| 00:05.55 | kd3 | emails out |
| 00:06.05 | TC-work | lies! |
| 00:09.17 | TC-work | no really, I still haven't received it kd3, sure you sent it? |
| 00:10.10 | kd3 | yup. check your spam folder? |
| 00:10.18 | smcn | i got it |
| 00:10.19 | TC-work | nope |
| 00:10.31 | TC-work | besides, it's never gone in there before |
| 00:10.37 | TC-work | ok, i guess it's just me then |
| 00:11.05 | TC-work | ah hah, it marked it as not important |
| 00:15.25 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=966 |
| 00:15.32 | Adys | saw |
| 00:15.38 | Adys | the guy linked it in razor mailing list |
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| 00:28.19 | Wobin | ping bluspacecow |
| 00:28.38 | bluspacecow | hi2u |
| 00:29.18 | bluspacecow | do you has a kindle keyboard ? wondered how the kindle paperwhite compared in actual viewable area. specs so they're both 6 inch ereaders last time I looked it up |
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| 00:33.23 | Wobin | bluspacecow: the paperwhite is my first kindle |
| 00:33.38 | bluspacecow | my kindle keyboard , not including the menu and status bar down the bottom is 15 cm diagonally both ways |
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| 00:34.26 | Wobin | bluspacecow: paperwhite is also 15cm diagonally |
| 00:34.35 | bluspacecow | oh rly. |
| 00:34.35 | Wobin | on the screen |
| 00:34.41 | Semlar | why would they be different |
| 00:35.04 | bluspacecow | my birthday this friday. just saying :3 . Going out to vist the 'rents this weekend |
| 00:35.32 | Wobin | actually |
| 00:35.43 | Wobin | if you want to measure from text to text |
| 00:35.51 | Wobin | on the readable area not including the status bar |
| 00:36.01 | Wobin | (location, time to chapter end etc) |
| 00:36.09 | Wobin | it's only about 13cm |
| 00:36.13 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 00:36.17 | Wobin | with minimum margin |
| 00:36.31 | Wobin | and smallest line size |
| 00:38.07 | Wobin | the screen is 15cm, physically |
| 00:38.19 | bluspacecow | i see. Thanks :) |
| 00:38.35 | Amarande | heh, just noticed today that the cache of sha-touched gold has a vendor value |
| 00:38.36 | Wobin | I vote you get it for your birthday |
| 00:38.43 | Amarande | wonder if anyone's ever taken the twelve copper by mistake, or perhaps out of rage heh |
| 00:38.44 | Wobin | unless you're after a car or something, otherwise =P |
| 00:39.28 | bluspacecow | i could have it for a reading in bed thing :3 |
| 00:39.53 | Arrowmaster | fuck the kindle, get a nexus7 |
| 00:40.08 | bluspacecow | or reading while in company thing. my cover for the kindle spills a ton of light out. Not really good when sitting in a lounge and everyone else watching TV |
| 00:40.19 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: is the nexus7 as light as the kindle? |
| 00:40.36 | Wobin | bluspacecow: the backlighting is quite good |
| 00:40.41 | Arrowmaster | probably not but its still damn light |
| 00:40.45 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 00:40.56 | bluspacecow | 1.8 MB fanfiction. reduced to 150 kb |
| 00:41.03 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: also, how's the batterylife? |
| 00:41.06 | bluspacecow | god dammit fanfiction.net |
| 00:41.11 | Arrowmaster | amazing |
| 00:41.18 | Wobin | amazing for a tablet |
| 00:41.22 | Wobin | or amazing for a kindle? |
| 00:41.32 | Arrowmaster | i watched 3 hours of tv shows on my nexus7 today while at work, still above half |
| 00:41.50 | Wobin | yeah, I'm after week long usage times |
| 00:41.57 | Wobin | for a ereader |
| 00:42.04 | Wobin | weeks long (sorry) |
| 00:42.21 | Arrowmaster | its not that long but its a good 8 hours of video watching at least |
| 00:42.27 | Arrowmaster | most get longer than that |
| 00:42.50 | Wobin | If I want to watch video, I'd use a laptop, or something with a decent enough screen I don't have to hold up |
| 00:42.59 | Wobin | eh, anyway =P |
| 00:43.04 | Wobin | different requirements =P |
| 00:43.19 | Arrowmaster | i have a case that turns into a stand |
| 00:43.40 | Arrowmaster | just put some ear buds in and pop it around as a stand and watch some tv while im working |
| 00:44.00 | Wobin | That's what my third monitor is for =) |
| 00:44.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah i dont actually have a computer at work |
| 00:44.27 | Wobin | ah, well, that's a slight drawback |
| 00:44.43 | Arrowmaster | i unbox new computers and configure them so they are ready for me to install later |
| 00:45.48 | Wobin | Hm, I'd probably look towards audiobooks |
| 00:45.59 | Wobin | less visual focus required |
| 00:46.04 | Wobin | (personally) |
| 00:46.24 | Arrowmaster | yeah but the audiobooks i was listening to last arent easy to follow at times |
| 00:46.43 | Wobin | "Astrophysics and You" |
| 00:46.44 | Arrowmaster | i was listening during a 6 hour drive to a job location |
| 00:46.50 | Wobin | "How To Nuclear" |
| 00:47.01 | Wobin | "It Really Is Rocket Surgery" |
| 00:51.19 | Semlar | "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire" |
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| 01:14.55 | TC-work | Wobin: "Understanding Women" |
| 01:15.18 | kd3 | `No manual entry for woman` |
| 01:15.52 | Wobin | TC-work: there is no way that subject can be rendered in an audible fashion |
| 01:16.31 | TC-work | Wobin: That's true, can't get a swift kick to the giblets over the air |
| 01:17.59 | bluspacecow | @kd3 that's cause you were doing man woman not man women |
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| 01:28.58 | smcn | heh, one of my bnet friends says "last online 43 years ago" |
| 01:30.09 | kd3 | it's an epoch fail |
| 01:30.18 | smcn | boom |
| 01:34.14 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 01:34.22 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 01:34.50 | Fisker | illegal in germany |
| 01:34.59 | Fisker | i got a Pebble |
| 01:36.04 | Fisker | :'( |
| 01:36.23 | Fisker | hater |
| 01:39.47 | Amarande | hm. am I just thinking it or is the second half of HoF a hell of a lot easier than the first half? :S |
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| 01:41.47 | Amarande | The Empress (may she certainly not live forever) in fact seems to be one of the easiest LFR bosses |
| 01:43.32 | kd3 | as long as the tanks remember to swap |
| 01:43.55 | tzarc | hmmmmmmmmmmmm, heroic spirit kings, blade lord or wind lord. |
| 01:44.42 | tzarc | ponders |
| 01:45.23 | Eridius | why doesn't Titan Panel bother to update their changelog anymore? It's very annoying |
| 01:47.19 | Amarande | Also a lot of mantid should get in a lot of trouble, they keep forgetting to say "May she live forever" when referring to the Empress. :D |
| 01:52.06 | Rythal | kd3: I get those on several characters a couple times a week |
| 01:52.16 | Rythal | bah nevermind |
| 01:52.27 | Rythal | was scrolled up to like an hour ago conversation |
| 01:55.44 | TC-work | ~fail Rythal |
| 01:55.44 | purl | Rythal, you Fail! |
| 01:58.27 | karl_w_w | oh bleeter, I just saw the best joke ever |
| 01:58.46 | karl_w_w | http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/20/afr-leaves-crucial-info-out-of-nbn-cost-story/ "I once considered using the AFR as toilet paper. However, I suspected it would deposit more than it removed." |
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| 02:27.51 | Mr_Rabies | finally got a sha touched weapon |
| 02:27.53 | Mr_Rabies | it's lfr, but eh |
| 02:27.55 | Mr_Rabies | whatever |
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| 02:55.52 | smcn | so, does sigil of power only drop in msv? |
| 02:56.02 | Jammer | terrace should have chance too |
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| 02:59.43 | smcn | 2 weeks i've been at 8 sigils of power, last week i got 5 sigils of wisdom to put me at 13, this week i only got 1 power out of all of msv :/ |
| 03:00.48 | Jammer | having tough time on my DK too |
| 03:00.56 | Jammer | got like 18 wisdoms I think |
| 03:01.01 | Jammer | ~7 powers |
| 03:02.12 | tzarc | make sure you destroy them after you finish the quest |
| 03:02.25 | tzarc | I had them sitting in my bags for 3 weeks before I checked if the extras were still needed |
| 03:02.58 | smcn | my priest is also at 8/10 power and 10/10 wisdom, and she's been raiding half as long |
| 03:03.15 | smcn | at least they both have shatouched weapons |
| 03:03.22 | smcn | in fact i have 2 on my priest |
| 03:03.50 | tzarc | I think I've had 5 from LFR |
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| 03:26.26 | Amarande | yay just finished terrace lfr |
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| 03:41.49 | Jammer | Amarande: you make it sounds like a big accomplishment :P |
| 03:42.39 | Jammer | hardest thing about LFR is not going afk and getting kicked for it |
| 03:51.10 | Amarande | would I be right btw to guess that the apparently much greater difficulty of normal and heroic raids this time around is because of LFR? |
| 03:51.18 | Amarande | like "we have LFR, therefore, we can go ahead and do our worst on the organised modes" |
| 03:53.18 | tzarc | I think it's more of a factor for the intended audience - you have more people doing LFR that normally would not have been raiding, so things will be skewed |
| 03:54.01 | tzarc | normal raiding guilds from pre-LFR are still most likely at similar progression levels in normal/heroic than what they would have been |
| 03:54.06 | Amarande | I'm not sure in this day and age that the people who do LFR who normally wouldn't have raided is because of skill, though :S |
| 03:54.42 | Amarande | One can, especially in the USA, heavily blame the economy, which means a lot of pretty good raiders are unable to do normal/heroic much due to work schedules that aren't sufficiently crystalline |
| 03:54.56 | tzarc | that's a fair point |
| 03:54.57 | A-KO | Amarande: For what it's worth, organization skill can generally be improved if it's the only incentive that they have to getting the gear. Because of LFR, and the relative lack of difference between 10 ilevels (where it comes down to really simply skewed numbers at that point), it makes it not worth it for them to bother learning to organize. |
| 03:55.41 | A-KO | If they gave out blues only for LFR, you'd see a lot more people doing organized raiding and shutting up and listening to their raid leaders. |
| 03:55.54 | Sintacks | how do i /dump the current value of a CVar |
| 03:56.20 | kd3 | ./dump GetCVar('desiredcvar') |
| 03:58.04 | A-KO | Amarande: As it stands right now, you could thereotically do all raids using just LFR gear. Sure, a full raid of organized-raid gear would make that a whole lot easier, but at this point I suspect the timings are required to be so perfect that you couldn't run a 75/25 split of high end vs. LFR gear and not accomplish the same thing, assuming all players had a high enough skill level. |
| 03:58.37 | A-KO | There's just no incentive to be organized really |
| 03:58.44 | Amarande | Also, speaking of raid design. One thing's just occurred to me that perhaps isn't really a good idea - it contributes to people having difficulty in the beginning due to not enough nights to be able to be promised, and then to end of expansion ennui. |
| 03:59.17 | Amarande | They tend to heavily front-load the distribution of raid instances, e.g. we get three or so right at the beginning, then a few months into the expansion there's just one current raid at a time and that's it till next xpac. |
| 03:59.55 | Amarande | The last time we had multiple raids per tier was BC (which wasn't really well done either, the amount of raid content at each tier ALWAYS being enough that people felt the need for almost-every-night-or-you-don't-raid promises) |
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| 04:00.03 | A-KO | Yeah, a lot of that has to do with pure numbers though. They are correct in stating that under the older systems, not as many people in a pure numerical sense saw the content; but at the same time, at which point does it not become a fun game anymore? |
| 04:00.53 | A-KO | I gave serious raiding a go around in Cataclysm, but I wasn't as dedicated as I was back in vanilla. Back then, I raided right after work, I led the healing team and distribution, I crunched numbers in Excel, etc. |
| 04:01.04 | Amarande | But yeah. At the beginning people demand four or five nights a week because there's three raids to progress through. Then after the first six months people get bored and start unsubbing steadily over the next eighteen because it degenerates to you've done everything for the week by Wednesday or Thursday night. |
| 04:01.29 | tzarc | which is why I raid for 5hrs a week max |
| 04:01.49 | Amarande | Heck, already once you get to LFR, you can valor cap in three or four days a week. |
| 04:01.57 | A-KO | They really need to return to something of the old days. All they need to do is distribute better gear to organized raids, and not just a couple of ilevels, but meaningfully better items. |
| 04:02.05 | Amarande | Which is kind of a mixed blessing. It's more free time for other things, but OTOH, it significantly decreases the rewards for dailies |
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| 04:02.26 | Amarande | Which ... is kind of annoying when the reps you have left to do include craptastic things like Shado-Pain. Oops did I say Shado-Pain? I meant Shado-Pan. :D |
| 04:02.38 | A-KO | yeah, the rep thing in MOP really turned me off |
| 04:02.41 | A-KO | I stopped playing because of it |
| 04:02.59 | Amarande | I basically refuse to do Shado-Pan dailies unless I'm getting valor for them, even if I still need the rep :| |
| 04:03.09 | A-KO | I used to have a thing going where I'd do my dailies before work, or right after, or whatever. I'd cap dailies in 1 hour. Now the game's at a point where you really need to intensely focus on dailies. |
| 04:03.12 | A-KO | and it bores the fuck out of me |
| 04:03.28 | tzarc | what annoys me is the imposed 'requirement' for doing enough dailies for coins in order to gear up fast enough for progression |
| 04:03.46 | Amarande | I wouldn't mind the dailies if they were fun enough consistently enough, but they often aren't balanced well |
| 04:03.49 | A-KO | The game is far more of a grind than it ever has been. |
| 04:03.57 | Amarande | they're either way too simple, or they're ridiculously omg hard |
| 04:03.59 | tzarc | yup. |
| 04:04.10 | xyphoid | forcing yourself to do all dailies is bad for progression |
| 04:04.13 | Amarande | what's worse is that the omg hard ones tend to be such that the factions with them have basically NOTHING BUT |
| 04:04.25 | Amarande | like ... shado-pan |
| 04:04.28 | A-KO | I'd rather raid for challenging gear than do dailies, because at least with raiding you can progress. |
| 04:04.32 | A-KO | dailies, they never get faster |
| 04:04.32 | A-KO | ever |
| 04:04.42 | A-KO | you still have X to do per day, and the next day, you'll have another X to do |
| 04:04.46 | tzarc | they do if you don't do them |
| 04:04.51 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:04.59 | Amarande | xyph: yeah I tend to work on only a couple factions or so at a time |
| 04:05.04 | tzarc | you just gimp yourself in raids instead |
| 04:05.12 | tzarc | really. fucking. annoying. |
| 04:05.14 | A-KO | I mean, back in vanilla, we'd raid MC in 1 night then move to BWL and focus on that for 2-3 nights. |
| 04:05.18 | xyphoid | enh, you'll probably raid better if you haven't been doing all dailies all week |
| 04:05.24 | Amarande | kind of glad I saved anglers for near the end, since it's provided a nice balance against the awful difficulty fest that is Shado-Pan |
| 04:05.29 | xyphoid | even if you get 2% less loot |
| 04:05.32 | Amarande | just hit exalted with anglers though |
| 04:05.36 | tzarc | I do dailies on weekends only, no point during the week |
| 04:05.45 | Amarande | so now it's just SP, Shieldwall, and AC left |
| 04:05.46 | tzarc | raid mon/wed, 2.5hrs each |
| 04:05.54 | xyphoid | my only real gripe about dailies is that the food turnins cut off |
| 04:05.58 | tzarc | any more and I'll burn out like last time |
| 04:06.31 | tzarc | I'm surprised I came back, after running a 25-man raidgroup for the entirety of wotlk |
| 04:06.37 | tzarc | curses this game |
| 04:07.10 | karl_w_w | i wish they hadnt decided not to reset valor in 5.2 |
| 04:07.32 | tzarc | catering for the complaining few |
| 04:08.15 | tzarc | "here's a few free 522's for everyone!" |
| 04:08.33 | Amarande | AC seems to vary extremely wildly on difficulty depending on which set you get |
| 04:08.50 | Amarande | jade serpent is easycakes. that one in krasarang is annoying. |
| 04:09.19 | tzarc | I don't think I'm past neutral with shadopain |
| 04:09.36 | tzarc | _really_ cbf'd |
| 04:11.00 | tzarc | alright, time to get back to work |
| 04:11.36 | Amarande | karl: why not? |
| 04:11.46 | Amarande | and it's not a few free 522's for everyone till you've progressed in the raid enough |
| 04:11.54 | Amarande | keep in mind you have to hit 480 in order to do it on LFR |
| 04:12.11 | kd3 | is chilling at 491 |
| 04:12.33 | tzarc | apparently you just need a couple of bosses to get to friendly, which opens up bracers and something else |
| 04:12.40 | tzarc | obviously went back to work |
| 04:12.45 | Sintacks | not resetting gear isn't going to instatntly give people valor gear |
| 04:14.21 | tzarc | should do what they did with the adhtongue - put the quartermaster inside the instance after a couple of bosses |
| 04:14.23 | kd3 | you get one piece for "free", basically, the necklaces |
| 04:14.28 | tzarc | ashtongue |
| 04:15.04 | karl_w_w | <Amarande> karl: why not? <- because it makes it hard to decide between upgrading before they take the upgrade system out or saving them |
| 04:15.26 | karl_w_w | because it makes it harder for the less geared to catch up |
| 04:17.51 | Amarande | tzarc: ehh. it needs to be reasonably easy to catch up on gear though |
| 04:17.54 | Amarande | we don't need another BC |
| 04:18.07 | kd3 | which is why 5.0 lfr raids will positively rain gear |
| 04:18.10 | Sintacks | resetting VP would have made it harder for the less geared/alts to get caught up |
| 04:18.14 | kd3 | as will the 5.0 bonus rolls |
| 04:18.24 | tzarc | wouldn't mind another BC, tbh :P |
| 04:18.24 | Amarande | where everyone was either in full T6 and demanded you be at the very least in T5 to even do heroics |
| 04:18.26 | Sintacks | because they didn't make 5.0/5.1 gear cost JP |
| 04:18.43 | Amarande | or else was busy failing at kara with their other late-coming friends who couldn't get skilled enough anchors to get off the ground |
| 04:19.56 | tzarc | so you can probably guess that I was one of the ones with 8pT6 :P |
| 04:22.42 | Sintacks | heh.. i have too many addons |
| 04:22.53 | Sintacks | i have three different adddons that do something when i go afk |
| 04:22.59 | Sintacks | 4 if you count the titalpanel one |
| 04:23.45 | karl_w_w | flawed logic Sintacks |
| 04:24.28 | karl_w_w | people who are behind on gear dont have any vp saved up, so the people who are geared will get an instant boost over them |
| 04:25.00 | karl_w_w | people who have no gear and are only starting to gear in 5.2 wont spend vp on 5.0 stuff anyway so there is no difference there |
| 04:26.56 | karl_w_w | http://www.skymesh.net.au anyone else getting timeout? |
| 04:27.23 | tzarc | works for me |
| 04:27.49 | tzarc | damn people and their NBN already connected, I'll be one of the last to get it I'm sure |
| 04:27.52 | karl_w_w | weird |
| 04:28.19 | karl_w_w | tzarc if the election follows the current polls you probably won't get it at all |
| 04:28.37 | Amarande | yay, overcapped on hit again |
| 04:28.46 | tzarc | I know, which irritates me greatly |
| 04:29.10 | Amarande | man, that's one thing where I rather miss my old DW Frost DK |
| 04:29.38 | tzarc | doesn't matter who's in power, the govt will fuck shit up... at least the NBN in its current form is somewhat promising compared to the other option |
| 04:30.07 | tzarc | "The NBN is coming to your place; however construction hasn't commenced in your area as yet. |
| 04:30.12 | tzarc | yeah I call BS |
| 04:30.44 | karl_w_w | the nice thing is the nbn is going now, labor can't really fuck it up because it's not in their hands any more |
| 04:30.55 | karl_w_w | the coalition's plan though is just scary shit |
| 04:31.16 | tzarc | I live in an apartment complex that has HFC going past it, but I can't get the HFC connected |
| 04:31.33 | tzarc | so I'm "NBN capable" as far as the coalition is concerned |
| 04:31.33 | karl_w_w | yeah, turnbull says you'll be last to get nbn, if at all |
| 04:31.39 | tzarc | but I can't get it at all |
| 04:31.50 | tzarc | gg |
| 04:32.02 | karl_w_w | did you see his interview on lateline? |
| 04:32.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3690871.htm |
| 04:32.32 | tzarc | I heard snippets, never had a proper look though |
| 04:32.53 | karl_w_w | "We'll complete the network sooner, we'll complete it cheaper and we'll prioritise the areas that have got poor service. And then as to what happens with the HFC areas down the track, that would depend very much on negotiations with Telstra." |
| 04:33.08 | tzarc | yeah so he's towing the party line |
| 04:33.11 | tzarc | how lovely |
| 04:33.16 | karl_w_w | ie. they will consider the network complete before they even look at HFC areas |
| 04:33.20 | tzarc | useless fucks |
| 04:33.43 | tzarc | I read that you could get it FTTH by paying extra to extend it to your premises |
| 04:33.51 | tzarc | if that isn't an attempted cashgrab I don't know what is |
| 04:33.59 | tzarc | they know a lot of people want it |
| 04:34.30 | karl_w_w | best part is rolling out FttN doesn't really save any money |
| 04:34.57 | Amarande | wow. I'm feeling like a noob now. |
| 04:34.59 | tzarc | he's full of shit |
| 04:35.01 | tzarc | seriously |
| 04:35.03 | Amarande | except for my horde warlock who's working on hyjal |
| 04:35.07 | tzarc | listening to lateline now |
| 04:35.11 | Amarande | every character I've had that reached 80 went through Vashj'ir |
| 04:35.16 | Amarande | which apparently is about the dumbest thing you can do now :| |
| 04:35.27 | Amarande | and has been since well. 4.2 or so |
| 04:35.38 | karl_w_w | i went through vashj'ir on my first play through and it wasnt that bad imo |
| 04:35.58 | karl_w_w | there was 1 quest i remember where there were like 100 people constantly waiting for this 1 spawn |
| 04:36.05 | karl_w_w | but otherwise it was ok |
| 04:36.07 | Amarande | karl: it's more that Hyjal progression earns you additional rewards (Molten Front eligibility, which includes rare pets for hunters and at least one recipe for engineering, probably recipes for others but not quite sure) |
| 04:36.15 | karl_w_w | i guess some people just have problems working in a 3d space |
| 04:36.24 | Amarande | Vashj'ir progression gets you jack all, and doubly so given that the add-on that was going to be put into Vashj'ir got canned |
| 04:36.48 | Amarande | it also had many more buggy quests than Hyjal did, apparently :| |
| 04:37.04 | karl_w_w | i dont remember encountering any :P |
| 04:37.10 | Amarande | loads of people who choked on the air and drowned due to bugs in the submarine bit, for instance, and the final chain quest was known to be a glitchfest for many |
| 04:37.12 | tzarc | neither |
| 04:37.30 | Amarande | and then there was the whole "horde earthen ring screwover" |
| 04:38.30 | Amarande | specifically, when you do Vashj'ir, you are supposed to get a substantial amount of rep with Earthen Ring. My Alliance mage did, late in Cata. ALLIANCE characters apparently always did. My Horde DK, and apparently every Horde character who did it when Cata was new, got jack all, because the quests hordeside didn't have the right faction tag. :| |
| 04:38.30 | tzarc | which was? |
| 04:38.44 | tzarc | ah nice |
| 04:38.56 | Amarande | which meant you basically didn't have any chance at all as horde to rep up with ER until TwiHi |
| 04:39.05 | Amarande | and you couldn't even get the tabard, because you started out (and stayed) Neutral |
| 04:39.42 | Amarande | I've always wondered if it had a major impact on Horde in heroics early on |
| 04:40.03 | Amarande | given that TwiHi is so late in that most people were already trying to go on to dungeons and heroics by the time they got any significant progression in there |
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| 04:43.34 | karl_w_w | i love that turnbull interview tbh, when you see the bullshit it's just hilarious |
| 04:43.47 | Amarande | hmm. bunch of agi gear, but also a bunch of caster gear |
| 04:43.56 | Amarande | yeah, I can see that having caused an issue early on, a lot of healer gear wasn't readily accessible |
| 04:44.00 | karl_w_w | "how long would that take" "not very long" |
| 04:44.41 | karl_w_w | he should have said "wither before or after Christmas" |
| 04:46.29 | Amarande | and if I remember early cata as horde correctly, one of, if not *the* chief issue we had in heroics was healers running out of mana |
| 04:46.46 | Amarande | so healer gear was a BIG issue, and losing access to rep gear useful to them probably did hurt a fair bit |
| 04:47.48 | Amarande | I forget what the head enchant did, heh |
| 04:48.27 | Amarande | and that's one thing I'm not exactly unhappy to see go. :) |
| 04:50.24 | Amarande | I'm also glad valor gear didn't fall through to justice this time, since I'm *finally* at the point where justice is of little or no use to me and I can start thinking towards buying heirlooms |
| 05:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | 94% to ranking on garalon, not bad |
| 05:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | i like this weapon :D |
| 05:11.21 | Amarande | i476. wonder what the chance is I'll hit i480 before patch |
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| 05:23.53 | Shirik | Blizzard is evil |
| 05:23.58 | Shirik | worst date for worlds ever |
| 05:23.59 | Shirik | er |
| 05:24.01 | Shirik | for blizzcon |
| 05:24.24 | karl_w_w | why |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | http://wowtcg.cryptozoic.com/tournaments/world-championship |
| 05:26.08 | Shirik | oh I guess that doesn't have 2013 on it yet |
| 05:26.11 | Shirik | well it's the same date |
| 05:26.11 | kd3 | doesn't see any 2013 dates |
| 05:26.57 | Shirik | http://www.cryptozoic.com/downloads/files/2013_wow_op_schedule.jpg |
| 05:27.31 | kd3 | seriously? a jpg? |
| 05:27.36 | kd3 | grrs |
| 05:27.51 | Shirik | I didn't do it :( |
| 05:28.08 | kd3 | well, the world championship's the 7th-10th in LA. I think that may have been planned... |
| 05:28.25 | Shirik | they can't possibly do it AT blizzcon |
| 05:28.30 | Shirik | I mean it would be cool but there's no way |
| 05:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it was just as keikaku this whole time |
| 05:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | tl note: keikaku means plan |
| 05:33.32 | kd3 | *snrk* |
| 05:33.52 | Shirik | kd3, btw |
| 05:34.00 | Shirik | I blame you for not making me realize how awesome Stand Alone Complex s |
| 05:34.18 | kd3 | heh |
| 05:36.20 | tem | Shirik, why not? They did the GSL final at blizzcon last time |
| 05:38.31 | Shirik | I think people would be angry if they had to pay for a ticket to compete in a tournament |
| 05:38.42 | Shirik | I mean we did it in the past with Gen Con but I think Gen Con is a hell of a lot easier to get tickets to |
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| 05:38.45 | tem | oh you want to compete? |
| 05:38.54 | Shirik | oh hell no, I'd be judging it |
| 05:39.02 | tem | judging? |
| 05:39.03 | tem | nice |
| 05:39.07 | Shirik | I might actually be the head judge of worlds this year |
| 05:39.16 | Shirik | depends on who applies |
| 05:39.16 | tem | well that's quite prestigious |
| 05:39.19 | tem | how did that happen |
| 05:39.24 | kd3 | wtf; Explosion and major blaze at Kansas City shopping center after car crashes into gas main, 12 people injured (w/video) [Scary] |
| 05:39.29 | kd3 | http://fox4kc.com/2013/02/19/large-fire-burning-near-the-plaza/ |
| 05:40.45 | Shirik | tem: experience and knowing what you're doing. I'm on the rules team now (e.g., http://www.cryptozoic.com/downloads/files/wow_faq_s20_120215_betrayal.pdf ) |
| 05:41.08 | tem | very cool! |
| 05:41.24 | tem | Tell them to make Ulduar |
| 05:41.33 | tem | and include hero decks like they did for ICC |
| 05:42.06 | Shirik | that's really R&D's area :P However I want to see a new raid deck like Molten Core |
| 05:42.09 | tem | we don't play seriously and have to relearn the rules every time we do, but we LOVE the raid decks |
| 05:42.41 | tem | I like it when the boss mechanics are as faithful to the original game mechanics as possible while still being fun in the card game setting |
| 05:43.12 | Shirik | yeah I think they've done a good job of maintaining that |
| 05:43.19 | Shirik | the Shade of Aran card they just printed is really cool |
| 05:43.26 | Shirik | kinda complex though |
| 05:43.39 | tem | I haven't gotten the kharazan one yet |
| 05:43.57 | tem | got ICC, Magtheridon, BT |
| 05:44.16 | Mr_Rabies | i went to a pokemon card tournament once and got a mew card :3 |
| 05:44.40 | Mr_Rabies | literally my only experience in competitive card games |
| 05:44.46 | tem | I'll have to ask you more about it later |
| 05:44.51 | tem | my eyes are forcing themselves shut |
| 05:44.57 | tem | I have become a grampa |
| 05:45.07 | tem | go to bed so early I think I'm 90 |
| 05:46.19 | Shirik | ha |
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| 05:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | also that one time some jerk trapped my grandpa in a tv |
| 05:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | and i had to play competitive cardgames to save him |
| 05:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | also apparently i was possessed by a pharaoh or something? |
| 05:47.50 | Shirik | did you floop the pig? |
| 06:04.04 | tharper | did he what the what? |
| 06:11.32 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 06:11.34 | Fisker | hey tharper |
| 06:11.51 | tharper | morning fisker! |
| 06:15.01 | Fisker | that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me |
| 06:15.24 | tharper | awww |
| 06:20.01 | Fisker | so apparently 2 boys faceraped a girl and only got a fine |
| 06:20.14 | Fisker | facerape is apparently hacking facebook |
| 06:21.27 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 06:21.31 | jnwhiteh | so why did you do that? |
| 06:21.38 | jnwhiteh | and who was the other guy? |
| 06:21.39 | Fisker | i'm not 2 boys |
| 06:24.13 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 06:24.38 | Mr_Rabies | are there any other mount fights i'm missing that are reasonably soloable? ony, malygos, attumen? |
| 06:25.13 | kd3 | anzu, the third boss in utgarde keep heroic, kael in MgT |
| 06:25.31 | kd3 | er, utgarde pinnacle* |
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| 06:27.17 | kd3 | dunno how soloable maly is, for that matter |
| 06:27.47 | kd3 | if you can pull off the burst, don't forget about sarth3d |
| 06:29.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i got sarth already |
| 06:29.10 | Mr_Rabies | maly is super soloable |
| 06:29.18 | Mr_Rabies | guildie taught me a trick to final phase |
| 06:29.22 | Mr_Rabies | 1,1,2,3 |
| 06:29.33 | Mr_Rabies | keeps the debuff stacking and your heal rolling |
| 06:30.06 | Mr_Rabies | took like, 4 minutes total |
| 06:30.44 | Mr_Rabies | i might even try alysrazor |
| 06:32.37 | jnwhiteh | Curse 1099-MISC go out yet? |
| 06:46.59 | aggixx | Alys is pretty easy if you have a suitable spec at least |
| 06:47.18 | aggixx | I did 25n Alys on my Fire Mage earlier with reasonable crappy gear without too much trouble |
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| 07:08.24 | Mr_Rabies | is there anything that only drops from 25 or heroic alys? |
| 07:08.51 | aggixx | different loot on heroic, and there's way more loot in 25 than in 10s. So basically just xmog related |
| 07:09.18 | Mr_Rabies | as far as mounts, etc, it's the same, though, right? |
| 07:09.23 | aggixx | should be yeah |
| 07:10.14 | aggixx | So I'm having issues with my item caching implementation in my loot distribution addon. It works perfectly when group loot is on (because the blizzard loot UI forces a cache on everyone's client) but when it's on ffa some people will occasionally not be able to see some of the loot |
| 07:11.33 | aggixx | I have a function that before adding it an item to my addon's GUI it checks if the item is cached using GetItemInfo(), and if it's not it puts it into an array that gets checked every 200ms via an onupdate handler, and then when the item data is found it passes it back to the original function |
| 07:12.15 | aggixx | In my testing it does work correctly to cache items, but apparently it doesn't work 100% of the time |
| 07:12.39 | aggixx | relevant code here if anyone's kind enough to look into it: http://pastebin.com/iF23gttF |
| 07:17.23 | Mr_Rabies | holy hell |
| 07:17.32 | Mr_Rabies | the adds before alys are murdering me : |
| 07:17.33 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
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| 07:18.35 | aggixx | key is to know the strat, you just want to kite the beams of death and try to keep all the hatchlings following you standing in it |
| 07:19.06 | aggixx | so you basically tip-toe on the edge of the beam around in circles until the egg piles die |
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| 07:19.52 | zachwlewis | Does anyone know of a good resource for using the built-in AddOn tab in the Interface menu? |
| 07:20.11 | zachwlewis | (Resource as in tutorial or site, not external library.) |
| 07:20.16 | Mr_Rabies | so you kill the eggs using the adds directly, not by piloting them or attacking the eggs |
| 07:21.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeahhh, not really working |
| 07:22.10 | aggixx | it takes some practice in my experience, whatever you can do to be tanky and then just make sure anything that's on is standing in the beam |
| 07:24.37 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, not gonna worry about it |
| 07:24.43 | Mr_Rabies | it's cost me too much in repairs already |
| 07:25.21 | Mr_Rabies | the beams just hit the center and somehow still splash me for 60k a tick |
| 07:28.15 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, just tried again |
| 07:28.18 | Mr_Rabies | i die in like, two seconds |
| 07:28.32 | Cairenn | zachwlewis: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40444 has some of the information you'll be looking for |
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| 07:30.20 | zachwlewis | Cairenn: I looked through that earlier. It has lots of good base UI element information, but I couldn't find anything for the actual Settings panel; however, this seems like what I need: http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_the_Interface_Options_Addons_panel |
| 07:30.31 | Cairenn | nod |
| 07:30.48 | Cairenn | Just wasn't sure if you'd found that thread already or not. :) |
| 07:31.21 | Mr_Rabies | wowwiki is deprecated, use wowpedia, zachwlewis :o |
| 07:31.23 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowpedia.org/Using_the_Interface_Options_Addons_panel |
| 07:31.28 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 07:32.23 | zachwlewis | Good to know! |
| 07:35.43 | zachwlewis | Is "Version" a variable I need to define in the TOC, or is it referring to the WOW version the AddOn targets? |
| 07:37.05 | zachwlewis | Or, is it just some variable he's using? |
| 07:47.26 | zachwlewis | Here's the code I'm referring to. https://gist.github.com/zachwlewis/4993734 |
| 07:53.50 | zenzio | "Version" is for your addon's version; "Interface" is the UI/WoW version |
| 07:55.18 | zachwlewis | zenzio: Awesome. I wasn't sure where that value was coming from. My AddOn book is obviously... dated. |
| 08:10.16 | jnwhiteh | zachwlewis: which book? |
| 08:10.58 | zachwlewis | The only one on Safari, haha. "Beginning Lua with World of Warcraft Addons" |
| 08:11.28 | zachwlewis | It's my reference for when I can't easily find stuff with a single Google search. |
| 08:11.33 | jnwhiteh | ah, mine talks about where the version number comes from |
| 08:11.37 | jnwhiteh | that's why I asked |
| 08:11.58 | zachwlewis | Which book is yours, and why isn't it on Safari? |
| 08:12.07 | jnwhiteh | I don't know what 'Safari' is other than a web browser |
| 08:12.11 | zachwlewis | Also, can I purchase a digital version of it? |
| 08:12.13 | bluspacecow | wasn't aware you can buy books via there |
| 08:12.23 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/about |
| 08:12.37 | zachwlewis | http://www.safaribooksonline.com |
| 08:13.35 | jnwhiteh | its apparently on Kindle |
| 08:13.38 | jnwhiteh | which is news to me =) |
| 08:13.41 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 08:13.42 | jnwhiteh | I suppose I should get a copy of it :P |
| 08:13.49 | jnwhiteh | http://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraft-Programming-Reference-ebook/dp/B006RXL5GC |
| 08:13.50 | bluspacecow | gaaaahhhh |
| 08:13.58 | bluspacecow | busy on my computer for too late and missed dinner |
| 08:13.59 | zachwlewis | bluspacecow: You can, but I don't really buy books. I like the rental scheme. |
| 08:14.00 | bluspacecow | wot do ? |
| 08:14.18 | zachwlewis | bluspacecow: Eat the computer. |
| 08:14.23 | zachwlewis | Solved both your problems. |
| 08:15.07 | zachwlewis | Argh... I want to see what the Kindle version looks like! I want to be able to Ctrl+F and also copy and paste straight from the text. |
| 08:15.59 | zachwlewis | Tell you what, James. Just send me your cell number, and I'll text you all my questions. I'll also give you, like, $30. |
| 08:16.16 | zachwlewis | You make a friend, I don't get half a book I don't need! :P |
| 08:16.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:16.53 | zachwlewis | Actually... yeah. I would totally pay that. |
| 08:17.16 | haste | asking here tends to be fairly fast _and_ free :) |
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| 08:17.54 | zachwlewis | Right, but if people actually *go* to dinner, then there's no way to reach them _via_ IRC. |
| 08:18.10 | haste | but we're from all over the world! |
| 08:18.15 | haste | we don't eat dinner at the same time :) |
| 08:19.31 | zachwlewis | I appreciate that value, but if I have a single source I can always reach who has a working knowledge of our history, I don't have to reiterate myself and I can get exactly the information I need, catered to me. |
| 08:26.08 | zachwlewis | Do I need to do anything special to save a Saved Variable other than declare it in the TOC and assign a value to it in script? |
| 08:26.33 | haste | other than logging out or reloading the ui, nope |
| 08:26.41 | zachwlewis | Wonderful. |
| 08:43.40 | Maldivia | haste: is a reload enough now? a restart is no longer required? |
| 08:44.51 | haste | it's always been enough |
| 08:48.55 | Maldivia | hmm, ok |
| 08:50.22 | haste | and you don't really need to restart either |
| 08:50.22 | Maldivia | I just thought I remembered a time where any change to the .toc would be ignore without a restart (I know that was remedied at some point, but still thought the #-lines weren't reread) |
| 08:50.28 | haste | character selection screen is far enough |
| 08:50.38 | haste | the TOC is only updated on restarts |
| 08:51.20 | haste | _might_ be enough to drop out to the login screen, but I'm slightly unsure about that |
| 08:51.39 | Maldivia | yeah ok, talking about different things, I was thinking declaring a new saved variable and saving in |
| 08:52.02 | Maldivia | for already declared, yeah a reload should suffice |
| 08:52.42 | haste | I'd test the new variable -> logout thingy now, but I doubt I can get WoW running on my machine at work :P |
| 08:53.02 | Maldivia | heh |
| 08:53.13 | Maldivia | I don't even have wow on this computer, so |
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| 12:01.54 | Arrowmaster | its fucking 7am and the neighbor is running his god damn tractor |
| 12:03.49 | karl_w_w | I never knew you lived on a farm Arrowmaster |
| 12:04.01 | Arrowmaster | i dont, i live in the middle of a fucking city |
| 12:04.12 | Humbedooh | such harsh language ;o |
| 12:04.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont want to hear a tractor at 7am |
| 12:04.45 | karl_w_w | a tractor in the city? well that makes even less sense that being able to hear your neighbour's goings on when you live on a farm |
| 12:06.25 | karl_w_w | i catch a paper boy |
| 12:06.29 | karl_w_w | but things don't really change |
| 12:06.38 | karl_w_w | im standing in the wing |
| 12:06.40 | karl_w_w | wind |
| 12:06.45 | karl_w_w | but i never wave bye bye |
| 12:06.59 | Arrowmaster | who broke karl_w_w |
| 12:06.59 | karl_w_w | but i try |
| 12:07.02 | karl_w_w | i try |
| 12:07.09 | karl_w_w | there's no sign of life |
| 12:07.19 | karl_w_w | its the power to charm |
| 12:07.23 | karl_w_w | im lying in the rain |
| 12:07.27 | karl_w_w | but i never wave bye bye |
| 12:08.14 | karl_w_w | fixed*, Arrowmaster |
| 12:25.38 | VIad | hi karl_w_w, need someone to talk to? |
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| 13:06.06 | VIad | Xloot bug figured out! |
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| 13:11.34 | karl_w_w | no VIad, I need some modern love |
| 13:12.19 | VIad | karl_w_w: :( |
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| 13:27.31 | VIad | karl_w_w: bored at work? |
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| 14:01.02 | karl_w_w | lol awesome phrase |
| 14:01.09 | karl_w_w | "either shit or get off the toilet" |
| 14:30.22 | karl_w_w | 3rd windiest city in the world, current conditions: Wind Calm |
| 14:30.23 | karl_w_w | Wind Gusts 0km/h |
| 14:31.57 | zenzio | well that was brilliant. gzip an SQL file, then delete the .gz and scp the .sql instead |
| 14:37.08 | zenzio | thankfully it was only a 23 MB file, not the 1.5 GB I was working with yesterday (gzipped, 3 GB uncompressed) |
| 14:37.26 | zenzio | granted the dump was a little verbose, I'm thinking someone could've done things differently in that database |
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| 15:10.28 | Dagmar | zenzio: You don't have compression enabled by default for ssh? |
| 15:10.42 | Dagmar | That would kinda eliminate needing to care about compressing the file beforehand |
| 15:12.18 | karl_w_w | god damn pet battle system is so fucked |
| 15:12.32 | karl_w_w | people exploit actual bugs and there is no way to report them |
| 15:14.14 | znf | karl_w_w, like? |
| 15:14.35 | znf | what consists as a bug/exploit to you regarding battle pets? |
| 15:15.57 | karl_w_w | ppl can glitch it so they just play a whole bunch of rounds |
| 15:16.01 | karl_w_w | and u cant do anything |
| 15:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | Why is there no way to report them? Did they take out the ticket system? |
| 15:16.46 | karl_w_w | u cant see their name |
| 15:17.55 | znf | Are you sure they glitch and they're not using some pet abilities which you may not know about? |
| 15:18.14 | znf | also, there's no rewards from those, so I doubt they'll be doing anything about it |
| 15:20.34 | karl_w_w | incoming slippery slope discussion about how there is no reward from anything in the game |
| 15:21.03 | znf | There's no slippery slope - pet battles provide no actual reward, especially the PvP ones, which is why they don't even track losses... |
| 15:22.11 | karl_w_w | so why do people do them if there's no reward? |
| 15:22.16 | TC-work | For fun |
| 15:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Because they're bored? Waiting for raids? |
| 15:22.22 | TC-work | which is it's own reward.... |
| 15:22.33 | karl_w_w | thanks TC-work |
| 15:22.53 | TC-work | I do what i can to cause trouble karl_w_w |
| 15:22.55 | karl_w_w | it's like you read my mind |
| 15:23.01 | TC-work | ew |
| 15:23.05 | karl_w_w | wanna make out? |
| 15:23.12 | TC-work | well, kinda |
| 15:23.15 | TC-work | just not with you |
| 15:23.23 | karl_w_w | fair enough |
| 15:24.19 | karl_w_w | ooh I just flew up the ancient passage |
| 15:26.20 | karl_w_w | nearly just typed my internet banking password in here |
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| 15:26.58 | karl_w_w | not that it would matter, the thing is so weak anyway |
| 15:27.00 | TC-work | pfft, like we want your millions |
| 15:27.43 | karl_w_w | lol it must be bugged actually, it's currently showing my balance to be double what it really is |
| 15:28.09 | karl_w_w | i should spend it all and see what they do |
| 15:32.33 | TC-work | Make you pay back the money |
| 15:32.44 | TC-work | It's a gray form of theft |
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| 15:33.35 | karl_w_w | i didnt know i didnt have that money! |
| 15:33.52 | karl_w_w | i thought money just had sex in my account and multiplied! |
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| 15:56.56 | Shirik | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278111/Operation-overkill-Armed-cops-swoop-Action-Man-looking-mortar-owner-posts-picture-TOY-weapon-Facebook.html |
| 15:59.36 | karl_w_w | rofl |
| 16:00.15 | karl_w_w | that picture of it |
| 16:00.41 | karl_w_w | but, is that the world's smallest playstation? |
| 16:00.53 | karl_w_w | it's smaller than that remote control |
| 16:03.10 | Semlar | mortars aren't illegal |
| 16:03.30 | Semlar | well, i guess that might depend on the state |
| 16:03.31 | karl_w_w | maybe not in your lands |
| 16:03.46 | Jammer | they aren't? why would anyone need a mortar :D |
| 16:04.11 | TC-work | To launch things |
| 16:04.17 | karl_w_w | hey Semlar, that TLD? |
| 16:04.19 | Semlar | competitions and stuff |
| 16:04.55 | Semlar | that guy on pawn stars buys cannons and old guns as long as they were made before the 1900s or something |
| 16:06.20 | karl_w_w | I still don't understand that picture |
| 16:06.51 | Semlar | well, it's the daily mail |
| 16:06.59 | Semlar | who the hell knows if this is even true |
| 16:07.07 | karl_w_w | it probably is |
| 16:07.22 | karl_w_w | but the playstation is so small |
| 16:07.30 | karl_w_w | 's brain explodes |
| 16:07.45 | Semlar | maybe it's a toy playstation |
| 16:07.58 | Semlar | maybe it's a giant remote |
| 16:08.50 | karl_w_w | and the cable on the left of the PS is to scale with the PS |
| 16:08.51 | Semlar | it could be the ps2 slim |
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| 16:09.30 | karl_w_w | the top section still has to be big enough for a regular sized dvd |
| 16:10.13 | Semlar | it's difficult to say how big it actually is because of perspective |
| 16:10.16 | TC-work | Yea, It's a ps2 slim |
| 16:10.18 | TC-work | I have one |
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| 16:20.30 | Arrow|phone | Two systems to finish and I'm done for the day |
| 16:21.59 | Arrow|phone | Too bad I get paid hourly, but lucky for my wallet these two are probably going to take a long time to pull in all the group policies |
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| 16:42.31 | Semlar | is there a way to get wowi to email you when someone posts a message on your addon |
| 16:42.57 | End_ | yes |
| 16:43.06 | End_ | now you're gonna ask how |
| 16:43.13 | Semlar | you don't know that! |
| 16:43.27 | End_ | oh ok |
| 16:43.33 | Semlar | i was going to link a picture of a kitten in a mortar http://www.buckstix.com/images/mortar%20kitty.jpg |
| 16:43.58 | Unkle | FIRE ZE KITTEH MISSILES! |
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| 16:44.16 | Shirik | that is where all kittens should be placed |
| 16:44.45 | Semlar | how do i get wowi to email me when someone posts a message on my addon |
| 16:44.56 | End_ | comment options > email feeds |
| 16:45.05 | End_ | on the addon comments page |
| 16:45.41 | Unkle | All I want are two giant deathstar power-level laser cannons named "Reason" and "Logic." Then I would win every argument. Unless they were broken, in which case either my Reason or Logic would be invalid. |
| 16:46.13 | Semlar | it seems like you should be autosubscribed to your own addons |
| 16:46.23 | karl_w_w | silly Unkle |
| 16:46.39 | karl_w_w | why would you want such powerful weapons that have no effect on morons? |
| 16:47.26 | Unkle | The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Internet? |
| 16:48.36 | Shirik | Unkle: On the internet, neither reason nor logic ever wins |
| 16:48.45 | Shirik | also, you might appreciate this |
| 16:48.57 | Semlar | they don't really win in real life either |
| 16:49.03 | Shirik | Unkle: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323495104578314240032274944.html#articleTabs%3Darticle |
| 16:50.33 | Unkle | Shirik: The whole "sequester" nonsense is like putting a padlock on the fridge to make you diet. In the end, when you get hungry, you just order pizza anyway. |
| 16:50.49 | Shirik | I really like that analogy |
| 16:50.54 | Kaylin | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/topics/security/javacpufeb2013update-1905892.html |
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| 16:51.27 | Shirik | I'm just glad someone is speaking out about "the president doesn't actually compromise and just whines when he doesn't get his way" |
| 16:52.55 | Unkle | Shirik: Congress hasn't come up with a new budget in ages - they're just passing "continuing resolutions" to avoid having to face the realities of the nation's fiscal state. Every member of the House and the Senate and the President are all culpable here. |
| 16:53.28 | Unkle | And yes, the "sequester" idea came out of the White House and not from the Hill. |
| 16:55.26 | Corrodias | i can tell this article is even-handed and only concerned with the facts, not editorial commentay |
| 16:55.36 | Corrodias | hahaaaaa politics, no, such things do not exist |
| 16:57.27 | Unkle | Considering that it's written by the Speaker of the House, and a member of the party opposed to the party of the current President, and published in a Murdoch paper with a history of right-leaning tendencies... not surprising. |
| 16:57.34 | Corrodias | i hate the person who wrote this so much, and also the people he's talking about in it |
| 16:58.04 | karl_w_w | just found a soft drink that uses lutein as it's food colouring |
| 16:58.39 | Corrodias | look at this shit, "Congress reluctantly accepted the president's demand for the sequester" is tucked away neatly in the 7th paragraph, just sweeping his own people's culpability under the rug so he can throw darts at his target of choosing undeterred. |
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| 17:06.34 | Semlar | THANKS, OBAMA |
| 17:09.10 | karl_w_w | for restoring some sort of respectability to the office? |
| 17:09.21 | Shirik | Unkle: Oh I agree with that, I'm just sick of the whole media saying "EVERYTHING IS REPUBLICANS' FAULT |
| 17:09.26 | Shirik | because that's what Obama says |
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| 17:19.42 | Semlar | does anyone know how the game decides what order to layer textures in, because it's definitely not the order they're created |
| 17:20.42 | Semlar | my only guess is that it's waiting for the texture to load before it puts it somewhere |
| 17:21.58 | foxlit | layers, Semlar. |
| 17:22.15 | Semlar | i need to draw a lot of textures and i need to make sure they aren't clipping each other but putting each one in a frame is kind of a last resort |
| 17:23.12 | Arrow|phone | There's layers and framelevels |
| 17:23.37 | Semlar | they only go up to like 8 or 9, it's not going to be enough |
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| 17:23.56 | Arrow|phone | Frame levels? |
| 17:24.01 | Semlar | texture layers |
| 17:24.12 | Semlar | textures don't have frame levels |
| 17:24.24 | Arrow|phone | I didn't think they were limited |
| 17:24.37 | Semlar | let me check |
| 17:24.49 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can't set the frame level of a texture |
| 17:25.21 | nevcairiel | they have draw layers and sub layers |
| 17:25.40 | Semlar | yeah, textures don't have the SetFrameLevel method |
| 17:25.53 | Semlar | you have to put them in a frame |
| 17:26.22 | nevcairiel | between draw layers and their sub layers, you can usually arrange what you need |
| 17:26.33 | Semlar | nah, it's not going to be enough |
| 17:27.03 | Semlar | there are a lot of textures |
| 17:27.09 | Arrow|phone | I never had any issues working on instance maps |
| 17:27.13 | Semlar | and they absolutely have to be in the right order |
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| 17:35.26 | Semlar | putting them in frames appears to work so i'll just do that for now |
| 17:36.02 | Semlar | do frames ever get garbage collected |
| 17:36.15 | nevcairiel | no |
| 17:36.44 | nevcairiel | the lua table will, but parts of it stick around |
| 17:36.55 | Semlar | i'll just recycle them |
| 17:39.07 | Semlar | if i recycle them i'll have to manually set the levels anyway |
| 17:39.58 | Semlar | well, when you create a frame it automatically sets its level, but is there a way to duplicate that behavior by resetting the parent or something |
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| 17:40.34 | nevcairiel | it just sets the level to parent+1, you can easily manually do that |
| 17:41.12 | Semlar | is it really just the parent + 1, i thought it layered them based on the order they were created |
| 17:42.15 | Semlar | like, if i were to create 3 frames on the same parent, the third one i create would be on top of the other 2 |
| 17:42.37 | Semlar | i don't know if it's actual frame level would be any different |
| 17:42.56 | nevcairiel | it has to use some order when drawing frames of the same level |
| 17:43.35 | Semlar | if i reparent a frame do you suppose it'll move it to the top |
| 17:43.54 | nevcairiel | try it? :p |
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| 17:43.59 | Semlar | >_> |
| 17:44.11 | Semlar | oh alright |
| 17:46.47 | Arrowmaster` | Frames have like 3 different controls for level |
| 17:47.08 | Arrowmaster` | Frame level, layer, and an on top toggle |
| 17:47.53 | karl_w_w | anyone speak german? what is "losgelegt"? |
| 17:48.32 | Semlar | it does appear to work |
| 17:49.01 | Semlar | as long as i set its parent to a different frame then set it back |
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| 17:49.15 | Semlar | seems to put it back on top |
| 17:50.03 | Semlar | i just wanted to make sure i could recycle the frame and still have it behave like a new one |
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| 17:53.11 | jnwhiteh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vdJrQFMFnc |
| 17:53.12 | jnwhiteh | lulz. |
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| 17:59.48 | Semlar | http://imgur.com/a/2m56h which one of these looks better |
| 18:00.17 | TC-work | depends what you are trying to look at |
| 18:00.25 | TC-work | but for the sake of clarity, top |
| 18:02.20 | Beautiuz | depends if you wanne see what is under dalaran or not |
| 18:06.00 | Semlar | as you zoom into the city, would you rather dalaran fade out so you can see what's inside of it, or stay solid and have the indoor areas appear on top of it |
| 18:06.17 | Arrow|phone | Damn its cold |
| 18:08.48 | Beautiuz | If you zoom in enough, then let dalaran fade so you can see what is under it? |
| 18:09.18 | Semlar | if you zoom "past" an object it will disappear |
| 18:09.48 | Semlar | right now it's solid if you're above it |
| 18:09.52 | Beautiuz | that i would say, fade the roofs, so you can see inside it |
| 18:09.56 | Semlar | and then fades out if you're inside of it |
| 18:10.00 | Beautiuz | then* |
| 18:10.14 | Beautiuz | if you zoom in close enought that is |
| 18:10.31 | Semlar | but then the underbelly is under the ground |
| 18:10.53 | Semlar | should it still appear above dalaran |
| 18:11.01 | Beautiuz | btw, anyone using the addon "Aura Frames"? |
| 18:11.37 | Beautiuz | underbelly? |
| 18:11.42 | Beautiuz | of dalaran? |
| 18:12.00 | Semlar | the big greenish area |
| 18:12.41 | Semlar | if i just fade out the roofs like in the first image, when you zoom in enough the underbelly will appear above everything else |
| 18:12.46 | Beautiuz | can you make it so the ground of dalaran is not faded, but only the roof tops if you are lets say 10m above dalaran? |
| 18:13.02 | Beautiuz | hmmm, how come? |
| 18:13.41 | Semlar | well i'm not really fading out the roofs i'm fading *in* the indoor areas, it just gives it that effect |
| 18:13.55 | Beautiuz | k |
| 18:14.06 | Beautiuz | what kind of tool/program are you using for this? |
| 18:14.09 | Semlar | and then as you zoom closer, the higher level areas in dalaran will be disappearing |
| 18:14.17 | Semlar | so that'll just leave the underbelly |
| 18:14.23 | Beautiuz | I see |
| 18:15.10 | Semlar | it's in-game |
| 18:15.22 | Semlar | it's an addon i'm working on |
| 18:15.39 | Beautiuz | hmmm can you make view windows then? |
| 18:16.00 | Semlar | elaborate |
| 18:16.04 | Beautiuz | are just using overlay pics over eachother? |
| 18:16.33 | Semlar | i'm overlaying a lot of textures over each other |
| 18:16.38 | Beautiuz | view windows, are windows with an other camera in the world then your normal camera |
| 18:16.43 | Beautiuz | ow okay :) |
| 18:17.18 | Beautiuz | (character preview is a nice example of a different view window) |
| 18:17.31 | Semlar | well this is all inside its own window |
| 18:17.37 | Semlar | it's just a map |
| 18:17.43 | Beautiuz | k |
| 18:17.58 | karl_w_w | ooh 5 hours to playstation announcement |
| 18:19.07 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/pI6bgHW.jpg this is the whole screen |
| 18:20.03 | Beautiuz | I see |
| 18:20.09 | Beautiuz | (pizza in 14 min!) |
| 18:20.46 | Semlar | so you want a solid dalaran with everything inside of it displayed on top of it |
| 18:20.49 | mikma | semlar: hnnnngggh |
| 18:21.16 | Beautiuz | cant you just show every layer for full |
| 18:21.33 | Beautiuz | and when using the scroll button of the mouse, make layer for layer transparent? |
| 18:22.42 | Semlar | mikma are you having a stroke |
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| 18:22.53 | Semlar | do you want me to call somebody |
| 18:27.32 | Arrow|phone | Fuck, the group policies got pushed to my last machine, gota either find more work or fake working for the rest of the day |
| 18:35.12 | pompy | http://nerdreactor.com/2013/02/20/google-glass-now-you-can-be-geordi-la-forge/ |
| 18:36.16 | Fisker | old |
| 18:36.53 | pompy | fu |
| 18:42.22 | End_ | hm |
| 18:42.34 | End_ | SetCursor doesn't seem to work with custom textures in DX11 mode |
| 18:42.48 | End_ | or even normal textures if given the full path |
| 18:43.11 | End_ | (er the included cursors textures in Interface\Cursors I mean) |
| 18:43.49 | Semlar | maybe it's automatically prepending the path to the cursor directory |
| 18:44.09 | End_ | I don't think that's why it isn't working |
| 18:44.20 | End_ | it works fine in DX9 anyway |
| 18:46.27 | foxlit | End_: what exactly does "doesn't work" mean in this case? |
| 18:47.46 | End_ | it uses a black texture |
| 18:49.19 | foxlit | /run SetCursor("Interface/Icons/Temp") seems to render okay for me on dx11 |
| 18:49.44 | End_ | hmmmmm |
| 18:49.48 | End_ | it does for me too |
| 18:51.46 | mikma | semlar: more pretty map addons |
| 18:52.00 | End_ | none of the Interface/Cursor ones are still working for me though |
| 18:52.53 | foxlit | /run SetCursor("TAXI_CURSOR") |
| 18:53.36 | End_ | that worked, but the full name wasn't buttttt I think I was typing the name wrong |
| 18:53.50 | End_ | (ie Interface/Cursor/...) |
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| 18:54.51 | Semlar | none of those scripts do anything on my client |
| 18:55.03 | End_ | don't mouse over world frame |
| 18:55.29 | End_ | or I guess, mouse over something that is mouse enabled |
| 18:55.42 | Semlar | okay |
| 18:55.55 | Semlar | it just immediately replaces it |
| 18:56.01 | Semlar | interesting |
| 18:58.08 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.27 | End_ | yeah I think I was bad at typing |
| 18:58.41 | End_ | I think something is just wrong with my custom blank cursor |
| 19:01.09 | End_ | there isn't a completely transparent texture laying around in the interface files somewhere I can lazily use, is there? |
| 19:02.12 | Semlar | not that i'm aware of |
| 19:02.26 | Semlar | it would be a pain to browse for too |
| 19:02.46 | End_ | oh wait, maybe I'm overthinking this |
| 19:02.58 | Semlar | you're trying to just hide the cursor? |
| 19:03.16 | End_ | yes, but I only care if hardware cursor isn't enabled |
| 19:03.21 | End_ | so |
| 19:03.29 | Semlar | well there must be a way to do it because when you left click it does |
| 19:03.32 | End_ | I should probably just stop because it doesn't matter |
| 19:04.04 | End_ | that's probably handled lower level |
| 19:05.44 | End_ | ok, yeah the cursor doesn't show up in screenshots when hardware cursor is enabled, and the cursor is being properly hidden by my custom cursor when it *isn't* enabled, so I really didn't have to fix anything |
| 19:06.08 | Semlar | problem solved |
| 19:06.51 | Semlar | ah, the underbelly actually has parts under it |
| 19:06.58 | Semlar | this must be the arena |
| 19:08.51 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/xewcefQ.jpg this is with the lowest areas shown above the higher ones |
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| 19:14.33 | Semlar | i guess i didn't really think about where the water came from |
| 19:15.12 | Semlar | there's 3 pipes that dump it into the center |
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| 19:30.32 | bleeter | karl_w_w: I've heard the same about The Economist |
| 19:32.09 | karl_w_w | i restarted my pc like 7 hours ago so i dont even have the scrollback to see how delayed that reaction was :P |
| 19:34.15 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 19:34.21 | Fisker | i got years of scrollback here |
| 19:34.24 | Fisker | does that upset you? |
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| 19:35.56 | karl_w_w | no |
| 19:36.03 | karl_w_w | it does depress me though |
| 19:38.44 | Semlar | someone just challenged me to a duel in the underbelly on the ptr |
| 19:38.51 | Semlar | why is anyone else even here |
| 19:39.04 | Humbedooh | fishing? |
| 19:39.06 | kd3 | because they've gotta measure their epeen somehow |
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| 19:43.07 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 19:43.10 | Fisker | look at my epeen |
| 19:43.24 | Semlar | *gets out the magnifying glass* |
| 19:44.24 | Fisker | understandable at this range you would definitely need to reverse the lensing effect in order to have my entire epeen in your field of view |
| 19:45.02 | Semlar | MAGNIFYING GLASSES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY |
| 19:48.22 | znf | So, back in 4.x, there was a "blank" texture that addons were using. When MoP hit, that texture disappeared and we were left with green borders/backgrounds all around. How did authors fix it? |
| 19:48.43 | Semlar | not linking to missing textures |
| 19:51.02 | Semlar | i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 19:51.12 | Torhal|work | So they're only adding a raid instance to 5.2? No dungeons? |
| 19:51.38 | znf | Semlar, a skin I'm trying to edit for an addon had stuff like: |
| 19:51.38 | znf | HighlightTexture = "", |
| 19:51.50 | kd3 | yup |
| 19:51.55 | kd3 | and a bunch of single-player scenarios |
| 19:51.56 | znf | this used to work pre-5.0 |
| 19:52.02 | Fisker | they do actually Semlar |
| 19:52.02 | kd3 | most of which can only be done once |
| 19:52.12 | Torhal|work | kd3: Danke. Trying to figure out what all I needed to add to CRT2. |
| 19:52.23 | Torhal|work | Looks like I'm done, then, since I already added Throne of Thunder. |
| 19:54.30 | VIad | Semlar: this is kind of neat |
| 19:54.39 | Semlar | znf: i just tried SetTexture('') and it removes the texture, it doesn't make it green |
| 19:54.54 | znf | Hmmm, no idea how to explain it then |
| 19:54.56 | VIad | if you run apache and have a virtual server, you can't access it unless you edit your hosts file and assign your IP a domain :D |
| 19:55.30 | Semlar | it's only green if the path doesn't exist |
| 19:55.45 | VIad | like http://sub.<IP> won't work but if you edit your hosts file and add "<IP> sub.localhost" for instance it works to access it :p |
| 19:56.48 | Semlar | sub.ip won't work because it's not a domain |
| 19:56.53 | karl_w_w | or if you just set up your internet gateway properly |
| 19:57.07 | Semlar | you need a dns |
| 19:57.28 | VIad | not if you use hosts file to trick it Semlar |
| 19:57.39 | VIad | becomes a secret site :D |
| 19:57.49 | Semlar | localhost is just your computer |
| 19:57.50 | VIad | only accessible if the user adds the required data in their hosts file hehe |
| 19:57.55 | VIad | try it |
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| 19:58.09 | VIad | add this to your hosts file: 31.45.121.128 it.localhost |
| 19:58.18 | VIad | and you can access my virtual host website |
| 19:58.43 | VIad | it's the only way unless I get a public domain and link it up with my ip :P |
| 19:59.25 | Semlar | you could just make it a subdirectory |
| 19:59.37 | Arrow|phone | Or you could just properly configure apache so the site is accessible from just the ip |
| 19:59.44 | karl_w_w | all you're doing there is telling windows to resolve it.localhost to that ip |
| 20:00.06 | karl_w_w | it has nothing to do with localhost or anything else |
| 20:00.39 | karl_w_w | you could have put 31.45.121.128 it.awesomecocksuck and it would work just the same |
| 20:00.44 | VIad | I know :P |
| 20:00.49 | Arrow|phone | Its all about how apache is configured |
| 20:01.07 | VIad | Arrowmaster I specifically made this separate |
| 20:01.11 | Arrow|phone | Most people get it wrong |
| 20:02.08 | VIad | I just made it so that it was separate from my normal "domain" |
| 20:02.46 | VIad | but not sure if multiple virtual hosts work if you only have IP access :P |
| 20:03.35 | bleeter | flibitijibibo (Ethan Lee, Mac and Linux porter) is thinking about starting a resource for new Linux gaming devs. if you're interested, etc. please contact him :) https://twitter.com/flibitijibibo/status/304066997224882177 http://www.flibitijibibo.com/ |
| 20:20.24 | bleeter | (via The Twitters) Sony patented a thing for spontaneous celebrations of burgers: http://i.imgur.com/Dvvy0Yu.png |
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| 20:56.22 | zenzelezz | oh, MMOs... nothing like watching a 20+ minute fight on chat that somehow spawned from some person wanting a buff |
| 20:58.00 | mikma | bleeter: hmmh, not bad |
| 21:00.03 | bleeter | also, mojam is underway \o/ http://www.mojang.com/ |
| 21:00.39 | bleeter | "Watch live, as Mojang and friends create games from scratch in the span of three days! Pay what you want to get the games, and all proceeds go to your choice of two excellent charities!" (Block By BLock and EFF) |
| 21:01.01 | bleeter | ^^ the humblebundle edition thingie |
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| 21:20.36 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/MAvf65T.jpg does that look alright |
| 21:20.56 | Semlar | if you're zoomed in to look at the underbelly |
| 21:21.16 | kd3 | yah |
| 21:21.24 | Semlar | i shouldn't fade out dalaran or anything |
| 21:24.24 | Semlar | what about this http://i.imgur.com/b07qJzl.jpg |
| 21:25.27 | kd3 | I like that better - much more obvious that you're looking at the underbelly |
| 21:25.29 | bleeter | I *think* this is 'old news' here, but for those who missed the WebGL 3D game type foo... http://crypt-webgl.unigine.com/index.html |
| 21:26.44 | Semlar | i'm not even sure how i would code it like this |
| 21:26.46 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 21:35.19 | Semlar | if i did sort of a progressive fade the above ground stuff would look like this http://i.imgur.com/coWpSZP.jpg |
| 21:35.31 | Semlar | i think that's probably alright |
| 21:42.13 | Semlar | kd3 you think i should progressively fade out the background or set it to a specific alpha whenever you show any indoor stuff like this http://i.imgur.com/dtIhVU5.jpg |
| 21:43.59 | Semlar | it does make the areas stand out more |
| 21:47.53 | Beautiuz | bleeter: not bad, but i miss bump mapping (or something like that) and i see some texture overlay issues (chrome + gtx580 on win7) |
| 21:48.40 | Beautiuz | but webgl is fun, but its based on opengl which is still not up to dx3d11 |
| 21:49.32 | bleeter | it's certainly a lot better than where webgl was a couple of years ago |
| 21:50.22 | bleeter | (webgl, that is) hopefully it'll get opengl off their backsides somewhat ;) |
| 21:50.24 | Beautiuz | true, and it is promissing for online games without a client |
| 21:50.42 | Beautiuz | hmmm |
| 21:50.46 | Beautiuz | dont think so |
| 21:51.04 | Beautiuz | dx11 is the only other option, and its way to much protected my mickysoft |
| 21:51.18 | nebula169 | Semlar kd3 what is this addon you two are always going back and forth on |
| 21:51.27 | Beautiuz | there is a dx => opengl interface for wine on linux tho |
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| 21:51.53 | bleeter | Beautiuz: webgl should be be VERY interesting on the valve box, etc. once (if ever) w3c decide how to deal with DRM foo |
| 21:51.58 | Semlar | nebula169: it's a mappy thing |
| 21:52.29 | nebula169 | that much i've gathered :p do you have it posted somewhere? |
| 21:52.42 | Semlar | no it's not really usable yet |
| 21:52.50 | nebula169 | ah |
| 21:53.09 | Semlar | i'm still working on figuring out how i want it to look and behave |
| 21:53.37 | Semlar | which, admittedly is taking forever |
| 21:53.48 | Beautiuz | bleeter: i dont think w3c will ever start with a standard for drm (i hope not tho) |
| 21:54.18 | Beautiuz | but on the otherside, come companies will be likely to start doing more stuff online if there is a good drm standaard |
| 21:54.33 | Beautiuz | but if there is a drm standaard then everyone could hack it easily |
| 21:54.54 | Beautiuz | ms drm only works because no one knows the technical implementation |
| 21:57.16 | Beautiuz | damn, im rewriting my addon (Aura Frames) and I decided to keep the code really clean and with lots of comments. Done 500 lines now or so of the 25-30k... never going to keep this up, going way to slow |
| 21:57.26 | Beautiuz | but im quite happy with the result tho, for example: http://www.wowace.com/paste/7171/ |
| 21:59.24 | Beautiuz | Now im on it, anyone got any tips/comments on that coding style? |
| 21:59.30 | Beautiuz | or the code it self :P |
| 21:59.43 | AcidWeb | Beautiuz: There is one tip about code refactoring. |
| 21:59.50 | AcidWeb | Just DONT. |
| 21:59.51 | AcidWeb | :D |
| 21:59.58 | Beautiuz | :D |
| 22:00.21 | Beautiuz | You even dont wanne know in what kind of editor i wrote the 25k lines of code :P |
| 22:00.27 | Beautiuz | Notepad2 ftw :P |
| 22:00.58 | bleeter | Beautiuz: yeah there was a presenation at linux.conf.au this year about html 5 and video conferencing and stuff and the DRM issue came up in that context, which is a very interesting point. you may want to use free and open codecs but drm the stream, or the whole page etc. |
| 22:01.08 | Beautiuz | But i want to change quite some stuff. Aura Frames works good, but its going outside the initial thought |
| 22:01.11 | bleeter | Beautiuz: certainly got me thinking |
| 22:02.56 | Beautiuz | bleeter: yea, the problem of drm is that is use "hidden" technics or a certificate or something that is really good hidden in the code, because if ppl get their hands on it, they can easily stip the drm from a file or stream |
| 22:03.52 | Beautiuz | ms could release drm software for linux but it wouldnt be opensource, and most linux distrubtions wouldnt like to include it |
| 22:03.59 | bleeter | Beautiuz: and it's only a short step from there to signed bootloaders etc. |
| 22:04.09 | nevcairiel | eh not really, knowing how encryption works doesnt help you if its good encryption |
| 22:04.42 | Beautiuz | the client software need to decrypte it without the user being able to do it him self |
| 22:05.05 | nevcairiel | all it needs is secure storage of its certificate, the algorithm can be well documented |
| 22:05.06 | Beautiuz | so the certificate or common secret key would be hidden in the code |
| 22:05.34 | Beautiuz | true, but how do you prevent the end user to access those certificate if he have root access? |
| 22:05.51 | bleeter | the best encryption in the world can be easily defeated by a simple process chain slip up on one product |
| 22:05.58 | nevcairiel | thats why its called "secure storage" |
| 22:06.47 | Beautiuz | a secure storage is most of the time protected by access (os rights) or a secret key/password |
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| 22:07.10 | Beautiuz | but both aren't working if the software need the key to open it but the user cant have the key |
| 22:07.26 | Beautiuz | to extract a key from software isnt that diffecult most of the times |
| 22:08.42 | Beautiuz | If you know how the secure store is working and how it is implementented, then its quite easy with a good disasm to get the key from the software using it, especialy when its a lib that is handling the secure store |
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| 23:25.39 | smcn | heh playstation 4 is going to have wow's "streaming download" for downloadable releases |
| 23:25.52 | smcn | where you can start playing before the entire dl is finished |
| 23:26.16 | p3lim | http://live.polygon.com/ps4-sony-playstation-4-live-blog/ |
| 23:26.19 | p3lim | Liveblog |
| 23:26.29 | xyphoid | does it play games |
| 23:26.33 | p3lim | Missed the first 20 minutes so just following that instead |
| 23:26.34 | p3lim | Barely |
| 23:26.35 | foxlit | live video > blogs :) |
| 23:27.45 | bleeter | does it have the itunes app stores!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!!!?!?!?! |
| 23:28.03 | smcn | http://www.giantbomb.com/chat/ is what i'm watching, it's like a press conference rifftrax |
| 23:28.06 | p3lim | They said it's gonna last a few hours? :p |
| 23:28.08 | p3lim | Jeez |
| 23:28.19 | bleeter | I also heard something about blast processing \o/ |
| 23:28.20 | p3lim | Still haven't seen the console itself and it's specs |
| 23:28.46 | smcn | 8gb ram |
| 23:28.49 | foxlit | pc, x86, 8 gb gddr5 ram. |
| 23:28.50 | smcn | and x86 |
| 23:29.00 | bleeter | and no backwards compat? |
| 23:29.11 | smcn | dunno yet |
| 23:29.52 | bleeter | suspect there may be some compat layer that some games may work on. otherwise, cutting off nose despite face |
| 23:29.55 | Kalroth | highly doubt it |
| 23:30.07 | Kalroth | ps3 and ps4 are going to be miles apart |
| 23:30.12 | Kalroth | in terms of technology |
| 23:30.21 | Kalroth | ps4 more like pc4 |
| 23:31.44 | bleeter | maybe they'll just use the PS3 disc as a licence key to d/l the PS4 port (if a vendor has ported) |
| 23:31.48 | bleeter | so to speak |
| 23:32.05 | foxlit | why not just force you to pay again? |
| 23:32.30 | bleeter | spose if you want a slow liftoff of product, sure |
| 23:33.01 | bleeter | unless you have a bucket of killer titles at launch |
| 23:39.25 | foxlit | so there was the answer |
| 23:39.44 | foxlit | they'll gaikai-stream legacy titles. |
| 23:43.51 | bleeter | well that makes sense. forgot sony had bought gaikai |
| 23:43.53 | ccox | you're talking about Sony - of course you have to buy everything again |
| 23:44.33 | bleeter | 'I don't WANT a videogame console to "get to know me." I play videogames to get AWAY from people who know me.' lolol |
| 23:45.12 | bleeter | 'Please Note: Cloud has been removed from the #PS4 launch drinking game due to OH&S reasons.' |
| 23:51.14 | ccox | lol |
| 23:53.43 | bluspacecow | i read that as lunch drinking game |
| 23:56.17 | bleeter | popcorn -> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PlayStation_4&action=history |
| 23:56.29 | Mr_Rabies | welp |
| 23:56.33 | Mr_Rabies | that was a horrible group |
| 23:56.34 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 23:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/DAOdfAg.png |
| 23:57.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a tank |
