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| 00:11.34 | kd3 | ugh, as if we haven't dealt with enough this week. now the Mississippi's about to flood |
| 00:15.44 | Thunder_Child | Interesting. Amazon's add-on items count towards themselves. |
| 00:20.31 | ccox | kd3 - the mississippi floods every spring |
| 00:20.44 | ccox | kd3: the question is always: how much will it flood, and where? |
| 00:21.02 | ccox | (and it is impressive to see a river that's over a mile across and flowing fast) |
| 00:48.43 | kd3 | hm, zac's comic today is a good one: http://magicalgametime.com/post/48470399171 |
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| 01:14.54 | kd3 | in other news, it's possible to break baseball: http://espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/stark_jayson/id/9193265/baserunning-adventures-milwaukee-brewers-shortstop-jean-segura |
| 01:44.55 | Adys | youtube-viewer is neat but damn it |
| 01:45.27 | Adys | why do i need to install 15 perl libs for it... |
| 01:46.12 | Adys | cant there be a simple shell script that does it with youtube-dl and mplayer |
| 01:46.13 | Adys | grm |
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| 02:30.19 | Dagmar | Because perl libs are like the individual pieces of a 500-piece jigsaw puzzle |
| 02:30.36 | Dagmar | ...or maybe Doritos. |
| 02:31.10 | Dagmar | If perl has been invoked, doing it in shell would be *anything* but simple. |
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| 02:38.00 | Cairenn | alestane: :p |
| 02:38.51 | alestane | It wasn't enough to say it on Facebook? |
| 02:39.04 | Cairenn | Nope :p |
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| 03:25.15 | Arrowmaster | i seem to have a problem sticking with one ringtone, i changed it to the bastion theme a few weeks ago and i just changed it to the angel beats opening song just now |
| 03:26.21 | Arrowmaster | still cant find a decent notification alarm though |
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| 03:48.25 | Dagmar | I just use the little servant bell |
| 03:53.06 | Seerah | my notification sound is "Hey, Listen!" |
| 03:54.05 | Dagmar | I can't think of a better way to someday smash my phone to bits |
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| 04:42.50 | foreplay | how do you determine if loot is gold/silver/copper now if LootSlotIsCoin() is no longer a function |
| 04:49.04 | Torhal | foreplay: local slot_type = GetLootSlotType(loot_slot) |
| 04:49.19 | Torhal | if slot_type == LOOT_SLOT_MONEY then DoStuff() end |
| 05:27.56 | Mr_Rabies | my notification sound is the ring sound from sonic |
| 05:28.11 | Mr_Rabies | and my ringtone is the drowning sound from sonic 2+3 |
| 05:28.17 | Mr_Rabies | er, music |
| 05:28.28 | Mr_Rabies | so i have a natural tendency to answer it asap |
| 05:28.38 | Mr_Rabies | it plays the drowning sound when it goes to voicemail :v |
| 05:42.15 | karl_w_w | haha that is good |
| 05:44.07 | Kraps | " In my head, I have a mental image of this guy riding around someone's backward on a boat, while the police yell at each other to keep the microphone clear, as if they're fighting a really complicated World Of Warcraft boss that they've never killed before." |
| 05:45.36 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies I think the sound when you lose your rings would be a good alarm as well |
| 05:45.55 | Mr_Rabies | my alarm is an alarm clock |
| 05:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | because you will hate your alarm no matter what |
| 05:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | might as well make it an alarm clock sound |
| 05:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | well, digital alarm clock |
| 05:46.41 | Mr_Rabies | alternative option: leonard nimoy from civ 4 going "beep. beep. beep. beep." |
| 05:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | or I GOT PIG IRON, I GOT ALLLLL PIG IRON |
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| 06:31.17 | Primer | oh WTF |
| 06:31.39 | Primer | Queue for BG while in a raid...AckisRecipeList has been blocked bla bla bla... |
| 06:32.21 | Humbedooh | blames that damned Ackis |
| 06:33.29 | karl_w_w | damned Ackis! |
| 06:36.43 | Humbedooh | ye! |
| 06:36.53 | Humbedooh | him and his crabbies |
| 06:38.56 | Semlar | ackis has crabs? |
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| 06:40.55 | Humbedooh | Semlar: he used to at least |
| 06:41.05 | Humbedooh | dunno if they all died or what |
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| 07:41.14 | Torhal | Primer: o.O |
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| 07:42.20 | Torhal | O.o |
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| 15:17.57 | teraleon | Is there a straightforward way to count function returning as strings? I'd like to count the returns of UnitGroupRolesAssigned(unit) |
| 15:18.14 | teraleon | (in a macro) |
| 15:20.44 | Gnarfoz | you changed your nick /again/? :P |
| 15:20.55 | Gnarfoz | (and I'm not sure what you mean) |
| 15:21.22 | teraleon | Uhm, yes I changed my nick :P |
| 15:22.35 | teraleon | I would like to, for each raid member, perform a role query (UnitGroupRolesAssigned(unit)), and count the returns ("TANK","HEALER","DPS","NONE") |
| 15:22.58 | Semlar | you want the number of returns from a function? |
| 15:23.04 | teraleon | Yes |
| 15:23.11 | teraleon | Well |
| 15:23.15 | teraleon | The different returns |
| 15:23.26 | Semlar | the number of unique returns? |
| 15:23.29 | teraleon | 2 tanks, 4 healers, etc |
| 15:23.39 | Semlar | oh |
| 15:24.08 | Semlar | i would make a table using the keys of the role and increment them as you go down the list of members |
| 15:26.27 | teraleon | thanks for the tip - I'll see if I can work with it and fit it in a macro |
| 15:31.50 | Semlar | something like this teraleon? http://pastebin.com/MP3BBvv0 |
| 15:32.25 | Semlar | and then i guess at the end loop over the roles table and print out the values |
| 15:32.37 | Semlar | might have to cut it down to fit in a macro |
| 15:33.25 | teraleon | yes! thanks |
| 15:34.26 | Semlar | for role, n in pairs(roles) do print(role, n) end should print out the results |
| 15:34.56 | teraleon | copied and writing in - I'm a slow coder |
| 15:35.03 | teraleon | but thanks so much |
| 15:35.04 | Semlar | but it's probably too long for a normal macro |
| 15:35.21 | Semlar | let me see how long it is with everything renamed |
| 15:35.30 | Gnarfoz | the pastebin is 212 chars |
| 15:35.33 | Gnarfoz | so it's almost fine |
| 15:36.10 | teraleon | (I'd like to announce the results too in instance chat |
| 15:36.19 | teraleon | and tell people to choose their role) |
| 15:36.27 | teraleon | but it's loads hehe |
| 15:36.35 | Gnarfoz | why not simply trigger the role check? |
| 15:36.56 | teraleon | multiple different reasons |
| 15:37.14 | teraleon | there's for 1 that people will be annoyed at a constant rolecheck at a nalak/galleon/sha raid |
| 15:37.23 | Simca | <-- me |
| 15:37.37 | teraleon | another is that rolechecking doesn't work in BGs |
| 15:37.52 | Simca | no longer true in 5.3 |
| 15:38.00 | teraleon | hu - ooh! |
| 15:38.03 | Gnarfoz | that, and why would you role check at world bosses |
| 15:38.15 | Gnarfoz | also, they can be annoyed all they want :D |
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| 15:38.18 | Simca | to know how many healers you have and such |
| 15:38.19 | teraleon | because I don't want to run with 1 tank, 39 dps :P |
| 15:38.25 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/4xc8qLKD this should be short enough without actually changing anything |
| 15:38.36 | Semlar | i'm sure you could change the whole UnitExists thing to something else |
| 15:38.36 | nevcairiel | do people even group up much at world bosses anymore? :p |
| 15:39.04 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: of course, for healing etc |
| 15:39.11 | Simca | yes, most do, but there are always a few stragglers |
| 15:39.32 | teraleon | thanks semlar <3 |
| 15:39.33 | Simca | healing is a massive pain without raid frames of any kind and I don't know of any addon that incorporates all nearby friendlies into their own set of frames |
| 15:39.44 | Simca | though it should be possible to make one i guess |
| 15:39.55 | nevcairiel | its basically impossible to show frames without being grouped |
| 15:39.58 | Semlar | oh, add /run to the very beginning of that for a macro |
| 15:40.07 | teraleon | -5 characters |
| 15:41.22 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/ytJg3YUL this is short enough for a macro |
| 15:41.35 | Semlar | it's 202 characters |
| 15:42.11 | teraleon | I have had a thought before about an addon that automatically updates roles as people change their specializations (and new people join the raid) but that requires inspecting, apparently |
| 15:42.23 | Semlar | yes |
| 15:42.36 | Semlar | it would have to inspect the entire raid |
| 15:42.46 | Simca | I'm not sure |
| 15:42.51 | Simca | I thought that changed in 5.0.4 |
| 15:42.59 | Semlar | to get someone's talents? |
| 15:43.02 | Simca | with the new GetTalentSpecialization thing |
| 15:43.32 | bluipodcow | *noms Semlar* |
| 15:43.52 | Semlar | nibbles bluipodcow's ear |
| 15:43.53 | teraleon | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetInspectSpecialization |
| 15:46.18 | Simca | not sure how that differs from the old one - http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetTalentInfo |
| 15:46.43 | Semlar | this returns information about a talent tab |
| 15:47.30 | Sharparam | teraleon: and this would announce to instance chat: https://gist.github.com/Sharparam/67cd48642358a9c4a131 |
| 15:48.02 | Simca | ah, so they just essentially renamed the function to something else in Mists and made the old named function do something different |
| 15:48.49 | Simca | explains why the 5.0.4 api changes page tries to link to http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=API_GetTalentInfo_(Mists)&action=edit&redlink=1 |
| 15:49.22 | Simca | though i'll actually just fix that lol |
| 15:49.24 | Semlar | well, i guess talents and specializations are different now |
| 15:50.05 | Semlar | talents don't tell you about a person's role |
| 15:50.15 | Simca | yeah, at least they had a reason for the function renaming |
| 15:50.21 | Simca | unlike some other times |
| 15:50.56 | Simca | out of the ~20 different functions using the word "PetID", they renamed 2 of them to use the term "PetGUID" |
| 15:51.10 | Simca | even though they're all using GUIDs after 5.1 |
| 15:53.48 | Simca | some funny shenanagins you can do on the PTR with pet battles as a result of lazy coding - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7810522157 |
| 16:01.12 | teraleon | Alliance as incompetent as always :( |
| 16:01.20 | teraleon | Looking - thanks! |
| 16:02.48 | bluipodcow | Lol simca |
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| 16:07.40 | teraleon | Whups, 650 pets aren't enough? |
| 16:08.35 | Simca | not when you have access to ~300 tamer and developer-only pets |
| 16:10.26 | teraleon | Hehe |
| 16:10.42 | teraleon | Incarnation is considered a druid form :o |
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| 16:14.46 | Adys | Maldivia: have you been watching the recent dw eps? |
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| 16:34.13 | bluipodcow | How does one exit a vehicle via a macro these days ? |
| 16:34.45 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.02 | Adys | does anyone know of a way to get something like this on zsh: http://i.imgur.com/Ku000cu.png (this is fish) |
| 16:37.05 | Adys | Arrowmaster maybe? :P |
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| 17:06.12 | Semlar | Message: WTF\Account\...\SavedVariables\Recount.lua:396267: unexpected symbol near '<eof>' |
| 17:06.56 | Semlar | ... |
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| 17:12.18 | TC-work | Fix it then Semlar.....Geez. |
| 17:13.17 | Shirik | Semlar: Make a more expected symbol near the EOF |
| 17:14.09 | TC-work | They don't have a shit symbol |
| 17:15.20 | Shirik | huh |
| 17:15.29 | Shirik | I sold a bunch of stuff to this store by mailing to them |
| 17:15.48 | Shirik | apparently I sent one extra, and they were cool enough to notice, update my order, and send me the additional $ |
| 17:15.58 | Shirik | I wouldn't even have known |
| 17:16.28 | TC-work | It's just good customer service. Are you more likely to go to them again? |
| 17:16.46 | Shirik | probably :P |
| 17:17.04 | TC-work | See. Companies with forethought do far better. |
| 17:17.33 | TC-work | At the moment Amazon is the king of it. And they are doing quite well because of it. |
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| 17:26.10 | Arrowmaster | Adys: yes theres a zsh script for it |
| 17:26.17 | Adys | linllink |
| 17:26.24 | Adys | link* |
| 17:27.02 | Arrowmaster | https://github.com/zsh-users/zsh-syntax-highlighting |
| 17:27.07 | Arrowmaster | is one of them |
| 17:27.10 | Arrowmaster | there are multiple |
| 17:27.21 | Shirik | I have a better idea |
| 17:27.23 | Shirik | use fish |
| 17:28.22 | Arrowmaster | so i finally finished bioshock infinite since the spoilers were getting harder to avoid, wow |
| 17:29.05 | TC-work | I'll play that once it goes on sale.....maybe |
| 17:30.06 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: avoid the spoilers, might get harder as time goes on but its worth avoiding them |
| 17:30.18 | TC-work | I haven't had an issue yet. |
| 17:30.55 | TC-work | Even after watching Yahtzee's review of it. |
| 17:33.39 | Maldivia | Adys: behind on the last two |
| 17:33.50 | Adys | Maldivia: let me know if its any good |
| 17:34.30 | Maldivia | :P |
| 17:34.44 | Maldivia | Adys: like the one the reintroduced the new companion |
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| 17:36.43 | Shirik | is it actually good? |
| 17:36.45 | Shirik | Arrowmaster |
| 17:37.16 | Arrowmaster | ...... |
| 17:37.18 | Arrowmaster | YES |
| 17:37.35 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:37.39 | Fisker | have you played papers please? |
| 17:37.44 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 17:37.45 | Shirik | no |
| 17:37.50 | Fisker | terrible |
| 17:39.45 | kd3 | Finally: 'bottled water' with 7 percent alcohol content |
| 17:39.53 | kd3 | http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20130421-NEWS-304210351 |
| 17:40.28 | Arrowmaster | redirected to a 'disable noscript' page |
| 17:41.25 | kd3 | http://pastebin.com/jgvrFsz5 |
| 17:42.25 | kd3 | and the image that goes with the article: http://imgur.com/aBgbM6s |
| 17:43.18 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 17:43.23 | kd3 | hm? |
| 17:43.27 | Fisker | i got spam from someone called kd3@somedomain |
| 17:43.56 | kd3 | news to me. my email is 100% organic home-grown ham |
| 17:44.19 | Fisker | cool |
| 17:44.51 | karl_w_w | finally got the achieve for 2 level 90s |
| 17:45.46 | karl_w_w | funny part is i wouldnt have bothered to level my alt if it wasnt a side-effect of levelling pets |
| 17:48.24 | karl_w_w | downside is im not level 90 with a dragon soul ilvl so i cant even get into scenarios |
| 17:48.28 | karl_w_w | im now* |
| 17:48.42 | karl_w_w | and i truly cannot be bothered doing those 5.0 dailies |
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| 17:58.18 | Semlar | pvp gear |
| 17:59.02 | Semlar | i've been 90 for 2 weeks and have a 497 item level |
| 18:01.33 | karl_w_w | oh lame, i dont even have any points saved up |
| 18:01.45 | karl_w_w | 500 justice and 300 honor |
| 18:02.22 | Semlar | you might have a hard time killing anything on the isle of thunder anyway |
| 18:03.48 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure there's a crafted boe set of pvp gear that's like 458 to get you started |
| 18:04.58 | Semlar | and then if you can turn justice from heroics into honor you can buy the 476 pvp gear |
| 18:05.42 | Semlar | what level do you need to start queueing for heroics? |
| 18:07.19 | JTF195 | 458 is plenty |
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| 18:07.42 | Semlar | i'm not sure if the pvp gear would fill every slot |
| 18:07.55 | Semlar | so the average might be lower |
| 18:08.27 | JTF195 | you can get a minimum of 9 pieces |
| 18:08.51 | Adys | Arrowmaster: the one you linked has highlighting |
| 18:08.59 | Adys | but it doesn't have the "predictive" highlighting |
| 18:09.17 | karl_w_w | yeah its 425 to get into scenarios and 435 to get into heroics |
| 18:09.21 | Semlar | karl_w_w: if you can get into heroics and are on the US servers i'd run some with you |
| 18:09.35 | karl_w_w | im at 414 now so it shouldnt be too hard |
| 18:09.37 | Arrowmaster | Adys: predictive? |
| 18:09.43 | Adys | Arrowmaster: like in my screenshot |
| 18:09.55 | Adys | i type "ls ", it shows "ls [downloads]" |
| 18:10.00 | Adys | in a faded out color |
| 18:10.01 | Semlar | me and my healer friend actually proved we could 2 man them |
| 18:10.04 | JTF195 | 5pc set, plus bracers, belt and boots from BS/LW/tail, and then ammy (+rings?) from JC |
| 18:10.27 | JTF195 | basically everything that was avail for honor in 5.1 |
| 18:12.46 | Semlar | i pretty much just ran heroics to get a full set of 476 pvp gear |
| 18:13.03 | Semlar | which is enough to get into lfr |
| 18:14.05 | Semlar | and aside from the socket bonuses it's basically the same as pve gear |
| 18:21.09 | Arrowmaster | Adys: yeah thats a completely different feature than syntax highlighting |
| 18:21.27 | Adys | what is it? i dont even know what its called in order to google it |
| 18:21.39 | Arrowmaster | neither do i |
| 18:22.01 | Arrowmaster | and ive never heard of anybody doing that in zsh |
| 18:23.08 | Adys | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56281/command-line-prediction |
| 18:23.09 | Adys | woot |
| 18:23.17 | jnwhiteh | Adys: move to stockholm and come work with us? |
| 18:23.38 | Adys | jnwhiteh: why are you asking |
| 18:23.39 | Adys | work on what |
| 18:23.41 | nevcairiel | you must be in real need for some more muscle |
| 18:23.46 | Adys | how did you know i was planning to move to sweden |
| 18:23.51 | jnwhiteh | i don't/didn't. |
| 18:23.58 | jnwhiteh | but Cide and I want to recruit you |
| 18:24.00 | jnwhiteh | to come work with us |
| 18:24.04 | Adys | on what? |
| 18:24.05 | jnwhiteh | and krka too :P |
| 18:24.09 | nevcairiel | he has been trying to recruit for a few days on and off already =p |
| 18:24.10 | jnwhiteh | any number of things at Spotify |
| 18:24.23 | jnwhiteh | we have some idead |
| 18:24.25 | jnwhiteh | ideas |
| 18:24.38 | Adys | intriguing |
| 18:25.04 | jnwhiteh | if you are legit interested, let me know |
| 18:25.38 | karl_w_w | ooh i wonder if there is anything i can lewt from my guild bank |
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| 19:17.31 | Adys | Arrowmaster: the one i linked works out but i cant get it to be a different color |
| 19:17.32 | Adys | :( |
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| 19:32.05 | karl_w_w | egads enhance shammies just have too many buttons |
| 19:33.09 | karl_w_w | excluding aoe and situational and utility abilities, we have 10 buttons for dps |
| 19:33.49 | karl_w_w | and im sure I could be forgetting one or two cos im still learning |
| 19:35.37 | karl_w_w | and i did, there are 2 others so 12, and there's a potential 1 more depending on talents |
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| 19:47.35 | JTF195 | ferals have 10-13 depending on talents |
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| 19:47.52 | karl_w_w | just for single target? |
| 19:48.01 | JTF195 | yep |
| 19:48.06 | karl_w_w | its crazy |
| 19:49.08 | karl_w_w | if you include all the spells that an enhance would need in say the boss fights of a single raid, you're probably looking at more spells than you can fit on the default ui bars |
| 19:51.54 | karl_w_w | going back to my mage much more simple |
| 19:52.33 | karl_w_w | 9 for single target, 2 more for aoe, ~8 more for utility |
| 20:03.27 | Adys | http://www.zsh.org/mla/users/2003/msg00152.html |
| 20:03.30 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ^ =/ |
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| 20:27.20 | KarlKFI | Anyone have any idea what the core difference is between EPL and MPL? |
| 20:30.13 | karl_w_w | eastern plaguelands is a zone and monopoly is a board game |
| 20:30.39 | karl_w_w | has no other guesses what they could stand for |
| 20:30.48 | KarlKFI | licenses |
| 20:31.12 | KarlKFI | eclipse's and mozila's |
| 20:31.33 | KarlKFI | both copyleft, neither viral |
| 20:31.45 | durcyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses |
| 20:32.12 | Dagmar | there's nothing "viral" about any of them |
| 20:32.16 | KarlKFI | GPL is viral |
| 20:32.23 | KarlKFI | and all its decendants |
| 20:32.44 | Dagmar | So it spreads to other things that just walk by it? |
| 20:33.08 | KarlKFI | you can't use gpl code unless your code follows all its rules |
| 20:33.13 | Dagmar | They're just pissy and want to give it a name with a negative connotation because they can not _buy it up_ or reap the benefits by simply being a leech |
| 20:34.07 | Dagmar | It is neither non-consensual, nor is it malicious. |
| 20:34.33 | KarlKFI | malicious implies negativity, but it is deliberate |
| 20:34.49 | Xuerian | The old diamond punchline seems to fit. "GPL is forever" |
| 20:34.50 | Dagmar | Viruses are seldom beneficial. |
| 20:35.01 | KarlKFI | and sometimes it IS non-consensual, when you have developers using GPL code without asking their employeer or project team. |
| 20:35.24 | Dagmar | In those cases they fucked up and just need to write their own piece of code |
| 20:35.26 | KarlKFI | ignorance in gpl's case is not bliss |
| 20:35.29 | durcyn | "I forbid you from stealing my code to sell for your own profit" is pretty evil, don'tchaknow. |
| 20:35.36 | Dagmar | ...but it's not like you can't find GPL violations all over the place |
| 20:35.49 | Dagmar | That's not what the GPL says. |
| 20:35.59 | Humbedooh | GPL is evul :| |
| 20:36.09 | KarlKFI | aaanyway, i didn't ask about gpl |
| 20:37.05 | KarlKFI | it seems the core difference between EPL and MPL is that MPL is designed for file-based licensing and can be mixed with other compatible licenses in a project. |
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| 20:37.42 | KarlKFI | MPL2 code can also be used by GPL code, while MPL code cannot |
| 20:38.00 | KarlKFI | er, while EPL code cannot |
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| 20:38.21 | Dagmar | So.. the Sony Dash was out for _quite some time_ before Sony was willing to actually comply with the GPL |
| 20:38.40 | KarlKFI | just because other peopel are stupid doesn't mean i should also be stupid |
| 20:38.41 | Dagmar | My TV... runs Linux. Toshiba sez lol |
| 20:39.12 | Dagmar | I mean if we're going to call the GPL "viral" we might as well call the pro-IP companies "pirates" |
| 20:39.26 | Dagmar | Cuz their shit is their shit, and anything they can steal is also their shit |
| 20:39.50 | karl_w_w | i once stole shit |
| 20:39.55 | karl_w_w | it was messy and smelly |
| 20:40.47 | Dagmar | That they have actually relesed source to a few things is pretty weak considering the thing still uses signed firmware and is basically not unlockable |
| 20:41.11 | KarlKFI | you're free to believe whatever you want, Dagmar. But if your belief is licensed into your code such that I have to share you beliefs to use your code.... I'd rather not use your code. |
| 20:41.29 | Dagmar | THen you don't have to. |
| 20:41.44 | Dagmar | There's plenty of code out there, and everyone's welcome to write their own. |
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| 20:41.50 | KarlKFI | exactly. and i wont make my code GPL either |
| 20:42.29 | Dagmar | They are not, however, welcome to just skip over that time spent by essentially stealing from people who developed their code and published it with the explicit understanding that if you _use it_ you should help. |
| 20:43.24 | KarlKFI | MPL has weak copyleft, which is what you seem to be implying is the reason to use GPL |
| 20:43.25 | Dagmar | Pro-IP wants to bitch because once something's GPL it can never be taken private again. |
| 20:43.39 | Dagmar | Like their licences _ever_ go into the public domain. |
| 20:45.06 | KarlKFI | how bout this excuse: making code public and managing licenses costs money for a company. So it's actually cheaper not not use GPL code, unless the GPL code in question is best of class or has no good alternatives. |
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| 20:45.41 | Dagmar | No one's forcing them to use it |
| 20:45.49 | KarlKFI | *eyeroll* |
| 20:45.56 | KarlKFI | money is |
| 20:46.10 | Dagmar | They're certainly not *ahem* rolling up, lawyers blazing, saying "you have to licence this from us because we threw together some weak patent claims" |
| 20:46.22 | Dagmar | Money isn't forcing them to do anything. Greed is. |
| 20:46.32 | KarlKFI | *eyeroll* |
| 20:46.34 | Dagmar | They could write code like that themselves. If they can't, too bad |
| 20:46.48 | KarlKFI | they could, but it costs them money |
| 20:47.01 | KarlKFI | anyway, i'm done with this pointless convo |
| 20:47.54 | Dagmar | A shame you couldn't make any sense. |
| 20:48.42 | durcyn | ladies, you're both ugly. |
| 20:49.51 | karl_w_w | you can't run business by giving yourself pointless extra costs. some other business will always come along and price you out of the market. |
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| 20:50.27 | Dagmar | Oh noes. |
| 20:50.38 | Dagmar | Good thing GPL is free. |
| 20:50.47 | Dagmar | The licence doesn't "spread", either. |
| 20:51.12 | Dagmar | It took a _while_ to get Sony to actually even tell what versions of the stuff they wereusing. |
| 20:51.37 | Dagmar | They finally followed the licence, and it pretty much contains zero code by Sony. |
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| 20:59.49 | bleeter | on the subject of licensing, Fox DCMA'ing Cory Doctorow is pretty lulzy |
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| 21:01.53 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 21:02.01 | Shirik | http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boston-bombings-mbta-officer-condition-20130421,0,6889893.story |
| 21:02.04 | Shirik | I.... what? |
| 21:02.58 | bleeter | intersting, www.latimes.com isn't resolving here |
| 21:03.36 | bleeter | ergh, looks like my dhcp/dns has crapped out |
| 21:03.36 | kd3 | (waiting on the article to load) there has to be some kind of miscommunication there... that's physically impossible |
| 21:03.41 | Dagmar | Shirik: Just as long as they keep him out of the sunlight he should have no problems adjusting to the night shift. |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:05.31 | Shirik | it took me a second to get that |
| 21:10.55 | Dagmar | I have to question why someone's not calling foul on the very idea of a DMCA takedown being issued by a bot. |
| 21:11.17 | Dagmar | A _bot_ can not testify "under penalty of perjury", which is a _requirement_ for a DMCA claim |
| 21:11.54 | bleeter | Dagmar: no doubt comes down to whether the recipient decides they can afford to litigate all the way |
| 21:12.04 | bleeter | or want to |
| 21:12.31 | bleeter | s/recipient/target/ blah |
| 21:12.34 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 21:12.38 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 21:12.38 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 21:12.41 | Semlar | MORE COFFEE |
| 21:13.13 | Dagmar | bleeter: Acutally it's more a matter of they should probably jsut ignore it |
| 21:13.34 | Dagmar | A DMCA takedown notice is very much something you can ignore if it's not done the way it's supposed to be done |
| 21:13.47 | Dagmar | ...specifically _because_ of shit like this |
| 21:14.08 | Dagmar | But hey, I didn't know he'd written that, and now I have it. |
| 21:14.15 | Dagmar | ...and Cory has ten more bucks. |
| 21:14.18 | Dagmar | So fuck Fox. |
| 21:14.31 | VIad | latimes works for me |
| 21:14.48 | VIad | btw Drudatz made me sad http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/battlepettabs#c49 :'( |
| 21:17.03 | kd3 | ooh, the antares launch was successful |
| 21:17.15 | bleeter | YAY |
| 21:18.57 | karl_w_w | is it possible/easy to condense the pets in the scroll frame of the journal to 1 line? |
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| 21:35.07 | Simca | Vlad: if this problem only started occuring after 5.1, it may be an issue caused by passing 'nil' to a pet journal function |
| 21:36.14 | Simca | but that's the only patch change that could have really hurt the addon |
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| 21:58.15 | A-KO | ugh |
| 21:58.16 | A-KO | not cool |
| 21:58.25 | A-KO | plugged my gtx 460 in to my box and it won't post :( |
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| 22:02.33 | kd3 | is it plugged all the way in? |
| 22:02.38 | kd3 | has gotten bitten by that before >.> |
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| 22:15.14 | Semlar|Laptop | that's what she said |
| 22:16.19 | A-KO | kd3: I re-seated it twice, checked it |
| 22:16.23 | A-KO | it was definitely in all the way |
| 22:16.33 | A-KO | had to use a screw driver to flip the damn pci-e latch to get it out of there |
| 22:26.22 | Dagmar | You have all the extra power connectors hooked up? |
| 22:32.17 | kd3 | well a bit dramatic: http://i.imgur.com/f0yRDYW.jpg |
| 22:36.40 | Shirik | http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/04/21/177949605/a-wet-towel-in-space-is-not-like-a-wet-towel-on-earth?utm_source=NPR&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=20130421 |
| 22:38.13 | Xuerian | I love that space/NASA is getting back in the public eye. |
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| 23:59.17 | kd3 | eek; http://imgur.com/uyOSFJH |
