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| 00:07.17 | zenzelezz | for some definition of "neat" |
| 00:23.35 | smcn | Mr_Rabies are you horde and do you still need champions of the thunder king? |
| 00:24.55 | Mr_Rabies | i am alliance and i do infact :p |
| 00:25.08 | smcn | :( |
| 00:27.16 | Mr_Rabies | i've been spending time looking into quest tracker addons instead of idling in isle of thunder |
| 00:27.22 | smcn | lol |
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| 00:30.35 | smcn | only 35 people in /who :/ |
| 00:53.31 | znf | Mr_Rabies, what are you looking for? |
| 00:53.44 | Mr_Rabies | eh, just looking what's out there |
| 00:54.08 | znf | I simply use SmoothQuest and move it with SexyMap |
| 00:54.23 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly just wanted to hide the WatchFrameHeader, which i've now done, because all the replacements i used were pretty much terrible |
| 00:55.18 | Mr_Rabies | looks like smoothquest is at least 2 years abandoned D: |
| 00:56.31 | znf | still works |
| 00:57.08 | Mr_Rabies | i thought my usage of candy stripe health was a bit insane |
| 00:57.33 | Mr_Rabies | i usually seek for alternatives if an addon's more than a patch behind on updates |
| 00:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | but there's no real alternative to candy stripe health http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/candystripehealth |
| 00:58.15 | znf | that looks ugly to me :P |
| 00:58.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's awesome in motion |
| 00:58.38 | znf | And if you use the default user frames, you should be shot |
| 00:58.48 | Mr_Rabies | i do, because i can't find anything better |
| 00:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | almost everything else is cluttered, provides less info, and/or is huge |
| 00:59.18 | znf | blinks |
| 00:59.50 | znf | you do know you can configure, SuF for example, them to show you *what you need*, right? |
| 00:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 01:00.07 | Mr_Rabies | but it always takes up more space than the default when it has everything i need |
| 01:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | and honestly, doesn't really provide anything else |
| 01:00.25 | znf | you do know that you can make your own oUF layout, right? |
| 01:00.39 | Mr_Rabies | i've tried oUF, sUF, pitbull, etc |
| 01:00.48 | Mr_Rabies | none of them are better than the default unit frames to me |
| 01:05.24 | znf | what the f* is going on here http://s.cdn.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw54517.jpg |
| 01:06.12 | Mr_Rabies | that's obviously TrampStampUI, for exclusive use on Moon Guard |
| 01:08.08 | Sharparam | <Mr_Rabies> almost everything else is cluttered, provides less info, and/or is huge |
| 01:08.13 | Sharparam | "provides less info" |
| 01:08.14 | Sharparam | ?????? |
| 01:08.49 | Mr_Rabies | there are several i tried that lacked many options available in the default ui |
| 01:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | like mouseover text, etc |
| 01:09.12 | Sharparam | can't be too complicated to add mouseover text i think |
| 01:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | i've yet to find one that does what i want better than the default unitframes |
| 01:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | most of them display just about the same information in a 30% larger frame |
| 01:10.02 | znf | mouseover text? |
| 01:10.05 | znf | the fuck you need that for? |
| 01:10.07 | Sharparam | how does mouseover text "provide more info" though |
| 01:10.18 | Sharparam | it provides the same info, just on mouseover instead of all the time |
| 01:10.20 | Mr_Rabies | because, many are 100% on or 100% off text |
| 01:10.42 | znf | and you mouseover in combat to "provide info"? |
| 01:10.46 | Mr_Rabies | constantly |
| 01:11.01 | znf | that's wrong on so many levels |
| 01:11.03 | Sharparam | ಠ_ಠ |
| 01:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, there's only one way to play the game |
| 01:12.12 | Mr_Rabies | i prefer the bars visible most of the time, but around 25% i'm checking the percentage |
| 01:12.21 | Mr_Rabies | and at other points i'm checking percentage |
| 01:12.29 | Mr_Rabies | for phase transitions, etc |
| 01:12.39 | kd3 | the default ui (and many mods at this point) provide the "absolute and percentage" option |
| 01:12.48 | kd3 | 500/100 (50%) |
| 01:13.11 | Mr_Rabies | yup, but many are one or the other, or are on or off all the time |
| 01:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | not available on mouseover |
| 01:13.23 | Mr_Rabies | unless you want to spend hours configuring pitbull or something |
| 01:13.24 | Sharparam | 500 out of 100 equals 50%? :o |
| 01:13.27 | Mr_Rabies | which, i'm not gonna bother again |
| 01:13.34 | kd3 | I missed a 0... whee |
| 01:13.37 | Sharparam | :D |
| 01:14.10 | Sharparam | Mr_Rabies: it takes a few minutes tops in pitbull to enable % + abs |
| 01:14.14 | Mr_Rabies | sure |
| 01:14.22 | Mr_Rabies | it takes a few hours to get it 100% how i like it |
| 01:14.26 | Mr_Rabies | or |
| 01:14.38 | Sharparam | but at least you *can* get it to exactly how you like it |
| 01:14.39 | Mr_Rabies | i could use the default ui, which does everything i want (except candy stripe health) |
| 01:14.45 | Sharparam | unlike default UI where all you can do is move them around |
| 01:14.51 | smcn | it was indeed worth every ritual stone |
| 01:15.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have to worry about unitfames breaking every patch, dealing with slow addon developers, etc |
| 01:15.34 | Mr_Rabies | i've got zero reason to use anything other than the default |
| 01:15.59 | Mr_Rabies | i had CSH and a percentage mod installed until 5.2, and removed the percentage one due to it being baseline in 5.2 |
| 01:16.04 | Sharparam | are you also using windows XP with internet explorer 6.0? :P |
| 01:16.24 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of them are absolutely cluttered to hell when it comes to buffs and debuffs too |
| 01:17.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think the default ui handles them more elegantly than any addons that handle them differently |
| 01:17.32 | znf | Mr_Rabies, stop being bad. Seriously. |
| 01:17.39 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
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| 01:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | what, pray tell, does your fancy ui provide that the default doesn't? |
| 01:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | your unitframe ui, that is |
| 01:18.33 | znf | for once, I don't have to mouse-over.. |
| 01:18.42 | Mr_Rabies | that's an option in the default ui |
| 01:18.46 | Mr_Rabies | i prefer mouseover |
| 01:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | because otherwise, why even have a bar |
| 01:19.04 | znf | that's the most retarded thing I heard this month |
| 01:19.08 | Mr_Rabies | if it's 90% covered in text |
| 01:19.24 | znf | you probably have your UFs in the top-left corner and you click |
| 01:19.25 | znf | :-| |
| 01:19.27 | Mr_Rabies | congratulations you've completely invalidated your argument |
| 01:19.42 | Sharparam | <Mr_Rabies> if it's 90% covered in text |
| 01:19.43 | Sharparam | what |
| 01:20.02 | Sharparam | i have two text objects in the left and right area, displaying absolute and percentage |
| 01:20.07 | Sharparam | in no way does that clutter the bar |
| 01:20.23 | Mr_Rabies | let me see how yours looks, then |
| 01:20.29 | Sharparam | i'm not in-game |
| 01:20.32 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/Bi7FRv2.png sorry, 90% covered in text...?! |
| 01:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | oh god |
| 01:21.13 | Mr_Rabies | that takes up so much space and provides...pretty much no new info |
| 01:21.39 | Sharparam | yes. it's taking up an entire 400 pixels width and 150 pixels height, it's huge |
| 01:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | of course it's not 90 covered in text when it's 3x the default unit frame's UI |
| 01:21.50 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 01:21.53 | Mr_Rabies | of course it's not 90 covered in text when it's 3x the default unit frame's size* |
| 01:21.54 | znf | mkay, because unit type (humanoid), cast timer, hp% and curr-hp/total-hp, and TTD is "no new info" |
| 01:22.20 | Mr_Rabies | do you prefer unit type in your unit frame? |
| 01:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | that's weird D: |
| 01:22.32 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a waste of space |
| 01:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | TTD as well |
| 01:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | time to death is when i kill the damned thing |
| 01:23.05 | znf | how is that weird? it's vital to know what CC you can apply to that unit... |
| 01:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, that's what the mouseover tooltip's for |
| 01:23.28 | Mr_Rabies | you don't need to know it the whole time you've got it selected |
| 01:23.29 | znf | TTD is vital to know if you're gonna hit the enrage timer or not on a boss, for example |
| 01:23.57 | Mr_Rabies | you should probably act like you can hit it and see what happens, and not give up because the calculation says you can't |
| 01:24.18 | Mr_Rabies | since damage input tends to rise at 25% and other ranges |
| 01:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | plus last minute cd popping, potions, etc |
| 01:24.40 | znf | if the calculation says it's gonna die in 1minute and the berserk timer is 10s, trust me, you're gonna hit the berserk... |
| 01:24.46 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah |
| 01:24.49 | Mr_Rabies | but you'll know in 10 seconds |
| 01:25.11 | znf | But yeah, now I know why you said you were still stuck on normals on previous tier :D |
| 01:25.22 | Mr_Rabies | yeah let me tell you |
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| 01:25.34 | Mr_Rabies | not having a fucking unit frame time to death is why we're having problems with progress |
| 01:25.43 | Mr_Rabies | and not 3 fucking raid members losing parents this tier or anything |
| 01:25.56 | znf | no, it's the "I will mouse-over the unit-frame to figure out stuff like percentage" mentality :) |
| 01:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know about you but my mouse weighs about two ounces and i have no trouble moving it |
| 01:27.58 | znf | also, my unit frame is 230x80 pixels, if that's your definition of huge... |
| 01:28.24 | Mr_Rabies | around what percentage of your screen is that? |
| 01:29.02 | znf | I play on 1800x900 |
| 01:29.16 | znf | windowed, on a 1920x1080 27" display |
| 01:30.30 | Mr_Rabies | mine's about 200x90, including the portrait frame, on 1680x1050 |
| 01:30.40 | znf | 18400/2073600, I think that's less than 1% of my screen? |
| 01:31.17 | Mr_Rabies | the portrait is mostly just there for aesthetics for me, but i'd use it on any third-party unit frame addon as well |
| 01:31.36 | znf | So let me get this straight. |
| 01:31.59 | znf | You complain about user frames taking too much space, but you would use a portrait if you would use 3rd party UFs, too |
| 01:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i would, they're part of the unit frame, to me |
| 01:33.04 | Xuerian | The most accurate unitframe would be one that showed your character's ass |
| 01:33.06 | Mr_Rabies | i do like the animated 3d unit frames in stuff like pitbull, but honestly, the default does everything i want |
| 01:33.27 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian++ |
| 01:34.45 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 01:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | shouldn't it be your character's crotch? |
| 01:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | "unit" frame? |
| 01:35.36 | Xuerian | chuckles. |
| 01:35.59 | Mr_Rabies | someone needs to make that |
| 01:36.02 | Xuerian | Why not just do what I do, and put a health bar beneath your character on the screen? Spin your ship and there you go |
| 01:37.46 | Mr_Rabies | i pretty much use the default placement of unitframes, except the raid frames are adjusted a bit for resolution/preference |
| 01:38.05 | znf | blinks again |
| 01:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | 13 characters per column, i think |
| 01:39.44 | Mr_Rabies | i've got no problems moving between hotspots on the screen in combat, i've got pretty damned good raid awareness in general |
| 01:42.49 | znf | Anyone can have "good raid awareness". The trick is to have that and perform at your best... |
| 01:43.25 | Mr_Rabies | i do, i don't think a TTD count would help me perform better |
| 01:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | my goal will be to push as much dps as possible, even between berserk activating and us wiping |
| 01:44.19 | Mr_Rabies | (and avoid crap on the ground, brez instantly, help spot heal, etc) |
| 01:44.46 | Mr_Rabies | help our raid leader call out major events at times when he's really busy with mechanics himself for fights, etc |
| 01:45.36 | Mr_Rabies | knowing that the council in ToT are all humanoid isn't really gonna help with that |
| 01:45.51 | Mr_Rabies | and actively competes on screen space with other stuff |
| 01:49.48 | znf | ever heard of this thing our brain does, like, reading only the information required, selectively? |
| 01:51.53 | Mr_Rabies | sure, but there are only so many pixels, i'd rather have a portrait window than a TTD or unit type visible in my unit frame |
| 01:52.07 | Mr_Rabies | those are 100% useful, at least a portrait window looks pretty |
| 01:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 01:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | those are 100% useless*, at least a portrait window looks pretty |
| 01:52.17 | znf | how the fuck is a portrait window useful? |
| 01:52.31 | znf | geez, why the fuck am I even having this discussion |
| 01:53.32 | Mr_Rabies | because you're somehow thinking your unit frames make you an eleet raider who can talk down to people who are less progressed |
| 01:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | and that your playstyle is the only one |
| 01:55.07 | Mr_Rabies | my argument is that your ui simply looks better to you than the default, but somehow you think there's a gameplay advantage there |
| 01:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | which makes you well within the realm of berating someone who simply has different preferences and coincidentally isn't as progressed as you |
| 01:55.46 | Mr_Rabies | in your own head |
| 01:57.15 | znf | Mr_Rabies, no, you got it wrong - I'm simply telling you that "puting your mouse over" to get information about your target in combat is ineffective even if you had 10 hands and 5 mouse cursors. But whatever. End of discussion. |
| 01:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | my mouse goes all over the place in combat, hitting another unit frame every now and then is no big deal whatsoever |
| 01:58.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm spot healing constantly |
| 02:38.12 | p3lim | Yay, finally got an account to do LFR and test if this works or not |
| 03:17.06 | Eridius | thinking of levelling another toon (from 85 to 90). Is Warrior or Paladin more fun for tanking in MoP? |
| 03:17.33 | smcn | paladin is pretty fun but i only do lfr |
| 03:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | probably pally, pallies and dks have some pretty interesting advantages over the rage tanks in that they start with a full meter |
| 03:18.28 | Mr_Rabies | and i guess monks, i dunno |
| 03:18.32 | Eridius | my main is a monk |
| 03:18.56 | smcn | paladin (mostly) tanks with insight so doesn't even worry about resources |
| 03:19.24 | Eridius | ok I guess I'll do my paladin. Thanks |
| 03:19.29 | Mr_Rabies | it's all about your playstyle in total, though |
| 03:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | i don't much like druid tanking, i just do it for the instaqueue for vp |
| 03:20.08 | Eridius | I like variety. Which makes it amusing that both my 90s are female pandaren monks |
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| 04:59.35 | Stanzilla | Eridius: paladin is super cool |
| 04:59.45 | Stanzilla | uses haste as defensive stat |
| 05:06.32 | znf | 400 unique pets |
| 05:06.47 | znf | enough pet battles for this week! |
| 05:12.48 | Kaylin | http://imgur.com/gallery/7dUrwEA |
| 05:13.53 | Eridius | Stanzilla: yeah, sadly all the plate that dropped in the dungeons I ran had crit :( |
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| 08:52.49 | Mr_Rabies | your cat is carl sagan |
| 08:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | in his final moments he used a secret yoga method to transport his conciousness into that of a normal housecat |
| 08:55.08 | zenzelezz | that would explain some other behavioural treats |
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| 09:48.31 | karl_w_w | well my cat liked young girls |
| 09:48.38 | karl_w_w | does that mean he was jimmy savile? |
| 09:52.04 | Adys | i have a nginx rule: if ($http_x_forwarded_port != 443) { rewrite ^ https://$http_host/; } |
| 09:52.20 | Adys | how do i not apply it to a specific loc, such as /api/ ? |
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| 09:58.44 | Adys | ah, figured it out |
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| 10:49.22 | Adys | google, wtf are you doing :/ |
| 10:49.25 | Adys | https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.9/jquery.min.js |
| 10:49.30 | Adys | https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.9.0/jquery.min.js |
| 10:49.33 | Adys | https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.9.1/jquery.min.js |
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| 12:11.08 | Adys | karl_w_w: first url is 404 |
| 12:11.12 | Adys | its not supposed to be |
| 12:11.23 | Adys | cf https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.8/jquery.min.js, https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1/jquery.min.js |
| 12:11.28 | karl_w_w | ah yes, this is problem |
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| 16:37.31 | Simca | well I guess that is true |
| 16:37.37 | Simca | since the average is probably like 1.99999 |
| 16:37.45 | kd3 | ayup |
| 16:37.45 | nevcairiel | we need more 3-armed people |
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| 16:43.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7fy4BM4fmU this totally freaks me out |
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| 17:04.15 | Ackis | ahahahahha http://i.imgur.com/3p33w0z.jpg |
| 17:04.23 | Ackis | "A couple of cock suckers" SFW |
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| 17:21.59 | karl_m_m | Well isn't this marvellous? |
| 17:22.18 | Shirik | why is openoffice a POS |
| 17:22.30 | karl_m_m | Because it's free |
| 17:22.42 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 17:23.11 | kd3 | why aren't you using libreoffice instead? |
| 17:23.35 | karl_m_m | Isn't that free as well? |
| 17:23.49 | Adys | tbh it's also quite a bit of a POS |
| 17:23.51 | kd3 | yes, but libre's being actively developed |
| 17:24.04 | Adys | but the correct answer is "because it's in java"! |
| 17:24.23 | karl_m_m | So is OpenOffice |
| 17:24.40 | Adys | I'm talking about open office. |
| 17:24.55 | karl_m_m | Ah |
| 17:28.08 | karl_m_m | Libreoffice website just crashed chrome on my nexus 4 |
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| 17:28.25 | karl_m_m | Is that a good enough reason? |
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| 17:55.42 | smcn | i wish i could vendor things from mobile armory |
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| 18:20.33 | Adys | https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/9321 |
| 18:20.36 | Adys | extremely infuriating |
| 18:20.50 | Adys | i thought django got rid of most of the stupid crap rotting at its core and then i find this |
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| 18:26.59 | Adys | https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/14402 |
| 18:27.01 | Adys | oh my god |
| 18:29.57 | Stanzilla | Adys: want me to hold you? |
| 18:30.03 | Adys | please yes |
| 18:30.12 | Adys | this really makes me want to cry |
| 18:30.18 | Stanzilla | holds Adys |
| 18:30.34 | Thunder_Child | I kinda want to see him cry |
| 18:30.40 | Fisker | hold Adys too |
| 18:30.41 | Adys | Fuck you. |
| 18:30.45 | Adys | :( |
| 18:30.46 | Thunder_Child | programmer tears sell for quite a bit |
| 18:31.08 | Fisker | buttbuddies? |
| 18:31.09 | Stanzilla | supply/demand says no, Thunder_Child |
| 18:31.09 | Adys | you're confusing those with iridescent tears |
| 18:31.15 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/VPqgTJa.png |
| 18:31.16 | Adys | EHEHEHEHE |
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| 18:31.29 | Stanzilla | scary how quick he had that screenshot handy |
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| 18:35.12 | VIad | can someone download http://myfiles.my1.ru/wa/wk/windowmode.rar for me and upload it to http://vlacula.no-ip.com/u/ for me? :( |
| 18:36.30 | Adys | Vlad: you've no idea how many spam regexes this first url triggers |
| 18:36.41 | VIad | :P |
| 18:36.59 | VIad | the ru one? :P |
| 18:37.12 | Adys | no, the one that doesn't look like a virus |
| 18:37.14 | Adys | YES THE RU ONE. |
| 18:37.19 | VIad | yeah :P |
| 18:37.27 | VIad | but it should be fine because it's from http://worms2d.info/Getting_W:A_to_work_on_Windows_8#Method_2 |
| 18:37.28 | Alram | so racist agains .ru domains |
| 18:37.53 | Stanzilla | same as .nl |
| 18:38.04 | Alram | and .de |
| 18:38.05 | VIad | but I too dislike russians and chinese |
| 18:38.11 | VIad | often they run bots scanning my server |
| 18:38.13 | Adys | It's called technoxenophobia Alram |
| 18:38.14 | VIad | trying to hack it |
| 18:38.29 | Alram | that sounds like you are afraid of all technology Adys |
| 18:38.43 | Adys | that's just technophobia |
| 18:38.58 | Adys | not to be confused with xenotechnophobia, the fear of alien technology |
| 18:39.30 | Thunder_Child | You mean the thing that 90% of older people have? |
| 18:39.51 | Adys | that's mammophobia |
| 18:40.16 | Adys | (I seriously hope no one got that) |
| 18:40.38 | Stanzilla | fear of mammoths? |
| 18:41.00 | Maldivia | fear of boobs |
| 18:41.02 | VIad | Adys: is the file offline for you too? |
| 18:41.14 | Adys | I dont click viruses |
| 18:41.17 | VIad | :/ |
| 18:41.23 | VIad | you don't have to extract it |
| 18:41.27 | VIad | just download and upload to my page |
| 18:41.29 | VIad | then delete it |
| 18:41.40 | VIad | use your sandbox OS or something :P if that afraid |
| 18:42.10 | Adys | who says that rar isn't exploiting a flaw in chrome's recently unveiled download api, which will run a malicious script as soon as i click the link? |
| 18:42.39 | Adys | I am using the scarily dangerous %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 18:42.59 | VIad | isn't chrome sandboxed? |
| 18:43.23 | Adys | A flaw's a flaw! |
| 18:43.45 | VIad | anyone else wanna help me then? :P |
| 18:44.00 | VIad | full room of people, someone ought to have some virtual machine they wish to perhaps sacrifice :P |
| 18:44.02 | Adys | I'm going to stop speaking to you now, lest you hack me with your maliciously-crafted english-over-irc |
| 18:44.21 | VIad | :P |
| 18:49.14 | zenzelezz | anyone know if there's a way to see your ping/latency in SC2? |
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| 19:14.15 | Shirik | someone please explain to me how Office 365 is "Compatible only with Windows 7, Windows 8, and Mac OS X 10.6 or later" |
| 19:14.47 | nevcairiel | requires some native plugin, possibly? |
| 19:15.07 | nevcairiel | most of the time that line just means "we won't support you if you use something else" |
| 19:17.51 | Thunder_Child | ^ |
| 19:20.26 | Shirik | http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiatry/GeneralPsychiatry/38164 |
| 19:20.40 | Adys | https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17830 |
| 19:20.40 | Adys | T_T |
| 19:24.44 | Shirik | yet another reason |
| 19:24.46 | Shirik | JS is a POS |
| 19:25.13 | Shirik | instead of "I thought it was supposed to work this way" it should be "HEY LOOK THIS STANDARD SAYS YOU'RE WRONG" |
| 19:25.26 | nevcairiel | for all the dislike i have for JS, this is hardly something you can pin on the language |
| 19:25.55 | Shirik | it seems like they are uncertain what it's supposed to do |
| 19:26.01 | Shirik | if it is ambiguous, it is certainly the language's fault |
| 19:26.05 | A-KO | that's why standards exist... |
| 19:26.19 | nevcairiel | its not a language feature |
| 19:26.29 | Shirik | eh? |
| 19:26.58 | nevcairiel | What makes you think interacting with HTML and CSS is a language feature of JS? |
| 19:27.08 | nevcairiel | Its just things the browser implements with a JS API |
| 19:27.37 | Eridius | nevcairiel is right. innerText is not a language feature of JS. And if the bug is to be believed, it's not even part of any DOM standard |
| 19:27.45 | Eridius | it's a function IE defined and other browsers copied |
| 19:27.52 | Shirik | ok fine |
| 19:28.30 | nevcairiel | its like saying because WoW implements ambigous and confusing APIs, Lua is bad |
| 19:28.35 | Shirik | so the real problem is that there's no standard library |
| 19:28.39 | Shirik | I mean there is |
| 19:28.44 | Shirik | but there's a standard extension |
| 19:28.50 | Shirik | and it's undocumented |
| 19:28.51 | Eridius | there actually are specs for the DOM |
| 19:28.55 | Eridius | innerText just isn't part of it |
| 19:29.26 | Shirik | I think this is just another reason why I should never go into web development |
| 19:29.30 | Shirik | I'm not enough of a sadist |
| 19:29.37 | Shirik | er |
| 19:29.38 | Shirik | massochist |
| 19:29.39 | Shirik | that one |
| 19:30.56 | nevcairiel | its getting better now that IE6 is dying out completely |
| 19:37.27 | g0urra | ... |
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| 19:39.04 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 19:40.59 | Fisker | thanks |
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| 19:45.40 | Shirik | zenzelezz: April 1st challenge |
| 19:46.10 | nevcairiel | it didnt exactly specify where to leave your answer, so i just poted it in the public g+ stream, their loss that everyone can see it :p |
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| 19:47.46 | nevcairiel | now the more important question, how the hell do i make it stop sending me mails for every reply, just because i posted once in that stream <.< |
| 19:48.02 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:48.18 | nevcairiel | ah tehre is a mute post button |
| 19:50.23 | nevcairiel | and i cant help but wonder why noone else gets it |
| 19:50.28 | nevcairiel | at least on that stream |
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| 20:03.11 | zenzelezz | wait, it's 1st of April tomorrow? Time to avoid the media for 36 hours I guess |
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| 20:06.37 | Thunder_Child | Fuck the media, I don't want to go to work |
| 20:07.21 | zenzelezz | thankfully tomorrow is a public holiday here |
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| 20:24.08 | znf | Does anyone know if there's a way to figure out a the GUID of a pet battle? Like, I see a pet in the wild, I enter combat with it, and I want to know it's GUID when I am in combat. the C_Pet functions return pet battle functions/ids which don't really interest me at the moment. |
| 20:25.03 | znf | Basically I want to know if I was in combat with a certain pet already, as they don't despawn anymore after you abandon combat in 5.2 |
| 20:27.28 | smcn | i believe you keep your target when you enter the pet battle, if so you could use UnitGUID("target") |
| 20:28.11 | Adys | 20:26:58.918265: [www] lxc-execute: failed to spawn 'build_0d67e1f0-e8e4-4d3f-9b3f-7b7336f6f499' |
| 20:28.12 | Adys | File exists |
| 20:28.21 | znf | doesn't seem so - I get empty result on UnitGUID("target") |
| 20:28.23 | Adys | someone needs to seriously revise their guid creation function |
| 20:28.54 | znf | (when I'm in a pet battle) |
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| 20:39.55 | Adys | znf: you cant |
| 20:40.39 | Adys | Simca will confirm for you |
| 20:41.07 | Alram | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMzOTk |
| 20:41.11 | Alram | linux exclusive |
| 20:41.13 | Alram | dammit valve!!! |
| 20:41.48 | Adys | Alram: I turned off google reader for the next 36 hours |
| 20:42.13 | Adys | Wouldn't it be hilarious if when I got back I'd get a message about google reader being turned off for good two months later? |
| 20:43.21 | Alram | why Adys |
| 20:43.23 | Alram | i liked the joke |
| 20:43.24 | Alram | :( |
| 20:43.35 | Alram | its even funnier that phoronix said valve made the joke |
| 20:44.33 | Adys | is TWD S3 over yet? |
| 20:44.42 | Adys | I'm tempted to watch it but not until S3 has fully aire |
| 20:44.43 | Adys | d |
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| 21:22.15 | znf | Adys, so basically there's no way to figure out the GUID of the pet you're engaging? |
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| 21:22.51 | Adys | znf: you could check current target when the pet battle event fire |
| 21:23.33 | znf | Which would that be? PET_BATTLE_OPENING_START fires when the battle actually starts |
| 21:24.42 | Adys | ask Simca :P |
| 21:24.54 | znf | paging dr. Simca |
| 21:26.37 | znf | Ah. nevermind. |
| 21:26.59 | znf | the UnitGUID of the target is still present on PET_BATTLE_OPENING_START |
| 21:27.00 | znf | Nice. |
| 21:28.07 | Ackis | is galleon lootable cross-server like sha is? I know they stopped that before, but I'm wondering if they re-enabled it when he started spawning more |
| 21:28.43 | znf | now I need to learn the basics of creating a table :-S |
| 21:32.54 | durcyn | start with {} |
| 21:33.58 | znf | That much I figured! :) |
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| 21:41.18 | znf | Do I need to {} every child/parent if I want a structure like NAME.GUID.Slot... etc.? or should it be enough to do it on last "child"? |
| 21:42.07 | Iriel | You'd need every one |
| 21:42.19 | znf | damn it |
| 21:42.33 | Iriel | though crazy deep nested structures can have challenges |
| 21:42.36 | Iriel | so be sure you need them |
| 21:42.45 | Iriel | that said, it's easy to create a set of createBlah functions |
| 21:43.18 | znf | I want to store the rarity, name etc. of every pet that I battle, so I'm guessing I do need them somehow (can't see how else I could do it without) |
| 21:43.37 | Iriel | function createFoo() return { bar = createBar, baz = createBaz } end |
| 21:43.38 | Iriel | etc |
| 21:44.16 | znf | if I don't put the table variable name in the .toc, that table will be wiped every time, right? |
| 21:44.30 | Iriel | pet[guid] = { n = nameVar, r = rarityVar } |
| 21:44.40 | Iriel | if you dont set it to be a saved variable, yes |
| 21:45.10 | znf | mkay, let's see if I understood what you did there |
| 21:45.41 | Iriel | I'll note I messed my function example up |
| 21:45.50 | Iriel | there should be ()'s after createBar and createBaz. |
| 21:46.11 | Iriel | That shows how to create a table with a series of predefined keys |
| 21:46.22 | Iriel | (which is more efficient than creating an empty one and filling it in, if you know the keys ahead of time) |
| 21:47.58 | Shirik | you don't NEED to |
| 21:48.06 | znf | or I could store a pet links instead and then parse those? |
| 21:48.12 | znf | but I'm geting ahead of myself. |
| 21:48.44 | znf | btw, how can you simply highlight or change the game cursor? I'm looking at _Cursor, but that seems damn complicated |
| 21:49.29 | foxlit | you can't. |
| 21:49.35 | foxlit | not while interacting with the world. |
| 21:49.48 | Shirik | lua> local mt; mt = {__index = function(t,k) local new = setmetatable({}, mt); t[k] = new; return new; end}; local t = setmetatable({}, mt); t.foo.bar.baz = 1; print(t.foo.bar.baz); |
| 21:49.49 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1 |
| 21:49.53 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:50.05 | znf | So, can't I simply highlight or color the pet-interact cursor in any way? |
| 21:50.09 | foxlit | no. |
| 21:50.15 | znf | well, that sucks :( |
| 21:50.31 | Iriel | You can just follow it around with a textured frame |
| 21:50.33 | foxlit | The best you can do is to make a frame of your own trail the cursor, but that sucks |
| 21:51.03 | foxlit | especially at low framerates, since hardware cursor means there'll be several frames when your frame is out-of-position with respect to the cursor. |
| 21:51.53 | znf | So any tips how I could provide some feedback when someone mouse-overs a battle-pet? |
| 21:52.37 | foxlit | write something to the tooltip. |
| 21:52.48 | foxlit | play a sound. |
| 21:52.59 | znf | the tooltip was my last resort, but I guess that will do |
| 21:54.07 | Iriel | There is SetCursor |
| 21:54.22 | Iriel | not sure how quickly that takes effect, or when it gets reset |
| 21:54.38 | Iriel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetCursor |
| 21:54.42 | foxlit | SetCursor does absolutely nothing when you're hovering over the WorldFrame. |
| 21:54.52 | Iriel | I seem to recall it having some significant limitations |
| 21:54.59 | Iriel | foxlit: so it's level triggered not edge triggered? |
| 21:55.30 | foxlit | I'm not sure of the difference. |
| 21:55.36 | Shirik | "edge triggered" |
| 21:55.40 | Shirik | so strange to see that in software |
| 21:55.59 | Iriel | Level Triggered - cursor is set each frame to what is being pointed out |
| 21:56.07 | Shirik | oh I figured out what you meant |
| 21:56.08 | Iriel | Edge Triggered - Cursor is set when the thing being pointed at changes |
| 21:56.15 | Iriel | Shirik: I was explaining to foxlit 8-) |
| 21:56.16 | Shirik | just that to me "edge triggered" is an electrical term |
| 21:56.18 | Shirik | o |
| 21:56.19 | Iriel | Shirik: I knew you'd get it 8-) |
| 21:56.46 | foxlit | it's undefined-behavior-triggered. |
| 21:57.10 | foxlit | by which I mean it changes whenever it feels like it'll be least convenient for you. |
| 21:57.26 | Iriel | heh |
| 21:57.55 | foxlit | But level triggered is the more accurate description of the two you offered. |
| 21:58.27 | foxlit | You can, for instance, hover a small, non-mouse-enabled frame in the general vicinity of the cursor, and call SetCursor. What do you think happens? |
| 21:58.53 | Shirik | that seems well-defined to me |
| 21:58.55 | znf | the cursor changes? :P |
| 21:59.01 | foxlit | The cursor /flickers/. |
| 21:59.34 | Iriel | Is that because the hotspot moves? |
| 21:59.40 | Iriel | or just because the code is freaky |
| 22:00.02 | foxlit | the latter; the mouse does not leave the frame. |
| 22:00.20 | foxlit | making the frame mouse-enabled fixes it, but you don't want a mouse-enabled frame beneath your cursor. |
| 22:00.29 | Iriel | I think the best thing about sim city is watching the overlay maps while "Stuff happens" |
| 22:01.09 | Iriel | I'm watching an army of recycling trucks show up at a friend's city to clean up his mess |
| 22:02.14 | Thunder_Child | my recycling center suddenly decided to stop picking up recycleing, no idea why. |
| 22:02.24 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: it's a bug |
| 22:02.27 | Iriel | demo it and rebuild |
| 22:02.45 | Iriel | if you have 2, then sometimes demoing one and rebuilding it fixes the other |
| 22:02.57 | znf | Iriel, did you see that 1.8mil city with no power, no water, no garbage disposal, no waste disposal etc. ? |
| 22:03.25 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: I did demo it, still stopped working |
| 22:03.25 | Iriel | There MIGHT be a chance that shutting them down for a few days and then restarting them clears it too, but I'm sceptical that actually worked and I didn't do something else at the same time. |
| 22:03.27 | Iriel | znf: I haven't. |
| 22:03.37 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Even a day later/ (They take a bit to come back online) |
| 22:03.51 | znf | Iriel, http://imgur.com/a/gW7F9 |
| 22:03.51 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: If so, that sucks worse than I usually get it |
| 22:04.02 | Iriel | I'm on something like my 10th recycling center |
| 22:04.17 | Thunder_Child | I had two, one got destroyed then the other stopped working |
| 22:04.34 | Thunder_Child | I may have to build another to get the first going again |
| 22:05.19 | Iriel | Probably |
| 22:05.28 | Iriel | It's top on my "most annoying bugs" list at the moment |
| 22:06.10 | Shirik | what |
| 22:06.15 | Shirik | you just set to 0% taxes and win the game? |
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| 22:06.39 | Iriel | That "utopia" map looks a bit like a bug |
| 22:07.03 | Thunder_Child | I could set to 0% and still be fine |
| 22:07.16 | znf | ShadniX, pretty much. |
| 22:07.20 | znf | I mean Shirik |
| 22:07.27 | Thunder_Child | I make ~1 million per day with -50K debt |
| 22:07.43 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Consumer Electronics? |
| 22:07.51 | Thunder_Child | Iriel: Yup |
| 22:07.51 | znf | For 1.8mil people you could probably set taxes at 1% and buy utilities from neighbours :P |
| 22:07.56 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Same here 8-) |
| 22:11.25 | znf | facepalms himself |
| 22:11.44 | znf | mkay, obviously I can't grab the GUID on PET_BATTLE_OPENING_DONE |
| 22:14.12 | znf | foxlit, there's nothing stopping me from using a raid marker on my target, right? |
| 22:15.11 | foxlit | as long as you're not a permission-less member of a raid group. |
| 22:20.44 | znf | Any event firing on hovering a battle pet? Or should I just use UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT? |
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| 22:32.00 | znf | Why the hell is SetRaidTarget toggling my icon? I thought SetRaidTargetIcon does that o.o |
| 22:35.42 | znf | ...and why does it do that only solo and not in a party |
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| 22:44.21 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Why didn't you tell me to do this tribunal stuff sooner |
| 22:44.39 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: I didn't tell you to do it now! |
| 22:44.47 | Shirik | yes you did |
| 22:44.49 | Shirik | not now |
| 22:44.52 | Shirik | but like a week ago or something |
| 22:45.03 | Thunder_Child | No, I asked you -if- you did |
| 22:45.08 | Shirik | well it's hilarious |
| 22:45.09 | Thunder_Child | not, 'go do it' |
| 22:45.25 | Thunder_Child | I find most to be infuriating tbh |
| 22:45.43 | Thunder_Child | just shut up and play the damn game. |
| 22:47.07 | Shirik | I find it to be like "these people need to go see a psychiatrist" |
| 22:48.37 | zenzelezz | sounds suitable for you then :) |
| 22:50.43 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:52.25 | znf | can I check if I'm in an instance (ie: not in open world)? |
| 22:53.17 | Semlar|Laptop | IsInInstance |
| 22:55.36 | znf | on a scale of 1 to 10, how stupid does this look? http://www.wowace.com/paste/7467/ |
| 22:56.18 | Semlar|Laptop | it should just be one if statement |
| 22:56.38 | Semlar|Laptop | not really any point in nesting them |
| 22:56.50 | Semlar|Laptop | except maybe readability |
| 22:58.20 | znf | like |
| 22:58.21 | znf | if not UnitAffectingCombat("player") or not UnitInRaid("player") or not inInstance or not GetRaidTargetIndex("mouseover") and CPF[UnitGUID("mouseover")] then |
| 22:58.21 | znf | ? |
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| 23:05.05 | Semlar | yar |
| 23:05.34 | Semlar | except i think you left out not GetRaidTargetIndex('mouseover') if that's important |
| 23:05.42 | znf | Oh. |
| 23:05.49 | foxlit | Semlar: yar << narr? |
| 23:05.53 | znf | I didn't! |
| 23:06.02 | Semlar | right |
| 23:06.08 | znf | but that didn't exactly work out |
| 23:06.09 | Semlar | well i can't read |
| 23:06.12 | znf | it's marking every target :D |
| 23:06.15 | Semlar | put the ors in parentheses |
| 23:06.20 | znf | mkay |
| 23:07.07 | znf | if (not UnitAffectingCombat("player") or not UnitInRaid("player") or not inInstance or not GetRaidTargetIndex("mouseover")) and (CPF[UnitGUID("mouseover")] and CPF_MARK) then |
| 23:07.09 | znf | looks right! |
| 23:07.35 | Semlar | if (not UnitAffectingCombat("player") or not UnitInRaid("player") or not IsInInstance()) |
| 23:07.36 | Semlar | and not GetRaidTargetIndex("mouseover") and CPF[UnitGUID("mouseover")] then |
| 23:07.38 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.39 | Semlar | end |
| 23:08.16 | Semlar | it's probably about what you have |
| 23:09.31 | Semlar | normally you would put the one most likely to fail first so it doesn't have to go through the rest |
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| 23:10.49 | Semlar | i'm not sure what CPF[UnitGUID('mouseover')] will do if you aren't mousing over something |
| 23:11.18 | Semlar | you might want to make sure that won't throw an error |
| 23:11.19 | znf | well, it's registered to UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT |
| 23:11.21 | znf | so I guess nothing? :P |
| 23:11.25 | Semlar | okay |
| 23:12.53 | Eridius | I'm not sure what you're doing, but btw UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT doesn't fire when you lose mouseover |
| 23:13.19 | znf | Eridius, I'm puting a market on a battle-pet if I've already been in combat with it |
| 23:13.32 | znf | marker, I mean |
| 23:13.37 | Eridius | ah |
| 23:14.04 | Semlar | you probably don't need to check all of those things just for that |
| 23:14.36 | Eridius | for group testing you probably just want IsInGroup() |
| 23:14.45 | Semlar | i'm assuming you're keeping a table of what you've been in combat with |
| 23:14.50 | Eridius | because I assume party members probably don't want to see your markers either |
| 23:15.22 | znf | Eridius, I often "hunt" with friends in party, so that's not far fetched, but I surely don't want to do it in a raid group. |
| 23:15.32 | znf | and not in any instance |
| 23:15.33 | Eridius | ah |
| 23:15.36 | znf | Semlar, yes |
| 23:15.38 | Semlar | you should just need to check if it's in the table and not already marked |
| 23:16.03 | Eridius | znf: are you sure you want to use `or` in your test? Seems like you want `and`. |
| 23:16.32 | znf | I don't want to mark when: I'm in combat, I'm in a raid group, or in an instance. |
| 23:16.59 | Semlar | why |
| 23:17.08 | Eridius | znf: right, but you inverted incorrectly |
| 23:17.17 | Eridius | you want either `not (in combat, or in raid, or in instance) |
| 23:17.18 | Eridius | ` |
| 23:17.25 | Eridius | or `not in combat, and not in raid, and not in instance` |
| 23:17.31 | Eridius | but instead youf have `not in combat, or not in raid, or not in instance` |
| 23:17.35 | Eridius | so if you're in a raid, but not in combat, it'll mark |
| 23:17.42 | znf | oh |
| 23:18.32 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.33 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.33 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.54 | Eridius | znf: sure. What's CPF? |
| 23:19.00 | Eridius | if that's a table of things you have fought, then you'll want to negate that too |
| 23:19.13 | Eridius | also, UnitGUID() is going to return a unique value for every mob. You probably need to only take a substring of it |
| 23:19.17 | znf | no, it's just a boolean for the feature to be turned on/off |
| 23:19.20 | Eridius | ahh |
| 23:19.27 | Eridius | you want to turn it on and off per-mob? |
| 23:19.50 | Semlar | he wants to mark pets he's already been in combat with, probably not their entire species |
| 23:20.00 | znf | No. Also I want the unique GUID, so not the species |
| 23:20.10 | Eridius | ok I'm still confused. Once you've fought a pet, isn't it gone? |
| 23:20.22 | znf | Eridius, not anymore. They respawn with the same GUID if you didn't kill them. |
| 23:20.23 | znf | Since 5.2 |
| 23:20.30 | Eridius | oh. weird |
| 23:20.50 | Eridius | and you want to find the exact same one why? because you've already decided it's of the appropriate rarity? |
| 23:20.59 | Semlar | to avoid? |
| 23:21.02 | Dagmar | ...which means you can't just flee mobs you don't want to tame unless you want to search everywhere |
| 23:21.16 | Eridius | ah, so you've fought it, lost, and you want to not fight ita gain? |
| 23:21.17 | Semlar | can you not just kill them any more |
| 23:21.22 | znf | Eridius, no. |
| 23:21.29 | Semlar | like, with your character |
| 23:21.48 | Semlar | because that stopped them from respawning with the same guid before |
| 23:22.08 | znf | The scenario is that I only want to capture Blue/Rare pets. I go in combat with them. I see there's no rare. I forfeit. The unit respawns. |
| 23:22.13 | Semlar | if you left a battle and just moonfired the critter it wouldn't come back |
| 23:22.40 | znf | I don't want to go in combat with it again because I already know there isn't a blue there. So I'm not interested. I can leave it for someone else to capture it or whatever. |
| 23:22.44 | Eridius | you can't see rarity before going into combat? |
| 23:22.47 | znf | Nope. |
| 23:22.48 | Eridius | hasn't done pet battling |
| 23:22.49 | Eridius | ah |
| 23:22.50 | Semlar | no |
| 23:23.38 | znf | Semlar, yeah, I could do that. But for some rare pets, I can just let it be there, and maybe someone else wants to capture it who's not that picky :) |
| 23:23.53 | Semlar | >_> |
| 23:24.07 | Eridius | ooor if you kill it, when it respawns it may be rare |
| 23:24.13 | Eridius | if you don't kill it, it can't respawn |
| 23:24.19 | znf | Eridius, doesn't exactly work that way... |
| 23:24.22 | Eridius | no? |
| 23:24.26 | znf | Some are extremely rare. |
| 23:24.42 | znf | I camped for 5 days for Scourged Whelplings to spawn :( |
| 23:24.56 | znf | Some are *really* rare. |
| 23:25.34 | znf | Also, if you kill it, it doesn't guarantee that it comes back as a battle pet. It can just come back as a normal critter. |
| 23:26.01 | znf | When there's a limited amount of battle-pets in an area, the server will actually turn those critters into battle-pets. |
| 23:27.16 | Eridius | huh |
| 23:27.29 | znf | yeah... |
| 23:28.06 | znf | Some pets for example spawn always in a cluster of 3/4. If you the whole group, they will probably not respawn as battle-pets. But if you kill 2 out of 3, those 2 will respawn. |
| 23:28.08 | Semlar | but if you don't kill it then it can't respawn |
| 23:30.22 | znf | Semlar, I will eventually kill them... but not always. It's a case-by-case thingie |
| 23:30.44 | Semlar | kill them all! |
| 23:30.56 | Semlar | SLAUGHTER THEM |
| 23:30.59 | znf | like I said - doesn't work that way :P |
| 23:31.31 | Semlar | why not, if they have a chance of coming back as normal critters it doesn't matter |
| 23:31.43 | Semlar | if you leave them the way they were they will never be what you want |
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| 23:33.03 | znf | like I said above - in some cases you want to kill only 2 out of 3 if you find a cluster |
| 23:33.29 | Semlar | if they only spawn in clusters, does that mean all of them are always all battle pets or all critters |
| 23:34.10 | Semlar | if you leave one up that's a battle pet that guarantees the respawns will be battle pets? |
| 23:34.34 | znf | Semlar, yes. |
| 23:34.35 | Semlar | because if it doesn't then i don't understand the advantage of only killing a portion of the group |
| 23:34.58 | Semlar | what pets are like that |
| 23:35.13 | znf | Gilded Moth in Vale of the Eternal Blossom, for example |
| 23:36.19 | znf | took me 2 days to capture a blue one, until I finally read about that cluster thingie :-/ |
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| 23:53.06 | Shirik | We're sorry, but that bank can't be linked to any more PayPal accounts. Please link a different bank account. |
| 23:53.09 | Shirik | what? |
| 23:53.21 | Shirik | I mean, I think what they mean to say is "that bank account" |
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