| 00:00.22 | Sharparam | and what is "fun" |
| 00:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna be something different for everyone |
| 00:00.36 | Sharparam | other than the scheduled raids for a raiding person |
| 00:00.45 | xyphoid | basically dailies are a thing that you can't catch up on so you feel you have to do them every day |
| 00:01.01 | Mr_Rabies | plus mogu runes only being accessible through two avenues |
| 00:01.04 | Mr_Rabies | dailies and pet battles |
| 00:01.17 | Sharparam | but they aren't a requirement |
| 00:01.21 | xyphoid | that eats up the first hour of your playtime with repetitive content, even when there's non-repetitive content you could be doing instead |
| 00:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | they essentially are |
| 00:01.38 | Sharparam | but what is the non-repetitive content? |
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| 00:01.46 | Sharparam | doing old-content raids for transmog/nostalgia? |
| 00:01.57 | Mr_Rabies | doing what you find fun |
| 00:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | instead of what you have to do to not get booted |
| 00:02.09 | Sharparam | people who played past expansions would've already done all those things anyway |
| 00:02.11 | xyphoid | well for me it was pet battles, the mists lorewalker content, old-world solo stuff |
| 00:02.23 | xyphoid | achievements in general |
| 00:02.27 | Mr_Rabies | dailies made me quit once during tbc when they were added |
| 00:02.41 | Mr_Rabies | and they were threatening to again until 5.2 hit |
| 00:02.49 | Sharparam | it's not like you need to do dailies every day every week for your 50 charms |
| 00:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | i quit the week i got exalted with ogri'la |
| 00:03.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but it was 90 charms for months |
| 00:03.19 | Sharparam | still wouldn't require the entire week |
| 00:03.23 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't matter |
| 00:03.28 | xyphoid | it particularly hurts when your game time is constrained for any reason |
| 00:03.29 | Mr_Rabies | they're bad design |
| 00:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | they make the carrot on the stick way too obvious |
| 00:03.41 | xyphoid | so if you have an hour to play on a particular day, well, enjoy your chores |
| 00:03.48 | Mr_Rabies | they're leading to people getting burned out at an alarming rate |
| 00:03.49 | Sharparam | our old gleader had like 500 surplus charms, when it was still 90 per week |
| 00:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'm exalted with every faction and still live week to week on charm |
| 00:04.08 | Mr_Rabies | charms* |
| 00:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see how they have so many surplus |
| 00:04.36 | Sharparam | he also had most factions/cooking maxed two-three weeks after launch |
| 00:04.43 | xyphoid | if dailies didn't exist i would probably still be playing to work on achievements |
| 00:04.46 | Mr_Rabies | i do pet battles every week to avoid doing dailies, because MoP has totally taken all fun out of questing for me now |
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| 00:05.15 | xyphoid | but the thing about achievements is you work on them on your own time |
| 00:05.20 | Mr_Rabies | i got my hunter to 90 without doing any major questing because dailies have totally sucked all fun out of questing |
| 00:05.38 | xyphoid | and when you get bored with working on thing 1 you have a million other things to work on |
| 00:05.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not even remotely interested in leveling my other alts at this point |
| 00:05.59 | Mr_Rabies | because i don't want to restart the grind once you hit 90 |
| 00:06.20 | Semlar | yeah i hate gated shit |
| 00:06.30 | Sharparam | well the grinds are being reduced at least |
| 00:06.40 | Sharparam | no lotus req for starting shado/august rep |
| 00:06.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's getting better |
| 00:07.03 | Semlar | i haven't done any of those reps |
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| 00:07.11 | Semlar | what do you get out of it |
| 00:07.15 | Sharparam | gear/recipes |
| 00:07.20 | xyphoid | i was really looking forward to loremasters (exploring the world for scrolls HOT DAMN, rares (woohay look at all these neat items), and pet battles but after dailies each day i just logged off |
| 00:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | i think they're lazy design and only result in losing subscribers |
| 00:07.22 | Sharparam | and some vanity items |
| 00:07.37 | Sharparam | rares are a joke |
| 00:07.40 | Sharparam | they're not rare |
| 00:08.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm probably gonna start farming rares for my lesser charms in 5.3 |
| 00:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | since even pet battles are getting old now |
| 00:08.43 | Sharparam | rares drop charms? |
| 00:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | as of 5.3, some do |
| 00:08.51 | Sharparam | oh |
| 00:08.51 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno what "some" means |
| 00:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | probably the Isle of Thunder+ ones |
| 00:09.11 | Sharparam | i would imagine it taking a long time to get 50 charms through rares alone |
| 00:09.22 | Mr_Rabies | not if it's the easily soloable ones |
| 00:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | i go rare hunting some nights and kill 20-30 rares no problem |
| 00:09.52 | Mr_Rabies | though my realm is basically dead |
| 00:09.57 | Sharparam | anything's soloable with a tank offspec *insert overly manly man* |
| 00:10.11 | Mr_Rabies | which makes the group content for some of the legendary questline just about impossible |
| 00:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't done oondasta in over a month since we basically run it once a week when i can't play |
| 00:10.31 | xyphoid | can you crz that stuff |
| 00:10.46 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but never any listed on openraid and i cba to herd cats for oondasta |
| 00:10.47 | Semlar | you can crz everything |
| 00:10.56 | Mr_Rabies | not ToT normal/heroic |
| 00:11.08 | Mr_Rabies | i...don't think? |
| 00:11.10 | Semlar | yes you can |
| 00:11.12 | Sharparam | wat |
| 00:11.17 | Semlar | why wouldn't you be able to |
| 00:11.17 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 00:11.47 | Sharparam | and this is confirmed? |
| 00:11.58 | Sharparam | it has always been that you couldn't CRZ current raids |
| 00:11.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm fairly certain that current raid content was locked out of cross-realm system arbitrarily except lfr |
| 00:12.08 | Mr_Rabies | lemme double check |
| 00:12.12 | Semlar | why |
| 00:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | "arbitraily" |
| 00:12.22 | Mr_Rabies | wow |
| 00:12.23 | Mr_Rabies | i can't spell |
| 00:12.24 | Semlar | that makes no sense |
| 00:12.40 | Sharparam | > implying blizzard usually makes sense? |
| 00:12.56 | Mr_Rabies | nor does designing a whole expansion's progression around repetitive nonsense that doesn't move the story that only unlocks at max level :p |
| 00:13.13 | Sharparam | what i would want |
| 00:13.17 | Sharparam | is rep to be account-bound |
| 00:13.21 | Semlar | you can sure as hell crz nalak and oondasta |
| 00:13.29 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, as of a hotfix on 5.2 |
| 00:13.31 | Sharparam | but as an RPG, it wouldn't make sense |
| 00:13.50 | Mr_Rabies | eh, i think that sticking to genre conventions as a reason to not do something is a bad idea |
| 00:14.04 | Sharparam | tell that to RP-realms |
| 00:14.35 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think gameplay should ever be harmed by rp stuff |
| 00:14.52 | Sharparam | but they did add the items to increase rep gain |
| 00:15.26 | Mr_Rabies | i think account-wide rep would be nice and the commendations certainly make it easier |
| 00:15.32 | Sharparam | and the 300+200 extra rep per day |
| 00:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | plus work orders |
| 00:15.44 | foxlit | why even bother with alts? |
| 00:15.46 | Sharparam | i cba with those |
| 00:15.56 | foxlit | Just make multi-class a thing, like multi-spec. ;) |
| 00:15.59 | Sharparam | i use my vegetables for banquets |
| 00:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing though foxlit |
| 00:16.08 | Mr_Rabies | unless you have a lot, lot, lot of time |
| 00:16.15 | Mr_Rabies | you CAN'T even bother with alts now |
| 00:16.42 | Sharparam | maybe they should add a companion that does dailies for you |
| 00:16.54 | foxlit | meh, sure you can. |
| 00:16.56 | Sharparam | personal slave |
| 00:17.02 | Sharparam | like the argent gruntling |
| 00:17.03 | foxlit | Maybe you don't like how much time that takes, but that's your problem. |
| 00:17.27 | Sharparam | i dislike how the argent gruntling can't pet battle though |
| 00:17.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's the game's problem, foxlit |
| 00:17.44 | Sharparam | i can make him run across two continents to fetch mail and bank items for me |
| 00:17.53 | Sharparam | but i can't get him to punch a squirrel |
| 00:18.26 | Sharparam | not even the adult guild companions can battle |
| 00:18.28 | Mr_Rabies | i think making someone do something they don't enjoy simply because it's designed that way is a poor way to design a game |
| 00:19.22 | foxlit | I'd like to see Algalon, but I don't like to raid in an organized guild. Where's my pony? |
| 00:19.29 | Mr_Rabies | all that does is drive away people except those with some form of masochistic mindset like those that used to play EQ |
| 00:19.49 | Mr_Rabies | right here, foxlit: http://openraid.us/ |
| 00:19.58 | foxlit | s/Algalon/Ra-den, obviously. |
| 00:20.11 | Mr_Rabies | (though i'd really like a similar system to be implemented in-game) |
| 00:20.53 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: I doubt you can pug heroic end-bosses with groups of people who don't like organized raiding. |
| 00:21.08 | Sharparam | we raided ulduar, molten core, sarth3d, naxx |
| 00:21.10 | Sharparam | this week |
| 00:21.12 | Mr_Rabies | not at current-tier, maybe |
| 00:21.15 | Sharparam | with full dailies every day |
| 00:21.35 | Sharparam | (shado, anglers, august, lotus, IoT) |
| 00:21.55 | Sharparam | and i still managed to afk an hour in shrine |
| 00:21.58 | Sharparam | every day |
| 00:22.02 | Sharparam | ! |
| 00:22.10 | Semlar | that's because you have too much time on your hands |
| 00:22.13 | foxlit | I kind of like alt progression as of 5.2. |
| 00:22.35 | Mr_Rabies | i personally think it's bad design to restrict ra-den to heroic-only, as well, foxlit |
| 00:23.00 | foxlit | It actually exists, can't be bypassed by running the same random heroic queue over and over, and it still takes only a few weeks to go from fresh 80 to ToT LFR. |
| 00:23.28 | Semlar | 90 |
| 00:23.37 | foxlit | qq! |
| 00:23.44 | Mr_Rabies | i think dailies should open at 85 if they're going to remain, at the least |
| 00:23.45 | foxlit | (but to be fair, those keys are close) |
| 00:23.50 | Mr_Rabies | let me level and also catch up on progression |
| 00:23.52 | Sharparam | my dutch friend is almost tot lfr ready and he started from lvl 1 a few weeks ago |
| 00:24.21 | Mr_Rabies | if i've gotta do it to progress on the character anyway, let me start as soon as the content opens if my skill and gear let me |
| 00:24.23 | Sharparam | with no looms, mind you |
| 00:25.02 | foxlit | (and not a monk?) |
| 00:25.07 | Sharparam | hunter |
| 00:25.12 | Mr_Rabies | i actually got to ToT LFR in less than a week, foxlit, but it took a few thousand gold |
| 00:25.42 | Mr_Rabies | though i didn't bind most of the stuff i bought to me so it was more like a loan |
| 00:26.04 | Mr_Rabies | i bought a lot of BoE gear, some cloth, etc, for my hunter |
| 00:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | just to get the ilvl requirements met to get gear i could actually use |
| 00:26.58 | Sharparam | buy pvp gear with all the useless justice? |
| 00:27.20 | Mr_Rabies | well that's the thing |
| 00:27.29 | Mr_Rabies | you can't really earn much justice until 90 |
| 00:27.34 | Mr_Rabies | so it's useful for about a day |
| 00:28.25 | Mr_Rabies | even leveling almost exclusively through dungeons from 1-90, i still didn't have 4000 jp by the time i was ready to buy jp gear |
| 00:30.01 | foxlit | so run some dungeons at 90. |
| 00:30.02 | Mr_Rabies | okay yeah i think it was about time to sell my surplus enchanting mats |
| 00:31.11 | Sharparam | <foxlit> It actually exists, can't be bypassed by running the same random heroic queue over and over, and it still takes only a few weeks to go from fresh 80 to ToT LFR. |
| 00:31.14 | Sharparam | damnit |
| 00:31.16 | Sharparam | wrong paste |
| 00:31.24 | Sharparam | 02:30 - Flurdy: took me about 2 weeks 1 to 90 without looms |
| 00:31.24 | Sharparam | 02:30 - Flurdy: and i'm 2 weeks into my level 90 |
| 00:31.26 | Sharparam | foxlit: |
| 00:31.53 | foxlit | /played is the interesting thing, really :) |
| 00:31.55 | Mr_Rabies | made about 11k so far today from my auctions i listed about 6 hours ago |
| 00:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | getting to 90 isn't the hard part, but it's just like |
| 00:32.23 | Semlar | looks like it took me 7 weeks to go from level 1 to a 509 item level |
| 00:32.45 | Semlar | so you could probably clear all of ToT with a brand new character in under 2 months |
| 00:33.03 | Semlar | it's not like i was racing or anything |
| 00:33.09 | Sharparam | depends if your guild carries you or not |
| 00:33.25 | Semlar | yeah it would probably have been faster if i had someone carry me |
| 00:33.25 | Gnarfoz | /played is for kids, get tekkub's LifePercent and weep :p |
| 00:33.26 | Sharparam | we had someone leave and join another guild where he got carried |
| 00:33.52 | Mr_Rabies | everything you do until 90 feels mostly meaningless, the game's designed now to mostly only be feasible to level via questing, quest rewards suck, and you've got so much more work ahead of you once you hit 90 to even catch up |
| 00:34.07 | Sharparam | i leave wow running at night at login screen to rank up hours on xifre *insert confession bear* |
| 00:34.19 | Sharparam | s/xifre/xfire/ |
| 00:34.35 | Mr_Rabies | i just bought adventuring supplies vendor gear on my hunter at each breakpoint |
| 00:34.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just wholly tired of questing now, which used to be my favorite thing |
| 00:35.33 | xyphoid | why are daily quests always the boring ones too |
| 00:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | i almost had loremaster before achievements were even added to wow (though i lost most progress on kalimdor when cata came out) |
| 00:35.54 | Sharparam | foxlit: are you foxhealer @ stormreaver? |
| 00:35.59 | foxlit | no. |
| 00:36.02 | Sharparam | :/ |
| 00:36.14 | Mr_Rabies | they're not even worth reading the quest text on, they never really have any bearing on the story, the drop rates tend to suck, everyone's farming the same mobs |
| 00:36.14 | xyphoid | i mean it weirded me out that in the entire run to cloud serpents exalted i got one flying race |
| 00:36.24 | Mr_Rabies | it's just the perfect storm of bad design and a lot of people are jumping ship as a response |
| 00:37.23 | Semlar | most of them just happen to be from china |
| 00:37.37 | Sharparam | "It's so bad, even the gold farmers quit!" |
| 00:38.29 | Mr_Rabies | plus an extremely long public beta cycle, it's just a lot of bad planning that's leading to lots of lost subs even in an expansion that has some really good overall ideas, great world design, and some great changes to the combat system |
| 00:39.37 | foxlit | lorewalker content was... disappointingly lame |
| 00:39.46 | Mr_Rabies | the bonus rolls system is awesome but it's tied in to the quagmire of daily questing (though progressively being removed from it as blizzard realizes the response to over-reliance on dailies for progression) |
| 00:40.27 | Mr_Rabies | i think the biggest focus now should be managing the low population problem because this is quickly becoming a downward spiral |
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| 00:40.48 | Semlar | i think they should merge every server |
| 00:41.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think they should effectively do that with CRZ/load balancing tech |
| 00:42.29 | Mr_Rabies | sharding would just be a vestigial part until it can be fully removed, with everything dynamically load balancing, trying to keep guilds, etc on the same virtual shard |
| 00:43.31 | Mr_Rabies | or at the least merge each region by servertype |
| 00:44.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a big fan of e-globalism :p |
| 00:45.18 | xyphoid | god i would have killed for that a few years ago |
| 00:45.47 | xyphoid | guess how many times i've rerolled fresh to play with new people because the previous lot stopped |
| 00:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i love CRZ friend-grouping |
| 00:46.59 | Semlar | i think blizzard likes charging people $25 per server transfer |
| 00:47.10 | Mr_Rabies | i think blizzard wants to move that way too eventually, but it's a big undertaking and unfortunately CRZ wasn't well received because it wasn't perfectly implemented and a large percentage of the playerbase hates any kind of change |
| 00:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 00:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think that's it at all semlar |
| 00:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | i think many people would sooner quit than transfer if those are their options |
| 00:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'd have to take all my alts with me because i've grown way too accustomed to having every profession (but blacksmithing) available at any moment |
| 00:48.22 | xyphoid | yeah it's the alts that hurt so much |
| 00:48.30 | Semlar | and that's why it's so profitable! |
| 00:48.40 | Mr_Rabies | i think low server population is a net loss to blizzard |
| 00:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they might get a $25 one-time fee from x% of the population |
| 00:49.12 | Mr_Rabies | but they lose y% of the population's $15-18 a month or whatever |
| 00:49.23 | VIad | Semlar: <3 |
| 00:49.33 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they make enough off of transfers for the monthly loss to be worth it |
| 00:50.07 | xyphoid | i clearly remember playing free realms or whatever the hell it was and at the login screen you did two things: choose a character, and choose a server to connect to |
| 00:50.20 | Mr_Rabies | i'd have to pay at least $150 to transfer everything i wanted, and that's if i wanted to stay on alliance |
| 00:50.32 | xyphoid | and it was welp. why can't i have this on WoW |
| 00:50.39 | VIad | given enough time, all pvp realms will become 99-1% Horde or Alliance |
| 00:50.43 | VIad | what will blizzard do? :P |
| 00:51.01 | VIad | people will just make new characters on realms where their faction is a majority |
| 00:51.34 | Mr_Rabies | wow's still running on databases that were designed over a decade ago, and your character's name is only required to be unique to the server |
| 00:52.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'd like to see a diablo 3-esque system were people can see part of your battletag (sans the numbers or whatever) AND your character and give up all uniqueness requirements for character names |
| 00:52.56 | VIad | doesn't make me feel so unique that way :p |
| 00:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with that |
| 00:53.02 | VIad | more like dime a dozen feeling |
| 00:53.15 | VIad | like all are robots that are easily replaced, no one really matters |
| 00:53.19 | Mr_Rabies | if your name is that common, truth is, you're not unique |
| 00:53.34 | Mr_Rabies | you've just deluded yourself into thinking you are |
| 00:53.46 | VIad | no but pre all this cross realm stuff, your avatar was the game version of you, more or less |
| 00:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with changing that for the sake of the overall health of the game |
| 00:55.02 | Mr_Rabies | for instance: i'm not unique, apparently my character is the nickname of a guy in a band that died or something: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=raybeez&f=wowcharacter |
| 00:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | also it's a sorta-phonetic spelling of a fairly common noun |
| 00:56.09 | foxlit | function UnitName() return "Bob" end |
| 00:56.20 | foxlit | s/Bob/Steve/ |
| 00:56.23 | foxlit | on second thought. |
| 00:56.34 | Semlar | *taints everything* |
| 00:57.56 | Mr_Rabies | taints everything is better than taints everywhere, i guess |
| 00:58.11 | foxlit | I don't think it's actually that bad. |
| 01:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | man i really hope getall scanning is fixed for 5.3 |
| 01:01.53 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't done any AHing hardly since 5.2 hit because i don't like waiting on a slow scan plus listing a gorillion things |
| 01:02.10 | Semlar | you only need to scan what you're listing |
| 01:02.33 | Mr_Rabies | assuming you're not comparing raw materials to manufactured goods, etc |
| 01:03.29 | Mr_Rabies | i've still got a whole bank tab full of trade goods i'll probably list once i sell more stuff or once getall scanning is fixed |
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| 01:04.06 | Mr_Rabies | i only listed about 600 auctions today |
| 01:04.45 | pompy | only. |
| 01:04.53 | Semlar | that is a tragedy |
| 01:04.57 | Mr_Rabies | i could easily have listed double that |
| 01:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 01:05.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just lazy |
| 01:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 01:05.28 | foxlit | have you considered abandoning WoW and switching to EVE? |
| 01:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | i usually don't have a lot of time to list them because i'm busy on my main, etc |
| 01:05.40 | foxlit | Fisker tells me it's a great interactive spreadsheet simulator. |
| 01:05.42 | Mr_Rabies | so i list once a month or so |
| 01:05.56 | Semlar | i listed 2 auctions today |
| 01:05.59 | xyphoid | eve is pretty cool |
| 01:06.24 | Mr_Rabies | i just use auctionator because i think TSM is a nightmare of bad ui design |
| 01:06.30 | xyphoid | i play it for like two hours a week, shoot some stuff, and when i play again i have levelled |
| 01:06.31 | Mr_Rabies | so it takes a while |
| 01:06.47 | Semlar | i use auctionlite |
| 01:06.50 | Mr_Rabies | and auctioneer is way too heavy for what i need |
| 01:07.10 | Mr_Rabies | auctionlite is pretty similar to auctionator from what i remember, but i preferred auctionator's implementation of a lot of things |
| 01:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | every now and then i get a hankering for something new so i try alternatives, i'm just glad there are alternatives |
| 01:09.22 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a bit worried that i'm gonna have to uninstall a lot of addons come 6.0 if the burnout rate doesn't slow down |
| 01:11.27 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could see a graph of my realm's population over time, but i don't think that's available anywhere, even with inferred numbers |
| 01:11.56 | Sharparam | publicly available* |
| 01:12.24 | Sharparam | hm |
| 01:12.30 | foxlit | is census data no longer collated? |
| 01:12.39 | Sharparam | is it possible to farm armory for all chars on a realm? |
| 01:12.43 | foxlit | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php |
| 01:13.18 | Mr_Rabies | no historical data there foxlit and my realm has incomplete data :| |
| 01:13.31 | Mr_Rabies | "There are too few Alliance and Horde entries for this realm to give reliable results! Please help today by submitting data for this realm! Find out more about how to help here!" |
| 01:14.16 | Semlar | my realm is 20% blood elf |
| 01:14.40 | Mr_Rabies | RP? |
| 01:14.50 | Semlar | yep |
| 01:15.06 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:16.27 | Semlar | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=841&factionid=-1&minlevel=90.&maxlevel=90&servertypeid=3 |
| 01:16.41 | foxlit | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/weeklyactivity.php?serverid=-1 |
| 01:18.39 | Mr_Rabies | that's taking an eerily long time to load for my realm |
| 01:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm worried D: |
| 01:20.25 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/weeklyactivity.php?serverid=93&factionid=3 |
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| 01:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | um.... i don't think that's accurate |
| 01:21.33 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.warcraftrealms.com/weeklyfactionactivity.php?serverid=93 |
| 01:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | weird for may to have a sudden rebound, but i'm guessing it's incomplete data's fault |
| 01:40.30 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/ps4-slogan-next-gen-xbox-name/ |
| 01:46.00 | bleeter | hard to get excited about new consoles |
| 01:46.23 | bleeter | *I find it... |
| 01:48.12 | Mr_Rabies | i'm interested in seeing what kind of new innovations we get |
| 01:48.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'd love for a decent media player on the next-gen consoles |
| 01:49.08 | Mr_Rabies | whoever makes a really truly full-featured htpc out of their console will make so much cash i think |
| 02:01.02 | bleeter | mmm steambox |
| 02:01.34 | bleeter | now if valve just ported steam to arm linux so we could run the smaller games on RPi's and BBB's |
| 02:09.47 | bleeter | ahaha "Game of Thrones S03E07 Arabic Subtitles Deleted nude Scenes" |
| 02:12.05 | Arrowmaster | guessing its just the normal version because it was censored in the middle east? |
| 02:12.35 | bleeter | shrugs |
| 02:13.00 | Arrowmaster | and im downloading ep8 already |
| 02:13.50 | bleeter | fwiw, I really enjoyed last week's ep of Veep |
| 02:14.02 | bleeter | ain't enjoyed US comedy that much since.... I can ever remember |
| 02:15.02 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I'll wait for you to confirm it's a bad torrent before trying :P |
| 02:15.22 | Arrowmaster | not torrenting it |
| 02:15.46 | bleeter | of course not! |
| 02:16.01 | bleeter | just messing with you :) |
| 03:05.46 | phelps | is there a way to add a tooltip to a chat line ? |
| 03:25.34 | Gnarfoz | you don't really think there's a "normal" "middle east version" of GoT, do you? (not that "middle east" is a country) |
| 03:26.09 | bleeter | I just liked how that sentence can be read two ways |
| 03:26.28 | bleeter | "Arabic Subtitled Deleted, nude scenes" or "Arabic Subtitles, Deleted nude scenes" |
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| 04:40.36 | Ackis | do I get anything special if I get my legendary meta gem before 5.3? |
| 04:42.44 | Ackis | hey Fisker is 5.3 live this week? |
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| 04:48.32 | jnwhiteh | will someone ping me when 5.3 comes out |
| 04:48.39 | jnwhiteh | anyoen know if I need to change clique or Tomtom? =) |
| 04:48.49 | jnwhiteh | i have been way too busy to do anything with it =/ |
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| 05:11.12 | kd3 | tuesday barring showstoppers |
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| 06:36.46 | Fisker | pls Ackis |
| 06:37.33 | bleeter | tackel hugs Fisker |
| 06:38.37 | Shirik | tackle hugs bleeter |
| 06:40.18 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:45.57 | karl_w_w | Ackis: a feeling of superiority |
| 06:46.46 | karl_w_w | a headstart on the next stage, assuming the drops don't hate you as much as they hate me |
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| 06:49.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:49.29 | Fisker | headset me |
| 06:55.09 | Fisker | headset me or die Shirik |
| 06:57.02 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:57.30 | Fisker | Gigabyte is supporting replacing the amp on the onboard sound |
| 06:57.40 | Fisker | on their new z87 mobo |
| 06:59.46 | bleeter | ? the new mobo is a bust from the factory? |
| 07:00.28 | Fisker | your mom is a bust |
| 07:01.45 | bleeter | yar |
| 07:02.01 | bleeter | but did you mean the z87 has a factory fault, or that it's upgradable? |
| 07:02.34 | Fisker | it's upgradable |
| 07:02.42 | bleeter | oh |
| 07:02.43 | bleeter | arse |
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| 07:03.07 | bleeter | because I was in a dickslapping contest with a guy yesterday about gigabyte boards and that would've been funny if it were a bust |
| 07:03.52 | karl_w_w | whats wrong with gigabyte boards? |
| 07:04.36 | karl_w_w | I've only ever used one gigabyte board and it keeps forgetting my ram clock speed |
| 07:05.02 | Maldivia | morning |
| 07:05.14 | bleeter | Maldivia: morning (ugt) |
| 07:05.37 | karl_w_w | on the plus side it's northbridge seems to be made of girders or something |
| 07:07.18 | karl_w_w | its* |
| 07:10.55 | Semlar | i have a gigabyte board and it is built like a tank |
| 07:12.43 | bleeter | drops an AGM-114 or two on Semlar's mobo |
| 07:13.17 | Semlar | :( |
| 07:13.23 | karl_w_w | yeah mine is pretty amazing, if only i didn't have to go into the bios every other time I restart |
| 07:13.45 | Semlar | i don't have that problem |
| 07:13.49 | karl_w_w | but that only really pans out to about once a fortnight so it's not the end of the world |
| 07:14.40 | karl_w_w | and the beeping when it forgets the clock speed freaks my dog out so that's always amusing |
| 07:14.59 | bleeter | my gigabyte forgets I want AHCI from time to time |
| 07:15.21 | Semlar | well have you checked that the battery on the board is actually any good |
| 07:15.22 | bleeter | not that I want AHCI from time to time, I want it all the time |
| 07:15.24 | bleeter | it just forgets |
| 07:15.48 | karl_w_w | comma after the "AHCI", bleeter ;) |
| 07:16.02 | bleeter | Semlar: all of them, yes |
| 07:16.46 | karl_w_w | it remembers my other settings |
| 07:16.58 | karl_w_w | so it can't be the battery surely |
| 07:17.16 | bleeter | karl_w_w: my thoughts too |
| 07:21.08 | karl_w_w | I have 7 hours to do 6 sections of lfr, 1 key loot run and earn 100 valor |
| 07:21.49 | Semlar | ignore the key run |
| 07:22.01 | karl_w_w | it's the best part! |
| 07:22.06 | karl_w_w | and it's only 5 minutes |
| 07:22.13 | Semlar | but not something you need to do before the time's up |
| 07:22.21 | karl_w_w | good point |
| 07:22.50 | Semlar | i would queue for the last lfr item on the list you can actually get something out of and probably also a dungeon unless you're a tank or a healer |
| 07:23.26 | Semlar | since you can probably get through a dungeon before lfr pops |
| 07:23.42 | Semlar | and that will give you valor |
| 07:23.57 | karl_w_w | 1 lfr run and the 100 additional valor is on 1 toon, everything else is on another |
| 07:24.15 | karl_w_w | so on the toon that needs valor I'll grind rares while in queue |
| 07:24.24 | karl_w_w | side note: you can do a scenario while in lfr queue |
| 07:24.32 | Semlar | rares drop like.. 15 valor don't they |
| 07:24.41 | karl_w_w | on the other toon, all the sections of lfr give me something |
| 07:24.45 | karl_w_w | yeah 15 |
| 07:25.03 | NuSuey | anybody know, what generation iPad will be supported to play Hearthstone? :P |
| 07:25.57 | Semlar | don't you have until tuesday though? |
| 07:26.11 | Semlar | or are you not going to have time today |
| 07:26.11 | karl_w_w | no |
| 07:26.26 | Maldivia | NuSuey: Mac/PC version isn't even there yet, and the iPad version will be after that |
| 07:26.28 | karl_w_w | on oceanic valor resets a day before raids |
| 07:26.41 | Semlar | oO |
| 07:26.41 | karl_w_w | along with weekly quests/world bosses etc |
| 07:26.55 | karl_w_w | yeah it's a real pain in the ass sometimes |
| 07:27.34 | karl_w_w | i keep meaning to make a suggestion or something to change it |
| 07:27.44 | karl_w_w | but I've given up trying to talk sense into blizzard |
| 07:28.32 | NuSuey | Maldivia: yeah. just searching if I could play it (after it's released) on my iPad (1gen) :) but I haven't found much info about that |
| 07:33.07 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:33.12 | Fisker | 9 days 14 hours and 30 minutes |
| 07:33.15 | Fisker | does that upset you? |
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| 09:16.37 | zenzelezz | always nice to come across a label (goto target) in code called "GhettoFix" |
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| 09:19.16 | xyphoid | zenzelezz: it's an asterix joke! oh wait :( |
| 09:19.17 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 09:19.28 | bluspacecow | or TempBandaidFix |
| 09:19.45 | zenzelezz | everyone knows error handling is best done through "On Error Resume Next" anyway |
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| 09:59.10 | Maldivia | don't know how much "handling" that is :) |
| 10:10.26 | zenzelezz | that was the point :-p |
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| 10:28.00 | VIad | I just learned what Johnny is a nickname for (thanks to wiki while searching for Johnny Mnemonic :P) |
| 10:29.40 | zenzelezz | of course that's what you were searching for *wink* |
| 10:30.30 | karl_w_w | VIad: Jonathan |
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| 10:31.18 | VIad | is Jonathan also a nickname for it? :P |
| 10:32.26 | zenzelezz | I haven't looked this up, but from the sound of it VIad is thinking of johnson |
| 10:32.53 | VIad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny (bottom) |
| 10:34.18 | Maldivia | that probably stems from John being slang for a sex customer |
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| 11:01.10 | karl_w_w | so i just tanked lfr elegon |
| 11:01.14 | karl_w_w | on my enhance shammy |
| 11:05.14 | stuf_ | pfft |
| 11:05.19 | stuf_ | don't be so picky |
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| 11:20.43 | p3lim | If I have a string like "1:3:145 1:2:119", how can I split it up by the space and have it act like pairs? |
| 11:21.39 | p3lim | Building a large database, prefer not to use a crapton of tables |
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| 11:34.18 | p3lim | found it, string.gmatch(str, '[%d%p]+') :) |
| 11:37.03 | Maldivia | or something like for k,v in string.gmatch("(.*) (.*)") do table[k] = v; end |
| 11:37.45 | haste | (%S+) (%S+) |
| 11:40.38 | p3lim | Neither will work for what I need, but thanks |
| 11:41.08 | Maldivia | well, you said split a string at the space and have it act like a pair :P |
| 11:41.20 | p3lim | act like the function pairs :) |
| 11:41.30 | Maldivia | ahh |
| 11:44.16 | Maldivia | so how are they paired? |
| 11:45.18 | p3lim | 1:1:11111 2:2:22222 3:3:33333 etc |
| 11:46.31 | zenzelezz | what do the values mean? |
| 11:46.44 | p3lim | classID:specID:itemID |
| 11:46.48 | Maldivia | well, if you want it to act like pairs(), you could look at http://lua-users.org/wiki/IteratorsTutorial for inspiration |
| 11:47.14 | p3lim | str:gmatch('[%d%p]+') works |
| 11:48.47 | Maldivia | why not match with (%d+):(%d+):(%d+), then you have all 3 values win one go |
| 11:48.55 | Maldivia | seperate that is |
| 11:49.24 | p3lim | Can be more or less data, hence the etc |
| 11:49.44 | p3lim | And I don't want them seperated like that |
| 11:50.00 | Maldivia | so it's not always classId:specId:itemId? |
| 11:50.04 | Maldivia | there are more options? |
| 11:51.07 | VIad | these string types are used in many places |
| 11:51.24 | p3lim | lua> for k,v in string.gmatch('1:2:12121 1:4:124124 1:5:12412', '(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)') do print('x'..k, v) end |
| 11:51.24 | lua_bot | p3lim: x1, 2, x1, 4, x1, 5 |
| 11:51.37 | p3lim | lua> for k,v in string.gmatch('1:2:12121 1:4:124124 1:5:12412', '[%d%p]+') do print('x'..k, v) end |
| 11:51.38 | lua_bot | p3lim: x1:2:12121, nil, x1:4:124124, nil, x1:5:12412, nil |
| 11:51.44 | Maldivia | lua> for c,s,i in ("1:3:145 1:2:119"):gmatch("(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)") do print(c,s,i) end |
| 11:51.45 | lua_bot | Maldivia: 1, 3, 145, 1, 2, 119 |
| 11:51.59 | VIad | wait now |
| 11:52.14 | VIad | the data is separated by spaces and in each part by colons? |
| 11:52.21 | p3lim | yes |
| 11:52.25 | VIad | then it's easy |
| 11:52.47 | VIad | gmatch with (%d+):(%d+):(%d+) should suffice |
| 11:53.41 | p3lim | Actually not a bad idea, considering that I need to split it up further anyways |
| 11:54.13 | Maldivia | lua> for c,s,i in ("1:3:145 1:2:119"):gmatch("(%d+):(%d+):(%d+)") do print(("[class: %d, spec: %d, item: %d]"):format(c,s,i)) end |
| 11:54.14 | lua_bot | Maldivia: [class: 1, spec: 3, item: 145], [class: 1, spec: 2, item: 119] |
| 11:54.18 | Maldivia | somethnig like that? |
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| 11:54.22 | p3lim | Yeah that works |
| 11:56.13 | VIad | p3lim you need regex advice? |
| 11:56.16 | VIad | I am surprised |
| 11:56.52 | p3lim | I'm a scrub :D |
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| 13:43.57 | Adys | Burglar caught after leaving fingerprints on Jaffa Cakes (digitalspy.co.uk) |
| 13:44.01 | Adys | british headlines. |
| 13:45.09 | zenzelezz | now that's just crazy |
| 13:45.14 | zenzelezz | who would leave behind Jaffa Cakes |
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| 14:04.44 | karl_w_w | oh |
| 14:05.00 | karl_w_w | he ates the jaffa cakes at the scene and left his prints on the box |
| 14:05.05 | karl_w_w | now that is understandable |
| 14:05.19 | karl_w_w | highly advisable even |
| 14:06.18 | pompy | http://avgclick.me/16JEWD9 |
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| 14:28.42 | p3lim | http://i.imgur.com/gk1Dk1U.png |
| 14:37.17 | Fisker | JAFFA CAKES CREE! |
| 14:37.28 | Fisker | stop pompy |
| 14:37.29 | Fisker | stop |
| 14:37.31 | Fisker | stahp |
| 14:49.21 | karl_w_w | purpose pompy? |
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| 15:20.26 | Adys | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/592f47f93b5a5d873eab02f80d8f76a9/tumblr_mlk8doyR3B1r2dc3bo1_1280.gif |
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| 16:58.55 | bluspacecow | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/25/worlds_oldest_working_computer/?utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferbba82 |
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| 17:41.38 | Sharparam | bah |
| 17:41.42 | Sharparam | *post facts* *get downvoted* |
| 17:42.21 | Ackis | http://penny-arcade.com/static/rainslick-giveaway Arrowmaster, pompy, and all the people who use steam, third episode of penny arcade for free |
| 17:42.47 | Sharparam | "Service Unavailable" |
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| 17:47.21 | Fisker | old Ackis |
| 17:47.32 | Fisker | 4RE88-AZJCB-MBBZR |
| 17:47.33 | Fisker | here's one |
| 17:47.37 | Fisker | i forgot i already had it |
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| 18:49.18 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 18:50.04 | nevcairiel | Adys: pong |
| 18:50.31 | Adys | nevcairiel: theres something weird going on with the pet bar in bartender |
| 18:50.46 | nevcairiel | feed your pet more, it will behave then |
| 18:50.59 | Adys | nevcairiel: with bar lock turned on, if I press a button, move to another and mouseup, the button Im currently under unlocks |
| 18:51.06 | Adys | currently over* |
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| 18:52.16 | Adys | nevcairiel: this only happens with the pet bar |
| 18:52.24 | Adys | well with my water elem anyway |
| 18:52.50 | nevcairiel | the pet bar is special, it uses blizzards button templates, probably some weirdness in their stuff |
| 18:52.57 | whyzerman | anyone know what "Override HealBot_Options_EnablePlayerFrame if found to avoid player frame showing using healbot" means? I use both HB and Xperl and I like both to be operational at the same time. Just wondering if mommy and daddy are fighting now |
| 18:53.19 | Stanzilla | uninstall both, both are crap |
| 18:53.21 | Stanzilla | problem solved |
| 18:53.43 | whyzerman | how do you figure (lately HB has been crap, but xperl is fine) |
| 18:55.53 | whyzerman | at least for the purposes I use them for (healing and showing raid/party frames) |
| 18:56.54 | Sharparam | you have multiple raid frames? |
| 18:57.12 | whyzerman | yes |
| 18:57.23 | Sharparam | why |
| 18:57.38 | TC-work | Real men use more than one. |
| 18:57.53 | whyzerman | because one doesnt give me the functionality I want |
| 18:57.55 | Stanzilla | xperl probably has the oldest and shittiest code in the universe |
| 18:57.56 | Sharparam | real men have 10% of the screen showing game world? |
| 18:58.06 | Stanzilla | is not really maintained and if so, only by retards (look at the commit logs) |
| 18:58.19 | whyzerman | so does windows stanzilla |
| 18:59.30 | whyzerman | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD4Au9UIa38 <-- thats my UI Sharparam |
| 19:00.42 | Primer | horrible |
| 19:00.57 | Sharparam | so. many. unit. frames. |
| 19:01.50 | whyzerman | works for me - its clean, keeps shit out of the center of the screen |
| 19:03.28 | Primer | whyzerman: I'm just giving you shit. I get that all the time |
| 19:03.34 | Primer | and I feel the same way |
| 19:04.30 | whyzerman | yeah I tried ElvUI and I just couldnt get used to it, my UI has been the same since I started playing in LK believe it or not |
| 19:04.34 | Sharparam | not that my UI is wonderful: http://i.imgur.com/hTA3gpb.jpg |
| 19:04.35 | Primer | My ui has a lot of things many "purists" don't like, so they give me crap |
| 19:04.45 | Sharparam | but i can't imagine using duplicate raid frames :O |
| 19:06.17 | whyzerman | there isnt anything duplicated though - xperl acts as my raid frames when im not healing, and healbot is just something I have enabled to heal - doesnt show me party/raid buffs and SpartanUI I use for the action bar management (their party and raid frames are worse then SWTORS) |
| 19:06.31 | Primer | yeah, I could tell you were clicking... |
| 19:06.54 | whyzerman | yeah, im trying to get out of that habit lol |
| 19:07.02 | Primer | I've never liked healbot |
| 19:07.15 | Primer | I prefer mouseover macros |
| 19:07.33 | Primer | http://www.twitch.tv/barfolomeu/b/405447589?t=1h17m40s that's what my bad UI looks like |
| 19:07.43 | Primer | but then I was DPS there |
| 19:07.52 | Primer | still, I use the same UI to heal |
| 19:08.51 | whyzerman | the problem with macros though is you are limited, like on my priest I use mouseover macros - and I have no room for any other macros |
| 19:09.27 | Primer | which is why many have made it to the general side |
| 19:09.32 | whyzerman | brb |
| 19:09.33 | Primer | I have zero macro space |
| 19:10.14 | Primer | The one thing I have that's redundant is the Quartz dot timers and my weakauras |
| 19:10.40 | Primer | I should probably do away with the Quartz display, to free up that mid area some more |
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| 19:12.13 | Primer | twitch doesn't seem to be delivering that video as fast as I can consume it |
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| 19:15.08 | whyzerman | Primer what resolution do you run at? cause that looked kinda cramped lol |
| 19:15.27 | Primer | 1920x1200 |
| 19:15.35 | Primer | which is my LCD's native resolution |
| 19:15.52 | Primer | I suppose I could scale things down a bit |
| 19:16.31 | whyzerman | recount just looks big compared to your target frame |
| 19:16.45 | Primer | Skada |
| 19:17.03 | Primer | Recount can't show both healing and damage at the same time |
| 19:17.15 | Primer | at least not the last time I tried it, which I confess, was quite a while ago |
| 19:17.56 | whyzerman | nah, recount does let you pop out real time raid HPS and raid DPS though (as well as a single persons current DPS) |
| 19:18.16 | whyzerman | thought it was recount because it looks nearly the same |
| 19:19.30 | whyzerman | the way I see it, you really dont need to see individual numbers until after a wipe, and if you need to watch healing or DPS closely, you can just keep that tab active |
| 19:21.43 | whyzerman | lol loving that flying HUD though |
| 19:21.52 | Primer | I wrote that |
| 19:21.59 | whyzerman | thats awesome |
| 19:22.05 | Primer | FlightHUD on curse |
| 19:22.32 | Primer | Except recount can't show me what Skada is doing there, AFAIK |
| 19:23.04 | whyzerman | what do you mean? |
| 19:23.04 | Primer | i.e. both healing and aborbs AND damage, in separate displays |
| 19:23.47 | whyzerman | yeah, absorbs are bunched in with healing now in recount |
| 19:24.20 | Primer | right |
| 19:24.35 | whyzerman | they have a seperate tab specifically for absorbs, but those numbers are now counted in total healing done |
| 19:24.50 | Primer | I was told by a friend that Skada is doubling up abosrb counts. Can anyone confirm this? |
| 19:25.56 | whyzerman | did you guys upload logs for that ji-kun kill last night? |
| 19:26.05 | Primer | That paladin sure is doing a lot of healing... |
| 19:26.08 | Primer | yes |
| 19:26.17 | whyzerman | if so just check those against what skada says that pally did |
| 19:26.25 | Primer | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/00pdkwfo2li6z565/ |
| 19:26.39 | Primer | and yes, that was our first kill...we've had really bad attendance issues |
| 19:26.42 | whyzerman | but on Ji-Kun is the perfect fight for disc/holy pallys |
| 19:26.48 | Primer | having to pug 3 people a week some times |
| 19:26.50 | whyzerman | and we usually 2 heal it |
| 19:28.27 | whyzerman | cant really tell from Ji-Kun because whoever uploaded the logs would have had to be on the main platform and the pally would have had to be on the main platform, but it looks like the numbers are almost doubled |
| 19:28.49 | whyzerman | 17m healing/absorbs according to WoL and 29m according to skada |
| 19:29.17 | Primer | yeah, something's definitely wrong :) |
| 19:29.39 | Primer | the pally was with the egg group most of the time |
| 19:30.16 | Primer | So this is another fight where the person logging doesn't see heals/DPS from people that are farther away? |
| 19:30.31 | whyzerman | yeah - it catches some, just not all |
| 19:32.38 | whyzerman | http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/v832uucxdsbevvl0/sum/healingDone/?s=7277&e=7665 <-- Drbandaid was solo healing the main platform, I was healing the nest team - Drbandaid did about double the healing I did but according to WoL (I uploaded them) he only did like 24k HPS |
| 19:33.19 | Primer | heh, out paladin must be healing his ass off then to come up on top |
| 19:33.25 | Primer | s/out/our/ |
| 19:35.24 | whyzerman | yeah, if you look at the graph of the healing done on the ji-kun kill I linked, it shows that from about 00:49-00:51 Drbandaid flatlines (does no healing) |
| 19:36.08 | Primer | I was looking at the damage from our raid and noticed substantial flat lines for our egg team |
| 19:36.19 | Primer | I can't imagine it was taking them that long to fly around |
| 19:38.29 | Gnarfoz | didn't read everything, just seeing that you're discussing ji-kun combatlogs: you realize the combatlog does not report stuff for the nests when you're on the platform and vice versa? |
| 19:38.42 | Primer | we do |
| 19:38.45 | Gnarfoz | kk |
| 19:38.49 | Primer | that's exactly what we're discussing |
| 19:38.58 | Gnarfoz | (neither do Skada or Recount, obviously) |
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| 19:42.21 | whyzerman | ugh |
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| 19:42.40 | whyzerman | are the PTR servers still up? |
| 19:42.54 | whyzerman | I never checked to see if my addon was broke on the PTR or not |
| 19:44.17 | kd3 | they are |
| 19:44.23 | whyzerman | k |
| 19:45.32 | whyzerman | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/644378_521213014600621_1101979755_n.jpg |
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| 19:49.07 | Primer | ffmpeg fails to trim a flv video...sigh... |
| 19:49.28 | Primer | I downloaded the whole twitch video, but wanted to just get the ji-kun kill |
| 19:49.59 | whyzerman | are you going to upload it to youtube? |
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| 19:50.17 | whyzerman | if so just highlight the kill, then upload the highlight to youtube and edit from there |
| 19:50.31 | whyzerman | (thats what I did with that durumu kill) |
| 19:52.26 | whyzerman | trys to test a gathering addon..copies a character with no gathering professions :/ |
| 19:52.32 | Primer | not sure what you mean |
| 19:52.34 | Primer | "highlight" |
| 19:52.53 | Primer | ok, you mean upload the entire video to YT first |
| 19:53.25 | Primer | I'm doing this remotely via CLI, as I don't have the bandwidth to download the full video here to work |
| 19:53.25 | whyzerman | ok goto your past broadcast. underneath there is a gear icon |
| 19:53.44 | Primer | ohh never noticed this |
| 19:53.49 | whyzerman | click that gear icon and click highlight |
| 19:54.09 | whyzerman | then you just gotta figure out when you want to start and stop the highlight |
| 19:55.06 | whyzerman | once thats done, type in the description/title/etc, then create, then you can upload that highlight to youtube straight from twitch (no downloading involved) |
| 19:55.38 | Semlar | is wowhead broken or just me |
| 19:55.59 | Semlar | it isn't loading like any of the comments or anything |
| 19:56.02 | whyzerman | working for me |
| 19:56.17 | Primer | whyzerman: yup, done. Thanks. |
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| 20:49.09 | kd3 | oof, OKC just got nailed... for the second day in a row? |
| 21:06.32 | zenzelezz | OKC? |
| 21:06.40 | kd3 | oklahoma city |
| 21:06.54 | kd3 | massive, massive tornado. at least ef-4 damage. hit a few schools |
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| 21:17.29 | whyzerman | wait, a tornado hit a city smack dab in the middle of "tornado alley"? |
| 21:18.26 | whyzerman | (I dont mean to sound insensitive, calling a buddy that lives in OKC to see if he is ok) |
| 21:27.48 | A-KO | I'm waiting for the videos |
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| 21:41.29 | bleeter | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/934680_659951830700940_241548057_n.jpg |
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| 22:09.35 | Ackis | If I buy a piece of valor gear and log out, do I still have the "2 hours" to turn it back in when I log in? |
| 22:09.45 | smcn | should yes |
| 22:10.02 | smcn | it only ticks down in-game |
| 22:10.35 | Ackis | now the question is, do I care about the game that much to "cheat" the valor system |
| 22:10.49 | Primer | yes |
| 22:11.05 | TC-work | What exactly are you cheating? |
| 22:11.19 | Unkle | I totally did it the other day. I bought a piece of gear to put me into an LFR, did the LFR and returned the item. |
| 22:12.05 | Ackis | yeah but I'm trying to do it so I get an extra 500-600 valor for tomorrow 5.3 day |
| 22:22.50 | whyzerman | Ackis I think the valor you get back would go against your valor cap for the next week wouldnt it? |
| 22:23.12 | whyzerman | nvm - im semi-retarded right now, its 92 degrees in my apartment |
| 22:23.25 | Ackis | semi? ;) |
| 22:23.36 | whyzerman | yeah |
| 22:24.04 | whyzerman | i'll be better once I watch the wings beat the blackhawks |
| 22:24.34 | Unkle | That's always a good time. The Blackhawks are a bruiser of a team. |
| 22:25.06 | whyzerman | yeah, I love watching these 2 teams play |
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| 22:25.55 | Unkle | I'm a Capitals fan, but the Redwings have a special place in my heart too. |
| 22:26.27 | Ackis | I'm an Oilers fan :( |
| 22:26.47 | Unkle | Take off you Hoser, eh. |
| 22:26.57 | Ackis | what aboot it eh? |
| 22:27.18 | Unkle | You're goona havta bring the beer, ok? Labatts. |
| 22:28.14 | Ackis | damn straight.. american beer is like screwing in a canoe |
| 22:28.27 | Unkle | It's fucking close to water. |
| 22:28.31 | Ackis | FINALLY |
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| 22:29.16 | Unkle | Depends on the state - some beer is more alcoholic than others. |
| 22:31.59 | Unkle | Ackis: Many years ago I went to the Hockey Hall of Fame. Good times. |
| 22:32.08 | Ackis | it's a wicked place |
| 22:32.11 | Ackis | was the cup there? |
| 22:32.58 | Unkle | Yeah. It was the 98 or 99 - when the Cpas missed the cup by a narrow margin. I bought a replica cup for my office. |
| 22:34.14 | Ackis | last time I was there they had the lucky looney up for display and you could touch it |
| 22:35.18 | Unkle | It's silly, but I waited in line a long time to take shots at the goalie in the exhibit. I had to wait for a lot of kids to go first. |
| 22:37.19 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: what you want to do does not work, the timers are wiped during maintenance. |
| 22:37.28 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. you won't be able to return the item) |
| 22:38.47 | VIad | hello friends! |
| 22:38.53 | Humbedooh | hi! |
| 22:39.22 | VIad | whats happening, Humbedooh? |
| 22:39.33 | VIad | any problems need solving? |
| 22:39.41 | Humbedooh | no no, the fire has been put out :) |
| 22:40.07 | Humbedooh | 's building was on fire a few days ago |
| 22:40.09 | VIad | I shall reignite the fire in your heart once more, Humbedooh! Let me inside! |
| 22:40.21 | Humbedooh | no more fire for now, please :) |
| 22:40.28 | Humbedooh | had to vacate the premises for three days :| |
| 22:40.30 | VIad | you live in an appartment or? |
| 22:40.33 | Humbedooh | yup |
| 22:40.35 | VIad | hmm |
| 22:40.46 | VIad | was some neighbor the cause? |
| 22:41.04 | Humbedooh | I think the weather was the cause - t'was hot and sunny |
| 22:41.12 | Humbedooh | and someones balcony caught on fire |
| 22:41.13 | VIad | is there any form of insurance so your building can be rebuilt? |
| 22:41.23 | Humbedooh | my apartment is fine :) |
| 22:41.37 | VIad | but still, the integrity of the structure can't be that good :/ |
| 22:42.06 | Humbedooh | not my problem ;p it was in an apartment on the same floor but a few doors down |
| 22:42.27 | Humbedooh | we lost water and electricity, but apart from that, nothing in my apartment was hurt by it |
| 22:42.44 | Humbedooh | I did manage to get some cool photos of the firetrucks tho! |
| 22:42.55 | VIad | I feel sorry for the people affected |
| 22:43.08 | Humbedooh | yeah, I hope their insurance covers it |
| 22:43.12 | VIad | I hope they get financial aid to fix it |
| 22:43.36 | Humbedooh | they weren't home when it happened, so the firemen had to use a crane and go in through the burning balcony thingy |
| 22:44.42 | Humbedooh | although, I suppose even if they were home, they'd gone that route ;D |
| 22:45.46 | VIad | been coding anything lately then, Humbedooh? |
| 22:46.54 | Humbedooh | I've been rewriting an IRC bot from scratch |
| 22:47.17 | Humbedooh | (in Lua of course!) |
| 22:47.31 | VIad | what does this bot do? |
| 22:48.29 | Humbedooh | oh what doesn't it do :) it's like Repo in #wowace, but also has meeting recording, JIRA/Bugzilla integration, Jenkins integration, and lots and lots of other stuff |
| 22:48.46 | Humbedooh | it's something we use a lot in the ASF |
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| 22:50.49 | VIad | Humbedooh: you've played Tropico4? |
| 22:51.01 | Humbedooh | hmm, I think I have, yes |
| 22:51.17 | Humbedooh | don't think I finished it tho' |
| 22:52.11 | Humbedooh | but I do remember it being fun :) |
| 22:52.17 | VIad | it seems so! |
| 22:52.24 | VIad | initially finding it more fun than simcity5 |
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| 23:11.19 | TC-work | I now have 8 Dota2 invites....doesn't everyone that wanted it have it already? |
| 23:11.35 | VIad | I have over 20 invites, anyone wanna invite their school class? |
| 23:14.03 | Tuller | pants |
| 23:15.18 | TC-work | Thank you Tuller, as helpful as always. |
| 23:15.30 | Tuller | it's what i do |
| 23:15.52 | TC-work | When the Fiskers away, the Tuller will play. |
| 23:18.35 | Stanzilla | are us servers down already? |
| 23:18.46 | Tuller | i hope not |
| 23:18.50 | VIad | US does patches on tuesdays? |
| 23:18.54 | VIad | EU does them on wednesdays |
| 23:18.55 | Tuller | yes |
| 23:19.12 | Stanzilla | ~wowalert |
| 23:19.12 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 23:26.37 | pompy | http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/18/4343382/technical-illusions-valve-augmented-reality-glasses-jeri-ellsworth-rick-johnson |
| 23:28.01 | VIad | not sure how to feel |
| 23:37.20 | TC-work | holy crap our internal network is taking a massive shit. I'm transferring a file at ~100KB/s. |
| 23:40.08 | bleeter | TC-work: TC-work time to break out RFC 2549 |
| 23:40.24 | pompy | The Oklahoma tornado today was insane, so much destruction. :\ |
| 23:40.40 | TC-work | bleeter: that is going to make a mess indoors. |
| 23:41.11 | bleeter | TC-work: think of the methane power that can be generated |
| 23:43.20 | TC-work | bleeter: you say power, I say stench. |
| 23:43.34 | bleeter | TC-work: most workplaces aready stink |
| 23:44.12 | bleeter | and at ~100KB/s, I'd say your workplace reeks |
| 23:49.51 | TC-work | bleeter: yea, 2 of our Avere caches died and it's hosing the network until we can take them out of the loop. |
| 23:50.07 | TC-work | Which is still going to get slower overall |
| 23:53.03 | bleeter | "Avere Systems develops NAS Optimization solutions that leverage the performance benefits of Flash" ... |
| 23:54.06 | TC-work | That's for web stuff, we use ours exclusively for backend internal files. |
| 23:54.41 | TC-work | although I am currently up to 5MB/s now, totally flying. |
