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| 00:05.24 | Arrowmaster | i think it also fixes a flaw in the current license transfer system |
| 00:19.48 | Neffi__ | If you're gonna hang while checking for a new update, that's fine; I'll update manually. But if you have a cancel button on the updater, make the god-damn button functional. |
| 00:24.34 | bleeter | the funniest thing about 'Man Of Steel' is how I'm left wondering what they'll call it in Russia |
| 00:25.35 | bleeter | or mores the point, countries of the former USSR who Stalin fucked over twelve ways to sunday |
| 00:36.58 | Shirik | today I tried writing a Wireshark dissector |
| 00:37.20 | Shirik | what I learned: the people who wrote Wireshark live inside a bubble |
| 00:37.29 | Shirik | it must be very magical in there |
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| 00:40.31 | kd3|netbook | hm, san-fran supershuttle drivers have as much of a deathwish as LA ones do |
| 00:43.19 | bleeter | anyone taking bets on how long it'll take before hospital admissions due to strapping http://www.foc.us/ on to genetalia? |
| 00:44.29 | pompy1 | kd3|netbook: dont remember mine driving like a maniac |
| 00:44.41 | pompy1 | https://www.facebook.com/left4dead2/posts/10152255709906777 |
| 00:46.56 | Neffi__ | only $250 to electrocute my brain until I can no longer tell it's snake oil? |
| 00:51.43 | Ackis | new lawn mower: http://i.imgur.com/dZsiwEm.jpg lulz |
| 00:53.38 | bleeter | Ackis: heh! |
| 00:55.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:55.51 | bleeter | Cairenn: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/ebf2c8b84d40e9ac09f6c8c4200a5639/tumblr_mkz7jnSv7J1r3gb3zo1_400.gif |
| 00:56.00 | Cairenn | awwwww |
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| 01:05.14 | Woho | ohhhh |
| 01:05.17 | Woho | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/262185-a-raid-for-all-seasons-flexible-raid-preview/ |
| 01:05.46 | Motig | this makes me so happy |
| 01:05.59 | Motig | A new Raid difficulty also means a new Item Level. Flexible mode will award loot with an Item Level that falls between Raid Finder and Normal quality, |
| 01:06.01 | Motig | oh |
| 01:11.23 | pompy1 | http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/billionaire-offers-1-million-solve-math-problem-153508422.html |
| 01:12.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna be nice, but i dunno |
| 01:13.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think it'd be better to just have it be normal difficulty and share a lockout |
| 01:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | maybe have heroic be its own lockout |
| 01:14.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't like another mandatory difficulty, i really don't wanna clear raids 3 times a week per character |
| 01:14.14 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 01:14.43 | Motig | well I guess in the case of my guild maybe we'll stop doing lfr |
| 01:14.49 | Motig | and just go for the flex raid on the lfr day |
| 01:15.16 | Mr_Rabies | we don't really run lfr as a guild very often, schedules are too different |
| 01:15.59 | Mr_Rabies | outside of raid nights |
| 01:16.23 | Motig | we raid twice a week and then whoever feels like playing on wednesday we'll do the lfr raids |
| 01:16.36 | Motig | I don't think many guilds will have time for lfr+flex+normal |
| 01:16.54 | Mr_Rabies | regardless, you'll have to run all 3 for many guilds |
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| 01:17.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'd wish they'd just make normal difficulty flex by default |
| 01:17.56 | Motig | that'd be perfect |
| 01:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | and have items drop same as always |
| 01:18.17 | Mr_Rabies | but scale drops to the number of players |
| 01:18.48 | Motig | maybe it's too hard to get the tuning right for flex for all possible player numbers |
| 01:19.11 | Motig | so they didn't want to risk creating an "optimal" player count for raids |
| 01:19.35 | Motig | well I guess that's not really true since you still have heroic |
| 01:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | instead they risked creating more mandatory content they say is optional |
| 01:20.23 | Mr_Rabies | like lfr, dailies, valor capping, coin capping, etc |
| 01:20.46 | Mr_Rabies | all of that's mandatory in a raiding guild but is treated as optional by blizzard |
| 01:21.05 | Motig | I only do lfr out of all those things and we raid fine |
| 01:21.24 | Motig | gratned we're not raiding on a high level :P |
| 01:21.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's okay if the rest of your raid is doing that and you're not worried about progression |
| 01:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | but if you're the guy that's slacking, don't expect to stay around for long |
| 01:22.04 | Motig | yeah I know it doesn't work that way in guilds that are more serious about raiding |
| 01:22.13 | Mr_Rabies | if everyone's okay with slacking and not worried about progression then that's perfectly fine |
| 01:25.13 | Motig | honestly though, if you're not one of the top guilds progressing through heroic content, there's no need to go for the absolute min/maxing. It's probably down to players not playing well enough if you're killing bosses. |
| 01:25.17 | Motig | *not killing bosses |
| 01:26.32 | Neffi__ | looks like EA is going to love the XBox One: http://goo.gl/CvF9z |
| 01:26.49 | Neffi__ | ""We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers." |
| 01:26.57 | Mr_Rabies | well, sure, Motig, but if you're the one slacking and everyone else isn't, then you're the guy who wipes will be blamed on |
| 01:28.04 | Mr_Rabies | the key is synergizing work with the rest of your guild |
| 01:28.29 | Motig | but slacking is a big word, it can mean a ton of things when talking about raiding |
| 01:29.08 | Motig | it isn't always related to not having done those "mandatory" dailies/valor/lfr/flex things |
| 01:29.13 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but falling behind on out-of-raid preperation is a big problem that will show everywhere eventually if you're doing less work than the rest of the raid |
| 01:29.59 | Motig | well I agree that it's only fair to put in the same amount of effort as the rest of your raid |
| 01:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | if you're wiping and one guy's doing 20k less dps than the rest of the raid |
| 01:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | wiping on berserk timers, etc |
| 01:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | stuff that can be blamed on low dps |
| 01:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | guess who's getting blamed |
| 01:30.51 | Motig | I'd be lying if I said that the extra effort doesn't make a big difference in the end |
| 01:31.43 | Mr_Rabies | if people feel they're carrying you, they'll eventually seek out people who are willing to put forth more effort |
| 01:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | unless the raid's goal is just to goof around for x hours a night |
| 01:32.07 | Motig | well that gets old fast |
| 01:32.42 | Motig | I'm not sure if I came across as disagreeing with your point, that wasn't my intention |
| 01:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | nah |
| 01:33.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just having a discussion |
| 01:34.30 | Mr_Rabies | i think they need the "optional content" to show in design if it's truly optional |
| 01:34.42 | Mr_Rabies | the design and the reality are two different things |
| 01:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | er, what they're saying and what the design shows are two different things |
| 01:36.32 | Mr_Rabies | the only way to make it optional is to make lfr drop worse gear, have no set gear drop, have other ways to get rep (which they now do, but it's really slow), have lesser charms come from raid trash and bosses, etc |
| 01:37.14 | Mr_Rabies | same with this new flex difficulty, the only way to make it truly optional is have it share a lockout with normal or something |
| 01:38.18 | Motig | we'll see how it develops in the coming months I guess |
| 01:38.32 | Motig | although I doubt they're going to change the itemlvl part this expansion |
| 01:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's a bit too soon to complain about it, but at the same time, gotta consider potential issues that other content already have when it comes to "optional" content |
| 01:39.35 | Mr_Rabies | other content already has* |
| 01:39.40 | Mr_Rabies | or have, i dunno |
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| 02:07.45 | Motig | wasn't there also supposed to be some sort of challenge mode made for one player? And there'd by server wide leaderbords for each role healer/tank/dps |
| 02:07.50 | Motig | I've not heard anything about that for a while |
| 02:08.01 | Motig | *be |
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| 02:18.34 | Mr_Rabies | proving grounds is sorta that idea, but those are low priority |
| 02:19.50 | Motig | yeah that's the name I was looking for |
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| 03:24.31 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 03:24.41 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that overlays ilvl over gear in the character pane? |
| 03:24.58 | Mr_Rabies | adibags does it for gear in your inventory, but not the character pane |
| 03:36.46 | Cairenn | Anyone in channel playing a rogue in WoW these days? |
| 03:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | i play a kitty druid, is that close enough |
| 03:37.31 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 03:37.34 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 03:38.29 | Cairenn | Trying to figure out which points bar is a good one to recommend to my Dad for his rogue |
| 03:38.40 | Cairenn | Thought I'd see if anyone in here had a preference |
| 03:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | combo points? |
| 03:39.31 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 03:39.39 | Mr_Rabies | this is a weird option, but this is what i use |
| 03:39.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's an addon called hearkitty, and it's an audible combo points meter |
| 03:40.01 | Mr_Rabies | it plays a different tone for each amount of combo points |
| 03:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | so i don't even have to look at the meter to know |
| 03:40.31 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:40.51 | Mr_Rabies | i love that one but i could see some people not liking it or downright finding it annoying |
| 03:41.18 | Mr_Rabies | i feel off when i don't hear it while playing my druid due to it breaking after a patch, etc |
| 03:41.20 | Cairenn | Yeah, I was thinking I'd point that one out to him as an option |
| 03:41.38 | Cairenn | along with a couple of visual ones |
| 03:41.52 | Cairenn | Input is good though, thank you :) |
| 03:43.06 | Dagmar | Auditory = win |
| 03:43.57 | Dagmar | I stopped having focus surplus/underflow problems once i threw in some powerauras to play a high beep and low beep when focus crossed a two shot threshold |
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| 05:17.47 | Ackis | hmmm is there anyway to force the chat window to always be on a specific frame? |
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| 06:01.31 | Shirik | Ackis: What do you mean by that? |
| 06:02.26 | Ackis | I have two windows where text is, one is my chat like whispers, guild the other is like general chat |
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| 07:02.22 | zenzio | man... I just can't read about people using ESBs ("enterprise service buses") without giving sighs of dismay |
| 07:02.47 | zenzio | not because they're necessarily bad, but because of a former colleague-ish person who was very much buzzword-happy but never understood them |
| 07:19.07 | jnwhiteh | so I go to stockades hoping to test an issue with instances |
| 07:19.08 | jnwhiteh | i need to die |
| 07:19.09 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a8bd8229e3118c87db1fbcf78ae1cd69.png |
| 07:19.10 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 07:20.25 | Semlar | they're just trying to get your attention |
| 07:20.38 | Semlar | try sitting down |
| 07:20.46 | zenzio | looks like he already is |
| 07:20.59 | jnwhiteh | i didn't lose a single hit point =/ |
| 07:22.23 | jnwhiteh | my level 45 might actually die |
| 07:22.27 | jnwhiteh | in 5 minutes |
| 07:22.29 | jnwhiteh | in zerker stance |
| 07:23.10 | Semlar | you could just fly into mogushan palace |
| 07:25.37 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: i have no idea what that is =) |
| 07:25.42 | Semlar | what level are you |
| 07:25.57 | zenzio | do you have to die from mob damage? |
| 07:25.57 | Semlar | i just mean go to a higher level instance |
| 07:26.12 | zenzio | otherwise you could go to BRD or somewhere and die in lava or similar |
| 07:26.35 | Semlar | actually i was reading through the api functions and Stuck() reportedly kills you |
| 07:26.56 | Semlar | i don't know if that's accurate |
| 07:27.03 | Semlar | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Stuck |
| 07:27.20 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 07:27.28 | jnwhiteh | i finally died |
| 07:27.33 | jnwhiteh | couldn't reproduce the issue |
| 07:27.34 | jnwhiteh | so ez |
| 07:27.41 | zenzio | I had an "interesting" encounter in Anarchy Online once. I was stuck in geometry, unable to move free. Tried casting a teleport spell but "can't cast spells while falling." /stuck? "can't while falling"... /terminate? "can't while falling" |
| 07:27.48 | zenzio | had to petition a GM |
| 07:28.06 | Semlar | i like the idea that you could be in a situation where you couldn't use the stuck command |
| 07:28.15 | Semlar | whose idea was that |
| 07:28.30 | zenzio | it's Anarchy Online, their ideas are 10+ years old |
| 07:28.43 | zenzio | but I do like having the /terminate command in some circumstances |
| 07:28.54 | Stanzilla | ohh hey jnwhiteh |
| 07:29.01 | jnwhiteh | Stanzilla: hihi |
| 07:29.11 | Stanzilla | have you ever thought about adding an option to move the coordinate text on the bottom of the world map? |
| 07:30.25 | Stanzilla | because when you go into small mode (that arrow icon on next to the X) it kinda overlaps with stuff in the bottom left corner |
| 07:32.55 | jnwhiteh | its supposed to do it already |
| 07:32.57 | jnwhiteh | the coordinates may be off |
| 07:32.59 | Semlar | you could reanchor it when it switches to windowed mode |
| 07:33.03 | jnwhiteh | i do |
| 07:33.06 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 07:33.41 | Semlar | if this is for tomtom the last time i used it it didn't |
| 07:33.50 | Semlar | it was just in the lower left of the window |
| 07:33.51 | jnwhiteh | look at the code |
| 07:33.56 | jnwhiteh | it most definitely re-anchors depending on the mode |
| 07:33.59 | jnwhiteh | it might be wrong |
| 07:34.02 | jnwhiteh | but it definitely does it |
| 07:35.12 | Stanzilla | it's center for fullscreen and left for mini |
| 07:35.41 | Stanzilla | problem is, on mini there is a checkbox for tracking quests on the left side |
| 07:35.43 | Stanzilla | so it overlaps |
| 07:36.36 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 07:36.38 | jnwhiteh | the UI has been changed |
| 07:36.41 | jnwhiteh | coords need to be updated |
| 07:36.48 | jnwhiteh | feel free to let me know what they should be =) |
| 07:37.03 | Semlar | probably under the actual map frame |
| 07:37.41 | Semlar | although i stuck them in the top left of the title bar for someone who asked me to make them a coordinate addon |
| 07:37.52 | Stanzilla | center on mini I guess |
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| 07:38.04 | Semlar | it's too small for the amount of text tomtom puts on it |
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| 07:38.23 | Stanzilla | depends on your font, I guess |
| 07:38.47 | Semlar | there are too many other things on it |
| 07:39.03 | Semlar | i think it puts the archaeology and quest checkboxes on the bottom |
| 07:39.10 | Stanzilla | In base UI only the dropdown to the right? or not? |
| 07:39.12 | Semlar | and the map options on the right |
| 07:39.20 | Mr_Rabies | <Semlar> although i stuck them in the top left of the title bar for someone who asked me to make them a coordinate addon |
| 07:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | aka me :p |
| 07:39.51 | Semlar | unless they got rid of the archaeology/quest blob checkboxes and put them in the dropdown menu |
| 07:39.57 | Mr_Rabies | also putting that BUFFS_PER_ROW dealio in an addon definitely causes some taint but i haven't seen any issues with it, Semlar |
| 07:40.16 | Semlar | yeah just the act of doing that means you've tainted that variable |
| 07:40.25 | Mr_Rabies | other than it getting blamed for 488x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "SemlarMapCoords" tried to call the protected function "Boss1TargetFrame:SetPoint()". |
| 07:40.25 | Stanzilla | they did, Semlar |
| 07:40.47 | Semlar | feh |
| 07:41.25 | Semlar | as long as it doesn't really break any functionality |
| 07:41.45 | Semlar | i guess if you wanted to do it right you'd have to redo the whole buff frames |
| 07:42.13 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm not too worried |
| 07:42.20 | Stanzilla | jnwhiteh: center if you ask me then |
| 07:42.24 | jnwhiteh | I don't object to putting them in the right place but I don't know where that is anymore =) |
| 07:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | i know how to disable it if i do have any issues |
| 07:42.33 | jnwhiteh | so I am open to suggestion |
| 07:42.55 | Stanzilla | or top left if you want to avoid confusion with other addons that put stuff in the bottom |
| 07:45.09 | Semlar | the map frame is all crowded |
| 07:46.47 | Semlar | how come there isn't a random LFR or the ability to queue for multiple specific ones |
| 07:47.02 | Mr_Rabies | i think they said they're working on that for 5.4, semlar |
| 07:47.25 | Semlar | well then.. keep up the good work.. |
| 07:48.19 | Semlar | is expertise a blue gem like hit |
| 07:48.35 | Semlar | or is it yellow or something |
| 07:49.34 | Semlar | nevermind it's red |
| 07:49.47 | Semlar | i could have sworn it was blue |
| 07:50.17 | Mr_Rabies | i think their goal was to keep red gems from being the -only- gems anyone wanted |
| 07:50.22 | Mr_Rabies | but that's still mostly the case |
| 07:50.35 | Stanzilla | nobody wants red gems now :D |
| 07:50.40 | Semlar | i do |
| 07:50.46 | Stanzilla | maybe some agi classes |
| 07:50.49 | Semlar | or a hybrid with red |
| 07:51.10 | Semlar | i have no use for any gem without red in it |
| 07:51.19 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's better to have red be str, yellow be agi, and blue be int or something |
| 07:51.45 | Semlar | psh, i need my agility/crit gems |
| 07:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think gems should really only be primary stats with bonuses being secondary |
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| 07:52.17 | Stanzilla | oh hell no |
| 07:52.21 | Stanzilla | all my haste :< |
| 07:52.29 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't matter if the game was balanced around it |
| 07:52.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm talking next expansion or something, in an ideal world, that's what i'd do |
| 07:53.30 | Mr_Rabies | if they were gonna have hybrid ones, have them be the inbetween colors or something |
| 07:53.44 | Semlar | i can't even match blue sockets any more because the hit is all wasted |
| 07:53.53 | Semlar | and.. the only other option would be stamina |
| 07:54.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i just put red gems in everything |
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| 07:54.18 | Mr_Rabies | i don't need hit rating so everything's red gems |
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| 07:55.13 | Mr_Rabies | oh, i take that back, i have one orange gem |
| 07:55.15 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/raybeez/advanced |
| 07:55.59 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/wyrmrest-accord/bodypull/advanced i like how much more agility you have |
| 07:57.01 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 07:57.08 | haste | all my Stanzilla |
| 07:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | huh, semlar |
| 07:58.03 | Mr_Rabies | don't you need expertise now as a hunter? |
| 07:58.09 | Semlar | yes |
| 07:58.10 | Mr_Rabies | why's it not listed under ranged on the armory O_o |
| 07:58.10 | Stanzilla | sup haste |
| 07:58.15 | Semlar | because they never updated it |
| 07:58.27 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 07:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | i was like.... man i hope i didn't royally screw itemization on my hunter |
| 07:58.44 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, i sorta did but eh |
| 07:59.17 | Semlar | it's aaaaaall gonna change just as soon as durumu drops my weapon |
| 07:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/Scopedog/advanced |
| 07:59.35 | Mr_Rabies | that pose is amazing |
| 07:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | look at how cheap i am with those gems :v |
| 08:00.03 | Mr_Rabies | people wonder how i have 300k gold |
| 08:00.09 | Mr_Rabies | not wasting gold on my alts is how :v |
| 08:00.59 | Semlar | i finally got around to dropping mining but enchanting is going to take a while to level |
| 08:01.45 | Mr_Rabies | ask around in trade if people have bank alts with old gear they've been neglecting and buy whole lots of gear |
| 08:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | or...what crafting profs on alts do you have? |
| 08:02.26 | Semlar | what alts |
| 08:02.38 | Mr_Rabies | oy |
| 08:03.00 | Mr_Rabies | get a guildie to make a bunch of stuff with cloth and DE all of that |
| 08:03.14 | Stanzilla | [Master of All] :D |
| 08:03.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'm [Master of All] except blacksmithing |
| 08:03.49 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish they'd do away with gathering professions, though |
| 08:04.10 | Stanzilla | I earned that on 10/08/12 |
| 08:04.12 | Stanzilla | kinda sad |
| 08:04.16 | Stanzilla | that's like 2nd week or so |
| 08:04.30 | Stanzilla | (not really) |
| 08:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | just make "gathering" a secondary profession that lets anyone gather ore, leather, and herbs |
| 08:05.46 | Mr_Rabies | with the professions associated getting a bonus for extra materials like tailoring (and update tailoring's bonus to work at all levels) |
| 08:07.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think professions are the most likely thing to get an overhaul with 6.0 |
| 08:08.57 | Stanzilla | should re do raiding |
| 08:09.06 | Mr_Rabies | they sorta are for 5.4 :p |
| 08:09.17 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 08:09.26 | Stanzilla | gratulations to 27 versions of the same item with 5.5 |
| 08:10.15 | Semlar | i heard they were adding a flexible scaling raid system which drops lower levels for some reason |
| 08:10.34 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's kind of a mess on paper |
| 08:10.38 | Mr_Rabies | i guess we'll see in reality soon |
| 08:11.02 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think it's a good idea to add more mandatory content to maintain a single character |
| 08:11.11 | Semlar | i don't understand if they make it scale why it wouldn't just augment the current system instead of adding another difficulty |
| 08:11.16 | Mr_Rabies | and on paper it 100% seems mandatory for many raiding groups |
| 08:11.27 | Mr_Rabies | i guess less risk, Semlar |
| 08:12.11 | Semlar | i guess they'd have to figure out how to tune it properly first |
| 08:12.38 | Mr_Rabies | i think it would be better to replace normal modes with it |
| 08:12.49 | Mr_Rabies | and have heroics go to their own lockout |
| 08:13.02 | Semlar | just make all modes scale with the number of players |
| 08:13.09 | Semlar | i don't know why it should be a separate difficulty |
| 08:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | their fear is gaming the "sweet spot" |
| 08:13.51 | Mr_Rabies | where difficulty and number of loot items per person are at their peak |
| 08:13.55 | Stanzilla | I think they are only testing it to maybe make it default in 6.0 or so |
| 08:14.01 | Semlar | first off |
| 08:14.08 | Semlar | number of loot items per person SHOULD NOT CHANGE between difficulties |
| 08:14.11 | Semlar | i don't understand THAT |
| 08:14.28 | Semlar | if they made it scale it would completely eliminate any reasons to do that |
| 08:14.31 | Mr_Rabies | does it currently? |
| 08:14.35 | Semlar | yes |
| 08:14.40 | Semlar | 25 man drops more loot per person than 10 man |
| 08:14.48 | Mr_Rabies | heroics drop more gear? |
| 08:14.52 | Mr_Rabies | oh, raid size |
| 08:14.53 | Semlar | no |
| 08:15.08 | Mr_Rabies | you sure 25s drop more per person? i really haven't bothered counting |
| 08:15.14 | Semlar | yes |
| 08:15.18 | Mr_Rabies | i know it has a higher chance at thunderforged |
| 08:15.33 | Semlar | that's likely only because it drops more loot |
| 08:15.37 | Mr_Rabies | how many do 10/25s drop on a boss? |
| 08:15.39 | Semlar | but if it actually does drop better gear that's bullshit too |
| 08:15.52 | Mr_Rabies | it does have a higher chance at thunderforged gear |
| 08:16.17 | Semlar | if anything 10 man is more difficult than 25 man because it puts more pressure on each individual player to not screw up |
| 08:16.37 | Semlar | you have one person die in a 10 man and you're screwed |
| 08:17.12 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, some fights are definitely harder on 10s if you've got slackers in the raid |
| 08:17.42 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't like 10s much myself anymore after trying 25s again |
| 08:18.15 | Mr_Rabies | juggling raid buffs is a nightmare, and taking some guy that's sorta bad but is fun to raid with is impossible in 10s |
| 08:18.33 | Mr_Rabies | however |
| 08:18.37 | Semlar | raid buffs aren't that bad |
| 08:18.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's a logistical nightmare at times |
| 08:18.53 | Mr_Rabies | some buffs are really rough to fill in 10s |
| 08:18.56 | Semlar | but we also have two hunters and i'm beast mastery |
| 08:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | like the physical damage taken buff |
| 08:19.25 | Semlar | i'm generally using the dragonhawk for the magic debuff |
| 08:19.39 | Semlar | so we don't have whatever brings that |
| 08:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | 25s are a pain because organizing 25 people's schedules, egos, etc is a lot tougher than 10s |
| 08:20.11 | Mr_Rabies | they're far more unstable simply due to the higher number of people, so i could see there being some incentive in the game design to keep them together vs. 10s |
| 08:20.16 | jnwhiteh | i wish i had the time or desire to make it to 90 |
| 08:20.19 | jnwhiteh | my poor druid |
| 08:20.26 | Semlar | there has to be some incentive to do 25 man or nobody would do them |
| 08:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather see something like 15 man but that would cause a massive forum shitstorm after all these years of 10/25 |
| 08:21.40 | Semlar | if they can introduce this scaling technology and it works then it should just be applied to everything |
| 08:21.48 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 08:22.03 | Mr_Rabies | i don't like the individual loot system being implemented with the flex raids |
| 08:22.05 | Semlar | then there wouldn't be any 10/25 mans it would just be 10+ or whatever |
| 08:23.01 | Mr_Rabies | if loot still dropped from bosses and just maintained roughly the same number of items per raid member, i'd be set |
| 08:23.31 | Semlar | i don't want anything changed from the normal raid aside from the ability to bring in however many people i want |
| 08:23.41 | Mr_Rabies | the individual loot system is nice for lfr but i dunno |
| 08:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | whoa, this is really cool (and probably nsfw) http://www.dannychoo.com/en/post/26957/Smart+Doll.html |
| 08:25.13 | Mr_Rabies | danny choo, you madman |
| 08:44.19 | Kalroth | Adys: merry day of creation! |
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| 09:39.38 | bluspacecow | <3 mdfind -name |
| 09:39.48 | bluspacecow | auto changes case lower case or upper case |
| 09:40.27 | bluspacecow | finds the lower case and upper case that is |
| 09:40.28 | bluspacecow | silly words |
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| 10:52.51 | karl_w_w | http://delimiter.com.au/2013/06/07/systemic-business-risk-90-of-qld-govts-ict-needs-to-be-replaced-total-cost-7-4-billion/ when IT systems go bad |
| 10:57.04 | zenzio | "[...] would conduct a six month whole of government Audit into ICT systems used across the state public sector, in a bid to identify potential savings and efficiencies ahead of projected rationalisation of its ICT assets and processes" |
| 10:57.11 | zenzio | I guess they didn't find what they were looking for |
| 10:59.05 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 11:23.11 | karl_w_w | so if you gesture type "myself" wrong it can apparently turn out as "muskeg" |
| 11:23.14 | karl_w_w | whatever that is |
| 11:27.30 | Kalroth | Muskeg is an acidic soil type common in Arctic and boreal areas, although it is found in other northern climates as well. |
| 11:31.53 | zenzio | I look forward to "Me, muskeg and Irene" |
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| 12:20.29 | karl_w_w | "potions schmotions" |
| 12:20.32 | karl_w_w | not easy to say |
| 12:20.59 | zenzio | thankfully not a phrase that comes up very often |
| 12:21.17 | karl_w_w | it came up just now! |
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| 12:39.20 | karl_w_w | "I'd say only if somebody has an addictive personality." |
| 12:39.50 | karl_w_w | why is it when the term "addict" is envolved people suddenly forget what grammar is? |
| 12:40.40 | zenzio | sometimes the wrong thing sounds more natural |
| 12:40.44 | karl_w_w | involved haha |
| 12:41.38 | karl_w_w | true zenzio, but that's small comfort when you say something completely different to what you mean |
| 12:41.50 | zenzio | I do agree |
| 12:42.31 | karl_w_w | it's part of the reason english is so hard to learn |
| 12:43.05 | zenzio | well, Australians kind of solved that |
| 12:43.30 | zenzio | a mix of aboriginal language and a dialect no-one outside Australia understands, and we don't even know the grammar is faulty |
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| 13:49.44 | karl_w_w | is there anyone here who would interpret "connection is free" to mean that you get the service free forever? |
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| 13:50.28 | karl_w_w | or thinks that somebody else might make that interpretation |
| 13:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | Not I. |
| 13:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, I do think that other people would make that interpretation, out of foolishness or just to be a rules lawyer. |
| 13:55.18 | Maldivia | ... ok, don't know how to react to http://goo.gl/6KvqX |
| 13:56.40 | mikma | 10/10 would bang |
| 13:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | In Japan, I think people have married those pillows. |
| 13:57.33 | alestane | Established thing in the anime fandom circuit, Maldivia. Not my fetish. |
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| 13:58.45 | Maldivia | alestane: I don't really know if I should laugh, cry... or if I want one! |
| 13:59.56 | alestane | A body pillow is a great thing. Those, however, make me feel a tad creepy. |
| 14:00.28 | alestane | Any of the people-printed ones. |
| 14:02.42 | Lopeppeppy | I love my plain brown body pillow. Printed ones? Creeptastic. |
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| 14:05.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.33 | Maldivia | their games are good... but it's music that makes them spectacular |
| 14:07.34 | mikma | larry reloaded |
| 14:08.02 | Lopeppeppy | Leisure Suit Larry? |
| 14:08.49 | mikma | yeah |
| 14:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | Kids Do Art! |
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| 14:39.34 | karl_w_w | hmm what is this new BlizzardError.exe |
| 14:40.31 | Maldivia | new? |
| 14:40.39 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 14:40.49 | karl_w_w | or is it just the icon has changed so it's made me notice it |
| 14:41.09 | Maldivia | yellow warning sign? |
| 14:41.15 | Maldivia | been like that since... forever? |
| 14:41.54 | karl_w_w | nahhh surely not |
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| 14:42.45 | TC-work | I don't particularly like chocolate, but this is really making me rethink that. http://frenchalacarteblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cocktail-wax-chocolate.jpg (nsfw) |
| 14:43.41 | Maldivia | hmm, it has the opposite effect on me |
| 14:43.47 | nebula169 | how is that nsfw? she's covered |
| 14:43.57 | TC-work | it's grey enough to tag it |
| 14:44.00 | nebula169 | :p |
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| 14:44.05 | TC-work | gray* |
| 14:44.31 | Maldivia | grey is also correct :P |
| 14:44.52 | TC-work | that is subjective. |
| 14:46.09 | Maldivia | http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/grey |
| 14:46.43 | TC-work | There are people that will tell you that it is not correct. Therefore 'subjective'. |
| 14:48.30 | karl_w_w | stupid people will tell you anything |
| 14:48.32 | mikma | sasha gray |
| 14:48.51 | karl_w_w | grey is always correct |
| 14:49.01 | karl_w_w | gray is only correct in the US of dumb |
| 14:49.14 | karl_w_w | and even then some americans won't use gray |
| 14:49.32 | mikma | it's not even a cool COLOUR! |
| 14:49.43 | karl_w_w | it can be! |
| 14:50.23 | Dagmar | Americans believe in equal opportunity for the employment of humans. Fuck vowels. |
| 14:50.46 | karl_w_w | unless the human is black or a woman, presumably |
| 14:51.06 | Maldivia | or gay, or muslim, or etc etc |
| 14:51.14 | Dagmar | 'e' already gets enough work. |
| 14:51.14 | Dagmar | ...and if 'u' is unpopular, it needs to get involved in the community or something, not just shove itself into random words declaring that it should have equal usage with other vowels out of a sense of fairness. |
| 14:51.32 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Yes that's when they're absolutely hired, no matter what |
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| 14:58.33 | Unkle | Station all up in here. |
| 15:09.12 | karl_w_w | <TC-work> I don't particularly like chocolate, but this is really making me rethink that. http://frenchalacarteblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cocktail-wax-chocolate.jpg (nsfw) <- visually similar image search turns up some interesting results |
| 15:09.19 | karl_w_w | like http://www.wholeyum.com/wp-content/uploads/userphoto/1.jpg |
| 15:09.43 | karl_w_w | http://www.jeban.com/userfiles/uploads/2012/09/IMG_14045800.JPG |
| 15:11.32 | TC-work | Not surprised |
| 15:11.52 | TC-work | Black + White apparently = Asian. |
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| 15:16.48 | karl_w_w | Restation. |
| 15:17.17 | Unkle | for some reason - everything in the world decided I was disconnected. |
| 15:23.00 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: hmm, I'm getting chocolate pictures :P |
| 15:23.43 | mikma | tc-work: http://i.imgur.com/vJFVEC0.png |
| 15:23.47 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: Ohh - and this: http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Apr2013/61315237.jpg :) |
| 15:25.37 | TC-work | mikma: I am aware of where it came from |
| 15:29.00 | karl_w_w | rofl |
| 15:33.41 | mikma | tc-work: i came from that too |
| 15:33.58 | TC-work | mikma: ew |
| 15:34.46 | TC-work | (the ew is at the pun, not the subject matter.) |
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| 15:55.56 | pompy | karl_w_w: what are the dates on the BlizzardError.exe file? |
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| 16:03.43 | karl_w_w | created 21 ?May ?2013, accessed & modified ?24 ?May ?2013 |
| 16:04.11 | Lopeppeppy | F'ing hate my grand boss with the firey passions of a thousand suns. |
| 16:04.26 | Ressy | June 4 13 |
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| 16:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ressy, I'll kill your grandboss if you'll kill mine. |
| 16:12.49 | alestane | What has he done now, Peppy? |
| 16:13.29 | Lopeppeppy | "Why doesn't this show up as a news article!!!???" ... because it's not a news article. (apparent when you look at the URL, which does not have /news/ in it) |
| 16:21.29 | Shirik | ? |
| 16:22.27 | Ressy | I have 2 bosses, only 1 of which drives me up the wall. |
| 16:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | I have my boss, and then his boss - hence "grand boss" |
| 16:23.30 | Ressy | ah |
| 16:23.32 | Adys | Kalroth: thanks my love |
| 16:23.51 | Adys | ah yes |
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| 16:24.06 | Adys | birthdays, the perfect occasion to see which forums I need to delete my account on |
| 16:24.58 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 16:25.17 | Unkle | Adys: *chuckle* Happy birthday, again. |
| 16:25.40 | karl_w_w | wow, I know Adys is OLD but you don't need to rub it in! |
| 16:29.08 | TC-work | Adys: they are also the perfect occasion to get someone a walker. |
| 16:29.52 | karl_w_w | on, in Adys's case, tennis balls for the ends of the legs |
| 16:30.20 | Adys | i dont understand blizzard's logic of a separate lockout and ilvl for flexraids |
| 16:30.38 | Torhal | I'm pretty sure I'm older than Adys, so I feel obliged to say "Fuck off, hooligans." |
| 16:30.51 | karl_w_w | senility is a terrible affliction |
| 16:31.24 | karl_w_w | but in seriousness, I see the logic in it |
| 16:31.43 | Maldivia | Adys: woulnd't be the first time you don't understand Blizzard's logic :P |
| 16:31.44 | Torhal | s/ of a separate lockout and ilvl for flexraids// |
| 16:32.02 | Adys | no Torhal |
| 16:32.11 | Adys | after 9 years of wow, i understand blizzard's logic |
| 16:32.32 | Adys | but just like recursion, to understand blizzard's logic, you must first understand blizzard's logic |
| 16:33.05 | Adys | ~recursion |
| 16:33.05 | purl | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
| 16:34.06 | karl_w_w | flex is going to cause more problems than it creates |
| 16:34.21 | Adys | flex is a very interesting solution to a problem it doesn't solve |
| 16:34.39 | Adys | guilds that have too many for 10man and too few for 25man |
| 16:34.48 | Adys | they're not just gonna raid flex to have everyone in it |
| 16:34.51 | TC-work | Torhal: I think just by using 'hooligans' you prove your age. |
| 16:35.21 | karl_w_w | flex is there to allow people who are terrible at raiding to raid |
| 16:35.26 | karl_w_w | which is why lfr is there |
| 16:35.29 | Adys | .. thats lfr |
| 16:35.30 | Torhal | TC-work: :D |
| 16:35.34 | Adys | and no karl_w_w |
| 16:35.42 | Adys | the system is excellent news |
| 16:35.45 | karl_w_w | yes, it is easier than normal |
| 16:35.45 | Adys | i love that they can do it |
| 16:35.51 | Adys | so? |
| 16:36.00 | Adys | it could just as well be harder than normal |
| 16:36.09 | karl_w_w | it could be, but it isnt |
| 16:36.16 | Adys | it doesnt matter |
| 16:36.24 | Adys | what's concrete is the ilvl it drops and the lockouts themselves |
| 16:36.32 | Adys | adding a lockout tier is a terrible idea |
| 16:36.47 | karl_w_w | which is why it should have replaced lfr |
| 16:36.50 | Adys | no |
| 16:36.58 | Adys | it shouldve replaced norm |
| 16:37.04 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 16:37.14 | Adys | because LFR solves a completely separate issue? |
| 16:37.34 | karl_w_w | no it doesn't, they said it's there for people who can't do normal |
| 16:37.58 | Adys | ... no they didnt |
| 16:38.00 | Fisker | hey Adys |
| 16:38.07 | Fisker | not so hey bluspacecow |
| 16:38.43 | Adys | "[...] a better experience to one broad category of raider: social groups comprised predominantly of friends and family, and smaller guilds that do their best to include as many members in their Raid outings possible." |
| 16:38.53 | karl_w_w | While itÂ’s impossible to fit every player into a neat, tidy archetype, we recognize that we could be providing a better experience to one broad category of raider: social groups comprised predominantly of friends and family, and smaller guilds that do their best to include as many members in their Raid outings possible. |
| 16:38.54 | karl_w_w | During the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, the 10-player Normal difficulty served these groups of players pretty well |
| 16:39.45 | Adys | what's with the reading comprehension then? |
| 16:39.48 | TC-work | Ah, the gold standard of humanity. Everyone looks at the same thing and comes to different conclusions. |
| 16:39.54 | karl_w_w | you see, 10 man raiding served the people they are talking about because it was easy, not because you could take as many as you wanted |
| 16:39.55 | karl_w_w | obviously |
| 16:39.58 | Adys | ... |
| 16:39.59 | Adys | no |
| 16:40.00 | Adys | it didnt |
| 16:40.11 | karl_w_w | they just said that is what they are talking about |
| 16:40.26 | Adys | " and smaller guilds that do their best to include as many members in their Raid outings possible." |
| 16:40.35 | karl_w_w | what are u disagreeing with, that 10 man wasn't easier? |
| 16:40.39 | Adys | it's to solve the 17-man guild problem |
| 16:40.43 | Adys | it's nothing to do with difficulty |
| 16:40.47 | karl_w_w | wow |
| 16:41.01 | Maldivia | they should just replace the 10-man version with the flex version instead |
| 16:41.02 | karl_w_w | how can it have nothing to do with difficulty when that is what they just said |
| 16:41.05 | Adys | dude |
| 16:41.07 | Adys | color me this |
| 16:41.13 | Adys | what is the feature of flexible raids |
| 16:41.24 | Adys | "easier than normal" or "THEY SCALE"? |
| 16:41.27 | Adys | hint: it's the one in capsd |
| 16:41.38 | karl_w_w | easier than normal |
| 16:41.38 | Fisker | easier than normal |
| 16:41.49 | Fisker | bu they scale up to almost normal difficulty |
| 16:41.56 | Fisker | but* |
| 16:42.00 | Adys | karl_w_w: you know why you got the same answer as fisker? |
| 16:42.03 | Adys | cause he's a fucking troll |
| 16:42.29 | Adys | karl_w_w: it takes two and a half second to make flex harder than heroic mode |
| 16:42.30 | karl_w_w | what part of "During the Wrath of the Lich King expansion, the 10-player Normal difficulty served these groups of players pretty well" is hard to comprehend? |
| 16:42.31 | TC-work | offers some popcorn to the channel in general. |
| 16:42.37 | Fisker | not trolling just joining the conversation in the middle of it |
| 16:44.13 | Adys | karl_w_w: flexraids are able to factor in the amount of players within a raid and properly scale health, damage, and so on accordingly. also, the factors are slightly lower than normal mode. |
| 16:44.27 | Adys | they can be set to higher, why the hell not |
| 16:45.03 | karl_w_w | they can be |
| 16:45.04 | Adys | karl_w_w: point is, the feature is there to offer a solution to raids that are too large for 10man but not large enough for 25man |
| 16:45.24 | Adys | karl_w_w: IT ALSO HAPPENS that for some reason, blizzard considers this warrants being easier than normal |
| 16:45.25 | karl_w_w | that is a feature |
| 16:45.38 | Adys | now |
| 16:45.42 | Adys | i understand you're not smart |
| 16:45.43 | karl_w_w | it is part of their solution to needing content easier than normal and harder than LFR |
| 16:46.26 | Adys | because i've had plenty of arguments with you where you came off as an illiterate retard who wouldn't know his nose from his genitals that he incidentally left in the fridge |
| 16:46.31 | Adys | cause you're just, not really smart. |
| 16:46.47 | Adys | but that's no reason for not being able to dissociate two distinct features |
| 16:46.58 | karl_w_w | would you like to start discussing the topic of conversation instead of me? |
| 16:47.04 | Adys | honestly, no |
| 16:47.07 | Adys | because I know I'm right |
| 16:47.12 | karl_w_w | then your argument is invalid |
| 16:47.13 | TC-work | You should keep it polite Adys. |
| 16:47.22 | Adys | TC-work: that's the polite version |
| 16:47.31 | TC-work | You know what I mean |
| 16:47.46 | Adys | TC-work: that's the polite version. |
| 16:48.39 | TC-work | No, that is still rude. |
| 16:49.32 | Adys | yes well karl_w_w is just about the next to last person I want to argue with on shit like that |
| 16:49.38 | Adys | i've given him enough chances |
| 16:49.54 | TC-work | Then don't engage. |
| 16:50.07 | Adys | I'm the one who started this. |
| 16:50.19 | TC-work | And continued. |
| 16:50.42 | TC-work | I'm just saying there was a way out if that was what you really wanted. |
| 16:51.13 | Adys | no, cause I actually believe people can change for some crazy ass reason |
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| 16:51.43 | Adys | but when someone gives me, with a serious face, the same answer as someone else who's trolling |
| 16:51.49 | Dagmar | They do. Set them on fire. Observe change. |
| 16:51.53 | Stanzilla | http://frexxx.soup.io/post/317612553/OMFG < want |
| 16:51.54 | Adys | that tells me one of two things: the person is a moron, or the person is a troll |
| 16:52.01 | Adys | either way that's when I stopped talking about the topic |
| 16:52.38 | Adys | so TC-work, as demonstrated, I stopped arguing when "that was what I really wanted" |
| 16:53.00 | karl_w_w | I gave the same answer as Fisker, before he even said it |
| 16:53.15 | karl_w_w | that's amazing, I'm a moron or a troll, AND a time traveller! |
| 16:53.28 | Adys | karl_w_w: take the hint |
| 16:54.22 | Dagmar | Tell us again how Hitler should have been rounding up atheist gingers? |
| 16:54.36 | Dagmar | You didn't say that? probably not an irredeemable troll then. |
| 16:54.58 | karl_w_w | We have established that Blizzard wanted to put easier raiding in, because that's exactly what they said. You want to switch to attacking me because your argument is based on ignoring the facts, that's fine. |
| 16:55.11 | karl_w_w | good day |
| 16:55.56 | Adys | karl_w_w: I switched to attacking you cause you argue points that a troll would make |
| 16:56.04 | Rythal | >.> so much dispute over flex.... I can say, coming from a guild that was 10, and had to leave people out... and is now 25, but we end up having to pug people because we only get 18-19 online for raid time... We are all extactic about Flex. |
| 16:56.15 | Adys | exactly Rythal |
| 16:56.21 | Adys | it's to solve the 17man guild problem |
| 16:56.37 | Adys | it doesn't have two shits to do with difficulty |
| 16:57.07 | Stanzilla | hello friendly internet people |
| 16:57.17 | Adys | what's up fatface |
| 16:57.45 | Adys | Rythal: but the problem with that is theres still a 10man lockout |
| 16:57.52 | Rythal | yes... we will still end up doing both, flex and normal.. but flex lets us not worry about pug and just have fun... |
| 16:58.04 | Stanzilla | Adys: I wished you a happy version bump, like twice! |
| 16:58.09 | Unkle | It's a simple thing - it's an enticement to people like me who've essentially given the fuck up on managing a team, it's a solution for guilds caught in the middle, and it's a solution for people who have a collection of folk who want something as a group that isn't lfr. |
| 16:58.11 | Stanzilla | I'm good, yes? |
| 16:58.14 | Adys | Rythal: yeah thats a problem |
| 16:58.34 | Adys | Rythal: this is aimed towards casual guilds doing (currently) 10 or 25man normal content |
| 16:58.43 | Adys | the feature itself is excellent |
| 16:59.01 | Adys | but adding a separate lockout and bumping the difficulty/reward down is... counter productive |
| 16:59.31 | Adys | if it's aimed towards those guilds, either those guilds won't use the system at all or they'll feel compelled to do both (or be lesser geared if they do just the one) |
| 17:00.07 | Rythal | agreed... Many in our guild herald it as never needing LFR insanity again... others see it as hurray 3 raids a week now... which is to much :| |
| 17:01.16 | Rythal | no one see's it as an alternative to normal, it's either 3 raids, or 2 raids. |
| 17:01.26 | Adys | yep |
| 17:01.44 | Maldivia | why would anyone go through LFR if they could avoid it... |
| 17:01.58 | Rythal | more chance at gearing |
| 17:02.02 | Adys | runestones, rep, that-one-last-item-not-522 |
| 17:02.19 | Adys | valor points if anything but that's another matter |
| 17:02.28 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 17:02.45 | Stanzilla | sup broski |
| 17:02.45 | Fisker | did you see apple invented the concept of clicking on ads for money? |
| 17:02.57 | Maldivia | Apple invented the universe |
| 17:03.12 | Adys | ever heard of the iBang theory? |
| 17:03.24 | Fisker | they're the second best thing Maldivia |
| 17:03.27 | Adys | and I don't mean the porn movie |
| 17:03.29 | Fisker | they're the apple adam used |
| 17:03.32 | Fisker | so they're way up there |
| 17:03.42 | sylvanaar | I invented clicking on things too |
| 17:04.00 | sylvanaar | should I patent that |
| 17:04.15 | Stanzilla | I only yesterday read that jobs only died because he refused normal medical treatment |
| 17:04.18 | Fisker | i'm gonna patent a method for storing patents on a single database |
| 17:04.30 | Fisker | then demand uspto purges their database |
| 17:06.15 | Adys | Fisker: i don't think that'll work |
| 17:07.49 | Fisker | damn |
| 17:08.09 | Fisker | anyone want my social security number btw? |
| 17:09.03 | Maldivia | then download them from the police database hosted at CS`C ? |
| 17:09.52 | Fisker | i know how terrible their security is |
| 17:10.01 | Fisker | i don't even think their dpr client actually does encryption |
| 17:10.16 | Fisker | oh and they get sensitive stuff over normal insecure ftp |
| 17:10.24 | Fisker | and they have passwords in text documents |
| 17:10.33 | Fisker | oh and they let me watch on teamviewer |
| 17:10.51 | Fisker | if only i had cared i would have so many ssn's now |
| 17:11.35 | Maldivia | pick any date, think of 3 random numbers and calculate the fourth... and there's a 10% chance or so you have a valid one :P |
| 17:12.01 | Fisker | :3 |
| 17:12.11 | Fisker | the 4th is a checksum? |
| 17:12.39 | Maldivia | yep, modulus 11 |
| 17:12.46 | Fisker | :o |
| 17:13.33 | Maldivia | except if you're born on the 1st of January in in 1965 or 1966, in which case a valid number can fail the mod11 test |
| 17:13.55 | Fisker | haha |
| 17:14.16 | Fisker | our user system does a mod11 test btw :o |
| 17:14.40 | Fisker | can't wait until we get someone born the 1st of january on 65 or 66 |
| 17:14.47 | Maldivia | Fisker: http://www.cpr.dk/cpr/site.aspx?p=174&t=visartikel&Articleid=4347 |
| 17:15.12 | Fisker | oh well we've only known for 6 years |
| 17:15.19 | Fisker | and we added the mod11 test a few months ago |
| 17:15.43 | Fisker | need new ssn system pls |
| 17:15.52 | Fisker | might as well make one so we can throw out csc and kmd |
| 17:17.24 | Maldivia | afaik, those Jan 1st number are given to imigrants without a known birthday (why they don't just choose Jan 2nd instead, is beyond me) |
| 17:18.37 | Unkle | Does anyone have a particular favorite UPS? |
| 17:19.04 | Fisker | oh yeah Maldivia |
| 17:19.08 | Fisker | guess we won't get any |
| 17:19.11 | TC-work | One that works |
| 17:19.13 | Fisker | like we would ever hire immigrants |
| 17:23.35 | TC-work | You would hire me Fisker |
| 17:24.12 | Fisker | nah |
| 17:24.52 | TC-work | Yup, I'm even more awesome than you. |
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| 17:25.47 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:25.50 | Fisker | not so hey TC-work |
| 17:26.17 | TC-work | s/not so/awesomely/ |
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| 17:34.58 | cogwheel | alfalfa Fisker |
| 17:36.42 | Fisker | :o |
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| 17:49.41 | Rythal | hrmm... is the galaxy 4 really worth spending 300 more for over the galaxy 3... |
| 17:50.21 | TC-work | Yes, it's one whole more galaxy! |
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| 17:52.57 | Neffi__ | Rythal: The chip is a moderate speedup in single-core, and adds 2 more cores. It'll be quicker for a lot of tasks. The read upgrades were the screen and camera. |
| 17:53.11 | Neffi__ | The screen in the S3 had its flaws, and the S4 fixes them wonderfully |
| 17:53.23 | Gnarfoz | what are those flaws? |
| 17:53.37 | Gnarfoz | also, the s4 camera right now has shutter lag, while that's fixed on the s3 |
| 17:53.56 | Neffi__ | Poor color accuracy, and the Pentile display could make small text fuzzy |
| 17:54.18 | Neffi__ | The new screen has much better color accuracy, fixes a lot of the oversaturation of the last one, and has higher DPI so text is clearer |
| 17:54.52 | Rythal | I'm looking at the international S3.. so it's quadcore aswell |
| 17:55.02 | Neffi__ | read this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/04/samsung-galaxy-s-4-the-empire-strikes-back-with-a-faster-sleeker-handset/ |
| 17:55.06 | Gnarfoz | I did |
| 17:55.08 | Gnarfoz | when it came out :P |
| 17:55.11 | Neffi__ | I'd definitely get the S4 |
| 17:55.16 | Neffi__ | I had an S3 by the way |
| 17:55.36 | Gnarfoz | and I have a S4 |
| 17:55.45 | Rythal | My issue with the S4 is the no FM receiver chip anymore... otherwise I'd be all over it already |
| 17:55.52 | Gnarfoz | colors are, as AMOLED is, pretty "vivid" |
| 17:56.05 | Neffi__ | I never found myself using the FM chip, even though I liked it in principle |
| 17:56.08 | Rythal | but i'm using an old ass galaxy S right now.. it's about time I buy a new one. |
| 17:56.34 | Rythal | I can get the S3 for 375.. or the S4 for 700... |
| 17:56.55 | Neffi__ | The screen is my biggest concern, and I'm glad the S4 is a huge upgrade. The S3 was already fast enough, but from what I've read the S4 can feel a lot faster, probably because 4 cores are harder to saturate when you're switching tabs and apps erratically |
| 17:57.36 | Rythal | aye... if it was dual vs quad.. it would be no question, but the one's i'm looking at are both 2GB quad.. S3 @ 1.5, S4 @ 1.9 .. |
| 17:58.04 | Neffi__ | TBH the only concern I have is that to play videos at their native resolution, you now need to store 1080p video. Having a 720p display offered a great balance of clarity and let you store 720p video and watch them unscaled |
| 17:58.25 | Neffi__ | Well the S4 uses a faster chip, and should have a much better GPU |
| 17:58.52 | Gnarfoz | all the performance differences are in the "slightly" area, really |
| 17:59.10 | Gnarfoz | (they're there, though) |
| 17:59.17 | Neffi__ | If speed is your concern, the S4 is no doubt faster. If you like having "fast enough", the S4 could be underclocked even more than the S3 can while maintaining lightning-fast speed, so in theory will be better on battery |
| 18:00.00 | Neffi__ | In my experience these ARM chips have a high voltage curve. Being able to shave off 10% clock speed results in much more than 10% less power used (by the CPU) |
| 18:01.24 | Gnarfoz | gargh bloatware! :D |
| 18:01.32 | Neffi__ | The battery in my S3 was acceptable, but I had the dual-core variant. If you're worried about money, the S3 will certainly be good enough. |
| 18:02.04 | Maldivia | ok, the trailer for Filth looks SO awesome... and NSFW at all! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcQubPzQcpE |
| 18:02.08 | Neffi__ | Also you might be able to save even more on an S3 by getting them refurbished from your carrier. |
| 18:02.40 | Neffi__ | I got my S3 refurbished by buying refurb off my friend's AT&T account. Back before the S4 was out, I paid $200. |
| 18:02.43 | Gnarfoz | blergh, carriers. |
| 18:03.21 | Neffi__ | The condition was nothing less than perfect. They even gave me a new factory sealed battery. |
| 18:05.44 | Rythal | trying to avoid carriers... come december 3 year contracts are no longer legal here so don't want to deal with a carrier now while they are scrambling to grandfather people with 3 year. |
| 18:15.11 | Neffi__ | Ugh. Asus is really digging the yellow+black theme for their new boards. I'm not. |
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| 18:15.51 | Rythal | I liked the black & blue... but they didn't do that for long |
| 18:16.38 | Neffi__ | Yeah, that was nice. Gigabyte's old blue designs weren't bad either. |
| 18:17.01 | Neffi__ | Gigabyte's new boards look nice. Black with subtle blue accents. |
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| 18:29.05 | Unkle | I've been pretty happy with Gigabyte's boards. Enough so that I'm considering picking up one of their takes on Intel's NUC. |
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| 18:33.10 | karl_w_w | Adys: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/9245735089?page=2#35 |
| 18:33.53 | karl_w_w | but I guess you'll ignore that as well so don't worry about it |
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| 19:40.17 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.51 | Semlar | croissant |
| 19:41.59 | Semlar | donut |
| 19:45.42 | Unkle | TC-work: It's a layered croissant-like donut. And entire day's calories in one treat. |
| 19:46.04 | Semlar | but so is either one of those separately |
| 19:46.07 | TC-work | Can you get them custard filled? |
| 19:46.21 | TC-work | because then I may not be able to resist. |
| 19:47.54 | Unkle | TC-work: Yes. I found a creme filled one in a google image search. |
| 19:48.05 | TC-work | Crap |
| 19:48.53 | karl_w_w | cream > custard, generally |
| 19:49.08 | karl_w_w | I expect that would be especially true for something light like that |
| 19:49.12 | Unkle | http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Leisure/cronuts3.jpg |
| 19:49.36 | Neffi__ | Unkle: NUC is basically a net-top? |
| 19:50.01 | Neffi__ | Also I love Gigabyte. They've always been rock solid. Lately it seems like they're the grown-up version of Asus. |
| 19:50.12 | Unkle | Neffi__: It stands for "New Unit of Computing" and they're basically small form factor computers. |
| 19:50.40 | Neffi__ | I'm always iffy on buying alternate products from companies I already love for something else. |
| 19:50.45 | Unkle | http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/nuc.html |
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| 19:51.03 | Neffi__ | I dont want to buy something based on my love for their motherboards, only to be disappointed that motherboards are all they do right |
| 19:51.06 | Unkle | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/16/gigabyte_pitches_intel_nuc_rival/ |
| 19:52.33 | Neffi__ | Hmm. I hate when they do things like this: Core i3 version has no ethernet. So to have ethernet, you have to settle with Celeron. |
| 19:52.45 | Neffi__ | I'd rather the box be slightly wider to not be half-assed on options |
| 19:52.46 | Unkle | Basically, it's a powerful box in a small package designed to do what desktops used to do for the consumer market. |
| 19:53.35 | Neffi__ | Looks nice, but a used Sandy Bridge laptop will probably run you cheaper. Gut the insides and put it in a small case, and you've got something potentially more powerful. |
| 19:54.05 | Semlar | how small of a case are you going to fit a laptop motherboard into |
| 19:54.23 | Neffi__ | Depends on the laptop. Some of them are surprisingly small profile. Eg, the x220. |
| 19:54.25 | Unkle | *nod* These are meant for off-the-shelf applications. Home media servers, etc. |
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| 19:55.30 | Neffi__ | Eh. Things like this and the Mini that it's obviously rivalling make sense if you want something neat and clean. I just hate that they're usually put at the kind of pricepoint that makes you consider just buying something more conventional. |
| 19:56.33 | Unkle | *nod* You and I are outliers though. These are aimed squarely at people who buy "smart" TVs and stuff. |
| 19:57.16 | Neffi__ | Hmm, this made me chuckle. My friend described a small $300 computer exactly like this. |
| 19:57.17 | Unkle | Or for when you want to get your parents a computer. |
| 19:57.23 | Neffi__ | Your point couldn't be made more clearly |
| 19:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | Mini + Plex makes for an awesome home entertainment complex. |
| 19:57.44 | Neffi__ | For people not technically inclined, it makes sense |
| 19:59.06 | Neffi__ | These things are probably better for schools and offices where retrofitting your own hardware is usually too much of a headache so they end up buying overpowered desktops |
| 20:00.15 | Unkle | And to be fair - most people don't /need/ lots of power from their rig. They're watching Netflix, surfing the web, doing Facebook or odwnloading porn. |
| 20:01.01 | Neffi__ | Aye. Desktops are so much faster than people need nowadays. |
| 20:01.12 | TC-work | Lies |
| 20:01.24 | Neffi__ | s/people/most people/ |
| 20:02.15 | pompy | http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/06/07/shots-fired-suspect-down-at-santa-monica-college/ sigh |
| 20:03.10 | karl_w_w | love those guns |
| 20:03.56 | Unkle | The moment you blame the gun, you've made the perpetrator a victim. |
| 20:03.59 | karl_w_w | I think everybody should have access to kill-sticks so we can be more like the USA |
| 20:04.37 | Neffi__ | Horrible misconception |
| 20:05.02 | karl_w_w | have I really Unkle? That's like saying if somebody helps you commit a crime that makes you a victim of them |
| 20:05.12 | Neffi__ | Guns are not unregulated here. Many states regulate VERY heavily, making it next to impossible to get a typical handgun, and outright illegal to get something with power behind it. |
| 20:05.29 | Torhal | Unkle: Damnable purple traitors. |
| 20:05.31 | karl_w_w | I didn't say anything about legality |
| 20:05.55 | Neffi__ | Except for the south, guns are not common here at all |
| 20:06.13 | karl_w_w | the laws set up the environment where guns are present. legally or not, guns can be accessed |
| 20:06.14 | Unkle | I own a gun, many other people own guns. I've never killed anyone with a gun, I've never committed a violent crime. TO say that my gun is a criminal thing, you've removed my agency in the commission of any violent act, thus rendering me a victim of the gun. |
| 20:06.34 | Neffi__ | And I agree with Unkle |
| 20:07.23 | Neffi__ | We're not making a mistake by questioning whether the 2nd Amendment should be so easily trampled on. The only mistakes we're making are when we make decisions like turning down universal background checks. |
| 20:07.26 | karl_w_w | I didn't say it was a criminal thing, it enables you or anyone else to commit crime |
| 20:07.34 | Unkle | What it comes down to is that people do things - we have to hold the people who do things accountable - we can't just reduce it to saying "guns are the whole problem." |
| 20:07.52 | foxlit | The right of the people to hold thermonuclear warheads shall not be infringed. |
| 20:07.55 | Lopeppeppy | I can commit a crime with or without a weapon. Whatever that weapon is. |
| 20:07.57 | karl_w_w | the same is true of a car for example, but then a car has regular everyday uses |
| 20:07.59 | Neffi__ | It doesn't enable anything. The crime would be committed if guns didn't exist. They might use a bow and arrow instead, or a knife, or their hands. |
| 20:08.00 | Unkle | I'm capable of all kinds of crime even without a gun. *shrug* As is every other person. |
| 20:08.16 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy your crimes are much more severe with a gun |
| 20:08.17 | TC-work | I wonder why CHP got the call. I mean the campus has SMPD onsite. |
| 20:08.19 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, can I have an alligator to go do murder on my Grand Boss? |
| 20:08.23 | karl_w_w | people will always commit crime |
| 20:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, I think murder by alligator would be very severe. |
| 20:08.36 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: With a frikkin laser beam on his head? |
| 20:08.50 | Lopeppeppy | No lasers. I want this fucker to die slowly. |
| 20:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | "This forward takes too long to process. Can't you speed it up?" |
| 20:09.04 | karl_w_w | you're right, alligators are much more common than guns |
| 20:09.07 | karl_w_w | I have one! |
| 20:09.11 | Neffi__ | foxlit: That is obviously hyperbolic. Nobody said we should have the right to guns like AA-12s. But that we should have the right to something, because drawing a line between a small handgun and a crossbow is arbitrary, if the criminal wants to be a criminal anyway. |
| 20:09.24 | Lopeppeppy | My brother stole my alligators. It makes me sad. |
| 20:09.38 | karl_w_w | :D |
| 20:09.51 | karl_w_w | why draw the line there Neffi__? |
| 20:10.14 | Neffi__ | Everything is a spectrum. The line must obviously be drawn somewhere. Slippery slope arguments work both ways. |
| 20:10.16 | karl_w_w | is a bullet from a 6 shooter less fatal than one from an uzi? |
| 20:10.21 | Unkle | I'm actually for reasonable controls on the ability of people to do harm to each other. I just also recognize the futility of expecting any solution that involves humans approaching an ideal. |
| 20:10.25 | Neffi__ | You can't just outlaw anything remotely dangerous because you can |
| 20:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | Toss 'em all out the airlock, that's my solution. |
| 20:10.44 | karl_w_w | so why outlaw automatic weapons? |
| 20:10.48 | Neffi__ | Might as well outlaw kitchen knives, eh? |
| 20:10.58 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: That's pretty hard. It's expensive to get them there. |
| 20:11.01 | karl_w_w | kitchen knives have a use |
| 20:11.03 | karl_w_w | in the kitchen |
| 20:11.06 | Neffi__ | Because automatic weapons represent a significantly higher risk |
| 20:11.21 | Neffi__ | karl_w_w: Guns have a use, in hunting and self-defense |
| 20:11.23 | karl_w_w | so do handguns |
| 20:11.26 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 20:12.11 | karl_w_w | that really is incredible |
| 20:12.25 | Neffi__ | A submachine gun doesn't have higher utility while hutning or for self-defense (than a handgun), but does have significantly higher risk. You need to draw the line somewhere, and that line should be drawn from a utilitarian standpoint, not an emotional one. |
| 20:12.26 | karl_w_w | if guns were outlawed you wouldn't need guns for self-defense |
| 20:12.48 | Unkle | karl_w_w: draw any parallel you like. The problem is still the person behind it. Chainsaw? Lead pipe? Hammer? Axe? Bleach or rat poison? |
| 20:12.58 | karl_w_w | right |
| 20:13.17 | Humbedooh | much harder to run away from a gun than a lead pipe tho ;3 |
| 20:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | Alligator. (I really do find that substituting alligator in these arguments makes them about as logical as they should be.) |
| 20:13.22 | karl_w_w | people will always try to kill people, why not make them do it less efficiently? |
| 20:13.23 | Unkle | Truth is cars kill more people every day. |
| 20:13.34 | Neffi__ | karl_w_w: Except it's MUCH MUCH easier for me to obtain a gun illegally than legally. If I wanted to, I know about 3-4 people that could get me a good 9mm is about 2 hours, and almost anything within days. Obtaining one illegally here in NYC might take me months |
| 20:13.36 | Dagmar | How exactly do they pose a "higher risk"? |
| 20:13.48 | Dagmar | For one thing, gangsters can't shoot for beans. |
| 20:13.48 | Neffi__ | s/illegally here in NYC/legally here in NYC/ |
| 20:14.17 | karl_w_w | it's easy because they are available |
| 20:14.23 | Torhal | karl_w_w: When guns are outlawed, that doesn't mean there aren't still guns. It simply means the outlaws will be the only ones who have them. |
| 20:14.29 | karl_w_w | they are available because there is a legal market for them |
| 20:14.39 | Torhal | Just like drugs. |
| 20:14.39 | Neffi__ | Exactly. Remind me how often criminals follow the law? |
| 20:14.43 | Dagmar | For the other, the common models use much smaller rounds. A .22 or 9mm will make a painful hole in your leg. A Desert Eagle (which is a "mere" handgun) will blow your leg off at the knee. |
| 20:14.47 | Unkle | And a military market for them. :P |
| 20:15.20 | karl_w_w | but outlaws are currently the only ones who can have automatic weapons, so shouldn't everyone have them to level the field? |
| 20:15.39 | Neffi__ | I think a saner position would be universal background checks, and maybe even evaluations of the individuals |
| 20:15.53 | Dagmar | I draw the line at nukes. |
| 20:15.57 | Neffi__ | You don't always need drastic, overarching measures to fix problems |
| 20:16.07 | karl_w_w | Dagmar: nukes for all and nothing more? :P |
| 20:16.16 | Unkle | But my point was simply this - a human had to decide to hurt someone. How they did it, gun, car, bomb, poison, ax, lead pipe, or chainsaw - it still one human deciding to hurt other humans. |
| 20:16.38 | Dagmar | Nah. Nuclear weapons have a "higher risk". There are almost always collateral damage and casualties to innocents. |
| 20:16.48 | Dagmar | There are also far too many of them out there. |
| 20:17.04 | Neffi__ | Maybe we should defer the risk of punishment over to the act of violence itself, not the utility used to commit it? Maybe death sentences for proven murderers? |
| 20:17.20 | Neffi__ | No more "I'll get let off in 15 for good behavior" |
| 20:17.23 | Dagmar | Much easier and more productive to campaign to get rid of nukes than worrying about who has a gun that can shoot nine tiny bullets without reloading. |
| 20:17.45 | karl_w_w | I think guns kill more people than nukes |
| 20:17.48 | karl_w_w | one problem at a time |
| 20:17.54 | Neffi__ | lol |
| 20:18.17 | Neffi__ | The day I can't have my antimatter/neutronium hyperbomb WMD is the day I am no longer free |
| 20:18.19 | Neffi__ | =P |
| 20:18.19 | Dagmar | Some years back nukes killed almost 200,000 people. |
| 20:18.28 | Unkle | guns kill a lot of people - especially when national governments give them to their military. |
| 20:18.35 | Dagmar | Just two nukes. |
| 20:18.45 | Rythal | at least they haven't outlawed my doomsay devices yet |
| 20:19.01 | Dagmar | Now, we can stretch that out from the day we invented guns to today, and no gun has ever come close to killing that many people. |
| 20:19.04 | Neffi__ | When I hear figures like that, I can just imagine the devastation if 9/11 was a nuke and not a plane. Could easily wipe out tens of millions. |
| 20:19.06 | Unkle | Orbital Mind Control Lasers. |
| 20:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | Orbital Alligators. |
| 20:19.31 | Dagmar | Neffi: That's why no nukes allowed in carryon. |
| 20:19.39 | karl_w_w | except we can't stretch that out, circumstances have changed |
| 20:19.41 | Neffi__ | Orbital teacups. And with that I go for a cigarette. Because I'll always be free to kill MYSELF. |
| 20:20.06 | Dagmar | Of course they've changed. we've got a lot more nukes now, and some will just about fit in a Holly Hobbie lunchbox. |
| 20:20.50 | Constie | I'm glad they were planes and not giant alligators. |
| 20:21.53 | Unkle | Man, dropping a giant alligator on Japan is exactly the sort of thing manga has been preparing them for! |
| 20:22.09 | karl_w_w | Me too, imagine if somebody bred alligators that big! The criminals would have them in no time and then regular people would need them as well to defend themselves! |
| 20:22.43 | Constie | That would actually be pretty cool. |
| 20:23.04 | Torhal | Screw giant alligators. Japan has Godzilla. |
| 20:24.28 | karl_w_w | giant alligator would win |
| 20:25.03 | karl_w_w | because it's flat to the ground, and all of godzilla's power is high up |
| 20:25.04 | Neffi__ | That brings up something my thoroughly crazy friend likes to mention. The day the zombie apocolypse happens, how prepares will we be? |
| 20:25.36 | karl_w_w | completely depends how close real zombies are to the imagined ones, Neffi__ |
| 20:25.40 | Neffi__ | It sounds utterly ridiculous, but you never know what the future will bring. Crash of civilization, mass invasion by hostiles, super-mutant human rabies. |
| 20:25.56 | Neffi__ | It's a hyperbolic estimation of something that could one day be real |
| 20:26.07 | Dagmar | Crash of civilization is pretty much a certainty |
| 20:26.09 | karl_w_w | of course |
| 20:26.19 | Dagmar | I just look forward to eating some greedy rich people. |
| 20:26.23 | Neffi__ | And when that day comes I surely want a gun and not a kitchen knife |
| 20:26.34 | karl_w_w | so if real zombie-like things are like movie zombies, pretty much everyone will have some idea what to do |
| 20:26.49 | Unkle | When the apocalypse comes, I'm going to be an early casualty. |
| 20:26.53 | Mr_Rabies | <Neffi__> It sounds utterly ridiculous, but you never know what the future will bring. Crash of civilization, mass invasion by hostiles, super-mutant human rabies. |
| 20:26.54 | Dagmar | Assuming they're not busy screaming "Oh god I'm fodder!" |
| 20:26.54 | Mr_Rabies | you rang? |
| 20:26.55 | Neffi__ | People assume so, but it would thin the population unimaginably |
| 20:27.13 | Adys | karl_w_w: that post is disappointing. |
| 20:27.19 | Neffi__ | If it gets bad enough quick enough, we could easily come to a point where local authorities cannot contain the situation, and the majority of people are simply not fit enough to handle it on their own |
| 20:27.21 | Dagmar | People are so adept at ignoring reality probably a third of the population will be snack food because they'll be too busy tweeting about how lame the costumes look |
| 20:27.23 | karl_w_w | I imagine so |
| 20:27.36 | Neffi__ | Mr_Rabies: i lol'd |
| 20:28.02 | Unkle | Cardio. Double Tap. |
| 20:28.10 | Neffi__ | lol |
| 20:28.18 | Dagmar | Katanas don't need reloading. |
| 20:28.31 | Adys | karl_w_w: they seem to think that regular raiding groups who are having an "off" night would decide "hey, why not do a completely different lockout" |
| 20:28.36 | Neffi__ | I can imagine a day when the population is thinned to a handful of tribes per thousand-square-miles |
| 20:28.36 | Unkle | There's a reason I have swords too. |
| 20:29.05 | Unkle | Neffi__: Ready any of the 'Horseclans' novels? |
| 20:29.12 | Neffi__ | No I have not |
| 20:29.31 | Neffi__ | My to-read list is always too big to bother going to the bookstore, because if I did I'd be broke for months |
| 20:30.06 | Unkle | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseclans - used bookstores. In the paperback sections. Hard to find all of them. But fun to read anyway. |
| 20:30.21 | karl_w_w | Adys: which is why I think they are trying to fix a problem that isn't really there |
| 20:30.35 | karl_w_w | they should scrap the idea and use the tech to do what you said |
| 20:30.41 | Adys | karl_w_w: the problem *is* there, but they're overreaching |
| 20:30.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:30.43 | Neffi__ | I'm sure I can find a bookstore in the city where I can pick up paperbacks for a dollar or two. But I'm pretty broke right now. That dollar or two is my dinner. |
| 20:30.55 | Neffi__ | I don't even pay for WoW anymore |
| 20:30.56 | Adys | karl_w_w: cause the problem of 17man guilds does exist |
| 20:30.59 | karl_w_w | and let it go down to about 8 people |
| 20:31.04 | Adys | and the problem of "off nights" does exist |
| 20:31.15 | karl_w_w | so 10 man guild where people don't show up can do it as well |
| 20:32.18 | Adys | also im getting increasingly annoyed at the bnet limit on raids |
| 20:32.31 | Adys | they could really get rid of that for normal modes |
| 20:32.36 | Adys | i understand why its there for heroics |
| 20:32.39 | Adys | but still |
| 20:32.41 | karl_w_w | that's the one saving grace, apparently you can flex cross realm |
| 20:32.56 | Adys | it makes sense |
| 20:33.04 | Adys | if flex is oriented towards pugging |
| 20:33.25 | karl_w_w | apparently they are worried about what'll happen to guilds if you can raid cross-realm |
| 20:33.50 | Adys | which is why ive been saying they should make guilds cross-realm too |
| 20:33.51 | karl_w_w | I personally can't imagine what would happen |
| 20:34.20 | Adys | a lot would tbh |
| 20:34.26 | karl_w_w | people are suddenly going to decide they don't want to play together because they *could* play elsewhere? |
| 20:34.38 | Adys | well, yes |
| 20:34.47 | Adys | you have the entire wow community to pick from |
| 20:34.52 | Adys | this is why openraid is so successful |
| 20:35.12 | karl_w_w | but you already do have that community, it just costs a transfer fee |
| 20:35.25 | Adys | you don't, no |
| 20:35.30 | karl_w_w | the advantage of a guild is in raiding with the same people every week |
| 20:36.26 | Adys | karl_w_w: the problem is players don't know what's good for them |
| 20:36.31 | Adys | especially when it comes to social |
| 20:36.50 | Adys | so i can totally see their point; a lot of guilds would die out |
| 20:36.58 | Adys | but xrealm guilds would solve that |
| 20:37.17 | karl_w_w | I'd like to think in this case they do, I mean, there isn't much which draws people to guild together other than having people to do content with regularly |
| 20:38.43 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/06/behold-the-worlds-most-sophisticated-android-trojan/ |
| 20:38.44 | karl_w_w | if people switch to raid cross realm (whether guilded or not), they're still going to gravitate to a regular group |
| 20:39.06 | karl_w_w | which is why I think ultimately their reason is "we don't want to lose server transfer money" |
| 20:39.45 | karl_w_w | and yes, they should make it all cross-realm |
| 20:39.56 | karl_w_w | raids and guilds |
| 20:46.40 | Dagmar | I can't see server transfer fees being a particularly large profit center for them |
| 20:48.52 | karl_w_w | me neither, but I can't think of any other reason not to go the cross-realm-guilds route |
| 20:49.09 | Neffi__ | Total cross-realm makes sense |
| 20:49.15 | karl_w_w | maybe it's just too much work |
| 20:49.46 | Neffi__ | The world becomes more of a super-world. You may or may not exist in the same plane as any other player, but what guarantees your economic ties is the persistent plane of your realm. |
| 20:49.59 | karl_w_w | there are issues to think-out, like what do you do with guild gold and bank? you can't let them flow between realms while the realms have their own unique economies |
| 20:50.02 | Neffi__ | They're moving more and more towards blurring the line between realms. Why not make the final step? |
| 20:50.07 | Neffi__ | It'd make load balancing way easier |
| 20:50.30 | Neffi__ | You should also consider why the realms have their own economies anyway |
| 20:50.49 | karl_w_w | because they do |
| 20:50.54 | Neffi__ | It mirrors the concept of globalization in the real world. Truth be told, it's not such a bad thing. |
| 20:51.00 | karl_w_w | changing it would be a huge overhaul |
| 20:51.29 | Neffi__ | Technologically, yes. But from the player's perspective, after a few months time, they would stop missing the old system. |
| 20:51.41 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 20:51.43 | Neffi__ | If it had been designed that way from the get-go, it wouldnt make the game any less good |
| 20:52.09 | Neffi__ | In fact it might make the game better for those players that have to deal with the extremes of low population, and overinflated local economies |
| 20:52.17 | karl_w_w | but would the payoff be worth the investment |
| 20:52.37 | Neffi__ | Easily if it simplifies the server system so that resources could be more easily balanced and utilized |
| 20:52.47 | karl_w_w | I guess the answer depends on how high your server population is :P |
| 20:52.51 | Neffi__ | Ultimately they may be able to slash a good amount of hardware from their system, and lower costs |
| 20:53.55 | Neffi__ | There will be issues like time zones, but slash that. Why does the game world have to have a real-world time system? Why not skew the rate of time passage in the virtual world so players in all areas enjoy the day/night cycle evenly? |
| 20:54.33 | karl_w_w | because people don't like change |
| 20:54.49 | Neffi__ | But if the change had occured before they began playing, they wouldnt even know not to like it. |
| 20:55.14 | Neffi__ | As the developer, you have to make the conscious choice to design your own game, and stop fearing what a democractic decision might be like |
| 20:55.34 | Neffi__ | I think if players were held to that standard, they would learn to respect the process |
| 20:55.58 | Neffi__ | They're not game developers. They should learn that. If they can do it better, they're free to quit and make their own MMO. |
| 20:56.06 | Dagmar | Becausse players are whiny shits who don't notice anyway |
| 20:56.13 | Dagmar | Night used to have meaning in games. No longer. |
| 20:56.45 | Neffi__ | Players will always be whiny shits. The minute you cater to any of their unreasonable whining is the minute your whole game goes to shit, because that's when the players own you. |
| 20:56.59 | Neffi__ | No matter how good anything is, they will whine. You can't give in because of that. |
| 20:57.02 | Dagmar | I actually enjoyed the look of grass near Scholomance in the wee hours |
| 20:57.23 | karl_w_w | the hours when people came to wee on them? :P |
| 20:57.35 | Dagmar | No, I used to always play at like 2-3am |
| 20:57.45 | Neffi__ | Me too. STV looks nice at night. |
| 20:57.54 | Neffi__ | But it makes the cats even more stealthy |
| 20:57.57 | Dagmar | ...which, when we were time-synched, was handy for not fucking up my sleep clock. |
| 20:58.14 | karl_w_w | on that note, I'm going to sleep |
| 20:58.16 | karl_w_w | at 5am |
| 20:58.20 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/CsetmrQ |
| 20:58.22 | Dagmar | Then one day... the lighting was all fucked up and it took me days to find out why. |
| 21:01.13 | Neffi__ | mikma: I have no idea why that's funny, but it kind of is |
| 21:02.58 | Xuerian | They changed the day/night cycles? O_o |
| 21:03.19 | *** join/#wowuidev MiRai (~MiRai@unaffiliated/mirai) |
| 21:04.07 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1furhj/360_owners_if_youre_unhappy_with_the_xbox_1_call/ |
| 21:04.38 | Dagmar | Not gonna happen |
| 21:05.37 | mikma | neffi__: i know i would be mad if i would have send all my messages to other people with microsoft excel |
| 21:08.36 | Ackis | okay I need someone to explain the first season of this dr who that I watch like I'm 5 years old |
| 21:08.57 | Dagmar | That guy never dies, but he's not a vampire. |
| 21:09.05 | Dagmar | He's also, and this is important, not a puf. |
| 21:09.25 | Neffi__ | He's an alien, right? <- never watched Dr Who |
| 21:09.36 | Dagmar | Definitely an alien, and a time traveler. |
| 21:09.39 | Neffi__ | (I'm afraid it's gonna be all tea and crumpets and 'ello guv'na) |
| 21:09.51 | Dagmar | His time ship is cloaked, but the cloak is broken so it always looks like a police box. |
| 21:11.10 | Torhal | Chameleon circuit. |
| 21:11.31 | Unkle | Ackis: The Doctor is a Time Lord - from the Planet Gallifrey. Time Lords look like humans, but have two hearts and a generally much smarter than humans. They also invented machines which give them the power to travel in time and space. The Doctor is sort of a renegade, having stolen is TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimensions in Space) and legging off to have adventures. |
| 21:11.37 | Torhal | And if you type "Dr. Who" around rabid fans, they'll eat your heart while screaming "IT'S DOCTOR WHO!" |
| 21:11.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 21:12.01 | nebula169 | you mean IT'S DOCTOR WHOM |
| 21:12.15 | Dagmar | Definitely not. |
| 21:12.18 | Torhal | scrapes nebula169 off of a random wall. |
| 21:12.32 | Ackis | okay, but I just saw an episode where "dies" but becomes a new dude |
| 21:12.47 | Torhal | Yes |
| 21:12.51 | Torhal | He regenerated. |
| 21:12.53 | Ackis | this is from season 1 which happened in 2005 |
| 21:13.00 | Ackis | is that the current one going on? |
| 21:13.05 | Torhal | Yes, |
| 21:13.10 | Unkle | The show revolves around the Doctor and his Companions - people he picks up somewhere to take with him. Time Lords can "regenerate" and grow entirely new bodies. |
| 21:13.13 | Torhal | Not the same dude now, but same series. |
| 21:13.19 | Dagmar | He's regenerated twice since 2005. |
| 21:13.40 | Ackis | okay so I have 5 series of it, which I thought was the entire series, which confused me |
| 21:13.44 | Unkle | When they do, aspects of their personality change - some amplify, some mute. But at the core, he's still the same person. |
| 21:13.46 | Dagmar | Five or six times during the 80's |
| 21:13.58 | Dagmar | "Generally a lunatic" |
| 21:14.04 | Torhal | Ackis: They're "seasons". The British call them series. |
| 21:14.09 | Dagmar | Ackis: Oh hell no. LOL |
| 21:14.11 | Torhal | They ARE a series of episodes, so...kinda makes sense. |
| 21:14.19 | Dagmar | Ackis: If you thought Star Trek was long-running, oh my |
| 21:14.44 | nebula169 | bbc has shorter runs |
| 21:14.55 | nebula169 | like the sherlock seasons are three eps |
| 21:15.00 | nebula169 | wtb moar ;; |
| 21:15.05 | Dagmar | Doctor Who goes so far back some of the earliest episodes are like watching goddamn ancient episodes of Twilight Zone where the media is so damn old it's like time itself is forgetting the details of what happened |
| 21:15.12 | Ackis | what I thought happened was there were like 5 seasons with Dr Who A and then the series stopped and they started a new one with Dr Who B |
| 21:15.19 | Torhal | No. |
| 21:15.19 | Unkle | Ackis - You also need to know that where you're starting in the 9th Doctor. He's been through 8 other incarnations before that. So there's history, but you can sort of pick it up as you go, since it's not set in stone. |
| 21:15.41 | Dagmar | At one point a Time Lord was only allowed 12 regenerations. |
| 21:16.01 | Neffi__ | What season/doctor should a new viewer start with? (If they don't like cheesy old television) |
| 21:16.06 | Dagmar | Of course at one point one of those regenerations of the Doctor was actually supposed to be his Nemesis, The Master. |
| 21:16.10 | Torhal | The 2005 "reboot" |
| 21:16.17 | Unkle | Season 1 of the new stuff - where Ackis is starting. |
| 21:16.39 | Torhal | It still holds all of the old stuff as canon, though, so it isn't much of a reboot as a modernization. |
| 21:16.40 | Ackis | I'm now apparently watching a Christmas special |
| 21:16.54 | Neffi__ | So 9th? |
| 21:16.55 | Torhal | Ackis: Continue. It all ties in. |
| 21:16.59 | Torhal | Neffi__: Yes. |
| 21:17.07 | Dagmar | Then since 2005, the BBC realized THERE'S LOADS OF FUCKING MONEY riding on this, so things have quietly been retconned to "No, time lords can regenerate as many times as they like" so the Cash Cow Can Never Die |
| 21:17.09 | Unkle | Yeah. It's traditional for for the show to do a Christmas special. |
| 21:17.36 | Torhal | Especially since the first Christmas Special is also the introduction to David Tennant's Doctor. |
| 21:17.49 | Ackis | no |
| 21:17.50 | Dagmar | Again, since 2005 it's been traditional |
| 21:17.58 | Ackis | he was introduced in the season finally of season 1 Torhal |
| 21:18.04 | Torhal | Ackis: Not really. |
| 21:18.05 | Dagmar | the fourth new season IIRC they even made fun of that |
| 21:18.13 | Neffi__ | Ugh. Of course it's gonna be a bitch to know which is which on TPB. |
| 21:18.13 | Torhal | This is a proper introduction. |
| 21:18.34 | Dagmar | Doctor shows up on Christmas, starts to get a little puzzled because it's London and _no one's_ around, asks a newspaper vendor |
| 21:18.34 | Ackis | I liked the other doctor though :( he was a proper prick |
| 21:18.59 | Dagmar | The vendor tells him "Well it's London and coming up on Christmas. Everyone's gone out to the country where it'll be safer~!" |
| 21:19.11 | Unkle | Eccleston was pretty good, but I don't feel like he ever really relaxed into the role. |
| 21:20.14 | Unkle | I really like the episodes where Jack is introduced. |
| 21:20.54 | Ackis | and now the current dcotor (tennant?) is done so the next season will have a new one? |
| 21:21.01 | Torhal | No |
| 21:21.09 | Torhal | Tennant was seasons 2-5 |
| 21:21.12 | Dagmar | Umm.. Tennant hasn' been the Doctor for awhile now |
| 21:21.25 | Torhal | In 5, Matt Smith takes his place. |
| 21:21.25 | Unkle | Matt Smith is Series 6 - 7 |
| 21:21.56 | Ackis | this is worse than when the changed Ash's voice actor in pokemon! |
| 21:21.57 | Torhal | Unkle: No, 5. |
| 21:22.12 | Torhal | Tennant was in 2, 3, and 4. |
| 21:22.24 | Unkle | Torhal: Thanks. |
| 21:22.48 | Torhal | And it looks like Smith will keep that pattern. |
| 21:22.59 | Dagmar | If you're going to watch old ones, you can skip everyone except Tom Baker |
| 21:23.06 | Humbedooh | !! |
| 21:23.16 | Humbedooh | Dagmar: Jelly baby?! |
| 21:23.20 | Unkle | Smith is doing the Xmas special and the 50th Anniversary Special. |
| 21:23.29 | Dagmar | Baker was a perfect lunatic |
| 21:23.52 | Unkle | The scarf - awesome. |
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| 21:37.41 | TC-work | Dammit my culinary tastes are getting refined. Someone get me a pixie stick. |
| 21:38.04 | TC-work | Stix* |
| 21:42.29 | Neffi__ | TC-work: A gourmet pixie stick? |
| 21:42.36 | Neffi__ | Only the finest pure cane sugar! |
| 21:42.46 | Unkle | TC-work: UGH. Just slam a RedBull - tastes the same |
| 21:42.56 | TC-work | Neffi__: No, it is to keep me from getting a refined taste. |
| 21:43.12 | TC-work | Unkle: A redbull hardly tastes like pure sugar. |
| 21:43.19 | Neffi__ | What's wrong with having a refined taste? |
| 21:43.43 | Unkle | TC-work: But it still tastes the same as pixie sitix |
| 21:44.53 | TC-work | Unkle: Worse imo |
| 21:45.17 | Unkle | true that. |
| 21:46.14 | Neffi__ | Given the independency between base clock and RAM controller, is there any necessity for an overclocked Sandy Bridge or Haswell CPU to have the RAM running at a frequency relative to CPU clock or base clock? |
| 21:47.35 | TC-work | Neffi__: Because then I stop enjoying things like Pixie Stix |
| 21:47.53 | Neffi__ | But then you can enjoy good food all that much more |
| 21:48.26 | TC-work | Oh, I was just thinking of dessert. |
| 21:48.39 | Neffi__ | But gourmet dessert is the most fun food to make |
| 21:49.02 | TC-work | But I want to still be able to enjoy a pile of sugar. |
| 21:49.07 | Torhal | Unkle: Just wait until Ackis watches "The Doctor's Daughter" and we get to completely mindfuck him. |
| 21:49.44 | TC-work | Just goes to show tenant has good taste. |
| 21:49.51 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 21:50.10 | Unkle | Torhal: Or series 6 Demon's Run |
| 21:50.52 | pompy | or the red head! |
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| 21:51.08 | Torhal | Unkle: ? |
| 21:51.09 | Unkle | Amelia Pond... rawr. |
| 21:51.33 | Unkle | Torhal: All the stuff with River Song. |
| 21:51.45 | Torhal | Unkle: Oh, you mean "When a Good Man Goes to War" |
| 21:51.52 | TC-work | Yea |
| 21:51.58 | Torhal | What I mentioned is pretty meta, though. |
| 21:52.01 | Unkle | The Battle of Demon's Run... I was being oblique. |
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| 22:00.06 | Dagmar | 10/10 would bang |
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| 22:04.38 | Torhal | tosses Dagmar a few gangers. |
| 22:10.20 | Sharparam | Torhal: any status on chocobo? |
| 22:13.56 | Ackis | apparently the weekly mogu runes quest is bugged, I've done it for the third time on my priest this week |
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| 22:14.40 | Sharparam | Ackis: wuuut :o |
| 22:14.48 | Sharparam | how often did it reset? |
| 22:15.00 | Ackis | it's supposed to be weekly |
| 22:15.13 | Sharparam | it's reseting daily? |
| 22:16.08 | Ackis | not sure, it reset for everyone in my guild as well |
| 22:16.23 | Sharparam | :O |
| 22:16.26 | Sharparam | EU/US? |
| 22:16.29 | Ackis | US |
| 22:16.32 | Sharparam | hm |
| 22:16.37 | Sharparam | lemme check if it is reset on EU |
| 22:16.42 | Sharparam | but i think i did it today |
| 22:19.51 | Sharparam | not reset for me |
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| 22:21.14 | Sharparam | Ackis: so you've gotten 9 runes this week? |
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| 22:25.17 | Ackis | yeah |
| 22:25.27 | Ackis | I didn't even realize it at first, I guess I did it on Tuesday |
| 22:25.36 | Ackis | and then I saw that it was up today and I was like damn I'm an idiot |
| 22:25.38 | Neffi__ | I hate when new CPUs/GPUs come out |
| 22:25.49 | Ackis | and then it was up again and I was like dafuq? |
| 22:26.14 | Neffi__ | I can't help but window shop, then I read up on their architecture and merits of overclocking in different ways, and I want nothing more than to drop $15k on a ridiculous beast of a computer and a fish tank to oil-cool it |
| 22:26.21 | Sharparam | nerf US quests |
| 22:26.22 | Sharparam | too OP |
| 22:27.00 | Sharparam | Neffi__: oil-cool? |
| 22:27.50 | Unkle | mineral oil cooling is badass. |
| 22:36.54 | Neffi__ | Sharparam: Yes, mineral oil submersion |
| 22:37.06 | Sharparam | never heard of |
| 22:37.46 | Neffi__ | It's how they cool transformers and shit. There are a lot of caveats, like it blowing electrolytic capacitors and interfering with some TIM. All the more reason I wish I could do it. |
| 22:38.09 | Neffi__ | I'd love to have a computer build that I can turn into my own ongoing project like people do with muscle cars |
| 22:39.11 | Neffi__ | http://www.overclock.net/t/938147/attn-mineral-oil-doubters-your-questions-answered-here-future-faq |
| 22:42.21 | Sharparam | :o |
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