| 00:03.39 | Gnarfoz | Flash has performance benefits? |
| 00:04.14 | kd3 | if your scale's inverted, sure. why not? |
| 00:04.55 | Gnarfoz | well... |
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| 00:16.48 | kd3 | oh, fuck... that elementary school |
| 00:19.09 | Tuller | wishes pet battle buttons had names |
| 00:41.15 | pompy | ya kd3 it's done some insane damage. |
| 00:50.54 | pompy | damn happened around the same time in 2010 >< http://velijohnug.blogspot.com/2010/05/oklahoma-tornado-outbreak-video-may-10.html |
| 00:51.02 | pompy | http://tribune.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/tornado.jpg |
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| 01:15.31 | kd3 | that latter one was not from today |
| 01:15.35 | kd3 | https://tineye.com/search/764190029dfc96608c87350a568b323cae538809/ |
| 01:16.08 | A-KO | christ |
| 01:17.57 | TC-work | we prefer tineye to google image search? |
| 01:18.03 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/wCJxodt.jpg < on reddit |
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| 02:25.26 | pompy | yeah i know kd3! it was in that article |
| 02:31.20 | pompy | never living in the midwest! |
| 02:31.50 | whyzerman | rofl where you going to live then? |
| 02:32.00 | pompy | east coast? ;) |
| 02:32.10 | pompy | where i am now! |
| 02:32.15 | whyzerman | the south has hurricanes, the east has hurricanes or blizzards, the west has earthquakes or volcanoes |
| 02:32.49 | pompy | yeah whyzerman i got hit by hurricane sandy |
| 02:33.50 | whyzerman | at least in a tornado you have a better chance of coming out of it dry - with a hurricane you have the damage from wind, you've got the water damage from the rain/flooding |
| 02:34.15 | whyzerman | not to mention tornadoes dont last as long |
| 02:36.42 | Arrowmaster | here in ohio we just have completely fucked up seasons |
| 02:43.30 | pompy | very true |
| 02:44.05 | Adys | Anyone here got IE10? |
| 03:02.54 | kd3 | welp. 3k vp ready to burn tomorrow afternoon |
| 03:10.23 | kd3 | a timelapse of the okc tornado. holy fuck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_6HKu9xV55g |
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| 03:14.06 | pompy | .. lol http://pizza.gg/ |
| 03:37.40 | Thunder_Child | interesting |
| 03:37.48 | Thunder_Child | they are going after the right market |
| 03:41.25 | Shirik | kd3: And the reason they left the sound in was....? |
| 03:41.48 | kd3 | eh, don't look at me |
| 04:09.38 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 04:09.48 | Fisker | i don't hate you |
| 04:09.57 | whyzerman | ^ liar |
| 04:10.09 | Fisker | no! |
| 04:13.40 | pompy | Thunder_Child: never heard of a .gg tld |
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| 04:19.24 | Thunder_Child | pompy: it was part of the recient sales. |
| 04:22.36 | Fisker | recient? |
| 04:25.13 | Thunder_Child | recent* |
| 04:28.10 | Fisker | you mean the tld sales? |
| 04:28.16 | Fisker | those are not even processed yet |
| 04:28.29 | Fisker | .gg is a standard tld |
| 04:28.40 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 04:39.15 | Cairenn | My god ... the size of that thing! (the tornado) |
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| 04:56.44 | pompy | Cairenn: indeed, mile wide |
| 04:56.52 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:57.01 | Thunder_Child | So glad you used (), Cairenn. |
| 04:57.16 | Cairenn | nothing like 'seeing' it though |
| 04:57.33 | Thunder_Child | I didn't read that at first and in mu mind i'm all "Another comment for my sig." |
| 04:57.33 | Cairenn | vs just having heard that it was that wide |
| 04:57.34 | Fisker | i like how it swirled around |
| 04:57.40 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: indeed |
| 04:57.42 | Thunder_Child | s/mu/my/ |
| 04:57.57 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: which is precisely why I put it :p |
| 04:58.12 | Thunder_Child | And your little dog too! |
| 04:58.19 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 06:23.34 | Torhal | Another crazy vid of the tornado: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xTpceWd8UE4# |
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| 06:26.05 | Cairenn | You couldn't get me to stand that close, to video tape it |
| 06:27.17 | Thunder_Child | I would love to experience that at least once. |
| 06:28.35 | Cairenn | Not me, no thank you. I've had enough excitement with earthquakes, blizzards and hurricanes, I'll pass on the tornadoes ... even though they do hit around here some every summer |
| 06:29.03 | Thunder_Child | I still need to give blizzards and hurricanes a go as well |
| 06:29.04 | Cairenn | Not that size, but still |
| 06:29.19 | Cairenn | oh, and ice storms |
| 06:29.29 | Mr_Rabies | i agree with cairenn |
| 06:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | no thanks D: |
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| 06:43.49 | airtonix | Torhal: why are prayers needed? |
| 06:44.04 | airtonix | was he running out of stock> |
| 06:44.16 | Torhal | What the hell are you even talking about? |
| 06:44.28 | airtonix | youtube description |
| 06:44.47 | Torhal | I'm nowhere near Oklahome, so I wouldn't know. |
| 06:44.52 | Torhal | Oklahoma. |
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| 07:38.04 | raffy_ | for the simc gear format, like: finger1=radens_swift_seal,id=95021,gems=80agi_160hit_60agi,reforge=haste_exp |
| 07:38.22 | raffy_ | how do you annotate upgrades or ilvl changes |
| 07:54.10 | raffy_ | looks like ilevel=X |
| 07:55.09 | raffy_ | anyone know offhand how item names are converted? like "Jalak's Maelstrom Staff" > "jalak's_maelstrom_staff"? |
| 07:55.38 | zenzio | simc gear? |
| 07:55.59 | raffy_ | ya |
| 07:56.44 | raffy_ | someone requested an export feature for my sim/reforger, so i'm trying to translate items into something simc can read |
| 07:57.35 | zenzio | let me rephrase... what's simc? |
| 07:57.40 | Maldivia | simcraft |
| 07:57.52 | raffy_ | oh im in the wrong channel, haha |
| 07:57.55 | raffy_ | simculationcraft, ya |
| 07:58.12 | raffy_ | sorry for the confusion :) |
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| 10:04.14 | Arrowmaster | wtf google is dropping xmpp |
| 10:08.48 | Elkano | what did you expect after they dropped RSS? wonder when they'll drop http... |
| 10:10.42 | mikma | so they are upgrading/updating their chat systems. we'll see what happens |
| 10:13.48 | Arrowmaster | http://windowspbx.blogspot.fi/2013/05/hangouts-wont-hangout-with-other.html |
| 10:29.56 | zenzio | hm |
| 10:30.39 | zenzio | wonder if/how that will affect my XMPP use in Pidgin... finally starting to get people to switch from MSN, would hate if I had to go through another hurdle because of this |
| 10:35.33 | mikma | me and my friends use steam. lol |
| 10:36.47 | zenzio | I'd have a hard time convincing my dad to create a Steam account |
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| 11:11.33 | Fisker | awesome Arrowmaster |
| 11:11.57 | Fisker | MACD is one of my favorites |
| 11:14.00 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:35.33 | bleeter | haha @ colbert's '... scandal booth' |
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| 12:00.17 | Adys | how do i pipe multiple files into stdin? |
| 12:00.26 | Adys | like foo < 1 2 3 |
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| 12:01.36 | Adys | actually nvm |
| 12:01.57 | nevcairiel | cat a b | foo |
| 12:42.23 | karl_w_w | http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/lifestyle/australian-christian-lobby-shocker-gay-sex-could-be-taught-in-schools/story-fni0d7e5-1226647788718 |
| 12:42.39 | karl_w_w | the phrase "what is this I don't even" comes to mind |
| 12:45.50 | zenzio | wow... was discussing Game of Thrones with my brother, in particular Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane. Both the two actors who played/play him actually are 7'1" (2.16 m) :-o |
| 12:45.59 | zenzio | no fancy camera tricks necessary |
| 12:46.30 | bluspacecow | Gregor ? |
| 12:46.36 | bluspacecow | he the guy that says just one word ? |
| 12:46.44 | zenzio | no, that's Hodor |
| 12:46.49 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 12:46.52 | nevcairiel | hodor just says hodor |
| 12:46.53 | zenzio | Gregor is "The Hound"'s elder brother |
| 12:46.54 | bluspacecow | he doesn't play hodor ? |
| 12:47.12 | nevcairiel | didnt the mountain die or something |
| 12:47.34 | zenzio | he's still in season three at least |
| 12:47.49 | bluspacecow | i'm in season wot. |
| 12:47.50 | zenzio | have only finished the first book, so don't really know |
| 12:48.05 | nevcairiel | i dont remember seeing him, the hound was around recently |
| 12:48.08 | bluspacecow | i think i watched the first 3 episodes in Tonga. the first season |
| 12:49.51 | nevcairiel | in fact, googling reveals the mountain wasnt seen since s2e8 |
| 12:50.03 | nevcairiel | but apparently didnt die, just vanished =P |
| 12:57.52 | airtonix | zenzio, Arrowmaster is the voip in google talk and the chat from gmail part of hangout? |
| 12:58.45 | zenzio | don't know about VOIP. Think I had a link somewhere, let me check |
| 13:00.13 | zenzio | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/05/20/2315216/google-drops-xmpp-support |
| 13:10.24 | karl_w_w | the talk about the mountain a few times |
| 13:10.33 | karl_w_w | robb does |
| 13:10.55 | nevcairiel | in the latest episode the hound also mentiones the mountain once |
| 13:11.05 | nevcairiel | or rather, his cruelty |
| 13:11.13 | zenzio | in the first book at least The Mountain is spoken of a reasonable number of times; he's pretty much infamous in the Seven Kingdoms |
| 13:11.18 | karl_w_w | he's one of tywin's lieutenant-type people |
| 13:11.53 | nevcairiel | wasnt he the lord of harrenhal |
| 13:12.04 | nevcairiel | he must have fled sometime between tywin leaving and robb arriving |
| 13:12.16 | zenzio | IIRC it's even said that he wields a greatsword (two-hander) with one hand |
| 13:12.26 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 13:12.47 | karl_w_w | although he needed 2 hands to slice through that horses neck I think |
| 13:12.59 | zenzio | got to say though, I picked up on so much more from the book than the series |
| 13:13.18 | karl_w_w | obviously :P |
| 13:13.49 | zenzio | well, true. I might as well have just said "I suck at picking up on things on TV" |
| 13:13.51 | karl_w_w | I doubt there is a novel in existence that has been translated completely onto the screen |
| 13:14.08 | nevcairiel | books typically have more in-depth detail, but thats not to say the tv version is in any way worse |
| 13:14.14 | zenzio | especially troublesome in that respect is when the characters have inner monologues |
| 13:14.29 | zenzio | nevcairiel, agreed |
| 13:14.44 | nevcairiel | although i am missing a bit of action this season |
| 13:14.44 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: and then there are those that never should be translated... |
| 13:15.12 | nevcairiel | of course thats not an argument of book vs tv, since i have no clue how it goes on in the book =p |
| 13:15.29 | zenzio | Maldivia: yeah, like Lord of the Rings... that heathen Mr. Jackson |
| 13:15.50 | karl_w_w | it tends to more and more action-y towards the end of the season |
| 13:16.02 | nevcairiel | only 2 eps left, but maybe it'll go there |
| 13:16.21 | karl_w_w | episode 9 last season was the big one :P |
| 13:16.25 | zenzio | I'm hoping I'll catch up to the series before season 4 |
| 13:16.31 | nevcairiel | john and the wildlings attacking castle black or something, and maybe robb will get to some fighting as well |
| 13:16.37 | zenzio | I can be so slow at reading :-( |
| 13:17.05 | zenzio | nevcairiel: don't be silly, the final episode of the season is Desmond Miles waking up |
| 13:17.32 | nevcairiel | who the fuck is desmond miles |
| 13:17.53 | zenzio | count yourself lucky that you don't know |
| 13:17.55 | karl_w_w | is that a lost reference? |
| 13:18.01 | zenzio | no, Assassin's Creed |
| 13:18.13 | karl_w_w | oh good |
| 13:18.25 | karl_w_w | i stopped watching lost around the end of season 3 i think it was |
| 13:18.45 | karl_w_w | but I remember there was a desmond in that |
| 13:18.51 | nevcairiel | there was |
| 13:19.03 | zenzio | dude, karl_w_w, stop bringing up repressed memories |
| 13:19.09 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 13:19.18 | nevcairiel | he was kinda weird guy in lost |
| 13:19.24 | karl_w_w | any story that ends with "it was all a dream" is shit |
| 13:19.54 | karl_w_w | it's worse than shit, it's like they make this story and then decide to make it shit at the last minute |
| 13:20.33 | karl_w_w | "you know everything that just happened and you became invested in? yeah it was pointless, fuck you" |
| 13:20.40 | karl_w_w | that's what they're saying |
| 13:20.45 | zenzio | polar bear, anyone? |
| 13:21.06 | karl_w_w | nah thanks I'm trying to give it up |
| 13:21.08 | zenzio | John Locke... I was so depressed about what they did to his character |
| 13:21.33 | karl_w_w | he was the only good character on the show |
| 13:21.49 | zenzio | I felt like strangling Jack every single episode |
| 13:22.24 | karl_w_w | oh and that woman from the other side of the island who was an ex cop, she was alright |
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| 14:15.37 | AcidWeb | Anybody have idea if 5.3 release will reset MoP trials? |
| 14:16.19 | Guillotine | AcidWeb: What do you mean by "reset"? |
| 14:17.39 | AcidWeb | Cata accounts have 10day MoP trial sometimes. |
| 14:17.46 | AcidWeb | I use them to update addons ;p |
| 14:38.34 | Maldivia | isn't that what PTR is for? |
| 14:39.35 | AcidWeb | Maldivia: I can use PTR without active account? |
| 14:39.58 | bluspacecow | you might be able to. not really sure. |
| 14:39.58 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 14:40.16 | AcidWeb | damn |
| 14:40.19 | AcidWeb | Good to know -,- |
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| 14:45.15 | Maldivia | well, you used to anyway, haven't tested recently |
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| 15:11.52 | Fisker | old zenzio |
| 15:11.53 | Fisker | and awesome |
| 15:14.47 | AcidWeb | Maldivia: It works. I owe you one. |
| 15:26.01 | Mr_Rabies | ~wowstatus |
| 15:26.01 | purl | it has been said that wowstatus is http://battle.net/wow/en/status |
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| 15:43.30 | Fisker | lets hug haste |
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| 15:55.57 | haste | sure! |
| 16:02.06 | Fisker | i want my surface pro |
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| 17:01.03 | Mr_Rabies | ~status |
| 17:01.03 | purl | Since Thu May 16 18:12:47 2013, there have been 34 modifications, 239 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 98 commands. I have been awake for 4d 22h 48m 16s this session, and currently reference 119056 factoids. I'm using about 24140 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1325.25/25.61 child 0/0 |
| 17:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | oops |
| 17:01.19 | Mr_Rabies | ~wowalert |
| 17:01.19 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
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| 17:22.10 | Arrowmaster | so i heard the big boss called up to grill my manager on why ive been getting dispatched to replace only one computer a day recently when they have to pay me at least $35 a day in mileage |
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| 17:22.42 | Arrowmaster | so my 3 hour work days are over soon |
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| 17:27.05 | Primer | ToC is still 50200? |
| 17:27.14 | nevcairiel | of course not |
| 17:27.19 | Primer | /topic |
| 17:27.33 | nevcairiel | the topic says 5.2.x ToC: 50200 |
| 17:27.37 | nevcairiel | thats not wrong |
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| 17:28.31 | nevcairiel | if you can figure out whats the new toc just from that information, you'll get a cookie! :) |
| 17:28.56 | Fisker | tocs are complex nevcairiel |
| 17:28.58 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 17:28.59 | Fisker | i like you |
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| 17:29.19 | cogwheel | ohai |
| 17:32.32 | Rythal | hmm.. so new ToC is 50201? |
| 17:32.42 | Rythal | cuz the version went up by 1 >.> |
| 17:32.57 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 17:33.01 | Gnarfoz | that makes sense in your head? |
| 17:33.07 | nevcairiel | he is just a troll |
| 17:33.12 | Rythal | I am :/ |
| 17:33.14 | Ressy | 50300 |
| 17:33.33 | Gnarfoz | http://images.wikia.com/brutallegend/images/8/8c/You_Don't_Say.jpg |
| 17:34.02 | Rythal | it's no fun if you tell people i'm a troll tho |
| 17:36.41 | Primer | Any significant changes in the API? |
| 17:37.47 | Ressy | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.3.0/API_changes |
| 17:38.03 | Primer | thanks |
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| 17:41.17 | AcidWeb | Somebody maybe measured how many points per second are generated when one side hold all 3 points? |
| 17:41.38 | Primer | the DBM people surely did |
| 17:41.48 | AcidWeb | @Deepwind Gorde |
| 17:41.51 | AcidWeb | *Gorge |
| 17:42.17 | Primer | if they didn't, I'd expect it soon (unless you're one of them) |
| 17:43.12 | AcidWeb | I already measured most of needed data. |
| 17:43.26 | Fisker | i liked you cogwheel |
| 17:43.42 | AcidWeb | But no side want fail miserable on PTR. |
| 17:43.51 | AcidWeb | And i dont have number from 3 capped bases |
| 17:44.05 | cogwheel | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large grouper |
| 17:44.13 | Fisker | hey cogwheel ! |
| 17:44.20 | Fisker | runs into cogwheels arms |
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| 17:47.14 | Primer | I love my connection...pulling the patch down at 8MB/s |
| 17:50.14 | bluspacecow | i have this odd feeling you didn't grab the pre-patch |
| 17:50.22 | zenzelezz | best self portrait I've seen (6.6 MB) http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA16937.jpg |
| 17:50.38 | Primer | meh, I don't have to with this connection :) |
| 17:50.52 | Primer | it literally read "downloading" for about 10 seconds |
| 17:50.56 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 17:51.04 | bluspacecow | latest download files were about 50 MB |
| 17:51.08 | bluspacecow | so sounds about right |
| 17:51.11 | Primer | the entire patch process took less than 1 minute (SSD rocks too!) |
| 17:51.12 | bluspacecow | you blinked and it finished |
| 17:51.50 | Rythal | we had patch download? didn't notice it |
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| 18:01.21 | zenzelezz | "Conference so far: 21 minutes. More uses of the phrase 'Star Trek' than 'gaming'." |
| 18:01.37 | zenzelezz | comment about Xbox "reveal" |
| 18:01.40 | cogwheel | everyone at work is watching that |
| 18:02.14 | Rythal | forza looked amazing.... CoD blech :/ |
| 18:02.17 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.20 | bluspacecow | a cogwheel appears |
| 18:02.27 | cogwheel | OMG WHERE |
| 18:02.39 | cogwheel | looks around frantically |
| 18:02.48 | zenzelezz | I'm not watching... but my Twitter feed is spammed about it |
| 18:03.05 | zenzelezz | I've never been much of a console gamer, but I've been thoroughly unimpressed with all the Xbox rumors |
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| 18:03.09 | cogwheel | i'm not either |
| 18:03.24 | cogwheel | it's funny to hear all these varied and random reactions shouted throughout the office |
| 18:03.31 | cogwheel | "omg that hair" |
| 18:03.59 | cogwheel | "oooh … ehhh… too real do not want" |
| 18:04.05 | Rythal | PC gaming for life... but my CEO plays xbox... so I have one for that, it's kinda like going golfing with the execs except we shoot each other |
| 18:04.15 | zenzelezz | "If I had a boner before this presentation, it would surely be long gone by now" |
| 18:06.44 | Mr_Rabies | my only issue with pc gaming is digital distribution being kind of a mess still |
| 18:07.05 | Mr_Rabies | and brick and mortar distribution is all but nonexistant |
| 18:07.13 | Mr_Rabies | well, not my only issue |
| 18:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | one major issue |
| 18:09.30 | Torhal | challenges Humbedooh to write a Scaleform library for WoW. |
| 18:09.48 | bluspacecow | in XML |
| 18:10.18 | zenzelezz | and XSLT |
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| 18:12.19 | Humbedooh | oh I do love a good XSLT match |
| 18:17.49 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/4EpQe3x.jpg |
| 18:19.30 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: compared to consoles where digital distribution is all but nonexistant |
| 18:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | not true at all, but still |
| 18:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | digital distribution isn't ready yet, we don't have anything properly set up for it |
| 18:20.15 | Mr_Rabies | no infrastructure, no proper laws, etc |
| 18:27.44 | Fisker | touch me cogwheel |
| 18:29.33 | cogwheel | ~touch Fisker |
| 18:29.33 | purl | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 18:29.47 | TC-work | creepy. |
| 18:32.09 | bluspacecow | ~touch cogwheel |
| 18:32.09 | purl | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 18:32.29 | cogwheel | ~Fendor |
| 18:37.21 | karl_w_w | so who knows a lot about 5.3? what's the stuff I should do on the first day because it's dailies or something? |
| 18:37.36 | Rythal | head to barrens and kill stuffs |
| 18:38.22 | karl_w_w | orcs? :D |
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| 18:47.33 | karl_w_w | Spitfire Beam no longer increases in damage with each jump, deals a flat 200,000 damage(up from 150,000 damage), and jumps to 99 targets (up from 20 targets). |
| 18:47.39 | karl_w_w | lol, that's gonna look awesome |
| 18:48.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeesh, no backwards compatibility and possibly stifling the secondary market |
| 18:48.34 | Mr_Rabies | i might not get the xbox one then :| |
| 18:49.16 | Rythal | i didn't hear nuthin about either of those 2 things during the releaser... |
| 18:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | going at least one generation back in backwards compatibility is a necessary thing for me |
| 18:49.35 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4350662/new-xbox-has-no-backwards-compatibilty |
| 18:49.54 | Rythal | no backwards doesn't surprise me... but no second hand, I can't see it.. sony and ms are both playing chicken with it, but neither has the guts |
| 18:50.03 | Rythal | they'd have to both do it at the same time |
| 18:50.47 | Fisker | starts up a copy of Fallout 1 |
| 18:52.06 | Mr_Rabies | at least one generation of backwards compatibility is necessary for me to purchase a console, and a secondary market is necessary for me to purchase a game for anything more than 50% of its launch price |
| 18:52.09 | Rythal | I could see MS doing what sony is for backwards compatability, and letting you stream the games from the cloud... since they are pushing so hard that it's a cloud device |
| 18:53.06 | Mr_Rabies | no secondary market means a game is worth at most half of what it would be if i could resell it |
| 18:54.15 | Rythal | never cared much about secondary market... I play the game then give it away, and my parents and brother in law don't play online so they don't care if the codes used |
| 18:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | you shouldn't be so willing to give up your rights as a consumer :( |
| 18:55.13 | Mr_Rabies | plus, that's part of the secondary market |
| 18:55.30 | Mr_Rabies | you literally couldn't do what you describe if the secondary market was blocked |
| 18:55.47 | Rythal | what it will boil down to, is which one works better here in canada... the 360 90% of the crap they had it doing, never worked here... so they can boast about everything it's gunna do, but i'll wait to see it working here. |
| 18:56.28 | Rythal | always irked me I paid more per month for live, and got nothing for it since everything was US only. |
| 18:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | in the US at least, Live is worth every penny |
| 18:57.19 | Mr_Rabies | you really get what you pay for with the ps3's online features |
| 18:57.32 | Mr_Rabies | so many games have no ability to mute voice chat |
| 18:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | and unless it was recently added there's no OS-level ability to block/mute voice chat |
| 18:58.12 | Rythal | I"m the kind of dumbass who pays for live, just for netflix... even tho I have a PS3 too and could use it free |
| 18:58.54 | TC-work | I think the obvious answer to all of this is go use a desktop. |
| 18:59.16 | TC-work | where the shit is not piled quite as high. |
| 18:59.19 | Rythal | xbmc doesn't do netflix very well :/ |
| 19:00.44 | Mr_Rabies | desktop is okay for some games but the games have less value since you're just renting them all |
| 19:01.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's got better graphics sometimes, and a better control scheme for a handful of genres |
| 19:01.15 | Mr_Rabies | that's really all it has going for it |
| 19:03.34 | Mr_Rabies | i actually prefer some FPSes with a controller because the pacing is better |
| 19:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | bad company 2, for example |
| 19:04.04 | Rythal | not sure I'd say better control... since 90% of the games are just console ports, so your limited |
| 19:04.12 | Mr_Rabies | the balance between the classes is very different and as a result every server isn't full of morons sniping |
| 19:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much just RTSes and FPSes are better control wise on PC |
| 19:05.24 | karl_w_w | all games have at least as good a control scheme on desktop |
| 19:05.25 | Mr_Rabies | almost everything else i'd prefer a controlelr |
| 19:05.32 | karl_w_w | because you can use a controller with a desktop |
| 19:05.36 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 19:06.06 | karl_w_w | at least on desktops a bunch of games aren't capped at 30 fps |
| 19:06.28 | karl_w_w | only some of the console ports :P |
| 19:07.18 | karl_w_w | servers are up |
| 19:07.56 | Mr_Rabies | not entirely, karl_w_w, because with some games you're dealing with a hardware mismatch if you can use both |
| 19:08.13 | Mr_Rabies | for example, i doubt there are any controller-only Bad Company 2 servers out there |
| 19:08.18 | karl_w_w | ohhh noe |
| 19:08.24 | karl_w_w | mapster is broken |
| 19:08.55 | karl_w_w | and they changed tonumber without telling us? |
| 19:09.42 | Mr_Rabies | what's tonumber? i see that in my bugsack already :p |
| 19:09.58 | karl_w_w | converts stuff tonumber :P |
| 19:09.58 | Mr_Rabies | huh, interesting, load out of date addons stayed checked :O |
| 19:11.31 | bluspacecow | that was interesting. |
| 19:12.39 | cogwheel | lawl |
| 19:12.54 | cogwheel | http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE |
| 19:23.09 | karl_w_w | hah |
| 19:23.45 | TC-work | Unless sony can't do it right either |
| 19:24.59 | Fisker | i liked you cogwheel |
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| 19:30.02 | Arrowmaster | cogwheel: https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT&cmpto=NYSE:SNE |
| 20:04.22 | TC-work | hmm... Sony: 1.01B shares @ 22.91 vs MS: 8.35B shares @ 34.85 |
| 20:04.31 | TC-work | Not much of a contest really. |
| 20:05.34 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/jWoMX0F |
| 20:10.21 | AcidWeb | bluspacecow: FYI PTR work with inactive accounts |
| 20:10.30 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 20:10.41 | bluspacecow | ty for testing it ! |
| 20:11.25 | AcidWeb | It is like small miracle. Now 5.3 release will not transform my work to pile of burning rubble ;p |
| 20:14.59 | Fisker | a |
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| 20:34.20 | karl_w_w | TC-work: wouldn't sony have most of their shares on the nikkei? |
| 20:38.59 | TC-work | karl_w_w: It's almost identical thhough |
| 20:39.19 | TC-work | 1bn shares @ 2160 yen -> 21 usd |
| 20:39.25 | TC-work | though* |
| 20:39.31 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 20:39.52 | TC-work | at least I think it's 1bn yen |
| 20:39.55 | TC-work | err..shares |
| 20:40.23 | karl_w_w | other lols: they implemented the bad luck protection on pet battle quest rewards by simply using the lfr loor system |
| 20:40.26 | karl_w_w | loot* |
| 20:40.36 | karl_w_w | so you open the bag and get spammed by things |
| 20:42.35 | Ackis | like my UI: http://i.imgur.com/4zaNdub.jpg |
| 20:43.05 | karl_w_w | ooh snazzy, the new support browser will open the link direct in your regular browser eg. to do item restoration |
| 20:43.36 | karl_w_w | Ackis: that aspect ratio |
| 20:44.10 | Ackis | what's wrong with my aspect ratio?!?! |
| 20:44.40 | karl_w_w | it looks stretched to me! |
| 20:44.57 | nevcairiel | i would rather mock that tiny resolution |
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| 20:45.31 | karl_w_w | ah i think the image has been stretched or something |
| 20:45.58 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: try 1366x768 |
| 20:46.15 | nevcairiel | why would i do that |
| 20:46.16 | Ackis | it's 1920 x 1080 in windowed mode |
| 20:46.50 | karl_w_w | to get perspective on what is and isn't tiny resolution |
| 20:47.26 | karl_w_w | image is 1,920px × 1,017px |
| 20:47.32 | Ackis | my 1920 x 1200 is my second monitor because it's in the process of blowing up |
| 20:47.46 | karl_w_w | doesn't explain why the text is all funky (technical term) |
| 20:48.17 | Ackis | as in skewed/fucked up fonts? yeah I have no idea |
| 20:49.59 | karl_w_w | find and blame sylvanaar? |
| 20:50.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think the unicode font just looks like that, if i recall |
| 20:50.19 | Primer | Anyone know what Galleon's respawn time is? |
| 20:50.37 | karl_w_w | 1.5-2 hours |
| 20:51.07 | karl_w_w | why, you planning on bug exploiting? |
| 20:51.07 | Primer | yeah, I didn't see that change in the patch notes...people are saying "it's as often as Sha!", but I called bullshit |
| 20:51.26 | karl_w_w | apparently he's dropping 522 |
| 20:57.30 | Primer | yes, guildy got 522 from him |
| 20:58.18 | Ackis | I just killed him and got a 496 |
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| 21:01.12 | smcn | why is the topic not updated with the new toc! gosh |
| 21:01.33 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:05.11 | bleeter | haha that new xbox is pretty funny |
| 21:05.30 | Torhal | murders Ackis's UI. |
| 21:05.38 | smcn | yeah i can't wait to watch tv on it |
| 21:05.42 | Ackis | Torhal: :( |
| 21:05.43 | smcn | the future of entertainment |
| 21:06.35 | karl_w_w | is that some amazing new feature? |
| 21:06.56 | smcn | the way they kept talking about it i guess so |
| 21:07.23 | smcn | an hour long presentation and about 10 minutes of it spent on games, 8 of which were call of duty and mocapping dogs |
| 21:08.02 | bleeter | "XBox None" |
| 21:09.03 | zenzelezz | like someone said on Twitter... "PS4 conference: Wacky Japanese guys, crazy shoes, game play and mechanics. Xbox conference: 'it's a cable box with sports games'" |
| 21:09.33 | karl_w_w | oh look, it's a snes controller! |
| 21:10.21 | karl_w_w | wait a sec why is the stick at the top on the left |
| 21:10.31 | karl_w_w | these people are the wacky ones |
| 21:11.36 | karl_w_w | anyway my original point, you've been able to watch tv on the ps3 for years |
| 21:13.37 | karl_w_w | although to be fair to them, at least they had a new xbox to show at their new xbox announcement |
| 21:24.29 | Torhal | Cairenn: Why is FuBar still on the list, BTW? Support ended in 2008 :) |
| 21:24.52 | bleeter | Torhal: because wowi is fubar? |
| 21:25.00 | bleeter | C WUT I DID THAR, Cairenn?! :D |
| 21:25.00 | Torhal | >.< |
| 21:25.02 | Cairenn | smacks bleeter |
| 21:25.13 | Cairenn | Torhal: because it still gets downloaded tons |
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| 21:25.37 | Torhal | Weird. |
| 21:25.45 | Cairenn | yes, but true |
| 21:26.09 | VIad | ^^ |
| 21:35.20 | foxlit | formatting it as updated is kind of deceptive, though |
| 21:36.54 | zenzelezz | everyone knows updating an addon is only a matter of changing the toc and everything works |
| 21:38.06 | foxlit | hm, i should write something that breaks if you modify its .toc |
| 21:41.29 | zenzelezz | make all the addon's math operate including a modulus or other value based on the toc version specifie |
| 21:41.31 | zenzelezz | +d |
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| 22:35.17 | kd3 | emails out |
| 22:35.29 | Gnarfoz | out of emails?! thank god |
| 22:35.36 | Gnarfoz | no more spam, ever! |
| 22:36.07 | bleeter | or if you do get spam, blame kd3 |
| 22:36.15 | kd3 | not for much longer! |
| 22:36.20 | TC-work | you hope |
| 22:36.20 | Gnarfoz | what was that about tonumber() being changed? |
| 22:39.35 | Guillotine | Say what? tonumber should definitely not have have been changed. |
| 22:41.12 | Gnarfoz | [21:08:51] <karl_w_w> and they changed tonumber without telling us? |
| 22:41.29 | Gnarfoz | (that's 3.5 hours ago, for reference) |
| 22:42.32 | kd3 | ! did they not force-flip the load out-of-date cvar this time? |
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| 22:42.44 | Guillotine | karl_w_w: Any specifics on how tonumber changed? That definitely sounds like a bug |
| 22:45.20 | bleeter | kd3: you're not the first person to mention this |
| 22:46.02 | bleeter | kd3: sorry, that sounded far more combative than I meant. I meant to merely confirm your observation by mentioning someone else was commenting earlier |
| 22:46.14 | kd3 | yah, yah, no offense taken |
| 22:46.52 | bleeter | to misquote Guillotine, "That definitely sounds like a bug" :D |
| 22:47.26 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.30 | Guillotine | Whoo, patch day! |
| 22:47.40 | bleeter | \o/ PARTAY! \o/ |
| 22:48.25 | VIad | tonumber? in what way? |
| 22:48.43 | bleeter | at least the load OOD CVar sounds like a fairly simple fix that they could patch RSN to help their own support folks as well as addon authors |
| 22:49.16 | VIad | !lua tonumber(nil) |
| 22:49.16 | batbot | VIad: > nil |
| 22:49.21 | VIad | !lua tonumber(5.2345) |
| 22:49.21 | batbot | VIad: > 5.2345 |
| 22:49.24 | VIad | phew, still works fine |
| 22:49.34 | bleeter | but then again, would they bump the TOC to fix the OOD CVar? hmmm :D |
| 22:49.50 | Gnarfoz | VIad: you checked that quite expertly |
| 22:49.53 | bleeter | ie, mark all genuinely OOD addons as OOD so we can all start again |
| 22:50.13 | VIad | Gnarfoz: I am an expert in writing test-suites! :D |
| 22:50.22 | bleeter | VIad: u r so leet |
| 22:50.30 | Gnarfoz | or simply a moron |
| 22:50.32 | airtonix | tonumber is now based on your toc version? |
| 22:51.03 | VIad | do tell, I don't know anything about the 5.3, didnt play the PTR or anything, so, you are my sources for my info |
| 22:51.26 | Gnarfoz | why would you test someone's IRC bot to verify something changed or didn't change in WoW? |
| 22:51.29 | bleeter | maybe they're using tonumber to do the OOD CVar flip ;) |
| 22:51.40 | Guillotine | Well, if anyone does find out what karl_w_w was talking about with regard to tonumber, please message me. |
| 22:51.43 | VIad | Gnarfoz: obvious joke? :P |
| 22:51.58 | Gnarfoz | you seem like the kind of guy to do that in seriousness :p |
| 22:52.03 | VIad | btw in EU we don't have 5.3 until ~12 hours |
| 22:52.14 | VIad | Gnarfoz: I usually fake being silly for fun |
| 22:52.22 | bleeter | Guillotine: karl_w_w did mention mapster just before talking about tonumber, maybe that's where he saw the problem. I dunno, just guessing. |
| 22:52.37 | VIad | if anyone is in US, do some /dump tests |
| 22:52.57 | VIad | 5.3 was released hours ago right? |
| 22:53.07 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 22:53.32 | VIad | did they change tonumber params or return values? |
| 22:53.40 | Gnarfoz | who knows? |
| 22:54.15 | airtonix | the irc bot knows |
| 22:54.46 | VIad | !lua print("purl, tell >lua print('purl, tell Gnarfoz he is cool!')") |
| 22:54.46 | batbot | VIad: purl, tell >lua print('purl, tell Gnarfoz he is cool!') |
| 22:54.56 | VIad | :< |
| 22:55.00 | Gnarfoz | you're such a winner |
| 22:55.01 | Guillotine | I'm pretty sure there have been no changes to tonumber since forever. I'm guessing it was some other issue with mapster that just showed up in a tonumber call. But *please* do let me know if anyone finds out otherwise. |
| 22:55.16 | VIad | !lua "purl, tell Gnarfoz he is cool!" |
| 22:55.16 | batbot | VIad: > purl, tell Gnarfoz he is cool! |
| 22:55.20 | VIad | damn you purl! |
| 22:55.23 | VIad | purl, are you here? |
| 22:55.23 | purl | Yes, I'm right here, viad. |
| 22:55.30 | VIad | purl, my name is Vlad |
| 22:55.30 | purl | ...but my name is already something else... |
| 22:55.34 | Gnarfoz | you'll figure it out some day |
| 22:55.48 | VIad | >lua ":D" |
| 22:55.54 | VIad | lua> ":/" |
| 22:55.55 | lua_bot | VIad: :/ |
| 22:56.13 | VIad | lua> _VERSION |
| 22:56.13 | lua_bot | VIad: Lua 5.1 |
| 22:56.16 | VIad | !lua _VERSION |
| 22:56.16 | batbot | VIad: > Lua 5.1 |
| 22:56.18 | VIad | hmm |
| 22:56.23 | VIad | same lua environment? |
| 22:56.38 | airtonix | sam bat time? |
| 22:56.54 | bleeter | same bat IRC chan |
| 22:56.56 | Gnarfoz | wouldn't count on it; ask the bot owners |
| 22:57.22 | VIad | !lua os.shutdown() |
| 22:57.22 | batbot | VIad: @ [string "return os.shutdown()"]:1: attempt to call field 'shutdown' (a nil value) |
| 22:57.24 | VIad | :P |
| 22:57.53 | VIad | !lua os.execute |
| 22:57.53 | batbot | VIad: > nil |
| 22:57.57 | VIad | lua> os.execute |
| 22:57.57 | lua_bot | VIad: nil |
| 22:57.59 | VIad | smart :P |
| 23:00.33 | VIad | soon I go bed |
| 23:01.09 | VIad | I sleepy :( |
| 23:09.31 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-56-4.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:17.30 | TC-work | It really needs to be Wednesday so I can stop being wrong whenever I think that today is Wednesday. |
| 23:21.54 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 23:22.17 | haste | come to norway, already 1:30AM into wednesday |
| 23:23.03 | TC-work | Actually I would, But I personally refuse to go to any country where I do not speak the official language. |
| 23:23.41 | bleeter | TC-work: YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME IN THE FUTURE!!! |
| 23:23.59 | bleeter | Wed May 22 09:24:38 EST 2013 |
| 23:24.49 | TC-work | Too much sugar today bleeter? |
| 23:25.10 | bleeter | TC-work: just getting started |
| 23:25.25 | TC-work | Just getting started on having too much sugar? |
| 23:25.28 | TC-work | oh great |
| 23:25.37 | bleeter | :D |
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| 23:32.47 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadniX (shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de) |
| 23:32.56 | TC-work | I would hunt you down bleeter, but $1200 for plane tickets is a bit much for that. |
| 23:37.33 | *** join/#wowuidev ShadniX| (shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de) |
| 23:40.03 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 23:40.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.00 | bleeter | TC-work: also, drop bears |
| 23:43.28 | TC-work | bleeter: that's this monday. |
| 23:47.42 | bleeter | TC-work: the other solution is find a project at work where you HAVE to come over (ie, they pay for you to hunt me down) |
| 23:48.50 | bleeter | TC-work: and if such a project doesn't exist, create one! \o/ |
| 23:53.39 | kd3 | nice. bonus vp (even in raid finder) for bigger trash mobs |
