| 00:02.33 | Ressy | Anyone know what class, race, etc I need to be to get leatherworking as a profession with the lvl 90 ptr template? |
| 00:02.43 | Ressy | Everything seems to be Enchanting/JC |
| 00:10.22 | pompy | Ackis: http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/07/pacific-rim-super-ticket-ultraviolet/ |
| 00:35.36 | Neffi__ | Anyone play Skyrim PC? |
| 00:35.44 | Neffi__ | Recommended mods that's don't fuck with the spirit of the game? |
| 00:48.38 | Stanzilla | just found this again https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/327958691552829440 |
| 00:48.41 | Stanzilla | facepalming hard |
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| 00:56.57 | Neffi__ | lol |
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| 02:11.27 | Thunder_Child | Neffi__: Updated graphics if you can handle it. |
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| 02:21.20 | Neffi__ | Nah |
| 02:21.32 | Neffi__ | And holy FUCK Azshara is a hellhole of shitty fucking buggy asshole design |
| 02:21.48 | Neffi__ | "Hey we implemented phasing, let's use it to FUCK over anyone leveling here" |
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| 02:24.18 | Thunder_Child | Neffi__: 'Spirit' is subjective. I always remove weight limitations because I don't find that enjoyable. |
| 02:24.33 | Thunder_Child | And why would I play a game that makes me unhappy? |
| 02:41.37 | karl_w_w | self-loathing? |
| 02:43.25 | Thunder_Child | Nope, I loathe others |
| 02:54.44 | kd3 | blah |
| 02:54.49 | kd3 | just got started in spacechem |
| 02:54.53 | kd3 | hard shit is hard |
| 02:55.46 | Thunder_Child | Never let an actual chem person play it. Nothing but bitching. |
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| 03:00.17 | ZorbaBeta | spacechem is brutal. every level is "I don't know how they can make it tougher and still possible" |
| 03:00.19 | ZorbaBeta | then you go to the next level and find out :( |
| 03:01.17 | xyphoid | and if you stop playing for more than a week you have to basically start again |
| 03:01.49 | Arrowmaster | it gets really interesting when the flip switches are added |
| 03:03.05 | ZorbaBeta | I've got a friend who was, for a while, trying completely absurd challenges in spacechem and succeeding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfR-Dv4f15o is my favorite what-the-fuck-were-you-smoking-when-you-managed-this example |
| 03:03.37 | Thunder_Child | I am unamused that a boxed software is more expensive than the download copy. |
| 03:04.08 | Arrowmaster | the boxed copy was a special edition kinda thing, i have a signed one |
| 03:04.25 | Thunder_Child | not of that software |
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| 03:14.26 | karl_w_w | makers perfect sense to me Thunder_Child |
| 03:14.47 | karl_w_w | boxes and discs and booklets and freight aren't free |
| 03:15.19 | Thunder_Child | crap I got that backwards karl_w_w. It's cheaper |
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| 04:04.54 | Neffi__ | Heh |
| 04:05.32 | Neffi__ | Fireliminator X-21 -- if you try to use it in Cat Form, it says "Requires Opposable Thumbs" |
| 04:17.12 | Fisker | i feel sick Thunder_Child |
| 04:18.35 | Thunder_Child | Fisker: At some point if you feel 'sick' enough it tends to become normal and no longer an illness. |
| 04:20.38 | Fisker | ok |
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| 04:35.56 | airtonix | Fisker: mad? |
| 04:36.01 | Fisker | nomad |
| 04:37.17 | airtonix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxQwJ_bJUXA |
| 04:38.31 | airtonix | fully sick mate |
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| 04:42.04 | airtonix | also Fisker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75tWHgg5L8 |
| 04:42.43 | Neffi__ | wtf |
| 04:43.50 | karl_w_w | that was fully sick airtonix |
| 04:43.54 | karl_w_w | but still terrible |
| 04:44.13 | airtonix | blame habib |
| 04:44.52 | karl_w_w | okay |
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| 05:09.32 | Fisker | west coast airtonix |
| 05:10.18 | airtonix | shit yesss! synergy on android |
| 05:10.42 | airtonix | http://sourceforge.net/projects/synergyandroid/ |
| 05:11.15 | Fisker | no thanks airtonix |
| 05:14.16 | airtonix | Fisker: but we can begin upsizing vertical markets with a moving forward dynamic approach to a wholistically synergistical profit growth percentage. |
| 05:14.30 | airtonix | also: cloud |
| 05:14.34 | kd3 | 's brain bleeds out of his ears |
| 05:18.07 | End | you should get some bandages for your ears kd3 |
| 05:18.19 | End | brain is more precious than blood |
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| 07:30.09 | Sintacks | if not something or something |
| 07:30.31 | Sintacks | is that if "not this" or "not this" OR is it if "not this" or "this" |
| 07:30.33 | Sintacks | o.O |
| 07:31.39 | zenzelezz | which language? |
| 07:31.45 | Sintacks | lua |
| 07:31.55 | Sintacks | elseif not UnitIsRaidOfficer("player") or UnitIsGroupLeader("player") then |
| 07:31.57 | Sintacks | is the actual line |
| 07:32.09 | zenzelezz | I do not know for sure, but that looks weird to me |
| 07:32.10 | karl_w_w | "not this" or "this" |
| 07:32.31 | Sintacks | so i need another not to check if to see that i have neither of them |
| 07:32.48 | Sintacks | or am i wrong |
| 07:32.52 | Sintacks | i r confuse |
| 07:32.53 | karl_w_w | elseif not (UnitIsRaidOfficer("player") or UnitIsGroupLeader("player")) then |
| 07:32.58 | Sintacks | that works |
| 07:33.05 | Sintacks | huggles karl_w_w |
| 07:33.09 | Sintacks | i'm not awake |
| 07:33.14 | zenzelezz | what's the purpose anyway? |
| 07:33.39 | Sintacks | to throw an error if i don't have assist or raid lead |
| 07:36.21 | karl_w_w | wouldn't it be neater if you checked first |
| 07:36.45 | karl_w_w | put everything in "if UnitIsRaidOfficer("player") or UnitIsGroupLeader("player") then stuff else error |
| 07:38.05 | Sintacks | well, the wya it's coded (cuz i didn't write it, i'm fixing it) is it checks for a raid, then raid lead, then proper syntax and then finally, does what it's supposed to do |
| 07:51.57 | Adys | anyone with steam for windows open right now? |
| 07:53.36 | nevcairiel | i could open it in 5 seconds |
| 07:53.53 | zenzelezz | mine's open |
| 07:54.18 | Adys | zenzelezz: open a chat window with a friend |
| 07:54.32 | Adys | can you tell me to roughly what minimum size it can be resized to? |
| 07:54.46 | zenzelezz | sure, hang on |
| 07:54.51 | nevcairiel | Adys: not very small |
| 07:54.59 | Adys | ok so it does have a minimum size |
| 07:55.03 | Adys | what about the main steam window? |
| 07:55.27 | nevcairiel | main steam window is like 1152x648 minimum if paint doesnt lie |
| 07:55.39 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
| 07:55.41 | nevcairiel | it did lie |
| 07:55.45 | Adys | alright thanks |
| 07:55.45 | zenzelezz | for me, chat stops at 396x351 |
| 07:55.53 | nevcairiel | main steam is 900x600 |
| 07:56.18 | zenzelezz | yup, here too |
| 07:56.44 | nevcairiel | and i can also confirm zenzelezz chat window size |
| 07:57.55 | Adys | thanks |
| 08:02.50 | mitch0 | how to get direct-link of a wowi comment? |
| 08:05.24 | zenzelezz | welp... sounds like a neighbour isn't very fond of his Mac. He's having a "chat" with someone outside about it, and at least every third word is a curse |
| 08:17.32 | airtonix | turns on the nsa radio |
| 08:17.43 | airtonix | i like what he is saying |
| 08:19.16 | karl_w_w | lol this pally in lfr |
| 08:19.26 | karl_w_w | is absolutely rocking the meters using valanyr |
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| 13:41.07 | VIad | far cry 3, awesome gameplay but the ending wasn't that good, tough the buildup to the ending was actionpacked and fun :P |
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| 14:44.15 | airtonix | though* |
| 14:44.52 | airtonix | far cry 3 runs awesome on linux, i had lots of fun with it. |
| 14:45.37 | airtonix | i'm playing mass effect 3 at the moment |
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| 14:48.27 | bluipodcow | Ha ha |
| 14:48.42 | bluipodcow | Thought I lost my iPod |
| 14:49.05 | bluipodcow | Damn these thin devices |
| 14:49.19 | bluipodcow | It was under something ! |
| 14:50.44 | VIad | bluipodcow: ! |
| 14:51.14 | VIad | airtonix: mass effect 3 is a fun game too, though I feel story wise much better :3 |
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| 15:11.01 | |Jelly| | THAT'S NO MOON! |
| 15:11.21 | TC-Work | That's a space |
| 15:11.26 | Unkle | That's a space station. |
| 15:11.39 | Unkle | is tired. |
| 15:12.22 | TC-Work | It's monday, that's normal. |
| 15:15.00 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:21.11 | bluipodcow | A post complaining that a ticket response time of over two hours in unacceptable |
| 15:21.21 | bluipodcow | Now I've seen everything |
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| 15:32.05 | Torhal | bluipodcow: Everyone knows that Blizzard has a 1:1 ratio of customers to support staff. |
| 15:33.14 | Unkle | Because you know, the Irvine, CA compound holds 10 million employees. |
| 15:33.31 | Torhal | Two ours is pretty fucking awesome. |
| 15:33.34 | Torhal | hours* |
| 15:35.33 | bluipodcow | Lol hi2u Torhal |
| 15:35.39 | Torhal | Aloha |
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| 16:01.46 | Lopeppeppy | Checklists! I got 'em! |
| 16:02.32 | zenzelezz | joy! |
| 16:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Moving in 4 days, OMFG. |
| 16:03.08 | zenzelezz | I'm on vacation from today... kitty's all confused about me being home |
| 16:03.32 | Lopeppeppy | You've disrupted her routine. A cat doesn't have to enjoy that. |
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| 16:11.31 | bluipodcow | Is send blu cookies on one of those checklists ? |
| 16:13.10 | Lopeppeppy | No. Buy takeout is top on the list, because all of my silverware is packed. |
| 16:13.21 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:13.46 | Fisker | hey Torhal the customer to tickets ratio isn't 1:1 either |
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| 16:23.49 | Maldivia | hmm - anyone here watched True Blood? |
| 16:24.46 | Semlar | maybe |
| 16:25.04 | nevcairiel | only the first few eps |
| 16:25.13 | nevcairiel | the accent made me feel weird |
| 16:25.43 | Semlar | sadly i already live in the south |
| 16:25.59 | nevcairiel | i do kinda plan to watch it though |
| 16:26.39 | Maldivia | ok - so noone is watching current season, because I was wondering how much in royalties Joss Whedon was getting |
| 16:27.06 | Semlar | for what |
| 16:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | Hopefully less than the author? |
| 16:27.47 | Maldivia | well, so far season 6 of true blood is a complete ripoff of buffy |
| 16:28.31 | Semlar | there were like a million episodes of buffy |
| 16:29.14 | Semlar | they probably covered every vampire theme |
| 16:29.47 | Maldivia | I'm talking major story of a season |
| 16:29.49 | Semlar | i think i saw the first episode of the most recent season but that's it |
| 16:30.03 | Lopeppeppy | Not his fault the author isn't very original, and that Buffy had so much time to touch on all seven of the original plot objects in so many different ways. |
| 16:30.18 | Lopeppeppy | but yes, it's not uncommon for the same director/producer to get repetitive. |
| 16:30.31 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: current season has about nothing to do with the southern vampire book series :P |
| 16:31.05 | Lopeppeppy | Well that's stupid then, what's the point? Oh, right - I think she ended the book series, wouldn't want the television series fans to be disappointed! |
| 16:31.19 | Maldivia | there are like 13 books in the seruies :P |
| 16:31.36 | Maldivia | well, characters from the book, and some of the events are present in the tv series |
| 16:31.43 | Maldivia | but doesn't go as in the books though |
| 16:32.12 | Lopeppeppy | Never does, they always have to change things - but the overall plot should be the same, roughly. If a character and a character hook up in the books, they should in the show, etc. |
| 16:32.30 | Semlar | why |
| 16:32.36 | Maldivia | well, I think book 6 is the aftermath of Huricane Katrina... so |
| 16:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | They could not include some people in the show, they could re-write some things (like they did with Harry Dresden), as long as you recognize the purpose. |
| 16:36.01 | Maldivia | the major problem true blood suffers from, is it has too many characters |
| 16:37.23 | Maldivia | and trying to give all of them stories... just makes none of them get anything good |
| 16:47.07 | Semlar | it's no vampire prosecutor |
| 16:47.43 | pompy | http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2013/07/porn-on-youtube-leads-to-premium-rate-sms-scams/ it's blurred. |
| 16:50.38 | zenzelezz | who wants blurred porn :( |
| 16:51.41 | Semlar | a better question is how lazy would you have to be to try and find porn on youtube |
| 16:54.29 | Semlar | Maldivia: when does true blood turn into buffy since i only saw the first episode of the season |
| 16:55.30 | Maldivia | Semlar: well, TB season 6, is like a mashup of Buffy S4 and S5 |
| 16:55.42 | Maldivia | so far anyway |
| 17:01.45 | Semlar | i'll keep that in mind |
| 17:02.33 | zenzelezz | so when can we expect Hannigan? |
| 17:03.30 | Maldivia | there is already a sassy redhead in true blood called Arlene :P |
| 17:03.37 | Semlar | which one is spike |
| 17:04.04 | Maldivia | semi-good vampire with a non-us accent... Eric? |
| 17:04.28 | Semlar | i don't think anyone could fill those shoes |
| 17:06.07 | Neffi__ | How dare you question my ability to fill shoes |
| 17:06.13 | Neffi__ | I fill my own shoes well enough, thank you |
| 17:06.23 | bluipodcow | Constipated look I used to be a mass murder but now I pine over a girl guy ? |
| 17:06.33 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 17:06.43 | bluipodcow | Ie do they have an Angel ? |
| 17:07.24 | Maldivia | and as for a goofball, you have Xander/Jason? |
| 17:07.56 | Semlar | god dammit i guess bill could be angel |
| 17:08.12 | zenzelezz | bluipodcow: that sounded more like Max Payne |
| 17:08.44 | Maldivia | so Cordelia... Pam or Tara? |
| 17:14.22 | Fisker | lots of japenese people do zenzelezz |
| 17:20.27 | zenzelezz | true |
| 17:23.08 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhM-DuM2WgE <- i get it! |
| 17:26.22 | Elkano | Fisker, no they don't... they're just forced to produce it that way for there own market... thus many reimport the unblurred version from the outside ;) |
| 17:31.16 | Fisker | i was unaware of that |
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| 17:52.52 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 17:52.56 | Fisker | why won't libresinfo shut up? |
| 17:53.06 | bluipodcow | I dunno lol |
| 17:53.17 | bluipodcow | Beeees ? |
| 17:53.32 | Fisker | bees |
| 17:55.38 | Semlar | covered in bees? |
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| 18:05.15 | Lopeppeppy | Woot. Last of our interviews to get me a new Awesome CoWorker. |
| 18:05.42 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:05.44 | Fisker | is it me? |
| 18:06.00 | VIad | hmm... ubisoft has a save file encryption system in place, I can't download someone elses save to play earlier missions :( |
| 18:06.37 | VIad | you have one saveslot and the autosave slot so you can't really keep several saves in-game, should do this outside the game by doing backups of the save folder :P but I didn't think of this then hehe |
| 18:06.42 | Fisker | :) |
| 18:07.03 | VIad | never the less, kind of lame to encrypt the saves with the username :/ |
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| 18:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I don't think you would enjoy my work environment. |
| 18:07.28 | zenzelezz | which game VIad? |
| 18:07.47 | VIad | I think it encrypts for all games (uplay, their launcher) but the game I played is far cry 3 |
| 18:08.20 | nevcairiel | i would actually be surprised if its actually encrypted, probably just checks the username to match or something |
| 18:08.35 | bluipodcow | I'm too far away to be considered Peppy |
| 18:09.07 | Fisker | aww Lopeppeppy :( |
| 18:09.13 | Fisker | i once saw the most insane encryption nevcairiel |
| 18:09.23 | nevcairiel | was it rot13? |
| 18:09.24 | Fisker | it was <obvious base 64>\\ |
| 18:09.27 | Fisker | \\ = == |
| 18:09.29 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 18:09.49 | Fisker | i wonder why they bothered |
| 18:09.55 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: no no, they wanted it a bit more secure, so they went for double rot13 |
| 18:10.06 | nevcairiel | oh ok |
| 18:10.07 | Fisker | quad rot13 |
| 18:11.45 | bluipodcow | Quad rot13 with added Twinkie rotation |
| 18:12.09 | Lopeppeppy | HR has no sense of humor, remember? |
| 18:12.10 | bluipodcow | Ie you has to be holding a Twinkie the correct way to decrypt |
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| 18:12.16 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: couldn't be any worse than mine. |
| 18:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | Every interviewee asks for information about health/insurance benefits. We can only give them the HR number, who will only tell them to stop by and pick up a brochure for current information. |
| 18:13.58 | Lopeppeppy | I hate that part. |
| 18:13.59 | TC-Work | You can't hand them a brochure? |
| 18:14.12 | nevcairiel | yeah bring a brochure to the intervew already :p |
| 18:15.02 | nevcairiel | its really kinda relaxing not havint to think about that much |
| 18:15.03 | VIad | nevcairiel: according to some tools out there it encrypts/decrypts using username, there are so "hacks" to change how the dll works when reading/writing to enable people to mitigate older version saves and stuff but meh, so much work :P |
| 18:15.29 | nevcairiel | although as irony would have it, since i'm looking to be employed by a US company without offices in my country, i actually have to figure out how that works :p |
| 18:15.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, TC. We are not HR representatives, we cannot hand out such important materials. |
| 18:16.46 | karl_w_w | kill lei shen to get my final runestone -> next quest is to kill lei shen |
| 18:16.51 | karl_w_w | dat trolling |
| 18:17.02 | nevcairiel | sucks to be lei shen |
| 18:17.08 | nevcairiel | all that getting killed |
| 18:18.12 | Unkle | Health, safety and benefit information has some pretty draconian legislation surrounding it. Lots of 'unintended consequences' of trying to 'protect workers' have resulted. And if you're in the education field, those laws get even more byzantine |
| 18:18.48 | nevcairiel | simply tell HR to send some dofus with authorization to hand them out to your interview location :D |
| 18:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | Very important safety rules for handing out a brochure, Unkle. *wink* |
| 18:18.57 | Lopeppeppy | is shocked! |
| 18:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, they can't participate in first level interviews! |
| 18:19.23 | nevcairiel | just hand out brochures |
| 18:20.02 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: I know, right? You know how many people ask their spouse or assistant or the like to get information for them ... and then HR is like "I can't talk to you." |
| 18:20.28 | nevcairiel | assistant i could understand |
| 18:20.56 | nevcairiel | spouse is another deal though |
| 18:21.15 | VIad | Unkle: even if that person signs a letter that grants permission to? |
| 18:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | It's an around-campus joke, that there's no sense talking benefits until the second round, when HR actually attends anyway. |
| 18:21.37 | bluipodcow | Home to beds tiems |
| 18:22.45 | Unkle | VIad: There are provisions for care-giver and those with power of attorney - but those don't help when you ask your wife/husband/partner to call and ask about health benefits while you're doing something else. |
| 18:23.02 | VIad | hmm |
| 18:24.31 | VIad | in norway it's okay to sign a letter yourself and let someone else use that, even represent you in your place |
| 18:25.11 | Unkle | You have to think ahead and prepare. And there are other laws that require ID verification, etc. to make sure you don't accidentally give someone's private data out. |
| 18:25.17 | TC-Work | Awesome, If I was going to get arrested, I would have someone represent me. |
| 18:25.21 | VIad | there is a word for that in the law world, but I can't remember it... and yeah you gotta plan a head kind of :/ |
| 18:25.26 | TC-Work | "No no, I signed a paper, take him." |
| 18:25.30 | Unkle | VIad: That's called Power of Attorney |
| 18:26.29 | VIad | private people have certain amount of power, maybe I can't write a letter and let someone else represent me :P but I could let that person for instance, talk to my HR guy instead of me and query what it's about - maybe not trough a call though |
| 18:27.16 | nevcairiel | i dont think they are required to talk to that other person anyway |
| 18:27.27 | VIad | shrug |
| 18:27.29 | nevcairiel | even if potentially allowed to |
| 18:28.26 | Cairenn | VIad: proxy |
| 18:28.37 | Unkle | Really, in most cases there's an honest desire to protect the privacy of the employee or student. Just means things get byzantine. |
| 18:28.56 | VIad | thanks Cairenn, thats one word :P |
| 18:29.18 | Unkle | Certainly wouldn't do if just anyone could call HR and find out what my coverage is. |
| 18:29.18 | Cairenn | Also, as Unkle said, Power of Attorney |
| 18:30.26 | VIad | would be akward if HR wanted to talk to you about a sexual harassment claim, but instead your wife went to take your place in that meeting :P |
| 18:37.25 | VIad | far cry 3 blood dragon has a lot of funky 80s themed songs :3 |
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| 19:28.33 | Sajaki | hi, could i use EJ_GetCreatureInfo to get a dump of boss info from wow ? |
| 19:37.30 | zenzelezz | did you try? |
| 19:39.31 | Sajaki | no but function name sounds promising |
| 19:40.12 | TC-Work | I think his point was to try first. |
| 19:41.06 | karl_w_w | thank you so much blizzard for putting the "range dps challenge" in a room where blink bugs |
| 19:41.16 | karl_w_w | because hey, mages aren't range dps right? |
| 19:41.17 | End | I think there are some weird issues dealing with that family of functions, but I've not touched them myself |
| 19:41.45 | End | karl_w_w: so business as normal? :P |
| 19:42.00 | karl_w_w | shit's broken |
| 19:42.00 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: that's every room in the game... |
| 19:42.02 | karl_w_w | so yeah |
| 19:42.12 | karl_w_w | nah not really Maldivia |
| 19:42.23 | End | it seems broken in a lot of areas |
| 19:42.30 | Neffi__ | Mages are DPS? News to me |
| 19:42.32 | karl_w_w | most raid boss rooms are fine, almost as if they test it |
| 19:42.33 | Maldivia | ok, it's not as broken as it used to be then |
| 19:42.44 | End | or at least our mage has a lot of trouble with it |
| 19:43.33 | End | although, probably the funniest mage bug to me is frozen orb running off into the water on meg |
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| 19:44.21 | End | (he's had less issues after using it only during rampage though) |
| 19:45.44 | karl_w_w | FUCK sake |
| 19:46.20 | mikma | http://youtu.be/1rGcn2XGr48 - Fart of God |
| 19:49.08 | karl_w_w | yeah, smashed his face in that time |
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| 20:05.24 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.35 | Kesava | haven't been able to search about it but i assume it's not just me.. |
| 20:06.00 | Kesava | I'm getting fontstrings give me "Font not set" even though.. I've set it |
| 20:07.47 | kd3 | does the same code work in the live client? |
| 20:07.57 | Kesava | yup, just fine, always has done |
| 20:08.12 | kd3 | check your ptr/Logs/FrameXML.log file and post it on pastebin? |
| 20:11.06 | Kesava | nothing relating to it in there: http://pastebin.com/xgJG2ep3 |
| 20:11.28 | Kesava | also there are no calls to my create-font-string function which have a nil or non-existing font set so.. it's confusing |
| 20:12.01 | kd3 | hm |
| 20:12.28 | Kesava | i do :GetFont on it later in a function to modify the flags, that's the first sign I get that the font isn't set |
| 20:13.48 | Kesava | Oh, ok, I just worked it out I think |
| 20:14.24 | Kesava | I was doing :GetFont -immediately- after SetFont for.. some reason, and it seems like GetFont doesn't work immediately after anymore. |
| 20:14.40 | Kesava | .. but it does work later. |
| 20:16.26 | Kesava | how long "later" is is something I can't work out but I gather it might be on the frame after the font's been set |
| 20:16.47 | Kesava | regardless, makes me realise I was doing something a bit silly really. Yay. |
| 20:17.15 | kd3 | I'd posit that it'll show up the next OnUpdate, but hey, looks like you've got it worked out |
| 20:17.30 | Maldivia | http://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-subway-electrocution-kills-man-2013-7 |
| 20:17.57 | End | Kesava: I thought I heard something about font trouble |
| 20:17.59 | TC-Work | Darwin Award? |
| 20:18.23 | kd3 | either way, you still may want to post in the ptr bug report forum <http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/9344480/> so blizz sees it |
| 20:18.49 | Kesava | EU doesn't have one of those :< |
| 20:19.04 | Maldivia | TC-Work: I was thinking... that'll teach him... and then... too late |
| 20:19.18 | End | the particular issue I seem to recall occured if you were trying to do font stuff really early on login |
| 20:19.34 | End | I want to say MysticalOS mentioned it? |
| 20:20.11 | Kesava | End: it was happening whenever I did it, I think I did see it on another addon though |
| 20:20.18 | Kesava | otherwise I would've assumed it was just me and not come here |
| 20:20.34 | MysticalOS | shadowed unit frames and weak auras are both affected by it right now, and only on ptr |
| 20:26.08 | TC-Work | Maldivia: maybe it tought the other guy a bit about physics? |
| 20:31.40 | VIad | why can't EU post on the US forums? same login system, but it says I have no characters on US realms and that makes me unable to post on the PTR section (or any other section) |
| 20:32.29 | Maldivia | TC-Work: hopefully |
| 20:32.41 | Kalroth | VIad: it never ends well when you mix Ancient Superior Continent with island of war criminals and politicians |
| 20:32.52 | VIad | :P |
| 20:33.42 | Unkle | Kalroth: I'm offended. You neglected to mention iconoclasts and dissidents! |
| 20:34.28 | TC-Work | Yea, and why bring Australia into this conversation? |
| 20:34.51 | Kalroth | Australia isn't an island, dummy!! |
| 20:35.05 | TC-Work | it's 50/50 |
| 20:35.44 | Kalroth | so half of it is an island, other half is a continent |
| 20:35.51 | Unkle | Compared to the US, which is not at all like an island. |
| 20:36.11 | Kalroth | pfft, if it wasn't for Canada you guys would be drifting away |
| 20:36.20 | Neffi__ | Everything's an island on a large enough scale |
| 20:36.27 | Kalroth | Canada is your fedora |
| 20:36.41 | Unkle | On behalf of latin-american countries... I pick my teeth at you, senior! |
| 20:37.07 | Kalroth | South America is their nutsack .. sorry |
| 20:37.43 | Kalroth | (nuts for the squirrels of course, you pervert) |
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| 20:38.41 | Unkle | http://illwillpress.com/ |
| 20:41.35 | Cairenn | rawr! foamy |
| 20:41.57 | Unkle | standard issue - Kevorkian Scarves. |
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| 21:22.31 | Kesava | oh thank god they reverted the infinite-range nameplates change |
| 21:22.46 | Kesava | slash-bug |
| 21:22.47 | Semlar | what? |
| 21:23.08 | Kesava | on the PTR, nameplates were showing up for every unit within vision range |
| 21:23.15 | Semlar | awesome |
| 21:23.38 | Kesava | me and other nameplate authors were very concerned about the performance impact |
| 21:24.26 | Semlar | i wrote an example script on wowi that demonstrates a way to modify the nameplates without killing the framerate |
| 21:24.36 | Kesava | oh, it's you |
| 21:24.40 | Kesava | yeah i replied to that topic actually |
| 21:25.00 | Kesava | even with their nameplates though, it still damages it somewhat |
| 21:25.37 | Semlar | i wonder if hiding their nameplate and just making your own would improve anything |
| 21:25.51 | Kesava | hiding it as in :Hiding it definitely does improve it, yes |
| 21:26.07 | Kesava | but that causes issues with other nameplate addons, so unless you're making something really minimal you can't really do that |
| 21:26.08 | Semlar | the way the nameplates are designed doesn't seem to be very good |
| 21:26.26 | Kesava | indeed |
| 21:28.44 | Shadowed | Nameplates were never exactly meant to be modded |
| 21:29.03 | Neffi__ | Well very little of the UI was really designed to be modded |
| 21:29.20 | Neffi__ | That it's gotten easier and more approachable over time suggests an interest in the addon community |
| 21:29.31 | Shadowed | That's not entirely accurate |
| 21:29.39 | Semlar | also if there were enough of a demand for it there should just be a nameplate library that would allow multiple addons to modify it without interfering with each other |
| 21:29.44 | Shadowed | The default UI is intended to be modified, because if it wasn't, Blizzard wouldn't let us do addons and wouldn't offer the source etc |
| 21:29.49 | Shadowed | nameplates are 100% a hack |
| 21:30.03 | Shadowed | it happens to be that it's a hack that became popular, but it's 100% a hakc |
| 21:30.28 | Neffi__ | Well they were exposed to the Lua environment despite 100% of their logic being implemented C-side |
| 21:30.35 | Shadowed | They really aren't |
| 21:30.42 | Neffi__ | They are frames |
| 21:30.56 | Semlar | the interactive part isn't |
| 21:31.02 | Semlar | just the visible part |
| 21:31.33 | Semlar | the interaction is all handled by the worldframe |
| 21:31.36 | Shadowed | They are exposed to the Lua environment in the sense that, you can iterate over the entire list of frames and find them. And the odds are, that's because the nameplates use the same C-side functions to create the UIObjects |
| 21:31.43 | Shadowed | and nobody at Blizzard went "Oh, we should disable access to this" |
| 21:32.03 | Shadowed | It happens to be that now they are named frames last I looked, but that was a recent change |
| 21:32.09 | Shadowed | they are pretty much a giant hack |
| 21:32.15 | Neffi__ | I do wonder why they would make them UIObjects if they didn't intend to give us something to work with. I mean, they intentionally didn't expose Minimap blips or the 3D floating combat text as UIObjects |
| 21:32.25 | Semlar | probably just an oversight |
| 21:32.28 | Shadowed | Two entirely differetn things |
| 21:32.37 | Shadowed | Not exposing minimap blips is 100% intentional to avoid bots |
| 21:32.45 | Shadowed | 3D floating combat text isn't exactly an UIObject |
| 21:33.14 | Shadowed | nameplates are UIObjects, but they are UIObjects that are managed by the C side for positioning. There was never any reason to lock them down so they didn't |
| 21:33.29 | Arrowmaster | actually minimap blips were exposed at one point |
| 21:33.35 | Shadowed | yea they changed it cause someone made a bot :P |
| 21:33.45 | Neffi__ | Hmm, I don't recall. Intersting. |
| 21:33.49 | Shadowed | or maybe they mad something that pinged when one was seen, I don't remember which |
| 21:33.53 | Shadowed | That was a longass time ago |
| 21:33.56 | Shadowed | like, vanilla or something |
| 21:33.56 | kd3 | it was early |
| 21:33.59 | kd3 | back in 1.x |
| 21:34.10 | Neffi__ | Technically it's still entirely possible to make an addon that will ping when a Minimap blip appears |
| 21:34.11 | Arrowmaster | 1.05 days or before |
| 21:34.14 | Kesava | but.. that would be really helpful |
| 21:34.18 | Semlar | shhh neffi sh |
| 21:34.23 | Kesava | pinging when a blip shows up, i mean |
| 21:34.29 | Semlar | stahp! |
| 21:34.32 | Shadowed | That's not possible last I looked |
| 21:34.34 | Semlar | they're going to take it away! |
| 21:34.34 | Shadowed | if it was, it's a bug |
| 21:34.40 | Neffi__ | I haven't bothered to release a proof-of-concept because I don't want the type of addons that would cause further lockdown to be out there |
| 21:34.44 | Neffi__ | But it's still possible |
| 21:34.47 | Semlar | i did write a proof of concept |
| 21:34.51 | Arrowmaster | Shadowed: the resizing the minimap and putting it under the mouse cursor method |
| 21:34.56 | Shadowed | Arrowmaster afaik they fixed that |
| 21:34.56 | Neffi__ | yes that |
| 21:35.01 | Semlar | no, they didn't |
| 21:35.06 | Shadowed | so if you put it under the mouse cursor, it wouldn't show the tooltip |
| 21:35.10 | Semlar | it will |
| 21:35.19 | Neffi__ | It will if the cursor them moves a tad |
| 21:35.25 | Semlar | it will even if they don't |
| 21:35.32 | Shadowed | or maybe the issue was that it totally screwed with the minimap so it was mostly useless |
| 21:35.38 | Shadowed | I don't remember, I know there was a caveat that made it not very practical |
| 21:35.41 | Semlar | it removes the minimap altogether |
| 21:35.45 | Neffi__ | So if the cursor is kept in motion, and the Minimap is adjusted to follow behind it in a laggy fashion (instead of repositioning it every screen frame), tooltips will appear |
| 21:35.51 | Semlar | since you can't have two minimaps with different sizes |
| 21:35.56 | Shadowed | oh right, you couldn't duplicate the minimap so it totally made it worthless |
| 21:36.07 | Neffi__ | But you can have two minimaps at identical sizes but different scales, Semlar |
| 21:36.12 | Semlar | nope |
| 21:36.23 | Neffi__ | Maybe they changed that recently |
| 21:36.26 | Semlar | i did pretty extensive testing |
| 21:36.52 | Semlar | and if the blips are not in exactly the same spots they will just switch between both sizes repeatedly |
| 21:37.32 | Semlar | the only way to do it and retain the minimap is to make one that's the same size and sort of scan it back and forth under the cursor |
| 21:37.38 | Semlar | which is really not practical either |
| 21:38.46 | Semlar | the only useful thing you can do with it is to make it make a noise or something when it comes across a node while you're watching something else |
| 21:40.21 | Unkle | Sounds like it would make using the mouse for other things a bit problematic too. |
| 21:40.23 | Semlar | well, you can create a replacement map to use while the minimap is under the cursor it just won't have any blips |
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| 21:43.40 | Semlar | i have a way around not being able to click through the minimap too |
| 21:48.28 | Semlar | can anyone think of a reason to know what blips are on the minimap that outweighs the fact that you'll lose them |
| 21:49.52 | Torhal | Semlar: Some scenarios use overlays extensively - not sure if they're blips. |
| 21:50.22 | Neffi__ | I'm gonna go ahead and proclaim Azshara to have the highest density of bugs of any area in the game |
| 21:50.23 | Semlar | well, anything that gives you a tooltip when you hover over it on the minimap |
| 21:50.41 | Semlar | because you can just condense it all into one tooltip |
| 21:51.09 | Semlar | it was vaguely helpful when hunting wild mini pets |
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| 22:06.10 | zenzelezz | sigh... http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/54864863081/womens-wimbledon-champion-marion-bartoli-deemed |
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| 22:08.38 | TC-Work | Wow |
| 22:08.48 | TC-Work | I say kill em all, we don't need them. |
| 22:09.02 | zenzelezz | I'd have to agree |
| 22:09.04 | Neffi__ | Which mounts do Tauren look most ridiculous on? |
| 22:09.10 | TC-Work | Yes |
| 22:10.19 | Kesava | neffi, hawkstriders |
| 22:11.18 | Kesava | -or- darkmoon ponies. |
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| 22:22.20 | TC-Work | http://kotaku.com/the-bikini-isnt-the-only-thing-wrong-with-this-gaming-699724656 |
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| 22:30.27 | zenzelezz | heh |
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| 23:03.47 | pompy | http://nerdreactor.com/2013/07/08/ubisoft-gets-hacked-during-fourth-of-july-week-time-to-change-your-password/ ..... |
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| 23:37.17 | Neffi__ | Christ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/us-agency-baffled-by-modern-technology-destroys-mice-to-get-rid-of-viruses/ |
| 23:39.11 | Neffi__ | If putting a 16 year old with moderate knowledge of computers in charge of IT would be a step UP, you should seriously reconsider the department's management |
| 23:39.41 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 23:40.24 | xyphoid | i dunno regularly destroying all keyboards and mice would be a reasonable way of cutting down on infections |
| 23:40.29 | Neffi__ | In summary, they got some run-of-the-mill malware of low severity, which was cleaned by re-imaging. After the fact, they bugged out and: "The EDA destroyed not only (uninfected) desktop computers but also printers, cameras, keyboards, and even mice. The destruction only stopped—sparing $3 million of equipment—because the agency had run out of money to pay for destroying the hardware." |
| 23:40.35 | xyphoid | just biological ones though |
| 23:41.39 | Neffi__ | xyphoid: On that note all government agencies should keep a strict policy of cats. Cats should be everywhere. In every building, in every room of every building, cats all the time. |
| 23:42.11 | Neffi__ | Productivity would fall, but as least they'd be reasonably sure they're safe from the Black Plague |