| 00:09.53 | karl_w_w | man top loading washing machines are so annoying |
| 00:10.02 | karl_w_w | why does anyone use them |
| 00:17.53 | Gnarfoz | I don't understand their purpose either ;) |
| 00:26.44 | Wobin | So, can anyone give me a brief on Ingress? (Dagmar?) |
| 00:27.17 | Wobin | karl_w_w: liquid washing detergents =) |
| 00:27.24 | Wobin | (I have a front loader, too) |
| 00:35.51 | karl_w_w | so i guess no 5.2 this week |
| 00:37.26 | TC-work | Wobin: What kind of brief? |
| 00:37.44 | kd3 | they made the "2 weeks announcement" last week |
| 00:40.29 | Wobin | TC-work: just an overview, I guess. I can't run the intro at work and wander around the office =) |
| 00:40.44 | Wobin | "What are you doing?" |
| 00:40.46 | Wobin | "Ingressing" |
| 00:40.49 | Wobin | "Oh, carry on." |
| 00:41.35 | TC-work | Wobin: so walk outstide. It has a good tutorial |
| 00:42.09 | xyphoid | yeah the tutorial fakes up portals and stuff for everything you can do |
| 00:42.25 | xyphoid | i had to walk halfway down my street to do it |
| 00:45.13 | xyphoid | the early game itself is just figure out where all the portal near you are, and visit them regularly |
| 00:48.05 | Wobin | from the control/status changes in the chatlog I saw, I might have to range a bit. |
| 00:48.17 | Wobin | but I work in the CBD so it shouldn't be too bad |
| 00:48.20 | bleeter | randomly tackle hugs Wobin |
| 00:48.33 | xyphoid | have you looked at hte web intel map, that's teh thing to use |
| 00:48.40 | xyphoid | http://www.ingress.com/intel |
| 00:48.49 | xyphoid | trying to find portals on your phone will make you kill yourself |
| 00:48.59 | Wobin | ho bleets, how goes it? |
| 00:49.32 | Wobin | I wonder what side I should choose |
| 00:51.23 | Wobin | hm, resistance seems fairly overwhelming in the CBD |
| 00:53.28 | Wobin | Is it worthwhile being on the opposite side, if all the nodes nearby are heavily opposition based? |
| 00:55.47 | Gnarfoz | if the opposition's stuff is high level and you're starting out: no |
| 00:56.01 | xyphoid | i dunno |
| 00:56.28 | xyphoid | if all the nodes are heavily one side, it's boring being on that side too |
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| 00:59.51 | Gnarfoz | I'm actually unsure how I should've read his sentence |
| 00:59.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 01:06.47 | Wobin | ah yeah, that was unclear |
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| 01:07.05 | Wobin | Resistance has a overwhelming coverage in the central CBD |
| 01:07.15 | Wobin | (haha central CBD) |
| 01:07.50 | Wobin | is it worthwhile being Resistance with such a following, or more fun being Enlightened, even if your efforts will probably be neutralised quickly |
| 01:08.20 | Wobin | (seemingly overwhelming, mind you, I have no idea how quickly stuff can change) |
| 01:11.12 | TC-work | My area seems to be 49/51 |
| 01:13.42 | Wobin | TC-work: heh, have a look at Sydney, Australia |
| 01:15.10 | xyphoid | basically, if one side or the other is totally dominant, it sucks being a newbie in either case |
| 01:15.37 | xyphoid | i would pick enlightened though |
| 01:16.09 | TC-work | Wobin: I lied, that was the global |
| 01:16.38 | Wobin | xyphoid: whyso? |
| 01:16.59 | karl_w_w | really, there are people who thought seth macfarlane did a bad job? |
| 01:17.13 | TC-work | Yup |
| 01:17.25 | TC-work | Wobin: I see what you mean |
| 01:17.36 | Wobin | pft, if there wasn't controversy at an Oscar's presentation, it'd be boring |
| 01:22.58 | xyphoid | Wobin: you get xp for hacking opposition portals and none for hacking your own factions |
| 01:23.07 | xyphoid | and all you're doing for a while is hacking portals so... |
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| 01:30.19 | Gnarfoz | it's worthwile while you're low level |
| 01:30.29 | Gnarfoz | however, higher level opposition portals zap you for quite a bit |
| 01:30.46 | Gnarfoz | (or did that recently get changed... I read something about that) |
| 01:35.12 | xyphoid | it does, but the alternative is rely totally on people on your team to level you |
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| 01:42.09 | Wobin | Hm, how can you find faction ratio numbers in a non-global area? |
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| 01:43.50 | Wobin | huh |
| 01:43.54 | Wobin | I appear to be Resistance |
| 01:44.03 | Wobin | even though I didn't actually pick anything |
| 01:44.29 | Wobin | or does that work upon invite? |
| 01:46.22 | xyphoid | i think there's a default |
| 01:46.25 | xyphoid | based n local population |
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| 02:08.45 | karl_w_w | "But [Seth MacFarlane's] description of Jessica Chastains character in Zero Dark Thirty as a celebration of every womans innate ability to never let things go found him tarred in such outlets as New York magazines the Cut, Salon.com and the Daily Beast as a sexist and misogynist." |
| 02:09.11 | karl_w_w | I'd just like to point out I would be proud to be tarred in any of those outlets, especially salon.com |
| 02:09.17 | karl_w_w | I would put that shit on my resume |
| 02:23.46 | Arrowmaster | its seth macfarlane, he probably already has updated his portfolio with a copy of it |
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| 02:26.27 | Arrowmaster | so i had to call the company helpdesk today to ask about getting my email on my phone, learned we have a mobile device policy i must accept first, then discovered that the website that you have to goto to accept said policy does not accept my login, thus ticket opened |
| 02:27.21 | Arrowmaster | got an email about issue being resolved and found i could now login to said website and i found where to view and accept said mobile device policy, except the link to the english version of the mobile device policy is a 404 |
| 02:27.33 | Arrowmaster | but i can view the french version of it |
| 02:28.01 | Arrowmaster | Adys: fucking french |
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| 02:37.12 | ccox | karl_w_w: so, they discovered that he's a comedian… so what? |
| 02:37.51 | ccox | Also, expect salon to appear in an upcoming Family Guy episode. |
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| 03:08.42 | Wobin | oh I see |
| 03:08.47 | Wobin | I finished the tutorial |
| 03:08.52 | Wobin | now I have a 'patch' from Jarvis |
| 03:08.59 | Wobin | and I am offered the choice |
| 03:14.43 | karl_w_w | is jarvis voiced by paul bettany? |
| 03:14.54 | Arrowmaster | youve now done about everything ive done |
| 03:15.15 | Wobin | karl_w_w: not as far as I heard |
| 03:15.18 | Wobin | unfortunately |
| 03:15.23 | Arrowmaster | theres never any nodes near where i am that ive noticed |
| 03:15.40 | Arrowmaster | i tried to hack a node while at a stop light once, that didnt work too well |
| 03:16.49 | karl_w_w | it all sounds rather boring to me :P |
| 03:17.14 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 03:17.54 | karl_w_w | well ok then! |
| 03:49.25 | kd3 | emails out |
| 03:50.21 | xyphoid | haha i tried hacking a node at a red light, almost crashed, i have stopped trying it in the car completely now |
| 03:51.56 | Arrowmaster | my phone was in a mount, but the light didnt last long enough for the hack to complete |
| 03:52.19 | xyphoid | going to keep it as a bike-only game |
| 03:53.06 | Thunder_Child | hmm...ingress via google glasses |
| 03:54.57 | Arrowmaster | alright good night, having to get up early on the east coast sucks |
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| 03:57.46 | Neffi | Does anyone else find it disingenuous for the patch notes to read "Spell X does 20% more damage" when in fact its base damage way only increased by 20%? |
| 03:58.09 | Neffi | Figuring that Spell X in question has much lower base damage than AP-contributed damage, such that the increase actually amounts to almost nothing? |
| 03:58.22 | Neffi | (Talking about Envenom specifically) |
| 03:59.23 | Neffi | I mean, the increase works out to |
| 03:59.25 | Neffi | !lua 80*5 |
| 03:59.25 | batbot | Neffi: > 400 |
| 03:59.42 | Neffi | much damage increase at 90. That's pretty pitiful to advertise as a 20% increase |
| 04:00.09 | Thunder_Child | but they have to talk about base only |
| 04:00.22 | Thunder_Child | the rest is a variable |
| 04:01.23 | Neffi | The very next line says Dispatch is increased by 15%, and that applies to both coefficient AND base |
| 04:01.36 | Neffi | Same with the 32% increase in Frostbolt damage. Base and coeff raised by 32%. |
| 04:02.22 | Neffi | In fact, advertising a base increase on ANYTHING as a real increase is entirely inaccurate. The only time that applies whatsoever is when the spell in question is simplye X% of weapon damage. |
| 04:02.33 | Neffi | If they say +15% damage, it shouldn't really mean +1% damage. |
| 04:34.26 | Wobin | omg |
| 04:34.30 | Wobin | http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/02/25/google-chrome-may-soon-get-audio-indicators-to-show-you-noisy-tabs-keep-them-open-when-memory-runs-out/ bf |
| 04:42.01 | Humbedooh | there, met with breser and told him to work on pitbull . |
| 04:42.06 | Humbedooh | now I can go home |
| 05:14.01 | karl_w_w | if something on a webpage is being noisy now and i cant immediately identify it i just kill plugin container |
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| 05:22.46 | Xemnosyst | Evening |
| 05:23.13 | Xemnosyst | Anyone watching who can help me w/ converting one of my addons to a library? |
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| 05:25.02 | Xemnosyst | guess not. :( |
| 05:27.38 | tzarc | you'll find that people aren't active 24/7 :P |
| 05:27.57 | tzarc | unfortunately, no experience doing so here, so I can't help :( |
| 05:28.11 | Xemnosyst | well people SHOULD be |
| 05:28.25 | tzarc | lol, someone's feeling entitled |
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| 05:57.04 | Adys | kd3: I'm getting 50 meg wow-update files |
| 05:57.08 | Fisker | aHEY Adys |
| 05:57.09 | karl_w_w | there's no difference between an addon and a library |
| 05:57.15 | Adys | kd3: i dont know where you're getting your 1.2gb from |
| 05:57.23 | Adys | 49M -rw-r--r-- 1 adys users 49M Feb 26 05:55 /home/adys/mpq/WoWT/15890.direct/Data/itIT/wow-update-itIT-16634.MPQ |
| 05:57.33 | Adys | aHI Fisker |
| 05:57.43 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.55 | kd3 | from those files ^ |
| 05:58.06 | Adys | you dont need those for the ui |
| 05:58.24 | Adys | or actually, do you? |
| 05:59.47 | kd3 | I operate on the assumption of 'better safe than sorry' - the console extraction's given me weird results before with just the -enUS and -final mpqs |
| 06:00.05 | Adys | stop using those shitty-ass tools :P |
| 06:00.16 | Adys | my python-mpq library has 100% read support now |
| 06:00.28 | Adys | thanks to Semlar's testing |
| 06:00.30 | Xemnosyst | let me be more specific: one of my addons (which I'll call the "library") is only used to support my other addons. I'm converting it to be included with each one them, instead of downloaded separately. I'm wondering how I should handle the Bindings.xml file that is currently in the "library". |
| 06:00.34 | karl_w_w | tell me more about your python |
| 06:00.37 | kd3 | ooh |
| 06:01.41 | Adys | kd3: i also keep meaning to make a proper python-bpp library |
| 06:01.46 | Adys | to handle that patching protocol |
| 06:01.58 | Adys | instead of my current monolithic script |
| 06:02.16 | Ackis | any horde folk doing a sha? |
| 06:04.22 | Fisker | aHEY Ackis |
| 06:07.04 | Sintacks | what's the point of the \WTF\Account\Name\Server\Name\Addons.txt file .... |
| 06:08.28 | Fisker | what addons you have loaded? |
| 06:08.53 | karl_w_w | enabled* |
| 06:08.56 | Sintacks | it doesn't do anything. it has the whole list of a bunch of addons that are supposed to be disabled but when i look at the addno list, every singel addon is enabled |
| 06:09.27 | Fisker | maybe you're doing it wrong |
| 06:09.39 | karl_w_w | s/maybe// |
| 06:10.26 | Fisker | i'm not a jerk karl_w_w |
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| 06:27.44 | Xemnosyst | maybe an easier question: is it possible to define key bindngs in .lua files, instead of using Bindings.xml? |
| 06:36.13 | karl_w_w | you can do everything in Lua that you can do in xml |
| 06:36.22 | karl_w_w | except create virtual frames |
| 06:36.53 | Xemnosyst | how? |
| 06:37.59 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#binding |
| 06:39.57 | Xemnosyst | it looks like those are all for setting a command to a key - not for adding binging options to Blizzard's keybindings ui. Which function(s) should I be looking at? |
| 06:40.22 | Xemnosyst | *binding options |
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| 07:04.48 | Shirik | I just had this sudden realization |
| 07:04.55 | Shirik | wasn't the big bad wolf from the three little pigs? |
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| 07:11.57 | Xemnosyst | lol. how did that suddenly come to you? |
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| 07:29.00 | karl_w_w | life's good ideas: cut in front of a bus and jump on the brakes -> act surprised when bus rear-ends you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tbd3F3QVqY |
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| 08:00.22 | sylvanaar | anyone want to answer an unbuntu/linux question before i try to brave the linux channels? |
| 08:00.37 | sylvanaar | they scare me |
| 08:01.08 | zenzio | I most likely don't know the answer for Ubuntu, but try us |
| 08:02.54 | mitch0 | you already scared him |
| 08:03.00 | sylvanaar | I just want to stagger my startup service loading |
| 08:03.31 | zenzio | stagger? In what sense? |
| 08:03.42 | sylvanaar | load A, then B, then C |
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| 08:04.12 | mitch0 | what's ubuntu using nowadays? systemd? sysv-init? |
| 08:04.33 | zenzio | do you want to arrange the order, or do they load in parallel? |
| 08:04.38 | sylvanaar | sysv |
| 08:04.58 | sylvanaar | i dont care about order |
| 08:04.58 | mitch0 | erm |
| 08:05.21 | mitch0 | the traditional sysv init is sequential afaik |
| 08:05.23 | sylvanaar | they are 3 java app servers, and they take forever to load |
| 08:05.36 | mitch0 | aaand? |
| 08:05.47 | sylvanaar | yes I know - no surprise |
| 08:05.55 | zenzio | afraid this is outside my knowledge |
| 08:05.58 | sylvanaar | but, they take longer if you load them all at once |
| 08:06.05 | mitch0 | so don't load them all at once |
| 08:06.17 | sylvanaar | that was the goal |
| 08:07.01 | mitch0 | how do you know when one finished launching? |
| 08:07.11 | sylvanaar | i dont |
| 08:07.28 | sylvanaar | i could at least time their launch |
| 08:07.41 | mitch0 | well, add a sleep 3 after launching each in their init script |
| 08:07.50 | sylvanaar | not a bad idea |
| 08:07.56 | mitch0 | adjust the sleep as needed |
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| 08:08.25 | mitch0 | or find out if you can get some notification about one being ready (parsing some logs, stuff like that) |
| 08:08.32 | sylvanaar | i guess i could add a "start fast" to bypass the sleep at the command line |
| 08:09.04 | sylvanaar | that sounds good enough |
| 08:09.15 | mitch0 | btw, since when can linux do per-application sound volume setting without alsa? |
| 08:09.20 | mitch0 | s/alsa/pulse/ |
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| 10:19.09 | Maldivia | Ahh, Internet, you've been missed |
| 10:32.17 | karl_w_w | hides the internet |
| 10:32.39 | Maldivia | no no... I _just_ found it again! |
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| 11:13.58 | zenzio | "Google is working on identifying Chrome tabs that are currently playing audio (or recording it). The feature is expected to show an audio animation if a tab is broadcasting or recording sound." -- that's actually kind of cool |
| 11:19.12 | Maldivia | yeah - hate when there's some annoying flash in the background that starts playing music, and you have to tab through multiple tabs to kill it |
| 11:32.39 | karl_w_w | 7 hours late zenzio |
| 11:33.32 | zenzio | I'm not awake at 05:30 |
| 11:34.27 | karl_w_w | your loss |
| 11:35.20 | zenzio | on another note, the two Anarchy Online realms are being merged right now... somehow I missed the announcement. Expected downtime of 24 hours |
| 11:35.34 | zenzio | now's when I would be biting my nails hoping my porting scripts worked |
| 11:43.36 | znf | zenzio, I already have it! |
| 11:58.27 | Fisker | i got spam on my gmail |
| 11:58.40 | Fisker | gotta be a first for everything i guess |
| 11:59.02 | nevcairiel | maybe one mail every two month or so gets through gmails spam filter for me |
| 12:03.24 | znf | Jesus. 1->11 meintenance again |
| 12:19.03 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1eCbGrMfQ-g |
| 12:24.17 | karl_w_w | lol the last twilight won 7 razzies |
| 12:31.31 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: the problem with the razzie is that it's become too mainstream with the actors etc actually showing up to receive their awards! |
| 12:31.50 | Maldivia | kind of defeats the purpose of it |
| 12:33.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.keithandthegirl.com/Show/Pictures/JQLOQV104S3HOW7EUIJ0-Display.jpg |
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| 14:25.33 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhyTtu2Rt0o :D |
| 14:26.19 | zenzio | I try not to make fun of imperfect English, but sometimes it just becomes too amusing... |
| 14:26.27 | zenzio | "When system tries to |
| 14:26.27 | zenzio | use swap it became irresponsible (even mouse cursor doesn't moving smoothly)." |
| 14:26.39 | zenzio | bah, invisible newlines... |
| 14:27.07 | zenzio | either way, I do hate it when my system becomes irresponsible |
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| 14:33.07 | Lopeppeppy | Unresponsive? |
| 14:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | I do love irresponsible though. *laugh* |
| 14:34.16 | zenzio | aye |
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| 14:55.09 | TC-work | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 14:55.09 | purl | eats Thunder_Child's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
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| 15:22.02 | TC-work | Anyone know if you can pull email header information via google apps api's? |
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| 15:53.31 | p3lim | Any of you got a good suggestion for a phone? About time I replace my Desire |
| 15:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm one of those iphone people. I do lurve my iphone 4. |
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| 15:57.44 | p3lim | Not a big fan of apple's products |
| 15:57.57 | p3lim | except for the first few versions of the ipod |
| 15:58.14 | sylvanaar | i love my iThings |
| 15:58.20 | sylvanaar | and my PCs |
| 16:05.13 | Lopeppeppy | Work also absolutely does NOT support anything android, so if I want to be able to interface with my work accounts at all, even casually, my options are limited. |
| 16:08.26 | karl_w_w | p3lim: nexus 4 silly |
| 16:08.52 | Fisker | other way around Lopeppeppy |
| 16:08.58 | Fisker | sick of the headaches iphones give us here |
| 16:09.00 | Fisker | so android only :D |
| 16:09.15 | Fisker | but we don't block it actively |
| 16:09.21 | Fisker | (except when shit breaks) |
| 16:10.30 | p3lim | karl_w_w: found a good offer, picking it up in 20 min :] |
| 16:10.44 | karl_w_w | i would take a windows 8 phone over an iphone |
| 16:10.56 | p3lim | same |
| 16:11.00 | karl_w_w | an offer for sex p3lim? |
| 16:12.22 | p3lim | around $500 for it |
| 16:12.31 | p3lim | which is piss cheap in norway for that phone |
| 16:12.49 | karl_w_w | really? that's crazy |
| 16:12.59 | karl_w_w | for a nexus 4? why not buy it from google |
| 16:13.12 | Fisker | he can't |
| 16:13.15 | Fisker | google not in norway |
| 16:13.41 | karl_w_w | the what, that's more crazy |
| 16:13.55 | Fisker | they only got like 8 supported countries |
| 16:14.07 | karl_w_w | that's a lies |
| 16:14.38 | Fisker | don't be a poor troll |
| 16:14.43 | karl_w_w | im an imbecile and i can name 6 off the top of my head! |
| 16:17.11 | Fisker | lol haste |
| 16:17.14 | Fisker | carrier billing in norway |
| 16:18.03 | p3lim | retail is like $600 |
| 16:18.06 | p3lim | still |
| 16:18.29 | Fisker | lg needs to die |
| 16:19.04 | karl_w_w | you're so deathy |
| 16:19.21 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:20.03 | karl_w_w | deaths Fisker |
| 16:20.53 | haste | Fisker: I have no idea really... |
| 16:21.10 | haste | Fisker: work pays for everything |
| 16:21.11 | Fisker | huh haste ? |
| 16:21.16 | Fisker | it wasn't a question |
| 16:21.19 | Fisker | it was a statement |
| 16:21.31 | Fisker | http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/02/26/google-adds-play-store-carrier-billing-to-telstra-in-australia-telenor-in-norway-and-beeline-in-russia/ |
| 16:21.39 | haste | yes, but I have no idea what's lol about it |
| 16:22.53 | p3lim | lol, the galaxy nexus is still more expensive than the nexus 4 I'm buying |
| 16:23.09 | Fisker | oh ok haste |
| 16:28.25 | karl_w_w | such a shame Fisker, it would've been so nice for you to have a friend |
| 16:32.36 | Fisker | huh? |
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| 16:52.41 | Xemnosyst | Good morning! Is anyone around to answer a few questions about embedding an addon as a library? |
| 16:53.21 | Lopeppeppy | Ask and see who has what to say, Xemnosyst |
| 16:53.44 | F16Gaming | i'll have you know it's 5:53 PM here, hardly morning |
| 16:53.52 | Fisker | i have something to say Lopeppeppy |
| 16:54.06 | Xemnosyst | Then you may not answer, F16. Unacceptable. |
| 16:54.18 | F16Gaming | that's racist! or something |
| 16:54.21 | Xemnosyst | :) |
| 16:56.21 | Xemnosyst | First, my situation. I have a library that is currently packaged as a standalone addon that people download separately, so I'm working on embedding it. That library has a Bindings.xml file for a few universal keybindings that affect all of my other addons. How should I handle "embedding" that, especially in the case that it gets updated at some point? |
| 16:58.32 | foxlit | You don't. |
| 16:59.24 | Xemnosyst | Gotta say - so far I'm not sure what to do with your answer. |
| 17:00.47 | foxlit | There's basically no good way to achieve what you want starting with your assumptions. |
| 17:01.27 | foxlit | In short, libraries should not create functionality -- having a Bindings.xml file with a few universal bindings makes your library an addon rather than a library. Don't embed it in other addons. |
| 17:03.46 | Xemnosyst | That would be my preference, but I was asked to do so by a Curse person, because it's getting an unfair amount of rewards points as is. Hmm. The best solution I know of so far is to put a copy of Bindings.xml in each separate addon, and hope that if I ever update it people download the new version of each one all at once. |
| 17:05.09 | F16Gaming | unfair amount of reward points? |
| 17:05.59 | karl_w_w | whats wrong with libstub |
| 17:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | If you update part of an addon, why would you not go update the whole addon and be nice to your downloading hobbits? |
| 17:06.15 | foxlit | karl_w_w: Bindings.xml is wrong with libstub |
| 17:06.44 | Shadowed | haha |
| 17:06.50 | Shadowed | what is your addon that it was getting an unfair amount of reward points |
| 17:07.00 | Xemnosyst | not sure what you mean, lopeppeppy |
| 17:07.03 | Xemnosyst | bitten's spellflash |
| 17:07.12 | Xemnosyst | (library) |
| 17:07.50 | Shadowed | lol |
| 17:08.06 | karl_w_w | as if that's the only addon like that o.O |
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| 17:08.26 | Shadowed | What exactly is the issue. The fact taht you have a library that you then embed in an addon/ |
| 17:08.29 | karl_w_w | you shouldn't have called it library and you'd have been good :P |
| 17:09.16 | Xemnosyst | the issue is that I have a library that is *not* embedded, and therefore gets an unfair amount of rewards ponits |
| 17:09.40 | Shadowed | then why is it a library |
| 17:09.58 | Shadowed | that is literally the definition of a standalone addon |
| 17:10.09 | F16Gaming | isn't ace available for download on curse as standalone? |
| 17:10.22 | Diesal_ | yes it is f16 |
| 17:10.28 | F16Gaming | why is that not an issue then |
| 17:10.30 | Shadowed | The key part is that you can embed it or run it standalone |
| 17:10.40 | Shadowed | And in the majority of use cases, it's embedded |
| 17:10.46 | Xemnosyst | it doesn't provide anything usefuly by itself. except keybindings, I guess - but even those are useless without the other addons |
| 17:10.58 | Shadowed | If you have a library that can't be embedded, it's not a library. It's an addon. And anything that requires that addon is just a dependency |
| 17:11.18 | F16Gaming | Xemnosyst: AFAIK, Ace alone is also pretty unusable, it doesn't *do* anything on its own |
| 17:11.33 | TC-work | Except make some people rage |
| 17:11.39 | Shadowed | Yea but nobody cares about those people |
| 17:12.05 | Diesal_ | it dosnt it just has a few bindings, hence why it done so |
| 17:13.07 | Shadowed | Then it's not a library, it's an addon with hard dependencies on other addons |
| 17:13.10 | Xemnosyst | not sure where you're going with that, F16. isn't Ace embedded (most of the time)? |
| 17:13.44 | karl_w_w | yes, and it can be downloaded on it's own which is what they're complaining about with yours |
| 17:14.00 | karl_w_w | oh wait, no it isnt |
| 17:14.11 | karl_w_w | yeah, where are you going with that, F16? :P |
| 17:14.15 | Xemnosyst | I think the issue is not that it *can* be downloaded separately, but that I don't embed it ever, so it has to be |
| 17:14.29 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w: hm? |
| 17:15.00 | karl_w_w | it's their problem |
| 17:15.11 | karl_w_w | all they care about is the points |
| 17:15.14 | Shadowed | I imagine their problem is that it's split into so many weird sub modules that have dependencies, that it messes up the point share |
| 17:15.20 | karl_w_w | it is categorized as a library |
| 17:15.49 | F16Gaming | why don't they just reduce the amount of points generated for libraries then, if they're so picky about point distribution |
| 17:16.02 | Shadowed | Because most people don't do weird addon organizational setups to screw it up |
| 17:16.21 | Xemnosyst | hey! lol. don't call me weird |
| 17:16.36 | Shadowed | actually |
| 17:17.05 | Shadowed | your organization is terrible from what I can see, yea I see why they would complain |
| 17:17.11 | karl_w_w | why do you have them all seperate anyway |
| 17:17.11 | F16Gaming | breaking: Xemnosyst buys up 50% of curse addons, creates addon hoarding organization to exploit point distribution. Curse reward system corruption |
| 17:17.46 | karl_w_w | i cant see why they would complain tbh, each module has a very small target audience |
| 17:17.54 | karl_w_w | it's not like every1 is going to download them all |
| 17:18.10 | karl_w_w | but still, I don't see a reason to have all the modules in seperate addons |
| 17:18.24 | Shadowed | you have tons and tons of redundant code at a glance |
| 17:19.27 | Shadowed | And you could have actually solved a lot of your problems by just not doing bindings via the XML File and instead done it by callbacks and a more properly organized library |
| 17:19.56 | Shadowed | which would make it embeddable |
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| 17:21.21 | Xemnosyst | what are these callbacks you speak of, and how do I make them replace Bindings.xml? |
| 17:21.49 | F16Gaming | it's when you call a friend on the phone and later they phone you back |
| 17:22.02 | Xemnosyst | I'm skeptical, but go on |
| 17:22.32 | F16Gaming | you phone them asking "tell me the price of that pot once you get information about it" |
| 17:22.40 | karl_w_w | your friend has to be one of the awesome guys in here, and your call has to be asking them to do it for you |
| 17:22.43 | Torhal|work | Xemnosyst: http://www.wowace.com/addons/callbackhandler/ <-- this is used by many libraries. |
| 17:22.44 | F16Gaming | then when they have received info they phone you back and say "the price of the pot is 10 dollars" |
| 17:22.45 | TC-work | Except in Fisker's case, he never calls you back |
| 17:23.13 | foxlit | Xemnosyst: what they're proposing, in between the trolling, is that you should implement your own key binding UI instead of using Blizzard's. |
| 17:23.16 | F16Gaming | why would you attempt to call fisker in the first place |
| 17:23.29 | TC-work | To troll him |
| 17:23.31 | TC-work | why else? |
| 17:23.40 | F16Gaming | how does one troll a troll? |
| 17:23.46 | Xemnosyst | yeah that's the only way I know of to set keybinding via .lua. and not something I'm terribly interested it. |
| 17:23.48 | Xemnosyst | *in. |
| 17:23.50 | TC-work | Carefully |
| 17:23.54 | Torhal|work | Also, when did people in this channel start trolling folks who legitimately need assistance? |
| 17:24.23 | TC-work | Usually when they don't know the answer |
| 17:24.29 | TC-work | And can't help anyway |
| 17:24.33 | Torhal|work | That's usually a good time to just STFU. |
| 17:24.40 | Shadowed | Then you would be better off turning it into a real addon and not a weird fake library |
| 17:25.06 | Xemnosyst | To be clear, I know what a callback is in general - just not how to use them to add stuff to the Blizzard keybindings interface. |
| 17:25.19 | TC-work | I don't think anyone actually believed him Torhal|work |
| 17:25.36 | Shadowed | You can't, but the Blizzard keybinding interface isn't very good anyway |
| 17:25.48 | F16Gaming | what part of the blizz interface *is* good? |
| 17:26.00 | Torhal|work | Shadowed: The issue was that the "Bitten's SpellFlash Library" is actually an AddOn which provides absolutely no functionality itself other than three keybindings. SInce every one of his plugins required it... |
| 17:26.15 | Shadowed | Torhal|work yea, it's a weird fake library :P |
| 17:26.19 | Torhal|work | lol |
| 17:26.39 | Shadowed | A lot of parts of the Blizzard UI are fine and have gotten better over the years |
| 17:26.58 | F16Gaming | mhm, they added "movable: true" to the player frame :P |
| 17:27.01 | Shadowed | If they redid the keybinding UI to match how the general config UI looks now, it would actually not be too bad |
| 17:27.24 | Semlar | what do you mean you can't add stuff to the keybinding interface |
| 17:27.29 | Shadowed | If you think all Blizzard has done is add movable: true to the UI, then you're hopeless |
| 17:27.35 | Semlar | i've seen addons do it before |
| 17:27.42 | Shadowed | not without a Bindings.xml file afaik |
| 17:27.44 | F16Gaming | i'm just glad they let you write addons for their game, unlike many other games that force you to stick with whatever the designers thought best |
| 17:27.45 | Torhal|work | Semlar: Bindings.xml |
| 17:27.49 | Torhal|work | Not programmatically. |
| 17:27.58 | Shadowed | Perhaps you could hack it into it somehow |
| 17:28.03 | Shadowed | but it would taint the hell out of it and break it I imagine |
| 17:28.12 | Semlar | nothin wrong with a little taint |
| 17:28.31 | F16Gaming | taint currently is ridiculous(sp) |
| 17:28.32 | batbot | F16Gaming, ridiculous is correct. |
| 17:28.50 | F16Gaming | every time i enter combat it spams me about Prat trying to do stuff with the raid frames |
| 17:29.00 | foxlit | so file a ticket against Prat |
| 17:29.02 | Shadowed | Half of the issues with taint is that people do a terrible job of managing it |
| 17:29.08 | Shadowed | the other half are dropdowns, which will be fixed in 5.2 |
| 17:29.25 | F16Gaming | foxlit: but prat has nothing to do with raid frames |
| 17:29.56 | Semlar | psh, when has that ever mattered |
| 17:29.59 | Torhal|work | F16Gaming: You're right, but things it touches also touch the RaidFrame UI. |
| 17:30.02 | TC-work | is the dropdowns fixed on the PTR or is that hopeful wishing? |
| 17:30.06 | foxlit | F16Gaming: I'm a holistic detective, and I'm telling you this vacation to Hawaii is totally relevant to the case. |
| 17:30.11 | Shadowed | Prat likely does something with dropdowns, which does something with raid frames |
| 17:30.13 | foxlit | There are minor fixes in 5.2 |
| 17:30.17 | foxlit | They didn't get all of them. |
| 17:30.24 | foxlit | Some things will be better, others won't. |
| 17:30.28 | karl_w_w | dropdowns will be fixed? yeah I've never heard that before |
| 17:30.32 | Shadowed | TC-work: You can securely toggle dropdown menus in 5.2, which means set focus/etc will work again and using dropdown menus won't cause taint |
| 17:30.54 | Shadowed | of course, it requires people to actually use it |
| 17:30.58 | foxlit | "You can securely toggle dropdown menus in 5.2, which means set focus/etc will work again and using dropdown menus won't cause taint" << the first part is okay, the second is just wrong. |
| 17:30.59 | F16Gaming | they oughta rewrite the entire WoW codebase from scratch, it's just a bunch of patches and spaghetti code atm |
| 17:31.07 | Shadowed | foxlit no it's correct |
| 17:31.18 | foxlit | or just narrowly-scoped |
| 17:31.20 | Shadowed | Using drpodown menus won't cause taint when you securely toggle them |
| 17:31.22 | Shadowed | dropdown* |
| 17:31.30 | Shadowed | which is exactly what I said |
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| 17:31.45 | foxlit | "using dropdown menus" encompasses a few other things |
| 17:31.54 | foxlit | other than just opening the unit popups, that is. |
| 17:32.01 | Shadowed | You're being obtuse |
| 17:32.13 | Shadowed | The context of the sentence is very clearly to secure toggle menus |
| 17:32.33 | Shadowed | which was a big case of tainting dropdowns, because pretty much every custom UF will do it |
| 17:32.58 | Shadowed | which means regardless of any 3rd party libraries or avoiding the dropdown menus, you get taint from just using a custom UF |
| 17:33.01 | Shadowed | but back to work |
| 17:33.32 | foxlit | Hey, as long as you're limiting yourself to only that specific use case, I'm okay with it. |
| 17:34.08 | foxlit | I still have dropdowns in configuration UI, and this won't help with that. |
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| 18:17.12 | sylvanaar | F16Gaming: im sure most of the dropdowns come from one module. they also go through one place - so they are easy to disable - i gave up on the dropdown taint |
| 18:17.58 | sylvanaar | you either have dropdown modifications and no focus, or focus and no modifications... |
| 18:18.24 | F16Gaming | i run a number of addons |
| 18:18.28 | sylvanaar | target - especially is a lost cause from the chatframe |
| 18:18.37 | sylvanaar | for me |
| 18:18.51 | sylvanaar | im talking about prat |
| 18:21.11 | sylvanaar | im pretty sure just commenting out one line from prat\services\unitpopupmenus.lua will disable any unitpopups |
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| 18:23.26 | sylvanaar | could be wrong - only a couple modules really use it Altnames being the major one |
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| 18:29.46 | sylvanaar | a few taint the friends frame, just altnames taints the others |
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| 18:50.18 | p3lim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.47 | p3lim | got my nexus 4, and apparently the android version it shipped with has a bug so it can't connect to wifi |
| 18:51.06 | p3lim | an update fixes that, but the only way to update is to connect to wifi xD |
| 18:51.17 | Fisker | not really p3lim |
| 18:51.23 | p3lim | yeah I found a way around it |
| 18:51.31 | Fisker | no i mean the bug |
| 18:51.46 | Fisker | though you're right that it's not the only way to update either |
| 18:52.48 | Dewin | What's the workaround? I've been thinking about snagging one of those eventually... |
| 18:53.12 | Dewin | It'd be nice to be able to play Ingress on something besides my tablet |
| 18:54.02 | p3lim | root it and update, or have another phone to relay the wifi |
| 18:54.08 | zenzelezz | typically your phone developer has some PC software that can also do the upgrades over USB |
| 18:54.17 | p3lim | might be a compability issue with my router though |
| 18:54.47 | p3lim | I always root my phones, so I just did it that way |
| 18:54.51 | p3lim | and updated over usb |
| 18:55.04 | zenzelezz | why in particular do you root them? |
| 18:55.19 | p3lim | lots of reasons |
| 18:55.38 | p3lim | my favorite reason is to underclock the processor to increase battery time |
| 18:57.43 | p3lim | had to cut my simcard too |
| 19:05.30 | zenzelezz | did you have to cut the card because you rooted the phone? |
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| 19:55.29 | Semlar | kd3 when did they add waves to the island |
| 19:57.08 | Semlar | maybe i just didn't notice them before |
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| 20:06.11 | TC-work | poop |
| 20:13.28 | mikma | waves? |
| 20:14.16 | Semlar | the ocean around the whispering inlet has waves |
| 20:15.29 | mikma | sounds neat |
| 20:17.59 | kd3 | the whole island does |
| 20:18.03 | kd3 | it's been a week or two |
| 20:18.14 | Semlar | as far as i can tell it's just that area |
| 20:18.25 | Semlar | but i've only gone around half the island |
| 20:20.19 | Semlar | looks like they're also in backbreaker bay |
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| 20:22.48 | kd3 | blah. if only I had tickets to pax east |
| 20:23.36 | Semlar | the waves are mostly just around the southern part of the island |
| 20:23.57 | mikma | surfs up |
| 20:29.08 | Semlar | NO SURFING |
| 20:29.13 | mikma | fuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 20:29.36 | Semlar | they're ghost waves |
| 20:29.48 | mikma | good thing they ain't rogue waves |
| 20:29.52 | Semlar | they just kind of pass through you insubstantially |
| 20:29.57 | TC-work | Why is there no pax west? |
| 20:31.26 | kd3 | it's called pax prime |
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| 20:51.03 | kd3 | eesh |
| 20:51.07 | kd3 | "which resulted in unintended disassembly, followed by randomized reassembly of the airframe and premature passenger de-embarkation." |
| 20:51.51 | kd3 | from a reddit thread talking about the SWA depressurization |
| 20:54.09 | Dagmar | It reassembled? |
| 20:54.56 | Semlar | de-embarkation |
| 20:55.10 | Dagmar | de-embarkation I can understand |
| 20:55.24 | Semlar | poor passengers |
| 20:55.36 | Dagmar | "randomized reassembly" sounds more like it was attacked by out of control nanites who converted it to a low-riding monster truck |
| 20:56.00 | Semlar | they're clearly talking about a transformer |
| 20:56.06 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 21:01.16 | Ackis | lol my wifes PC crashed while she was exiting wow or soemthing and all her addon settings got nuked |
| 21:02.46 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 21:10.18 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKIu9yen5nc |
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| 21:11.55 | kd3 | oh wow. the last time I used my win7 vm was some time in june |
| 21:12.12 | kd3 | I guess for the wow beta before wine got patched to handle the new launcher? |
| 21:20.07 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCsGTP3-Jlw&feature=youtu.be |
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| 21:48.30 | Mr_Rabies | maaaan |
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| 21:48.46 | Mr_Rabies | you hit this point at 79 where there are no more dungeon quests |
| 21:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | and leveling slows down a lot then |
| 21:58.27 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1583548923/the-unofficial-official-4chan-drinking-game |
| 21:58.33 | TC-work | that's all Fisker right there |
| 22:05.30 | Shirik | it's clearly created by someone that doesn't know a lot about creating games |
| 22:05.32 | Shirik | but amusing nonetheless |
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| 22:17.42 | TC-work | If one had to price out a girl scout, how much would one go for? |
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| 22:20.34 | alestane | "Here, Count, have a homemade Girl Scout cookie." |
| 22:20.59 | alestane | "This Girl Scout cookie is delicious… what tdid you make it with?" |
| 22:21.14 | alestane | "…I believe we BOTH know the answer to that question." |
| 22:23.58 | durcyn | your sesame street stoner fanfic gets better by the day, alestane |
| 22:24.29 | alestane | Okay, that's a pretty good comeback. |
| 22:24.56 | alestane | But actually, that's a quote from some "monster holiday party" audio sketch that I heard back in the day on WVBR. |
| 22:27.15 | alestane | I admit it loses something in text form, especially given the lack of bogus Transylvanian accents, which help make clear the implication that what they both know to be in the homemade Girl Scout cookies is Girl Scouts. |
| 22:30.49 | Dagmar | I always just assume that's what they're made with |
| 22:31.44 | Dagmar | *Some* cookie pushers catch on quicker than others |
| 22:33.26 | Seerah | peanut butter cookies are made with peanut butter, chocolate chip cookies have chocolate chips, so girl scout cookies have girl scouts. *nod* |
| 22:34.19 | TC-work | I find baby soul to give the best texture |
| 22:38.21 | alestane | It's also a play on a line that I believe appears in another sketch by the same artists (my recollection is that they did one Hallowe'en, one for Christmas). |
| 22:38.38 | alestane | "Why Count, this bloody mary is delicious; what did you make it with?" |
| 22:38.50 | alestane | "…I believe we BOTH know the answer to that question." |
| 22:42.21 | Unkle | Dear RU spammers. FU for ruining my whole week. |
| 22:43.14 | zenzelezz | RU spammers? |
| 22:44.43 | Torhal|work | No, RU? |
| 22:44.44 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 22:44.53 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 22:45.28 | zenzelezz | I'm used to hearing "RU" as "Russian(s)", but I don't know if that makes sense in that sentence |
| 22:47.39 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 22:48.29 | Unkle | Spent my day yesterday and most of today fixing a mess they delightfully made for me. So very, very tired now. |
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| 23:04.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeehaw |
| 23:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | 80 on my hunter finally |
| 23:05.04 | Mr_Rabies | i forgot about the AoA |
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| 23:27.27 | Arrowmaster | so trying to get my new work email synced to my android devices, it told me it would disable my camera and enable a bunch of other security requirements, my options are forget being able to access my work email on my phone (other than through the browser), accept the device policies, or patch my email.apk to quietly ignore all that and violate policy document i agreed to (i never signed anything) |
| 23:27.33 | Arrowmaster | opinions? |
| 23:28.12 | Arrowmaster | technically im already violating the policy i agreed to since my devices are rooted |
| 23:29.51 | Unkle | How seriously do they take those restrictions? |
| 23:30.30 | Unkle | i.e., are you risking getting fired? |
| 23:30.53 | Arrowmaster | i have no idea but they dont pay me enough or give me enough sensitive info for me to let them remotely wipe my stuff |
| 23:31.16 | Unkle | F 'em. |
| 23:32.56 | Arrowmaster | thats what i was figuring, i work at a client company anyway so their part of the policy about me being required to hand over my devices to verify policy acceptance is never going to happen anyway |
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| 23:57.50 | Neffi-phone | Totally oj topic for wowudev: anyone install Linux on a ps3 before? |
| 23:58.57 | Neffi-phone | my friend's computers are all shit but he has an extra ps3. wondering how it would run the web |
