| 00:04.12 | kullervo | I think there's food with similar appereance in NOMAD |
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| 00:24.31 | Sharparam | i think the packager is dying |
| 00:24.38 | Sharparam | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/chocobo/repositories/mainline/packager/ |
| 00:24.43 | Sharparam | that doesn't look healthy |
| 00:27.00 | Xemnosyst | I committed changes 3 hours ago and they haven't been packaged. Torhal said it was busy working on someone's 50-ish commits at the time. |
| 00:27.12 | Sharparam | that's me :D |
| 00:27.21 | Xemnosyst | booooo |
| 00:27.24 | Xemnosyst | booo to you |
| 00:27.25 | Sharparam | i accidentally the wrong remote after converting svn to git :3 |
| 00:27.49 | Sharparam | apparently they have no way to stop the packager |
| 00:27.49 | foxlit | remind me not to offer git/svn. |
| 00:28.04 | Xemnosyst | unplug it! |
| 00:28.07 | Xemnosyst | that should stop it. |
| 00:28.14 | Sharparam | I'm afraid I cannot let you do that, Xemnosyst. |
| 00:28.20 | Xemnosyst | hehe |
| 00:28.41 | Sharparam | packager has never liked me |
| 00:28.56 | Xemnosyst | is that because you've always committed 50 projects at a time? |
| 00:29.04 | Sharparam | no |
| 00:29.09 | Sharparam | there was some weird bug a while ago |
| 00:29.18 | Sharparam | where it was behind 1 tag, _always_ |
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| 00:29.27 | Xemnosyst | huh. |
| 00:30.04 | VIad | 6mb addon, nice |
| 00:30.39 | VIad | Chocobo :) |
| 00:31.05 | Sharparam | maybe the packager will be finished in time for 5.4 |
| 00:32.29 | VIad | it broke? |
| 00:33.38 | Sharparam | not sure |
| 00:33.42 | VIad | Torhal: get the spanner |
| 00:33.57 | Sharparam | it hasn't finished any of the pushed tags at least |
| 00:34.55 | VIad | btw you remember the movie Conair? well why the heck does he get such long sentence when he was attacked with a knife? |
| 00:35.29 | VIad | makes no sense that someone with military background would get a ten year jailtime for killing someone, if said person came at you with a knife and you happen to have hit him harder in the head than needed :P |
| 00:35.50 | VIad | sometimes movies force stuff to happen, not always making so much sense |
| 00:37.52 | Torhal | If the nick Random wasn't already taken, VIad... |
| 00:37.57 | VIad | :D |
| 00:38.19 | VIad | sometimes I just get too much stuff to share and it gets mixed up |
| 00:41.24 | VIad | Xinhuan where are you :( |
| 00:41.55 | VIad | also Xuerian - I got some tips for your addon ;P |
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| 00:45.00 | TC-work | VIad: it explained it. |
| 00:47.05 | VIad | what are you up to TC-work? |
| 00:47.44 | TC-work | Things and stuff. |
| 00:49.39 | VIad | going to bed soon, very late |
| 00:49.53 | VIad | sad we don't chat more often |
| 00:50.27 | [Wobin] | VIad: if someone can get jailed for incrementing a website URL, I end up not being surprised at the legal system |
| 00:50.42 | VIad | incrementing a website URL? |
| 00:50.47 | [Wobin] | oh sorry |
| 00:50.49 | [Wobin] | "hacked" |
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| 00:54.29 | [Wobin] | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/att-hacker-gets-3-years/ |
| 00:55.25 | VIad | 100k profile data is a lot |
| 00:55.33 | VIad | sounds very deliberate :P |
| 00:56.08 | [Wobin] | oh it was deliberate |
| 00:56.29 | [Wobin] | but incrementing a url on a publically available site should not be a criminal offense |
| 00:56.33 | VIad | but killing someone in self defense by accident - 10 years? |
| 00:56.47 | VIad | you mean he didn't have to "login" or anything to get access? |
| 00:56.50 | [Wobin] | nope |
| 00:57.01 | VIad | if you ask me at&t should sue themselves for poor security :P |
| 00:57.08 | [Wobin] | yes |
| 00:57.55 | VIad | from one of the many direct download services, found the FTP address to a server that had no login and supported file listing - gave me access to download anything they had on their servers |
| 00:58.44 | VIad | funny how people can forget to make stuff secure :3 |
| 01:04.33 | VIad | Wobin |
| 01:05.20 | VIad | tough I can agree that doing incrementing URL should sometimes count as illegal activity, I mean, when some jerks try to find something on my webserver that I don't have, it's like snooping around your garden without touching, but looking and planning a criminal action :P |
| 01:08.28 | Neffi | A garden's there for show. If you wanted it to be invisible, it should have been planted behind a secure wall. |
| 01:08.58 | VIad | it's still illegal to plan robberies |
| 01:09.02 | VIad | even if you just "look" :P |
| 01:09.16 | Neffi | That's a grey area |
| 01:09.40 | Neffi | Hypothetically planning the ways in which I might rob a store and never doing it, I never committed a crime |
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| 01:09.55 | Neffi | At least not to the best of my knowledge in US law |
| 01:10.01 | VIad | I wouldn't say gray, there are laws saying it's illegal - and trying to access URLs and attempts to exploit security flaws, it's no longer hypothetical but practical |
| 01:10.11 | foxlit | You're such a thoughtcriminal, Neffi. |
| 01:10.30 | Neffi | But you can' |
| 01:10.41 | Neffi | 't pretend the offender has 100% of the blame in the situation |
| 01:11.08 | Neffi | Blatantly ignoring good security practices puts more of the blame on yourself than anyone else |
| 01:11.33 | VIad | I look in my server log and see an IP with different POST packets trying to do stuff with random URL's he expects to find the page he can exploit - I got plenty of practical proof if you ask me ::P |
| 01:12.08 | VIad | even if my server doesn't have the stuff the person tries to exploit, he still attempts to do something I find undesired and I feel it walks over my property |
| 01:12.14 | Neffi | If a server is connected to the internet with the intent of serving, it's more like a commercial property than a residential. If a museum chose not to secure a particularly important piece from the public, and it got damaged, should the museum not be held liable? |
| 01:12.42 | VIad | hard to make that analogy |
| 01:12.48 | VIad | as you blindly try URL's |
| 01:13.01 | VIad | like a blind man trying to find some door in the museum that leads to a treasure :P |
| 01:13.07 | Neffi | "I was looking for the bathroom" =P |
| 01:13.12 | VIad | yeah |
| 01:13.28 | Neffi | I suppose |
| 01:13.30 | VIad | bathroom in /phpmyadmin/ using exploit POST requests :P |
| 01:13.34 | Neffi | But you can' |
| 01:13.36 | Neffi | fuck |
| 01:13.56 | Neffi | But you can't be appalled at his actions if he exploits a blatant security hole |
| 01:14.12 | Neffi | If you went to no efforts to ensure he couldnt |
| 01:14.16 | VIad | but it doesn't mater if phpmyadmin even runs if you ask me |
| 01:14.31 | Torhal | But nobody did. You started the debate! |
| 01:14.32 | Torhal | cackles. |
| 01:14.46 | Semlar | they're asking to get hacked, just look at what they were wearing |
| 01:15.00 | VIad | it's the intentions that matter |
| 01:15.03 | Neffi | Well that's ridiculous |
| 01:15.10 | Torhal | always wondered why Semlar wore so many maps of Azeroth. |
| 01:15.18 | kd3 | gah. "Oh, kd3. Come over here and help out. This shouldn't take too long." |
| 01:15.18 | kd3 | 2 hours later... |
| 01:15.25 | VIad | hehe |
| 01:15.35 | Semlar | i have a map fetish |
| 01:15.51 | foxlit | want to share with us where the.... is buried? |
| 01:15.51 | VIad | Semlar: look at my map addon http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/battlepetmap/ |
| 01:16.26 | Neffi | it's beautiful |
| 01:17.05 | Semlar | man i am practically on dial up right now |
| 01:17.17 | kd3 | I _feel_ your pain |
| 01:17.18 | VIad | only the tooltips are my work |
| 01:17.19 | Semlar | how do people live like this |
| 01:17.30 | VIad | the icons are the default new POI feature in 5.3 |
| 01:17.34 | VIad | dial up? |
| 01:17.38 | VIad | what's that? |
| 01:17.38 | Torhal | Semlar: Go back to 1999 and make people jealous! |
| 01:17.38 | Neffi | 7 kB/s? |
| 01:17.48 | Semlar | it's dsl through a repeater |
| 01:18.15 | kd3 | with chemical support. only way I can stand my pathetic dsl |
| 01:18.24 | Semlar | it's actually closer to 40kB/s |
| 01:18.32 | Semlar | although it's all over the place |
| 01:19.01 | VIad | Semlar: :3 http://i.imgur.com/SBExff5.jpg |
| 01:19.06 | kd3 | oof, you're worse off than me. I max out at around 150KB/s or so |
| 01:19.09 | Semlar | ahh it's down to 10 |
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| 01:19.56 | Semlar | i'm afraid speedtest.net might knock out my internet |
| 01:20.42 | Semlar | plus i'm trying to patch the game.. this is going to take forever |
| 01:21.15 | Neffi | Wait, you're patching on a sub-100k connection? |
| 01:21.29 | Semlar | :| |
| 01:21.46 | Neffi | =( |
| 01:21.51 | Semlar | i made it to the playable stage |
| 01:22.02 | TC-work | www.speedtest.net/result/2725613923.png |
| 01:22.03 | Semlar | i think i'll let it try and finish though |
| 01:22.15 | TC-work | Finally have one that beats whats his face |
| 01:22.19 | Neffi | TC-work: Work connection? |
| 01:22.21 | TC-work | Yea |
| 01:22.29 | Semlar | you can't have a 0ms ping! |
| 01:22.33 | Neffi | cheater |
| 01:23.27 | TC-work | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2725617150.png better? |
| 01:24.17 | Neffi | "faster than 99% of US" =| |
| 01:24.35 | Neffi | I was happy with my 25/5 FiOS. Now I'm jealous. |
| 01:24.36 | Semlar | all i hear is "slower than 1% of US" |
| 01:24.54 | kd3 | you'd need an internet2 hookup to go much faster |
| 01:25.21 | Semlar | alright what if i can't get speedtest.net to actually load |
| 01:25.36 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:25.39 | TC-work | Been there, done that. |
| 01:26.37 | Semlar | alright here we go http://www.speedtest.net/result/2725621326.png |
| 01:27.01 | Neffi | dat ping |
| 01:27.06 | Semlar | it's only slower than 93% of US |
| 01:27.39 | TC-work | Well, you are using a server ~100 miles away |
| 01:27.50 | Semlar | hey, i used the suggested server |
| 01:28.19 | Semlar | actually orlando isn't even on this list |
| 01:29.11 | kd3 | http://www.speedtest.net/result/2725624642.png |
| 01:29.12 | Semlar | i blame dsl |
| 01:29.18 | kd3 | at least I'm getting what I'm (over)paying for |
| 01:32.13 | kd3 | also, yay: "Kor'kron Commanders are now non-faction specific multi-tap for all characters that attack them." |
| 01:36.29 | Primer | kd3: http://ceregatti.org/download.old/images/bw.png |
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| 01:46.03 | Semlar | any ideas why my cable modem might refuse to assign my router an ip address |
| 01:46.27 | Semlar | i can access the internet if i plug my laptop directly into the modem |
| 01:46.51 | Semlar | and i've tried two different routers |
| 01:47.22 | Primer | mac address |
| 01:47.28 | Semlar | i tried cloning the laptop's mac address |
| 01:47.30 | Primer | Some ISP are stupid |
| 01:47.37 | Primer | and they use mac address |
| 01:47.45 | Primer | Others use the hostname |
| 01:47.52 | Primer | there's a way to set that too |
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| 01:48.31 | Primer | there's nothing a router should be able to spoof |
| 01:48.46 | Primer | shouldn't that is |
| 01:48.57 | Semlar | it has ddwrt on it too |
| 01:49.35 | Primer | I hate that my ISP doesn't give me a bridge |
| 01:49.43 | Primer | they give me an actual router |
| 01:50.06 | Primer | which means I can't have a Linux box as my default gateway unless I double NAT...and while that works, I just hate that I'd have to do that |
| 01:50.42 | TC-work | The one supplied by my ISP give the ability to set one of the internal machines to the external IP |
| 01:50.48 | TC-work | rather nice. |
| 01:50.49 | Semlar | i think i need to power cycle the modem but it has a battery pack and i have no idea if i should remove it |
| 01:50.54 | TC-work | gives* |
| 01:51.21 | Semlar | plus the phone and tv are also on the same box and i don't want to break everything |
| 01:51.25 | TC-work | Semlar: why not just call support? You can read war and peace in the meantime. |
| 01:51.31 | Semlar | erg |
| 01:52.30 | Primer | it's safe to remove the battery pack |
| 01:52.31 | Semlar | i can just see trying to reset the modem and having it lose whatever information it needs to actually work |
| 01:52.37 | Primer | I did that on my old Time Warner cable modem |
| 01:52.57 | Primer | in fact, I kept it out |
| 01:53.23 | Primer | but then I also had it plugged into a UPS |
| 01:53.24 | User632 | BBU's are usually just to keep phone lines running in case of power failure. |
| 01:53.31 | Primer | yeah |
| 01:54.27 | pompy | http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-london-attack/index.html :O |
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| 02:03.28 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.32 | Primer | that's because blizz insists on using TCP for a game |
| 02:26.31 | Neffi | I doubt TCP is the reason for his ping |
| 02:26.48 | Neffi | That's a statistical outlier, not the norm. |
| 02:27.25 | Neffi | Besides, WoW's combat system is very deterministic. It's not like an FPS where you can just say "oh that one gunshot didn't go through, it's ok" |
| 02:30.49 | Eridius | Neffi: FPS's don't ignore gunshots. But they're a lot more lax about in-order packet delivery |
| 02:31.11 | Eridius | something like an MMO does care about ordering |
| 02:32.01 | Neffi | Definitely. When it's the last .1 second of a cast and you interrupt it, that interrupt should go through |
| 02:32.27 | Neffi | Anyone who's played CoD knows what it feels like when you knife first, but they get the kill |
| 02:35.09 | Semlar | they fixed my broken glyph :( |
| 02:35.36 | Semlar | it used to make my misdirection have no cooldown |
| 02:36.11 | Neffi | is 5.3 out yet? |
| 02:36.21 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:36.22 | Semlar | came out tuesday |
| 02:37.24 | Neffi | Maybe sometime in this expansion I'll start playing again |
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| 02:58.06 | bluspacecow | http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/05/21/NASA-funds-3D-food-printer-starts-with-pizza/8301369150439/ |
| 02:59.19 | TC-work | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18oidnc3yi8bwjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg |
| 03:00.44 | bleeter | bluspacecow: ftw |
| 03:01.14 | Gnarfoz | TC-work: seems accurate |
| 03:01.31 | TC-work | Gnarfoz: Yea, I was kinda sad to realize how true it is. |
| 03:02.27 | bluspacecow | steam sles nows ? |
| 03:02.41 | TC-work | Not yet, but summer should be coming soon. |
| 03:03.19 | TC-work | They may also have something for memorial day, but I am unsure. |
| 03:08.33 | bleeter | bluspacecow: printer needs moar bacon |
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| 04:05.56 | Fisker | http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msuk/en_GB/pdp/productID.277069200 <-stop me |
| 04:07.03 | Neffi | Fisker: stop |
| 04:07.12 | Fisker | you can't |
| 04:07.51 | Neffi | stops Fisker. |
| 04:16.49 | karl_w_w | starts Fisker |
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| 04:23.56 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 04:24.04 | Fisker | i could throw money after the surface pro |
| 04:24.11 | karl_w_w | despairs bluspacecow |
| 04:24.24 | bluspacecow | y no have one already fiker ? |
| 04:24.32 | bluspacecow | couldn't find someone to sex up for it ? |
| 04:25.10 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow who makes simcraft? |
| 04:25.19 | bluspacecow | i dunno lol |
| 04:25.25 | bluspacecow | goooogle it |
| 04:25.32 | bluspacecow | or searchduck for it |
| 04:27.46 | karl_w_w | also, why don't blizzard fix bugs? |
| 04:28.43 | bluspacecow | duck duck go! |
| 04:28.58 | karl_w_w | throws a goose at bluspacecow |
| 04:29.29 | bluspacecow | QUACKBOOM! |
| 04:43.14 | Semlar | but why did it explode |
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| 04:44.05 | Fisker | it's in the uk bluspacecow |
| 04:45.55 | bluspacecow | don't you live in sweden? |
| 04:45.59 | Fisker | no |
| 04:46.02 | Fisker | i live in denmark |
| 04:46.06 | Fisker | not heresy country |
| 04:46.14 | bluspacecow | oh thats right |
| 04:46.20 | bluspacecow | finland |
| 04:46.36 | bluspacecow | did the post man get lost delivering it to you ? |
| 04:47.22 | Fisker | no |
| 04:47.24 | Fisker | l2read |
| 04:47.27 | Fisker | it's in the uk |
| 04:47.42 | Fisker | if i buy it from there |
| 04:47.45 | Fisker | i get uk stuff |
| 04:51.15 | bluspacecow | oh ok |
| 04:55.25 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 04:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | looks like the hotfix fixed my error 132 on exit |
| 04:55.41 | Mr_Rabies | er, client patch thing |
| 04:56.23 | Fisker | sounds like you're mad |
| 04:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'm actually happy as heck because i was quite mad |
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| 05:05.22 | Primer | wtf patch |
| 05:05.47 | Shirik | why would you care about a 132 on exit? |
| 05:06.02 | Shirik | completely separate question |
| 05:06.07 | Shirik | why do we call it error 132 |
| 05:06.21 | Shirik | why don't we call it "access violation" or its real number 0xC0000005 |
| 05:08.36 | Shirik | for that matter, I guess, why do we call it "access violation" when it's actually "general protection fault" |
| 05:10.11 | Primer | it's a SIGSEGV! |
| 05:11.17 | Shirik | no fu |
| 05:11.42 | Shirik | #GP0 |
| 05:15.04 | bluspacecow | there's other varities of #132 then access violation. there's breakpoint ones too |
| 05:15.56 | Shirik | oh so it probably just means "unhandled exception" |
| 05:16.05 | Shirik | which leads me then to "what the hell are the other 131 errors |
| 05:16.14 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
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| 05:27.42 | karl_w_w | ok im seriously just over wow crashing |
| 05:38.55 | airtonix | then stop playing |
| 05:43.11 | karl_w_w | ooh when you open the map it puts an indicator around the player arrow |
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| 05:58.54 | Semlar | so they appear to have broken sound effects in 5.3 |
| 05:59.55 | Semlar | most of them play for about half a second before getting cut off |
| 06:01.44 | End | Semlar: MysticalOS has been having fun with that one |
| 06:02.11 | Semlar | how did they even not notice this |
| 06:02.21 | End | I dunno, Ressy said they were looking into it though |
| 06:02.34 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:03.59 | MysticalOS | it's easy to not notice in solo or small play, in fact i ran several heroic scenarios and didn't notice it until i pulled oondasta |
| 06:04.15 | MysticalOS | you need a decent amount of combat. something like raiding, and 5.3 ptr didn't test much raiding |
| 06:04.33 | MysticalOS | i understand how they missed it, i don't understand what the hell they were trying to fix in first place |
| 06:05.58 | MysticalOS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.59 | MysticalOS | lol |
| 06:08.18 | bluspacecow | apparently according to GC they were trying to tone down non boss sounds and that bug was an unitended side effect. He also said something about ducking sounds not made by the UI but dunno what hes talking of there. |
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| 06:10.20 | MysticalOS | he tweet that? |
| 06:10.25 | MysticalOS | i hadn't seen that comment yet |
| 06:11.34 | Semlar | well conveniently i play with my sound off most of the time anyway |
| 06:11.50 | Semlar | but it's quite obvious in a raid when the sounds just get cut off |
| 06:12.45 | Thunder_Child | MysticalOS: "<Ressy> GC just commented on the sound issue: "We were trying to tone down non-boss sounds. The addon sounds getting nerfed was an unintended side effect we will try to fix."" |
| 06:13.06 | Semlar | also when i ported down to the thunder king earlier he was channeling a lightning storm on the entire platform that just instantly put me in combat with him |
| 06:13.20 | MysticalOS | even if that was their intent , their code is just bad |
| 06:13.31 | MysticalOS | you can disable mods and blizzards own sounds clip |
| 06:13.32 | MysticalOS | pop |
| 06:13.37 | MysticalOS | it sounds terrible |
| 06:13.54 | MysticalOS | even reports that if yuo have music on, m usic stops during combat |
| 06:14.00 | Semlar | yeah the blizzard sounds get cut off it's not just addons |
| 06:14.03 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/337302885777944576 |
| 06:14.46 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/337333332457185281 |
| 06:15.05 | bluspacecow | yes i saw that bit about default sound UI being bugged too |
| 06:15.11 | Semlar | as a tank i could see toning down other player's spell effects because it sounds like you're in a magical blender |
| 06:17.55 | MysticalOS | what does he mean by ducked though? |
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| 06:18.10 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 06:18.23 | MysticalOS | their combat sounds are pretty obnoxious |
| 06:18.24 | End | I think it lowers the volume when something more important comes up |
| 06:18.26 | MysticalOS | especailly heals |
| 06:18.36 | End | so if a boss is making a noise everything else would be quieter maybe? |
| 06:18.37 | MysticalOS | if there was a box that explicitly said "disable heal sounds" |
| 06:18.42 | MysticalOS | i'd be soo happy |
| 06:18.54 | karl_w_w | there is just way too much noise |
| 06:19.00 | MysticalOS | i agree |
| 06:19.04 | bluspacecow | or alternatively. a duck waddling across the screen |
| 06:19.07 | MysticalOS | not just sound either |
| 06:19.08 | bluspacecow | all sounds = ducks |
| 06:19.09 | MysticalOS | spell effect noise |
| 06:19.16 | MysticalOS | and often with terrible axis priority |
| 06:19.17 | End | but whatever their intent, it just sounded more garbled mostly |
| 06:19.18 | Semlar | i'm assuming he means an actual quacking noise |
| 06:19.22 | MysticalOS | like hunter traps that COVEr sand traps on council |
| 06:19.27 | karl_w_w | the biggest benefit to playing a range over a melee is u dont have to hear it all |
| 06:19.40 | MysticalOS | yeah i imagine the intent and the quality of coding are two different things |
| 06:19.44 | Semlar | muahaha trap all the projected textures |
| 06:20.18 | airtonix | bluspacecow: you know what word i hate today? |
| 06:20.19 | MysticalOS | i mean, priest halo. |
| 06:20.29 | MysticalOS | especially on durumu |
| 06:20.40 | MysticalOS | warlock green fire |
| 06:21.52 | Neffi | Kill Command |
| 06:21.58 | Neffi | that sound is fucking infuriating |
| 06:24.27 | MysticalOS | that portal sounding thing priests do |
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| 06:24.30 | MysticalOS | fuck that sound |
| 06:24.59 | MysticalOS | it's nt just a sound it's a LOOPING sound for entirety of them having that aura |
| 06:26.59 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 06:27.03 | Semlar | inner focus ^_^ |
| 06:27.05 | Fisker | @RetroDragon We "ducked" sounds not caused by our base UI, and mods unintentionally got caught up in that. We are trying to deploy a fix. |
| 06:27.14 | Fisker | What other than mods is there? |
| 06:27.34 | Fisker | are we trying to automate glyphing or something? |
| 06:27.35 | Semlar | in-game sounds |
| 06:27.48 | Fisker | why would they duck those sounds? |
| 06:28.05 | Fisker | oh |
| 06:28.08 | Fisker | other tweet explains |
| 06:28.27 | Semlar | presumably so important boss sound effects don't get sounded over |
| 06:28.31 | Fisker | we had like the worst raid yesterday |
| 06:28.42 | Fisker | there was one guy just constantly dying |
| 06:28.46 | Fisker | "I didn't get any sound" |
| 06:29.01 | Semlar | maybe he was blind |
| 06:29.17 | Fisker | he was, but not as a physical defect |
| 06:29.23 | Semlar | we can't judge |
| 06:31.03 | Semlar | i don't play with my sound on because it interferes with rocking out |
| 06:35.27 | MysticalOS | i had no issue with addon sounds as long as blizzard sounds were off |
| 06:38.58 | Maldivia | healing sounds can get a bit out of hand... especially disc priests and divine aegis sounds tend to annoy me |
| 06:45.22 | zenzio | some sounds get repetitive no your class |
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| 06:47.54 | zenzio | I remember being fed up with the Sunder Armor+Devastate sound, and the block/parry ones |
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| 06:56.50 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=278486#post278486 |
| 06:57.09 | airtonix | hey Fisker i don't have problems with sound |
| 06:58.28 | Cairenn | dnake |
| 06:58.40 | zenzio | snaaaake |
| 06:58.51 | Cairenn | danke, even |
| 06:58.59 | Fisker | don't be german |
| 06:59.06 | Cairenn | Why not? |
| 06:59.11 | Torhal | I read that as "Duh. Nakey!" |
| 06:59.14 | Fisker | idk |
| 06:59.30 | Fisker | because you're not german? :( |
| 06:59.38 | zenzio | he's Danish, they're neighbours with Germany. No nationality ever likes their neighbours |
| 07:00.03 | nevcairiel | ESC shows there are plenty countries that like their neighbours |
| 07:00.08 | bluspacecow | talking of private servers on wowi |
| 07:00.11 | bluspacecow | that's cra cra |
| 07:00.31 | Torhal | bluspacecow: You are now talking about private se…damn you! Almost got me too! |
| 07:00.48 | bluspacecow | also |
| 07:00.53 | bluspacecow | whos naked ? |
| 07:00.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:01.08 | Fisker | poor themodder |
| 07:01.10 | zenzio | nevcairiel: ESC is politics only. You vote for your neighbours because it's not good to be on bad terms with them |
| 07:01.14 | Maldivia | bluspacecow: I'm naked under my clothes... does that count? |
| 07:01.17 | Fisker | he was like the neo of the private server addon community |
| 07:01.20 | zenzio | and everyone knows how serious business ESC is in Europe |
| 07:01.21 | bluspacecow | ….. |
| 07:01.25 | Fisker | Cairenn is agent smith |
| 07:01.33 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:01.34 | zenzio | bluspacecow: is that meant to be morse? |
| 07:01.34 | bluspacecow | shot down in a blaze of poff |
| 07:02.07 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 07:02.15 | bluspacecow | no braille |
| 07:02.50 | Torhal | Now bluspacecow is denying people the use of Braille. |
| 07:02.57 | Torhal | That guy... |
| 07:03.05 | bluspacecow | ima monster! |
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| 07:41.42 | Neffi | Off topic, but anyone else feel the new goto statements just don't fit into Lua? |
| 07:42.08 | Humbedooh | haven't really used them, to be honest |
| 07:42.24 | Torhal | Neffi: They're mainly useful as a "instead of continue" mechanism. |
| 07:43.14 | Torhal | Though, like Humbedooh, I've never used it; I don't do anything Lua-related outside of WoW. |
| 07:43.39 | Humbedooh | I do plenty of that, I'm just restricted to 5.1 at the moment ;| |
| 07:44.04 | Neffi | 5.2 feels awkward. The environment change is weird as well. |
| 07:53.51 | zenzio | I hate how being restricted to some non-newest release can be both good and bad |
| 07:54.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really interested to see what some of you lua geniuses could do in garry's mod |
| 07:55.15 | zenzio | is garry's mod multiplayer? |
| 07:56.00 | zenzio | if it is, the first thing they would probably do is make bots that try to break each other's bots, like they did on here |
| 07:59.29 | Torhal | zenzio: It is. My son finds it hysterical. |
| 08:03.17 | zenzio | I'm glad this guy necroed a two-years-dead thread to add such an insightful response... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/199131/19572 |
| 08:04.45 | Torhal | zenzio: Oh, those Intarwebz! |
| 08:04.56 | zenzio | true story |
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| 08:38.53 | karl_w_w | I've just found out the wand I have is not my best in slow because the human sword/mace specialisation works for spells which makes the healing sword my best even though it has useless spirit |
| 08:39.09 | karl_w_w | s/slow/slot/ |
| 08:42.21 | Mr_Rabies | not useless, just not super useful |
| 08:42.43 | karl_w_w | I'm a mage, it's useless :P |
| 08:42.56 | karl_w_w | but it effectively has +600 hit just because it's a sword |
| 08:50.10 | Semlar | ah, just what i need, more hit |
| 08:51.34 | karl_w_w | more hit = more chance to reforge to haste! |
| 08:51.54 | Semlar | psh, i wish that's what that meant |
| 08:52.18 | Semlar | i already have all of my hit reforged ;_; |
| 08:52.44 | Neffi | healer? |
| 08:52.56 | Semlar | clearly physical dps should just have the same hit cap as casters |
| 08:53.14 | Neffi | well they short of do if you consider in expertise |
| 08:53.24 | Semlar | and they should just remove expertise |
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| 08:53.43 | Semlar | and parry |
| 08:54.05 | Semlar | oh wait i know mobs should be able to parry spells |
| 08:54.17 | Neffi | there's a few things they "should" do in the best interest of balance, but instead they'll probably just focus on removing even more talents |
| 08:54.38 | Semlar | more buttons! |
| 08:55.03 | Neffi | that's something that got out of hand. i'd start removing spells if I were them |
| 08:55.14 | Neffi | a 90 can easily have twice as many buttons to hit as a 60 used to |
| 08:55.36 | Semlar | that's why i liked my druid for tanking so much in like.. bc and wrath |
| 08:55.50 | Semlar | it had a lot fewer buttons and i could just focus on tanking |
| 08:55.50 | Neffi | that's why I stuck w/ feral and rogue for pvp |
| 08:56.02 | Neffi | after playing warlock and hunter, it was a treat |
| 08:57.24 | Semlar | my hunter has too many buttons now |
| 08:57.30 | Semlar | it's impractical |
| 08:58.26 | Neffi | for a while it's felt less about the combat and more about the technicalities |
| 08:58.32 | Neffi | regardless of class |
| 08:58.36 | Mr_Rabies | what spec, semlar |
| 08:58.45 | Mr_Rabies | BM hunter is pretty simple |
| 08:58.46 | Semlar | pretty much all of them |
| 08:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | kill command on cd, barrage on cd, keep up serpent sting, arcane shot until lowish on focus then cobra shot back up/cobra shot to keep Serpent sting up unless you have a ton of focus |
| 08:59.51 | Semlar | i don't even have things like murder of crows bound to a key because they have relatively long cooldowns |
| 09:00.36 | Semlar | i'm not saying it's a complicated rotation |
| 09:00.54 | Semlar | i'm saying there are too many different buttons |
| 09:01.10 | Semlar | all the traps, the pet abilities and the cooldowns |
| 09:01.26 | Semlar | too much |
| 09:01.55 | Semlar | and then 3 of my talents are additional buttons |
| 09:02.08 | Mr_Rabies | swap to more passive talents i guess |
| 09:02.21 | Semlar | i would but they do less damage |
| 09:02.31 | Mr_Rabies | possibly |
| 09:02.42 | Mr_Rabies | if you're overwhelmed by buttons i don't think there'd be much difference |
| 09:02.42 | Semlar | i have thrill of the hunt and barrage in my survival spec but only because it's focused on aoe |
| 09:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | that's why the passive ones exist |
| 09:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#YaZ!102222!bgYIkS is what i use, i'm sure it's not min/max but i don't do anything more than lfr on him at the moment |
| 09:04.10 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#YaZ!201100!bgYIkS these are my talents |
| 09:05.23 | Semlar | the thing with glaive toss is it has half the cooldown of barrage so you're using it more often |
| 09:05.52 | Semlar | i'm really not sure about barrage's single target damage |
| 09:06.26 | Semlar | it's confusing because glaive toss just says it does x damage and barrage does x% of weapon damage |
| 09:06.37 | Semlar | so you can't even compare them |
| 09:08.16 | Semlar | it's not that i can't do my rotation well enough it's just that it detracts from what's going on around me |
| 09:08.34 | Semlar | i want to focus less on my abilities and more on what's going on |
| 09:10.02 | Semlar | they buffed the other spec's aoe damage but i know my marksmanship doesn't come anywhere close to my survival's aoe still |
| 09:14.40 | Mr_Rabies | hunter is designed to feel like ranged melee and that's basically what it has done |
| 09:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's not supposed to really feel much like a caster since the swap to focus, and with that comes more choice with resource spending |
| 09:15.49 | Mr_Rabies | they could trim off some abilities but it's pretty hard to find one to cut |
| 09:15.59 | airtonix | oh so you're a hunter? |
| 09:16.11 | Semlar | I MISS ASPECT OF THE VIPER |
| 09:16.29 | Semlar | and just leaving it on all the time |
| 09:16.31 | Mr_Rabies | at least you're not like a feral druid that has two buttons that do literally the same thing but one does 20% more damage but you can only use it from behind |
| 09:18.33 | Mr_Rabies | that's pretty terrible |
| 09:18.49 | Mr_Rabies | i've done some crazy macroing to get it managable |
| 09:18.55 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better i played a feral druid for a couple expansions |
| 09:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | i think they should just remove mangle and the facing requirement from shred |
| 09:21.58 | Semlar | i played a rather overpowered feral druid that could tank and switch into cat form and dps almost as well as it could in a full dps spec |
| 09:22.18 | zenzio | when was this? |
| 09:22.22 | Semlar | cataclysm |
| 09:22.28 | Neffi | lol |
| 09:22.39 | Semlar | i just tanked in basically full dps gear |
| 09:23.06 | Semlar | and i could pick up all of the tanking talents and most of the dps talents |
| 09:23.11 | zenzio | I wish there was a way to see how long you'd been in each stance/spec |
| 09:23.54 | zenzio | my warrior's essentially been prot since hitting level 60 in vanilla; rarely ever out of defensive stance |
| 09:23.55 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/slowest/simple and that character is basically frozen in time now |
| 09:24.27 | zenzio | how come? Tired of it? |
| 09:24.44 | Semlar | well my friends decided we were going to a new server |
| 09:25.02 | Semlar | so we just leveled new characters on a different server |
| 09:27.25 | Semlar | my 85s are all stuck on the old one |
| 09:29.24 | zenzio | did you roll different classes at least? |
| 09:29.46 | Semlar | sort of, i rolled my favorite class |
| 09:30.16 | Semlar | i already had one of most of the classes |
| 09:30.32 | zenzio | I'm really horrible at playing different classes in MMOs. In WoW I've only ever truly played a warrior; had a priest to... 80 I think once, disciplining and wanding my way. Also a max-level greens/blues BM hunter for farming |
| 09:30.57 | zenzio | in Anarchy Online I've only ever had a fixer past level 30ish. Same for other MMOs, although shorter-lived |
| 09:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | <Semlar> i just tanked in basically full dps gear |
| 09:31.11 | Mr_Rabies | you could really only do this once you way outleveled everything |
| 09:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | i still do that for 5 man content because i overlevel it by.... |
| 09:31.57 | zenzio | how has itemization for tanking been for druids over the last few expansions? I remember our one druid tank in BC wasn't entirely happy about it, in particular tanking weapons |
| 09:32.01 | Semlar | nah, i just realized it wasn't necessary to gem for stamina at a certain point |
| 09:32.12 | Semlar | i tried out full agility |
| 09:32.19 | Semlar | realized there was no downside |
| 09:32.25 | zenzio | say what? Don't you know stamina is directly proportional to epeen size? |
| 09:32.42 | Semlar | if i really needed more health i could swap out the trinkets to full stamina ones |
| 09:32.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but you couldn't exactly tank raids you weren't overgearing in that |
| 09:33.00 | Semlar | yes i could |
| 09:33.03 | Semlar | i swear to god |
| 09:33.04 | zenzio | (I assume the joke was obvious enough) |
| 09:33.16 | Semlar | i had no problem tanking the normal raids |
| 09:33.17 | Mr_Rabies | i tried in pretty decent gear and i always got totally stomped |
| 09:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | without some extra dodge |
| 09:33.49 | Mr_Rabies | i had to reforge everything every time |
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| 09:34.38 | Mr_Rabies | you also couldn't do good dps in a tank spec or vice versa, you could do okay at either unless you were overleveling content |
| 09:34.49 | Semlar | i outdamaged most of the raid |
| 09:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | but your healers would probably murder you |
| 09:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | now, in wrath, i'd agree |
| 09:35.15 | Semlar | when i was offtanking |
| 09:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | but cata pretty much locked out high-end tanking or dps based on gear or spec |
| 09:35.34 | Semlar | i could just switch into cat form and put my bleeds up |
| 09:35.50 | Semlar | not for feral druids |
| 09:36.11 | Semlar | you could pick up all of the feral tanking talents and still have points left over for the important dps ones |
| 09:36.14 | Mr_Rabies | i think you're misremembering something, either you or the raid overgeared content or you were swapping gear/spec |
| 09:36.48 | Semlar | we definitely didn't overgear normal DS |
| 09:36.54 | Semlar | and we cleared the entire place |
| 09:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | i could barely even tank the adds on nef/ony in BWD without reforging |
| 09:38.20 | Fisker | murders Mr_Rabies |
| 09:38.50 | Semlar | i never took any stats that didn't benefit both specs |
| 09:39.10 | Mr_Rabies | you really needed to focus in cata on one or the other or both would suffer |
| 09:39.26 | Semlar | but i was always offtanking so i could dps when i got the chance |
| 09:39.59 | Mr_Rabies | i could tank fine but i had to reforge and swap to my tank spec to stand a chance |
| 09:40.08 | Mr_Rabies | and i could dps fine but you had to drop tank talents to dps worth a damn |
| 09:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | plus utility talents like skull bash cooldown reduction, etc |
| 09:41.16 | Mr_Rabies | you had to give up those to do any kind of hybridization |
| 09:41.43 | Mr_Rabies | it was generally just a bad idea unless the content was already trivial |
| 09:42.02 | Mr_Rabies | by the end of DS i could see it being trivial for you on normal |
| 09:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | hell, heroic DS was trivial for us by the end |
| 09:42.25 | Mr_Rabies | we'd clear to DW in...an hour? |
| 09:42.28 | Semlar | this was way, way before the expansion came out |
| 09:42.37 | Semlar | i quit quite a long time before MoP |
| 09:43.18 | Mr_Rabies | i did exactly what you're talking about though to tank dungeons |
| 09:43.27 | Mr_Rabies | i was unkillable when i chain pulled |
| 09:43.39 | Elkano | Karazhan Chess solo... I hate it... |
| 09:43.55 | Mr_Rabies | because savage defense, vengeance would synergize into a unkillable state |
| 09:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | they nerfed it today, Elkano |
| 09:44.07 | Mr_Rabies | or yesterday? |
| 09:44.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's supposed to be way easier to solo now |
| 09:44.26 | Mr_Rabies | i soloed it back at 80 once but it was pure luck |
| 09:47.53 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure this was basically my spec http://db.mmo-champion.com/utils/talents/#k=-wZU-nyVF.bqj.druid.Owmbrf |
| 09:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | man that's a lot of dps talents missed :( |
| 09:53.08 | Semlar | yes, but they weren't ones that contributed a great deal |
| 09:53.23 | Semlar | and were definitely worth not picking up for what i was doing |
| 09:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | http://db.mmo-champion.com/utils/talents/#k=-bKfkmx5B.bqj.druid. |
| 09:53.58 | Mr_Rabies | that was my spec basically |
| 09:54.21 | Mr_Rabies | i forget if that's exactly it but the only change was possible one point out of something and put into nurturing instinct |
| 09:54.49 | Mr_Rabies | stampede and blood in the water were incredibly important for feral dps though |
| 09:54.54 | Semlar | essentially i tried to make a build where i could switch roles just by switching forms |
| 09:55.15 | Mr_Rabies | either the rest of your raid was way worse than you skill wise or way lower geared |
| 09:55.22 | Mr_Rabies | because those were essential for dps |
| 09:55.33 | Semlar | stampede was definitely not worth 2 points but blood in the water was useful under 25% |
| 09:55.51 | Semlar | still, they weren't critical |
| 09:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | and predatory strikes |
| 09:56.13 | Semlar | we're talking a difference of less than 5% dps between my build and a pure dps spec |
| 09:56.33 | Mr_Rabies | no way, way, way more than that |
| 09:56.44 | Semlar | i should know, i was playing it |
| 09:56.55 | Mr_Rabies | maybe with your play style |
| 09:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | that's what happened though, i only had one point in stampede |
| 09:57.28 | Mr_Rabies | http://db.mmo-champion.com/utils/talents/#k=-bKfkx5Ei.bqj.druid. |
| 09:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think that was my spec |
| 09:57.44 | Mr_Rabies | feral charging and using stampede to ravage constantly was a huge dps boost |
| 09:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | and BitW was necessary for boss fight dps |
| 09:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | my dps would ramp up and i'd easily beat the rest of our dps by 10%+ on some fights that had a long final phase |
| 09:58.22 | Mr_Rabies | where i could just patchwerk it up |
| 09:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | even our arcane mage that was excellent |
| 09:58.54 | Semlar | blood in the water was good but ferocious bite did really bad damage and refreshing rip wasn't a huge sacrifice |
| 09:59.05 | Mr_Rabies | FB was pretty damned good damage |
| 09:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | 200k+ crits :O |
| 09:59.35 | Semlar | with 5 combo points ferocious bite only did slightly more damage than a kitty backstab |
| 09:59.48 | Semlar | it sucked |
| 09:59.54 | Mr_Rabies | with enough haste you'd be using FB constantly too |
| 10:00.02 | Semlar | i didn't stack haste |
| 10:00.08 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't stack anything |
| 10:00.15 | Semlar | since haste was almost completely useless for bear form |
| 10:00.23 | Mr_Rabies | i had similar amounts of everything but hit/exp |
| 10:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | those i minimized as much as possible |
| 10:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | i still ended up basically capping by DS though |
| 10:00.50 | Mr_Rabies | since there was so much it was no longer a concern |
| 10:01.57 | Semlar | you should have seen what berserk did with 3 targets in bear form in full dps gear |
| 10:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | oh i did in 5 mans |
| 10:02.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'd chain pull so i'd never lose vengeance |
| 10:02.24 | Mr_Rabies | i still do that lol |
| 10:02.47 | Mr_Rabies | i do more dps in bear form in dungeons now since all the cat gear stacks mastery |
| 10:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | which is pretty terrible for anything that dies fast |
| 10:02.58 | Semlar | tanks all do too much damage now |
| 10:03.04 | Mr_Rabies | that's a good thing, imo |
| 10:03.17 | Semlar | well, i don't know, i don't think they should be doing more damage than dpsers |
| 10:03.24 | Semlar | it's kind of their job |
| 10:03.32 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's okay for some fights like horridon |
| 10:03.48 | Mr_Rabies | others it's pretty rare unless the dps just sucks |
| 10:03.49 | Semlar | i don't know why they nerfed the crap out of dpser's aoe damage |
| 10:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | not feral dps, lol |
| 10:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | i regularly explode to trash because i swipe spam |
| 10:04.27 | Semlar | tanks are almost always top damage on an aoe pull just because they're tanks |
| 10:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a proper guild run unless i die in a fraction of a second to trash on at least one aoe pack |
| 10:05.07 | Mr_Rabies | with ~500k dps on the meter at the time of death |
| 10:05.13 | Semlar | the only spec i can beat a tank on an aoe pull in is survival |
| 10:05.25 | Semlar | the other two have horrible aoe damage |
| 10:05.37 | Mr_Rabies | hunter aoe was weakened intentionally since you're ranged |
| 10:05.55 | Semlar | tell that to warlocks |
| 10:05.59 | Mr_Rabies | melee is supposed to do better aoe generally now since they're in the danger zone to aoe |
| 10:06.15 | Mr_Rabies | what lock aoe does a ton of damage? we like, have one lock in our 25 |
| 10:06.22 | Mr_Rabies | and had no locks in my 10 for a good 3 years |
| 10:06.28 | Mr_Rabies | hellfire i could see |
| 10:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | since it's a PBAE |
| 10:06.43 | Semlar | i had a warlock finish as 15% of the damage in a 25 man LFR earlier on primordius |
| 10:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | a channeled one, at that |
| 10:06.59 | Mr_Rabies | well he probably cheated and aoed all the bloods |
| 10:07.01 | Semlar | i was second with like 9% of the damage |
| 10:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's not real damage since that actively harms the raid |
| 10:07.32 | Semlar | although i think 44% of his damage was chaos bolt |
| 10:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | warlocks are nutso now |
| 10:07.41 | Semlar | i have a feeling he didn't even need to transform |
| 10:07.57 | Mr_Rabies | really the only reason no one plays them is because they have a million buttons |
| 10:08.08 | Mr_Rabies | but again |
| 10:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's hard to find many to cut |
| 10:08.20 | Semlar | i honestly have no idea how he finished that fight so high |
| 10:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | i did an lfr today |
| 10:08.32 | Semlar | he was doing around 210k dps |
| 10:08.51 | Mr_Rabies | where a ret pally did literally twice my dps and i was the third on dps, losing to the second one by a 5-10% margin at most |
| 10:08.53 | Semlar | and he wasn't even in normal ToT gear |
| 10:10.06 | Semlar | i should have looked him up on the armory, i don't remember what his name was |
| 10:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno what his gear was but i'm pretty sure he's in entirely ilvl 700 gear from burning crusade 2: fel reaver boogaloo |
| 10:11.05 | Semlar | it's too bad my character isn't older or i'd have valor to burn on like 530 gear |
| 10:11.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm at like, 516 ilvl or so now i think and i still regularly get stomped wholly by some people |
| 10:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | i capped my valor before 5.2 hit so i've gotten all the vp gear |
| 10:11.44 | Semlar | my hunter's only like a month and a half old |
| 10:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | coincidentally i'm now well over hit and exp cap |
| 10:11.56 | Mr_Rabies | especially hit |
| 10:11.58 | Mr_Rabies | like 3% |
| 10:12.12 | Semlar | biggest offender is the valor trinket |
| 10:12.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:12.27 | Semlar | so if you could replace that it would probably be worth it |
| 10:12.29 | Mr_Rabies | and i have the other trinket too |
| 10:12.47 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish trinket math was easier |
| 10:13.07 | Mr_Rabies | i now rely on askmrrobot since i no longer care enough to sperg about trinkets |
| 10:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | everything else is pretty obvious for us |
| 10:13.31 | Mr_Rabies | if it's natively got mastery it's probably best for the ilvl |
| 10:13.41 | Semlar | the bow off tortos is also nothing but hit and expertise |
| 10:13.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/raybeez/advanced |
| 10:14.02 | Mr_Rabies | lookit all dat hit |
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| 10:14.23 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/wyrmrest-accord/bodypull/simple |
| 10:14.43 | Semlar | boom 7.51% |
| 10:14.58 | Semlar | that won't last long though |
| 10:15.34 | Semlar | i had to replace every hybrid hit gem |
| 10:15.42 | Semlar | except one i think |
| 10:16.01 | Mr_Rabies | i replaced all my hit gems |
| 10:16.06 | Mr_Rabies | and reforged it all off |
| 10:16.09 | Mr_Rabies | that i can |
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| 10:16.26 | Mr_Rabies | yet i'm at 9.86% hit and 8.54% exp |
| 10:17.11 | Semlar | i have never even seen that trinket you have |
| 10:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | it drops from jin'rokh |
| 10:18.32 | Semlar | although that would probably just cause me to go over the expertise cap too |
| 10:18.53 | Mr_Rabies | i got the 502 boots from the 5.3 quest |
| 10:19.18 | Semlar | i'm probably going to have the boots crafted |
| 10:19.29 | Semlar | i haven't decided yet |
| 10:19.43 | Mr_Rabies | and have no use for them since they're less agi than a 496 because of no gem slot, and the secondary stats would give me even more hit/exp in place of a piece of gear with no hit/exp |
| 10:19.52 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really get gear crafted |
| 10:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | i don't pay for something i can basically get for free |
| 10:20.23 | Semlar | yeah, but it's 522 and has 2 red sockets |
| 10:20.54 | Mr_Rabies | i tend to gear faster than many in my raid and even if i don't i tend to do more dps than similarly geared players unless the fight is biased against feral dps |
| 10:21.00 | Semlar | considering you have 496 boots it's probably an upgrade |
| 10:21.20 | Semlar | even though they have more HIT on them |
| 10:21.25 | Mr_Rabies | lots of long-term aoe or not being able to shred |
| 10:21.36 | Mr_Rabies | for example |
| 10:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | we're good at bursty aoe like trash |
| 10:21.55 | Mr_Rabies | but bad at sustainted aoe like horridon |
| 10:22.00 | Mr_Rabies | sustained* |
| 10:22.15 | Semlar | i never get to aoe on horridon |
| 10:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much have to |
| 10:22.29 | Mr_Rabies | if i single target i do literally like 40k |
| 10:22.33 | Mr_Rabies | on that fight |
| 10:22.54 | Mr_Rabies | i do about 80-85k when i aoe |
| 10:22.55 | Semlar | you could stay on the boss and cheat |
| 10:23.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but we have rogues on him |
| 10:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | two rogues generally |
| 10:23.28 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm really good at interrupts |
| 10:23.29 | Semlar | everything is too spread out to really hit with multishot so any aoe damage would be pretty bad for me |
| 10:23.36 | Mr_Rabies | i'm always #1 or #2 on interrupts |
| 10:23.49 | Semlar | i interrupt the dinomancer |
| 10:23.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, our big focus is keeping grouped generally |
| 10:24.03 | Semlar | but they felt like giving hunters a ridiculous cooldown on their interrupt |
| 10:24.10 | Mr_Rabies | except we have a couple idiots that run away when they get hit on door #3 |
| 10:24.26 | Mr_Rabies | well it has a silence built in and it's ranged |
| 10:24.32 | Semlar | it's also a talent |
| 10:24.47 | Semlar | a basically mandatory talent |
| 10:24.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it's not like you're wasting a talent point on it |
| 10:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | it is dumb to make it mandatory but |
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| 10:25.38 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think they could make anything as bad as the other two talents to balance that tier out |
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| 10:25.51 | Semlar | binding shot was awesome |
| 10:25.59 | Neffi | woops |
| 10:26.00 | Semlar | but i'm pretty sure they just moved that to marksmanship |
| 10:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | though i swear i have intimidation and silencing shot on my hunter |
| 10:26.07 | Mr_Rabies | what |
| 10:26.33 | Semlar | they replaced binding shot with intimidation |
| 10:26.38 | Mr_Rabies | oh, what |
| 10:26.46 | Semlar | BM hunters no longer have their stun |
| 10:26.46 | Mr_Rabies | is binding shot baseline now then |
| 10:26.54 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't played mine since 5.3 came out |
| 10:26.56 | Semlar | binding shot is baseline for marksmanship |
| 10:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | that's an odd choice but i hear hunters are op in pvp right now |
| 10:27.16 | Semlar | and they nerfed the SHIT out of all of our pet crowd controls |
| 10:27.20 | Mr_Rabies | i really dislike using arenas for class design at all |
| 10:27.22 | Semlar | presumably for pvp purposes |
| 10:27.31 | Semlar | doubled every cooldown |
| 10:27.42 | Mr_Rabies | intimidation plus a porcupine made soloing rare spawns ridiculously easy |
| 10:27.50 | Semlar | also removed the 30% cooldown reduction for bm hunters |
| 10:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | i really dislike arenas in general tbh |
| 10:28.19 | Mr_Rabies | they're one of a few features tbc added that i could do without |
| 10:28.33 | Semlar | i dislike pvp nerfs affecting everything else |
| 10:28.46 | Semlar | i have nothing against pvp |
| 10:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | also among them: flying mounts, daily quests |
| 10:28.55 | Mr_Rabies | i love pvp, but arenas don't feel like pvp to me |
| 10:29.10 | Mr_Rabies | they feel like stacking bullshit as much as the game allows |
| 10:29.23 | Semlar | arenas make you really learn your class |
| 10:29.29 | Mr_Rabies | and getting the most out of whatever bullshit you can stack for as long as you can until the nerfbat swings that way |
| 10:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | and hurts people who just wanna kill dragons |
| 10:30.02 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner wish they'd just balance for rbgs and stop really caring about arenas |
| 10:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | or have larger arenas with 7v7 or 10v10 plus even more base resil and more complex maps |
| 10:31.39 | Mr_Rabies | how many team deathmatch games have healers that can heal themselves quickly AND the rest of the team |
| 10:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | TF2 has medics but they rely on map health to heal themselves generally |
| 10:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | or just base heal over time |
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| 10:36.33 | Semlar | they made it so i no longer have no cooldown on my misdirect |
| 10:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | i can't tell if i should read that as a double negative or not |
| 10:37.46 | Semlar | one of the glyphs was bugged and made it reset your misdirection cooldown every time you cast it |
| 10:38.09 | Mr_Rabies | lol what |
| 10:38.12 | Mr_Rabies | i know it did that with your pet |
| 10:38.14 | Semlar | so i had just gotten in the habit of casting misdirection constantly |
| 10:38.28 | Mr_Rabies | i macro mine in with arcane shot |
| 10:38.39 | Semlar | the minor glyph that made your misdirect target larger also basically removed its cooldown |
| 10:38.39 | Mr_Rabies | and then forget to focus the tank pretty much every time |
| 10:38.46 | Semlar | obviously unintentionally |
| 10:38.47 | Mr_Rabies | so i end up MDing to my pet for most instances |
| 10:38.48 | zenzio | the bug must have been difficult to debug, since they kept being misdirected |
| 10:39.08 | Semlar | it had been bugged for months |
| 10:39.22 | Semlar | which i'm okay with |
| 10:39.30 | Semlar | it was an awesome bug |
| 10:40.17 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really like bugs like that, i tend to never take advantage of them because i know their time is limited |
| 10:40.49 | zenzio | same |
| 10:40.52 | Semlar | frankly i don't think misdrect should have a 30 second cooldown |
| 10:40.58 | zenzio | also because I just don't feel it's right |
| 10:41.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think MD's threat should just last 30 seconds |
| 10:41.48 | Mr_Rabies | with a 30 sec cd |
| 10:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | or at least 15+ seconds |
| 10:42.10 | Semlar | in my defense, i didn't know it was bugged, i just wanted MD to make my target bigger |
| 10:42.33 | Semlar | nobody i talked to about it knew it was bugged either |
| 10:42.42 | Semlar | they had no idea what i was talking about |
| 10:43.17 | Mr_Rabies | hunter glyphs are kind of a mess |
| 10:43.23 | Mr_Rabies | so many of them do basically nothing |
| 10:43.24 | zenzio | wasn't accusing you |
| 10:43.24 | Semlar | misdirection's threat already does only last 30 seconds |
| 10:43.32 | Mr_Rabies | i thought it only lasted 6 sec |
| 10:43.37 | Semlar | oh |
| 10:43.41 | Semlar | you mean the whole buff |
| 10:43.58 | Semlar | yeah, hunter's should just permanently misdirect their threat to a given target |
| 10:44.03 | Mr_Rabies | oh hrm |
| 10:44.31 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno i guess i misread the tooltip (also it's 4 seconds) |
| 10:44.33 | Mr_Rabies | The current party or raid member targeted will receive the threat caused by your next damaging attack and all actions taken for 4 sec afterwards. Transferred threat is not permanent, and will fade after 30 sec. |
| 10:44.57 | Mr_Rabies | i was thinking it snapshotted your threat for 6 seconds then transferred it for 6 more or something |
| 10:45.04 | Semlar | nah |
| 10:45.09 | Mr_Rabies | i honestly don't even see a reason for MD in most fights |
| 10:45.16 | Semlar | it gives you a 4 second window to redirect threat |
| 10:45.25 | Semlar | and that threat only lasts 30 seconds |
| 10:45.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's just a cover for laziness most of the time in my practice |
| 10:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | hunters natively produce so little threat |
| 10:45.57 | Semlar | even with no cooldown on misdirect i couldn't keep up with horridon |
| 10:46.14 | Semlar | just too many adds |
| 10:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | i can be doing 70% of a hunter's dps on a mob and still have threat |
| 10:46.33 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even understand |
| 10:46.40 | Mr_Rabies | even if he's not MDing/FDing |
| 10:46.57 | Mr_Rabies | with me in dps spec |
| 10:47.01 | Mr_Rabies | and cat form |
| 10:47.07 | Semlar | well part of his damage is from his pet |
| 10:47.12 | Mr_Rabies | cat dps seems to generate a ridiculous amount of threat |
| 10:47.16 | Mr_Rabies | i guess that's true |
| 10:47.20 | Semlar | if he's BM he won't do any threat |
| 10:47.38 | Semlar | pets are a much larger portion of BM hunter's damage |
| 10:47.41 | Mr_Rabies | shaman dps seems to be ridiculously reliant on their elemental nowadays |
| 10:47.46 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno which spec, i guess elemental |
| 10:48.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a lazy playstyle unless you're actively directing the pet like kill command, etc |
| 10:48.32 | Semlar | i wish i could sacrifice my pet for a buff |
| 10:48.34 | Semlar | i do not want a pet |
| 10:48.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably redo BM if i were in charge |
| 10:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'd make it a tank spec |
| 10:49.03 | Semlar | i can't rely on the damn thing not to despawn or just stand there in the middle of a fight doing nothing |
| 10:49.14 | Mr_Rabies | wherein you control your pet (possibly just as a cooldown) and your character basically goes on autopilot |
| 10:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | like eyes of the beast but for combat |
| 10:49.37 | Semlar | although they did just change blink strike to give your pet shadowstep |
| 10:50.32 | Mr_Rabies | kinda like the pokemon trainer from smash bros |
| 10:50.34 | Semlar | i think murder of crows should be changed to a passive |
| 10:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | or like |
| 10:50.56 | Semlar | and just have it dot anything you attack |
| 10:51.11 | Mr_Rabies | your arcane shots and multishot have a 20% chance to cause the target to be swarmed by crows |
| 10:51.33 | Mr_Rabies | do less damage per thing or make the proc per minute thing about the same |
| 10:52.34 | Semlar | the only thing it has going for it is the fact that its cooldown gets reset by readiness |
| 10:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | i like lynx rush though it is really week on aoe |
| 10:53.03 | Mr_Rabies | weak |
| 10:53.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm getting tired |
| 10:53.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's 7am |
| 10:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 10:53.12 | Semlar | can your pet autocast it |
| 10:53.25 | Mr_Rabies | i thiiiiink it requires a GCD |
| 10:53.28 | Semlar | i think that entire tier should be passive |
| 10:53.28 | Mr_Rabies | but i can't remember |
| 10:53.58 | Semlar | the crows should follow the hunter around |
| 10:54.05 | Semlar | like the shadow priest thing |
| 10:54.10 | Semlar | or maybe that was a mob |
| 10:54.26 | Mr_Rabies | or like, your hunters mark now attracts crows to the target |
| 10:54.31 | Mr_Rabies | when in combat |
| 10:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | not constantly but make it a proc |
| 10:56.33 | Semlar | i also hate the fact that deterrence makes it so we can't attack |
| 10:56.59 | Semlar | that really hurts its usefulness in certain fights |
| 10:57.32 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much never use it |
| 10:57.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm bad at long cooldowns |
| 10:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | especially defensive ones |
| 10:57.48 | Semlar | it's 1 minute if you have the talent |
| 10:58.08 | Mr_Rabies | man, i was thinking it had like a 6 min cd for some reason |
| 10:58.09 | Semlar | it's a really good defensive cooldown |
| 10:58.12 | Mr_Rabies | that's how often i use it |
| 10:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really see much use since i'm at range generally |
| 10:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | dodging stuff is so much easier that i don't really ever take much damage |
| 10:58.58 | Semlar | almost every fight has something where you're going to take damage |
| 10:59.18 | Semlar | on jin'rokh you can use it when you're about to get hit by the lightning balls |
| 10:59.30 | Mr_Rabies | that's also part of why i have spirit bond |
| 10:59.39 | Mr_Rabies | my health is constantly ticking up at a pretty healthy rate |
| 10:59.49 | Semlar | well, on LFR everything does a lot less damage |
| 10:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | so even small damage stuff just gets nullified pretty quickly |
| 10:59.57 | Semlar | but on normal you see more use for deterrence |
| 11:00.15 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i think it's just a nice bonus to make healers' lives easier |
| 11:00.53 | Semlar | i use aspect of the iron hawk unless i'm not going to be getting any heals |
| 11:01.03 | Semlar | spirit bond is good when you have no source of healing |
| 11:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'm used to getting constantly spammed with damage at close range and not being able to see anything because i'm so close |
| 11:01.29 | Mr_Rabies | so when i'm at range it's like taking the weights off |
| 11:01.33 | Semlar | but spirit bond takes 15 seconds to return 15% of your health |
| 11:01.44 | Semlar | technically 16 |
| 11:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, most healers jump the gun so much since it's a rare mechanic |
| 11:02.07 | Semlar | a flat 15% damage reduction at all times can be more useful in a raid |
| 11:02.28 | Semlar | it can also sometimes keep you from dying |
| 11:02.49 | Mr_Rabies | even hots are kinda useless in many raids |
| 11:03.03 | Mr_Rabies | other than on tanks |
| 11:03.15 | Mr_Rabies | since healers tend to cover them up with direct heals as soon as possible |
| 11:03.55 | Mr_Rabies | most healers are just playing whack a mole |
| 11:04.25 | Mr_Rabies | even if the mole's gonna get counted as hit in a few seconds they'd rather do it instantly even at the cost of their mana pool |
| 11:04.33 | Semlar | does bestial wrath still break you out of crowd controls |
| 11:04.58 | Semlar | the tooltip says it only affects your pet |
| 11:05.30 | Semlar | oh i guess that's from the beast within |
| 11:05.36 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34692 i think |
| 11:05.36 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 11:05.40 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 11:05.43 | Mr_Rabies | now it does that? |
| 11:05.45 | Mr_Rabies | i guess? |
| 11:06.06 | Semlar | bestial wrath got a huge nerf |
| 11:06.17 | Semlar | it breaks crowd control effects |
| 11:06.24 | Semlar | it doesn't make you immune to them any more |
| 11:06.52 | Mr_Rabies | i had a hunter in vanilla and BW was pretty much ridiculous then |
| 11:07.09 | Mr_Rabies | giant red cats fucking everywhere that hated everything forever |
| 11:07.18 | Mr_Rabies | broken tooth rolling up on you and almost soloing you |
| 11:08.03 | Mr_Rabies | i remade one for cata since i had so much fun on mine |
| 11:08.09 | Mr_Rabies | in vanilla |
| 11:09.02 | Mr_Rabies | my old chars have some really neato unobtainable gear now |
| 11:09.26 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/cho'gall/yaranaika/advanced |
| 11:09.52 | Semlar | you can get lookalike gear from the darkmoon faire though |
| 11:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 11:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | i played him for about 5 minutes in tbc later on |
| 11:10.23 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/dentarg/semlar/simple |
| 11:10.28 | Mr_Rabies | hence a couple quest rewards from tbc |
| 11:10.40 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/cho'gall/seibar/advanced |
| 11:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | i originally had a rockbiter weapon on there from like 2005 in cata |
| 11:11.04 | Mr_Rabies | it finally got removed |
| 11:11.32 | Semlar | i have one or two honorable kills on my shaman |
| 11:12.16 | Mr_Rabies | that one has about 1500 |
| 11:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | hehe |
| 11:12.19 | Mr_Rabies | i was a beast in pvp |
| 11:12.36 | Mr_Rabies | i could oneshot most people around my level |
| 11:12.41 | Mr_Rabies | if windfury proced properly |
| 11:14.13 | Mr_Rabies | i love how all of them look like they've been transmogged because for some reason that's how vanilla gear seemed to work |
| 11:14.15 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/cho'gall/skwisgaar/advanced |
| 11:14.37 | Mr_Rabies | then tbc hit and until you got tier gear everything was clashing hideous bright colors |
| 11:15.44 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish the tier gear would compliment itself no matter the difficulty |
| 11:15.53 | Mr_Rabies | they should just do like the pvp gear sometimes is |
| 11:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | have the lfr gear be more basic, the normal slightly more complex, and the heroic even moreso |
| 11:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | the pvp gear did that at one point with different seasons |
| 11:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | i think wrath, i dunno about later |
| 11:16.47 | Mr_Rabies | it'd be basically the same set but have more stuff on it with later seasons |
| 11:17.59 | Semlar | alright i'm goin to sleep |
| 11:18.02 | Semlar | zz |
| 11:18.02 | Mr_Rabies | ok beddin |
| 11:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 11:18.13 | Mr_Rabies | Time: 7:18:07 AM EST on Thursday, May 23, 2013 |
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| 11:52.38 | karl_w_w | yesss, more out of memory bugs |
| 11:52.56 | karl_w_w | working as intended! |
| 11:56.51 | zenzio | out of memory where? WoW? |
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| 12:02.21 | VIad | when displaying GameTooltip all you need is SetOwner and a SetPoint right? |
| 12:02.39 | VIad | using the SetOwner with ANCHOR_NONE then SetPoint to place it somewhere |
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| 12:18.42 | bluspacecow | @karl_w_w Nooooooooooo wow memory for you ! Denied! |
| 12:18.46 | bluspacecow | Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenied! |
| 12:18.46 | VIad | :( |
| 12:18.51 | VIad | what do you mean? |
| 12:18.52 | VIad | out of memory? |
| 12:18.56 | VIad | use wow64 |
| 12:18.58 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 12:19.01 | VIad | like endless memory space? |
| 12:19.08 | bluspacecow | karl_w_w: yesss, more out of memory bugs |
| 12:19.15 | bluspacecow | karl_w_w: working as intended! |
| 12:19.20 | VIad | using wow64 and 1GB+ of ram |
| 12:19.30 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 12:19.41 | bluspacecow | use wow128 |
| 12:19.43 | bluspacecow | and use |
| 12:19.47 | VIad | :P |
| 12:19.48 | bluspacecow | 1000000 + of ram |
| 12:23.07 | bluspacecow | 1.84467440737096E19 * the bits |
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| 12:32.11 | zenzio | zomg peppy! |
| 12:36.47 | Lopeppeppy | ZOMG! Did I miss the Zombiepocalypso? |
| 12:37.18 | VIad | anyone using battlepettabs? |
| 12:37.27 | VIad | anyone even playing the pet battle system? :P |
| 12:39.25 | zenzio | I imagine this will have been posted before, but it gave me a good laugh... I've not even played the game, but I can imagine what it's like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oN-s9-T6sr8#! |
| 12:42.24 | karl_w_w | yes zenzio |
| 12:43.38 | karl_w_w | I'm not out of memory, which is why it's a bug. And even if I was out of memory wow shouldn't crash as a consequence |
| 12:44.37 | zenzio | I assume by "I am not out of memory" you mean that WoW has not reached the memory address space limit? |
| 12:45.20 | karl_w_w | I mean that I still have system memory unused |
| 12:45.43 | karl_w_w | and wow hasn't been above ~1.5gb when it's happened |
| 12:45.49 | bluspacecow | Peppy Peppy Peppy |
| 12:46.48 | zenzio | karl_w_w: applications can run out of memory before the OS, but in this case you clearly know what you're talking about. Most peculiar bug |
| 12:47.27 | nevcairiel | if you're truely out of memory, applications will most likely just crash |
| 12:47.55 | nevcairiel | if you're lucky, they shut down gracefully |
| 12:48.06 | nevcairiel | but they stop working no matter what =P |
| 12:48.14 | bluspacecow | this is the wow client |
| 12:48.16 | bluspacecow | :P |
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| 13:07.16 | bluspacecow | http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/05/marine-unit-forced-back-from-sea-deployment-after-encountering-biological-weapon/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+duffelblog+%28The+Duffel+Blog%29 |
| 13:07.19 | bluspacecow | wat |
| 13:07.32 | bluspacecow | grrrr feedburner crap on the URL |
| 13:08.35 | bluspacecow | NSFW text |
| 13:08.36 | bluspacecow | soz |
| 13:09.30 | Kalroth | boobies? |
| 13:10.36 | haste | where?! |
| 13:10.58 | Kalroth | im not allowed to link boobies in here, sorry |
| 13:11.25 | haste | tease :( |
| 13:14.33 | karl_w_w | that's not true, if you run out of memory windows should use the page file and if that fills up windows will throw an error |
| 13:30.28 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/boobies.jpg |
| 13:31.20 | haste | too expected |
| 13:32.14 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: that depends if windows runs out of memory, or the application runs out of memory space |
| 13:32.36 | nevcairiel | cant go above 2gb in most 32-bit applications, even with pagefile =p |
| 13:33.03 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/dancingboobies.gif |
| 13:34.06 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/Bouncing_Tits.gif |
| 13:34.12 | bleeter | haste: always expect the expected |
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| 13:38.12 | zenzio | I suspect those links will prove disappointing |
| 13:38.25 | nevcairiel | unless you like blue-feeted birds |
| 13:38.47 | mitch0 | eh: http://files.myopera.com/Garion/files/DeathOfAFriend.png |
| 13:39.01 | zenzio | ? |
| 13:39.36 | mitch0 | well, opera is going the way of the dodo. you're probably not affected, sorry for the noise |
| 13:40.11 | nevcairiel | i thought they are just switching to webkit |
| 13:40.15 | zenzio | I'm not sure I understand. From what I heard a little while ago, they were going webkit, but also still focusing hard on their mobile stuff |
| 13:40.28 | zenzio | Opera Mini or whatever it's called is supposedly a big success |
| 13:40.30 | mitch0 | yeah, their "focus" just got released |
| 13:40.54 | mitch0 | took me 2 hours to restore my previous version with my bookmarks and stuff :( |
| 13:41.12 | mitch0 | the new webkit-based mobile opera is utter crap |
| 13:41.28 | mitch0 | and I don't have high-hopes for the desktop version after this :( |
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| 13:46.25 | VIad | I have nothing against opera, I just dislike the fact that there are more engines than there should be, making it messy to make pages to look uniform across all those |
| 13:47.21 | zenzio | eh, yes and no... barring minor things, Opera, Firefox, Chrome and Safari typically gave very similar results |
| 13:47.57 | VIad | typically yeah |
| 13:48.15 | VIad | once I had firefox and chrome show pretty much the same, then came opera and the page was messed up really bad :P |
| 13:48.38 | VIad | had to make opera exclusive css hack to ignore the rule that messed it up hehe |
| 13:48.52 | zenzio | interesting... was this long ago or recent? |
| 13:48.55 | mitch0 | right now play.google.com only works in chrome... fuck that |
| 13:48.58 | VIad | like february ish |
| 13:49.12 | VIad | works for my firefox, mitch0 |
| 13:49.24 | mitch0 | try clicking on "write review" |
| 13:49.29 | mitch0 | or whatsitscalled |
| 13:50.04 | mitch0 | "Write a Review" |
| 13:50.22 | bleeter | reviews Fisker |
| 13:50.23 | zenzio | I don't see the link |
| 13:50.28 | VIad | works for me mitch0 |
| 13:50.39 | VIad | it's under "user reviews" tab |
| 13:50.54 | zenzio | oh, not on the front page |
| 13:51.08 | mitch0 | search for an app, and there |
| 13:51.10 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/Qhepb0E.jpg |
| 13:51.26 | VIad | that button? |
| 13:51.33 | VIad | didn't find any other "write a review" buttons |
| 13:51.43 | smcn | woo getall auction scan works again |
| 13:52.15 | mitch0 | viad: on the "overview" page there should be one under the video / screenshots |
| 13:52.40 | VIad | ah yes |
| 13:52.43 | VIad | that one works too |
| 13:52.56 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/qYszPLQ.jpg |
| 13:52.57 | mitch0 | stupid shit's in hungarian now though... |
| 13:54.01 | mitch0 | well, here the whole page is frozen... can't even change tabs there (the user-reviews, etc) |
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| 13:54.50 | VIad | you sure it's a firefox issue at all? |
| 13:55.16 | VIad | many factors that can affect performance and content on pages |
| 13:55.33 | mitch0 | yeah, could be something else. but it does work in chrome(ium) |
| 13:56.35 | mitch0 | actually, it could be related to me not being logged-in in chromium... |
| 13:57.13 | mitch0 | nope. still no worky |
| 13:57.36 | VIad | :( |
| 13:57.38 | mitch0 | VIad: does it work for you on this page? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opera.browser&feature=search_result |
| 13:57.49 | VIad | yes |
| 13:58.03 | VIad | want me to cuss and rate low on your behalf? |
| 13:58.06 | mitch0 | *shrug* |
| 13:58.13 | VIad | try using internet explorer |
| 13:58.21 | mitch0 | yeah... |
| 13:58.30 | mitch0 | rather not start the VM for this |
| 13:58.57 | karl_w_w | so when instance servers go down for restart: get spammed with "internal calendar error" pop ups |
| 14:00.48 | VIad | mitch0: |
| 14:00.51 | VIad | IE11 owns |
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| 14:01.34 | VIad | wait 10 is the latest, lemme rephrase: IE10 owns |
| 14:03.11 | VIad | btw funny how browsers say "html5 supported" but go to http://html5test.com/ and you suddenly realize not all html5 features are implemented :P |
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| 14:03.55 | nevcairiel | html5 is also not a finished standard, its hard to hit a moving target, even for browsers that really try |
| 14:13.19 | Stanzilla | also IE11 is a thing, VIad |
| 14:13.24 | Stanzilla | 8.1 has it |
| 14:13.28 | Stanzilla | win 8.1 that is |
| 14:15.57 | Maldivia | VIad: HTML5 has become a buzzword :/ |
| 14:16.20 | Kalroth | web 2.0 |
| 14:16.21 | Kalroth | yo |
| 14:17.03 | Kalroth | cloud syncronization teamwork integration over extended possiblities and scalability |
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| 15:02.02 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14100-AudioXII.html#comments |
| 15:02.05 | bluspacecow | O_o |
| 15:02.37 | bluspacecow | he's not listed as a maintainer or author on the project AFAIK |
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| 15:43.43 | karl_w_w | anyone done twin consorts on normal and wanna give me a quick rundwon of differences for a range dps to lfr? :P |
| 15:45.56 | karl_w_w | guess i'll just shadow this lock |
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| 16:01.08 | durcyn | karl_w_w: don't stand too close, you'll splash other people |
| 16:02.13 | karl_w_w | was pretty easy |
| 16:02.19 | karl_w_w | 2 people died and we still did it |
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| 16:48.29 | karl_w_w | sad things: I haven't killed lei shen on normal before, but even when I do he has no upgrades for me |
| 16:48.38 | karl_w_w | 3 cheers for terrible loot tables! |
| 16:59.07 | smcn | it's kind of nice if you only do lfr, makes him an optional boss |
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| 17:07.25 | karl_w_w | unless you want valor/legendary quest drops |
| 17:10.15 | smcn | thankfully this week i managed to get it done on tuesday when all the "real" raiders are queueing up |
| 17:10.30 | smcn | so we just one-shot everything except qon because of despawn |
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| 17:36.03 | Kraps | to uninstall wow you just delete the folder? |
| 17:36.15 | smcn | yep |
| 17:36.55 | Kraps | ok |
| 17:43.09 | Sharparam | Kraps: one does nto simply uninstall wow |
| 17:43.14 | Sharparam | not* |
| 17:43.28 | Sharparam | looks like the packager gave up on my addon... :D |
| 17:43.30 | Kraps | woops too late |
| 17:43.43 | Sharparam | "Packager status: No data available" |
| 17:46.31 | Sharparam | re-pushed (with ONE tag this time) |
| 17:46.34 | Sharparam | hopefully it works now |
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| 18:04.41 | TC-work | http://www.openculture.com/2012/02/peter_sellers_reads_the_beatles_she_loves_you_in_four_voices.html |
| 18:09.03 | p3lim | I've recently noticed that if the current font can't display the character, wow defaults to a font that does |
| 18:09.10 | p3lim | In the chat that is |
| 18:10.03 | p3lim | Example: http://i.imgur.com/8jshL7V.png |
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| 18:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it swaps to a unicode font |
| 18:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | that doesn't math at all |
| 18:17.13 | Mr_Rabies | match* |
| 18:22.07 | karl_w_w | shame u can't detect when it swaps |
| 18:22.23 | karl_w_w | cos on my realm when it swaps it's always a gold spammer :P |
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| 18:49.58 | Semlar | karl_w_w: couldn't you just search for characters outside the range of what the normal font will display |
| 18:51.45 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure lua will let you match something like [^\128-191] |
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| 18:52.00 | Semlar | \191 |
| 18:53.15 | Semlar | oh that's not even the correct range, but whatever the range is |
| 18:53.51 | Semlar | you should be able to check if the message contains a character outside the normal range |
| 18:54.11 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed|Away: hmm, Damn Achievement Spam seems to not work anymore right now ;o messages don't get merged |
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| 19:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | classic factions should have the MoP championing system added :( |
| 19:18.58 | zenzelezz | haven't they essentially had new, different championing systems in every expansion? |
| 19:21.07 | Mr_Rabies | i mean classic classic :p |
| 19:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | though the only factions i lack are the ones for insane in the membrane so i guess it's not a big deal |
| 19:22.05 | Mr_Rabies | and zandalari but yeah :X |
| 19:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | kinda understandable that i couldn't get rep with them anymore considering i've killed so many in the past few expansions |
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| 21:05.12 | alestane | Geeks on parade: http://io9.com/man-builds-induction-powered-led-engagement-ring-wins-509501196 |
| 21:07.00 | Cairenn | Okay, that rocks |
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| 21:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | let me know when someone makes a ring like the one in Zardoz |
| 21:21.25 | Torhal | What Cairenn really wants, though, is a collar that will turn her head into a scary white ball of light whenever someone attempts to videotape/photograph her. |
| 21:21.36 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:21.37 | Cairenn | no |
| 21:21.37 | Thunder_Child | and ass |
| 21:21.42 | Torhal | lol |
| 21:22.07 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i'm sure that's entirely possible |
| 21:22.07 | Cairenn | I presume you guys have also seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xogheZdAO18 |
| 21:22.30 | Thunder_Child | actually, compression based leather boots that would light up when you walk would be more up her alley.... |
| 21:22.33 | Mr_Rabies | a hat attachment that blasts IR when it detects a flash |
| 21:22.57 | Cairenn | well, only if it could be done tastefully |
| 21:23.34 | Cairenn | This is pretty freaking awesome too: http://io9.com/5907849/this-guy-hand+forged-his-own-wedding-ring-out-of-a-meteorite |
| 21:26.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not a big fan of jewelry but i'd probably occasionally wear a really classy lantern ring |
| 21:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe a lot and rock an emerald twilight pose |
| 21:27.14 | Mr_Rabies | http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/5/56044/1705513-green_lantern__1990_2nd_series__049.jpeg |
| 21:28.15 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 21:48.19 | Thunder_Child | I think nvidia is going to shoot themselves in the foot coming out with cards so fast |
| 21:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | hasn't it been well over a year since the 680s came out? |
| 21:50.42 | Thunder_Child | then the 690 |
| 21:50.45 | Thunder_Child | then the titan |
| 21:50.49 | Thunder_Child | then the 780 |
| 21:51.00 | Thunder_Child | and the 780 ~= titan |
| 21:51.08 | Kalroth | 780 is titan mini |
| 21:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | those are just crazy versions of the 600 series, though |
| 21:51.20 | Mr_Rabies | nvidia always does that |
| 21:51.21 | Kalroth | it's 15% slower than titan, but 20% faster than 680 |
| 21:51.23 | Kalroth | or something |
| 21:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | releases a few levels of the current series, beginner, medium, enthusiast, maybe a crazy version |
| 21:52.09 | MysticalOS | yeah they are just buffed up keplar chips, in reality they are 600 series architecture |
| 21:52.12 | Mr_Rabies | then a few months later one that's basically a single-port SLI card and another rich enthusiast version |
| 21:52.17 | Mr_Rabies | then one only bill gates can buy |
| 21:52.25 | Mr_Rabies | and then the new generation comes out |
| 21:54.55 | Semlar | does anyone know how much it improves your chances every time you don't win a bonus roll |
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| 22:01.44 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 22:01.52 | Mr_Rabies | i want to build my htpc but i can't get the info i need |
| 22:02.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'm having a hell of a time finding any kind of minimum hardware requirement for playing 1080p h264 with 10 bit color |
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| 22:27.57 | pompy | Cairenn: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill |
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| 22:44.36 | VIad | Cairenn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22325-409003.html#comments |
| 22:44.39 | VIad | spam bots |
| 22:45.27 | Humbedooh | yawns at VIad |
| 22:45.39 | VIad | :P |
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| 22:52.28 | Torhal | tasks Humbedooh with rewriting VIad's name. |
| 22:52.45 | Humbedooh | too busy, filling out super secret forms! |
| 22:52.50 | VIad | sorry but Vlad is taken and Vladinator is not my wowui name anymore :( |
| 22:53.09 | Humbedooh | :( |
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| 23:44.30 | Torhal | Dafuq? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG-ORLkMiyY&feature=youtu.be |
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| 23:48.12 | kd3 | hm |
| 23:48.18 | kd3 | "IBM Opportunity!!Work From Home!!" |
| 23:48.55 | kd3 | "Urgent Requirement of Systems Administrator Linux. Kindly revert if you are interested or you can also reach me on my contact # -snip-" |
| 23:49.18 | kd3 | interesting, doubt it's real |
| 23:52.17 | Semlar | kindly reverts |
| 23:53.24 | VIad | fake :P |
| 23:53.40 | VIad | Torhal: was meant for you :P |
