| 00:05.15 | VIad | local yes |
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| 01:10.51 | kd3 | I uh... what? http://imgur.com/vlAfPlg |
| 01:13.06 | Dagmar | You expect sense from /r/WTF? |
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| 01:37.49 | Adys | pacman 4.1 released |
| 01:37.50 | Adys | \o/ |
| 01:38.10 | Adys | in testing that is |
| 01:43.39 | kd3 | oh, vile: http://i.imgur.com/jnThjve.jpg |
| 01:44.54 | Ressy | oh wow.. |
| 01:44.56 | Ressy | counterfeit? |
| 01:45.29 | kd3 | dunno, saw it in a reddit thread for this image: http://i.imgur.com/ihNGYss.jpg |
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| 01:49.31 | kd3|hate`net | blah |
| 01:49.48 | kd3 | <kd3> dunno, saw it in a reddit thread for this image: http://i.imgur.com/ihNGYss.jpg |
| 01:53.48 | Adys | <kd3> <kd3> dunno, saw it in a reddit thread for this image: http://i.imgur.com/ihNGYss.jpg |
| 01:54.10 | kd3 | eh, was quoting myself. dunno if it made it through |
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| 01:54.44 | Adys | it did ! |
| 02:23.07 | Shirik | like |
| 02:23.11 | Shirik | you can't actually get away with that |
| 02:23.15 | Shirik | that has to be staged in some form |
| 02:25.57 | Semlar | you can if it works |
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| 02:32.16 | Shirik | well it only works if the original cap was defective :P |
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| 02:37.42 | Semlar | the post claims they did it for aesthetic reasons |
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| 03:36.10 | Parnic | fisker why won't bioshock infinite start on my pc? |
| 03:43.34 | Thunder_Child | The fat lady sang? |
| 03:44.50 | xyphoid | i had to do a driver update for the first time in ages for it |
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| 04:13.43 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
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| 04:28.20 | ccox | look up Marvadeath - Greymane -- most clueless DK, ever |
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| 04:30.36 | ccox_ | so bad that I can't tell if he's trying to be teribad intentionally or not... |
| 04:31.04 | ccox | wearing cloth, leather, spirit, int, agi…. |
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| 04:36.00 | kd3 | uh-oh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22011207 |
| 05:01.16 | Fisker | oh |
| 05:01.23 | Fisker | no wonder my outlook 2013 junk filter sucks |
| 05:01.25 | Fisker | it wasn't enabled |
| 05:11.34 | TinyCog | umad |
| 05:14.05 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 05:14.09 | bluspacecow | a tiny cog |
| 05:17.18 | Shirik | hehe |
| 05:17.25 | Shirik | "Postal insurance is provided for articles with a value of at least $0.01 up to a maximum insured value of $25,000." - I want to insure something for $0.01 |
| 05:23.22 | kd3 | insure a check for $0.01 for $0.01? |
| 05:23.35 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:24.12 | TinyCog | That will be $14.95, please |
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| 06:25.24 | nevcairiel | they could've just said for articles up to a maximum value.... and avoid all the trolling :P |
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| 08:59.36 | karl_w_w | guild wars 2 is still a thing? |
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| 10:05.36 | Gnarfoz | hmmm, no Cairenn :9 |
| 10:06.08 | Gnarfoz | is the Marriott next to the Anaheim Convention Center a good place to stay for BlizzCon? |
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| 10:36.22 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 10:36.26 | Fisker | why blizzcon? |
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| 10:55.31 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: because |
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| 11:33.31 | Fisker | how will you get there Gnarfoz ? |
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| 12:08.25 | karl_w_w | Fisker what song does shake it out by florence and the machine remind me of? |
| 12:10.17 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDvQUbVuIu4 |
| 12:15.37 | karl_w_w | it doesn't seem promising so far |
| 12:16.18 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 12:18.07 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: hot air balloon, you're going to fill it! :D |
| 12:19.21 | karl_w_w | seriously it so strongly reminds me of some other song |
| 12:19.27 | karl_w_w | i just cant remember what song |
| 12:21.52 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: try to feed it into shazam shazam |
| 12:24.29 | karl_w_w | so i had no idea what shazam was |
| 12:24.31 | karl_w_w | i googled it |
| 12:24.37 | karl_w_w | found the website |
| 12:24.40 | karl_w_w | read the website |
| 12:24.43 | karl_w_w | still got no idea |
| 12:25.19 | mitch0 | I only used the android client |
| 12:25.42 | mitch0 | basically, you play / hum / sing some song to it, and it tries to match it to some real song |
| 12:25.56 | mitch0 | and gives you the album/title whatever |
| 12:26.03 | Gnarfoz | I've not seen that work except for the "play" part |
| 12:26.07 | Gnarfoz | also, SoundHound |
| 12:26.33 | Gnarfoz | (and "Sound Search for Google Play Music" which is only available in the US for some crazy reason once again) |
| 12:27.41 | Kalroth | it's not crazy, it's region controlling |
| 12:27.49 | Kalroth | mo money that way |
| 12:28.37 | Fisker | but srsly Gnarfoz |
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| 12:31.16 | karl_w_w | both identified the song pretty much instantly :P |
| 12:31.18 | karl_w_w | as what it is |
| 12:31.21 | karl_w_w | unfortunately |
| 12:31.36 | mitch0 | only play the shake-it-up-shake-it-up part |
| 12:32.29 | karl_w_w | yeah i did |
| 12:32.34 | mitch0 | hm. |
| 12:32.53 | mitch0 | tough luck then. probably the other one wasn't so great either |
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| 12:47.23 | karl_w_w | a lot of people in the youtube comments saying florence reminds them of annie lennox but i dont hear it myself :P |
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| 12:58.56 | Gnarfoz | Kalroth: mo? you mean less? :P |
| 12:59.56 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: plane, of course; also, BC is just an excuse to make a (hopefully) nice 2 week holiday of it. We hope California is nice in November :> |
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| 13:06.36 | karl_w_w | random statistic of the day: 2 out of 3 people with the 3rd one would go away |
| 13:06.56 | karl_w_w | s/with/wish/ |
| 13:08.44 | karl_w_w | purl slow on the uptake |
| 13:08.44 | purl | ACTION attaches a ball and chain to on the uptake |
| 13:08.51 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 13:09.24 | karl_w_w | purl slow his nuts |
| 13:09.24 | purl | ACTION attaches a ball and chain to his nuts |
| 13:11.03 | bluipodcow | Purl fondle my jimmies |
| 13:11.16 | bluipodcow | *hopeful look* |
| 13:17.34 | karl_w_w | rustles bluipodcow's jimmies |
| 13:18.50 | bluipodcow | Yay |
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| 13:27.49 | Fisker | obviously Gnarfoz but which airports and how do you gets from one airport to anaheim? |
| 13:29.12 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: FRA to LAX, rental car |
| 13:31.58 | Fisker | you can rent cars? |
| 13:31.59 | Fisker | hax |
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| 13:46.13 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: fo sho |
| 13:46.26 | Fisker | sick |
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| 13:50.49 | Fisker | omg haste |
| 13:50.51 | Fisker | may it be true? |
| 13:51.08 | Fisker | wireless charging pad changed to 2-3 days delivery instead of an estimated one here |
| 13:51.10 | Fisker | DUN DUN DUN |
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| 14:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | Okie dokie, Peppy's new office digs are open for mayhem! https://plus.google.com/photos/115983016216049568336/albums/5862623515949897825 |
| 14:25.18 | TC-work | Needs more monitors |
| 14:25.22 | TC-work | and larger ones |
| 14:25.57 | TC-work | and 0 space for other people (lowers the possibility of getting bothered) |
| 14:26.43 | bluipodcow | *gasp* |
| 14:26.46 | bluipodcow | U has |
| 14:26.51 | Kalroth | http://i.imgur.com/RNHEQ.gif *hic* |
| 14:27.05 | bluipodcow | A wooden door |
| 14:27.13 | bluipodcow | So lib |
| 14:27.18 | bluipodcow | So lucky |
| 14:27.30 | bluipodcow | I only has a glass one |
| 14:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm getting to 22? 24? in June, so the desk space changes. I do have a wooden door, bluipodcow, but no ceiling, which is like the weirdest stupidity ever. False sense of privacy. |
| 14:27.47 | TC-work | It's open, and looks unlocked, she can only be so lucky. |
| 14:28.01 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 14:28.03 | Fisker | stop lying |
| 14:28.30 | bluipodcow | It's so you can lock you door , leap over the wall an run away from work |
| 14:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | I could. I could use my chair to braeak the windows in case of emergency, and run away! |
| 14:31.51 | TC-work | ground floor? |
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| 14:36.29 | Lopeppeppy | Second floor, but it's not that high. |
| 14:37.55 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy please kill moon landing conspiracy theorists |
| 14:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | But they're amusing, karl_w_w |
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| 15:19.03 | VIad | I've been intensly working on my SImCity5 city, that I didn't notice the "generic toilet ambience.mp3" playing from GTA4 lol ... you can imagine what kind of noises it contains :P |
| 15:20.02 | karl_w_w | what the hell is simcity 5? |
| 15:21.00 | TC-work | the newest one |
| 15:21.04 | TC-work | called simcity |
| 15:21.23 | VIad | it's stupid to call it just "sim city" |
| 15:21.26 | VIad | sounds like the first game |
| 15:23.27 | karl_w_w | right cos there are so many people out there playing simcity in dosbox it's easy to get confused |
| 15:24.48 | karl_w_w | http://delimiter.com.au/2013/04/03/despite-quick-cheap-legal-option-australia-still-top-games-of-thrones-pirating-nation/ proud convict heritage! |
| 15:25.01 | VIad | yes karl_w_w, there are |
| 15:25.56 | End_ | they ported simcity classic to windows, a fact which annoyed me when my parents got me that instead of sim city 2000 back in the day |
| 15:26.47 | End_ | I was like "get the newest one!" |
| 15:26.59 | End_ | and then whoops, apparently they had just rereleased the oldest one |
| 15:27.29 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 15:27.40 | VIad | :D |
| 15:28.31 | VIad | btw, "People are protesting too much crime!" but the crime statistics are like, 2 criminals per day and like 8 cars driving around all the time :P |
| 15:28.43 | VIad | I guess people will protest about anything |
| 15:28.56 | nevcairiel | if you have like 100 people, thats a lot |
| 15:29.17 | karl_w_w | VIad is a crime lord, more crime is good |
| 15:29.32 | karl_w_w | a lot like being a time lord |
| 15:30.02 | karl_w_w | cos doctor who is ironically apparently always short of time |
| 15:30.42 | nevcairiel | thats because of his silly rule that he cant cross his own timeline |
| 15:30.45 | VIad | got nearly 30k pop |
| 15:31.02 | karl_w_w | that's good work son |
| 15:31.33 | VIad | too much poop |
| 15:31.39 | VIad | that's a issue :P |
| 15:32.07 | TC-work | It's not just crimes, It's also criminals. I have 0 crimes per day but ~250 criminals with ~50 arrests |
| 15:32.13 | TC-work | and they still bitch |
| 15:32.28 | TC-work | Need to get some detective addons going. |
| 15:33.27 | VIad | got only 1 loose criminal :P |
| 15:33.32 | VIad | and 2 in jail atm |
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| 15:33.41 | VIad | and 8 cars looking for that one guy |
| 15:34.10 | VIad | and people still protest about too much crime - I guess that one guy is extremely dangerous |
| 15:34.13 | nevcairiel | the fact that you know the precise amount of criminals makes the game already kinda fail |
| 15:34.35 | TC-work | Sure it does, because that changes anything |
| 15:34.55 | karl_w_w | that's right nevcairiel, THAT is what makes the game fail |
| 15:35.03 | VIad | maybe they extrapolate the number of criminals based on reports? :P |
| 15:35.11 | TC-work | I don't find it to be fail in general |
| 15:35.21 | TC-work | there are a few bugs, but other than that it's quite fun |
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| 15:36.25 | VIad | it's fun indeed |
| 15:36.33 | VIad | the small stuff aren't enough to make me give up on it :P |
| 15:40.05 | karl_w_w | so I've finally decided |
| 15:40.11 | karl_w_w | I prefer pepsi over coke |
| 15:40.21 | VIad | TC-work: I love the detailed data layers - makes it really fun to look what to improve :) |
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| 15:43.33 | VIad | could NASA run SimCity5 simulation back in the 60s? |
| 15:44.39 | karl_w_w | doubt it |
| 15:45.04 | VIad | look how far we've got; running our own NASA center from the 60s |
| 15:45.31 | VIad | all I need now is some hardware to build a rocket and perhaps write some software scripts using PHP |
| 15:46.17 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: nutmeg fiend |
| 15:46.44 | pompy1 | http://blog.malwarebytes.org/intelligence/2013/04/malware-in-a-jar/ |
| 15:48.57 | Dagmar | Someone needs to smack that guy |
| 15:49.02 | karl_w_w | is that why Dagmar? I do quite like nutmeg |
| 15:49.04 | Dagmar | "Debugging a jar isnât as straightforward as a native system binary, like an EXE." |
| 15:49.11 | Dagmar | Not only no, but fuck no. |
| 15:49.17 | Dagmar | You _decompile_ malwware. |
| 15:49.29 | Dagmar | You don't "debug" it unless you want to infect your own shit. |
| 15:49.57 | Dagmar | Loading malicious code into an executable context to see what it's doing is fucking stupid and lazy. |
| 15:49.57 | VIad | I thought you could debug jar as a binary :P |
| 15:50.18 | Dagmar | You can. It's not the smart thing to do. |
| 15:50.25 | Dagmar | Also, you're not looking to _remove bugs_ |
| 15:50.43 | VIad | maybe I am trying to fix issues with the malware so it functions properly? |
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| 15:50.44 | Dagmar | They ran that through a _decompiler_ in the article. |
| 15:51.00 | VIad | not all malware works properly, especially if pesky antivirus or programs block it |
| 15:51.29 | VIad | also it's not dangerous to decompile java compiled files |
| 15:51.37 | VIad | just lets you read the code, more or less |
| 15:51.55 | Dagmar | Yes, because _decompiling_ never puts it into an executeable context. |
| 15:52.41 | Dagmar | ...but apparently dumb motherfuckers like to pull exes into a debugger, turn the thing loose, and if it escapes just declare "wow that was really nasty" |
| 15:52.57 | VIad | but I thought java decompiling worked differently |
| 15:53.02 | VIad | not like debugging an executable |
| 15:53.23 | Dagmar | That's because decompiling is not debugging. |
| 15:53.28 | VIad | since the program runs and the debugger just reads of information as it goes |
| 15:53.30 | VIad | hehe |
| 15:53.41 | Dagmar | Decompiling takes the bytecode and turns it into source that is sometimes even readable. |
| 15:53.49 | VIad | yeah |
| 15:53.59 | Dagmar | It's a _safe_ operation. |
| 15:54.21 | VIad | ah he later debugs the java, hehe |
| 15:54.28 | VIad | hope he put halt points on the dangerous parts :P |
| 15:54.32 | Dagmar | I mean, well... excluding that some of the resulting source code is likely to make you want to go beat someone's mother for spawning the author. |
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| 15:58.38 | pompy1 | Dagmar: you can infect your own shit |
| 15:58.41 | pompy1 | in a VM |
| 15:58.54 | pompy1 | so they debug it there i guess |
| 15:59.28 | Dagmar | So, the moment the platform you're using for analysis is compromised, exactly how are you supposed to trust your own analysis? |
| 16:00.02 | Dagmar | That's the thing I find insane--fuckers don't seem to see a problem with that |
| 16:00.52 | Dagmar | I had a coworker all excited about some loader exploit the other day and I was like "What? Why the fuck are you executing the malware in the first place?" |
| 16:01.28 | VIad | what if I fire up my VM to have fun with viruses? :( |
| 16:01.43 | Dagmar | He thought it was cunning and interesting that it could hide itself, and I'm thinking "no, you're an idiot for loading it into a debugger so that it even has a chance" |
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| 16:01.52 | Dagmar | vlad: Tha |
| 16:01.59 | Dagmar | t's another matter entirely |
| 16:02.48 | Dagmar | Hell, I used to do that on a regular basis. It's the reason I've actually got two licences for Windows 7 that have never seen "real hardware" |
| 16:15.00 | haste | Fisker: hey |
| 16:15.29 | VIad | windpower sucks, coal/oil is much easier |
| 16:16.08 | VIad | had issues with wind/solar, better later when you got the economy and research :P |
| 16:18.49 | VIad | TC-work: if I let my game simulate for a night will things be ok? :P |
| 16:18.58 | VIad | I left it to earn my cash for an hour and it was awesome |
| 16:19.29 | TC-work | VIad: not really |
| 16:19.45 | TC-work | I did it for a day at work and the problem is disasters |
| 16:19.53 | TC-work | other than that I found it to be fine |
| 16:20.00 | VIad | I've had none yet |
| 16:30.18 | VIad | hmm, I got all the school stuff but my population is stupid |
| 16:30.30 | VIad | got buss stops all over the place too |
| 16:32.09 | TC-work | schools need to be near residential 'hoods |
| 16:34.15 | nevcairiel | yeah long bus rides are sucky |
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| 16:39.37 | bluipodcow | Say |
| 16:39.50 | bluipodcow | If a game is now on google play |
| 16:40.12 | bluipodcow | That means its now on android devices ? |
| 16:40.26 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.15 | TC-work | Yes, but not necessarily all of them |
| 16:49.05 | VIad | hmm, I am having issues making a city :/ |
| 16:49.25 | VIad | TC-work: in the long run my city starts to lack space to build the appropriate requirements (population) |
| 16:49.37 | TC-work | Make a new one |
| 16:50.12 | TC-work | or better yet, build an arcology, that's what I am working on. |
| 16:50.21 | VIad | new city? |
| 16:50.26 | VIad | how does that fix my current city? :P |
| 16:51.02 | TC-work | because you make more population in that one then they use resources in your current city and vice versa |
| 16:51.09 | VIad | hmm |
| 16:51.18 | VIad | so you can't have a city being self sustained? |
| 16:51.23 | TC-work | This game is designed to network multiple cities |
| 16:51.27 | VIad | :( |
| 16:51.33 | TC-work | You can, but they are not going to be the best they can be |
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| 16:55.06 | VIad | atm at least I got it stable, the industrial requirement is sky-high but at least population and commercial once are below 50% |
| 16:55.25 | TC-work | eh, I started ignoring all of that |
| 17:00.11 | VIad | so what good can come out from disasters? :P |
| 17:00.40 | Sharparam | the disaster might be catastrophic enough to crack open the safe |
| 17:00.41 | Sharparam | if we're lucky |
| 17:00.52 | VIad | what safe? |
| 17:00.59 | Sharparam | you're not a redditor? |
| 17:01.11 | VIad | redit? |
| 17:01.16 | Sharparam | :( |
| 17:01.25 | VIad | not really :P |
| 17:01.50 | Sharparam | someone found a big safe in his house and posted a picture of it, then he never opened the safe and everyone is anxious as to what the safe contains |
| 17:02.13 | VIad | hehe |
| 17:02.16 | VIad | probably his own safe :P |
| 17:02.38 | VIad | just saying it's not his to baid the readers |
| 17:02.53 | Unkle | Or it's empty, like the Capone vault. |
| 17:03.49 | Sharparam | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1aenk5/a_friend_of_mine_moved_into_a_former_drug_house/ |
| 17:04.05 | VIad | what can I build under city spec. to improve income, hopefully by a lot? :P |
| 17:04.48 | TC-work | electronics |
| 17:04.57 | TC-work | I get ~1 million per hour |
| 17:05.02 | VIad | processor factory? |
| 17:05.09 | VIad | hmm |
| 17:05.14 | TC-work | yes, then the tv/computer one |
| 17:05.18 | VIad | but I don't got alloy and plastics :( |
| 17:05.34 | TC-work | recycling center |
| 17:05.40 | TC-work | plus you can import them |
| 17:05.41 | VIad | I got finance/transport atm |
| 17:05.47 | VIad | from my other regions I take it? |
| 17:05.51 | VIad | or like a "global" one? |
| 17:06.31 | TC-work | global |
| 17:07.33 | VIad | hmm, ok |
| 17:07.53 | VIad | keeping taxes at 10% for all helps growth? |
| 17:08.13 | VIad | trying to keep myself in the green atm :P |
| 17:11.07 | VIad | made a gambling house - got airplanes and boats and it seems I got tourists with nothing to do :D |
| 17:12.12 | Lopeppeppy | Theaters. Malls. Restaurants. |
| 17:12.15 | Lopeppeppy | Those are for tourists. |
| 17:12.29 | VIad | gambling house too |
| 17:12.44 | VIad | so they can help boost the city fundings :D |
| 17:13.20 | Gnarfoz | ~seen cairenn |
| 17:13.24 | purl | cairenn <~Owner@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2d 6h 1m 41s ago, saying: 'hehehe'. |
| 17:13.32 | Gnarfoz | ~seen cairenn|afk |
| 17:13.32 | purl | cairenn|afk <~Owner@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 4d 10h 55m 27s ago, saying: 'I hope -someone- can get them under control, fast. It's getting very scary.'. |
| 17:15.00 | VIad | I hope it's not the last we ever hear again from Cairenn |
| 17:15.50 | Gnarfoz | always a remote possibility, unlikely, however |
| 17:20.13 | VIad | hmm, I had coil noise for like a week, but now it's suddenly silent... the PSU |
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| 17:25.33 | VIad | any experiences with coil noise? hmm... I got the choice to send my machine to service, but that means no computer for a week :P |
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| 17:26.57 | bluipodcow | ~seen Blus brain |
| 17:26.59 | purl | i haven't seen 'blus brain', bluipodcow |
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| 17:43.36 | karl_w_w | cuts out blu's brain and shows purl |
| 17:43.48 | karl_w_w | ~botsnack |
| 17:43.48 | purl | :), karl_w_w |
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| 17:48.47 | karl_w_w | what the VIad? |
| 17:48.54 | karl_w_w | do you know it's the psu? |
| 17:52.04 | Dagmar | We'd need an explanation of "coil noise" |
| 17:52.40 | karl_w_w | would we? |
| 17:52.45 | Dagmar | I'm assuming this is a laptop, because no one wearing pants should be having to wait a week for a machine to be shipped around for a PSU replacement |
| 17:53.09 | Dagmar | karl_w_w: Yes because coils typically don't make a sound. |
| 17:53.35 | Dagmar | Flawed capacitors, on the other hand, are notorious for making a high-pitched "singing" sound. |
| 17:53.43 | karl_w_w | that's because typically they are damped |
| 17:53.53 | karl_w_w | either way it doesnt much matter why it's making a noise |
| 17:54.26 | Dagmar | If it's something you can hear over the cooling fan, it's got to pretty damn dire |
| 17:54.39 | karl_w_w | indeed |
| 17:54.53 | Dagmar | If it were really a coil I'd just say shove some bubblegum on it |
| 17:55.44 | Dagmar | Depending on how flexible the replacement contract is, maybe sprinkle some glitter on it |
| 17:56.15 | karl_w_w | I have to challenge you on that pants comment, replacing a psu can be done pantless, I know I've tried |
| 17:56.39 | Dagmar | I buy a lot of cheap cases with sharp edges. |
| 17:56.56 | karl_w_w | well, don't hump them then :P |
| 17:56.56 | Dagmar | Not taking that risk |
| 17:57.12 | Dagmar | Man I've still got a scar down the side of my pinkie I didn't even feel happen |
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| 17:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | <Dagmar> If it's something you can hear over the cooling fan, it's got to pretty damn dire |
| 17:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | mine has no damping apparently so it screams like a banshee when i'm doing certain things |
| 17:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | like, looking at the sky in minecraft |
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| 18:00.46 | karl_w_w | tangent: i still have a vertical scar half way up the inside of the distal phalange on my left ring finger where i cut it right through to the bone on a blade of grass 18 years ago |
| 18:01.49 | Semlar | well, that's why they're called blades |
| 18:03.56 | smcn | i cut my knee on a blade of grass when i was kid |
| 18:06.34 | karl_w_w | I strongly believe that the only time you should see your own bones is when you are brushing them |
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| 18:12.18 | Eridius | karl_w_w: I'm guessing this wasn't your average lawn grass? |
| 18:12.47 | Daniwan | Does anyone know of a designer program that actually works and generates interface XML for me? The WoW UI Designer works great except that you only get one shot. Once you close the window you can never re open it to make changes :( |
| 18:14.04 | Daniwan | Addon Studio is an utter failure as well, it simply does not have the visual designer that I am looking for. |
| 18:15.08 | karl_w_w | it was just a marginally overgrown back garden, Eridius |
| 18:16.19 | karl_w_w | yes Daniwan |
| 18:16.28 | karl_w_w | I call it the human brain |
| 18:16.47 | Semlar | you need some ice for that burn? |
| 18:16.47 | karl_w_w | I'd like to take credit but it predates me and there's probably evidence |
| 18:17.41 | VIad | TC-work: this city is lost lol |
| 18:17.55 | Daniwan | ... That's just an ignorant response. lol I'm looking to make my life easier with a designer program I never said I was incapable of doing it manually. |
| 18:17.58 | VIad | deadly water killed so many :P |
| 18:19.44 | Semlar | pretty much the only up to date ui-designers are in-game addons |
| 18:19.52 | karl_w_w | is there some ultimate irony in not know what the word ignorant means? |
| 18:21.33 | Daniwan | To immediately jump to the immature idiotic response wherein you overtly attempt to challenge my intelligence or ability with an unrelated response is ignorant case closed. I asked about apples and your response was "learn to chew" lol |
| 18:21.48 | Daniwan | Semlar, I'll take that as a they don't exist. Thanks |
| 18:22.06 | Semlar | not what you're looking for |
| 18:22.37 | karl_w_w | perhaps you need to work on your self confidence, if you found a challenge to your intelligence or ability in that |
| 18:22.39 | Daniwan | That was the conclusion I was reaching but before giving up on my own I just wanted to check with a community. |
| 18:22.56 | karl_w_w | and you certainly need to work on your understanding of the word ignorant |
| 18:22.58 | Daniwan | Karl, you are now on ignore. You completely miss the point |
| 18:23.14 | karl_w_w | oh heavens whatever will I do :D |
| 18:25.15 | Unkle | Do no taunt Happy Fun Ball. |
| 18:25.53 | Sharparam | makes a taunting gesture at Happy Fun Ball, bring it! |
| 18:30.21 | pompy1 | lol.. gg valve http://store.steampowered.com/sub/8233/?cc=us |
| 18:30.54 | karl_w_w | snatch that one up |
| 18:30.57 | haste | happens quite a lot |
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| 18:37.20 | karl_w_w | oh thank god |
| 18:37.20 | karl_w_w | hugs Cairenn |
| 18:37.20 | Cairenn | hi |
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| 19:34.56 | mikma | http://youtu.be/4puXNZKwPN4 |
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| 19:54.17 | mikma | http://kotaku.com/disney-shuts-down-lucasarts-468473749 |
| 19:54.55 | VIad | TC-work: you here? |
| 19:54.57 | Cairenn | yeah =/ |
| 19:55.06 | TC-work | VIad: si |
| 19:55.11 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTcgo46nxNE |
| 19:55.18 | VIad | what if I make a city and loan a lot of money and gift it away |
| 19:55.26 | VIad | then on purpose ruin that city - did I get free money? |
| 19:56.00 | VIad | make a city, loan 300k, gift money to target city I wish to spend it in, destroy city, repeat. |
| 19:56.29 | TC-work | Dunno, I have never tried it |
| 19:56.34 | VIad | hmm |
| 19:56.48 | VIad | gonna test it :P |
| 20:04.49 | VIad | TC-work: bug? http://i.imgur.com/qHYYyUz.jpg |
| 20:05.44 | VIad | people drive to the highway trough the two houses :P |
| 20:06.48 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/xqDZYvC.png |
| 20:06.58 | Adys | new best subreddit: /r/googlepoems |
| 20:07.59 | TC-work | VIad: looks like a graphical one, are they active houses? |
| 20:08.13 | VIad | yes |
| 20:08.15 | VIad | active :P |
| 20:08.29 | TC-work | Then I suspect yes |
| 20:08.48 | VIad | gives me two extra residences :P |
| 20:08.53 | Adys | Dagmar: why the fuck does Mailman still exist |
| 20:08.57 | Adys | why is it so pathetic |
| 20:09.01 | VIad | your wife |
| 20:09.20 | VIad | :P |
| 20:09.22 | VIad | poor joke |
| 20:09.27 | Adys | why does it send me my CLEARTEXT FUCKING PASSWORDS OVER A STUPIDLY INSECURE PROTOCOL EVERY MONTH |
| 20:10.09 | Adys | maybe google should shut down google groups so that someone gets out of his own ass and writes a proper mailing list manager |
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| 20:18.23 | VIad | TC-work: how do I counter air polution? |
| 20:18.45 | VIad | all my factories are on the other edge of town, and the wind blows the other way (i.e. nothing goes to the living areas :P) |
| 20:19.12 | TC-work | Get rid of the factories |
| 20:19.35 | TC-work | It's not just what blows onto them, it's the fact that they are there |
| 20:19.41 | TC-work | It's a rather realistic game |
| 20:19.52 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:20.04 | VIad | I placed my factories far away so I don't pollute my drinking water :P |
| 20:20.11 | VIad | or other stuff that residents hate |
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| 21:17.14 | KarlKFI|work_ | programmers: i need to name a method that gets a value (given a key) from a 'cache-like map' without triggering the system that auto-populates that value when missing. What should I call it? |
| 21:17.54 | kd3 | .get()? |
| 21:17.56 | nevcairiel | lazy get |
| 21:18.00 | KarlKFI|work_ | get(key) is the method that DOES trigger the auto-population |
| 21:18.18 | kd3 | then I agree with nev's suggestion |
| 21:18.22 | kd3 | is lazy when it comes to naming |
| 21:18.46 | VIad | explain to a noob what you mean |
| 21:18.53 | VIad | I are curious |
| 21:19.01 | KarlKFI|work_ | lazyGet(key) or getRaw(key) or rawGet(key) ? |
| 21:19.08 | KarlKFI|work_ | open to alternatives |
| 21:19.19 | VIad | sounds like unimplemented API |
| 21:19.32 | KarlKFI|work_ | um... yes i'm trying to define the api |
| 21:20.02 | VIad | without triggering auto-populate |
| 21:20.07 | VIad | this mistifies me :P |
| 21:20.08 | KarlKFI|work_ | right... |
| 21:20.13 | nevcairiel | peek(key) :p |
| 21:20.43 | KarlKFI|work_ | peek is interesting, but evokes thoughts of queues and stacks |
| 21:21.12 | kd3 | but that's more like what you're working on... just looking without actually doing anything |
| 21:21.25 | KarlKFI|work_ | true |
| 21:23.02 | KarlKFI|work_ | VIad: the idea is that get(key) is what most people should be using, but we want to include the option to skip potentially expensive population, like say IN the populator that doesn't want to generate an infinite loop but wants to know the previous value.. |
| 21:23.17 | VIad | I see |
| 21:23.28 | Dagmar | That would be like asking PHP devs to use isset. Crazy talk |
| 21:24.09 | Adys | KarlKFI|work_: get(lazy=True) |
| 21:24.29 | KarlKFI|work_ | yeah that was our initial api thought, Adys. but i really hate boolean arguments |
| 21:25.22 | Adys | KarlKFI|work_: java.io.map.cachelike.cache.main.methods.lazy.get |
| 21:25.35 | kd3 | winces |
| 21:26.21 | Adys | KarlKFI|work_: which behaviour is most common? lazy get or populating-get? |
| 21:26.55 | KarlKFI|work_ | populating should be most common |
| 21:27.05 | Adys | then yes, .get(lazy=True) |
| 21:27.43 | nevcairiel | boolean arguments are bad for a design |
| 21:27.56 | Adys | depends |
| 21:27.57 | nevcairiel | i would go with peek |
| 21:28.01 | Adys | they are fitting if you dont use them often |
| 21:28.11 | KarlKFI|work_ | if i was using a language where i could provide the name of the variable in the call and make it optional i might use a boolean, but it's a nono in java |
| 21:28.13 | nevcairiel | if your language has default values, maybe |
| 21:28.13 | Adys | if you just add methods you end up polluting your classes/modules |
| 21:28.32 | Adys | KarlKFI|work_: oh? java? |
| 21:28.37 | nevcairiel | in java you end up with one method that has the argument, and one which doesnt |
| 21:28.38 | Adys | then what i said above! |
| 21:28.54 | nevcairiel | so might as well create one that has it set to true, and omit the param :P |
| 21:29.01 | VIad | SimCity5 "Oslo Opera House" lol, it also looked a bit similar :P |
| 21:29.56 | KarlKFI|work_ | nevcairiel: peek is the best suggestion i've got so far. but i'll have to warm up to it. it still makes me think that get would remove |
| 21:30.01 | Adys | KarlKFI|work_: besides from what you said it sounds like your .get() should avoid this type of recursion issue by itself |
| 21:30.10 | Adys | not rely on the dev using the correct method |
| 21:30.13 | KarlKFI|work_ | Adys: technically it does |
| 21:30.24 | KarlKFI|work_ | but i was just giving an example |
| 21:30.42 | KarlKFI|work_ | a better example would probably be for testing |
| 21:31.43 | Adys | and .peek() should be reserved for streams imho |
| 21:31.58 | KarlKFI|work_ | it's fine on queues |
| 21:32.01 | KarlKFI|work_ | or stacks |
| 21:32.02 | Adys | yeah |
| 21:32.23 | KarlKFI|work_ | it's so ingrained that the oppisitte of peeking is getting and removing tho |
| 21:33.08 | KarlKFI|work_ | i need the inverse. get and retrieve if not there vs get but dont retrieve |
| 21:33.51 | KarlKFI|work_ | i could call the methods retrieve(key) and get(key) but then no one would know which is which |
| 21:34.03 | KarlKFI|work_ | without (heaven forbid) reading the docs |
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| 21:35.32 | Adys | KarlKFI|work: i *really* would go with .get(lazy=True) |
| 21:35.47 | Adys | this sounds like a case where you do want a boolean arg |
| 21:35.52 | nevcairiel | but not in java |
| 21:35.56 | nevcairiel | you have no default arguments |
| 21:36.06 | kd3 | method overloading, go! |
| 21:36.09 | Adys | ^ |
| 21:36.10 | nevcairiel | so you have get(key), and get(key, lazy) |
| 21:36.18 | nevcairiel | might as well name the second one something smart and omit the argument |
| 21:36.31 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 21:36.46 | Adys | suck it java seriously :p |
| 21:36.54 | Adys | whats up with that, you get overloading, but you cant have default args |
| 21:37.17 | KarlKFI|work | definitely a major drawback, for sure, btu not the worst one |
| 21:37.18 | Adys | KarlKFI|work: lazyGet() |
| 21:37.26 | Adys | or lazy_get() |
| 21:37.28 | Adys | whatever |
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| 21:37.47 | Adys | actually lazyGet() or get_lazy() |
| 21:37.48 | KarlKFI|work | not getLazily? ;) |
| 21:38.08 | nevcairiel | lazyGet would be my choice if peek doesnt work for you |
| 21:38.09 | KarlKFI|work | hammock() |
| 21:38.10 | Semlar | rawget |
| 21:38.21 | KarlKFI|work | yeah rawget was suggested |
| 21:38.46 | Adys | what's raw about it? |
| 21:38.46 | Adys | i mean |
| 21:38.49 | Adys | lazyGet conveys the behaviour more clearly |
| 21:40.18 | Semlar | this is for fetching from a cache? |
| 21:40.30 | KarlKFI|work | it's not technically a cache |
| 21:40.40 | nevcairiel | sounds like a transparent cache |
| 21:40.40 | KarlKFI|work | it's like a merge of a map and a cache |
| 21:40.51 | nevcairiel | a self-caching map |
| 21:40.57 | KarlKFI|work | so you can set things directly or delegate them to a provider |
| 21:41.40 | KarlKFI|work | it's like a cache that allows you to overridde the providers by setting a value pre-emptively |
| 21:42.01 | KarlKFI|work | so the value may or may not have come from a provider |
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| 21:43.22 | KarlKFI|work | get(key) doesn't allow null values and will explode if there's no value and no provider. but this lazy get or whatever doesn't care abotu providers and thus can return null if there's no cached value |
| 21:44.25 | KarlKFI|work | so it's like a safe check in case you dont want to use or dont know if there is a provider |
| 21:44.54 | KarlKFI|work | tho there's also a getNullable(key) that is 'safe' int hat it allows null but also checks for a provider |
| 21:45.21 | KarlKFI|work | tho the provider could still explode if it wanted to, so it's not exactly 'safe' |
| 21:46.19 | nevcairiel | exceptions in java are used for normal error cases, so i dont consider them an explosion =P |
| 21:46.37 | KarlKFI|work | technicality |
| 21:47.11 | nevcairiel | checked exceptions anyway |
| 21:47.27 | KarlKFI|work | so... explosions |
| 21:47.35 | KarlKFI|work | get(key) allows 2 runtime exceptions, one for unset and missing provider, one for provider failure |
| 21:47.37 | KarlKFI|work | neither are expected to be handled byt the user |
| 21:47.52 | KarlKFI|work | they're just to help debug bad code |
| 21:48.23 | nevcairiel | if those arent error cases likely to happen during normal use, like the provider simply not having a value for whatever key you wanted |
| 21:48.31 | nevcairiel | since i have no clue what you're building =P |
| 21:48.34 | KarlKFI|work | like getting a value without setting it and getting somehtign better than a NullPointerException |
| 21:48.53 | KarlKFI|work | it's intentional contract that they need to register or set before using it |
| 21:49.12 | KarlKFI|work | with an escape clause for edge cases |
| 21:49.22 | KarlKFI|work | namely this unamable method |
| 21:49.27 | KarlKFI|work | unnamable* |
| 21:50.47 | KarlKFI|work | it's more of a self-populating map, rather than a cache |
| 21:50.57 | KarlKFI|work | so we dont really want to use cache-like naming |
| 21:51.06 | Semlar | yes we do |
| 21:51.11 | Semlar | you're spending too much time on it |
| 21:51.18 | KarlKFI|work | i am |
| 21:51.21 | KarlKFI|work | so? |
| 21:51.36 | KarlKFI|work | caching terms imply too much |
| 21:51.36 | Semlar | just call it something like getCached until you can think of something better |
| 21:51.45 | KarlKFI|work | i did. this is later |
| 21:52.38 | Semlar | getMapped |
| 21:52.49 | KarlKFI|work | getSet |
| 21:52.59 | Semlar | getCrunk |
| 21:54.40 | Semlar | you should call it getSomething |
| 21:58.23 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn: is the Marriott next to the Anaheim Convention Center a good place to stay for BlizzCon? |
| 22:00.15 | KarlKFI|work | nice and close, bit expensive |
| 22:01.43 | Cairenn | Gnarfoz: what KarlKFI|work said |
| 22:03.01 | Cairenn | Also, sells out very fast |
| 22:03.20 | Cairenn | Wouldn't be 1/2 surprised to find out that it already is, since the dates have been announced |
| 22:04.26 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 22:05.38 | Gnarfoz | friend who's going with me looked it up and found some deal: (holy crap that's a long URL... shortening...) http://goo.gl/6hxy0 |
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| 22:06.02 | Gnarfoz | I've got basically no concept of hotel prices in the US (nor here, for that matter :D) |
| 22:07.03 | Cairenn | If you can split the cost of the room, it gets a lot more affordable |
| 22:07.14 | Cairenn | for convenience, it doesn't get much better |
| 22:07.48 | Cairenn | It and the Hilton (directly across the street) are both quite literally right beside the convention center |
| 22:08.01 | TC-work | Spitting distance |
| 22:08.33 | Gnarfoz | I guess we're fine, then, and should book this, soon :D |
| 22:14.00 | KarlKFI|work | $100-ish/night is a great price for 1 person (usually requires AAA discount or similar), $150-225 is not uncommon for Hilton/Mariott tho. Your link had a "long stay discount" which i think is just anything over 4 or 5 days |
| 22:14.38 | KarlKFI|work | anything sub $100 is usually only available at motel 6 or similar |
| 22:16.28 | KarlKFI|work | The Motel 6 less than a mile from the convention can get nights around $600 |
| 22:16.31 | KarlKFI|work | $60* |
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| 22:17.34 | KarlKFI|work | looks like $54/night for that weekend if you do thurs-mon |
| 22:18.17 | KarlKFI|work | (just for comparison) |
| 22:20.21 | Cairenn | but yeah, if you have someone to split the cost with and it's an even half-way decent price, jump on it quick before it's gone |
| 22:20.40 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 22:20.58 | Cairenn | (sorry, afk off and on, rearranging my office area) |
| 22:22.13 | VIad | SimCity5 just kicked me out TC-work! |
| 22:22.50 | TC-work | Actually SimCity just kicked you out |
| 22:23.07 | VIad | it said servers are going down, so I couldn't continue to play :( |
| 22:23.23 | foxlit | dammit, EA/. |
| 22:23.34 | KarlKFI|work | it rolled me back yesterday |
| 22:23.36 | foxlit | You just had to unleash Vliad on us, didn't you? |
| 22:23.46 | KarlKFI|work | how does it roll back something stored locally |
| 22:24.27 | KarlKFI|work | if i have the definitive state of my city locally... why does it need to roll me back? detected local memoy corruption? |
| 22:25.54 | VIad | oh well now I got time to chat with foxlit! |
| 22:26.01 | Adys | http://blog.chromium.org/2013/04/blink-rendering-engine-for-chromium.html |
| 23:03.39 | Adys | HOLY SHIT STOP FUCKING WHINING. |
| 23:03.52 | Adys | You'd think I'm talking about the wow community |
| 23:03.53 | Adys | but nooooooo |
| 23:04.04 | Humbedooh | the French then? |
| 23:04.07 | Adys | "Opera is switching to Webkit" "WAH WAH monoculture!!!" |
| 23:04.38 | Adys | "Chrome is moving awak from Webkit" "WAH WAH corporate culture!!!" |
| 23:07.38 | KarlKFI|work | change produces complaints. I figure republicans must be for the status quo because they're tired of listening to whining. |
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| 23:08.20 | KarlKFI|work | not that people dont whine about the status quo.... just not as loudly |
| 23:17.33 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: whatever you get quoted on a hotel room, expect to pay an extra 20% |
| 23:20.33 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: huh? what for |
| 23:20.38 | Arrowmaster | taxes |
| 23:21.04 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 23:21.59 | Gnarfoz | good thing I booked this from here, but thanks for the heads up. we're probably going to be staying at some places we're not going to have booked in advance |
| 23:22.00 | Arrowmaster | that rate is still great since doing directly to the hotels site and putting in those dates gives me $219 a night |
| 23:22.22 | Gnarfoz | (and by "here" I mean Germany - it's legally required that all advertised prices include all taxes) |
| 23:22.49 | Adys | http://satwcomic.com/it-s-all-about-the-children |
| 23:25.35 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: 220 a night? |
| 23:25.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:26.03 | Arrowmaster | on marriott.com |
| 23:26.12 | TC-work | No Bueno |
| 23:26.37 | TC-work | I have more respect for my money than that |
| 23:28.10 | Arrowmaster | im really tempted to book right now through the site Gnarfoz linked |
| 23:28.26 | TC-work | So you can pay in euros? |
| 23:28.32 | TC-work | I didn't see a usd option |
| 23:28.50 | Arrowmaster | its there |
| 23:30.51 | Gnarfoz | our actual entry page was http://www.trivago.ie/?aDateRange%5Barr%5D=2013-11-06&aDateRange%5Bdep%5D=2013-11-12&iRoomType=7&iPathId=34288& |
| 23:31.02 | Gnarfoz | (adjust for country/currency) |
| 23:31.14 | Gnarfoz | not sure if they might offer something else depending on country |
| 23:32.57 | TC-work | I see $93 rooms |
| 23:36.48 | Arrowmaster | 465 $ (5 Nights) plus taxes and fees of 88 $ |
| 23:37.07 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: there you can guess what your taxes and fees will be for 6 days |
| 23:39.20 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: cool |
| 23:39.50 | Arrowmaster | that was from a site offering $1 less but it came up on the US version of trivago |
| 23:39.51 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: that's pretty much exactly what I paid; at least the legal situation here saves me from bad surprises ;) |
| 23:41.13 | Gnarfoz | without getting too political, has there not been any attempt to make including taxes in prices mandatory, in the US (or probably: in state X, if this would be a state thing) |
| 23:42.12 | Arrowmaster | nothing major ive heard of |
| 23:42.48 | Arrowmaster | problem is every retailer would lobby against it and argue it would cut into their profits somehow |
| 23:46.56 | KarlKFI|work | I believe airline ticket prices are required to include taxes and fees |
| 23:48.01 | KarlKFI|work | but that's Transportation Department regulation |
| 23:48.05 | KarlKFI|work | from last year |
| 23:48.06 | KarlKFI|work | http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2012-01-10/Government-forcing-full-disclosure-on-airfares/52486078/1 |
| 23:48.09 | Arrowmaster | oh no wonder this room is so cheap, its a single bed |
| 23:48.44 | KarlKFI|work | single as in double? |
| 23:48.50 | Arrowmaster | i think |
| 23:49.11 | Arrowmaster | the booking sites description in their terms and services page says a single double bed |
| 23:49.20 | Arrowmaster | but the hotels actual site doesnt offer that |
| 23:49.44 | KarlKFI|work | the hotels are single double bed standard, you pay extra for king or two doubles |
| 23:50.00 | KarlKFI|work | some have queens |
| 23:50.16 | KarlKFI|work | i've never seen one with twin beds outside of europe |
| 23:50.28 | Arrowmaster | they only list 1 king or 2 double on the hotel site |
| 23:50.35 | KarlKFI|work | pretty standard |
| 23:50.49 | KarlKFI|work | 1 double isn't uncommon tho |
| 23:51.05 | KarlKFI|work | especially in urban landscapes |
| 23:51.30 | KarlKFI|work | mayeb they have single double beds for deep discount sites |
| 23:51.52 | Arrowmaster | now im iffy on if i should reserve this |
| 23:51.58 | TC-work | Some parts have more queens than others |
| 23:52.01 | TC-work | like west la |
| 23:52.14 | TC-work | s/la/hollywood/ |
| 23:52.18 | Arrowmaster | i got a room with 2 double beds for $132 + taxes last year |
| 23:52.49 | KarlKFI|work | are there 2 of you? |
| 23:52.54 | Arrowmaster | this is a $93 + taxes room but if it only has 1 bed then i cant share it and split the bill |
| 23:53.08 | TC-work | he stayed with xuirian last year i think |
| 23:53.11 | KarlKFI|work | they dont like it when you share anyway. |
| 23:53.20 | KarlKFI|work | unless you tell them you have 2 people int he room |
| 23:53.33 | Arrowmaster | last year i shared 3 of the 5 nights with a friend, year before was with xinhuan |
| 23:53.45 | Arrowmaster | last blizzcon, not last year |
| 23:54.01 | KarlKFI|work | i havent decided if i'm comign this year... |
| 23:54.08 | KarlKFI|work | not in socal anymore |
| 23:54.15 | Arrowmaster | i never was! |
| 23:54.20 | TC-work | I'll try to make it for the dinner. |
| 23:54.30 | Arrowmaster | fucking long flights on tiny planes |
| 23:54.57 | KarlKFI|work | spose i could see if iriel is going |
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