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| 00:08.34 | Neffi__ | That's true. In my experience though, Notepad doesn't care about random binary data |
| 00:09.46 | Arrowmaster | use something like SciTE if you want to open random binary files in a text editor, or better yet use a hexeditor |
| 00:10.38 | Neffi__ | I can't imagine why I would want to open random data in Notepad lol |
| 00:31.17 | kd3 | >.> http://sfist.com/2013/07/09/photo_du_jour_asiana_flight_214_lan.php |
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| 01:13.54 | bleeter | oh my! http://vicpolicenews.com.au/news/876-charges-over-batman-incident.html |
| 01:14.29 | bleeter | (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia was settled by Mr John Batman and yes almost got called 'Batman') |
| 01:14.45 | bleeter | but seriously, read that. particularly the name of the officer... |
| 01:17.56 | Neffi__ | every office that uses Java should have this: http://i.imgur.com/KS9mXKq.jpg |
| 01:25.42 | Arrowmaster | ours uses lotus notes, does that count |
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| 01:48.26 | Neffi__ | That's nothing |
| 01:48.30 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:48.37 | kd3 | you should see me on a bad day |
| 01:48.56 | Kesava | i always get self-concious about reconnecting constantly |
| 01:48.59 | Neffi__ | I was up in rural PA recently and I didn't bother hopping on IRC because it would've just been a flood of "Neffi has disconneted" |
| 01:49.45 | Neffi__ | By the end of the week I decided I would totally move up there if I could get a fiber line run from an internet backbone straight to my house >_> |
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| 01:52.22 | Xuerian | Neffi__, Kesava: You could always get a bouncer like ZNC, use irssi+screen, or a core-client client like Quassel. |
| 01:52.24 | Neffi__ | Any other recommended Skyrim mods to make the world/enemies/combat more fun/challenging? I've got Duel Combat Realism (v7 hardcore) and Warzones: Civil Unrest as of now |
| 01:53.20 | Neffi__ | I want to make the game more full and hardcore without changing the overall spirit of it (that is, no SkyRe/Ace and shit like that) |
| 01:53.48 | Xuerian | That said, SkyRe is a excellent addition, and you can always abstain from the new talent trees. |
| 01:53.58 | kd3 | gah, wtf. bc transmutes are still on the daily cooldown |
| 01:54.46 | Neffi__ | I feel like overhauling the talents and spells is a good idea, but SkyRe and Ace suffer from severely overbloated design |
| 01:55.13 | Neffi__ | I don't think packing out the talent trees with tenfold as many choices is the right approach to making them seem more correct and coherent |
| 01:55.14 | Xuerian | Well, if you've tried them and made a decision I certainly won't try to dessuade you further :p |
| 01:55.57 | Neffi__ | I like the combat ideas, and the new changes to Duel seem like a better approach IMO. Also all the pretty graphs and shit suggest the developer is both dedicated and educated enough to craft a system that works well. |
| 01:56.25 | Xuerian | Well, frankly, I didn't care what the mod page looked like, I played it and enjoyed the changes. |
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| 01:57.13 | Neffi__ | Yes, but I appreciate when a developer takes time to describe the methodology behind his code and content in such detail, and it lets you know that was he's doing makes sense and isn't just blind changes |
| 01:57.32 | Xuerian | That's cool. Doesn't help you much of any once you're actually using the mod in game though, does it? |
| 01:57.56 | Xuerian | Well, aside from documentation of what you may or may not need to know, most of which seemed straightforward |
| 01:58.13 | Neffi__ | I would say it did, because I've yet to come across any bugs with Duel, nor any blatant issues with miss-balancing and poorly planned design |
| 01:58.23 | Neffi__ | It works incredibly well, which is not something you can say of most Skyrim mods |
| 01:58.58 | Xuerian | Shrug. Then you're certainly to a opinion of if you want those features or not, and I'm back to not dissuading you from avoiding it :p |
| 01:59.01 | Neffi__ | It let me know that it was developed by a dedicated and intelligent individual |
| 01:59.10 | Neffi__ | lol |
| 01:59.38 | Xuerian | you've certainly come to a opinion*, and I've enjoyed a lot of things that weren't made by especially "intelligent" individuals. |
| 02:00.01 | Neffi__ | Know of any good mod review channels or pages for those types of content mods? |
| 02:00.20 | Neffi__ | Whenever I try to find a selection of mods to try out, half of them are along the lines of "Schlongs of Skyrim" |
| 02:01.17 | Xuerian | Not really, I tend to just go by Nexus' top list to see what's interesting |
| 02:01.35 | Xuerian | Usually includes some gems between the clevage |
| 02:01.38 | Neffi__ | Nexus' list of the month for last month was what I was referring too |
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| 02:01.45 | Neffi__ | Way too many inane mods to sift through |
| 02:02.03 | Xuerian | "Lots of tits with a good mod here or there" beats bupkis |
| 02:02.17 | Xuerian | well. Beating may have been a inappropriate way to put that |
| 02:02.59 | Neffi__ | haha |
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| 02:14.54 | bleeter | http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/full-size,-screen-used-v.i.n.cent-the-robot-hero-620-c-e31cfa8a10 |
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| 02:54.09 | Trela | I think one of my hard drives is about to crap itself. Having issues reading files. >_> |
| 03:01.46 | kd3 | get everything off it. yesterday |
| 03:02.25 | Trela | Yeah, even weirder. Copying one 13gb file, suddenly zips through a portion of it only to slow the fuck down again. |
| 03:02.54 | Semlar | put it in the freezer! |
| 03:03.00 | Trela | ...OMG |
| 03:03.10 | Trela | Telshin's hard drive is still in the freezer from last year! |
| 03:03.11 | kd3 | there's some truth to that black magic |
| 03:03.15 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:03.59 | Trela | I am copying everything I can to other hard drives. Just that this is an older 1tb drive so lots of time to back up. |
| 03:06.40 | Trela | I think I really need a work bench in the garage. I just unburied a supercharger on my desk I was taking measurements for making flanges. <_< Cleaning while the computer is busy. Don't think I would be upset if I trashed this drive though. Mostly my ripped DVDs in old formats that would probably be better to rerip in newer formats. |
| 03:07.03 | Neffi__ | LOL |
| 03:07.28 | Neffi__ | installed some hardcore mods for Skyrim. I die on the jump required at the start of the game. |
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| 05:53.14 | Thunder_Child | hi and run? |
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| 07:50.51 | Kalroth | i think that kiwi was trashtalking you, nev |
| 07:51.12 | Neffi__ | lol |
| 07:51.17 | Kalroth | good think bluespacecow would never do such a thing |
| 07:51.58 | nevcairiel | its weird how they think our language is so weird, yet there are plenty words at least in english that get recycled from german :p |
| 07:52.21 | Neffi__ | that's pure bologna |
| 07:52.39 | Neffi__ | wait a sec |
| 07:52.40 | Neffi__ | lol |
| 07:52.40 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: is that schadenfreude you're feeling? |
| 07:53.33 | nevcairiel | i'm more thinking of sending Guest88422 back into kindergarten |
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| 08:04.08 | zenzelezz | English borrowed words from all over the place really |
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| 08:14.01 | Maldivia | dota2 no longer beta... sign of steam summer sales to begin? |
| 08:14.13 | nevcairiel | how is that related? |
| 08:14.30 | Maldivia | valve |
| 08:14.41 | nevcairiel | you're seeing things |
| 08:16.21 | nevcairiel | summer sale will most likely start this weekend or the one after the latest, however i still fail to see how you can take dota2 as an indicator :p |
| 08:19.21 | nevcairiel | at least my inventory got rid of the gazillion dota invites now |
| 08:21.06 | Maldivia | "sign of beta" :P |
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| 08:27.25 | Maldivia | listen to the Shadenfreude song from Avenue Q to get a good/fun indication what is is : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCQGQ5qBQTA |
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| 08:29.54 | zenzelezz | bluspacecow: you already linked that 30 minutes ago |
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| 08:30.45 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: but at that time he was guest :P |
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| 08:34.05 | zenzelezz | bluspacecow: you logged on as guest, linked it, and logged off |
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| 08:34.40 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 08:34.56 | zenzelezz | have you been sleep-IRCing again? |
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| 08:35.04 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
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| 08:37.49 | zenzelezz | WoW coding, mostly |
| 08:37.56 | bluspacecow | about hats |
| 08:38.08 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 08:39.16 | Maldivia | apparently someone doesn't understand floating point numbers and rounding |
| 08:41.28 | zenzelezz | one can never really understand floating point numbers 99.9999999999901% |
| 08:41.54 | zenzelezz | (no, I did not check if you can accurately represent 100 in floating point...) |
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| 08:49.07 | Maldivia | ehh... you should be able to correctly represent any integer up to 2^53 |
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| 08:50.16 | zenzelezz | isn't that for a double? |
| 08:52.15 | Maldivia | yeah ok |
| 08:53.40 | Maldivia | so something like 2^23 |
| 08:53.43 | zenzelezz | your point is still valid |
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| 08:56.10 | Maldivia | and if using quadruble, I guess up to 2^113 |
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| 11:46.26 | nevcairiel | i know i'm late, but the problem with floating point is not necessarily representing numbers, its that operations can leave you with slightly inaccurate numbers, this is where it happens that you get 99.9999999999999901% instead of 100 |
| 11:46.45 | nevcairiel | if you just tell it "be 100", then it can do that |
| 11:46.55 | nevcairiel | if you calculate the 100 with some fancy operations, it may not be exact |
| 11:49.06 | karl_w_w | because maths is hard |
| 11:49.17 | Kalrth | use 64bit integers and multiply/divide by 10000! |
| 11:49.57 | Kalrth | also that isn't entirely true, nev |
| 11:50.22 | Kalrth | there are natively inaccurate floating point values, without doing any operations |
| 11:50.31 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 11:50.34 | nevcairiel | but not integers |
| 11:52.06 | nevcairiel | a single-precision float can represent any whole number up to 2^23 accurately |
| 11:53.24 | nevcairiel | lua> 0.1 + 0.2 |
| 11:53.35 | nevcairiel | hm damn bot is dead |
| 11:53.36 | Kalrth | no lua? :( |
| 11:53.40 | nevcairiel | !lua 0.1 + 0.2 |
| 11:54.05 | nevcairiel | quite a lot of languages even get that wrong already |
| 11:54.43 | Kalrth | 1.345 + 1.123 |
| 11:54.45 | karl_w_w | well it gets it right in-game :P |
| 11:54.47 | Kalrth | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/c151dt3s%28v=vs.80%29.aspx |
| 11:54.55 | Kalrth | just use FLOAT_EQ()! |
| 11:55.12 | karl_w_w | that too Kalrth without an O |
| 11:55.16 | Kalrth | eep |
| 11:55.18 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: System.err.printf("%.20f\n", .1f+.2f); // returns 0.30000001192092896000 |
| 11:55.21 | Kalroth | where did my o go |
| 11:55.38 | Kalroth | o, it left for lunch |
| 11:55.42 | nevcairiel | Maldivia: looks like java, and yes, thats one of the inaccurate ones |
| 11:55.57 | karl_w_w | because java |
| 11:56.00 | karl_w_w | yuck |
| 11:56.30 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, doesn't really what language, since they all use the same underlying instructions :P |
| 11:56.52 | nevcairiel | well that depends |
| 11:57.35 | nevcairiel | some of the higher-level languages seem to get an accurate result, but maybe they silently round |
| 11:57.45 | Maldivia | they do |
| 11:59.05 | nevcairiel | on a modern PC it also can depend on if your app uses the x87 fpu or the sse fp instructions |
| 11:59.19 | nevcairiel | precision can vary depending on those factors |
| 11:59.55 | nevcairiel | tbh doesnt even need to be that modern for sse :P |
| 12:00.02 | Maldivia | if they use extended or not, yeah |
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| 12:02.22 | zenzelezz | don't desktop CPUs typically use 80-bit floating point internally? |
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| 12:03.14 | Kalroth | pretty sure we usually use doubles |
| 12:03.49 | zenzelezz | we do, but I'm pretty sure I've heard CPUs do 80-bit (or at least can) |
| 12:04.45 | Kalroth | extended is pretty old, but its also pretty slow |
| 12:04.47 | nevcairiel | the fpu registers are 80-bits for increased precision during calculations, however if you have to move it out of the register back to memory, it'll end up in double |
| 12:04.53 | Kalroth | so it's rarely used unless you have to |
| 12:06.59 | zenzelezz | don't question that =) |
| 12:07.51 | zenzelezz | I know some languages let you specify a "long double", but I don't know if any of them actually use 80-bit... think most just say "FU i go 64" |
| 12:12.19 | karl_w_w | coats zenzelezz in a fine layer of creosote |
| 12:13.45 | bluipodcow | Mmmmm |
| 12:13.48 | bluipodcow | Nom my |
| 12:13.56 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.09 | Kalroth | kinky |
| 12:24.44 | karl_w_w | is there a limit to how much loot you can see at once |
| 12:24.54 | karl_w_w | in a loot window not in rolls |
| 12:25.02 | VIad | no shouldn't be :) |
| 12:25.17 | VIad | for i=1,getnumloot etc. |
| 12:34.46 | VIad | karl_w_w: why do you ask? |
| 12:37.36 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: if you clear an entire instance in one place, then you might have to loot multiple times to get all items |
| 12:38.25 | Maldivia | so there seems to be a limit |
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| 12:53.03 | bluipodcow | In a loot window ? |
| 12:53.17 | bluipodcow | Seems to be 5 - 7 for me |
| 12:54.10 | karl_w_w | nah it's more than that |
| 12:54.51 | karl_w_w | run up to attument without aggroing him then attack him and tell me what the limit might be :P |
| 12:54.56 | karl_w_w | attumen* |
| 12:54.57 | Maldivia | I know when I was levelling a tailor, and running scarlet for Silk, pulling the entire instance, I had to loot 2-3 times to see it all |
| 12:55.04 | bluipodcow | I mean a second loot thingy comes up for the remaing itrms |
| 12:56.17 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: it's actually not that many |
| 12:56.23 | Maldivia | (how many that aggroes that is) |
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| 12:57.09 | Maldivia | but be prepared to be chain-stunned :) |
| 12:58.37 | karl_w_w | it's the fastest way i could thing of to get guaranteed more than 7 :P |
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| 13:04.12 | karl_w_w | woops |
| 13:04.22 | karl_w_w | i mirror imaged on maexxna |
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| 13:04.48 | karl_w_w | more than 1 target = she webs you for 60s |
| 13:05.20 | karl_w_w | but she dropped her pet, which was nice |
| 13:07.52 | bluipodcow | Brb |
| 13:07.54 | VIad | anyone on wow can try a /dump for me? |
| 13:09.14 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.27 | nevcairiel | thats a /run |
| 13:09.50 | VIad | that's correct nevcairiel! |
| 13:10.00 | nevcairiel | you asked for a /dump |
| 13:10.08 | karl_w_w | don't ask me to take a dump when you want me to run |
| 13:10.29 | VIad | run and take a dump at the same time, like a true marathon runner |
| 13:10.37 | karl_w_w | [21:10:13] 1 st [21:10:13] 2 nd [21:10:13] 3 nd [21:10:13] 4 nd [21:10:13] 5 nd |
| 13:11.15 | VIad | yeah I notice it didn't work |
| 13:11.18 | Maldivia | |4 only takes 2 arguments |
| 13:11.19 | VIad | that's weird |
| 13:11.22 | nevcairiel | its only meant for plural things, you cant make it do more |
| 13:11.33 | VIad | damn |
| 13:11.45 | VIad | the wiki said that "number |4singular:plural1:plural2;" works |
| 13:11.53 | VIad | I was hoping it would manage this task :( |
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| 13:13.22 | nevcairiel | the second plural is for some specific locale |
| 13:13.24 | nevcairiel | like russian |
| 13:14.22 | VIad | it's much easier to accomplish the st/nd/rd/th thing using something like (({"st", "nd", "rd"})[charVar] or "th") |
| 13:14.43 | nevcairiel | they didnt really design these grammar tasks for addons :p |
| 13:15.04 | Kalroth | worst syntax |
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| 13:15.35 | Maldivia | what is wrong with 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. etc :P |
| 13:15.37 | VIad | oh yeah Kalroth? impress me |
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| 13:16.13 | Kalroth | what about 11, 21, 32 etc?! |
| 13:16.35 | VIad | let me think |
| 13:17.29 | Maldivia | Kalroth: you do |4st:nd:rd:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:th:st:nd:rd:... etc :P |
| 13:17.39 | Kalroth | arghhh |
| 13:18.05 | VIad | ofc |
| 13:18.29 | Kalroth | http://maurits.tv/data/garrysmod/wiki/wiki.garrysmod.com/indexb1a5.html use the fixed version |
| 13:18.33 | VIad | or I rephrase it to "meeting number #" :P |
| 13:18.47 | karl_w_w | I don't think I have ever seen an addon that uses 1st 2nd etc |
| 13:18.53 | Stanzilla | USE A DOT |
| 13:18.54 | karl_w_w | I'm sure it's a coincidence |
| 13:18.56 | Stanzilla | like a non-retard |
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| 13:22.36 | VIad | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=281012#post281012 |
| 13:22.52 | VIad | using a dot is the easy way out :P |
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| 13:23.04 | Kalroth | orly |
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| 13:23.13 | VIad | the other way looks more esthetic |
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| 13:24.38 | VIad | LinkedIn keeps forcing me to access peoples invitation to connect, I wish I never had signed up for LinkedIn, I was just curious :/( |
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| 13:26.05 | VIad | anyone using linkedin? any benefits? |
| 13:26.15 | Maldivia | great for networking |
| 13:26.49 | VIad | what kind of networking? like facebook only for work? |
| 13:27.19 | Maldivia | something like that |
| 13:27.22 | zenzelezz | "networking", in LinkedIn, seems to be adding everyone you can find, and saying you have all kinds of skills you don't |
| 13:28.05 | nevcairiel | sounds like any social page |
| 13:28.40 | VIad | not sure if I feel so great about linkedin, with no authenticity I wonder what the point is to use it, I mean it's not like any employer will believe the profile anyway given I can write what I wish :P |
| 13:28.46 | Kalroth | linkedin is basically socialized resume sharing |
| 13:28.49 | Kalroth | thats it |
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| 13:30.12 | nevcairiel | we have a german work-network (Xing), and i frequently get job offers from head hunters. Of course they dont have to believe you, but if you lie and then send in your real resume, they might notice :p |
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| 13:31.44 | VIad | at my stage the problem is refering to practical experience relevant to the job I am applying for, rather than lacking the ability to contact employers or easily share my profile with employers :P |
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| 13:32.40 | VIad | sorry linkedin but you are benched for now |
| 13:33.17 | nevcairiel | speaking of, i got my second job offer from google last week, but i still don't want to move to work there.. oh well :p |
| 13:34.19 | Kalroth | yeah i read that google got issues hiring kitchen assistants |
| 13:34.26 | Kalroth | HEHE |
| 13:34.33 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: nice, as what? |
| 13:34.52 | nevcairiel | C++ development |
| 13:34.59 | nevcairiel | didnt specify what team specifically |
| 13:35.20 | nevcairiel | i could probably find out, but meh |
| 13:35.42 | VIad | I think it's kind of important to know what project it is, rather lame to end up coding C++ for something you don't enjoy right? |
| 13:35.42 | Stanzilla | google US or google DE? |
| 13:35.43 | nevcairiel | best case i would have to work in munich, worst case out of country, not feeling like moving |
| 13:35.55 | Stanzilla | gogo munich |
| 13:37.03 | VIad | knowing C++ or any other language doesn't mean you enjoy coding GUI elements or algorithms for tracking faces and such :P |
| 13:37.31 | VIad | so many fields of application, just "C++ dev" is kind of no info at all if you ask me |
| 13:37.47 | VIad | or did you apply for something specific nevcairiel? |
| 13:37.56 | nevcairiel | nah they approached me |
| 13:38.19 | nevcairiel | and you would most likely find out what you work on before you sign the contract |
| 13:38.25 | nevcairiel | i didnt bother to get that far |
| 13:39.10 | Stanzilla | nice opportunity though |
| 13:39.19 | nevcairiel | second one, even |
| 13:39.27 | nevcairiel | first was in mountain view, a few months back |
| 13:39.48 | Stanzilla | cool |
| 13:39.55 | Stanzilla | maybe for VP9 work |
| 13:39.59 | nevcairiel | this one could've at least been in munich, but still, moving city is not something i want to do right now |
| 13:40.12 | Stanzilla | why? lazy? |
| 13:40.14 | VIad | you a bachelor nevcairiel? |
| 13:40.14 | nevcairiel | not to mention moving country |
| 13:40.31 | nevcairiel | i am, still |
| 13:41.04 | nevcairiel | friends and family are all around here, out of country that would get impossible, and munich would be nearly the same, too far away for regular visits |
| 13:41.21 | Stanzilla | 1h flight |
| 13:41.25 | VIad | if you feel you master your current job and that you can't learn anything new and usefull in the future, I wouldn't mind looking into what google can offer in terms of personal development :P |
| 13:41.39 | VIad | but if you have a nice job and economically comfortable, screw google! |
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| 13:42.10 | nevcairiel | well thing is i actually have another new job coming up right now from a company that has been trying to get my to switch for the last few month, and i can stay in hamburg :P |
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| 13:42.55 | Stanzilla | oh |
| 13:42.56 | Stanzilla | which? |
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| 13:47.03 | nevcairiel | until its all final, i better not talk too much about it =p |
| 13:47.22 | VIad | that's smart - the channel IS logged |
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| 14:24.50 | mikma_ | nevcairiel: http://imgur.com/gallery/qmMkT0w |
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| 14:33.12 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/6AQDi7Z |
| 14:33.17 | bluspacecow | *giggle snort* |
| 14:36.44 | nevcairiel | mikma_: old |
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| 15:12.25 | VIad | hey bluspacecow |
| 15:12.35 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/ogxomFq |
| 15:15.01 | VIad | pictures of organized cables makes gives me the hots http://media.steampowered.com/apps/dota2/images/thebetaisover/server_02.jpg |
| 15:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, yummy Vlad. |
| 15:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | Spaghetti makes me sad, on the other hand. http://www.vibrant.com/images/cables/lopsa/do-not-touch.jpg |
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| 15:25.40 | Fisker | why juniper? |
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| 15:38.00 | alestane | "Do not touch any of these wires"... |
| 15:47.20 | End | freenode seems really screwy this morning... |
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| 15:54.49 | Semlar | welp that's what i get for not fully understanding what ZoomOut is supposed to do |
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| 15:55.33 | Semlar | i had a while(ZoomOut()) loop that crashed the game when i zoned into darkmoon isle |
| 15:56.17 | Semlar | it evidently can return true even if the map can't zoom out |
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| 16:15.41 | Stanzilla | that reminds me that I wanted to make sometzhing that zooms in my minimap when in combat |
| 16:19.04 | Semlar | shouldn't be too difficult |
| 16:19.29 | Semlar | it's just Minimap:SetZoom(1-6) |
| 16:19.45 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 16:20.33 | Semlar | indoor and outdoor zooms are separate but i don't think that should matter |
| 16:21.31 | Semlar | i guess if you moved between indoor and outdoor areas you'd have to reset the zoom |
| 16:21.53 | Semlar | i don't think you could just zoom in on combat start and zoom out when it finishes |
| 16:22.12 | Stanzilla | hrm |
| 16:22.13 | Stanzilla | damn |
| 16:22.17 | karl_w_w | there are reasons to have minimap on something other than zoomed out all the way? |
| 16:22.32 | Stanzilla | karl_w_w: you know those radars dbm and bigwigs have, right? |
| 16:22.43 | Semlar | it would be easier to see the distance between blips |
| 16:22.59 | karl_w_w | yes Stanzilla |
| 16:23.13 | Stanzilla | karl_w_w: I'm trying to save spacve and overlay the minimap with the radar |
| 16:23.26 | Stanzilla | and that does not match when the minimap is not zoomed in |
| 16:23.50 | karl_w_w | the range radar zooms in and out depending on what it's set to though |
| 16:24.53 | Stanzilla | never noticed that |
| 16:25.19 | Semlar | if you need the actual yard size of the minimap at a certain zoom it's a little annoying to get |
| 16:25.46 | Semlar | you have to figure out if it's set to outdoors or not first |
| 16:26.37 | karl_w_w | yeah the circle which indicates range is the same size whether you have it on 3 yards or 10 yards or whatever |
| 16:27.04 | Semlar | i think astrolabe will provide the size for you |
| 16:27.10 | Semlar | rather than writing a function for it |
| 16:28.20 | Semlar | otherwise you have to switch zooms and check the cvars |
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| 16:50.31 | bluspacecow | http://steamplaytime.appspot.com/ |
| 16:50.33 | bluspacecow | lulz |
| 16:54.21 | Thunder_Child | Meh, I find it to be inaccurate |
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| 17:02.01 | Fisker | it is |
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| 17:10.55 | Dagmar | *sigh* More things we don't really want to know about our Steam accounts. |
| 17:11.23 | Dagmar | I was in the habit of just hitting Exit and Save with Gnomoria--which doesn't actually exit--for about the last month. |
| 17:11.54 | Dagmar | It's now reporting like 550 hours played. |
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| 17:38.41 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9454255538 |
| 17:38.43 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 17:38.50 | bluspacecow | cliched accusation is cliched |
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| 18:21.26 | VIad | woot |
| 18:22.12 | VIad | such trolling |
| 18:22.49 | Fisker | new and exciting blu |
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| 19:14.27 | kd3 | emails away |
| 19:16.30 | kd3 | huh. actually removing stuff from the global environment? ...why'd it show up in the global environment to begin with? |
| 19:16.34 | kd3 | ponders at SecureCapsule |
| 19:17.47 | Stanzilla | first time gmail thinks that you are spam |
| 19:18.44 | kd3 | damn it, the account purge was supposed to fix this |
| 19:22.27 | End | hm |
| 19:23.13 | Ressy | I set up a filter to put anything from you in a specific folder, so none of your stuff hits spam folder. |
| 19:23.19 | End | well ok I think secure capsule should just be a C function to start with and the functions don't get exposed, but I'm not sure that really matters |
| 19:23.36 | End | I'm a bit worried about that usage of math though |
| 19:25.22 | End | oh wait they do copy |
| 19:25.24 | End | maybe that's ok then |
| 19:25.57 | kd3 | I'm kinda alarmed they're not piggybacking on the embedded browser and just handling it all on the webserver |
| 19:27.02 | End | that's what I expected them to do |
| 19:27.24 | Torhal | kd3: RE: Global environment - huh? |
| 19:27.37 | kd3 | scroll down to SecureCapsule.lua in the diff |
| 19:27.40 | End | the shopui uses globals that are exposed in the global environment |
| 19:28.16 | Torhal | Oh, that's to ensure that it CAN'T be tainted/fucked with |
| 19:28.18 | End | shopui is a load on demand so they put them in issecure() wrapped accessor and delete them from the environment |
| 19:28.21 | End | yeah |
| 19:30.58 | Fisker | gmail spam filter has been terrible the last few days |
| 19:31.43 | End | hm, I'm not sure what the ScopedModifer xml tag does, but maybe that'll protect from any attacks to the frame |
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| 19:33.25 | Torhal | ChanServ: help |
| 19:33.38 | Torhal | Gorram netsplits |
| 19:33.57 | kd3 | the skiddies are at it again |
| 19:34.03 | End | skittles |
| 19:34.16 | Neffi | skittles?! |
| 19:34.37 | End | that's what I said |
| 19:35.47 | Torhal | This is proof thaqt school needs to be in session all year. |
| 19:36.01 | Torhal | Little bastards have nothing to do but fuck with things they shouldn't. |
| 19:36.12 | Torhal | I blame Unkle. |
| 19:36.17 | Torhal | And Ackis. |
| 19:36.21 | Dashkal | Hah, you say that like people stop after graduation |
| 19:36.27 | Torhal | Shh! |
| 19:36.43 | Dashkal | pops Torhal's bubble |
| 19:36.58 | Torhal | MAH BUBBLE! |
| 19:37.09 | Unkle | backs off and nukes Torhal from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 19:37.11 | Kesava | ~log |
| 19:37.12 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 19:37.39 | Torhal | Oh, sure. You were peaceful until I lost my bubble. |
| 19:37.50 | Unkle | I totally bluewalled you. |
| 19:38.26 | Torhal | ...but you aren't a cop! |
| 19:39.08 | Kesava | .. where are the PTR diffs these days? |
| 19:39.18 | Torhal | Kesava: kd3 |
| 19:39.19 | kd3 | I'm still sending them out |
| 19:39.23 | End | if you're nice and won't call him a spammer...I'm slow |
| 19:39.35 | End | if you're nice and won't call him a spammer, kd3 can send them to you |
| 19:39.37 | kd3 | did you not respond to the opt-in request? only people who replied kept getting emails |
| 19:40.43 | Kesava | oh i see, i never knew you sent any |
| 19:40.46 | Kesava | i'm "new" here |
| 19:40.59 | kd3 | ah. /msg me an email address and I'll start sending them your way |
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| 19:55.32 | p3lim | Services still down? :/ |
| 19:55.43 | Torhal | p3lim: Unfortunately :/ |
| 19:56.11 | pompy | freenode? |
| 19:56.44 | Torhal | Yes |
| 19:56.46 | p3lim | Sucks, some channels I want to talk in require me to be identified |
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| 20:00.19 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:00.21 | Guest22333 | :< |
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| 20:00.35 | VIad | is identifier service down? |
| 20:00.47 | AcidWeb | yep |
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| 20:01.59 | Semlar | stop that |
| 20:02.15 | VIad | weird why it lets me keep Vlad as it's registered too :P |
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| 20:27.51 | VIad | so... irc is kind of dead, what's up? |
| 20:28.09 | VIad | any fund going on? |
| 20:29.09 | Neffi | nope |
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| 20:31.54 | VIad | jawn |
| 20:32.28 | zenzelezz | is that a comment on the pacing in Jaws? |
| 20:32.54 | VIad | if jawning is a comment then I am a commentator right now |
| 20:34.50 | VIad | I wondr when series stopped being 20 min and started being 45min+ wasn't aware when this happen, haven't seen many series before netflix :P |
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| 20:47.54 | zenzelezz | I've only seen it go the other way |
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| 20:52.15 | VIad | ~status |
| 20:52.15 | purl | Since Tue Jul 9 10:18:26 2013, there have been 6 modifications, 122 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 54 commands. I have been awake for 1d 10h 33m 49s this session, and currently reference 119089 factoids. I'm using about 23572 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 404.06/7.63 child 0/0 |
| 20:52.26 | VIad | ~stats |
| 20:52.26 | purl | Since Tue Jul 9 10:18:26 2013, there have been 6 modifications, 122 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 54 commands. I have been awake for 1d 10h 34m this session, and currently reference 119089 factoids. I'm using about 23572 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 404.22/7.64 child 0/0 |
| 20:52.34 | VIad | noo, not those stats dummy |
| 20:52.41 | VIad | ~info |
| 20:53.00 | VIad | purl whispered me "updating debian files" wuut? |
| 20:53.31 | VIad | package "" doesn't exist, nice |
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| 21:21.14 | VIad | ~purl are you ok? |
| 21:21.21 | VIad | I forgot how to purl :( |
| 21:21.34 | VIad | ~whois p3lim |
| 21:21.46 | p3lim | WHO ARE YOU |
| 21:21.54 | VIad | ~whois purl |
| 21:21.54 | purl | it has been said that purl is male |
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| 21:22.05 | VIad | purl, p3lim is awesome |
| 21:22.05 | purl | VIad: okay |
| 21:22.11 | VIad | ~whois p3lim |
| 21:22.11 | purl | p3lim is, like, awesome |
| 21:22.13 | VIad | :D |
| 21:22.14 | p3lim | blushes |
| 21:22.39 | zenzelezz | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 21:22.40 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 21:23.04 | VIad | ~emulate Torhal |
| 21:23.05 | purl | Ackis, it's ALL your fault! |
| 21:23.46 | Kalroth | ~emulate purl |
| 21:23.46 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 21:24.06 | VIad | didn't purl say it's a he? |
| 21:24.09 | VIad | something is fishy... |
| 21:24.22 | zenzelezz | no, someone changed that factoid to back their point |
| 21:24.53 | VIad | ~emulate Vlad |
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| 21:25.53 | VIad | what exactly does the new battle net client provide, feature wise? |
| 21:26.02 | VIad | like a IM service or? |
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| 21:30.23 | p3lim | IM and logins before starting the game |
| 21:30.25 | p3lim | and repairs |
| 21:30.49 | VIad | good news, I've missed the out of game repair tool |
| 21:30.52 | p3lim | Basically, once logged into the client you will skip the login screen in any of the games, going directly to the charscreen/dashboard |
| 21:31.18 | Thunder_Child_ | Does that mean it does realtime updates? |
| 21:31.33 | zenzelezz | I bet that's the entire reason; so they don't have to make new login screens each expansion |
| 21:32.22 | Thunder_Child_ | zenzelezz: Unless they make the client mandatory they still have to do it |
| 21:32.40 | zenzelezz | oh, they're not? |
| 21:32.53 | VIad | is the client 3d accelerated or? |
| 21:33.24 | VIad | like you start it and it runs fullscreen borderless and you pick the game and it loads the game up in the same window (like steam overlay kind of) |
| 21:33.35 | VIad | shift tab between game and the launcher screen thingy |
| 21:33.56 | VIad | or is it just a more advanced launcher for all the games without integration? |
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| 22:29.42 | Guest28041 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6023069 |
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| 22:30.24 | Adys | "The question I ask myself is, which one would be easier to implement, text based or binary format? I guess I'd lean towards text based" |
| 22:30.26 | Adys | fool |
| 22:30.37 | Adys | you're in for much of a surprise |
| 22:32.40 | Dashkal | But but but, now I can't just wireshark and read what's going on without having to spend five minutes writing a parser blob? |
| 22:33.04 | Adys | gl wiresharking https either way |
| 22:34.22 | Dashkal | But but but... yeah, even in jest I got nothing |
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| 22:47.20 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/avZ8jkM.jpg |
| 22:47.31 | Neffi | essential life information |
| 22:52.43 | zenzelezz | "According to Anatoly Zak, the crash of the Russion Proton rocket on 1 July was apparently caused by several angular velocity sensors having been installed upside down." o_O |
| 22:52.59 | iShirik | Good job Russians |
| 22:53.12 | iShirik | Why is that not in your preflight checks |
| 22:54.15 | iShirik | Interestingly enough you would think software could correct for that |
| 22:54.43 | cogwheel1 | or make the thing physically asymmetric so that can't happen |
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| 23:00.40 | karl_w_w | or just don't fuckin install them upside down |
| 23:01.23 | Thunder_Child | Because you have never made a mistake. |
| 23:01.25 | iShirik | People are stupid |
| 23:01.36 | iShirik | Part of engineering is designing for stupidity |
| 23:02.30 | karl_w_w | I can say with certainty I have never made a mistake while building billion dollar rockets |
| 23:03.26 | iShirik | Have you ever done anything right while building billion dollar rockets? |
| 23:03.47 | zenzelezz | things go wrong sometimes, but as said, quality control should usually pick up on them |
| 23:04.03 | zenzelezz | would've been nice for example if they'd double-checked Hubble's mirror before launching it |
| 23:04.41 | zenzelezz | IIRC that was all because of a tiny misalignment on the manufacturing equipment or something to that effect |
| 23:05.44 | karl_w_w | well that was eerie, hearing the siren from the silent hill movie in real life |
| 23:07.43 | zenzelezz | I hope you checked what was up |
| 23:07.48 | zenzelezz | or you could be in for an awkward time |
| 23:13.11 | karl_w_w | I'm very blase about it, I'm pretty sure there are no blind murderous knife-weilding nurses around here |
| 23:13.30 | kd3 | the problem is, pretty sure isn't necessarily sure enough |
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