| 00:00.05 | Primer | I wonder if increasing the audio bitrate would make it sound better |
| 00:00.13 | VIad | would take more bandwidth |
| 00:00.25 | Primer | I have a feeling the mic is just not that hi def though |
| 00:00.27 | VIad | if you are at the cap, make the video worse/buffer more |
| 00:00.29 | VIad | hmm |
| 00:00.30 | Primer | I have plenty of bandwidth |
| 00:01.11 | Primer | The stream right now varies between 250K and 500K, according to gkrellm's graph |
| 00:01.29 | Primer | that being a client-side measurement |
| 00:02.24 | Primer | I heard some dude's music |
| 00:03.36 | Primer | I need to find out where that hiss is coming from |
| 00:05.24 | VIad | do you know what sol is? |
| 00:06.13 | Primer | The star at the center of our solar system? |
| 00:06.54 | VIad | :3 |
| 00:06.58 | Primer | other than than, I know the acronym SOL, shit outta luck |
| 00:07.01 | VIad | I was wondering who'd say solitaire :D |
| 00:07.09 | Primer | sol.exe? |
| 00:07.14 | VIad | ye |
| 00:08.42 | VIad | I so want a full time job soon guys, keep searching :( |
| 00:08.49 | VIad | I need to buy a new computer lol ... 2008 is a bit old now |
| 00:09.06 | VIad | I know people change their cellphones faster than I change my computers :( |
| 00:09.14 | Primer | The economy not good there? |
| 00:09.26 | VIad | I only got part time job |
| 00:09.30 | VIad | looking for full time |
| 00:09.41 | VIad | part time was awesome while studying but now it's not enough :P |
| 00:10.57 | VIad | look at this case http://www.komplett.no/k/ci.aspx?sku=10729 |
| 00:11.00 | VIad | looks hilarious :P |
| 00:11.09 | VIad | dust magnet? |
| 00:11.28 | VIad | blue :3 |
| 00:11.52 | TC-work | *sigh* 4GB+ psb files can suck it. |
| 00:11.54 | VIad | hey Sintacks :D |
| 00:12.03 | VIad | what is a psb file TC? |
| 00:12.04 | Sintacks | hi |
| 00:12.12 | TC-work | it's a large format pst file |
| 00:12.33 | TC-work | for files over 3GB |
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| 00:18.48 | VIad | why can't I SLI my GTX560TI and let's say a GTX680? |
| 00:19.00 | VIad | why must the two cards be the same model to work in SLI? |
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| 00:22.45 | Neffi | VIad: Rendering across GPUs involves a lot of very complex sycnrhonization |
| 00:23.07 | VIad | does geforce have a compatibility list or sheet? |
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| 00:23.24 | Neffi | It's a huge hurdle to even get SLI working. You may note how bad it used to scale versus how it does now. NVidia has engineers working on this constantly, and it's still far from perfect. |
| 00:23.25 | VIad | perhaps certain chipsets work together |
| 00:23.32 | Neffi | Google it. |
| 00:23.38 | VIad | I tried, a TON of articles |
| 00:23.58 | Neffi | Generally speaking, the issue is inherent to sycnrhonizing itself, so you really wouldn't even want to SLI two separate chips |
| 00:24.12 | Neffi | You could end up with worse performance |
| 00:24.20 | VIad | I enjoy the idea having a card draw two parts of the screen |
| 00:24.31 | VIad | I mean two cards and two parts :P |
| 00:24.38 | Neffi | That's even more complex, because then you have to figure WHICH two parts |
| 00:24.55 | Neffi | the scene is never even, so scaling is far more problematic and probably cost a LOT more CPU power to get it working |
| 00:25.09 | VIad | can you have sli and tell one card to do all the work but at times have the other do other work? :P |
| 00:25.10 | Neffi | Alternate-frame is a better system |
| 00:25.20 | Neffi | The problem is, what other work? |
| 00:25.26 | VIad | like by default use the main card, but have the spare one perhaps run a specific game separately |
| 00:25.33 | VIad | i.e. playing two games at once :P |
| 00:25.34 | Neffi | You could have a GTX 680 doing all rendering and a 560TI doing all PhysX |
| 00:25.40 | VIad | hmm |
| 00:25.51 | Neffi | You could have a GTX 680 drawing one screen and the other drawing another screen |
| 00:25.55 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:26.03 | VIad | but with different models? |
| 00:26.13 | VIad | and would the sli affect performance in a poor way on the 680? |
| 00:26.21 | Neffi | But as I gather, having multiple things rendered in a single logical screen by different GPUs is inherently limited by the OS and the design of graphics stacks, so it's not plausible |
| 00:26.27 | VIad | hmm |
| 00:27.08 | Neffi | But you can have two different GPUs handling two different screens. We used to have to do this before GPUs could handle multiple displays. There are multiple ways to do it on Linux (TwinView, using separate X clients/servers, etc) |
| 00:27.23 | Neffi | Not sure about Windows, but I know it's possible |
| 00:27.44 | Neffi | This works even if they are not the same chip |
| 00:28.10 | Neffi | I believe TwinView even supports coupling together different GPU chips on Linux |
| 00:28.15 | VIad | not sure tough if the performance will be degradet |
| 00:28.17 | VIad | degraded |
| 00:28.27 | Neffi | could be. TwinView itself degrades the performance a little |
| 00:28.29 | VIad | GTX 680 and 560TI in one machine with SLI enabled |
| 00:28.38 | VIad | I am afraid the 560TI will pull the 680 back :P |
| 00:28.41 | Neffi | That's not possible under TwinView |
| 00:28.42 | VIad | do more harm than good |
| 00:28.59 | Neffi | If you want to SLI, buy a 2nd 560TI. You can probably find them quite cheap if you check eBay. |
| 00:29.12 | VIad | would two 560TI be more powerful than one 680? |
| 00:29.38 | Neffi | I would think so, but I cant say for sure. In any case, it's still dependent on the individual game and even on the individual driver |
| 00:29.45 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:29.50 | Neffi | Since SLI's driver implementation is constantly being improved |
| 00:30.05 | Neffi | Look for a benchmark comparing them. Take the date the benchmark was made into consideration. |
| 00:30.16 | TC-work | Also depends on if the software supports SLI |
| 00:30.18 | Neffi | I'll also point you to this: http://techreport.com/review/21516/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking |
| 00:30.34 | TC-work | oh...nvm Neffi already said that |
| 00:30.38 | VIad | I am highly sceptical of SLI :P |
| 00:30.53 | VIad | each time I upgrade my machine my old GPU is usually old enough and I never bother to get another one just to SLI |
| 00:30.54 | Neffi | VIad: Read that article. It gives you a good idea of the complexity of SLI/CrossFire, and it's also a great read for anyone who looks at benchmarks, as it shows why the vast majority of GPU benchmarks are improperly done |
| 00:30.57 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:31.04 | VIad | I will read it Neffi, tomorrow |
| 00:31.06 | VIad | it's late :P |
| 00:31.15 | VIad | my 2008 machine came with GTX260 |
| 00:31.20 | TC-work | I was going to SLI 660TI's but i think a 680 is better |
| 00:31.21 | VIad | had to upgrade to 560 not long ago lol |
| 00:31.25 | TC-work | more compatibility |
| 00:31.36 | VIad | the new machines come with 680 on the website I look at |
| 00:31.42 | VIad | they build the machine for you :P |
| 00:31.54 | Neffi | After reading a lot of material, that article included, I've come to the conclusion that I would rather not SLI, even if the performance of a single higher-end card is slightly less |
| 00:32.05 | VIad | my friend had SLI and had some issues sometimes |
| 00:32.12 | Neffi | But in the case that I have a decent card and can find a 2nd used one rather cheap, I'd still say it's very worth it |
| 00:32.26 | Neffi | Unless you really have all the cash to constantly buy the best card on the market |
| 00:32.38 | VIad | what about SLI GTX260 versus GTX560TI? xD |
| 00:32.44 | Neffi | Well SLI has improved a lot the last couple years. But issues are still present some places. |
| 00:32.57 | VIad | crossfire and sli |
| 00:33.00 | VIad | what would you prefer? |
| 00:33.05 | Neffi | Look at the benchmarks. I'm inclined to say go with a 560TI, but don't take my word for it. |
| 00:33.46 | Neffi | Lately SLI seems to be advancing much faster. The scaling is better across the board. Also, it suffers from frame latencies and sync issues MUCH less. See the article, it compares SLI and CrossFire using comparable models of GPUs. |
| 00:34.07 | Neffi | CrossFire didn't do so well |
| 00:34.15 | VIad | I've been a nvidia fanboy |
| 00:34.28 | VIad | ever since I went from my old radeon to a geforce :P |
| 00:34.36 | Amarande | Neffi: are the motherboards comparable? |
| 00:34.37 | smcn | my video cards are so old the newest drivers have "legacy" in the filename :( |
| 00:34.42 | VIad | :D |
| 00:34.44 | Neffi | Even when average framerates were better, stutter and frame latencies and other issues showed the NVidia cards produced much more fluid gameplay and performance |
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| 00:35.09 | Neffi | Amarande: It's TechReport. I'm sure they used a reference system when judging the cards. |
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| 00:35.14 | Amarande | One thing about SLI is nVidia is a lot more choosy about licencing mobos for it than AMD is, hence why some generations took longer to get SLI boards while they had CrossFire boards pretty much from the get go. |
| 00:35.31 | VIad | anyone got a 650+ card or two? |
| 00:35.40 | VIad | how smooth do the 3dmark tests run? :P |
| 00:35.54 | TC-work | there a a bunch of sites for that |
| 00:35.55 | Neffi | Synthetic benchmarks are a terrible test of performance |
| 00:36.07 | VIad | just gives a feel |
| 00:36.07 | Neffi | Just like measuring GFLOPs is practically useless when comparing GPUs |
| 00:36.41 | Neffi | IMO use synthetic benchmarks to get an idea of how your overclock has improved the speed and whether or not its stable, NOT to test the reference performance of two GPUs |
| 00:36.50 | VIad | I thought 3dmark is like running a 3d demo that could potentially be a game, and check performance across several setups and such |
| 00:37.08 | VIad | two identical machines with two different GPUs for instance |
| 00:37.13 | Neffi | The issue is more complex, because even separate games thrash different parts of the GPU differently. |
| 00:37.47 | Neffi | One might be harsher on the PCI-E bridge. One might be more sensitive to RAM bandwidth; RAM amount; RAM latency; CPU cache; or specifics of how the GPU processes. |
| 00:38.07 | Neffi | The internal architecture of different GPU families and even generations can be hugely different |
| 00:38.41 | Neffi | Older GPUs even perform better on some one-off games because the design of the GPU core is more favorable to the specific way the game renders |
| 00:38.51 | VIad | Neffi: I tried the older 3dmark for fun |
| 00:38.54 | VIad | had constant max fps :D |
| 00:38.57 | VIad | felt awesome |
| 00:39.03 | VIad | sadly the demos looked like half life 1 :P |
| 00:39.43 | Neffi | Also consider that they probably optimize drivers and such specifically for these benchmarks, because that's usually the first performance indication to be released and most early adopters will make a choice based solely on synthetic results |
| 00:39.43 | VIad | how's your setup Neffi? |
| 00:39.58 | Neffi | Terrible. Sandy Bridge w/ integrated GPU. I'm pretty broke. |
| 00:40.12 | VIad | sandy bridge versus my quad core |
| 00:40.14 | Neffi | But I really want to build a desktop, and I'd be going with NVidia GPU and Intel CPU. |
| 00:40.15 | VIad | how do I stand? :P |
| 00:40.24 | Neffi | It's a laptop chip, but it's impressively fast. |
| 00:40.35 | Neffi | I've had no situations where my CPU felt slow or hindering |
| 00:40.36 | VIad | I think yours is quicker than mine |
| 00:40.58 | VIad | http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=366000#extra |
| 00:40.59 | VIad | :P |
| 00:41.01 | Neffi | It's a dual-core, so I can push it to the limit if I really try. But in normal workflow, it's more than fast enough to not notice. |
| 00:41.18 | Neffi | Yeah, mine's way faster. ;) |
| 00:41.20 | VIad | :P |
| 00:41.23 | VIad | told you |
| 00:41.39 | Neffi | Do you play anything besides WoW? |
| 00:41.43 | VIad | ye |
| 00:41.45 | VIad | the witcher 2 |
| 00:41.58 | VIad | saints row 3, hl2, black mesa mod, a lot of games |
| 00:42.01 | VIad | mw3, bf2 |
| 00:42.02 | Neffi | Not familiar. But a 560TI should max WoW at a steady 60 FPS, even at 1080p |
| 00:42.05 | VIad | nah |
| 00:42.12 | VIad | my other hardware are a bottleneck |
| 00:42.26 | VIad | but going from 260 to 560ti was a huge improvement |
| 00:42.27 | Neffi | Ah, makes sense. WoW is surprisingly CPU bound. |
| 00:42.28 | VIad | believe it or not :P |
| 00:42.45 | VIad | but sadly my motherboard is a bottleneck in my system |
| 00:42.52 | Neffi | Well even if it's CPU bound, a GPU upgrade will usually mean you can run higher settings -- even if you can't push higher framerates |
| 00:43.01 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:43.04 | Neffi | CPU bound generally is just that -- it limits your FPS, not your quality settings |
| 00:43.10 | VIad | my fps is around 30 ish in raids, maybe 20 in bad situations |
| 00:43.16 | Dagmar | Neffi: That's what I was facing a few months back when I was still running the dual-core 2.4Ghz CPU, but WoW wasn't nearly as CPU-bound as practically everything else |
| 00:43.16 | VIad | but alone questing it's 40+ and nice enough |
| 00:43.19 | Neffi | Yeah, that's definitely the CPU |
| 00:43.31 | VIad | but other games run smoother |
| 00:43.35 | VIad | for instance the mw2 and mw3 games |
| 00:43.39 | VIad | run at much higher fps :P |
| 00:43.46 | VIad | and I'd say more 3d intensive |
| 00:43.50 | VIad | bf2 and such |
| 00:43.51 | Neffi | There's a lot of shit going on in raids. Just look at the unfiltered COMBAT_LOG_EVENT to see a very small fraction of the amount of shit the CPU has to handle |
| 00:43.56 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:44.06 | Dagmar | LA Noire and Saints Row 3 could sort of run on very low settings. Replaced the CPU, suddenly it's like film |
| 00:44.14 | VIad | ah I've played noire too |
| 00:44.19 | VIad | runs smooth :) |
| 00:44.23 | VIad | but I don't run it all on max |
| 00:44.26 | Neffi | I dont think WoW really can be good on the CPU because of the way it treats units. Other games where units dont necessarily have complex logic is totally differet. |
| 00:44.27 | VIad | usually mid/high ish |
| 00:44.34 | VIad | yeah |
| 00:45.08 | Neffi | I originally wrote my own UI from scratch because my machine was so old, that carefully constructing my own UI and unregistering CPU-bound functions in the default UI got me a noticeable improvement in FPS |
| 00:45.13 | VIad | :D |
| 00:45.25 | VIad | how much faster would i7 be |
| 00:45.29 | VIad | compared to my quad core? |
| 00:45.30 | VIad | :P |
| 00:45.49 | VIad | I reckon at least twice as quicker? |
| 00:46.09 | Neffi | Dont buy an i7. WoW wouldnt benefit from HT. |
| 00:46.12 | VIad | my motherboard if you wanna know http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=351717 |
| 00:46.14 | Neffi | Buy an i5. |
| 00:46.25 | VIad | but wouldn't other stuff benefit from i7? |
| 00:46.29 | Neffi | WoW shouldn't cap out an i5. Especially not if it's overclocked. |
| 00:46.35 | VIad | price range i5 or i7 are very similar |
| 00:46.39 | Neffi | What other stuff? An i7 is basically an i5 with HT. |
| 00:46.39 | VIad | on the site I am looking at |
| 00:46.45 | Amarande | Also, if you are thinking of an i7, you might even want to try the lowest end Xeon, especially if you are a gamer |
| 00:46.48 | Semlar | there is almost no reason to get an i7 over an i5 |
| 00:46.49 | Neffi | Some models have slightly more cache. It's exactly the same CPU core inside it. |
| 00:46.50 | VIad | other programs, games, e.g.? |
| 00:46.53 | Amarande | E3-1230 or something like that I think it is? |
| 00:47.01 | Neffi | I wouldn't Amarande. Can't OC them. |
| 00:47.03 | Amarande | There's one that's practically the same price as an i5. |
| 00:47.05 | VIad | what if I like to run virtualization? |
| 00:47.15 | VIad | I usually run a linux on my virtualbox |
| 00:47.17 | Neffi | They offer literally nothing over an i5 for a desktop machine. They're workstation chips. |
| 00:47.28 | Amarande | But it has the HT cores of an i7, rather than wasting CPU space on a GPU you're honestly never going to use. |
| 00:47.38 | Neffi | VIad: 2500k. That's your goto CPU. It's fast, it OCs very well (you need a K variant to OC). |
| 00:47.39 | Amarande | Seriously, who uses the IGP on an Intel chip unless they're a non-gamer :) |
| 00:47.53 | Neffi | True enough |
| 00:48.03 | Neffi | But IMO with a CPU core like Sandy Bridge, you're a fool not to OC it |
| 00:48.09 | VIad | Neffi: I understood half of what you said |
| 00:48.15 | Neffi | It's such a waste of hardware to let it sit at the conservative stock clocks |
| 00:48.17 | VIad | keep in mind last time I upgraded was 2008 |
| 00:48.24 | VIad | meaning I am 4 years behind on hardware knowledge |
| 00:48.33 | VIad | because I haven't looked at these stuff since about 2008 |
| 00:48.49 | VIad | 2500K is some CPU build number thing? |
| 00:48.56 | VIad | K variant to OC? |
| 00:49.22 | Neffi | VIad: Hyperthreading allows the CPU to saturate the core better during stalls by allowing it to internally queue 2 threads instead of just 1. In other words, you get 10-20% better performance on workloads which are both very CPU intensive, and highly threaded. Think rendering with the CPU, converting/encoding video, etc. |
| 00:49.29 | Neffi | It's absolutely useless for games |
| 00:49.37 | VIad | aha |
| 00:49.40 | Amarande | meanwhile. blah, shado-pan dailies are hard |
| 00:49.41 | Amarande | wow |
| 00:49.43 | VIad | but I do enjoy video work too |
| 00:49.44 | Amarande | I almost said shado-pain dailies :) |
| 00:50.02 | Neffi | With Sandy/Ivy Bridge, overclocking is hard-locked in the chip. You need a K variant to overclock, which is unlocked. It's like $20 more. |
| 00:50.23 | VIad | if wow is so cpu intensive |
| 00:50.30 | VIad | why wouldn't the HT be affecting it too? |
| 00:50.35 | VIad | just curious :P |
| 00:50.46 | kd3 | wow's mostly single-core |
| 00:50.48 | Neffi | An i5 2500K is fast enough that you can continue to enjoy video work. An i7 may net you an avg of 15% faster encodes, but that money spent towards better coolding and mobo and PSU to overclock further would net you even more. |
| 00:50.52 | VIad | oh also I tink HT would benefit ps2 emulator |
| 00:50.58 | VIad | since it's mainly cpu oriented |
| 00:51.02 | Neffi | Because game logic is highly synchronous |
| 00:51.15 | Neffi | Even in games that use multiple threads, they dont do the type of workload that HT benefits |
| 00:51.33 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah, I'm guessing that real-time gaming in general works poorly with multiple cores? |
| 00:51.33 | VIad | I see - but if the price of i5 and i7 is like, 10$ difference or 20$ |
| 00:51.37 | VIad | is it still not worth it? |
| 00:51.55 | Neffi | Some benchmarks even show HT hurting performance by a couple percent, because it causes the game threads to stall for a little while while meanial background threads hog up the core -- which the OS's scheduler wouldn't always do. |
| 00:51.55 | Amarande | Works better with turn-based gaming, where deep strategic searches are the order of the day |
| 00:51.57 | Amarande | e.g., chess |
| 00:52.05 | Amarande | which gets ever stronger the more cores you have :) |
| 00:52.06 | Neffi | Which i7? |
| 00:52.24 | Neffi | VIad: I would not buy any Sandy Bridge CPU besides the 2500k. |
| 00:52.35 | Amarande | indeed, a common geek-built PC combined with a chess engine you can purchase from an ordinary Internet shop is enough to beat the World Champion |
| 00:52.36 | Semlar | the price difference between an i7 and an i5 is not $20 |
| 00:52.45 | Neffi | It's the same exact CPU core as all the other Sandy Bridge CPUs. |
| 00:52.57 | VIad | no but I am comparing bundles |
| 00:53.14 | Neffi | If the i7 is unlocked, it's not worth it. |
| 00:53.14 | VIad | very similar hardware and price,but one is i7 and other is i5 |
| 00:53.28 | Neffi | Show me the bundle, and I can comment better |
| 00:53.39 | VIad | sadly norwegian :( |
| 00:53.40 | Amarande | yeah, the price difference between i5 and i7 is more like $100 |
| 00:53.44 | VIad | http://www.komplett.no/k/cl.aspx?bn=11033 |
| 00:53.46 | Neffi | Chrome will translate it |
| 00:53.51 | Neffi | Besides model numbers dont change |
| 00:53.54 | Amarande | which is why I think it was a good thing of Intel to backpedal on the BGA thing that had been rumoured |
| 00:54.14 | Neffi | Which two? |
| 00:54.21 | Neffi | VIad: Hint: Don't get an AMD CPUs. |
| 00:54.22 | Neffi | CPU* |
| 00:54.29 | VIad | I know, I was going for intel :P |
| 00:54.49 | Amarande | I prefer AMD. It tends to be a lot less fussy with other components than Intel. |
| 00:54.52 | VIad | look at the crysis 3 edition |
| 00:54.57 | Neffi | For one, don't get this bundle: Intel® Core i7-3820 Processor |
| 00:54.58 | Amarande | I suppose Intel is OK if you plan on buying all the RAM you will ever use on a single occasion. |
| 00:55.03 | Neffi | It's not K |
| 00:55.08 | Neffi | VIad: Further, don't go prebuilt. |
| 00:55.14 | VIad | but, but |
| 00:55.18 | VIad | prebuild has waranty :( |
| 00:55.21 | Amarande | It reacts quite badly if you try to add a second pair of RAM later, depending on the motherboard. :| |
| 00:55.24 | Neffi | Individual parts do too |
| 00:55.30 | VIad | :< |
| 00:55.44 | VIad | but with bundle they usually replace stuff easier, parts they try make me the bad guy if they fail :( |
| 00:55.49 | Neffi | If you get something defective, getting it replaced is always possible. Standard warrantly even covers failure after a certain amount of time. |
| 00:55.56 | VIad | but I agree |
| 00:56.07 | VIad | building is nice, but I can use the bundles as examples |
| 00:56.09 | Amarande | isn't the warranty on a CPU usually like three months or so? |
| 00:56.17 | Neffi | With a prebuilt, the quality of the motherboard, PSU and cooler are usually questionable if not outright terrible |
| 00:56.31 | Neffi | A good PSU is surprisingly important in OCing, especially if you dont want it to kill your components. |
| 00:56.33 | Semlar | how is it easier to replace a prebuilt machine than individual parts |
| 00:56.55 | Neffi | You want a PSU that can regulate its voltages within a 5% tolerance, or one that might spike the voltages 15% over and fry your component? |
| 00:57.21 | VIad | I gotta poop and sleep, BUT, I shall talk more about these things later on at some point, when the time is right for me to get a new machine :D |
| 00:57.28 | Amarande | A good PSU is surprisingly important, full stop |
| 00:57.29 | Amarande | there, Neffi |
| 00:57.31 | VIad | writes down Neffi's name. |
| 00:57.34 | Neffi | You'll be hard pressed to find a PSU from Seasonic or Enermax or Corsair or another top-notch company in a prebuilt |
| 00:57.58 | Neffi | Amarande: I agree |
| 00:58.22 | Neffi | You don't wanna skimp on the component charged with supplying electrical current to all your other expensive components |
| 00:58.32 | Semlar | i have a corsair, but the first one they sent me was screwy |
| 00:58.34 | Neffi | Ok VIad |
| 00:58.39 | VIad | :D |
| 00:58.42 | VIad | it's 2am |
| 00:58.46 | Semlar | it wasn't DOA but it did cause the machine to randomly shut off |
| 00:58.47 | VIad | but I do wanna learn and talk more |
| 00:58.53 | Semlar | it was surprisingly hard to diagnose |
| 00:59.01 | VIad | got a lot to catch up to in 4-5 years |
| 00:59.28 | Neffi | When buying parts, it's pretty common to get something DoA or bad on the first time round. Not every individual part gets tested, whereas prebuilt machines more commonly are. That's why getting an RMA is usually pretty painless during the first month or two of having the component. |
| 00:59.36 | VIad | DoA = dead or alive? |
| 00:59.41 | VIad | sorry I couldn't :P |
| 00:59.42 | Neffi | Dead on Arrival |
| 01:00.07 | VIad | prebuild stuff in US and in norway maybe a bit different? |
| 01:00.16 | VIad | like what company hardware they use and such |
| 01:00.23 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 01:00.33 | Neffi | I'd never buy prebuilt, just as I'd never put a shitty PSU in my machine, or shell out for the very top-end CPU when the lower end model is literally the same thing (only not factory overclocked) |
| 01:00.57 | Semlar | usually to save money in a prebuilt machine they cut corners by using cheaper PSUs, cases whatever |
| 01:01.04 | Neffi | Nah, VIad. Almost nothing is made in the US. What's available here should be available everywhere. Prices may vary, but that's it. |
| 01:01.12 | VIad | I know |
| 01:01.25 | VIad | but I mean maybe the companies prefer various companies in their prebuild sets |
| 01:01.32 | Neffi | Cheaper coolers. MUCH cheaper PSUs. Sometimes they dont even use thermal paste on the CPU cooler. |
| 01:02.02 | Semlar | i mean just think about how much the individual items cost and try and figure how they're actually matching that |
| 01:02.16 | Neffi | I doubt the quality is any higher. America has a pretty big "gamer" audience that is willing to shell out for top-notch prebuilts. And they still dont get it. |
| 01:02.40 | Neffi | If you build yourself, you're practically always saving money, getting a better machine, and getting better performance out of it |
| 01:02.42 | VIad | not talking about quality... tough |
| 01:02.59 | Amarande | Neffi: if only it was painless after getting the RMA |
| 01:03.08 | Neffi | These parts list look identical to the type of stuff we have here, VIad |
| 01:03.09 | VIad | just talking about the companies producing let's say RAM might be different in US on the "preference of what companies we offer in the prebuilds" than it's in other countries |
| 01:03.13 | VIad | I see |
| 01:03.17 | VIad | that's what I wondered :P |
| 01:03.18 | Neffi | Nope |
| 01:03.19 | Amarande | getting the RMA is simple. sending it back and getting the replacement on the other hand is an exercise in pain at times :) |
| 01:03.19 | Semlar | i pretty much always cannibalize parts from my old machine so it saves me a lot to just buy the core parts anyway |
| 01:03.29 | Amarande | especially if you buy from newegg, sadly. |
| 01:03.36 | Neffi | Very few companies produce their own RAM. Most of them buy the RAM from manufacturers and distribute it. |
| 01:03.45 | Amarande | even worse if you buy from newegg during November. :| |
| 01:03.47 | Neffi | Eg Kingston buys from Elpida and Samsung and Kinnix and probably others |
| 01:03.52 | Neffi | And Kingston is popualr in the UA |
| 01:03.53 | Neffi | US |
| 01:04.30 | Neffi | The vast majority of PC parts work like that -- few core manufacturers produce them, then many distributors buy them in bulk and rebrand them |
| 01:04.55 | Neffi | EG most RAM is developed by just a few companies and sold under other names. Most PSUs are the same way. |
| 01:05.12 | Neffi | I think Seasonic is the only PSU manufacturer to also sell to the consumer |
| 01:05.27 | Amarande | The trouble with newegg RMAs in November is that if you live on the East Coast, it takes a week to send it back Ground. |
| 01:05.43 | Amarande | And what's worse, Ground is really the only viable shipping method anymore, because the shipping prices are simply horrendous these days. |
| 01:05.44 | Neffi | Doesn't Newegg have a warehouse in New Jersey? |
| 01:05.59 | Amarande | Neffi: RMAs are only accepted at the warehouse in California, no matter where you got the item from in the first place or where you are |
| 01:06.06 | Neffi | =/ |
| 01:06.12 | Neffi | Well it's a small cost |
| 01:06.25 | Neffi | If you're investing tons of money into a new machine, what's another week to wait for it? |
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| 01:06.28 | Amarande | Then you lose another week because they always ship it back Ground, no matter what your original order was shipped. |
| 01:06.34 | Amarande | So you're already looking at two weeks. |
| 01:06.47 | Neffi | Same deal if your prebuilt was faulty |
| 01:06.50 | Amarande | What gives you further wailing and gnashing of teeth in November in particular is that then there's a nice chance of catching the Thanksgiving weekend in the middle. |
| 01:07.09 | Neffi | Unless you shell out even more money for the most premium warranty which includes onsite repair -- usually $300-400 |
| 01:07.14 | Amarande | And UPS only has limited service on Black Friday, which notably does not include Ground pickups or delivery, so you lose practically a whole extra week there too. |
| 01:07.41 | Amarande | Then it leaves the following Monday and takes five days to ship, so it would arrive on, oh wait, no delivery on Saturday, you get to wait yet another weekend. |
| 01:07.50 | Amarande | Meanwhile you're grumbling at the lack of your rig because it's been nearly a month already. |
| 01:08.01 | Neffi | Amarande: I'm gonna take a guess and say you ordered parts in November |
| 01:08.09 | Amarande | Neffi: sadly, yup |
| 01:08.13 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:08.20 | Amarande | and had already been without the computer for a week BEFORE that, too |
| 01:08.34 | Amarande | because of that week-long power outage after the 2011 Samhain freak blizzard |
| 01:08.53 | Amarande | and then I get power back and find my mobo had died :| |
| 01:08.54 | Neffi | I doubt it appreciates being called a freak |
| 01:09.02 | Neffi | It's a gentle giant that just wants to be understood |
| 01:09.24 | Amarande | so I order what seems to be a nice mobo, and it comes back DOA, and between a week to get it tested by the local chop shop, a week to send back RMA, a week lost due to Thanksgiving, and a week to ship back, I went something close to 40 days without my PC |
| 01:10.04 | Neffi | =( |
| 01:10.13 | Amarande | I'm not so sure what we're supposed to be thankful for at Thanksgiving, as geeks. Mostly Thanksgiving is just "that speed bump in business that adds almost an extra week to the time it takes to get anything ordered around then." LOL |
| 01:10.19 | Neffi | Dammit |
| 01:10.35 | Neffi | I tabbed to read that above the PvP daily. Apparently there are fucking anti-air missiles. |
| 01:11.03 | Semlar | surprise!@ |
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| 01:13.56 | Neffi | why does this GY have no angel? |
| 01:14.01 | Neffi | I cant even rage rez |
| 01:14.14 | Semlar | i killed it |
| 01:14.29 | Semlar | there's no coming back from that |
| 01:17.47 | Ackis | Anyone have issues where you delete an erroneous quest item (e.g. keys after you've rescued everyone) and it abandons the quest in your log? |
| 01:18.11 | Neffi | Ackis: I believe that's intended |
| 01:18.24 | Ackis | but it's stupid |
| 01:18.25 | Neffi | If you delete necessary/vital quest items which you cannot reobtain, it abandons the quest |
| 01:18.31 | Neffi | Possibly |
| 01:18.35 | Ackis | I'm not talking about vital stuff |
| 01:18.42 | Semlar | a lot of that is required to turn in the quest |
| 01:18.46 | Neffi | Take it up with the developers |
| 01:18.53 | Neffi | And that's also correct |
| 01:18.56 | Ackis | these are extra items |
| 01:19.02 | Semlar | apparently not extra enough |
| 01:19.14 | Ackis | e.g. I looted 6 keys and only needed 4 for the quest |
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| 01:19.22 | Semlar | well that's different |
| 01:19.50 | Ackis | I delete the extra two keys after completing the quest and it drops the quest on me |
| 01:19.58 | Semlar | i've never had that happen |
| 01:20.07 | Neffi | yeah, collected items should always be deletable |
| 01:20.13 | Neffi | contact a GM if you dont wanna redo the quest |
| 01:20.13 | Semlar | what quest |
| 01:21.06 | Ackis | this specific one is "You've really done it this time Kul" |
| 01:22.11 | kd3 | yah, the whole item-deleting/quest-dropping thing rubs me the wrong way |
| 01:22.28 | kd3 | I just don't free any aspirants until I have 5 keys |
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| 01:22.53 | Ackis | I just got a boat load of them during the kill 15 duders |
| 01:24.01 | Ackis | this is the third time I've done it too :( I'm not a smart man sometimes. |
| 01:24.39 | Semlar | gently pats Ackis |
| 01:31.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:31.51 | Shirik | My RAID 1 array says "DEGRADED" |
| 01:33.38 | Ackis | why do you put your RAID 1 array down Shirik? |
| 01:34.02 | Shirik | why does it hate me :( |
| 01:34.08 | Shirik | Also Ackis you played WoW TCG right? |
| 01:34.19 | Ackis | used to yeah |
| 01:34.32 | Shirik | I am now internet famous :D http://www.cryptozoic.com/downloads/files/wow_faq_s20_120213_betrayal.pdf |
| 01:35.13 | Ackis | nice! |
| 01:37.17 | Neffi | Shirik: Are you Jennifer? |
| 01:37.25 | Shirik | ._. |
| 01:37.30 | Neffi | >_> |
| 01:37.38 | Neffi | I assumed you were male. Unless you're a contributor. |
| 01:37.49 | Neffi | In any case, no offense |
| 01:38.12 | Ackis | he's only Jennifer when I get him to drink enough |
| 01:39.05 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:39.20 | Shirik | /whois Shirik |
| 01:39.30 | TC-work | kek |
| 01:41.25 | Shirik | Jennifer is head of the rules team |
| 01:41.29 | Shirik | I am a lowly member |
| 01:41.37 | Shirik | which still makes me in the top 4 judges though |
| 01:42.15 | Ackis | does this mean you can get me free loot card codes? :D |
| 01:42.38 | Shirik | Of the low tier I probably have a ton of them |
| 01:42.43 | Shirik | of the mounts... I'd rather sell them :P |
| 01:43.14 | Ackis | I honestly don't even know what's middle tier anymore... there was some portal thingy a while back I wanted I know |
| 01:44.06 | Ackis | I know some of the mounts as well... I think the newest is fel drake? |
| 01:54.25 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:54.41 | Shirik | though on the 22nd a new set comes out |
| 01:54.48 | Shirik | it is some kind of flying horse |
| 01:54.51 | Shirik | like the halloween thing |
| 01:55.43 | alestane | Eh, I have a horseman's mount. |
| 01:56.34 | Semlar | which horseman |
| 01:56.38 | alestane | And a blue proto-drake, for that matter. We all agreed to roll need when it dropped, I won, and the guy who'd been going on about hoping it dropped was like "Okay, here's the plan... we kill him." |
| 01:56.50 | alestane | And someone responded "...and split the drake four ways?" |
| 01:57.04 | alestane | "Damn straight," said the gnome. "I get the head." |
| 01:57.10 | kd3 | ha |
| 01:57.20 | Semlar | i'll take the wings |
| 01:58.05 | alestane | The Headless Horseman's mount, Semlar, with the barding and the flaming green hooves. |
| 01:58.20 | alestane | Prefect for my warlock, although since they made them acct-wide all my toons have it. |
| 01:58.24 | alestane | Perfect* |
| 02:00.32 | Shirik | I don't know how similar it is |
| 02:00.40 | Shirik | but yeah I'm not exactly expecting it to be unique |
| 02:00.44 | Shirik | therefore it might not sell very well |
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| 02:08.02 | Neffi | Are there any character profilers on par with Wowhead's? |
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| 02:10.47 | kd3 | character profilers... like askmrrobot? |
| 02:12.02 | Neffi | Get an empty profile, choose race/class/spec/talents/glyphs, fill in your gear/enchants/gems/reforges |
| 02:12.12 | Neffi | Trying to get an outlook on what to shoot for on a new 90 |
| 02:12.31 | Neffi | Wowhead's profiler is currently less than optimal. Some features arent working. |
| 02:12.40 | Neffi | Which is to say, major features are broken |
| 02:18.21 | Amarande | I still don't believe askmrrobot |
| 02:18.28 | Amarande | it still thinks I should preference mastery over haste |
| 02:19.29 | Neffi | Which class? |
| 02:19.48 | Amarande | mage, arcane |
| 02:20.24 | Amarande | let's put it this way, I have enough trouble as a mage with the increased martial-artsish fluidity that Pandaria seems to have pretty dear at its heart |
| 02:20.36 | Amarande | in this light, haste is a good thing. Haste means being able to cast spells faster so I can move more when needed. |
| 02:21.05 | Amarande | Mastery seems to make sense only when you can stand still, especially so when one considers that a mastery build has to dump Arcane Charges a lot more often than a haste one |
| 02:21.25 | Amarande | as a haste build I practically never Barrage unless maybe the charges are about to drop or I'm *really* in mana trouble for some reason |
| 02:21.58 | Amarande | as for when you can stand still, it's because of the optimal mana regen from Rune of Power |
| 02:22.35 | Amarande | if you can't stand still you better go Invocation, but I'm not so fond of that one because RoP works no matter what as long as you're in the rune, while Inv loses efficacy if, say, you get hit |
| 02:23.00 | Amarande | but yeah, haste build is more fluid and has fewer mana issues, I can't figure out why Mr. Robot favours Mastery |
| 02:27.06 | Amarande | (keep in mind, not only does Haste help you finish casts faster so you can keep moving as needed, it also regenerates mana faster as DPS) |
| 02:28.13 | karl_w_w | why is it so damn hard to open lucozade bottles? |
| 02:30.30 | Humbedooh | 'cause they're only for Super Frog? |
| 02:30.50 | Neffi | Is it just me, or does FoK scale horribly? |
| 02:31.08 | Neffi | I kill shit quicker by Hemo'ing one by one than with FoK |
| 02:33.49 | Amarande | not sure. my rogue has yet to really get *any* AoE :( |
| 02:34.07 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/Ailruna/simple <--- rogue, atm |
| 02:34.09 | Amarande | what level do we get AoE? |
| 02:35.25 | karl_w_w | no level |
| 02:35.26 | Neffi | Fan of Knives @ 66, Crimson Tempest as 83 |
| 02:35.30 | Neffi | Our AoE sucks. |
| 02:35.39 | karl_w_w | rogues aren't meant to aoe |
| 02:35.49 | Neffi | It's pretty much an AoE poison applicator (does it still do that in 5.x?) and a flag-capturing interrupter |
| 02:36.12 | karl_w_w | just learn how to play combat and cleave your way to victory |
| 02:36.35 | Neffi | Sub is more fun for PvP |
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| 02:54.41 | karl_w_w | this lucozade bottle makes me sad :( |
| 02:56.05 | karl_w_w | maybe I'll just hammer a hole in the cap! |
| 02:56.11 | Neffi | hulu's player fucking sucks |
| 02:59.34 | Neffi | Twice in a row it hangs after displaying an ad. I love reloading the video to attempt to watch it AGAIN. |
| 02:59.39 | Neffi | I love watching ads over and over |
| 02:59.42 | Neffi | Thanks Hulu |
| 02:59.47 | Neffi | I think they do this on purpose |
| 03:04.02 | karl_w_w | awesome, pistorius shot his girlfriend |
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| 03:23.47 | Mr_Rabies | Cat Form has reduced the GCD of spells to 1.0 sec for a few builds now. |
| 03:23.49 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 03:23.55 | Mr_Rabies | what a QoL improvement |
| 03:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | dealing with two GCD timers at once in a standard rotation SUUUCKS |
| 03:37.16 | kd3 | sometimes I think blizz overemphasizes quest objects... just a bit: http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Charged_Moganite_(Alliance) |
| 03:41.01 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 03:41.14 | Mr_Rabies | i bet the original model for that crystal is tiny |
| 03:41.19 | Mr_Rabies | so the gears get XBOX |
| 03:55.12 | p3lim | Anyone played around with the new quest choice thing on the PTR? |
| 03:55.23 | kd3 | ayup |
| 03:55.36 | kd3 | I mentioned in the email the end-user perspective of it -- wowpedia.org/Assignment_Map |
| 03:58.26 | p3lim | Does it touch the old quest UI at all? |
| 03:58.45 | p3lim | Looks like it's standalone |
| 03:59.17 | kd3 | it doesn't touch the old quest ui. no |
| 03:59.40 | kd3 | making a choice will complete a daily quest, and it pulls reward information from other quests, though |
| 04:00.39 | karl_w_w | so there is a deputy secretary working at the government Department of Sustainability, Environment, Water, Population and Communities called Dr Dripps |
| 04:00.54 | karl_w_w | there's a name choosing your career for you |
| 04:01.40 | karl_w_w | oh my, there is a Senator Waters as well |
| 04:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m59u9l14E91r8f82jo1_500.jpg |
| 04:07.44 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:07.47 | Neffi | 525 honor. Not bad for a daily. |
| 04:08.03 | kd3 | that's the aggregate for the 7 you'll do |
| 04:08.56 | Neffi | 7 dailies for 525 honor? |
| 04:09.25 | Neffi | Are they at least designed to be able to double up efforts and get them done as one? |
| 04:09.45 | Neffi | Or is this a run-all-over deal where objectives are scattered and uncorrelated to each other? |
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| 04:10.17 | kd3 | expand the "pvp action" part of the navbox and see for yourself? |
| 04:11.19 | Neffi | I'm not seeing that |
| 04:11.35 | Neffi | Ah. Nvm. |
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| 04:24.11 | Eridius | huh, when did wowace switch to documenting the "is open?" flag on repos as "not recommended"? I swear that used to be recommended |
| 04:24.19 | Eridius | (for wowace, and not recommended for curseforge, IIRC) |
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| 04:40.20 | p3lim | What was the name of the lua bot again? |
| 04:40.37 | kd3 | lua> 2+2 |
| 04:40.38 | lua_bot | kd3: 4 |
| 04:42.20 | p3lim | ta |
| 04:44.02 | Neffi | or !lua |
| 04:44.07 | Neffi | !lua 4+4 |
| 04:44.07 | batbot | Neffi: > 8 |
| 04:48.52 | TC-work | purl can also do maths |
| 04:49.27 | Neffi | purl, what is 2+2? |
| 04:49.28 | purl | it has been said that 2+2 is 5 |
| 04:49.35 | Neffi | i call bullshit on that |
| 04:50.01 | TC-work | ~2 + 2 |
| 04:50.01 | purl | it has been said that 2 + 2 is 5 for sufficiently large values of 2 |
| 04:50.09 | TC-work | hmm....there is a way |
| 04:50.15 | Neffi | ~sqrt(2) + sin(37) |
| 04:50.26 | Neffi | !lua sqrt(2)+sin(37) |
| 04:50.26 | batbot | Neffi: @ [string "return sqrt(2)+sin(37)"]:1: attempt to call global 'sqrt' (a nil value) |
| 04:50.36 | Neffi | !lua math.sqrt(2) + math.sin(37) |
| 04:50.36 | batbot | Neffi: > 0.7706754290161 |
| 04:50.38 | Neffi | lua wins |
| 04:51.16 | Neffi | !lua 16^(1/2) |
| 04:51.16 | batbot | Neffi: > 4 |
| 04:51.26 | Neffi | !lua 9^(1/3) |
| 04:51.26 | batbot | Neffi: > 2.0800838230519 |
| 04:52.15 | TC-work | ~(10-2+32/34*2) |
| 04:52.15 | purl | 9.882352941176 |
| 04:52.47 | Neffi | No sin? No trig love? |
| 04:52.53 | TC-work | you try it |
| 04:53.03 | TC-work | I was just pointing out it can be done |
| 04:53.21 | Neffi | I still distrust purl |
| 04:53.39 | Neffi | I'll never get over: |
| 04:53.40 | Neffi | ~2+2 |
| 04:53.41 | purl | it has been said that 2+2 is 5 |
| 04:53.47 | TC-work | try () |
| 04:54.01 | Neffi | ~(2+2) |
| 04:54.01 | purl | 4 |
| 04:54.03 | TC-work | because 2+2 is a factoid |
| 04:54.11 | Neffi | purl, no, (2+2) is 5 |
| 04:54.11 | purl | Neffi: okay |
| 04:54.15 | Neffi | ~(2+2) |
| 04:54.15 | purl | (2+2) is probably 5 |
| 04:54.36 | TC-work | that's great, break the math |
| 04:54.37 | Neffi | It's that I can manipulate anyt formula to be factoid |
| 04:54.46 | TC-work | ~forget (2+2) |
| 04:54.46 | purl | TC-work: i forgot (2+2) |
| 04:54.51 | TC-work | ~(2+2) |
| 04:54.51 | purl | 4 |
| 04:55.03 | kd3 | yet purl'll say whether she's responding as a factoid or not |
| 04:55.06 | Neffi | LOL |
| 04:55.15 | Neffi | changed binding for glider -> use it in AV over mountain -> fuck |
| 04:55.15 | kd3 | the whole "is probably" thing is the clue |
| 04:55.23 | TC-work | you can skip that as well |
| 04:55.43 | Neffi | You can have him respond specifically |
| 04:55.47 | TC-work | purl, (2+2) is <reply> 4 |
| 04:55.47 | purl | TC-work: okay |
| 04:55.48 | Neffi | I forget how |
| 04:56.00 | TC-work | purl, no (2+2) is <reply> 100 |
| 04:56.00 | purl | TC-work: okay |
| 04:56.06 | TC-work | ~(2+2) |
| 04:56.07 | purl | 100 |
| 04:56.16 | TC-work | ~forget (2+2) |
| 04:56.16 | purl | TC-work: i forgot (2+2) |
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| 05:08.39 | Mr_Rabies | lol just did almost 2/3 of a scenario group's damage :X |
| 05:09.07 | Mr_Rabies | also 82% of damage taken and 82% healing done |
| 05:09.32 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: As what? |
| 05:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | feral dps |
| 05:09.51 | Neffi | christ |
| 05:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | my average dps was about 75k or so |
| 05:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | not like i was completely rocking the chart or anything |
| 05:10.40 | Mr_Rabies | just... my battlegroup sucks :| |
| 05:14.02 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it is kind of ridiculous to expect people to output massive steady dps, but 10k at 90, really? :( |
| 05:18.15 | Neffi | 10k? |
| 05:18.22 | Neffi | I think my autoattack puts out higher DPS |
| 05:18.27 | Neffi | and my gear is pretty bad on my rogue |
| 05:19.13 | Neffi | hell my druid puts out like 7-8k autoattack DPS |
| 05:21.16 | tzarc | yeah I've seen a few hunters pulling 7-8k DPS in scenarios |
| 05:21.35 | Neffi | I'd check your DPS meter |
| 05:21.35 | p3lim | Can anyone with blacksmithing test if IsSpellKnown(2018) returns true? |
| 05:21.38 | tzarc | you're not on bloodlust battegroup, are you? |
| 05:21.45 | Neffi | A 90 hunter in quest gear should be pulling that on autoattack alone |
| 05:21.50 | Mr_Rabies | first guy was an afk brazilian, second guy was a brazilian at keyboard doing 10k dps :< |
| 05:21.53 | tzarc | you'd think so, yes |
| 05:22.02 | tzarc | skada hasn't really caused me issues in the past though |
| 05:22.27 | Mr_Rabies | people do say skada isn't perfectly accurate but i dunno |
| 05:22.29 | Neffi | That's absolutely abysmal. Why is that battlegroup so bad? |
| 05:22.45 | Neffi | I don't see why a given battlegroup should be a large outlier in performance or ksill |
| 05:22.48 | Mr_Rabies | partially due to brazlian/latin american realms |
| 05:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | those markets are fairly new |
| 05:22.55 | Mr_Rabies | plus latency |
| 05:22.57 | kd3 | WTF |
| 05:22.58 | Neffi | Ah, makes sense |
| 05:22.59 | kd3 | Student with scary black Glock AR-47 tactical assault shovel terrorizes school into lockdown [Asinine] |
| 05:23.01 | Mr_Rabies | plus language barrier |
| 05:23.03 | kd3 | http://www.ktvb.com/news/Meridian-middle-school-on-lock--191220261.html |
| 05:23.16 | Neffi | Skada should be accurate |
| 05:23.26 | Mr_Rabies | they tacked them onto our battlegroup for some reason |
| 05:23.32 | Mr_Rabies | instead of making their own for each language :| |
| 05:23.40 | Neffi | The issues with inaccuracy are ages old, from when the combat log only reported DPS in a short-ass range |
| 05:23.47 | Neffi | like 40-50 yards or something |
| 05:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | those folding shovels are admittely pretty dangerous but hilarious kd3 |
| 05:57.03 | Fisker | can you stop me Mr_Rabies ? |
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| 06:11.12 | Fisker | doesn't appear like it |
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| 06:19.50 | kd3 | whee. I reboot and lose a usb hub. almost had a heart attack - I've got a 2TB drive attached via that hub |
| 06:22.15 | Fisker | detects the weak heartrate and jolts kd3 |
| 06:22.58 | Fisker | maybe (but probably not) oops |
| 06:27.13 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 06:27.41 | bluspacecow | A+ training lesson : Always check the hardware connections first :3 |
| 06:27.51 | bluspacecow | i'm guessing the 2TB drive is important backups ? |
| 06:27.56 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 06:27.59 | Fisker | you were a jerk |
| 06:28.14 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.15 | kd3 | kinda, but not really. just crap that would take a /really/ long time to refind and redownload |
| 06:28.20 | Fisker | you said something yesterday |
| 06:28.20 | Fisker | then poof |
| 06:28.28 | Fisker | oh so obscure amateur porn kd3 |
| 06:28.31 | kd3 | all of my important stuff's on drobox/my personal webspace/etc |
| 06:28.33 | Fisker | i hate when i lose those collections as well |
| 06:29.05 | blugunslingerdoc | "no it isn't. his name is susan.and he wants you to respect his life choices" |
| 06:29.09 | blugunslingerdoc | :P |
| 06:31.06 | kd3 | anyway. it looks like it's just the hub that's acting up, so I'll mess with that when I wake back up |
| 06:31.31 | blugunslingerdoc | whip out the ole multimeter later on then :P |
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| 06:57.18 | Fisker | yeah blugunslingerdoc |
| 06:57.27 | blugunslingerdoc | oh rly |
| 06:58.07 | Fisker | ya rly |
| 06:58.25 | Fisker | us forums lacking moderation |
| 06:58.29 | Fisker | atleast they have moderation |
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| 07:29.16 | smcn | servers blew up? |
| 07:29.30 | smcn | nevermind |
| 07:44.55 | pompy | nevermind the servers .. http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/ |
| 07:51.32 | zenzio | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/13/french-driver-200kmh-car-chase - well that must kind of suck |
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| 07:53.23 | zenzio | I'd guess a very big supermarket |
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| 08:10.51 | Shirik | he's full of shit zenzelezz |
| 08:11.12 | Shirik | what did they remove the low gear setting? |
| 08:11.19 | Shirik | how about turning off the ignition? |
| 08:12.35 | Neffi | What the fuck is a hypermarket? |
| 08:12.39 | Neffi | And why does it sound terrifying? |
| 08:13.08 | zenzio | like I said, I believe it's just a big supermarket; a way to say "look guys, we're larger than these other bastards" |
| 08:13.35 | Shirik | they also have quadruple coupons and TWO membership cards |
| 08:13.45 | Neffi | Like Walmart on steroids? |
| 08:14.10 | Neffi | I knew those places were dangerous. Even the car knew to get the fuck outta there. |
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| 08:25.57 | karl_w_w | "In commerce, a hypermarket is a superstore combining a supermarket and a department store. The result is an expansive retail facility carrying a wide range of products under one roof, including full groceries lines and general merchandise. In theory, hypermarkets allow customers to satisfy all their routine shopping needs in one trip." google iz hard |
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| 08:41.04 | Sintacks | graphics card was at 80C when doing Algalon earlier. turned fan up to 75% and it dropped. forgot to turn auto speed back on. was down to 40C while idle. turn fan back on auto (drops for 35%) and graphics are up to 49C after less than 60 seconds |
| 08:48.43 | znf | has a passively cooled card |
| 08:48.51 | znf | don't need to worry about fans :-/ |
| 08:49.23 | zenzio | I have no idea what my GPU temperature or fan speed is. If it runs without driving me nuts and without giving me visual artifacts, I'm content |
| 08:50.44 | znf | "driving me nuts" is why I picked a fanless card |
| 08:50.58 | znf | sure, it cost me twice as the same card with a fan >_< |
| 08:53.54 | karl_w_w | might have been cheaper and better in the long run to get water cooling |
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| 08:55.36 | zenzio | generally my videocards seem to spin down the fan when it's not under load so they don't annoy me, and when they're under load the game sound exceeds the fan sound anyway |
| 08:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | how huge is your video card to be passively cooled znf |
| 08:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | and/or how old |
| 08:57.50 | Mr_Rabies | compared to the date it was introduced |
| 08:57.51 | nevcairiel | fanless cards only work if your case already has a good ventilation, building a completely fanless gaming system is really complicated, if not even impossible |
| 08:57.53 | znf | Mr_Rabies, it's an oldish ATI 5750 |
| 08:58.06 | znf | not that big, honestly |
| 08:58.30 | Mr_Rabies | i'd never trust anything passively cooled from AMD |
| 08:58.31 | nevcairiel | the new shit are cases with sound damping and good internal ventilation, and of course gpu coolers are getting more quiet as well, i hardly hear my system at full load |
| 08:58.44 | Mr_Rabies | unless of course, i wanted to make bbq ribs on my heatsink |
| 08:58.47 | znf | Mr_Rabies, well, nVidia doesn't really do "decent" cards passively cooled, so you're out of options |
| 08:59.02 | nevcairiel | there are plenty of actively cooled cards which are whisper quiet |
| 08:59.15 | Mr_Rabies | the loudest thing in my case is my PSU at times |
| 08:59.17 | Mr_Rabies | not the fan |
| 08:59.19 | Mr_Rabies | the PSU itself |
| 08:59.31 | nevcairiel | sounds like a bad psu |
| 08:59.42 | Mr_Rabies | apparently most psus are filled with adhesive that keeps components from making sound as they rattle around |
| 08:59.44 | Mr_Rabies | this one is not |
| 08:59.44 | znf | Most of their passive cooled cards are 64bit, which I wouldn't put even in an office-work oriented PC, I'd rather use the internal GPU than that |
| 08:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | but it's got good specs, good voltage, etc |
| 09:00.08 | Mr_Rabies | just, they make this wild rattling sound in certain situations |
| 09:00.14 | Mr_Rabies | like, the sky in minecraft makes it go nuts |
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| 09:01.26 | znf | I had to change my PSU when I changed my case. I bought a case with a bottom-mounted PSU, and my old one didn't have long enough cables :D |
| 09:02.07 | Mr_Rabies | mine's modular... |
| 09:02.09 | Mr_Rabies | in theory, at least |
| 09:02.10 | znf | But the loudest thing in my PC now is the CPU fan, which is the stock Intel cooler |
| 09:02.24 | Mr_Rabies | i ended up not using any of the modular cables because the ones that were hardwired were more than i needed |
| 09:04.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817379007 |
| 09:06.00 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of the reviews mention the noise |
| 09:06.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's wild, but apparently it's better for cooling, etc, to not have all that adhesive keeping the components quiet |
| 09:06.41 | Mr_Rabies | it was really, really cheap for the specs at the time i got it |
| 09:06.48 | Mr_Rabies | (probably because of the noise) |
| 09:07.23 | Mr_Rabies | yeesh, it was actually $150....i remember it being way cheaper O_o |
| 09:07.39 | znf | I tried to justify such a "powerful" PSU. |
| 09:07.42 | Mr_Rabies | maybe there was a rebate of some sort that doesn't show up on the invoice |
| 09:07.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, honestly, i don't need this much power on it at all |
| 09:08.12 | znf | I couldn't find any reason to buy a more powerful than 550W, and I only bought 550W because the same model, but 450W was just by $10 cheaper or something like that |
| 09:08.12 | Mr_Rabies | my system ends up using about 300-400 watts at load with the card i have in it |
| 09:08.26 | zenzio | for some unplanned reason, my computer is very Corsair these days... tower, PSU, RAM, SSDs |
| 09:08.27 | Mr_Rabies | according to the UPS i have it connected to, at least |
| 09:08.34 | Mr_Rabies | including the monitor... i think |
| 09:08.43 | znf | My previous PSU was a 350W one, and did a fine job of keeping everything up |
| 09:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | corsair makes good (and good looking) components |
| 09:09.01 | Mr_Rabies | you pay a little for the name usually, but they're nice |
| 09:09.07 | znf | Even though I have an old CPU with a high TDP |
| 09:09.13 | zenzio | that's my experience |
| 09:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad to hear people echo my experiences |
| 09:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | i did computer repair pretty much full time for 3 years and i really feel like a chump when i end up being wrong on stuff like that |
| 09:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | because it was the kind of stuff i told customers |
| 09:10.12 | zenzio | hehe |
| 09:10.15 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't happen often, but it's embarassing when i'm wrong about something |
| 09:10.25 | zenzio | I know the feeling ;) |
| 09:10.59 | Mr_Rabies | my goal when working there was to provide as much of a different, improved experience from geek squad AND the shady local computer shops as possible |
| 09:11.14 | znf | I remember people coming in with shitty PSUs. You could usually tell how good (or expensive) a PSU is, based solely on it's weight :P |
| 09:11.30 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, most of the shady shops in the office used PSUS at wholesale price of <$10 |
| 09:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 09:11.38 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, most of the shady shops in the town* used PSUS at wholesale price of <$10 |
| 09:11.44 | Mr_Rabies | in town, gah |
| 09:12.02 | Mr_Rabies | we used antec 350 watt ones, generally, baseline |
| 09:12.17 | zenzio | I've become a fan of rubber-duck debugging... because it never fails that you realise your error when you're explaining your problem to coworkers |
| 09:12.28 | Mr_Rabies | we tried switching to some other brand at one point and had too many fail before they even left the shop |
| 09:12.36 | Mr_Rabies | i forget which brand at this point |
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| 09:12.57 | Mr_Rabies | rubber duck debugging, zenzio? |
| 09:13.12 | zenzio | basically talking to yourself as if it was another person. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging |
| 09:13.23 | Mr_Rabies | (man what are the chances of two people whose nicknames begin with zenz-" |
| 09:13.25 | Mr_Rabies | ) |
| 09:13.32 | Mr_Rabies | oh man, this sangria's kicking my ass just a bit |
| 09:13.41 | zenzio | Mr_Rabies: they're both me; zenzelezz at home, zenzio at work |
| 09:13.54 | Mr_Rabies | ohh, man, i thought you were two different people this whole time, lol |
| 09:13.58 | zenzio | :) |
| 09:14.23 | Mr_Rabies | which is hilarious considering the context of rubber duck debugging |
| 09:14.29 | zenzio | zenzio is typically my alternate nick. I prefer zenzelezz, but that looks horrible with a capital Z, so in games I use Zenzio |
| 09:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | i've heard of that, but didn't realize it was called that |
| 09:14.54 | zenzio | I'm sure it has a hundred names |
| 09:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not very well versed in the actual act of creating software, etc |
| 09:15.27 | Mr_Rabies | using it to its fullest, and hardware, i've got |
| 09:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | i can't think like a coder |
| 09:15.50 | Mr_Rabies | which is weird, because i'm good at creating things |
| 09:15.55 | zenzio | sadly many coders also aren't well versed in the act of creating software :( |
| 09:16.10 | Mr_Rabies | but it hits that weird point where it combines mathematical concepts and creation |
| 09:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | that not much else in this world hits |
| 09:16.32 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm just....really bad at thinking mathematically |
| 09:16.50 | zenzio | personally I do all right (I choose to believe), but when it comes to advanced concepts (like math), I struggle |
| 09:17.13 | zenzio | dropped out of math after 11th grade cause the math teacher that year was so uninspiring I just couldn't bother |
| 09:17.18 | zenzio | and I actually used to like math before that |
| 09:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | also so many computer classes in schools require so many math classes as prerequsites that it's kind of killed my ability to learn :| |
| 09:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm generally good at self-teaching a lot of concepts, but for some i really need the structure of a traditional class |
| 09:18.52 | zenzio | seems hit or miss for me; some things I can learn just fine, others I need help with |
| 09:19.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'm fine with stuff that i can physically see and dissect mentally, but i just can't do that with conceptual stuff like math and coding |
| 09:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | the closest thing to coding i can do is mirc scripting and a little basic/batch scripting |
| 09:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | which so barely count that i shouldn't even mention them anymore honestly |
| 09:21.17 | zenzio | if you wanted to move on, that would be a reasonable start. I started with Visual Basic and mIRC scripts, then gradually learned new things |
| 09:21.26 | Mr_Rabies | they've been irrelevant for years |
| 09:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | i used to edit old qbasic programs back when i was a kid |
| 09:21.43 | znf | I think most VB stuff can be applied to .NET, can't it? |
| 09:22.01 | Mr_Rabies | not vbasic, but qbasic and basic |
| 09:22.12 | zenzio | VB.NET certainly, not sure about VB6 (which somehow still seems to be in use) |
| 09:22.27 | Mr_Rabies | vbasic is a lot of WYSIWYG type stuff when you're starting out, isn't it? |
| 09:22.50 | Mr_Rabies | build it as a UI and have the program essentially code itself if it's simple enough |
| 09:22.50 | zenzio | sort of |
| 09:23.06 | Mr_Rabies | (or vbasic code it for you) |
| 09:23.24 | zenzio | I was surprised to find that C#/.NET (I never know where to draw the line) was reasonably easy to get started with, but I don't know how it would be without some other experience |
| 09:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | i took a java class once and dropped it pretty quickly |
| 09:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | some crap with BlueJ and whatnot |
| 09:24.52 | zenzio | we had Java one year in computer class. Was very basic, since most people had never touched coding before, but I found it... rather unsatisfying |
| 09:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | the concepts were the problem, not necessarily java, i think |
| 09:24.59 | znf | I picked up basics of C# easily, but I have some experience with other scripting/programming languages |
| 09:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | i couldn't understand defining objects and then using them and crap |
| 09:25.13 | zenzio | to me it felt like Java was a poor choice, at least given the time to get into any useful subjects |
| 09:25.53 | Mr_Rabies | but mirc scripting reads like english to me |
| 09:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | even complicated scripts that do stuff i could never do myself, i can get the gist of pretty easily |
| 09:26.59 | Mr_Rabies | i have one that sends prowl push notifications to my phone via growl, through their servers, through mirc |
| 09:28.02 | zenzio | I did (and to some degree still do) struggle a bit with remembering how objects are referenced/passed around in C#. I keep thinking in C++ ways, wondering "why are you changing values on a copied parameter?". Probably asked my coworkers three times before it started to sink in |
| 09:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | it starts dealing with tokens and sockets which are nearing the wild country of mirc scripting for me, but i get the main concepts of the whole thing |
| 09:28.28 | Mr_Rabies | friend of mine has an irc bot he wrote in ruby and it breaks my brain trying to understand ANYTHING in it |
| 09:28.46 | zenzio | hehe |
| 09:29.55 | zenzio | back in highschool everyone wanted to make their own super awesome IRC bots, but no-one knew how to. The only thing we knew was "eggdrop" was *the* bot, but I was the only one who got it running |
| 09:30.09 | Mr_Rabies | you can create new commands for the bot via a web UI and stuff |
| 09:30.12 | zenzio | and that was as far as I got. Couldn't make it do anything at all. Tcl messed so bad with my mind |
| 09:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | it's awesome |
| 09:30.30 | Mr_Rabies | oh man, i remember trying to figure out that stuff back in the day |
| 09:30.39 | Mr_Rabies | i think i got something working at one point in a halfassed way |
| 09:30.54 | Neffi | http://imgur.com/gallery/Ig9BWFG =) |
| 09:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | and then got it k-lined for having a spam fight with another instance of itself in a public channel |
| 09:31.27 | zenzio | I remember when people started setting up lua bots in here; how everyone was testing their rigidness - like not making them spam each other |
| 09:31.43 | zenzio | Neffi: lol |
| 09:31.54 | Mr_Rabies | back when face.com existed it even had a facial recognition tool in it |
| 09:31.58 | Mr_Rabies | a hell of a bot |
| 09:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | a togglable markov chain chat module |
| 09:32.28 | Mr_Rabies | which i fed top gear and team fortress 2 erotic fanfiction |
| 09:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | turns out there's top gear erotic fanfiction |
| 09:32.54 | zenzio | sadly I am not surprised |
| 09:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | shouldn't surprise me, but it does |
| 09:34.17 | Mr_Rabies | a bot fed exclusively terrible porn fiction is a salty bot indeed |
| 09:34.45 | zenzio | hehe |
| 09:41.38 | Neffi | I used to have a useful addon for bag-related functions. It provided keybinds to split a stack in half, pop one item off the top of a stack, merge unsorted items into stacks, etc. Anyone know what that is? |
| 09:42.09 | Neffi | It was a WoWAce addon back during the days of the Ace updater |
| 09:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 09:51.40 | Mr_Rabies | i remember that, too |
| 09:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure there's a contemporary option that does the same thing if that's dead |
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| 09:53.05 | Neffi | Fence |
| 09:53.11 | Neffi | And I can't find much of anything |
| 09:53.33 | Neffi | Last updated 3.3. I really doubt it still works as its does a lot of hooking. |
| 09:55.45 | Neffi | I'll be making one later today or tomorrow. Can you think of any other features such an addon should have? |
| 09:56.19 | Neffi | Pop 1 item off the stack. Split stack in half. Combine partial stacks. Click then scroll mousewheel to choose how many to pop off stack. |
| 09:56.47 | Neffi | I want to add a bunch of handy click-driven behaviors to the bag, and they'll all be configurable as to which binding they occupy |
| 09:58.45 | Neffi | Might also add things like autosell, autorepair, highlight best-selling quest rewards, and general item-based improvements. Drop any ideas here in the next hour or so before I go to bed. |
| 10:42.33 | karl_w_w | what's that term including the word "gloves" which means someone/something is being treated very carefully? |
| 10:42.46 | karl_w_w | brain fail |
| 10:43.14 | Kalroth | kid gloves? |
| 10:43.22 | Kalroth | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/handle_with_kid_gloves |
| 10:43.29 | Humbedooh | what Kalroth said |
| 10:43.45 | karl_w_w | thanks sexy |
| 10:43.58 | Kalroth | like how we handle Fisker! |
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| 10:45.24 | karl_w_w | exactly! |
| 10:53.00 | zenzio | I never understand why people re-post other people's Youtube videos on Youtube |
| 10:55.09 | Kalroth | to get the views of course |
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| 11:11.31 | karl_w_w | people are stupid zenzio |
| 11:11.38 | zenzio | no wai |
| 11:38.22 | Neffi | Cost to reset talents or glyphs: 68g. Cost to clear them with Dust: 2g 70s. |
| 11:38.24 | Neffi | Why this? |
| 11:39.13 | Neffi | Sorry, cost is 3g even. |
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| 11:47.52 | kullervo | Neffi: because the trainer is a greedy bastard |
| 11:48.15 | Neffi | I'm surprised this oversight lasted past beta |
| 11:48.22 | Neffi | Do the developers never respec? |
| 11:48.39 | Neffi | Is this implying that they do not test out alternate specs on their own characters? |
| 11:49.24 | Neffi | Somewhere, somebody on the team has had to notice this. If not, that's probably not a good thing. If so, they intentionally ignored an obvious oversight with an easy fix they can probably apply from home. |
| 11:49.30 | kullervo | or they just always used the dust like everyone else |
| 11:49.39 | kullervo | why the huge rant? Go post about it on the forums |
| 11:49.49 | Neffi | huge rant? |
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| 11:54.17 | karl_w_w | because the 68g resets your spec as well? |
| 11:54.51 | smcn | there's a "just reset talents" option there too still |
| 11:54.58 | smcn | i think it's just an oversight that it's there at all |
| 11:59.24 | Arrowmaster | well fuck i woke up to a dead battery in my phone |
| 12:00.06 | Arrowmaster | i guess its a good thing i got my 10000mA portable recharger in the mail yesterday |
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| 13:39.03 | zenzio | so Wargaming.net saves Gas Powered Games. Wargaming has really hit it big with WoT |
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| 14:19.39 | zenzio | "Weird, what's with this question being asked each year late in October?" -- "It's a centuries-old tradition. That's how Halloween was started, you know. Santa asked the thanksgiving turkey, "Should I use mbstring.func_overload?". The rest is history." |
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| 14:37.14 | karl_w_w | wtf im tired and confused |
| 14:37.26 | karl_w_w | is premises singular? |
| 14:37.54 | zenzio | a premise, many premises |
| 14:37.58 | zenzio | I think |
| 14:38.26 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 14:39.07 | karl_w_w | but im sure premises gets used as a singular "you aren't allowed to bring alcohol on the premises" rings true |
| 14:40.00 | karl_w_w | and when it's plural it's pronounced differently, like ramesses |
| 14:42.42 | zenzio | http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/29270/is-premises-always-plural |
| 14:46.48 | karl_w_w | strange |
| 14:47.04 | zenzio | a lot of things about the English language are strange |
| 14:47.37 | karl_w_w | like warble! |
| 14:48.11 | karl_w_w | and everything ever written by lewis carroll! |
| 14:49.19 | Humbedooh | warbles karl_w_w's warble |
| 14:52.28 | karl_w_w | you wish |
| 14:56.28 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9o6DH_uzE :) |
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| 15:08.00 | alestane | Premises as used to describe a location is always used in the plural in my experience. |
| 15:08.13 | alestane | A premise as the basis of an argument is often singular. |
| 15:11.10 | Lopeppeppy | They found a burglar on the premises - that implies one location, nu? |
| 15:11.22 | Lopeppeppy | Moose is both singular and plural. But she's a cat, we're used to that. |
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| 15:26.54 | karl_w_w | sha of anger kill, topped dps and the only person who did the majority of their damage to something other than sha of anger |
| 15:27.01 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:03.16 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Lunch, already? |
| 16:06.39 | Fisker | yep |
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| 16:14.50 | karl_w_w | smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast |
| 16:15.43 | haste | ACE! |
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| 16:16.09 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 16:16.11 | Fisker | not so hey g0urra |
| 16:16.15 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 16:16.29 | haste | do you know what day it is today? |
| 16:17.04 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:17.07 | Fisker | it's friday |
| 16:17.22 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYfnWRp1Q0 |
| 16:17.45 | haste | :# |
| 16:22.19 | Fisker | why do you :# haste ? |
| 16:22.33 | haste | I'm bandaided |
| 16:24.42 | karl_w_w | I once liveaided a guy |
| 16:27.44 | haste | I once went out after getting home on friday |
| 16:28.18 | Fisker | what madness is that haste ? |
| 16:28.28 | haste | I... don't know |
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| 16:34.41 | Fisker | i feel sick haste |
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| 16:45.27 | Unkle | Station. |
| 16:49.01 | Lopeppeppy | You scared alestane away. |
| 16:49.07 | Unkle | RAWR |
| 16:50.20 | Unkle | I <3 this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/dangerousape/8475251879/in/photostream |
| 16:52.17 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:56.08 | pompy | kd3, Arrowmaster: if you didnt see already http://store.steampowered.com/sale/linux_release/ |
| 17:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. Unkle. Write this shit down. I just had a sheeple say, "I don't know about this stuff, I defer to your judgement." |
| 17:05.44 | Unkle | Red letter day! |
| 17:07.11 | Fisker | old pompy |
| 17:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | For serious, and she meant it too (advising her that what she wanted to do would make her site look like ass when viewed on a mobile phone) |
| 17:11.09 | Fisker | can't defer to a woman's judgement |
| 17:11.09 | Fisker | pls |
| 17:11.13 | Fisker | runs |
| 17:11.31 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, you look like ass every time you open your mouth. |
| 17:11.48 | Fisker | can't hear you |
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| 17:19.35 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Feels good when someone finally says "You know, you do know what you're talking about," doesn't it? |
| 17:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | But we NEEEEEEED red text! |
| 17:28.13 | karl_w_w | looks like steam for linux has built up a real head of steam on linux! |
| 17:28.14 | foxlit | So I'm slowly implementing text serialization for OPie rings, with the intention of letting you easily share things that seem to work for you by essentially copy/pasting something to/from a forum. |
| 17:29.10 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.53 | karl_w_w | they're long. |
| 17:30.37 | karl_w_w | to the point of "why not just make them human-readable" |
| 17:31.00 | karl_w_w | but obviously I don't know how much stuffs they hold |
| 17:32.04 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.52 | foxlit | human-readable things are annoying to parse, and I don't really want to loadstring() things in. |
| 17:34.27 | foxlit | this also has the added advantage of not caring if you mess up whitespace, and no punctuation that could eventually get messed up by software. |
| 17:43.27 | karl_w_w | wow a spell dps ring with hit and mastery on it |
| 17:43.39 | karl_w_w | that's going to be popular! |
| 17:43.45 | karl_w_w | </sarcasm> |
| 17:50.11 | Unkle | foxlit: Your format is easier on the eyes that the things used by Power Auras or Weak Auras. |
| 17:51.18 | karl_w_w | maybe put a vertical bar at either end |
| 17:51.37 | karl_w_w | just so people know they got all of it |
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| 17:52.45 | karl_w_w | then complain to blizzard there there's no function called CopyTextToClipboard(string) |
| 17:52.54 | Unkle | If you're going to delimit the end with something, don't use anything that a forum might use an HTML code for. |
| 17:53.25 | Unkle | i.e, nothing represented by :& |
| 17:54.01 | karl_w_w | represents Unkle with matches and wood glue |
| 17:55.08 | karl_w_w | I need to pee and sleep, hopefully in that order |
| 17:55.15 | karl_w_w | farewell strange people! |
| 17:56.19 | karl_w_w | oh son of a bitch i forgot to do holiday boss and reset was an hour ago |
| 17:56.38 | karl_w_w | grumbles into the distance |
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| 18:28.26 | foxlit | karl_w_w: Unkle: sorry, dodged out earlier. Probably a dot at the end would be good. |
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| 19:29.05 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/ZquwGYJ.jpg |
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| 20:05.04 | Lopeppeppy | Un-kle? I can please have bail moneys? Someone is about to die messily for peeing in my cheerios and trying to get me in trouble with my boss... |
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| 20:07.25 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: Please tell me that's out of a movie or something |
| 20:07.32 | alestane | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/06/07 ...there's something about the phrase "...protect Aiur from the incalculable moisture of the Zerg." |
| 20:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | No, TC. Some jerk just rewote some of my docs as pretty activated powerpoints and is trying to score brownie points for how streamlined they now are. |
| 20:08.12 | Lopeppeppy | He has to die. I mean.... Powerpoint? |
| 20:08.30 | TC-work | Ah so not literal, that's what i was wondering |
| 20:08.43 | TC-work | and being disturbed about |
| 20:09.20 | Lopeppeppy | "Never do that for which you do not have sufficient bail money." So if Unkle can't lend me the bail money, I can't do it. I merely wish I could. |
| 20:09.26 | Lopeppeppy | It's a safety net for my temper. |
| 20:09.34 | TC-work | How much is bail? |
| 20:09.44 | Lopeppeppy | Premediated murder? I'd say at least 50K. |
| 20:10.04 | TC-work | Dunno, you could be a flight risk |
| 20:10.17 | Lopeppeppy | I think I am - I know people in Canada, eh. |
| 20:13.03 | TC-work | Except that Canada has an extradition treaty with the US. |
| 20:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Gotta wrestle a moose first. |
| 20:13.17 | TC-work | and Cairenn could only hide you for so long |
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| 20:14.19 | TC-work | Screw that, you would need to wrestle a northern canuck |
| 20:14.34 | Lopeppeppy | She'd never hide me! ...but maybe her cat(s) would... |
| 20:14.50 | Cairenn | No, she just needs to make sure that she commits the murder in a state that has the death penalty. We won't extradite to anywhere that has the death penalty. |
| 20:15.03 | Lopeppeppy | Ooooh! Canadian Bacon Loophole! |
| 20:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | (as in, saving my bacon) |
| 20:15.28 | TC-work | Hmm....I would pay to see Cairenn's cat(s) hide you from Cairenn. |
| 20:15.58 | Cairenn | Heheheh |
| 20:16.27 | Kraps | wow look at the disc priest changes |
| 20:25.02 | haste | sucks to be you Fisker |
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| 20:35.32 | Fisker | how so haste ? |
| 20:36.28 | haste | you feeling sick |
| 20:36.32 | Fisker | oh |
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| 20:46.51 | Stanzilla | Kraps: I like them |
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| 21:14.52 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/cqwcAn5.jpg does that look about where the doors are in dalaran |
| 21:16.35 | Semlar | i think i've figured out a way to get the entrances to buildings |
| 21:18.32 | Semlar | neffi! |
| 21:18.39 | Neffi | Semlar |
| 21:20.07 | Semlar | doors! |
| 21:20.25 | Torhal|work | plays Riders on the Storm for Semlar. |
| 21:20.44 | Semlar | not those doors |
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| 21:26.19 | Amarande | Heh, Jim Morrison would have had to redo some of his songs these days, I think |
| 21:26.29 | Amarande | For one, these days, when you're strange, EVERYONE remembers your name ... heh |
| 21:34.05 | Neffi | >_> |
| 21:34.23 | Neffi | Jim Morrison either would not have been popular, or would have made very different music, growing up in today's world |
| 21:41.46 | Semlar | i need to figure out how to calculate how close to the ground these doors are |
| 21:42.15 | Semlar | since ground level isn't constant |
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| 21:49.44 | bleeter | Linux TF2 Event on now! http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamlug/events/1299555816235392565 |
| 21:50.36 | bleeter | so many penguins http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=127399131 |
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| 22:19.46 | mikma | semlar: take a tapemeasure and go go go |
| 22:20.33 | Semlar | there might be a simpler way to do it |
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| 22:26.30 | TC-work | That conversation is already too far down the wrong path |
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| 22:51.41 | smcn | i hate centurylink |
| 22:53.01 | smcn | can we let google take over the world yet |
| 22:53.04 | smcn | i want to be in the future |
| 22:54.39 | TC-work | you are |
| 22:54.43 | TC-work | since you said that |
| 22:55.10 | smcn | i mean The Future(tm) brought to you by Google |
| 22:55.29 | smcn | self-driving cars and 1Gbps internet in every home |
| 22:57.31 | smcn | well it's been about 10 minutes i think i'm due for another disconnect |
| 23:01.49 | foxlit | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/destination-pandaria/faction-stories/red-blossoms/1 << the short fiction stuff is surprisingly good |
| 23:03.02 | Ackis | why does it say that there's an upgrade available for my SC2 account? is it heart of the swarm? |
| 23:03.13 | foxlit | probably |
| 23:03.50 | Stanzilla | Ackis: you never accepted my skype request |
| 23:03.57 | Stanzilla | I take that as a hostile action |
| 23:04.00 | Stanzilla | and will now hate you |
| 23:05.12 | TC-work | anyone know where the kde systemsettings config file is saved? |
| 23:05.28 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I hardly use skype, accepted now |
| 23:05.52 | Stanzilla | <3 |
| 23:06.09 | Fisker | why haven't skype requested me Stanzilla ? |
| 23:06.10 | Fisker | also Ackis |
| 23:06.13 | Fisker | ALSO |
| 23:06.18 | bleeter | the only reason one should use skype is to help us debug the pidgin-skype foo ;) |
| 23:06.18 | Fisker | windows live messenger is being retired |
| 23:06.25 | Fisker | so you're going to use it a lot more in the future |
| 23:06.46 | Stanzilla | Fisker: didn know you used it |
| 23:06.53 | Fisker | i'm forced to use it |
| 23:06.59 | Stanzilla | why |
| 23:07.01 | Ackis | Fisker: I don't know your skype and I use a third party program for chatting which doesn't have skype on it yet |
| 23:07.07 | Fisker | Microsoft is pointing a gun at my head |
| 23:07.17 | Fisker | you know my skype |
| 23:07.21 | Fisker | because you're on my messenger |
| 23:08.05 | Stanzilla | gimme then |
| 23:08.45 | Fisker | then i have to move my mouse |
| 23:08.52 | Fisker | or click ctrl+tab 4 times |
| 23:09.24 | bleeter | TC-work: going out on a limb, but $KDEHOME would be a good start. I don't use KDE so dunno. iirc the 'standard' folks are trying to move towards is $HOME/.config |
| 23:09.27 | Ackis | my steam hard drive has 40 gigs of 1.12 TB free on it only :( |
| 23:09.38 | Ackis | Fisker: I have no idea how the msn/skype thing worked |
| 23:09.46 | Fisker | it works like this |
| 23:09.53 | Fisker | in a few months you won't be able to use msn |
| 23:09.54 | Fisker | bam |
| 23:09.58 | Fisker | and then you have to use skype |
| 23:10.16 | Fisker | and you'll just merge your skype account(if you have one) with your microsoft account |
| 23:10.23 | TC-work | bleeter: there are a ton of files in .kde/shared/config |
| 23:10.30 | TC-work | just trying to narrow it down |
| 23:11.00 | TC-work | bleeter: the current issue is i want to be able to remotely disable the stupid 'slow keys' option |
| 23:11.33 | bleeter | run a script to watch for file changes in that dir and then change the settings via UI? |
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| 23:13.57 | Ackis | Fisker: apparently I already merged it |
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| 23:16.44 | smcn | anyone know the model name for hozen off the top of their head? |
| 23:17.22 | Semlar|Laptop | you could get the display id off of wowhead |
| 23:18.02 | Fisker | the worst thing i can't even do (bah)(}) anymore Ackis |
| 23:18.19 | Fisker | oh god |
| 23:18.22 | smcn | Semlar howso? i looked up a specific hozen mob but i can't see anything immediately obvious |
| 23:18.24 | Fisker | i think it's done downloading Stanzilla |
| 23:18.31 | Fisker | oh i guess not |
| 23:18.41 | Semlar|Laptop | if you look at the view in 3d button |
| 23:19.22 | Semlar|Laptop | 39515 is the display id for npc 57672 |
| 23:19.38 | Semlar|Laptop | then in game you can do like model:SetDisplayInfo(39515) |
| 23:20.04 | Semlar|Laptop | if you need the path you can then do model:GetModelPath() i think it's called |
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| 23:20.15 | Semlar|Laptop | something along those lines |
| 23:21.15 | Fisker | i'm gonna speculate Stanzilla |
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| 23:21.45 | smcn | thanks i'll give it a shot, but where are you seeing the display id on wowhead? in chrome when i hover over the button there's no tooltip and the status bar just says javascript:; |
| 23:22.04 | Semlar|Laptop | smcn: depending on your browser you can right click on the button and go to inspect element |
| 23:22.11 | Semlar|Laptop | it's in the source |
| 23:22.17 | smcn | okay thanks |
| 23:22.30 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I'm gonna speculatius |
| 23:22.36 | Fisker | ok |
| 23:22.46 | Semlar|Laptop | ModelViewer.show({ type: 1, typeId: 57672, displayId: 39515 }) |
| 23:23.46 | Fisker | i think suddenly my hdd is going to hate me |
| 23:24.37 | Fisker | damn 1 million files |
| 23:25.53 | smcn | got it thanks again for help semlar |
| 23:26.41 | smcn | ...unfortunately i'm using it for weakauras and apparently that model comes in untextured. lol |
| 23:27.26 | Semlar|Laptop | yeah |
| 23:27.37 | Semlar|Laptop | you'll have to use the display id |
| 23:28.02 | Semlar|Laptop | which would probably mean directly modifying how the addon sets the model |
| 23:28.34 | bleeter | Fisker |
| 23:28.39 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 23:29.26 | smcn | yeah i tried just putting the displayid and it blew up, i suppose a huge untextured hozen with every single piece of armor a hozen could have will accomplish what i wanted which is for it to stand out |
| 23:30.07 | Semlar|Laptop | close enough |
| 23:30.37 | smcn | hmm but maybe as an exercise i will see if i can hack it up to accept an id, shouldn't be too difficult (famous last words) |
| 23:30.46 | bleeter | Fisker: will you be my valentine next yet? |
| 23:30.54 | Fisker | maybe |
| 23:31.02 | Semlar|Laptop | all you need to do is change SetModel to SetDisplayID |
| 23:31.06 | smcn | yeah |
| 23:31.15 | Semlar|Laptop | er |
| 23:31.17 | Semlar|Laptop | SetDisplayInfo |
| 23:31.42 | smcn | i mean on paper it's easy to do and i know what i'd have to do, but i tend to get lost easily looking at other people's code especially in large addons |
| 23:32.22 | Semlar|Laptop | i get lost in my own addons |
| 23:34.25 | Fisker | man Stanzilla |
| 23:34.38 | bleeter | Fisker: awesome |
| 23:34.39 | Fisker | just consider how big a bazillion revisions of the chrome code is |
| 23:34.41 | Fisker | and then |
| 23:34.45 | Fisker | file deduplication |
| 23:34.48 | Fisker | nom nom nom |
| 23:35.19 | Semlar|Laptop | http://i.imgur.com/0pZXTVj.gif have a thing |
| 23:35.35 | Fisker | jeallycious Stanzilla? |
| 23:37.11 | Fisker | oh man |
| 23:37.13 | Fisker | this is sloooooooooooooow |
| 23:41.18 | smcn | woot |
| 23:41.24 | smcn | it *was* that easy! |
| 23:42.38 | bleeter | fisker is easy |
| 23:42.43 | Fisker | ;( |
| 23:42.53 | Fisker | i thought the love you had for me was true |
| 23:43.22 | bleeter | just because you're easy doesn't mean my love isn't true |
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| 23:53.17 | Fisker | done deleting source Stanzilla |
| 23:53.20 | Fisker | now we have to download it |
| 23:53.31 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 23:53.32 | Stanzilla | insane |
| 23:53.49 | Fisker | took 1½ hour to delete |
| 23:53.49 | Fisker | :D |
