| 00:04.43 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 00:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | our participation on isle of thunder is 17% |
| 00:05.39 | Ressy | 16% on Medivh. Its really dropped off. |
| 00:05.53 | Ressy | 69% complete stage 4 |
| 00:06.54 | kullervo | Of course it drpos |
| 00:07.04 | kullervo | the number of characters who have visited the island ever is growing ever larger |
| 00:07.14 | kullervo | while the number of people who do dailies remains about the same |
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| 00:10.10 | znf | kullervo, or not - most people have been exalted for... quite a while now |
| 00:10.55 | znf | so people don't bother doing dailies anymore, but they visit the island for achievements, or whatever |
| 00:15.01 | kullervo | people do dailies for three reasons: Coins, VP and CP |
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| 00:15.27 | znf | then I'm not people :( |
| 00:15.55 | kullervo | yaaay I got http://www.wowhead.com/item=18308 from the first run |
| 00:17.59 | Shirik | why the hell does it cost more to insure a package than it does to ship it as registered mail at the same declared value |
| 00:18.01 | Shirik | the USPS makes no sense |
| 00:18.29 | Thunder_Child | I bet there is a difference in the fine print |
| 00:19.32 | Iriel | Or, they're trying to say "ship that registered mail, idiot" |
| 00:19.42 | Iriel | but my primary guess is the same as TC |
| 00:20.38 | Shirik | Package value: $2151.10, small flat rate box. Insurance only: $26.95 (+ box). Registered mail: $18.30 (+ box). http://pastebin.com/8LWsbaGP |
| 00:27.34 | Iriel | Isnt' part of it that registered mail must be handed to the carrier, and the recipient must sign for it |
| 00:27.45 | Iriel | Whereas regular mail is less 'onerous' |
| 00:36.22 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/FzErWli.png - Started with 10 this week. Did a round of dailies, spent 90 for weekly, then all I did were pet battles :-| |
| 00:39.14 | Shirik | yes Iriel, which is why I would expect registered mail to be more expensive |
| 00:39.21 | Shirik | like not only that, there's a complete paper trail |
| 00:39.29 | Shirik | every time one employee hands it off to another, they sign the handoff |
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| 00:40.31 | Shirik | it's so secure it's one of the only methods authorized for shipping of classified material at the secret level |
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| 00:43.54 | Arrowmaster | secret is like the lowest level |
| 00:45.22 | Iriel | Shirik: From an insurance point of view, there's less risk with registered mail, because the process is more thorough. |
| 00:45.27 | Iriel | Shirik: That's my theory, anyway |
| 00:45.35 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Confidential is the lowest |
| 00:46.07 | Arrowmaster | ok then its clearance levels a person can get that secret is the lowest |
| 00:46.31 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure you can be cleared to the confidential level |
| 00:46.41 | Shirik | not sure; not something we deal with |
| 00:47.02 | Arrowmaster | ive never seen confidential level on any job listings for stuff around the base here |
| 00:47.16 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: when are you coming to visit me? |
| 00:47.34 | Shirik | That trip is over :( |
| 00:47.39 | Shirik | actually |
| 00:47.46 | Shirik | I wonder if we have to go back there in a few months |
| 00:47.47 | Shirik | maybe |
| 00:47.57 | Arrowmaster | why didnt you say anything |
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| 00:48.30 | Shirik | because I had like zero free time |
| 00:50.24 | Shirik | According to Wikipedia: "Confidential: Also known as a "public trust" clearance, this is the simplest security clearance to get, typically requiring a few weeks to a few months of investigation. A Confidential clearance requires a NACLC investigation which dates back 7 years on the subject's record and must be renewed (with another investigation) every 15 years. Applicants are required to |
| 00:50.25 | Shirik | complete federal Standard Form 85P." |
| 00:53.17 | Arrowmaster | well ive never seen a local IT job require it, ive seen helpdesk jobs requiring secret clearance |
| 00:58.36 | Thunder_Child | Which would be nice if it was not so damn difficult to get |
| 01:00.00 | A-KO | many IT jobs where I live require it |
| 01:00.05 | A-KO | at least public trust |
| 01:00.15 | A-KO | many are TS/SCI w/ poly now, too. |
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| 01:25.16 | A-KO | wow |
| 01:25.20 | A-KO | this adaptive vsync stuff rules |
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| 01:45.49 | Arrowmaster | dell service tags are weird, like the are assigned backwards |
| 01:47.03 | Arrowmaster | also fuck websites that dont make you confirm emails |
| 01:47.21 | Arrowmaster | now i have to go hijack somebodys brand new cartoon network account that just used my email address |
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| 01:51.48 | Arrowmaster | and i moved the fuckers email over to a mailinator address |
| 01:51.56 | Arrowmaster | hes never getting that account back |
| 01:52.30 | Thunder_Child | so, someone possibly a kid put in the wrong address and you feel the need to do all that? |
| 01:52.44 | Arrowmaster | i dont want it on my email |
| 01:52.55 | Arrowmaster | and i have to reset the password to get in |
| 01:53.09 | Arrowmaster | better i do it now rather than later when i get more emails from them |
| 01:53.48 | Arrowmaster | i blame the site for not making you click a link in the email to confirm it |
| 01:54.25 | Arrowmaster | this is also how i got a copy of battlefield2142 added to my battlefield veteran status |
| 02:05.01 | znf | Arrowmaster, stop having e-mails like xx_DRUGSANDBABES_xx_i_keel_you@hotmail.com |
| 02:05.22 | Thunder_Child | s/hotmail/aol.com/ |
| 02:05.36 | Arrowmaster | its arrowmaster at gmail |
| 02:05.44 | Thunder_Child | well that would have been a fail replace |
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| 02:25.28 | smcn | isn't com.com owned by cnet or something |
| 02:25.29 | bleeter | CBS interactive, yes |
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| 03:01.58 | pompy1 | http://faildesk.net/2013/03/27/guy-builds-video-game-in-excel-in-other-news-least-efficient-game-designer-in-the-world-located/ |
| 03:04.43 | Thunder_Child | hah |
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| 03:28.16 | karl_w_w | there's already a video game in excel |
| 03:30.33 | Thunder_Child | but not an rpg |
| 03:30.55 | Thunder_Child | and that one is not made of macros |
| 03:31.16 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 03:31.26 | karl_w_w | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/548965_520602737987635_1671188573_n.jpg |
| 03:32.23 | Trela | I want to read news, but it is the day before April Fools' Day. ._. |
| 03:32.37 | Thunder_Child | he makes a seriously creepy black guy |
| 03:33.22 | foxlit | Trela: technically, it's already 2013-04-01 in all places that matter :) |
| 03:33.36 | Trela | True, this is Alabama, it does not really matter. |
| 03:36.54 | kd3 | hm. guess I should turn off my feed reader for the next day or so |
| 03:37.31 | foxlit | but what if war erupts in the Korean peninsula? |
| 03:37.41 | foxlit | s/in/on/ |
| 03:38.08 | kd3 | meh |
| 03:38.36 | kd3 | though it would be amusing if kju actually pulls something on april fool's |
| 03:39.28 | Trela | #1 rule of Slashdot. Do not read Slashdot on April 1. None of the stories are real. |
| 03:39.46 | foxlit | kd3: I think you should read the wiki, though. |
| 03:40.56 | kd3 | heh. awesome |
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| 05:10.04 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 05:10.09 | Mr_Rabies | the rare sharing doesn't seem to be working |
| 05:10.21 | Mr_Rabies | i thought anyone who helped kill a rare got a shot at loot |
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| 05:28.33 | karl_w_w | they do |
| 05:28.43 | karl_w_w | it's always worked for me |
| 05:28.54 | karl_w_w | even if the other faction tags first |
| 06:29.27 | Mr_Rabies | the ones on thunder isle do, but isn't it supposed to apply to all rares? |
| 06:29.30 | Mr_Rabies | it certainly didn't work for me earlier in townlong steppes |
| 06:30.12 | karl_w_w | no it isn't |
| 06:30.24 | karl_w_w | other than sha and galleon which are faction tag |
| 06:31.16 | bleeter | I hope we all saw http://steamdb.info/app/800/ |
| 06:36.33 | Maldivia | saw what |
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| 06:47.29 | Maldivia | bleeter: nice april's fool :) |
| 06:49.21 | karl_w_w | april fools pranks work a lot better when people care about the subject matter |
| 06:50.14 | karl_w_w | or at least when they are marginally believable |
| 06:52.09 | nevcairiel | yeah, should've been HL3 :P |
| 06:53.01 | karl_w_w | and not linux only |
| 06:58.26 | karl_w_w | oh look, things happen when you press up on kickstarter |
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| 07:07.07 | bleeter | the interesting thing about that is the whois on the domain name |
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| 07:09.33 | bleeter | fwiw, if there's ever a HL4 would't be suprised if it was linux only |
| 07:10.28 | zenzelezz | if there's any new Valve game, I wouldn't be too surprised. Gabe's been saying for a while now they could drop Windows |
| 07:11.01 | bleeter | and depending on how apple go in the future with their app store on osx, who knows about that |
| 07:12.38 | bleeter | can't be too long until, instead of buying install media, games companies will ship minimum spec'd matchbox sized ARM type machines for running their games |
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| 08:03.44 | nevcairiel | if all you want to play is games that look like freaknig mobile games, sure |
| 08:04.41 | karl_m_m | What the what |
| 08:05.05 | karl_m_m | AndroIRC is so buggy |
| 08:05.36 | nevcairiel | yes, it flipped your w's |
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| 08:06.06 | karl_w_w | no that's deliberate |
| 08:06.31 | karl_w_w | the buggy part is it starting up and connecting all on it's own despite me not touching my phone in hours |
| 08:06.53 | karl_w_w | and then text not showing at all |
| 08:07.31 | Fisker | use a better irc client |
| 08:07.40 | karl_w_w | like what Fisker |
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| 08:28.04 | Fisker | anyone on US online in wow? |
| 08:29.27 | karl_w_w | i can be |
| 08:30.18 | Fisker | what time does noblegarden say in your calendar? |
| 08:32.14 | karl_w_w | 12.5 hours from now |
| 08:32.26 | karl_w_w | that's oceanic time |
| 08:32.34 | Fisker | what does it say in the calendar |
| 08:33.14 | karl_w_w | 0500 |
| 08:33.28 | Fisker | ok |
| 08:33.39 | Fisker | and that is probably offset because you're oceanic? |
| 08:34.22 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 08:34.56 | Fisker | know with how many hours? |
| 08:35.33 | karl_w_w | iunno |
| 08:35.47 | karl_w_w | oceanic is 18 hours ahead of pst |
| 08:35.59 | nevcairiel | dont you have a character on a US realm |
| 08:36.21 | Fisker | sure |
| 08:36.26 | Fisker | but i would have to change shit |
| 08:39.06 | karl_w_w | ill check on a us realm |
| 08:39.59 | Fisker | thanks |
| 08:40.01 | karl_w_w | if i can find one that is pst |
| 08:41.24 | karl_w_w | it says 12:00 |
| 08:41.40 | Fisker | ok |
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| 10:08.37 | Adys | "ARM CPUs, lasers, and Wi-Fi make firing this weapon an experience like no other." |
| 10:08.54 | Adys | Finally, headlines that make me feel I'm in the future \o/ |
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| 10:12.48 | karl_w_w | I wouldn't be surprised if ARM CPUs and lasers and Wi-Fi have been involved in firing fireworks for years already |
| 10:13.29 | karl_w_w | let alone weapons |
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| 10:54.59 | bluworkcow | lol google maps |
| 10:55.03 | bluworkcow | has a treasure theme |
| 10:56.07 | karl_w_w | treasures bluworkcow |
| 10:56.22 | bluworkcow | street view's a spy glass look :P |
| 10:56.51 | karl_w_w | so i can feel like a real peepie? |
| 11:01.55 | bluworkcow | no like a pirate |
| 11:02.16 | Cairenn | GMail Blue: https://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/promos/blue/index.html |
| 11:07.56 | Kalroth | it smells so good |
| 11:09.12 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 11:11.34 | bluworkcow | *gasp* |
| 11:11.39 | bluworkcow | they renamed GMAIL after me |
| 11:11.41 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 11:18.52 | Sintacks | I've been trying to find a greasemonkey script to actually make gmail blue but no one has posted one yet |
| 11:21.16 | Maldivia | Google Nose... I think we have a good contestant for todays winner :) |
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| 11:30.56 | g0urra | Maldivia: I think that McDonalds Sweden was better |
| 11:31.10 | g0urra | they'd remove the cucumber from cheeseburgers |
| 11:31.29 | Humbedooh | nooo |
| 11:31.41 | Humbedooh | I'd still not go eat their stuff, but nooo |
| 11:33.02 | g0urra | what, the cucumber is gross |
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| 11:34.34 | g0urra | "DNA test to reveal sloppy dog owners" |
| 11:34.54 | g0urra | local newspaper about 8000 going to be tested to make sure that the dog owners are responsible for the dog poo |
| 11:34.59 | g0urra | 8000 dogs* |
| 11:51.14 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
| 12:03.52 | mikma | g0urra: okidokielokie |
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| 12:24.58 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 12:25.01 | bluworkcow | Google Nose |
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| 13:19.49 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H542nLTTbu0 lol |
| 13:38.24 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: google seems to be on a roll today :) |
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| 14:23.26 | TC-work | Been at work 20 min, and already I am quite annoyed. |
| 14:23.50 | Lopeppeppy | Hoppy Monday? |
| 14:24.06 | TC-work | mutters to himself |
| 14:26.13 | TC-work | I hope no one pulls a prank on me, I feel like decking someone. |
| 14:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | Hoo boy. The moving men are just now discovering that there's no elevator that will fit our filing cabinets and they have to dolly them across campus by hand. April Fools sucks. |
| 14:27.11 | TC-work | Most places don't have sideways moving elevators. |
| 14:27.31 | TC-work | or slideways for that matter |
| 14:28.47 | Lopeppeppy | They'd be happy with one that's not a dumbwaiter. |
| 14:29.02 | Fisker | you hid the elevator just for april fools Lopeppeppy ? |
| 14:29.13 | TC-work | Don't you need to have one for handicap access? |
| 14:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously did, Fisker. |
| 14:29.41 | Fisker | oh man |
| 14:29.43 | Lopeppeppy | TC, both levels of the building are "ground floor" access and ramped. |
| 14:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | But pushing 35 filing cabinets up a friggin' ramp is going to get tiresome. :) |
| 14:29.59 | Fisker | If i were an elevator company i would totally lobby for handicap accessible elevators |
| 14:30.25 | TC-work | Still better than carrying them up stairs. |
| 14:30.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wouldn't suck so hard if they hadn't loaded them all onto a truck and driven over to the wrong side of the building... |
| 14:38.22 | TC-work | Fisker: Rage with me |
| 14:39.45 | Fisker | KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN |
| 14:40.46 | TC-work | Thank You. |
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| 14:45.15 | Unkle | Station. |
| 14:45.46 | TC-work | I refuse |
| 14:46.26 | Unkle | Then you get shot out of a cannon, into the sun. |
| 14:46.37 | TC-work | Sounds good. |
| 14:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | Please, me next. |
| 14:47.50 | TC-work | You may have a line to use your cannon Unkle, it's one of those days. |
| 14:48.46 | Unkle | We'll strap you into a small metal sheath, and launch you and 9 others into an orbit which decays into the sun. Sadly, you'll be dead by the time the capsule leaves the barrel. |
| 14:50.39 | Unkle | Oh look... Crabby. |
| 14:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | No leftover bunny candy? |
| 14:53.05 | Unkle | You assume I *got* bunny candy. |
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| 14:54.21 | TC-work | Did you get human candy? |
| 14:54.28 | Unkle | I watched movies, drank whiskey and slept in. That's *way better* than bunny candy. |
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| 14:56.44 | Lopeppeppy | I got a banana. |
| 14:56.54 | Lopeppeppy | Bunnies don't like cats, apparently. |
| 14:58.02 | Unkle | My cats were all, "Wait, you *said* there would be a bunny. WHERE IS IT?" |
| 15:08.02 | Lopeppeppy | Waiting to eat it, no doubt. |
| 15:08.38 | Unkle | Srsly. |
| 15:09.13 | Lopeppeppy | Why is it raining on moving day? *le sigh* |
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| 15:09.30 | Unkle | It always rains on moving day. |
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| 15:51.39 | Lopeppeppy | If it would stop raining, I'd drag my personal stuff across campus... La la la la moving la la la... |
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| 15:53.41 | TC-work | Just put all the stuff you want the school to replace for you on top |
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| 15:55.32 | Lopeppeppy | I think that the whole box will melt, and then break the glasses inside. Can't replace my 1991 graduation glass. |
| 15:56.23 | TC-work | Break the glass? Is it raining or hailing? |
| 16:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | If the cardboard box melts in the rain, the items fall out onto the concrete... breakage. Bad. |
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| 16:05.04 | Unkle | Breaking Bad - a story about moving in the rain. |
| 16:12.42 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:14.20 | Semlar | did they change blank GUIDs in the combat log from 0x000000000000000000 to an empty string at some point |
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| 16:18.27 | Torhal|work | Semlar: Yah, I ran across that for the sourceGUID in UNIT_DIED |
| 16:18.35 | Torhal|work | It's "" |
| 16:18.52 | Semlar | it probably won't ever be 0 then, right |
| 16:19.07 | Torhal|work | Can't answer; Blizzard does stuff. |
| 16:19.27 | Semlar | i'm fixing a really old script i wrote and it was converting it to a number and checking that it wasn't 0 to see if it didn't exist |
| 16:20.36 | Semlar | although i wonder if checking that their name exists might be a better way to do it |
| 16:20.51 | Semlar | what are the odds something has a name and doesn't have a guid |
| 16:21.05 | Semlar | >_> |
| 16:21.28 | Torhal|work | ~8ball |
| 16:21.29 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Most likely |
| 16:21.33 | Semlar | noo |
| 16:27.03 | Unkle | Semlar many and confusing are the ways of Blizzard's naming. |
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| 16:30.38 | Semlar | well, as long as this stops throwing errors it's good enough for me |
| 16:32.16 | Torhal|work | Semlar: Comment out all the things! |
| 16:32.59 | Semlar | changes toc version from 30300 |
| 16:36.13 | Unkle | comments out Torhal's Human Interface Library |
| 16:37.35 | karl_w_w | everything has a guid |
| 16:37.41 | karl_w_w | even Fisker |
| 16:38.01 | Semlar | yeah but either the source or destination can be blank |
| 16:38.34 | Semlar | so i need to check that it actually exists first |
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| 16:45.46 | bluworkcow | http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Orange+Teardown/13470/1 |
| 16:45.48 | bluworkcow | LOL |
| 16:49.53 | TC-work | I was waiting for the '10 out of 10' for deliciousness |
| 16:53.50 | Fisker | hey TC-work |
| 16:53.57 | TC-work | Hey Fisker |
| 16:55.37 | Fisker | i get it bluworkcow |
| 16:56.21 | bluworkcow | hi2u |
| 16:56.49 | Fisker | hi2u bluworkcow |
| 16:56.58 | Fisker | why are you hi2u'ing me? |
| 16:57.08 | Fisker | I didn't ask for this |
| 16:57.15 | bluworkcow | idunnolol |
| 16:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | made a mess all over creation. It was fun. |
| 17:01.23 | bluworkcow | hihihihihihhihi Peppy |
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| 17:24.37 | Unkle | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/04/reselling-digital-goods/ |
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| 17:49.20 | Fisker | :( Unkle |
| 17:50.36 | Fisker | i hope it's april first |
| 17:51.21 | Fisker | though i do dislike the business model of taking other peoples used stuff and reselling it |
| 17:51.51 | TC-work | so you hate thrift stores? |
| 18:04.32 | Unkle | Fisker - Real decision, real case. Essentially the judge has decided that a digital item can't qualify for the First Sale Doctrine if you transmit the item digitally. So, all those ebooks and music tracks you paid for? You don't own them. |
| 18:06.19 | Fisker | dunno what they are TC-work |
| 18:06.48 | Fisker | i hate stores like gamestop massively buying newly used games to sell them as essentially new products sidestepping vendor profits |
| 18:08.10 | Mr_Rabies | if the game was any good it probably wouldn't have a billion used copies in a week |
| 18:08.29 | TC-work | Unkle: I thought he was saying it was not a resale because it is copied to the user? |
| 18:08.54 | TC-work | Fisker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrift_store |
| 18:09.31 | Fisker | considering the business model, sure it would |
| 18:09.40 | Fisker | unless the game is a pretty good online game |
| 18:09.49 | Fisker | in which case the cd-key is probably bound to some sort of account anyway |
| 18:10.38 | Mr_Rabies | i can't agree fisker |
| 18:10.56 | Fisker | sure you can |
| 18:11.12 | Unkle | TC-work: And transmitted via the internet. So you bought an ebook and a copy was transmitted to you. Unless you hand over the device on which it is stored and have no other digital copies - you're infringing if you resell it. This is ... going to result in bad law. |
| 18:11.24 | Mr_Rabies | if less than a week is all it takes to get bored enough with a game on any kind of large scale, it probably doesn't deserve the extra profits |
| 18:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | they should instead consider charging less for their product and get more sales that way |
| 18:12.24 | Fisker | i finished Bioshock Infinite in less than 2 days |
| 18:12.28 | Fisker | it is useless for me now |
| 18:12.47 | Mr_Rabies | so you'd rather it be impossible to resell your useless junk? |
| 18:13.23 | Fisker | nope |
| 18:14.44 | Mr_Rabies | but what's what you're saying :o |
| 18:15.44 | Fisker | i said i hate those establishments making a business of it basically infinitely (or close to it) recycling a supply of used copies |
| 18:16.06 | Fisker | where technically 1000 sales going right to the pockets of the company while only 10 of those went to the developer |
| 18:16.19 | Mr_Rabies | there's a market for it, i don't see the issue |
| 18:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | the reason there's a market like that for it is that games are generally not worth full price |
| 18:17.30 | Fisker | but they are sold at basically full price |
| 18:17.42 | Fisker | They do it with new games, even popular ones |
| 18:17.51 | Fisker | not because they are shit |
| 18:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | well, perhaps the company should cut their initial charge to the used price |
| 18:18.31 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. if gamestop is selling it at $55.99 the day after launch, perhaps they should have started at that price |
| 18:18.58 | Unkle | Resale of games is only a problem if your company thinks it's being screwed by the nebulous "secondary" market. |
| 18:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | the way to edge out gamestop is to charge less than is worth shelf space for a used copy |
| 18:20.05 | Unkle | If you decide that somehow you should have gotten those sales in the secondary market as primary sales, then you've got a whole different problem with your product and market. |
| 18:20.09 | Mr_Rabies | or make the game good enough to stay off the used shelves for a while |
| 18:20.25 | Mr_Rabies | i'm probably never buying another game for over $40, myself |
| 18:20.39 | Mr_Rabies | they're just not really worth any more than that to me |
| 18:20.56 | jane | you can find used games now easily? too much dlc and enforced online play.. |
| 18:21.19 | jane | i also bought one wii u game used and it wouldnt work at all, and all the similar complaints were from used/rental game sites |
| 18:21.20 | foxlit | "Mr_Rabies: the way to edge out gamestop is to charge less than is worth shelf space for a used copy" << and how much is that, exactly? |
| 18:21.38 | Mr_Rabies | it'll take time to find the sweet number, of course |
| 18:21.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's different for each game, and relates to demand |
| 18:22.05 | foxlit | that sounds like bullshit. |
| 18:22.16 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 18:22.16 | foxlit | It must cost the same amount to put a game on a shelf regardless of what game that is |
| 18:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 18:22.38 | jane | and you hope that the popular games will pay for the games that otherwise sit there and rot |
| 18:22.48 | Fisker | jane it's mostly gone from PC's these game since most of require binding your game to some online service |
| 18:22.55 | Fisker | so mostly only works with consoles these days |
| 18:23.00 | Mr_Rabies | do you think gamestop will put a bunch of copies of ET for Atari 2600 on the shelf, foxlit? |
| 18:23.01 | Fisker | which it won't do for long |
| 18:23.06 | Mr_Rabies | no, because it's not worth the shelf space |
| 18:23.07 | jane | Fisker: right. |
| 18:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | at any price |
| 18:23.20 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: do you think you can realistically stop gamestop undercutting developers by charging $X-5? |
| 18:23.22 | jane | i have no position on used games but boy do i hate that.. i havent bought the new sim city yet as a result |
| 18:23.30 | Mr_Rabies | yes, foxlit |
| 18:23.37 | Mr_Rabies | eventually their model will break |
| 18:23.58 | Mr_Rabies | it won't be nearly as profitable to work in the secondary market if games weren't so expensive to start |
| 18:24.01 | jane | its one thing to play a game that needs to be online, its another if you just want single player and its like hurrr you need to be online |
| 18:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | right now there's a lot of profit because games cost too much money |
| 18:24.39 | foxlit | that sounds like a bullshit excuse to me. |
| 18:24.43 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 18:25.04 | foxlit | "oh, I'd buy it new, but I just can't find it in my hard to pay those outrageous $60!" |
| 18:25.11 | foxlit | s/hard/heart/ |
| 18:25.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's exactly what i do |
| 18:25.22 | jane | i dont know about lots of profit ...not to mention theres a whole gigantic market for <$5 games on mobile |
| 18:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | i only buy stuff on steam sales, etc |
| 18:25.39 | Mr_Rabies | if it's console exclusive i wait for the price to be worth it for me |
| 18:25.51 | Mr_Rabies | for instance, i got bayonetta for $10 at a used game store recently |
| 18:25.52 | foxlit | You'll just redefine what it means to be "worth it" to you. |
| 18:26.25 | Mr_Rabies | i'd have never bought bayonetta for $60 |
| 18:26.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably have bought it new if it was $30 at launch |
| 18:27.09 | Mr_Rabies | instead i just kept putting it off because i barely have time to play all the games i want to anyway, and i picked it up for $10 |
| 18:27.24 | jane | i hate steam sales cause i spend so much money on games i never play.. |
| 18:27.47 | Mr_Rabies | i had absolutely zero desire to get it for $60 despite knowing it's a good game with excellent gameplay |
| 18:28.53 | foxlit | what makes $60 too much, anyway? |
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| 18:30.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's not worth $60 to me, personally, to play a game, when i could play another game i bought that's just a little older for half that price |
| 18:30.29 | Mr_Rabies | metal gear rising? i'll probably get that once it drops to $40 or so |
| 18:30.33 | Unkle | Actually, if you pay $60 for a game and get oh, 12 hours out of it, it's a pretty good deal. Far better than a movie out. |
| 18:31.06 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think hours spent per dollar is any kind of measurement |
| 18:31.17 | foxlit | In five hypothetical years: "it's not with $30 to me, personally, to play a game, when i could play another game i bought that's just a little older for half that price" |
| 18:31.24 | foxlit | repeat ad infinitum. |
| 18:31.24 | Mr_Rabies | it could just waste your time with 6 hours of filler |
| 18:31.27 | Mr_Rabies | possibly, foxlit |
| 18:31.33 | Mr_Rabies | but that's how all purchases work |
| 18:31.47 | jane | this is too subjective. i have a $2 app that people complain is too expensive :p |
| 18:31.48 | Mr_Rabies | if it's worth the price, people will pay it |
| 18:32.02 | foxlit | some people are paying the current prices |
| 18:32.07 | foxlit | others whine about it |
| 18:32.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's worth it to some people |
| 18:32.16 | foxlit | I think that situation will continue regardless of what you set the price to |
| 18:32.27 | Mr_Rabies | exactly |
| 18:32.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's all about how large you want your market to be |
| 18:32.52 | Mr_Rabies | if you want to increase the primary market, make the games more valuable |
| 18:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | if you don't care, then keep on doing what they've been doing for the past 10-15 years |
| 18:33.10 | foxlit | Or we can break the secondary market, because fuck that. |
| 18:33.25 | Semlar | i wonder what model:SetCameraTarget does |
| 18:33.38 | Mr_Rabies | the secondary market is a necessity |
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| 18:34.13 | foxlit | oh? |
| 18:34.17 | Mr_Rabies | when there's no valuable way to get a product, people will generally just not purchase it |
| 18:34.29 | Semlar | only if they can't afford it |
| 18:34.30 | jane | they'll pirate it. |
| 18:34.42 | Mr_Rabies | that's a way to not purchase it, jane |
| 18:34.53 | jane | there's a big difference between not buying and pirating |
| 18:35.00 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i do in some cases if there's no affordable way to get the product i want |
| 18:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | or valuable way |
| 18:35.29 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: or perhaps, if there was no price depreciation, you wouldn't think "oh I'll just buy that in 2 years at half the price" and buy the game you know to be good. |
| 18:35.50 | Mr_Rabies | there's only price deprecation because the market demands it |
| 18:36.24 | Mr_Rabies | after the hype train's over, it's competing with everything from free to play games to castlevania 1 for NES to preorders for games that aren't even out |
| 18:36.25 | jane | as if the "waaa $2 is too much" emails werent enough, the "i pirated the app and i need to suck up your time" emails are worse |
| 18:36.37 | foxlit | No, there's price depreciation because there are limitations on physical goods |
| 18:37.15 | foxlit | At some point, it costs someone money to have boxes of stuff in stock. This is much less acute with bits. |
| 18:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | sure, but you're going to limit sales dealing exclusively through digital rentals |
| 18:38.18 | Mr_Rabies | for instance, i don't rent movies or comics or anything digitally |
| 18:38.31 | Mr_Rabies | i only rent games digitally because to date i've been happy with the value |
| 18:38.54 | Mr_Rabies | steam sales have provided with quite a few valuable deals |
| 18:39.07 | Mr_Rabies | and i realize the whole time that since i don't own the product, it's worth less to me |
| 18:39.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'm paying someone for the right to play it for a limited amount of time |
| 18:39.44 | Mr_Rabies | which is worth considerably less than a physical copy |
| 18:40.09 | Mr_Rabies | for that reason, i actually value console games more despite preferring to play pc games |
| 18:40.38 | Mr_Rabies | because when the product's worthless to me, i can recoup some of the costs by reselling it, just like anything else i own in this world |
| 18:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think software should be magically immune to that |
| 18:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | i think your future of competition free pricing for software rentals that is set by the publisher is pretty scary, to be honest |
| 18:43.58 | Mr_Rabies | in that environment, i'd probably pirate everything |
| 18:44.12 | foxlit | don't worry, it solves piracy too. |
| 18:44.26 | Mr_Rabies | how so? DRM? |
| 18:44.48 | jane | competition free software sales? like, mobile apps? lots of piracy there. |
| 18:45.07 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, there is tons of piracy on mobile apps because the markets are so locked down |
| 18:45.38 | foxlit | for games, it's pretty obvious: simply don't ship anything except a video stream from some service in the cloud. |
| 18:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | this kills the market |
| 18:46.08 | foxlit | no, I'm pretty sure you can still buy things. |
| 18:46.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'd just stop buying new games and be happy with my archive |
| 18:46.31 | Mr_Rabies | there are thousands of games out there that don't have such horrible restrictions |
| 18:46.48 | foxlit | you make a pretty poor representative sample. :) |
| 18:46.51 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm sure plenty of developers wouldn't buy into your weird draconic scheme |
| 18:47.15 | foxlit | "Developers for piracy!" << that'd be awesome :P |
| 18:47.18 | Mr_Rabies | i can't really see how you can really support that model at all, foxlit |
| 18:47.31 | jane | i don't like that idea and i'm not for piracy 99% of the time either |
| 18:47.33 | nevcairiel | people even put up with origin to play EA games, its not about "i can get that game with less hassle", its about "i want to play x" |
| 18:47.45 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't really think you were that greedy, i've generally agreed with you on stuff like that |
| 18:47.47 | jane | its "how much do i want to play x that i'm willing to put up with (origin) |
| 18:48.04 | jane | :'( |
| 18:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | don't get me wrong, i'm not a stallman-esque freetard, but i think your proposed model is honestly one i'd rather never see |
| 18:48.36 | Mr_Rabies | i'm likely never installing origin myself |
| 18:48.44 | Mr_Rabies | it would take a LOT for me to open an account with them |
| 18:49.04 | Mr_Rabies | like, the whole EA library for free, "a LOT" |
| 18:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | their service is beyond worthless to me, and not because they're competition to steam |
| 18:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's entirely unrelated to steam |
| 18:49.54 | Mr_Rabies | in a world where origin was the only option, i'd simply stop participating in the market |
| 18:50.15 | foxlit | It strikes me as obvious that, in the end, /someone/ must pay to develop this stuff. |
| 18:50.50 | Dagmar | I'm not dealing with Origin strictly on the basis of the amount of douchebaggery EA has engaged in surrounding it. |
| 18:50.57 | jane | and someone can choose to avoid the shitty end use experience too |
| 18:51.09 | jane | user* |
| 18:51.15 | Mr_Rabies | most of the cost for modern games goes into increasingly less effective and more ridiculous marketing strategies |
| 18:51.17 | foxlit | thing is, nobody said anything about having shitty end-user experience. |
| 18:51.29 | jane | in the context of origin? |
| 18:51.35 | Mr_Rabies | your model is a shitty end-user experience, to me, foxlit |
| 18:51.44 | Unkle | Mostly, when people say "Free" they mean, "I didn't have to pull money out of my pocket right now to get it." People are pretty bad at figuring out what the upstream costs of things are. |
| 18:51.49 | jane | and drm usually tends to fuck someone over |
| 18:51.59 | foxlit | jane: not a context I was suggesting :) |
| 18:52.07 | jane | foxlit: well my statement was |
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| 18:52.53 | foxlit | Here's a simple question: if we can magically prevent piracy through technical means that do not inconvenience legitimate users playing a game they paid for, is that a good or bad thing? |
| 18:53.08 | jane | foxlit: as a dev i'd say that's a good thing, but i have yet to see it in action |
| 18:53.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, show me a model that can do that |
| 18:53.38 | jane | my only objection is that ive always been inconvenienced unnecessarily. i don't care about the price. |
| 18:53.46 | TC-work | It did say magically |
| 18:54.05 | jane | right. if it magically works then no objection. |
| 18:54.06 | Mr_Rabies | i don't argue hypotheticals that are that outside the boundaries of reality |
| 18:54.28 | foxlit | It's just a placeholder for future technology. |
| 18:54.29 | TC-work | It is hardly outside the boundary of reality |
| 18:54.38 | jane | until that future arrives i won't be a fan |
| 18:54.50 | Mr_Rabies | so far pretty much no antipiracy measure has 1) stopped piracy or 2) not inconvenienced legitimate users |
| 18:54.55 | foxlit | (I'm perfectly okay with you disliking existing DRM schemes) |
| 18:55.01 | karl_w_w | if it is reality then an example of such must exist, TC-work |
| 18:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | to me, an inconvenience is the inability to resell the product |
| 18:55.24 | Mr_Rabies | that's a major value-reducer to me |
| 18:55.33 | TC-work | karl_w_w: no, only the probability needs to exist. |
| 18:55.44 | karl_w_w | probability? |
| 18:56.03 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: note that the phrasing of the question explicitly disqualifies your "inconvinience" |
| 18:56.15 | jane | at a point i can live without the ability to resell. like imagine if people wanted to resell 99 cent iPhone games. at 99 cents its not worth it |
| 18:56.15 | TC-work | yes |
| 18:56.16 | karl_w_w | if it has never happened, that's a pretty simple probability calculation |
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| 18:56.20 | jane | and i bet you would too |
| 18:56.25 | foxlit | you're arguing about pricing, which is frankly irrelevant. |
| 18:56.27 | Mr_Rabies | i can't, jane |
| 18:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | imagine having to return your furniture to the company that made it after they decide you should |
| 18:57.11 | Dagmar | I have a _far_ bigger problem with the DRM frankly ensuring that 10 years from now, the only thing left of the game will be screenshots. |
| 18:57.12 | jane | shrug. all that said i dont like it if you cant ever do it legally, but practically speaking.. |
| 18:57.20 | Unkle | Is reselling anything priced at $0.99 worth the effort involved on a small scale? |
| 18:57.32 | Mr_Rabies | boom |
| 18:57.41 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i meant about gamestop |
| 18:57.45 | nevcairiel | i've never bought a pre-owned game, and i don't think i ever would. :p |
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| 18:58.05 | Mr_Rabies | eventually it becomes useless for a company that mostly deals in the secondary market to exist, if you're really that worried about such companies |
| 18:58.06 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: whee, a number, finally |
| 18:58.09 | Dagmar | If a company releases a product which is "protected" in such a way that prevents it ever going into the public domain, then they should not enjoy the protection of copyright at all. |
| 18:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | i never said a number, foxlit |
| 18:58.26 | foxlit | no, you responded to a number and said "that is what I meant!" |
| 18:58.32 | Unkle | I bought a bunch for my PS2 back in the day. Because the damned console was expensive and I couldn't imagine playing just one game all the time. |
| 18:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 18:59.10 | Mr_Rabies | it's the concept that eventually a product will become worthless for a company that exists exclusively on secondary sales to continue with that model |
| 18:59.12 | foxlit | And the larger point there is, can you get enough people to buy the game at the low, low price of 0.99$ to justify a multi-million development budget? |
| 18:59.29 | Mr_Rabies | ah, i don't think a multi-million dollar development budget is generally necessary |
| 18:59.44 | jane | no, you flood the likes of the app store with a fuckton of similar games and tons of in app purchase that is too easy to buy |
| 18:59.49 | jane | i hate the market |
| 18:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | how much did clash at demonhead cost to make and localize? |
| 19:00.14 | nevcairiel | if you like playing pong-derivates, you're free to play games with a budget of $1000 :p |
| 19:00.27 | Mr_Rabies | my guess it is probably wasn't multi-million dollar, adjusted for inflation |
| 19:01.05 | foxlit | games from 1990, eh? |
| 19:01.18 | Unkle | The "Different, but very similar to something else that made money" problem. |
| 19:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they compete with bioshock infinite |
| 19:01.27 | Mr_Rabies | to me, at least |
| 19:01.30 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not everyone |
| 19:02.17 | nevcairiel | games just cost more to make today, because you need to deliver more |
| 19:02.39 | nevcairiel | and if its only more graphics artists you need to hire and an engine to license |
| 19:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a bs excuse, honestly |
| 19:03.46 | nevcairiel | i think comparing a 23 year old game to one from today is BS, too |
| 19:03.54 | Mr_Rabies | earth defense force 2017 probably paid all its bills and more, and there's no way that game cost nearly as much as cawadoody 16: blood on the moon |
| 19:04.51 | foxlit | (is it concerning that I have to google each and everyone of those titles?) |
| 19:04.53 | Mr_Rabies | that's a more recent game that generally adopted a good business model |
| 19:05.10 | jane | foxlit: me too.. lol |
| 19:05.23 | Mr_Rabies | EDF 2017 is a better game than many games you've heard a lot about |
| 19:05.25 | nevcairiel | foxlit: it just shows how irrelevant the comparisons are |
| 19:05.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think it just shows how much game developers shouldn't worry about the secondary market |
| 19:06.02 | kd3 | it's... almost a joke? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/010062.html |
| 19:06.19 | Mr_Rabies | if they're profitable enough to shun another developer for not making their kinds of profits |
| 19:06.21 | smcn | people are bad at knowing how much games cost, see: http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/the-little-fighting-game-that-could/1100-4587/ http://www.giantbomb.com/podcasts/giant-bomb-s-interview-dumptruck-peter-bartholow-0/1600-432/ |
| 19:06.22 | Mr_Rabies | they probably aren't hurting from the secondary market |
| 19:06.31 | nevcairiel | kd3: the way i see it, lennart is a joke in itself |
| 19:06.51 | TC-work | "Technically, this move makes perfectly sense, too." uh huh |
| 19:06.51 | nevcairiel | kd3: and he would probably do this, too |
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| 19:07.12 | jane | developers are terrible at knowing how much developing anything costs :d |
| 19:08.11 | smcn | i mean to make |
| 19:08.43 | Mr_Rabies | if your only defense against a game is "that wasn't profitable enough for me to know about it" and yet it was in the black monetarily, i think that adds to the fact that games cost too much |
| 19:09.15 | nevcairiel | if you make a cheap game, you also need only few people to buy it |
| 19:09.21 | nevcairiel | but then, we would only have cheap games |
| 19:09.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather have a market full of EDFs than a market full of Dishonoreds |
| 19:10.03 | nevcairiel | such games may be fun and all, but nothing against a game with a giant world to explore with so much details that alone take up a million to setup |
| 19:10.13 | Unkle | I don't need a defense against a game. I only need to know if the material is relevant to my interests, which means whomever is marketing it needs to make sure the message gets to my eyeballs or ear-holes. |
| 19:10.24 | jane | marketing is expensive. |
| 19:10.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think giant overworld games are generally a waste of everyone's time |
| 19:10.36 | Unkle | jane: Yes, it is. |
| 19:10.36 | nevcairiel | games are generally a waste of time |
| 19:10.39 | nevcairiel | and thats by design |
| 19:10.40 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:10.42 | Mr_Rabies | to do them right is entirely too expensive, and none have really done them right |
| 19:10.57 | Mr_Rabies | bethesda games are chock full of lazy filler and copy/paste to cut cost |
| 19:11.03 | jane | it doesnt matter if your game is f2p or $100.. marketing matters :( |
| 19:11.04 | Mr_Rabies | because to do otherwise is insane at this point |
| 19:11.13 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 19:11.19 | Mr_Rabies | instead, they opted to half-ass it |
| 19:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather have a small, focused game with a great, if a little more limited world, than a huge halfassed world with lots of filler and lazy copy/pasting |
| 19:12.08 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls compared to skyrim, for example |
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| 19:12.45 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls is one of the few games this decade to be worth $60 for me |
| 19:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | hell, i bought it twice |
| 19:12.58 | Mr_Rabies | and a $50 artbook |
| 19:13.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's not a perfect game |
| 19:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | but it does everything right, that so many developers have forgotten or never learned over the years |
| 19:13.53 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 19:14.02 | Mr_Rabies | not everything, "many things" |
| 19:15.02 | Mr_Rabies | it's a revival of how games used to be, before they were worried about secondary market and "abloo bloo bloo my skyscraper-sized banner didn't rake in enough profits for our shareholders" |
| 19:19.26 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 19:19.44 | nevcairiel | its a fisker |
| 19:19.53 | Fisker | yes |
| 19:20.37 | Fisker | want a ban of some sort nevcairiel ? |
| 19:20.44 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:21.24 | karl_w_w | bans nevcairiel from getting banned |
| 19:21.32 | nevcairiel | \o/ |
| 19:25.18 | kd3 | wow... has it really been 9 years since gmail launched? |
| 19:25.34 | Dagmar | Judging from my mail spool, yes. |
| 19:26.52 | kd3 | huh. 6/23/04 |
| 19:30.00 | Fisker | punches kd3 |
| 19:30.02 | Fisker | sorry |
| 19:35.22 | Dagmar | Don't go to mysteamgauge.com. |
| 19:35.28 | Dagmar | It won't make you happy. |
| 19:36.53 | Fisker | if you go down this path you will only find misery |
| 19:39.10 | Unkle | forever will it dominate your destiny? |
| 19:39.20 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/planking5.jpg |
| 19:39.58 | Fisker | serves them right |
| 19:40.02 | TC-work | Dagmar: I think that site is not so good. It's lists that I have about 30 dlc's. I am fairly sure I have a lot more |
| 19:55.26 | Dagmar | TC-work: I was more distressed by the four-digit figure it valued my collection at. |
| 19:56.36 | Eridius | it doesn't know how much you paid for the item either. No idea about sales/whatever |
| 19:57.52 | TC-work | Dagmar: because it doesn't know sales |
| 19:58.17 | TC-work | or i could not pay attention and say exactly what Eridius said. |
| 19:59.16 | Eridius | hehe |
| 20:07.15 | TC-work | stress testing a laptop at the moment and it's at about 86c |
| 20:07.29 | TC-work | I wonder if i can kill it |
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| 20:30.14 | foxlit | pssst, https://code.google.com/codejam is in like 12 days: you all should register and participate. |
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| 20:51.31 | VIad | Semlar: seems like p3lim took your idea and made an addon. |
| 20:52.00 | VIad | but he does have some issues properly displaying the loot in the popup frame tough, seems to be something related to the EJ API or event triggers |
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| 20:53.13 | Semlar | i'm not sure what's wrong with it, the way i did it was different and seems to work fine in normal dungeons for me |
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| 20:55.10 | VIad | he uses the event SPELL_CONFIRMATION_PROMPT |
| 20:55.27 | VIad | each encounter seems to fire a unique spell that is linked to each bonus roll window popup |
| 20:55.36 | VIad | uses the spell to map the encounter id |
| 20:55.40 | VIad | to then extract the rewards and such |
| 20:56.42 | Semlar | i think he's underestimating how much you have to do to make sure the journal doesn't interfere with your filter |
| 20:56.49 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:56.51 | VIad | that' |
| 20:56.56 | VIad | that's what I suspect goes wrong :P |
| 20:57.33 | Semlar | i had to actually unregister an event from the encounter journal while i was using the api |
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| 20:58.26 | VIad | I suspect if you really want to not be affected by the EJ you should maybe cache the instance when you enter it or something? don't know but to avoid the user control from altering the data displayed |
| 20:58.36 | VIad | for instance if I started to browse the EJ the data on the screen changed too |
| 20:58.51 | VIad | or if you mess with it while you defeat the boss and such, it can change what data is shown |
| 20:59.11 | Semlar | i just cached all of the drops when you entered an instance |
| 20:59.22 | VIad | yeah I think it's easiest way |
| 20:59.57 | Semlar | well it shouldn't make that much of a difference since he knows the encounter id for the roll |
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| 21:00.44 | Semlar | it doesn't take that much time to get it to populate the list for a given encounter, assuming everything is set correctly |
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| 21:03.06 | VIad | what about restoring the users view? |
| 21:03.12 | VIad | if he has a specific view opened up |
| 21:03.33 | VIad | if you use API to change encounter and such you'd navigate away from what the EJ is viewing |
| 21:03.41 | Semlar | however i did it didn't mess up using the encounter journal at all |
| 21:03.44 | VIad | for instance I defeat the boss (soon dead) so I look up the net boss and such |
| 21:03.50 | VIad | aha, ok |
| 21:04.01 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's all from unregistering the event |
| 21:04.19 | Semlar | it would prevent it from trying to update based on my settings |
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| 21:13.32 | VIad | smart Semlar |
| 21:13.36 | VIad | if only p3lim was here |
| 21:14.36 | VIad | Semlar: you happy if the UI changed to js/swf? :P |
| 21:14.45 | Semlar | no |
| 21:14.52 | VIad | c'mon you love that swf |
| 21:14.55 | Semlar | no |
| 21:15.09 | VIad | *buys blizzard just to enforce swf* |
| 21:27.57 | VIad | here are some science news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwmdf5m9khg |
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| 21:38.25 | karl_w_w | I'm excited VIad, I've been hoping for this sort of breakthrough for a while |
| 21:38.42 | VIad | I'm glad you enjoyed it |
| 21:39.38 | karl_w_w | it puts me in mind of posh nosh |
| 21:41.08 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzjR0yL4f0Y nosense speak ftw |
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| 21:57.54 | A-KO | For all the Whovians, the most epic of epic pictures: http://i.imgur.com/taQQXnj.jpg |
| 21:59.23 | Alram | it gets better A-KO |
| 21:59.38 | Alram | rumor has it chris ecclestone is involved as well |
| 21:59.57 | Alram | stone? really Alram? |
| 21:59.59 | Alram | fuck i should go to bed |
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| 22:01.04 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:01.12 | A-KO | Alram: That would be interesting |
| 22:01.29 | Alram | yes it would |
| 22:01.30 | A-KO | though admittedly, I'm not a huge Eccleston fan--but I think that largely has to do with the production quality of that series....it just....wasn't that great....lol |
| 22:01.45 | Alram | moffat can make it work |
| 22:01.51 | Alram | some plot twists here and there |
| 22:03.19 | A-KO | yeah. It's not like he's a stranger to mucking with continuity a bit... |
| 22:03.20 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:03.22 | Adys | http://www.cc.gatech.edu/grads/l/ledantec/files/poole-ledantec-reflecting-ubicomp08.pdf |
| 22:03.25 | Alram | so true |
| 22:03.26 | Adys | this paper is brilliant |
| 22:03.34 | Alram | tl;dr Adys |
| 22:03.35 | A-KO | can't say I was too happy with the Angels take Manhattan |
| 22:03.44 | A-KO | sad episode though |
| 22:03.59 | Adys | Alram: "This uniformity was especially notable when discussing the implications of in-body RFID tagging. In general, implantable chipping in humans was described as “f***ing gross,” “repulsive,” “invasive,” “big brother watching you,” “something that Hitler would have done,” and “dehumanizing.”" |
| 22:04.01 | Dagmar | They grind that continuity in your face this time |
| 22:04.08 | Adys | Alram: "Paradoxically, though, most participants reported that it could be acceptable, and perhaps even positive, for someone else to have an RFID implant. These cases generally concerned vulnerable populations such as elderly people with dementia, children, or people with severe medical allergies, but never themselves. " |
| 22:04.10 | Dagmar | 'ja notice the name of the author on that book the little girl had? |
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| 22:04.16 | A-KO | Dagmar: True |
| 22:04.33 | A-KO | Dagmar: But I think that's a plot element more than anything |
| 22:04.35 | Alram | sounds like Fisker, Adys, |
| 22:04.43 | Dagmar | Well, that was continuity |
| 22:04.47 | Alram | its moffat |
| 22:04.48 | Alram | one never knows |
| 22:04.51 | Alram | i mean |
| 22:04.57 | Alram | the lights still flicker like a motherfucker every episode |
| 22:05.01 | Dagmar | Just showin ya that Amy really was chucked into the distant past, lived and died there. |
| 22:05.03 | Alram | we still dont know waht the hell that is about |
| 22:05.13 | Adys | I couldn't watch DW |
| 22:05.15 | Adys | I tried |
| 22:05.15 | A-KO | People on reddit have been picking apart this episode down to the finest detail, smirk, smile, line, and prop |
| 22:05.28 | Alram | atleast you tried Adys |
| 22:05.32 | A-KO | I will admit though, Jenna-Louise Coleman is a VERY attractive woman. |
| 22:05.33 | A-KO | mmmmmmmm |
| 22:05.45 | Adys | I lived through thw bullshit html garbage that was on screen |
| 22:05.52 | Adys | but when the guy said "You turn on your wifi" |
| 22:05.54 | Adys | I shut it down |
| 22:05.59 | Alram | it was a good episode generally |
| 22:06.03 | Alram | i just ignored the tech stuff |
| 22:06.11 | A-KO | yeah |
| 22:06.13 | A-KO | I had to |
| 22:06.16 | Adys | Yeah I'm past doing that with DW |
| 22:06.16 | A-KO | I just let it go.... |
| 22:06.22 | Alram | the part at the end with the woman hit pretty hard though |
| 22:06.32 | Alram | i gave up on tv doing tech long ago |
| 22:06.36 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:06.36 | Alram | i like when its done properly |
| 22:06.43 | Alram | but its often a disappointment |
| 22:06.54 | Adys | see i can forgive CSI's bullshit, because it's a bad show generally |
| 22:06.59 | A-KO | I dunno, the end of Angels take Manhattan definitely nearly had me in tears....that was such a heartwrenching ending, despite the fact I think the rest of the episode sucked. |
| 22:07.03 | Adys | but every time DW does "tech" |
| 22:07.09 | Adys | uuuuurgh. |
| 22:07.25 | Adys | I feel like I'm watching a kids show |
| 22:07.35 | Adys | and by kids I mean 6-11 |
| 22:07.38 | Alram | well |
| 22:07.49 | Alram | the sarah jane adventure watchers had to go somewhere Adys |
| 22:07.59 | Adys | SJA wasn't half that bad |
| 22:08.07 | Adys | BECAUSE it was a kids show |
| 22:08.13 | Adys | it had like one hundredth of the budget |
| 22:08.24 | Adys | very casual, very kids-oriented |
| 22:08.31 | Adys | so again, you can forgive the talking computer there |
| 22:09.00 | Adys | besides Ive lost all my respect for moffat+smith |
| 22:09.16 | A-KO | really? |
| 22:09.18 | A-KO | why? |
| 22:09.27 | A-KO | You do know the rumor is that they're out after this season, right? |
| 22:09.36 | Adys | good |
| 22:09.42 | Alram | davies wont come back |
| 22:09.50 | Adys | davies doesnt have to come back |
| 22:09.53 | Alram | whats his name should do more stuff |
| 22:09.55 | Adys | but doctor who has become for writers what wow has become for casual players |
| 22:09.55 | Alram | gay man |
| 22:10.00 | Adys | a stupid theme park |
| 22:10.27 | Adys | pick your crazy legend, write crazy shit, hire crazy actors |
| 22:10.28 | A-KO | Adys: I think they ping pong a bit. Every year it's "Doctor Who is too serious", then it's "too light-hearted", etc. |
| 22:10.42 | Adys | thats the problem A-KO |
| 22:10.51 | A-KO | that's people whining though |
| 22:11.00 | A-KO | a lot of people did NOT like the early Pond stuff.... |
| 22:11.02 | A-KO | I rather enjoyed it |
| 22:11.08 | Alram | same |
| 22:11.10 | A-KO | but all the whiners made the show go full retard |
| 22:11.12 | Adys | the problem isnt that they do one or the other |
| 22:11.15 | Adys | it's that they do BOTH |
| 22:11.29 | Adys | you cant please viewers by just doing everything |
| 22:11.31 | Adys | not in a series |
| 22:11.41 | Adys | you pick a theme, you stick to it |
| 22:11.50 | Adys | ok, in doctor who, you can afford changing theme every doctor |
| 22:11.53 | Adys | but not every other episode |
| 22:11.54 | A-KO | I agree. I would prefer more darker overtones, longer story archs, etc. |
| 22:12.03 | A-KO | I'd prefer season-long stories |
| 22:12.17 | Adys | I wouldnt mind it being light-hearted (I would prefer it being more eccleston-like, but thats me) |
| 22:12.23 | Adys | as long as it STICKS to the style |
| 22:12.43 | Adys | this plagues every series that becomes long-running and popular enough |
| 22:12.45 | A-KO | meh, I really could not get into Eccleston :( I much, much preferred Tenant. He's what got me hooked on the show. |
| 22:12.48 | Adys | eventually it's just a gueststar trap |
| 22:12.50 | A-KO | His acting is impeccable |
| 22:13.17 | A-KO | Smith took a while to grow on me |
| 22:13.36 | Adys | A-KO: Eccleston grew on me over time; Tennant was who got me hooked and who i liked most at first |
| 22:13.58 | A-KO | I've watched the Eccleston stuff 3 times...I still can't get into it. I think some of the episodes were decent... |
| 22:13.58 | Adys | but the ONLY episodes I actually feel like rewatching are season 1 |
| 22:14.15 | Adys | with tennant i skip every other episode |
| 22:14.19 | Adys | well |
| 22:14.21 | Adys | not s2 |
| 22:14.29 | A-KO | It's a shame that Tenant wasn't filmed in HD :( |
| 22:14.30 | Adys | s3 is where it started to become a gueststar trap |
| 22:15.15 | Adys | and don't get me wrong, my favourite eps are all tennant's |
| 22:15.23 | Adys | but S1 felt like a real season |
| 22:15.32 | Adys | stick to a theme, like i said ... |
| 22:15.53 | A-KO | It'll be interesting to see what they do post Smith |
| 22:16.07 | A-KO | I think Smith has brought a lot to the character |
| 22:16.25 | Adys | yeah, I dont mind smith as the doctor, he's a character |
| 22:16.32 | A-KO | He brought a really good personality |
| 22:16.34 | Adys | just the.. what they do with the whole thing |
| 22:16.37 | A-KO | yeah |
| 22:16.38 | A-KO | exactly |
| 22:16.44 | A-KO | I agree there. The writing is just terrible sometimes |
| 22:16.53 | Adys | and not giving a shit about it sometimes |
| 22:16.55 | A-KO | first half of 7 and 2nd half of 6 really sucked |
| 22:16.59 | Adys | Hey, here's Rory, let's kill him three times |
| 22:17.16 | Alram | i laughed at moffat making fun of "Doctor Who?!" |
| 22:17.19 | Alram | or well |
| 22:17.24 | Alram | making fun of us making fun of him for that |
| 22:17.43 | Adys | the show's like 40 years old |
| 22:17.46 | A-KO | that said. Moffat is a huge Whovian.... |
| 22:17.47 | A-KO | 50 |
| 22:17.49 | Adys | if that joke's not been overplayed by now ... |
| 22:18.31 | A-KO | I really do think Moffat has brought a lot to the series.....The Weeping Angels has been a rather large contribution to the series, which has brought many countless of other fans into it. They are massively marketed. |
| 22:19.05 | Adys | the angels episodes were good, the river storyline was good too |
| 22:19.23 | Adys | the problem is that makes up a handful of episodes over two huge seasons |
| 22:19.35 | A-KO | yeah |
| 22:19.45 | A-KO | I'm hoping they keep it together for this season |
| 22:20.46 | Adys | we'll see |
| 22:21.17 | Adys | i need my fix of quality series |
| 22:21.22 | A-KO | agreed |
| 22:21.24 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Breaking_Bad_episodes#Season_5_.282012.E2.80.9313.29 |
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| 22:21.57 | Adys | Dexter's final season this summer too |
| 22:22.29 | Arrowmaster | the latest episode just seemed like a 'lets make a bizarro plot of shit nobody understands because we can' episode |
| 22:22.41 | Adys | s/episode/season/ |
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| 22:22.55 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: BLIZZCON PAAAARTTTYYYYYYY |
| 22:23.02 | A-KO | I got one of those suites again |
| 22:23.02 | A-KO | :D |
| 22:23.04 | Adys | "dinosaurs on a spaceship!" |
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| 22:23.13 | Adys | urgh |
| 22:23.20 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: have the sale dates been announced yet? |
| 22:23.23 | A-KO | Adys: Admittedly, that episode was terrible, but Smith's acting at that moment was hilarious... |
| 22:23.27 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: nah, not yet. |
| 22:23.43 | Arrowmaster | i liked that episode |
| 22:23.48 | Adys | A-KO: its not even that, without thinking about the episodes at all that make me cringe |
| 22:23.51 | Adys | its the basis for all of it |
| 22:23.52 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:24.08 | A-KO | Supposedly a local bar not too far from me has Doctor Who nights |
| 22:24.18 | Adys | DW has become massively popular for doing "crazy stuff" |
| 22:24.20 | A-KO | but it's a freaking Wednesday... |
| 22:24.46 | A-KO | oh :( |
| 22:24.46 | A-KO | nm :( |
| 22:24.46 | A-KO | it's gone :( |
| 22:24.46 | A-KO | fail |
| 22:24.58 | Adys | and its become an excuse to just write bullshit into every episode |
| 22:25.04 | Adys | just because it sounds silly and what not |
| 22:26.05 | Adys | its really sad because they have some extremely high quality elements for a good series |
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| 22:26.33 | Adys | excellent actors, writers, fx teams, high budget and some solid background |
| 22:26.54 | Adys | i better stop thinking about this ... |
| 22:27.52 | Arrowmaster | go watch the latest GoT |
| 22:28.21 | Adys | i havent started got yet |
| 22:29.30 | Adys | "The disembodied voice of the GPS, to them, is an authority rather than simply a tool." |
| 22:29.31 | Adys | heh |
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| 22:32.41 | Adys | hahaha |
| 22:32.49 | Adys | UX goldmine |
| 22:32.51 | Adys | About a dozen years ago I worked with a developer who built "smart house" applications. He was describing his home and how the house knew when he walked into a room and activated the lights. When he got into to bed, the lights in the room automatically went off. I asked him: "so, what do you do if you want to read in bed?" His reply was a quizzical look, and "?? The bed is for sleeping." He didn't understand how broken this mentality was. |
| 22:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't get it |
| 22:35.52 | Adys | that's because you don't know how to read sweetie |
| 22:36.29 | zenzelezz | I was using linode to test a file upload problem by uploading a large file. The file appears to have been transferred correctly, but looking in the console I see that the links (browser) process was killed. Anyone know if this is something linode could do if it felt my node was using too much resources, or if it's more likely to be just something about the way I configured it? |
| 22:36.59 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 22:37.03 | Mr_Rabies | i can't, apparently |
| 22:37.25 | Mr_Rabies | i misread this part of the text like 5 times in a row "so, what do you do if you want to read in bed?" |
| 22:37.45 | Mr_Rabies | as "so, what do you want to read in bed?" |
| 22:37.52 | Adys | zenzelezz: are you uploading or downloading on your linode? |
| 22:38.08 | zenzelezz | outbound from the linode |
| 22:38.26 | Adys | zenzelezz: which http server? |
| 22:38.42 | zenzelezz | Apache on the receiving end |
| 22:38.58 | Adys | ok hold on |
| 22:39.06 | Adys | you're uploading *from* linode *with* links *to* apache? |
| 22:39.12 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 22:39.25 | Adys | how large is large? |
| 22:39.30 | zenzelezz | ~52 MB |
| 22:39.42 | Adys | that really doesnt sound like anything it'd be killed over |
| 22:39.49 | zenzelezz | I'm tempted to think it was just a fluke |
| 22:39.55 | Adys | to answer your question, yes, it *could* get killed for something like that |
| 22:39.57 | Adys | but 52mb.. |
| 22:40.14 | zenzelezz | or more likely something I misconfigured (as I do tend to tweak slackware... often not optimallty) |
| 22:40.17 | zenzelezz | nor optimally |
| 22:40.27 | zenzelezz | cheers though |
| 22:43.38 | Adys | zenzelezz: its likely server config |
| 22:43.48 | Adys | most http servers have like 10mb max upload size by default |
| 22:44.23 | zenzelezz | nah, that's the thing... customers are reporting "ZOMG CAN'T UPLOAD", but no matter if I try from home, work, England (linode), US (friends), it always works, even for those large files |
| 22:44.47 | zenzelezz | it'll be my slackware config, or links config or something like that |
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| 23:50.41 | zenzelezz | *sigh* |
| 23:51.21 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying april fools was particularly clever before the Internet, but the Internet sure as hell killed it off for sure |
| 23:51.32 | Kaylin | *nods* |
| 23:54.07 | cogwheel | yeah slashdot's RSS feed is pissing me off right now |
| 23:56.08 | zenzelezz | I successfully avoided all the normal media sites today, but I made the mistake of reading through my twitter stream :-| |
