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| 00:31.57 | dihydro | hey, what can't you do to the ui? like is absolutely every bit of the ui free game for editing? or are some things unable to be changed under some policy by blizz? |
| 00:32.15 | kd3 | blizz provides an api and we can do things using that api to the ui |
| 00:32.39 | kd3 | creating frames, restyling built-in frames, handling chat functions, etc... |
| 00:33.09 | kd3 | things we can't do: combat automation, drawing in the game world itself |
| 00:33.28 | dihydro | okay yeah that much I knew |
| 00:33.30 | kd3 | moving "protected" frames (like any unit frames) around in combat |
| 00:33.45 | kd3 | other things of that nature that could be abused to automate combat |
| 00:33.59 | dihydro | right okay. thanks for the answers |
| 00:57.52 | TC-Work | Why will 0*[2-3] match 2002? should it not need to be 0*[0,2-3]? |
| 00:57.57 | TC-Work | (in regex) |
| 00:58.22 | TC-Work | oh, nvm |
| 01:12.56 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 01:13.24 | Dagmar | 1. Curly braces. 2. * already specifies {0,infinity} |
| 01:14.21 | Dagmar | If you want a real challenge, try deciphering the stuff the guys who do mod_security churn out |
| 01:15.06 | Dagmar | I've been on the hunt for something that can pretty-print regexps about half this week |
| 01:15.33 | kd3 | emails away (0-line diff!) |
| 01:15.42 | Shirik | what |
| 01:15.47 | Shirik | how is that even a thing |
| 01:15.50 | Shirik | also why don't I get your emails |
| 01:16.26 | Dagmar | Probably your spam filter if they're all 0 lines long |
| 01:16.27 | kd3 | you can if you want? all I need is an email address and I'll add you to the list... |
| 01:18.43 | End | kd3 put notes in the email body |
| 01:18.49 | End | so there just weren't any attachments |
| 01:18.53 | End | (on purpose this time!) |
| 01:19.03 | End | notes I mean talking about getting a 0-line diff |
| 01:19.06 | Dagmar | Ugh. The mod_security stuff is burning up brain cells for sure. Lemme amend that... and just say if you're trying to match years just use [0-9]{4} |
| 01:20.06 | Shirik | hehe |
| 01:20.14 | Shirik | today's Wikipedia featured article is "Zero is an even number" |
| 01:20.22 | kd3 | but that's not y10k compliant! |
| 01:21.16 | Dagmar | I think I'll let the emergent intelligence from the Singularity worry about that one |
| 01:21.49 | Dagmar | I intend to be playing Faceville 223 by then |
| 01:23.22 | Neffi | Shirik: I think the ancient Greeks would have a good time rage-editing that article |
| 01:24.14 | Shirik | I think this is my favorite statement from the article |
| 01:24.15 | Shirik | There is a sense in which some multiples of 2 are "more even" than others. Multiples of 4 are called doubly even, since they can be divided by 2 twice. Not only is zero divisible by 4, zero has the unique property of being divisible by every power of 2, so it surpasses all other numbers in "evenness".[28] |
| 01:24.52 | kd3 | ugh, excuse me as I brain myself |
| 01:26.37 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:26.57 | Dagmar | When WP trolls they really go all out |
| 01:27.09 | Neffi | Wait, are you sure you're reading that correctly Shirik? |
| 01:27.43 | Dagmar | Instead of begging for donations maybe they should charge by the edit on that page for awhile |
| 01:28.05 | Neffi | The problem is, the more you know about math the less you probably make |
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| 01:33.42 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/08/ars-does-soylent-day-2-my-god-what-have-i-gotten-myself-into/ |
| 01:33.55 | Neffi | Soylent Green: wonderfood >_> |
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| 01:49.46 | bleeter | 'Linguist Joseph Grimes muses that asking "Is zero an even number?" to married couples is a good way to get them to disagree' |
| 01:52.43 | Neffi | That's about as poignant as asking laymen if .99~ is equal to 1. |
| 01:54.10 | Neffi | And holy shit -- props to Climates of Tamriel in Skyrim, |
| 01:54.36 | Neffi | It's nice to see real weather that actually obscures my ability to rush a bandit camp by sneaking |
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| 02:24.41 | jleclanche | Fisker: https://pay.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1ladvh/its_2013_were_all_being_spied_on_why_do_security/cbxen9t?context=3 |
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| 02:55.03 | Neffi | He's got a point. Let's remove the government. |
| 03:00.52 | Shirik | I like that guy |
| 03:01.18 | Shirik | also |
| 03:01.22 | Shirik | it's 2013, and I still don't understand reddit |
| 03:02.13 | Shirik | ok time to make miso + udon noodles |
| 03:02.18 | Shirik | I think this is going to be epic meal time |
| 03:02.48 | Iriel | Soup and noodles are Epic? |
| 03:03.17 | Shirik | it's not just any soup |
| 03:03.19 | Shirik | it's miso soup |
| 03:03.22 | Shirik | and udon noodles |
| 03:03.25 | Shirik | THAT is epic |
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| 03:09.22 | Neffi | sounds like glorified ramen |
| 03:11.41 | Neffi | Now, cajun grilled chicken w/ ghost pepper sauce and pesto penne is an epic meal |
| 03:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | what about seared tyrannosaurus flank with a reduced megatherium broth sauce |
| 03:13.46 | Neffi | And can't forget a rich beer to top it all off. Maybe something pale with a bit of orange squeezed in. |
| 03:14.17 | Neffi | Meh. Chiken's my favorite dinosaur meat. |
| 03:14.44 | Neffi | It lends itself so well to a variety of different seasonings and methods of cooking |
| 03:15.08 | Mr_Rabies | because modern store chicken is flavorless :( |
| 03:15.18 | Mr_Rabies | which isn't necessarily inherently bad |
| 03:15.28 | Neffi | Never had some real farm-grown, free-range chicken freshly killed? |
| 03:15.50 | Neffi | It's actually quite savory |
| 03:16.27 | Neffi | I wish I could find it readily in NY. But strong, mouth-burning seasonings will have to do. |
| 03:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | nope |
| 03:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | but i have had rabbit |
| 03:17.42 | Mr_Rabies | and it tasted like chicken, but with more flavor |
| 03:18.15 | Neffi | Never had. I'd be a little iffy eating rabbit tbh. |
| 03:18.21 | Neffi | Too cute and cuddly. Too much like a cat. |
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| 03:56.14 | jleclanche | does image/svg+xml have an encoding? |
| 03:56.29 | jleclanche | er, charset |
| 03:56.31 | jleclanche | eg can it be expressed as image/svg+xml; charset=utf-8 |
| 03:56.44 | jleclanche | or is it reserved to text/* |
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| 04:07.57 | Iriel | jleclanche: Theoretically the encoding is in the XML header |
| 04:11.19 | jleclanche | Iriel: you saying it shouldnt be in the mime type? |
| 04:11.54 | Iriel | I'm saying I dont know the answer to that bit, but suggesting you might need to look somewhere else as well |
| 04:12.20 | jleclanche | I'm more worried about whether i should disable a hook in my api which appends "; charset=%s" to all my mime types |
| 04:12.33 | jleclanche | in my api lib* |
| 04:12.41 | Iriel | Can't you find an RFC which specifies that? |
| 04:12.43 | jleclanche | the api isnt supposed to output non-text data but im using it to output images |
| 04:12.56 | jleclanche | tried, keep finding mixed answers and no rfc |
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| 04:14.58 | Iriel | Does your svg+xml include an encoding in its XML header? |
| 04:18.01 | Iriel | The language of RFC 2616 implies that the only places that /need/ an encoding would be text/* |
| 04:18.30 | Kaylin | need sounds like you can use it elsewhere |
| 04:18.58 | Kaylin | also, where do you send comments in reply to an rfc anyway? |
| 04:20.03 | Iriel | I think the ACTUAL answer to your question, however, lives in RFC 3023 |
| 04:20.25 | Iriel | Since this document: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/intro.html |
| 04:20.33 | Iriel | Links off to that document |
| 04:20.50 | Iriel | And 3023 says "Although listed as an optional parameter, the use of the charset |
| 04:20.51 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.00 | Fisker | thanks obama |
| 04:21.33 | phelps | has anyone here made a dropdown that goes Class -> Class Spec |
| 04:21.34 | phelps | ? |
| 04:21.40 | phelps | so I can save time and be lazy |
| 04:22.23 | Kaylin | <em>recommended</em> |
| 04:22.36 | Kaylin | yes, hate me. |
| 04:24.27 | jleclanche | Iriel: that's text/xml |
| 04:24.33 | jleclanche | not image/*+xml |
| 04:25.42 | jleclanche | hmm |
| 04:25.43 | Iriel | If you'd read the OTHER link I gave you |
| 04:25.45 | Iriel | you would have seen this |
| 04:25.46 | Iriel | The MIME type for SVG is "image/svg+xml" (see XML Media Types [RFC3023]). The registration of this MIME type is in progress at the W3C. |
| 04:26.13 | jleclanche | yeah i saw that |
| 04:26.39 | jleclanche | well, all in all it doesnt really answer the question: do browsers actually care |
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| 04:29.30 | Kaylin | which browsers? |
| 04:29.44 | jleclanche | all the browsers!!1 |
| 04:29.50 | Kaylin | the custom one you build which only supportest the latest standard probably cares |
| 04:30.00 | Kaylin | and refuses to support anything else |
| 04:30.19 | jleclanche | firefox and chrome really |
| 04:30.22 | Kaylin | but in general browsers try to render anything and everything they can irrispective of how shitty the code is. |
| 04:30.33 | Kaylin | er |
| 04:30.36 | Kaylin | markup |
| 04:30.45 | jleclanche | this isnt markup :P |
| 04:30.47 | jleclanche | its http |
| 04:31.08 | jleclanche | and it's optional |
| 04:32.15 | Kaylin | everything's optional, generally even if it says required |
| 04:32.58 | Kaylin | just make sure it has two cr;lf's in it and browsers can usually get through the header ignoring anything they don't understand. |
| 04:33.01 | Kaylin | which is ugly |
| 04:33.03 | Kaylin | but yeah |
| 04:33.37 | jleclanche | this is interpretation of the content-type header |
| 04:33.43 | jleclanche | it's really up to the browser |
| 04:34.36 | Kaylin | somewhat related |
| 04:34.56 | Kaylin | I've seen "Webpages" written in microsoft word that my browser managed to make display as something |
| 04:35.57 | jleclanche | you mean html documents |
| 04:36.17 | jleclanche | it's as if msword has an html export function |
| 04:36.27 | Kaylin | not a new version of word |
| 04:36.38 | Kaylin | archive.org said the page hadn't been changed since '98 |
| 04:36.50 | Kaylin | I was just standing there in awe. |
| 04:37.43 | Iriel | w3.org's own server responds with: Content-Type:image/svg+xml; qs=0.85 |
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| 05:45.08 | jleclanche | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23853863 |
| 05:45.14 | jleclanche | this is beautiful and hypnotising |
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| 06:01.08 | airtonix | hey guy |
| 06:05.50 | Neffi | I'm not your guy, friend |
| 06:06.51 | rid_ | morning |
| 06:07.25 | pompy | http://news.msn.com/us/california-launches-drone-to-aid-wildfire-battle |
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| 06:47.03 | bleeter | one for the photography nuts http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/4922330 |
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| 07:36.22 | Neffi | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=141039657 |
| 07:36.27 | Neffi | interesting concept |
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| 10:29.38 | karl_w_w | oh good |
| 10:29.53 | karl_w_w | bought a store-brand tube of pringle ripoffs |
| 10:30.11 | karl_w_w | I read the nutrition information, the tube has 1g of trans fat in it |
| 10:30.18 | karl_w_w | am I still going to eat them? yes |
| 10:31.57 | NuSuey | karl_w_w: *high five* |
| 10:32.28 | karl_w_w | yow low |
| 10:32.33 | karl_w_w | or however it goes |
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| 10:36.36 | zenzio | 1g what; in total? Per 100g? |
| 10:36.47 | karl_w_w | in total |
| 10:37.03 | karl_w_w | 170g tube, .6 per 100g |
| 10:37.34 | zenzio | not sure why I asked, I never bothered to learn about the different types of fat |
| 10:37.44 | karl_w_w | trans = bad |
| 10:37.45 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 10:37.56 | karl_w_w | like, it's pretty terrible for you |
| 10:38.14 | karl_w_w | and it's not necessary to have it in foods |
| 10:38.53 | karl_w_w | I think it's something like 5g a day makes you 2/3 more likely to get heart disease or something |
| 10:40.55 | karl_w_w | "This was shown convincingly by Walter Willett in his 1993 study of US nurses. Those who reported eating a large amount of trans fats (more than 5.7 grams a day) were around two-thirds more likely to have a heart attack than nurses eating less than 2.4 grams a day." |
| 10:42.05 | karl_w_w | but I'm pretty sure this'll be the only trans fat I have today so it's all good :P |
| 10:42.30 | karl_w_w | assuming I polish off the whole tube this evening, quite likely |
| 10:43.27 | zenzio | did it say how large the sample group was? |
| 10:44.19 | karl_w_w | 78,778 :P |
| 10:44.31 | karl_w_w | unless I'm reading it wrong: http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/161/7/672.abstract' |
| 10:44.40 | zenzio | that's pretty good then |
| 10:45.02 | zenzio | I find it annoying how sample size in studies often seem to be something like 15-20 |
| 10:45.20 | Neffi | IIRC trans fat is unnatural fat and incredibly bad for you. It's produced by converting oils into shortenings. |
| 10:45.39 | zenzio | aha |
| 10:45.53 | Neffi | Also the reason why some margerines are much worse than butter. They use shortening to thicken the margerin from liquid to solid. |
| 10:45.56 | zenzio | what do you call the other two kinds in English? |
| 10:46.11 | Neffi | There's more than other 2, but do you mean saturated and unsaturated? |
| 10:46.12 | karl_w_w | saturated and unsaturated |
| 10:46.35 | karl_w_w | they call it trans because it's half way or something like that :P |
| 10:46.50 | karl_w_w | most margerines don't have trans in them now though, surely? |
| 10:46.50 | Neffi | Not at all |
| 10:46.55 | zenzio | Neffi: don't know the details, but we're just told of three here (trans, saturated, unsaturated). Could just be a simplification because many people don't understand it anyway |
| 10:47.04 | Neffi | The "hard" margerines do. Like Parkay sticks. |
| 10:47.05 | karl_w_w | I know none do in Australia |
| 10:47.17 | Neffi | The tubs like ICBINB are trans-free and pretty healthy. |
| 10:47.36 | karl_w_w | where are you Neffi? |
| 10:47.57 | Neffi | Well it's not necessarily wrong. Saturated = fat molecules are saturated with hydrogen atoms, so they're essentially useless for many bodily functions and much worse for you to boot. |
| 10:48.04 | Neffi | USA |
| 10:48.58 | zenzio | and you're up at 0[4-6]:50? |
| 10:49.24 | Neffi | 6:50 and yes |
| 10:49.44 | zenzio | I always knew Americans were weird |
| 10:49.46 | zenzio | ;) |
| 10:50.08 | Neffi | Where are you? |
| 10:50.27 | zenzio | Norway |
| 10:50.54 | zenzio | people get up at that time here too, just not me |
| 10:50.56 | Neffi | I think most Murricans would laugh at you calling us weird ;) |
| 10:51.08 | Neffi | Oh yeah. I'm just abnormal. |
| 10:51.16 | zenzio | they probably would :) |
| 10:52.47 | zenzio | one of the good things about being a programmer is the slightly relaxed work hours (obviously as long as you work the 8 hours). I'd have huge problems adjusting to getting to work on a set time every day \o/ |
| 10:52.49 | Neffi | How do Nordic folk generally feel about Americans? |
| 10:53.35 | zenzio | we like to poke fun of you, but apart from your vocal crazies we don't typically have any issues with you |
| 10:53.47 | Neffi | Cool |
| 10:53.53 | zenzio | not uncommon to be an exchange student in the US for example |
| 10:54.20 | Neffi | I wouldn't mind visiting Scandinavia at some point in the next few years. But I get the feeling that most of the world hates us nowadays. |
| 10:55.13 | karl_w_w | depends what you mean by "us" |
| 10:55.29 | Neffi | Anything that was born in America |
| 10:55.33 | Neffi | Anyone* |
| 10:55.50 | karl_w_w | as individuals we mostly like you. the typical american tourist is a friendly happy person |
| 10:56.37 | Neffi | Well the type of Americans with the initiative to visit other countries are a cut above the average American |
| 10:57.02 | Neffi | I gotta admit as a whole we're a pretty stupid bunch |
| 10:57.12 | karl_w_w | the spying and invading other people's countries to arrest them for breaking your laws despite never having even been to the country is not helping your image as a country |
| 10:57.49 | karl_w_w | that was a slightly confusing sentence, hopefully you can work it out :P |
| 10:58.07 | Neffi | Most of us are either complacent about it, or ... how did Huxley put it? =) |
| 10:58.44 | Neffi | But the few of us are mostly sad and there's not a thing we can do |
| 10:59.07 | Neffi | Our political system doesn't lend itself to change. We're not really much of a democracy. |
| 10:59.43 | karl_w_w | we are confused by your politics though |
| 10:59.53 | Neffi | I think everyone is |
| 11:00.05 | karl_w_w | not your political system, but just how right-wing all of you are |
| 11:00.15 | Neffi | Our media tends to drown out real information in a sea of irrelevance |
| 11:00.34 | karl_w_w | even those of you who consider yourself lefties are more like centrists in other countries :P |
| 11:00.35 | Neffi | Many Americans are ignorant as to how our politics work at no fault of their own |
| 11:01.18 | Neffi | To be honest, I haven't paid attention to current debates or the trends of left-vs-right for a while |
| 11:02.11 | Neffi | I figured a while ago it was worth forming opinions by individual merit. Most others around here just want badly to identify as left or right that they'll give up their chance to form their own opinions. |
| 11:02.28 | Neffi | I hate our dual-party system |
| 11:02.43 | karl_w_w | what's your opinion on obamacare? |
| 11:02.55 | Neffi | I don't have one, because I haven't read it |
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| 11:03.50 | Neffi | Not a good shortcut for closing the window, HexChat |
| 11:04.33 | Neffi | I used to be inclined to care about these things, but you kinda realize after a while that there's no point whatsoever to expending energy on it in the USA. |
| 11:04.41 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 11:04.51 | Neffi | Because even when big radical change does occur -- or has a chance to -- nothing really changes |
| 11:05.47 | Neffi | I think very much that Huxley's concept of a counter-dystopian society is far too much of a reality in America |
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| 11:07.17 | karl_w_w | sometimes I think governments don't get enough credit |
| 11:07.29 | karl_w_w | the things they do get forgotten |
| 11:07.54 | Neffi | The things individual officials do can be good |
| 11:08.02 | karl_w_w | mostly because when something changes it almost never effects you when it changes, it effects you later |
| 11:08.47 | Neffi | Too often they're shot down by partisan politics, or revised/amended into irrelevance before they're passed, or fail to make any dent at all |
| 11:08.49 | karl_w_w | like a new service or whatever comes in, but you might not need the service for years so by the time you do it's just something that's there |
| 11:09.21 | Neffi | I think a decent majority of the good stuff to happen lately is primarily PR |
| 11:10.05 | Neffi | We've definitely got a few good officials trying to look out for us, but our system doesn't lend itself to those few. |
| 11:10.43 | Neffi | I mean our Congress is like a bunch of kid voting on dinner. Half want pizza, half want chicken nuggets, so nobody eats. |
| 11:11.17 | karl_w_w | haha, our parliament here is worse |
| 11:11.36 | karl_w_w | those guys wouldn't even be able to agree on the definition of dinner |
| 11:11.51 | Neffi | I had some respect for Ron Paul for a little bit, until I realized he's batshit crazy and fundamentalist when it comes to science |
| 11:12.22 | Neffi | But I think one of the things he said was poignant. When asked why he voted no on most bills, he said he reads them. And it's sad that it's not really a hyperbole. |
| 11:14.03 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBgfE3Qc7_g this is what our current (soon to end) term is like |
| 11:16.13 | Neffi | wait wtf |
| 11:16.37 | Neffi | Shouldn't there be kangaroos hopping around your Parliament? |
| 11:17.08 | Neffi | But seriously that's kinda funny |
| 11:23.25 | karl_w_w | seems we have a long way to go to reach taiwan's level though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R1HY5kWlvg |
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| 11:28.52 | Neffi | kryst |
| 11:29.06 | karl_w_w | that Damned game looks good |
| 11:29.29 | karl_w_w | not for me though, I'm shit at pure horror games :P |
| 11:29.40 | karl_w_w | I'm too much of a pussy |
| 11:29.48 | karl_w_w | I like horror films though |
| 11:30.27 | Neffi | You could always play as the monster |
| 11:32.29 | Neffi | But I feel you. I like horror games in theory, but even this shit used to scare me: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Ocean_House_Hotel |
| 11:32.50 | Neffi | You would randomly see this girl around a corner or in a room or running past: http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091205214114/whitewolf/images/7/71/Resident_ghost.jpg |
| 11:33.43 | karl_w_w | I don't mind being scared |
| 11:34.04 | karl_w_w | Silent Hill 2 is one of my favourite games of all time |
| 11:34.06 | Neffi | Oh I love it, but it's dreadful when you |
| 11:34.12 | Neffi | you're playing through it interactively |
| 11:34.25 | karl_w_w | I think it's when you can't do anything about it that bothers me :P |
| 11:34.31 | Neffi | I'd rather be spooked in real life |
| 11:34.31 | karl_w_w | like in um |
| 11:34.38 | karl_w_w | what's that game |
| 11:34.52 | Neffi | I think that's what gets me |
| 11:35.14 | karl_w_w | wow steam is takibng ages to load |
| 11:35.17 | Neffi | I know if I see this shit in real life it's either not real, or can't hurt me. But in a game it's scripted to hurt me -- or at least try. |
| 11:35.21 | Neffi | There's no escaping it |
| 11:35.34 | karl_w_w | amnesia |
| 11:35.40 | Neffi | Never played it |
| 11:35.44 | karl_w_w | don't :P |
| 11:35.47 | Neffi | lol |
| 11:35.57 | airtonix | hey guy |
| 11:36.06 | Neffi | I'm not your guy, friend |
| 11:36.07 | airtonix | you heard of minecraft? |
| 11:36.18 | airtonix | it's a game |
| 11:36.28 | Neffi | sure |
| 11:36.42 | karl_w_w | I have heard of minecraft, it sounds lame |
| 11:36.53 | Neffi | I refuse to play it |
| 11:37.03 | karl_w_w | I keep meaning to play assassin's creed |
| 11:37.04 | airtonix | don't you talk bad about your mother boy! |
| 11:37.13 | karl_w_w | but I don't know which one to start with |
| 11:37.19 | Neffi | At first it just sounded lame, them everyone came to like it, now it's the game that every "nerd" plays because they think it's still obscure |
| 11:37.22 | karl_w_w | or when I'll actually have time to play it |
| 11:37.45 | airtonix | oh yeah. no one actually plays games because they are fun right? |
| 11:37.49 | airtonix | no no no |
| 11:37.54 | Neffi | Hell no |
| 11:37.56 | airtonix | totally unheard of |
| 11:38.01 | karl_w_w | what's fun about minecraft? |
| 11:38.08 | Neffi | I'm playing Skyrim again because it won Game of the Year. Not because I enjoy it. |
| 11:38.12 | airtonix | karl_w_w: the vi like commands |
| 11:38.18 | airtonix | hot diggidgy |
| 11:38.32 | Neffi | I fucking hate Skyrim so much I've hit level 50 on legendary in one week before |
| 11:38.50 | karl_w_w | I'm enjoying my way through metro 2033 at the moment |
| 11:38.54 | airtonix | skyrim needs some terrain generation |
| 11:39.05 | zenzio | in what way? |
| 11:39.09 | Neffi | you need some terrain generation |
| 11:39.25 | karl_w_w | generates terrain all over airtonix's face |
| 11:39.28 | Neffi | A lot of people knock their terrain. I think it's fine. It's not overdone; it's realistic. |
| 11:39.30 | airtonix | i just feel like I'm in an elevator when playing skyrim |
| 11:39.37 | airtonix | lean over and touch the sides |
| 11:39.53 | Neffi | Mods help a lot by the way |
| 11:40.03 | airtonix | oh? |
| 11:40.13 | karl_w_w | I've never played skyrim :P |
| 11:40.15 | Neffi | Even simple shit like ELFX and CoT make the world and dungeons seem so different |
| 11:40.38 | karl_w_w | I'm probably about the only person in the channel who's never played an elder scrolls game |
| 11:40.46 | Neffi | Removing all that blinding ambient light and giving Skyrim a realistic lighting model makes the immersion of the design incredibly powerful and fun |
| 11:41.08 | Neffi | I vote to have karl_w_w banned until he plays an Elder Scrolls game |
| 11:41.17 | airtonix | Neffi: so which mod fixes the tiny game world? |
| 11:41.26 | karl_w_w | zing |
| 11:41.44 | Neffi | Dawnguard, Dragonborn to start with. Then check out Wyrmstooth and Falskaar. |
| 11:41.56 | Neffi | And there's like 3-4 more coming soon |
| 11:42.00 | airtonix | mods? |
| 11:42.08 | Neffi | Expansions, but yeah |
| 11:42.18 | Neffi | First two are official DLCs. Second two are user made expansions. |
| 11:42.29 | airtonix | i already got everything |
| 11:42.42 | Neffi | Falskaar is pretty good |
| 11:43.16 | Neffi | I mean, for having been made by a single 19 year old with no professional experience |
| 11:43.41 | airtonix | cube world kind of looks interesting... |
| 11:44.58 | Neffi | hmm. it does. |
| 11:45.13 | zenzio | meh, I'll wait for Sphere World |
| 11:45.20 | airtonix | but it's been created in .net or some shit |
| 11:45.36 | airtonix | so it'll die when linux becomes the super game desktop thing |
| 11:46.02 | airtonix | our lord gabe wil deliver |
| 11:46.35 | Neffi | Gabe's too busy trying to debug his new Linux fridge |
| 11:46.47 | airtonix | http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/063/7/1/gabe_newell_portrait_by_freddre-d4rnffi.jpg |
| 11:47.20 | Neffi | He looks a lot like Peter Griffin |
| 11:47.47 | airtonix | http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/076/1/1/gabe_newell__left_4_dead_by_darren_geers_by_darrengeers-d5ye91p.jpg |
| 11:48.13 | airtonix | how badass is that! |
| 11:48.50 | Neffi | kinda cool |
| 11:49.45 | zenzio | whenever someone speaks of Linux as a desktop OS, I'm immediately reminded of this gem of a comment from Slashdot... "Now that Glibc is free we can finally have the year of the Linux desktop we've been waiting for since 2001. I know tons of my friends who would always say "I wanted to use Linux but Glibc isn't free!"" |
| 11:49.49 | NuSuey | love gabe newell :P btw.. http://gaben.tv/ .. |
| 11:50.16 | NuSuey | haven't bought so many games during the summer sale o.O im weird |
| 11:50.33 | AcidWeb | NuSuey: UNBELIEVER |
| 11:52.12 | karl_w_w | I didn't buy any |
| 11:52.16 | karl_w_w | because I'm amazing |
| 11:52.46 | zenzio | admit it, you didn't buy any because Australia always gets the bad end of deals in the sales |
| 11:53.15 | karl_w_w | nah they don't |
| 11:53.28 | karl_w_w | on the occasional one maybe but generally the deals are the same |
| 11:53.30 | Neffi | I guess you could say their deals are upside down |
| 11:53.36 | zenzio | lol |
| 11:54.24 | NuSuey | AcidWeb: you think so? "You own 215 games worth: $2,381.80 USD " Hours spent1,256.1h |
| 11:55.03 | zenzio | is that from wastedonsteam? |
| 11:56.21 | zenzio | "100 games owned, 57 games played" :-| |
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| 12:03.36 | NuSuey | zenzio: where did you see that? cnat find it there |
| 12:03.53 | zenzio | http://wastedonsteam.com/ |
| 12:04.18 | zenzio | it's not entirely accurate, since it doesn't know whether you bought the games as part of a pack, or on sale, but it's interesting nonetheless |
| 12:04.35 | NuSuey | but cant see where it's written how many games I played |
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| 12:05.41 | zenzio | for me it was in the top left, just beside the avatar |
| 12:06.31 | karl_w_w | 22 owned 15 played |
| 12:07.07 | NuSuey | well I have .. ~ 220 games.. 21.3% played out of them all |
| 12:07.09 | NuSuey | >.< |
| 12:07.09 | zenzio | note that if it's updating your profile, you may have to reload to get the correct numbers |
| 12:07.13 | karl_w_w | and 2 of those are wrong for some reason so it's 17 played |
| 12:13.47 | karl_w_w | wonders if harl is watching sliders or eating them |
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| 12:14.39 | zenzio | maybe he's eating them *and* watching them |
| 12:14.59 | harl|Sliders | just watching is correct |
| 12:31.35 | karl_w_w | felt the need to share this, even though most of you here will never be able to experience the joy: http://chillikebab.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/the-mighty-lemon-crisp/ |
| 12:34.53 | karl_w_w | the 3rd best non-chocolate biscuit in the world that I know of :P |
| 12:35.02 | karl_w_w | ^high praise |
| 12:36.25 | pompy | http://whatrhymeswithhug.me/#twerk oh god lol (audio) |
| 12:37.17 | Neffi | This guy really loves biscuits |
| 12:38.45 | zenzio | karl_w_w: third? |
| 12:39.19 | karl_w_w | yeah, after the mighty hobnob and the tuc cheese sandwich (which I guess could be called more of a cracker) |
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| 12:45.05 | zenzio | don't remember if this was linked already... this had a short run, but it amused me... http://beetsbydre.tumblr.com/ |
| 12:47.26 | Neffi | 101 |
| 12:47.50 | Neffi | lol* |
| 12:47.56 | pompy | 101 works too |
| 12:48.05 | zenzio | that's an interesting typo o_O |
| 12:48.07 | zenzio | I should adopt it |
| 12:48.46 | Neffi | im tired |
| 13:14.29 | karl_w_w | fucking google |
| 13:14.53 | karl_w_w | hijacking esc so I can't cancel a navigation |
| 13:15.02 | rid_ | :( |
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| 14:20.54 | pompy | http://www.freep.com/article/20130829/BUSINESS07/308290069/Low-paid-workers-are-marching-for-fairness lol |
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| 14:23.30 | karl_w_w | pompy: these people are retarded |
| 14:27.28 | karl_w_w | but then where else are retards gonna get a job? |
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| 14:57.06 | Unkle | station or something |
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| 15:21.19 | karl_w_w | harbour! |
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| 16:02.02 | Shirik | I was just ranting to someone else about this pompy |
| 16:02.05 | Shirik | They're asking for $15/hour |
| 16:02.17 | Shirik | that's insane |
| 16:02.25 | TC-Work | Depends where you live |
| 16:02.41 | harl|Sliders | ^ |
| 16:02.46 | Shirik | I lived in VA, it is quite expensive there |
| 16:02.49 | nicoli_s | and plus, you demand higher than you want |
| 16:02.55 | Shirik | when I started work at Best Buy, I asked for $12 |
| 16:02.56 | nicoli_s | so you can bargain it down |
| 16:02.59 | Shirik | my hiring manager laughed at me |
| 16:03.05 | Shirik | they hired me at $7.50 |
| 16:03.13 | Shirik | When I became a computer technician that was bumped up to $10.50 |
| 16:03.22 | nicoli_s | i mean hell when i started working i got paid 5.15, thats ridiculous as a minimum wage now |
| 16:03.24 | harl|Sliders | Shirik: i bet, he's still laughing.. |
| 16:03.28 | Shirik | That job requires just a LITTLE more thought than being able to push buttons on a computer screen |
| 16:03.43 | Shirik | they don't even pour the drinks anymore |
| 16:03.50 | Mr_Rabies | just because you were underpaid doesn't mean they're not as well :p |
| 16:03.53 | Shirik | they have a machine that grabs the cup, dumps out the drink to the appropriate size, and hands it to you |
| 16:04.10 | Shirik | we're getting to the point where McDonalds could be entirely automated |
| 16:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | 7.50 isn't even a living wage anymore in most places |
| 16:04.22 | Shirik | if they just turned the little terminals around and let people push them |
| 16:04.22 | harl|Sliders | not everyone working at a low-brain-leveled job is actually stupid, or uneducated for that matter |
| 16:04.27 | Shirik | I wasn't saying they were |
| 16:04.51 | Mr_Rabies | and that could be said for a lot of jobs, and that's the future |
| 16:04.55 | Shirik | but you're paid for the job you do, not the job you could do |
| 16:05.14 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I have interns working for me that barely make $15/hour |
| 16:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | the future is that all low-paying jobs will probably be replaced with automated machinery, allowing one person to do the job of 20-100 or more even |
| 16:05.49 | Mr_Rabies | we already have too little labor for our workforce |
| 16:05.53 | Mr_Rabies | well, not all, of course |
| 16:06.05 | Mr_Rabies | but most |
| 16:06.12 | Shirik | well if people would stop having 15 kids and then blaming it on the government |
| 16:06.19 | karl_w_w | i like that if they getthis pay rise they will probably lose their job |
| 16:06.45 | Shirik | I'm more interested in what happens if the business can't afford the pay raise |
| 16:06.49 | Shirik | one of two things would happen |
| 16:06.56 | Shirik | (1) they go back to work at the same rate |
| 16:07.05 | Shirik | (2) the place closes down and they all lose their jobs |
| 16:07.19 | Mr_Rabies | mcdonalds can certainly afford to pay its workers more |
| 16:07.30 | Shirik | or of course (3) people that actually want money could work there and they lose their jobs |
| 16:07.33 | Shirik | no Mr_Rabies |
| 16:07.35 | Shirik | that is not how it works |
| 16:07.44 | Shirik | mcdonalds can afford to pay its workers more |
| 16:07.46 | Shirik | each store cannot |
| 16:07.52 | Shirik | mcdonalds is a franchise |
| 16:07.54 | Mr_Rabies | if a business can't afford to pay its workers what they deserve, there's no point in keeping it on life support |
| 16:07.58 | Shirik | just because the big guys are making tons of money does not mean the store is |
| 16:08.06 | Shirik | they don't deserve more |
| 16:08.29 | TC-Work | I think 'deserve' is a bad word there. |
| 16:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | might as well just kill it, because $7.50 in many areas means you're getting government assistance anyway |
| 16:08.44 | harl|Sliders | they're allowed to strike - thus they do. not saying it should be any different. |
| 16:08.52 | karl_w_w | exactly. if they deserved more, they'd be working elsewhere |
| 16:09.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a flawed outlook |
| 16:09.43 | Shirik | I think they fail to realize that there are a lot of people out there that would love to just have a job |
| 16:09.44 | harl|Sliders | i don't know how much those fast food workers did get before, that specific case is kind of irrelevant anyway - everyone doing their job the way it's supposed to be done, should at least get the minimum wage, depending on their efforts. |
| 16:09.52 | Mr_Rabies | we're at an all-time high ratio of CEO pay to lowest worker pay |
| 16:09.58 | Shirik | Dude |
| 16:10.00 | Shirik | are you not listening |
| 16:10.08 | Shirik | What the CEO of mcdonalds makes is totally irrelevant |
| 16:10.11 | Shirik | mcdonalds is a franchise |
| 16:10.44 | harl|Sliders | not irrelevant - just two different problems. |
| 16:10.53 | airtonix | ^ |
| 16:11.11 | harl|Sliders | or, actually, a multitude of such |
| 16:11.16 | airtonix | yeah |
| 16:11.34 | Mr_Rabies | i think everyone deserves a living wage, at least |
| 16:11.49 | airtonix | well |
| 16:11.58 | airtonix | how do you deal with baby factories? |
| 16:12.15 | Mr_Rabies | education |
| 16:12.20 | airtonix | ok |
| 16:12.31 | karl_w_w | this is a great time to be unemployed in the us. the unemployed should group together, go to McDonald's and say "fire those slackers" |
| 16:12.31 | airtonix | but education exists |
| 16:12.34 | Mr_Rabies | and in the meantime, government assistance |
| 16:12.42 | airtonix | so what you really mean is idoctrination |
| 16:12.44 | Mr_Rabies | certainly not enough well-funded education |
| 16:12.48 | Shirik | karl_w_w: That is exactly my thought |
| 16:13.38 | airtonix | iDoctrination: blah blah blah steve jobs. lick it! |
| 16:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's not at all, karl_w_w, it's a great time to run a regional business or higher |
| 16:13.55 | Shirik | I feel like you only read half of what people say |
| 16:14.01 | harl|Sliders | karl_w_w: the sad thing is, this could actually work - as it did work before, just quietly, which is why we are where we're now. |
| 16:14.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's a shitty time to be a worker or nonworker |
| 16:14.46 | Mr_Rabies | er, worker, or unemployed |
| 16:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | you have basically no bargaining power unless you're in a union, because you could be replaced with minimal resource usage, and often a net gain to replace you with someone willing to work for less |
| 16:16.38 | harl|Sliders | true |
| 16:16.40 | Mr_Rabies | job security is an illusion for most people in today's economy |
| 16:17.07 | Mr_Rabies | at least in the US |
| 16:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | i can't speak for anywhere else |
| 16:17.33 | airtonix | pretty much the same everywhere |
| 16:18.01 | airtonix | only the employers who realise your true skill value don't use that dick move |
| 16:18.33 | airtonix | the others, don't care about shipping crappy quality for maximum profit |
| 16:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | year to year we're slowly inching back to the industrial revolution's abuse of workforce |
| 16:19.06 | airtonix | well you don't have to by EAs games |
| 16:19.12 | airtonix | there is that? |
| 16:20.05 | Mr_Rabies | due to politicians being bought and sold by corporate greed, a massive propaganda campaign to devalue unions in the eyes of the average american, and other such offenses |
| 16:22.44 | harl|Sliders | agreed - and not just in the USofA |
| 16:22.59 | p3lim | Is there an upper limit on fontsize? |
| 16:26.51 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies, your wholeargument pretty much illustrates why they are stupid for striking. they aren't going to get a pay rise from a business that can't afford to pay it and can employ literally anybody to do the same job. taking the day off is simply giving them a reason to fire you, when really the people they should be appealing to is the government. |
| 16:27.38 | karl_w_w | no p3lim |
| 16:27.43 | Mr_Rabies | i agree that the result of their striking will likely be to just be fired |
| 16:27.51 | Mr_Rabies | that's why unions are so important |
| 16:27.59 | harl|Sliders | yes |
| 16:28.16 | harl|Sliders | also, it's just not true that "the franchise" couldn't afford the wages |
| 16:29.27 | harl|Sliders | according to that argument, the wages should be different by each location - which just isn't the case |
| 16:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | at the least, i think minimum wage should be a living wage for an average single-payer household across the board |
| 16:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | er, single-earner |
| 16:31.41 | karl_w_w | i don't follow. why would wages be different? don't they all get the raw materials at the same price? |
| 16:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | people aren't raw materials, yet, at least |
| 16:32.20 | Mr_Rabies | they're working on that though, i'm sure |
| 16:32.40 | harl|Sliders | always have |
| 16:34.00 | karl_w_w | that makes no sense Mr_Rabies , we are talking about if they can afford to pay more wages. |
| 16:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | raw material costs are only part of the profit formula |
| 16:34.52 | Mr_Rabies | there are many other factors to consider |
| 16:36.44 | harl|Sliders | karl_w_w: the question is, why *wouldn't* they be able to afford the wages. the money certainly isn't an issue. |
| 16:37.11 | harl|Sliders | whish isn't a mcdonald's issue in particular. it's a general one. |
| 16:37.47 | karl_w_w | mcdonalds strikes you as a high profit margin enterprise? |
| 16:38.01 | harl|Sliders | not in particular |
| 16:40.40 | Unkle | Wages are affected by different factors. Location and local/state law and taxes being big drivers. |
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| 16:41.31 | karl_w_w | i just don't see how they are meant to afford higher wages. unless pay rates were no longer dictated by the franchise holder, which would probably cause other, larger issues |
| 16:41.44 | Unkle | If you're getting paid $8/hour in a tiny town in North Dakota, you're doing ok (assuming a 40 hour week). If you're making that $8 in say, Los Angeles, you're sleeping under a bridge. |
| 16:43.19 | karl_w_w | Unkle, ofitif you're in a tiny town in north Dakota, you're already not doing OK ;) |
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| 16:43.44 | Unkle | $320/week at that base rate means you probably get to take home $270-ish after federal taxes. |
| 16:44.06 | karl_w_w | ofitif? gesture typing wins again |
| 16:44.22 | Unkle | Which would pay my cell phone and internet service bills |
| 16:44.53 | Unkle | But not even dent my rent. |
| 16:45.13 | TC-Work | On the other hand, you get it all back |
| 16:45.21 | harl|Sliders | those "larger issues" are probably what i'm questioning, seems more like it - especially that (not so) big difference between the CEO-type and the button-pusher-type worker - prerequisiting that, if people were sure there actually wasn't any money anyway, they wouldn't strike in the first place - most of the time, the money is not the actual issue. |
| 16:45.23 | karl_w_w | so you'd need a better job :P |
| 16:46.05 | harl|Sliders | +of |
| 16:46.17 | Unkle | karl_w_w: Yeah, most of the people who are working in the fast food industry are people who would very much like to be working a better job. |
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| 16:47.35 | karl_w_w | not sure why that's McDonald's fault |
| 16:49.29 | karl_w_w | what are they meant to do, put prices up? they'd be out of business in 2 years |
| 16:49.56 | TC-Work | Hardly. |
| 16:50.33 | airtonix | Unkle: your phone and internet cose 300$ a week? |
| 16:50.37 | airtonix | wut |
| 16:50.52 | airtonix | lets forget mcdonalds and focus on this |
| 16:50.53 | nicoli_s | thats alot |
| 16:53.34 | TC-Work | I spend half that on those two things |
| 16:53.51 | airtonix | a quarter maybe for me |
| 16:53.55 | airtonix | not even |
| 16:53.57 | Unkle | airtonix: No, I pay about $200 for cell and my "(lol) fat pipe" service. |
| 16:54.07 | airtonix | 200$ a week ? |
| 16:54.12 | airtonix | for a phone? |
| 16:54.16 | Unkle | monthly. |
| 16:54.32 | Unkle | I was just saying that $270/week isn't much money. |
| 16:54.35 | airtonix | oh so you meant monthly not weekly |
| 16:54.57 | Unkle | Yeah. I pay about $200/month for cell and internet service. |
| 16:55.13 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 16:55.14 | karl_w_w | i pay 65 a month for both, and could cut that to 50 if i was on McDonald's money |
| 16:55.27 | airtonix | who are you with karl_w_w? |
| 16:55.43 | Unkle | I could cut my cell bill down if I took unlimited data and unlimited SMS off. |
| 16:55.47 | airtonix | telstra? |
| 16:56.04 | karl_w_w | vaya for mobile and exetel for internet and land line |
| 16:58.38 | airtonix | do they do naked dsl? |
| 16:59.49 | karl_w_w | don't think so. I'm on resold optus |
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| 17:02.05 | karl_w_w | and only Telstra does naked, and i think the line cost for naked is more than a regular line from optus |
| 17:03.34 | karl_w_w | why won't my android gesture type naked a 2nd time? does it think once is enough lewdness? |
| 17:04.03 | Ackis | anyone know some drugs that'll drop my pulse rate down about 30 beats? |
| 17:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | enjoy a steady diet of sloth juice |
| 17:04.51 | karl_w_w | chocolate? |
| 17:05.35 | nicoli_s | special k? |
| 17:06.20 | TC-Work | Any proper seditive probabbly would. |
| 17:06.37 | TC-Work | sedative* |
| 17:06.37 | karl_w_w | prozac |
| 17:09.16 | Lopeppeppy | Sed-a-GIMME! |
| 17:11.48 | Ackis | I can't bloody donate blood because my bloody pulse is too bloody high because I'm so bloody nervous |
| 17:11.55 | karl_w_w | that should be the basis for all prescriptions for mood altering drugs. you want sedative?demonstrate hyperactivity :P |
| 17:12.37 | karl_w_w | well, I guess it already is like that essentially |
| 17:13.05 | TC-Work | Nervous about what? |
| 17:13.15 | karl_w_w | would they even take your blood with a drug in it? |
| 17:13.23 | TC-Work | If it's giving blood, that's one hell of a loop. |
| 17:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | that's part of why i don't give blood |
| 17:13.52 | airtonix | too many drugs? |
| 17:14.03 | airtonix | never stopped since woodstock? |
| 17:14.17 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:14.21 | Mr_Rabies | also i live in fear that the government will one day build an army of clones of me, since i'm obviously the perfect specimen of humanity |
| 17:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | gotta keep my fluids safe |
| 17:14.44 | airtonix | my dna is unclonable |
| 17:15.22 | airtonix | well by your mortal methods anyway |
| 17:15.23 | karl_w_w | airtonix, is ultraunique |
| 17:15.27 | nicoli_s | like a tortoise shell kitty! |
| 17:15.54 | Xandr | Meet my priest and her Maracas of Doom! http://i.imgur.com/LX1CkSu.jpg :) |
| 17:16.17 | airtonix | when you join the linux gaming master race perhaps you too will attain godlike powers as I have |
| 17:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | that's why they use a human donor as well and do a little dna regex, airtonix |
| 17:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | sure, they might not have the entirety of your abilities, but enough to build a super-army, i'd imagine |
| 17:17.21 | airtonix | they don't need dns for that. |
| 17:17.24 | airtonix | dna* |
| 17:17.33 | airtonix | they have the bible belt |
| 17:26.17 | nicoli_s | im partof that belt! |
| 17:26.30 | airtonix | sucks to be you |
| 17:27.23 | Unkle | Ackis: I have a trick I use for that. 1) Breathe deeply several times, 2) don't watch the procedure, 3) ask to lay down while it's being done, 4) read a book during the process. |
| 17:27.45 | Mr_Rabies | my trick is just to not give blood |
| 17:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | but that's just my ONE WEIRD TIP DOCTORS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW |
| 17:28.28 | Unkle | I donated platelets to help a friend who had leukemia. She needed lots of blood often. |
| 17:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | that's really admirable |
| 17:29.00 | Semlar | was she a vampire |
| 17:29.19 | Unkle | She didn't make it. :/ But she did get an extra 2 years as a result of treatment. |
| 17:31.18 | Unkle | But giving blood FREAKS me out. I even hated the tiny amounts they would take for blood tests during my annual physical. |
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| 17:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | Users are like mosquitos, they bite and itch and carry the plague wherever they go. |
| 17:58.44 | nicoli_s | that is a good way to put it |
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| 18:05.47 | jleclanche | $@1! |
| 18:05.58 | jleclanche | Now Login with your username and the password "Event2013." |
| 18:06.13 | jleclanche | Fucking retarded quoting rules |
| 18:06.25 | jleclanche | there's NO DOT IN THE PASSWORD |
| 18:06.34 | Semlar | >_> |
| 18:06.37 | Gnarfoz | english ftl |
| 18:06.37 | jleclanche | but let's just put it in there anyway |
| 18:06.55 | Gnarfoz | that'd be "Event 2013". here :) |
| 18:07.13 | TC-Work | Well, it is at the end of a sentence |
| 18:07.29 | Semlar | it still shouldn't be in quotes for this |
| 18:07.29 | Gnarfoz | so? |
| 18:07.43 | Gnarfoz | (also, I'd do that in english to, because that rule is so fucking stupid) |
| 18:07.50 | jleclanche | TC-Work: grammatically, it "should" be in the quotes; SANELY it shouldn't |
| 18:08.00 | Semlar | this isn't a matter of grammar though |
| 18:08.02 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: yeah i refuse to apply that rule |
| 18:08.05 | Semlar | you're quoting the password |
| 18:08.29 | Semlar | it needs to be verbatim |
| 18:08.30 | TC-Work | jleclanche: agreed |
| 18:08.33 | Gnarfoz | and english quoting rules say that you put the full stop inside the quotes, if the quote is the last thing in the sentence |
| 18:08.39 | Gnarfoz | which is what he's complaining about |
| 18:08.40 | jleclanche | yeah |
| 18:08.41 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:08.42 | jleclanche | its not a dot |
| 18:08.44 | jleclanche | its a full stop |
| 18:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | Grammar sucks it. |
| 18:08.56 | jleclanche | full stops cannot be part of a password because they are a concept, not a character |
| 18:08.58 | jleclanche | fuck that |
| 18:09.28 | Gnarfoz | at first I thought you were quoting (heh) a registration mail that was echoing your password back to you in plain text |
| 18:09.28 | jleclanche | The password must be between 6 and 30 characters long. |
| 18:09.31 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 18:09.34 | jleclanche | gggnnnhh |
| 18:09.41 | Gnarfoz | I was going to go on about that next, but you beat me |
| 18:09.43 | Gnarfoz | to it |
| 18:09.48 | TC-Work | I hate having an upper limit on passwords. |
| 18:09.55 | Semlar | i hate all password requirements |
| 18:09.57 | jleclanche | upper limit is ok |
| 18:10.02 | Gnarfoz | for what? |
| 18:10.02 | Semlar | it shouldn't be a thing |
| 18:10.05 | jleclanche | upper limit of 30 is "somewhat" ok |
| 18:10.12 | jleclanche | but seriously |
| 18:10.15 | Gnarfoz | there's no sane reason for an upper limit that low |
| 18:10.16 | Lopeppeppy | I have a password that must be exactly 8 characters. That drives me wild. |
| 18:10.20 | jleclanche | yeah Gnarfoz |
| 18:10.21 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: awesome |
| 18:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | "Your password is too long". WTF? |
| 18:10.43 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me. |
| 18:10.53 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: reduced password namespace ftw |
| 18:11.19 | Gnarfoz | "8 characters was somewhat secure 10 years ago... let's reduce the namespace you'd have to brute force by 90%!) |
| 18:11.48 | Gnarfoz | or rather, 50%? I can not math |
| 18:12.26 | jleclanche | 9/28/2013 |
| 18:12.28 | jleclanche | ARGH |
| 18:12.30 | jleclanche | BE FUCKING WORSE |
| 18:12.36 | jleclanche | THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINE SITE |
| 18:12.49 | TC-Work | The password for battle.net is capped at 12 or something, iritates me. |
| 18:12.55 | jleclanche | I better go back to bed. ive been pissed off four times in the space of five minutes |
| 18:13.03 | jleclanche | TC-Work: it's case insensitive. |
| 18:13.17 | jleclanche | if theres anything that should irritate you -> right there |
| 18:13.18 | TC-Work | jleclanche: which is? |
| 18:13.21 | jleclanche | the bnet pasword |
| 18:13.28 | TC-Work | oh, that's great |
| 18:13.34 | TC-Work | good job blizz |
| 18:13.59 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: you're german right? |
| 18:14.02 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: at least you tried with a date that has a day > 12 |
| 18:14.02 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 18:14.30 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: do you know if i should arrive in Berlin Schonefeld or Berlin Tegel airport? |
| 18:14.37 | jleclanche | which is more practical wrt the center of town |
| 18:14.57 | Gnarfoz | Schönefeld is outside the city limits |
| 18:14.59 | Gnarfoz | Tegel isn't |
| 18:15.03 | Gnarfoz | so I'd say Tegel |
| 18:15.04 | jleclanche | ok thanks |
| 18:15.07 | Gnarfoz | (haven't been to Berlin in ages) |
| 18:16.16 | jleclanche | theres an airport in cambridge? Oo |
| 18:16.24 | jleclanche | ill be damned |
| 18:16.36 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 18:17.14 | Gnarfoz | one of the last chances to fly via Tegel anyway, it's going to be closed whenever they finish their big-ass new (cue XKCD hyphen transposition here) airport |
| 18:17.17 | Ackis | haha I just fell out of my chair at work |
| 18:17.21 | Ackis | I'm such an idiot |
| 18:17.41 | TC-Work | Even more so for telling us. |
| 18:17.42 | Semlar | chairs are hard |
| 18:17.53 | Gnarfoz | how do I chair? |
| 18:18.09 | Semlar | just say you were testing gravity |
| 18:19.13 | Ackis | I was spinning around :( |
| 18:19.30 | Gnarfoz | compiling? |
| 18:19.35 | Gnarfoz | (more xkcd!) |
| 18:19.41 | Ackis | no, I don't code at work |
| 18:19.45 | Ackis | just spinning to spin |
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| 18:28.43 | jleclanche | omg |
| 18:28.47 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: http://i.imgur.com/0ZbSA8h.png |
| 18:30.21 | Gnarfoz | more limits! |
| 18:30.38 | Gnarfoz | also, is it asking you to fill in the field even though you didn't pick no at any of the above drop downs? |
| 18:31.06 | jleclanche | yes |
| 18:31.09 | jleclanche | hence the omg |
| 18:31.29 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:31.33 | Gnarfoz | excellent programming! |
| 18:33.04 | jleclanche | ......... |
| 18:33.05 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: http://i.imgur.com/1Ft3hhh.png |
| 18:33.09 | jleclanche | this is retarded |
| 18:33.11 | jleclanche | shoot me |
| 18:33.27 | Gnarfoz | if you fly over, I'd oblige |
| 18:33.28 | Gnarfoz | :P |
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| 18:33.48 | jleclanche | ok |
| 18:33.49 | jleclanche | fml |
| 18:33.49 | jleclanche | We need you to correct or provide more information. Please see each marked section. |
| 18:33.56 | jleclanche | theres no marked section anymore |
| 18:34.02 | Gnarfoz | >_____> |
| 18:34.08 | Semlar | sounds like you've seen them all |
| 18:34.22 | jleclanche | i bet its my passport expiry date |
| 18:34.27 | jleclanche | i bet it wants it in fucking US format |
| 18:34.36 | jleclanche | despite it being a flight from UK to Germany |
| 18:34.39 | jleclanche | and a french passport |
| 18:34.40 | Gnarfoz | and I thought Lufthansa was obnoxious for asking all those pesky questions, this is just ridiculous |
| 18:35.17 | Semlar | provide the same number for all 3 sections |
| 18:35.48 | airtonix | 123456789 |
| 18:35.52 | airtonix | there, call me |
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| 18:36.06 | Semlar | why are none of the input boxes even labeled |
| 18:36.21 | Semlar | oh they are |
| 18:36.26 | Semlar | wow that is a horrible form |
| 18:38.23 | Fisker | http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1l7baq/creating_a_user_from_the_web_problem/ <-niiiiiiiiiiiice |
| 18:38.32 | Fisker | this reddit thing is not half bad |
| 18:38.42 | Gnarfoz | maximum troll |
| 18:38.45 | Gnarfoz | or maximum newbie |
| 18:38.59 | Gnarfoz | hilarious thread in any case |
| 18:39.40 | Unkle | Apache Overlords |
| 18:41.03 | Gnarfoz | Cherokee Underdogs? |
| 18:43.30 | airtonix | This is golden. Let me know what other websites have you worked on, i'll be more than happy to check them out. |
| 18:43.38 | airtonix | herpdeeerrrrrpppp |
| 18:45.15 | airtonix | http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1lc596/how_would_you_make_wordpress_better/ |
| 18:45.17 | airtonix | lulz |
| 18:51.39 | VIad | Fisker: that's epic :D |
| 18:53.20 | jleclanche | Gnarfoz: well i had to call support. looks like they were missing some error messages... |
| 18:53.39 | Gnarfoz | jleclanche: and some brains |
| 18:54.00 | jleclanche | "we're building a new site from the ground up, this will be going away soon" etc |
| 18:54.09 | Gnarfoz | sure |
| 18:55.05 | Gnarfoz | soon® |
| 18:55.34 | TC-Work | isn't that (tm)? |
| 18:56.30 | Gnarfoz | it is, if nobody has actually registered "soon" as a trademark |
| 18:56.31 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:57.00 | Gnarfoz | but since it's a sarcastic phrase, I doubt those rules matter much ;) |
| 18:58.53 | Gnarfoz | (and that's for the US mostly, anyway) |
| 19:04.41 | Lopeppeppy | Real Soon Now (tm) |
| 19:08.51 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
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| 20:19.42 | Fisker | yay Lopeppeppy |
| 20:19.50 | Fisker | i got windows 8.1 and i lost almost everything |
| 20:19.55 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppepp around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:19.55 | Lopeppeppy | Happy dance? Noooo. |
| 20:19.58 | Fisker | not that though |
| 20:25.39 | TC-Work | That's what you get. |
| 20:26.14 | airtonix | lol windows |
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| 20:42.58 | Neffi | When game studios close down, do the developers generally continue to collect royalties on future sales, or does the publisher take it all? |
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| 20:46.33 | Neffi | I'd love to do another playthrough of the old Troika games like Vampire Bloodlines and Fallout 1. I've got a lot of respect for the developers who lost their jobs because of fuzzled sales. I'd probably not buy hard copies unless they were gettng royalties. |
| 20:53.17 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the developers would get anything |
| 20:53.54 | Neffi | That's a shame |
| 20:54.38 | Neffi | Bloodlines had incredible creative direction, and the developers worked 24/7 for the final week before shutdown to make sure the game wasn't buggy for those who did buy it. |
| 20:54.39 | Arrowmaster | if the company is gone then who would be left to collect and distribute the royalties from the publisher |
| 20:54.56 | Arrowmaster | and the big if there is getting anything from the publisher years later |
| 20:54.58 | Neffi | I figured that's up to the publisher to distribute royalties |
| 20:55.29 | Neffi | Well I was one of the people who bought a hard copy in the few weeks before they closed down, so I don't feel bad about pirating that one. |
| 20:56.28 | Neffi | I think the Fallout 1 studio is still around. Same developers. I'd probably buy it. |
| 20:56.45 | airtonix | fallout 1 dudes reformed didn't they ? |
| 20:57.30 | Neffi | A lot of the developers that worked on the game were at Troika, so when it died they went their own way. A lot of them went to Obsidian. But I believe Interplay is still kicking, no? |
| 20:58.13 | Arrowmaster | i thought interplay was the publisher |
| 20:58.37 | Neffi | Wikipedia could be wrong. But Fallout 1 was never branded as Troika even though it was worked on by their devs. |
| 20:59.04 | Arrowmaster | ok says interplay as both dev and publisher |
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| 21:00.08 | Arrowmaster | but i doubt anybody that worked on it is still there, when fallout 1/2 were released on steam there was a big deal about them having to use fan made patches to get it to run on new versions of windows because nobody was left that could create an official one |
| 21:00.17 | Unkle | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/29/us-usa-crime-marijuana-idUSBRE97S0YW20130829 |
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| 21:00.26 | Neffi | Ugh |
| 21:00.49 | Neffi | I hope they moved on to greener pastures. That's a sadly common story with old games. |
| 21:01.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah the old studios remain alive in name only to collect the money |
| 21:02.08 | Neffi | I remember being mad that Bloodlines was a buggy mess on release and included hafl the features. Until I heard they ran out of funds and had no choice but to publish on the spot -- and still worked hard to patch it until the day they were kicked out of the office. |
| 21:03.11 | airtonix | Unkle: on the surface that looks good |
| 21:04.08 | nicoli_s | Unkle:that is awesome |
| 21:04.09 | Unkle | I'm in favor of ending prohibition-style drug policy, even if I'm not in favor of smoking it. |
| 21:05.34 | airtonix | i had this conversation with mum a while ago about weed being illegal and reporting people for growing it. i said to her "if corriander became illegal to grow would you stop growing it and report others for growing it?" she said yes. |
| 21:05.39 | airtonix | i had to wtf right there |
| 21:07.10 | Unkle | Yeah, some people have legal/illegal mixed up with right/wrong. Just because a thing is currently legal or illegal is not the only reason to determine if a thing is right or wrong. |
| 21:07.58 | Unkle | s/some/most |
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| 21:08.40 | Neffi | You don't even need to be pro-freedom to support anti-prohibition. There's strong precedent stating it just doesn't work. |
| 21:08.55 | Neffi | It sucks up a shitload of funds and does absolutely nothing to prevent usage. |
| 21:09.18 | Neffi | It merely feeds into organized crime by criminalizing production and distribution. It gives mobs and gangs a natural outlet for funding. |
| 21:09.19 | Unkle | Yeah. Telling people "No, don't do that - just because I say so," rarely works. |
| 21:09.20 | Primer | Unkle: the problem is all the cops and lawyer and politicians that make their money off the "drug wars" |
| 21:09.37 | Primer | Not to mention all the cartels that make assloads of money from drugs being illegal |
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| 21:09.46 | Unkle | Primer: It's a well understood problem. |
| 21:09.54 | Primer | That's quite a lobbying group there |
| 21:10.09 | Neffi | The war on drugs in the US continues to spend more and more money, meanwhile the rate of addiction and abuse is actually higher now, and has never meaningfully decreased since prohibition started |
| 21:10.23 | Unkle | It's one of those cases where doing the thing that isn't working still appeals to people more than doing nothing. |
| 21:10.49 | Neffi | Because some people with a lot of money and power are incredibly good at convincing (read: deluding) the public |
| 21:11.00 | airtonix | Neffi: i'm convinced that war was started full well knowing it wouldn't change anything. |
| 21:11.10 | Neffi | Oh most likely |
| 21:11.31 | Unkle | We didn't learn the lesson from 18th Amendment duration. |
| 21:11.38 | Neffi | I'm sure there are a good many politicians who just don't have the mental capacity to realize the fallacy in it, and are being fooled into stringing it along just like the public |
| 21:11.43 | Neffi | and that's even more depressing |
| 21:12.47 | Neffi | Well my ride's here. Have fun folks. |
| 21:12.50 | Primer | Neffi: it's the same with religion |
| 21:13.25 | airtonix | so how does this new law? work |
| 21:13.39 | airtonix | i mean you can't buy weed in washington can you? |
| 21:13.46 | Primer | Apparently you can |
| 21:13.50 | airtonix | legally? |
| 21:13.54 | Primer | presumably |
| 21:14.29 | airtonix | what so only registered growers can produce weed? |
| 21:14.33 | TC-Work | You could use it as confetti, though I doubt that's what they meant by 'recreational' |
| 21:15.51 | nicoli_s | airtonix:the laws for how its sold/monitored for the public havent been finalized yet |
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| 21:15.59 | nicoli_s | in those states |
| 21:16.45 | airtonix | is there something wrong with doing a regex on the tobacco laws ? |
| 21:16.48 | Unkle | Two states made the use of it legal, but haven't finished putting in place ways to make their plans work. It's still shaking out. But knowing that the feds aren't going to roll in and arrest everyone in sight is a step in making things get moving. |
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| 21:17.14 | nicoli_s | airtonix:well weed inhibits you more than tobacco does |
| 21:17.36 | airtonix | alcohol then? |
| 21:17.40 | nicoli_s | but yeah they could easily base it off a combo of tobacco and alhocol laws |
| 21:18.12 | airtonix | i mean in australia we are allowed to grow our own hops and brew our own beer |
| 21:18.13 | Unkle | There will probably be a lot of things to work out - taxing, licensing producers/distributors/retailers, etc. |
| 21:18.43 | airtonix | at least i think we are |
| 21:19.54 | nicoli_s | i just hope one day to be able to grow it myself |
| 21:20.22 | nicoli_s | cuz screw spending money on a plant you can grow in your backyard |
| 21:20.50 | Primer | The same could be said for lettuce |
| 21:21.04 | Primer | Yet I would much rather go to the store and buy lettuce than grow it |
| 21:21.05 | airtonix | well growing anything you can benefit from is fun |
| 21:21.06 | nicoli_s | i dont eat lettuce :P |
| 21:21.13 | Primer | You probably should |
| 21:21.16 | nicoli_s | Primer: weed is wayyyyy more expensive per gram than lettuce |
| 21:21.27 | Primer | Now, because it's illegal |
| 21:21.30 | nicoli_s | i do grow veggies i do eat |
| 21:21.44 | nicoli_s | even where its legal its still crazy expensive compared to how hard it is to grow |
| 21:22.01 | Primer | Supply and demand |
| 21:22.14 | Primer | once it's "more" legal, the supply will go up |
| 21:22.17 | Primer | driving the price down |
| 21:22.53 | Primer | Surely it'll be taxed like crazy, which will keep the price artificially high |
| 21:23.01 | Primer | Much like how tobacco is now |
| 21:24.00 | Primer | But I can't imagine it'll be anywhere near what the price is now (I can only imagine what the going rates are, as I don't use it) |
| 21:24.10 | airtonix | the problem with growing weed is it has a really distinct smell |
| 21:24.26 | airtonix | i suppose growing tobacco wouldn't be a problem |
| 21:24.35 | airtonix | not sure about hops either |
| 21:25.07 | airtonix | but we have some variety of basil tree in our backyard that makes me double take every nwo an then |
| 21:25.11 | Primer | I would think climate is more of a factor, unless you plan to have a green house or use hydroponics |
| 21:25.34 | airtonix | oh yeah but i was talking main about detection |
| 21:25.57 | TC-Work | The subject of this conversation was legal weed.... |
| 21:26.02 | Primer | If it's legal, who cares? |
| 21:26.19 | Primer | Unless you're talking about hiding it from your kids |
| 21:26.45 | Primer | Or from people that might steal it |
| 21:27.05 | TC-Work | "Now kids, no playing in the back yard, that's daddys sandbox now." |
| 21:27.12 | Primer | I just think it's really sad that a government can tell its people that it can't grow a plant |
| 21:27.33 | Primer | It's fucking idiotic |
| 21:28.27 | Unkle | Would you feel the same about opium poppies? |
| 21:29.18 | Primer | Of course |
| 21:29.23 | Primer | it's a fucking plant |
| 21:29.42 | airtonix | well |
| 21:29.48 | Primer | Do you realize that opium grows wildly in many places? |
| 21:29.54 | airtonix | you can overdose on opium |
| 21:29.56 | Primer | I've seen it here in California |
| 21:30.03 | Primer | You can overdose on water |
| 21:30.05 | Primer | Your point? |
| 21:30.06 | airtonix | and die? |
| 21:30.12 | Primer | yes |
| 21:30.15 | nicoli_s | mmmm opium |
| 21:30.50 | Unkle | I was just curious to see if there were positional changes based on the plant. |
| 21:33.07 | TC-Work | Actually in cali it's a protected plant because it is the stater flower. |
| 21:33.11 | TC-Work | state* |
| 21:37.02 | Torhal | Yes, water toxicity is a thing. |
| 21:37.25 | Primer | I think the base problem is that people can't keep their "beliefs" out of the equation, and look at things objectively. |
| 21:37.49 | nicoli_s | im objective |
| 21:38.00 | nicoli_s | my objective is to consume weed and opium cuz they are yummy |
| 21:38.00 | Primer | I'd like to believe that I'm objective too. |
| 21:38.18 | nicoli_s | being objective and having an objective are the same arent they? |
| 21:38.53 | Torhal | What if you're being subjected to objects? |
| 21:39.05 | Primer | While I have no desire to consume opium, I don't think that it should be illegal. All the information about it is out there. If you begin to consume it, it's very likely you'll become addicted. |
| 21:39.24 | Primer | So if that's the choice you make, then go ahead. |
| 21:39.28 | Unkle | Addiction is a terrible thing. It motivated the Temperance Movement because there so many drunks - that same wellspring of emotion was tapped to cover other substances. Weed was just sort of the public face. *shrug* |
| 21:39.38 | Primer | I'll consider it a manifestation of natural selection. |
| 21:40.22 | Primer | Treat it as a health issue, not an enforcement issue. |
| 21:41.55 | airtonix | no danggit it's the devils work |
| 21:42.06 | Primer | I've known plenty of heroin addicts too. I saw my entire circle of friends from around the time I was 18 become either heroin or meth addicts. |
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| 21:43.40 | Primer | I saw the girl who was my first girlfriend ever after several months of addiction. She had nodded off while driving and gotten into an accident. Her face was disfigured, and she had lost many teeth, had sunken eyes...everything you can think of that's associated with heroin addiction and then some. |
| 21:43.46 | Primer | It was fucking horrible. |
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| 21:45.49 | Primer | I just googled her...apparently she's still alive |
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| 21:54.48 | Primer | Now I'm curious...I haven't found her on facebook, but I did find her sister...I don't actually have a facebook account, nor do I want one, but I kinda want to know what happened to her now |
| 21:55.13 | airtonix | throwaway account? |
| 21:55.43 | Primer | Looking into that now...I used to have an addon that would provide bogus credentials |
| 21:55.53 | Primer | Forget what it was called |
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