| 00:02.13 | Semlar | (" TEST -"):match("^ (([^ ]+) )?%-") does anyone know why the question mark breaks this pattern |
| 00:03.00 | Semlar | i can't figure out why making what's in the parentheses optional would make it stop working |
| 00:04.35 | Semlar | maybe match requires every capture to exist? |
| 00:07.28 | Semlar | i'm thinking lua doesn't actually support optional captures |
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| 00:24.38 | doub | Semlar: ? can only apply to a single character, not a capture |
| 00:24.55 | Semlar | :\ |
| 00:25.23 | doub | what is it you want to match? |
| 00:26.17 | Semlar | i need to be able to match either " TEST -" or " -" with the same pattern while capturing TEST |
| 00:26.28 | Semlar | i came up with another pattern that works |
| 00:26.51 | doub | and capture what in the second string ? |
| 00:26.58 | Semlar | it would just capture nothing |
| 00:27.28 | Semlar | '^ ([^ ]-) ?%- (.+)$' this is the full pattern i'm using |
| 00:28.26 | Semlar | it's to capture " PlayerName - Quest: 0/1" or " - Quest: 0/1" without running two matches |
| 00:29.08 | Semlar | i think that will work |
| 00:29.31 | Semlar | i'm not really used to lua pattern matching |
| 00:30.01 | doub | that should work |
| 00:30.30 | Semlar | i need to be able to capture the player name so i can compare it but it can also just be missing |
| 00:43.22 | Shirik | "Hooker described a client who cashed out a $300,000 401(k) account to buy a house in Elk Grove and intends to file for a six-month extension." |
| 00:43.24 | Shirik | WHY |
| 00:44.00 | Coote | Hookers get 401Ks now? |
| 00:44.40 | pompy | lol |
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| 00:47.46 | bleeter | "oh ffs. just had to explain what 'pebkac' is to one of the desktop/software support guys" |
| 00:48.53 | kd3 | I hope the explanation was "You. You are the PEBKAC" |
| 00:49.10 | bleeter | or a practical demonstration of a LART |
| 00:49.26 | ccox | Did you give him his ID10T badge? |
| 00:50.36 | Cairenn|afk | omfg |
| 00:50.59 | kd3 | ? |
| 00:58.19 | Shirik | has successfully installed ML :D |
| 00:58.24 | Shirik | time to have some fun |
| 00:58.52 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: You are now jealous |
| 00:59.07 | Thunder_Child | You wish Shirik |
| 01:04.07 | bleeter | Shirik: enjoy :) |
| 01:04.56 | bleeter | Shirik: fwiw, I'm picking up a Zoom H4N for putting on the flash mount for better audio recordings |
| 01:05.08 | bleeter | if you're looking at doing any video type stuffs with it |
| 01:16.28 | smcn | anyone know how i can check the integrity of video files, i keep getting mkv's that hard lock my system at specific points when trying to re-encode with handbrake |
| 01:16.46 | Coote | Do you have an md5 to compare them to? |
| 01:17.44 | Thunder_Child | possibly gspot? |
| 01:25.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:26.01 | Shirik | bleeter |
| 01:26.12 | Shirik | I'm running through the menus and I find an option that says "Don't click me!" |
| 01:26.17 | znf | did you click it? |
| 01:26.22 | Shirik | with help text "The camera may turn into a 1DX or it may explode." |
| 01:26.29 | znf | did you click it? |
| 01:26.30 | Shirik | no, but I really want to |
| 01:26.33 | znf | click it! |
| 01:26.39 | Coote | DO EEET |
| 01:26.44 | Coote | for science! |
| 01:27.00 | znf | downvotes Coote |
| 01:27.30 | Coote | Don't make me get my drone accounts to upvote me, and downvote you into oblivion. |
| 01:31.01 | Thunder_Child | Please keep imgur on imgur |
| 01:31.30 | Coote | But what about the poor cats stuck in IRC? |
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| 01:34.27 | Thunder_Child | Hand them to Cairenn|afk |
| 01:34.43 | Seerah | <3 Semlar :) |
| 01:34.45 | Cairenn|afk | ALL the cats! |
| 01:35.10 | Coote | Then who will take the corgis, and the badass awesome as hell beagles? |
| 01:35.42 | Cairenn|afk | ALL the dogs! |
| 01:36.04 | Thunder_Child | ALL the psychiatrist! |
| 01:36.07 | Thunder_Child | +s |
| 01:36.10 | Seerah | (I missed something, but...) what about the ferrets and the bunnies? |
| 01:36.13 | Cairenn|afk | them too! |
| 01:36.17 | Seerah | :) |
| 01:36.20 | Semlar | :O |
| 01:36.55 | Coote | I don't think there are any ferrets stuck in IRC land. Maybe weasels, though. |
| 01:43.30 | alestane | Apparently Cairenn|afk desires all the fuzzies tonight. |
| 01:46.01 | Cairenn|afk | loves the fuzzies |
| 01:46.13 | Coote | how about furries? |
| 01:46.22 | Cairenn|afk | Some of them, too ;) |
| 01:46.35 | kd3 | hm. I should hurry up with the bond watching on prime... two weeks left while most of them are still free |
| 01:47.41 | kd3 | weird seeing sean connery still with black hair |
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| 01:50.42 | bleeter | Shirik: I think you should click it. When I clicked it, I got way more sex and free money appeared in my bank account. |
| 01:51.32 | Shirik | I am really liking this |
| 01:52.38 | bleeter | ahh, you clicked it then! good stuff! |
| 01:53.44 | Shirik | I clicked it |
| 01:53.45 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 01:54.04 | Coote | what did it do? |
| 01:54.22 | bleeter | I suspect he scored the unicorns and ponies |
| 01:54.28 | Shirik | it turned into glitter mode |
| 01:54.39 | Shirik | the entire screen was sparkly |
| 01:54.44 | bleeter | Shirik: SPOILER! |
| 01:55.02 | Shirik | what |
| 01:55.45 | bleeter | though to be honest if people really wanna know what it does, 'magic lantern do not click' turns up a few videos |
| 01:57.02 | bleeter | I'm just sad that as soon as Shirik starts cutting his own firmware, we'll never see him again |
| 01:57.08 | bleeter | sadpandas |
| 02:00.06 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: We usually don't see him anyway |
| 02:10.47 | doub | how can get a call stack from an addon code? something like debug.traceback in plain Lua |
| 02:35.57 | Shirik | bleeter: That would be so much fun |
| 02:36.05 | Shirik | getting a 5d Mk 3 just to hack on it |
| 02:36.09 | Shirik | but that's a little expensive |
| 02:37.41 | Thunder_Child | glares suspiciously at Shirik |
| 02:41.53 | bleeter | Shirik: that's why I suggest getting a lower end system to mess around with, 550 or something |
| 02:42.07 | Shirik | I can't hold a 550 |
| 02:42.11 | bleeter | can still use the lenses and everything and if you seriously brick it... meh |
| 02:42.11 | Shirik | it will drain my soul |
| 02:43.07 | bleeter | the other option is to screw around on chdk on a super low end camera strapped to a quadrocopter |
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| 03:05.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: What ever gave you the idea that you have one? |
| 03:08.54 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:52.23 | bluspacecow | http://24.media.tumblr.com/afc52b99ddded18cceddd298003dad02/tumblr_miwpolonDL1rgr4l6o4_r1_250.gif |
| 03:58.25 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: too true. pretty sure Auctioneer sucked out whatever soul Shirik had before he started ;) |
| 04:03.41 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: proof cats are smarter than dogs |
| 04:18.28 | kd3 | ick; Hey Jude transposed to a minor key: http://youtu.be/8dcfpH8oJoM |
| 04:22.07 | kd3 | or, Smells Like Teen Spirit in major: http://youtu.be/g_TEOuyPDNo |
| 04:22.59 | bleeter | lol |
| 04:24.44 | kd3 | the music theorist in me is just creeping out |
| 04:25.13 | Seerah | kd3: does it at least end with a Picardy 3rd? :) |
| 04:25.23 | kd3 | ha |
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| 04:47.07 | doub | i'm seeing some code creating key bindings for a "MERCHANT x" command in an addon, which is created when dragging some item from a vendor panel |
| 04:48.12 | doub | but the SetOverrideBinding docs i'm reading don't mention that "MERCHANT" type of command |
| 04:48.20 | doub | is it something that's been deprecated? |
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| 04:56.01 | bleeter | kd3: pretty sure Killing Joke did it in a major key first... ;) |
| 04:57.17 | bleeter | kd3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-YDG7GG0s (which is a clear rework of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8 ) |
| 05:00.02 | bleeter | kd3: and how's this for music theory: Klaus Tennstedt allegedly called Coleman (KJ's lead) 'the new Mahler' ;) |
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| 05:01.41 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN-8G0HCD5U lol |
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| 05:17.40 | bleeter | http://i.imgur.com/Rud5eX9.png |
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| 05:45.09 | alestane | And I hope YOU'VE learned to sanitize your database inputs. |
| 06:03.13 | Dagmar | Sanitize and validate. |
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| 06:10.33 | karl_w_w | implying my database inputs aren't always sane |
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| 06:29.59 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://pastebin.com || 5.2.x ToC: 50200 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || BlizzCon! Nov. 8-9 || In-game web browser in 5.3: http://bit.ly/Zln0Wm || Happy Birthday Kaelten |
| 06:51.15 | Shirik | happy birthday Kaelten! |
| 06:51.49 | Maldivia | morning all, and happy birthday Kaelten |
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| 07:31.12 | karl_w_w | happy all, Kaelten and morning birthday |
| 07:33.52 | bleeter | happy birthday Kaelten! |
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| 07:37.25 | Maldivia | much karl_w_w yoda? |
| 07:38.56 | karl_w_w | kettle black the pot calling |
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| 08:15.22 | karl_w_w | what's the word that means when you fail in your responsibility to do something |
| 08:15.53 | zenzio | hm... first thing that came to mind was "misconduct", but I don't think that's right |
| 08:15.59 | zenzio | negligence? |
| 08:17.05 | karl_w_w | yeah negligence is close enough |
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| 08:17.35 | karl_w_w | thank you sexy zenzio |
| 08:18.26 | Maldivia | procrastination :P |
| 08:43.21 | karl_w_w | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/google-searching-for-star-trek-destiny-20130415-2hucf.html |
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| 10:14.37 | Fisker | lol haste |
| 10:14.50 | Fisker | the place i ordered the n4 |
| 10:15.03 | Fisker | said they couldn't deliver because the supplier couldn't deliver it |
| 10:15.12 | haste | D: |
| 10:15.15 | Fisker | so they cancelled my order and recommends me a nokia wireless charger instead |
| 10:15.21 | Fisker | (which doesn't work on the n4) |
| 10:15.26 | Fisker | lol'd |
| 10:16.30 | bluspacecow | may i lolz too ? |
| 10:22.00 | Fisker | no bluspacecow |
| 10:22.02 | Fisker | bad bluspacecow |
| 10:22.08 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 10:22.09 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 10:22.12 | bluspacecow | i will not lolz |
| 10:22.13 | bluspacecow | opps |
| 10:22.15 | bluspacecow | i just did |
| 10:22.18 | bluspacecow | mad ? |
| 10:22.44 | Fisker | nomad |
| 10:22.57 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 10:22.59 | bluspacecow | im glad |
| 10:23.02 | bluspacecow | thats rad |
| 10:23.03 | bluspacecow | mad |
| 10:27.02 | Caleb| | sad |
| 10:33.37 | bluspacecow | brad! |
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| 11:02.10 | airtonix | Fisker: i just bought my charger from ebay. perhaps when you exhaust all your other options you might like to try that |
| 11:10.45 | Semlar | so recount has been using upwards of 50mb of memory after a raid |
| 11:11.21 | Semlar | that's more than my database with information on every spell in the game |
| 11:11.49 | Semlar | what the hell is it doing |
| 11:13.20 | karl_w_w | storing everything |
| 11:15.42 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 11:15.43 | bluspacecow | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/529558_457828660952120_1786558276_n.jpg |
| 11:15.52 | bluspacecow | and with that BBL gymt tiems |
| 11:15.56 | Semlar | i get that it stores a lot of information, but i don't recall it using more than 3mb normally and not more than about 7mb after running for a while |
| 11:16.21 | Stanzilla | recount is evil |
| 11:18.29 | Semlar | :( |
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| 11:51.00 | airtonix | no you're evil |
| 11:53.29 | karl_w_w | jeez airtonix don't you realise your words can hurt people? D: |
| 11:54.17 | airtonix | i guess i'm not as sensitive as you |
| 11:55.54 | Adys | how not to open source your libs: https://bitbucket.org/ubernostrum/django-registration/pull-request/30/django-15-compatibility-with-custom-user/diff |
| 11:55.59 | Adys | what a cock, honestly |
| 12:03.35 | mitch0 | Adys: but he said he'll work on it on his next sprint! |
| 12:04.03 | Maldivia | so, because he had planned to do something in the future, and someone else did it, and people liked what the other person did, he doesn't want it... well |
| 12:04.28 | mitch0 | he'll discuss it with himself on the next scrum meeting |
| 12:04.51 | Adys | bennett is a grade-a dick from everything ive seen coming out of him |
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| 12:13.34 | airtonix | Adys: i stopped using django-registration a long time ago... such a tedious app to integrate. |
| 12:13.40 | Adys | aye |
| 12:13.48 | Adys | Im working on a django-accounts app |
| 12:13.55 | airtonix | a slightly less tedious one to use is django-userprofiles |
| 12:14.18 | airtonix | which i've still forked and made what i think are sensible changes. |
| 12:14.36 | Adys | link? |
| 12:15.27 | airtonix | oh maybe i didn't make any changes |
| 12:15.35 | airtonix | https://github.com/stephrdev/django-userprofiles |
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| 12:55.37 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/JQ5eYJR.jpg |
| 13:00.02 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LptQy.gif |
| 13:03.43 | mikma | semlar: http://i.imgur.com/wLKsDM4.gif |
| 13:05.22 | mikma | semlar: also, http://i.imgur.com/wLKsDM4.gif |
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| 13:10.43 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/3kCoEYH |
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| 13:16.50 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/vy23Ejb.jpg |
| 13:22.02 | Semlar | this is not ideal |
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| 13:37.04 | karl_w_w | winning at queues |
| 13:38.46 | karl_w_w | i was in an arathi basin queue for 7 hours once |
| 13:42.21 | Semlar | i can't help but notice they never bothered adding the water back to the isle of thunder minimap textures |
| 13:44.17 | Semlar | can a player be a quest objective |
| 13:44.40 | Semlar | i think there are pvp quests that require you to kill people |
| 13:54.05 | alestane | Will video acceleration hardware typically load textures in 24-bit form, does will it always have an alpha channel? |
| 13:54.46 | zenzio | that question puzzles me a little |
| 13:55.23 | zenzio | by "video acceleration hardware", do you mean typical videocards? |
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| 14:24.22 | Arrow|phone | The time to see if my battery is going to shit or its just being reported incorrectly is approaching, down to 2% |
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| 14:32.37 | alestane | zenzio, I can't be completely sure what I'm asking. I'm talking to someone who complains that he's running out of memory to load very large images. He's hoping that by downconverting his sources from png32 to png24, he can come in under the ceiling. I find myself wondering whether that will actually reduce loaded memory consumption, or only disk space. |
| 14:33.28 | Semlar | oO |
| 14:34.08 | Semlar | looks like his battery wasn't being reported incorrectly |
| 14:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | Running out of memory isn't about the things he's downloading, it's about taking a look at the root problem, IMO... his system resources themselves. |
| 14:35.24 | Semlar | those must be some big ass images |
| 14:37.19 | Kalroth | maps of earth in 1:1 scale |
| 14:37.25 | Kalroth | stored in one png |
| 14:37.36 | alestane | They're 2048x2048 textures. |
| 14:38.13 | Kalroth | stored in many, many, many pngs* |
| 14:38.24 | alestane | And Peppy, his system runs it fine…but he's trying to build something he can distribute to the general market, including people with wussy mobile devices. |
| 14:38.36 | alestane | Personally, I think he has some other problem entirely. |
| 14:41.59 | TC-work | Seen on a whiteboard at my work: "We do not render as the undead." |
| 14:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | Well. Good to know that your disguise is still in place. |
| 14:43.01 | TC-work | Don't make me eat your brains Lopeppeppy. |
| 14:44.31 | Lopeppeppy | At least you're reasonable. |
| 14:44.59 | Kalroth | brians* |
| 14:45.15 | TC-work | I'd snort at you, but I have a distinct lack of a nose. |
| 14:45.32 | Kalroth | bad luck brian meets dyslexic zombie |
| 14:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | Pick one up off the floor, there should be a few to spare. |
| 14:46.06 | TC-work | I may be undead, but that is disgusting. |
| 14:46.22 | Kalroth | 5 second rule applies to noses too? |
| 14:46.38 | Lopeppeppy | Well, a zombie has more germs than the floor, hands down. |
| 14:46.56 | TC-work | A human has more germs than the floor so what does that tell you? |
| 14:47.06 | TC-work | Kalroth: Only if i was going to eat it. |
| 14:47.11 | Kalroth | ooh okay |
| 14:47.34 | Kalroth | why dont zombies eat each other anyways? that'd solve a lot of issues |
| 14:48.14 | TC-work | We don't get what we need from necrotized tissue. |
| 14:48.43 | Kalroth | Ah okay .. wait. We? AAAAAAAAH |
| 14:49.22 | TC-work | Exit Stage Screaming! |
| 14:49.22 | Semlar | look what you did |
| 14:50.20 | TC-work | I would threaten you, but we all know that's pointless |
| 14:50.54 | TC-work | We feed you to anorexic zombies. |
| 14:54.33 | alestane | Exit, pursued by a zombie. |
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| 14:57.07 | TC-work | I also listened to some transients outside my work this morning discussing if they should give E to a cat. |
| 14:57.19 | alestane | You have to love it when the entirety of your assignment is "10-20 page seminar paper on a topic of your choice." (I presume that the topic should also be germane to the class.) |
| 14:58.17 | Semlar | the topic is giving E to cats |
| 14:58.52 | TC-work | Well, It would make them less likely to kill you. |
| 15:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | No way, topical topics? |
| 15:02.20 | alestane | Aside from "on the topic of game production management," the assignment is "pick a thesis and go nuts." |
| 15:05.27 | Dagmar | They can't that fuckin' destitute if they've got enough E to give some to stray cats |
| 15:05.57 | TC-work | I don't think it was a stray, I think it's theirs. |
| 15:06.07 | Dagmar | Of course, it sounds like they're the kind of people who have no idea what they're buying, so it's probably just cat tranquilizers anyway |
| 15:06.44 | TC-work | I would also argue they are destitute because they are buying such things. Then there is the fact that designer drugs are not that expensive around here. |
| 15:06.59 | Dagmar | Designer drugs are never particularly expensive |
| 15:07.26 | Dagmar | E's probably the most expensive and it kinda tops out at $30/roll |
| 15:08.23 | Dagmar | A testing kit to be sure you're actually getting E, on the other hand, is $30-45, which for some reason makes idiots balk at using one |
| 15:14.56 | Semlar | why can't you do quests in a raid |
| 15:15.07 | Semlar | what's the reasoning behind that |
| 15:15.14 | TC-work | because one person can trigger it for 20 people |
| 15:15.17 | TC-work | or 40 |
| 15:15.54 | Semlar | so |
| 15:16.01 | Semlar | it's an mmo |
| 15:16.20 | TC-work | and? they design quests for 5 people |
| 15:16.22 | Semlar | well, it's an mmo that seems to favor single player stuff |
| 15:16.52 | TC-work | mmo does not mean 'Power Level Me' |
| 15:17.16 | Semlar | you shouldn't be punished for playing in a group |
| 15:17.31 | TC-work | you aren't. but a raid is not a group |
| 15:17.37 | TC-work | a raid is something specific. |
| 15:17.48 | TC-work | and you can't suppress it because there are raid quests. |
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| 15:18.28 | TC-work | looks hungrily at Kalroth |
| 15:21.22 | Kalroth | eeep |
| 15:21.28 | Kalroth | where's Rick when you need him |
| 15:21.44 | Kalroth | or even better, his son |
| 15:24.43 | TC-work | or Ash |
| 15:25.51 | doub | i have a spell name, can i retrieve a spellID for the current character? |
| 15:28.50 | Fisker | I'm tired Kalroth |
| 15:29.09 | Kalroth | Fisker: I'm sorry to hear that. Of anything in particular? |
| 15:29.29 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:29.37 | Fisker | tired as in need to sleep |
| 15:29.59 | Kalroth | Take a nap on the couch, I'm sure you deserve it. |
| 15:31.18 | TC-work | Take a power nap Fisker |
| 15:31.26 | TC-work | or take a sick day and sleep |
| 15:34.01 | Shirik | google |
| 15:34.03 | Shirik | you disappoint me |
| 15:34.14 | Shirik | their google doodle says -1 = e^(i * pi) |
| 15:34.22 | Shirik | when it should actually say 1 = e^(j * tau) |
| 15:34.32 | Fisker | blame it on the boogie Shirik |
| 15:34.41 | Shirik | spookie boogie? |
| 15:34.45 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:34.51 | Fisker | noone can related to tau |
| 15:34.53 | Fisker | or even j |
| 15:41.04 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 15:51.49 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 15:51.53 | TC-work | Shirik: I dunno, wikipedia seems to agree with them |
| 15:52.04 | Shirik | -1 = e(i* pi) is a true statement |
| 15:52.05 | nevcairiel | Shirik: the doodles shows "Euler's identity", i don't know why you complain, but its at least correct the way it is |
| 15:52.08 | Shirik | but it's evil |
| 15:52.25 | Shirik | furthermore, i^2 = -1 in some parts of the world |
| 15:52.27 | Shirik | but not the cool ones |
| 15:52.38 | TC-work | wikipedia has it as e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 |
| 15:52.49 | Shirik | it should be e^(j*pi) = 1 |
| 15:53.17 | nevcairiel | now you're getting yourself confused |
| 15:53.18 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7vhMMXagQ |
| 15:53.59 | Shirik | bah |
| 15:54.03 | Shirik | e^(j*tau) = 1 |
| 15:54.07 | Shirik | and I blame you all for that |
| 15:57.25 | nevcairiel | so you complain that a factor two makes your head explode? |
| 15:57.29 | nevcairiel | something is wrong with your head :P |
| 15:57.58 | TC-work | In python 'try' seems to execute things individually before breaking, is that correct? |
| 15:58.47 | nevcairiel | besides, your changing of i to j just makes everyone confused even more :p |
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| 16:22.03 | End_ | TC-work: yes, execution continues through a try until something throws an exception or you fall out the end of the try |
| 16:25.36 | TC-work | End_: so if I have |
| 16:25.36 | TC-work | try: |
| 16:25.36 | TC-work | print x, y, z |
| 16:25.36 | TC-work | How do i get it to just work on one of them? |
| 16:25.50 | TC-work | i dont want to have multiple print lines |
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| 16:26.26 | End_ | what type of error are you trying to catch |
| 16:27.04 | End_ | I'm guessing either NameError or some error when they are converted to a string, but it sounds like something might be "wrong" with what you're trying to do |
| 16:27.08 | TC-work | none type iirc |
| 16:27.49 | End_ | you can print a None value out |
| 16:28.08 | TC-work | I would prefer to simply print nothing |
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| 16:28.28 | End_ | ah, well, that's not an exception at all |
| 16:28.46 | TC-work | hold on let me trigger it again |
| 16:29.12 | Unkle | Give me ALL the caffeine and no one gets hurt. |
| 16:29.50 | End_ | too late I already have some caffeine |
| 16:30.40 | Unkle | KHAAAAAAAAAAN! |
| 16:31.03 | Lopeppeppy | Nom. |
| 16:31.30 | Lopeppeppy | Tzatziki and mountain dew, baby, breakfast of the gods. |
| 16:31.31 | Dagmar | Pfft. I probably have enough caffiene on my desk to give you palpitations. |
| 16:32.29 | Unkle | Dagmar: I seriously doubt it. The Blessed Molecule is prettymuch the only thing that keeps me going. |
| 16:32.54 | Dagmar | 400mg in caffienated drinks, several thousand milligrams in the form of tiny white pills. |
| 16:32.57 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: You has a good greek place near you? |
| 16:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | No. I has tiny packages of goodness that will keep me sane when I get the quote for my brake job. |
| 16:33.35 | Unkle | Dagmar: In Jr. High I knew a guy who made a good living selling crushed no-doze to the credulous. |
| 16:33.51 | Dagmar | ANything more than $400 for rotors and $150 for pads means get a second estimate |
| 16:34.41 | Dagmar | I saved myself almost $500 yesterday "fixing" my power steering. |
| 16:35.10 | Dagmar | SOme tool tried to tell me my power steering fluid pump had "definitely failed" and needed replacing. |
| 16:35.35 | Dagmar | Yeah, $4.99 worth of Dexron-III later... it's magically fixed. |
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| 16:35.50 | Dagmar | Someone (probably me) didn't screw the cap down good on the reservoir. |
| 16:36.08 | Dagmar | It'd mostly splashed out, but all it does is make the car groan like an old man. |
| 16:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | I need front asap, back could wait a bit but why wait? |
| 16:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | Back needs damn drums, rot it. |
| 16:44.33 | Unkle | The thing with cars is, we use them a lot and parts wear out. Sadly, it's not usually cheap. |
| 16:44.58 | Lopeppeppy | And I'm about to double my commute time and triple my weekly mileage, so maintenance is in order. |
| 16:45.04 | TC-work | End_: TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable |
| 16:45.21 | Lopeppeppy | My garage is college endorsed - they do a lot of business with employees and value that endorsement. they don't screw around. |
| 16:45.31 | TC-work | Well, I don't mind doing except: the problem is i don't want it to print anything |
| 17:02.15 | Unkle | ROFL - http://notalwaysright.com/that-woman-has-some-balls/28619 |
| 17:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | BAWLS of steel, man. |
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| 17:05.13 | End_ | TC-work: that exception happens on that line, and deeper in the stack? |
| 17:05.26 | End_ | (I mean, not something called from that line?) |
| 17:08.09 | End_ | the only way I can think to get an error like that is something like this: http://pastebin.com/0RVMyV1X (meaning that the __repr__ or __str__ generated the error) |
| 17:11.09 | TC-work | End_: You are correct, the line is 'print ' ', y['name'], 'as', task(x['id'], y['name'])' |
| 17:11.29 | TC-work | but I dont want to catch it in task |
| 17:11.51 | TC-work | because then the print is going to be 'Foo as ' |
| 17:11.56 | End_ | so task(x blah blah) is throwing the error? |
| 17:12.05 | TC-work | yes, but only so often |
| 17:12.08 | TC-work | which is fine |
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| 17:13.11 | End_ | just wrap the try around a task call before the print |
| 17:13.14 | End_ | http://pastebin.com/E8HSug9c |
| 17:13.56 | TC-work | That looks like it would work, thanks. |
| 17:14.01 | End_ | I'm not sure why you camn |
| 17:14.02 | End_ | blah |
| 17:14.08 | End_ | I'm not sure why you can't fix task |
| 17:14.15 | End_ | or maybe x['id'] or y['name' |
| 17:14.20 | End_ | or maybe x['id'] or y['name'] might be None |
| 17:14.25 | End_ | (fucking enter key) |
| 17:14.43 | TC-work | correct, the values I am pulling, sometimes it doesn't have one for that combination |
| 17:15.01 | End_ | oh then you probably want to check that instead |
| 17:15.40 | End_ | http://pastebin.com/DmdLaN2N |
| 17:15.41 | TC-work | But then that leaves the 'as' which I don't want printed. That's why i used the try initially, I was hoping it would ignore the whole line if one failed. |
| 17:15.52 | End_ | whoops that's backwards |
| 17:16.06 | End_ | if x['id'] is not None and y['name'] is not None: |
| 17:16.20 | End_ | oh |
| 17:16.38 | TC-work | actually, It would break father back in task when i do the looping |
| 17:16.42 | End_ | the print should never get "called" if it throws an exception |
| 17:17.06 | TC-work | but it does, I had: |
| 17:17.06 | TC-work | try: |
| 17:17.06 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.06 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.06 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.13 | TC-work | and it would print foo as foo |
| 17:17.56 | End_ | I'm confused |
| 17:18.11 | TC-work | I can see that. Which part? |
| 17:18.25 | End_ | if task() is throwing an error, it's not returning a value |
| 17:18.35 | End_ | how are you getting foo as anything |
| 17:18.47 | TC-work | the y['name'] still prints |
| 17:18.57 | TC-work | and the 'as' |
| 17:19.04 | End_ | but nothing after? |
| 17:19.20 | TC-work | then the except triggers and prints the stuff in the except |
| 17:19.34 | TC-work | because task failed |
| 17:19.40 | TC-work | brb |
| 17:19.52 | End_ | interesting |
| 17:20.57 | End_ | in 2.x print isn't normally a real function, so I guess that's just some strange behavior from it being a language construct |
| 17:21.25 | End_ | anyhow, (now that I think I understand) in your case I would probably do something like this: http://pastebin.com/ZixJ0qj5 |
| 17:22.08 | End_ | (I guess you could collapse taskResult) |
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| 17:29.42 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:35.18 | Torhal|work | The system has failed, Fisker. |
| 17:36.58 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/04/the-madness-ends-lawyer-charles-carreon-to-pay-46100/ |
| 17:44.00 | Dagmar | "We have two possible levels of review left." |
| 17:44.13 | Dagmar | Translation: We intend to keep digging until we can no longer see sky |
| 17:44.57 | alestane | Being an asshat can get expensive, Unkle. |
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| 17:45.27 | Fisker | i love post-trial is a little less batshit insane and lot more shut the fuck up |
| 17:46.20 | Dagmar | Being that the majority of the fees were incurred specifically because Carreon was a giant tool, I don't think any levels of appeal are going to come out well for them |
| 17:47.01 | Dagmar | Maybe someone should rattle ol' Jack Thompson's cage and get him to give Carreon a call so we can get this circus going in earnest. |
| 17:47.40 | Dagmar | Thompson can attest... the madness doesn't _have_ to end until someone gets disbarred |
| 17:53.15 | Lopeppeppy | Just ask a divorce lawyer. |
| 18:01.11 | Unkle | A little "War of the Roses" action -- but for lawyers. |
| 18:03.46 | Dagmar | Nah. In WotR, both sides were crazy. |
| 18:04.27 | Dagmar | Carreon's the only crazy one in this mess. Inman's just a garden-variety looney. |
| 18:08.10 | Unkle | But if you could get him and Jack Thompson to litigate against each other... |
| 18:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | I hear that in a dalek voice. "Li-ti-gate!" |
| 18:10.35 | Dagmar | I was actually hoping to get Carreon to team up with Thompson |
| 18:10.38 | TC-work | End_: It doesn't quite work like that due to it does a dict lookup in task and that's where it fails but I think I have the idea, Thanks. |
| 18:13.11 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy++ |
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| 18:20.30 | karl_w_w | http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1288206-Ever-wonder-what-is-on-the-bottom-of-the-Frost-Giants-Feet-in-Ulduar haha |
| 18:22.16 | jnwhiteh | Welcome EE, IS, HK, LT, LV, MX, MY, SG to the Spotify family =) |
| 18:22.59 | smcn | karl_w_w: bam, there it is |
| 18:24.38 | Fisker | meh jnwhiteh |
| 18:24.46 | Fisker | who is .my anyway? |
| 18:24.57 | jnwhiteh | Malaysia |
| 18:26.14 | karl_w_w | guesses: estonia, isreal, hong kong, latvia, latvia again, mexico, malaysia, singapore |
| 18:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | When I grow up, I'm going to teach my coworkers about cropping. They have chopped off more people this week than I've seen them do in the last month. |
| 18:26.36 | Lopeppeppy | Lithuania in there, LT? |
| 18:26.48 | karl_w_w | ah yes |
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| 18:27.14 | karl_w_w | but spotify is pretty shitty anyway :P |
| 18:27.45 | Lopeppeppy | Eh, bite me. Or bite jnwhiteh, as the case may be. :P |
| 18:28.12 | karl_w_w | in other news, and to revisit a nice stand-by complain, wikipedia has got to be the slowest website in the world |
| 18:29.06 | Unkle | What, you want free, accurate, fast all at once? |
| 18:29.20 | nevcairiel | it doesnt even have two of those :P |
| 18:29.39 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 18:30.06 | karl_w_w | google should just buy wikimedia |
| 18:30.14 | Unkle | It pretty much has free (to end user) down. |
| 18:30.20 | Unkle | No. Please no. |
| 18:30.20 | nevcairiel | too big of a headache i would think |
| 18:30.53 | karl_w_w | google does most things right on balance |
| 18:30.58 | Unkle | Please do not turn Google into the repository of all information. Google is terrifying enough as it is. |
| 18:31.59 | nevcairiel | google is the repository of all information |
| 18:32.25 | karl_w_w | Unkle: implying wikipedia cannot be read by google already? |
| 18:32.49 | Unkle | No, it's trying really hard to be the INDEX of the repository of all information, and putting it's fingers in every other pie it can too. |
| 18:33.20 | Unkle | I just don't think Google should be the CURATOR of all information. |
| 18:33.52 | Primer | its |
| 18:34.01 | Unkle | It's too short of a step from Curator to Dictator. |
| 18:34.20 | smcn | google or wikipedia mods, who is worse |
| 18:35.13 | Unkle | wikipedia has its own flaws. Very ugly, fundamental flaws. But at least they're an alternative collector of information. |
| 18:35.14 | smcn | (replace "mods" with whatever you call the group of people "in charge" that people complain about relentlessly wrt wikipedia) |
| 18:36.12 | karl_w_w | Shiriks |
| 18:37.01 | karl_w_w | some damn Shirik deleted my article about my mate's band |
| 18:40.22 | doub | is it possible to use SetBinding or a related function to bind an item to a key, so that i'll equip (as opposed to use) that item when i press the key? |
| 18:41.04 | Semlar | doesn't using an item equip it |
| 18:41.14 | doub | it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:41.30 | doub | if i pass a food name, my character eats it, if i pass a weapon name, nothing happens |
| 18:42.02 | Semlar | what about EquipItemByName |
| 18:42.07 | doub | I tried SetOverrideBindingItem and SetOverrideBinding with a string "ITEM name" |
| 18:42.51 | doub | well, that implies running a script, i'll do that but i'm wondering if I can just define a binding instead |
| 18:42.55 | Unkle | doub: You can create a macro and bind that. |
| 18:43.15 | doub | actually i'm writing an addon, and i'll drag and drop the item to some UI |
| 18:43.27 | Semlar | you can create a macro with the addon |
| 18:43.39 | Semlar | but there's no way you need to make a macro for this |
| 18:43.49 | Unkle | !API EditMacroText |
| 18:43.59 | Semlar | look at how closet gnome or whatever let you change equipment sets |
| 18:44.01 | Unkle | ~API EditMacroText |
| 18:44.01 | purl | !api EditMacroText |
| 18:44.02 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'EditMacroText'. |
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| 18:44.49 | doub | I guess it's using EquipItemByName or a similar function |
| 18:45.08 | doub | there's a similar one to use the builtin equipmentsets |
| 18:45.17 | Unkle | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EditMacro and CreateMacro |
| 18:45.55 | Unkle | Bear in mind, that EquipItemByName and the macro functions can't be called in combat. |
| 18:46.20 | Torhal|work | calls Unkle in combat. |
| 18:46.24 | Semlar | you can't create the macro in combat but you should be able to use it |
| 18:46.29 | Unkle | Right. |
| 18:46.53 | doub | is there a way to hide the macro from the macro frame ? |
| 18:48.22 | Unkle | You could make a SecureActionButton and assign it macrotext and put the button outside the viewable screen. |
| 18:49.11 | doub | And then SetOverrideBindingClick on it? |
| 18:49.25 | doub | I have to learn about these SecureActionButtons |
| 18:50.48 | karl_w_w | apparently "suck" is a heinous(sp) insult on mmo-c forums |
| 18:50.49 | batbot | karl_w_w, heinous is correct. |
| 18:50.53 | karl_w_w | sweet |
| 18:52.21 | Unkle | karl_w_w: as always, attack the argument, not the arguer. |
| 18:52.25 | Semlar | doub: http://www.wowpedia.org/API_SetOverrideBindingItem |
| 18:52.34 | karl_w_w | I did Unkle |
| 18:52.44 | karl_w_w | but I used the word suck |
| 18:52.56 | karl_w_w | so spanks for me |
| 18:53.13 | Unkle | As in "You suck" or the more generic "the concept sucks" ? |
| 18:53.30 | karl_w_w | the latter |
| 18:53.49 | Unkle | (I've never commented on mmo-c, so I don't know how dangerous it is to speak there) |
| 18:53.50 | Semlar | yeah but you put "balls" after it |
| 18:55.02 | karl_w_w | well it's not particularly strict |
| 18:55.07 | TC-work | There are other things to suck |
| 18:55.12 | Semlar | eggs? |
| 18:55.19 | karl_w_w | you can swear full-blooded as long as it isn't at somebody |
| 18:55.23 | Lopeppeppy | No. Not eggs. |
| 18:55.34 | Semlar | you don't suck eggs? |
| 18:55.51 | Unkle | crawfish heads. |
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| 19:05.36 | Unkle | Anyone with access to local Boston-area TV feeds? |
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| 19:07.14 | Fisker | nope Unkle |
| 19:08.15 | Unkle | BBC is apparently reporting explosions in Boston near the finish line of the Marathon, and I was wondering if local news was on it. |
| 19:08.23 | Semlar | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fCgFCQAERWMB.jpg:large |
| 19:08.39 | Dagmar | oh fuck |
| 19:09.15 | kd3 | somehow I don't think this'll work: http://i.imgur.com/9hU2TR9.jpg |
| 19:09.15 | Unkle | http://instagram.com/p/YItk1gTIUJ |
| 19:09.23 | kd3 | and holy crap |
| 19:11.35 | Semlar | http://www.myfoxboston.com/category/235888/fox-25-live-video-stream here's a thing |
| 19:12.17 | Semlar | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fwFvCUAA-PWb.jpg probably nsfw |
| 19:12.40 | Cairenn | oh shit |
| 19:14.39 | karl_w_w | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/15/us-athletics-marathon-boston-blast-idUSBRE93E0ZF20130415 |
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| 19:20.04 | kd3 | http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/21982342/apparent-explosion-hits-near-finish-line-of-boston-marathon |
| 19:21.27 | Unkle | :( |
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| 19:28.19 | alestane | http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/ |
| 19:28.44 | Cairenn | it's crashed their site |
| 19:28.51 | Cairenn | all the people trying to get info |
| 19:28.55 | alestane | Currently it's looking very much like some motherfucker bombed the spectator stands at the finish line. |
| 19:29.27 | karl_w_w | http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/wbz-newsradio-1030 |
| 19:29.49 | Semlar | http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive/ |
| 19:33.43 | alestane | Mean people suck. |
| 19:39.09 | durcyn | s/Mean // |
| 19:41.00 | Cairenn | Horrible either way, but I'm actually hoping that it was something like a gas main explosion or some such |
| 19:41.24 | Unkle | There's not enough information to go on yet. |
| 19:41.36 | Cairenn | I'd much rather believe that it's an unfortunate accident, than a deliberate act. |
| 19:42.17 | Unkle | However, if it were a gas main, we'd see secondary effects and fire. |
| 19:42.56 | Fisker | sounds like they've pretty much went with the bomb theory now |
| 19:43.33 | Cairenn | The media is saying repeatedly that people shouldn't jump to conclusions (which is an amazing thing from the media) |
| 19:43.45 | Cairenn | (but yeah =/ ) |
| 19:43.47 | karl_w_w | this news feed just said people reporting seeing bags sitting against the wall |
| 19:46.03 | alestane | I'm not sure how much faith I'd put in that, unless there are records from before hand. People have an amazing ability to concoct stuff like that without realizing they're doing it. |
| 19:46.27 | alestane | But the placement and timing would make an accident a hell of a coincidence. |
| 19:46.28 | alestane | http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-nation-reports,30743/ |
| 19:46.37 | Cairenn | yup :( |
| 19:48.59 | Unkle | Cynical as it sounds, I just alerted our logistics person 'cause we're shipping to that area today. :/ |
| 19:49.18 | Cairenn | :( |
| 19:50.42 | Cairenn | ugh, just confirmed it as 2 bombs |
| 19:51.49 | Semlar | they haven't confirmed that it was a bomb |
| 19:52.04 | Semlar | they don't know what caused the explosions yet |
| 19:52.56 | Cairenn | marathon hq is saying it was, in fact, bombs - just now said it |
| 19:53.06 | Cairenn | I don't fucking understand people |
| 19:56.54 | Cairenn | fire at library. another explosion. |
| 19:58.02 | Torhal|work | Cairenn: Controlled explosion: https://twitter.com/BostonDotCom |
| 19:58.11 | Cairenn | thank goodness |
| 19:58.37 | alestane | There are apparently also reports of more unexploded ordinance found in the area. |
| 20:00.04 | alestane | Which is what it sounds like the LIbrary and a couple other points are about; detonating additional "goodie bags." |
| 20:02.11 | Semlar | they're still saying they don't know what caused the explosion |
| 20:02.31 | Semlar | where did you get the information that it was for sure a bomb |
| 20:02.38 | Cairenn | depends on who you are listening too |
| 20:02.53 | Semlar | i'm watching the local news and they just said fema just told them they still don't know what caused it |
| 20:03.08 | Cairenn | Marathon HQ has said that it was, some news saying not sure yet, etc |
| 20:05.01 | Semlar | and the controlled explosions by the bomb squad, they're going to blow up anything that looks suspicious |
| 20:08.37 | bleeter | https://twitter.com/Boston_Police |
| 20:08.43 | bleeter | 22 injured, 2 dead :-/ |
| 20:08.51 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 20:13.18 | Unkle | I have to kill the feeds. I can't focus. |
| 20:14.15 | Dagmar | They blew up a comfy pillow and a sandwich here at one point |
| 20:14.36 | Dagmar | I shit you not, a sack lunch and a macrame'd pillow looked threatening enough to bring out the demo squad |
| 20:15.00 | Cairenn | police just confirmed two (small, home made) bombs |
| 20:15.16 | Semlar | link? |
| 20:15.31 | Cairenn | watching a live feed |
| 20:15.37 | Cairenn | http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive/ |
| 20:15.45 | kd3 | is listening to the boston FD feed |
| 20:15.47 | bleeter | < tuned in to BP scanner stream |
| 20:15.54 | Unkle | Dagmar: I'll tell you a story about my brush with a GA bomb-squad in th Unibomber heyday sometime. |
| 20:15.57 | kd3 | http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/497/web |
| 20:16.44 | Dagmar | Now _there's_ some shit I'm glad I never had to deal with |
| 20:16.49 | Dagmar | I kinda fit his profile |
| 20:17.39 | Unkle | I used to run AOL's beta tests in the 90s. We let the beta testers design art to be printed on a premium item that we sent to all of them. |
| 20:17.56 | Unkle | The item in question was a coffee mug, shipped from a fulfillment house. |
| 20:18.08 | Unkle | The box was small, white, and largely unmarked. |
| 20:18.10 | Dagmar | AMG! |
| 20:18.23 | Unkle | One of the testers was CIT for US Robotics. |
| 20:18.52 | Unkle | His wife checked the mail, and there's this small box. with just an address and no return address on it. |
| 20:19.29 | Unkle | She called the police. They called the bomb squad. A robot took the box to a bunker where the box was imploded. |
| 20:19.31 | Torhal|work | Man, it's probably been since the late '90s or early 2000's since I've seen/heard US Robotics. |
| 20:19.47 | Dagmar | There's a reason for that |
| 20:20.02 | kd3 | heh. I'm reminded of the time we called the bomb squad at target for something innocuous back in... 2007 or so |
| 20:20.19 | Unkle | I got an email the next day asking if the item had been a coffee mug, and if so, could he get another? |
| 20:20.20 | Torhal|work | Hah |
| 20:20.22 | bleeter | straw poll: how many folks know how many bombings and candidates have been killed in the past 3 weeks for the upcoming Iraqi elections? |
| 20:20.37 | kd3 | bleeter; I'd answer with "all of them?" |
| 20:20.39 | Semlar | iraq has elections? |
| 20:20.53 | Torhal|work | OMFG http://www.usr.com/home.asp |
| 20:20.58 | Unkle | bleeter: WAY more explosions there than here. And getting a lot less coverage. |
| 20:21.03 | bleeter | answer: 12 bombings, 14 candidates. 0 media coverage |
| 20:21.28 | Semlar | are you sure that isn't just how they do things over there? |
| 20:21.37 | Semlar | we can't judge |
| 20:21.40 | Dagmar | Last man alive after four months wins? |
| 20:21.53 | Dagmar | Hunger Games kind of thing |
| 20:22.19 | Torhal|work | Oh shit (warning, gore) http://i.imgur.com/aYMFJMD.jpg |
| 20:22.28 | Dagmar | Danke. Not pulling it up |
| 20:22.35 | bleeter | Semlar: well I guess that means killing schoolkids in the US is okay because that's how things are done there... |
| 20:22.36 | Ressy | Its bad. |
| 20:23.11 | kd3 | amputation pic ^. nsfl |
| 20:24.56 | bleeter | I hope that guy manages to pull through with a Holy Grail Black Knight sense of humour :-/ |
| 20:25.18 | Cairenn | yeah =/ |
| 20:26.04 | bleeter | have some mil mates, one of them was a sarg and had his squad learn that scene backwards so if anyone got injured they could quote it to try and keep their spirits up |
| 20:28.25 | Dagmar | It would be a bigger shame to not be able to take advantage of a golden opportunity like that, no matter how dire. |
| 20:30.48 | Ressy | 2 more bombs found |
| 20:31.15 | Ressy | QUote from federal official: “Hell yes, these are bombs.” |
| 20:31.32 | Ressy | “Of the 2 additional bombs found, 1 was underneath the grandstand.” |
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| 20:31.56 | bleeter | london marathon officials now officially in freak mode |
| 20:32.34 | znf | someone hates people runnng |
| 20:32.53 | Dagmar | sheeeet |
| 20:33.48 | VIad | what is the motive to bomb london? |
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| 20:34.03 | Dagmar | It's been awhile? |
| 20:34.04 | Torhal|work | Same reason they did in 2005. |
| 20:34.04 | kd3 | people need a reason? |
| 20:34.06 | Cairenn | For those of you that have friends at Turbine (and haven't gotten to check in with them yet) - they've said on twitter that their offices are fine, they are outside the city |
| 20:34.18 | znf | I'm confused - is it in Boston or London?! |
| 20:34.22 | Torhal|work | Boston. |
| 20:34.23 | Cairenn | Boston |
| 20:34.23 | znf | didn't follow the news |
| 20:34.28 | Dagmar | People hate Turbine that much? |
| 20:34.54 | Ressy | hospitals where the people are being brought are on lockdown - all visitors kicked out, only patients allowed. |
| 20:34.54 | Cairenn | lol, no, just that everyone in the general area of boston are checking in to let people that care know that they are fine |
| 20:35.06 | Mr_Rabies | i've got a friend coming back from stockholm to boston today, i have a feeling this is gonna be a long day for him |
| 20:35.08 | Ressy | hotel where the runners meet back up is on lockdown. |
| 20:35.18 | Cairenn | just like how alestane checked in about him and his wife, dolby checked in about his sister, etc |
| 20:35.20 | kd3 | a pic of one of the explosions itself. holy crap: https://twitpic.com/cjmdwu |
| 20:36.49 | karl_w_w | yeah it's from here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fCgFCQAERWMB.jpg:large |
| 20:37.02 | Dagmar | That's just a crappy blow...er... zoom of the PBS pic |
| 20:41.02 | bleeter | one thing about it happening at a marathon, there were medicos around |
| 20:41.49 | bleeter | that's to say, medicos generally attend marathons for obvious reasons of runner fatigue. if it were at some other public even with large numbers of civvies around - sports or concerts - not so much |
| 20:43.34 | ccox | sports and concerts also have paramedics ready, but not as many as marathons |
| 20:43.59 | ccox | also looks like they had a good number of people who know basic first aid |
| 20:44.45 | ccox | (and I cannot believe that guy was still concious!) |
| 20:44.56 | Unkle | Shock can do a lot. |
| 20:45.09 | bleeter | shock causes adrenalin rush |
| 20:45.16 | bleeter | or vice versa |
| 20:45.25 | ccox | yeah, he was definitely in shock, but still... |
| 20:46.26 | karl_w_w | hopefully he got a nice quick dose of morphine at least |
| 20:47.01 | Dagmar | So, I wonder if the Mooninites have called in to take credit yet, or are they just going to get blamed anyway |
| 20:48.00 | Ressy | FBI has Surveillance photos of a man carrying backpacks, putting on in a trash can. |
| 20:48.01 | Torhal|work | Haven't heard of them since I lived in Waltham, MA in 1998 |
| 20:48.28 | kd3 | huh. a suspicious penske truck |
| 20:49.23 | Dagmar | People throw away backpacks all the time |
| 20:49.31 | Dagmar | Especially people carrying more than one of htem |
| 20:50.01 | karl_w_w | yeah it's perfectly regular to put loaded backpacks in the bin |
| 20:50.14 | Dagmar | I guess the key thing is that he didn't use any LEDs. |
| 20:50.15 | bleeter | http://www.zdnet.com/windows-its-over-7000013964/ |
| 20:50.31 | Ressy | Press conference: http://boston.cbslocal.com/live-video/ |
| 20:50.56 | kd3 | the penske truck tried to gain access to a medical area claiming it had supplies and now the fbi's looking for it |
| 20:51.01 | kd3 | huhs |
| 20:51.21 | Torhal|work | Definitely sounds like terrorists trying to make sure there was no medical help. |
| 20:51.45 | Dagmar | Oh dear |
| 20:53.11 | Ressy | JFK LIbrary explosion too |
| 20:54.56 | Ressy | 1/2 hr ago |
| 20:56.51 | bleeter | BP presser 'no specific type of truck we're looking for atm' |
| 20:58.30 | Ressy | nypost says 1 exploded in a hotel’s lobby? |
| 20:59.08 | ccox | there's going to be a lot of confusion with the bomb squad checking/detonating every package they find for a while |
| 20:59.13 | ccox | (and everything with LEDs) |
| 20:59.26 | Ackis | I feel good |
| 21:00.15 | Ackis | I told my disability case worker that I am not going back to work where the guy who assaulted me is |
| 21:00.44 | Torhal|work | Ackis: They didn't fucking fire his ass? WTH? |
| 21:01.05 | Ackis | no, apparently you're allowed to work in the finance area in the government with a criminal record |
| 21:01.13 | Torhal|work | ... |
| 21:01.16 | Ackis | (you also knew they didn't fire his ass :P) |
| 21:01.20 | Torhal|work | After assaulting a co-worker?!? |
| 21:01.25 | Ackis | PAY ATTENTION WHEN I TALK TO YOU DAMNIT |
| 21:01.35 | Torhal|work | Too much effort. |
| 21:01.58 | Ressy | “Cellphone service shut down in Boston to prevent remote detonations of explosives” |
| 21:02.26 | ccox | must mean they found a cell on one of the other packages |
| 21:03.00 | Ackis | big surprise, overreaction |
| 21:03.25 | ccox | (overreaction, from Boston Police? Really, I couldn't imagine that….) |
| 21:03.37 | Ackis | s/boston/american/ |
| 21:04.15 | Unkle | Ackis - I'm shocked that someone can commit assault on a coworker and remain employed, and then further shocked that they expect you to just continue working in the same area. |
| 21:04.22 | karl_w_w | somebody is blowing shit up, is *anything* an overreaction? |
| 21:04.24 | ccox | nah, bahstahn has a particular record of overreaction, especially to technology items |
| 21:04.39 | Ackis | Unkle: the latest was I had to actually work on that jackasses floor |
| 21:04.50 | ccox | Ackis - so you at least have a restraining order against him? |
| 21:04.55 | Ackis | had |
| 21:06.10 | Dagmar | Well, look on the bright side. |
| 21:06.25 | Dagmar | If you rear back and lay a right cross on him, your job is safe. |
| 21:06.48 | Ackis | karl_w_w: my point is that shutting off cell service won't actually accomplish anything... if I'm a terrorist I'm going to set up bombs with the knowledge that it would be their first reaction... IMO it will cause more harm in the confusion/panic it creates |
| 21:06.55 | Unkle | Ackis: it really is bureaucratic asshattery in the extreme. |
| 21:07.12 | ccox | most wouldn't think to have backup detonators |
| 21:07.23 | ccox | most devices have a single detonation method |
| 21:07.29 | bleeter | Ackis, karl_w_w: if I were a terrorist, I'd use software radios and citizen band type foo, not mobile |
| 21:07.46 | karl_w_w | yeah but we're nerds |
| 21:07.48 | ccox | bleeter: fortunately, you're smarter than them |
| 21:07.58 | Ackis | terrorists have access to the internet as well |
| 21:08.12 | Ackis | did they look up instructions with chrome? okay then, we need to disable chrome! |
| 21:08.20 | karl_w_w | and the internet tells them cell phones make good detonators |
| 21:08.37 | bleeter | must be looking it up on yahoo answers |
| 21:08.48 | Ackis | it should of also told them that disabling cell service if part of the incident response for cities |
| 21:09.07 | Stanzilla | Ackis: what did the guy do to you btw? |
| 21:09.11 | Dagmar | I think it was a diet pill vendor |
| 21:09.29 | Ackis | Stanzilla: took a glass and smashed it into my face giving me 50+ stitches for no reason |
| 21:09.36 | Stanzilla | wtf |
| 21:09.38 | Dagmar | Well, they don't really have to disable cell service |
| 21:09.41 | Dagmar | THe people will do that themselves. |
| 21:09.55 | Stanzilla | Ackis: just out of sudden or where you fighting? |
| 21:10.00 | Stanzilla | -h |
| 21:10.08 | bleeter | Ackis: here in .au, having to work with the person again would be inconceivable. you'd get to sue the dept. into the ground, etc. if they did |
| 21:10.18 | Ackis | Stanzilla: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/226597_5913686685_1876_n.jpg |
| 21:10.29 | Dagmar | Ackis: Upgrade that to crescent kick when he gets within reach then |
| 21:10.30 | Stanzilla | ouch |
| 21:10.33 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I was watching "The Girl Next Door" at his house, sitting on his couch |
| 21:11.20 | Dagmar | Oh. Well. That explains everything. |
| 21:11.28 | Dagmar | You were clearly oppressing the man's couch. |
| 21:12.45 | Dagmar | Seriously man, for fifty stitches I'd be carrying a roll of quarters everywhere I go. Just in case there's a sudden need to do laundry. |
| 21:13.26 | Unkle | And by laundry you mean, taking out the trash? |
| 21:13.56 | kd3 | oof, they just found a suspicious black backpack and are calling in the eod/evacuating the area |
| 21:14.20 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/8vKEj2v.jpg oh man, VERY GRAPHIC |
| 21:15.30 | Ackis | Stanzilla: both of his legs... gone |
| 21:16.35 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 21:20.33 | karl_w_w | Stanzilla: her face is very graphic? |
| 21:20.45 | Stanzilla | no |
| 21:20.54 | Stanzilla | I have no idea why her face is circled in that pic |
| 21:21.05 | Torhal|work | Stanzilla: Probably looks like someone. |
| 21:21.13 | ccox | or someone knows her |
| 21:21.30 | karl_w_w | well it's ming na obviously |
| 21:21.47 | kd3 | here's the uncircled version. WARNING: GORE! NSFL: http://i.imgur.com/aYMFJMD.jpg |
| 21:21.47 | karl_w_w | everyone knows her! |
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| 21:30.03 | karl_w_w | look how pale his hands are |
| 21:31.25 | ccox | that and the distant, distracted look - the second most obvious ways to tell that he's in shock. |
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| 21:34.13 | Unkle | ny post is reporting a suspect in custody, but who knows what that actually means. |
| 21:34.39 | bleeter | saw a report that BPD were saying they had nfi where NYP got that info from because it's not right |
| 21:35.04 | bleeter | http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boston-police-no-arrests-have-been-made-in |
| 21:36.02 | bleeter | gunna be a whole bunch of dodgy (wrong and false flag) info over the coming hours |
| 21:36.20 | karl_w_w | i saw a report that the BPD report about the NYP report was a fake report |
| 21:36.36 | bleeter | I saw a report that karl_w_w was a fake |
| 21:36.48 | karl_w_w | I saw that one too |
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| 21:56.16 | Dagmar | They should turn off all FM radio stations in addition to just turning off cell phones |
| 21:56.29 | Dagmar | It's actually easier and cheaper to do a coded FM radio transmission |
| 21:57.27 | Semlar | how would it be easier to do long range fm radio transmission than use a burner cell phone |
| 21:57.51 | zenzelezz | FM's not exactly new technology |
| 21:58.21 | Semlar | that really doesn't make it easier or simpler |
| 21:59.08 | Semlar | we've had nuclear technology for a while too |
| 21:59.58 | durcyn | yeah, that's an apt comparison. |
| 22:00.27 | Dagmar | yes, but a remote detonation trigger using a nuclear medium would be getting things slightly backwards |
| 22:01.11 | Dagmar | Semlar: Because one can generate an FM signal using about $20 in parts which have no serial numbers and exactly zero trackability |
| 22:01.32 | TC-work | Triangulation |
| 22:02.32 | Dagmar | Triangulation requires someone be listening |
| 22:02.39 | zenzelezz | I'm no expert on this, but triangulation seems difficult to me - I'm not aware of people keeping track of FM transmissions, and I'd imagine they'd not keep the signal running |
| 22:02.56 | TC-work | That makes it >0 trackability |
| 22:03.11 | Dagmar | I'm also *quite* sure the FCC needs advance warning to start such an effort |
| 22:03.35 | TC-work | All I'm saying is it is possible to track, not that it is easy or it's actually going to happen. |
| 22:03.50 | zenzelezz | fair enough |
| 22:03.53 | Dagmar | Cell phones have ESNs. IMEIs. Towers keep logs. |
| 22:04.08 | Ressy | There's apparently a penske truck & rental trailer sitting outside an airbase, which they're looking at now. |
| 22:04.26 | Dagmar | Just about every place you could buy a pay-as-you-go phone has cameras at the checkout counter. They keep those tapes six months or longer |
| 22:04.43 | Dagmar | Burner phones are actually really problematic. |
| 22:05.00 | Dagmar | They just _sound_ like a good idea because they're used on TV plots. |
| 22:05.28 | durcyn | uhhuh. jimbo's corner store with shitty low res cameras and a tape that's been reused for the past 8 years has a really strict retention policy. |
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| 22:06.48 | Dagmar | They sell a lot of prepaid phones do they? |
| 22:07.32 | Unkle | Lots of pre-paid phones get sold for lots of reasons, not just to be "untraceable phones for villainy" |
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| 22:08.46 | bleeter | suspect there's quite a few affairs conducted on prepaids |
| 22:08.52 | Unkle | parents give them to kids too, to keep them from over-spending on calls, texts and the like. |
| 22:09.13 | bleeter | aye |
| 22:09.17 | Dagmar | Yep. The FBI and DHS tend to not get involved with Mr. Baker diddling Mr. Candlemakers's wife |
| 22:09.31 | Unkle | And that's a very good ting |
| 22:09.43 | Unkle | s/ting/thing/ |
| 22:09.56 | Dagmar | ...but if they need to go to a manuf and say "Where was IMEI###### sold at?" they can find out |
| 22:10.00 | durcyn | Dagmar: if i was going to buy a burner for nefarious purposes, you can be sure i'd hit up the seediest corner store i could find. |
| 22:10.02 | Dagmar | ...and from there they can find out when. |
| 22:10.33 | Dagmar | durcyn: The problem there is that since they're easily pawnable and so on, places that don't have camera coverage keep them locked up |
| 22:10.50 | Dagmar | ...which means their $4.95/hour employees steal them |
| 22:10.55 | durcyn | hell, this was even an episode of the wire. |
| 22:10.58 | Dagmar | ...which leads back to keeping close eye on the stock |
| 22:11.02 | kd3|hate`net | potus speech |
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| 22:12.22 | Dagmar | Disabling the cell phone network is just security theatre |
| 22:12.30 | bleeter | another POTUS being sent grey by the citizens |
| 22:12.39 | Eridius | Dagmar: it is? |
| 22:12.59 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 22:13.16 | Eridius | Dagmar: why? remote-detonated bombs are typically done so by calling a cellphone attached to the bomb |
| 22:13.24 | Dagmar | In Iraq, sure. |
| 22:13.32 | Dagmar | In the US? When was the last time? |
| 22:13.40 | Dagmar | The bombs already went off |
| 22:13.43 | Eridius | when was the last time we had a bombing like this at all? |
| 22:13.47 | Eridius | sure, if those are the only ones |
| 22:13.55 | Dagmar | Exactly. You can't protect against _everything_ |
| 22:14.10 | Eridius | Dagmar: right, but temporarily blocking the cell network seems like a reasonable step |
| 22:14.28 | Dagmar | More useful it would have been to have people watching the marathon route looking for odd things like guys putting whole backpacks into trashcans |
| 22:14.31 | Eridius | "can't protect against everything" != "protecting against anything is useless" |
| 22:14.45 | Eridius | Dagmar: that's a preventative measure. Not a reactive measure |
| 22:14.48 | bleeter | Eridius: '96 |
| 22:15.01 | Eridius | bleeter: what was the event? |
| 22:15.02 | Dagmar | Eridius: Sure seems like a reactive measure to me |
| 22:15.15 | bleeter | Eridius: Olympics |
| 22:15.23 | Eridius | Dagmar: watching the route? Presumably the bombs have already been planted, so it's a bit late to watch for someone planting one |
| 22:15.46 | Dagmar | Yes, and the Secret Service doesn't check the hell out of a place before the President visits |
| 22:15.53 | Eridius | huh? |
| 22:16.48 | Dagmar | If the President is going to visit somewhere, the Secret Service will show up well ahead of time and check the place out real careful like |
| 22:17.02 | Dagmar | The bombs _already_ went off in Boston. |
| 22:17.16 | bleeter | anyways, I thought IEDs and similar had moved away from mobile tech to other radio foo |
| 22:17.23 | Eridius | Dagmar: these bombs did, yes. But putting in a basic precaution against secondary bombs seems reasonable |
| 22:17.29 | Dagmar | Turning off the cell phone network is just security theatre because they don't know what else to do. The bombs went off hours ago. |
| 22:17.57 | Dagmar | It's highly unlikely as well as unprecedented that there would be more to detonate at this late hour. |
| 22:18.08 | Dagmar | There are _lots_ of unprecedented threats. |
| 22:18.09 | Eridius | you're acting as though they just shut off the network in the past few minutes |
| 22:18.16 | Gnarfoz | unprecedented *remote* detonated? maybe. |
| 22:18.17 | bleeter | all disabling cell networks does, is engage the enemy in a radio comms arms race |
| 22:18.24 | Eridius | and no, it's not unprecedented to have secondary bombs go off later |
| 22:18.43 | Dagmar | First two went off within a half hour of each other. |
| 22:18.51 | Dagmar | First two sets, I should say |
| 22:19.15 | Dagmar | People snap back "because burner phones!" but that's some shit you see on TV. |
| 22:19.31 | Dagmar | There are much easier and less traceable ways to do remote signalling |
| 22:19.39 | Dagmar | Like, hey hey... IPv4. |
| 22:19.50 | Dagmar | Wifi. You're _soaking in it_. Run a warstumbler sometime. |
| 22:20.11 | Dagmar | This would be completely unaffected by disabling cell networks. |
| 22:20.22 | Eridius | Dagmar: and what, have the bomb itself regularly poll some website for a command code? That's a hell of a lot more complicated than setting up a cell-triggered bomb |
| 22:20.49 | Eridius | the fact that it's possible to design a bomb that doesn't use the cell network doesn't mean it's pointless to disable the cell network |
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| 22:20.58 | Dagmar | Nope. It's actually pretty trivial on most smartphones. Smartphones you can obtain for $50 and which will only be "seen" in the vicinity of the thing |
| 22:21.00 | Torhal|work | ~popcorn |
| 22:21.00 | purl | well, popcorn is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f2YL_MThI, which is epic. |
| 22:21.01 | Eridius | because a cellphone bomb is vastly simpler to build |
| 22:21.25 | Eridius | Dagmar: huh? how is a smartphone going to trigger a bomb? |
| 22:21.36 | Dagmar | Same way any other. Vibration circuit |
| 22:21.37 | Gnarfoz | same way as any other phone |
| 22:21.38 | Eridius | you going to build a custom app that uses the accessory port to detonate? |
| 22:21.44 | Gnarfoz | blah |
| 22:21.44 | Dagmar | wget |
| 22:21.50 | Dagmar | GNU licenced even |
| 22:21.56 | Gnarfoz | how do you think a dumbphone does it |
| 22:22.28 | Eridius | Gnarfoz: don't you yank a wire from the phone and plug that into the bomb or something? The wire goes live when the cellphone gets a call |
| 22:22.37 | Gnarfoz | "or something" |
| 22:22.50 | Gnarfoz | yes? and why wouldn't you be able to do the same on a smartphone? |
| 22:22.57 | Dagmar | The vibrator motor in any cell is stupid easy to spot |
| 22:22.58 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. why what was your question again?) |
| 22:23.04 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 22:23.40 | Eridius | I don't understand your point. It's a lot simpler to build a dumbphone bomb, especially for someone who's not a programmer (newsflash: Most people aren't programmers) |
| 22:23.41 | Gnarfoz | the only point of mentioning smartphones was that they regularily come with wi-fi + are easily scriptable or whatever |
| 22:23.57 | Eridius | yes, it's certainly possible to build a bomb that detonates over wifi. But it's simply not very likely |
| 22:24.01 | Dagmar | Newsflash... if you can manage to make a bomb, you can probably handle wget |
| 22:24.01 | Gnarfoz | Eridius: but then they still rely on the cell network, which was Dagmar's point |
| 22:24.43 | Gnarfoz | you must not have been here long. after about 5 minutes, everything in here deteriorates/improves/converts into a theoretical discussion of possibilities ;) |
| 22:24.48 | Dagmar | It doesn't require anything like "programming" skills. |
| 22:25.37 | Dagmar | Hence, security _theater_. Someone "could" use a cell phone trigger, but there's a lot of things they could do that have nothing to do with that |
| 22:25.37 | Unkle | All you need is an electrical current that triggers on your signal. |
| 22:25.53 | Gnarfoz | actually, how would you trigger (for example) the vibrator from, say, a wget return value? |
| 22:25.58 | Dagmar | ...many of which would be considerably cheaper and leave _less_ of a trace |
| 22:26.23 | Gnarfoz | or leave wget out of it: how to trigger on demand? echo 10 > /sys/vibrator/vibrate? ;D |
| 22:26.33 | Dagmar | if wget http://blah; then /path/to/other/app/that/shakes; fi |
| 22:26.39 | Gnarfoz | right |
| 22:27.03 | Dagmar | Hundreds of dinky assed apps in the Android app store |
| 22:27.18 | Gnarfoz | app that imitates an electric shaver |
| 22:27.23 | Gnarfoz | or whatever |
| 22:27.40 | Eridius | Dagmar: you're far too caught up in the idea that it's possible to circumvent the cell network to even begin to consider how likely it is that the bomb builder actually did |
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| 22:28.07 | Gnarfoz | Eridius: that may be right, but see above: we've long ago left the realm of what's likely |
| 22:28.09 | Dagmar | I'm not "caught up" in anything. |
| 22:28.13 | Eridius | not to mention the cost/benefit analysis. Another bomb going off would be terrible. Even if there's a 98% chance that the bomb doens't use the cell network, it's still worth shutting it down temporarily |
| 22:28.20 | Eridius | Dagmar: yes you are, in your insistence that it's security theater |
| 22:28.26 | Dagmar | Really? 98%? |
| 22:28.31 | Dagmar | Security _theatre_ |
| 22:28.47 | Eridius | really? You're going to emphasize the spelling as if that makes a difference? |
| 22:28.52 | Eridius | or maybe you're just a troll. I dunno anymore |
| 22:28.58 | Dagmar | It's what one does when one has no idea, and one tries to assign bogus values to everything |
| 22:29.19 | Eridius | wait, are you really trying to quibble over the random number 98% which I made up as an absurdly _high_ chance? |
| 22:29.21 | Dagmar | If there's only a 2% chance someone might not be making cell phone bombs, then the cell phone neetwork should be turned off _all the time_ |
| 22:29.36 | Dagmar | Yes, you can't do a CBA on this, because there is no way to compute trends. |
| 22:29.38 | Eridius | Dagmar: ah, straw man argument. |
| 22:29.53 | Eridius | That's it, I'm done. |
| 22:29.56 | durcyn | Eridius: maybe you haven't met Dagmar, words that describe him include: bloviate, pontificate, and possibly also drunk |
| 22:30.19 | Dagmar | 'cept I'm also the kind of guy who sits around thinking about this shit. |
| 22:30.36 | Gnarfoz | good for you |
| 22:30.43 | Dagmar | You should try flying with me. |
| 22:31.12 | Eridius | Dagmar: you're too focused on the idea that you can sneak in through an unlocked attic window that you insist locking the front door is security theatre |
| 22:31.22 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 22:31.32 | Dagmar | You already got broken into |
| 22:32.06 | Eridius | right, because the fact that bombs already went off means we don't need to care if more bombs go off |
| 22:32.18 | Eridius | argh, why haven't I left yet? I said I was done |
| 22:32.21 | Dagmar | However, if you were serious about keeping burglars out, you'd probably want to lock that window as well |
| 22:32.22 | Eridius | switches rooms |
| 22:32.25 | Semlar|Laptop | run eridius! |
| 22:32.33 | Eridius | Semlar|Laptop: ahh highlighting! |
| 22:32.37 | Semlar|Laptop | FLY, YOU FOOL! |
| 22:32.48 | Unkle | wait, wait, wait... drunk is /my/ descriptor. |
| 22:32.52 | Dagmar | Run before some terrurists gitya |
| 22:33.07 | Semlar|Laptop | more importantly they cancelled jeopardy |
| 22:33.12 | durcyn | Unkle: i picked up a used kegerator last week, let's fight for it. |
| 22:33.18 | Semlar|Laptop | so the terrorists have already won |
| 22:33.21 | durcyn | the title, not the beer fridge. |
| 22:33.41 | Unkle | durcyn: ... you win. I just have whiskey in case lots. |
| 22:39.03 | Unkle | Of which I will probably drink lots tonight. |
| 22:39.17 | Unkle | because what has been seen cannot be unseen. |
| 22:50.18 | TC-work | Fuck alpha's sideways. |
| 22:51.51 | Torhal|work | pulls a knife. |
| 22:51.58 | Torhal|work | You will not steal my booze! |
| 22:52.08 | durcyn | is that your name for people who use apostrphe'''''s in plural''''s? |
| 22:53.05 | Unkle | Who is alpha, and how do they own a "sidways"? |
| 22:53.39 | TC-work | yes fine, my grasp of grammar is sub freakin par. |
| 22:54.47 | TC-work | I just got a shiny new GTX Titan and the game is still shitting all over the framerates. |
| 22:55.19 | Torhal|work | If you're talking WoW, then yes. |
| 22:55.26 | Torhal|work | CPU-bound like a mofo! |
| 22:56.03 | TC-work | I am doing this on Dual hexa-core xeons. |
| 22:56.09 | TC-work | and it's not wow |
| 22:56.25 | Torhal|work | Ok. Because if it was, your dual-hexacore doesn't mean shit either :) |
| 22:56.31 | Torhal|work | Anywho, heading home. |
| 22:56.38 | TC-work | It's single threaded? |
| 23:01.51 | Primer | most games are |
| 23:02.10 | Primer | Only thing people seem to be able to do is farm off music to a separate thread |
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| 23:47.39 | VIad | let's build a cpu that is one threaded but so powerful it doesn't mater that it's single threaded :P |
| 23:47.57 | VIad | the ultimate wow gaming cpu |
| 23:49.00 | kd3 | that's what we did until we started running into issues back in the northwood/prescott era, back when speed was all that mattered |
| 23:49.56 | Torhal | kd3: Pay no attention to the man behind the capital I. |
| 23:50.30 | kd3 | s%we%intel/amd% |
| 23:50.50 | kd3 | bah, purl doesn't like nontraditional sed separators |
| 23:53.09 | Semlar | typical robot |
| 23:53.30 | VIad | what is better, 8 cores 10Ghz or 1 core 100Ghz cpu? |
| 23:53.46 | Torhal | VIad: I'd prefer NOT having a house fire. |
| 23:54.01 | VIad | assuming both run at stable <100C temps ofc :P |
| 23:54.25 | foxlit | personally, I prefer unicorns. |
| 23:54.35 | Semlar | unicorns can't compute shit |
| 23:54.51 | Semlar | i got a calculator that's smarter than a unicorn |
| 23:54.53 | foxlit | unicorns would have you know they solved p = np. |
| 23:55.07 | Semlar | i'll believe it when i see it |
| 23:55.15 | Corrodias | VIad: depends on the use case |
| 23:55.20 | VIad | WoW |
| 23:55.22 | VIad | :P |
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| 23:55.32 | VIad | nah something like lots of calculations |
| 23:55.37 | VIad | something non-threaded by design |
| 23:55.53 | VIad | like most things are |
| 23:55.57 | Corrodias | if i need something to process up to 8 threads -smoothly- with minimal interruption, then i'll go for the 8-core, but otherwise, that 1 core at 10 times the speed should be superior for just about anything, yeah? |
| 23:56.20 | Semlar | one faster core would almost always be better |
| 23:56.34 | Semlar | unless you can take advantage of parallellllllllism |
| 23:57.52 | Semlar | like, i'd rather have a bullet train than two freight trains |
| 23:58.13 | Semlar | actually i'd probably settle for whatever train i could get |
| 23:58.20 | Semlar | trains are awesome |
| 23:58.35 | VIad | how do you code a threaded app to calculate something like fibonacci? |
| 23:58.42 | VIad | since the next result depends on the last result |
| 23:58.55 | VIad | in this case one core would be more effective no? |
| 23:59.41 | Primer | s/more effective/the only way/ |
| 23:59.48 | Semlar | right how else would you do it |
| 23:59.55 | Corrodias | thinks about that for a second |
| 23:59.56 | Semlar | if it truly requires you to do it in sequence |
