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| 00:07.42 | Taborious | How do you define nested variables? MyTable = {var1={}, var2={}, var3={}} ??? and then call with tempVar = MyTable["name"]["var1"] |
| 00:08.20 | phelps | Taborious: you don' |
| 00:08.26 | phelps | Taborious: you don't have to do it that way |
| 00:08.29 | Semlar | it would be MyTable['var1'] |
| 00:08.38 | Semlar | i don't know where 'name' is comin from |
| 00:08.53 | phelps | MyTable = {var1={}, var2={}, var3={}} |
| 00:08.54 | phelps | would me |
| 00:09.03 | phelps | MyTable.var1['something'] |
| 00:09.33 | Taborious | i want it nested, not just a table, so I want one entry MyTable["name"] to be able to hold multiple values, like ilvl, spec, role, etc... |
| 00:09.57 | Semlar | it's just a table inside of a table |
| 00:10.08 | Semlar | you'd treat it the same as you normally would |
| 00:10.11 | Taborious | that i understand but the syntax i dont |
| 00:10.22 | Semlar | it's exactly the same as the normal table syntax |
| 00:10.29 | phelps | does Lua have a struct symantic ? |
| 00:10.34 | phelps | I don't think it does |
| 00:10.55 | Semlar | MyTable['name'] would refer to the name table inside of MyTable |
| 00:11.15 | Semlar | MyTable['name']['ilvl'] would be the ilvl key inside of the name table |
| 00:11.30 | Semlar | you can also use the dot syntax but it's just the same thing |
| 00:11.33 | phelps | I much prefer the . format |
| 00:11.46 | nebula169_ | stop using single quotes, you're killing me |
| 00:11.59 | phelps | single quotes are faster |
| 00:12.00 | Taborious | ok, ill give that a try |
| 00:12.02 | Semlar | dot only works for string keys though |
| 00:12.14 | Grivvel | Yeah, instead use MyTable[ [[name]] ][ [[ilevel]] ] |
| 00:12.17 | Taborious | so im better with [] ? |
| 00:12.17 | Semlar | so don't use it with an integer |
| 00:12.23 | Xuerian | There is struct, it's tables all the way down. `var.key` is just sugar for var["key"], so don't think it's different. |
| 00:12.27 | Xuerian | no struct* |
| 00:12.28 | phelps | they aren't parsed for escape sequences, so they're just a tiny bit faster |
| 00:12.30 | Semlar | like if the key is 1 you can't do MyTable.1 |
| 00:12.37 | Semlar | you'd have to use MyTable[1] |
| 00:12.50 | Taborious | ok |
| 00:12.58 | Semlar | because MyTable.1 would be like doing MyTable['1'] |
| 00:13.14 | phelps | it would cause a syntax error wouldn't it ? |
| 00:13.15 | Xuerian | local your_struct = { ilvl = 123, spec = 3, role = 4, str = "something" } |
| 00:13.17 | Semlar | probably |
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| 00:13.23 | Grivvel | phelps: Meh, it's only faster at the point where it's compiling to byte-code. Won't change runtime speed at all |
| 00:13.56 | Semlar | it might not even let you try to access MyTable.1 |
| 00:13.59 | Grivvel | phelps: Yeah, would be a syntax error. (Since identifiers can't start with a number) |
| 00:14.01 | phelps | them picoseconds count bro |
| 00:14.06 | nebula169 | fuck speed, single quotes are for chars, double are for string literals! |
| 00:14.16 | phelps | lol C++ |
| 00:14.18 | Semlar | single quotes for life |
| 00:14.22 | Xuerian | Singlequotes are for strings, doublequotes are for interpolation. suck it |
| 00:14.27 | Taborious | ok, so to define the table it would be just - local your_struct = {ilvl={},spec={},role={},str={}} ? |
| 00:14.37 | phelps | no |
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| 00:14.42 | Xuerian | Well if ilvl is a table.. and spec.. and role.. |
| 00:14.46 | phelps | why are you doing {} |
| 00:14.52 | phelps | do you want ilevel to be a table ? |
| 00:15.08 | Taborious | i thought it was a table inside a table, and you define it the same way as a table |
| 00:15.21 | phelps | thats making ilevel a table |
| 00:15.22 | Semlar | is ilvl a table or a number |
| 00:15.37 | Xuerian | A table is just a data structure that can hold anything. A hash table, appropriately, so anything can be a key. You can treat them like arrays (And they act like them, mostly) if you only use numerical keys. They can hold tables, their keys can be tables. |
| 00:15.39 | phelps | you don't really define a structure |
| 00:16.08 | phelps | the last depth(?) of a table doesn't need to be defined |
| 00:16.15 | phelps | struct = {} |
| 00:16.20 | Grivvel | Taborious: I suggest you read http://www.lua.org/pil/16.html |
| 00:16.23 | phelps | struct.ilvl = 512 |
| 00:16.26 | phelps | works just fine |
| 00:16.40 | Taborious | I want to created a nested table, myTable and I want to index it with the charaters name. I then want to have the sub values = to items specific to the character |
| 00:16.40 | Xuerian | Grivvel's suggestion is probably the best. |
| 00:16.55 | Taborious | TY Griv |
| 00:18.02 | phelps | Lua's OOness is so flexible |
| 00:18.30 | Xuerian | It's less OO, more "just make yourself some OO" |
| 00:18.30 | phelps | Lua isn't actually OO though |
| 00:18.32 | Taborious | myTable["Bob"]["name"]="Bob" myTable["Bob"]["ilvl"]=480 myTable["Bob"]["spec"]="fire" etc... |
| 00:18.46 | Xuerian | Deargodnotgearscoreagain |
| 00:18.47 | phelps | I don't think Lua really has "objects" |
| 00:18.54 | Grivvel | It's flexible, but not very terse. |
| 00:18.56 | phelps | unless you wanna call a table an object |
| 00:19.04 | Taborious | no this is for a battleground planner |
| 00:19.09 | Semlar | a table is basically an object |
| 00:19.13 | phelps | Grivvel: TIL what terse means |
| 00:19.16 | Semlar | or an array |
| 00:19.20 | Semlar | or a dictionary |
| 00:19.23 | phelps | or a hash |
| 00:19.27 | Semlar | depending on how you use it |
| 00:19.52 | Taborious | so how do i define the above? |
| 00:20.02 | Semlar | you did |
| 00:20.08 | Xuerian | You've read the PIL page linked in its entirety? |
| 00:20.12 | phelps | Taborious: thats a pretty bad format for the tablew |
| 00:20.21 | phelps | Taborious: you wouldn't need to store the name twice |
| 00:20.21 | Grivvel | Taborious: That's right. Just make sure you explicitly make myTable["Bob"] a table at some point |
| 00:20.30 | Taborious | bad format....thats why im here |
| 00:20.42 | Xuerian | http://www.lua.org/pil/11.2.html |
| 00:21.00 | Semlar | myTable['Bob'] = { ilvl = 480, spec = 'fire' } |
| 00:21.07 | phelps | database = {}; database[character_name]['ilevel'] = 521; |
| 00:21.20 | Taborious | I need to call up the name, so if its not stored as a name i dont know how to reference the index name |
| 00:21.29 | Taborious | its just seemed easier to do it that way |
| 00:21.34 | phelps | its the key |
| 00:21.41 | Semlar | yeah it's the key so you already know what the name is |
| 00:21.46 | phelps | you can use the key when you iterate over the table to get the name |
| 00:22.03 | Semlar | you have to know the key or you wouldn't be accessing the value |
| 00:22.11 | phelps | http://www.lua.org/pil/7.3.html |
| 00:22.40 | phelps | just has examples of pairs |
| 00:23.05 | Taborious | but I need to look up the name after the fact as well. these will be a savedvariable in wow to from session to session |
| 00:23.17 | phelps | thats fine |
| 00:23.30 | phelps | the key is saved |
| 00:24.08 | Taborious | ok, dumb it down for me. I know the index is saved but how do i call the index to get its value ??? |
| 00:24.12 | Xuerian | Taborious: Perhaps it would help us phrase our answers better if we knew what language you are familiar with so far. |
| 00:24.24 | phelps | I would guess none |
| 00:24.30 | Taborious | lua and basic |
| 00:24.35 | phelps | none :p |
| 00:24.56 | Xuerian | Alright, so, are you familiar with the concept of iteration over a list? |
| 00:25.22 | Taborious | i know a little C but the concepts are all the same its just the syntax that are different |
| 00:25.56 | Xuerian | Right, so, you can iterate over tables (And their subtables, it's the same thing). So that's how you'd "Get" your key if you're reading out from the datastructure. |
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| 00:26.52 | Xuerian | given t = {a = 3, b = 2, c = 1}, for k, v in pairs(t) print(k, v) end will print "a", 3; "b", 2; "c", 1 |
| 00:27.14 | Taborious | ok |
| 00:27.27 | Taborious | i understand that [art now |
| 00:28.00 | Xuerian | remember, a is just "a", a string. so are B, and C. They can be _anything_, so can 3, 2, or 1. |
| 00:29.50 | Taborious | ok, so how do I define that table as a nested table. given t = {name ... but under name I want a,b,c to have values specific to the name index |
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| 00:30.18 | Taborious | do i need to do more than t = {} ? |
| 00:30.28 | phelps | Taborious: http://codepad.org/TX5VfsmU |
| 00:31.01 | Xuerian | You just add another table to the parent table. There's multiple ways, but start with that. t = {}. t["name"] = "bob" || t.name = "bob". t.friends = {"alice", "yeti"} |
| 00:31.14 | Taborious | ok, so i dont have to define the sub index, that was what I was trying to work out, ty Phelps |
| 00:31.27 | phelps | Taborious: you don't have to |
| 00:31.31 | phelps | but you can do it cleaner |
| 00:31.36 | phelps | and define them at the same time |
| 00:32.02 | phelps | http://codepad.org/q8q6ae7L |
| 00:32.05 | phelps | is the same thing |
| 00:32.53 | Taborious | ok, it was the subindex that were confusing me and having to define them or not |
| 00:33.27 | Taborious | define them meaning show them as index when I defined the base table |
| 00:33.36 | phelps | http://codepad.org/jYOov6D7 |
| 00:33.46 | phelps | the .. stuff was clutter |
| 00:34.08 | Taborious | ok, making more sense |
| 00:34.58 | Taborious | trying in my code now |
| 00:36.21 | Taborious | also, im better using myTable["name"]["ilvl"] if my values are mixed integer and text |
| 00:36.38 | Taborious | instead of myTable.name.ilvl |
| 00:36.47 | airtonix | i was hoping to watch the end of the world, but now microsoft has decided not to commit suicide |
| 00:37.00 | Xuerian | airtonix: I was a little disappointed. |
| 00:37.43 | Xuerian | Taborious: "Better"? Not really. The times you have to use the [] syntax are either accessing a numeric key, or a key by variable, eg name = "bob", myTable[bob] |
| 00:37.57 | Xuerian | er, myTable[name] |
| 00:38.35 | airtonix | at least it's not ruby |
| 00:38.53 | Taborious | yes, sorry no "" |
| 00:40.56 | Xuerian | Taborious: You certainly need quotes (either ' or ", doesn't matter so long as they match. I suggest you pick one and stick with it though) if you are accessing a key by name with ["key"]. [var] accesses the key matching the contents of the variable `var` |
| 00:41.22 | Xuerian | Hang on, let's just build off phelp's example. |
| 00:41.51 | Xuerian | http://codepad.org/bH5quNKD |
| 00:41.57 | Taborious | understood, ill be using the variable method not referencing using the actual name as I will be using the character names as the index of name |
| 00:43.10 | TC-work | Xuerian: according to that link Mage has two different single quotes around it? |
| 00:43.30 | Xuerian | TC-work: it's also highlighting class. |
| 00:44.27 | TC-work | Xuerian: I assumed that is because it is a built in keyword |
| 00:44.49 | Xuerian | TC-work: Is it actually one in Lua? O_o |
| 00:45.09 | TC-work | No idea, but it highlights it on the print row as well so I can only guess yes |
| 00:45.21 | TC-work | or at least codepad thinks it is |
| 00:49.01 | TC-work | Well, according to the manual nope. |
| 00:51.55 | Xuerian | TC-work: Yeah, I was guessing it had something to do with expecting syntax to go along with class. |
| 01:02.58 | Taborious | NBA game stating, thanks to those that helped me much appreciated |
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| 01:09.30 | cogwheel | lol team games |
| 01:17.29 | Esamynn|work | I just got a comment on Gatherer's curse page (and a PM) saying: "i was banned from wow for using gatherer plz help me i dont understand why it is considered a 3rd party hack" |
| 01:17.32 | Esamynn|work | facepalms |
| 01:17.48 | kd3 | uh huh |
| 01:18.28 | Esamynn|work | even after all this time, I just don't understand how ppl can be that stupid |
| 01:18.43 | Esamynn|work | I just have a hard time believe just stupidity exists! |
| 01:18.49 | Esamynn|work | s/believe/believing/ |
| 01:19.01 | kd3 | you shouldn't... how long have you been dealing with the public by now? |
| 01:19.05 | kd3 | >> |
| 01:20.13 | Esamynn|work | well, I am somewhat... obstinate =D |
| 01:22.02 | Xuerian | It's the principle of the thing. |
| 01:25.00 | Esamynn|work | you'll have to elaborate on that |
| 01:25.31 | Xuerian | People just shouldn't be that stupid. |
| 01:25.46 | Esamynn|work | yes! |
| 01:25.48 | Esamynn|work | YES! |
| 01:25.51 | Esamynn|work | exactly! |
| 01:25.58 | Xuerian | :p |
| 01:26.36 | kd3 | what's the quote? "imagine an a person with average intelligence. then realize that half of the population is dumber than that." |
| 01:27.48 | Esamynn|work | kd3: now that's just depressing :( |
| 01:30.58 | foxlit | median. |
| 01:31.50 | kd3 | mentally moves his position on the bell curve a step or two to the left |
| 01:40.02 | Esamynn|work | god damn, I forgot my wowpedia password and I never attached an email address to the account |
| 01:40.32 | kd3 | create a new account and I'll merge it with your old one |
| 01:40.44 | kd3 | (set up an email this time) |
| 01:47.34 | Esamynn|work | thanks kd3 |
| 01:48.14 | kd3 | np |
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| 01:50.22 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn|work: I'm just amusing myself thinking what a 1st party hack would be. |
| 01:50.50 | Esamynn|work | hahaha |
| 01:52.15 | Fisker | a |
| 01:52.24 | Fisker | b |
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| 02:28.08 | Esamynn|work | http://www.wowpedia.org/Events/S#SAVED_VARIABLES_TOO_LARGE |
| 02:34.09 | nebula169 | saw that in the ptr diff, wonder if it prevents the sv from being nil'd or just serves as a notice |
| 02:34.36 | Esamynn|work | see the wiki for details :) |
| 02:36.26 | nebula169 | but if you can't access them or write out a new db on error, whats the point? |
| 02:37.23 | Esamynn|work | user will likely need to seek special help |
| 02:38.12 | Esamynn|work | the reality is that very few addons will ever encounter this |
| 02:38.35 | Esamynn|work | Auctioneer being the primary culprit, I imagine |
| 02:39.15 | nebula169 | still, its a silly way to handle it, basically blocking being able to save out data until you manually delete the sv file |
| 02:39.46 | Esamynn|work | and the other option, complete data loss, is better? |
| 02:40.55 | nebula169 | no, it's intercepting the crash, would be easy enough to fire the event, save the db to the errors folder, or just rename it to something then start over with a new db |
| 02:41.44 | nebula169 | blocking use when the average user probably has no idea what's going on isn't very helpful |
| 02:41.55 | Esamynn|work | not a bad idea. I expect there will be a thread on the offical forums on this topic in due time... you could post that suggestion there |
| 02:42.34 | Esamynn|work | they generally do a blue post for changes like this |
| 02:44.19 | Esamynn|work | the reality is, any machine that encounters this is significantly under-spec anyways |
| 02:44.56 | Esamynn|work | or they are running AddOns out the WAZOO |
| 02:45.03 | Esamynn|work | (or both) |
| 02:45.54 | nebula169 | i mean, i run into it all the time when logging cleu/unit events/etc for encounters |
| 02:46.15 | nebula169 | and that's only after 40mb or so |
| 02:50.48 | Esamynn|work | nebula169: you mean you get a client crash? |
| 02:53.03 | nebula169 | oh, no, i haven't had an addon-related crash since dropping recount forever ago, i've seen in-game errors for OUT OF MEMORY after reloading with a large sv, though |
| 02:54.20 | Esamynn|work | out of memory, or a file with too many constants? |
| 02:54.38 | Esamynn|work | because this event is specifically meant to address the case where you would otherwise get a client crash |
| 02:54.41 | airtonix | nebula169: its never free |
| 02:55.05 | airtonix | nebula169: re: chat about five years ago |
| 02:56.13 | nebula169 | definitely not the latter, don't remember the exact wording of it, though, throws an error and the SavedVariables is just set to nil |
| 02:57.51 | Esamynn|work | yah. that would be the too many constants thingie, different problem |
| 02:57.58 | airtonix | nebula169: Unkle, bleeter: http://games.greggman.com/game/android-vs-ios-game-myths/ |
| 03:01.46 | Esamynn|work | unfortunately I can't find any wiki page on that problem, and I don't really feel like explaining it in detail atm |
| 03:03.21 | Esamynn|work | nebula169: I believe this is your error: http://forums.norganna.org/index.php?p=/discussion/11368/lua-constant-table-overflow/p1 |
| 03:04.23 | nebula169 | yea, now that i see it, that is probably the error i've encountered |
| 03:04.55 | Esamynn|work | anyways, different problem, that behaviour is unchanged afaik |
| 03:10.54 | phelps | can you hide the chat window resize triangle ? |
| 03:11.25 | Esamynn|work | depends on what you mean by "can" |
| 03:11.41 | phelps | how can "can" have a different meaning |
| 03:11.59 | Esamynn|work | are you willing to write code? |
| 03:12.05 | phelps | uhh |
| 03:12.09 | phelps | nah man |
| 03:12.15 | phelps | couldn't do that |
| 03:12.24 | phelps | im here to leech off people |
| 03:12.33 | phelps | have them write the code for me, you know ? |
| 03:12.33 | Esamynn|work | :P |
| 03:12.45 | Esamynn|work | hey, it's happened |
| 03:13.03 | Esamynn|work | anyways, yes, my recollection is that you can hide it, I think it's just an element of the chat frame |
| 03:13.11 | Esamynn|work | but I am going from memory here |
| 03:13.33 | phelps | ChatFrame1ResizeButton |
| 03:13.36 | phelps | ChatFrame1ResizeButton:Hide() |
| 03:13.53 | phelps | but how to do that programmatically |
| 03:13.58 | nebula169 | or you could just lock the frame |
| 03:15.21 | phelps | I want it dragable but not sizable |
| 03:15.44 | phelps | it seems to work where I placed it |
| 03:35.21 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 03:42.12 | Fisker | oh god |
| 03:42.13 | Fisker | what have i done |
| 03:42.32 | Fisker | starts digging |
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| 04:08.40 | Dashkal | It's been a long time, so I'm embarrased to have to ask. What's the website that this channel's associated with? |
| 04:09.28 | Dashkal | wowinterface |
| 04:09.57 | cogwheel | there's a lot of people here from curse too |
| 04:10.08 | Dashkal | *nods* I'm seeing familiar names |
| 04:11.41 | Dashkal | Oh boy, this may take awhile. The addon landscape has changed |
| 04:11.54 | Dashkal | Need to figure out what's still there and what isn't. Not easy when I can't even remember what it was all called |
| 04:13.56 | Dashkal | Hrm, looks like Routes is gone |
| 04:16.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11401-Routes.html http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/routes ? |
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| 04:16.19 | Dashkal | Updated 2011? |
| 04:18.08 | nebula169 | the underlying data sources have been updated |
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| 04:20.40 | kd3|hate`net | eh, try it. afaik it still works |
| 04:21.25 | Dashkal | Awesome. I'm too used to the minecraft modding world. Anything that old is dead and burried |
| 04:28.40 | Dashkal | hrm, perhaps I should leave databroker and family alone until I get back into the swing of things... |
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| 05:28.39 | Torhal | Dashkal: the LDB stuff is basically Fubar/Titan but not married to a specific display AddOn. |
| 05:31.46 | Dashkal | I remember. My comment is more due to the sheer volume of modules |
| 05:32.01 | Torhal | Aah |
| 05:32.20 | Dashkal | I grabbed a couple once I remembered the name of a display mod |
| 05:34.09 | Mr_Rabies | chocolatebar is the one i use, i haven't really tried any others since it's worked so well |
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| 05:34.33 | Dashkal | I installed stackblockcore to get me started |
| 05:34.46 | Dashkal | I'll fiddle and tweak as I play and find the sharp edges, so to speak |
| 05:35.03 | Dashkal | I haven't played since early cata, so there's a good deal to relearn |
| 05:40.14 | Dashkal | hmmm, unit frames |
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| 06:17.52 | airtonix | go with deadlybossmodcarbonitebuffdoghound frames |
| 06:18.18 | airtonix | everyones using it because the code is so sloppy and everyone loves sloppy code |
| 06:26.29 | Sintacks | I keep using kgpanels onload script to add small things i want done when I login, that i don't want to make an addon for heh |
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| 06:44.40 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/RNdoIPM |
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| 06:54.36 | airtonix | mikma: can i say. |
| 06:55.02 | Sintacks | is weakauras being actively maintained and updated and having things added to it and shit ... |
| 06:58.31 | zenzio | mikma: lmao |
| 06:59.07 | nebula169 | Sintacks: i mean, Stanzilla tries really hard |
| 07:22.59 | Dashkal | icehud! That's what I use for unit frames. Then I just leave default up in the corner far away from my eyes |
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| 09:02.39 | AcidWeb | SAVED_VARIABLES_TOO_LARGE = "Your computer does not have enough memory to load settings from the following AddOn. Please disable some AddOns.\n\n|cffffd200%s|r"; |
| 09:02.40 | AcidWeb | heh |
| 09:06.21 | karl_w_w | that's an odd colour to use |
| 09:06.46 | karl_w_w | wonder where that message is displayed |
| 09:07.41 | AcidWeb | static popup |
| 09:25.01 | Adys | kd3: try run wow in a vm |
| 09:25.10 | Adys | lower the ram a lot |
| 09:25.14 | Adys | and give it a huge recount log |
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| 11:15.58 | Neffi | Anyone else hate loving this son of a bitch? http://i.imgur.com/0Z1rx39.jpg |
| 11:16.05 | Neffi | (jack) |
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| 12:01.12 | karl_w_w | I don't know anyone called jack |
| 12:01.29 | karl_w_w | other than black |
| 12:01.40 | karl_w_w | and I don't know him personally |
| 12:06.58 | Maldivia | Captain Jack Harkness |
| 12:13.02 | karl_w_w | I'm afraid he's fictional |
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| 12:18.43 | Neffi | Ah, wrong link |
| 12:19.07 | Neffi | It was about Jack Nicholson ad-libbing the scene in The Departed where he points a gun at Leo DiCaprio. |
| 12:19.35 | Neffi | Apparently, he went so far as to bring his own gun into the set without letting anyone -- even Leo -- know, and Leo's reaction in the scene was real. |
| 12:19.53 | zenzio | good ol' Jack |
| 12:19.58 | Neffi | He's really a crazy motherfucker |
| 12:20.13 | zenzio | got to say, he's a really great actor |
| 12:20.21 | Neffi | That he is |
| 12:20.35 | zenzio | you could say he's... crazy good! |
| 12:20.42 | Neffi | I could just imagine Scorsese's reaction from behind the camera |
| 12:20.59 | Neffi | "oh god he's finally lost it. EVERYONE DOWN" |
| 12:21.59 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 12:22.39 | Neffi | hai cow |
| 12:25.08 | Neffi | You gotta figure some of his craziness probably stems from his upbringing. |
| 12:25.21 | Neffi | He grew up believing his grandparents were his parents, and his mother was his sister |
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| 12:37.36 | zenzio | happy Friday, miss peppy! |
| 12:40.01 | bluspacecow | Is a Peppy |
| 12:40.09 | bluspacecow | I has a saturday Lopeppeppy |
| 12:40.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, give it to me. |
| 12:41.05 | bluspacecow | *giefs* |
| 12:57.06 | bluspacecow | so i'm guessing i need level 25 pets to capture : Qiraji Guardling rite ? need to level ma battle pets then! |
| 13:06.00 | Motig | it's lvl 16 or something apaprently |
| 13:06.02 | Motig | so not 25 |
| 13:06.14 | bluspacecow | still higher then 8 |
| 13:06.15 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 13:06.24 | Motig | but if y ou have 2 lvl 8 pets that's practically 16! |
| 13:06.36 | Motig | I'm guessing he fights with 2 others pets too |
| 13:22.21 | karl_w_w | jack nicholson's best movie is as good as it gets |
| 13:22.45 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. The Shining. |
| 13:28.29 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 13:31.08 | Neffi | AFAIK copyright covers sculpture, but what about designs of utility? |
| 13:31.27 | Neffi | Eg, with 3D printers, can you actually pirate, say, a particular screwdriver? |
| 13:31.42 | zenzio | The Shining is great, but I prefer him in One Flew Over the Fuckoo's Nest |
| 13:31.49 | zenzio | .. Cuckoo |
| 13:32.00 | zenzio | holy hell it's Friday. That must be a porn |
| 13:35.57 | zenzio | I'm told he was good in Batman, but I never watched any of the old ones |
| 13:37.58 | karl_w_w | he's good in pretty much everything |
| 13:38.21 | karl_w_w | and old batman is just like new batman except they had throat lozenges back then |
| 13:39.04 | karl_w_w | just don't watch & robin |
| 13:39.20 | zenzio | sidekicks haven't fared well for some time now |
| 13:42.00 | Neffi | So people are apparently asking prices for digital 3D print files that are several times what the item might be worth in a store |
| 13:42.01 | Neffi | http://www.shapeways.com/ |
| 13:42.07 | Neffi | This doesn't bode well |
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| 13:42.56 | Neffi | The right to manufacture something yourself could become a big IP business in itself |
| 13:51.44 | foxlit | aren't you extrapolating nonsense? |
| 13:53.55 | foxlit | It would be problematic if someone told you "no, you can't manufacture on your own!" but that's hardly what's going on there -- charging people for blueprints to build something seems like fair game. |
| 13:57.21 | Neffi | Oh it's totally fair game |
| 13:57.45 | Neffi | But it's a totally new arena area where copyright and patent law can be taken overboard |
| 13:58.36 | Neffi | There doesnt seem to be much being done about patent trolls right now. I'd hate to see a day when trolling the consumer is the norm. |
| 13:59.18 | Neffi | Monetization is ncessary but it seems to always bring little evils with it that society takes a while to get rid of, at the expense of many |
| 14:01.10 | foxlit | sounds like generic fud to me. |
| 14:01.51 | Neffi | Maybe |
| 14:02.08 | Neffi | But Google hardly gets sued for Android's IP infringement. The manufacturers do. |
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| 14:06.11 | foxlit | I'm not sure whether that constitutes a problem. |
| 14:07.09 | Neffi | Nevermind that |
| 14:07.41 | Neffi | Familiar with Inception Button? http://inception.davepedu.com/ |
| 14:07.53 | Neffi | Look what's in its source: http://pastebin.com/2jyKqfnr |
| 14:09.06 | Neffi | The calling part is commented out, obviously |
| 14:09.22 | mikma | anyone happen to have -50% or -75% trine 2 coupon in steam? :P |
| 14:10.11 | Fisker | why mikma ? |
| 14:12.13 | mikma | cause i wants it |
| 14:13.15 | Fisker | ok |
| 14:13.50 | mikma | i played magicka today |
| 14:13.54 | mikma | what a horrible horrible game |
| 14:14.24 | Fisker | good game |
| 14:15.59 | Neffi | Just got a job interview for a pet store, but the interview is at a 4-star hotel. Should or shouldn't I dress well for this? |
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| 14:17.31 | nevcairiel | dont go overkill |
| 14:17.59 | Kalroth | Neffi: an interview at a hotel? make sure to wash your armpits and genitals before you go |
| 14:18.18 | Neffi | I figured jeans and a buttondown that doesn't look too professional. Something I'd wear at work, and after work as well. But why the hell is my interview at the Hilton? What are they expecting? |
| 14:18.31 | Neffi | lol Kalroth |
| 14:18.35 | Kalroth | the last time i went to a hotel for an interview, she told me to wash first |
| 14:18.55 | Kalroth | is it your birthday soon? maybe it's a surprise party |
| 14:19.14 | Neffi | The weird thing is, the job is due to start 3 days before my birthday |
| 14:19.17 | Kalroth | "surprise!! you thought it was a job interview, but it's really a keg fest!" |
| 14:19.23 | Kalroth | haha |
| 14:19.33 | Neffi | Well that's nice and all, but if I wanna afford to keep living, I'd rather a job than a party |
| 14:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | Surprise, we're doing a whole bunch of job interviews at once and we needed an outside space to organize it all in. |
| 14:19.38 | Kalroth | sorry for spoiling it for you |
| 14:19.38 | Neffi | I'd be pretty bummed tbh |
| 14:20.08 | Maldivia | hotel... interview... casting couch? |
| 14:20.16 | Neffi | The black leather one? |
| 14:20.19 | Kalroth | watch out for black leather sofas, yeah |
| 14:20.28 | Neffi | Everyone knows that damn couch |
| 14:20.34 | Neffi | you naughty people |
| 14:20.43 | Kalroth | i hope they wash it, its gotta be nasty by now |
| 14:20.45 | Fisker | i once job interviewed for a surprise birthday |
| 14:20.55 | Kalroth | Fisker: did you get it |
| 14:21.01 | Fisker | no :( |
| 14:34.12 | pompy | http://www.geekosystem.com/grocery-deer-head/ :O lol |
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| 15:07.51 | Arrowmaster | backing up and restoring an android device is a complete pain in the ass |
| 15:08.42 | Arrowmaster | just now getting around to patching the Email app so corp cant force policies on me |
| 15:10.21 | Unkle | ugh |
| 15:10.44 | Arrowmaster | i think ive got everything copied over now, although my lockscreen settings didnt copy |
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| 15:33.13 | karl_w_w | I just had a battle pet ability crit for 400, anyone know why this is interesting? |
| 15:33.39 | bluspacecow | i dunno |
| 15:34.27 | karl_w_w | because the crit multiplier is 1.5 |
| 15:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | Because you say it is? |
| 15:34.58 | karl_w_w | no, just because it is :P |
| 15:35.34 | bluspacecow | fascinating captain |
| 15:36.22 | karl_w_w | so if an ability would normally hit for 100 it would crit for 150, and if it would normally hit for... less than 267 and more than 266.3 recurring it would crit for 400 |
| 15:38.49 | Lopeppeppy | Or perhaps 400 is just the maximum return value no matter how high the crit would be, because they hate decimal crits? |
| 15:40.49 | Fisker | hey Lopeppeppy |
| 15:40.51 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:44.02 | karl_w_w | I don't think there is maximum, I've seen crits at ~3,500 |
| 15:46.42 | Neffi | Did you consider that it crit for 267? |
| 15:46.52 | Neffi | crits could be floored or truncated rather than rounded |
| 15:46.55 | Neffi | which is likely |
| 15:47.11 | Neffi | Why bother rounding instead of truncating? Accuracy doesn't matter, speed does |
| 15:51.51 | karl_w_w | accuracy does matter, what probably happened is it did hit for a decimal but it doesnt show and it just remembers the decimal value behind the scenes like it does for things like reputation |
| 15:52.07 | Ackis | anyone have recommendations on free (opensource maybe?) software to read/create PDFs, backup data on a local disk to a network drive (and possibly from one network drive to another), and as a movie/videogame/book/cd database tracking program |
| 15:52.36 | Neffi | I'd be surprised if they bothered |
| 15:52.44 | Neffi | .9 damage doesn't matter |
| 15:53.42 | Unkle | Ackis - there are a bajillion PDF things, none of them are all that great. Pick one and suffer like the rest of us. |
| 15:53.46 | Neffi | SumatraPDF for a simple PDF reader. Dunno about creator. As for the database thing, do you mean like a media library? |
| 15:54.13 | Ackis | Neffi: just something to keep track of what I own. regarding pdf's I've used foxlit before Unkle |
| 15:54.33 | Neffi | pinged foxlit because of a typo. lol |
| 15:54.43 | Ackis | lol sorry |
| 15:54.56 | Neffi | doPDF if you want to be able to print to PDF. That's what I can offer. |
| 15:55.43 | Neffi | Media management, I can't help ya. I like foobar2000, which manages my music in a simple yet good way. For the rest, I just keep a commonsense folder structure that's easy to navigate, and it's all stored on its own partition. |
| 15:56.17 | Neffi | I mean, foobar2000's great for music, but if you want everything integrated, you might end up getting a program that's not great at any one thing |
| 15:57.59 | Unkle | Ackis: I've used PDF_XChange - it's free, it allows read/write/create/edit/printing of PDF files. |
| 16:03.30 | karl_w_w | Neffi I would say .9 matters more for pets which average 1400 health than it does for reputation which goes up to 42,000 |
| 16:04.48 | karl_w_w | and it strikes me as easier for them to just store everything as it is and do rounding whenever you display something |
| 16:05.40 | Neffi | unless they somehow dont use floats |
| 16:05.56 | Ackis | oh also what about a torrent program? been using utorrent, I've heard bad things though |
| 16:05.57 | Neffi | but you're probably right |
| 16:06.09 | Neffi | What kind of bad things? |
| 16:06.32 | Neffi | People were sour when uTorrent hopped on the app train, but you could always just not use the feature. IMO it's still the finest Windows torrent client |
| 16:07.00 | Neffi | Or you could do like me and grab the last 2.0.4 build from FileHippo |
| 16:07.26 | Ackis | Neffi: conspiracy theories only, so I'm taking them with a grain of salt |
| 16:07.30 | Neffi | Stable, no known bugs, none of the app or pro features, but it's still got the uTP protocol which makes it a bit better than non-uT clients |
| 16:07.34 | karl_w_w | utorrent is ok but the recent versions have some annoying bugs |
| 16:07.44 | karl_w_w | i still use it though |
| 16:07.48 | Neffi | Ackis: Stay away from 4chan/g |
| 16:07.59 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.25 | Neffi | They're still adamantly convinced OpenBSD has an NSA backdoor. And so does TrueCrypt. |
| 16:08.30 | Neffi | Like that makes a fuck of sense |
| 16:08.38 | Ackis | everything has a nsa backdoor |
| 16:08.44 | Ackis | it's called the person using it |
| 16:08.47 | Neffi | only when connected to the internet* |
| 16:09.39 | Neffi | I'd recommend you grab 2.0.4. The 2.2+ features are useless, and karl says the new shit is buggy. Can't go wrong with the classic stable version before monetization became a goal. |
| 16:10.19 | bluspacecow | ackis |
| 16:10.23 | bluspacecow | i has a nsa backdoor |
| 16:10.28 | Neffi | Or grab Tixati if you wan't something "different". I could never come to like it, but some people love it |
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| 16:12.16 | bluspacecow | *noms Torhal* |
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| 16:21.58 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: transmission does uTP, i think that has a windows version |
| 16:22.19 | Arrowmaster | deluge uses the same backend as transmission but i dont now if it has uTP yet |
| 16:22.52 | Neffi | Oh yes, Deluge. Pretty similar to uTorrent. A bit less configurable though. |
| 16:23.06 | nevcairiel | i just run transmission on my linux server and use it as a daemon, quite handy |
| 16:23.12 | Neffi | Transmission is *nix only |
| 16:23.17 | Neffi | incl Mac. No Windows. |
| 16:23.19 | nevcairiel | chrome plugin to automatically submit torrent files or magnet uris |
| 16:23.23 | nevcairiel | likes |
| 16:23.52 | Arrowmaster | i use deluge, last time i tried transmission i didnt think it was as configurable as deluge |
| 16:23.54 | Neffi | Yeah, I've been meaning to put together a little downloading box and run it like that. |
| 16:24.26 | nevcairiel | a lot of the fine tuning in transmission needs to be done in the config file, cant do it through the UI, well, at least not through the web UI |
| 16:24.34 | nevcairiel | but then, what the hell fine tuning does a torrent client need |
| 16:24.35 | Neffi | Honestly I usually used rTorrent on *nix. Deluge was pretty good though. |
| 16:25.25 | Neffi | That's something I dislike about a lot of *nix-native programs. They either think we *enjoy* configuring a hundred-line config file, or they deal with so much of it themselves they're passing on their misery |
| 16:25.39 | Neffi | Part of a good GUI is a good GUI config |
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| 16:25.56 | Ackis | nevcairiel: you have something in chrome that sends the bit torrent link to your linux server? is it specific to your server or can it be configured? |
| 16:26.13 | nevcairiel | it works with a lot of torrent daemons with web UIs |
| 16:26.28 | nevcairiel | its called Remote Torrent Adder |
| 16:26.34 | Neffi | I think there's a Chrome app like that for just about every torrent client |
| 16:26.38 | Neffi | Android app too |
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| 16:26.49 | nevcairiel | Remote Torrent Adder is pretty generic, has a long list of apps it supports |
| 16:27.05 | nevcairiel | well long, its like 10 |
| 16:27.20 | Ackis | wonder if it'll support my NAS |
| 16:27.45 | nevcairiel | my download box runs sabnzbd and transmission-daemon, never need to run these downloading tools on my own pc, and i can turn it off at night and still let it download |
| 16:27.47 | Neffi | Ah, anyone have experience with Raspberry Pi? |
| 16:28.10 | Fisker | you can't even stop a Fisker Ackis |
| 16:28.21 | Ackis | hey Fisker I asked for a refund on a steam game today |
| 16:28.33 | Fisker | you are a bad person Ackis |
| 16:29.12 | Ackis | I bought the game (single player) and the fucking thing has microtransactions in it for currency like a fucking facebook game |
| 16:29.30 | Neffi | The ethernet I believe runs off the USB 2.0, and somebody said it just uses a simple hub inside to split a pretty shitty controller. You think it'd hold up well enough as a torrent box? |
| 16:29.38 | Neffi | Being that the HDD needs to also be on the USB |
| 16:29.54 | nevcairiel | that thing is pretty slow |
| 16:30.04 | karl_w_w | erm |
| 16:30.16 | Fisker | so what Ackis ? |
| 16:30.18 | bluspacecow | y u haet Ackis ? |
| 16:30.18 | karl_w_w | raspberry pi has an ethernet port |
| 16:30.18 | Fisker | just learn2read |
| 16:30.27 | Neffi | Well it'd run pretty much a kernel, Busybox, rTorrent and SSH |
| 16:31.03 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Yes, the ethernet port, from what I heard, is run via a USB->ethernet chip. |
| 16:31.08 | karl_w_w | ah I see |
| 16:31.09 | Neffi | So it might compete with the already limited bandwidth |
| 16:31.27 | Neffi | I dont know if that's true, and I figured somebody has played with them a bit and can give me better advice |
| 16:31.33 | karl_w_w | just get a wdtv and flash it with the custom firmware :P |
| 16:32.00 | Neffi | The RPi is appealing because it's cheap and I'm brokre |
| 16:32.10 | karl_w_w | wdtv is pretty cheap |
| 16:32.20 | karl_w_w | well, like $100 :P |
| 16:32.43 | karl_w_w | but has the advantage of being basically ready to go |
| 16:33.02 | Neffi | Base model is twice the price of a Pi |
| 16:33.33 | karl_w_w | but with a pi u need to buy a couple of cables and an sd card etc as well so the price difference isnt that much |
| 16:33.51 | Neffi | Hmm |
| 16:34.10 | Neffi | I guess I might as well wait until I'm more comfortable buying to decide anyway |
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| 16:39.54 | Constie | I use rtorrent on my Raspberry Pi. It's pretty slow to hash check things, but I think that's probably largely because the things are on another computer on the network. Otherwise I've had no trouble with it, but then again I'm no power user. |
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| 17:57.02 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.3.x ToC: 50300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || BlizzCon! Nov. 8-9 || Happy Birthday Alestane! |
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| 18:47.37 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.3.x ToC: 50300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || BlizzCon! Nov. 8-9 || Happy Birthday Alestane! |
| 18:47.44 | Neffi__ | Night in jail, no lasting charges, kept his job |
| 18:47.51 | Unkle | Shocking. |
| 18:48.21 | Neffi__ | The guy had it coming tbh |
| 18:49.58 | Neffi__ | Well I've got cleaning to do. Thanks all. |
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| 21:56.55 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.3.x ToC: 50300 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || BlizzCon! Nov. 8-9 || Happy Birthday Alestane! |
| 21:58.35 | bleeter | Neffi__: that's about the sum of it |
