| 00:02.09 | doub | are there many addon developper with formal programming education, or are most people here self-taught? |
| 00:02.53 | Semlar | i would say the majority of addon developers are amateurs |
| 00:03.16 | bleeter | agree, but then again the majority of developers in general are amateurs |
| 00:03.25 | bleeter | in the true sense of the word, doing it for love not money |
| 00:04.08 | A-KO | doub: I'm sure some/many of the higher end managed ones are professional developers to some degree. |
| 00:05.27 | bleeter | sings.... "aaaaallll buquerque" |
| 00:06.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.11 | bleeter | doub: some started out as amateurs and got their degrees after their addons became widely used, so it can be a bit of a grey area really |
| 00:06.44 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: weird al ftw |
| 00:07.13 | bleeter | eg, jnwhiteh may now well have qualifications and stuffs, but once upon a time he was just this guy you know |
| 00:07.40 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: good earworm ftw :) |
| 00:08.40 | doub | i'm asking because i'm a professionnal developper (not of wow addons) and i've been offered work on an addon, being told it's hard to find pros (i have no idea where they did look for though) |
| 00:10.07 | znf | I wonder who had the "great" idea of having that Windows Update prompt steal focus when it pops up.. |
| 00:10.46 | Semlar | you can't sell addons so it depends on how you define professional |
| 00:11.00 | znf | CURSE POINTS! |
| 00:11.08 | bleeter | BITCOINS! |
| 00:11.49 | znf | yeah... no |
| 00:11.58 | znf | even if they're gonna be worth $1000, I still find that currency silly |
| 00:11.59 | bleeter | :D |
| 00:12.30 | bleeter | it's about as silly as curse points (pegged to USD) |
| 00:12.43 | znf | well, 1 BTC is $167 lately |
| 00:12.47 | bleeter | or any other non .au currency for that matter |
| 00:13.00 | Arrowmaster | bitcoin went up that much? |
| 00:13.01 | bleeter | BTC went from >200 to 99 in the past 12 hours, iirc |
| 00:13.16 | znf | http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html |
| 00:13.19 | znf | still says $167 |
| 00:13.39 | bleeter | Mt Gox price at 2013-04-11 10:11:56 +1000 - High: AU$248.50 Low: AU$99.91 Average: AU$186.15 Last Trade: AU$158.63 |
| 00:13.57 | bleeter | I believe that's a 24 hour Hi/Low |
| 00:14.02 | bleeter | but could be wrong |
| 00:14.09 | znf | it's too volatile to be taken seriously :D |
| 00:14.37 | bleeter | wouldn't be surprised if federal banks/reserves are trying to manipulate it by now |
| 00:14.49 | bleeter | causing mayhem before banning/regulating |
| 00:15.36 | bleeter | I still reckon the best way to predict price fluctuations is looking at the CVE matrices of the various platforms the major exchange/wallet providers use |
| 00:24.20 | Primer | There's speculation that today's wild drop is due to artificial manipulation |
| 00:24.56 | Primer | The price is recovering though, which tends to bolster the bitcoin people's argument of viability |
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| 00:27.02 | Primer | I think it's interesting that by its nature it's not susceptible to inflation. In fact, quite the opposite. It's bound to deflate over time. |
| 00:27.54 | foxlit | And that's a good thing? |
| 00:28.31 | Primer | Definitely |
| 00:28.49 | foxlit | why? |
| 00:29.35 | Stanzilla | foxlit: a friend told about a problem in opie, when you use all your healthstone charges in combat and then loot a new one (still in combat) the display in opie does not refresh |
| 00:30.40 | foxlit | That seems extremely weird, there should be a rather straightforward path from GetItemCount to the charge display. |
| 00:30.44 | Primer | foxlit: because there's no way to inflate the money by minting more |
| 00:31.09 | foxlit | Primer: "lack of inflation is good because there's no inflation." |
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| 00:32.26 | doub | that's assuming inflation is a bad thing |
| 00:32.34 | Primer | foxlit: I have a bitcoin. It has the value of X. I have a dollar, it has a value of Y. The gov't prints a fuckton more dollars, now my dollar is worth Y/2. |
| 00:32.52 | znf | h-oh-uh :-( |
| 00:32.54 | znf | As in all you need to do is reboot to double the computing power of your Linode. |
| 00:33.03 | znf | man, so many upgrades on linode :-S |
| 00:33.08 | doub | Primer: that encourages you to spend your dollar before the inflation, which may be a good thing |
| 00:33.12 | bleeter | reboots znf |
| 00:33.26 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.31 | znf | I so don't want to reboot :D |
| 00:34.16 | bleeter | why can't they just hotplug the new CPUs for you?!!!! ;) |
| 00:34.49 | znf | :> |
| 00:35.12 | znf | I already have a disk space upgrading for, like... 2 years or so |
| 00:35.13 | foxlit | Primer: imagine getting a loan with that sort of currency |
| 00:35.18 | Primer | I'm from Brazil. I lived there during a time when there was 100% daily inflation. The prices of things would change on a daily basis. |
| 00:35.29 | Primer | Sometimes twice a day (gasoline, for example) |
| 00:36.08 | bleeter | all currencies, virtual and fiat, are basically ponzi schemes |
| 00:36.08 | Primer | One thing people did to ensure their money retained value was buy US dollars |
| 00:36.22 | Primer | When there's nothing backing it, sure |
| 00:36.36 | Primer | The US dollar was backed in gold up until 1971, I believe |
| 00:37.42 | bleeter | which is as dumb as anything else |
| 00:39.47 | Primer | What, that it was backed by gold? |
| 00:39.54 | Primer | How else can you convince people to use it then? |
| 00:40.52 | Semlar | because currency has inherent value, that's why it's a currency |
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| 00:41.09 | doub | telling them you won't inflate is the same as telling them you back it with gold |
| 00:41.21 | doub | they have to trust you anyway |
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| 00:43.00 | Primer | ultimately, yes, they do |
| 00:43.02 | foxlit | Where are the training dummies in Orgrimmar? |
| 00:43.22 | Semlar | there are some above the tunnel to the valley of honor |
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| 00:43.40 | doub | is there a PTR for 5.3 already? |
| 00:43.42 | Primer | You play without nameplates, don't you? |
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| 00:44.31 | bleeter | I play without pants |
| 00:44.35 | foxlit | me? |
| 00:45.18 | Primer | yes |
| 00:45.31 | foxlit | yes, no, maybe, sometimes. |
| 00:45.39 | Primer | They're kinda hard to miss when flying from one side of Org to the other |
| 00:45.51 | foxlit | Level 37 in this case. |
| 00:45.55 | Primer | ahh |
| 00:45.58 | Primer | then I pardon you |
| 00:48.00 | Stanzilla | foxlit: doesn't the stone stop displaying alltogether in the ring if you have 0 charges? |
| 00:48.17 | bleeter | I had stones in my ring once |
| 00:48.36 | bleeter | gets his coat |
| 00:48.49 | foxlit | Stanzilla: can't update it in combat. |
| 00:49.11 | Stanzilla | that's what I thought |
| 00:49.12 | foxlit | If you lose all your charges in combat, you should have a question mark placeholder until you exit combat. |
| 00:49.37 | foxlit | If you summon the stone again while still in combat, that question mark should be a stone again. |
| 00:50.07 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 00:50.37 | foxlit | So I guess what is likely the problem is that he loses the stone while out of combat, which syncs, and resummons it in combat. |
| 00:51.06 | foxlit | Maybe macro it as /use [nomod] Healthstone; Create Healthstone or something. |
| 00:53.09 | foxlit | hm, it actually doesn't turn into a question mark, just an unusable healthstone |
| 00:54.34 | foxlit | and updates correctly if you summon it again; it's just an issue if you don't have a healthstone when you enter combat and summon it during combat. |
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| 01:21.37 | znf | so Stanzilla |
| 01:21.45 | znf | what do you think - 5.3 in ~3 weeks? |
| 01:21.49 | znf | less? more? |
| 01:21.50 | Stanzilla | 2-3 yes |
| 01:21.59 | Stanzilla | and I'll tell him that, foxlit |
| 01:22.24 | znf | I fuckin' missed 15 VPs last night.. now by counter is screwed up |
| 01:22.41 | znf | my* |
| 01:23.50 | bleeter | Soon(tm) |
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| 02:39.09 | doub | i'd like my addon to add a new command in the list of wow key bindings, can someone tell me where to start looking for to declare such a command ? |
| 02:39.52 | doub | also, is it possible to register a "default" key binding when i add the command, so that my user doesn't have to configure it? |
| 02:41.12 | Seerah | doub: http://www.wowpedia.org/Creating_key_bindings |
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| 02:46.56 | doub | do you know where i can find a list of key names (or maybe a script to list them ingame)? i'm especially interested in special keys |
| 02:49.45 | Seerah | I don't know what special keys you want, but this list was current as of 3.3 it says. http://www.wowpedia.org/BindingID |
| 02:50.07 | Seerah | oops, disregard that - wrong list |
| 02:51.41 | Seerah | doub: what key do you want? |
| 02:52.29 | doub | well, all rare stuff, like buttons beyond 5, keys only existing on some foreign keyboards, virtual keys not existing on any actual keyboard |
| 02:53.48 | doub | i need to trigger stuff in wow from custom hardware, ideally not conflicting with any (user configurable) regular input |
| 02:53.58 | Seerah | If you're unsure what a binding is called, bind it in the keybind interface, log out (or exit the game) and then look in the bindings-cache.wtf file in your WTF folder (there's one in account and one in character) |
| 02:54.33 | doub | well, what i'm looking for is valid key names that a user would not be able to use with an common keyboard and mouse |
| 02:54.46 | Seerah | if you don't want your addon to overwrite anything the user has set in their keybindings menu (ie, in case they uninstall your addon) then use SetOverrideBinding() |
| 02:55.16 | Seerah | are you creating a list of keys? why? |
| 02:57.08 | doub | i'm working on an addon that let you assign stuff to buttons on an advanced gaming mouse with many buttons, working for the mouse manufacturer |
| 02:57.53 | Seerah | so, like the Razr Naga? |
| 02:58.00 | doub | the mouse buttons send fake keyboard combos that are rarely used (like ALT-CTRL-NUMPAD1) |
| 02:58.06 | doub | yes, in that category |
| 02:58.27 | doub | i'm looking for "impossible" to use keyboards combos, to avoid potential conflicts |
| 02:58.58 | Seerah | I'm guessing you're setting up different profiles to choose from for which buttons to use? (like the Naga can use F keys or numpad) |
| 02:59.00 | doub | i can always let the user choose a non-conflicting combo, but that would mean setting it in wow, and in the mouse software, which is redundant and annoying for the user |
| 03:00.04 | doub | i just need a set of 30 or so unused key combos, but i see no way to list that and communicate it between the addon and the mouse driver |
| 03:00.12 | Seerah | (don't forget that SHIFT-NUMPAD8, for example, won't work ;) ) |
| 03:00.38 | Seerah | just throwing that out there, since many many users want it to |
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| 03:01.27 | Seerah | I don't have a Naga, so I'm not sure if you select the profile from within the addon, the driver software or both... |
| 03:04.04 | doub | well, i can't run the mouse software yet, i'm waiting to receive one (tomorrow) |
| 03:04.37 | doub | the current version of the addon is actually using SetOverrideBinding, but that means it may be preventing a user configured binding from working, right? |
| 03:06.32 | Seerah | As I said, SetOverrideBinding is what to use for the binding to be stored with your addon and not on the server. That way, if someone uninstalls your addon, their original bindings are still in place. |
| 03:07.04 | Seerah | You don't have to do it that way. But that's generally the preferred method afaik |
| 03:07.09 | Seerah | (that's what I use) |
| 03:07.52 | doub | ideally i'd like to avoid the conflict altogether, since the actual key combo used doesn't matter, the mouse can generate anything |
| 03:08.24 | Seerah | The user should know what combination the mouse is using and have the ability to change it though |
| 03:09.30 | doub | but then he would have to change it at two places, in the mouse driver and in the game, which is error prone |
| 03:10.08 | doub | well, in the game he would just have to press the right mouse button, so i guess that's ok |
| 03:10.20 | Seerah | How are you going to determine what key-combo to use? |
| 03:13.55 | doub | picked at random among the unused ones? |
| 03:14.19 | doub | the keys are saved server side, but is there a cached copy in a local file ? |
| 03:14.39 | Seerah | If the user has no idea what the addon is going to use, how will they know not to bind to a different addon? |
| 03:15.11 | Seerah | /s/bind to/bind that combo to |
| 03:15.20 | doub | maybe i can detect a new keybinding has been setup and use another unused key from now on? |
| 03:16.04 | doub | i don't know what's possible and what isn't, that's why i'm asking here |
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| 03:16.30 | Seerah | the addon cannot communicate with the mouse software |
| 03:16.37 | Seerah | wow is a sandbox |
| 03:16.58 | bluspacecow | *builds a sandcastle* |
| 03:17.01 | bluspacecow | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Seerah |
| 03:17.31 | Seerah | It's possible for the software to scan the contents of both bindings-cache.wtf files and then rewrite portions of the addon file accordingly, but not while wow is running. |
| 03:17.35 | Seerah | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii blu! |
| 03:20.30 | Ackis | how the hell do I make a US itunes account? |
| 03:21.37 | Seerah | I don't know :p I no itunes |
| 03:22.23 | bluspacecow | you fake the address but make sure the town , locale and zip code match |
| 03:22.41 | Torhal | fakes bluspacecow. |
| 03:22.47 | bluspacecow | there's plenty of sites out there that tell you the zip codes for the various states and provinces. street can be faked. the rest not. |
| 03:22.48 | Ackis | it requires a valid payment method |
| 03:22.51 | Seerah | no one calls it a locale in the US, blu :p |
| 03:22.57 | bluspacecow | select none |
| 03:22.59 | xyphoid | add a free product to your card |
| 03:23.00 | xyphoid | cart |
| 03:23.04 | bluspacecow | just use gift cards |
| 03:23.15 | xyphoid | that lets you create an account without a payment method |
| 03:23.52 | xyphoid | http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534 |
| 03:25.54 | Torhal | Ackis: You have a Canadian account with stuff on it already…what the hell do you want from the US that you're willing to have a second? :P |
| 03:27.07 | Ackis | Torhal: http://iospickoftheweek.com/3385/angry-birds-star-wars/ US only |
| 03:27.25 | Torhal | BTW: If anyone in channel in North America vapes (uses an electronic cigarette) there's a co-op ending at midnight EST: http://redd.it/1c1w5c |
| 03:27.41 | Torhal | Ackis: Wow. |
| 03:28.36 | Torhal | You do realize that this is just Angry Birds in costumes, right? |
| 03:28.51 | Torhal | I mean yeah, new "levels" and such, but c'mon. |
| 03:30.49 | Ackis | free! |
| 03:33.00 | bluspacecow | lightsabers |
| 03:49.40 | kd3 | on a password reset form: "Your password has been successfully changed. Warning: Notify your administrator/advisor immediately if you did not request that your password be reset." |
| 03:49.42 | kd3 | er... |
| 03:57.52 | smcn | lol |
| 03:59.02 | Iriel | i.e. if you've just fallen victim to a CSRF or XSS attack |
| 04:33.43 | airtonix_ | Ackis: where does it say you have to have a US account? (btw google play has that free for everyone) |
| 04:34.06 | Ackis | airtonix_: when you try to redeem the code |
| 04:34.24 | airtonix_ | Ackis: what code? there's just a "download on itunes" button. |
| 04:34.47 | Ackis | and it loads itunes and redeems a "code"... when it doesn't work, you get an error saying it can only be redeemed in the US store |
| 04:35.22 | airtonix_ | douchebag apple... business as usual |
| 04:37.00 | Fisker | hello |
| 04:38.11 | airtonix_ | Ackis: just turn on your nexus7 and install it from the play store instead. |
| 04:38.38 | Ackis | I have it on my nexus, galaxy tab 2, galaxy 2... I just wanted it on my ipad as well |
| 04:38.43 | airtonix_ | i mean it's not like you have a psychosis that requires you to install on an apple device? |
| 04:38.58 | Fisker | hello Ackis |
| 04:39.12 | Ackis | if it's free, I want it... I'm cheap |
| 04:39.15 | bluspacecow | ~botsnack Fisker |
| 04:39.15 | purl | bluspacecow: aw, gee |
| 04:39.28 | airtonix_ | Ackis: i find that funny since you have apple devices. |
| 04:39.38 | Ackis | just the ipad |
| 04:39.45 | Ackis | I bought it to play skylanders :( |
| 04:39.51 | Fisker | why would you even ipad_ |
| 04:39.52 | Fisker | ? |
| 04:39.53 | airtonix_ | oh derp |
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| 05:30.19 | Eridius | hrm, bigwigs now tries to set your role in raids, but it doesn't do the obvious thing of setting it when you actually enter the raid |
| 05:30.36 | Eridius | I guess it does it when bw is enabled though |
| 05:40.37 | karl_w_w | Fisker: An error occurred. Please try again. |
| 05:44.51 | bleeter | A Fisker occurred. Please give up life. |
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| 05:50.37 | Torhal | airtonix_: I thought perhaps Fisker had finally eaten you. Been awhile. |
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| 07:32.36 | Rampd | Hi All |
| 07:35.31 | zenzio | hi |
| 07:35.42 | Kalroth | hejsa venner! |
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| 09:31.30 | nebula169 | Eridius: it starts when it gets enabled, then will update on talent changes |
| 09:32.01 | nebula169 | oh snap, that was 4 hours ago, lol |
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| 11:56.33 | airtonix_ | a life occured, please fisker give. |
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| 12:07.44 | bleeter | what the Fisker give, the Fisker taketh away |
| 12:38.08 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/PtijJkj.jpg |
| 12:39.03 | Semlar | how should i make this look good |
| 12:47.16 | foxlit | you could stop doing that entirely |
| 12:47.23 | foxlit | and just play with quest NPC names on |
| 12:51.09 | airtonix | semlar, get rid of the quest name |
| 12:51.25 | airtonix | put counter right aligned next to mob name |
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| 12:52.01 | airtonix | possibly, colour counter bubble to reference same colour in quest list for correlation |
| 12:52.33 | Semlar | i need to find some mobs that i have multiple quests for |
| 12:54.04 | Semlar | how would you display multiple objectives |
| 12:55.28 | Semlar | like, kill 10 of these and loot 25 bat brains |
| 12:57.23 | Semlar | just displaying 1/10 is fine if it's a kill quest but i'm not sure it's enough information for other ones |
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| 13:08.18 | airtonix | moar bubbles |
| 13:08.22 | airtonix | MOAR |
| 13:08.32 | airtonix | all the way off the screen |
| 13:27.18 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/KMCstkt.jpg well, that's sort of an improvement |
| 13:28.14 | VIad | new API or? |
| 13:28.21 | VIad | probably just C-side, sigh |
| 13:28.33 | Semlar | nah it's an addon i'm working on |
| 13:28.34 | VIad | just annoying having to override the C-side nameplates sometimes |
| 13:28.36 | VIad | aah |
| 13:29.08 | Semlar | it's supposed to put the objective on the nameplate if it's for a quest |
| 13:29.34 | VIad | string matching or? |
| 13:29.46 | Semlar | i'm trying to make it not look bad |
| 13:29.49 | VIad | we need a "nameplate#" unit :P |
| 13:30.02 | VIad | would make it much easier making addons to put stuff on the nameplates, hehe |
| 13:34.21 | Semlar | it would be nice if they put the guid in the nameplate |
| 13:34.49 | VIad | waiting to see what they do in 5.3, I read they'd do some nameplate changes, but god knows what unannounced changes they could make. |
| 13:42.07 | VIad | Semlar: what do you think of the new ingame browser proxy? |
| 13:43.02 | Semlar | haven't used it |
| 13:53.24 | Semlar | VIad: how should i make this look better |
| 13:55.13 | karl_w_w | weird, flying from shado-pan garrison to isle of giants goes the long way via westwind rest, when there's a much more direct route |
| 13:55.46 | karl_w_w | it must calculate the best route by number of stops rather than distance |
| 13:56.12 | Semlar | it's just trying to save you money |
| 13:57.08 | karl_w_w | oh no, it's cos u cant fly across townlong |
| 13:57.12 | karl_w_w | there's no connection there |
| 13:57.14 | karl_w_w | so smart |
| 13:57.28 | karl_w_w | no wait im wrong, there is |
| 13:58.08 | karl_w_w | it's kota basecamp to longying that there's no connection |
| 13:58.55 | karl_w_w | still it could fly longying-winter's blossom-kota |
| 13:59.41 | karl_w_w | which is the same number of stops |
| 14:03.42 | VIad | hmm, true random generator, can't one use a microphone feed for instance and generate numbers from it? |
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| 14:04.09 | VIad | as long there is flux in the signal it should suffice to generate something out of it, no? |
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| 14:45.03 | Lopeppeppy | Never do that for which you do not possess sufficient bail money! |
| 14:45.35 | karl_w_w | farkin hell i just got some awesome off-set chest from an oondasta bonus roll |
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| 14:47.08 | Lopeppeppy | Auto bail! |
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| 14:49.47 | karl_w_w | so i started watching cloud atlas and then realised im not in the mood for a 3 hour movie |
| 14:50.13 | VIad | cloud atlas was a fun experience |
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| 14:56.15 | TC-work | Meh, I hate when they do that in books. Movies are not much better when it comes to that |
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| 15:16.06 | VIad | about cloud atlas, found this on wiki "Immediately after the film's release, the advocacy group Media Action Network for Asian Americans (MANAA) criticized the film for the use of what is sometimes labelled 'yellowface' makeup to allow non-Asian actors to portray certain Asian characters in the neo-Seoul sequences." |
| 15:16.56 | VIad | I just don't see why it's offensive, considering the movie and the purpose of said makeup, is not that of an offensive one. |
| 15:21.07 | Unkle | VIad: There's a lot of long-running practices in Hollywood where primarily white actors play every other race, even when there are perfectly capable actors of the race available to play an ethnic part. White guys playing Cherokee, white guys playing Asians, Hispanics, etc... some of it is racial bias from the studio being afraid that casting an ethnic actor will cause problems at the box office. |
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| 15:29.23 | pompy | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=448706288545920&set=a.378556275560922.91793.170964116320140&type=1 |
| 15:30.19 | TC-work | Well, in his defense it is a catchy song. |
| 15:36.03 | Unkle | I would say someone has some anger issues... |
| 15:37.42 | Cairenn | ... Says the poster boy for restraint |
| 15:37.58 | Cairenn | :p |
| 15:38.11 | Lopeppeppy | restraints? Where? |
| 15:38.21 | Cairenn | smoogles Lopeppeppy |
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| 15:38.52 | Unkle | :) |
| 15:38.59 | Unkle | rawr baby, rawr |
| 15:39.35 | Unkle | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/11/microsoft_7_inch_surface/ - Headline "Foot-long slab too big? Microsoft 'has a 7-incher' to stroke" |
| 15:39.46 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 15:39.46 | Unkle | Oh you wacky journos. |
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| 16:12.58 | smcn | my realm finally opened last stage of isle of thunder... man i REALLY want lorthemar to be the next warchief |
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| 16:19.49 | karl_w_w | Unkle: but cloud atlas is a special case |
| 16:20.29 | Unkle | I haven't seen it yet. |
| 16:23.33 | karl_w_w | the same actors play different people in different times |
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| 16:28.48 | Unkle | karl_w_w: Interesting. |
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| 16:32.43 | karl_w_w | i wish mastery was blue on gems |
| 16:32.58 | karl_w_w | then dps would have an option other than hit for blue slots |
| 16:33.15 | Unkle | use purple gems? |
| 16:33.16 | karl_w_w | and tanks something other than stam |
| 16:33.21 | karl_w_w | i do, int/hit |
| 16:33.32 | karl_w_w | but i have way too much hit |
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| 16:33.47 | karl_w_w | mastery is my worst stat but i'd still prefer int/mastery |
| 16:34.35 | karl_w_w | and healers something other than spirit |
| 16:35.48 | karl_w_w | is this a crazy idea? i might just take it to the cess pit |
| 16:35.53 | karl_w_w | aka. forums |
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| 16:42.42 | karl_w_w | hmm but then some tanks would only have 1 good yellow stat |
| 16:42.54 | karl_w_w | meh, screw em, they're tanks |
| 16:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh aye? |
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| 18:13.56 | kd3 | grr. I've run a straight hdmi cable from my new 660ti to my tv and the tv's overscanning ~20 pixels on all sides |
| 18:14.10 | smcn | change pixel format |
| 18:14.22 | smcn | i had that problem when i first connected my tv |
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| 18:14.42 | smcn | fixed it by changing to 4:4:4 full RGB i think it is |
| 18:15.10 | kd3 | hm |
| 18:15.41 | smcn | of course i've got an amd might be different |
| 18:19.28 | smcn | "RGB 4:4:4 Pixel Format PC Standard (Full RGB)" |
| 18:19.41 | smcn | before i changed it all the text looked really shitty too |
| 18:19.57 | smcn | after changing it i could set the overscan to 0% and everything was fine |
| 18:24.03 | Unkle | Remember when TVs were plug (into the wall) and play (3 networks worth of shows between 5am and midnight)? |
| 18:24.09 | Xuerian | Controller support just isn't a easy or cost-effective problem to try to solve for most pc games that aren't supposed to be on a console somewhere |
| 18:24.11 | Xuerian | slfjklskjdf |
| 18:24.22 | Xuerian | Alright, back to the choppin' block with you, mr script man |
| 18:27.15 | karl_w_w | thanks kd3 |
| 18:27.36 | karl_w_w | just checked to see if overscan was turned on on my tv and it was |
| 18:27.43 | karl_w_w | everything looks so much nicer now |
| 18:27.52 | kd3 | hah |
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| 18:28.29 | karl_w_w | it's funny you don't notice the blurriness until you see what it's meant to look like |
| 18:28.48 | kd3 | I said the same thing when I first got my glasses |
| 18:28.57 | smcn | kd3 i was just about to type that |
| 18:29.06 | karl_w_w | funny that i left cloud atlas paused at an amazingly good point to see it |
| 18:29.20 | smcn | it's like "wow you're actually supposed to be able to read things from that far away?" |
| 18:29.23 | karl_w_w | tom hanks has this furry cloak thing on and the sun is behind him |
| 18:30.14 | Unkle | kd3: Do your glasses "over-correct" giving you better than 20/20? |
| 18:30.53 | kd3 | nah. I considered asking for that... I probably will on my next trip |
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| 18:32.40 | Unkle | My prescription is pretty weak, and I end up with 20/15 - but I need them to drive in CA, TX, MA, etc. |
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| 18:43.37 | TC-work | how do I bypass a file that svn can't access when importing? |
| 18:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | Holy crap, I live in a town where people cut each other's ears off. *sigh* |
| 18:46.38 | smcn | for fun? |
| 18:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | and profit, I guess. |
| 18:47.41 | Unkle | that sounds ... unpleasant. |
| 18:48.22 | Lopeppeppy | Took up a machete and chopped at the guy's head. Took off his ear and a chunk of face. |
| 18:48.50 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 18:49.11 | smcn | chunk of face is my favorite metal band |
| 18:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | I just... ugh. And it's not even tourist or migrant worker season, these are the year-round asshats. |
| 18:49.54 | Unkle | Well, Van Gogh they aren't... |
| 18:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | http://saratogian.com/articles/2013/04/09/news/doc5164e3682aabb350745042.txt |
| 18:51.48 | karl_w_w | nice, keepingitoldschool.txt |
| 18:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | I could link something .sanskrit instead, so you can't read it, would that be more fun? |
| 18:54.18 | TC-work | i would prefer .iambicpentameter |
| 19:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | To sit in solemn silence in a cold dark dock / in a pestilential prison with a life-long lock / awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock / from a cheap and chipper chopper with a big black block! |
| 19:04.33 | kd3 | eesh; Not content with keeping snowstorms just a winter thing and tornadoes a summer thing, the Midwest is getting both at the same time. EVERYBODY PANIC [Scary] |
| 19:04.53 | karl_w_w | so it's a snownado? |
| 19:05.29 | kd3 | that would be horrendous. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/11/us-usa-weather-storm-idUSBRE93913D20130411 |
| 19:06.20 | jnwhiteh | its weird sitting next to cide all day |
| 19:06.42 | haste | then don't! |
| 19:07.03 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 19:07.06 | jnwhiteh | i should make him MOVE! |
| 19:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | Put tacks on his chair, he'll move then. |
| 19:12.25 | Unkle | jnwhiteh: onions and garlic. *nod* |
| 19:19.00 | Lopeppeppy | tacks only hurt one person. Garlic is shared with the whole office |
| 19:21.33 | Unkle | I'm misanthropic, I am. |
| 19:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | Does that mean "I like to smell someone else's garlic breath?" |
| 19:22.25 | Unkle | It means I don't like people, so I don't mind making 'em smell my garlic breath. |
| 19:24.44 | Lopeppeppy | But would you willingly feed it to other people so that you have to smell it? |
| 19:29.03 | Unkle | No, I would use them as indiscriminate weapon of mass irritation though. |
| 19:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | Bitch. :) |
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| 20:28.03 | Shirik | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7303675392/hD1A35D95/ |
| 20:28.28 | Eridius | Shirik: too bad that's a fake |
| 20:28.33 | Shirik | is it? |
| 20:28.47 | Eridius | yep |
| 20:29.33 | TC-work | Quite well written regardless |
| 20:30.20 | TC-work | On the other hand, I also want Grim Fandango 2 |
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| 20:45.10 | TC-work | in python is try/except the only way to check for an index out of range error? |
| 20:45.32 | End_ | aside from checking the range first? |
| 20:45.59 | TC-work | no not aside, I can't think of any other way |
| 20:47.19 | End_ | those are basically your two options |
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| 20:47.36 | TC-work | how would I check the range first? |
| 20:47.49 | End_ | if idx < len(arr) |
| 20:48.04 | End_ | (I'm assuming this is a list) |
| 20:48.27 | TC-work | it's a cross linked sub dictionary |
| 20:48.28 | End_ | although I don't know who else than a list would use that exception |
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| 20:48.56 | End_ | er wha? a dictionary is giving you index out of range? |
| 20:49.14 | End_ | Torhal stop flooding kthx |
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| 20:50.53 | TC-work | at some point he is just going to get klined |
| 20:51.30 | TC-work | well, this is the bit in the dict ''sg_manager': [],' |
| 20:51.39 | End_ | oh I see |
| 20:51.43 | End_ | yes sg_manager is a list |
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| 20:53.03 | TC-work | so...if not x['sg_manager'] < len(0) should work? or something like that |
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| 20:53.39 | End_ | len(x['sg_manager']) |
| 20:54.19 | TC-work | ah hah, had to drop the not, but it worked. Thanks End_ |
| 20:54.24 | TC-work | and your tail |
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| 21:04.34 | karl_w_w | oooh, very nearly had my first nexus 4 dropping incident |
| 21:05.15 | karl_w_w | brushing grit off my mouse mat I almost also brushed phone onto floor |
| 21:05.35 | Semlar | TC-work: if 'sg_manager' in x? |
| 21:05.39 | karl_w_w | paranoid it'll break into a million pieces if it falls 2cm |
| 21:09.20 | karl_w_w | what's the name of that asshole |
| 21:09.34 | karl_w_w | who owns the world ('s media) |
| 21:09.49 | karl_w_w | murdoch |
| 21:10.00 | haste | my nexus 4 has droped to the floor several times |
| 21:10.05 | haste | mainly because it's so damn slipper |
| 21:10.07 | haste | yyyy |
| 21:10.23 | haste | can't put it on anything that isn't perfectly horizontal |
| 21:11.48 | karl_w_w | i have a bumper so I don't have that problem |
| 21:11.55 | Unkle | You haven't put it in a case yet? |
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| 21:20.42 | End_ | Semlar: IndexError, not KeyError |
| 21:28.24 | haste | I don't like cases. |
| 21:28.57 | Unkle | I didn't really like them either, until the back of my phone was ALSO a glass slab. |
| 21:30.06 | haste | mine has some minor scratches, that's about it |
| 21:32.35 | Unkle | I don't have a case (just a cover) for my iPad mini, but that's just cause I don't want the screen to get scratched during transportation. But mu phone has a case to protect the corners and the back from my ham-fisted, clumsy treatment. |
| 21:38.02 | Torhal | End_: I'm guessing my work connection keeps flicking on and off. |
| 21:38.25 | xyphoid | my ipad has a nice dent on the corner and you can see the glass is slightly bent upwards |
| 21:38.39 | xyphoid | i always expect to tap the screen and have the whole thing explode in razor shards |
| 21:41.48 | foxlit | psst, code jam qualification round starts in 25 hours, and lasts 25 hours. You should participate >> https://code.google.com/codejam |
| 21:46.12 | Torhal | Ok, VPN'd into my work machine and killed the IRC client. |
| 21:49.23 | TC-work | Wouldn't a day without sunshine also be like....cloudy? |
| 21:54.16 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/WmIO4GU.jpg |
| 21:54.39 | Semlar | how does that look |
| 21:56.19 | Unkle | Looks ok, but might be kind of crowded if there are lots of nameplates. |
| 21:56.59 | Semlar | hmm |
| 21:58.54 | Semlar | i want to have an indicator that you need to use a quest item but i don't know if i should have it inline like that or as a separate icon |
| 22:01.06 | Unkle | Why not just add a "!" symbol to the end of the nameplate? |
| 22:05.13 | Torhal | We should market a drink called "!", Unkle. |
| 22:05.51 | Unkle | We should. And it must not include jaeger. |
| 22:05.59 | Torhal | Oh, lord, no. |
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| 22:12.45 | Semlar|Laptop | Unkle: i might make a compact mode that doesn't add all that text |
| 22:13.06 | Seerah | Semlar|Laptop: sounds like a wonderful idea :) |
| 22:19.02 | Semlar|Laptop | i need to see how it works with other nameplate addons |
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| 22:21.21 | Unkle | Semlar|Laptop: Excellent. RELEASE THE HOUNDS! |
| 22:21.45 | Semlar|Laptop | BLADES OF LIGHT |
| 22:23.19 | Unkle | Outland was merely a setback. |
| 22:27.32 | smcn | outland is a setback to levelling alts |
| 22:28.51 | nevcairiel | i like outland for leveling, you level up so fast that you can basically cherry pick your favorite zones, and you're out of there before it gets annoying |
| 22:29.22 | smcn | i can barely make it through hfp |
| 22:29.56 | Torhal | When Outland WAS endgame, all you had was MONTHS of heroics and getting keyed. |
| 22:30.04 | Torhal | Now I don't even know what the hell endgame constitutes. |
| 22:30.05 | Semlar|Laptop | oh god |
| 22:30.08 | Semlar|Laptop | not the keys |
| 22:30.20 | Semlar|Laptop | not the rep! |
| 22:30.25 | Unkle | If you're decked out in heirlooms and have guild XP bonus, you can level out of Outland before you reach Nagrand if you like. |
| 22:30.45 | smcn | nagrand is the only zone i like |
| 22:31.05 | nevcairiel | i always liked nagrand, so i did hfp, half of zanga and then nagrand to 70 |
| 22:31.12 | nevcairiel | with full 'looms and guild xp |
| 22:31.16 | smcn | last time i used a 300% exp potion and got to ~66 within an hour and then 68 another hour after that |
| 22:31.35 | Unkle | I like Zangermarsh for the look, but the only zone were I liked the quests after the 5th time through was SMV |
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