine |
| 06:06.53 | Neffi | Oh and by the way, if you use PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, de-register the event after it first fires, because it may or may not fire again at some point -- like when porting into a BG. (Some references claim it does, but I've never tested that -- I've always deregistered to be safe) |
| 06:07.40 | Aeger73 | thanks for all of this if I'm quiet its cuse im in notepad++ now modifying things |
| 06:07.42 | Neffi | karl_w_w: How's the weather down under? ;) |
| 06:07.55 | karl_w_w | er, fine? |
| 06:08.21 | Neffi | No problem at all. I'm gonna be in and out of the channel all night probably. If you want some more specific assistance, throw me a message. I'll see it eventually if not right away. |
| 06:10.25 | Neffi | AFK a few. There are sounds of a demon spawn straight out of a horror movie outside my window. May have to scare away a largish animal. |
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| 06:12.49 | Neffi | Christ. I think there's gunfire in the park a block or so away. Not getting mixed up in that shit. |
| 06:15.36 | karl_w_w | go down there with a megaphone and tell them to chill the fuck out |
| 06:15.51 | Neffi | haha |
| 06:16.06 | Cairenn | 911 |
| 06:16.13 | Neffi | I heard police sirens. Based on the strange loud growling, I'm gonna guess it's zombies or feral dogs. |
| 06:16.19 | Cairenn | Ah |
| 06:16.33 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 06:16.42 | bluspacecow | A Cairenn appears! |
| 06:16.49 | Cairenn | LIES! |
| 06:16.59 | Neffi | I knew we had feral dogs that roamed this area at night, but I know they've always kept incredibly tame. It's pretty dense urban-suburban landscape. This is definitely strage. |
| 06:17.24 | bluspacecow | *hands Neffi a loofer* |
| 06:17.34 | Neffi | has no idea what a loofer is. |
| 06:17.49 | bluspacecow | I have it on good authority that both feral dogs and zombies are afraid of loofers |
| 06:18.46 | Neffi | I bought a lotto ticket out of the blue for I dont know what damned reason. Maybe the gods told me to buy it just before the zombie outbreak to taunt me. |
| 06:19.25 | Neffi | I mean, I was joking that my odds of dying were higher than winning. Did I jinx myself? |
| 06:20.17 | bluspacecow | http://www.e4.com/media/33A7AA81-572E-4741-9704-F580BB23120E_extra.jpg |
| 06:20.22 | bluspacecow | that thing he's holding |
| 06:20.24 | bluspacecow | is a loofer |
| 06:20.40 | Neffi | A luffa? |
| 06:20.46 | bluspacecow | yeah! |
| 06:21.50 | Neffi | Good thinking. Maybe the zombies are afraid of the scent of the dead surface skin. Or maybe when I scrub off the horny layer, the red, irritated skin underneath will give the appearance of being near death and they'll avoid me. |
| 06:21.58 | Neffi | afraid -> attracted to |
| 06:22.32 | Neffi | Seriously though, scrubbing yourself like that is pretty bad for you |
| 06:22.33 | bluspacecow | no they're just scared of bathing |
| 06:22.54 | bluspacecow | also there's developments in the Benjamin Bell vs Blizzard Entertainment Authenticator case |
| 06:23.08 | bluspacecow | but I left my letter from the Pacer system with my Pacer login at home :( |
| 06:23.10 | Dagmar | A judge asked for him to have a psych eval? |
| 06:23.12 | Neffi | The guy who was suing for not including the authenticator by default? |
| 06:23.32 | Dagmar | Psht. As if his argument were even that sensible |
| 06:24.00 | bluspacecow | PROTECTIVE ORDER by Magistrate Judge Patrick J. Walsh re Stipulation for Protective Order, 58 . (ca |
| 06:24.10 | Dagmar | Fucker is trying to imply that Blizzard is engaging in lax security practices in order to drive players to buy the authenticator as an extra source of income |
| 06:24.15 | Aeger73 | just commited your change suggestions. Its working now. https://github.com/aeger/AegerUI/blob/master/setup.lua |
| 06:24.19 | Neffi | I wonder if Blizzard bothered to get expert computer-security witnesses who can testify to the obsurdity of that claim. |
| 06:24.26 | bluspacecow | he apparently isn't included in the class that's suing as he wasn't a paid customer of Blizzard at the time the Authenticators come out. |
| 06:24.44 | Dagmar | An _accountant_ can testify as to the absurdity of that |
| 06:25.11 | Dagmar | Dot coms have fucked up buisness models based on wishful thinking and no income, but very few actually just _give_ users money |
| 06:25.27 | Neffi | Aeger73: Line 35+ should fail. What is `self` in this sense? |
| 06:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard really should do something about authenticators, but i can't really think what |
| 06:28.06 | Mr_Rabies | bundling them with every new expansion would be insanely wasteful, maybe in the battle chest? |
| 06:29.06 | Aeger73 | I'll change it, it did work correctly though the logo and buttons all appeared and everything setup right |
| 06:29.13 | bluspacecow | they don't own the patent and can only get a limited supply at once from the Manufacturer |
| 06:29.25 | Neffi | that sucks |
| 06:29.26 | bluspacecow | and they always sell out when they put them on the store |
| 06:29.43 | Dagmar | Well, to be perfectly honest with you... If you're a computer-savvy user who actually follows proper electronic hygiene procedures, you do not need an authenticator. |
| 06:29.52 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 06:30.04 | bluspacecow | proper electronic hygiene ? |
| 06:30.15 | bluspacecow | like using an electronic hanky after visiting porn sites ? |
| 06:30.31 | Dagmar | Unfortunately, there's about ten million ignorant assholes out there who think it's okay to download cursors from Romania twice a week and figure they windex the keyboard every once in awhile so it's clean enough |
| 06:30.35 | bluspacecow | UseHany("pink)); |
| 06:31.09 | bluspacecow | http://www.wvsd.uscourts.gov/mdl2327/caseviewlist.aspx |
| 06:31.17 | bluspacecow | " Pelvic Repair System " |
| 06:31.18 | Neffi | If anything I would go so far as to say WoW's security is overly cautious |
| 06:31.19 | Mr_Rabies | not entirely true, dagmar, but the need is certainly diminished |
| 06:31.20 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 06:31.21 | Dagmar | ...and nine million of them will swear up and down they've never done anything risky or even told their ex-girlfriend that their password was her middle name, when the time comes to figure out how they lost control of their password. |
| 06:31.43 | Neffi | As soon as I login from a new IP, even on the web acct management page, I get immediately locked out and forced to confirm identity. |
| 06:32.19 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: I have yet to notice anyone getting into Blizzards system and stealing cyphertexts, nor any credible story about anyone's password being brute-forced |
| 06:32.38 | bluspacecow | https://ia700709.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.546991/gov.uscourts.cacd.546991.docket.html |
| 06:32.41 | Neffi | I could see breeches happening, but to suggest Blizz is at fault because of things that are simply out of their control -- like your local machine being compromised or you beign blatantly bad at security -- is ridiculous. |
| 06:32.59 | Dagmar | Neffi: Very |
| 06:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | well, there was the thing about the bnet site getting hacked and possible login data stolen, but a simple password change could correct that |
| 06:33.34 | Dagmar | The only change that guy's case has is if no one in the room is willing to say that most people have a shitty idea of what constitutes safe computing practices. |
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| 06:33.46 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm not saying the guy has a leg to stand on, at all |
| 06:33.55 | Dagmar | Because if everyone's a perfect angel, then clearly Blizzard is selling user's passwords to the Chinese for pillaging |
| 06:34.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying it's probably in blizzard's best interest to make sure everyone has an authenticator |
| 06:34.16 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: That's why they're subsidized |
| 06:34.27 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure Blizz is _losing_ money on each one they sell |
| 06:34.33 | Mr_Rabies | theoretically |
| 06:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | on paper, in short form |
| 06:34.39 | Mr_Rabies | however |
| 06:34.49 | Mr_Rabies | long-term, authenticators save them so much money in support staffing |
| 06:35.10 | Dagmar | I've set up those systems a few times for companies. I've never seen a per-seat licence cost as low as what Blizz is selling them for |
| 06:35.16 | bluspacecow | yes there were very forthcoming about what data was copied. and what they were doing about it. Their _one_ comprimise |
| 06:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they're likely selling them at a loss on paper |
| 06:36.17 | Mr_Rabies | however, the money saved by knocking out a percentage of high-priority tickets for each authenticator sold more than makes up for their small loss |
| 06:36.19 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure Blizz is losing money by at least $2-3/token on the things, just because it saves them money not having to burn two man-hours sorting out someone's manual account recover and toon fixin' |
| 06:36.26 | bluspacecow | but saving money in the long run from not having to confirm and restore peoples gear/gold lost to hackers |
| 06:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | exactly, yeah |
| 06:37.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i'm saying it should be easy for even uninformed players to have them |
| 06:37.01 | Dagmar | I think they should tkae another approach |
| 06:37.04 | Mr_Rabies | new players, etc |
| 06:37.38 | Dagmar | Spend sixty or seventy grand giving me a budget and some travel vouchers, and I'll supply my own travel papers, and shoot some fucking gold sellers in the head |
| 06:37.43 | Mr_Rabies | bundle them with the battle chests, and i bet they actually would make more profit than waiting for people to buy them |
| 06:37.56 | Dagmar | Divide that by eight million players, and it's even cheaper |
| 06:37.59 | Dagmar | :) |
| 06:38.01 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 06:38.03 | Mr_Rabies | the issue is |
| 06:38.20 | Mr_Rabies | cybercrime is a big deal, the more successful stuff is pretty much organized crime |
| 06:38.58 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not peak mafia dangerous, but possibly modern yakuza dangerous |
| 06:39.02 | Dagmar | This is why I feel an armed response is appropriate. |
| 06:39.08 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 06:39.16 | bluspacecow | do you mean include in the cost of the new expansion |
| 06:39.25 | bluspacecow | i would love to see how that would go down with the player base. |
| 06:39.34 | Dagmar | Yes. all the users pay an extra dollar, and I'll go kill a few company heads. |
| 06:39.42 | Mr_Rabies | no, just the battle chests that include the base game + 'free' expansions |
| 06:39.48 | bluspacecow | "you mean i has to pay more for my expansion as some morons can't secure their computers" - player with an authenticator |
| 06:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | including it in expansions would overall be throwing money out the window |
| 06:40.12 | Dagmar | Yeah that's the other problem with the jackass' argument |
| 06:40.40 | Dagmar | People who are actually treating their computer and account credentials with respect don't really have any need to pay that money for the hard token |
| 06:41.13 | Mr_Rabies | perhaps with the expansions include a code that discounts half the cost of an authenticator on the blizzard store, one use per bnet account |
| 06:41.44 | Mr_Rabies | covered in pictures of authenticators, maybe, so that people are reminded they need one and hey, coupon |
| 06:41.49 | Dagmar | That only really makes sense if they have margin to sacrifice |
| 06:42.16 | Dagmar | Why would you want to promote a thing that is essentially a write-off, since there is *no* extra benefit to bringing them in thte door |
| 06:42.18 | Mr_Rabies | if not, you can't really spend like $3 on anything on the bnet store, so they might use their code on a $10 pet that's more than paid for itself at this point |
| 06:42.51 | Dagmar | It's not like they're going to buy the hard token becuase of the discount and then say "Well, while I'm here... Gimme two more copies of Burning Crusade and a Wrath, please" |
| 06:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | basically subsidize the authenticator further by incentivizing people without them to get them, but the extra bnet store sales will pay for them |
| 06:43.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying that blizzard probably saves over 10x the cost of an authenticator by making the authenticators readily available |
| 06:44.00 | Mr_Rabies | sure, the app is always there for those with smartphones |
| 06:44.55 | Dagmar | I suspect any complex promoting they'd do of it would just mean more assholes filing lawsuits |
| 06:44.55 | Mr_Rabies | but everyone really should have one at this point |
| 06:45.11 | Mr_Rabies | possibly, but that's what lawyers are for |
| 06:45.18 | Dagmar | Oh god no |
| 06:45.20 | Aeger73 | doh, I was modifying the GIT folder and not in my addon folder for in game. No wonder my changes not showing lol |
| 06:45.26 | Dagmar | Lawyers are the symptom. They are not the cure. |
| 06:45.31 | Dagmar | Bullets are a cure. |
| 06:49.28 | Aeger73 | Neffi: if I move all of the contents of the setupframe up to were its created do i need to have all of the elements like the backdrop and log start with their own createframe command? If I just have createtexture like now it errors on createtexture being a global |
| 06:52.59 | Xinhuan | i actually know a number of people who lost their bnet accounts because of the mobile authenticator |
| 06:53.24 | Dagmar | They should be pickier about what they install on their phone. |
| 06:53.29 | Xinhuan | basically their phone got bricked/wiped/changed (usually way after they quit playing their bnet games) |
| 06:53.49 | Xinhuan | so at the time of changing phones, the last thing that came to mind would be about the bnet authenticator app |
| 06:53.59 | bluspacecow | and they never called support to get it worked out ? |
| 06:54.06 | Dagmar | They failed. You can remove an authenticator from your account just fine. |
| 06:54.09 | Xinhuan | and to anyone living outside the US playing on US servers |
| 06:54.15 | Xinhuan | it is a _huge hassle_ |
| 06:54.20 | Xinhuan | to call tech support to remove it |
| 06:54.31 | bluspacecow | there's a form for that |
| 06:54.34 | Xinhuan | not only is it a huge hassle, its also a costly call if it isn't internet based |
| 06:54.37 | Dagmar | I suppose with a bricked phone it's difficult to make a phone call, but it took me fifteen minutes |
| 06:54.48 | Dagmar | Perhaps your idea of "huge hassle" is a hell of a lot smaller than mine. |
| 06:54.52 | Xinhuan | well i said "outside of US" |
| 06:55.01 | Xinhuan | because blizzard also requires you to send in photo ID |
| 06:55.02 | Neffi | Anyone have experience with AMD APUs? |
| 06:55.25 | Dagmar | Neffi: I have mine disabled |
| 06:55.31 | Neffi | A friend of mine badly needs a new laptop, but his budget is low. He's talking about trying to buy refurb for $300US or under. |
| 06:55.52 | Dagmar | That sounds more like netbook territory |
| 06:55.57 | Neffi | What I see in that range is Celeron, Atom and AMD E-series. I've had terrible experience with Celerons and Atoms are pretty terrible. |
| 06:56.06 | Dagmar | ...although there's some low-end laptops that might reach that low, I wouldn't use them for gaming |
| 06:56.22 | Dagmar | Atoms work fine, but they're _not_ for gaming |
| 06:56.27 | Xinhuan | which means 1. finding a scanner, or a friend with a scanner, or otherwise taking a photo of your ID 2. the ID needs to match the signup ID - some of my friends don't match since their accounts were created before authenticators were introduced |
| 06:56.46 | Neffi | He and his son will be using it heavily for office stuff, job-related shit, and the like. But I want to set him up with something that will handle general use without a hiccup, and GPU-accelerated 720p video. |
| 06:56.56 | Neffi | His son has his PS3 for gaming. |
| 06:57.02 | Dagmar | Neffi: Intel GPu chipset then |
| 06:57.31 | Neffi | I don't mind trying out different decoders to find one that fits the AMD APU. I just figure maybe they're better off than a Celeron. |
| 06:57.54 | Xinhuan | i also need to make "xin zhao" not ping me on IRC |
| 06:57.55 | Dagmar | 720p should be doable with just about anything reasonably modern that claims to have a GPU |
| 06:57.55 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 06:58.13 | Dagmar | I can do it on my ancient Vaio |
| 06:58.18 | Neffi | He's been using a computer that's shit slow and it's frustrating for them. I want something that's not gonna stall out when Libre or MS office load up or decide to do intense work for fuck knows what reason. |
| 06:58.30 | Dagmar | Neffi: Ubuntu. :) |
| 06:58.55 | Dagmar | The laptop I use at work is a dual-core 2.4Ghz machine, and Microsoft still lags it out |
| 06:58.58 | bluspacecow | ...... |
| 06:59.08 | bluspacecow | i recorded my PACER login in my google docs |
| 06:59.09 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 06:59.24 | Neffi | I'd consider setting them up with Fedora or Mint or maybe seeing if Elementary is nicer nowadays. But IME Windows 7 is smoother with multimedia, so if it's fast enough to handle office work fluidly then I'll probably stick with 7. |
| 06:59.26 | Fisker | why bluspacecow ? |
| 06:59.54 | Neffi | I mean, YouTube on Linux is not wonderful |
| 07:00.14 | Neffi | So thoughts on E-series APU vs Celeron? |
| 07:00.25 | bluspacecow | because Rabbits , Bunnies and Fornicating Rabbi Fisker |
| 07:00.31 | Dagmar | Hell, hit up a few stores and poke at their display models |
| 07:00.57 | Neffi | I'll look into benchmarks too, but IME benchmarks are usually a really bad indication of real-world performance when you're dealing with low-intensity applications. |
| 07:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | i got hacked once because i thought that the now-defunct (i wonder why) dial-in authenticator was valid protection |
| 07:03.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty sure they got into my gmail via brute force, first, though |
| 07:03.14 | Dagmar | they had a _dial-in_ version? *boggle* |
| 07:03.24 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 07:03.27 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, you had to call a number if you logged in from a different enough location |
| 07:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | but otherwise it let you login fine |
| 07:03.37 | Xinhuan | how did the dial in one work? |
| 07:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | apparently, china is close enough to atlanta to not merit a call |
| 07:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | it didn't, basically, Xinhuan |
| 07:03.55 | Mr_Rabies | which is why it's now defunct |
| 07:04.01 | bluspacecow | nah the dial in version was just the SMS protect thing |
| 07:04.03 | Xinhuan | how was it supposed to work? |
| 07:04.06 | bluspacecow | but with a dumb ass name |
| 07:04.11 | Mr_Rabies | sorta |
| 07:04.11 | Dagmar | No, more likely the criminals involved weren't really bothered by the idea of spoofing ANI |
| 07:04.27 | Mr_Rabies | you had to call them, type the code on screen via touch tone |
| 07:04.33 | Mr_Rabies | then it'd give you a code to type in |
| 07:04.47 | Mr_Rabies | but only if you logged in from somewhere far away from your normal login |
| 07:04.57 | Dagmar | Yeah the only way that could possibly be working would be ANI. Basically, checking against caller ID |
| 07:05.02 | Mr_Rabies | ANI, dagmar? |
| 07:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 07:05.04 | Xinhuan | so if they VPNed or proxied to a locaction near you |
| 07:05.07 | Xinhuan | it would be defeated? |
| 07:05.20 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 07:05.22 | Dagmar | ...or if they knew your phone number already and so much as ran their own PBX. |
| 07:05.26 | Mr_Rabies | if it worked properly, no |
| 07:05.42 | Dagmar | It is still not hard to spoof caller ID information |
| 07:05.44 | Mr_Rabies | dagmar, it asked for the code based on your login location, not the call location |
| 07:05.57 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: yes, but what is the phone call supposed to prove, then? |
| 07:06.00 | Mr_Rabies | it basically just didn't ask the guys from china to type in a code because apparently they were close enough |
| 07:06.13 | Dagmar | That's you're capable of pushing buttons on a phone without swallowing it? |
| 07:06.16 | Mr_Rabies | i think there was a bit more to it but i can't remember |
| 07:06.34 | Dagmar | I think they probably called the number it said to, faked the caller ID, and typed in the stuff |
| 07:06.36 | Mr_Rabies | i think maybe onscreen code + saved pin + code given to you |
| 07:07.54 | Mr_Rabies | ah yeah |
| 07:07.57 | Mr_Rabies | that's what it was |
| 07:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/1113829 |
| 07:08.59 | Mr_Rabies | basically, blizzard's unusual login attempts thing is pretty flawed and i was kinda dumb to have believed in it |
| 07:09.14 | Mr_Rabies | but on the other hand, i lost nothing on my wow account and realized my gmail account had been compromised |
| 07:09.24 | Mr_Rabies | this was mere months before google authenticator, too ;( |
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| 07:09.58 | Dagmar | It also pretty easy to get a target IP range of your choosing if you're into botnets |
| 07:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i guess that's true, but how would they know which range to choose? |
| 07:10.40 | Mr_Rabies | i guess if you're rapidfiring it you could go through multiples quickly |
| 07:10.41 | Dagmar | Gmail has a log |
| 07:10.58 | Dagmar | Dig around in there and it'll show you the IP of the last few logins you made |
| 07:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i guess you could check the gmail login log, get that info, then use a close ip |
| 07:11.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's actually how i found out i was compromised from china :p |
| 07:11.47 | Dagmar | Unless one is paranoid, proper security discipline will seem hard. |
| 07:11.53 | Mr_Rabies | seems like a lot of work to me, i'd think most of these processes would be automated |
| 07:12.04 | Dagmar | People can always find a reason to cut a corner here, reuse a password there... etc etc |
| 07:12.22 | Dagmar | I find it annoying as hell, but I have to be paranoid |
| 07:12.22 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i have awful memory so i do reuse passwords pretty often, even now |
| 07:12.36 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Get an app. Make backups of the database, regularly |
| 07:12.49 | Mr_Rabies | i use lastpass, but i'm a bit paranoid about that now |
| 07:12.59 | Dagmar | I could *not* keep track of all these passwords without KeePass |
| 07:13.01 | Mr_Rabies | and the apps are oh so inconvenient |
| 07:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | instead i just use unique passwords for high priority stuff with payment attached/money spent on the account for the most part |
| 07:13.53 | Mr_Rabies | and write down the unique ones in a notebook in my room |
| 07:13.59 | Dagmar | I'm almost to the point with android that I'll maybe feel like I can take the password off my low-security database once I get my hands on an NFC ring |
| 07:14.08 | Mr_Rabies | not super secure, but if someone's breaking into my house, my passwords are my least concern |
| 07:14.13 | Dagmar | heh |
| 07:14.21 | Dagmar | THat's not an unreasonable assessment |
| 07:15.26 | Mr_Rabies | it is also a pretty inconspicuous notebook that's usually mixed with the rest of my cluttered room |
| 07:15.30 | Dagmar | I used to keep some in my wallet |
| 07:15.41 | Mr_Rabies | they'd probably just grab my xbox 360/cd case and run |
| 07:16.27 | Mr_Rabies | i had a total authenticator related headache the other day |
| 07:16.30 | bluspacecow | https://ecf.cacd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iqquerymenu.pl?546991 |
| 07:16.34 | Mr_Rabies | google authenticator for ios devices had a really bad update |
| 07:16.35 | bluspacecow | it no goey |
| 07:16.38 | bluspacecow | y it no goey |
| 07:16.49 | Mr_Rabies | that seemingly wiped all data saved |
| 07:16.57 | bluspacecow | ~fiskerslap https://ecf.cacd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iqquerymenu.pl?546991 |
| 07:16.57 | purl | ACTION slaps https://ecf.cacd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/iqquerymenu.pl?546991 around a bit with Fisker. |
| 07:17.03 | Dagmar | Wow I bet the CS reps had a great day from that |
| 07:17.07 | Mr_Rabies | apparently it didn't, but not after a painful experience with both dropbox and guild wars support |
| 07:17.24 | Fisker | loading bluspacecow |
| 07:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | the patch restored all keys, after i spent days working to get my authenticators removed |
| 07:17.41 | Mr_Rabies | gmail is easy enough, it can text a code to your phone and shazam, done |
| 07:17.45 | bluspacecow | it no loading for me Fisker :( |
| 07:17.50 | Dagmar | I was kinda upset i missed the NFC ring kickstarter until i saw they were going to have a titanium offering |
| 07:17.53 | Fisker | me neither bluspacecow |
| 07:17.54 | Fisker | owned |
| 07:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | i get into a total nervous wreck every time i have a security issue |
| 07:18.50 | Mr_Rabies | like, a few years back i had my credit card info stolen twice in a month |
| 07:19.08 | Mr_Rabies | now i mostly deal in cash and it's a total pain in the ass |
| 07:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing a local business had a compromised POS |
| 07:20.30 | Mr_Rabies | since i never used the second card online during the month window, but used it in physical stores |
| 07:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | also it was used in a physical store both times, though in seperate parts of the country |
| 07:21.24 | Mr_Rabies | the issuer for my credit union is pretty bad though, they change like...two digits from the old card when you get a new one |
| 07:21.43 | Mr_Rabies | always the same two |
| 07:22.17 | Mr_Rabies | not that credit cards are or ever were designed to be secure, but still |
| 07:22.33 | Mr_Rabies | a total pain in my butt and someone's on the hook for the ~$500 that was stolen |
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| 07:46.51 | bluspacecow | http://thebesthowto.com/stories/282/Cute-Monkey-Stealing-Snow---Funny.html |
| 07:47.18 | bluspacecow | http://cdn.fireelf.com/pics/21/Yes--Yes----This-Pleases-The-Cute-Owl.jpg |
| 07:47.38 | Fisker | morning tharper |
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| 08:20.46 | tharper | morning Fisker! |
| 08:21.06 | zenzelezz | holy hell.., "The Fox" has eight million views in five days... that must be the most successful thing ever to come out of Norway |
| 08:21.13 | tharper | hahaha |
| 08:21.16 | tharper | Yes |
| 08:22.19 | tharper | Their Dutch videos are fucking hilarious |
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| 08:38.52 | bluspacecow | http://cdn.fireelf.com/pics/21/Yes--Yes----This-Pleases-The-Cute-Owl.jpg |
| 08:39.02 | bluspacecow | better then Norway Chocolate ? |
| 08:39.17 | zenzelezz | do we export that? |
| 08:39.28 | Neffi | what, owls or chocolate? |
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| 09:33.06 | Neffi | Anyone else here considering delving into ESO modding if the game turns out to be worth it? |
| 09:33.27 | Neffi | (It'll be user-interface mods using Lua, similar to World of Warcraft, from what I gather) |
| 09:40.15 | Cairenn | We'll have a site for it |
| 09:40.24 | Cairenn | At least, we're currently planning on it |
| 09:48.06 | Xinhuan | i'm not hearing good things about ESO though :P |
| 09:48.39 | Xinhuan | FF14 is probably better, but the end-game hasn't been revealed yet |
| 09:48.57 | Fisker | I want Diablo 3 as an MMO |
| 09:49.26 | Xinhuan | oh god, i don't want to kill mephisto 1000 times for a random chance to upgrade my loot :P |
| 09:50.53 | Neffi | I've been hearing nothing but great things |
| 09:50.57 | nevcairiel | psh, there is no mephisto in diablo 3 |
| 09:51.08 | Cairenn | There's a ton of anticipation |
| 09:51.09 | Neffi | Wanna give me a source on these "not good things" Xinhuan? |
| 09:51.23 | Xinhuan | i don't have a "source" |
| 09:51.31 | Xinhuan | more like multiple different forum posts here and there |
| 09:51.33 | nevcairiel | but what do you do in wow? you kill the same bosses over and over for a chance to upgrade your loot |
| 09:51.41 | Neffi | The gameplay videos we've gotten look incredible. The detail of a TES game is definitely there. The reviewers are practically raving about it. |
| 09:51.41 | nevcairiel | all the games do that :P |
| 09:52.13 | Neffi | I'll not go on the opinion of a few forum pundits. Just look at WoW's forums. |
| 09:52.33 | Xinhuan | and the impression i have from all of these, and some reviews is that there isn't much to hype on |
| 09:52.45 | Neffi | Hell WoW pundits practically crucified the PvP developers back during what they NOW consider WoW PVP's glory days |
| 09:53.02 | Xinhuan | its like all the latest new everquest mmo hype about destructible terrain |
| 09:53.20 | nevcairiel | there are always people that just hype because it carries elder scrolls in its name, for example =p |
| 09:53.22 | Neffi | I havent seen them focus on any one feature and try to boast it like it's revolutionary |
| 09:53.25 | Xinhuan | but its not a new thing, and it isnt' that impressive beyond the first 2 or 3 times you experience it |
| 09:53.49 | Xinhuan | think of it like.. ummm, ravines and mineshafts in minecraft - once you've gone to one or two, yu've seen it all |
| 09:53.55 | Neffi | From what I've gathered they're taking a tried-and-true game paradigm, progressing it another notch like they did from Oblivion->Skyrim, and making it online. |
| 09:54.41 | Neffi | They haven't boasted about anything like it's some hype talking point. They seem to be keen on sticking to the essence of what makes the Elder Scrolls franchise |
| 09:55.06 | Neffi | And all reviews back up that they're doing it incredibly well |
| 09:55.15 | Xinhuan | i'm sorry, i'm just not impressed by what i saw so far, hence my opinion that it isn't going to be good |
| 09:55.27 | Neffi | Fair enough |
| 09:55.51 | Xinhuan | its a lot of basic gameplay, nothing out of the ordinary |
| 09:56.03 | Xinhuan | nothing to really set it apart |
| 09:56.04 | Neffi | I think it's gonna be important if nothing. Because a lot of MMOs to come out post-WoW and make even half a niche for themselves have essentially stuck to the core paradigm of WoW with adjustments here and there. |
| 09:57.02 | Xinhuan | also, i think the last think i read about it was about the 3 different modes of payment |
| 09:57.03 | Neffi | This is one of the few MMOs to come into the WoW-centric landscape that takes a completely different approach to an MMO. Not following in WoW's footsteps in terms of gameplay, combat and paradigm but sticking to its own roots and incorporating only what's essential to being an MMO. |
| 09:57.32 | Neffi | It's game purchase plus monthly fee, with a purely vanity shop. It's what World of Warcraft has always done. |
| 09:58.09 | Xinhuan | nah, i hear you can play the game completely free if you grind for certain in game items to sell in game, for game credit |
| 09:58.27 | Xinhuan | so yes, you can sub, or you can grind |
| 09:58.49 | Neffi | It's obviously a more funded game than the likes of Rift, so to expect it to be F2P I think is shortsighted. And I think unnecessary. If a game wants to be taken seriously in the landscape where WoW is like the Microsoft of MMOs, you can't hinge on the fact that it's just a cheaper alternative. You need to stand up and say "we're a great contender whether or not WoW is even there -- and we're worth the s |
| 09:58.50 | Neffi | ame monthly fee it is" |
| 09:59.03 | Neffi | That's completely false |
| 09:59.12 | Neffi | I've been following it quite closely. Nobody has even hinted at that. |
| 09:59.24 | Neffi | It's exactly the subscription model WoW follows, no more |
| 10:00.38 | Neffi | It probably won't hit the mass WoW has -- especially not in the first year or so. But I think it's definitely gonna pull in a loyal crowd and carve out much more than just a little Rift/Tera-like niche. |
| 10:01.12 | Xinhuan | hmm i think i mixed up wildstar payment models with ESO, my bad |
| 10:01.19 | Neffi | Definitely |
| 10:02.10 | Xinhuan | the main reason why i'm so skeptical is really that, the longevity of a MMO is really all about the endgame |
| 10:02.30 | Xinhuan | and as long as that hasn't been revealed, |
| 10:02.38 | Neffi | We only just got hints of what the endgame will be like in the latest interview, and those hints were given out before they were supposed to be |
| 10:02.39 | Xinhuan | i don't have a good opinion |
| 10:02.42 | Neffi | We've still got a year before launch |
| 10:02.53 | Neffi | But there will be a solid model of progression for PvP and PvE |
| 10:02.59 | Xinhuan | i'm personally also skeptical about ff14 |
| 10:03.04 | Xinhuan | end game that is |
| 10:03.11 | Neffi | I don't follow FF14 |
| 10:03.32 | Neffi | Honestly I've come to really love TES like I used to love WoW in the early days, and what I've seen is not disappointing. |
| 10:03.52 | Xinhuan | guild wars 2 hype kind of died out quickly after launch, SWTOR was a disaster, and they had to change from sub-based to F2P |
| 10:04.59 | Neffi | All indications say the combat system is Skyrim styled but a huge step up. Immersion and content design is in line with TES but even more elaborate and immersive. Skill lines are far more thought out and encourage healthy longevity and playability. And it has the TES style of giving questing an immersive story and trying to avoid grinding almost entirely. |
| 10:05.49 | Neffi | I think that what it's sticking with in the TES franchise, and what it's selectively progressing/improving is very much in line with how TES is done. I think that alone will give it the critical mass it needs early game to keep it going long enough to be a big contender. |
| 10:06.49 | Xinhuan | that's not how mmo's work, end game is usually about gear progression, after people have mathematically proven out what are the cookie cutter builds, and/or about PvP |
| 10:07.09 | Xinhuan | it is how the gear progression is implemented |
| 10:07.10 | Neffi | It will eventually have that element, and that's being developed for |
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| 10:07.21 | Xinhuan | that makes or breaks the game |
| 10:07.33 | Neffi | They gave us a few hints of the progression at end game. It's going to be a dungeon+heroic structure. |
| 10:07.50 | Neffi | Advancement won't cap with the level cap. |
| 10:08.01 | Xinhuan | if you have a infinite or incredibly hard to achieve stat progression, then it would devolve down to a lineage style forever-grind |
| 10:08.15 | Xinhuan | and that really isn't what people are after |
| 10:08.18 | Neffi | They havent said much about end-game, but their general direction seems to indicate they want healthy progression and playability without complete grindiness. |
| 10:08.43 | Neffi | We'll have to reserve judgment of those aspects for when it really lands |
| 10:08.50 | Xinhuan | so to conclude, i'm not impressed by ESO and will not be until i can see/assess the end game :) |
| 10:09.03 | Neffi | But expecting it to be another game following the big WoW paradigm is unfair. Because that's exactly wha tit's not doing. |
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| 10:38.38 | bluspacecow | i go homes nows |
| 11:22.59 | g0urra | anyone around? |
| 11:23.27 | haste | always |
| 11:26.25 | Neffi | . |
| 11:27.17 | Neffi | Anyone got a recommendation for an small open source project in Lua or C that could use some extra contributions? |
| 11:28.00 | Neffi | I want some programming to do to keep me stimulated and busy. |
| 11:28.11 | haste | Neffi: you could always look at summer of code submissions |
| 11:29.03 | Neffi | I haven't seen any Lua stuff there, which I'm really good at. I'm not too great at C and really just looking for something that keeps me engaged so I can brush up and learn more by doingl |
| 11:29.45 | Neffi | I can't for the life of me focus on tutorials or programming textbooks and manuals. I gotta learn by getting into some existing code and picking it apart. |
| 11:29.50 | haste | http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2013 several projects that mention lua |
| 11:30.00 | haste | actually just two for 2013 :P |
| 11:32.59 | Neffi | Hmm. Nmap calls for either strong network security background, or strong C/C++ background with some Lua. |
| 11:33.13 | Neffi | Maybe I'll look into the game, but it doesn't seem that engaging |
| 11:33.23 | haste | that's for the actual summer of code tasks tho' |
| 11:33.59 | Fisker | hey haste ! |
| 11:33.59 | haste | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua_%28programming_language%29#Applications there's always this :P |
| 11:34.05 | haste | hey Fisker ! |
| 11:36.05 | Neffi | I'd love to get wrapped up in some simple C stuff |
| 11:36.19 | Neffi | Though I'm gonna peruse that list and see if anyone's code catches my eye |
| 11:37.17 | haste | you could always start a project of your own :) |
| 11:37.34 | Neffi | Soon enough |
| 11:37.47 | Neffi | I'm not far enough in my understanding of C to even know what to take up |
| 11:38.02 | Neffi | Aside from really ambitious ideas that I have no idea how to go about |
| 11:38.17 | haste | do like everyone and write an IRC bot :P |
| 11:38.58 | Neffi | lol |
| 11:39.02 | Neffi | I'd just use Lua for that |
| 11:39.21 | haste | you could write a core in C and use Lua for extensions |
| 11:39.30 | haste | communicating with Lua from C is fairly easy |
| 11:39.32 | Neffi | I like getting into a project where I can envision a big picture, not working on minor details |
| 11:39.55 | Neffi | That's probably why I maintained my own hand coded UI instead of running some of the great addons you guys make |
| 11:40.54 | jleclanche | haste: didnt you back star citizen? |
| 11:41.13 | haste | I haven't |
| 11:43.03 | jleclanche | off |
| 11:43.05 | jleclanche | odd |
| 11:43.09 | jleclanche | who was i thinking of :/ |
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| 12:11.54 | bluspacecow | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1554/ |
| 12:12.06 | bluspacecow | evil unicorn kitteh |
| 12:15.20 | haste | kitteh does not look pleased |
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| 12:32.03 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:32.10 | bluspacecow | I have my hearthstone set to Russian |
| 12:32.25 | bluspacecow | i have no clue what i'm doing as I don't how to read the cyrlic on the cards |
| 12:32.26 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 12:35.05 | karl_w_w | weirdo! |
| 12:35.39 | bluspacecow | charliesheen- WINNING! |
| 12:35.44 | bluspacecow | =b |
| 12:40.39 | g0urra | *googles ffxiv music, finds playlist* "awesome!" *clicks it* https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL84CAD8F88F008099 |
| 12:45.10 | Xinhuan | why would you set it to russian :P |
| 12:46.40 | bluspacecow | for the LOLZ |
| 12:46.49 | bluspacecow | i has it set to zhCN now |
| 12:47.10 | bluspacecow | this locale's terrible |
| 12:47.25 | bluspacecow | they try to fit all the text of the card on one line , shrinking the text to fit |
| 12:59.31 | karl_w_w | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1339373-Your-top-5-game-disappointments?p=22333047&posted=1#post22333047 fun thread |
| 13:06.37 | bluspacecow | 5) no karl_w_w NPC in game |
| 13:07.30 | karl_w_w | eh? |
| 13:07.40 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 13:07.57 | karl_w_w | ooh? |
| 13:08.22 | bluspacecow | *eyebrow waggle* |
| 13:08.37 | karl_w_w | ooh ooh aah aah ah? |
| 13:12.12 | Neffi | lot of hate for mop and cata in that thread |
| 13:14.39 | zenzelezz | a lot of hate on that forum last I checked =D |
| 13:24.43 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/VBJPcGy |
| 13:27.25 | Neffi | fuck |
| 13:27.32 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/uaRUcMQ |
| 13:27.54 | Neffi | im done |
| 13:35.19 | mikma | neffi: boooriiiiing |
| 13:36.01 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/VBJPcGy <- imo, the comparativelysane's story is ... awesome |
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| 13:37.36 | karl_w_w | http://splur.gy/r/Nl8sh/r/2CbRfKvl4K4 win epic PC :D (referral link) |
| 13:37.53 | Neffi | mikma: One of the best there definitely |
| 13:38.02 | karl_w_w | I figure I can't win a HS beta key because everyone hates me, so maybe my luck will crop up elsewhere |
| 13:38.10 | Neffi | The 1st page ranged from chuckle worthy to interesting, but the 2nd got to me |
| 13:38.25 | Neffi | Certain experiences I didn't expect it remind me of |
| 13:44.05 | mikma | http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver <- i so want that :O |
| 13:44.52 | karl_w_w | no you don't |
| 13:45.35 | karl_w_w | there is quite possibly nothing in the world that has Razer written on it that you could say "i want that" about and not be mistaken |
| 13:46.37 | bluspacecow | how about a 7 foot tool blonde swedish lady with huge tits with "Razer" tatoo'd on her ? |
| 13:47.30 | Neffi | What if somebody prefers under 6 feet and small-medium boobs? |
| 13:47.48 | bluspacecow | or a dick ? I can do that |
| 13:48.31 | Neffi | no thx |
| 13:49.10 | karl_w_w | hence the "quite possibly" bluspacecow :P |
| 13:56.54 | mikma | karl_w_w: http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g13-advanced-gameboard <- ok, i want that one. |
| 13:59.51 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/JAt3u.jpg lol |
| 14:05.10 | bluspacecow | C |
| 14:05.33 | bluspacecow | the others are in the wrong provinces IIRC |
| 14:07.46 | nevcairiel | C is like right next to A |
| 14:07.57 | nevcairiel | as is B |
| 14:09.17 | nevcairiel | D is on the other side of the island, but i have no clue where the volcano is :P |
| 14:09.40 | Neffi | So I was gonna measure them in GMaps |
| 14:09.58 | Neffi | The name of the volcano came up as an art gallery in Manhattan |
| 14:10.25 | Stanzilla | and is probably the name of a dozen of children from celebrities |
| 14:10.57 | nevcairiel | i would say reykjavik, but no idea, half the cities have similar looking names in that weirdo language |
| 14:11.47 | nevcairiel | wonder if that even was a real question |
| 14:12.12 | nevcairiel | or like, the very first, where you dont know any of the other cities and you pick A anyway |
| 14:12.26 | Neffi | Hafnarfjordur is spelled wrong |
| 14:12.45 | Neffi | Unless you viking dudes think it's cool to name two cities almost identically |
| 14:12.50 | nevcairiel | they do |
| 14:14.11 | Fisker | damn i'm racist Neffi :( |
| 14:14.17 | Fisker | I didn't even read it |
| 14:14.19 | Neffi | lol |
| 14:14.36 | Neffi | Seeing the possible matches for how they butchered "Fjarðabyggð", I think nev is totally right |
| 14:14.36 | Fisker | All i thought was "Do you want a watermelon? A) Yes B) Yes C) Yes D) Yes" |
| 14:14.46 | Neffi | wow Fisker |
| 14:14.56 | Fisker | yeah |
| 14:15.11 | Fisker | He's probably been used in a watermelon meme since i thought that |
| 14:15.20 | Fisker | I'd wager it |
| 14:16.00 | Stanzilla | I love watermelons |
| 14:17.05 | Neffi | Unless Maps is mistaken, everything except D is practically in the same place |
| 14:17.18 | nevcairiel | thats what i said |
| 14:18.42 | Neffi | Yeah it's arguable depending on which part of the mountain you measure from, it seems |
| 14:19.00 | Neffi | And the poor grammar in the question itself, and the horrible misspellings; no way this was real |
| 14:20.20 | nevcairiel | that grammar seems normal in those shows |
| 14:20.42 | Neffi | All show up at 76.7 miles as accurately as I can measure |
| 14:29.55 | jnwhiteh | turn 4 14/10 void |
| 14:29.56 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 14:32.13 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:34.28 | jnwhiteh | ez |
| 14:34.49 | Fisker | 2ez? |
| 14:38.24 | g0urra | k, time to stop playing against other people and fight the AI instead. |
| 14:39.00 | Fisker | hearthstone? |
| 14:39.03 | g0urra | yup |
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| 14:50.01 | karl_w_w | all you bastards getting keys! |
| 14:51.08 | karl_w_w | dislikes watermelon |
| 14:51.48 | fewyn | i had a key awhile |
| 14:51.51 | fewyn | ago |
| 14:51.57 | fewyn | i actually haven't played |
| 14:52.00 | fewyn | in over a week too |
| 14:52.48 | g0urra | awesome. I surrender to the AI now |
| 14:55.09 | bluspacecow | i've had a key for years now |
| 14:55.09 | bluspacecow | you jelly? |
| 14:55.35 | Fisker | I've had access to hearthstone for years as well |
| 14:55.50 | bluspacecow | oh you mean _Hearthstone_ key |
| 14:55.55 | bluspacecow | *puts house keys away* |
| 14:55.56 | karl_w_w | I have had a key since 1997, umad? |
| 14:56.01 | bluspacecow | totally |
| 14:56.05 | bluspacecow | a key to my heart ? |
| 14:56.10 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 14:56.12 | bluspacecow | did't know you cared |
| 14:56.57 | Fisker | you're such a grammar nazi bluspacecow |
| 14:57.04 | bluspacecow | erm |
| 14:57.06 | Fisker | I've actually had access to hearthstone for years now |
| 14:57.07 | bluspacecow | no im not |
| 14:57.23 | bluspacecow | "did't" <---------------- what crazy grand ma is that ? |
| 14:57.26 | bluspacecow | gramma |
| 14:57.31 | bluspacecow | grandmer |
| 14:57.32 | bluspacecow | w/e |
| 14:57.46 | Fisker | grandma! |
| 14:58.34 | karl_w_w | kelsey |
| 15:07.13 | g0urra | if I could give away my HS beta key I would |
| 15:07.53 | Fisker | You could've not redeemed it |
| 15:08.02 | Fisker | But doesn't matter to me i've had access to hearthstone for a while now |
| 15:08.08 | bluspacecow | sounds like a gordon lightfoot song |
| 15:08.55 | g0urra | Fisker how would I know how the game is for me if I didn't play it? |
| 15:09.07 | Fisker | It's a card game |
| 15:09.09 | Fisker | automatically terrible |
| 15:09.11 | bluspacecow | "if I could give you my HS beta key …. what I story I could tell …." |
| 15:09.22 | bluspacecow | " …. like a paperback novel … the one dime stores sell …." |
| 15:09.42 | bluspacecow | *croons to Fisker* |
| 15:11.14 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 15:20.44 | pompy | http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dad-mourns-ny-teen-killed-rc-helicopter-crash-20185821 ... |
| 15:21.13 | Fisker | ? |
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| 15:39.12 | jleclanche | fewyn: ping |
| 15:47.15 | fewyn | pong |
| 15:51.01 | Fisker | tennis |
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| 15:56.29 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:02.28 | Neffi | My new school's online system probably has quite a bit of WTF worthy shit in it |
| 16:03.01 | Neffi | Date of birth field is passworded, required 6 security questions and has obscure requirements for password contents |
| 16:03.10 | Neffi | Usually not good signs of security |
| 16:03.28 | Maldivia | ack... chrome fucked up their mousewheel scrolling :/ |
| 16:04.07 | Fisker | I didn't notice |
| 16:04.17 | Fisker | i noticed them crashing my browser constantly because of aura though :D |
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| 16:05.17 | Neffi | lol - it assigns me a username that's a combination of various personal details concatenated together with a string of random numbers at the end |
| 16:05.35 | Neffi | Don't let your students design your software |
| 16:05.46 | Maldivia | Fisker: site with fixed/cover background images jump around like crazy with aura, it seems |
| 16:06.04 | Fisker | example? |
| 16:06.13 | Maldivia | Fisker: http://css-tricks.com/examples/FullPageBackgroundImage/progressive.php |
| 16:06.37 | Maldivia | if I use the scroll bar, everything is fine, if I use mouse scroll wheel = headache |
| 16:06.51 | Fisker | hmm |
| 16:06.55 | Fisker | doesn't do anything weird here |
| 16:06.59 | Fisker | the background is always stationary |
| 16:07.04 | Neffi | Everything fine on Chrome stable |
| 16:07.08 | Neffi | Don't use dev channel? |
| 16:07.11 | Fisker | pls Neffi |
| 16:07.25 | Neffi | what? |
| 16:07.37 | Maldivia | Fisker: using smooth scrolling or something? |
| 16:07.44 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:07.46 | Fisker | hate it |
| 16:07.53 | Fisker | I just use standard x lines pr scroll |
| 16:08.08 | Maldivia | hmm, ok - same |
| 16:08.53 | Maldivia | Fisker: if you drag the tab (the page I linked) out to its own window, what do you get? |
| 16:09.09 | Fisker | same |
| 16:09.21 | Maldivia | ok, I get a black screen :) |
| 16:09.41 | Fisker | do you have 31.0.1622.7 or another build? |
| 16:10.01 | Maldivia | same |
| 16:10.04 | Fisker | ah ok |
| 16:10.18 | Fisker | they've sometimes had different xx.x.xxxx.y builds |
| 16:13.02 | bluspacecow | xxy |
| 16:13.07 | bluspacecow | giggigy giggitgy |
| 16:13.21 | Fisker | i get it bluspacecow |
| 16:16.50 | Sintacks | fuck me |
| 16:16.59 | Sintacks | just lost a game of hearthstone cuz i'm dumb |
| 16:17.08 | Stanzilla | every game for me |
| 16:17.35 | Sintacks | i had it... and got cocky with a vanish, and didn't have enough mana to add 1 to my dagger to finish him off... and he had an arc missles with +1 spell power to kill me |
| 16:17.39 | Sintacks | cries |
| 16:18.00 | Sintacks | i wish you could actually talk to people you go against |
| 16:18.23 | bluspacecow | you can |
| 16:18.27 | bluspacecow | if your friends with them |
| 16:18.33 | Sintacks | i meant randoms |
| 16:18.36 | Sintacks | abnd you know it |
| 16:18.40 | bluspacecow | sure |
| 16:18.44 | bluspacecow | yr a random friend |
| 16:18.49 | bluspacecow | cause your so random all the time |
| 16:19.23 | bluspacecow | i once had this match |
| 16:19.33 | bluspacecow | where I was like "hey play these 2 cards and I got him!" |
| 16:19.49 | bluspacecow | little did I know when they put +dmg to "all characters" they mean ALL |
| 16:19.53 | Xinhuan | woohoo, finally won a game with my priest deck! |
| 16:19.54 | Sintacks | i have made a fair few derp moves :| |
| 16:19.58 | Sintacks | lol blu |
| 16:20.04 | Xinhuan | after i replaced every minion with a taunt minion |
| 16:20.05 | bluspacecow | so ALL means ALL including me |
| 16:20.09 | Sintacks | I've seen a warlock life tap himself to death |
| 16:20.24 | Sintacks | i was supprised it was even possible |
| 16:20.30 | Xinhuan | its certainly faster than clicking in the corner menu to concede |
| 16:20.35 | Sintacks | lol |
| 16:20.44 | Sintacks | i don't think he meant to kill himself |
| 16:20.47 | Sintacks | he could have still won |
| 16:20.54 | bluspacecow | i don't understand people that concede tho |
| 16:20.57 | Sintacks | i had no minions out |
| 16:21.08 | Xinhuan | i concede when it would save me the agony of > 30 secs |
| 16:21.23 | Sintacks | i concede if i know i can not possibley win, just to get out and into a new game |
| 16:21.26 | Xinhuan | like, its clear i'm going to have to end my turn, and his minions will kill me next turn |
| 16:21.45 | Xinhuan | i know, that deprives him of the "do 100 damage to enemy heroes" quest haha |
| 16:22.13 | Sintacks | i wish you could do more damage after you've already brought them to <=0 |
| 16:22.31 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/Ep3Y1l4.jpg <-so who does this kind of thing? |
| 16:22.36 | Xinhuan | heh |
| 16:22.40 | Sintacks | u mad, Fisker |
| 16:22.48 | Fisker | question or statement? |
| 16:22.59 | Sintacks | question |
| 16:23.05 | Sintacks | and then statement after you say no |
| 16:23.10 | Xinhuan | my last arena game, i went 0/3, i went against 2 different opponents with onyxia, and 1 had ragnaros |
| 16:23.18 | Fisker | Negatory Sintacks |
| 16:23.21 | Fisker | (Not no) |
| 16:23.51 | Xinhuan | i also got deathwinged -.- |
| 16:23.52 | Sintacks | I went 3/1 at first. took a break and came back. and lost two in a row from really bad draws |
| 16:24.53 | Xinhuan | i just finished up all 3 of my collected dailies in a burst play session |
| 16:25.05 | Xinhuan | found that to be the best strategy, since some of the games will overlap quests (like deal X damage) |
| 16:25.21 | Xinhuan | instead of doing them 1 per day |
| 16:26.00 | Xinhuan | and you can just do arena in the in-between days |
| 16:28.21 | bluspacecow | deathwing'd ? |
| 16:29.48 | Fisker | hearthstone reference probably |
| 16:30.32 | Xinhuan | its a card |
| 16:30.47 | Xinhuan | when deathwing is played, Battlecry: destroy all other minions in play |
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| 16:30.54 | Xinhuan | its a 12/12 minion |
| 16:44.48 | Xinhuan | woohoo, priest deck is quite fun |
| 16:54.40 | Sintacks | pally deck is stupid. |
| 16:54.44 | Sintacks | too much self healing |
| 16:54.50 | jnwhiteh | its boring and not very good |
| 16:54.55 | jnwhiteh | priest rocks |
| 16:54.57 | jnwhiteh | hunter imba |
| 16:55.40 | Fisker | i want to eat food |
| 16:55.47 | Sintacks | food is good |
| 16:55.50 | Sintacks | i like food |
| 16:56.16 | Sintacks | I like the rogue deck. but i think some cards need changed |
| 16:56.18 | Fisker | yeah it's not a jerk like that bluspacecow guy |
| 16:56.28 | Fisker | i mean how can he even be a guy if he's a cow? |
| 16:56.31 | Sintacks | vanish, shadowstep, prep for example |
| 16:56.46 | bluspacecow | moooooo |
| 16:57.00 | Sintacks | when I heard shadowstep, i don't think retreat. i think, ignore taunt for one round. cost 6 mana |
| 16:57.25 | Sintacks | when i hear vanish, i don't think "clear the whole fucking board. lolol" i think "gtfo. go to hand" |
| 16:57.34 | Sintacks | prep should be what vanish is currently |
| 16:57.48 | Sintacks | vanish should do what shadowstep does currently |
| 16:58.06 | Sintacks | but that's just me. as a rogue. |
| 16:58.15 | Sintacks | so that means nothing, and won't get anything changed |
| 16:58.19 | Sintacks | even if i knew a HS dev. heh |
| 16:58.27 | Sintacks | 1am. i go sleep nao |
| 16:58.30 | Sintacks | er. 1pm |
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| 17:32.57 | Xinhuan | i think i enjoyed the priest and shaman decks the most so far |
| 17:34.06 | sintAcks | i haven't played either yet |
| 17:34.16 | sintAcks | i said i was going to sleep 30 minutes ago |
| 17:34.19 | sintAcks | wtf is wrong with me |
| 17:34.31 | Xinhuan | i play passively with both, and just try to suppress enemy minions |
| 17:34.35 | Xinhuan | until i can get 1-2 large ones out |
| 17:34.42 | Xinhuan | then i buff those and whack |
| 17:34.59 | sintAcks | So, which is more OP. Poly, or Hex? |
| 17:35.01 | Xinhuan | for shaman, that's giving it windfury, and +3 attack on the same round for lots of damage |
| 17:35.05 | sintAcks | I say Hex. |
| 17:35.18 | Xinhuan | hex is the 0/1 toad with taunt? |
| 17:35.21 | sintAcks | yes |
| 17:35.31 | sintAcks | 1 cheaper than poly too (i thin) |
| 17:35.33 | sintAcks | think* |
| 17:35.35 | Xinhuan | hex is better for sure |
| 17:35.36 | Xinhuan | 1 mana only |
| 17:35.43 | jnwhiteh | fuck hex |
| 17:35.52 | Xinhuan | but poly can win you the game 1 round faster |
| 17:35.54 | sintAcks | hex is 3 mana |
| 17:36.03 | Xinhuan | oh is it, didn't memorize it |
| 17:36.05 | sintAcks | polymorph is 4 |
| 17:36.06 | Fisker | the witches don't appreciate that jnwhiteh |
| 17:36.09 | bluspacecow | my hunter deck has teh epic bow |
| 17:36.12 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 17:36.20 | Xinhuan | i've yet to see a legendary though |
| 17:36.37 | sintAcks | so, hex is one cheaper. and you aren't going to do any damage with your new toad |
| 17:36.42 | Xinhuan | imp master is a really good card |
| 17:36.52 | Xinhuan | wish i have more dust to craft one |
| 17:37.15 | Xinhuan | imp master + priests healing, is like omg infinite imps |
| 17:38.40 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 17:38.44 | jnwhiteh | i should work on getting one |
| 17:38.52 | sintAcks | Blade Flurry is really really strong |
| 17:38.53 | jnwhiteh | mind control is just so demoralizing |
| 17:39.08 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 17:39.10 | Xinhuan | i've also found that my decks are just much better if i have at least 8 taunt minions |
| 17:39.13 | sintAcks | if done right, it's 8 damage, to all enemies. |
| 17:39.20 | sintAcks | AFTER, you do 8 damage |
| 17:39.31 | fewyn | fuck yes lei shen is dead |
| 17:39.41 | sintAcks | so if no taunt, 8 damage on hero, 8 to every minion, and another 8 to hero. |
| 17:39.43 | sintAcks | omnomnom |
| 17:39.58 | Xinhuan | i think rogues might be a little bit overbalanced right now |
| 17:40.06 | Xinhuan | especiall with that coin combo |
| 17:40.07 | sintAcks | i've only pulled off a fully power blade flurry once... but i derped and forgot to attack first |
| 17:40.17 | sintAcks | coin combo needs fixed |
| 17:40.20 | sintAcks | it's stupid |
| 17:40.24 | sintAcks | i don't use it |
| 17:40.38 | Xinhuan | there's a pretty good chance u can get it if you mulligan your whole hand |
| 17:40.47 | Xinhuan | if it isn't already in your opening hand of 4 |
| 17:41.17 | sintAcks | at least 5 times i've switched one card, it's been the first card i draw :| |
| 17:41.29 | Xinhuan | had that happen to me just now |
| 17:41.39 | Xinhuan | i played against bluspacecow |
| 17:41.58 | Xinhuan | we tested if friend matches would go towards any daily - it doesn't |
| 17:42.18 | bluspacecow | no XP |
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| 21:40.36 | jleclanche | anyone else who backed/is interested in star citizen? i mentioned #StarCitizen yesterday, do join |
| 21:44.33 | kd3 | so I'm impressed that dad was even able to do this: http://kaydeethree.net/i/bent-drillbit.jpg |
| 21:44.48 | Kalroth | isnt star citizen that $600 vaporware game? |
| 21:45.05 | kd3 | bedrock's hundreds of feet down. that's hitting a root and rocking back-and-forth too hard to get it out |
| 21:45.43 | jleclanche | Kalroth: i have an instinct you're trolling but i have it installed on my computer, thats the antidefinition of vaporware :P |
| 21:45.45 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 21:46.33 | Kalroth | i thought you could only buy pledges so far |
| 21:46.45 | jleclanche | you can |
| 21:46.56 | jleclanche | but the hangar module is released already, and theres been 3 patches so far |
| 21:47.03 | jleclanche | dogfighting coming in winter |
| 21:47.15 | Kalroth | so it's not the game that's released |
| 21:47.33 | jleclanche | i thought that was obvious? :p |
| 21:47.47 | Kalroth | "i have it installed on my computer" |
| 21:47.56 | jleclanche | and, i do |
| 21:48.20 | Kalroth | no, you got an early preview of the hangar installed |
| 21:48.53 | jleclanche | i have the alpha of the game on my computer |
| 21:49.04 | jleclanche | vaporware doesn't usually come with, like, executables |
| 21:49.12 | Kalroth | really? |
| 21:49.25 | jleclanche | nope! |
| 21:50.03 | Kalroth | lets continue this discussion when the game is actually completed with all promised features |
| 21:50.15 | Kalroth | heck, i'd settle for half the promises |
| 21:50.25 | jleclanche | you mean when you'll be able to tell me the dance studio isnt released? |
| 21:50.25 | jleclanche | :P |
| 21:50.33 | jleclanche | also id settle for dogfighting |
| 21:50.39 | jleclanche | which is in december |
| 21:50.40 | jleclanche | \o/: |
| 21:50.42 | Kalroth | i'm just saying a hangar isn't a game |
| 21:50.55 | kd3 | of course not. thus the pre-alpha designation |
| 21:51.19 | jleclanche | its certainly not a released game, nor is it, by any definition, "playable" |
| 21:51.23 | Kalroth | and thus it can still be vaporware |
| 21:51.31 | jleclanche | right |
| 21:51.40 | jleclanche | but then by your defintion, any pre-alpha software is vaporware |
| 21:51.47 | jleclanche | thats not what vaporware means |
| 21:52.41 | Kalroth | no, by my definition a hangar isn't a game, hence he's yet to release anything meaningful |
| 21:52.57 | Kalroth | so there's still time for it to be a $600 vaporware |
| 21:53.08 | adys | theres plenty of meaningful content thats been released outside the game |
| 21:53.10 | Kalroth | (i am trolling on the $600 part!) |
| 21:53.14 | adys | ya i know that much :P |
| 21:54.34 | Kalroth | hey adys are you a ... rear admiral in star citizen?! |
| 21:54.38 | Kalroth | :P |
| 21:54.52 | adys | as it happens yes. |
| 21:54.59 | Kalroth | sheesh |
| 21:55.12 | adys | nevcairiel spent more than me |
| 21:55.14 | adys | STOP LOOKING AT ME |
| 21:55.24 | adys | btw Kalroth |
| 21:55.24 | adys | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UaFSd-ezQc |
| 21:55.34 | adys | (and that bit is planned to be released in april) |
| 21:55.55 | Kalroth | nev is a kraut though, so he's excused |
| 21:56.59 | Kalroth | it looks very pretty, but i'm more worried about the actual gameplay |
| 21:57.27 | adys | its CR; with freelancer and such behind him im not too worried on the gameplay that matters |
| 21:57.41 | adys | the only worrisome part is how it might end up in pay2win mode |
| 21:57.54 | Kalroth | i guess i'm just jaded |
| 21:57.55 | adys | which they keep insisting it wont but time will only tell |
| 21:59.08 | adys | Kalroth: jaded about what? |
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| 21:59.38 | Kalroth | games looking great on papers and/or in their developers heads, but being a failure on launch |
| 21:59.44 | adys | yeah |
| 21:59.52 | adys | im worried about it too |
| 21:59.59 | adys | but like Iriel said its all about the dream :P |
| 22:00.12 | Kalroth | and not just from "indie" developers, but bigger companies |
| 22:00.25 | Kalroth | (xcom bureau im looking at you) |
| 22:00.54 | adys | theres a few bits they have to get right to avoid a catastrophic failure |
| 22:01.11 | adys | modding tools/capabilities and private servers namely, both which are on the feature list for launch |
| 22:02.00 | adys | also seriously |
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| 22:02.20 | adys | if it fucks up i will personally move to Austin and set things right, I dont care how much it takes |
| 22:02.23 | Kalroth | haha |
| 22:02.38 | adys | ask amro |
| 22:02.55 | Kalroth | did you fuck him up |
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| 22:02.59 | adys | no |
| 22:03.00 | adys | but |
| 22:03.11 | adys | like three years of work on a similar (not as ambitious nor well funded) game and then chris roberts comes along a few months before our kickstarter |
| 22:04.37 | adys | Kalroth: one of the main things that does worry me is the community |
| 22:04.49 | Kalroth | too many assholes? |
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| 22:05.09 | Kalroth | or too many chefs? |
| 22:05.48 | adys | i dunno. the community is already pretty unnerving and the game isnt even in alpha |
| 22:08.02 | adys | alright well thats all nice and neat but i just bought an aurora so im off to fawn on it |
| 22:08.12 | adys | friggin' Windows |
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| 23:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | that guy's tone upsets me, kraps :| |
| 23:06.15 | Kraps | lol |
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